No Filler Music Podcast - Rewind - Dreaming In Slow Motion: The Ethereal Sludge of Doomgaze

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

Ambient drone metal, dream sludge, bliss metal: it goes by many names, but one has finally stuck. The term is "doomgaze", and it's exactly what it sounds like: the reverb-drenched guitars and soft dreamy vocals of shoegaze played at the heavy, sludge-like pace of doom metal. That sound goes back much further than you might think, but didn't catch on until the mid 2010s with a steady rise in popularity ever since. Join us as we explore the dichotomy of doomgaze with a look back at it's history and gaze into its promising future. Tracklist: The Angelic Process - The Sun In Braids Jesu - Friends Are Evil Nadja - Long Dark Twenties Cloakroom - Seedless Star Spotlights - Under The Earth Pencey Sloe - Sins Pencey Sloe - Salvage Holy Fawn - Candy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thanks again to BetterHelp for sponsoring this episode. Welcome to No-Filler. I'm Travis. and I do not have my twin brother Quentin with me today. The co-host that everybody knows and loves will not be joining us for the next few weeks because he is a newly minted father. As he has been teasing the last month or so, his baby finally arrived.

And I'm not going to share any more information about this child because I'd rather let Quentin do that when he comes back. But I can't confirm one thing. the baby is adorable and i mean it would have to be because it shares some of my DNA right because that's how identical twins work so of course the baby is is good looking you know so yeah while he's off being a father i am getting some guests lined up for us and i've got some in the works some of whom you may recognize from previous no filler episodes some perhaps brand new.

So stay tuned for that next week. We should have our first guest lined up. And yeah, I won't give any details on that because not everything is finalized yet. But just know that next week we will be returning to our regularly scheduled programming. But for this week, I thought, what better episode to pull out of the archives than our DoomGaze episode, which we have been talking about, I feel like, every week for the past three weeks, because, yeah, we've been covering a lot of bands that we actually talked about on that episode. Pensey Slow, Spotlights.

In addition to that, we dive into the history of DoomGaise, the term, the origin of it, you know, sort of like the evolution of it, and now you don't have to go looking for it. All right, so as always, thank you for tuning in. My name is Travis. I will see you guys next week with a brand spanking new host, filling in for Quentin. And here is our Doom Gaze episode. And welcome to No Filler. The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gems that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records.

My name is Travis. I got my brother Quentin with me, as always. And we have arrived at our destination. You two weeks ago we said you know what what happens if you take doom at all and you take shoe gaze and you mix them together what happens and we're about to answer that question you get some shoe doom and I'm excited excited to hear it man you get what they call doom gaze which is a real thing we actually talked about a doom gaze band who knows when but it was one of my what you heard's it was a doom gaze band called holy Fawn. Yeah, it was really good. I liked it. Yeah, it had a lot of interesting things going on.

But we're going to get into the history of Doom Gaze a little bit here. Before we get to 2018, we've got to go back a couple decades. Should we do a recap on Doom Metal and Shugays? Yes. Just in case you're joining us for the first time. I think so. So, yeah, what is Doom Metal, right? We talked about this a couple weeks ago, obviously, when we did our sleep episode.

That was the first episode in our Doom Shugaze, Doomgays trio of episodes here. But we've talked about Doom Metal before. We've talked about stoner metal. There's a lot of similarities and crossovers between those two. You know, we talked about Caius. We did an episode on Caius. We did an episode on Queens of the Stone Age. We've even done an episode on Black Sabbath, the boys themselves.

That's very good point, Q. The granddaddies of them all. The origin of the Doom Metal sound is, kind of widely agreed upon started in 1972 on Black Sabbath's record into the void. And yeah, basically it's this

slower slower-paced heavy metal sound that is sort of rooted in that bluesy metal sound that the Black Sabbath started. Yeah. But

just slowed down and like it sings a lot. Thematically it's a lot about, you know, depression and isolation and stuff like that, right? Doom and Gloom. Doom and Gloom, yeah. I mean, here's the name, Doom Metal. Right. So Sleep, the band that we talked about a couple of weeks ago, isn't really just, what's the term? They're not, they're more of a stoner metal band than a Doom metal band.

but they had a lot of those characteristics of the slowness, the Sabbath-esque metal sound that they also sort of fall under the doom umbrella. But they're less gloomy, right? I mean, that's kind of a lot of it is the lyrics and what they're singing about. Yeah, I mean, sleep sings about, you know, smoking weed and stuff. Not exclusively, but anyway. And then you've got shoegaze. Now, if you've listened to our podcast before, you know that we're huge, huge fans of Shugays and Dream Pop.

