No Jumper - 1900Rugrat on Being Florida White Trash, Blowing Up, Skrilla, Kodak Black & More

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm in here with my man, Remo, when we're bringing y'all the long-awaited Rugrat interview with my man track in the building as well. You know, what the way? Unbelievably fly over there just for the record. Boosey fade. The little bill.

Just a call out the obvious. Little Bill and Larry Bird. He's glimmering. Track like the last big, like, music mobile of the, like, new generation, right? That's kind of how it feels, right? You don't really see so many people doing that. Like, you do it. Like, you have the Birdman's, you have the, you know, the Masterpiece.

I see what Birdman and a young boy dropped me and track about to drop someone. He might have been back in that booth. No, but for the record, I met him because he was dealing with Kodak and sniper gang and everything. And then all of a sudden he comes through one day and tells me about Melly. And then Mellie gets locked up. All of a sudden he comes through with Vaughn. I'm like, oh, like, you're going to keep being able to pivot, all right? And then, like, maybe there's a little gap after that.

then you bring us the New Dallas and all that shit. And then as soon as I seen that you were working with Rugger, I'm like, man, track just keeps doing it. What's going on? It's crazy. Man, eye for talent. He gets the job done. A lot of people can eye up talent.

It's a different thing to really get it done. It'd be how you treat people too. Like, that's how you still got connections with, like, everybody, like, all the way down the Kodak camp, how long ago? About 20 years ago, man. Been a lot of them with Kodak for about 10 years. I know. And that's why when I've seen you doing the feature with Kodak, I'm like, oh, okay.

Track, track doesn't call in that for everybody. No fact. But you waited for the right time. Yeah. And then also like, don't green light that for everybody. Facts. And Yack got to genuinely want to do it. That's right.

You know what I'm saying? All I could do is just working to the door. Like hot boy too. I get, cut call me like four in the morning. He's like, oh, they want you to pull up to the stew. I'm like, I was cooking with B.A.K.J. That's song that we got. Shout J.

I was like 10 deep. I'm like, can I pull up with 10 people? Like, I don't want to pull up. He asked, yeah. He's straight. I pull up. Dapper, everybody, like, he's good people, bro. That's shit crazy.

Yeah, that's fine, man. So let's tap in with the early days of Rugrats. Tell us a little bit about your upbringing and everything for the people out there. Yeah, yeah, shit. I grew up in Lionstone Creek. I got down, I had, got kicked out of my house when I was, like, 14, because I was just getting, like, in a bunch of trouble in school,

getting in a bunch of, like, legal trouble. And then I had moved in with, like, my homeboy, and, like, his mama, his granny. And, like, he had, like, four brothers all day, like, all day, like, kid, whenever his brothers had kids, there was their kids in the house, a bunch of auntie, uncles, everything. And then got down.

I was just, like, stupid as hell when I was a kid, bro. I was like a badass kid, fan. Like, you know that one kid that, like, got bad ADHD in class? Like, he's just doing all the retarded shit, never in school, like, that's how I would. Really? Yeah, so I was just, like, getting in a bunch of trouble.

So you're kind of, like, predetermined to be a rapper, you think? I don't even think so. Like, I mean, I've rap since I was, like, 13, though. For real, for real. Like, I've been, because I seen like somebody in my middle school rapping, I was like, that shit ass I could do better than that. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna-hmm.

I just kept doing it. I mean, just, I feel like you are kind of represented. You're the first white dude I've seen who really embraced being white trash as a rapper. Oh, God. Like, I feel like you gotta play into it. Like, I ain't never seen nobody like playing into like the crack and shit. Yeah, I never heard a rapper really say cracker in a congratulatory way before you either. It's because when I was like, growing up,

I'm always in a setting where I'm the only white person. So I obviously if they're going to use that word, so I just used it like, I started using myself and everybody in the room crack the fuck up when I say that shit. So it's like putting in my music, that shit, crank. And you tell them about like Florida slaying though, y'all call the police that too though. That's just normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So even if the cops are black, they're still crackers in that environment?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I be saying like, bids, I might be like, bitch, I might be. a cracker, but I ain't no crackers. Oh, God. So where the 1900 come from? So break that down.

Right. It's a whole funny-ass story. Like, so I was like, I was probably like 14 to 15 that time. And, you know, when you don't got no weed, you're looking for roaches. Right? So, oh, God. So I got there, I popped a windowsill open. I'm looking in the window cell.

Because we used to, when it's like hurricanes or raining real hard, we smoke in the crib with the window open in the living room. I'm looking in the window still trying to find the road. I find like a clip like this bit, like that bill of old that fuck. So I smoked that bit, bro. And my brother looking at me, he's like, bro, you smoke. You're like, oh, that weed that shit for the 1900. You smoked some 1900 weed.

And I was like, I'm high shit. I'm like, I'm going to make that bit my name. I was just playing but like two days later, because my name was already rock rat, because I made my name Rugrat, like right when Take Kay was busing. And he was like, I'm a rock rat. And I made that my name. Wow.

That's hard. It affects. So, like, I was like, I already had the rug rat. And then I was like, okay, I'm gonna add 1900, 1900 rug rat. And that was that. Oh, that's hard. That's hard.

Yeah, no, the roach thing, like, that's really how I got addicted to weed. I don't be telling nobody that shit, bro. I had a dude who stayed with me for like a week or two. And then when, like, the whole time he saved all his roaches and then like, because I didn't smoke weed, but I would like hit the blunt a little bit. And then like when he left, he gave me like a pill bottle full of roaches. And I just, I know it's so trashy. And I just started blasting through him.

them and like, I said y'all, I'm breaking it down and re-roll it? No, no, no, no, no, no. We're just smoking the roachers. Oh, yeah, yeah, damn. That's a rich shit. I can't fill the backwood. I ain't a lot back then. We just bring them down and re-roll it, right?

Yeah, call them. That's what I used to do. Second generation blood. Y'all are rich. We're white over here. No, that's the poor. That's the poor. That's the poor way doing it, right?

Right. That's how he used to my kid. No, that's all. But, okay, explain where you're from in terms of Florida, because I feel like a lot of people don't really know what it's like to be from a middle of nowhere-ass place in Florida and how grimy and swampy that shit gets because I've seen some of the most white trash shit

imaginable in Florida over the years just from going down there and shit. Yeah, like it's like, it's like, it's like, Palm Beach is like the real trenches and then it's like a real cracker. It's like just a bunch of suburbs. So it's so tricky because like you go into the wrong part. Really everywhere, police so hot.

Like, it's not like Chicago where police don't give a police on, everybody asks about anything. And then you go into the area, like the suburban areas, they bore this. Yeah. So it's like, hey, you're going to get pulled over like that. A black person in a nice car get pulled over. I let my brother drive my jab for like five minutes. He drove to the stove, got pulled over, bro. They couldn't give him a reason.

He got pulled over. Oh, God. I mean, that's just how that shit goes. Yeah. Yeah, and then, like, bro, a bit of knowing about Palm Beach, bro, like the raw, late part, goddamn late parts of late worth like that shit that shit get gritty found like bad you know any girls that got traffic by geoffrey epstein back in the day

west palm beach is where he was doing I'd be asking girls that shit what's a funny shit I'd be like I'd be like you weren't at the SD house where you was a shit well because that's the part about it is that you got West Palm Beach and you got Palm Beach and so like I forget which one's like the poorer area but then meanwhile he's a billionaire so he's got

like all he's like bringing in all the poor-ass chicks to his compound. I'd be getting lost in the internet shit, but I see something the other day. It said Trump and Bill Clinton was on the Epstein file. They have an email that makes them think that at one point Donald Trump might have suck Bill Clinton's dick, which is one of the hardest things to imagine ever.

I don't think either of them ever really had gay accusations before this, so it's kind of tough to believe. You want Monica Lewinsky? Well, I'm not to say I did not have sexual relations with Trump. With that president. So, like, how far is, like, Limestone Creek from, like, Miami? Linesstone probably, like, because Linesstone, like, at the top of Palm Beach of north. So probably, like, an hour and 45 minutes.

But if you go, if you go, if you're all the way down and, like, Boka or, like, D'R. It only take, like, an hour to get to Miami. Because you damn, bro. So, like, when you first started rapping, because, like, Limestone, we didn't really hear about that. What's your aspirations or, like, what's your thoughts? process like how I'm gonna make a I I had I had a little bro we had y'all know who legit man is mm-mm you remember that it was like a little legit with face tats a short light skin jit with an afro he had PnB rock cosine trippy red coson he had

everybody on his nuts feel me bro I remember a little toe grew up in my crib you feel me like that's my little cousin like you feel me so he blew up and started claiming the raw like claiming a whole different hood so it's like one big thing for me was like when I went up I wanted like my hood to be stamped. You feel me like nobody know about limestone. You feel me like the raw late part, everybody know about them hoods and Palm Beach. Don't nobody know about line stone.

