No Filler Music Podcast - Raw, Visceral, Mysterious: The Breeder's Pod (with guest Nathan Forster)

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

Shortly after Doolittle, bassist Kim Deal needed an outlet to channel her creative energies in ways she wasn't able to under Black Francis' firm grip on the Pixies' songwriting process. So she formed a supergroup called The Breeders, teamed up with producer Steve Albini, and cranked out their debut record Pod in just 10 days. The result is an unapologetically straight-forward indie rock album that feels like an urgent expression of raw emotion and energy from a pent-up songwriter who had a hell of a lot to say. Join us as we chat about The Breeders album that came out before "Cannonball" made them a household name among rock fans. Tracklist Hellbound Cannonball Doe Iris Opened Lime House This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to No-Filler. I'm Travis. And joining me again is Mr. Nathan Forster. How are you doing, sir? Good to see you. I've seen your face twice this month, dude. And it's never enough. No complaints, you know what I mean? Like, I could, I could get used to this. Yeah, I mean, I get to see myself every day in the mirror. That must be amazing.

It's not bad. There's no complaints here. But here's the thing, though. What I don't get to see is what's out that window in front of you. Like, you're literally like in the middle of the woods, right? Yeah. Or am I just making that up? Okay.

No, no. If I look out, I can probably, uh, I can start counting bunny rabbits. Counting by the time. So you have enough to count because I mean I get maybe one at a time here in Texas, outside my window at least in the suburbs. But you have multiple bunny rabbits to count. I mean, that's just something else right there.

It is. There's so much that actually it's become a kind of ritual that every time that we let our dog out, I have to bang on the window to let them know that there's a dog about to. was the dog about to come out. And I sometimes, usually that gets them. They've kind of gotten used to that. But then I also have to open the door holding him and yell, run rabbits, run. So.

So you're giving them plenty of heads up here. You're giving him knocks. And then you're giving him a verbal warning too. Yeah. Well, he did catch one one time. And it was like the tiniest little baby rabbit. He didn't. Fortunately, he just picked it up.

And I was close enough to give him a little kick on the butt. And he dropped it. I mean, we tried to like make amends by giving them vegetables and, you know, carrots are around the, they live under our shed. And, you know, we just kind of put the vegetables around there. Kind of like, you know, we're trying to keep the peace here. Sorry about our dog. Yeah.

You've done, I feel like you've done all you can do, Nathan. Thanks, bud. I appreciate that. Okay, so today we are talking about the Breeders, 1990 debut record Pod. So when we were doing research for our Pixies episode and we covered Do Little, I found out that Kim Deal, who is the bass player and backup singer for Pixies, did this side project called The Breeders, which went on to become very well known with their record,

Last Splash, which came out in 93, I believe. And, you know, everybody, I think, if you're around, you know, if you're in our age group, or if you've watched any number of, you know, 90s entertainment that featured the song Cannonball, you know who the breeders are, right? Because that's a huge song that everybody knows. Yeah, if you've ever shopped at a Trader Joe's or like a cooler grocery store, you've probably heard Cannonball. And, yeah, it's just one of those 90s songs that's like that, you know,

the list of like 100 best 90s songs. I think it's probably on there, right? It's just one of those songs that everybody knows, right? But anyway, that's the breeders, right? And so I never really went back and listened to their first record. Same. Boy, am I glad that I did? And that's what we're going to talk about today,

because this record is something else, man. It really blew me away the first time I heard it. So let's talk a little bit before we jump into some tunes here. How did we get from Pixies to, the breeders like what what's the story of you know why did kim want to start this side project right from what i can tell lead singer of pixies uh frank black seems like he was kind of a egomaniac kind of dude like he was very controlling of the band and like you know he would go around saying half jokingly probably half not joking that he was like the dictator of the band you know what i mean like he'd be like

I am the pixies. Like he would say something like that. And which, you know, come on. Come on, Frank. You don't got to be that way. Why you got to be such a dick? You know what I mean? But she had her own ideas for songs and stuff.

She wanted to write her own stuff. And they kind of butt heads. And that ultimately led to her wanting to kind of do her own thing, right? And her and her twin sister, which is kind of cool. Oh, I wonder why. I wonder why you think that's cool. I don't know if you guys know this no-filler audience, but I'm a twin. You know it because we remind you every week.

