No Filler Music Podcast - Italian Horror Icons: Dario Argento and the Music of Goblin (with Guest Adrian Sebastian Haynes)

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

It's Halloween night, which means it's time to get spooked. On tonight's bonus episode, I'm joined by horror fanatic and Austin-based musician Adrian Sebastian Haynes to chat all things Italian horror. We're diving into the films of iconic director Dario Argento, and if you're a horror nerd like us you know that means one thing: tonight we're listening to Goblin. This legendary prog-rock group partnered with Argento on many of his iconic films dating back to the 1977 classic Suspiria. Grab a flashlight and a good pair of headphones as we dive into some classic Italian horror. Tracklist (all songs by Goblin unless noted) Suspiria Theme (Suspiria 1977) Mad Puppet (Profondo Rosso 1975) Black Forest (Suspiria 1977) Danza (Wampyr 1976) Crows - Claudio Simonetti (Opera 1987) Threat (The Devil and the Universe Remix, Demons 1985) This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Happy Halloween, everyone. Travis again. So I wanted to tee this episode up for you real quick, beyond the little teaser there that I just gave in the intro. So Quentin is not joining us tonight. He is dealing with some stuff. But he will be back next month. But I've got somebody even better than Quentin, honestly.

When it comes to horror movies, I mean, he's not your guy. So I've got my good friend, Adrian, joining us tonight, who is both a horror movie fanatic, but also a legitimate, bonafide guitar player and musician who has been involved with a ton of bands. I'll let him intro himself in here in a little bit so you can get a better idea of his resume, but all I can say is when it comes to talking about classic horror and Italian progressive rock, I could not have found a better guest for tonight. So here we go. My conversation with Adrian about Dario Argento and the Music of Goblin. Joining me today is a very special guest, Adrian Sebastian Haynes or

Ash, if you're in his inner circle. Couldn't be happier to have you here. Nice. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Really excited to talk music, to talk a little bit of horror as well. So yeah, I'm looking forward to this. So like I said, you're a musician. You've been a musician for ever. I figured you could give us a little intro about yourself, your current music projects or anything you've done recently that you want to talk about. Yeah, sure. So I guess I play all sorts of instruments, but I think guitar is kind of like my main thing. It's like, but what I'm most comfortable with, that's, if someone's asking me to join their band, they're usually asking me to play guitar. So the two groups that I'm in right now, I just joined a new

group that's about, they're about three years old. I jumped into this band over the summer. It's called Stella and the Very Mest. So I can set a very best, very messed. Anyway, it's a fun band, and they're kind of an agamination of a bunch of different groups. There's the drummers from a band called Black Books, the singer, was in this kind of like regionally famous pop-punk alternative band called Cruiserweight. And she's just like an amazing songwriter. So just playing guitar with them. And then another friend of mine who I've known since I moved to Austin, I just joined his band like right when the pandemic started. And that group is called Josie Lockhart, So Lockhart, like the town, the barbecue.

Barbecue, yeah, that's right. Capital of Texas, basically. So that's kind of like, it's kind of like if Tama, Paula and like Wilco had a baby. Okay. Wow. Dude, that sounds awesome. It's been, it was a lot of fun. And I never really played slide guitar.

So I played a lot of slide guitar with them. We just started playing with a pedal steel player. We have a show. our first show with the pedal steel player next week. So that should be fun. We worked on an album that's, I mean, gosh, it was like last summer. So it's not out yet. But hopefully soon, hopefully early 2024 will have an album out.

So those are my two main projects. And then I was in this band for a while that I know you know about major, major, major, which is like a garage pop two piece. and also around that time played in this band called Alex Knapping, which is like Indy Pop, toured with Hotelier. I'm not sure if you know that group. So we were kind of like in that DIY slash kind of emo throwback circle. Definitely good time.

I was like going through. never really listen to any music that I'm a part of. But for whatever reason, like the other week, I was listening to that. And I was like getting pretty nostalgic. I was like, that was fun. You're getting nostalgic about the emo, which was also nostalgic at the time. That's what you're saying. Exactly.

Throwback. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about, yeah, there's, there's something special about that like 2000s era emo sound that, you know, for people on like an R age group. Yeah.

It's like instant. Instantly, I'm back. high school, you know, and I'm like, got all my high school anxiety and stuff. It just puts you right back there, you know. It really does. It's like our version of like our parents, Eagles. Well, maybe Eagles is a terrible example. Yeah, what would be the equivalent? Yeah, who knows? He knows. Yeah. Yeah. So your resume is legit. Uh-huh. So we finally have a, a bona fide musician to to talk about because Quentin and I, we'll just say stuff. You know, I'm like, I think this sounds about right the way I'm going to describe this music.

Like the best way I can do is just to just like compare it to other bands, you know what I mean? Or compare it to other genres. But, you know, you go and you read like a pitchfork article and like those guys and gals are always throwing in obscure references and stuff like that and like talking about time signatures and all this kind of stuff that's like over my head. But you know what? maybe you're here, you can, you can make us sound legit for once. I'll do my best.

You know, even we make mistakes sometimes. But, yeah, I think from a theory perspective, I'm okay. I have some theory knowledge. So, yeah. Well, I mean, if anything, I know both of us can, can, can, can sound legit when it comes to horror movies. So let's at least, you know, agree upon that. Because that's the thing with Quentin, just not a horror guy.

So I'm always kind of dragging him, dragging him along. You know what I mean? But now he's not here. So we don't need to worry about that. All right. So this is our bonus Halloween episode. So happy Halloween, everybody, who's listening. You know, hopefully you can squeeze this podcast in between doorbells and whatever,

whatever else you're doing or bobbing for apples. Maybe if you're at a Halloween party, like, I don't know what you're doing. But hopefully you can, you know, tune us up. you're driving around, this is going to be a great episode. And if you've been listening for a long time, this is going to feel like our older format, which was we would pick a band, one band, usually would pick an album from that band, and then we would dive into the history of the band, and then, you know, play tracks from the record. So we're focusing on one particular group. We're jumping around in terms of like the albums and whatnot. But the group, as I mentioned in the

intro, is a Italian Prague rock band that goes by Goblin. And if you're a fan of Italian Italian horror, you've probably heard Goblin's music. Maybe you just didn't realize it, but they are essentially the house band, if you will, if you want to kind of think of it that way, of this very well-known Italian horror director named Dario Argento. So what we're going to do is play some songs from a handful of Dario Argento films that featured the music of Goblin. So in the intro, I played the theme song to Susperia, and not the first time that that song has actually been played on this podcast.