And ShoeGays, I think, spawned around the same time. Well, it started a little bit before Grunge, but I feel like it's more, well, I don't know. I always try to compare it to Grunge. I don't know why I do that. Well, it has a lot. I mean, it's got some crossover. But the main characteristic of Shugays, what makes Shoe Gays. shoegaze, at least the origin of it, was that entirely new guitar sound.

That glide guitar that Kevin Shields created, where you kind of create that weird, like, juxtaposition of tones with the way you strum the guitar and it kind of makes it wavering and out, and then you just throw in all this distortion and feedback. Yeah, there's a... Yeah, you create this, like, wall of sound. Right, so wall of sound, right. So, yeah, that's kind of the gist. to it, right? And it, as we've talked about before, like, so many, it's, it's, you know, we talk about

Shugay's and Grunge kind of starting at the same time. Grunge saw its moment, right? Yeah. And then went away. It's, it's, it's coming back. It's coming back in a small way, but like Shugay has been there the whole time. Like, it evolved into Dream, Dream Pop, as we talked about, but it's kind of one of the same. Dream Pop is a little bit more, like, melodic and stuff like that, a little bit more indie sounding, but it's the same, share some of the same characteristics. Yeah, it is interesting to think about how, like, if, you know, if you would have asked someone in 1992 or, you know, 93 or 94, like, which one of the two genres do you think is just going to stick around and never leave? I bet you most people would have said grunge.

Yeah. But yeah, it definitely went away for a while. But, you know, the thing about it, like, grunge is the elements of grunge, so it went on to inform other subgenres of metal and stuff like that. Other subgenres of like alternative rock and stuff. Yeah. But shoegays has sort of always been there as far as like the shoe gaze like proper shoegays sound.

Yeah. It's always been. It never strayed away from like the loveless My Bloody Valentine kind of shoegay sound. Yeah. Well, I'm excited, dude. I feel like Doom metal from what I'm learning. You know, I'm still, like I always say, I've got my training wheels on for, for metal music.

I think Doom Metal is my, like, my jam, I feel like. The more I listen to it. Just get ready, because you're going to enjoy it. I'm so every second at this. I'm pumped. Okay, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to talk about the three, what is considered like the three core artists that started the Doom Gaze sound, or at least when the Doom Gay sound started to pop up,

these are the bands that were sort of experimenting with that sound. So I got a lot of the information that I'm going to present is from this article on medium.com by this guy who essentially did kind of what I'm doing and said, hey, let me go find out about the history of doom gaze. And he found out that there's just really not a lot written about it. There's some subreddits thread here and there on like a shoegaze had a thread where somebody talked about doom gaze. in there, but there's no like definitive, there's not a lot of resources out there. So this guy decided to write an article about it, basically. Like he wanted to be the source of truth, I guess, for the history of DoomGa. So very in-depth article.

Should we give a shout out to the author? We don't do that enough. We don't do that. We should do that. So his name is, well, his username on Medium is weburn. Oh, God damn it, dude. I'm sorry. I can't.

Yeah. Well, let me see if I can find a name. Why do we do this story? Let me see if I can find a name. Hold on here. I have his username. So that's W-Y-Y-Y-V-R-N. And of course my internet has to go super slow, dude.

Supes slow. Can you click on his name? I'm trying to. Weaver. For the love of God. Maybe that's a surname. For the love of Pete. I'm just trying to get a name here.

You know what? Pretend like I never asked, dude. For fuck's sake. All right, well. I'm sorry. His name is Weavern. Okay. W.Y.Y.

