No Filler Music Podcast - Two-Thirds of Blink 182 Go Dark: Tom Delonge Gets Serious With Box Car Racer

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

For our Sidetrack this week we dive into Box Car Racer, the shortly lived side project of Blink 182's Tom Delonge. During recording sessions of Blink's second studio album, "Take Off Your Pants And Jacket", Delonge began experimenting with different guitar stylings with an acoustic in hand. Coupled with an increasingly grim day-to-day life while recovering from a back injury, Delonge also began writing songs with darker and darker lyrics. With the help of Travis Barker behind the kit, Box Car Racer gave Delonge an outlet to express the darker side of his songwriting. Tracklist Box Car Racer - Sorrow Box Car Racer - Letters To God Barrie - Habits Raincoats - Fairytale in the Supermarket Grass Widow - Tattoo Box Car Racer - Elevator This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I've got my brother Travis with me as always. and we are back in school, dude. School's in session. Dude, I just got these dope ass. Converse All-Stars. They're high tops. It's not really a big deal, but... I can't tell right now if you're making a joke.

If you got some sweet new fucking covers. Oh, no. No, man. It has been since high school. If we're going to talk about cons, didn't you get the limited edition John Linen converse? Yeah, they were these really cool.

They were like cream colored. They had like this little doodle of John Linen. It was a doodle that he did himself. And it was him sitting on top of the world. All about that world peace, right? Well, that was, it was released for, it was like, Earth Day or something like that.

I had the lyrics to imagine like along the rubber, like the edge of the shoe. And it had like the word imagine and like, I don't know, Chinese script or something. It was fucking cool. That is cool. And rather than just keeping them all sealed up in the box,

I wore the shit out of them because they were badass. Anyways, man, how did we already get off track so badly? Did you ever wear Converse All-Stars dude? Was that just me? Probably just you. Okay. I had my airwarks though.

Remember those? Yeah, dude. That was like, that's the funny thing about air walks is like, that's synonymous with like the skater crowd. Never once did I jump on a skateboard. Not once. Me neither. Yeah. We were listening to Blink 12 as we talked about last week and we weren't even, I mean, we were, you know, we could have at least tried to skateboard, you know, so that we could be a proper poser.

No, dude. We were, we weren't even, we were, we were bad at posing as. punks yeah i mean that's the thing i listened to to well i shouldn't say i listened to metal in high school i listened to metallica in high school um and i never once looked wore the clothing that the metal head would wear or hung out with metal head and your fingernails black no yeah exactly for me like music has never defined like the type of person i am like yeah you know i mean how it does for some people where it's part of their, like, scene, part of their identity and whatnot. Like, music is definitely part of my identity, but not, like, a specific genre that is, like,

tied to, you know, the group that I run with or the fashion. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, uh, huh? What are we doing? Oh, yeah. Recording an episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, we're talking about box car racer today. Yes. Yes, yes. And now, last week we covered Blink 1-82 and their date, well, I almost said debut. album. And their 1999 album, Inima of the State. I mean, it was the debut of Travis Barker behind the kit. Yeah, that's true. As far as, you know, their records go, at least. And the reason that I said, schools in session, just in case you missed our episode last week, we were going back to school in the sense that we are covering bands that we listen to exclusively in either middle school or high

school. No, that's a good, that's a good way to put it because some of these bands, especially the ones in the next few weeks, the amount of time that we listened to them heavily was during middle school and high school. And now they're just more bands that we go back to for nostalgia, but we don't enjoy the music that they continue to put out. A lot of these are like, I listen to one album and one album only, you know, for a lot of these bands. Yeah. Yeah, it came out in in our formative years and that's what we relate to. You know what I mean? Versus spoon or even the strokes, right? Bands that we have appreciated for forever, basically, and still listen to and tune into what they put out. Like these are bands that were very much, you know, tied to our school years.

Yeah. Yeah. And so there's a roundabout way of getting to the meat of this episode. This is our sidetrack for our Blink 182 episode and we're covering box car racer. which was a little side project that Tom DeLange started with Travis Barker. And they started playing together around 2001. They only released one album. It was a self-titled. That came out in 2002. So you and I were freshman in high school in 2002.

