No Filler Music Podcast - Ep 06: Crosby, Stills & Nash - Self-Titled

Episode Date: February 25, 2018

In this week's episode we start by taking a brief look at the individual careers of David Crosby, Stephen Stills, & Graham Nash, and tell the story of how they met and the factors that eventually brou...ght them together as one of music history's greatest folk rock groups. For more info, check out the shown notes: https://www.nofillerpodcast.com/episode/ep-6-crosby-stills-nash-s-t Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:02 we knew that it was something very, very unique and very different. And you're listening to No Filler, the music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. In each episode, we'll dive into a little history of the artist and the album of choice with snippets from interviews and concerts as well as music from the album itself. My name is Travis, with me as always is my brother Quentin. And today we are talking about Crosby Stills Nash debut album that came out in 1969. That was Graham Nash that you first heard, essentially talking about what made them such a great vocal harmony group.
Starting point is 00:03:08 And the song you heard was, of course, the single off of that record, Judy Blue Eyes, that was track one. So, Q, you had not really delved into these guys too much before this episode. Is that correct? No, I didn't, really. I know, obviously, I know who Crosby Stills and Nash are. I know. I'm familiar with all their work, you know.
Starting point is 00:03:36 But no, I've never really given them a proper listen. So, and I really, actually, I didn't get a chance to listen to this album all the way through. So I'm pretty excited because I know some of the songs that you picked for this episode, I actually haven't even listened to yet. So I'm pretty excited. Well, I'm going to give credit where credits do, my friend. And I would have to say that I would not have, stumbled upon these guys on my own, I don't think, if it weren't for my father-in-law.
Starting point is 00:04:08 So they've got a pool table upstairs in their game room, and he always puts on music. And he put these guys on it. And I was like, hey, it's Simon and Garfunkel. That's what I said. I believe it's Graham Nash that sounds a lot like Simon, Paul Simon. It's really not just his voice that sounds the same. the music style like really sounds a lot like Simon and Garfunkel. A lot of the songs that I did hear. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities. But anyway, you know, he set me straight. He told me who this was. And then
Starting point is 00:04:38 I, of course, went and explored this album. And it's, dude, it's a, it is a great, great record. Yeah. Especially for a debut. Yeah. It doesn't get much better than this. And of course, you know, These guys, you would call this a super group, right? Because, and as we're going to get into a little bit further as we go along, these guys all came from established groups. I'll just do a quick rundown and then we'll get into our What You Heard's. So basically, Graham Nash was in the British pop group, The Hollies, since the early 60s.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Stephen Stills was in Bufferner. Springfield with Neil Young. They were in a group together before, before Crosby Stills Nation Young ever became a thing, obviously. And then David Crosby was in The Birds, as in, you know, tambourine man and turn, turn, turned, and eight miles high and all that good stuff. What about the other two, Buffalo Springfield and the Hollies?
Starting point is 00:05:48 Could you name off any, you know, mega singles from those bands? I mean, I've heard of Buffalo Springfield. The Buffalo Springs Field song that everybody knows. You almost hit Springsteen, dude. I know. The song that everybody knows is called for what it's worth. And that is a Stephen Stills song. He wrote the lyrics for that one and sang on that one.
Starting point is 00:06:09 The name the Hollies is kind of familiar. Yeah. But maybe they were, what were they like a one-hit wonder, maybe? I mean, they had success. They had success in the UK, in Britain. You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. But, no, you would recognize some of their stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:26 And I'm going to play a song from each of those bands. Okay. Later. Cool. But that's just quick, quick rundown. We'll get into the history a little bit further. So let's do our watch you heard picks. Yeah, so we're going to, we're moving along kind of fast today because Travis has a lot of, a lot of good music for us on this one.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Yeah, there's a lot of ground to cover and we're going to have a lot of music in this episode. I'm excited, man. Yeah, we're going to, yeah, this is going to be a great episode. I'm predicting greatness. No pressure, dude. No pressure. I know, right? How about you play yours first?
