No Filler Music Podcast - The Hives: Harder, Faster, Louder

Episode Date: June 21, 2021

We chat about the one-and-only Hives and what made them such a force to be reckoned with in the garage rock landscape. With their origins as more of a straightforward punk group and their love for new... wave acts like DEVO, they took the garage rock sound and merged it with those 2 elements to create something that was truly unmatched and became one of the greatest live acts of all time. Buckle up: this one's gonna come at you hard, fast, and loud! Tracklist: The Hives - Abra Cadaver The Hives - King of Asskissing DEVO - Girl U Want The Hives - Walk Idiot Walk The Hives - Diabolic Scheme The Hives - No Pun Intended The Hives - See Through Head The Hives - Die, All Right! This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Pantheon is a proud partner of AKG by Harman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:16 So other bands that are not as exciting can play for longer, can play two, three hours, but for a band this exciting, it's actually dangerous for people. And welcome to No Filler. The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is Quentin. I've got my brother Travis with me as always. And dude, if we listen to the hives for more than an hour, an hour and a half, we might risk a heart attack, dude. I really like that quote.
Starting point is 00:02:22 because like you know imagine if imagine if you so what was that was that like a radio interview or like a MTV interview or something yeah yeah some kind of interview backstage somewhere I mean imagine having no clue who they were and then you hear the lead singer say that you're going to go listen to them immediately because it's like I got to hear but he's like it must be intense you know what I mean I mean what better were to describe the hives than just intense death inducing over the top. Yeah, man. There was a movie that came out, kind of a couple of years ago, two, three years ago, a horror movie called Hereditary. I may or may not have talked about it on the show at some point. But, um, a really good movie. Terrifying. But there were articles that came out and they may have even put it into their like promotional material that like people are having heart attacks in this movie. So that's a gimmick. Dude, they've, that's a trick that people have used before. I think they, I think it goes back to like the Exorcist where people were like fainting in the audience and stuff.
Starting point is 00:03:25 But like it made you want to go see it. That's for sure. And I think there was like one story where somebody just happened to, it was their time to have heart attack. Unrelated. I don't know if it was related. Yeah. But anyway, that just kind of makes me think of that. It's like, you know, you got to promote yourself.
Starting point is 00:03:42 You got to make yourself stand out. And I think that's what the hives did really well was made make themselves stand out amongst the rest of the garage rock. landscape, right? Yeah, and here's what happened, dude. They were considered by many music critics as the number one best live rock band to see. Man, yeah, I can imagine. This interview that I pulled that clip from was after the album that we're going to focus on today, which is Tyrannosaurus Hives, which came out in 2004.
Starting point is 00:04:15 That interview was after that album came out. And so they were already riding high by that point. And they already knew that they were hot shit. They knew that they had the best live show around. And they've got this like swagger to them, this persona. Like it's a little gimmicky, but like they just own it through and through. Yeah. And that's what you got to do, man.
Starting point is 00:04:41 If you're going to have a gimmick, you better own it. And like, and you have to live up to the gimmick, right? Right. And they absolutely do. And like, you know, for them, it was just like they had coordinated outfits and stuff. I'm sure their stage show had a lot more to it than just the outfits that they wore and stuff like that. But like it worked for them. Like it worked really well for them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Not every band has any business doing or should wear an outfit because sometimes it just comes off as like you guys just look. You're doing a gimmick. You know what I mean? For some reason, it works for these guys. Yeah. And they wear this like, I don't know, like colonial. I don't know what the name of that kind of tie is. You know what I'm talking about?
Starting point is 00:05:22 It looks like Colonel Sanders. Straight up Colonel Sanders outfit. That's what they wear. It's like rockabilly mixed with like Colonel Sanders or something. I don't know. But yeah. So these guys have actually been around since 1989, if you can believe it. That's absurd.
Starting point is 00:05:41 But they were apparently under a different name and they had a totally different sound. they formed as the hives in 93. So now here's when the legends start. And with every, like, you know, larger than live, best live rock band of all time, you're going to have some legends, you know? There's going to be some folklore.
Starting point is 00:06:03 So first I'll name off the roster. And of course, they've all got nicknames because they're the hives. You've got Howlin, Pel, Alm, okay, so they're Swedish. apologies. Howland Pell-Alm-Kvist.