But now, obviously, you know, I'm a twin. And I feel like I'm just, you know, even more connected to the band now, you know, because it's twins making music together. But her and her twin sister Kelly deal used to, like, make music and stuff. And the name that they used to refer to themselves as was, the breeders. So that's the origin of the name, the breeders, right? But Kelly was not part of the band yet. So she did ultimately join, but it sounds like she wanted to make some music. She wanted to take a break from Pixies. And so the earliest formation of this band, it was Tanya Donnelly of

of throwing muses, Josephine Wiggs of the Perfect Disaster, and Britt Walford on drums of the band Slent. So this was a super group that she had kind of formed to make this music together. She was given $11,000 from the record label 4 AD, and they recorded this record in 10 days, which is pretty impressive. I think you hear that in the record, right? Like you can tell like there wasn't much time spent on this record because it has that very like raw kind of feeling to it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's it's the, you know, when you send me the album and, you know, I was in shock that the breeders had an album before Last Splash. I put it on immediately. I was like, this is definitely Steve Albini for sure. And I checked it out today. Sure enough, it is. but that's like his his style is to just like I think I think they did like two takes per song like he has like a two take rule and the song has to be recorded together as a band

there's no like separate tracks so it's like okay here's like one take and two takes and if you don't get on in second take then there's going to be problems so okay so that's his style right so apparently he's also known for like his the drums sound that he's able to get. That was what, yeah. Is that what that's, if you listened to, um, see like the like Surfer Rosa and PJ Harvey, rid of me, I think it's the name of the album, uh, in utero, even though in Euro was like, um, I think, I think edited differently afterwards, but still recorded with Albini. Yeah, it's that drum sound, which I've always thought is just like one of the, one of the best drum sounds. It's just so

meaty. Yeah. Well, to that point about in utero, the reason that Cobain wanted Steve Albini was because Cobain found out that Albini produced this record pot. So Cobain was such a fan of this record that he wanted the producer to make the album that would follow Nevermind, right, which is huge. All right. I think we've teed it up nicely here. So let's listen to some tunes. Actually, what I wanted to do first, because we do this every once in a while. So sometimes it's fun to listen to a song that a band is most known for before you go back and listen to like the origins, right? So let's listen to Cannonball real quick. Okay. All right. And so now if you're out there and you're listening and you're like, I don't know who breeders are,

Maybe I think I know what Cannonball sounds like. Well, here it is. Here's that song that everybody knows. For the listeners that were born after 2000, here's Cannonball. And don't go to cool grocery stores. Right. Exactly. This is that thing that you hear in that cool grocery store that you sometimes go to.

This is the song. Here it is. All right. Again, so this is Cannonball by the Breeders. There it is. That song that you've heard a mygillion times. just by existing in in pop culture you know you have heard that song right i mean it's just one of those songs it's been used in movies before tv shows you name it it's even been on a Nissan

commercial apparently yeah what would be would be considered um i guess if you call them a one hit wonder that would be the one yeah exactly that's the one that they're most known for but that's that's the breeders. And I think after hearing that song and then hearing the rest of the songs we play today, you're going to be like, that's the same band, really? Because it really does, I mean, it's two different styles, like completely, I think, you know. Yeah, two different mindsets of recording. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, the band did change members between the two records. So, I mean, it literally is different musicians too. I mean, not obviously.

There are some crossovers, but I mean, Kelly, her twin sister, had joined by that point. So she was the guitar player. They had a different drummer. Looks like the bass player was the same. But yeah, so it's, you know, a different makeup. But anyway, yeah, they probably had more than 10 days to record this record, right? And that's probably why it sounds, you know, not the same, right? Not as like raw and like just.

And that's what I like about pot. So let's play the first song from Pod because now you have all the information you need. So let's play. Okay, so I'm going to play the second track off the record. This song is called Do. That was it. That was the whole song. Dude, I love the drum sound and that.

So good. He's just, he's notorious for that drum sound. I think he puts like microphones on the side of the wall. so that catches, it like immediately catches that echo, but it's in like a, like more like a natural kind of drum sound. Nice. But I read that they recorded this in Edinburgh, which wasn't Albany Studio in Chicago.

So apparently he can do this wherever he wants. So he can take that, you know, those skills, you know, can travel. What I thought, you know, something I thought that was interesting is that like on the Pixies, Kim is the bass player. With the breeders, she plays guitar. You know, I just, you know, she's a multi-instrumentalist. Like she can do a bunch of different things. I just thought it was interesting that she gave the base duties to somebody else, you know,

because I love that baseline in this track. Josephine Wiggs. I'm going to shout out that name again. So, again, she was from the perfect disaster when she played base on this record. So she was, you know, actively a member in another band. And now I feel like I'm going to have to go check them out because I like that bass. Yeah. So it's like Taylor Hawkins, like Johnny Fu Fighters, and there's an established drummer in the band who is like known for being an amazing drummer.