Don't know about it. And nobody even blow up by the Palm Beach anyway. Like the only people that did like pass. Like I don't know if y'all know about money Mitch. Fee me, he blew up. I think the little baby was about to sign him or did sign him and then he like got shot by the police and then got their jail summer. I don't know if y'all know about him.

He was like, bro. That man was. That man was fun to be like the Haitian chief key film, like literally like, like as I feel like Cah might have been as big as yet by now, like no bullshit like, like, that shit crazy. But he died in like 2019. But you're saying that like a lot of people would be tempted to just claim like a bigger area as opposed to their specifics.

Just to get some credit and then the bigger area gonna let them do it just because like bitch they got some clout and they feel like that's gonna be their way out. You feel me like that shit just crazy. Oh God. Definitely. But were you surrounded by a lot of people rapping when you were coming? coming up or you're kind of like one of the few people who had the balls to do it in high school and shit?

Nah, like, I ain't gonna lie. It was only like one or two rappers in my middle school and then like it wasn't nobody really like with no hard shit. And then it was okay, so boom, in the city we got like G40, he got some motion. Miami, he got some motion. What's his name? Reesosa, but he locked up. He would have been busing way more if he wasn't locked up. He gasped.

And then like people. Dicey Tweedzie, like an old-haired rapper from Palm Beach. Yeah, I thought about. You feel me on God. Fossus one, monster, like, all that. But them, like, they had real motion in the city. I had no motion. I went from having, like, no rap motion for eight years to, like.

Eight years, for a year? To, like, busing, bro. Like, for, bruh, I've been dropping music as I was 13. All right. So break that down. So you've been doing music for 13 years, well, for eight years, right? When I was in, I think, it was like the end of eighth grade, because I was seen the jet rapping, you think.

I go on, I'm on. on like an old HP laptop or like Adele. I don't even remember where it was. But it was, you know them Turtle Beach Xbox headsets? Bro, I'm making shitty-ass music on that bit. But I'm rapping though, you feel me? Like, I own, it wasn't audacity, but it was like some other shit to record on. You couldn't even mix on that bit.

Like, all you could do is like put a little reverb. And that bit wasn't even no good reverb. Like that bit sounded like you was in a gym class, like, for real, like the locker room. So yeah. that for like years. I probably first went to the studio when I was like 17 because I got I got locked up when I was 16 and then came home when I was 17. What did you get locked up for? I violated probation like they said I had like 121 violations. Oh sure. But like it was I had picked up a new charge for um it was like they called it like robbery by sudden snatching and

burglary of a occupy vehicle because somebody like told them out went in a car and like snapped something out of hand but that wasn't how it went like I just pleaded guilty and then they draw that bit petty theft and pay to have a trespass and some shit like that. All right. So all those years making music though, like when you look back on it, like what were you missing that was keeping you from getting some person? I really feel like it was like a God thing and like I weren't ready. Like I was assed.

Like I don't feel like I was as good. I feel like I wasn't like good at rapping like I was not. I found my pocket. I don't think you was ever asked. I don't think I was, no, like I had the lyrics but like my flow and the You know, you feel me? Yeah. So eight years of developing your flow.

What was the moment that got you to where you feel like, all right, everybody paying attention now? Or what was the breakout shit that happened when you were like, oh shit, this shit working? You know, eight years, you'll be a nigga might quit after grinding for so long. I ain't like, it was times I did quit. I restarted. Like, I deleted everything, restarted. Like, you can go back to my early music from like...

Yeah, because you got a little bit of stuff from like four years ago, but then for the most part, everything is like one year old. So from like four years ago. Like, that's where I deleted everything again. That's probably like the third time I deleted everything and restarted. Yeah. So, like, I feel like it's always going to be a million people that tell you not to do some shit. Like, it's always going to be a million people that tell you, oh, and they're going to hide that shit as they try to help you. And as constructive criticism, the whole time, like, they see you got potential and they're trying to fuck your ass up.

Don't listen to them. Do what you good at. Do what you know you good at. Do what you. It don't matter. They say you bad at it. I don't got. And especially if it's something you love because why you don't.

Like, if it's something you love to do, find a way to make money off of it, and you're going to love your life. You're going to be grateful. What was inspiring you to get back in it, though? You said you quit three times and then you'll start over. Like, what made you? Most of the time that I quit, it was like under circumstances to where, like, bro, like, me trying to focus on music, fuck me up more than, more than it's like doing anything.

So I'm like, okay, let me fall back from me. But I was still, like, freestyling every day and shit. You feel me? I just wasn't going to the studio. And then, like, when I got back into it, I still, still could barely go to the studio. So it's like mad demotivating, you feel me? I ain't really start cranking until I like, the freestyle shit started busing.

And then like I got damn did that shit every day. So even though I'm flat, bro, like, I got a job at like Tijuana flats, brats, bro. I'm going 50-50 with a bitch who would beating my ass. Like, I'm feeling. But look, I'm still like, I'm still on T-Tit-Tor everyday freestyling for 60 seconds. You know what I'm saying? DeLing with domestic violence. Yeah.

Yeah, and I make it, but I can't even pay for the studio like that, because I got other shit to worry about it. So it's like, that's why I be saying, too, there's no excuses. Like, even if you feel like there's, like, there's a way out. So you feel like TikTok was what did it for you, though? But TikTok 100% did it for me. I'm trying to get that bit of do it again. I'm talking about that bit of fam.

So what was your approach on TikTok? Was it, all right, I'm going to get this one song hot. It was like, I was posting audios. I blew up in 2021 off of just talking shit. I was just talking about controversial shit. and goddamn Joe Biden, Donald Trump, white people, all that. Because I knew that shit was just, you know what I'm saying? Then boom, I got banned in like a week.

Did you have it last long? Did you have a lot? But I got like 80K followers in like one week and then I got banned. Then I come back. They give me my account back four months later. No motion for some years. I'm posting audios. Audio's not doing shit.

Then I'm like, okay, let me try to freestyle. Post a freestyle. The audio got like 20 likes. Freestyle. like 120 likes. So I just seen that little change and I just attacked it and started doing it every day. So I'm posting three to five videos a day, but I'm posting like one or two freestyles every day. You feel me? And at this time, do you still got like, do you got the image yet? Is the tattoos and

all that shit there? So like I had just a triple cross tattoo. I had a rug rat shit and you know my mama name. I had this on my hand. I ain't had other shit because I ain't had the money to get tatted. You know what I? Yeah. But like also the idea behind this shit, that shit was definitely like in my head like, okay, this is what's going to stamp me and people's head as 1900 rock rat. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you see me and you see this, who else am I?

Post Malone? So it's like, like, if I would have not had this, I feel like I could have ended up just being like that white boy that was freestining on TikTok last year instead of 1900 road rat. But that took a lot of determination because going to 80,000 followers and then going back to zero must have been heartbreaking. because like when the time you get to 80,000 followers you're just starting to think like they don't starting to make it bro that shit was like like that shit I had to just give it up to

god and be like god no I'm not ready yet. Mm-hmm for real for real like that's all I had to do like I couldn't really like I was mad as fuck. Mm-hmm like I'm bro my people could tell y'all bro I was like mental breakdown mad as for like but that shit and that's the crazy part is that you do controversial shit to go viral to get you get you get it. followers but then like a platform like TikTok that feels like one of the number one way to get the leaded that's another thing too I wouldn't have like capitalized off that

I would people would have been like looking the rug rat for the hear him say some stupid shit or hear him talk shit not to see his music and I still feel like I like it's like that a little bit just because of the song that blew up is like saying off the wall shit now they just want to hear some off the wall shit they don't want to hear my story they don't want to feel me but that's that's true to an extent You know what I'm saying? Like, it'd be the, it'd be just the, I'd be reading comments and shit too much. Track, what's your memory of how you first saw him?

Was there a video or a TikTok or something? First, honestly, it was through just like the team. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to like 300. The A&R, Nick had, like, just reached out to me. I'm going to remind you. Yeah. Beechline put Drew onto my shit.

Right, that's what I'm saying. So Nick actually hit up, I was moving around, so Nick hit up Drew. Drew was like, yo, B. Slyma connected me in 19 and then from there we got a meeting. And I flew back to Florida and then we met at this little lounge. I forget what it was called. It was Victory. It was Victory. Shout out to Victory.

That was like, I'm brand new. I just met, and Drew filmed it. And you know, I'm from Palm Beach. So like, brad like, Melly, you know, me. Like, family is like 30 minutes up the road from when I stay. Like, Vero Fort Pierce and that shit right there. I got cousins over there. So like, bro, that shit close to home.

So like, everybody knows, like, track down south. Right. Everybody, yeah, but for sure. But it's like, like, if you got track looking at your shit down south, you like, especially when you don't got shit, that's like, okay, boom, I'm going somewhere. Not like, oh, bro, you feel, me? Like, and then like, Drew, too, drew a big-ass name, bro. Like big ass name, bro.