We did a sidetrack episode a long time ago on Susperia. And we played that theme song. And then we played a track off of the newer Susperia, which was Tom York. I don't know if you listen to that record, Adrian. But I guess I, yeah, I totally forgot that he took that score because I love the movie. I only saw it that one time. It kind of blew my mind. I don't know how comfortable I would be with a rewatch, although I would like to rewatch it

because there was so much great stuff in that film. So I haven't actually seen the new one. I've seen the old one a couple times, but I haven't seen the new one. I would be really curious to hear what you think about the latest one. I was glad that it kind of went off the kind of the deep end. And it's just a completely different movie. So you're not like comparing it to the original as much just because it feels so different, which I think was the right call.

Well, yeah, I'll watch it eventually. I know it's like three hours long or something like that. So I got to get in the right mind. set for it. But all right. So let's jump into. So the first film we're going to talk about. And okay, I'm saying we're going to talk about the film. We'll briefly discuss the film. I'm going to play the trailer. And these trailers are great from an audio perspective too. So like if you're listening at home and you don't have YouTube up, you can't like pull up the trailer and watch alongside us. They're pretty awesome even just just the audio from the trailer. So we'll do

that a little bit. We'll talk about the synopsis of the film, but we're here to talk about Goblin mainly. So, yeah, and then we'll play a track from each of these films. The first one we're going to talk about is Deep Red, which the Italian title is Profondo Roso. I'm probably going to butcher the pronunciation of all of these Italian words, but... That's not going to be. Yeah, so this was the first time that Goblin and Argento partnered up. So basically, let me just do a brief goblin history here. The band is kind of like a, it's comprised of a bunch of different Italian prog rock groups that kind of like came together and like had a bunch of different iterations before they became Goblin. And they put out like this, this EP under the name, the Cherry Five.

That was their original name. And it was like a, I don't know, it was a flop. Apparently didn't do too well. But Dario Argento, for whatever reason, stumbled a. on the album and really liked it. And he was making Deep Red at the time. And he was not happy with the direction, like the jazzy direction that the original composer was taking it in. His name was Giorgio Gesslini.

And so then he brought in the Cherry Five or Goblin into the mix. And they basically redid the whole score. And that was basically the birth of the collaboration. And so after that, they changed their name to Goblin to kind of like match this new realm of horror that they're finding themselves in. All right. So let's play the trailer. I also heard something. I think I was on Wikipedia and I read something interesting about, I don't know how true this is, but that Dario Gentile, like, is like, I need the whole score like written in a day.

And I need you to record the whole thing in a day. I think that's I think that was for deep red I think it was like incredibly rushed recording process that's interesting because some of it yeah some of it does sound kind of like a jam session type thing like something that came out of a jam session which I can imagine you know if you're just like hey we got to crank out a bunch of songs like it would it would just be like organic you know jam sessions that you just kind of turn into a song right yeah all right all right so let's get this deep red trailer pulled up and if you're if you're following a lot at home and you you have access to the YouTube's pull it up I'm looking try to find the original this is the

original trailer all right and let's hit play you're getting closer and closer to the most unnatural kind of death you have killed and you will kill again beyond shock beyond horror Terror. What was that? Murder runs wild. A druns cold. Terror runs deep red. Where you turn, death is running with you.

Deep red. It'll put you into deep shock. It's right. Amazing. So cool. My favorite part of the film was actually in the trailer, the whatever this thing is, it's like walking marionette

doll thing that sort of walks into this room. I don't know how the killer pulled it off, but he's got this animatronic puppet thing that's like, you know, charging at this person. But anyway, so, all right,

that was the trailer. Let me give you the synopsis in case it wasn't obvious in the trailer. So this is from the letter box. This is the letterboxed synopsis. So it says a musician witnesses the murder of a famous psychic and then teams up with a feisty reporter to find the killer while evading attempts on their lives by the unseen killer bent on keeping a dark secret buried. Deep shock, are you prepared

to be deeply shocked, as they said? Were you deeply shocked when you saw this film for the first time? And you watched it recently, right? I've rewatched it recently. The first time I saw it, was with some friends in college because I'd seen Susperia. So I was like, let's watch this movie. And definitely a lot of mixed responses from the people I watched. Sure. But I think it's so funny that this like piano player gets wrapped up in all this. I'm like, what are you doing?

And he's like kind of like going across. Like the police never have a problem with him doing any of this stuff. It's like, what? like it's just completely confidentially just like walking it around on crime scenes and hey maybe maybe that's what you know 70s you know anything goes exactly so i find that part really funny and maybe like i've always like kind of like fantasized about like stumbling in on like a murder and trying to figure it out just because i like these types of movies so it's like oh he's a piano player so it's like it kind of feels relatable in a way so um

that's funny. Man, I bet you if you did some upon a murder, you'd probably be like, you know what? I lied. I don't want to. Yeah, yeah. Turns out I don't want it. It'd be terrible.

But I hear you saying. I mean, I, you know, I've always wanted to, like, see a ghost and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I always say that. But I feel like if I did see something creepy like that, like in the moment, I think I'd be terrified. It would never be the same. That would never be the same.

Yeah, basically my entire freaking world view would be changed. All right. All right. So let's listen to the song. So again, this is a film is called Deep Red. The Italian title, I guess the original name is Profondo Roso. So I'm going to play a song called Mad Puppet. Awesome.

I'm worried about that track. So I don't actually, I think it actually was played in the trailer. So it is possible that this appeared in the film. but this particular version of the song does not appear on most of the releases of this album that I found. So this is some sort of like some special edition of this record that this version of the song appeared. But I just thought it was like this really interesting. I mean, yeah, this is a prog rock band, right? And that was like a kind of interesting prog rock song, which is kind of interesting.

