No Filler Music Podcast - Stone Temple Pilots - Purple

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

Stone Temple Pilots saw huge success with their testosterone-filled debut album Core, but struggled to gain any love from the Cobain acolytes who insisted they weren't truly grunge (they were from San Diego after all). After a stint of touring and loads of in-fighting, the band returned to the studio to record their second record. Less than one month later, the band emerged with a sound that was uniquely theirs, incorporating elements of psychedelic, country, and blues-rock with the grunge flavor from Core. Purple debuted in June of 1994 at number one on the charts, and went on to sell 3 million copies after just four months. Tracklist Stone Temple Pilots - Interstate Love Song Stone Temple Pilots -Dead & Bloated Stone Temple Pilots -Lounge Fly Stone Temple Pilots -Silvergun Superman Stone Temple Pilots -Army Ants Twin Peaks - Casey's Groove Twin Peaks - I Found A New Way Scattle - Humanize Stone Temple Pilots - Andy Warhol (David Bowie Cover) This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast Network. ***For a limited time only, use the promo code NOFILLER at adamandeve.com for 50% off one item plus other some FREE stuff!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Home Depot, how doers get more done. And welcome back to No Filler, the music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is Travis. Got my brother Quentin with me as always. You were in week two of quarantine. Actually, I'm in week two of quarantine. You've been in this longer than I have since you're up there in Washington.

Yeah, my restaurant closed down March 15th. Yeah, so it's been a minute, man, since I've been out of this house. I mean, other than, like, getting some groceries. Yep, I hear you. I don't know if we test on this last time or not, but, you know, I'm just working remotely from home. So my day to day really hasn't changed as far as like what I'm doing. It's just where I'm doing it, you know. Right.

I'm just working doing the same thing, talking to the same people. I'm just doing it from the same room that I'm talking to you from right now. So let me ask you this because I'm a bartender. So I have to work at a restaurant to be employed. Right. Do you like working from home? Do you think that you guys, do you think more people are going to? going to try to transition to remote working after all this is over? No, no. Well, I mean,

obviously it depends on the type of work you're doing, but I like going to work. The culture at my company is like very, you know, it's a place you actually want to go to work. We are much more collaborative like we're in a room together. It's just harder to, you know, I can't, I can't turn around and sketch something out on a whiteboard if nobody else is. in the room, you know. I don't even have a whiteboard to begin with, so there you go. Yeah. No, not for our company.

No way. We're a creative agency, you know? Like, we need to be around each other. And you can't, you know, wad up that piece of paper and hurl a spitwad at your cubicle buds when you're at home. You know what I mean? Well, technically, my cubicle bud is my wife because she's also working from home remotely and we share the same office so I could if I wanted to.

Don't do that. I don't encourage that by anyone. I'm not a bully. Never have been. I don't think I've ever once. That's got to be the worst, man. Come on. Dude,

I've never once done that. And dude, you want to talk about, you want to see a decline in spitballs, dude, by bullies? Oh, yeah.

With the coronavirus? Or, if anything, we're going to see an increase, maybe. Do you hear about, like, these kids that have been running around grocery stores,

coughing on produce and, like, licking shit? Dude. They need, they need to be, uh, what was that TV series on MTV or whatever? where they would send kids.

Yeah, they need to be scared straight, dude. No, apparently some kid, I don't know, did like a TikTok or something. Okay, yeah. He was doing it for the lulls, is what you're saying. He was doing it for the lulls. And he got, like, tried for terrorist threats. I like that. Right?

Think about, yeah, that's fucking nuts, man. Because people are saying, hey, you know, at least we could still get groceries. Well, not with that, that shit's going down. Yeah, dude. I'm glad that they caught his ass, man. All right, cute. Well, that's happened a few times. Yeah.

What are you doing, man? All right, all right. So, yeah, we, we said that we would have a little, little COVID chat in the beginning. So, you know, until this is, this is over, I imagine we're going to be talking about this. So anyway. You know what, dude? Hashtag, not my virus. Yeah.

I haven't heard that one. I just made that up. I just not, dude. All right. Well, good. That's a good one. It's not going to bring me down. No, it's not.

