No Filler Music Podcast - Sleep's Holy Mountain: Bridging Metal's Past & Future

Episode Date: March 15, 2021

Legend has it that Tony Iommi himself once claimed that Sleep's Holy Mountain was the album that best encompassed the feel and spirit of Black Sabbath's Volume 4. Whether he said it or not is up for debate, but one thing is for certain: Sleep's embrace of the blues-leaning metal style of Sabbath's early sound oozes out of the sludgy, doom-paced stoner metal that Sleep helped define in this seminal record. So join the magic caravan or ride the crimson dragon as we kick back and slow head bang our way through a record that paved the way for the rise of stoner and doom metal in the 21st century. Tracklist: Black Sabbath - Cornucopia Sleep - Dragonaut Sleep - The Druid Sleep - Holy Mountain Kyuss - Demon Cleaner Black Sabbath - Snowblind (Sleep cover) This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Pantheon is a proud partner of AKG by Harman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And welcome to No Filler. The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is Travis. Got my brother Quentin with me today, as always. And as promised, you, we're going to start our doom, shoe gaze, doom gaze, doom gaze. doom gaze journey with some doom metal. Some doom metal. I'm going to need a refresher course, my friend,

on like the subtleties of the metal landscape. There's a bagillion subgenres, dude. So you can't keep up with all of them. Doom's pretty popular, right? Yeah, definitely having its moment in metal over the past decade, for sure. And there's a lot of cross-stop. crossover queue between Doom metal and Stoner Metal, Stoner Rock. Like, they share a lot of the same characteristics.

They're like, you know, on the same branch of the metal tree, right? I would say. So anyway, this band that we're talking about today is called Sleep. And they are considered by meaning to be like the granddaddy of stoner metal, stoner rock. But like I said, there's a lot of crossover between doom and stoner metal. So they get that label too. And I would say a lot of it comes from their homage to Sabbath. And that, you know, a lot of people point to Master of Reality.

The album by Sabbath is like the origin of the doom metal sound. Like the blueprint for it? Yeah, exactly. So anyway, I got to ask you just real quick before we get started here. What makes it do metal? So basically what it comes down to, it's like slower tempos. It's kind of the main thing. Okay.

Like slower tempos. It's got kind of a blues base to it sometimes, like blues. Okay. So that's very Sabbath. Yeah, exactly. And I think the, well, especially with stoner, but like with Doom too, a lot of the lyrics are like kind of gloomy and, you know, like about such topics as like suffering. Fear, grief. Dread.

Very apocalyptic. But, you know, with at least the case. of sleep and a lot of other stoner metal bands and stuff like that. They sing about like fantastical fucking voyages and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like very, I always think of like Lord of the Ring style like epics and stuff like that. Cool. Which sounds silly, but you'll see what I mean when we dive into some of the lyrics here. So yeah, I'm coming in blind here. Dude, I don't know anything about this band. I feel like you've explained due metal to me before.

Yeah. And I definitely, I'm a fan of it. I like the more drawn out, like, we're talking about like the 10 plus minute songs, right? Yeah, sometimes it can be definitely. Yeah. But yeah, we've done an episode on Sabbath, and I talked about it then.

We did an episode on a band called a Kimis, and they have a lot of different. They're not strictly doom at all. But they incorporate elements of doom into their sound. So what do you like about sleep? And like, how long have they been in the game? game. They formed in either the late 80s or the early 90s. Now, let me find out the exact number. Yeah, you know what? If you Google sleep, you're not going to find the band. You have to actually

tell Google that you're looking for. And look at that sleep band. There's pictures of like heart rate sleep bands and shit. All right. They formed in 1990. So interesting thing about this record in particular. It's not their first record. It was actually on a separate record label than what this record came out on. It's called Volume 1, came on 91. But with this record, Sleeps Holy Mountain, it was actually a demo tape that they sent to ERAG records. And Erich signed them immediately and just released the record off the demo tapes.