Like nothing about that says like if you didn't, if I didn't tell you that that was from a horror film, I'm like, you'd have no clue that was from a horror film, right? At least this particular song, like, if you listen to the theme song of Susperia, like it sounds like a horror theme song, you know? But what I like about Goblin is like, you know, these guys are, this is a rock band. You know what I mean? So like, you're going to hear all these great rock tracks when you listen to Goblin because at their core, like, you know, these guys are a rock band.

But it's interesting because like, you know, when they recorded this stuff, they were still the Cherry Five. Like that was the name of the group. And it's just interesting to read that like their EP that they put out was a flop because it sounds like they turned around and then immediately started working with our Durgento. So like I'm curious. I would actually love to go back and hear that early EP because if it sounds like this stuff, like I'm, you know, sign me up, you know. I'd like to hear that too. I didn't really know their backstory until I like peeped at their Wikipedia.

And then I noticed because I just wanted to get a refresher. there's this like, rate, I forget what it's called, some old website, rate my albums or something like that. Oh, yeah. And it's this list, 100 best Italian prog rock records. And like number 20 is the Cherry Five self-titled. Really? See, I mean, it's, okay.

Yeah. So maybe it flopped for, you know, who knows? Maybe that maybe that record label didn't do good enough job promoting it or something. Like, who knows why it flopped. But anyway, I just think it's interesting. So, but yeah. So this was basically the birth of Goblin is all because of Argyento, if you think about it, because he liked their music enough to be like, I don't need this jazzy composer guy anymore.

Let me get this Prague rock group in here for this horror score, which I can't think of too many horror films that, you know, utilize like a rock band for the score, you know, like that. I feel like that's kind of what makes his films unique is his partnership with Goblin, right? Absolutely. I mean, there's like everything about it is so locked in that time period. And I think sometimes that could be like a bad thing and distracting thing and makes things really dated. And I think in this case actually does seem really dated. But like in a good way, it feels like it encapsulates so many cool things about the 70s that really only lived in the 70s. Yeah, like that organ sound or whatever, that very particular organ sound. if that's an organ, please correct me, Adrian. It sounds like a synth or something. In the beginning, yeah, there was a Moog, or Moog, whoever.

Yeah, Moog, right, yeah. I've always said Moog, by the other. Yeah, me too, me too. It looks like Moog, you know. That's what I say. But it's a monophonic synth. So you could just play one note at a time. And that, I think until like the mid to late 70s,

is when you could play like polyphonic synth. I'm not like a synth expert or anything. You just like legitimized to this podcast as like just by saying that sentence. Okay, cool. So we can sign off that. I'm sorry. Yep. That's all I needed from you.

But yeah, that definitely sounded like a Moog in the beginning. And yeah, what else is so interesting about that track? I mean, I was a fan of the bass solo. You don't really hear bass solos. It's wild. It's like, who thought that it made sense for them to turn that bass up so loud? I mean, it is so loud. Yeah. Well, let me give the roster here because like, yeah, shout out to the bass player, I guess.

So, and if you look at the Wikipedia page, there have been dozens of iterations of this band. So, like, they shuffle out new members all the time. but back when this was recorded, the Cherry Five lineup. So I'm guessing that's who this is. So this bass player was named Fabio Pignatelli. Massimo Morante is the guitars. Claudio Simonetti is keyboards. Tony Tartorini is vocals and then Carlo Bordini is drums.

So if you look up this discography of Goblin, at some point they switch their name to Claudio Simonetti's Goblin. So he's like kind of like the mainstay. Yeah. So like, you know, they break up at some point. And then they come back together and, you know, it takes on all these different forms. And Claudio's kind of like the guy that's Claudio and Massimo have kind of like stuck with it for most of it. But anyway, all right.

So yeah, that was kind of more of like a fun like rock song. I think most of the other tracks are going to play are going to feel more like horror. Because, you know, this is, it's Halloween night after all. So I don't want to. I got to keep spooking you guys here. Yeah, deep red is like, it's interesting because it has a lot of horror elements, but it's, I guess since it's a Giala movie, it's like a murder mystery.

Yeah, I was going to, yeah, I was definitely going to have that combo with you in terms of like, because when we talk about Suspira, which we're going to play a track from Suspiria next, which a lot of people say Argento, all he does is Jalo films and people will correct, will very quickly be very quick to correct you and say that Susperia is not technically a Jolo film. But yeah, the classic like Jallo is like kind of like a who done it mystery kind of thing, right? Murder mystery type situation. And Deep Red is definitely that. And so is, yeah, so is a lot of his films.

But Suspira is not. Suspira is like a classic like just like ghost horror kind of film. You know what I mean? I forget what he calls it. There's like the Inferno. trilogy or something like or no the witches yeah well i think inferno is yeah it's part of it right

wasn't i'm supposed to be like a prequel or like a sequel to suspiria i think it was in the same like universe or something it seems like yeah so there's like a group of witches and i'm forgetting their names but i think yeah

the witches that are in or mentioned in Suspira are also, I don't even think you see the witches in Inferno. Spoiler alert, but they're involved in like the, in the story. Inferno is a really weird one. I saw that for the first time recently. I haven't seen it. I may have to watch it. Yeah.

So the Wikipedia calls it a thematic sequel to Suspira. All right. Anyway, so let's get into Suspira. This song is really cool. First, let's play the trailer. So this trailer is great, man. You want to talk about like a snapshot of a time? Like this trailer is great, man.

All right. So again, if you're playing along at home, search for the official trailer, the official 77th of this period trailer. And yeah, you should be greeted by a lady combing her here is the first thing you see. All right. So here we go.

Red, violets are blue. But the iris is the flower. Gabumemia. Run from Susperia. From Susperia. You cannot escape. Nothing more terrifying than the last 12 minutes of Susperia. For the first 92.