So, like, I'm... That's crazy, though, because, like, Melly must have been locked up for almost the whole time that you've been rapping. Yeah. Yeah. Well... What has it been? Eight years.

He got a lot up in 2019. Because I was... Yeah, I was rapping since, since, like, 2017. Oh, yeah. So he was out for like a year. When Melly got locked up, got down... I was a... I was a...

Melly fan, bro, like, because I was, like, in and out the detention center when I was a kid. So it's like, he rap about... wearing Bob Barkers, that's the clothes they give you in Florida detention. You're talking about the in-nay stories. Yeah, he rap about walking out the tent and you feel me, he rap about shit like that. So it's like, it's like when I'm locked up, I'm singing his shit, bar for ball. Like I'm mad as hell trying to go home.

That shit hit home at no holidays, all types of shit. So, you know, goddamn. Yeah, bro, that shit be crazy. I fought with Melly Heavy. Yeah, but not like after victory, we actually remat here in LA because, um, you You hit me up. And I hit you up. This before, I, so look, before he even, like, took off, like, you hit me up, say,

yo, I got this dude named Rugrat. You see me and shit? I'm just knowing your track record. I'm like, anything you touch on, I know it's going to be gold. You hollered at me. He wasn't ready for the interview yet. Yeah. But you said, hey, I got somebody.

He's going to come check out. He wanted to do some content. He said, you up to do the freestyle at no jumper. Yeah, yeah. So I sent you up to do the freestyle of no jumper. Yeah. I swear it, what, the next week or two, he was viral out of here. Yeah.

Right after that, like literally did the freestyle on Jumper, then I'm like, all right, bro, viral instantly after that. So what was that process like for you? And did you, like, you obviously seen that he was going to be that big, but like, did you know it was going to go that fast? When I got with him and then I listened to the music, I was like, damn, this man's rapping for real. Like, because 19 really, yo, like he could rap, punch lines, metaphors,

everything flows. Like, he's really one of the ones, like put him in a, room with any artist like he's going he's gonna come through you feel me so like when I heard the records I was like damn this shit you know what I'm saying we went to the Rams game we actually went to the Rams games on LA I love that's football game I ever been to yeah we was on the we was on the field and everything like I'm bro Blake Griffin in the section I walk up to play griff I'm drunk as shit I'm like I'm like I don't even know what to say bro you just fine I grew up watching your head bro I was fried I you know what to say I was stuck

So like after that bro, like we were just, we connected for real like the whole day and then we end up locking it in in LA. Like we locked in in the LA office. So, yeah. So like everything been moving fast for you, right? Yeah, yeah. I didn't see you know. It slowed down.

I got like my bearing and like I'm able to like navigate shit more than like when I came to LA the first time I was on. Got damn. That shit ain't even hit me. I was like just zoned out. zoned out half the time, bro. Like, this shit be crazy, feeling like, the first time we went to that restaurant

and the waiter, like, said, like, oh, are you 1900 real rat? I'm in Cali right now. Somebody just asked me, am I 1900 real rat? Even a little shit like that was, like, tweaking me out. Fame is very weird to get used to.

And I feel like people don't really know that until it happens to them, but it's like, yeah, it takes your brain a while to adjust to it. Like, oh, now when I go to a place, it's going to be like this. And it's just, it takes a while for your brain to it.

It's like a function not really having fun, no mode, like, because everybody going to be in your ear asking you for some shit. You know what I'm saying? Whether it's a picture, a song, or a listen, or some shit, and I don't got no issue with no pictures. I love my supporters. But you know, when you're outside, you're in a club, you got a million people in your ear, you can't smoke a blunt and laugh with your homeboy real quick. You know what I'm saying? Like that while I function, not a function. Like, it's so much shit to being famous, man.

I get knocks on the door at 3 a.m. from my neighbors, bruh, God. If you want to do this shit, do this shit. If you don't want it, don't do it. Let me ask you this. What's the hardest part about being famous? Brer, people that, like, you've been with your whole life, like, acting different, brer. Like, literally, like, people that you've been fucked up with, bitch, in a million different situations with. That's always been genuine.

And then, like, them acting different. And, like, you just kind of got to have grace with that shit. That's one thing track taught me. Because I be getting mad. Like, so it's like, I'll just be having it. And I'd be ready to cut the world off when I get it. man I'd be like everybody like hey bray because people be moving weird but then you just got to realize like nobody been around like nobody I grew up with been around the type of money that I'm around now

so it's like I got to like have grace for that shit and have understanding is it account of people feeling like you changing or is it the perception of people around you changing so people are changing around you because they're perceiving you different a little bit of both a lot of people be trying to like a lot of people when they in a fuck-up situation even if you help them out will try to cope with their situation and find someone to blame for that shit. And like a lot of the times if you're doing good, you're going to be the one to blame because whoever they're talking to about you or whatever that shit, just be where they be, be, bro. People got envy, people got whatever the fuck they got in their heart.

I couldn't even tell you, bro, I found track commercials. I got a real genuine smile on my face when other people win, fan. I'd be trying to put all my people in positions. Every show I ever did, I had my brother in the... middle of every set, bro, all the way down to rolling out. My first ever rolling out. Very self-list, too. Yeah. And I don't.

You still rock with the same, like, the dudes that be outside of Blue House? Who that? Who that? I think you did it off the Porsche song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right? And then, like, I had, bro, I had old managers that, like, that, like, fuck me over on some weird shit and then got them, like, went around to the city, acting like, I'm flawed, you, you feel? You feel, I can't, I can't, I ain't gonna say too much about this, ain't no name, or none of that.

I'm getting sued by their ad right now. You feel me? Like, shit crazy. Yeah, because, I mean, you ever read about how everybody who wins the lottery and ends up basically destroying their life? Yeah, bro. Okay, rapping is different because rapping, everybody thinks that you won the lottery, but in reality, you're working your ass off to keep your head afloat

because they see you in millions of views. They think you got millions of dollars. They don't know that you're also investing like crazy back into your career, and it's a shitload of work. I've shot like five videos out of pocket that will never touch the light. today. Oh, really? God, I spent thousands of dollars for no reason. I don't even understand. He's crazy. Right. All right, what's the thought process behind that? While the video is not dropping,

it'd be something where you're like, I don't like that creatively? So, like, I'm a real, like, all over the place artists. So I got, like, all types of flows. And it's just some, like, shit that I be doing. Like, I got, like, melodic shit with, like, real catchy hooks that with, like, heavy auto tune on some, like, chief key shit. Like, and goddamn, they just don't be wanting me to drop that shit because it's not like my, the shit that I already make money. You know what I'm saying? Some more so like label in your area or like they're not.

Pretty much. But it's like I agree with it to an extent. You can look at artists like, I mean, I ain't gonna say no names because I fuck everybody, but I don't want nobody to feel like I'm talking shit. But you can see artists that like tried to switch all they flow right after they blew up and it just don't go right. But then you see ones that it do go right. Like look at Bree 3.

I was just telling her this last night. We were in the 300 recording camp. Bro, she went from the, it's B3 rats, B3 stats to the melodic shit to the Chief Key flow and like both of those songs went stupid viral. Then the second one went more viral than the first one. But with other people it don't be working, I don't want to say no name. But it's a lot of people you can see that like try to switch they flow up and it fucked them up bad.

See 19, like to be honest, bro, he got the creative control to, you know, really do what he wants to do like they just be giving me advice he's he's the artist he'll make eight songs in a day yeah like he's that like and it all be like different worlds different flows so right so he he's so like he's so into it like with the music where like he might like let's say he's dropping a project or he got a roll out going but man he finished that project damn near a month ago because he's yeah yeah the records just drop i'm like bro i've made like 200 something something So we just try to like get the fans like a story like a storyline, build that up, get that over witness, all over.

As far as the creative process, all right, all right, besides outside making the music, you might make the music, who are you going to to check on the songs? Like, all right, what you think? This is a good song, this not a good song? That's a good-ass question. You know, it's wild, like I could FaceTime bro right now. I got like a supporter who like damn them my doll now. He had DM me like on some hate and shit.

Not on some hating shit, but just like on some like... Hold you accountable. Yeah, like, he's like, this shit ass, bro. Like, it's not you, bro. And I'm like, bitch! I replied back, I forget what the fuck I said. But he, he like me, bro, like, he ain't really autistic, but we got a little bit of a tism, you feel me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, he's up there with the music, though. He's like a 35-year-old white man, bro. Oh, right. But he's on it, though. I thought he was a police at first, but he cool as fuck on God. Literally, like, I'd be sending in my whole vault because I know he's not going to sell it on some weird shit.

Yeah. And then like I be, I used to like send it to like all my brothers. I got down. I had like locked that bit at a point in time. Now I don't send it to everybody. And then I'd be like, my old lady got my shit. Feel me? Like, yeah.