Starting point is 00:07:00 So, Q, what you heard? I've got a good friend up here that that's a huge Mark Lanigan fan. And when she listened to our side-track episode, she got back into this other guy. His name is Mark Pickerel. And he apparently was in the screaming trees. He was the drummer for the screaming trees, which, if you remember, Screaming Trees was Mark Lannigan's band from the mid, mid,
Starting point is 00:07:28 80s, late 90s. So you're taking us back to the 90s? No, actually. Oh? So Mark Pickerel has done a lot of stuff. He's played in a lot of bands from like the mid 80s to now. And I'm going to play a track from a solo album of his. It's this really cool, I don't know how to describe it.
Starting point is 00:07:51 It's like this maybe like, uh, alternative country, like grungy. I don't know. I really don't know how to describe it. It's like a cowboy twanging guitar, but, you know, like not in a cheesy way. You're just going to have to play it, man. Yeah, yeah, I guess so, huh? He started a band called Mark Pickerel and His Praying Hands.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And their second album is called Cody's Dream, and it came out in 2008. so not terribly long ago and the song I picked to play it's called Let Me Down Easy So I think he sounds a lot like Mark Lannigan As far as he's like that deeper vocal range You know what I mean That's kind of funny that they're in a group together
Starting point is 00:10:22 because maybe he was influenced by Lannigan as far as just the way he's saying you know But yeah, that's cool, cool track. I mean, it kind of reminds me of the music on that, on that TV show that I brought to the table last week. Yeah. By Graham Coxton. You know, and I'm going to just have to sing a little bit of this song, and hopefully you remember the name of this artist. His name escapes me at the moment.
Starting point is 00:10:51 But it kind of reminds me of, you know, the song, No. Yeah, Chris Isaacs. Thank you. God damn it, dude. I wish that I could have remembered his name so I didn't have to sing that. It reminds me of that a little bit. I don't know if it's... I mean, that was pretty spot on, dude. Thanks, man. I thought it was terrible. I don't know if crooner is the right word, but you know what I mean? Like, and like you're saying, it's like that old school... Like War Orbison or something?
Starting point is 00:11:27 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's got that, you know, it's got that country twang with the... guitar. Yeah, definitely some, definitely guitar twang going on. I love it. Yeah, I love it. The whole album's like that. It's, it's really good. Uh, so again, that was, uh, Cody's dream, which was, um, Mark Pickerel's second studio album, um, some of his solo work came out in 2008. So, Travis, what have you heard this week, brother? Okay, so I'm going to give a hat tip to one of my, um, coworkers um tyler if you're listening thanks a lot buddy so this a this is an artist uh she goes by well her name is natasha soltana she goes by tashth sultana and she did a tiny desk concert on npr last year and my coworker pulled up this video it was showing it to me and i was just blown
Starting point is 00:12:23 away um she had kind of made a name for herself uh she put out a um a video on youtube before her doing one of her songs, you know, and it went viral and had millions of views and all that good stuff. But she is a, you would call her a multi-instrumentalist, I guess. But, and you'll see, and you have to watch the video to really appreciate how amazing she is. So we'll put that in the show notes. But so this, my, my clip here is, is from that, that tiny desk concert. And so what you need to understand when you hear it is it's literally it's just her she is um she's playing a guitar she's a really great guitar player and she is looping over herself and she's got um she's got you know the the drum pads and stuff so she's making every sound that you're hearing obviously but it's all
Starting point is 00:13:18 done through loops and whatnot so you'll you'll hear her you'll hear kind of like a tap and that's just her um stepping on on and off her guitar pedals you know that the loop pedals and stuff so anyway This is kind of a lengthy clip because I wanted to play long enough to where she starts to sing because she's also a fantastic singer as well. But that's all you need to know. And I think it's also worth noting that she is only 22 years old. And this clip, she would have been 21. So she is phenomenal.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And I think she's coming to Dallas. She's on tour right now. I might have to go check her out because, yeah, I can't imagine how. amazing her shows must be. So anyway, this song is called Jungle, and this is a performance on NPR's Tiny Desk concert. Left us wanting more, dude. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:16:48 You know, I could have kept playing more of it, but it would have been like a five-minute, six-minute clip, you know what I mean? So, yeah, like I said, go check out her performance on Tiny Desk. Yeah, I was going to, I kind of wanted to, just in case there's anyone out there that doesn't know about Tiny Desk concert, Tiny Desk Concert is put together by NPR and it's if you watch a band play on Tiny Desk concert, it's always a broken down version of the band. Minimal instruments, basically like the least amount of instruments that they can bring
Starting point is 00:17:28 to still have an effective version of their song. It's always going to be slightly different than what you hear on their, albums for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the whole point of it. So yeah, yeah, I wonder that too. If it's really just her or if she tours with other musicians, that's really cool.
