No Jumper - 6ix9ine and Adam22 Reunite for an Epic Podcast After 8 Years of Beef!

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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All right, no jumper coolest podcast on the world, and we have traveled all the way to beautiful Miami to have the first conversation that I've had was 6'9 since 2017. Yes. How you feeling? I feel good. First of all, we're in Miami right now. As Steve will do it's home. As Steve will do its house. He's probably taking shit, but great guy.

Thank you for coming to Miami. No doubt. Miami's like, you're from LA, right? I'm from New Hampshire. New Hampshire. Where the fuck is that? Four hours from Bushwick. Oh, for real?

Oh, wait. Right outside Boston. Okay, okay. Yeah. But then I lived out there for like seven years, and that's one of our weird coincidences is that the exact area of Brooklyn that I lived in for like four years

is the exact area where you were working at the bodega. So I might have gone and bought an iced tea from you at some point. That's hilarious. I didn't make iced tea. I made smoothies. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, no, I feel good about this because even if we had our differences, you're the reason. Well, you're the reason, and I was telling this to my people before the interview, I said,

you're the reason, a pretty big reason of destiny that I got signed. Right, okay. So, you know, early on this interview, I want to address that that if you didn't, like deny me and well we can get into all that yeah yeah so but i i i almost feel like you're giving me too much credit with that because it's like at that point you already had so much momentum that like yeah you got signed by 10k or whatever but it's like you probably had like 10 other labels that were yeah but so that's the thing we we could dive into it now me coming to l.a was the sole purpose for the no jumper interview because you were you were the hottest thing

and interviewing all the underground rappers, which is XXX, X, X, X, who else was hot at that time? Like early on, you know, Little Peep, X, Suicide Boys. Suicide boys. You were doing all those, and I just wanted, like, one shot at that platform. Because I knew my, I knew my demographic. My demographic was underground, 6-9, Pimping, Shinigami, all that hentai. like, you know, like rage. Yeah.

It was rage. Which to people might almost sound confusing because they, a lot of people got familiar with you at like Gummo, at which point it's like, oh, he's a street rapper. Gangster rapper, Mainez. Yeah, it was just like, they forget this whole era. A lot of people that don't know 6'9, where's my camera, that one. Either way.

A lot of people who don't know 6'9, 6.9 was part of the rage movement. Yes. Rage movement means like metal, metal, mix, rap. So an example I could give is like XXXX, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, early stuff. But something that people want to understand right away is like, so 6-9 made that music. Yeah. And we met in New York. We got to tell the story of us meeting up, because there's a vlog out there that, like, you're not even really in the thumbnail, but the fans figured it out along the way. So, So it has like 3 million views or some shit.

But like, all right. So this is the memory is that there is a dude named Slosser who. Yo, shout out to Slosser. You know, he's, and I want to give this next 20 to 30 seconds to appreciate Slosser. Shout to Slosser. Slosser. The viral picture of you holding hands with him in the airport. Yeah.

For anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about. But I want to give. All right. I can start now because I really want people to appreciate this kid. This kid wasn't part of my day ones, you know what I mean? He was part of like a friend group that grew and like that became in love with the 6-9, right? So Slosser actually gave money to a no-money having 6-9 for us to fly to L.A.

So when you like dubbed our interview when you like didn't answer. Which I have no. No, yeah. I have no memory of this. I'm giving Slotcher's flowers real quick. I'm open to the possibility that that's true, but I do not remember that at all. Oh, okay. So Slosher, he will receive, I don't remember he wanted me to say this.

He would receive like checks every month because his dad was in the military as a veteran. Oh, okay. And any son of a veteran who will receive checks, he would get money for. Slosser, like, gave us money to, like, eat and stuff like that. While we went to L.A. with, like, the last $700 we had, because we shot a video in a Home Depot for some rapper. Famous Dex? No, it was another rapper.

It was a rapper from Brooklyn. We shot a video for him in a Home Depot parking lot, edited it real quick, charged him $750. And with those $750, we booked flights. to LA from Philadelphia on Spirit, hoping, because we were in communication about doing an interview, I was speaking to you through text, but you were like, one respond to me,

I'm like, yo, let me just take my shot and go. There's an opportunity to get a no-jumper interview. Well, we got to talk about when we first met. Yeah, but I was giving sloshier his flowers. Okay, so I went to New York for some totally unrelated shit, except I remember I was at Oz Cohen's. Oz Cohen's house, which is Lyra Cohen's house. Yeah, yeah, his son, right?

Yeah, so I'm at his son's house, like smoking weed and hanging out or whatever, talking about music. And so then Slosser had hit me up earlier in the day, wanted to hang out or whatever, because we had kind of been talking online. But you watched a Slossier music video. Yes. That made you want to... No, but the reason why I initially wanted to fuck with him

is because there was a picture of him in a hot tub with a bitch right here, and he was fingering her... I shot that video with all the... So, for everybody... And it was mad, lean to lean-up. It was real pint of lead. Oh, really?

Okay. So for all the people that don't know the context of what he's saying, Slosher, I used to be a videographer. Everyone knows this. 6-9 was a videographer before a rapper. Right. So I was shooting videos on my Canon 7D. Okay.

Slosser paid me to do a music video and I was the one to come up with the concept of the music video. The concept of the music video, the video treatment, everything, was on me. So I took them to a motel, you know, like them $40, four hours type of music video. So, um... That's how you got that image. Yeah, the video... That was my whore.

Yeah, that was my bitch. Like one of my bitches. Right. And so then... And shot... I don't want to say her name because, like, she's like degraded in this video. She probably got a husband now. Yeah, she probably got a husband. This was 2017.

We're in 2025, that was eight years ago. She's probably married with kids. And some guy definitely, like, you know how in the 20s, she's whoring out in the 30s? She's like, don't be that guy. There's somebody that's that guy. I'm opposed to that, though. I think you've got to be that guy. You got to turn into a housewife.