I'd be like, bro, I'd be in this dude like 20 deep just me in a bunch of holes, bro. And then maybe like a producer, my engineer and that's it. But the girls don't get in the way of the creativity. It doesn't slow you down too much? I love that shit. I love just like zoning out, getting them a bottle of Don and like a bunch of tacos letting them do their thing. A bunch of tacos is crazy.

It's just like the energy. A bunch of tacos is crazy. Like I don't know. It made me feel like I gotta go harder because it's more pressure when it's a bunch of people in the home. You feel me? Like when I'm by myself, that's when I do like the experimental, like crazy shit. But then when I'm like with a bunch of people, I wrap my ass off.

No, this man. Why tacos? Talking tacos in Miami, if y'all know, that shit is so good, bro. Talking tacos, we're going to hit that up. Bro, gold. It opened like five in the morning, all hours. Like, that shit's slinging. You ever been to BurgerFi?

Yeah, yeah. What? I just went there. Burger Fyes did that crack. You liked it? I was not so friendly to it. My brother had a job at Burger Fy. I was in the front, so they had, you had, like, cashier, and making shakes,

and my brothers in the back making the burgers. Hell yeah. No, we were, because we were in Fort Lauderdale, and, like, that's the first place we went to get some food. And, like, everybody in there was fucking with us. Was like, Adam, how you doing this shit? But nobody was tripping too hard. Like, burger-fi was very low-key, very respectful.

Yeah, for sure. They don't got no good, I just thought about that. I don't think they got no real good burger spot down south, bro. I mean, I like, five guys. But that's where that's like, that's like, national chain, yeah. I'm saying, like, some shit that's really just in Florida. We don't got no good burger for that. That's a good point.

Was it intentional? Because like when I was watching your career kind of really start to unfold, was it intentional that you decided that you wanted to do a lot of features? Because I feel like you kind of intentionally, like in particular the BOP kosher feature and the Skrilla feature. And I was like, damn, like he did the right thing in the sense that you got on tracks with these guys and just completely sounded like you were on their level, like really made hits that I could imagine that large percentages of their fan bases

became fans of yours after that. No, I appreciate that too, actually. Like, no bullshit. But goddamn... Kosha, like, that Kosha, Georgia, and Skrilla was, like, three people that all my, all-day fan bases was telling me that I need to cook with them.

And then, like, Georgiana was getting comments for the cook with me. And then, same with Kosher, you know, the white thing. And then got them... The Florida thing. Yeah, yeah. And then goddamn...

I was talking to Georgiana yesterday because she had a video on live, they was like, are you from Florida? She was like, I ain't for the Florida. I was like, what's your problem with Florida, for him? Did you think that? No, she's from Indiana, but people would be thinking that she's from- I think I assumed as well.

Probably because of the goals. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of goals, nigga, you from Florida, why you ain't got goals? You know, news? I did. You did. You did. I did.

I wanted to go Veevee, just because, like, I don't know. I might go back gold, but I just wanted to go a diamond just because, like, it's like, it's still up. You're switching it up, though, though, for Florida now. Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna lie. You know how they say, like, if you don't go permanent, you're not really from Florida. I don't got no perms.

My shit just look permanent. I think everybody, I even seen a little Tyler, so he regret going perm. Everybody be saying that. That's why I don't do it. I have perms. I don't regret it. But I just feel like you do upgrade and you want to change certain things. With the perm, you kind of stuck with what you got.

Fex. My brother told me. Brother told me not to get that shit. He was like, go pull out, bro. You're going, you don't want to do that. Only because the pain. And if you're not rocking, if you're not rocking with the pruns for a long period of time, Like, I had moms for damn there four years.

Yeah. You ain't rocking out. Some people got their parents in Florida of a 10. And to keep your shit healthy, bro. Like Drew getting his shit popped out every year. Like, every six months, get the clean and then get a cement in the back. That's your hurt too. That's what if you got money, you do shit.

Like that shit, that's a goddamn'em of trip. Really? Just a couple of shit out. You know, Drew Justin Beaver. You got to fly. With the Skrilla one, I did that because, like, our fan bases was on it because one take is like a Philly Scrilla type beat. You feel me? I really wanted, at first I was gonna get him on the remix,

but then Cud came with the Kodak idea because on the song, I was like, I'm already white. I don't even know white. That was me paying him as to Yatt when he was like, I'm already black don't even know black bits. That's why on his verse he was talking about that. He was like, I admit I said a lot of dumb ass shit when I was young, oh God.

But yeah, when that scrella shit happened with that Auntie ain't playing, that shit went stupid. We ain't, I ain't gonna lie, Kanye. We didn't get that shit clear through Kanye. We got that shit cleared through like the old sample, that Kanye sample. Word.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's hard. What was it like being up there in Kensington, though? That's like a whole different breed of street creatures up there. Anyway, that's the first time I popped a 30. Because, like, you know, I used to be on Erksbad, like, around that time, but I was, like, only pop a tens and shit. That's the first time I popped a 30.

I don't even remember how it was in Kensington. It just made you more to pop a 30 being in that environment. Everybody was cold, too, right? I was on an Erksbad and they ain't had no tens. I think it was freezing, too, that day. It was freezing, too, that day. It was cold, and all I had was that bait jacket and some skinny jeans. Yeah.

I mean, the 30 feels like more... I got so proud I lost the jacket. I never seen that jacket since that night. That's a bar. I got some frown I lost my jacket. Is it just mirror, does the 30 feel crazier than three tens? I think that 30 got... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's something different in that. Yeah, yeah. That 30 not three tens, bro. Brick baby gave me a 30. I never did it since. I don't know why people say that. Like, they try to say you could... That's like the same thing.

No, it's not. A 30 and three tens is two different things. Two different things. Yeah, yeah. I know box. Boxi-e-out. Yeah, yeah. I seen you with you in Box, I did, yeah.

I love Box to death. Man, Cud. Me and Box be fried, bro. Yeah, now, Bonds be doing this shit. I love Box, bro. Yeah, shout out my brother, man. But yeah, like, them 30s, bro, like, you could do any drug and be straight.

You do it 30, you're gonna be like, eh. How do you meet Box anyway? Cause I've been seeing you're looking. Loosely. I got a shout out, but y'all got to see that belt. Yeah, got to see them with the BB Simon and this shit. With the chrome hat. He got the shades with it too.

Like he did a collab with BB for a Complex Con. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, can I put a vote to say 19 be the flyest artists out? Flyer, crack in the world. I'm fresher than for real. I'm saying, past the crack. I think he'd a flyer as a mall and man be popping.

We need to hear some other options as well, but yeah. I'll leave it a comment. There are some people are going to take issue with that. Okay, so it's like between me, Timothy Shalamee. Justin Timberlitt. Bro, is Adam on that list, though? Is Adam on that list or no? Fly list, fly, live.

Wait, white boy list? Yes. Oh. He said, you and Timothy, Salamake. Oh, good. Justin. Oh, yeah. You said, Justin Bieber.

I know you BMS. You skate too? Nah. No, I can't skate for shit, but I used to, like, try to. Yeah. I'm ass, but I love skating. Damn. Okay, yeah.

That's, uh, nah. I wish I was a skate push. I tried to drop into, like, a six, it was like a six foot with a coping. Uh-huh. Bro, I fell right on my chest, fan. You want to get in the game? I know some BMX brands out there, I'm sure.

Bro, I do that shit, no bullshit. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just got to, somebody got to teach me, so I don't do that shit again. I fell right over the handlebars. You can't be on no perks. I don't do that, man. I was so sober at the time, though.

I was like, this was like when I was, like, probably like, 12, 13. I tried to get on the bites. But I was sober. I didn't get on it, like, because I got on Zanzbad first before I ever did purse. When you started doing, what's your drug of choice usually for when you

in the studio. When I'm in the booth, like, nowadays, I'll be real, like, I'm trying to quit that shit, you feel me? So, like, I got, I was on X pretty bad and I got off of that shit, quit it. And then the drink, the drinks are all the shape, bro. Like, don't ever do no X, don't ever do no drink, don't do no drugs, period. But, like, certain drugs feel so good. Like, it's like, it's meant to make you feel good.

It's literally you look up what does X do makes you feel good. Like, literally, euphoric effect that's just making you feel good. But you don't feel you get gnarly hangovers from the X? I used to, I used to wake up. This is my thing, like, I calm down to come down with the drink. And then I wake up, probably a little angry from the drink. And then just like, shake back. Eat a little meal, drink some good amount of water, pot of that eggs.

Literally, I was just like, every day, like, just rolling. A lot of people, honestly, a lot of rappers with interviews over the years is just like, yeah, I do it every day. But it's like, it was like just to like, I don't know. So it makes you feel like you need that shit to like not think about a bunch of bullshit. You know what I'm saying? Which you don't for it. You don't at all.