Being one of the best drummers of all time, yeah. Yeah, and Kim Diel being known for being an amazing bass player. I would assume there's a little pressure there. You got to have your chops up. Yeah, especially because I mean, you know, they had another drummer before Taylor. joined and I want to say that on color and the shape, Dave went back and like re-recorded all the drums because he wasn't happy enough with, I mean, can you talk about a slap in the face? If you're the drummer, you're like, I mean, you're right. Obviously, you could do way

better, but you don't got to re-record everything, man, you know? I would feel like if I was the drummer, I would be like, you know what? This is Dave Grohl we're talking about. Go ahead. You know what? You go head, you give me a little credit. That's fine. Yeah, just give me a mention in the lighter notes. And, you know, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be about heard about it. But I guess they, they did actually have quite a conflict with that. So I heard. Yeah. You know, I've won't some documentaries about the band. So I know. But have you read the book? Haven't read the book. I don't know if there's any books. No, I don't know. I'm sure there. I mean, I know he wrote, he's got like autobiographies and shit. He wrote some book about it, like,

with his mom, I think. Really? Yeah, there's a book that like either his mom wrote it or he wrote it with his mom or something like that. But it's basically about like why you should let your kid drop out of school, maybe a rock star or whatever. Because that's, you know, his mom let him, you know, drop out of school like before he even graduated high school to go pursue rock. And obviously that was one of the best decisions ever made for humanity in general, I think. I mean, easy for her to say her son was Dave Grohl. Yeah, right. How did everybody son is Dave Grohl, Mrs. Grohl?

Okay. You know, if that reaches one person that ends up being like another amazing drummer, then sure. But for the other million people that read the book and drop out of school that probably shouldn't be doing that, I'm not sure. That's a great message. It's not going to be, it's not going to end as well for you as it did for her. Yeah. Anyway, well, how do we get here? Back to the breeders.

Back to the breeders. Yeah. So yeah, anyway, yeah, yeah, it probably was, you know, in that audition room where the bass player's like, okay, I'm going to try out for the bass player for the breeders and I have to play in front of Kim Deal here. Yeah, probably some pressure. But apparently she was already a well-established base player for the perfect disaster. Do you think that she commonly said, look, it's no big deal? I'm going to be disappointed if they didn't make that joke. in the studio like over and over again.

Yeah. Because I would if I was, if I had the last name. Your last name is your last name is self. I mean, there's a lot you can. That's true. You know what? I've heard it all, you know. No, people used to say like Travis Self plays with himself.

I used to hear that one. Oh, that's, that's weird, you know. And you're like, it's true. You're like, I mean, how did you know that? Yeah. It's right around middle school. Yeah. It's a perfect thing.

You know, things just started coming together. I don't know. It's tight. All right. So vastly different sound than Cannonball, right? That song in particular. Yeah. Totally different sound.

But this is 1990 when this record came out. Like, never mind. It hadn't even happened yet, which is interesting. Which is crazy. Yeah. I mean, especially like, I mean, like when Surfer Rosa came out, I mean, I don't remember that obviously. But, yeah.

but I would have been a really cool kid if I remember that. But yeah, it's crazy to think of these albums that, you know, kind of set the stage for Nirvana. Because, I mean, when Nirvana came out with the first album in 1989, I mean, it's good for what it was at the time. Right. You know, the songs were great and stuff. It was just like a different, obviously they changed gears pretty drastically

in a couple of years. years. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, so if Horrosso came out in 88, Doolittle came out in 89. So yeah, you're talking about like the stepping stones to Grunge or whatever. I feel like this record has some of those, some of those like trademarks of Grunge. I feel like the base, the base to me sounds grungy. It sounds kind of Alice and Chainsy a little bit. But yeah, like you can hear how like we very quickly like the Grunge and like Nirvana and the Grunge never mind basically happens and all the grunge, the great grunge records are like right around the corner. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I was looking at that timeline because if last splash came out in 1993, so they kind of, it's weird how the breeders kind of like missed that. I mean, like one year before, if if if that album had to come out in 1992, they probably would have been like a part of, I mean, they are still a part of the whole thing, but it was like just like a tad late. Because there were so many bands that came out in 1992 and 91.