Yeah, yeah. I'm all for that. So he literally, okay, so I came up with a video treatment for him to be in the motel with all these lean. And shout out 16. I know you're going to clip this, put this on Instagram. 16 was part of my blow up, you know, and attributed with money. But anyway, low sir, short, he gave me all the pints. Okay.

Is that snitching? But you weren't drinking, Lee. No, no, that's like, that's not, it's empty pints. Oh, wait, wait, wait, okay, because I remember. I, do you remember I interviewed the rapper Dash? And he was talking about you. And Dash was like he was homeboy with six. Because there was a famous lien dealer who I have no idea if he's still a lean dealer, but he would say that you would come around and just be kind of lurking and just trying to pick up game and just hanging out even though you didn't drink lean, which does sound like the 6-9.

Yeah, I don't think I was trying to pick up game. I was literally 16 was my friend. Like we like to this day, he plays cold duty. His username is you got robbed. Yeah. So anyway, long story short, 16 is a great guy. A close friend of mine, he's the one who gave us to like all those pints. And they were real pints. Okay. But he's a great guy. He's not a drug dealer or anything. But he literally gives those points.

I filmed the music video with Slosh. It was in a motel room in a jacuzzi. So that's what you've seen. I filmed that. And so there's a picture of him, and I posted the picture on Twitter because it just looks so crazy at him with his fingers in the girl in the hot tub.

And then he actually got that image printed it on a tote bag. Yeah, and then it was walking around with a tote bag. And then sent it to me. I thought this was just like the funniest thing in the world that I had a tote bag now with this image on it. So then when I'm in New York, it hits me up. And I looked at my DM with him the other day.

And I actually said, I'm like, yo, I only got one night in town, but you got drugs and girls. And no drugs actually were done. But he met me outside of Oz Cohen's house. And it was him, some guy with like orange and green hair. And then two reasonably attractive Hispanic women. I brought them. Okay.

And I've always kind of like wondered about them. Wait, was I there? Yeah, yeah. You're the green and orange hair guy, yeah. But I didn't know what you were. Oh, fuck. I'm like, I'm trying to think who's this. I'm retar.

I had never heard of you. At the time, I think I remember you having like 20,000 Instagram followers, which this is like eight years ago or whatever. So it was like not nothing. But I'm like looking at your shit like once we start hanging out because like you start showing me and you had like actually like some pretty crazy music videos. And a lot of weird anime. Street Fighter type shit going on in the videos and stuff.

I think I showed you, Yo-Kai. Yeah, but I remember at the time that the song that you were pushing was, I only f*** with white bitches because they suck. Yeah, that was Slossher song. Oh, okay, but you were on it, right? Yeah, I was on it.

Yeah. And so I wasn't exactly amazed by the music, but the video, like, really stood out of like, oh, shit, like, this is a crazy video. I'd never seen anything like that. I shot it edited it. Yeah. And that was Slossier song.

So shout out to Slosser. So if we're just rambling, I just want to just give the people, my fans, like, a quick summary. So Slashar is a kid that I met, that he paid me to shoot music videos. I shot his music videos, which got Adam's attention. Adam then contacts Slosser to hang out. I tag along with Slosser because I'm like, yo, it's my work that he likes. And, you know, Slush is talented as shit. I think he just missed his train.

Like, missed his train is that he was into melodic music, but he knew, like, the, I only fucking white bitch is getting the attention. But he really is like a talented ass kid that makes, like, juice world music. Like, I still see the shadows in my room. Like, you know, like one of those musics. But anyway, Adam. Contact him. I tag along.

I tell Adam, look, this is all my work. And stop me if I'm wrong. This is my work. You should check me out, blah, blah. We exchanged numbers. And I feel like that's when I texted you and I said, hey, can I get an interview? But the crazy shit that happened that night, though, and I had never done anything like this at the time. And I have never done anything like this since.

But I think we got the same bitch that night. Bingo. So I like. So. I have great memory. These are facts, by the way. So he's drinking like crazy. Wait, was her name Fatima?

I have no idea. All right. But so he's drinking like crazy, but you didn't drink at the time. And so at some point we're back. You get shit-faced drunk. Yeah, oh, bad. So we're back in my hotel room, and he's so drunk that he's like in the bathroom, puking his guts out.

And so you're his friend. You're like attending to him kind of like making sure he's all right. But when that starts happening, all of a sudden, these girls kind of lock into place and they start, you know, we start hooking up. And so I have this like weird memory I hook it up with these chicks and kind of like glance it over and just seeing you just like

monitoring. You're like you're making sure your homie's okay but you're also kind of like peeking out to just like see what's going on out there. So I remember you first and then I was like You didn't get them there or in front of me you probably did later that night. Yeah later that night. But either way I always like wondered I'm like

so did six nine like recruit these chicks off the block because he knew that this was like a good moment for him to get locked in and get some cloud get some some some good points with me or whatever like i always kind of wondered about that that's hilarious because that's but it's smart that's what a smart rapper would do i'm gonna spend to give these girls a couple hundred bucks each and help my career out no nigger that's trafficking i think they were just like big fans of you gave you the pussy yeah no fucking uh not that's but that's smart like i would do that now like if you knew some like content created

that was hard up for you just bring them some girls you're going to jail yeah yeah yeah that's a good point but uh no but that's how that's all right so long story short after all this explaining i exchanged numbers with adam you were ballheaded at the time and um i literally was like i was literally like yo bro um give me an interview and we were talking i don't know if if if a week passed two weeks past a month or two months or even six months. But me and you came into a consensus where I said, yo, I'm going to go to L.A. on this day for the interview. And you were like, all right, go, cool.

And then I told Slash, yo, we got to go. But it's four of us. It's me, Andrew Green, who everybody knows, Tribe Drew, wrote all the songs with me from day one. My best friend. He's still around? Yeah, he's still around for him. He actually called.

