No Filler Music Podcast - Kings of Leon - Aha Shake Heartbreak (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Our buddy Mitch returns and we pick up where we left off in our track-by-track deep dive into Kings of Leon's second record Aha Shake Heartbreak. Caleb Followill's lyrical prowess shines brightest on the back half of the record, from not-so-veiled innuendo to in-your-face bravado. Join us as we chat about one of the most formative records of our youth from a band on the verge of mega stardom. Tracklist Kings of Leon - Soft Kings of Leon - Razz Kings of Leon - Day Old Blues Kings of Leon - Four Kicks Kings of Leon - Velvet Snow Kings of Leon - Rememo Kings of Leon - Where Nobody Knows Ben Kweller - Dollar Store (feat. Waxahatchee) Kings of Leon - Talihina Sky This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Product availability varies by region. See app for details. Hi, I'm Mike Judge, and you're listening to the Pantheon Network. Welcome to No Filler. Welcome to No Filler. I'm Travis. and we're going to just jump right in here, pick up where we left off on our conversation with our buddy Mitchell about Kings of Leon's aha shake heartbreak. On part one, we stopped at track six, The Bucket.

So we're going to jump right into Soft, the very next track. And we're going to talk about the subject matter, everybody. So strap in because it's about to get NSF Dubbs. in here. All right, here we go. I used to see every day I dance around your folks. The strokes are back for sure in that song. I was going to say that the way he sings it in the last line,

that is straight up youth and young man. That's the first time I think he sounded just like he did in that first record. Yes. And as I carries the way he sings, it delivers it because it's like, is he joking? Is he like heartfelt about it? He's talking about having, you know, you know drinking too much you can't tugging you know things that you know how far we're going to

talk about this right i mean we all get it but it's also like it's but it's more to me it's more he's he's saying he's soft it's not just that about a physical you know in the moment type thing or anything i think it's bigger he's saying like yo i'm passed out here in your garden i recognize i'm here somewhere beautiful but i'm soft man i can't i don't know what else to do now right this is as far as i go with it right exactly and there's it goes deeper like i'm It's fucking, it's so good, dude. But yeah, it's about, apparently it's about cocaine dick. Yeah, of course it is.

Cotein is what they're saying. I didn't want to take that because it is y'all's podcast. Apparently, it's about cocaine. It was more about whiskey dig if I wanted to be. I mean, that's the classic original probably. Whiskey day. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of cocaine imagery in the song.

I left your nose of bleeding. Yes, absolutely. Dude, yeah. He says blood twice. I didn't realize that until we were just listening first. Sure, dude. The juxtaposition of all that and then, like, talking about perfect nipple and painted fingers and nails, you can just, you're there. You see it.

You see it. Bohemian dancing. Like, you're at this, you're at this intimate party, but, but buddy, it's not, it's going to end the way you want it. Just like the song, kind of. He's not able to come to the party is what he's saying. But it's so fucking cool, man. It's like, it's not like a frustrated solo or guitar or music. It's still cool and slick.

Yeah. It wants to be like, you know, it's there. But it's also, it's cool because it's tongue and cheek. I think it's very self-aware. Yeah. And also, like, you know, who gives a fuck? I'm so, that's the party tonight. We're on to the next.

We're on to the next track next, right? It's not, yeah, but. But I think that's what I, dude, that's what I've always loved about his lyrics. Like, he's not afraid to, he goes from like a song about talking about, you know, his brother. Like, you know, struggling with like, you know, attention and fame. Yeah. To like, yeah. Talking about cocaine dick.

I mean, if you want, I mean, let's be real, dude, what they were before to what they are now. It's amazing that none of them, that they didn't tear each other apart or that they didn't, you know, die from it all. I know there's a documentary that came out. They must have for a while. And they had to come back around, man. They had it rough for a while, which that happens when you go on tour, especially if you're going on tour with your brothers and her cousin. Oh, yeah. Exactly.