Vern is his name on medium. Okay. What more do you want to know? And this is the only article that he wrote on medium. Anyway. Interesting. August 8th of 2020. So this article is still pretty fresh. So anyway, the point being, there's not a lot out there about the origins of this sound. This guy did his best to sort of

compile his version of it. But it is sort of widely accepted that the sound originated back in the early 2000s, 2001, to be exact, by this multi-instrumentalist named K. Angelus. That's what he goes by. The letter K. Angelus. And he had a solo project called the angelic process. So basically what he is quoted as saying is that he basically he's taking the use of crescendos and transitional structures that you would find from this experimental rock band called swans mixed with the heavy drumming sound of the band called Neurosis and their album Times of Grace and adding to that the experimental sound guitar sounds of My Bloody Valentine.

There it is. As the main influence behind this work. I don't know much about swans or neurosis. Me neither. I don't know about swans or neurosis. But these are like experimental rock bands. Neurosis is a post-metal band. Okay.

With some progressive rock and gothic rock influences. All right. So if you were to think in your mind, what would a doom, a doom metal plus a shoegaze sound? What would that sound be? Right. This is what you might think of when you hear it. Okay. This is a song by the angelic process off of a record that came out in 2003 called coma wearing called the sun in braids. actual thoughts there. So he's taking that doom and gloom kind of feeling. And dude, it's not just the experimental My Bloody Valentine guitar stylings that he borrowed from. It's same with like the way he's singing too. Yeah, definitely. And that's part of it.

And then it's all just kind of washed away in that wall of feedback and, you know, all that other stuff that Kevin Shields did on Loveless. Yeah. So here's how this album is kind of. described. It is like living in a dream and a nightmare at once. Oh my God, dude, I just got chills. Isn't that great though? Yeah. And that's kind of, that's even think about the dream pop. That's the name of that's often another name used to describe shoegaze, right? Is that dreamy kind of feeling that you get with doom gaze, it's a little bit more nightmarish, if you will, but it still has to,

that quality. It's like a euphoric nightmare. Yeah, dude. Euphoric nightmare. So it's the heavy shoegaze drones type of sound, but it makes it sound apocalyptic, but also warm and uplifting, right? Damn. So it's kind of the hallmark of the genre, or at least it's the foundation which the genre is then built upon. So this was 2003. Keep that in mind. Well, let me say I'm shocked that this sound didn't start sooner, like earlier than 2000. So here's the thing. It's not like this is a unique sound,

but all of the elements of it are what make it unique. You did say it was around 2000, right? 2003 is when this came out. He had an EP that came out before this in 2001. But, you know, there are other, a lot of these early Doomgaze artists and bands sort of came out of drone. There is another sub-droner of metal called Drone Metal,

which is very much just that, you know, it's just a, I'm going to say wall of sound because it kind of is a wall of sound, but not paired with that the really light and airy kind of dreamy vocals, ethereal vocals and stuff like that, right? Yeah, so there was a progression to the sound. Yeah, it's not, it didn't come out of nowhere, but the fact that he mentioned the my bloody valentine guitar sound as an inspiration plus some of those other things but anyway so this is like the foundation of the the doom gaze

sound like he's sort of considered the person who started it right cool so let's move a couple years forward to 2005 so here's another artist that goes by the name jesu and he he being Justin Broderick. He is the man behind this solo project. And so he used to be in a band called Godflesh, an industrial metal

pioneer band called Godflesh. And so the band broke up in 2002 for various reasons. And Justin Broderick had started to experiment with this other sound, taking his

writing in a new direction which showed up in a hidden track on the Godflesh record hymns, and that track was called Jetsu, the very last track on this record. And so that new direction that he took his sound in, he then took the same name of the song, Jesu, and started a new side project called Jassu. So he was basically so enamored with this new direction he was taking his music in that he wanted to start a whole new side project devoted to just that type of sound.

You know what that sounds like to me, man? What's his name? Tom DeLange with a boxcar racer. Or angels and airwaves and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that happens, dude. It happens, you know, because people, artists, you know, sometimes they got to get created.