I told him to come, but he's with his wife. Tribe Drew, William Asher, and Slalsher. We put the last money we had that we could afford to take a flight from Philadelphia and Spirit straight to L.A., and then we all stood. You know the size of this couch was the size of like our Airbnb. in Venice Beach. We all stood there. We used one time to eat.

So we will wait until we get as hungry that we can't, you know, possibly stand there anymore. And we would go down Venice Beach and eat at a burger spot that was like $5 burgers. I don't know if you know. I don't, but...

All right. That's a good technique when you're broke, yeah. So at Sunset Boulevard, we go to L.A. And then you just stop answering. Honestly, the more you say that, the more it starts to sound like something that really happened. But I just don't really like remember it like that.

But the more you say it, the more I'm like, damn, was I so like caught up in the moment that I just like. It was destined, right? If you would have answered, imagine shit would have went left. Like the reason that like I'm here, you know, with Steve will do it, the reason I have a protect on my hand, you know, jewelry on. I feel like you had, it was destined for you not to answer.

Because you're not answering. I know you don't want all the credit, but you're not answering, it forced Tripe Drew to come up with an alternative solution. I'm like, yo, we're in LA with nothing to do. So what would you end up doing? So Trife, Drew is on SoundCloud, who's like, yo, bro, this kid should be read a story.

fire, you should do a song with him. The polls video happened on that trip? Yes. Wow, that's crazy. And he's like, yo, he f***s with you, whatever, let's go to the studio. We end up going to Hitway. I contact him or he tells Trife. I forgot really how it went. If he's like, yo, I fuck

with Six-9. I contact him with like, yo, let's make a song. He's like, yo, I fuck with your shit. It's fire. We go to Hitway. Remember, I'm not I'm not enthusiastic about it. Like, about it like I'm not because I don't put them my like because I'm not into like you didn't with trippy the music oh okay I don't know trippy because you're doing because I feel like I was bigger I feel like I was I was like I was like doing shit that was more cooler

um so Treyf is like yo bro let's just do it we're here for no reason we spend all our money we might as well get something done and I'm like what I felt like I was bigger more talented shit like that you know what I mean like but my remember of that time is that like Trippy was definitely bigger. Like you getting on polls with him was actually the moment where I was like, oh, he's gonna blow up. I'm somebody that doesn't really follow that SoundCloud wave.

And people are gonna be like, but I wasn't musically in tune. I wasn't caught up. Try Drew, which I give him all the credit for. He was like musically in tune until this day. It's just like. Just a random memory too. I remember thinking that you were kind of shady in the beginning too,

because I'm watching your shit and there's some random black kid rapping on it but his name's not in the title and shit and I start to realize like, oh, that's this kid, Zillikami, but he's on the songs, but he's not in the title of the song because you had taken his name out of the song

because you guys fell out. And I remember just thinking like, that's weird. Like, and then I might have even had a conversation with Zillikami or whatever where he was like, yeah, I don't fuck with him. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to.

Okay, okay. We're going to get to that because that's a whole other can of worms that maybe, There's no jumper fans were gonna appreciate and they don't want it to be rushed. Yeah. So we're gonna go into that, like dissect it.

Let's do it. But you're not answering, Tri-Ju said, let's go with Tripi Redd. And I said, all right, bro, let's just do it. I was so, because I was so hyped about getting an interview with you. I'm like, yo, this is our moment to be like, you know, on the suicide boys. Remember, yo, you remember Puyah and Fat Nick?

Pooyan fat Nick were lit at that time That was one of the first big no jumpers Yes So Puyang Fat Nick Suicide Boys X was just coming up Who else Who else was hot at that time?

In terms of that whole scene shit It was just fat Nick and Puyang So anyway I was like banking on this interview And it was just It was just like One of those Have Your Hope So I get It's a killed moment. So anyway, I keep feeling worse the more that you like point us out by the way.

That's fine. Remember, I cleared it up. I said if it wasn't, I believe, if it wasn't for you just not answering the phone, I don't think I will have a protect going right now. I don't think I will be at Steve's house right now. I, remember, we don't know. We can just speculate and say, um, uh, uh, you know, like the what is, right? We don't know what's going to happen. But we, What I do know is that you're not answering. We went to do the shit with Tribby Red, and I met Elliot Grange, who is the son of Lucian Grange. I hate when I say that because I feel like Elliot did work for all the shit he's accomplished. He's made a lot of him, so over the last few years in particular, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's the whole. I feel like we touched all those topics of how we met, how 69 became 69 with you. not answering. But okay, so I have a memory too that, because I was looking at the dates. It's like, I meet you, and then we do the interview like four or five months later, and then gummo is like four or five months after that. So that's like pretty crazy to think all in the span of the year. I met you. You're like not really on much at that point. And then we do the, and the other reason why I knew it was going crazy is because the second, all right, so let me give people

timestamps. Okay. When I came and meet you and you dubbed it and I met Elliot, Yeah. The second time I come around, and this is another flower-s-slasher, you interviewed me when I came to do the song with Famous Dex. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. So the song with Jay Stash was already done? RIP.

RIP? Uh-uh. Why? He killed this girl in front of her kids. Some Chris Ben Washington. But listen. Yeah, so when I come do the song with Famous Dex, that's when you interview me.

Yeah. The fire circle on the ground. I don't talk facts? Like, bro, I'm like a memory book, bro. Yep. You're still in the guess. So I literally, that's when you interview me and I told Elliot, like, I know my worth.