Okay. So this is our second full-length episode, although our side tracks are starting to become full-length episodes nowadays. But it's our second full-length episode in the pocket of 90s grunge, 90s alternative music. And today we are talking about Stone Temple Pilots' second debut, but that wouldn't make any sense, what are you? Second record, Purple. Came out in 1994 the same year that Kirk Cobain died, and many people considered to be the end of grunge. The end of, you know, there's these grunge waves,

kind of like with email, we talked about all those, the waves of emo music, right, when we did Arjima World episode. Right. People are saying that the death of Cobain is essentially the death of second wave grunge and basically stoned to the pilots and others go on with third wave grunge. So when did dirt come out by Allison Janes? Same year, I believe that never mind came out. 1991, I believe.

Let's find out. Okay. Yeah, I think I think 91 is when basically, wait, 92 is Alice. and changed dirt. 92 is, 91 is nevermind. Green River, right? We talked about Green River. Their first kind of quote unquote grunge record came out in 1985.

So that's first wave, right? Second wave is like 91 to 94, pretty small window. But basically when Cobain dies, that's the end of that wave. And then it keeps going after that. And a lot of people, you know, we talked about this briefly, I think, in our very first episode when we, you know, talked about why we didn't talk about Bush and went with Allison change instead. Yeah.

Is because a lot of people didn't consider Bush a true grunge artist. A lot of people have the same kind of commentary about Stunton of Pilots. You know, they weren't even from Seattle, you know, they were from Sandy A. You know? Yeah. But yeah. And here's the thing. Purple is a good example of kind of what happened to grunge after COVID.

You know what I mean? It really is kind of like Cobain and then post Cobain. So I know you hate it when I bring this up, dude, but I think it's important to remind people that... Yes, we were born in 1987. Is that what you're going to say? Right. I don't have a lot of commentary on this because I was not old enough to be, you know, listening to music on my own and like noticing the changes in the landscape. Right?

Like, no, we weren't alive during it, but that doesn't mean we can't have something to say about it. Yeah, you're right. Okay. I like to look at this stuff up and look into it. I guess what I should say is I never went back and listened to Stone Timble Pilots when I got older. And a lot of these grunge, you know, alternative rock bands from the 90s, I never revisited when I grew up. So I've kind of done the opposite. I've gone back and dove.

little bit deeper into each of these iconic grunge artists, you know, especially Alice and Chains. I mean, they're probably my favorite grunge, you know, if you want to put them in that group. They're obviously a little bit on the heavier side of grunge, which is probably why I like them. Yeah. So the only songs of Stone Temple pilots that I know are ones that played on those rock stations, you know, from the 90s that were blasted at that local swimming pool that we hung out at all the time during the summer dude right it was just that right it was the local rock station yeah so what was the singles on purple what was what was the song we we introduced us in with i don't even know the name of that song dude that was interstate love song and let me tell you something man that is one of

my favorite rock songs out of the 90s honestly i love that song another another song that you probably recognize cue vaseline you remember that right flies don't let the day we go by not it. Vaseline. But if we, if we, if we go back to their, their debut record, Core, which was a lot heavier than purple in more sort of, you know, that quote unquote, there was a term that I read for it, um, fake grunge, I guess. Same kind of haters that would get on to Bush.

Core had, let me, let me see the singles. Sex type thing and plush. Now, you know those songs, Q. You might not know the song names. But, you might come on. Wicked Garden? Everybody knows Wicked Garden. Here's the funny thing about Wicked Garden, Q.

Do you remember when those two fellas came over to our house and we did sort of like a competition with them? They played Wicked Garden and we played, I think I did a rendition of Jimmy Hendricks' Star-Spangled Banner. Wait a second, man. Hang on. Are you talking about the two guys that we went to? school with? Yeah, Tyler and Craig, I think their names were. Yeah. One was a drummer, one was a guitar player. Dude. Do you remember the name of their band? No. I hope you do. Oh, dude, I got it. What was it? What was it? They were called forte premises. Forte premises. That's right. What does that even mean?

That means loud place. Okay. Well, that's why I don't remember it. That's another one of those classic examples of that, you know, those band name aggregators? Yeah, yeah, all the rage back in the day. Yeah, you could go to our website probably right now. I bet you they're still there. Oh, I'm doing it right now, dude. I could code one up in five seconds if you want me to. Band name aggregator. Ready?

Yeah, let's do it. Let's find out what our next band name is here. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, here we go. Oh, my God. Probed of the dumping. Okay. Chronicles of Serenity.