They've all passed the sound of the band that they were in originally. Exactly. Yeah, dude. So anyway, um, the day. difference though, and you'll hear between this song that I'm going to play and the Angelic Process track that I just played, was that his stuff, at least his early stuff, was a little bit more heavy and like metal centered. Still got the shoegaze inspiration behind it, but it's more of a, it's got a little bit more metal to it, right? So here's a song off of his self-titled

EP called Friends Are Evil. That was a little more on the nose for metal, dude, I feel like. But it did start to get a little droney, like. You had to kind of wait a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, so I wanted to play that because the beginning of that song, there's really nothing shoe-gazy about that at all. Right.

Right. But it's sort of, the song transitions into a more, like you said, more drone-like. His vocals are more styled to, along the lines of the Shugay sound. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is vocals threw me for a loop. Yeah.

Because, you know, it was so straightforward metal until he started singing. Right, and that's part of, and you got to understand that this guy was in like a pioneering industrial metal band for years. And then he started to sort of experiment a little bit with his sound.

But that's part of what makes Doomgaze, doom gaze is the contrast between the heavy, heavy, and like the soft, right? And a lot of times that's how it is with the shoe gaze song, too. Like, some of the stuff on Loveless by my Bloody Valentine is heavy in the sense that there's just a lot of sound coming at you. It's a lot of noise, yeah. And then you hear their soft vocals, and it is a contrast, right? So Doomgaze, I feel like, like, heightens that contrast because the heavy side of it is metal sometimes. sometimes, not always.

And that's kind of why I wanted to play that track in particular by Chesu. The stuff that he comes out with after starts to become more and more shoegazey. But the stuff he was doing as self-titled was still very much rooted in like post-metal, metal type sound, which is interesting. Because it's taking that stuff and adding some shoegaze elements to it. And this was a couple of years after Angelic Process album that we played from? Yeah. So this was 2004. Okay.

All right. One last track here before we get into the more contemporary doom gay stuff. So we can talk about the three pioneers here. The last group is Naja. Naja. I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's N-A-D-J-A. Naja. And it is two artists, one named Leah Bukaref,

and another named Iden Baker. Aiden Baker. So this is a duo. The last two were solo artist, right? So we're going to play a track off of their 2008 record. It's actually a single that came out called Long Dark 20s. So what I wanted to point out with this group is that these guys are more drone metal centric, right? At least a lot of the stuff that they put out is more drone-esque, right? So when you say drone metal, as opposed to Doomgaze, you're really just talking more about the guitar stylings. It's more metal than shoegaze. Drone metal is more like its long duration music tones like a drone, right?

It's more repetitive, more instrumental almost, right? Gotcha. Okay. Formed in Washington, Q. Hey, Seattle? Yeah, Seattle, Washington, early 90s. Look at that. Its stylistic origins are doom metal.

So there you go. So, all right. This band, again, is called Naja. This song came out in 2008. Like I was saying, they're more, when you look at their body of work, it's more drone metal type stuff. But there are a handful of tracks that they put out that sort of highlight their interpretation of doom gaze when they leaned in that direction.

And this track is one of them. So this is called Long Dark 20s. I really liked that, dude. Okay, well, to me, that captured the Doomside perfectly, and their vocals were super shoeggagy. Well, very monotone, like not much. Yeah, I liked that a lot. That's cool. And that's the drone side of them, right?

Sure. But anyway, all right, so that's, those three artists are considered the sort of the, the core three of the foundation of doom gaze. So now we're at 2008, right? Here's what happened in around this time. So in the fall of 2007, the Angelic Process, he had brought on another artist who collaborated with him. So they had just put out a record called weighing souls with sand.

And they were about to go on tour. when Kay Angelus was involved in an accident that left him with a broken hand. And this was the same hand that had already been permanently damaged in a near-fatal car accident that he was in when he was 18. So he was unsure, even with surgery, whether or not he'd ever be able to play again. So he put out this message to his fans and stuff that said, I have made music for the last 12 years, nearly half of my life. I've done the angelic process for nearly nine of those years. When I think about who I am without music, I don't really know.