Oh, that's cool. So it's got a garage. like the quality of the audio has kind of that, you know, DIY kind of garage quality sound, which I think adds to the vibe, you know. But didn't the same thing happen with Spoon? Sorry, Tyler, if I'm totally off here. Like on one of their first records? Yeah, wasn't it?

Either soft effects. I don't know. That does sound like a story we've told before of like another band. Yeah. Yeah, where like the, yeah, the record label just ends up running with the demo that they gave them. Yeah, maybe. But either way, so let me read the roster real quick. It's a three-piece, which I think is really cool.

For some reason, three-piece bands are always awesome. Anyway, Chris Hacchius on drums, Matt Pike on guitar, and Al Cisneros on bass and vocals. All right, so one thing I wanted to do here, Q, is play some Sabbath before we play sleep so that you can really hear kind of the, you know, compare the two. And, you know, I appreciate the thought, Trev. Because I'm a newbie here. I'm still a metal noob.

I like doing it because, you know, this is how you sort of connect the dots, right? Yeah. Okay, so here we go. I'm going to play a record. And I'm going to play a track off of this record in particular because. It is rumored. Apparently there's no like evidence of this quote from Tony Iommi, who is the guitar player of Sabbath. But apparently he is claims to there is, I don't know how to say it, but it is as the story goes kind of thing. He once said that Sleep's Holy Mountain was the album which best encompassed the feel and spirit of Black Sabbath's volume four. So what greater compliment do you need, right? If he in fact, said that. So here we go. We're going to play Cornucopia. Came out in 1972 off Black Sabbath's record, Volume 4. Okay, so everything about the instrumentation is kind of the focus. They don't really

sing like, like Ozzy. I mean, nobody sings like Ozzy, right? So anyway, that was Cornucopia by Sabbath. It came on 1972. What's cool about that is that. that this record, Holy Mountain by Sleep, came out exactly 20 years later. So as one review that I read about this record, put it perfectly, they said that this record is a bridge connecting the past and the future of metal music. So that's looking back at the record, like I was saying, you know, Doom metal has seen a huge resurgence in the last decade. And just to make sure I'm on the same page, a lot of people credit sad. Sabbath as being one of the first

Doom metal bands? Yeah. They're the, yeah, they are considered like the origin of Doom Metal was the record master of reality. Specifically, and I played this, our very first episode on Allison Chains, this was our closing song. It's called Into the Void.

Oh, that's right. Anyway, so yeah, that's what's big about this record is it's 92, right? So this doom metal resurgence hadn't happened yet. But they're bringing in Sabbath from 20 years ago doing their own thing. And then the future of mental being what was going to happen, you know, the last decade of doom sort of having a resurgence. Anyway, let's get into some tunes here. So we're going to play the very first track.

And it is called Dragonaut. This is my kind of metal, man. Metal, there's something for everyone in metal, okay? Yeah. You know what, dude, I was getting some corn vibes. Shut the hell up. I know you're fucking around. But that's what you said at the beginning of, what was it?

Ghost. Yeah, and I had to politely correct. It was the baseline. I don't know about polite, dude. I don't remember no politeness about it. But hey, I deserved it. Honestly, I just said it. Yeah, I wasn't an asshole about it.

No, but I think I was a swift, it was a swift stern. Yeah, it was, it was a quick, it was a quick shutdown on that idea. But anyway, so can I, so let me, something I've noticed. Yeah, go ahead. With these kind of metal bands. Yeah. And I heard it in that Sabbath track that you played. These kinds of millenons.

I'm talking about the godfathers of. Offensive. of a metal. Listen, dude, I'm treading water here, man. Okay? Sorry. It seems to me like the, I don't know, it feels like the drumbeat kind of drags on through it. It's almost like they're sludging through like muddy water.

Well, dude, it's funny because sludge metal is also a thing. And you say the word sludge. And, you know, sludgy is is a word that is used to describe doom. Okay. The slow tempo, like you're saying. But what I like about this song in particular, you heard like three different parts, right? I just love how on this record, definitely, like they just let each part, like a good riff just gets a lot of breathing room. You know what I mean?