Starting point is 00:17:49 She probably does. But yeah, so here's one more little fact about her that's, I think, important. I'm pulling this from the Wikipedia page. But she apparently she was addicted to drugs when she was a teenager. And she developed a drug-induced psychics. When she was 17 and had to undergo several months of therapy to recover. And what she did after this was, now she's from Australia. She began busking on the streets of Melbourne.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Apparently busking is essentially, you know. Yeah, I know what busking is. Performing on the street for tips. Yeah, there's buskers all over the place in Seattle, especially Pike Place. Yeah, so that's. I mean, that's her backstory. I mean, that's, it's an incredible backstory if you think about it. You know, former drug addict playing on the streets, making a YouTube video and then playing
Starting point is 00:18:48 NPR a year later, you know what I mean? I think that's the best thing that's come out of YouTube is. Yeah. Musicians being able to share their music with the masses with nothing more than, you know, whatever they can afford to record it. Yeah. I mean, think about how many, not just musicians, but like comedians and, you know, just personalities that have come out of YouTube.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Yep. Like, good or bad, you know what I mean? Yeah. But, yeah, so that's that's that. Cool. On the playlist that we put out for February, I'll have the, I'll have the recording of that song from the album itself. How different is it from that?
Starting point is 00:19:31 Perform. It's pretty similar. Yeah. It's pretty similar. And then we'll put the, I'll put a link to the. NPR video on the show notes page for this episode. Okay, so let's get into the heart of the matter, Crosby stills and Nash. Let me ask you this real quick, Travis.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Do you always think of that Don Henley song anytime you say that phrase? Yes, I immediately, I immediately thought of that. Just right in your head you go, it's the heart of the matter. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Maybe we do, you know what we should do? We should make like a sound. board with a bunch of phrases from different songs that we can just play.
Starting point is 00:20:10 That's a good idea. I've always wanted that just in real life. Anytime somebody says something that's made famous in a song, I would just play. That way I don't have to sit there and sing it. Dude, are we going to have to do a Don Hanley episode now? Is that going to happen? Because that's such a good song? I mean, personally, that would never have made my list of albums to,
Starting point is 00:20:36 to cover. We're going to run out of albums soon enough, man. I don't know about that, man. All right. So, so like I said, and like the interview clip that I played in the intro, the introed into this episode,
Starting point is 00:20:51 Graham Nash was talking about how these guys came from the three different bands. What I wanted to do is play a clip from each of those bands, a song from each of those bands, that featured one of the three guys, on lead vocals. So it's important to note that really Stephen Stills of the three was the only
Starting point is 00:21:17 the only one that was really the lead vocalist, primarily the lead vocalist on the band that they came from. So Graham Nash and David Crosby sing, they certainly sang backup and harmony vocals on the two bands that they came from, but they often did not sing lead. The songs that are not.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I'm playing features them as the lead vocalist. Okay, cool. So what I wanted to do is, yeah, is play these three songs so that you can hear what these guys sound like independently, and then we'll play the first clip from Crosby's Tales and Nash so that you can hear kind of what happens when these three voices come together. So the first one we're going to play is from the Hollies. So this is Graham Nash, and this song is called To You My Love. It's often a 1964 album called In the Holly's style.
Starting point is 00:22:11 And you're going to hear the Beatles immediately, but that's just how everybody sounded back then. Basically, the Beatles had come and exploded, and every band in Britain wanted to essentially take what the Beatles had done and make it their own and find the same amount of success. So let's hear it. Again, this is called To You My Love, and it's got Graham Nash singing.