Sometimes something is so much a part of you. And then a few months later, he died by suicide. Oh. I know. It's tragic. I did not see that coming, dude. Yeah. So he was depressed.

You know, he fell into depression. Yeah, that was his whole. whole identity. Right. So. Fuck, man. Anyway, that, people sort of point to that as sort of the decline of like whatever momentum the genre may have had at that time because, you know, tap is sort of, or tap, the

angelic process was sort of the face of it, the starters of it. And so there's this moment, this period of decline, as they say, between 2008 to around 2014 or so. So there were other artists that were putting. out, you know, music that sounded like that, that's, you know, that still sounded like it, but the genre itself wasn't getting much attention. Other, other words are being thrown around to describe these different bands. So, uh, other terms that would pop up were things like drone metal, again, right, ambient drone metal. So they throw the word ambient in front of it.

Dream sludge, bliss metal. Get that out of here. Lava flow metal. No, those are all terrible. Well, there you go. But the term doom gaze never caught on. It's just sort of morphing into these other genres that had elements of it, but the term itself didn't really stick until around 2010. And I think it started also popping up 2009-ish. You would see that tag show up on artists on like Last FM and stuff like that, right? And there were articles and stuff that started throwing the term out here and there.

So, starting to see some momentum picking up again as far as like that term being used to describe a sound, right? And then the post-rock band called This Will Destroy You used that term in 2010 to describe a record that they were putting out called Tunnel Blankets. Nice. So now we are in... So they used DoomGay? Doomgade, yeah, they use the term. Okay. So now we're in early 2000s when the genre starts to pick up again.

So now the other, the next three or four songs, depending on if we decide to play a fourth one here, are going to be more contemporary artists under this genre. So this is when, to me, you know how if you look at dream pop artists compared to the classic shoegaze artists like My Abilentine and Slow Dive and all of them. Yeah. It's more melodic, right? Yeah. It's more straightforward, almost like indie-type tunes, but it's got those core elements of shoe gaze.

To me, the contemporary artists under the Doomgays genre sort of followed the same kind of pattern, right, where it's more melodic, it's more digestible, I guess, packageable, if you will. Yeah. More contemporary. Let's take a quick break. So I think you're going to hear a huge difference here in these sounds. compared to the origin, the three. I'm excited, man. But when you hear those three, you can kind of see how it turns into this kind of stuff.

So, all right, we're going to jump to 2017. This is considered the year where the genre took off. And so there's a band, we're not going to play them, but there's a band called Pale Horse, Pale Rider, which put out their debut record in 2017 called Burial Songs. And the site placed it as number one on the list of records. that year and would go on to remark this website echoes and dusts

that doom gaze became a fully fledged thing in 2017. So, now the genre has arrived. Here we go. We're going to play a song by a band called Cloak Room called Seedless Star off of their record Time Well.

Arrived at our destination. This is... And you're totally right, dude. This is the dream pop side of Shingay's. Yeah. So this is what, to me, this is what happened to Shugays when it's, when Dream Pop became a term that we started to use to describe Shugay's bands. Yeah. Like this is kind of what happened.

So like if you think about the first three artists that we played, it's a solo artist here, you know, maybe a couple artists there that came out of like the drone metal, more post metal scenes and started just experimenting with things. You know what I mean? Hey, what happens if I brought in the sound, the guitar sound from my ability of Valentine, you know, to my metal sound. Yeah, basically it seemed like they were just like, let's take metal, let's take do metal, and let's just throw that wall of sound on there. And let's just bury my vocals in feedback. It was very experimental, right? Yeah. So now, 10 years later, when bands like Cloakroom start making songs, it's bands that are like four dudes, right?

Four artists together, guitar, bass, vocals, a band doing that sound, right? Right. I love it, man. So now let's spend some more time in this decade here, Q because this is, like I said, especially this year, this next song is also from 2017. This is when the genre took off, and this is where, when it's fully realized, right? All right. This next track is from a band called Spotlights. This record is called Seismic.