It's just a drug trick. It make you think you need that shit to make good music. You'll be like, oh, I made the best music off of the perks or off of the... So you're not taking it for the music, you was taking it to cope with the shit? I was really like, yeah, pretty much. Like, I just like, like, I ain't never did no drugs with the intention of like, oh, I'm going to do this to make this song. Like, I was always doing that shit just because like, like, I, I, cut him. brats, bro, I get stressed to f*** out.

By the end of the day, some gonna stress me to fuck out. And it was like that for, like, some months after I blew up. It's because so much different transitions. And then, like, I was, like, stressing trying to, like, get another hit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm trying to, like, get something bigger than one tape. Like, that's how, like, I think I don't want to sustain what I got. I don't want to grow. You know what I'm saying? So I'd be overly stressed out because I'm scared to go back, bro. You feel me?

I'll fuck with it. No, literally, though. So it's like, I got that going on. And then it's like, I be dull most of the time because my family situation is... So it's like... So the reason I don't... I be trying to just float is because I don't be wanting to think about all that shit.

And when I do that, and I... That shit has fucked up my mental to why I won't want to talk to nobody. I'll just get in the booth and... When I get off the ex, I'm networking like shit. I work. Like shit, like, bruh. Just not to talk too much about it, but you said your family situation Can you give us a little insight?

Like what you mean about that? Like, with me getting kicked out, like, I used to harbor a lot of resentment about like my folks who kicked me out of the crib, my mom and dad, and like, you know, they divorced and shit. My really happened with my mom kicked me out. And then my dad was like, well, you can't stay here 100% of the time. And I was like, well, let me stay with you, bitch one week. You then you dropped me off in my brother house.

And then he won with that shit because he stayed like, he had moved all the way to near where Melly at. Really, Port Salerno Hope Sound. That's like, that's where Delo at. Feel me? My dad stayed like 10 minutes from where Delo stayed, you feel me? So, got down. Yeah, bro.

So I harbored a lot of resentment, but then I got over that shit. But then when I blew up, you know, folks start asking for shit. And like, you feel me? I got love for my family and shit. But like, when my, I ain't even gonna say folks, I'm gonna just be direct so that my mama don't feel no type of way. I love my mama to death, even through all that shit and my pops. But my pops was asking me for money and shit.

And I was just like, yeah, no. Like, I'm not. kick me out of crib at 14, bro. I'm not for no. I'll help out. You need some surgery. You need something for your health. You need money for rent.

You better go make some money. Oh, God. Him kicking you out the crib, though, when you go look back at it, was it the results of you doing a whole bunch of shit or he was just on some bullshit? I think it was, but I'm 14. And like, my brother-mama always told me like, like, bro, no matter what your kid do, you're not supposed to kick him out of the house. Like, it's not like she was in my ear trying to make me feel like they was wrong.

That's just genuinely how she felt. And that's how I felt too, you feel me? So it's like, yeah. How your mom feel about everything was going on, like the fame and shit? They're happy for me, though. Like, they're happy for me for shit, so. Like, my mama, my mom, I always say I got a better relationship with my mama than like, my pops for real.

Because my pops just get on the phone trying to sob story, bro, get the . I'm like, yeah, bro. You feel me? That's how I be, bro. Like, I'm gonna be 100% real. I ain't gonna sugar coconut. You feel me, that's just. But then, like, my brother, like, my brother-mama called me.

my brother-grandi called me my mama called me you feel me like then um you feel me I'm picking that phone up they gonna get the help they need whatever the fuck but what I mean that's one of the most consistent things that everybody that I ever seen get money or blow up or whatever is that everybody just comes out the woodwork and starts asking for money and it's like at some point you just really got to lay down the ground rules of like I'm gonna help out this person but I can't you know I told that man I'll give him 20 racks bro because he lost his job. I told him, I told him I'd give him 20 racks because he lost his job three months prior. He told me, oh, I thank you, but I'm going to let you know if after, if I need more.

I said, you're not getting no 20 rack. What before he didn't get him. So he couldn't bring himself to just be thankful in that moment. He was like, well, I might need more. Literally, because I signed a pub deal, so I signed a cop-up. So I had that coppub coming in. I was telling track about all this shit. That shit was fucking up. My mental so bad right after that happened,

I've been in the booth every day since, brother. Literally. That's what it is, though. It's adjusting to a new life, but being able to understand that people's looking at it from their way too and they can't see it from your lens because you're not the one living your life. So the biggest thing I ever, you know,

I tell them, just have grace. If you have grace, you have more compassion. And I'm grateful that I even, like, like, I don't get it, like, fuck, duh. Like, I'm grateful that, like, I had a pops period. You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of people didn't. Like, even my brother, bro, like, his pops left and then came back and then died,

like, three months later, bro, like, no bullshit. Like, damn there in my brother arms, you feel me? So it's like, yeah, like, I'd be grateful. Like, my brother would tell you, he used to see me, ask my pops to go back to his career, and he'll pull up with, like, $20 in a vape. I'm glad I even got $20 in a vaid. And you feel me, get my pops a hug, to be real. Like, a lot of people don't got that.

even with the, like, resentment I got, at least I had a policy, you feel me? I mean, what happened when you got kicked out of 14? Because you said you got locked up at 16. So, like, what was going on in between that? I was, like, in and out of the detention center from 14 to 16. Oh, okay. Yeah, so, like, I was on probation. But did he think he was doing some tough love shit?

Like, I'm going to kick you out so you can figure this out. But what, well, you could do with a 14? The judge looked at my focus and said, do you think that he should be in a program? Because, like, that's what, if you're a juvenile, you get committed to a program in Florida, you feel me? And after you do 21 days in a tent, you still can't get right. It commits you to a gram. So goddamn, judge look at my folks and ask him that. My pop's like, oh, he's just going to violate again if he don't get put in the program.

Told the judge that. So, yeah, it was on some tough love shit. Even when I came home, I got kicked out like two years before I got locked up. And then when I came home, I tried to come back home. And they still wasn't going. They weren't going. And then it was a point in time I got back in my mama crib for, like, I think like a month, and I take full responsibility.

My dumb ass took a car to go get some coochie in the middle of the night. You know what she's even crazier? I got, I got... That's what you get his, his honest. He's honest. They're both honest. Yeah, right. I got pulled over at like three in the morning, and I was scared.

But the police let me go. And then I went home. But I had, like, left the seat bag. I was left the fias low. Like, you left the trail. You left the trail. She right. New one.

Boy, I woke up in the morning to bitch, damn that shit. She was packing my shit, cushing me out. I'm like, oh. Was it worth it? Was the Cucci worth it? Man, hell no. I was not. No, she didn't make me back after that.

They didn't have to win. You got to over this time. Like, I really, knowing that's, knowing I could get kicked out for no reason and then giving them a reason, like, that is where I fucked up. Damn. Let me ask you this. What do you feel like you spend majority of your money on now? Like guilty pleasure?

I would say, like, what? Well, majority, like, of my money go to probably like, like, my, like, music and like, my people music and like my people. But outside of helping people. Outside of that, like, what you spend the money on for your stuff? Boobie truck. I'm just, I'm just, yeah, go co-co. Really?

I get a lot of clothes. I love clothes. I don't be like, you know how a lot of rappers there, like, just borrow the clothes from the store and then, like, bring it back? I like having, like, memories in my closet, if that makes sense. Like, I could look at something and be like, that's what I'd be like, that's what stage dive for the first time, man, you feel me, like, shit like that. And then like, goddamn, bro, I smoke a lot.

So like, like, I don't like just getting free weed from people because it be mid, you feel like, I'll spend that to get some good gas. What do you feel like the best weed are right now? Or what you smoke? I don't even know, like really Cali weed, bro. I come here and I feel like Miami ass, like literally. All right, better question then. How much weed you smoking a day?

How much you running through a day? Probably like on a low end, like a zip on a, if I'm smoking, chain smoking in the school, two zips. And then like I'd be having a bunch of girls at the house. So I'd be having like community weed and that my weed. You feel me? That shit go quick. I get like a pound for like the same price I get a real good QP for and then let them smoke that pound and then smoke the QP or that cracks. You know what I'm saying?

And then, yeah. But Miami, but Miami Thratz compared to L.A. is mid. Yeah. That shit ass, bro. L.A. got that dope. I came over here with a quarter of like a 14 from Miami,

and then I'm like, I got some Metro Blooming. Brough, bro. The Metro Blumen out here would be going crazy, right? Yeah, ass. Oh, no, what? I couldn't even break that shit up. Yeah, no.

His shit goes far. Shout to him. But, and another thing that I spend a lot of money on, br. Drink is super expensive. Another reason. not to do no drugs. What would be going for a line for like 160?

Miami is a lot different in LA, bro. Miami, you're getting skinned $25,300 right now for Trish and Quagin as of what day is it so they don't misquote me because bids, a few months ago, it was different. Damn, it was going up like stocks. November 20th? November 20th, 2025, Trish and Quagin is like 250 a line in Miami.