Starting point is 00:22:35 lead vocals. Okay, so that was Graham Nash singing for the Hollies. That was 1964. So let's play. Let's play. So the next one. So the next one, this is the birds, and this is a song that David Crosby wrote and sang on. He often didn't write.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Well, I take that back. He would contribute lyrics to here and there, but there's only a handful of songs that he actually wrote for the birds. And this is one of him, and he is singing on the song as well. It's very dark compared to other songs that you may know from the birds. This came out in 1967. It's on an album called Younger Than Yesterday And the song is called Everybody's Been Burned.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Everybody has been burned before. Everybody knows the pain Anyone in this place can tell you to your face Why you shouldn't try to love some I liked that a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:16 That was David Crosby. So, yeah, if you're familiar with the birds, David Crosby sings harmony on almost, you know, all of the birds songs up until when he leaves, obviously. But he had a lot of contributions to the fifth dimension, which is the album that featured eight miles high and some of those other more kind of, when they became a little bit more psychedelic, you know?
Starting point is 00:25:44 Yeah. Okay, so let's play the last clip here. This is from Buffalo Springfield. So this would be Stephen Stills on the vocals. And this song is called Pretty Girl Hawaii. And it came out in 1968 on the album last time around. Like the ghost of someone dear, she comes to hug me in. my sleep
Starting point is 00:26:16 still I need there's sincerely give her heart away for keys Pretty girl Why Why not love me
Starting point is 00:26:30 Pretty girl Why Pretty girl There she leaves me Twice as lonely As I was But yesterday That's like
Starting point is 00:26:50 Straight up The song That like The Playboy Of the of the 70s puts on, you know, in like a silk robe as he approaches a girl with like two martinis in hand. Yeah, you can almost see the Playboy bunnies kind of hopping around to that song in the background. I liked it, though.
Starting point is 00:27:11 I'm intrigued. Yeah. So, okay, so the point being, these guys are all great vocalists on their own, right? And they're all great songwriters on their own because they're all songs that they wrote as well. So, so here's a little, here's how those three dudes become Crosby Stills and Nash. So basically, here's my understanding of how it went down. So basically, there is this music festival that happens in 1967 called the Monterey Pop Festival. So Neil Young was in Buffalo Springfield with Stevenson.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Stills. And the two of them kind of butt heads on a few things and kind of wanted to go separate, to take the band or to take their music in separate directions. And there's actually a quote from Stephen Stills that's kind of funny. He says, I wanted to be in the Beatles. Neil wanted to be Bob Dylan as far as what they wanted to do with their music. So Neil Young leaves Buffalo Springfield. And Stephen Stills knew David Crosby.
Starting point is 00:28:22 they all kind of came from this this neighborhood in Los Angeles called Laurel Canyon it's kind of this it's got this this history of sort of being this this area where a lot of counterculture and music was happening in the 60s and 70s so there's a lot of bands that came out of that area Frank Zappa came out of there Jim Morrison of the doors came from there the birds Buffalo Springfield they started and formed in Laurel Canyon. Yeah, so that's similar to Greenwich Village in New York. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Exactly. So anyway, they already knew each other. So Stephen Stills asks David Crosby, hey, we're already booked for this festival, and it's happening soon. Can you step in and sing and take over Neil Young's spot on Buffalo Springfield? And he says, sure. So the birds were also performing the same festival. Wow.
Starting point is 00:29:22 David Crosby performs with Buffalo Springfield, and his bandmates, specifically the kind of the lead singer, the lead dude, weren't too happy about that. So that was kind of a tension spot, one of the tension spots between him and the other members of the birds, which kind of reminded me of we talked. I don't know if we talked about this or not when we did the Food Fighters episode, but David Grohl, Dave Grohl. David Grohl I've never heard his name like that And that could be his proper name Yeah
Starting point is 00:29:55 Whatever Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins They got into Sort of a heated argument over Dave going Stepping out and drumming for Queen to the Stones Yeah no we didn't get into that
Starting point is 00:30:07 But yeah that dude The Food Fighters almost split up over that They were very close to splitting up So anyway that's kind of reminded me of that And so that's one of the reasons Number two David Crosby has always been a very politically minded the way he approaches his music and during this particular
Starting point is 00:30:27 performance at the Monterey Music Festival in between their songs when he's playing with the birds he would go kind of on this rant about the Kennedy assassination specifically diving into conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination and his other baymates were like you know they're not down with that they don't want they don't want that to come out in their performances, you know what I mean? Especially during songs. Like, let's just, let's just play that. So that ultimately leads to Crosby leaving the birds.