Um, awesome. Man, the, uh, I always feel bad for the, the, the lady that's just flailing her arms around and knocking out all the windows in the room that she's in. Um, that's some paper thin glass, man, because she just barely taps it and it just shatters. Anyway, um, that's the 70s prop department, I guess. But, um, yeah, you can't really tell from the trailer, but there's, there's so much like color in this film. That's the thing that jumped out of me the most was like the use of color. And I think that's something that maybe D'Argento is kind of known for is like his use of really vibrant colors and stuff. And like if you're used to watching like American horror films, you know, that to me, I think is like the first time that I saw like a D'Argento film.

Like that's, I always say D'Argento. His name's Argento, but Dario Argento. It just felt different. You know what I mean? Like it just felt really. yeah like like something that I'd never seen before you know and it takes a little bit of getting used to you when you're watching an argento film like you you kind of get used to it if you watch a few of his films because they're kind of they're kind of weird you know their pacing is a little bit

weird but but yeah pacing is weird and they used Italian and American British actors and they're like dubbing over so like I know that's some of the Italian actors are speaking in Italian while the American or English actors are speaking in English, and then they just would dub over whichever version they were making, the Italian version of the... Yeah, it's weird because, like, you'll see their mouths moving. Like you say, yeah, you'll see their mouths moving, and they're speaking in English,

but they still dubbed over the English sometimes where it's like, well, you didn't have to do that. Apparently that was like an Italian cinema thing. Like, that's just like something that they... I mean, you know, American movies did that for a while, too. But then I guess we transitioned at some point. I think that might have been in the 70s. And like, you'll see some of Argento's movies from like the 80s to like, you know,

early 90s and they still are dubbing in this way. And it's pretty bizarre. Yeah, I guess it's part of the charm if you want to think of it that way. But yeah. Exactly. All right. So the synopsis here from the moment she arrives in. in Freiburg, Germany, to attend the prestigious Tons Academy, American ballet dancer Susie

Banyan senses that something horribly evil lurks within the walls of the age-old institution. Indeed, and you can't escape it, as the trailer told us. All right, so here we go. I'm going to play a track from the soundtrack here. This song, it's a 12-minute and 36-second-long song. I'm going to actually break it into two clips, but we're not going to get any of the one. we're near the second half of this song. But there's some really cool stuff that happens.

There you go. This song is called Black Forest. There's the intro. Awesome. I love that saxophone, man. Yeah, it's so cool. It's pretty unexpected when it comes in. Yeah, you're not expecting it.

And I don't know how often they actually feature a saxophone in their music. The guy is not actually credited as a member of the group, or at least on the Wikipedia page when they list out the lineup for this particular soundtrack. I'm trying to find out who that saxophone player was. I'm on the Discogs page. I don't see him listed here.

So who knows? Oh, interesting. But yeah, that to me, I guess, kind of makes this a prog rock song, I guess. But I mean, that's kind of hard to define, I guess, like what makes a Prague rock song. Like, I've always kind of, when I think of Prague rock,

I always think of a band like a guest or Moody Blues or Rush. Yeah, something like that. Where it's like this blend of rock and like classical music, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's interesting. It's like so many, it was so big in the 70s everywhere. I mean, and America had its own version of Prague rock, you know. England had its own version of Prague rock.

And Italy had its own version of Prague rock. Italy had its own version of frog rock. I always thought that Italian frog rock to me sounded more classical, maybe. Obviously, the two songs that we've heard, I think, are more kind of in the jazz fusion world. That's what I was going to say, yeah. What's the difference between Prague rock and fusion? Because to me, it's always like jazzy equals fusion, classical equals prog rock. you really want to like oversimplify it, but I don't know if it's that, I don't know if it's

that straightforward. But yeah, anytime I, when I think of jazz fusion, I think of like Steeley Ann or something like that, you know what I mean, where it's like the perfect blend of jazz and rock. And I guess because I heard a saxophone in this song, my mind's like, oh, I guess it's kind of like fusion, right? There's another term for that with Steeley Dan. What is it called? It's like, I mean, obviously there's yacht rock. But I always kind of thought fusion jazz.

didn't have vocals. Okay. Generally. Okay. And then Prague rock has, because I think one of this, I mean, Goblin doesn't have vocals,

so it's like, I feel like it kind of could be. It could be, yeah. Fusion Jazz and Prague, but I mean, I love yes, by the way. I'm a big Prague rock fan.

Are you? Oh, yeah. I mean, that was, you know, I was so into classic rock because of my dad and then got into Prague rocked.

And there was like, To me, I was like, this is the best rock music can get because it's like rock music, but it's like sophisticated. Yeah, it certainly makes you feel that way when you listen to it, especially like a yes song, right? Yeah. Yes, we've done one episode on yes, if you're curious, people out there, if you want to go back in time.

In 2019, we did an episode on Fragile. Iconic. Some of this stuff, this first one is, especially if there's any King Crimson fans out there, the record read. The first song reminded me of that a lot. That's probably my favorite, or one of my favorite prog rock records a whole time. The first goblin track that we played? The first goblin track.

What was that one called again? That was called Mad Puppet. Mad Puppet. Mad Puppet, yeah. Yeah, there's like that record uses a lot of tritones. Sorry, I promise I'd bring some theory into this. Tritones are like, it's a flat fifth. So it's basically just sounds really off.

It makes things sound really angular. There's like one scale that you can kind of use with it. Well, more or less, it's called whole tone. And there's only two versions of this scale because. I'm loving this right now, dude. It's all like whole notes. So if you just play whole notes on the piano all the way up, that's a whole tone scale. And it sounds wild.

I think they used it like in silent films when like a train is coming, you know, kind of just like kind of like almost to like give you like a reaction, you know, kind of like scary. Okay. So it's supposed to sound like unsettling kind of? Yeah, it sounds really unsettling and wrong and shocking. Okay. Interesting. And King Crimson in red, several of the songs kind of utilize these tritones. And I feel like that the goblin song, Mad Puppet, did that in the first half of the song.