Starting point is 00:06:20 There's a QN-A-Vee right next to each other. Lead vocals and piano. You've got Nicholas Arson. It's actually Howland's brother, but he goes by a different last name. Guitar, keyboards, backing vocals. Vigilante Carlstrom. Guitar, organ, backing vocals. And Chris Dangerous on drums, also backing vocals.
Starting point is 00:06:44 And at the time, so I'm only going up to 2004. He's no longer their bass guitar, but they used to have Dr. Matt destruction on bass. So here's when the mystery comes in, dude. Okay. So there is a mysterious, quote unquote, sixth member of the band. His name is Randy Fitzsimmons. He's also their manager. So he's George Martin?
Starting point is 00:07:07 Yeah. And he also brought these dudes together. So why is he a mystery? Because he's a manager, so he's behind the scenes. you'd never see him anyway. Because he doesn't exist, dude. I don't... Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:18 That's what the... That's... But I mean, they had to have had a manager, though. Maybe they had so many managers and people had just started calling everybody Randy. No, man. I think you're missing the point. I think... But the point is...
Starting point is 00:07:29 But why would you make a mysterious member that's the manager? There's not the mysterious about a manager? They claim... They claim that every single song written by them was written by Randy Fitzsimmons. Okay. Okay. That's funny. I like that.
Starting point is 00:07:40 So, Randy Fitzsimmons is their manager. He's the one who formed the... band and he writes all their music. And good luck finding him to interview him or anything because he is really hard to track down. Okay. You know what that is? That's a fucking genius, dude.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Because anytime they're getting interviewed about the songwriting process, they can tell you, you're going to have to find Randy and ask Randy. He's not around. We just record the songs that he gives to us. That's funny. And so check this out, dude. So the back album art for Tyrannosaurus Hives, there are six. Six legs, my dude.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Oh, God. So look at the front, it's just the five members. Look on the back, there's six legs. I love that kind of stuff, man. I love it. Genius. Yeah. That's the kind of larger than life, kind of, you know, like when you think of rock and roll,
Starting point is 00:08:29 like legends, there's a lot of that kind of stuff behind, you know, like Led Zeppelin and the stones and the who. You kind of, we lost out on that stuff over the years, man, and the hives are keeping it going. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to, I actually am going to play a few tracks from previous albums leading up to Tyrannosaurus Hives. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I want to just kind of play their progression and sound. So from the get-go, were they, where they bring in this kind of energy? Energy, absolutely. But they were way more just straight up punk prior to the year 2000 when Vinny Viti Vicious came out, which has, I hate to say, I told you so on it. that's when they blew up in America. That's one I remember. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Yeah. But I'm going to jump back to barely legal, which is their first full-length album way back in 1997. So here's a question. Are the strokes nodding to the hives on that song, barely legal? Because, I mean, 97, that predates that song, perhaps. I don't know, dude.
Starting point is 00:09:37 I guess it all depends on how long the strokes were sitting on that track. Right. All right, so they hadn't really found their sound yet, I guess, if you want to put it that way. Same guys, same five guys? Yes. Six guys, sorry, six. Yeah, same six dudes. Maybe, you know what, maybe Randy hadn't showed up yet, so they're still working on their sound.
Starting point is 00:09:56 No, man, he helped form the band. He's been there since then. Yeah, back in 93. I don't know a damn thing about Randy is what we're finding out. No one does, dude. All right, so here's what they were dropping. I'm sorry, here's what Randy was writing. Here's how his music sounded.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Way back in 97. So again, this is their first full-length album. Here is a song called King of Ass Kissing. What do they vote! Just a classic punk rock structure. And then they throw that piano in, which is really cool. You don't expect to hear a piano in a punk song. I mean, that's got Randy Fitzsimmons written all over, dude.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Yeah, no joke, dude. So I just read this here, man. It's just hilarious. It says, the album sleeve for Barely Legal features three. Quotations from fake newspaper reviews. These quotations are originally from British newspapers referring to Aldous Huxley's novel, Brave New World. So they must have been so like out of left field, you know what I mean? Because I feel like you couldn't really describe the Brave New World novel in any way that would sound like it was describing this kind of music.