Starting point is 00:30:59 And at this point, Buffalo Springfield had already split up. Stephen Stills and David Crosby are hanging out, kind of writing songs together. And in the meantime, Graham Nash is performing with the Hollies over in Britain. they come over to the U.S. to do some shows. And so Crosby and Stills go and watch the Holly perform. They see Graham Nash singing. And in comes Cass Elliott, Mama Cass of the Mamas and the Pappas. She's been friends with Stephen Stills and David Crosby.
Starting point is 00:31:38 She kind of suggests, hey, you know, do you guys need a harmony singer? sort of like planning to see it, I guess, for like, maybe you guys should bring Graham Nash into this. She then sort of introduces Graham Nash to David Crosby. The story is she brings him over to Crosby's house
Starting point is 00:31:59 and they get high together, basically. And Graham Nash is like all about about the American culture, basically. So he basically Graham Nash comes to America, comes to L.A., and pretty much
Starting point is 00:32:16 never wants to leave. What a story, man. Well, he was also having some friction with his bandmates in the Hollies. He didn't feel like he was getting his needs met creatively. And remember I talked about Bob Dylan covers? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:33 So the Hollies wanted to release a Dylan cover album. Oh, no thanks. I'm with him. Yeah, dude. And this is how they, and actually happened too. So in 1969, they released a
Starting point is 00:32:45 The Holly Sing Dylan record And it's basically them Doing like a big band Vegas fucking like swing Version of Bob Dylan songs Gross, dude Are you kidding me? Yeah, that should be illegal.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Yeah, Graham Nash wanted no part of it So he had already left. So anyway, they've all split from their bands Crosby and Stills are hanging out And here's, now this is kind of famous for not being, nobody really knows how it really went down. But the first time that the three of these guys sing together, actually, you know what? Before we do that, let's play the first clip. I kind of wanted to do that before I got into this whole history about I got kind of excited.
Starting point is 00:33:29 So we heard the three clips from the three guys singing independently of each other. Let's play Winnevere, which is, I think it's track three. I don't know if anybody really gives a shit about track track numbers, dude. You're right, dude. You're right. But either way. So let's play this song just to kind of,
Starting point is 00:33:49 so we can kind of hear what these guys are capable of. And then we'll continue on the history a little bit. Like you're like you. She'd walk down through the garden in the morning after it rained. Beacogogswark. End aimlessly underneath an orange tree And she'd see me to ground
Starting point is 00:35:39 Like yours, me lady Like at night When she thought That no one was watching at all The war She shall be free Down the slope to the heart So
Starting point is 00:37:15 So that's what happens with the three them harmonize. As Graham Nash had in that interview clip that I play in the very beginning, when their vocals blend, you know, it's a very unique sound. Probably one of the best vocal harmonies probably in music history. You know what I mean? Who else you got? You got Simon and Garfunkel.
Starting point is 00:37:39 You got Simon and Garfunkel. You got Lennon and McCarton. Yeah, yeah. I mean, these guys are up there. I've got an interview clip. Dan Rather did it. an interview in 2012, I believe, with the three of these guys. He interviewed them three separately and then together. So I have a clip from the Rather interview with David Crosby, sort of talking
Starting point is 00:38:00 about the same thing, where what makes the three of them so unique when their vocals come together. So let's play that clip. In music, as in almost every other field, it's very difficult to sustain a career anywhere near as long as you and the others have been able to sustain your careers. I can tell you why I think that is, whether it's Crosby-Sills & Nash with three writers or Crosby-South-Nash-Nash-Young with four writers. We had a wide palette, much wider palette to paint from than most bands would have. And all four of us can sing lead, all four of us can sing harmony, all four of us can play. And I think the songs are really the defining meat of the matter. Without songs that are about something and that make you feel something,
Starting point is 00:38:45 If I can't sit down and sing you a song and make you feel something, I don't think I really have a song. And I think that's been our strength. We've lasted 40 years. There has to be something, and it's certainly not our looks. Yeah. I didn't see that coming in there. Yeah. I mean, David Crosby, the older he got, he's a, let's just say he, oh, dude, that reminds me.