I'm not going to sign of you because, like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm worth more than 50 grand. And just the next time I go fly back to New York, I'm like, I'm in need of money. I have no cell phone. I'm broke. My daughter's like, what I would say, like two years old at the time,

and I'm like, I don't have money for pamper's and shit like that. And I said, you know what, Alia, I'll take the 50K. But from you doving the first interview, I even met Elliot, because Trippie was signed already all those months. So the fifth month after you, you know, you dubbed the interview, I finally do the interview you, trip beside that whole time. But in between that, in between us meeting for the first time,

I remember I'm at, I'm at like some project apartment in Harlem with like a bunch of dipset dudes. And Hellrail and Duke the God are like, yo, show me some like new cool shit that you want. And I played polls. And like, I just remember Hellrail just sitting there just being like, man, like, what the fuck is? Like, it was just, I could see it in his eyes that he was like,

hip hop is over. Like this whole music game. is which, you know, from his perspective, I totally understand. But yeah. Anyway, we do the actual interview and I remember posting a photo with you and then like looking at your Instagram like the next day and your following had gone from like 30K to like 80K. Like you had blown past 69,000 followers in the course of 24 hours. Often me posting one photo with you and like the photo didn't have music on it. There wasn't like a link or anything. It was just like just a tag and like, I don't know, like some percentage of the fans, they just saw you and they were just like, that's the guy. Like, we're interested in it. I think at that time they was calling me a SoundCloud boss, you know. Oh, that was after. That was a great meme too. You little whopping trippy like this is the final boss of SoundCloud. Yeah.

But that was when you guys went and shot that video and Times Square after that. I think I said, yeah, I, oh, way. I got paid like another $300 for that. It was hilarious. And there was like a ream. with Uno on it? It was, no, no. The original is me Trippy and Uno. Yeah, yeah, okay. And then X, X, X, X, X did the remix because you liked the song so much. So, before, I don't think I ever said this

on any podcast, any interview, so I'm gonna say it now. I mean, I think I did touch on it. You brought up Hell Row. Oh, no. No, no, I'm not going to shit on Howl Row, but a lot of people don't know this. I went to the studio one time

with So Smula. Right? And Davies was there. So Somula wasn't so small I, like the character. He was still like a hoodlum from Harlem. He didn't have none of the tattoos on his face. His mom was the owner of a tattoo shop because they're Brazilian. And he just got out of jail.

He was like just a regular hood dude from Harlem. He brings me to the studio with Davies because him and Davies were like friends. Davies is in the studio. with mad, Crip niggas, like, you know what I mean? Like, just old heads, like, gang members just straight, like, not into that weirdo rap, like suicide boys, what they call weirdo shit. Davies has, like, two hot-ass bitches there, right? Hot, like, bitches I'm into, like, BBL, Dominican shit.

He's rapping, and his, like, oh, kick daughter open, cracking my sock. You know, like trash it. Like, you know what I mean? Like boom vap shit, but on like what he thinks is fire. So Davies at this time, 2015-2016, he's on the double-exel. So he's hot. Because remember, Davies made double-exel 2050. He's like industry hot.

Industry hot, like double-xel, complex. Davies had a Harlem, blah, blah, blah. So it's probably like 16 people in the studio in Quad. So, so Smula brings me, he's like, I have my camera, like, I'm lame and so, you know, dressed weird, colorful hair. So Davey puts me on the spot. He's like, yo, play some shit. Like, you rap, right? He's like, yeah, my son's fire.

He's hot, but, like, on some other shit. Like, he owns some new sound. Like, so Smulah's hyping me up. Like, yo, he on some new shit. So he's like, go ahead, get on the oaks. So I play, like, some metal rap, like, what I was rapping. I, you know what I mean? On some rap shit, everybody just started laughing.

Like the bitches I like started laughing. Really? Did that affect you at the time? Nika, I was hurt. But then, fast forward to 2018, gummo come out and all that Shazine Davis again. I'm like, remember y'allnics was laughing? What do you say? What you're going to say?

He didn't get in a party. Me, A. Bougie, was going to... Me and A. Boogie was going to meet Lala Anthony for like these kid events she does in New York. And Davies was online. Davies was online to get in. He couldn't get in. I was like, yo, you want to come in? He was like, yeah.

And I was like, nah. Oh, no. Yeah, because he laughed at me. Now he got a podcast with Jimmy and Fab. I should have tried. I've been meeting to watch it. You watched it? I watched a clip of them saying that the reason Jim Jones.

picked up Mel Matrix was because the jail didn't pick him up there you know have to get on the train you know that's bullshit right I don't know on or then over there you what like he said the guards that's so much bullshit but it's like people that want to hate me they're gonna be like forced to believe it because it's like if we don't believe it we're gonna have to take six nine side yeah and we hate six nine so let's just be like yo it's true it's true you ever seen when Mariah Lynn was screaming is like, my family. You seen that shit?

That's how haters of 6-9 would act. They're committed to it. Yeah, they have to commit. It's like, is that we commit or take inside? You know what I mean? So long story short, it's bullshit. When you get destined to halfway house, your family can pick you up and take you to the half.

You have 24 hours. Look this up. You have 24 hours to 72 hours to go to your halfway house. They give you a metro car. They give you a plane ticket. They ask you, do you have family? You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's bullshit. You know what I mean? It was just that there's no loyalty in that shit. You know what I mean? You didn't see that small-eyed chain he gifted him? I didn't actually see the chain, but... He was so embarrassed that he put that small-outed chain on him that he had to put his own chain on him.

But then after the video was done, he took his chain back. Oh, wait. So was this story looping around to Hellrail, or it was just dipset in general? No, I was talking about O'Heads, so I brought up Davies after I heard him. After I heard, however I heard. I mean, that is like, it's funny

because, you know, you were, like, in your path to try to make it. You, like, worked with a bunch of artists that, like, did not make any sense for you to be working with, like, the fact that you have a bodega Bams collab from that era. Like, all these different artists.

Shout out to Righteous P. That was all Righteous P moves. Righteous P felt that that was the right way to go. Oh, yeah. I mean, at that point in your career, you'll do whatever to try to get any kind of attention, right? Bro, I was so hungry, I was like, I'm gonna make it no matter what.