So this can be the start of our high school jamming. I know for sure I listened to this album in high school. I know I listened to it when it came out because there was just a start of our high school. out because there was just so much buzz around the fact that that the boys from blink were starting a side project. And to be clear, it was just two out of the three. Right. It was two thirds of blink. So the two T's. So actually, now, more specifically, this is just Tom's thing. Well, what we learned about Travis is that he's down to drum for anyone at a moment's notice, basically. Yeah, yeah. But he pulled in Travis simply because he didn't want to

pay for a studio drummer. That's what he said. Oh, really? Yeah. And so this all started when Tom started playing more acoustic guitar during the recordings of Take Off Your Pants and Jacket. And he started writing darker songs. From what I read, he was going through some back issues and he had to have surgery. So he was kind of down and out for a little bit. And he said that his mind just started. started kind of steering towards more darker lyrics, like, into the world kind of stuff. And he thought that these kind of ideas just wasn't going to fit well at all with Blinkwin-82.

And they had a little bit of free time in between touring for Blink. And so he decided to jump into the studio and record some songs that he thought just would not work for Blink. Well, yeah, I mean, what we talk about? last week with Blink, like, aside from Adam's song, which was about depression and suicide, like the point of the band was to just stick around and have fun, you know, it was about, hey, you know, let's go to a blank show and just sing out loud to songs about diarrhea and whatnot, because it's just funny and like, we're here to have a good time. So that's kind of interesting.

And it makes you wonder how many songs are written in some sort of a lyric notebook or something like that. either Mark or Tom, right, that just got shelved because they're like, well, this is certainly not a blink song that I've written. Right. And, you know, I don't have a side project at the moment. So, yeah. So that's interesting. He said it's really just something to do in some spare time that was only expected to be

on the low list of the totem pole of priorities in my life, just to have another experimental creative outlet. He says, this is just for fun in the few days we have off from our real jobs, meaning Blinkwynny 2. Yeah. But, so here's the deal. A lot of people think that the box car racer kind of led to the falling out between Tom and Mark. Oh.

Because Mark felt really betrayed and jealous over box car racer because to him, this was Tom pulling Travis in to do a project and leaving him out. He didn't know that Tom literally just thought, oh, I'll use Travis so I don't have to pay a studio drummer. And so he felt left out. He felt betrayed. I mean, I get that. I totally get that. I get it.

But I mean, so this kind of reminds me of when Dave Grohl did Queens of the Stone Age. And I mean, now that was that was because of like trouble that they were already having in the band, right? Yeah. Like they were already having some turmoil and stuff. But similar, right? I mean, he steps aside to do Queens of the Stone Age and then Foo Fighters kind of went on hiatus, right? Yeah. And the rest of the guys in Foo were, they felt horrible about it.

They felt betrayed. Yeah. So one more thing I want to say regarding what box car racer eventually did to blink. I'm going to quote Tom one more time. He was interviewed by MTV and I can't find a date on this interview. But this was after Blink 182's self-titled, which was their final album before they went on a pretty long hiatus. And that one came out in 2003. To me, that's their best work.

And it is a lot darker than Enema and take off your pants. That's exactly what I was going to bring up is that to me, Box Crawracer sounds like some of the things that they started to do and were writing for their self-titled, which I agree is their best. their best work. So I think, I don't know if it's true that we can say or if it is known that like, like Boxcar Racer is responsible for what Plink ended up ultimately sounding like. I mean, is that safe to say? Yeah, because Tom started writing more experimental, you know, more dark kind of stuff. And his guitar styling changed a lot too. When he started playing more acoustic guitar, he started experimenting more behind the guitar as well. So, yeah, that's cool.

Tom started to feel trapped in blink. And so this was his first way out to, his first way to kind of explore more different creative sounds and styles. So let me read this quote from Tom. He says, one of the craziest things about box car racer is that it was both the greatest and the worst thing for blink. It was obviously the reason why we made that last record, he's referring to self-titled,

which I thought was a masterpiece, but it also caused a great division in the band. It was really hard for Mark. He thought it was really lame. Travis and I went and did that, but it was a totally benign thing on my part. I only asked Travis to play drums because I didn't want to pay for a studio drummer.