Yeah. And then afterwards it was like, okay, like, I think everybody was like listening to like, uh, referential to, to the past two years of what had like just, you know, transpired. Totally. So they, I'm assuming last splash probably got, um, you know, some like, uh, they're kind of like, oh, well, yeah, this is good, but, uh, it may not be, you know, this isn't never mind or this Oh, man. You know, like, I feel like it must have been tough being in a rock band.

Yeah, like you said, putting out a record in 93, it's like what had just transpired, you know, like you were saying. Yeah, I think it got lost in the mix. I mean, it's an amazing, amazing album. Right. But it's kind of like putting out a record, you know, the same year that the white album came out or something like that, you know what I mean? You might as well just be like, let's just throw on the towel here, you know what I mean? Yeah. I know nothing else that came out in 67 or whatever.

Yeah, right. I know that, what was that group, the zombies? Like they were on this trajectory and then the Beatlemania hit. And then they just, you know, backed it up, basically. Yeah. But anyway, all right. So let's play our next tune here. And we're going to jump down to the last half of the record.

The rest of these songs are coming from, yeah, basically the end. of the record. So in between Doe, the first song we played and this song that we're about to play, just to mention it, because we're talking about the Beatles, they did put out that cover on this record of Happiness is a Warm Gun, which is really interesting. And they do a good job with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. On Spotify, if we go by play counts at least, the Happiness is of Warm Gun cover has the most plays on this record, which is interesting, probably just because it's a Beatles cover, right? Yeah, like people just searching for that song and then pull up that.

Yeah, yeah. All right, so let's jump down to track eight and we're going to play a song called Iris. Where do we start on this track, man? Because I think her vocals is what like delivers the sucker punch, you know what I mean. And there's this interesting little like guitar breakdown thing that happened between the first chorus and the verse two that kind of seemed like this sort of like, something like something that would happen just organically like during a jam session or something like that and yeah hearing you talk about the way that steve you know had bands record like it could have very well been that you know what i mean yeah i think it's like um something notable about that is that uh you don't

really hear that like kind of dead space very much i mean nowadays like uh yeah people people aren't really like as patient, I would say, or at least like in the popular music. I feel like as like as things have like changed, it's like become more like this like, we got to keep your attention. We got to keep your attention or, or you know, you're going to switch it to something else. Totally. You know, you're going to, you're going to bump the jukebox and try to get to the next song. Most people listening right now are like, juke what? What are they talking about? Jukebox. But yeah, man, like that's so true that like, sometimes you got to let the song breathe a little bit.

You know what I mean? Or like that dead space right there is like, well, to me, what makes the song, the song is that the choice to keep that kind of stuff in there. And then her vocal delivery, man, the way that she screams. I mean, it's a very like, yeah, there's a lot of emotion and like raw, rawness in her delivery. And like, knowing that she was kind of, you know, with Pixies, like, she wanted to write her own songs and, like, Black, Frank Black didn't really let her. This is going backwards a little bit. But, like, apparently the tension between them, like, hit, like, a high point, like, toward the end of basically after Doolittle. And, like, Francis is throwing his guitar at her on stage and stuff.

and she apparently like almost refused to play a concert this one time and like that's what led them to basically in this interview the i don't remember this guy which one he is what his role is i could i could look it up but i mean that would take too many clicks here uh santiago okay so santiago was the guitar player so joey santiago in an interview said that basically like cam deal was very like adamant about wanting to include her own songs and Francis was basically like, you know, hard line like, no, like I'm the, I'm the front man of this, you know, band and like, you know, it's my songs or the highway kind of thing, right? So I feel like you are hearing

some of that energy and like pent up like, you know, creativity and stuff like in this record, you know, like this is her like getting to do her own thing, you know? I feel like it comes across for real. Like you hear that emotion, especially in this song, which is kind of cool to think about it. Like if you think about it that way, like this is a songwriter who wasn't able to explore her own ideas and stuff like with the band that she was in. She's like, fine, I'm going to go fucking in 10 days and you just see what I can do in 10 days, you know? I got a twin sister with me. It's going to be dope. But no, the twin didn't join until later. But anyway, I think I'm trying to make. But yeah, you can hear that.