Starting point is 00:11:59 You know what I mean? Right. That's funny. So they've been sort of tongue-in-cheeked. the entire time. They've been hyping themselves up this whole time. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Yeah. So, but if you, you can, you know, take a look at the album cover, right? They don't have their, uh, they're all wearing black. So they have an outfit, so to say. Yeah. But they're, you know, some of them are wearing t-shirts. Some of them are wearing ties. Yeah, they didn't get, they didn't have the outfit budget yet.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Yeah. So, uh, I'm going to quote a interview from, let me get this year right here. So this is a website called Bull. bull's eye.com. Oh, okay, so this is an interview from a DVD of theirs called Tussles in Brussels. I believe it came out the same year as Tyrannosaurus Hives. This freaking website probably came out at the same time. It looks like it.
Starting point is 00:12:53 This thing is ancient. Yeah. So here is a question here. Okay, so the guy asks, or girl, I'm sure you've been asked this about 5,000 times, but here's 5,000 and one. Why do you dress that way? anyways. And lead singer says, it looks good, but also we're convinced it makes us sound better. Like some hippie bands had some statues on their amps and stuff because it made them sound
Starting point is 00:13:17 better. This makes us sound better. I believe it. You know what I mean? I believe it. It's like their superhero suits, man. Yeah, you put your costume on, man. You go out there and you kick some ass. Yeah. So I'm convinced that if the hives didn't change up their sound a bit, I don't think they would have reached the success they did. Yeah. So let's jump to the next album. They are now full-blown the hives. You know, like the beast is born. They've got their, they've got their outfits for Vinny, Vitty Vicious. Here is 2000. How many albums that they put out between barely legal in this one? That's it, man. That was it, okay. That's it. So they go from that hard, fast-paced punk to hate-to-say, I told you so. Right. Everyone knows hate to say, I told you so. Here is what happened, man. And I'm going to
Starting point is 00:14:04 stop referring to Randy as if he's the he's the man behind the scenes because yeah there's no I mean he but I mean he is but yeah we don't have to talk about right no one yeah no one knows really uh so they started listening to a lot of Devo they're big fans of Devo interesting no wonder they had the office then dude maybe they got the idea from Devo now he claims that
Starting point is 00:14:26 they were listening to Devo before they wrote like like way before of any video vicious sure because he alludes to the fact that, you know, barely legal doesn't really sound like Devo. But he, there is a, there's a song that he refers to, and I'm going to play a Devo song called Girl You Want. Okay. It's a very first song on.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Is it spelled with a you? Freedom of Choice. Yeah. From the record. Man, they're ahead of their fucking time. 1980, dude. So this is the Whippet record. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:58 And Howland Pell refers to that baseline from Girl You Want is something they kind of riffed off of, uh, For walk, idiot walk. So I'm actually, I'm jumping the gun here, dude. I jumped, I jumped to Tyrannosaurus Rex. It's all right. Or Tyrannosaurus hides. But no, that's fine, though, because, like you said, they were listening to Devo and then they wrote Vinny Viti Vichis. Vinny Viti Vichis.
Starting point is 00:15:21 That's hard to say, man. So, yeah, and I'm hearing Devo even back in 2000. So let's play that Devo song real quick. So again, this is track one off of Devo's 1980. album Freedom of Choice. A song is called Girl You Want. This is what I love to discover when you dive into bands that you really love. That's what I'm always interested in is like how do you, how did they get from, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:28 maybe the beginning origins of their sound to like what they sounded like or like how did they shape and define their sound. I'm always looking for like, what were their influences, you know what I mean? And he's spelling it out for us because that, yeah, you're right, that sounds, it's so clear how you, how you listen to that and become the hives, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:48 And what I love about it is like, Devo is a new wave band, you know what I mean? And so what the hives did will say, hey, let's do garage rock with a new wave spin. Let's say garage punk rock. Yeah, that's awesome. So I want to jump right to... And the baseline, dude, yes. And the baselines will walk-a-a-walk, definitely. 100%.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Yeah. And I feel like we should play a little bit of walk-a-a-wock now. I wasn't planning on it, but we need to. Yeah. I'm jumping all around now, dude. Because I wanted to go, I do want to play a song from Vinny, Vitty Vicious. But you know what? You know what, Q, we can make whatever rules we want around here. You're right, dude. So we're jumping around. Okay, so here is the song that Howlin Pell is referencing that was influenced by Girl You Want.
Starting point is 00:18:28 this is their massively popular single from Tyrannosaurus Hives. This is Walk Idiot Walk. Man, that song just screams 2000s to me. Like, that was the sound. Yeah. I feel like the hives are like, if you needed to say, or somebody asked you, what exactly is garage rock? What was the garage rock revival, the post-punk revival?
