No Filler Music Podcast - Whatcha Heard? The Where Has Catherine Wheel Been All Our Lives Edition

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

If there is one takeaway from this month's Whatcha Heard, it is that Catherine Wheel is an amazingly under-appreciated shoegaze alt-rock band from the 90s and you should listen to them immediately. And we learned that in the wide world of vaporwave, of course there's a subgenre called "mallsoft", and it's actually pretty amazing. From doomgaze stone metal group Torche's triumphant 2019 return with Admission to the latest single from quintessential indie singer-songwriter Jim Guthrie, tune in for perhaps our finest mixes yet. Tracklist: Loscil - Lumina Jim Guthrie - Hands In My Pocket Lord Huron - Mine Forever Greet Death - Circles Of Hell Fiddlehead - Heart To Heart Maenad Veyl - Out Of Sight John Mint - Toll Free Connection John Mint - Chemicals Catherine Wheel - Texture Catherine Wheel - I Confess Goat Girl - Sad Cowboy TORCHE - Admission Tricot - いない INAI Paris Jackson - Let Down This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Pantheon is a proud partner of AKG by Harman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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captivate and connect your individuality, both in-game and out. Ignite creative inspiration and spark something with The Sims. Visit The Sims.com to learn more. Welcome to No Filler. I'm Quentin. And I'm Travis. And we're going to mellow things out a little bit for this month's What You Heard. We're going to kick things off with one of our favorite ambient down-tempo artists, Lossel, with a track from his brand new album, Clara.

This song is called Lumina. Hugh, I feel like I've just reached a state of Zen. That only Lossel can provide, dude. Yeah, that's one of those artists where I have to listen to any new record that he puts out. You know what I mean? Any collaboration that he's on, any, like, you know, remix that he does or whatever. Like, he is so good at what he does, you know, And he is, like, the Lossel sound that he has, like, perfected, you know, is so unique.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And that sound goes back as far as he's been making music. That's true. I think this new record did remind me a lot of, like, kind of a return to his older sound. You know what I mean? Like his first record, like Submers. Yeah.

So what we love about Lossel. And I mean, honestly, I credit him for getting me into this kind of ambient. Ambient electronic. Yeah. And, you know, I think down tempo is a pretty, it's a pretty large umbrella. It's got a lot of different subgenres and sounds, you know, and styles within it. But, you know, the big thing about down tempo that we love is, I guess the, it's the layers that are, built as a song progresses.

There's a lot of repetition and down tempo, but there's just these rich, lush layers where it just builds and builds. And Lossel is one of the best at doing this. It's always very subtle, but if you're paying attention, there's just so much going on. And I love his, the way he incorporates. some form of beat into his song. And it's always almost like a click, like a clicky kind of sound. Kind of reminds me of that other band that we covered, Kiln, where it, it does almost feel

organic. Yeah. And that's kind of the thing about Lossel, you know, his name is Scott Morgan. His first record, I guess it was like an EP. It was called A New Demonstration of Thermodynamic Tendencies. came out in 1999. And that's what he set out to do was like, evoke the sounds that you may hear in like a lab or something like that.

Like a, you know what I mean? Yeah, man. Yeah. And so like, you know, he has track names like, or at least in his early stuff, hydrogen, discrete entropy, conductivity. Those are the things that like, I guess he was going for. Like, how do I capture the sound of hydrogen? You know what I mean?

And put it and turn it into a song and stuff like that. That's kind of how he approached it, but he's been doing it like that ever since that, you know. All his music is very atmospheric, you know, like throw on a really nice pair of headphones if you want to... Definitely. ...dive into one of his albums. And, you know, Lassel is an artist that you're going to want to listen to the whole album. Any album of his that you dive into, it really... I mean, this is a cliche.

It's kind of cheesy, but... He takes you on a journey, dude. If you allow him to, you know, really just get in a nice, comfortable space, relax, close your eyes, dude, with a good pair of headphones and jump into a Lossal album, it's going to take you somewhere. And if you want to go way back in our catalog, episode 15 of the No Filler podcast, we covered his record first narrows. So if you want to go hear us talk more about this guy, go back and listen to that episode. episode. It's one of the early, early, no-filler episodes. But yeah. So this is off a brand-new album of his, Clara. It was just dropped, I think, last month. Man, here's the thing about Lossel. He is prolific. Like, he hasn't stopped. You know what I mean? He's been putting on music

just about every, every two or three years for almost going back to when he started. Yeah, so I think he put out something last year, too, and a year before that. Yeah. So, you know, we mentioned there's a very distinct sound with him. But I think there's a variety of headspaces that you'll find yourself in when you listen to it, Lossel. Like, I think I mentioned last week with our Hives episode, we played four songs, and that's the Hives through and through. You know, it's a hive song. You know what you're getting. You know what you're getting. You know what you get. You don't know what you're getting with a Lossil album. Yeah, you know that it's going to be his, his, his, his brand of ambient and like, yeah, but there's different kind of moods and, yeah, you know, that's kind of how he poses it. Like he tries to, you know, he is, he is, he is, it's a theme, right? Usually. Because like his second record, Submers is literally kind of like, it evokes like underwater kind of vibes. Like every, every, every, every, um, every track name is, is named after a submarine, like a famous submarine or something like that. So that's kind of what he was. going for. I don't know if he's still doing that, like, once you get to these later things, but like these later records at least. But that's kind of the deal. It's going to be a theme. It's going to be cohesive and stuff. Yeah, he's great. He's one of my favorite. He's in the top five always for me for ambient down tempo. Didn't you get to see him perform in a church?