And the name of this track is called Under the Earth. I actually heard that for the first time just before we started recording because I was still hopping. around trying to find a good mix of bands to play here. Yeah. And this record is amazing, dude. Dude, I really liked the, uh, that we, yeah. Well, that's part of the kind of the shoegaze. That's that, kind of that droniness of it.

Yeah, yeah. But I think that is a perfect example of, so those, like if you isolate some of those guitar riffs, take off the reverb a little bit, maybe. It's a doom metal riff. You know what I mean? And if you think about his vocals, they almost sounded like Billy Corgan a little bit, maybe. Hey, there we go. Right, Billy Corgan-esque.

I was wondering if Grunge was going to make an appearance. Well, that's the thing. When we talked about, you know, the Smashing Pumpkins has some shoegasiness to them for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, like, yeah, but those vocals were kind of Billy Corgan-esque, in my opinion. But anyway, I'm going to quote from this article that I've been referring to here. but this is um he's actually referring to another record but i think it applies here he says

ethereal vocals plus reverb alongside heavy doomy guitars combine to create a pretty faithful uh sound to the term yeah okay doom gaze right yeah so that's what makes and this is why we i think we've talked about how what's great about shoe gaze is you can literally take the elements of shoe gaze and add them to just about any genre, you know, and it works. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like we've talked about psychedelic shoegaze bands before. Yeah, we played a couple of them last week when we were playing the heavier side of shoe gaze for sure.

So, anyway, that's what I love about this genre. And I think it works really, really well with metal, which is what these artists are kind of demonstrating. All right. So this next artist is this record in particular is my new favorite record. So I fell into this rabbit hole quite a bit the last two weeks preparing for this episode. And this artist Pincey Slow, or Pincey Slowy, I don't know how she pronounces it. I think it's slow, brother. Is she's amazing.

I don't know much about her, unfortunately. But this record is amazing from start to finish. So it was very difficult for me to pick one song. So we might play two from her. Well, I hope you picked a non-single, brother. Oh, I don't even know what the singles are for this, dude. Wow. Dude.

I always try to keep it, you know, faithful to the show, brother. I get it. But, yeah, these are pretty obscure artists. Most of the time with these more, like, yeah, obscure artists, I'll go to IMDB, or IMDB, I always say that. I'll go to discogs, and it doesn't have any singles. Yeah. So what do you want? So, you know.

That's true for this artist as well. Yeah. So anyway, this record came out in 2019. So now we're jumping a couple of years later. It is called Don't Believe, Watch Out. It is the only full-length record that she's put out. So here's a little bit about this band. They're from Paris, France.

It's a trio. Remember what I said about trios, dude? Trio's a rose to the bell. Baum digity. So that's not her name, then. That's the name of the band. Right. Okay.

So her name is Diane. Pellotiri Pellotieri. Pellossier. I don't know. Pellossieri. I don't know. Well, whatever.

Something like that. Yeah, sure. And hey, let's talk about females, female vocals and shoegays. Right. It's a staple of shoegays. I think so, yeah, for sure. I think they, you know, going back to,

didn't slow dive had some? Oh, slow dive for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. And my bloody Valentine. Right. It's part of it.

And I think that helps the contrast even more with doom gaze with the heavy metal plus the ethereal vocals when it's a female vocalist. Now, that being said, the song I'm going to play doesn't have much metal going on, but it's still the slower-paced type of shoe gaze, if you will, that makes it doom gaze. So this song is called Sins. Let's play one more track from Her Q because I love this record. And we got time. We got time. Hey, dude, we got all the time in the world. All right, Q, so this track actually came out in 2017, the year the Doom Gaze took off.

So this song is off of Pincey Slow's debut self-titled record. And this song is called Salvage. You can definitely hear that, um, That guitar sound, the classic shoe gaze guitar sound kind of coming out there for sure. Yeah. But again, like it's a little, it's like a few steps back from that wall of sound. Yeah, it's not as the tempo is slower. But there's not much metal in there.

I was going to say, are you hearing any doom riffs or metal riffs at all? Not with them. But I would say what makes them doom gaze is maybe the tempo of it. the slower pace of it. Yeah. And hey, dude, it's an evolving, every evolving genre, you know? Right. And that's the thing.