Starting point is 00:20:01 I feel like the hives in this record maybe is a good. I mean, obviously you could say, oh, go listen to the strokes. Yeah. Everyone's go-to is go listen to Is This It by the Strokes? Go listen to Is This It? It, but I think the hives kind of show, you know, the other side of it, which is... Like you said, a little more of a new wave bend. Well, yeah, well, it's just interesting because that's what they did with the garage rock sound was, you know, they spun it in their own way, which is why they maybe stood out more so than the other, you know.
Starting point is 00:20:32 You know how many bands started with the word the... in the 2000s that just came and went. Yeah, and I was just thinking about... The vines. Do you remember them? Oh, yeah, dude. But that's what I'm saying. They had one hit and they were done. I was also thinking about...
Starting point is 00:20:44 You remember that band Jet? Oh, my God. I forgot about them until you just ended. Are you going to be my girl? Yeah. Yeah, see, I feel like it started to become... It just started to become cliche at that point. And maybe it's just the timing of it, but like...
Starting point is 00:21:00 I feel like if the hives didn't get that influence from Devo and run with it, I feel like they would have gone. on the way of Jet and the Vines and all them. Yeah, they, well, they may not have ever tweaked their sound if they hadn't listened to Devo and they were, and they may have still been doing punk rock records. Right. And never even threw their hat into the ring for Garage Rock. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:19 But that's clever. I love that. Yeah, that's great. Now, I'm probably wrong, dude, as far as the Vines, you know, only having one single, but all I remember is, what was it called, get free? Yeah. I'm going to get free. Remember that?
Starting point is 00:21:30 Dude, I, I love that song when it came out. Sure. But, I mean, that's it, dude. You know, I'm sure they had another single, but... Yeah. So the point that I was going to make has been made, because we have reached the Hives sound as we know it now. They reached it on Vinny Viti Viti Vicious in 2000.
Starting point is 00:21:49 So what did they change? It's more of like this punchy angular riffs, you know? It's more simple. Yeah, it's not as aggressive. Yeah, and the drum beats, it's way cleaner. It's not sloppy. There's nothing punk rock about it. Nothing punk rock.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Right. So, yeah. we have reached 2004. I've got two more tracks to play. Well, you know, Akew? Why don't we take a quick break? All right, dude, so this episode's going to be short and sweet, man, just like this record. So Tyrannosaurus Hives, clock's in at 30 minutes, dude.
Starting point is 00:22:26 12 tracks and half an hour, man. Is that why their shows were so short? Like, he was trying to lead to why they have short shows. No, dude, because they didn't want the, you know, the audience members to have a heart attack, man. They were looking out for their fans. because you just can't handle that amount of like excitement and you know energy it's like getting too close to the sun you're going to burn up yeah dude all right so tyrannosaurus hives walk idiot walk was the huge single on that one there was another single on there two timing touch and broken bones so another top 50 hit um there were a few more in here that didn't really do as well but we're gonna play some non singles dude so it's one of my favorites on the record, it is track four. So right after Walk, Idiot Walk, the song is called No Pun Intended. Well, there's the punk energy again. And that's what, but see, that's the thing, man.
Starting point is 00:24:23 They, that was a, a, you know, a tool that they had in their shed, you know what I mean? Yeah. I feel like their punk background probably gave them a huge advantage. Because they could tap into that energy at any time. Yeah. And he's got that, like, you said, dude, he's got that Mick Jagger Swagger, that charisma, dude. He would strut like Jagger. Oh, yeah, man. You know, that was probably part of his stage presence. But yeah, I think they were able to, if you go to a hive show, you're going to see a garage rock, but you're going to see a punk show too, you know what I mean? Yeah. Whereas you're maybe not going to get that at the strokes.
Starting point is 00:25:05 You know what I mean? Right. Definitely not, dude. Yeah, dude, I would play more of the song, but I pretty much played the whole song because they're all so short. Yeah, yeah. And so the Hives is one of those bands where, and I mean, I really haven't kept up with them. I mean, they've put on some new stuff, right? I mean, in the last decade. Yeah, yeah, the last decade for sure. In the last five years, maybe?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Their last album came out in 2012. So it's been a minute. But they had a live album that came out last year? Yeah, that's true. Okay, so they're still doing it. They're still making it happen. But 2012 was a long time ago, dude. Almost 10 years ago.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Or approaching a decade, yeah. Yeah. So the Hives is one of those bands where, yeah, they sound the same on every song, you know, nothing new between albums. But I don't care. It's the Hives, you know, like that's, that is what the Hives is. It's this energy just, you know, past-paced from track one all the way through to the end. There is a slow song on this album. I skip it every time.