You know what I mean? I feel like you can hear that. Yeah. And I'm, I'm really glad that he was kind of an asshole because maybe she, she wouldn't have done this breeders thing. Exactly. I mean, he's, he's a talented guy, but it's no excuse for that kind of behavior, which is also a little misogynistic. You know, it's a little like, you know, why the, why the female in the group? Now we do that. Now we're getting to the bottom of here, dude. Because that is an interesting conversation to have.

yeah i mean uh i think pixies like they're one of those bands he knows bands where you hear like another singer uh in the band that's kind of doing the backups especially if it's a female singer um and they're just kind of here and there but you want more of it like i feel like they were that yeah you want you want you want you want you want you want to more kim deal yeah yeah yeah she's like you want more i'll give you more yeah comes the briefs here comes here comes the big here comes the big here comes the big here comes the big deal yeah it's about to be a real big deal around here yeah I hope that's how it went down I hope that's what she said to Frank what she was like walking out the door I'm about to become a real big deal Frank so yeah uh okay talking about

about indie bands maybe for a little bit because you know we were talking about grunge and stuff Spooned sounded a lot, had this same kind of energy, like in the early stuff. I don't know if you've listened to some of spoons. Yeah. Early, early stuff, like a series of snakes. Yes. Okay. That had a lot of the same.

And, you know, I think series of snakes came out in like 92, maybe. 98. Okay. Well, it was around the corner. Anyway, like, you know, not just grunge, right? I feel like this was kind of the kind of a hint of like, you know, this wasn't indie band like the breeders was considered an indie rock band they weren't considered a grunge band but like you know this was sort of you know a precursor to the grunge stuff that was around the corner and you know kind of the

2000s era indie bands that we know we all know and love the garage rock bands and stuff like that you can kind of point back to the sound maybe a little bit if you really want if you squinted you know you could kind of you could draw a line i think yeah i feel like uh the strokes did a perfect um Like, there's a bunch of stuff in between the strokes and the original grunge sound, especially like the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, yeah. And stuff that pixies did and Sonic youth. Um, but, uh, it's, it took a while, but, but, it's, it's, it's a lot, but, it's, uh, I definitely think there's, uh, uh, you know, yeah, that transition. It should have been like, the strokes came in in 1995. Yeah, instead of, instead of Bush trying to, trying to, trying to, yeah, yeah, we don't need Bush. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, I feel like we're just, like for some reason, we always end up shitting on Bush for some reason. Every time I'm on here, kid, we just reference Bush and just shit on them for a little bit. Just for no reason. But you know what?

It's because of what he did to Gwen. That's why. Yeah, you're right. Was he an asshole to Quinn? It probably was. Oh, don't get me started. Well, now she's with what's his name? Blake Sheldon.

Blake Shol. I thought was Irvin. Whatever. I don't know my country. music stars. Okay. Oh, you, you don't, you don't love, uh, this is God's country. I'm glad I don't know what that is. You're not, you're not planning on covering that on the podcast. Uh, not, not in the, uh, for the sea of the future. Um, maybe when we run out of Grunge records to cover it. It's a gym. Is it? No, it is not. Okay. I can't tell your bitch. I mean, I know there's

good country music out there. I just, I haven't found it yet, you know? No, yeah. Um, I would say, It ended like in 1980. Yeah, I probably would agree with you on that. Okay, so let's play the next track here. And I think this track was interesting because it has kind of like spoken word kind of vocal delivery, which reminds me of another Kim. Speaking of Sonic Youth, reminds me of Kim Gordon a little bit and the way that she used to do the vocal tracks. So here we go.

This song is the very next track on the record. the song is called Opened Maybe she's referring to herself as the Robin that flies again Maybe maybe Now I don't know where the source is for this But according to genius.com

Which people like It's like open source annotation of lyrics and shit Somebody says that a recurring sexual dream Of the band's drummer Is said to have inspired the lyrics Of this song. I don't know

what their source is because unfortunately they're not giving a source but yeah you know it could be you know there's a lot of things we could try to interpret out of the song i mean i'd love to know the details on that one me too yeah that's detail jk jk i think that's uh probably a good job on them for not uh not not unraveling too much on that yeah because i mean if we read the lyrics um this is one hell of a dream he's like walking on these highways we leave the land and float inside the dark black water. Are we sure this is a sexual dream? I mean, that's what they're saying.

