No Filler Music Podcast - Rewind: Sidetrack - Slowdive

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

We're dusting off an episode from August 25th, 2019 for a closer look at the shoegazing dream pop outfit Slowdive. As one of the early pioneers of the genre, Slowdive's melancholy, druggy & spaced-out ​vibes sound just as fresh and modern today as it did in the early 90s. No Filler is part of Pantheon Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And welcome to No Filler, the music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singers. on our favorite records. In each episode, we'll dive into a little history of the artist and the album of choice, with snippets from interviews and concerts, as well as music from the album itself. My name is Quentin. With me, as always, is my brother Travis, and I guess we got some news, huh, bro? For the first time in the history of the No Filler podcast, we have some news to share with our listeners. Some newsworthy news. Right.

That's probably more appropriate. So we have, since the last time we spoke, have joined the Pantheon music podcast network. Like, I wish we had like an air horn sound to play in the background. Beo, peopo. Exactly. There's websites out there. You just go like airhorn sound.com or something like that. Oh, there's an app for that too.

Definitely. But anyway, let's let's not skip over how important this is, Q. So we were excited, man. Yeah, I'm pumped, dude. I'm super stoked. So we were approached by this network and it is a music only podcast network. So all the podcasts on this network are just as fanatical about music as we are. So we're super excited to be part of this family. And this is our first episode under the net. network. So because of that, it's safe to assume that a lot of you listening, this is your first

time listening, right? So we're going to kind of give a sort of a recap of what this is about, what the goal of the show is, what we'd like to do around here. So Q, you kind of mentioned, you know, we did our standard intro there where we talked about what it is we do. But basically, the idea is we take an album. and we talk about the tracks that weren't singles. So basically, you know, hey, an album has 12 songs and two singles. What about those other 10 songs that, you know, a lot of you may have not have heard or don't get any attention because they weren't on the radio, you know?

Yeah. I mean, for us, you know, I've always been, we've always been ones to appreciate an album in its entirety. almost every band that I've gotten into, you know, if I purchase one of their records, I'm going to listen to it all the way through. Even in this age of, you know, streaming music, I want to hear the album in its entirety, you know. I feel like that's something that's lost in this day and age, you know, with Spotify and fucking Pandora and whatever else. Well, I mean, really, I mean, with the start of iTunes, back when that was a whole thing, like,

that was the whole idea was like oh i don't have to go out and buy the album anymore i can just buy the songs that i want to hear and for most people that was the singles like oh i can pay you know 99 cents and and get just the single that i care about okay great there's so many times i've had conversations with friends or you know they they haven't bought an album in in years you know they hear a single on the radio and they go and purchase it on iTunes or they they've added to a playlist on spotify and that's the end of it and and And it's our belief and what we hope to do with this podcast is to highlight, you know, some of these songs that that never, never get radio play, never, you know, see the light of day

and showcase just how amazing some of these songs are. And sometimes it's the best work of the artist, you know. Yeah. And same with like, you know, you type in an artist's name on Spotify and then you've got at the very top, you know, it'll be here. Here's the top tracks from this artist. think about all the songs that you're missing out on. Right.

You know, if you just hit play on those top tracks. All right. So, yeah, let's talk about how we do it. So we firmly believe that you can't talk about how great a song is without playing it. So we play a lot of music on this podcast. That's part of the show that I love the most is playing the music. We both are hearing it on our ends. And then we both get to react and sort of bounce off each other with what.

it is that makes that track so great. Sometimes we go back and replay a part of the song, you know, just to really hone in and focus on, you know, this really great transition between, you know, the verse and the chorus or whatever, you know. Oh, yeah, dude, or this like killer drum fill that I feel like you didn't appreciate the first time around. Right. So, hey, that's something to bring up. You're a drummer. I'm a guitar player. So, yeah, a lot of times you'll, you'll bring up something about the drums that I wouldn't ever even think about. So, Let's also mention that we're twin brothers. I don't think we said that before.

So I don't know whether that's... And not only that, but we're twin brothers that happen to live like almost 2,000 miles apart now. That's also true. I'm up in Washington State and you're down in Texas. So we're doing all this through Skype, basically. But, I mean, that's it. Like, we just have such a strong passion for music and we love sharing music with people. So we thought, why not turn on some mics and share music with you?

with each other and with all you lovely people. That's right. So, I don't know, maybe that's where we leave it. Yeah. I think that was a good... Let's dive into our episode. What do you say? Wait, did you say slow dive into our episode?