Like it just goes kind of crammed into a song that's under six minutes long. So that's cool as well. Yeah, that's right. But then they had that intro, which was kind of a bluesy kind of riff. Very bluesy. And then it just abruptly switches to this like chugging metal guitar riff that leads into the vocals. And as I was saying earlier, like with the vocal themes and stuff, like, I mean, if you read these lyrics, ride the dragon toward the crimson eye, flap the wings under Mars red sky.

The reptile pushes itself out into space, leaving behind the human race. but there's nothing depressing about that or like you know it's not about some of the themes that uh doom metal typically deals with but this is also a stoner rock so um it's dealing with like i could you know i've never i've never gone on a crazy trip before q but well Travis I'm telling you there's no there's no dragons you're not flying around on Mars when I mean I guess depending on the drug, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But anyway.

So what makes stoner rock or stoner metal, stoner metal? What's the difference between Doom and stoner? Singing about weed and shit. Are you serious? Yeah, well, maybe. Really, though? Stoner metal is about, the lyrics have to be about weed. Yeah, sometimes.

It doesn't have to be. But I mean, like, you know, it's kind of what it's about. Cannibal influence, Q. She said cannibal. Cannabis is what I meant to say. I meant to say cannabis. I meant to say cannabis. But yeah, I mean, the word stoner appears in a couple of songs on this record.

So the funny thing is about the origin of the term stoner rock, stoner metal. It's up for debate or whatever. But I was reading an article where this guy was talking about a lot of people point to this compilation record that this company this record label called Roadrunner Records put out in 97 called Burn One Up, Music for Stoners. A lot of people point to that record and say, hey, there it is. That's the origin of it. But the point, well, the point he's trying to make is that Sleep was already doing it, you know, five years earlier with references to, like there's a lyric. Actually, we'll get to it later because we're going to play that song.

Yeah, so I was under the impression that stoner metal was a totally different sound. style of metal. It does have some different characteristics to it, but it's a lot like it's like I said, it's, I think stoner metal like stems off of you know, like desert rock and yeah and but they're all

I'm telling you, they're all like on the same yeah if it's like the freaking the uh, the species tree or whatever in nature. Sure. Like some animals are right next to each other, right? Like all of these genres

are on the same freaking branch, right? So anyway. Yeah. But those lyrics that you were reading, to me, I immediately thought of, like, that particular style of, there's a lot of album art from the 70s. You know, the guy that did all the yes album art, all those kind of like fantastic like you said, like sci-fi-looking art. Right, exactly.

Immediately comes to mind. Yeah, exactly. One thing I wanted to point out, they tend to focus on, they like to combine. the word astronaut with another word. Like the name of the song was called Dragonot. They had a song in 2018 called Marijuana or Marijuanaat's theme is what it was called. And then I wanted to also point out that it's like the influence of Sabbath is so apparent that like even, you know, they named their first record, volume one, like I was saying, right?

Right. And Sabbath named their fourth. You know, they also have a volume two that came out. You know, Sabbath had a volume four record. They even did. You can actually, if you get the, if you pick up the reissue of Sleep's Holy Mountain, they did a cover of Sabbath's song Snowblind, which was on that volume four record.

Anyway, and if you paid attention to the bass, the way the bass sounded, it sounds exactly like Kieser Butler. I thought the drumming's very similar as well. Yeah, it's all. Sure. It sounds so much like early Sabbath and whatnot that it's hard to, it's hard not to hear it if you're a fan of early Sabbath stuff. Anyway, speaking of which, this next track has a super Sabbath part to it.

It'll be our second clip because there's two parts. So we'll split this up into two clips. So yeah, we're going to move to the very next track on the record. This song is called The Druid. It's good shit, dude. After hearing that, I would love to hear them cover Beastie Boys fight for your rent. Because of the way they were singing. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's what's interesting. Like the vocals have kind of almost a punk, punk sound to them. Or Beastie Boys, I guess, if you're thinking about that one song, I guess. But yeah, there is that perfect, like, Doom riff that happened. It was kind of after the verse. Can you point to it? Yeah, dude. I want to hear the perfect Doom ring.