Starting point is 00:39:11 He's actually, he actually has a cameo on hook. He's one of the pirates. I know exactly which one he is, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah. He's one of the pirates. Yeah, he's got some prominent screen time. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Yeah. So anyway. Wow. So he has a very unique look. It's the mustache, dude. It's the mustache. Yeah, it's a mustache. So anyway, I like what he said about if I sit down and play your song and you don't feel something,
Starting point is 00:39:39 I don't have a song, right? That should be what every songwriter, you know, strives for. when they sit down and write a song, right? But when you hear coming from him, that that's their goal when they write songs. And then you listen to the music. I don't know about you, but I certainly feel something
Starting point is 00:39:56 when I listen to a Crosby Stills and Nash song. You know what I mean? I think there's something about the human voice when it harmonizes with other voices, you know what I mean? Yeah. There's something moving about that. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Yeah. So anyway, let's kind of go back into, I wanted to the reason I spaced out the history here is because the next song that I'm going to play is called you don't have to cry and this is the first song that the three of them sang together as far as like so David Crosby okay so the the story is the three of them are are in a house somewhere the particular house is up for debate apparently the three of them can't agree on whether or not they were in Mitchell's house or Mama Cass's house. But either way, they're in one of their two houses, and Stills and Crosby are singing, you don't have to cry, and Nash is there with them,
Starting point is 00:40:57 and he is sort of improvising the third harmony part to that song. And the story goes that within about 40 seconds, he had come up with that harmony, and the three of them had figured out, like this is this is what we're going to be doing for the next few decades you know because they knew immediately that like that their vocals had gelled so perfectly together that uh that they were going to be making music from then on so without further ado here is the song that they that they first sang together and um from this song came crosbie stills and nash
Starting point is 00:41:44 the morning when you're right think of me and how will you let me crying are you thinking of telephones and managers and where you've got to be at noon you are living a reality So I left years ago with quite nearly killed me. In the long, it will make you cry. You hold before your time. And the difference between me and you, I won't argue right or wrong, but I had time to cry. So one of the reasons I wanted to play this particular song,
Starting point is 00:43:13 I like the lyrics. So, you know, this is the 60s, right? and they are talking about, so I'm going to read some of the lyrics here. Are you thinking of telephones and managers and where you got to be at noon? You are living a reality I left years ago. It nearly killed me. Whoa. I like that.
Starting point is 00:43:32 In the long run, it will make you cry, make you crazy and old before your time. Wow. So yeah, they're talking about, you know. The daily grind. The daily grind. 95. Yeah, dude. And everybody who, who works for a living has had that thought across their mind. Like, what am I, you know, like, this is going to make me all before my time here.
Starting point is 00:43:56 You know what I mean? Yeah. And the hippie movement was kind of all about that, right? Like, counterculture. Rethinking, you know, the assumed course that you're supposed to take in life. You know what I mean? That's what the free love movement and all that was all about. So these guys were knee-deep in that movement.
Starting point is 00:44:13 and, and, uh, I'd say they were probably more waist deep, but that's just me. Oh, you know what? You're right, Q. They were way steep in the movement, especially Crosby and Nash. Let's go into the final pick, and this is probably my favorite track on the album. This song is, this song is killer. So it's got an interesting history, kind of like what I was saying, where artists were kind of collaborating a lot, it seemed like back then. So David Crosby and Steven Stills actually wrote this song with Paul Cantor. who was a founding member of Jefferson Airplane. Both bands actually have this song released on a record.