Imagine how much odds are against me. I'm Spanish, I'm not white or black, right? Suicide boys are what? White. Pooy on them, they can have Latin descent, but they were really considered white boys, right? Yeah, for sure. For sure, right?

We definitely thought of them as white. Yeah, I thought them as white. Bones was white as fuck. Yeah, that was that area. Remember bones? Bones was like long hair. Dard. Staring at the ground.

And if you weren't white, you were black, scheme ass, X, X, X, X, X. So imagine a Mexican kid that's delivering food, all odds against them, no money. Nika, I had it harder than all of those guys. Because I keep saying it,

and people want to ignore the facts. If you're not black, You're not allowed to rap. English, like people, like, little bad money, a little, l l l... Nigger. English, rap. Now, no interview has ever contested this in one.

I did Vlad twice, I did Danza, I did Trapler Ross, I did academics. Spanish people are not allowed to rap and not allowed to hip-hop. You were born in Bushrable. Brooklyn, right? I mean, New Hampshire, but you, right, Bushwick. How many Dominicans, Puerto Ricans,

Mexicans, Colombians, whatever, is born into poverty with hip-hop? They're right there. They're right there. But in terms of who people want to listen to? New York. It's kind of profound how few Hispanic people have really made it. It's a superstar status in the right game. It's hard. Yeah.

If we can name 100 black people, we could, for the next five minutes, just keep naming. But to come up with Spanish people, we could take 30 minutes. It's going to be hard. Now, people are like, but Fat Joe, nigga. Fat Joe was literally in 2002. It's embarrassing that we have to name a Spanish rapper from back in the day. Oh, no, but Cypress Hill. Name me one Cypress Hill song.

I can't. Jump around. All right. You're from L.A., right? Are they from L.A.? Yeah. Are they from L.A.? I think, yeah, everybody thought they were from Boston,

but I think they were from LA. Yeah. But either way, that's, that's, house of paint, dope, one son. Also, they're not Hispanic. I don't even know why we were talking about them. No, you're thinking of Cypress Hill. That's what I'm saying. Oh, wait, I thought you said House of Pain.

No, Cypress Hill. This is why you can't have you drink. Because I just see this. Cypress Hill, yeah, all right. Hits on the bong, temples of boom. I used to listen to a lot in, like, elementary school. But elementary school for you was... The 90s, mid-nights, yeah.

What, that's not embarrassing that you have to name shit from back in the day? No, yeah. I mean, even in L.A. Let's talk about... L.A. is, like, all Hispanic people, Mexican. Let's just... Very few have made it.

For five minutes, right? Let's name black rappers that are successful. Just all of them. All of them. All right, Waji. Blueface. Meek Mill. Freeway.

Offset. Cuevo. Take off. Cuevo praying with a blunt in his hand. Juice World. Mm. X. Ski mask.

We could literally do this for private minutes. That's embarrassing. Alright, now let's do Spanish artists. That Mexican OT and D-Bad me who you offended. No, no, no. I didn't offend because I'm Mexican, but listen, has Mexican OT, let's just speak facts, has Mexican OT meets mainstream or he has a Mexican fan base?

Yeah, not mainstream. Exactly. Has Cuevo had mainstream? Yeah. Has Offset, had Juice World, has X, has Rick Ross, right? Drake, right? Nikit Minaj, right?

Diddy, right? Were you conscious of this during your come-up? No, it's like how hard it was going to be? It's hard, bro. Let's go back to Spanish. Let's take 10 minutes right now. Go ahead. Little pump.

For sure. But you got to understand. I want people to know. LA is the center of the universe for Mexican rappers trying to make it. Let's not distract. Right? Let's just let's just let I want people to show how hard it is, right?

To be in hip hop as a Spanish artist. Yeah, yeah. Don't give me back. Give me a bad bunny English song. I don't, I don't listen to this. No. Bad Bunny is total foreign shit. It's foreign because why it's in Spanish but people's like, no, bad bunny.

Nika, bad bunny is not a rapper. Nika, he's a regga tone artist. What do you think the root of people? No, but let's, let's go. Referring to hear music from black people over Mexican people is. That's what I'm saying. But what do you think a real reason why is? I don't know.

But remember, if I go straight to racism, it's like, no, what the guy's trying to put a race card? So what is it? You don't think there's something about the soul of black people? What do you mean? I don't know. You think there's like something inherent to black people that makes, like stereotypically black people are good dancers. I think it makes sense to be like, maybe stereotypically black people are just better at music. They got that soul.

I mean, they say it. Black people love to get on Twitter and say, we got soul and white people don't. All right. They might have a point. No, it's not that, because look, look at Eminem, right? Right. Why is he so big?

Because white people go and attract to like, oh, I can't be black, but I could be an Eminem, right? Look at a G-Easy. Look at MGK. Look at Jack Harlow. We've never seen a white, we never seen a white pushishie. We never seen a white gangster. No, all right.

Your white pushaistee is Eminem. No, but he's not, none of the value proposition with Eminem is being tougher gangster. What about the new guy, the rug rat? If Pushishti tells, it's over. What about the rug rat? He's doing his thing. He's got a lot of potential. Poushisti could tell and people were sweep it under the rug.

Like the same way people sweep it on the rug. T.I. Gunna. T. Grizzly. Um, um. Um, young thug. Okay, but like, if push-shy-se gets his chain's hook and they pistol whip him, beat the dog's shit out of them, look at Shy Gleazy.

Shaglizzi gets beat up, he gets a chain taken one time. It's over. Because the whole thing was that him being super gangster. Shai Glezy came back, though. With what? What was that song about Shaglizzi he came back to? The white girl song, was that after? Nah, it was a Shack Lizzie song.