It's, yeah, like you said, dude, it's, it's wild that they're still together. It gets deep. It gets deep because they're family. Yes, indeed. It is funny to think about, like, the previous song, he's like making fun of his brother for getting the shakes and getting blushing and stuff. I don't want to say making fun. I think he's teasing him. Yeah.

I think he's a little light. But on the next song, he's like, I can tease myself too, dude. I'm under soft. Yeah. Yes, dude. Right. Yeah. Totally.

That's awesome. Let's move on to Raz. I fucking love this song, dude. All right, there we go. That wasn't a single, but I guess it's kind of a unique, you know, a little intro there. It'd be hard to get the whole song in on a radio player or whatever. That bass. I can act like I know.

Yeah, the bass line, the drums kicking it off. The drums are great. Awesome. Yeah. Perfect song, man. Perfect little song. It really is. That's a perfect Kings Leon's song.

If you're going to show anybody, it doesn't matter what record that one right there. Yeah. Good call. Because the way he sang in, he paints the picture with his bugle boy overalls or blue jeans or whatever the hell. However you interpret that, that's how I interpret that. Mitch, you'll appreciate this, Mitch. Because Travis, you were never part of the stoner days with Mitch and I, but Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, we, Mitch, we've gotten toasty quite a few times together, man.

And it was that shitty Texas weed. But anyways. Or the smallest amount of some decent shit that you had to finagle out of some fucking dude. We were doing those freaking knife hits, bro. I remember doing a knife with you in Austin, Texas. That's when you know. Doing a what? Yeah, that's when you're desperate, dude.

Yeah, my God. Basically, like, suburban hash. Think of it like that. It was so disgusting. But anyways, I didn't know this about it. So this is an interpretation from some rando ingenious. But I, you know what? It says in verse one, Lord have mercy.

Shake is falling through your hand. You and I both know what he's thinking about. Yeah. Shake. Yeah, that's how, yeah. That's what in my mind. And so, yeah. Totally.

He's like rolling a joint outside a corner store or something. See, I thought he was drinking a milkshake and he's spelt it all over that place. Dude, it could be that. Hey, it could be because it could be. And I like that too. Hey, milk, huh? See, now we're going back to you. Shake.

That's old milky. Milky follow Will. Milk's coming back. Yeah, she's too. She's talking about that girl again. Well, um, well, yeah. So shake is what you call like the, the stuff at the bottom of the, of the bag. Yeah.

The Lucy, you know. Yeah. And if you're trying to roll a joint or something, you drop it on the floor. Like, it says that like Jared was, you know, another way that Jared would get on Caleb's nerves, uh, during like a. smoke session, and he drops all the weed on the floor. But you never know. That's hilarious, bro.

You never know. Also, for me, Raz, the kid was always like Billy the kid. I was thought of it as like a cowboy. Me too. Same. Same. That's amazing. All three of us thought that.

Yeah. I mean, it's his name Raz. It could also be to razze someone is to tease them. Yeah. I mean, they're really teasing the shit out of their kid brother. I guess that tracks. Yeah. But I like to think.

But whatever. You know, it's still cool. It's still cool, bro. And ultimately, like, who gives a shit about some shake dropping through your hands, man? You're just trying to look tough in the corner store for the girlies out there, you know, trying to buy a scratcher or something. So, like, you know, Mitchell, you've got two brothers. We've got an older brother and a stepbrother. Like, that is, I mean, you do make fun of your brothers.

That's what you do. Oh, dude. You're released. Or worse. That's part of the love. Unfortunately, yeah. So, yes, it's there. That it goes to places that, yeah, man, that are unique for sure.

So why wouldn't you write about it and put it on a record? Totally. And it's a slick song, dude. just cool. And now we're jumping to Dale Blues, dude. All right, here we go. Must me a breath in the doctor just in case. They're killing me. Expectation of a drinking.