It wasn't ever meant to be a real band. So Mark never probably just didn't believe that kind of thing because it wouldn't have told him like dude I just didn't want to pay for a studio drummer Right he'll mark's just thinking yeah right dude you're just saying that to make me feel better So let's play a song We're only gonna cover one today This is my favorite on the record It's weird because I thought for sure this one was a single Because I listened to this is the one I remember

Most from the record So this song is called Letters to God Worked up is as dark and cold as night Let me go I swear I'll take just one lifetime And I I won't sit Times before this offer

Get me Just just prove that they gave more Do you remember that song, John? So, oh yeah And I know what's coming too So I know what the second clip's going to be Yeah But yeah, I'm looking at the lyrics

he seems like he's like contemplating like just his life in general and like I don't even know if we need to read the lyrics because they're clear as day I mean Yeah

I think he's writing about a person Who is either about to die Or has already died And he's asking God for another fucking chance Yeah because he's saying like You know I should have asked I could have helped at least a fucking thousand times before Yeah

As in like I could have been A better person Yeah maybe I don't don't want to go. Yeah. With the life that I lived, I'm going to hell. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is interesting.

Will this offer get me in? Right. Or does this prove that they gave more? I mean, that sounds to me like straight up like you're giving your offerings at the church or whatever. Like, well, this extra dollar to happen. Right. Bullshit.

Yeah. So, but I mean, dude, these kind of lyrics, you can't sing about this stuff on a blink record. No, not at all. Not at all. I mean, that would kill the vibes at a blank concert instantly. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And yeah, so that little clip I played at the intro, they were interviewed before the album was released, interviewed backstage after one of their concerts. They played four concerts before the album was released. And they were playing really small venues. So every single one of them responded saying, like, yeah, it's a really. weird because we had all these kids, you know, crowding the stage really up close and personally because these are smaller venues and they're super excited because they're seeing Travis and Tom in a new band at a small venue. And then we start playing and they're just staring at us like, yeah, what the hell? Like they just don't know what to expect. Yeah.

And it's just a totally different trip is what that one guy says. So let me name off the roster along with Travis and Tom we've also got David Kennedy who also played in a band called Over My Dead Body which is a quote straight edge hardcore band Straight edge hardcore band Yeah you remember what straight edge means You don't do drugs?

Yeah Okay What a weird subgenre What do they have to do like a drug test like consistently to prove that they're straight edge I don't know, man. For all I know, that's like a specific genre

of hardcore music or something. Who knows? And then they brought in bass player Anthony Celestino to tour with him. All of these guys are super close friends with Tom and Travis, and they've all been friends since grade school. Okay.

So Mark freaking calm down, dude. He only pulled in Travis because he didn't want to pay a studio drama. The other guys are fucking long time friends. Right. So now Mark is sitting out the, like he's outside of the window, like looking in to the studio.

studio, you know. So here's the deal, man. And our outro song is going to be a track 12 on this album. And Mark Hoppus himself is featured on vocals. So he is on one of the songs on Boxcar Racer. He just felt like they left him out of the project as a whole. Well, so he just got his feelings hurt, man. Yeah, just calm down, Mark.

You know? I get it, though. I know you get it too. I mean, I don't know this off top of my head, but Angels and Airwaves was Mark involved in that? Or was it, was that just a solo Tom? I think that was just Tom. And that happened right after, I read that Tom literally the same day after the last day of recording in the studio for the self-titled Blink record, that same day, he started writing and recording stuff for Angels and Airwaves. had all that shit ready to go.

Well, it makes you wonder, did, because, you know, as we know, like this, the self-titled Blink 22 record was the last Blink project for a long time. Like, was that known? Like, okay, after this, we're going on a hiatus and that's where he immediately went out and did his own thing. He's like, okay, I'm done with Blank. Let me just like wash my hands of Blank and move on with my life kind of thing, you know. Well, Travis was already doing stuff with the transplants as well.

Okay. Yeah. And dude, you know what? I completely forgot about this until I read. Remember Travis had a reality TV show? Yeah, I do. Yeah, that was around that time as well. Yeah, so they were looking for ways to make extra moula because of their gravy train.