He came back after he got robbed him and... I'm just saying, like, if you're holding him, you. thing as being gangster as it's very hard to continue after that but no no white like like if m gk gets beat up who cares if g e z is beat up who cares they're not supposed to be tough guys so it don't matter black people have like a monopoly on gangster hip-hop content yeah but they all liver of Hispanic people yeah so what i was trying to you know say it's just like i had it harder than everybody else because i had something to prove you know what i mean no i feel it for sure but all right so we do that interview.

Yep. Four months later, Gummo comes out. What changes in that time period and how conscious was the decision of me uniting with these bloods is going to change my perception? Because I definitely think that you could have been a big rapper. You could have been a suicide boys level rapper, but for sure it felt like your association at that time kind of took it to a different level.

And shout out of suicide boys. Obviously, they're huge, you know? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So when we did the interview, right? XXX is huge at this time. Like, meaning in the underground era, he has to look at me, but it's like it wasn't moonlight yet. Yeah, because I interviewed him a year before you,

and it was blowing up, but it was... Remember, he was in jail for the shit. Yeah, that's what I was waiting for him to get out. So while everyone was waiting for him to get out, you know, shout out to Solomon Sounds, my boy. He was XXXX manager at the time. Solomon Sound's best friend was Chris Higotaur. So my mom was sick in the hospital, 2017 summertime.

And right before something like May, June or July, one of those three months. Everybody knows at this point I'm trying to do anything to make it, right? I know all odds are against me. My mom is sick in the hospital. I hit up Solomon Sounds on Instagram. Say, yo, look at me, bro. Give me a chance. I probably still have a message if you want facts, right?

I don't believe you. So I'm like, yo, bro, give me a chance. Give me a chance, bro, this to and the third. And he said, yo, come meet me at the Starbucks right now. I got the host team over there. So I'm in Bellevue Hospital with my mom. She's on a hospital bed. And I leave the Bellevue Hospital and I walk down First Avenue

all the way to the Starbucks all the way on Soho. So imagine for people that from New York, Bellevue Hospital is like my first avenue and just locate Bellevue Hospital, right? No, just locate Bellevue Hospital. I walk from Bellevue Hospital to a Starbucks that was all the way in Soho. Probably 40 blocks. 45 minute walk. 40 minute walk.

So I go, I'm sweating. I'm with me, Tribe Drew, and I believe Linda was a girl that we used for a car. but we didn't drive that day. And shout out to you, Linda. I go there, Solomon comes out for two seconds. He's like, yo, I'm mad busy right now, yo, just tell my boy all you need to know. Chris Higotor, his best friend comes out.

He said, like, give me your number, blah, blah, blah. So we end up signing a management deal with his best friend thinking that he's going to connect me with X, this, then, third. Chris Higator, best. best friend is Seiko Billy. So you see how everything starts aligning? Got it.

Okay. So every studio session that Chris Hegator will book, Seco Billy will be there. And then Seiko Billy that you interviewed is part of the Nine Trey Bloods and he was who introduced me the shot him. The first day we shot Gummo. Did you know any Bloods or any gang members at that point? But casually? Casually. In Sumner, in some of the projects where I'm from,

there was a lot of sex money murder. You know, there was a lot of Hercs. You know, bro. But remember the shit that I just did with Trappler-Ross? People don't understand that being in the gang doesn't make you tough, right? And I try to give shitty-ass analogies like, look at Charlie Kirk. The guy who killed him. He was standing on business.

He did it for whatever. did right and it's not like a distance chart of crime I'm just saying regular people like Luigi Mangione killing the and allegedly right but just say he was the one who killed the CEO of the health care being in the gang doesn't make you tough there's people who are not in a gang that stand on business you know we're all born into poverty we're all born into these minorities where you know everybody would wants to make it out people look at it about oh you join the blood the gang for an image niggin no when I met shoddy in them you know I seen the momentum right

but me saying oh no I'm gonna turn blood for success that that doesn't make sense a person that's from New York because we all grown up around Cripps Bloods and New York is crept bloods, dominated, right? There's neutral people who just stand on shit, you know what I mean? And I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but being in a gang don't make you tough. It just doesn't.

Would you say that you were naive to the risks associated with spending that much time or being that closely linked to gang members? What do you mean? Like, I mean, obviously so many bad things kind of like eventually stemmed from you being associated with the gang that wouldn't have happened You had just been like, you know what, I'm going to get full-time security and post up in the crib and not really.

You know, you being associated with that street element is what you got you in so many issues. So now let me explain to you. Me doing that, I wouldn't live that whole 2018 running because I'll be like, yo, you guys just come off a music video. I was actually living that. Like, all right, that's what we're doing. We're running down on niggas. I bet we're going to go test that nigger. I bet.

We're going to go rob that nigga. I bet we're going to go do this. I live that. Imagine me do the alternative thing. You get security, do this, do that, do what I would do this. I wouldn't be the six time that I am today. I went to jail for all that shit, thinking these guys were my brothers, you know, these guys were sleeping on rugs.

You know what I mean? These guys gonna have shit. Like if we're being honest, male murder, right? Being the godfather of non-tray was living with his baby moms on Marcus Garvey and Gates. But these are facts people going to ignore because they're like, oh, shit. That's act like we didn't hear that. But I mean, to normal people are like to me, it's not a surprise at all if you were to tell me like all these gangster dudes from all these gangs in LA that go viral talking about shit, talk about street politics on Instagram, whatever,

like vast majority of them don't have any money. This is not that many ways to make money as a street dude. You're not going to be a crack kingpin. You're not really running a prostitution ring that you're making crazy amounts of money off like, you know. But what you are going to get yourself into is a lot of bullshit because these are the types of dudes who are sleeping on drugs. So when you come out saying like, yeah, these are some dirty bloods, we were all shocked, but also most people who've been around New York knew that. But I said that at the end.

Yeah, yeah. I didn't say that like when I was with him. I said that at the end when I was just seen how disloy they were. Because remember, at that time, the feds already picked me up and we're like, yo, we offer your protection. Everybody knows it's public. they're going to skip that part that I denied the protection. But they didn't tell you like we have a bunch of shit on you.