Those are going to love the way I toss my hair. Boys are going to hate the way I sing. Yeah, as much as the record is like self-aware and tongue and cheek and whatever you want sexy. and cool, slick, that song. I think they opened up. Surely he had to open up about stuff in his life. Somebody's sick, a child that was sick. I mean, some of the last song,

remember that song is, I think, about a personal incident in their lives. Like, my God. I feel like maybe he felt like he had to get it out, man. Totally. Why not, dude? So stay sane. And in such a beautiful way, dude. They're singing, bro.

I mean, the blues have been done so much, especially by white guys. that's been done so much, bro, and a way to carve out a unique, like, heartachey blues sound, but that's still like that, he nailed it for me. But it's still got that country twang. Yes, bro. I've been waiting.

That's a whole different animal. We can, that's a whole can of worms, yeah. I did want to bring, I did want to bring it up, dude, because Mitchell, you're, you listen to country. Country has been in your life forever. Yeah, massively. Yeah. And that's kind of the, that's, that's, that's,

in the room. It's like they kind of stepped away from that sound on the first one, that Southern Rock, borderline, you know, country and western vibe, uh, for sure. But it's just, it's whatever, dude, it's a welcomed fucking progression to me because it's just so goddamn cool. And like, it's real time. I mean, being self-aware about your little brother's struggles, putting out, you know, intimate songs about, I think people that are sick in your life. That's what I mean from this song, but we talk about sad, beautiful, heartfelt song, man. Yeah, I mean, off the record, we talked about towns van Zand. You know, stuff like that.

Oh, dude. That kind of brings me, reminds me of him. Yes. And that's great. That's a beautiful segue. I mean, he's the pinnacle of writers when it comes to country and western for me. Yeah. And there's a line in there, peach, peach Christmas light spitting German ling.

Just those words just said aloud sound so beautiful to me. I don't know exactly what he's talking about. I think he's talking about like spitting German lingo, you know, like. I think he's talking about a time that he was maybe in Germany or just a time he was somewhere. and he's remembering Christmas lights that have a peach glow. Yeah. Maybe the people around this have a German accent or some kind of flavor about it. It's German.

I don't know, bro, but it's just beautiful. And just the way it rolls off the tongue is just so, it's just awesome, dude, awesome. All of it. The song is so beautiful. And the baby with manlike lung. I mean, that all just sounds like old, creepy, like sad songwriting, man. Yeah, smell her crying. fighting back a fever mad as hell give up so yeah it could be somebody somebody in the family or

something like that like had a fever and day old blues man i mean what is that how do you how do you feel about that like what is it's just one day so it's just constant blues i don't know man i mean for me it's all about the blind horizon blues i'm right boys yeah nice nice plug yeah god damn right dude yeah so like shout out to josh if he's listening another incredible drummer in that band um Yeah, right. But yeah, if we if we want any more proof that like he said in that interview that he's he's speaking his own language. Like I think peach Christmas lights spitting German. Yeah, bro, exactly. What is that? What is that?

That's like Bob Dylan level. I'm imagining him as like my therapist and he says that and he's like, now what do you think of? First thing you think of. And I'm like, oh, a Christmas tree in Germany. I'm a German tree. You're singing me, sir. And it's beautiful and sad.

And there's a peach glow everywhere. That's what it does to me, dude. And he just said words. I mean, it's just like a goddamn wizard, dude. It really is. So we talked about like how after milk, the bucket is like a quick. pick me up like that's exactly what happens next so here comes four kicks dude quick and dirty i mean we got a risk just playing the whole song dude we can't fade out on yeah yeah fair enough dude

if spotify takes it down whoopty freaking do you man yeah i mean oh what an awesome song dude you know what spotify i'm about to get my guns from the south dude yeah i'll be loving you under my shoe verse two verse two is so freaking great man i love the way he says uh there's some of that no filler humor I fucking love, dude. I love verse two, dude. The whole verse is fucking great. This party is overrated. There ain't shit tells to do.