Starting point is 00:44:52 So both Crosby, Stills, and Nash and Jefferson Airplane did a version of the song. They both came out in 1969. But because of some weird thing with Paul Cantor and his record label or something or his manager, he couldn't get credit on the Crosby Steels and Nash album for co-writing the song. I don't know if that's important or not, but I thought that was kind of interesting. And by the way, the Jefferson Airplane version of the song, it's really interesting to hear the same song performed by two very, very successful groups from the same, like in the same year and how different,
Starting point is 00:45:29 the interpretation of the song is so different between the two, you know what I mean? And in my opinion, the Crozier Still's and Nash version is far superior, but that's just me. Maybe we'll put the other one in the show notes just so you can hear it. But anyway, basically this song is about the Vietnam War, which a lot of groups from the 60s were writing about Vietnam. Yeah, we had our side track on Creedon's Clearwater Revival, dude. That's what the album Willie and the Poor Boys was all about. The Buffalo Springs song, the one that...
Starting point is 00:46:00 You almost did it again. Almost said Springsteen. Yeah, you did. Yeah, so the song that Stephen Stills wrote for Buffalo Springfield for what it's worth, the one that everybody knows. That was also about Vietnam. So wooden ships in particular is about, basically it's like,
Starting point is 00:46:21 let's assume a nuclear holocaust has gone down. We are basically getting on these ships. I'll read some of the lyrics here. Let's play clip one first. How about that? Yeah, we got two clips. So yeah, let's just play it. Okay, so compared to the other two songs we played,
Starting point is 00:49:08 you're hearing an electric guitar, number one, in this song. You're hearing organ as well, which I really like. Hearing an organ, yeah, true, you're hearing an organ. Yeah, so something worth mentioning, aside from Crosby and Nash's, their own guitar parts that they contributed, every other instrument except for drums on this record is Stephen Stills in the studio.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Sort of like Dave Grohl's first album, right? that is Stephen stills on the organ the guitar and the bass I think these people should just maybe share a little bit of their talent with the rest of them yeah well dude yeah just like that
Starting point is 00:49:45 my what you heard Tash Sultan I can play like 10 instruments anyway so this is the first this is the opening lyric and I just I love that the way that it's sung and I love the lyric it says if you smile at me I will understand because that is something everyone does in the
Starting point is 00:50:02 same language. So, you know, I like that sentiment. Yeah, that's, that's cool. And then the next, so Stephen Stills and David Crosby are kind of switching back and forth with the singing here. The next lyrics is, I can see by your coat, my friend, you're from the other side. There's just one thing I've got to know. Can you tell me please who won?
Starting point is 00:50:24 So like, who won this war? Nobody didn't. Basically, this is after, so this is an imagining of like a nuclear holoca, cost just happened. These are the survivors. Yeah. Really cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:36 And they're kind of going through the ravaged land. Both sides are still kind of existing together now after the fallout. You know what I mean? Ultimately, they get on these ships and head out. So yeah, so play the next clip. And then the reason I wanted to kind of do two clips here, the next clip is really going to highlight Stephen Stills as a guitar player. There's a really kind of jazzy.
Starting point is 00:51:01 bluesy guitar solo that happens and so anyway let's hear the next clip the clips says we want you die all we can do is it for your anguish cries stir
Starting point is 00:51:26 as all human feelings die we are league so yeah he's got some really great tone on his guitar yeah for sure. Yeah, so, you know, an incredible song, right? The lyrics that you hear in the second clip are pretty frigging dark.
Starting point is 00:52:59 I'm going to read them to you. Horror grips us as we watch you die. That sounds like a heavy metal song. All we can do is echo your anguished cries. Stare as all human feelings die. We are leaving. You don't need us. So earlier in the song, there's a,
Starting point is 00:53:21 a song, there's a lyric about silver people on the shoreline, let us be. So they're in their ship, they're leaving land. The silver people on the shoreline, according to David Crosby, who wrote the lyrics, are the military personnel in radiation suits. Gotcha. They're in radiation suits, silver people on the shoreline. Wow. Basically just like, hey, just let us be, man. We're going to go, we're going to find our own thing. You don't need us anymore. Like we're done with this shit you know what I mean yeah well this is great traf I enjoyed it thank you yeah man again credit credit goes to my father-in-law did
Starting point is 00:54:00 he kind of turned me on to this album that's cool did so did he have a does he have a record player did he bust out the actual record they do not have a record player cute but they do I think they do have a vinyl collection I haven't looked at it yet because it's not it's not out on front street front street I mean it's in a closet somewhere probably or in the attic or something like that I like that I'm going to use that known.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Thanks, Traff. You never? Out of Frustreet. I've never heard that for us. Well, you know what? You're welcome. So anyway, that was a look at Crosby, Stills, Nash. I think we covered it pretty, pretty well.