Okay, you know what? People are into some weird stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. Whatever floats his boat. But yeah, Robin flies again, you know, it just makes me feel, you know, maybe like, to me, it seems like the perspective of some, like, prostitute or something who's, like,

trying to escape her situation. Hey, man, I'm just. I'm just looking at the lyrics and they're jumping out of me. But it could also be some weird sex fantasy that this guy's having. I don't know. We're led to believe that this is Britt Walford's sexual fantasies here, whatever the lyrics are of the song. Well, it was my favorite song on this album.

Not anymore. Yeah, let's talk about how amazing this song is beyond the lyrics because what's not to like about it, right? I mean, it's such a dope song. I love that. Yeah, it's crazy. I love it whenever that, you know, it's like subtle. There's a lot of dynamics out of the song.

Yeah. Like whenever that second guitar comes in, or maybe it's just kicking on the distortion pedal. Yeah. And just like, here we go. It's just three chords. Like the sustain or whatever. Yeah.

But what's, yeah, yeah, I think so. See, this is good. I have another guitar player here to help me out. Because I'll say stuff like that to, you know, around Quinn. And he's like, well, maybe. Because, you know, Quentin is a drummer. Oh, I didn't know that. Cool.

Yeah. And I think he actually plays his kit more than I play my guitar. My guitar just sits on my wall. It's decoration at this point, you know. Hey, at least yours is within arm's reach, though, you know. Well, that's what makes it even sadder. It's right here. And it's actually my dream guitar.

It's the one I've always won. And I finally got it. Is that a double fat, Teddy? Is that the term? Look at them humbuckers. That's a telly, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a deluxe.

I've always wanted a telly too, man. That's my, that's my dream of guitar too. Yeah. The one with the F-hole. I've always liked the telly with the F-hole, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like a semi-hollow body. Yeah, and I think it's like one humbucker, one, you know,

the lipstick pickup or whatever. I think that's what they call it. Yeah. cylinder looking thing. Anyway, let's go back to Spoon because this song reminded me of speaking of series of Sneaks. This song reminded me of track two on series of Sneaks, the minor tough, which is my favorite spoon song. Oh, yeah. True fact. That's a great song. Yeah. And it had a lot of the same vibes of this song opened. So I like that this song is, it's just darker in general than the rest of the record. Like it's got this like grittier kind of vibe to it.

lyrically too as we're reading here yeah yeah man this I agree with you this is this is my favorite track on the record as well um it just stands out and yeah everything about it man like I said I can't think of one thing and they can't say about it yeah it really shows the power of just three chords very simple chords too I mean and it's in four four time but what's also cool about it is is the way that they transition. It's like the second verse. So they just kind of give you a little hint of like this, we're rocking here,

but just for a second, it's kind of like a promise to the listener that you're going to hear, we're going to rock out with this a lot more later on. So just wait. Yeah, they're giving you a little tease. Let me give the full Kurt Cobain quote, because one of the things about this record that it's known for is that it was

one of Cobain's favorite records of all time. But here is that his quote, his official quote, on this band. He said, the main reason I like the breeders is for their songs, for the way they structure them, which is totally unique, very atmospheric. And then he says, I wish Kim was allowed to write more songs for the pixies. Dang. Wow. Dang. How do you feel about that, Francis. Did you hear what Kurt just said? But anyway, what more do you need to know? Really?

I mean, this is one of Cobain's favorite records, you know? Enough set. Yeah. Especially it being a precursor to them exploding, you know. It's a very, very direct, you know, because whenever you are recording things, you listen to what you're, you know, it's like what's around at the time. Generally, like, things influence you of what's going on like currently. So I would assume that this album he was jamming out to quite a bit.

Yeah, which is really, really interesting to think about, right? Because, like, if this record in some way influenced Kurt as he was writing, never mind. I mean, that's pretty big deal, you know. It's a pretty big deal. You see what I did there? All right. One more track.

And this song is called. lime house. Is that it? That was it. It's over. No fade out necessary for that one. Oh man. A minute and 45 seconds.

Yeah. So that's a quick one. So yeah, I love the way the drums sort of led us into that second chorus. And it was just like, you know, all out headbanger, right? But man, simple song. But like that, you know, that's what I like about this record. It's just so simple and like just straightforward with like the delivery and everything. You know, it's just like it's right there.

I mean, it's just in your face. Yeah. Like, you wouldn't, like, if you're coming up stuff on guitar and you're just like, bum, bum, bum, ban, nah, nah, nah, I mean, that's a throw, that's a throwaway. Like, you're just like, you're just like getting warmed up. But they're like, no, just do a song. It's like, it doesn't, like, have any kind of, doesn't draw any emotion. It's just a simple, simple riff, like you said.