I love the way he says that. Shit tells you. Yeah. She's a loving on the boy from the city. This party's ophirated. He carries it, you know? He's got to put, emphasizes, yeah, like, hey, this is real bad, dude.

Then when y'all think it's cool, but it ain't. This is stupid salt on it, dude. Yeah. Yes. Some twine, a little bit of seasoning. Awesome, dude. But yeah, dude, Quentin, you're about to say, she's loving on the boy from the city. I'll be loving him under my shoe.

I mean, you're going to start curbs. They had to have problems with, like, socializing because they were probably only around each other. And, you know, people that were in that Pentecostal Holy Roller church scene. Yeah. And their dad who's like basically a grifter moving from state, you know, so. Oh, they were outsiders. Meteorric. They were outsiders.

Total outsiders. Yeah. I mean, he's self-aware in the other song, you know, girls are going to love the way I toss my hair and boys are going to hate the way I see. It's like he knows that he finds no, there's nobody he can relate to because who the fuck is like on there? Who's like, oh yeah, I remember playing in a church three years ago

for nobody with snakes and it was hot as fuck. And now you're playing in stadiums around the world. There's nobody like them, did. You know, getting screamed at in Japan. Like, remember they had a huge, I think there's a, they had a big fucking outing in Japan, maybe a press junket or something that was, or a tour specific in Japan where they got,

specifically super popular over there too on this record. Yeah, there's a there's a YouTube video of them playing in Japan and it's, there's a, it's like the Beatles, bro. It's like that level of like insanity. If you can, if you find it on YouTube, try to find the, the video of him playing tranny live in Japan. Fucking crazy, dude. All right.

All right. We're back. We have, yeah, my computer received four kicks, or maybe Quinn's computers. And so we had to stop the recording and then start it again. But here we are. So we're back. We hopefully, hopefully you heard us talking about four kicks a moment ago. If not, just use our imagination.

But yeah, so we're going to move into, we only got three tracks left. So we're nearing the home stretch here. So this next song, I think, is another song about fighting. It's called Velvet Snow, which my interpretation has always been Blood in Snow. You know what I'm saying? Velvet Snow. All right, here we go. Yeah, I know that song probably, when I first heard it was, I was just like confused.

Really? It just assaults you, dude, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's super fast, man. And it does. I never got the kind of dark implication. But when I hear Velvet Snow, I think more of a texture, not a color. And he's like walking through it, like, it's thick.

I don't know. And then he's talking about dancing. And, you know, they're like getting out of it. I think that at the beginning. And he's saying, you're going too fast, but I'm so slow. I'm trying to catch up here. I think he's touching again back kind of his, you know, more kind of,

I don't always want to be this crazy rocking fucking never-stopping type thing. Yeah, I'm just, you know, sometimes I want to slow down and make a whatever, or just saying it, whatever, maybe that's too much. But, but yeah, this song is fucking great, dude. You might be right, because, like, you know, velvet. Yeah, velvet is a material, like type of material. It's not necessarily red.

I always think of it as like red, like velvet robe or whatever. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. It can bring up with the idea of like maroon. or purple or blood red. No, but I think you're right, when you look at the rest of the lyrics, it doesn't really seem to be about fighting.

No, not so much. It's more, it seems happier. It's about dancing. Yeah, maybe it's hard to keep up with this shit. Right. Leave it up to me, and I'd just rather be, if you leave you out in the city, he talks a lot about the city versus what is not city

because he's not right in this record, which is cool as fuck, I think, because it's like some, because they were just so sheltered, And now he's like, he could see it for what it is. And a lot of it's bullshit, boys, that kind of lifestyle. And I think he's singing about it in the tongue-of-cheek type way. Like, yo, I want to.

I'm in your garden, but I'm soft, you know. I'm out here. You can dance in the velvet snow all you want. But sometimes I ain't that fast or whatever, you know. Right. You got to slow down. City slickers, man, they got to slow down. That's right.