I did, man. It was unbelievable. And it was my, the only time I've ever gone to a concert by myself. Oh, my God. It must have been euphoric. Dude, yeah. I had a friend that was going to go with me, but he bailed. Sarah's not really into this stuff, so it was just me, man. And yeah, it was in an old church in downtown Seattle. It must have been incredible. He just dropped monument builders, which is another one of my favorite albums of his.

This was back in 2016. Yeah. Yeah, man, it was euphoric. It was absolutely perfect, dude. It must have been amazing. Yeah. All right, so again, that was a song called, Lumina that is off his brand new album, Clara.

And if this is your first time joining us, welcome. This is the No Filler podcast. Typically what we do here is dive into a particular album from a favorite band of ours and play non-singles from that record in hopes that you will hear some tunage from a band that you love that you may not have necessarily heard before because it's not a single. That's what we're all about on no filler. Once a month, we do what we call our monthly mixtape episode where we each bring five songs to the table,

just songs we've been listening to in between recordings, and it's just rapid fire one after the other, just a song-heavy episode. We love doing them, and this is our, I don't know, I've lost track, sixth, I think this is our sixth what you heard. I went first last time, Traves, So you are starting off the show this time. What you got for us, brother?

What you've been hurting? All right, Q, so I'm going to mix things up here. I'm going to pivot us out of that nice headspace that Lossel put us in and pick things up a little bit. So are you going to pull a 180 on us, dude? Yes. Yeah. All right. No, it's not going to be heavy metal.

Okay. But, you know, from Lossel, it's easy to do a 180 to just about anything else. You know what I mean? Anything else is kind of a 180, right? Yeah. So this guy's name is Jim Guthrie. and he is a very, very prolific, very, um, he's all, like he, he does everything. He's done, uh, movie soundtracks. He's done video game soundtracks. He writes his own music and

puts out records. He does things with other side projects. Any relation to Robin Guthrie? Probably not. But yes, Robin Guthrie is, um, guitar player for cocktail twins. Also, he does a lot of ambient and stuff. Dude, I love Robin Guthrie. I would love to do it. I know you do, man. Anyway, so he got on my radar with the soundtrack to the movie Indy Game. It's called Indy Game the movie.

Jim Guthrie did the soundtrack for that film. That's how he got on my radar. And I've been kind of listening to him ever since. So he put out a brand new single just a couple days ago. So this is like super, super fresh cue. And yeah, we're going to listen to, um, let's just put it this way cue this song is gonna get stuck in your head okay all right so this song just came out it is called hands in my pocket that's too damn catchy dude i told you man it's been

stuck in my head anytime i put my hands in my pocket man now that shit's gonna just just pop it in my head you're just walking around with your hands in your pocket um just thinking about the world you know as you walk around i think that's what the song's about you if I were to take it later really but yeah um that's the thing with Jim Guthrie like when he does his own solo stuff it's it's more of this kind of singer-songwriter indie kind of stuff but like I said I mean you know you know me Q you I love soundtracks he does um I'm trying I'm trying to name drop some stuff in case you've uh one of those things where it's like maybe you've heard Jim Guthrin you didn't realize it uh he does a lot of indie games like

um Planet Coaster I don't know that play games brother okay Planet Coaster is like the It's basically a roller coaster tycoon but in this decade kind of thing Below Raines Her Majesty Maybe okay maybe Maybe people don't know these all right

Sword and sorcery Sword and Sorcery was a big one that he did Anyway okay Like I said he's all over the place But he does these kind of indie rock Records as well sometimes So anyway That was hands on my pocket by Jim Guthrieue

So now I'm gonna throw it at you and where are you going to take us next, Kew? Well, I'm going to just kind of keep it in the same vein. I'm not going to do any whiplash on you yet. This song was actually brought to me by my

niece-in-law's husband. So my family visited last month, my niece-in-law and her husband came up here and my mother-in-law. Since then, me and him have been sharing tunes with each other. And he,

shared this brand new album with me from Lord Huron. Okay, yeah. The funny thing about the MQ is the only reason I know them is because they were featured on a Zales commercial. And I used to work for Zales, you know, the Diamond Ring store. Yeah. I just remember that name because they were featured on one of our our advertisements. Nice.

But yeah, kind of fulky country stuff, right? Fulky, yep, good stuff. Yeah, and they just dropped a new house. album called Long Lost. And yeah, dude, I'm going to play track two off the album. It's good stuff, dude. I'm a fan of it. I'm glad that I heard it.