Oh, I didn't say slow dive, but I see what you did there. Because that's what we're talking about today. We're talking about slow dive. So our last episode was our first true dive into Chill Wave and we cover. washed out and a handful of his first a few albums. So you were talking to me earlier this week and you're like, dude, how the fuck are you going to tie in slow dive to wash down? Honestly, the only thing that I had to tie these two bands together

was the fact that this random article on Pitchfork tied, washed out to slow dive with the fact that, you know, you can listen to to a handful of slow dive songs and the vocals are like a dead ringer for washed out. And that's very true. So it's probably safe to say that the Ernest was a fan of slow dive then. Or maybe, maybe, at least shoe gaze music maybe. Yeah, absolutely for sure, shoe gaze. And here's the thing that like, so, you know, when I, when I dove into slow dive and

looked into their history and everything, like, uh, One thing I didn't realize, and I feel like this is just like, this kind of calls us out on our age. So we're in our early 30s. When you think of the genre dream pop, like, what do you think about? You know, like when you think of music and dream pop, what do you think about? Yeah, I mean, I think of that stint in the early 2000s. Exactly, dude. Well, actually, you know, starting with like, I guess it's rebirth of dream pop in the 2010.

tens were with bands like, you know, we talked about I'm Mr. twin, or twin sister back in the early 2000s when they first started were Dream Pop and like tennis, you know, and. Yeah, and Beach House. Bands like that, dude. But like the whole point is like, Dream Pop started in the 90s, man. Early 90s, we were what, three, four. Music wasn't something that, you know, we weren't music fans.

No, in the early 90s. But yeah. And I mean, dude, I really liked the, like the macarena back then, you know? Yeah, what the fuck was that? Like, where would you classify the macarena under? What kind of song is the macarena? Yeah, what is that? Exploitation of.

It's like a culture. It's music to dance too, I guess. Who knows, man. Music to freaking hate music class, too. because they used to make us do the macarena. It was like an exercise for music class, music period, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, dude, I hated every second of that. Anyway.

So yeah, but okay, but the term shoe gaze, however, doesn't, is not applied to the dream pop bands from the 2000s. Not from the 2000s. So I think shoegaze is more tied to the 90s dream pop era. Is that safe to say? Yes. Yeah. And those two kind of go hand in hand in Britain in the early 90s. So I've looked this up before, but what is the, what's the origin of the term shoegaze?

So it's, from what I've read and I've, you know, I've read this a few times before, it's literally, it is an observation of how the artists would present themselves on stage during a show. you know, they were gazed at their shoes and they just wouldn't move around at all. They were very like catatonic is probably not the right word, but you know, like. So it's like they're in a dream state is what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if that, you know, like part of the whole genre about of dream pop is, you know, it kind of, it really does evoke like a dream state, like very melancholy. repetitive.

Repetitive. To quote this, let's see, where was this? To quote this New York Times article from 1991, it says that Dream Pop combines nebulous,

distorted guitars with murmured vocals sometimes completely smudged into a wall of noise. So I don't want to get into this too much, because next week we're going to cover my bloody Valentine, which to me, they're like the poster child of shoegaze in Dream Pop. Yeah, they really are.

They're like the quintessential, you know, shoegaze band. Yeah. That's kind of what you think of. They're almost like, it's almost like synonymous with the genre, you know? Yes, absolutely. And Slow Dive was, it was heavily influenced by these guys. They were actually label mates at the time. But, yeah, that, that wall.

All of noise is really, I feel like it's one of the defining points of the genre. Dreampop celebrates rapturous and transcendent experiences, often using druggy and mystical imagery. A common theme is the desire to rise above the drab confines of everyday life. So, let's play a tune, because I got a lot, I got a lot of music to listen. listen to. Those two. That's too, I mean. So from what I've read from articles around the time of these albums releases, a lot

of the critics said that their first full-length album, which is called Just for a Day, which came out in 91, isn't really a good representation of their sound because they were going into these legit studios for their first time. And they didn't know what they were doing. and I guess they just didn't have enough help with their producers to really share like a good representation of their sound. But they have an EP, a few EPs actually that came out before their full length that are a better representation of what they were going for. So I'm going to play a song from their very first EP, which self-titled, it's called Slow Dive. and I'm going to play the very first track on that EP,

which is called Slow Dive. So here's just a little representation of what Slow Dives all about. What I like about hearing this demo from Slow Dive, the fact that it came out in 91 and the fact that Nirvana's Nevermind, which is, you know, like one of their biggest fucking albums. And like, you know, I just love, like my favorite thing about music is like you can always find the other side of the coin, you know? Yeah.