They were, they had to been like fish out of water, man. Oh, do you imagine. Like, here, sign here. Here's what you're going to wear. Here's what you're going to ride on. Just, dude, imagine. Imagine them like, I would love to see, you know, them interacting and like hanging out with the strokes. Because like, you don't talk about two different worlds colliding, dude.

Like New York boys. Oh, dude. From my sheltered, you know, private school type vibe. Exactly. To these lads. Yeah, I can't imagine, dude. They must have, yeah, it must have been something. I think it's there.

The influence is there. Is it not? Totally. Totally. For sure, dude. Totally. It's like Bob Dylan's showing, you know, giving the Beatles weed for the first. first time.

I'll thank God. Thank God he did that, dude. I know, right, dude. Yeah, all right, we got two tracks left. This song is technically the last track on the U.S. release. All right, well, here we go. All right, we're memo.

It's funny, because, like, the music almost feels like a, something you hear on a carousel or something. Yeah, it's like the most sad, what do you call it, Lullaby. It's like the most creepy sad lullaby. I'm not creepy. It's not creepy at all, really, but it's certainly. It's, it's, it's kind of unsettling. Yeah. At the end there, it had, it almost had like a Queens of the Stone Age outro, like on a, on a weird, like, you know, when they were in their kind of lullabies era, weird, you know, I was picking up on little twinges of that on some of the stuff in this record, just the tiniest bit.

That's a record we could, the three of us could talk about. Oh, dude. I would love to talk about that one. Because that is a genuine no filler. Yes. And we did. songs for the dead for the deaf yeah that's all that's all we that's all we've done yeah for well that's their slickest i mean that's the that's the goddamn masterpiece dude yeah that's the starry night in the lube that motherfucker exactly exactly did so yeah i get that trap it's certainly and it's sad well i don't know what the hell happened somebody's gone to jail for the life or something i'm assuming murder or uh worse i who knows dude they're going to hell

dude by the end of it they're going to hell his by his beliefs for sure dude the dripping be Beards, all that. It's just, again, to stress how, like, he just paints pictures in my mind, dude. It don't matter how many times I've heard it. It's there, like, the first time. And having seen him, that helps you could picture him. They were all such studly dudes with long, you know, healthy beards. You can just imagine them clambering onto a plane after having all this fun.

And then now something horrific has happened. I don't know what. Maybe it relates to their dad. I don't know, man. I really don't know. I imagine that relationship isn't the healthiest, but I ain't trying to judge. or assume anything about that. I mean, they made their band after them.

I'm sure they have nothing but at the end of the day, nothing but love for it. But man, what a heavy song to seemingly end on. Yeah, that's how they close the record. Yeah, that's how it's closed. And boys, do you remember I wanted to touch on this? Because we brought it up when we talked about this. That whole record was cool.

It was hidden with shit. There was a hidden picture under the CD holder where you clipped the CD in. If you pop that out, do you remember, there was a picture of them as young boys, like on a couch and like goofy fucking like hand-me-down type you know 70s 80s clothing you can tell it was an old photo everything was brown and corduroy

that was something hidden under there they stress a lot their first record had like a really slick embossed family tree on the front that you couldn't really see unless you tilted it right or felt it and had family engraved on it I mean that's like a motif

and massive they can't deny that because they're obviously three brothers and a cousin so yeah the record had all kinds of secret shit on it and I don't necessarily remember hearing this song when it came out either I don't until but I did hear it later It's been in my circle of Kings and Leon top songs for a long time. This song is just fucking cool, dude.