They can't. Okay. They can't. They told my lawyer because I went with Lance Lazaro and they told them, listen, we're investigating your client. But we can't discuss like in detail what, but he's being investigated. And we have every right to believe his life is in detail. danger, does he want the protection or not? And I was like, not. Like, I don't want it.

And for me, denying the protection, they took us all down November 18th because they intercepted the wiretaps. Right. Like, Jim Jones shot AML. So do you believe that Jim Jones is working with the feds and that's why he never got in trouble for those phone calls? I mean, think those phone calls are just not incriminating enough? You could sit there and be it naive, right? If you're like, yo, homie got to get violated, man. You know what I mean? Everybody get arrested. And they use those wiretaps in the trial. Yeah. So if you're using wiretaps that were in the trial

to convict non-Trey members, why are you not arrested with us? You're non-Trey. All you rep is pulling with the bees and all this and non-Trey, and you rep all of that. People that don't like me, gonna be like, nigga, what? It's clear as day. You're on a wiretap, everyone gets arrested,

But you? Like, what, you just want to be stupid and not be like, oh, shit. You right? But remember, people are fighting, like, if we agree with him, he's right. But if we disagree with him, but, no, but, no, but, but, no, but, no, but, no, but, no, but, you know, you're just fighting it. It's clear as day. I mean, I've had a lot of other people, like, WAC, suggest that. that he doesn't see why Jim was never facing charges.

Do you know John Gotti? I'm aware of him. John Gotti had a wiretap to kill Sammy the Bull. Right. John Gotti and the person he was on the phone with to kill Sammy the Bull were indicted because of that wiretap. Yeah. Saying super violate him,

it feels like it would be hard to make the case that that means kill him in court though, right? All right. So why the Shottie and Mel get arrested for that? I mean, they have a bunch of other shit on them. They were being investigated since 2013. Who was Jim Jones enforcers since 2009, 8? Right.

Who? Mel? Yeah. Like, am I making this up? Like, are you just guessing names? So my thing is, if you've been a non-trade member since 2009, I don't meet these non-trade members until 2000. late 2017, why are you interested?

Yeah. It's, bro, I'm just saying in facts. Like, I don't know how, you have to not want to believe the truth. Like, if your mom is trying to tell you, yo, Santa's not real, Santa Claus is not real, and you're just so in denial that you don't want to hear it, you're just going to make up every excuse is no point. You know what I mean? So I never planned on even saying this on camera, but when I was in New York most recently, I went to the Bronx and filmed this vlog with like a bunch of blue

Ludd's shooting a music video up in the Bronx, right? Everybody got the red rags on. It's like gummo part two. And the next day, Jim Jones has, like, some random dudes, like, waiting outside my hotel and shit. And one of them, like, came over and took a picture with me, acting like a fan. But, like, everybody I was with peeped the energy that, like, we could tell that this wasn't that.

And then, like, I don't know. Like, they didn't do anything, but it was, like, Jim Jones still being on his, like, weird intimidation program or trying to... He really wanted to let me know, like, you can't come out here and hang out with a bunch of bloods in the Bronx without, like, getting permission from me. Because I had been trying to interview him on that trip, but it was right after the Rolling 60s RICO. So even though it don't make any sense, he's like, oh, like, no Jumbers of the Feds. No Jumbers of the Feds because Brick Baby got caught up on this RICO, even though he didn't get charged for anything that has to do with no Jumper. Yeah, but you did it, right?

Did what? Like, you filmed with the Bloods? Yeah, we went and did the whole video. It was whatever. It was fine. all good vibes, everybody was cool. So what message did he send you? He didn't message me, but he was talking to somebody that I was with,

acting crazy as fucking, just acting like he was going to get me hurt or whatever. And these dudes are waiting outside my hotel. Yo, can you Google real quick, Don? How old is Jim Jones? He's probably a solid 50, right? I've seen a meme today. But that's not embarrassing? Like, you're 50, 49, 50.

Let's take a guess, take guess. Take guess. What we got the closest number? I was like 50. I'm gonna say 50 on the dot. Mafie says 49. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say 40, I'm gonna say 48. 49.

Which, for the record, legend. One of my favorite rappers from when I was young. But, I don't know, I felt like a lot of stuff in the light looks a little silly coming from him. Yeah, you're 49 years old talking about blood shit, like, you know what I mean? Like, at the end of the day, bro, you have white hairs on your f***ing hair. on your bed. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just embarrassing, you know what I mean?

But you think there's a time limit on that shit or like a time where you should just kind of pivot out of that, become a different person? I don't know. What would you do? I would hope that I would be a little bit, you know, more aligned with where my age was at. That's your answer, bro.

Like, he's 49 gang gang banging. Academics is my boy. They tell academics all the time niggas start a family. Like, if academics, You gotta start a family at 30, niggas, stop gang banging at 50, you know what I mean?

But do you think that about yourself? Like, there's gonna be a timer where you gotta just put a suit on? Yeah, of course. Well, you know, dress your age, you know what I mean? You can still do all the shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, party hard,

but do it in a suit, nigga. Like, you know what I mean? Dress your age. I mean, we would think of Charlie Kirk differently. He's 40. If Charlie Kirk was wearing a hoodie and cut off jeans shorts, nobody would be as likely to have taken them seriously as an intellectual or as a political figure, you know?

Like, you're really telling the world something about yourself by rocking the suit, even though for me, it sounds hard. I'd rather wish some sweats. You know what hurt Jim Jones ego? That's versus with, with, with, with, with, with, with, Debsette versus the Loss. When Jett case got on the mic and said, none of it. These niggas live in Miami. These niggas live in Miami. I'm on the block.

Ever since that versus and look it up, Jim Jones moved back to New York and started out. I'm on the block like now. Like, you know what I mean? That versus, what's the name? Jidekis exposed these niggas. Like, these niggas live in Miami. Like, I'm on a block still.