Come on, these sounds like song names, man. Behind blowout surgeon. All right. Well, these are bad, dude. That's unfortunate. Anyway, yeah, but I'm just saying, Stone Temple Pilots, their songs, they were all over the place, like you said, you know. Did I say that? I didn't say that.

And especially once you get to purple, which is what we're talking about today, they start to expand and sort of, you know, it's the next evolution in Grounds music. They start to step away from the stereotypes of grunge and incorporate a lot more styles into it. So yeah, let's talk about this for a little bit here, Q. So here's just a little quick summary of what was going on before they recorded Purple. So they appear on MTV Unplugged, Q, 1993. And they debut one of the singles off of Purple before it comes out on MTV Unplugged. and that was a single Big Empty. So people hear that song before the record comes out

because they play it live on MTV Unplugged. Pretty cool. Purple then comes out June of 1994, debuts number one on the charts. By October of that same year, Purple had sold 3 million copies. So the reason that's important is because they didn't have as much success with their debut record.

I mean, it was still, it was still successful, but it wasn't, it wasn't three million copies successful, you know? Mm-hmm. While the album was a major commercial success, I'm talking about core now, their debut, in the press, they were criticized as quote unquote, grunge imitators, which is kind of funny, right? I mean, I guess we talked about it earlier where it's like, it's like, if you didn't come from Seattle, you somehow couldn't be true grunge, you know?

Right. Yeah. And this, dude, this is 90. Okay, when did their first one come on? 92. Yeah. So this is one year after. Never mind.

How can you get called imitators when grunge itself is only a couple years old? Three or four years old? I think it's because. Hey, that's not fair. Well, there's reasons that snowdip pilots, like I said, you can hear it in purple for sure. they spread their wings a little bit, you know? Yeah. I also read that Cobain had a lot to do with sort of deeming who was grungeworthy.

Like apparently Cobain said something along the lines of like, oh, you know, Pearl Jam, they're too commercially successful or something like that. And that caused some people to be like, yeah, well, Pearl Jam's not true grunge then. Didn't you hear what Cobain said? So like Cobain is going around sort of like crowning people. Okay. He's sort of deeming like whatever he says goes kind of thing. That's just how much power that guy had. Would you be cool with listening to a song from Core?

Yes, absolutely, do I love Core. Let's do it. I mean, do you want to do a single or what? Nope. No, you don't want to do a single. All right, do the very first song, dude. Do the very first song. It's called Dead and Bloated.

This is an interesting song. This is from Core. It came out in 92. It's got a really cool intro too. Dude, let's see how much of an imitation this is. Yeah, you tell me if this sounds like Grunge, what you think Grunge. is. I mean, that doesn't sound like...

I mean, it doesn't sound like Nirvana. I mean, yeah. If that's the only criteria, well, sure, because they're not Nirvana, you know? No, but here's the thing. Like, you know, we talked about this during our muddle month, during our metal month, uh, with bands like Kimis. Mm-hmm. Like, I doubt Stone Temple pilots were getting together as a band for the first time and being like, all right, guys, where do you guys want to sound like? You guys want to do grunge? Let's do grunge. You know what I mean?

Right. I don't see the point in trying to place labels on bands. Yeah. It doesn't help anyone. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's true with any kind of fan base, right? I mean, you got all those people, you know, Star Wars fanatics, right, that are out there. You got all those different camps of Star Wars fans who just pretend like their prequels never happened, you know.

and then there's some people who can appreciate it for what it is. Yeah. It's the same kind of thing, right? So these people who are diehard Nirvana fans who are the keepers of grunge, you know, yeah, it's going to be a little bit harder to gain their favor, you know. So anyway, actually, so I've got a good quote here. This is going to, this is good. This is from an article, this online publication called title, T-I-D-A-L, like a title wave.