Starting point is 00:26:09 That's not what I want out of the hives. There's a slow hives song, huh? Yeah, you want to listen to it? Yeah, let's hear it. It's not a single. What do they do when they try to tone it down? I don't know, you might like it. So this one's called Diabolic Scheme.
Starting point is 00:26:22 I got to take back what I said, dude. I love that song. I actually like that a lot, yeah. I haven't listened to that song, probably since 2004. Just full disclosure, dude, I haven't listened to this album all the way through in a while. And that's something we preach on this podcast, dude. Yeah, you have to. You're going to miss out on diabolics scheme. So that was like a ballad, right?
Starting point is 00:28:11 Yeah, it was interesting. I like what they did there. So I was trying to figure out who his voice reminds me of. And, you know, this is obscure. We covered them. Dude, I was just thinking it too, brother. Undoing it, David Wright? Yeah. And I don't remember that guy's name, but. Dude, they also had stage games.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Yeah. But obviously there's other. There's other, there's vocalists that they're both drawing from. And I can't, like he said, Mick Jagger a little bit here and there. Yeah. Like, there's, he's paying homage to a lot of like rock and blues and stuff like that before him. Yeah. But yeah, I thought about for sure the undoing of David Bright singer. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:28:55 You know what I mean? Big time. Especially, yeah. We dig with fingers crossed. Yeah. Yeah. That's another, you know, New Wave punk band out of Denton. Dude, a lot of similarities, actually.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Yeah, if a name, like the undoing of David Wright, piques your interest, if you go back far enough, we did a bonus Halloween episode on these guys. Awesome punk band, short-lived from Denton, Texas. Check them out. And they had a stage presence, you know, and would put on a show. They were garbage bag clothes that they taped together very fashionably. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:33 with really like extreme makeup and hairdos and they were they were awesome dude yeah um so yeah the funny thing is that song isn't even that slow no but that's the slowest that you're going to get on tyranosaurus hives and man dude he just delivers his heart and soul with every note every word and he does it on stage too you know they all do and that's why they're considered one of the best live acts of that era. Yeah. If you're in a rock band, I feel like that's the compliment you want. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:11 You put on a great live show. That's what matters. And you know that they work their ass off to pull it off. I mean, that's, you know, they're so well polished and like, yeah, dude. And every single one of them is making sure that they're putting on a show, every single member. Yeah. All right, dude, I got one more track. dude, this is going to be short and sweet.
Starting point is 00:30:35 So this is another one of my favorites off the record. All right, so this one's called See Through Head. Love that song. Yeah, that's great, man. And you can hear the Devo influence big time. Yeah, it's the angular. I don't know if I'm describing it right. Well, the guitar riff is really cool.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Yeah. But, yeah, that might be my new favorite, like insult to throw out somebody. Like, man, you just got a transparent cranium. I can see right through it. there's nothing in there. That's hilarious. I can see through that head, bro. I can see right through it.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Use your nagging. That's all I got, brother. That is all I got on the hives. If you hadn't really given them a good listen before, like that, you know, these songs should definitely have convinced you to circle back and revisit the hives
Starting point is 00:32:38 or listen to them with the first time, and if you're somebody who skipped over them, maybe you were a little bit younger generation and you didn't have these guys all over, Because I remember, everybody remembers, hate to say, I told you so. I was skimming through that Wikipedia page that you had up. Yeah. It was used in all sorts of promotional materials.
Starting point is 00:32:55 So like, it looks like it was all over. Yeah, man. They blew up with that song. And we were, I mean, we say it, we say this a lot with a lot of bands recover, but we were the perfect age for the hives. Yeah, we were 17. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, perfect age for that.