This is like quintessential classic Doom riff. Just listen to the way the guitar. It's just that note is held and kind of bent up slowly, really slowly, right? So listen here. Okay. That right there. Got it. And that you can find that all over early Sabbath stuff.

It's really cool. Yeah. And then especially the way he was doing the bass in the background. It sounded straight up like geyser. And then I'm going to jump to another part here. And, you know, if you didn't know that this was sleep, you might be like, hey, this is. It's a cool B-side from like a Sabbath record. If you're sleeping while you're listening and you wake back up.

Yeah, if you close your eyes and squint, it'd be like, this is Sabbath. You can't tell me this isn't Sabbath. You know what I mean? If you fall asleep while listening to sleep, you might wake up and think you're listening to Sabbath. That's confusing to follow that. Let's take a quick break. Let's jump right back in here. So this is the second clip from The Druid.

It goes on like a Sabbath rarities. record. Yeah, but like Sabbath did they would do solos like that quite a bit. Like they would go into like transitions and stuff. And Iommi would sort of transition into a solo like that like quite a bit. And so sleep was, were they kind of bringing this sound of metal back? Yeah. Was it just not happening for a while? Like, no, like there's, you know, it's not like they were the first ones to to bring back the Sabbath metal. Yeah, it was, it never left. But they, they did things with it that, that made it a little bit more, like ahead of its time and stuff.

Gotcha. And like more, a little bit more like contemporary and whatnot. So that's why, like, people, people say that, you know, they were kind of the bridge between the two and sort of, you know, bringing doom, the doom sound, the stoner sound. You could, you could argue that they, that they maybe started the stoner sound. But, you know, it goes back, like, like I was saying, like, like, the stoner sound. I mean, obviously, Sabbath is the origin of the doom sound, right? But the doom metal sound, but like they're, you know, kind of like with emo music and stuff like that, there's like these, these waves, these phases, you know.

Well, was Sabbath not considered one of the first metal bands? Yeah, they're like how. Yes, they are. Okay. They are. But I'm saying they were the first to have that sludgier, slower tempoed metal sound that that really like leaned into like metal and blues right yeah it's just just so much to learn dude i'm just like yeah if sabbath is the first metal band then does not doesn't that just make doom

metal just metal no because like you could say that zeppelin had some metal in there too yeah yeah and that was happening around the same exact same time right so yeah anyway it's like you know if you want to talk about the origin of metal you could even say as sabbath and and zeppelin are or the first like branch the two branches right yeah i always put zeppelin in in in a metal like in that category yeah just heavy heavy hard rock right yeah but that's the start of it you know so sure anyway but yeah i love i love the way that solo really fast the drum the tempo changes and everything and then the way they bring it back to the slow riff at the end perfect dude i love it when bands do that successfully.

You know? Yeah. Man, it's just awesome. Anyway, all right. I got one more track for us. And this is the title track. And this one is eight minutes. So it'll probably be two clips again.

But yeah, so here we go. This song is called Holy Mountain. You just heard right there, Q. Look onto the rays of the new stoner sun, rising. There it is. Stoner. There it is. That's the word. But yeah, look at the lyrics, man. I believe the signs of the reptile master, sunbound space pod rising faster, earth drenched in black under starless sky above. Man on the mountain sets free the holy dove. I mean, it would help if I was stoned. That guy's smoking some good weed. That's what I'm saying.

Like, if he's riding that high. Most of the lyrics are very like, even talk about astral sand, like astral planes and stuff like that, magic caravans. Like it's very, like you can almost smell the, like the incense, you know what I mean?

And the black lights and stuff. But yeah, what'd you think of the song, like the riffs? I loved it. That's one thing that I love about this record is just the the, what's his name?