I probably wouldn't have listened to it if he didn't share it with me. So here is track two off of Lord Huron's brand new album Long Lost. This song is called Mine Forever. That's got some great, like 60s jangly pop. kind of vibes to it with a little twang I love it yeah kind of reminds me of you know the way real estate approaches you know real estate has always had that that sound of like a 60 surf band you know I mean yeah and knowing some of Lord Huron's other music sounds like they're kind of changed things up a little bit or at least they wanted to write one song that sounds like that or is the

whole record like that well so and I don't know much about them either but no there's there are some more fulky country stuff on the yeah album um And again, you know, this is one of their singles. They captured that sound really well, that, that vibe, yeah. And check out the album cover, dude. I love it. Can you see it? That is cool. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, a shout out to Wesley. Welcome to the family, brother. Thank you for the tunes.

And yeah, again, that's Lord Huron and a track of his called Mind Forever from his brand new album, Long Lost. And I'm going to pass it back to you, brother. You're going to switch it up on us? Yeah, not in a major way. have, I'm going to have a 180, a massive 180 next. Cool. I got a couple of those. Okay. Yeah, these guys are definitely compared to the last two, Jim Guthrie and Lord Huron. These guys are different. But so yeah, these guys, I just kind of discovered them last week, actually. They're called greet death. They're kind of a post-rock, like a post-punk kind of shoe gaze almost. but not entirely shoegaze maybe like a I don't know it's kind of hard to describe them because

just going from the track I'm going to play for us to the next track on the record is just mild like very very I think they have multiple singers right so like even from song to song they kind of jump all over the place but I would put them in like a shoegaze alt rock kind of vibe awesome they're from Flint Michigan again. They're a relatively newer act. I wouldn't call them doom gaze, but you know how doom gaze sort of flirted with like elements of shoegaze plus metal? Oh yeah. I feel like these guys are more, maybe elements of shoe gaze plus more post-punky emo kind of stuff. Anyway, I'll let you tell me what you think of them, Q. But this is a song off of their record that came out in 2019 called

new hell. And this song is called Circles of Hell. It was great, man. Yeah, really, really good like buildup, you know what I mean? Yeah. To that kind of release that happens, right?

His vocals kind of get a little bit higher and like, you know what I mean? It opens up into this really nice, like, lush sound, you know, after that course. But yeah, really interesting. interesting record. Like I said, the very next song has a very, very different sound to a different singer. At least it sounds like a different singer. Maybe it's the same person, but sure does sound like a different

person. So I think they have one of those things where they kind of trade off and maybe they kind of, you know, I need to look into more of kind of what they do. But yeah, I love when bands do that, man. Yeah. What they're, you know, sometimes band camp is a good, a good way to see how, how a band classifies themselves, you know what I mean? Right. So on band camp for this record, Shugays is one of the tags and slowcore cue.

Slow core. Slow core. Man, I've heard it all. So this is a slow core band, Q. I guess that's a fitting label. Slow core. Slow core.

It's not hardcore, but it is slow core. Slow core, that kind of sounds like it would be along the same veins as DoomGay. right? Yeah. Slodgy. I would say it's probably minus the metal. You know what I mean?

Like I said, it's kind of shoegaze plus more alt rock indie. It's like a shoegaze indie band kind of. Big fan. I liked it a lot. But also Slow Corp. All right. You can't leave out Slow Cor.

No, you can. Anyway, that was Greet Death and that song was called Circles of Hell off of their latest record, New Hell. And Q, my throat. back at you. What you got for us? I got one that's going to flow real nice from that, dude. Okay.

So have you heard of a band called Fiddlehead? I have not. So they are a post-hardcore emo indie rock band. Actually, the way they put it... I'm already excited. A band that merged elements of post-hardcore, post-punk, and classic 80s emo into something that felt distinctly theirs. Let me just tell you something cute.

I love 80s emo. That gave you my favorite wave. Actually, that's more like almost hardcore punk sound, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, so I'm bringing a song from their brand new album. Okay. So I don't know how they sounded when they first started making tunes together.

And they've been around since 2014. So, again, I haven't gone back and listened to their old stuff. But I'm a big fan of their new record. It is called Between the Richness. Just came out, I think, last month. Really good stuff, dude. You're going to love this. And I don't know if you guys, if you all have heard us say this before on No Filler, but it is always worth listening to an album from start to finish

because I'm about to play the very last song on this record. That's what we preach here, dude. That's what we preach, dude. And this is probably my favorite off the album. All right, so again, this is Fiddlehead, brand new album, Between The Richness. This song is called Heart to Heart. Yeah, that's great, man.

I'm glad the music like this is still coming out. Me too, man. Like, you know, I feel like maybe we're circling back to it. Like we've talked about, I mean, you know, grunge is coming back too, right? But I feel like, I feel like bands are starting to sort of nod back to the 2000s a little bit. The early 2000s, like emo stuff, that sound, and that almost goes back to, that, that's almost like a second wave emo sound. Like a purity or not purity ring, promise ring. Yeah.

And some of those other bands. But like it's, you know, it's got a modern spin on it. But yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. Really good. I love the little ride bell accent. Great drums, man. The ride bell.