Starting point is 00:33:12 And, like, what you hear is what you get, you know. The songs that I pick, that's, this is the hives. So if you want more fast-paced awesomeness, jump right into, because they got tons of great music just like this. Vinny-Vitty-Vicious is very similar. You know what, dude, because we're sitting pretty light here on show length,
Starting point is 00:33:31 let's play that other song I was going to play, dude. Okay, all right. So now we're going back to 2000 all over the place today. So I was going to play this earlier just to show like how much they really did kind of like take that garage, you know, hardcore punk sound
Starting point is 00:33:46 and give it that divo twist. So this is, again, we're going back to 2000. This is a song off of Vinny Vidi Vicious. It's called Die, all right. Dude, I like that there's like a clear, like, linear progression to their sound. Yeah. You can, you know, you hear a little bit more of that just classic garage punk. You start to hear that change up with the strumming pattern.
Starting point is 00:35:34 on those riffs. It's not quite Tyrannosaurus hives. Yeah. But they're getting there. But it sounds like, you know, they sign with Universal and then put out Tyrannosaurus hives. So they had a major label behind them at that point, you know what I mean? And you can hear the difference in the way that it's produced. Definitely.
Starting point is 00:35:53 And they even threw in those strings on Diapolic scheme. Yeah. Well, I love the sound of the, I love the way the drums sounded on that song, too. Yeah. He's a great drummer. kidding. You got to have, you got to, you got to, you got to be able to throw down on the kit if you're going to keep up with a band like, like the hives. Yeah. You got to be a metronome. Yeah, man. Yeah, I feel like if you were to, if you were to name five, five bands that, five albums even,
Starting point is 00:36:20 that, that sort of, you know, encapsulates the garage rock sound. I think, I think that Tyrannosaurus hives might be one of those five, you know what I mean. Specifically, early 2000s garage rock revival Tyrannosaurus hives Because like we said is this it I want to put Interpol on there Turn on the bright lights Yeah turn on the bright lights
Starting point is 00:36:41 And even though like it's To me it's tough to classify them as garage rock But they're still under the umbrella of Of like post punk And again like what makes Interpol stand out Is that you know they did something slightly different With the sound you know what I mean But yeah but they're postpunk revival
Starting point is 00:36:58 So I guess under the postpunk revival umbrella is garage rock, right? Well, we got two more spaces to fill on this list, dude. Who else we got? I mean, a lot of people put the yeah, yeah, yeah, is on there. Oh, dude, how can we forget the white stripes? Done. Yes, white stripes, uh, elephant.
Starting point is 00:37:14 And I'm going to put, uh, the darkness on there, just kidding. But I love the darkness. You want to talk about a gimmick, right? Right. But yeah. Anyway, that could be, I would, that list would probably change a dozen times if I sat down and thought about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:29 But the strokes would start. certainly be on there and interpol for me. But yeah, and I think white stripes too. That's pretty rock solid, actually. Yeah, you know, it's perfect. But, you know, the hives. I think that, I think it's easy to come up with with five. And the question is, do the hives belong on that five? And I feel like they, I bet you if we looked at numbers, like, I bet you they, they perhaps made, made bank more so than some of the other guys because of how. Well, like you said, it looks like they were smart about it. Yeah, because their music was just so perfectly distilled, you know what I mean? Yeah. And like, just these perfect packages of like, you know what I mean? They, they,
Starting point is 00:38:10 once they found their, that formula, you know what I mean? Like they, they were on it. They knew exactly what they were doing. Exactly. And yeah, and they just became this like beast, you know, the hives. Yeah. Right. So yeah, shout out to Randy Fitzsimmons again, dude. Yeah. Staying out of the spotlight, but really just crushing. with the songwriting for these dudes. What's he doing now? Presumably, you still writing songs for the hives. Presumably, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Well, never know, man. He doesn't come out for interviews, dude. See, now, we just talked about five. We tried to name five records and didn't. Not once that we mentioned the Walkman, and we were all over them last week talking about how great they were. But you know what, dude? Let's go back to what you said.
Starting point is 00:38:55 And can you guys tell we're just wasting time to get this to the hour mark? No, no, we don't have to do an hour. Yeah, no, dude, we make the rules around here. But should they make it on the list? And I think maybe you're hesitant because they are kind of a one and done sound band. Because I put them in like the more gimmicky space. Yes, that's true. I think what we talked about with, what we concluded with the Walkman is that like,
Starting point is 00:39:19 they were one of the few bands from that era that never stopped evolving and refining, you know what I mean? And like, and changing, but like in a. not in a negative way you know what I mean like it just it's this natural progression to you're trying very hard to say not like the strokes did yeah
Starting point is 00:39:37 yeah I mean yeah you're right because the strokes did change but not in a good way you know what I mean I hope that people email us and and fight us on those words because I mean I don't think we would get much pushback on that I don't think I think you got to blame Julian on that dude he was
Starting point is 00:39:55 he was the guy who ran the show and I mean let's to be frank, dude, he was kind of a dick. Yeah. When he listened to some of his early, like, or his solo stuff that he did, you know, he was just his, his, the style of music that he was wanting to write was different than the strokes. And like, he was like the primary songwriter, right, for strokes.