I got to credit the guy again, the guitar player. Matt Pike, the dude is like a riff machine, you know. That's probably what makes this record maybe stand out from some of the other bands that were doing similar stuff in the early 90s. You think about it, this is right when grunge hit, you know what I mean? Yeah. See, I was trying to think of that too, like the landscape of rock at the time. And I think we talked, this is why we played Sabbath at the end of the Allison Chains episode,

because, you know, Alice and James were like the heavier side. The heavier grunge. Yeah. Sure. They sort of pulled from not at all like this band's sleep, but I mean, they pulled from the heavier side of like metal and stuff like that. But anyway. So, and I know that I risk getting skewered by you once more.

This is a safe place. It's a safe place. Okay. Well, I was getting some, oh, God. Some James Hetfield vibes from those vocals. I don't know, man. Where? Like what part in particular?

I don't remember. James Hetfield, what era of James Hedfield? Oh, dude, I don't know. Well, he has a very distinct, like, there's a change that happens. Well, let's just put it this way. 90s or 80s? 80s. Okay.

That's the best I can do for you, brother. I don't hear it, but they're not even in, like, the same, like, key or register or whatever. but it's okay all right well I was thinking more of I guess the vocal melodies maybe

I'm not saying like he sounds like James Hedfield I'm trying to I'm trying to to make that connection but I can't I'm not hearing it

I want to I feel like I should apologize to Mitchell as well I know he's listening he's probably screaming screaming into his phone right now yeah probably

but like okay well let's just since you talked about Metallica Metallica is on the opposite end of the spectrum because they're a thrash metal band or at least they started as a thrash I just know nothing I know nothing but thrash the only it's the reason I'm saying opposite

into the spectrum is because thrash is fast that's that's the whole thing sure doom is a little bit slumber so anyway it's right cue you know what you've just taken your first step into a larger world and I think it sounds like you're enjoying this so see I'm just I'm going to immediately take two steps back dude because it's just I just don't gravitate towards this stuff well that's what I was going to say like when I play it for you on this pod I enjoy it whereas like hey I like listening to that but then you never you never seek it out I'm not seeking this out brother you have to be I don't know I guess you have to be in the right mindset maybe to gravitate toward metal well and you've been a metal fan quote unquote yeah for I'm not for a decade I'm not at all I feel like I'm at a

I don't want to call myself a metal head because I'm not as dedicated as die hard metal fans who, that's all they listen to. There's no need to put labels on it. But what I'm saying is like, yes, metal is one of my go-to genres. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot that I have no clue about either. So it may sound like I know what I'm talking about, but I barely scratch the surface on metal as well. So it tells you just how much there is to metal, you know.

But anyway, I'm going to shout out. Well, we got one more clip to play from this song, but I want to shout out. I don't know if she's listening or not. But I used to work with somebody named Hannah, and she introduced me to sleep. So I just want to give her a shout out. She is a legit metal head, metal fan. She's earned that for sure. So anyway, she would go to metal shows all the time, get up in the freaking mosh pit and stuff.

Anyway, she's awesome. So she's also married to a guy that's in a Doom metal band. Nice. Like I said, she, apologies if Doom is not one of the genres that they actually attribute to themselves. But I think it's a Doom metal band because one of his biggest idols is Josh Ham, Josh Hami of Queen's of the Stone Age. Oh, you're talking about her husband? Yeah. Anyway.

Okay. All right. Let's keep playing the song here. So like I said, the song is almost nine minutes long. We only played about three minutes of it. I know that there's some other parts to this song, like some changes and stuff. So let's find it.

Let's find that change. I don't know where it happens. I'm just going to push play. When it all cut out to the just the bass guitar, that was really cool, man. Super bluesy. Yeah. And that's, again, it's a nod to like early Sabbath.

They did that on the first record quite a bit. Yeah, they would have these little transitions. like that between songs. But yeah, that was a good way to close out the episode as far as like, that right there is like Doom, Doom metal, like right there. Doom. Yeah. Slow, bluesy, sludgy, like heavy guitar tones.