Well, that's interesting, especially since the trailer's like you're going to be in deep shock. And they're using like these tritones or whatever that are supposed to kind of like leave you unsettled and stuff. So maybe that was intentional. Yeah, I wonder if like I always like to think about like what the creative process it was here. And if I know Argento is a really opinionated person. So I wonder if they were just like, hey, give me something like really shocking and insane. And they're like, okay, this the scale is really, you know, off sounding. So let's try.

I mean, that's an interesting. Like, yeah, I wonder how much like, yeah, it is interesting. I think like if he just calls his prog rock band up and it's like, hey, can you score my horror movie, how much, yeah, how much did he kind of lead them, you know, like, give them any sort of like, yeah, that's an interesting. Yeah, and I would think if we could find the Cherry Fives debut EP and see how different it sounded from the Deep Red soundtrack, that would probably answer that question because like, and that could be interesting if like, we could credit Argento for like sort of like steering him toward like the sound that they

went on to develop, you know, but anyway. Yeah, definitely. All right. Okay. Yeah. So, we're going to actually pick this track up again because I wanted to at least play. There's a pretty cool guitar solo that happens. So I got a guitar player on the show. We got to play the guitar solo. So here we go. All right. So we're going to pick back up where we left off the song.

Again, it's called Black Forest off of the Susperius soundtrack. I mean, that's pretty legit guitar solo. You know, you got to give it to him. Oh, yeah. That's wild. Great tone. Great tone. Yeah, yeah.

Totally. I mean, that's, all right. So let me credit the guy. So his name is Massimo Morante. He actually died last year. So he was with the band up until almost the entire time. So him and Claudia were in the band for pretty much the entire run. Rolling Stone just put out a revised list of their greatest guitar players of all time.

I don't know if you've looked at that yet. I'm scared to look at it. I hated the first version. It is scary. They did a good job of trying to, like, add in some, like, indie guitar players and stuff like that. So, like, what's her name from St. Vincent? Annie Clark. Yeah, she's on there.

Nice. She should be on there. She's incredible. Yeah, she's, yeah, exactly. But you don't, you wouldn't think of her. Like, you know, when you usually think of guitar, greatest guitar players, you always go to, like, the guitar gods, quote unquote. So you think of, like, your Jimmy Pages and your, your Clapton's and your Santanas and your whatever else, right? But it seems like they've done a good job sort of like factoring in all the great guitar players

that don't just sit there and try to shred, you know what I mean? She can't shred too. Oh, can't she? So I've never seen her live. She can shred hard. She is so good. She made it really high on the list. So there you go.

Yeah, and not to bring up King Crimson again, but she's very influenced by Robert Fritt. Okay, cool. She can definitely emulate that sound with, you know, with her own twist really, really well. The debut, not debut, the self-titled one, which I think it's like the third or fourth album of hers. I think it's the third after Strange Mercy. Anyway, that record has a lot of those king crimson tones. I saw her on that tour and she'll go for it. I mean, like on the studio version, she's pretty subdued, but live, she's soloing circles around everyone.

having a great time. It's pretty fun, incredible to watch. All right, well, credit to Rolling Stone for acknowledging that and like, factoring that in because like, yeah, some like the top 10 or the top 20, there's a, you know, I'm kind of like, I pop into like the guitar

subreddit and stuff like that and most people are not, not happy with this new countdown. I mean, you know, that's kind of how it goes. Basically, you look at like where they put somebody like Clapton and then who comes after him and you're like, wait a minute, I wouldn't put so-and-so above Clapton, you know what I mean? I would, okay, I have a lot of opinions about Clapton. Okay, well, there you go.

You may or may not agree with the placement then. But yeah, he's top 50, but not top 10. I don't think he should be top 100. Boom. You heard it here first on no further. I am not a big Clapton fan. But, you know, he's also not a good person, so that makes it worse. I understand.

A lot of people think that that maybe has something to do with it too, like where he ranked on the Rolling Stone list. But here's a thing. I mean, all those musicians were stealing off of other or ripping off of other musicians. Eric Clapton, I think, did it in the worst way. A lot of other musicians were much more respectful of like, you know, the black musicians that they were like basically stealing, you know, influence from. But Eric Clapton had a much more egotistical interpretation of that. There's so much stuff out there. And, you know, sorry if anyone out there's a big Eric Clapton fan.

I love cream. Everything he didn't cream, great. Although I give Jack Bruce more credit for that. But anything solo for, no, he has good solo stuff. But I just think that, like, you know, at that time, looking back, you know, when we have as many good guitar players as we do now, Yeah, yeah. And now that we know a little bit more about like Clapton's influence, I think he's a lot less important than he was back in the day. But we're not talking about Clapton. I don't even I don't even have much, I don't have much opinion on Clapton. But with that statement you just said, like yeah, I agree. Like who? Clapton, who the hell see? He cares about Clapton. Let's get some St. Vincent. You know what I mean? I'll tell you the one thing I was most, this is 250 guitar players, so a lot. Josh Ham

nowhere on the list and I thought that was a massive mistake because he's amazing but Jack White sits pretty pretty high which is cool because you know Jack White's great the thing that

another thing and then we'll go back to to Goblin but the authors whoever came up with this list it was a collective of people they would group guitar players together so for example

Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield of Metallica are just a line item together. Like they're grouping them. For some reason, they're deciding to say, well, they're just in the same band. So let's just put them together as if they're not independently amazing guitar players, right? So anyway, some weird decisions like that. But anyway. Yeah, that's a hard thing. I mean, I guess the whole point is just to get people talking about it. It's like it actually doesn't even matter. Yeah, success. And they, yeah, you know they knew. They knew that this would generate the buzz. that it did because if you're if you're a guitar player a fan of rock music you're going to have an

opinion about this list for sure but uh you know same thing happened with their first their first yeah exactly um you know their first list didn't exactly get it get it right either but you know everybody has opinions everybody likes who they like so this is the thing yeah nobody you know nobody's going to make the list that lines up with your exact dream list you know what I mean that oh yeah all right let's move on so this is interesting um I've never seen seen this film. And this is a last minute entry of the songs I decided to play today. So I sent you the list of films I was going to do and this was not included. So I'm curious if you've seen this. This is originally a film by George A. Romero called Martin. It came out in 1977.