Like, that's kind of where you have to keep in mind with, with doom gaze is that kind of like with Dreampop. So like that, there's Dreampop artists that don't have any elements of, of the classic Shugay sound that you might think of in them, but they have pieces of it, right? So, yeah. Pincey Slow is kind of one of those artists that doesn't, you know, You know, when you listen to some of the other ones I played like Cloak Room and Spot and Spotlights, they really sort of encapsulate that exactly that sound. Doom metal plus shoegaze.

But there's, you know, it's a range, right? Like it's a, it's not one or the other thing, you know what I mean? So I guess it's more like range gaze. Sorry. It's, yeah. Think about it like maybe like a, you know, doom, doom metal on one. side, shoe gaze on the other, bands like Cloakroom and Spotlight are somewhere in the middle where they are taking both, the elements from both. Pincey Slowies a little bit more closer to

shoe gaze, but... Closer to shoe gaze, but definitely still towards the middle of those two sides. Right, exactly. Because, especially with that intro riff on Sins, that was a slow, could have been the start of a Doom song, and then it went into completely different direction. I love her vocals. Yeah, me too. She almost has like a, I was thinking of like the cranberry eat a little bit there. Oh. Maybe in that song, Sins that we played.

Yummy. Anyway, dude, it was really, really hard for me to pick and narrow down a handful of tracks to play for this. I think we could spend a lot of time in shoe gaze, a lot of time in Doomgates because there's a lot of crossover there. But this is our favorite subgenre of rock and roll, I think, for a reason, because it's so versatile. So anyway, I'm going to close this out with another song by Holy Fawn that came out last year just to show you that this is still going. It's basically sort of at its rising right now. In 2017, when it sort of took off, it's had a lot of quite a momentum behind it.

There's a lot of bands that sort of fall into this umbrella. And I think that's also in part because of the Doom metal popularity too. So there are doom metal bands that started to incorporate shoe gaze elements into their doom sound, and now they're making doom gaze, right? And vice versa. Cool, man. I think the genre is going to keep going. And I just, it's great.

If you're a fan of shoegaze or doom metal, like this is it, man. This is your genre. Because there are bands like Holy Fawn, Spotlights, True Widow is another one that I really like. They're out of Dallas, actually. I had a few songs from them that I thought about playing, but I think I might save them for later. But yeah, it's just a, you know, people make fun. It's kind of like a joke. Like, I think we actually use this as a recurring joke on this podcast, but we took it from the Mike Judge film extract.

The guy that's in the metal band. He's in like three different metal bands. Yeah, God's Cock is one of them. But he's describing the sound of their metal band. And he's like, you know, we're more kind of. lot at grindcore. And it's supposed to be a joke because it's like, really, that's a subgenre? And it probably is, right? That's what's funny about it. But like, that's kind of the thing. With metal, there's just so many different subgenres. And I don't think, I think DoomGaze is more

of a subgenre of metal than it is of shoe gaze. But as Pincey's slow is sort of demonstrating, like it can start to lean more towards shoegaze, you know what I mean, as far as like an offshoot of shoegaze, right? Yeah. I guess the point I'm trying to make is I think with most of the bands that I've found that fall under this label, they are more rooted in metal, doom-esque metal than shoe gaze, but they incorporate shoegade elements into their doom sound. So I think doom gaze, if you were to try to classify it, it's more of like a post-metal

genre. You know, it's more of a kind of melodic grand chord. but this is what I'm talking about like there's just so many offshoots of it right anyway I love it I'm all about it I spent the last week and a half like really diving into it and there's a lot of great stuff out there so if you liked what you heard go read that article I'll post it on Twitter I'm not going to say I'm going to put it on our website because well under construction website yeah that way so maybe I'll post it on Twitter um where maybe I'll I'll see if this guy Werby

We even Ruben has a Twitter account You know We've been Why, Weirn I think

This guy that wrote an article On Medium.com Who did not list his name Could be a woman Who wrote this, I don't know Very in-depth article for sure Yes, very