Does a lot of Doom metal kind of steer into instrumental lanes for a little bit in the songs? Is that a staple of the genre? Well, I think it just kind of comes with like the, the, the, the slow the slowness of it because like as you heard in several of the songs like they let this the riff kind of play like for you know quite a bit they let it just sit there and breathe it's very repetitive almost yeah that's kind of part of it though the the sludgy so before the you know before the verse starts before the singing start or in between parts and whatnot I think that's all kind of part of it and like let me just say it this is one of the coolest album arts cover arts that

that uh that I've seen in a while dude it It's dope. And it's got, you know, it's got marijuana leaves in it and stuff like that. So again, like that's why people point to Holy Mountain perhaps is like the origin of stoner. Stoner metal. Like maybe nobody called it that, but. Yeah. It's a cool little doodle.

Yeah. Doodle art. I love everything about, dude. That's one thing I miss about the 90s, you know, I think graphic design did a lot of that kind of stuff. What was the artist, like the coked out looking rat cartes? tune that's riding on the tiny little car. He shows up in the Beavis and Butthead. Goes way before the 90s, but yeah.

Rat Fink or something. Yeah. That style, very 90s. Yeah, yeah. Rat Fink. 1963, Q. Holy shit. But yeah.

Well, that's exactly what I'm thinking of, that style of art. That style does definitely look like it. You're right. So, yeah, as I was saying, the album used the word stoner in the lyrics of two songs. There's cannabis leaves on the cover. So a lot of people say that this is like one of the origins, origin points of stone of rock. Very cool. A lot of people, if they were to choose between this record and one called dope smoker, a lot of people say...

Is that a sleep album? Yeah, that's a sleep album. That's what I'm saying. Like, they don't... Doep smoker. It's called dope smoker. It was originally called Jerusalem. And then they, I think they re-released it as dope-smoker.

But a lot of people point to that one as like the best sleep record. but I think Sleep's Holy Mountain is considered to be more influential on later Doom bands that came out. But with Dope Smoker, there's a track, the track called Dope Smoker is one hour and three minutes long. Holy shit. So talk about sludging through the muddy waters, man. Yeah. And there was kind of an experimental, they were kind of experimenting with that doom sludgy sound. So it's an hour long.

It's kind of, you know, so anyway, if you want to go on a real trip, listen to Dobsmoker. Can you even fit an hour, an hour's worth of song onto one side of a record? That's a great question, Q. Probably. We're just aging ourselves. Maybe. I feel like a little bit. Maybe.

So do you have a favorite doom metal band? I mean, so that's the thing like I would probably point to Caius as my favorite doom metal band. but Caius obviously also has the desert rock label on them and stoner rock. A lot of people, maybe some people would probably say that Caius isn't a doom metal band. But there's a song in particular that I think we played on the Caius episode that we did. That to me is a great example of the Doom sound. That song, Demon Cleaner. Demon Cleaner by Caius to me is like a perfect example of a doom, the Doom sound, you know.

Let's just play it real quick, you. That is one of my favorite riffs of all time, dude. Me too, man. All time. And that's-I love that. That's our boy fucking Josh Hami, dude. That's Homi, and that's what Homi does best. Anyway, but to me...

And this came out in 94, so that was just two years after that sleep record came out. Right, right. So anyway, I know that Kias is primarily like a desert stone or rock band. But to me, and like I've been saying this whole time, like they all share elements, similar elements to each other. So it's all under the same like umbrella and stuff. But anyway, I love it. Yeah, I feel like I haven't really dove too deep into Doom. Bands that are considered Doom and that's all they're considered.

You know what I mean? I feel like I listen to bands that just kind of stay in this pocket of like Desert Stone or Doom and sort of play with all those elements, you know, like Caius. Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's hard not to want to just stay in that vibe. Yeah. Anyway, all right, man. So that was sleep. And so our plan now, our plan, next week we're going to cover a shoegaze, man. Shoegase, right? Which is fucking, I'm stoked. So we did. Shoe gaze has shown up plenty of times on this podcast in what you heard in maybe year. end recaps and like, oh yeah, decade, decade wrap up.

And I think we've, clarified this enough times, but I'll say it again, shoegaze, dream pop, two sides of the same coin. Yeah, exactly. Another reason why it's shown up so many times in this podcast,

it's one of our favorite genres collectively. Between the two of us, like shoegaze is one of our favorite genres for sure. Absolutely. And but for me, and I know with you as well, maybe shoegaze and Dream Pop, is the same thing, but there's a distinct difference in my mind between the two genres.