and when they went to release it for the Italy market, Argento did the edit for the Italian version and decided to scrap the original score, of course, in favor for Goblins. So it's just funny because, like, the film had its own score. And then when it got into Argento's hands, he was like, no, no, no, we're not going to do this. I'm going to bring in Goblin and they're going to do it their right way. you know so anyway that's got a lot of goblin maybe that goes back to your opinion your your comment about um how opinionated he was so he probably i'm sure he listened to the original score i'm like this is not good enough i have to get goblin into the studio but that means that we

get another great uh goblin score so i'm glad that he decided to do that uh but what's interesting about this score though uh or at least it's funny i said bring goblin into the studio he didn't bring him into the studio at all he just took songs from some of their independent releases and just put them on the film. So the score is actually comprised of a album that Goblin put out just as Goblin, not tied to a movie at all called Roller, came out in 76. And then there's some other songs from a concept album that they put out that I'm not going to pronounce correctly. Il fantastico, Viagio, Del, whatever.

It's the fantastic journey of this Italian name I can't pronounce. came out in 1977. Anyway, so it's interesting because these are actually songs that weren't written for this film at all. They were just written separately and released independently of the movie. But whatever, it's still a goblin song. And it's pretty cool. So here we go. This is vampire.

Well, that's the name of the Italian version is vampire, as in vampire. But the original title was Martin. and let's watch the trailer My name is Martin I'm 84 years old People think I'm crazy when I tell them how old I am I'd like to be normal

I just have a sickness The only way I can survive is by drinking blood It's not easy living the way I do I have to be careful all the time But I'm pretty good at it I think as I get older I get better. I haven't been caught yet.

Martin, another kind of terror. People don't understand what's wrong. They think that I'm a monster. They think I'm a vampire. People don't realize that those things I see in the movies are not real. I don't have a whole lot of women. It's nice to watch them. I watch them a lot all the things.

the time. I have to. To be sure that nothing goes wrong, I follow them. I plan. I'm very careful. I have needles now. I can use them. I can put them to sleep. And it doesn't hurt. Another kind of terror. I would like to be like everyone else. I have to do things that I don't necessarily like to do. I want to stay alive. I do need blood. Director of Night of the Living Dead. March on the

terror. Wow. All right. So Martin is a little bit of a freak. Yeah, no kidding. Kind of obsessive, this Martin guy. He needs to he needs to chill out. He needs to chill. And he probably shouldn't be telling us all this too. No. I mean, he's kind of.

Yeah. I mean, we're going to, we're going to take this to the cops like, right? Yeah, exactly. It looks interesting. I mean, I may have to watch it. It definitely looks like an interesting film. I've never seen it, never heard of it. I've heard of it. I've been wanting to see it. I've never, I've never seen the trailer. And that made me want to watch it a lot more. That's such a cool trailer. Yeah, it looks cool. Really unsettling. Yeah. No, I, yeah. And it's George Romero. So. you know yeah horror icon right um but so that's actually not the first time that um romero and argento have collaborated so um they they kind of work together on on day of their dawn of the dead uh and 78 and argento actually got a producer credit for that film and provided the soundtrack which means you know goblin performed it is what that means but anyway so yeah it sounds like they they were they had kind of a partnership as well in the same way that him and Sovlin did.

But yeah, I definitely want to check that film out. Yeah. It's interesting kind of like, you know, from the perspective of a vampire kind of thing. Like you hear his, you know, it's kind of like a diary of a vampire situation going on there. But that's kind of interesting. Yeah, super cool. And I mean, the 70s, not to get too deep in this, but 70s were such a scary time with like the, you know, the rise of serial killers, you know. And it has, I mean, to me, it seems like an analogy to that, you know, kind of this idea of like a sociopath, which is like kind of, you know, a quote unquote new idea to the mainstream back then. And yeah, it's like really unsettling to see how nonchalant he was like talking about this sort of thing. I mean, obviously it's ridiculous because he's a vampire. But, you know, it, yeah, that was an effective trailer. That was a really good thing.

Yeah. And yeah, it's interesting how he kind of like, he was almost like he was trying to like make it seem like it was not so bad. You know, he's like, oh, you know, I use syringes now. So he just put him asleep and stuff. I'm not that bad. Yeah. So he's like, yeah.

Anyway, all right. So let's play a track here. So again, this song did not, what was not written for this movie. It actually came out on that album. I'm not going to try to pronounce again. Well, I can say the English, the translated name was the fantastic journey of Bagarozo Mark came out in 78. So there we go.

This song is called Danza. Awesome. Yeah, so I wanted to make sure I got some of that vocal track in there because the first time we hear vocals on a goblin track. So I guess that was the guitar player, Massimo Moronte. He's credited as the vocalist on that. the track. So pretty cool. Yeah. I guess you can you can kind of tell that we're approaching the 80s with that that scent in the beginning. Like didn't that just sound like a classic like

synth wave sound there in the beginning of that track? For sure. Yeah, I wonder what synth that they used for that. So it's, I mean, they could have. So I was kind of looking into this before because I was curious. I was looking into some Italian product. Anyway, you know, Vangelis was like used this polyphonic synth I think it's the Yamaha Cs80 and I know that a lot of Italian there's another Italian kind of or composer that I really like Fabio Friese

I've heard of that where do I know that from he did zombie or zombie two he did okay okay a bunch of Lucio Fulci movies and then he did City of the Dead I think Yeah, see he did. Did he do? Now, I think the guy from Goblin did. I don't know if he was credited as Goblin.

Claudius Simon, but he did Demons, which is a movie I really like. I think, yeah, I want to say that that's another, I'm actually going to play a track as the outro track from that film. It's actually a remixed version of a song, but anyway. Oh, cool. Demons Was that another like Romero? No, never mind.

That was Argento again. Baba's son or some Mario Baba's son, I think. Bada, okay, okay. Directed that. I think Argento wrote the script, though. Okay. He wrote both of those

demons movies. Demons one and two. I have a funny story about demons. Go for it. If you want to hear it. This is the night to hear about demon stories for sure. Okay. So it's scary, I guess, in a way.