And Pah, not even the option. Damn, that shit off the shelf, man, yeah. I ain't got that shit out. So, Trague, what advice do you give to an artist under you, who is spending his money on something that I'm sure you have enough life advice or enough life experience to understand that it, you know, might not be the best. Like, is there a part of you that wants to be a dad and be like, listen, bro, this lean ain't in? He do.

Like, like, bro, he damn-n-n-up was fun of, like, not cut me off, but like, like, he was like, not cut me off, but like, like, he was like, call me when you're sober, bro. For real, like, on some shit. I have real conversations with 19 about it and I'm also supportive of whatever, you know, that he want to do, but not in not trying to be enabling either. That's the difference in just where I'm, where it's at now, because it's business, but it's also this, that's like really like a brother too, you feel me, like, in 34, he's 22, like 30, what, 12, 11 years old than him?

Yeah. So it's really like my little brother for, you know, outside of the music. So we just have real, like I was telling Remo before the interview, like, brad, dude has done so much for me beyond music, even down to like helping out my family, like, the My crib is not in my name. He helped me out with that for me so people can't look up and find where I stay. Got down, I got my advance, like, way earlier than I would have got it

because he kept helping me out with that shit. Hooked me up with business manager. Hooked me up with everything I needed, like, all the flap. Like, bro, I ain't spent no money on jury for, like, a year because I was rocket cut shit. Like, God gave me overly right on every aspect of shit. He don't got to do it for real. Like, like.

You have good hands, me. You got track, man. Ain't a lot of track. He, he, he, anybody that nigga goes close on. And beyond that, like I said, with him teaching me, like, grace and shit like that, bray that shit, cubby in my ear just, like, letting me know, like, shit that I don't know anything. I mean, I'm brand new to this shit.

Who your favorite regret? I'd say, like, Tommy Pickles, but I ain't even watch that shit like that for you. I'm be real. Like, yeah, like, I was fucking about, like, like. Yeah, what you was watching? The Simpsons Southport, God damn Rick and Morty more. I liked them cartoons and shit. You said, I remember when Rugrats came out.

What? That she was going crazy. That she was like before my time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was a little kid when it first came out and we thought that that, it was kind of like revolutionary. I'm from the bus down the reptile, though, the reptile. At all, you got a buzz now, that's going to be hard.

What you got right now? That's a G shot. Yeah, this is a G shot. I'm about to get one with like a purple band. He got a whole new kid on the way. Yeah, I got some shit on the way. So what the tattoos got? What you got going on in the sleeve and shit?

I got like a baby tiger on a cloud. out because I had, my little cousin, Tiger had passed away when he was like 17. He was running from the police, hitting cars running for the police, and then he drowned. A bit really don't even know what happened. Oh, shit. And then like, this is my street sign, Linesstone Creek, second street. A bit like, I just got it a slick infected. Not infected, but my skin was like rejecting it.

My skin like super sensitive. I got the litch from Adventure Time with like the snail, because the snail is like, the lits with like the lids behind and the little snail. Like I got the yin and yang on my hands, like the good and evil. You feel me? So like that's kind of on the same shit. And then I got something that say I have my brother's keeper with like an AR. Because my brother named Tets.

So like the Kilt Tate ARP, like I have my brother's keeper. He passed away and like literally the day after Tiger. His best friend shot him nine times. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you get a tattoo your face or you over that? No. Maybe one day I get a little Mario star right here.

A little, yeah. But that's it. And then I got Chuck E smoking the, I just added the blunt that he's smoking to it. I live with my tattoo artists. Yeah. I'm about to go dumb, man. And then I got like these little Mario stars,

Shy Guy, Mario Game Boy. What's your favorite one or one besides 1900? Which one mean the most? Mm. Probably the ones on my hands, because I feel like it's real meaningful. Show them up so the camera can see. Yeah.

like right people would be thinking I'm like the devil worshipper because I got that damn the pentagram on one side but I just got I got the star like down on one's like and the star up on the other because it's like good and evil I feel like you've got good than even your hands it's like your choice which one you want to be and then also it's like well it's your choice with your actions which one you want to carry up and then it's also like like there's not one without the other yeah it's balance yeah I ain't remember that why I got on both that's a bar right there I followed that.

That why I got that shit. Man, I gotta ask this shit. What the fucking with you and Jace? Shit, bro, I was out the ex-talking shit in the interview and got down, they had. So you said something about him first in the interview? Yeah, they asked me about like, and I was just talking about rappers that I listened to that told that like, that shit hurt my feelings. Like, damn, you was hard as fucking, I can't, you feel me? And he was just one of them.

You used to be with Jay's music, though? Bro, I was sh-up about cuz he was becoming like one of my feelings. He's becoming like one of my favorite rappers. Y'all know who Duop Kane is. Y'all had a rock in 2017 or something. One of the only interviews he ever even got on the internet. That's a fair one, yeah. Broh, like, so boom.

Like, I'm fucking up about Duop Kane and Chief Keith. And like, he right up that lane, you feel me? Like, so, you know, that shit fucked me up. But other than that, I don't, I don't got no ill will towards him and then. He had posted a picture of me at, like, when I was like 15 with my ass out. He'd been on you about that pig. I double, I double that.

that old IG associate or so on. Yeah, you can find that beer right now. Bro, I show people that IG when I'm bored, brer. Like, I was like a dumbass legit. But goddamn, I double bat with a video of him with his ass out pointing at the camera spinning on the chair like a stripper,

dude. God damn. Yo, Jay says a funny one because, like, I genuinely like his music and I think he's cool and shit. But when we interviewed him, I asked him about the snitch and shit, and like, I'm so used to rappers,

like, explaining away and, like, having a million different reasons and everything. was just kind of like, yeah, whatever. Like, he just, he didn't even care to explain anything. And I was just like, well, you know, that's kind of valid if you, if you're just going to say, hey, I did some shit that wasn't great. With me, it's like, I fought with like summers, man, heavy.

So it's like, that's another part of it. Like, I'm not, I'm genuinely cool with somebody you told on. There's not no, like, internet, like, issues, no other, like, this man really, really don't put you because you told on him. Like, you feel me? Like, that way, like, even when I, like, even when I went. on Platboy Max, we had like told Max, like, I don't even want to talk about that shit. Don't call that, man.

It is like a meme of like, I guess, well, uh. He called him, yeah, Summers, like, walked out here and one of me in the room. But if you peep, like, Summers and Ken can't all them, they ain't never done no internet shit with his ad ever since that shit happened. You know, they really ain't been talking about, like, the whole Slate World. They don't go about Slate World anymore. But they kind of, like, left that alone. But I fought with Jason.

Oh, yeah. Summer's birthday just passed. He told me to drop a freestyle for him for his birthday. I forgot to do it. I got to do that. How do you get locked in? Where was y'all relationship? Where y'all built that?

Bro, I don't even know how that shit happened. I don't remember if I hit him first or he hit me, but then, like, I ended up going to Dallas for that Jake Paul fight. And that's when I first man, Montana and those boys, too. But goddamn, I could go over there. I hit bro up. I ended up going to Houston just to land with bro. And then he had hot down to clean and dirty remix. But, like, he won, like, all the way happy with his verse.

I don't even think he finished it. Yeah, I don't think we ever did. Like, because we was in that bit floating, like six in the morning, bro, like, goddamn, he ain't finished that bit. But that shit was hard. Y'all ever heard Clean and Dirty, the song I got? I think so, yeah. That's the one he kind of went viral with.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But his remit's gas, low-key. And then people would be like, wait, Summer's on this song? But then, like, if you listen to that swing your pole by him, it's like a chief type. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's why I knew he would slide that bit.

But, nah, man. He said if he wasn't regret. Since then, we went to the strip club. up and Houston like a brand new stature club that had just opened. We was like the only people in that bill with a bunch of old. That shit was turned though. You know, Sammas ass, he lit. He got horror, man. He don't really be

popping out that I'm with. He's the funniest rapper I ever met in my life on Jesus Christ. Every time I link up with Summers, the first thing he'd be, he say, he said, I ain't gonna lie, I got to go to Target. You're trying to go to Target. You'd be getting for Target. White T's. White Tee.

White Tee. All right. He's on a white Tee way. Every single time. a couple, and I've only linked with him a couple. Every single time we hit Tajet on God. And then he's so like, he got like fixations. I feel like he'd be doing like the same shit. Like I'm the same way, bro. Like routines and show the brothers desires and shit too?

Yeah, his brother funny too, Brad, back cut as when he be remixing them old school songs, like that Portuguese love, he did a cover of. Jit is the light skin final boss. Jit funny is for, oh my God. But a lot of those dudes kind of like embrace. being underground rappers. But do you feel like you're in a different lane? Because I feel like you kind of make music

that you're trying to make it go big. I feel like, you know, it's crazy. Like, I feel like I'm blessed to be in a spot where like I got so much eyes on me that I could work with the whole underground damn nil because I really fought with the underground, bro. Like I'm real tapped in with like all the underground artists because one of my favorite rappers is Duwark King.