Yeah. Great drums. I love that little drum beat during this, the verse. And yeah, dude, I was thinking about it. Like, I don't know if maybe you and I just stopped searching for this kind of music. But it did seem like it kind of dropped off for a while. But again, like with that band that I'm, you know, obsessed with Tiger's Jaw. Right.

They've been doing it since their early 2000s, you know? Sure. So, yeah, maybe it never. But they came out of the 2000. Like, this is a new band, right? This is, yeah, they've only been around since 2014. That's what's, that's what I like to hear. Like brand new bands making that kind of email music.

Yeah. And this just harkens back to the early 2000s when you and I were listening to this kind of stuff. Yeah. And, yeah, brand new. stuff coming out in that same vein. Yeah, dude. I know we're both all about it. Yeah, man, all about it. Really good stuff. Again, this is Fiddlehead, and that's heart to heart from their album, between the richness, just came out to give it a listen. Awesome. Swing it back over to you, what you've been heard. All right, Q, every what you heard needs to have at least one massive 180.

Yes, I agree. And it's time, it's time to do it. And I can, I'm usually the one that does it. because I'm bringing heavy metal. I'm bringing electronic stuff. And here's an example of that, cue. I'm going to bring an electronic artist, his name. I believe he would pronounce it, Manad Vale. That is his name that he is going by. This guy's actually a veteran electronic producer named Thomas Ferrio.

Ferreiro, Fero, something like that. But he put out a new record. under the name Anad Vale called Body Count. We're going to listen to a track off of this. This came out 2019. And again, dude, we've got to go to Band Camp to hear how they described themselves because just like Slow Core Q, here's another genre I've never heard before. EBM.

Can you guess what that stands for? So there's EDM, electronic dance music, IDM, right? Any ideas? What's the B stand for in EBM? because you know what the E and the M stand were. Yeah. You're not going to guess. It's goofy.

Electronic body music. Dude, that's exactly what it stands for. Boom. How did you get that? I don't know, man. The word body threw me out. I wasn't expecting the word body. Anyway, so electronic body music.

So it makes you want to move your body? I guess so. Sounds like dance music to me. It does. And you are going to move your body a little bit, cute. All right. Cool. But this subgenre of electronic music

dates back to the early 80s in Western Europe. It combines repetitive bass lines, programmed dance music rhythms, and mostly undistorted vocals. Now, there's no vocals in this work. So this is just one of the tags he slaps on his music, right? But it's mostly like, think IDM industrial, electronic techno music kind of stuff, right? So this song is called Out of Sight by Manad Vale. I can get behind that, dude.

It's kind of put you in a trance. Yeah. That's what I like about this kind of music. You want to talk about repetitiveness, right? That's kind of what it's all about. But just like down tempo and stuff like that, it's about layer building, you know? It reminded me of, I don't know, maybe Andy Stott. Okay, yeah.

The darker. Detroit, Detroit Techno. Yeah, the darker side of like electronic kind of sounds and stuff, right? Where it's a little bit more. Like definitely the industrial, the industrial electronic stuff, right? Yeah. But yeah, you can just, you know, imagine just being in like a, like a warehouse, a wave kind of thing, right?

And that kind of music is happening, you know what I mean? A sweaty nightclub. Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, so again, that was Manad Vale. And that was a song called Out of Sight from his record, Body Count. All right, Kim, I'll throw it back at you for, I'm guessing, another 180. It's electronic. Okay.

Definitely different. And, you know, I feel like with every 180 that we have in a What You Heard episode, we've got a vapor wave track. And I'm bringing... Oh, I love it. So now here's something that we all know about Vaporave, I think. If you've dabbled, it is also one of those genres. It just has so many different tiny little, like, niche subgenres and sounds. and for every

style of vapor wave there's one extreme almost to the point of like kind of absurd poke fun of itself kind of sound and then there's more like quote unquote radio friendly versions of that have you ever heard of mall soft

now but I'm not surprised at that's a subgenre of vapor wave because M-A-L-L-L-Mall-Soft Yeah. So I found this through, I think I was just browsing the homepage of Reddit, which I like to do from time to time because I'll stumble across something that I would never find on my own. And they have a subreddit. Malsoft is, so it is a subgenre of Vaporwave. And it's exactly what you'd think, dude. Basically, the genre is kind of what you'd expect to hear playing.

through the speakers at a mall, almost like abandoned mall kind of, you know, it's going to be very heavy ambience, you know, it's very muzac. Okay, that's what I was going to ask if that's what the mall thing is supposed to be like the stuff you hear while you're walking around a mall in the 90s kind of thing. Yeah, exactly that. Okay. Yeah. And an artist that goes by John Mint, his real name is John Sylvan.

I've actually been chatting with him on Reddit. I reached out to him after he posted a track on there that I really liked. I asked him, like, so what does Mulsoft mean to you? And he said, for me, there's a bit more ambience with Malsoft tracks than with other Vaporave tracks, extra reverb, background noise to kind of give it more space. He says it draws from jazz and Bossa Nova styles. Wow. Okay. So, yeah. So, uh, he dropped an album just last month, I believe. I'm bringing nothing but brand new

songs. Dude, why don't we, uh, have him on the show, man? Maybe, yeah, maybe we should. So this is the artist you were talking to? Yeah. Okay. This is what I love about Reddit, dude. Yeah, man. Um, all right. So, he just dropped an album called business logic. And I'm actually going to play two of his songs. because what I like about him is he, again, if you're familiar with vaporwave, you know, like I said, there's extremes to the genre. I don't know how far you've jumped into that rabbit hole, Travis, but it gets pretty weird. I've been in there. In the land of vapor wave. Yeah, I've been in there for a while.