Like, slow dive, like that, that song that I just played, to me, it has some grungy moments in it. Like, maybe in like the tone and like the overall feeling that you get when you hear it. It's very like droney. But then it's got that quote, wall of sound kind of shoegaze five. It's just, I mean, it's the reverb just cranked up, you know? Yeah. And the effect that they put on their vocal.

and I love that they've got both male and female vocals. So I'm going to name off the roster real quick here. We've got Rachel Goswell. She plays guitar and sings, along with Neil Halstead, also on guitar and vocals. They're the two main hitters in the band. We've got Simon Scott on drums, Nick Chaplin on bass, and then they have a third guitar player named Christian Seville. That's slow dive.

And I think it's so unfortunate for them that, like, for whatever reason, like I said, they get the chance to step into the studio, record their first full length, and looking back on it, like I've listened to interviews from rather recently, they just feel like their first full-length album was not a good representation of their sound. And that, dude, can you imagine how, like, frustrating that must be? Yeah. Like their demo recordings to them were a better representation of their sound. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, this is a sidetrack, but it makes you wonder like how many actors, really good actors, their first movie, like their big first movie, like, you know, theatrical release is like a dud, you know, and that's just the end of their career, you know.

Yeah, dude. Not that this is the same thing, because slow dive has gone on to, you know, to gain a lot of, a lot of notoriety. Yeah. But you're saying that that plus the fact that grunge is happening right along with it, they just get, they get pushed aside, basically. They get pushed aside. Yeah. So, yeah, that's the thing.

On top of the fact that they were like, God damn, and I wish this sounded more like us, you know? Yeah. With their first full length, on top of that, you know, they just get overshadowed by my, my buddy Valentine and bands like Oasis and the whole Brit pop movement. that's a big bummer. But so they've actually reunited and they've got the entire like original

lineup. And they released an album a couple years ago in 2017. And it's fucking great, dude. We're going to play a little bit of one of those songs. But what I want to do now, I've got another song of theirs that to me, I think this one I've gone back to and replayed more than any of the other songs since kind of diving into them. So their third studio album is called Pygmalion.

And that came out in, I believe, 94. The thing about this album is it's one of those things where, you know, we've talked about the strokes before, and we've talked about how Gielion Casa Blank is fucking full of himself, you know. Sure. It seems kind of like that's the deal here with this album, Pygmalion. and Neil Halstead. He kind of just went into the studio and kind of did this one on his own.

Like there's, you know, the other members were there, but it was kind of like, okay, this is, this one's on me, you know. And it's kind of a, it's totally, it's a lot different than their previous releases. It is much more minimalist. And it's really fucking dark. But a lot of it is just acoustic guitar or, you know, it's way more stripped down. Their drummer, Scott, left the band because he didn't like the fact that they were using drum machines for most of their tracks. You know, so he was like, where the fuck's my place in this shit, you know?

Yeah. So he left. So this is kind of a departure from their previous works. but there's the opening track on this album it's called ruddy i think that's how you say it r-ut-t-t-i it's over eight minutes long dude there's just such a just such a mood behind this song and it's a very it's a slow burn for sure so we're going to listen to a pretty good chunk of it just remember it's eight minutes long we're going to play like over three minutes of it there's just something about this song dude so here it is. This is track one off of

Slow Dives' 1994 release Pygmalion. Let's hear it. So where else does he take that song? Because you say there's it's an eight-minute song, so there's about five minutes left. Does that guitar part, the instrumental guitar part, does that just extend throughout the rest of the song or does his vocals come back? His vocals come back. Yeah, I actually had a little bit lengthier clip where he comes back.