Yeah, and what Mark was doing around this time or shortly after, he was producing records for bands. So, yeah, they were all doing their own thing. Tom was the only one that kind of didn't go public about it. Apparently he isolated himself for like three weeks right after Blink went on hiatus and just kind of avoided interviews post Blink. He was just so obsessed with Angels and Airwaves being like the biggest band in the planet that he wanted to get everything right. And so he just kind of avoided the spotlight for a little bit. But anyways, dude, we got one more clip to play. Oh yeah.

But before we play clip two, let's take a quick break. So let's play our last clip. I really cut out just a few, like, seconds of the song. But there's a really cool piano, solo, and I'm going to fade us in around that part. That's the part that you looked forward to when you hit play on that track. Oh, especially, how old were you then? 15? Yeah, we probably thought this was the shit.

Yeah, so this is the part that makes me think, um, that yeah, like you said, if Tom is exploring, and playing the guitar in different ways. Like, this was what led to the kind of stuff that he was doing on the self-titled blink record for sure because there's some like core progressions and stuff that sound very, very similar to that on the blink record. So, yeah, that's really cool.

Yeah, I like this album a lot. I think it holds up for the kind of, you know, post-hardcore email punk kind of stuff that was happening in the early 2000s. I think this is a solid album. Definitely helps to have Barker behind the kit. But I think it's a really cool, acoustic, really quiet, not just your standard, like, muted guitar strumming, you know, power chord kind of stuff.

Yeah, the power chords, yeah, sure. But, you know, and the intro was acoustic. Right. There probably is, I don't know off the top of my head, but there's not very many, if, if any, Blink 1A2 songs that have an acoustic guitar, you know. Well, we need to go back and listen to Take Off Your Pants then, because apparently Tom was playing a lot of acoustic guitar during the recording sessions of Take Off Your Pants and Jacket. That's what led to this. But does that mean?

I don't know if that man made it on the record. If it made it on the record? Yeah, I don't know, man. I haven't listened to that album in a long time. I actually really like Take Off Your Pants. Me too. And I wish I could think off the top of my head if there are any songs with acoustic guitar in there. I don't think there is.

There might be like an intro. or something like that that starts out acoustic, but I mean, not off the top of my head. I mean, you know, if anything, it would be, stay together for the kids. Yeah. But nope, I just push play and then no. Again, if they did it, it was thrown in as like,

you know, like a bridge or like an outro or intro. Yeah. Right. With electric guitar on top of it, me. Yes. You know, it's probably maybe more in the background. Really great blink songs on that record. Yeah.

When you listen to Inam of the State, then take off your pants and jump. jacket and then the self-titled record, which, you know, that's, that's the order that they came out in. Aside from the live record, like, you can hear, you can hear the progression and evolution of blink because, like, you know, Enema was just them just sticking around, having fun, take up your pants, you know, they start to progress a little bit. Yeah, they definitely, they definitely started to experiment more with, with guitar styling.

So yeah, a lot of it is tom. It has to be tom. And, of course, with Travis, he can do anything. He can do whatever. He can do whatever. Like I was saying earlier in the last episode, whenever I see Mark in an interview, the guy just seems like he's just there to have fun, dude, you know. So he'd leave it to Tom.

So maybe he just wanted to continue doing, you know, riding that gravy train with the formula that they created. And he didn't want to stray off and do anything serious. Right. Yeah. That could be it too. And, you know, when we know that Mr. Tom is going out in the backyard looking up contemplating aliens every night, like, yeah, he's going to write some more serious stuff. So anyway, yeah, man, definitely a good sidetrack for Blink. Everybody remembers this record.

If you were a fan of Blink, you probably remember this record. Because, like you said, Q, it was so different than the Blink stuff. but it's I mean Tom's voice is just so unmistakable you know and so unique too yeah and again this is still like

heavy in the age of MTV so guarantee you we were hearing about this and they were probably hyping the crap out of this album because it's Travis and Tom right so yeah man that's that's really all I got for us today

all right man I got a really good track here for my what you heard I got a good one too I'm starting first thing this time. Okay, fair enough. All right, so I just heard this song on another random, I think I was playing a radio playlist on Spotify. And Spotify, if you're listening, can you throw us some bones? God. So, uh, this is an album by an artist who goes by Barry. And that is actually her first name. Her name's Barry Lindsay. And this is a project she started working on, um,

really it's just an artist who is refining her pop songs and in my opinion perfecting them it's just a really solid dream pop record. It reminds me a lot of, do you remember that artist J-sum that I played a few tracks from last year? I think she shows up on our top 100 or at least our favorite songs from 2019. or Hatchy. Do you remember that artist Hatchy? Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, same vibe. Really great, just good feeling pop record. I'm just going to play, let's see.