Starting point is 00:54:38 So, yeah, a lot of music on this episode. You got to go back and listen to more of it. You know, kind of like what we've, I think we've talked about this on this podcast before, about how what's great about music is, There's always digging to be done. You know what I'm saying? There's always a rabbit hole to fall down. Yes.
Starting point is 00:54:56 Now that I, like, I didn't even realize that David Crosby was part of the birds. I didn't know that. Yeah. So anyway, I'm going to go and listen to some more of Buffalo Springfield for sure. All I ever knew was their mega single that everybody knows. They've mega hit. Yeah. And I'm probably going to dig into the Hollies a little bit.
Starting point is 00:55:16 There's a song by The Hollies. And now that I've mentioned it, we'll put it on the track list. it's called bus stop. And I've heard that song a bazillion times, but I guess I just never knew the band that sing it, but it was the Hollies, dude. It's a great song. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:55:34 So now I've got three other bands to kind of check out, Buffalo Springfield, the Hollies, the birds, even though I'm kind of a... Of those three, the birds are kind of the band that I've... I'm mostly aware of, you know what I mean? Sam. There's a lot of great birds tracks. especially out of the fifth dimension.
Starting point is 00:55:51 That was a, that's a cool album. So anyway, for the outro song today, and dude, somehow we managed to get to the end of the episode every time without mentioning our website or where you can hear us. So let me do that real quick. We suck at this. We're the worst promoters.
Starting point is 00:56:11 We need to hire somebody. By hire, I mean, hey, can you help us out for free? somebody to do our social stuff. But no-filler podcast.com. Really, you can go there to listen, to read the show notes, to find out all about us. Yeah, we've got links to all of the social things. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:35 On our website, we'll have the SoundCloud player for every episode on there. The side notes, the sources, you know, videos to watch from concert performances and everything that we referenced will have, you know, ways for you to dig a little bit deeper on our website. Right. And if you want to listen to us on your favorite podcast player,
Starting point is 00:57:00 we are on iTunes, we are on SoundCloud. What's the one that you listen to, Q? Podcast Republic. Podcast Republic. They all pull from iTunes. Yeah, exactly. Stitcher, I think, is one of the other ones.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Yeah, most likely you can find us on whatever your favorite podcast. The funny thing is, if you're listening to this right now, then you're already listening to us on one of those podcast players. Not true, brother. We're on SoundCloud. That's true. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:27 So anyway, that's that. The outro song today is actually Graham Nash. So he had a solo career. Put out a few solo albums. This song is off of his, I think it's his second album. It's called Wild. Fuck, what's it called? Wild Stallion.
Starting point is 00:57:56 So this song is called Wild Tales. It's off of the album Wild Tales, which came out in 1974. And this song's got a little bit more rock and roll to it compared to the stuff he was doing with Crosby Stills and Nash. So anyway, that'll do it for this episode. next week we are going to cover the Kings of Convenience which will be a really good
Starting point is 00:58:25 kind of companion to this episode I think as far as like this is a modern day folk duo they're kind of more along the vein of Simon and Garfunkel yeah Simon and Garfunkel but they certainly you can certainly hear the similarities between them
Starting point is 00:58:45 and Craigswere Stills and Nash So that'll be a good And that's one of That's one of our favorite groups As far as like I think we both share love for For Kings of Convenience That goes back quite a bit
Starting point is 00:58:58 And I don't think a lot of people Are familiar with them So Yeah I don't think so Let's do Let's do quiet as the new loud Their debut album Yeah sounds good
Starting point is 00:59:10 Awesome All right man That'll do it Cool All right Thanks for listening everyone and check back midweek for our sidetrack. Not quite sure what we're going to do yet, but we'll figure it out.
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