His music's a little more structured and a little more enjoyable. Because you know that about vapor wave, Travis. Sure, sure. Yeah, sometimes it's just like ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to play two of his songs because he actually has one song with vocals that he's sampled in that might be my favorite on the album. But I want to play the first song on the record. I think it flirts a little bit more with that mall soft sound.

He lightens up on the, like, the ambience and stuff. Because with some of these mall soft songs, you can barely hear the music. It does sound like you're in the mall. But yeah, he's toned that down a little bit. So this is a, again, brand new album. from Vaporwave mall soft artist John Mint. It's called Business Logic, and this is the first track on the record.

It's called Toll Free Connection. I know you would, dude. Yeah, I love his album art, too. Like, I was looking at his discography. It's all kind of in that same style of like that, you know, retro-looking. It's not aesthetic that you expect to find with Vaporave. Yeah, a perfect pairing with, um,

Kind of what he's going for, the vibe he's gone for you now. Yeah. So, again, I wanted to play that one just to show up. You know, it's more that jazzi, Basanova kind of feel like he mentioned. I don't know about Bossa Nova. Maybe not. But jazzy. It's definitely jazzy.

Yeah. So I want to play my favorite song off the record. So this is, I actually asked him if this was his voice and he said no. Did you tell him you're going to play him on the show? Yep. Nice. Yeah. He said it's just a cool sample that I found and licensed.

Anyways, really cool vocals on this one. This one is called Chemicals. I love it, dude. I'm all about it. I love that line, man. I'll be your chemical. Just breathe me in. Such a cool line, dude.

No wonder you sampled it, John. Yeah, yeah. John, I love it. I'm all about it. So, like, you know, this is what I like about vapor wave. Good vapor wave is that, like, it just evokes. You know how we talk about? with hypnagogic pumpkin.

There it is again. It's like a nod to the sound and the aesthetic of your childhood, I guess. It's a time machine, dude. Yeah. Like, what was it called mall? Mall soft. Mall soft, yeah. Yeah.

This is totally the kind of, and this is going to sound like an insult, but it's not. This is totally the kind of like cheesy, corny, smooth jazz that you might hear in the background of a department store. Right. And I, you know, I said corny and cheesy. I didn't mean that as an insult because like, what's nice about this is that it's not corny and cheesy. Right. Smooth jazz.

It's, it's, it's, it evokes the feeling of it, but, but like it's, it's, I don't know, I don't know the words I'm trying to use here, Q, but like it's a nod. It's like it evokes it. Yeah. That's vapor wave, man. It's, it's really hard to describe. But like, I can almost hear the same kind of like, I could, I could hear that being a, um, a Shadee song.

Yeah, that Quiet Storm Jazz, right? Exactly. Yeah, dude. So I asked him if he had any favorite albums in the MallSoft genre. And he mentions a... I got one cue. It's called Business Logic by John, man. Oh, nice.

Well, I haven't... That's the first time I've heard of this subgenre, but what do you say? So there's an artist called NetMD. Mm-hmm. And this album is called Dead Mall. and this album is just straight up you're walking through them all dude like the music is really quiet

in the background with a lot of like ambient noise I mean for all I know this is the godfather of the genre read these track names dude mall entrance foyer fountain food court atrium movie theater

it takes you all the way through the mall dude the last track is called exit that's cool that's the extreme end of it dude what you're going to get if you listen to dead mall And that's the thing about vapor wave, man. Like, it can get pretty bizarre. Yeah, and the thing about vapor wave, it's like, you know, there is a, there is a sound and an aesthetic that we all know if we grew up in the 90s. Or there's probably some artists out there who maybe didn't grow up in the 90s, but there's there's a, there's a, like maybe like an appreciation or trying to, trying to evoke that style and aesthetic because it's so,

distinct, but like when you hear it, you know it, you know what I mean? Like, you know the sound, and it just makes you think of your childhood, man. And that's the whole point, I guess. Absolutely. And that's kind of hypnagogic, right? Not to use that term again, but it's all under the same umbrella, really. So again, that is John Mint and his MollSoft-Tinge vaporwave album Business Logic. He does say here that there is one song off that album that is straight up Mulsoft, and that's track called Blue Light Special. So again, yeah, great stuff. Big fan of this album.

Thank you for chatting with me, John, and sharing some nuggets of wisdom with me. And yeah, dude, swing it back at you. What's you got for us? Okay, Q, this is the band that I've been obsessing over ever since I stumbled upon him last week. It's one of those bands where it's like, where have they been all my life

because they've been around forever. And they're amazing. And this record, I fell in love with it. I would like to do a full-length episode on this album at some point. This is a UK Shugay's Alt Rock Band called Catherine Weill. And they're fucking amazing, dude. That's all I can say.