Yeah, straightforward. Something I, when you're talking about, Beanie, what I think, think is cool about, well, I don't think that it's intentional because I don't think he would ever go for an atmosphere. You know, like I don't, like I wouldn't, I haven't read enough interviews or anything, but I would, I would assume that he's not going for like a vibe. I think that he's going for a sound is what he would call it. But it's such, it's such a vibe in itself. Right. Like that, that song speaks to that where it's just like the simple thing, but it's like,

You know, there's no, like, crazy part that you're like, oh, wow, how do they do that? Yeah. But it's just like, enjoyable to listen to. Yeah, there's nothing to figure out. You know what I mean? About the song, it is just very straightforward. Lyrics are really fun. Yeah, you're not like, oh, I need to look this up on guitar tabs to figure this one out.

Yeah, no, I can probably. Yeah. I haven't touched my guitar in years, and I could probably figure it out in about like 30 seconds. I could probably get that way going on. But yeah, it's still. effective as song. Like there are bands that spend their entire existence and they still don't write a song this good. And it's such a simple song. But yeah, her vocals, man, to me, I think that's what does it for me. It's just her vocal delivery on this record is just so good. It's just so

like raw and like in your face, you know. Yeah. It's just a fucking killer record. And we only played four tracks. You know, there's eight other tracks on this record. So go listen. to it. If we haven't given you enough reason to listen to it, then what do you, what are we doing? Yeah, I feel like, Kim Deal is just one of those people that, like, I wish she would have been more prominent throughout. I guess the breeders got burned out. That's why I read. But I wish they would have stuck with it because I think their next album is like in 2000 or 2002, something like that. Yeah, they definitely, yeah, they had, they had some sort of a resurgence. And I think, I think they've like sprinkled, like, there's been.

releases like throughout but like yeah i think there was a long hiatus like you said like between like the 90s and when their next record came out but you know i think they they tore her and stuff she went back to pixies at some point yeah yeah from what i can from what i understand but um yeah like speaking of like you know i think everybody knows cannonball like we were saying that one song but kim deal should be um maybe more well known right i think a lot of people know kim gordon from Sonic Youth, but even her, she still is not as well known as the Kirk Cobain's and the Lane Staley's and the Eddie Vedders of the 90s rock pantheon of rock stars or whatever. But, you know, that's probably just some, you know, we could talk about misogyny and rock if

you wanted to, you know, do a whole. Oh, yeah, let's have some on that. Yeah, let's get in trouble by saying something dumb, you know. We should try to have a female guest on that episode. But anyway. Yeah. Nobody loves hearing about a misogyny talked by more than two guys. By a couple of white dudes, yeah.

Yeah. But there's something to be said probably about that, you know? Yeah. I'm not going to say anything. I'm just saying there probably has something to be sad about it, you know. I think there is. It was the 90s. It was still, you know, that stuff was rampant.

It was, man. I was watching this documentary. You can watch it on Netflix. It was talking about the 1990, whatever, Woodstock, the Woodstock that happened in the 90s. Yeah. Holy shit. The testosterone that was just like, it must have been just like a cloud, a thick cloud of testosterone that you could just like cut fucking, you know, butter knife or whatever. But man, yeah, it's something about the 90s.

And I feel like grunge is very, yeah, like it's very, there's a lot of testosterone around grunge, the imagery, the lyrics, the sound. So like, yeah. So, you know, you got the breeders put out their debut record at 90. And then the grunge shit happened. I love grunge. I would never call it shit. But the grunge thing happened. And then, yeah, like you said, you know, I mean, they put it.

Then they put out cannibal. But I'm just saying like that sound and maybe why Kim isn't more. all known, maybe because of that, right? Yeah. I mean, I think every good thing comes with a bad thing. You know, like when you, it's typically how trends work, right? I mean, it gets like something's like happens and it's like, good, it's fresh. And then the masses get behind it, people who don't quite understand it, which I would say, I would say it would be like, you know, like this, the band's like stained, you know,

know, like they probably thought that they were like an extension of this, but really they were just ruining music for a while. Or what was another one? Ruining the airwaves. Finger 11, wasn't that a band? Oh, yeah. But, you know, fortunately, you got bands like Evanescence that came around, you know, to really save the day for women. Fortunately, yeah. You're right.