But so my fiance and I were in Puerto Rico just on vacation. This was years ago. And, you know, I bought this demon shirt from like Amoeba records when we were in L.A. I thought it was a hilarious shirt. It had the demons font and yellow. It kind of looked like a metal shirt. shirt. Okay. Okay. You know, the way metal shirts look. But the imagery was, I guess, a little disturbing. It was like a demon ripping off like a face of another person. But it looked very

cartoony. It looked like it looked like kind of an iron maiden cover. You know what I mean? It was very goofy. So I never really thought anything of this shirt. So you had you had no idea that it was he didn't know the movie at that point you just kind of saw that it was a cool shirt yeah well no i'd seen the movie i loved the movie uh i was like this is i've never seen a demon shirt how random is that so i bought it loved this shirt uh wore it all the time um you know i knew it's something i wouldn't wear to a job interview or right sure yeah i mean to be fair you could have worn that to the interview for lifloot and we still would have hired you i'm just going to put that up okay good to know good enough if i could just turn back time next time

In fact, in fact, I would have like, I would have just hired you on the spot, probably. You're like, hired. He's hired. Anyway, so I was wearing this shirt when we're in Puerto Rico. We went to this. I think it was like a, it was a Sunday. I didn't think about this. But we went into, we just walked into a restaurant.

And it was definitely a very kind of conservative crowd. There's a lot of families and stuff like that. So we're just sitting at, for breakfast or lunch or whatever. And I guess, you know, people are getting, you know, just getting out of church and stuff like that. But this old man comes up up to me. And, you know, I speak Spanish. At that point, my Spanish was a little rusty.

I was like trying to understand him. At first I was just thought he was coming over to say hi. He was like, hey, you know, how's your meal, everything? But then he started talking about respect. He was like, you know, you need to show a little bit more respect, especially when you're with such a pretty lady or something like that. Okay. All right.

And then he slapped me. He like was talking about my shirt and then he slapped me. In the face. In the face. Wow. And I think he meant it to be like, I don't know if he was just like a kind of just like a light shame on you. But it like it was shocking to be slapped in the face. Yeah, it was like a tritone for me.

Yeah, exactly. And I just looked around and everyone was just like looking at us. I was like, I don't know. And then I realized, oh, I think he was talking about my shirt that whole time. Because he was like talking about the way I dress. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. So what, what's the story there? So is it like the, he just didn't like it because I had the word demon up?

That guy needs to just stay in church because he's going to have a hard time anywhere. He goes, dude. Yeah, I think it was, he was that. He just thought it was an inappropriate shirt, which I guess technically he, you know, it wasn't the right vibe. That's for sure. You know, I was just on vacation. You know, I didn't think about it.

So, I mean, he was a, it was a really. He was very, very old, very, very old. So I, you know, but he had a, he had a good, a pretty decent slap. So I'll get on. So I guarantee you're not the first guy. He slapped for wearing a shirt. I don't think so. Maybe that's his thing, you know.

Yeah, somebody's, he's the slapper. That's what they call him. He's a slapper. Yeah. Anyway, so I definitely, like, thought about wearing that shirt differently after that. Have you worn it since then? Well, it's shrunk. So I actually.

I gave it away. But I see. Yeah, I had it for a very very long time. It was basically about to fall apart. But, you know, when you like horror movies, you're just so desensitized to all this stuff. That's a good point. Yeah.

I don't think about it. It's just funny to me. The concept of demons is funny. You know, I never think about it being scary or actually, like, problematic, I guess. I hear what you're saying. Yeah, because. Especially when you watch a lot of horror, yeah, like you said, like you end up you end up watching horror for other, like if you're, if you appreciate horror, like you're not watching horror because you're a, you like, you like, you like, you know, devil worshiping and and you like seeing, you know, horrible acts of violence on screen, you know what I mean? Like you're watching for like the themes and the metaphors and exactly. It's like my marvel, you know, exactly.

It's a marble universe to me. It is. Yeah, it totally is. Anyway, that's funny, man. I guess demons, you know, there's like a, I guess like a religious aspect to that maybe that's what his approach was. He thought you really like sitting there trying to worship demons or something like that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Well, he's probably long gone.

He's probably moved on to another plane of existence perhaps. I think so. Yeah. If his beliefs were correct, he's sitting up in heaven right now. Or maybe he slapped the wrong person. Who knows? Maybe he's, maybe he's downstairs cooking, you know, whatever. All right.

Well, I got one more track for us here. So this particular film, our co-worker Brian told me about this, BK. I'm not going to give his last name, but we know him. He's another horror fanatic at the company that we work for. And he was telling me about this film. He was telling me about this very inventive form of torture. that this killer devised, and you see it in the trailer, and it is very unsettling. Even to watch the trailer, it makes you cringe.

But this movie came out almost a decade after Vampire, so we're jumping into the future. So at this point, I don't believe Goblin is Goblin anymore, but Argento still works with three or four of the members of Goblin. So, like, I think Claudio and some of the other guys, So, you know, he's still working with most of the goblin musicians. They're just, they're not goblin anymore. Anyway, so this is 87. This movie is called opera.

And have you seen opera? Yes. Okay. So you know exactly what I'm talking about. Because it's the imagery that you immediately think of when you think about opera. It's on like the cover of the film. It's in the trailer. So I'm just going to say that this is another theme of Argento.

He loves. showing you close-ups of eyeballs getting all manner of, you know, puncture and stab and whatever the heck else you can do to an eyeball, like he'll do it, right? And this particular film, I'll try to describe it, but you should watch the trailer. He's basically, he's, the killer kind of like tapes these needles underneath the eyelid of this woman, forcing her to keep her eyes open. to watch him kill her friends and stuff, whatever. Because if she closes her eyes, like she's going to puncture her eyeball, basically. And it's just, it's freaking horrific.

But it, you know, hey, I've never seen it before. Never seen, you know, since then. Like, it's inventive. I'll give him that. But anyway. Definitely. So, yeah. All right.