I used to get made fun of them for listening to his ad. Right now everybody makes music like him. It's like you underground, but you also transcendent the underground. It's like, I damn their skip that bit. And that's not saying that I'm bigger than anybody that's an underground artist, because I don't even feel that way.

I feel like, it's like, there's a difference between me and like a lot of underground artists that are solidified. And that's that solidification. But that's what I'm saying, like I had a moment. I gotta scratch that moment. Because the underground artists, they, that like, let's say like autumn, summers, got down, even like people

like, Rocket, Kio, other people, like, they got these cult fan bases that's, that's, they solidify a fan bases, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I gotta do. I'm just, I just had a moment. I gotta stretch that, you know, diddy. Leaving yourself off, who would you put on the Mount Rushmore or white rappers?

Oh, Kragers? Why gotta leave my, they always leave me off. Why gotta leave me off? All right, you put yourself on there, but I still want four other names. I include them Rugrats, but four other names. All right. Paul Wall.

That's a good one. Goddown. Jelly roll. Not so much a rapper these days. Yeah, nah, we got to take him off. Hold on. All right. All right.

All, M&L. Paul, Eminem. Free Jin Lee. Shout out, Jim Lee. I don't know. Gin Lee locked up right now, still? My brother just posted free him like a day or two. He might be locked down.

I didn't even. I don't know. But, no, I'm playing out. So I mean, um... Riff-Ref. Bro, low-key. Riff-Rap. I'm saying sideways with sweet

in the Chinese buffet. Oh, God. We were so turned up off Riff-Rap back in the day. Brough, like, bro, I damn near got a riff-rath flow on some songs, bray, if you pay attention, that shit be hard, brerriff-riff-Ref-Ref, gas. But, yeah, I put a riff-rap on that for real, and then I'll go, like...

I'll go, like... You got to Chris Sean. I don't know if you were... I'm just like shit. Living a white girl, one big, room full of average. Did you hear Six-nine? I mentioned you in the interview I did with him the other day?

Somebody told me about it, I didn't see it. He was just asking me, he kind of got like serious from me. He's like, what do you think about the Rugrat kid? Like, we were talking about, like, white rappers and Hispanic rappers and how hard it is to come up. People were trying to say, I remind him a six-nine. Probably just because I got my name, a number and it's tat-lum. I mean, he's a good conversationalist in particular too. I feel like you got that going for you.

That bitch funny is fun. Give me out four of just photo clip because I'm not there. Oh, yeah. The fourth person? Oh, yeah. Fourth person, bro. I could pick girls too. Taylor Swift.

Wait, he's the rapido. Billy Island. No, how long. Yeah, I was a rapper. Paul, Emineu, riffraff. And then one more. He said himself, but you on there too, but.

Fuck, what's cornyn? Damn. The, the, the, the, he looks slow, but he's not slow, bro. Blind Fury. And that nigg used to be hard. I think used to be hard. Matter of fact,

and at Andy Milanox on that bit. Damn. Hey, you tapped in though because Blanford. Wasn't he doing all the 106 in part freestyle?

Yeah. Blondon. I asked Chad GBT, and they gave me Post Malone, Machine Gear Kelly. Oh shit. I played Post Malone too.

He's a rapper too. I feel like Post Malone has like almost never wrapped. Even why Ivership was not really a rap. I agree. When people be trying to say that

like he like use hip hop. He always done pop music, bro. Yeah. He never like, He never been no overly gangster. Yeah, he might have had hip-hop elements in his music, but that's probably how he liked to make music back then.

He wasn't overly country back then. My machine gun, Kelly's one of the ones, too. You said Chad Javuzzi said? Yeah, he's Eric. I rock with Machine Gun. Ain't he go, like, pop now? He's doing a little bit of. Yeah, rock.

I'm fucking. I fuck with it, though. That shit hard. But he'll still pop out with, like, a rap single from time to time. They be doing it wrong. They be doing him wrong talking about Eminem, uh, dissim, now he wanted to, now he went to write. I mean, that is kind of what happened.

Even though, like, if you go back and listen to those songs, I swear to God, you listen to that the Eminem song and the M&M song back, it is very hard to argue that M&M song is better. I'm not going to lie. Sometimes there's like a really big internet bias on this is, bro. And both people be sliding and some people just like to put meat in their mouth and pick one over the other, like. I like Jack Harlow. Jack Harlow.

Jack Harlow. action bronzum action bronson how you feel about miller the kid ian y'all rock Ian hard yeah you are yeah yeah yeah what about you we was on ex-ex hell together yeeat bro yeak bro i was fucked up by yeet for a good like six months because if you go and like play one yeats song you could get stuck playing like 30 of them bitches

he gags is there like a thing where he need to start taking drugs again brad like So we tell him the kids stop the drugs, but we're telling Yeet to do the Yit, like, except shit, stop the drugs, but Yit. Take a little quarter piece of that X and make another one of them motherfuckers. He was, like, yeah. His new shit hardest, too, bro. Like, brad, they was really counting him out on some shit, like, like, saying that his old shit, the only hard shit, his new shit crazy.

Yeah, Sean, ever since he linked over the nigger, Zach, they wasn't feeling him. But then, he got his little motion back. Now, Yeet, one of the biggest hardest out. Yeah, that shit is sad about Maxing, bro. I ain't know who he was before him. Oh, yeah. See my hell, man.

That shit is sadden for. That shit was crazy. Just random stuff. And like, bro, mental up is mad important, bro. Like, if you got people that, even if you don't think

they're going through it, check on your people, bro. You feel me? Like, real facts. Your R. R.P. Maxing, man. You ever been f*** up in the head,

like, where you even thought about maybe taking your own life or anything? I don't, like, I don't, I wouldn't even, like, go into that.

But I'd say, like, like, everybody go through shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't know how deep and thought some people be in their head, you know, that shit, you feel me? Like, I had people in my life take their life. I had an uncle Brian who took his life, my, I had an auntie Vivian who took her own life.

I had kids in my school that took their own life. It was a jet named Simon. It was a little white jet. He had took his own life, but like nobody thought he was like, f***ed up in the head, no, nothing that, like, you feel me? So it's like, that shit's sad, bro. You don't got to know nobody, for the, you feel for shit like that and that shit, you gotta check on people, bro.

Yeah, no, for sure, you never know what nobody's going through. That shit called me off guard when I seen nothing about Max. Yeah, right. Because I think I just met, bro, at the LA game. Like, I don't- He was there. He was definitely playing. Yeah, Cud told me that I had, because my brother told me me and him, like, dabbed each other up at the game, but I didn't remember.

But I knew he was like, he looked at mad familiar when I'm seeing everything. I'm like, damn, bro. Like, he was just, young as fuck, hardest shit. Like, going up too. Oh, yeah, man. It's random, too, bro. Like, I can't believe that shit, man. Like, what the fuck?

So, are you thinking about the album at this point? Like, are you thinking about the splash you want to make with, like, a full-length project, or are you still focused on singles? I'm really, like, I'm still focused on singles, for real. Like, I'm, like, I got some shit in the tuck. I got, like, something with Chippy Red that I'm probably from coming with at the beginning of the year.

And then me and Kodak just cook some shit. That's like, bro, it's like that 2017 yet. Yeah. Like that shit crazy. Like, so you guys still maintain the relationship? Like, you pulled up on him in the studio or you did that song separately? It was that album release party he just did

for his album that just dropped. Which is a pretty good album, man. When that went on the first, and we just dropped the album too. We just dropped the album too. We just dropped the album on a run, too, by the way. 19 just dropped the album. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, right, right. Yeah, it's like a tape, but album, whatever the fuck. Like a mixtape. Their terminology be, whatever the fuck. A project. called Big Ad Kids. But, yeah, like, I got them... Oh, yeah, I got colorful Mullah on the cover

that shit, guys. Oh, shit, that's hard. I'm about to drop two singles, one with Ballout and one with La Flash, and I'm gonna add them onto the album. Oh, right, project, yeah. On some, like, deluxe, but not really deluxe shit. But he just, they got semi on there, Quavo. Yeah, yeah.

Quavo, where that comes? Kyle Rich. That's crazy. Bray put up on my birthday, brad. I had a birthday party at. I asked my publisher if I could throw it at his crib, because my publisher, that's Post Malone manager and Cuevo manager, you feel me?

So that's how that happened. Wait, who's it? Austin. Oh, okay. Right, cut, crib, soap, player, bro. Like, insane. So I asked him if I could throw my birthday up. And then I was already cool with Lo Shimmy

because we had linked at XXL. So he had called Lo Shemi and then he had called Quavo and then was pulled up. We was in a room like 30 deep. I had to redo my verse, because my engineer couldn't mix it because there's so much talking in the back. He's in a living room, like, biggest shit,

that shit did not sound good. That song's on the tape, though, every week. A big glass, yeah, every week, a big glass. Yeah, I ain't like, you got features with everybody then at this point, like, you know, it's just crazy. Yeah, like, I really, like, went to work with, like, everybody I wanted to work with.