It's just cool. All right, here we go. So this is the, technically the last track on the UK release. The song is called Where Nobody Knows. My shoe pulling at a rock with the rock don't compromise. Come up to me, say, why you're so skinny and pretty for a boy? Say, thanks for the insults and compliments. You never forget my face no more.

little second to break you so I'll be dropping you I know nobody know sing at all You hear some of my feet to barking like a fucking dog sticking on a cool in this all Take a foil So I'll be job You know some fucking asshole record dude's like hey man I think we need to just end here on this last song

And we don't need this Well so okay so I actually said it was the last track Technically it was a bonus track So I misspoke So remember it was the last track on the UK record too but I guess they may have had a hidden track or bonus track or I'm like that. Very cool. And that's a perfect in-between of the first record in this record, I think.

Yeah, yeah. And the reason that it rang a bell is because I was listening to this a few days ago, I just forgot. And you and I were texting about it. Remember we were like, what do you think the lyrics are about? And it seems like my interpretation of it was that it's some perspective. The narrator is about to kidnap and go kill a girl. But maybe I'm just like twisted dude because I don't know. I'll be dropping you where nobody knows.

Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Like, he was going to go kill this girl and then. There's a nefarious implication there if you. It seems like it. Yeah, for sure. But I also think, I mean, again, the city is like something that he writes about so much is this thing that scares him. And like he doesn't agree with.

And he's talking about, I think, a girl from the city there. And she's saying, he's so skinny for a boy. And they were, when they come out, they were like skinny little, you know, all that almost like heroin chic type vibe. But, you know, you can't as much as you don't. So I know that gets to a kid. when you hear that your whole fucking life. And it's like, it doesn't matter how skinny I am for a,

or pretty I am for a boy, blah, I've heard that a million fucking times come up with something better. I don't know if it's like a scorned love. But yeah, dropping you where nobody knows is, at the very least he's going to take this chick,

Jessica somewhere, and it's going to be really inconvenient for her to get home. I know that. She's going to be on farm road, FF and fucking highway whatever, right? Like, where nobody knows.

And she might be above ground or she might be below ground, but, but, uh, yeah, dude. And I think that, yeah, if you want to, I think it's a little more lighthearted ultimately. But yeah, if you want it to be that way, absolutely, Trev. That's such a cool song, man.

It's just so slick. It's just in and out and cool. It just oozes coolness, just like the rest of the record, man. Just cool as fuck. It is a cool way to, I think it's even cooler way to end the record than Rememmo. I agree. I mean, because it's on the record as a bonus track. So wherever you want to pepper it in, but it just vibes out better.

Remimo is so sad. So you remember this is circling back to the first track Because we you know we talked about like that that that outro and slow night so long Yeah Yeah So apparently that's that is It's considered a separate track It says on Wikipedia here

It's an unlisted hidden track titled too good to tango Which is some of the lyrics in that which is interesting I always just that we always just thought it was the outro of the song Man I wish I'd hung on all my CDs but like a crazy asshole I never did Sand did. And I think I remember the liner notes now having a separate section with the lyrics in that, like it was divvied off into its own, was to be kind of... And you know, there's like a touch of like some kind of conceptual, like, something with that in this record that I think they're trying to, like, dabble in.

It's not a concept record by any means. But, but maybe to them it is, because it's just to them and the concept is, it's two words. It's aha shake, or three words, heartbreak, right? That's the vibe of the whole... Three words, yep. So maybe it kind of is, but then nobody. Everybody's ever come out and said that. I'm not saying that's my take ultimately. I mean, there is definitely, there's a thread throughout the whole album.