They did like a 25-year retrospective review on purple. So he was talking about core and he said, To be fair, Sun Tipple Pilots debut core did not sound or feel wholly authentic. Whereas their grunge contemporaries were a blend of previous decades, sounds, and genres. STP appeared as an unholy amalgamation of current bands. If the quote-unquote classic grunge sound was a mix of the Stooges and Bulletin, lowy, deep purple and lead Zeppelin, STP's

grunge come lately, was widely panned by critics as merely a watered down blend of other 90s artists. Entertainment Weekly wrote that SP, this is funny. Entertainment Weekly wrote, STP sounds like it has crash landed

Pearl Jam into Allison chains. Rolling Stone called it a testosterone fest. So there you go. didn't have much love in the in the press and you know that's kind of funny it watered down blend of other 90s rock bands so here here's the only reason that's pretty brutal man that's brutal but i think what's what's good to keep in mind about all of that knowing that was their debut and hearing that song dead and bloated i'm glad that you decided to play that actually is now that when we listened to what was on purple uh you can kind of see how they

sort of transcended that because they basically started to incorporate their, you know, take their sound of their own hands basically and shape it into something different. So, all right. Let's get into that cue. Let's play our first clip from Purple. And we're going to play, we're going to play just the intro. Well, actually, it's a good. It's at least in the first verse, but I only have one clip for this song.

And what I want you to pay attention to is the intro to this. And then we'll talk about what's interesting about that. So this song is called Lounge Fly. Okay, dude. So this is going to be a sign of our age and our circumstances with what we listen to back in the 90s. I feel like, and this is a damn shame, I feel like Creed ruins this for me. Ruin. So are you saying that what was that guy's name?

fucking Scott Stipe. Stap. Yeah. Are you saying he's got a similar voice or something? I feel like, for one, I feel like Creed totally ripped off Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah, they have a very similar voice.

Yeah. And I don't know. Dude, I can't get into it, man. All right, all right. Well, you know, save your judgment for later. Because I think you'll, I think you'll be a fan by the end of this. We got two more songs to play.

Okay. So hold your, Hold your horses, and then you can shit all over the band later. I did. I thought the, I guess the melody, the, it was pretty interesting. It was almost not, it wasn't grunge, right? There's nothing grunge about it. No, no, it definitely wasn't grunge.

Okay, so that's the whole point. The only reason I played this song, so at the very beginning and the very, the intro, that's the band sort of experimenting and playing around with tape manipulation, okay? That intro was really cool. Yes. So, um, this, this is kind of part. of this record. They bring a lot of their other influences into this record that they didn't do with core. And so the band members are kind of known as being influenced and fans of David Bowie and

Brian Wilson and stuff like that. And so this tape manipulation thing is kind of a response from that. And our outro track is actually going to be another song that they did on MTV Unplugged, which was a cover of a David Bowie song. So we'll do that as our outro. But anyway, here's an interview that they did back in 94 with Billboard. And I think it's Scott Wayland talking. He's a lead singer. He's talking about the bass player here. For Loungefly, Robert had this whole part worked out in his head where he's playing the harmonics on an opening tuning on his 12-string guitar and would then run it backwards. Actually, I'm sorry, that's Kretz talking. Kretz is a drummer. Okay. So that way, the decay is before the note. Then we ran that as a loop and I came up with the melodic Tom thing

on the drums and put that through a loop and developed the sound for the beginning that way. It was a lot of fun to try new stuff. The more we delved into the studio, the more we discovered what we can do. You listen to all those great Queen and Zeppelin albums and there's just so much going on there, you have to ask yourself, how are they getting all those effects? That was kind of funny, right? I think that was one of the things about Grudge music, everybody loved, right? Is how, like, raw and, like, stripped down everything was, you know what I mean? It was just distortion, basically, you know?

Yeah, yeah. But Snowdenable Pilots are going into the studio for their second recording, and they're wanting to expand and experiment more, right? So you get stuff like this. and you get more different sounding genres too. So the thing about this record, and Loungefly delves into psychedelic rock a little bit, and that would be that tape manipulation.

Same with this next track that we're going to play called Silver Gun Superman. But what do you also hear, and you kind of hear it on the way that he sings, especially on Interstate Love Song, especially with the guitar in Interstate Love Song, which is the intro track that played us in, there's some country vibes a little bit.

And I kind of hear that sometimes in some of the way that Lane Staley would sing of Allison Chains, which is funny. I hate country music. I've never, never understood it. Never, it's never really appealed to me at all. But I do like grunge music quite a bit. And I like it when there's a little bit of that twang in there, which is funny because I, I loathe country music. Dude, but I'm a, I'm a sucker for twang too. It's just got to be done right.