I'm going to play track four on the record. I'll just let it speak for itself. This is, again, an artist who goes by Barry, B-A-R-R-I-E. Album is called Happy to Be Here. Came out in 2019. the song is called Habits. Yeah, that's a great track. That's the whole album, dude.

Yeah, I really like the, um, the guitar tone and the effects and stuff. The groove is awesome. Yeah, really cool. Yeah. Really cool. So again, that's, that's an artist that goes by Barry. That was a song called Habits off of their debut album, happy to be here. All right, dude, what you got for me, brother?

What you've been heard? All right, Q. So we've been watching a lot of movies, a lot of TV shows in quarantine, right? We're on the same boat, too, trust me. Yeah. So we watched a movie last week that I had never seen before, never heard it before, but it was amazing. It was great. It's kind of a comedy drama. You can call it a dramedy, too. It was called 20th Century Women. It came out in 2016, and it is a kind of a coming of age story about a mother, an older lady who is raising her teenage son by herself, essentially.

She has a boarding house where she's got like a few people living in there. And, you know, she is kind of intimidated by having to raise this kid. And so she enlists the help of some other females in her life to help raise them. Okay. That's the gist of it. And it takes place in Southern California in 1979, very specific year. And that plays into the movie quite a bit because a lot of the movie is based around punk rock music, which makes it even that much more amazing. Because one of the ladies living in her boarding house is sort of this artist, this punk family. of punk rock music who's like a photographer and she takes this teenage boy to like these early punk

rock shows and stuff to kind of like get him out of the house and like you know get them to feel kind of like a you know loosen up a bit and like experienced life and all this kind of cool stuff. So there's a ton of punk rock in the movie throughout the film and talking heads specifically plays a huge role actually in the film. The kid wears a talking head shirt and gets beat up at school because this kid was like, you know, black flag or, you know, bust basically.

So he sees him wearing a talking head shirt, beats him up, and then spray paints like a expletive that I won't say out loud, cute, on the side of the beetle bug that he drives, you know. Anyway,

there's this really cool scene where the punk rock chick is listening to a record with a teenage kid. And the mom walks in, she's playing this record from a band called The Raincoats. And it's a song called Fairy Tale in the Supermarket, which is what my track is. And the mom just kind of jokingly says, can't things just be pretty? Like talking about the punk rock because it sounded harsh and stuff.

And then the photographer punk rock girl says, well, this is what happens when your passion is bigger than the tools you have to deal with it. So just talking about punk rock in general, right? Like the spirit of punk rock. It's a cool quote. Really cool quote. I remember it stood out to me and I had to look it up so I could say it on this podcast. Anyway, so now we're going to listen to that track that they were listening to in the movie. Again, it's a band called The Raincoats, and they are a British experimental post-punk band that formed in 1977.

This record in particular came out in 1979. It's a self-titled record. and again, this song is called Fairy Tale in the Supermarket. I'm all about that all day every day. Let me tell you, dude, my favorite punk bands or girl punk bands? Always forever, dude. Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. That actually reminds me when I heard this, I'm going to try to remember the name of the band, man,

but it was something that we covered on our blog that we used to run called New Dust. I think they were called like Sorry, man I can't do it I can't help you I can't pull it on my ass But it was like the widows The widows

Look it up right now You did it man You did it The widows Prior to you I think Nope Nope

Definitely not Definitely not Shit Sorry man Grass widow Grass widow Man All right

Am I leaving all this in bro You can't have you want man Yeah Okay grass widow But yeah I recognize Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, scroll down. We're going to play this song right now, dude.

It's going to be a double what you heard. All right. What song? Tattoo. I fucking love it, dude. Yeah, man. Fucking love it. Anyway, so that was 2009, so that's 30 years later, right?