Let's watch the trailer here. So again, this is a movie called Opera, about 1987. And I'm going to push play. now. You won't be able to close your eyes. Director Dario Argento brings fear. Don't leave me alone. I'm afraid. Passion.

Obsession. And murder to a perfect bitch. A lot of music puns. Oh, yeah. I was appreciated that. Yeah, I just I think trailers used to just hit differently back in the day. I love the narration of those old trailers, but anyway. Yeah.

How the heck did they even film that? I mean, she's got, she's got something taped her eyeballs. Like, even if they're like, actually, you know, obviously they weren't real needles, but like that couldn't have been comfortable for that actor. It's kind of like whenever I see that, the scene in Clockwork Orange, you know, way that where his eyeballs are like that always makes me uncomfortable because he's actually he's actually doing that anyway so here's a one sentence synopsis a young operata is stalked by a deranged fan bent on killing the people associated with her to claim her for himself that's another theme

of these films it's a lot of obsessive deranged men stalking women and doing unspeakable things to them, which, you know, is kind of a genre in itself for horror. That's that's most horror films actually is unspeakable things happening to women. That's a, that's a theme of horror for sure. But anyway, I thought this film was really interesting. I love the opera, you know, theme and like the, you know, the music and stuff. Obviously, you heard it in the trailer, like there's a legit opera happening throughout the film that like is an interesting sort of like, bad. backdrop for this thing. Because she's like, a lot of the kills and stuff are happening like backstage and like underneath

the stage and all this kind of interesting stuff. And then in this apartment of hers, like in the trailer, it shows like I was saying with eyeballs getting, you know, destroyed. There's an eyeball that gets shot through like a peephole. This guy shoots some lady through the eyeball, you know. Yeah, did it, gosh, I don't remember where I heard this, but I could have. sworn that Tarantino borrowed that scene. Like, or it was inspired by that.

Maybe he did something like that and kill Bill. The needles under the eyes? Not the needles, but the shot that showed in the trailer of the bullet going through, like, the door. It's a really cool shot. Like, for the 80s. Like, it's great, yeah. 87. Like, it looks awesome.

It really does. Yeah, you can basically see it, like, traveling through the Peepole thing, the door. It's awesome. But yeah. So, all right. So the song that we're going to play here, I think it kind of, it has kind of a classic pipe organ kind of thing going on, which I think is very appropriate for horror. So here we go. So this song, it's actually credited as Claudio Simonetti. So maybe it was just him by himself. Yeah. So this is actually, we're down to Claudio just by himself. So I'm just going to pretend that that's still goblin. It kind of is. But anyway, all right. So this song is called Corro. Pretty epic song, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, like, in the 80s, I definitely think, like, a lot of these, like, some of these Italian movies, sorry, Italian horror movies,

you can kind of see it go from Prague to metal a little bit. This one, not so much, but if you see, like, some of the, the guitar tone was definitely, like, very, like, hit metal. Yeah, well, like, I don't know if you picked up on that in the trailer, but there was definitely a more, like, 80s, metal, song that played in that track. I don't know if that was from the score

if that was a yeah. Okay. So yeah, I'm wondering if that was just another band or if that was part of the score like that he wrote like if he wrote that. In Tenebrae, I think I was like because I rewatch that

recently and I think I saw that like motorhead played on it. And there's definitely some like metal aspects of that because I know Goblin was involved in that too. But yeah, it seems like there's definitely some like metal influence that kind of creeped into. And then Demons has a lot of metal in it as well.

Yeah. Which is pretty funny. Metal and horror definitely go hand in hand, you know. Yeah, I agree. Well, all right. That was it, man. We're done. Amazing. So if I haven't convinced you out there to go listen to Goblin, I don't know what else to do. I don't know what else to do. If you're a fan of 70s rock, like these albums are kind of almost like hidden gems. You know, like if you haven't, if you haven't heard of him before, like they're just amazing. You could put them right up there with other great prog rock groups from that era. And then if you're a horror fan and you haven't watched.

any of these films like you know get yourself in the right mindset because they're they're different like these films are different they're they're kind of weird but once you start to watch a few of them you kind of get an appreciation for them for sure definitely there's all the world you know and if you're if you have a i think it's called tubi if you have the tubi app on your apple tv or your chrome cast whatever they actually have an entire section devoted to italian uh job films and it has a lot of these. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, which tells you, like,

Tubi is kind of like, in terms of horror, like, they kind of, they get it. I mean, if they made a whole section devoted to that, then that's pretty niche stuff, you know what I mean. Oh, yeah. And a lot of the copyright stuff on Italian horror movies is like, I don't know if

it's just like, just not active, but you can find a good amount of these. If you go through the Argento movies and you're like, I want more of this. Just go on YouTube and like search for Italian Jala movies or horror movies 70s and like I found a playlist once and I saw like 10 movies through this YouTube playlist completely for free hopefully it's still up that's probably why 2B has so many

of them because they're I guess they're just probably the licensing performance is like non-existent or whatever anyway all right well Adrian thank you for joining me tonight this has been great yeah thanks for having me this is so much fun this is Halloween night so everybody out there make choices tonight. You know, don't do anything stupid. But yeah, if you need, if you need a film to watch, we just gave you like four or five recommendations. You know, maybe start with Susperia. That's probably a good entry. Definitely one of the films that he's most well known for. And I think that the Susperia theme song is pretty iconic. So that might be one of their, their better known themes.

So. All right. Well, as always, you can find us on Instagram. If you search for no filler, music podcast will pop right up. We don't update our Instagram, as we like to say around here. It's just kind of there. But you can reach out to us on Instagram. If you have any music suggestions or anything like that,

tell me about an Italian film that I missed, a horror film that I missed. And maybe we'll talk about it next month. So yeah, Quentin should be back on next month's episode, and we're getting close to our year-end wrap-up episodes. So we're going to try to do that again this year where we do an episode a week in December devoted to our top tracks of 2023. So look forward to that coming soon. Thanks again for joining. My name is Travis. That's Adrian over there sitting in for Quentin.

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