Starting point is 00:40:16 So like, if he didn't want to write music like that anymore, that's why, that's why they stopped sounding like the strokes. You know what that reminds me of, dude? Tom Delange. No, I always get them mixed up. Mark Hoppus, dude. Oh, see, no, Tom. Damn it, dude.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Tom, because he went on to do a box car racer. Wait, I get them mixed up, too. Is he? Let's look up their faces. Which one is the alien guy? Is that Tom? That's Tom. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Bass player. Wait, guitar player. I don't remember which one plays what. Yeah, okay. He plays guitar. That shit. All right, he's a guitar. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:51 But, yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. He felt boxed in with blink. And he wanted to write dark music and stuff. He fell boxed in, so he went to boxed car racer. Wow, dude. Good save on that one. WordSmith, dude. What are we even talking about, dude?
Starting point is 00:41:08 I don't know. Let's wrap this puppy up. All right, so, yeah, that was a good, I think that was a really quick and dirty look at a quick and dirty band, Q. Yeah, like I said, man, this is one of those bands that has always been on the list for me. So let's cross him off, man. Boom. Got to share some hives goodness with you on no filler. Boom.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Next week, Q, we're going to pause from the garage rock band extravaganza that we've been on lately and do what you heard because it's about that time for another what you heard episode. I have my songs locked and loaded, dude, and I know I'm going to hear like three or four or more great songs over the next week and I'm going to have to completely rearrange my list. I dropped one and added another one today because I've, found this amazing record. Awesome. So that's staying, I'm pretty sure that's not going to bump.
Starting point is 00:42:06 But, all right. So when we get back from our What You Heard Q, we're going to dive into, I think by then, the new Kings of Convenience Record will be out. And so we're going to do an episode on that because we promised it. And, I mean, there's no way that that can't happen. So cannot wait for that to come out. Yeah. And then we're going to do the clientele.
Starting point is 00:42:24 So we got a roadmap for you. We got the next three episodes planned out. the clientele, I think, are going to be a pretty interesting transition from Kings of Convenience. They're kind of in the same, you know, the clientele had a very unique, a unique sound, but he had that very quiet, like soft vocals, you know what I mean? Very quiet, very much like the Kings of Convenience Boys. So I think that'll be a good transition. And then who knows what's going to happen after that cue?
Starting point is 00:42:49 Who knows what's going to happen? Shit, Dan, after hearing that Devo song, I want to hear, I want to maybe talk about some divo. But now, that would be interesting if we went back and did some more New Wave bands. Yeah, I'm down for that, man. Do another Talking Hands episode. I am down for that. Well, where can they find us, Q? Tell them where they can find us.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Oh, you know what, dude? We're part of the Pantheon Podcast Network. That is the podcast network for music lovers. You can find us on their website, pantheonpodcasts.com, along with dozens of other awesome music-centered podcasts. Shout out to us on Twitter if you'd like. We are always Jonzen for some communique with our listeners. At no-filler podcast is the handle. If you don't know, our watcher heards, those episodes are, that's our monthly mixtapes. We bring five songs each to the table and we would like to start bringing songs that you have been listening
Starting point is 00:43:53 to and bring that into the show. So tweet us some songs that you've been listening to. If we like it, we'll play it as an outro on our What You Heard episode. You can also email us and send us a message that way. It is No Filler Podcast at gmail.com. And yeah, that's it for today. And dude, you know what? Tweet at us if you saw the hives back in their heyday.
Starting point is 00:44:21 I would love to hear what that was like. Yeah, and also Mitchell. I know you're listening, brother. Just send us a text message and just make us jealous because I know you saw them like two or three times back in our high school days, dude. So let me know how it was, brother. We'll share the story on the pod. But yeah, let us know if they really were the best live band you've ever seen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Did they live up to the hype? All right, brother, that's it for us today. Next week we'll be coming at you with our What You Heard episode. Thank you, as always for listening. my name's Quentin. My name is Travis. You all take care.

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