Right, exactly. Hello, it's freaking Dwayne Eddie, man. Have twingy guitar well travel? Oh, sure. Anyway, all right. So, yeah, let's play our next track here. This song is called Silver Gun Superman, and I've got two different tracks here,

two different clips from this song. So let's just play the first one. Yeah, so there's distorted guitar. It's, you know, it, hang on. There is the story of guitar. No, okay, but my point is, okay, There is something different between this style of grunge, if you want to call it that, and Nirvana.

Yeah, no doubt. Here's what purple, to me, what it signifies. Yes, Cobain died the same year. So it's almost like, kind of like you're saying, like there was that definitive grunge sound that Nirvana defined. and then Sonsuil Pilots were lumped into that grunge label and like

actually were criticized as being like a watered down version of it, whatever that meant, with their first record. But with Purple, I don't know if there's anything to be said about this because obviously they were recording most likely

writing these songs like before Cobain died. But I wonder if any of these bands felt like, okay, you know, Cobain's dead. That wave is over. Let's take it and go somewhere else with it, you know?

Like, probably not, right? It just feels more polished. What do you mean by that, though? Do you just mean like the way that the, like, it's not, it's not as, it's not as heavy or it's not as grungy? I mean, it's still, it might be even more distorted, you know? I mean, it's even, it feels a little bit more heavy to me. It's not heavier. The, the chugging of the guitar strings.

it almost feels more like a metal band. Dude, okay. You were asleep during that clip. You must have been. No, dude. Or you were listening to something else in your headphones. Because there's, it's, it's not any heavier than Nirvana by any means. Would you?

Okay. How about compared to Allison Chains? Oh, Allison Chains is heavier than Nirvana. You've learned nothing. But in between Allison Chains and. And Nirvana, where do you put Stone Temple Pilots? Do they lean more towards Nirvana or Allison Chains? Their sound is more, it's more wide-ranging than both of the bands.

Although Allison Chains, you know, some of the songs on Jarrah Flies and sap the EP are just like these beautiful acoustic songs, right? So Allison Chains had a lot of range in that regard too, but they were more of like metal grunge, right? So if you were to try to put these three bands, if we were just isolating and talking about these three bands, Allison Chains is heaviest, and then Nirvana and then Stone Temple Violets, for sure. So anyway, let's play the next track, and this is like kind of plays into the solo here. They have this really cool bridge with some like really cool, like harmonizing stuff. And I think you'll see why this song has kind of has got the psychedelic label put on it in some way. because they kind of play with that sound a little bit here for sure. Anyway, this is the second clip here from Silver Gun Superman.

I like that, dude. You like that bridge? I liked the vocal delivery, I guess, the vocal delivery and the, like the harmonizing in that. Yeah, right, right. But dude. And the guitar solo, right? Yeah, the guitar solo is great. But what I meant when I said, they feel heavier to me than Nirvana.

I feel like it's more in like the chords, the guitar chords. I don't think you listen to a Nive Nirvana. You're probably right, dude. I guess it depends on what you mean by heavy. I mean, if you just mean more distorted, then yeah, maybe sometimes here and there. But I think that Cobain's, Cobain's guitar sound was more dense. You know what I mean? It had more of like a punch to it, you know?

It was, it was fuzzier. That goes back to me when I say this just sounds a little bit more polished. Okay. So talking about polish, now this is actually a good segue cue into what I was about to talk about. So maybe that can be attributed to the producer maybe, right? Oh, yeah. Producers name is Brendan O'Brien. And he had actually produced their first record.

He also had done some stuff before that with Black Crows and Red Hot Chili Peppers. So he's kind of known as this like premier producer for the Grunge era. And so what they talk about with this record, here's a quote from DeLeo. I don't know which DeLio because there's two DeLos in Stone's of the Pilots, the DeLio brothers. It's either the guitar player or the bass player. He says that the record is truly performed. Brendan suggested we get our live gear in the studio and record like we play. played live. We literally played live in the studio. We had monitors and there's a lot of bleed. That's

how Brendan was. He wasn't concerned with bleed. He goes on to say that rather than focus on creating a sterile environment where he could lift and separate every sound, he simply let the band perform in a natural state, blood be damned. This is actually not the musician speaking. This is the person who wrote this article. He says, O'Brien did the same for Pearl Jam for most of their career. as well, possibly another one of the reasons why STP was compared so forcefully to Pearl Jam. So I guess what they mean by bleed is that these instruments aren't like isolated. You know what I mean? Right.