Comprehensive All right, well, that's all we got What are we doing next week, man? Are we even a What? Where are we going? Well, next week's

Are what you heard? Oh, that's right. Okay. So that gives us some time to figure it out. I got a lot of great tracks, man. I will say it's hard to go three weeks without sharing new tunes, man. I think the problem is you just, you end up sitting on a ton of songs, and then you have to kind of narrow it down to five, which makes it that much better, right? Because then those five songs should be the best of the best of what you've been listening

to lately. Well, because it's over, it's over a span of like a month. Right. And I'm listening to music all the time. Like all the time. Well, as you can imagine, I discovered a lot of Doomgays bands when I was kind of putting together this list here. That's what you've been heard in, brother. That is what I've been heard of.

For sure. But I've got, I've been heard a lot of other stuff too. So I'm excited. Yeah. So in case you don't know what the hell we're talking about, what you heard was our weekly segment that we would do at the end of every episode. We would each bring one song to the show. just whatever we've been listening to in between recordings. For 2021, we are doing that in an episode format.

So we're holding off on bringing what you hurts to each episode. And instead we're going to bring, now we're doing about five songs each as an entire episode. So it's just nothing but music. And that's the whole show. And it's a blast, man. I'm excited. This will be our third one for the year. Yeah, man.

I'm pumped. I got some tunes that I know you're going to love, dude. Which means I know that our listeners are going to love it, because if you've been holding on, if you've been sticking with us all these years, chances are you probably have similar taste of music. I hope so. Otherwise, you know, you might be kind of bored.

Yeah. But, yeah. Who knows where we'll go after this, but we try to keep it interesting around here. So we'll come up with something. We'll figure it out. Yeah. We'll figure it out.

Anyway. All right, Q, so where can they find us? Pressure's on. You got to recite our outro. Oh, this is me now. It's all up to me. Well, you can find us on Twitter at No Filler Podcast. Give us a shout-out.

We will interact with you for sure, and we'll love every second of it. Let us know what you've been heard in lately. Give us some of your suggestions. If you're into Doomgaze, What's your favorite artist in the genre? Send it our way. We love discovering new music. That's what we live for.

So, yeah, interact with us on Twitter. That's again at No Filler Podcast. We are also part of the Pantheon podcast music network. The Network for Music Lovers. There you can find a ton of other awesome music-centered podcasts. at Panteon pods on Twitter or Panteonpodcasts.com. You'll find us there. You can stream our show directly from the Pantion Podcast Network.

Or you can stream us on pretty much anywhere that you stream your podcasts. I mean, you're listening to us now, so you found us. I don't know why. It's kind of obvious that you can stream us on something because you're listening to us now. How many people are like, man, you know, the platform that I'm using right now, I wish I could use another one. And then they're like, wait a second, they're on more than one. Yeah.

Chances are, whatever you're listening to us on now is your preferred method of listening to podcasts. But. And if you don't like it, just install another app. And you'll probably find us on there. Because we're on pretty much all the streaming. We're on the, we're on the Amazon podcast thing, wherever you can listen. We are? Yeah.

Oh, cool. We're on Spotify. That's my preferred place to listen to podcasts. We're on Pandora, everywhere you want to be. Yeah, so that's that, dude. Next week we're going to be coming back at you with some whatcha heards. I'm pumped, dude. My favorite episodes are the music-heavy ones, you know?

I feel like we've been doing that a lot lately. We had a ton of tunes last week, ton of tunes this week, even more coming at you next week, because next week is 10 tracks at least. That's a lot of tracks, brother. All right. That's our monthly mixtape queue. So tune in and rock out with us. I hate that term rock out.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, dude. I cringed. You just didn't see me. You just didn't see me cringe, brother. All right. All right. Well, like I said earlier, I've got one more doomgaze track to play us out. It's going to be the band that we first played on this podcast that fell under this genre called Holy Fawn.

This is a track off of their Black Moon EP that came out last year. The song is called Candy. And we will talk to you guys next week. My name is Travis. And I'm Quentin. You all take care.