Yeah, it doesn't ring a bell for me, dude. So, yeah, they didn't blow up in the U.S. Like they did in the UK. So they're based out of the UK. They had some records and singles that they put out in the U.S., but they never really caught on. But what's great about this band, and since you play it a couple tracks from them, and that's what we're going to do. So I'm going to play a couple of tracks, one from this record that I'm obsessed with and one from the record that came out before that.

But the best way I can describe these guys is they kind of, to me at least, I'm not hearing anybody else describe it this way, but to me at least, I feel like the vocal delivery and the way he kind of structures the vocals reminds me of new wave stuff, like a tears for fears kind of thing. Love me some tears for fears. Just the sound of his voice, maybe. So it's kind of softer vocals, but with some shoegaze, like a lot of feedback, guitar, distortion and stuff like that.

And I feel like with this record called Chrome that came out in 1993, it does a really interesting job sort of flirting with grunge a little bit, but shoegazy, right? Lovely. So anyway, we're going to play the opening track off of their 1992 record called Ferment. And this song is called Texture, again by a group called Catherine Wheel. Holy shit, dude. Holy shit. I know. It really is one of those bands where it's like, God damn it, if this isn't fucking amazing.

Man. Where has it been all my life? 92? 92. Dude. I love that song. Let me tell you something, dude. The landscape of rock and roll in the 90s is continuing to expand in my little ignorant brain.

Dude, it's never going to get matched. Like, that was the last decade of great rock music. There's so many styles in, and, you know. sub-genres of different, you know, emerging styles that I'm now just now learning about what's happening. I mean, dude, 92, that was what? Was it, Nevermind? Yeah, I believe so. Loveless came out, my bloody Valentine.

Or no, that could have been 91, but smashing pumpkins had reached the stage by then. I'm telling you. Dude. Nevermind was 91. Okay. But still, dude, it was all happening around this time. And yeah, like you said, dude, it's the emergence of growth. Brunch and Shugase at the same time.

Yeah, and it's all happening and, you know, and alt rock. All of those sounds you're going to hear in these different bands. I think Catherine Wheel is a good example of sort of all of the above, you know what I mean? And a lot of these artists were listening to New Wave bands like Tears for Fears from coming out of the 80s. Do you see what I mean by these vocal delivery? Absolutely. Yeah. I love that harmonizing and the repetitiveness.

I've mentioned this before. I like repetition and music. Yeah. They do it really well. The guitar, I love the guitar work too. So we are going to play another song here, which I know you're probably excited to hear another one from these guys. Yeah, dude.

I would like to do an episode on Chrome at some point. So this came out the next year, so 93. The next year, yeah. But one more thing about the record that we just played a track from Ferment. Just a couple of, like, accolades here, like Pitchfork back in 2016, put them as number 23 on their list of 50 best shoegauge albums of all time. and the following year, Paste magazine or Paste publication, I raked the album as number six on its list of 10 Shugaze albums for people who don't like Shugays.

Nice. Which is kind of like one of those things where it's like, you like Shugays, you just might not realize it kind of thing. I think it's probably what that's getting at because like if you listen to Loveless, there's a very different sound on Lovelace than some of these other Shoegays bands. It can be a little jarring at times. Shoe gaze is very wide ranging rank. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, all right, let's jump into this here. This is where I think you're going to hear more of the grunge guitar sound. So again, this is Catherine Wheel. This is track two off the record, Chrome. It's called I Confess. I'm going to say something bold here, dude. Okay. That sounded a little bit like bush mixed with the cure.

Hmm. Interesting. Bold because, you know, there's a love-hate relationship with Bush for me and a lot of people well but now that you said that the vocal delivery did kind of sound a little bit like um what's his face Robert Smith or Gavin Rossdale yeah Gavin Rossdale yeah who you know hey Bush is also from the UK right yeah but yeah you see what I mean by a little bit a little bit more grungy yeah um but not really grunge right but still shoot gaysy right anyway chrome is amazing um pull that record up and hit play

maybe we'll well not maybe we will we will definitely do a episode on this record because it blew me away it's been on heavy repeat for the last week so we will you will hear more catherine wheel on this podcast eventually if you liked those two tracks all right cue man we still got two tracks left to play three tracks right you've got two more i got one yeah yeah dude let's keep it going here all right cue i'm going to throw it back to you what you got all right well like i said dude and this was not intentional but I'm bringing nothing but brand new songs, dude. It's a band called Goat Girl. You've ever heard of them?

No. Goat Girl, no. Goat Girl. Yeah, they are a... I don't know how to describe them, dude. Like, I don't know, post-punk, indie, alt, rock. Whatever you want to throw out. I mean, it's a little bit of an electronic bend, maybe.

They have been around since 2015. They're out of South London. And this is a brand new album of theirs called... On all fours. Trabb, you're going to love this track, dude. And yeah, we're going to jump right into it. This is a song called Sad Cowboy. I love the harmonizing.