Right. And there's a thread and pacing to it. And even just the way that there's little things hidden in the liner notes and the art and, uh, I mean, it's just so cohesive that I can't but take it at face value like all at once. Yeah. It's a fucking phenomenal record, man. I mean, now that I go back, I haven't listened to it in so long like from start to finish like this. Dude, I had neither. I'm not going to lie when, uh, King of the Rodeo came in. That shit was fucking. Brow. That might be like blasted to outer space because that song, I mean, King of a Rodeo, dude. Yeah. It's the way that guitar slides in and everything. Yes, dude. Yes. And the way he's singing about, let the good times roll and all that. Yeah, man. And then, I mean, one, two, three. And then three, the aha shake, heartbreak singing about it, like, it makes it more clear when it seems like gibberish.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah. This song, like, just takes me back to that time in our lives, for sure, man. Indeed. Bro, I blinked and it happened. In 2005, something from 85 would have surely been like something from Depeche Mode or fucking, you know, men with hats or something. 20 years ago, man. That's insane, dude. That's wild. So here we are. 20 years later, boys. 20 years later, I'm going to use this as a segue to be what you all been heard because this is the one that I've been most stressed out about. Oh, yes, sir. Yeah. Bro, I've been losing sleep over what song. I have a playlist called Aces that I've just been shuffling around trying to figure which one I would send and the one I brought. I'm going to go first. Well, actually, it's just going to be you, dude. That's how we do it.

That's how we do it when there's a guest. So yeah. So yeah, we always let... Oh, cool, dude. Well, thank you. So we always let our guests bring a song as they're what you heard at the end of our episodes. Cool. Yep. And this is, I wanted it to be genuine because there's other songs that I want to discuss with you all that I want you all to, for a lack of a better way to describe it, know that I'm listening to them because I want to know that y'all are listening to them now because they're incredible.

And I need to know when I hear that solo that Travis has heard that solo and when I hear those words that Quentin has sung along with those words, right? But that's a whole different playlist. The one that I bring it today is a song that shout out to my younger brother, Tucker, Teabum. This one is for you, man, because you send it to me. And it's definitely one that I've been what you heard because I only got it a few days ago. And it's a song by Waxahatchee, which I'm not sure how to spell that fully. I know that's like a named after a river or a territory of an area that this singer-songwriter is from. And I don't even really know many songs by her.

And I don't even know many songs by the guy that's featured on the track, indie fucking legend. Ben Queller. I'm yeah, spells spacing on his name. Ben Queller, yeah, I think he's even from DFW area, which is fucking cool. My final shout out, DFW, no promises on that. Ben Queller, yeah, so two artists I don't really know a lot about. So thank you, Teabon, for sending me the songs. A beautiful song is called Dollar Store.

It's got a really great ending. We'll have to probably play the whole thing. I hope it doesn't get flagged, but the ending is probably the best part in the lyrical content I love. Awesome. And just the vibe. It takes me to a place. And I think it's nice of, and very Kings of Leon adjacent.

You know, those dudes probably grew up. and fucking dollar generals eating pork rinds and cheese whiz. Oh yeah, dude. So it kind of, I think, fit with that general kind of, you know, Southern American independent rock and roll for, for. Let's do it, Tribe, you got it? We stay inside, cross-legging on the bedroom floor. She's sipping on a drink complaining, begging on. I'll meet you at the dollar store.

Yeah, she's looking at the expiration. All that you want them all. It's raining. Cross-legged on the bedroom floor. She's sipping on a drink complaining. Begging on me for a simulation. I'll meet you at the dollar store. She's looking at the expiration.

All that you want. Yeah, cool track, dude. Kind of like Weezer vibes at the end there. like a weasermit I was getting some like vibes a little bit at the beginning Yes I can hear

Oburst yes at the beginning totally I haven't thought about Ben Quiller in a while man a long time I never gave him the respect he deserves apparently the dude was he's like an indie sweetheart

Yeah That really yeah Indy being indie I'll uh So I'll throw in another name I was reminded of in the chorus Jeff Tweety of Wilco Yes

Oh dude yeah Great company Tweety's the fucking man Travis, I'm telling you, bro, you like country. It's just Texas alt-country stuff. Well, here's the thing, dude, we've had this conversation a bajillion million times. You know, when we were in high school, I used to think Emo was Fallout Boy, that kind of music exclusively. Oh, dude, I've taken that journey with y'all.

You've taught me so much about, yeah, dude, yes. Or it was like some of the screamo bands from first and all that crap. Every time I die. Yeah, specifically that. Right. It's not just that. Jimmy E World is Emo, right? And I just never fucking knew it.