into singing, but like, it's a lot of the same, but with the bass and the drums kicked in, you know? It kind of just replays the song, but with the rest of the band coming in, you know? Yeah. I just love that song, dude. Yeah, I'm always a fan of songs that, like, taking on a journey like that, you know? Yeah. I mean... Yeah, dude. We talked about that at length with Mr. Twin Sister a couple of months ago. I mean, but that's a nice. thing though it seems like take you on a journey is such like a cliche but I mean like

you know it sounds like with shoegaze it's pretty it's pretty repetitive but not necessarily in a bad way so it's not like they're going to take you to very many different places and you know sounds and whatnot like twin sister might

do where they have all these really interesting like handoffs and stuff but like when you're doing a like you said it's a slow burn that song like yeah you're just you're waiting for the you're waiting for the payoff or whatever and then when it hits like it's really satisfying like when that guitar and the you know the little shaker thing comes in yeah like it's you really have to invest in a song like that you know exactly and that's the kind of stuff that i appreciate dude and i love the guitar tone and but like you can see where the

other bandmates are coming from here like yeah that's just neal and his guitar for the first half of that fucking song. Sure. Yeah, sure. I can see where Scott, the drummer, was just like, okay, I don't see my place anymore in this band. And like, in previous albums, they were using drum machines and stuff. You know, so they replaced him with another drummer, but like, I totally get it there,

especially when they're stepping into the studio for their third album, Pygmalion. And it's pretty much all Neil and his ideas. Like, that's got to be really frustrating. but I you know I picked that song to play today because I just

just something about that song dude I love it man I listen I've listened to it every day for the last week probably wow

yeah so I've got a song from their latest release which came out two years ago so again they all they reunited so when they reunited did they bring the drummer

back or is it's oh yeah he's back dude it's Scott's back dude and um I say Scott, that's his last name, I'm sorry. His first name's Simon.

But yeah, dude, it's great. So they released an album in 2017. It's self-title. It's called Slow Dev because it's like, hey, we're fucking back. Remember us? And it's great, dude. Like, it's almost like, and this is something that I always just think that's so great, like with music.

And, like, imagine getting together again with all these people that maybe you haven't really hung out with. than several years, you know, maybe 10 years or more. It's almost like they never left. You know, it's almost like they just, they picked up where they left off, you know. Yeah. And it's great, dude. I'm going to play track three here real quick.

Just give you a little taste of what they're up to now. This song is called Don't Know Why. Yeah, I like that quite a bit, man. That's great. Yeah. what I love about it is that they were able to just get back together and just pretty much do what they've always been doing. Yeah, it's like they pick up where they left off. Yeah, and it's just, it just sounds so, it just sounds so fresh.

And, you know, it just, they've got an audience, even today. It kind of reminds me of, and like I know for sure, the bands like M83 or like Black Mawoth Super Rainbow. So I know those, these guys were heavily influenced by my bloody Valentine and, you know, Dream Pop from the early 90s. You can hear that, that influence that they, that they had, you know. And that's, I feel like that's why they still have an audience today. And that's why they still sound so fresh and new and how they were able to come back together. And they knew that they would have an audience even today. It's great, dude.

Yeah, well, with the, you know, with the dream pop that we listen to in the 2010s, you know, yeah, there's definitely still people out there who want to hear this kind of music, you know. Yeah. It makes me happy. I had an outro clip already lined up that, you know what, this is already a lengthy episode. Let's just make it a little bit longer, dude. So, Travis informed me that the. there was a

mashup with slow dive and washed out that we actually happened to showcase on our music blog back in our heyday in the early 2010s. So we're going to have that as our outro. But I have one more clip to play from Slow Dive. This is a bonus track on their second studio album called Slough

Sovlocchi. It came out in 94. So this is an instrumental track. And I wanted to share it because it kind of goes in line with the chill wave sound where, you know, like we said, it's very repetitive and kind of droney, you know. It's really great. It's an instrumental track again. So this song is called Good Day Sunshine.

Yeah. So that's amazing. So they had some instrument. songs like that, huh? Yep. Yeah, that's great. So what's funny about that is like, and I was actually thinking this like through some of the songs you're playing,

some of the, the IDM, like nostalgic electronic musicians like boards of Canada or Casino versus Japan, I sort of borrow from some of these sounds a lot. And I feel like something like that is sort of in line with that because it's, you know, it's not electronic because they're doing it with guitars and,

and drama stuff. But like, you know, it seems like a lot of those, a lot of those bands were kind of influenced by them, too. Like those electronic musicians at least. Yeah. And that, that, you know, we're talking hypnagogic pop again, you know? Right, right. Yeah.