Yeah, dude. Her vocals remind me of somebody, and I can't place it. But, yeah, I love a good, I'm a sucker for a good female vocalist, man. Me too, man. More and more as time goes on. Yeah. I can't, man, that's going to keep me, keep me up at Nike

I can't figure out who that reminds me of But maybe it'll click one of these One of these days Yeah maybe Really good stuff dude The whole album's great A little bit of a range and sound From track to track

But yeah that's goat girl And And goat girl Goat girl Brand new album on all fours Jump right in dude The whole album's great Awesome

All right rapid fire brother Last pick for you What you got for us All right man So here's another record that I just stumbled upon last week by a band called Torch, I think, is what they're maybe pronounced. T-O-R-C-H-E. Torch or Torch-A, maybe. Torch. Anyway, these guys are kind of a doom sludge metal, but I'm going to call them Doom Gays Q.

Because they've got some shoegaze elements to him. But not on the more slow, like, sludgy, droney side of doom gaze. Right. If you haven't listened to our DoomGaze episode, we kind of break it all down. But I think the way that these guys do their guitar work sometimes, and even his vocals, it's a little, it's certainly not kind of what you would think of when you think of Doom metal, the classic, like, doom metal sound like, you know, those guys that we talked about, sleep. or, you know, bands like that.

A little more on the heavy side. Yeah. But the, they, they do have tracks like that with the riffs that are straight, doom riffs, right? But I think a lot of it is more of a very lush, very guitar-driven sound, which is great. So they put out a record in 2019 called Admission. And I'm going to play the title track off of this song.

So, of course, cue the name of the song is admission. So here we go. This is Torch and the song is called Admission. Good stuff. This is a great record, man. I was going to say, dude, I want more of that. Pronto. Cue it up, dude.

It's called Admission. That's another start to finish record, man. That's great. Awesome. It has a really great flow to it. A lot of great, great guitar riffs. These guys are riff machines. That song in particular admission, the title track,

is a lot more open and soaring, you know what I mean, and lush kind of sounding. Yeah. But they're all over the place with the way that their song sound, but there's a couple on there that kind of have that vibe to it, where it just hits and it starts and it's very large sounding. You know what I mean? You know what that is, dude?

What is it? That's a lawn mowing song. And I'm looking at my lawns about that time. Okay. Well, this is a great lawn mowing record. I'm going to queue it up. You should for the next time I get to it. All right.

That band was called Torch, and that was their latest record admission came out in 2019. All right, Q, bring us home with the final track. What's you got? Oh, man, I got a doozy for you, dude. I saved a banger for the last track, man. So, uh, tricot. I've brought them as a watcher before. Tricot.

Tricot. Tricot, this badass, alt-rock, Japanese group. I brought an album, a song of this from their album, The, or T-H-E. I'm not sure how you said. It's all kind of spaced out. back from 2013. It's just got this awesome, like, grungy, like poppy. They got these complex, like math rock rhythms.

They're just phenomenal. And they've been dropping singles left and right over the last month or so. I'm going to play... Actually, dude, we're going to watch the music video because the music video's dope. Okay. Let me share my screen. This is, again, a band called TriCont. And this is their latest...

single in Aie. Thank you. So they're like a math rock band, right? Yeah, for the most of their stuff is straight up math rock. You know what's funny, dude, it says here in this in this little snippet on Spotify, that they were asked about if they're familiar with math rock. They have no idea what math rock is.

So, yeah, it's just. Just a coincidence that they come across. That's how they structure songs and stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Love their stuff, dude. Love it. Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, obviously they're Japanese.

So, like, this is a random tangent, but like the music video has like some Japanese characters and stuff on the right. And now, because I've been in the vapor wave wormhole for so long, you know how a lot of vapor wave artists will just throw. Japanese characters on their album art, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's just so funny that like this is some music that's being made in Japan right now. But like the aesthetic of like Japanese or these characters and anime even sometimes is kind of thrown onto vapor wave stuff. But like, you know, this is what's actually happening in Japan, or at least in these guys' neck of the woods.

There's a lot of stuff like this in Japan. Now that I think about it, like that bento. Yeah, one of my favorite. math rock bands I found was called Toe. Yeah. And they were fucking great. Yeah, dude. But, um, but, but yeah, man.

Oh, they have a new record. Fuck me. It's great, dude. There's some, unless, unless it's, it's just recorded this way to make it sound like it's live. There's some live recordings on it. Awesome. Anyways, that was brand new track from Tricot. I can't wait to hear more stuff from them.

Again, that was a song called N-A-E. And yeah, dude, that's a wrap on this, what you heard. Well, Q, we've got a couple episodes lined up for the next three, I guess. So, yeah, next week, I think we teased it a couple times already, but we're going to talk about Kings of Conveniences' latest record, peace or love. It dropped last Friday, which was the 18th for us, the day that we recorded this at least. And I've already listened to it like three times, dude. Yeah, it is great. It's good.

We're going to talk about it. Especially for us, like, hardcore Kings of Convenience fans. Yeah, it's hard not to like it if you're a devoted fan like we are. Because, you know, this is the first music to come out in 12 years. Yeah. So, yeah, we played the single on our last What You Heard. That was the single that played us in called Rocky Trail. But yeah, we've got a few songs that we're going to play from that record.