I agree, but that's kind of exactly what we're talking about with stone and rock and doom metal. Yeah, yeah. They're kind of two sides of the same coin in a lot of ways, but distinct, distinct differences. So here's the question. Are we going to do a more modern contemporary shoegaze band? Or, you know, I think we should do something more contemporary, actually, because we already did an episode on my bloody Valentine. Well, I already picked him out, remember. You already have a damn?

I already got one in mind, dude, yeah. Okay. So this is, I guess, contemporary. This is an album from 2007, I believe. But here's the deal. This is going to be more in the My Bloody Valentine arena. Yeah, that's fine. And that's because it's got that more like wall of sound kind of heavier distortion sounding kind of feeling,

which is what I wanted to. I wanted to pair that with Doom metal, especially if our plan after that is to cover some Doom gaze. Yeah. Yes, because I will tell you, I think, I think Doom, Doom gaze, which is a real thing, people, if you're not, if you don't believe this. But Doom gaze does the wall of sound, but with the distortion cranked up even higher, it's metal. It's that wall of sound, you know, characteristic of shoe gaze, but. Through like a metal lens, like the drop de tuning on the, whatever tuning the guitars have and shit like that.

Anyway, we'll get into that later. So the band that we're going to cover next week, I'm referencing that amazing shoegaze roadmap that I brought up a couple months ago, I guess. Basically, it's a start here map, and it's got arrows pointing to all these different artists that kind of stem, you know, branching off all the different directions of shoe gaze. My Bloody Valentine, slow dive, and ride are the three bands in the middle. This band that we're covering next week, and I don't know how to pronounce this name, they're from Japan, Tokyo. O-L, O-E-I-L.

I don't, I just, O-L, O-E-W-E-E-W-E? It's, yeah, it's bad. But they are only one artist, removed from My Bloody Valentine. So they're very similar. What do you mean by that? In style. On this map.

Oh, on the map. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I thought you meant like one of the members from My Bloody Valentine was like in the My Bad. Yeah. Now, on this map, you don't have to go too far from My Bloody Valentine to get to. Gotcha.

Specifically this album of theirs, which is Urban Twilight. Okay. And it's only five songs on this record. I'm really excited, man. Dude, that's, that's obscure, man. That's obscure, which is cool, but we're doing more of a, like a more obscure, obscure band. Yeah, I'm excited to dive into it. Awesome.

So, yeah, that's going to be who we cover next week. All right. So, yeah, that was that. Just random, random idea we had, doom, shoegaze, doom gaze. That's actually kind of an interesting thought, dude. And I betcha there's a lot of genre pairings that we could do that with. You know what I mean? For sure, man.

All right. So next week we're talking about. oil or whatever that's probably yeah I'll figure it out dude I'll get the prevency it's so man why why do we do this to ourselves so just happens man I don't know if it's not a last name that we can't pronounce it's the band name that we can't pronounce well I didn't I used to pronounce Joss Homs I'm still pronouncing it wrong Josh Hommi's name homie yeah me too me too I don't even remember how I pronounced it but it was wrong yep all right that's that you

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Snow Blind which actually came out on a Black Sabbath tribute record here's the thing about Sabbath dude record labels have been putting together like metal record labels

this is a thing that's been gone on for a long time they will have their artists do a cover of a Sabbath song and it'll go on to a compilation record. I actually brought, remember for our year-end recap episodes, I brought a band that did a cover of Sleeping Village and that was another metal record label called Third Eye Records, I think, that put out a Black Sabbath tribute. So anyway, it's just funny because this came out in like 95 or something like that, this tribute. It must feel good to be Sabbath, man.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Everybody wants to pay, all these years. Yeah, you got to pay tribute to the fucking the fathers, man, you know? Yeah. All right, so here is sleep covering Black Sabbath's snowblind to take us out. And we will talk to you guys next week. My name is Travis. And I'm Quentin.

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