It's all getting picked up from whatever mics are in the room. Which I think, I think, yeah, why this guy is considered a premier producer of the Grunge era. That's one of the things that I know about Grunge is that it was about trying to step away from the highly produced like, you know, records of the 80s and stuff rock records over the 80s yeah can I just fucking can we just appreciate this picture dude I guess we have to put this on the on the website on the yeah we have to what do you what are you Judas priest yeah I was gonna say I mean come on man he that's exactly what he's doing yeah there's a picture of Scott Whelan wearing a like a leather a leather hat and a leather vest with half a nip showing like

half-sleeved gloves, whatever you call those. What are they called? They're called gloves, I guess, Q. They go all the way up to the elbow. Yeah, he looks like Rob Halford of Judas Priest. Well, speaking to Leather, dude, you know, we got all this fucking free time, dude. We've been trying to spice it up in the bedroom. Oh, yeah?

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And you know what, cute? Yeah, dude. Now that you're talking about that, that actually makes me think of something here. Yeah, I'm sorry, man, this is kind of off track, dude. That's fine. When I saw, dude, when I saw that fucking leather, Vest. It made me think it's spicy time. I don't blame me for going there.

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This last song we're going to talk about is called Army Ants. I don't know how I tie that back in, but I'm just saying it's just no way to tie that into spicy assless chaps, dude. You don't want to step in a pile of army ants if you're wearing assless chaps, unless you're into that kind of thing. So I talked about, I mentioned earlier, Interstate Love Songs is one of my favorite songs of the decade as far as rock songs go. That's one of the big singles on this record.

But this song, Q, I'll have to say, I saved the best for last. This song is probably my favorite non-single on the record. So we're going to play the whole song. It's about almost four minutes long, but we're going to play the whole thing. The song is called Army Ants. And I would say, once you get to the main riff on this track, I think this is the closest to grunge to the quote-unquote like grunge 90 sound that you get on this record.

That's what I want to say. All right. Here we go. This is Army Ants. It's a great track, man. It's okay. Come on, man. Sorry, man.

Not my jam. So tell me, all right, let me ask you something to you. Do you like Nirvana? Love Nirvana. Do you like Soundgarden? I really don't know that much about them, honestly. Okay.

Okay. We may have to do a super unknown during our batch of 90s records here. I mean, this is turning into metal month all over again. It is, man. You're right. So, all right. You know what, let me give you, let me give you some credit. When you were trying to say that the Stone's Tip of Pilots is heavier than Nirvana,

on their first record, they certainly get pretty damn heavy. So maybe I was a little too focused on the sound of this record. and the sound of their records that follow that, like, as a whole, STP is not as heavy as Nirvana. But I will say that their first record is definitely, definitely on the heavier sides. I'm going to give you, I'll give you some credit. No, please don't, dude. I've never even listened to their first album, man.

Okay. Well, all right. So, so you're going based off of the clips we've been playing. Yeah. All right. Look, man. Let's just, let's just get this out in the open. Okay.

I don't know if I'll ever be into this kind of music, man. I'm sorry. But that's where I'm confused because if you like Nirvana, it's not like Stone's of a Pylopilots is in a different building than Nirvana. They're definitely in the same building. So what about Nirvana do you like? I like Kirk Cobain as a songwriter and I like Dave Grohl as a drummer. That is why I like Nirvana.

All right. Sure. Well, you know what, Q? We're going to keep this going because we're going to talk about Pearl Jam. next after our sidetrack. Now Pearl Jam is a different, is a whole different, whole different kind of band.

I fucking love Pearl Jam, dude. Okay, well then there you go, Q. You do have more room in your, in your, your toolbox for some, for some grunge. And I even enjoyed, I enjoyed a lot of what I heard from dirt too when we covered dirt.

Yeah, well, Allison Chains is something special, man. They're my favorite, one of my favorite bands, is probably of all time. And that album in particular. Anyway, let's talk about the legacy of this record just real quick here. And this can be kind of fun. We kind of did this in our Jeff Beck episode. We're going to do it again. I'm going to see how many you can guess. So Rolling Stone put this record on their, this is a very specific list here, very narrow in scope. This is Rolling Stone's 40 best records for mainstream alternatives greatest year.