Like, it's a bunch of people I still ain't get to that I want to, like, Lucky, V's, Cheek, Rallo, No Cap, me or No Cap be talking, but like, Like me and Cudge both be fried. Like we'd be chopping it up. We didn't ever cook no shit. Me and Nino was like that for like six months before we ever made nothing. Yeah, how much you feel that the double XL freshman cover cosine influence shit?

Like how much does it matter in this day and age? Well, I think that that shit became a meme. Like that shit ain't even about rap no more. I think L'Shimmy had the hardest freestyle with no beat and that shit did. That shit got grazed over. And like, you know, you know, feel me? Like, people don't even care for the hardest route. They just want to see the funniest shit or the shit.

shit that could get clipped or whatever the fuck you know what I'm saying like so like music kind of different now but it's still in a good spot I think music in a good spot I mean there's a lot of like valid uh people on the cover with you but then I mean then Jello ball I don't know man I felt a car yeah I'm sure it's a great guy but I don't know like to me that's like did he really put in the work to be yeah yeah that song I know that song was going crazy but that was like a good week Yeah, but that's the thing with double Excel, though, and you know, it's still very much important because it's still the culture. But it's always been like that. Like, if it's 10-11 artists on there, it's really one or two that becomes megastars.

True. And then the other ones kind of like make their career and then they have their moments, they don't. But it tests, it does pass the test of time. Every XXL, a double XL cover, have one or two artists that became a mega stars. So you're looking at the overall 11, but they really just picking and choose. and which, you know, two or three is going to be. And there's so few things in hip hop

that are able to, like, kind of be a stamp of approval. So even if it maybe has gone through some ups and downs, it's still like, at least there's something that can kind of like officially, you know, make it clear like, oh, this person has this stamp of approval by a big brand, you know, even if it is a little different than it used to be, it's still important to have institutions. Watch it eat fast, though, having a great career at 19.

I'm about to say that XXS shit, link me up with hello. artists I never cooked my. Yeah. I also was sitting there talking with Vanessa, I was like, why you ain't put Skrilla and Georgiana? Oh, God. And La Toney, bro. What was the answer?

And Vonoff. What was I? Scrilla would have been an easy fight. I mean, right here, we don't disclose that. But I agree. She's doing her little calculations. But that year, though, they definitely all those names you said should have been on there. Oh, God.

Scrip, brus. What? Six, seven. Six, seven. He got the oldest. This year, bruck. Come on. No, God.

I feel like they might have picked them. a Grammy. Oh, God, I don't think that had really correct. The South Bar episode? Six-seven is the word of the year, according to the dictionary. That is hard to wrap your head around.

He needs a Grammy, bro. He need a Grammy. Most viral song. He need a Grammy, bro. I don't care. If this girl don't get a Grammy, they're rigging that shit. We shot it in April and then came out

to, like, late, right? So this thing's already pre-recorded, pre-picked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was months after. I got some questions for you, though, before we get some. some shit going. How do you be feeling about, you know, the Y and W. Milly updates? I think they push the trial back to 2027. Yeah. He in good spirits. You talk to bro? Like,

you know, what's the update on that? Like right now, he just, so I thought, counsel to Drew Finlay. So, you know, he got one of, he got the, to really one of the best, if not the best lawyer. Yeah. And shout out to Drew. He's working on that dirt case, too. You know what I'm so. So he did, he definitely needed some more time because dirt trial was like way before So he and then Drew coming in and subsequent counsel We want to give him the time to learn to learn the whole case So you know we we all wanted that so pushing the back was more of a decision y'all made because he swapped counsel If he were to stay with the same counsel he could have probably went to trial but you know he wouldn't feel how we feel now

Which is a confident enough to are yeah yeah but he's in great spirit you know what I'm saying he's able to you know what I'm saying like understand things now and he's older he's 26 he's been in this situation for a lot more, you know, so it's not a new thing. So, and now with Drew, he won, I don't know if y'all seen, but he won a big motion. You know what I'm saying? That like, now, like a lot of the. Evidence. Text and calls and- What's drawn out.

Right. So we're about to see, like, how big of a change that does. And, you know, and honestly, even with Y&W. Bort, shout out to board. That's all about to ask you. How did you feel when you see Bortland plea up? I mean, like, with Portland pleading out, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't affect Mali at all. It didn't really doing.

anything but just Bortland decided like you know what I'm saying I'm not trying to waste more time with these people if they're going to give me this which is yo you know Bortland had two what two counts of murder like yeah with two counts of life yeah plus and they reduced it to what 10 years in it plus some time served maybe he do seven or eight so it's like you're already been serving how many right so he felt like yo you know I'm cool with that so that was a decision he made as a man and we you know what I'm saying we all we we're all rocking and supporting like that's family still but Mellie's in a great you know in great spirit and And recently, it's that other dude, I don't know who he is, you probably won't even know him, but it was some other nigger that was just, he went viral recently, his interrogation video.

Oh, yeah. Was he somebody that you was around? Like, was, or did you even know him? Um, so that's very, so that, it's a great. It's an old interrogation video, but it just, yeah, it just resurfaced. Yeah, so, yeah, he was around. Um, he was really one of the homies that came around when, you know, when Melly would go back to Gifford and, like, you know, grab their homies that come through. They shut the career for like a weekend or a week, you know, you know, so, yeah.

So, yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't really know them, but shit, at the end of the day, you know, you all seen it for yourself. Yeah, now we've seen it. It's just, it's a movie, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't know where half of those things came from. Yeah. In his head. Crazy. I bet when he got locked up seven years ago or six years ago or whatever that you didn't think that you'd still be dealing with this all these years later?

No. Remember I was saying, Matt will be home in two years. Yeah. And COVID did play a part of that. But then it's just like 19 says on God's timing. Like, when God's ready is. we're going to come home. But now this is the most confident and comfortable that we ever felt because of the council that we have.

Yeah. I mean, you have never shown even the slightest bit of doubt that he's coming home. So if we see him walk in this building one day, it's going to definitely, that's the first thing I'm going to tell him is like, yo, track never, ever gave up on you at all. No, for sure. And I never will. You know what I'm saying? Like, Malley's one of the ones that, like, in a fortunate situation happening, it's just, like, I've been saying this forever. Like, this is how the system is.

Fortunately, he got to prove his innocent, you know? Yeah. But, you know, we know, like, you know what I'm saying? This type of love and the relationship. I mean, Adam, you did the first interview where he was like, yo, damn, your homies on your face. Like, how that way. He was like, no, they're right there. He's like, oh, shit, okay.

Yo, that clip still is so spooky. What the fuck? Right. So it's like, to be honest, it's like, bro. I know the real, bro. We know the real, like, Melly love those guys. And it's unfortunate what happened. And, you know, so you can't just predict.

You know, God don't make mistakes. What he's dealing with, having to deal with his, you know, losing his friends, putting a pause in his career and seven years of just, like, unfortunate, like, you know, to the system. But, no, we hear. When he come home, right, he's going to go crazy. He's going to live his life. It's 26. Come home at 27.

You know what I'm saying? Even if it's 28, whatever. Like, bro, like, you have a whole lot of life ahead of you. Let me ask you this as an example. Because like, nowadays, we don't really get the executives like how we get, like, how you're coming and shit. Like, you got the CMG, oh Godi or the birdman cash money vibe going on. Like every time we see you, you know, you want to suit now.

You got, you know what I'm saying? Jury. You make sure the whole team is here. How do you feel about rap though in general? Because, you know, like they said, this is the first time that this hasn't been a rap song in the top 40 years and shit. So as an executive, how do you feel about that? And then where do you feel like rap is going?

or like what do you think needs to be done to be honest yeah it's it's in a very slow um space and but this happened before right so you know like and i think it happens in every genre it's just now i feel like um more more eyes is on like on hip hop because of like the talent level and i think less superstars are being made and more artists are being found which i feel like needs to get back like we need to figure out of balance where if we're finding us and breaking artists, we're making superstars instead of just like something. It's like in a win in a year or two, that artist don't even matter. Or the level of where they was at is damn near half gone instead of increasing.

And that, you know, like the Nikki Minaj, how the Cardi Bs, the Kodak's, the Chief Keys, the Loddurks, how all, you know, even like the NBA young boys, like how all of them grew. into like make into superstars but they're staying stars i feel like that's why like we're having this issue because you know artists is not striving to be great enough they're chasing the fast money and the checks and they're not doubling down on their career yeah no i feel like it didn't got worded down but it seemed like the roster of people you find yeah everybody got talent like for some reason you're not a pick him no yeah that one name we ain't say hot boy at gas sure shut out the hot like he's about to drop a tape to on top of the year coming.