Yeah. Which is pretty cool to think about. But yeah, so what's interesting about that band, the Raincoats, have a quote from the lead singer of that band. Her name was Jenna Birch. she said that she saw she was inspired to start the band Raincoats after seeing the slits perform live

earlier that year which was another you know female lead punk band right and she said that in an interview she said in an interview for She Shreds magazine

she says it was as if suddenly I was given permission it never occurred to me that I could be in a band girls didn't do that But when I saw the slits doing it, I thought, this is me, this is mine. And so it's very fitting that that was chosen for this movie because part of the whole thing was like this teenage boy is essentially raised by like a feminist punk rocker and like his mom who's in her 60s. Really interesting. Really good movie.

If you're a fan of punk rock or just music in general, like you have to watch it. It's all about that kind of stuff. especially, you know, punk rock in the late 70s, you know. So anyway, that was a long-ass fucking, that was a long, long and convoluted what you heard. But anyway, yeah, man, that's it. Cool. That's what we got for you.

Let's wrap this puppy up. Do you want to tease what we're doing next week? Yes, skew. All right. Now, as we, as we have mentioned, some of the stuff that we're going to talk about in the coming weeks are going to be, maybe a little bit more obscure. And this band,

how would you describe them, Q? Are they email? Emo with a little punk flavor splash band. Yes, yes, yes, that's good. Okay, so this band is called Hot Rod Circuit. And we are going to talk about their 2002 record. Sorry about tomorrow. So I don't know if this is going to work out for us, dude,

but we might be going in sequential order here. You said box car racer came out in 2002 as well? It did. Okay. I'm not going to look up the months because I don't care that much. But yeah, this record, man, there's something about it. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds you of a very specific time in our lives.

Yes. A very specific summer, I should say. I can picture in my mind the CDR with hot rod circuit scribbled on the top in Sharpie. Like this was one of those albums that we probably pirated online, burned it to a CD, and we just got our license that year, so we were fucking free, dude. Well, we would have gotten our license the following year. 2002, we were 15.

But we were learning to drive, though. We were getting our permit, that kind of thing. Who's to say that we actually heard Hot Rod Circuit in 2002? Fair enough. I just remember listening to this album with the windows rolled down. Yes. driving my own car and feeling like a free man. Right.

This album has some killer tracks on it, dude. I'm really excited to play these songs. Yeah. Anyway, so we're talking about a record called Sorry About Tomorrow by Hot Rod Circuit. And that will be the next stop queue in our bus, our school bus, as we're making our way through our high school years. This would have been our freshman year in high school, like you said. Making our way downtown, watching the sun. Something homebound.

I don't know. I never used to that song. But you know what? That probably came out around the same time. No, dude, that would have been 90s, right? Who was that, Sarah McLaughlin? No. I can never remember the name.

You sure? You sure? Making my way. A thousand miles by Vanessa Carlton. I never would I remember that name. That's what I'm saying, dude. It's one of those names I can never remember. That must have been her only hit.

Her only hit, dude. She just came out with an album this year. You're welcome. Oh, you know what's funny? That song came out in 2002. Thank you. Same year, man. Thank you.

I don't know why, but I thought that was a 90s track, so there's much I know. All right, man. All right, Q. So I'm excited about that as well. And it's going to allow us to just ease right into email Q. So, spoiler alert. I can't wait for the next few months, dude. I can't wait.

It's going to be good. All right, man. Let's wrap it up. I'm tired of yapping. So you can find us on our website, no filler podcast.com. We can play all of our episodes, all 100 plus, 120 plus. Like, what's our count up to you now, dude? I don't even know.

I don't know. It's, yeah. All of our episodes, going back to episode one, we have show notes for each episode where we have our track list, every song that you heard on this episode is on the show notes page, as well as any, any articles that we, may have pulled information from or cited. Yeah. You can also find us, Q, on the Pantheon podcast network,

which is a network of like-minded podcast all about music. So go to Pantheonpodcasts.com, and you can find us there as well as plenty of other great music podcasts for your enjoyment. All right, Q, that'll do it. That'll do it. And for our outro song, we're going to play another song from Boxcar Racer. This one also features Mark Hopp as own vocals. They kind of do it like a trading, like a back and forth thing.

This song is called Elevator. So that's going to fade us out. And yeah, we'll shout at you next week. Thank you as always for listening. My name is Quentin. My name is Travis. You all take care.