But anyway, so maybe that's what you're telling me is that like, I do like country. I'm not labeling. Yes, there's trust me, buddy. There's part of the umbrella that you are definitely. Yeah. Dude, I'm loving it, man. It's protecting me from the rain right now. It's almost like you like the version of IDM but for country.

You like Intelligent. There you go. I'm telling you that's what it is. Because you have a, you might not even have known it, but the acquaintance grows up again. Am I? No. No. No.

Oh, no. You're good. That was great. We started talking about Congress. I was just so. I was just so. He was just so much. Dude, you looked like you were frozen.

Well, yeah, thanks for let me bring that, boys. Thank you for let me bring that song. It's a cool song, dude. Yeah. Shout out to Tucker, man. Yeah, man. Shout out T-bone. Shout out B-Man, too.

That's a new track, 2025. Yeah. Yeah, he keeps me in the loop on that shit. Tuck definitely has his ear to the ground when it comes to like, Boney Vair and these artists, like, I don't know shit about Waxi Hatchie. And she's like making moves right now. Ben, Quiller is, is collaborating with a bunch of people. Dude, I looked into it.

Apparently his son died. His son was a musician. He lives in like the Austin area, Quentin in like Dripping Springs. Oh, shit. You know, it's near Austin, Trave. And yeah, his son died from some fucking tragic shit. Odeed or something horrible. I don't want to throw that out there or anything because it might be wrong.

Respectfully say that. Yeah. So I think he's doing like a collaborative album of tracks that his kid left behind. Oh, wow. I think that might have been wrong now. I don't know. I mean, the lyrics make me think it is living in a simulation, meet me at the dollar store, you know, hanging out with somebody's bored all day.

I don't know. But yeah, that song's great, dude. And what a way to put yourself out there after, I mean, the worst form of loss. That's probably super therapeutic form to be like, I'm going to take this stuff that my son was working on and, yeah, put it out there. There's another famous country artist named Steve Earle. Steve Earl has a famous song called Copperhead Road Trab that you probably heard. But anyhow, his son died from the overdose. I can't speak to that because I do know all the facts there.

And anyhow, yeah, that's. And he's done that. He did a collaborative album with people of unreleased songs of his. kiddo that yeah had to be i mean my god they talk about a journey so how do we wrap this up gentlemen where do we go from here i don't know man yeah thanks for let me do the outro yeah yeah let me do a let me do a uh what you heard sometime with absolutely that'll be fun dude and let me work on a let me work on a country and western and americana which is the real term trav that's americana maybe that's what i mean we've never brought that to

well i think it's i think we need to do trust me it's i think we need to do we need to to do lullabies to paralyze at some point with with oh god i would love that too traf because we can talk about some heavy shit and quentin i know as much as trav thinks he doesn't like country and western americana quentin you think you don't like heavy metal trust me buddy there's heavy metal that you yes it's just a lot of times quentin will be like is this metal and i'll be like yeah dude this is fucking metal bro yes dude yes it's been metal yes it's not just dude turns out we were metal the whole time yeah it's not it's not it's not all my sugar man no it's definitely not wide spectrum.

Yeah, dude, definitely. So I would love that, gentlemen. And thanks for having me on, and I'm telling you, I wanted to get on. I was real nervous about it. I wanted to get on because I've listened to it a lot. You provided me a lot of entertainment. So I wanted to do my part,

and I would like to do more with you for sure. And yeah, and we'll keep doing this podcast, even if you're the last one listening, dude. Oh, bro. I'll be there. And that's going to conclude our conversation with our good buddy Mitch

about the Kings of Leon's second record. Aha, shake heartbreak. and I just wanted to play some Talahina Sky for you the hidden track from their very first record, Euth and Young Manhood. To close us out, thanks as always for listening. I'm Travis. Y'all take care.