And we're just going to talk about the boys. again, you know, Ireland and Iric and how amazing these guys are. And I think one of my favorite things about this record is that they brought Feist back. Yes. So we're actually playing two tracks that feature Feist, which is great. Yeah, and she showed up on their riot on an empty street. Is that right? The album that we were introduced to first.

That was our intro into Kings of Convenience. Yeah, she was on a few songs on that record. Like our intro to Kings of Convenience was also. in a way, like having Feist kind of paired with them, you know what I mean? Because a couple of this, I think it was the same, two songs, right? Featured her on, right? Right. Yep. So, yeah, that's kind of the way that they handle this.

They bring her in for a couple tracks and it's the perfect fucking pairing. And it's like, it's such a perfect match. It really is, dude. So anyway, we'll do that. And then we'll see what happens after that. We have a couple ideas. we're definitely going to circle back to the clientele at some point. So I would like to cover them.

And then we'll see what happens after that. Yeah, not sure what we're going to do after that. But some more exciting news in the world of no filler, we are bringing on our dear friend and listener, Ronnie, who we've given quite a few shoutouts before on this podcast. We're going to bring her on as our social media, a guru. She's going to help us figure out how to do the old, the old social meets, dude, because we don't know what the hell we're doing. We're pretty bad at it. We're terrible.

But she's going to help us on Twitter. And she's just going to be a part of the show. I feel like she already is part of the show. You know what I mean? Yeah. But now we're going to sort of bring her into the mix a little bit more. And so yeah, we're going to have a sort of a dedicated Twitter person for us. Her name is Ronnie. She's awesome. She is a big fan of the show. And we're big fans of her.

So yeah, hopefully that means our Twitter account. I mean, the bar is really low right now for the number of posts and interactions that we have on Twitter. I mean, right now we're doing like one tweet a month. That's what I'm saying. Which is pointless. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. So you'll be hearing more from us on Twitter, which means you'll be hearing from Ronnie on Twitter. Yeah, and we're really hoping that she'll join us on the pod every now and then and share some tunes with us. Yeah, because I'm sure you guys are tired of hearing just the two of us chatting, you know. Right. So we'll bring another person.

Yeah, me too. But yeah, some more to come on that. But she is joining the No Filler family officially. And, yeah. So be on the lookout for more tweets. From no filler. I know that's, I mean, that's all I hear all day is like, when are we going to hear more tweets? When are we going to see more tweets?

Right. Hear more. I guess you don't really hear a tweet. Yeah, you do. If you have your notification sound turned on, maybe. I was making a bird joke. I see. You know, like a bird call.

Yeah, I got you. All right, man. So that's that. Stay tuned for our Kings of Convenience review of their latest record. next week, and then we'll see what happens after that. Speaking of Twitter, at No Filler Podcast is our handle. So reach out to us on Twitter.

Tell us what you like and don't like about the show. Tell us what artists you'd like to hear us talk about. What's your favorite math rock band? What's your favorite vapor wave record? Yeah, I need some more good suggestions in that genre because it's a bottomless pit. Yeah, you really do have to sort of like wade through all the muck, you know what I mean, to find the gym.

I feel like there's some vapor wave artists that are like the equivalent of shit posters. Yeah, they're trolling. Like, am I really hearing this right now? Yeah, exactly. So yes, please send us some more good vapor wave songs. And yeah, if we like a song, we'll play it out as an outro on our watcherhood, which we've got one lined up. dude, I'll cue it up in a second.

But before that, we also got to give a shout out to AKG for supporting the show. I'm rocking these dope-ass headphones. I'm talking through this dope-ass mic. We've got the podcast essentials kit that they've provided for us.

It is an awesome just everything you need if you're going to start a podcast. Just a great kit with a killer mic, killer headphones. Wait, they send killer mic to your house. Yeah, dude, he's right behind me.

He's giving me a massage. He keeps me going through the pod. That's awesome. What a deal. I know. Oh, microphone. I see. Yeah.

So thank you to AKG for supporting the show. And also shout out to the Pantheon Podcast Network. We are part of that family. Tons of awesome music-centered podcasts in the network. We're happy to be part of the family. We are at Pantheon Podcasts.com. And speaking of Outros, we have got one lined up from a listener of ours. Her name's Jacqueline.

And she sent us a couple great suggestions for artists to cover. Now, one of them is Lemon Jelly, which, Travis said you're familiar with him, right? I am, yeah. Yeah, it's a British electronic music duo. She suggested an album, a track of there is called The Staunton Lick. So check that one out. going to fade us out with a brand new song from Paris Jackson, aka Michael Jackson's daughter.

She just released an album a few months back called Wilted. Really, really pretty record, dude. I'm a big fan of it. Lots of good tracks on here. She suggested a song called Letdown, so we're going to fade us out with that song. And yeah, that's going to do it for us today. Next week we're going to be bringing some kings of convenience.

And until then, thank you, as always, for listening. And another shout out to Jacqueline. Thank you so much for this track. That's it for today. Thank you, as always for listening. My name's Quentin. My name is Travis. Y'all take care.

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