Well, the funny thing is it's hypnotogic because it sounds like a band from the 80s, right? Yeah, from the 80s or 90s. Yeah. Actually, I had pulled this quote and I didn't find a time to fit it into the episode here, but I'll just say it right now, dude. To quote someone talking about Chill Wave, it's a muffled production aesthetic that sort of sounded like every track

was being played out of the built-in speakers on a CRTV. That's, yeah, dude, that's what Chill Wave was all about was just capturing that nostalgic feeling, you know, from the 80s and 90s. Like that's what it's all about. Yeah. And these were the artists that kind of paved the way for the sound, like the shoe gaze, dream pop. The sort of lo-fi sound.

Lo-fi, yeah. So, yeah, I just stumbled across that track because every slow-dive record that's up on Spotify is like a bonus track release. You know, they've got a bunch of extra songs. And that one is just kind of tucked away towards the end on Disney. disc two. Again, that song was called Good Day Sunshine. Yeah, man, slow dive. This is one of those moments again where it's like, man, like, it's just, this has been so many years where I, you know, I could have been jamming out to some slow dive, man. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like,

it's never too late to, to get into a musician. But, you know, once you do and you realize, oh, they've literally been around since like the entirety of my life. Yeah. It's like I could have been listening to this album for decades, you know. But like I said, it's never too late to get into a band. It's never too late. And in the case of slow dive, they just reunited. They've got a new album that came out a couple of years back and it's fucking fantastic.

So yeah, man, that's the sidetrack for today. again, I didn't want to dive too much into like the history of shoegays because we are covering the gods of shoegays next week. We're going to cover my bloody Valentine's album Loveless, which I believe came out in, I think it came out in 91. Let's find out, shall we? Yeah, dude. Slow Dave didn't have a chance, man. Loveless, Liveless came out in 91. That's where we're going to cover next week.

Yeah, dude, I can't wait to share these songs with you. Especially, yeah, dude, it's such a good album. There's so many good songs on this record. My guess is that the majority of them are fair game. I don't think they released too many singles. So, yeah, dude, it's going to be great. Yeah, so that's it for today. This was kind of a lengthy side track.

Usually we like to keep them under half an hour, but we kind of had to introduce ourselves to hopefully a good handful. of new listeners now that we joined the Pantheon Music Network. Again, I'm super stoked. Dude, I am really excited to be part of this. I can't wait to share this podcast with more people, hopefully, and to share more music with people every week. Yeah, and before we wrap up, I don't think we explained what our sidetrack episodes are all about in the beginning. But basically, we cover, you know, we do a full-length episode where we talk about an album.

in depth and kind of go into an artist in depth. And then the sidetrack is, you know, devoted to a, it's not, I mean, there's no formula, really, aside from, hey, here's another artist or, or genre or, you know, song that features somebody from the record or the album that we talked about last time. Like a while back, we did a sidetrack on Feist because she popped up in a handful of songs. on a Kings of Convenience record that we covered the week before. So it's just another way to kind of squeeze in, you know, like the whole point of this podcast is to share music with people.

That's pretty much what my whole life is about, dude. You know, if, like, write it on my tombstone. Like, that's my favorite thing in the world is to get people on to a new artist. That's it, man. That's what this is all about. All right. Well, that wraps it up, man. Yeah, so anyway, like we said, we're no-filler.

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Do all those things. Yeah. So for our outro today, we're going to play a song by the band Violins. They did a mashup of a washed out. song called Feel It All Around, which most of us, I think, are well aware of. That's the theme song to Portlandia did. Yeah, yeah. So you've probably heard this song.

They mashed that song up with the song that I actually introed us into this week from Slow Dive called Suvlaki Space Station. And it is called Space Around the Field Station. and that's that's what we're going to outro out with today so dude the funny thing is like when you hear those two songs separately like no wonder violins was like these two songs are like made for each other because the baseline for yeah they really they really didn't like I'm sorry yeah they really didn't like splice them up too much you know like they really just almost just laid them on top of each other yeah I think it's the baseline from feel it all around just

like it just plays perfectly with Slovakia space station. So anyway, it's no wonder they're like, hey, we've got to match these two together. Yeah. So again, that's going to do it for us this week. Be sure to tune in next week. Again, we're going to dive a little bit more into Shugays, and we're going to cover My Bloody Valentine's 1991 release Loveless. So thank you again so much for listening. My name is Quentin. And my name is Travis. And I'll take care. Progressive presents adjusting to the suburbs.

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