That was, yeah. You go from Kim Deal to whatever her name was, from Abidon. There's probably listeners out there like, I love Evanescence and corn. Corn is great for what corn is. I'm not going to try to bash on corn, but I will bash on Papa Roach I'll be longer. I ain't got no problem. Or Huba Stank, you know, or Huba Stank, yeah. Alien Ant Farm.

There's a bunch of them, man. And they were all over MTV at the time. I remember the videos. It was huge. Yeah, it was like, but in the midst of it, you know, there's bands like, you know, say it, Radiohead, you're still still doing their thing. and there's uh cold play was cool for a little bit during that time parachutes is a great record yeah yeah and the next one was really good too um yeah and and and that's that right

that's basically that was it yeah yeah it was it was it was it was it was it was it was parachutes and then it was rush the blood ahead yeah yeah yeah you know i know you know this by heart. And then what was the next? What was it? X and Y, which did have some good songs. Okay.

Yeah, that's what I remember. X and Y is when they changed. They started to change, right? Pretty pretty. Yeah. And yeah, there were great songs on that record. Right. But then after that, it was like,

well, okay. Yeah, I remember the moment because I was, I was a pretty big Cole play fan at the time. I remember. And, uh, and I remember listening to X and Y. And the song, What If was track two. Like, Square one was track.

was track one on x and y and i was like okay cool this is like a cool like uh you know this is where they're headed great and then what if happened and my my dreams were just shattered um like i i totally wanted them to go the radio head route and clearly they did not uh decide to go that route no they did not and i can't even think about what what it sounds like but i remember that record i remember square one white shadows was interesting yeah speed of sound was interesting those are the Those are the singles too, right? Fiction was a big one. One billion plays on Spotify.

Oh, yeah. Talk was good, but then he like has, you know, he started sprinkling in like, it was like an indication of like, no, we're, we're about to suck. Just to let you know, yeah, he was, he was like, you know, singing stuff like, oh brother, I can't believe, it's true. You know, once you start addressing someone is like, oh brother like you know it's not going to be good you know they're not having it's almost like he was he was giving the true fans like an out you know what i mean like

this is your record to get get off because it's about to get bumpy you know what i mean yeah there's a few a few good tracks but we're going to give you like a hint of what's happening next yeah and i appreciate that heads up yeah thanks chris martin um all right well that was it man we're done we did it we talked about four songs. Yeah. And we gave the the listeners a reason to go check out

the rest of this record. And that's the goal. That's the only goal is to convince you to listen to this record. Yeah. I think we pulled it off.

I think so. I think so. But yeah, we'll have to have you on again, obviously. Like I said, anytime, like I would love to do it.

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Anyway, pantheonpodcast.com. And yeah, that's it. I don't know what the hell I'm going to talk about next week. We'll find out. We will find out, people. And if in a pinch, I might be calling Nathan. back out. And I'll be there. There you go. You heard it here. Nathan will be there.

What's that song? I'll be there, you know, whenever you call me. Oh, I'll be there. Turns out that song was about Nathan. It was about Nathan being on no filler. But seriously, I have no clue who I'm talking to next week or what I'm talking about. So we'll find out next week. We'll all find out together. Could be Nathan. Could be some somebody else might even be quentin he's telling me that he's his his free time is is is coming back so no he's he's he's he's just getting jealous he's like he's like no he's like no this this podcast is taking off too fast uh i'm telling you dude he's going to listen to this episode and be like shit i got to get back nathan stealing my spot you know the fans are going to be like quentin

who we want more nathan that's what they're going to say no we should have We should have you join, you know, the three of us could chat about two. I would love that. Yeah. Literally, anytime it's my word, I love doing this. So please, I'm begging you. Please. I know you're talking me up and stuff.

Please, man. Please, please give me back. You're going to be like sitting there like looking at your phone, like staring at it, like waiting for it to ding with like a text message from me. Yeah. Like, why? It's been three days. why isn't he text me yet for first thing in the morning that's what i check yeah and then i'll

after after a couple weeks i'll be like hey man how are you doing like uh our things like hey man i was just i mean just thank i was i was asked how your cat's doing how sloan's doing you'll just be like you know what man i don't know this is random but maybe you could have me on the show again i don't know just a thought just a thought to you no presh i mean i'm free But no, seriously, we will likely have you on again within the next few weeks. So look forward to that, everybody, everybody out there. In the meantime, like I said, go find us on Instagram. Until next time, I will talk to you guys later.

Again, my name is Travis. And I'm Nathan Forster. And that's Nathan Forster. See how later?