Meaning, this is 40 what they're calling mainstream alternative albums that came out in 1994. And this particular album is number 22 on that list. Can you see if you can name some more records that came out in 1994 that may show up on this list here? it is kind of amazing when you look at telling me that 40 albums

fit into this one category that came out in 1994 well notice how the the category is mainstream alternative that's pretty broad okay yeah it's not just yeah

but you know I'm just going to name it for you I'm going to name off some Bush 16 stone came out in 1994 toady's rubber neck I think we're going to are we going to talk about that record sure I feel like we may have talked about talking about that uh mellow gold by beck came out this year nice uh corn's self-titled record which as you know i love that record

pearl jam vitology sound card super unknown i just talked about that a second ago shout out to our our friends of the uh the uh sounds like weezer podcast because uh the blue record came out this year. And number one on the list, obviously I didn't name all 40 of them there, but according to Rolling Stone, the number one record that came out in 94 falls under mainstream alternative is Green Day's Duky. That came out in 1994 as well. So yeah, there's a lot a lot of things that happened in 1994. That's probably why they came out with this list because it's a very wide-ranging set of albums there, including the cranberries, no need to argue. I mean, 94 is a good snapshot of the sound of the 90s.

You got back in there, you got cranberries? And again, you think about it, 94 is the year Cobain died if you want to look at it that way, you know? Yeah. Not that there weren't as wide a range of records that came out during Nirvana's rain, but, you know, this is the kind of stuff that's happening post-Nirvana. I don't remember off the top of my head when Fu Fighters' first record came out, but... Food Fighters self-title came out in 95, so. But yeah, anyway, like I said, this, this record, to me, had some of the, some of the most, like, or at least to me, songs that I remember from that era, songs that I, that I cherish, Vaseline, Interstate Love Song. Like, I love those songs.

Like, those songs are permanently linked to the 90s, and, like, I associate the 90s rock sound with, with that song. Yeah, Stone Timble Pilots is definitely nostalgic for me as well. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, yeah, that's it, man. That'll do it for our look at Stone Timble Pilots Purple. And we're going to do a sidetrack next week. But first, Q, we're going to have to do our beloved segment, what you heard, where we each bring a song to the table,

something that we heard over the last week. Doesn't have to be tied to the artist that we're talking about. Doesn't have to be tied to the decade or the genre. It could be anything that you heard over the last week. And Kim, I'm going to let you go first while I scramble to pick something. All right. So shout out once again to the vinyl subreddit on Reddit. I don't even know if that's necessary to say Reddit.com.

Everyone knows what a subreddit is, you know. And the vinyl subreddit is just a community of, you know, vinyl junkies that whatever they're spinning, they snap a picture of the album cover and talk a little bit about it and why they love it. And I always find good music in that community. Jav, have you ever heard of a band called Twin Peaks? That is a show from the 90s, Kim. It is a show from the 90s. It's also a band. So someone was spinning Wild Onion, which is one of Twin Peaks.

early albums came out in 2014 and you know the album cover just spoke to me so so i gave it a listen and right off the rip dude this these guys are straight up like you got some good thin lizzie vibes uh maybe some rolling stones especially in this early stuff so i listened to wild onion all the way through and dude there's even like some i don't know like you know the hives sure yeah it's got some Hives. Garage rock. Yeah, very garage rock. So then I decided to hop, jump a few albums and listen to their latest release. And they have definitely mellowed out a lot. I'm going to let the music speaks for itself. Dude, it's a great record. This album came out last year. It's called Lookout Low. Again, this is a band called Twin Peaks. And this song is called Casey's Groove. Yeah, there's a lot of interesting

interesting stuff going on there, Q. Yeah, dude, I fucking love it, man. The whole album's fantastic. Yeah, dude, there's still like some Allman Brothers guitar work. Yeah, okay. Yeah, good call, good call. Yeah, dude, but like I said, do not expect to hear anything like that if you hop down to one of their first albums, Wild Onion.

Okay. Totally different, dude, I just want to play just to, dude, just listen to this. Okay, here's the first track from Wild Onion. I fucking love it. just as much, but again, totally different. This one's called I Found a New Way. Now, I'm pulling this out of, out of left field here, but Mooney Suzuki, you remember those guys? Oh, yeah. He kind of has that, the vocals kind of sound like that a little bit. I'm really into Twin Peaks right now. It's just one of those bands that I, that I missed. And it's cool that I can, you can go back and, you know,

that I've got all these albums to listen to. And I was pleasantly surprised when I heard, when I heard the new stuff from Lookout Low and how different it was. So anyways, dude, that's what I've been jamming to the last couple days. What you've been heard lately, brother? All right, Q. So I honestly, I don't know much about this guy. He, much like Daft Punk and or, what does that guy, marshmallow? This guy has a mask slash helmet type thing that he wears that looks like,

a sort of like a socket, you know, that you plug something to get to. Okay. He goes by the name Scattel, S-C-A-T-T-L-E. And he's always coming up with new stuff. I'm actually not going to play one of his newer songs. I'm going to play one of his older songs because I've just been kind of listening to him quite a bit. So he kind of falls into the vein of, of, I wouldn't say he falls.

into vapor wave because he's not as like laid back as vapor wave but he's definitely in the synth wave you know vapor wave chill vibes right okay ironically not this track but anyway this song is called humanize and it's off of a record called sketch it came out in 2017 and again this guy he goes by scattle if i can post me in a trance dude it's like hypnotic is that that's a good that's a good thing very cute. That's a good thing. Yeah, yeah. So this guy has a pretty, just making sure, because that's why I like this kind of music. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he has a pretty wide range of sounds, kind of like I was saying, he classifies himself as EDM, lofi, synth wave. So yeah, I just wanted to

bring us back a few weeks to our electronic month with that one. But anyway, yeah, check him out. If you go to Spotify, he's got some stuff on there. But if you go to Band Camp, he's got all of his releases. And this guy is super prolific, man. He puts out stuff all the time. Like, I get new release notifications for this guy. It seems like at least once a month, which is, you know, that's pretty prolific. A lot of times it's just like one track, two track singles.

But either way. All right, Q. So that's that, man. That'll do it for this week. And next week we're going to have our sidetrack. episode on Stone Tip of Pilots. I'm not sure what that's going to be just yet. But after that, we're going to talk about

Tin by Pearl Jam. Q. I'm excited to dig into that record, man. Yeah, me too. Me too. I've got to be honest. I've never really given them the listen or like the deep dive that they deserve, you know, as far as like who they are. So like the songs that I know that I'm intimate with, you know, the ones that everybody knows, like even flow.

Jeremy alive. Like man, these songs are fucking great, man. He's one of the best vocalists probably in rock of all time. I think so too. Yeah, no doubt. So anyway, that'll be good times, man.

So anyway, yeah, that's that, man. Check us out on the Pantheon podcast network, a collection of like-minded podcast hosts who talk about all things music, that's pantheonpodcast.com. You could also find us on our website, no filler podcast.com, where we have all of our, all of our previous episodes. Each episode has our show notes where we list out the track list, all the tracks that we

played, and any sources that we cited, if you wanted to go back and read the full interviews and stuff that we quote. And that's that, man. What's our outro, brother? Oh, yeah. Okay. So like I said earlier, the outro is going to be. something off of Stone Temple Pilots

MTV Unplugged Sedlist. And you're going to have to find this on YouTube Q because this is not on Spotify. But this is a cover that they did of a David Bowie song called Andy Warhol. And yeah, it's pretty cool. So anyway,

that is that. Andy Warhol, the song, by the way, is featured on Andy Warhol's what? David Bowie's 1971 album Honky Dory.

In case she didn't know that. And man, it's been covered quite a bit. I just saw this list of covers on the Wikipedia page for this song. Anyway, so yeah, that's that. Next week we'll come at you with a sidetrack episode and we'll see you guys then. My name is Travis.

That was a shitty outro. And my name's Gwen. See y'all next week. Here's what purple, to me, what it signifies. Yes, Cobain died the same year. So it's almost like, kind of like you're saying, like there was that definitive grunge sound that Nirvana defined. And then some type of pilots were lumped into that grunge label

and actually were criticized as being like a watered down version of it, whatever that meant with their first record. But with Purple, I don't know if there's anything to be said about this because obviously they were recording most likely writing these songs like before Cobain died. But I wonder if any of these bands felt like, okay, you know, Cobain's dead. That wave is over.

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