Like, you know what I mean? Which at the end of the day, it's $2,000, 25. That happened 2020, 2021. You know what I mean? These niggas is old. bro, like, why are we even like... Nah, definitely. You know?

But so, okay, like, me and you had another weird encounter. At one point on Melrose, you were in like the store next to my store on Melrose. It was like a sticker store, no? Yeah. And I just kind of like walk in and randomly see you. And I don't remember exactly what time this was, but I feel like this was like right after Trippy started going at you about the charges that he had just found out about. No, he didn't just find out about.

He always knew about that. Okay. But he had just recently made this his campaign, and so you're Mr. canceled that week or whatever. And I remember seeing you and shaking your hand saying, what up, but it was like, you know,

you're smart. You're looking at me in the eye and you can tell that that's what I'm thinking about. And so, you know, I kept it short. I was like, yo, how are you doing? It's good to see you, bro, rah. But then I kept it moving. And I felt like me and you never had a conversation after that

because you immediately looked at me as like, all right, like, he's not going to hold me down while I'm going through this shit. He's not going to like really... I might have said hi to you, but I'm not being 100% cool to you, and you were just immediately like, I'm never fucking with him again.

So then after that, you blow up and you were like, you know what? Like, I don't need to be cool with anybody that, like, halfway f***ed with me on my way into the game. Yeah, I'm very... I'm very... Loyalty focused.

Yeah, but I'm... Like, I'm very observant. Like, you know what I mean? And, um, I'm very observant. see what Tribi was doing. Me and Tribi was cool. So I think what Trippi... What happened with Trippi is just clear as day.

He introduces me to his label owner, right? Because the label owner requests it, which is Elliot. I go do the meeting with Elliot. Elliot signs me. Well, you know, offered me the deal somewhat around, you know, that time. Seven months, eight months later, when I take the deal, he's like, yo, this kid is growing fastest. faster than me.

I need something to... Because remember, this is 2017. Those charges with the minor was 2015. He grabbed onto that, said, I need to throw as much dirt on his name. He's already signed to Elliot, like my label owner. I need to create some type of controversy

or say something so, you know, to get him drop from the label. Stop your momentum. Stop his momentum. Everything. you know, like, I'm cool. Me and Triub, we never had an argument. So there was no personal beef that led to him saying that.

So, 2017 was when I signed to Elliott. Those charges were in 2015. Right. He always knew about it. Because at this time, I'm no longer with Zillikami. He's saying Zalikami send it to him. It was just like, I don't know how to control this anymore. I need to stop him in some way, somehow.

I'll see if people stop with them. And Tripit goes on that campaign of like, yo, this kid is a pedophile. I need the world to know. And I made a video, you know, in the car. I'm like, yo, why are you doing that? We never had an argument. And I clear it up.

And I said with academics at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah. I explained the whole situation. And people were like, oh, they looked into it. They were like, okay, why is he dying in jail? If there was a girl that was raped or if there was a girl that was, you know, taking advantage of why?

he not in jail. He doesn't have at that time 2015 I have no money. That was even before I met you. That was Bodega Bama times Shinnakami. But even during that whole time period when I knew you weren't with me, I felt like people were being like pretty disingenuine about how they talked about that situation because people are really getting on podcasts and being like six nines a pedophile. I'm like if you read what he was accused of he like hopped in a music video with a girl and then basically figured out she was underage when the cops showed up at your door because you were the one who uploaded it. But you made a good point, which you kind of reiterated like a hundred times to Vlad, which

was basically like, why would I upload it if I knew that? And then people were like, well, you'll upload it and whatever, right? But the judge, so you're saying Instagram commenters and like YouTube lawyers and like internet lawyers, right, are smarter than a judge. judge, a state judge, a state judge before he, you know, he or she lays down a sentence, they dissect fact, you know, there's mitigating factors that come into play. There's sentencing submissions, right, from the prosecutors and thing. A judge is not going to say, hey, you know what, there was a child involved.

Take probation. No judge is going to do that. A judge sees the facts, sees everything submitted, sees what these Instagram lawyers and YouTube lawyer commenters and they're like, no, but they're like, oh my God, you know what I mean? It's just like, yo, bro, these are the facts. Why are you so mad at it? I know in their heads, they're like, I hate them so much. I want to believe my own truth. But just look at the sentence in minutes.

Look at the judge. The judge is like. You didn't get any jail time and you got. No jail time. long was the probation? No, I got dismissed right there because I was sentenced October 29th or 27th to 2018 and when I caught my RICO case November 18th of 2018, that canceled out because I caught the RICO case. But the probation was probably like, if I'm not mistaken, what, two years? Yeah. So, okay, we got to rewind a little bit. What, like, why did you fall out with Zillikami? I want

to know your version of that. Especially given that his career has had some weird twist and turns over the last year. Yeah, and shout out to Righteous Pete because, but is, it's, it's so ironic that they try to push this pedophile story and then he gets caught with a minor. And he's like, M.M. I'm, like, I feel like, yeah, after the whole minor shit. You know what I mean? But that's, that's not ironic. And shout out to Righteous Pete. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I guess, I think me and Righteous P are cool now from my. my understanding and feelings, right? Me and Rechispee talking. But touching this topic, I don't know.

I don't want to disrespect them, but you see how just God works. And knowing Righteous P, he's an energy guy. I'm like, no, he ain't God. But Righteous P is a great person apart from, you know, the difference I had with his little brother. If people don't know, Righteous P is the guy who found me and made me,

and made me a rapper and discovered 6-9 working at a bodega. But righteous P. little brother, actual little brother, same mom, same dad as Zalakami. So Zalakami called me a pedophile, tries to get trippy to turn on me, feeding him this information. But you fell out way before that because you had already taken his... I felt out of his... Zillacami because you had already taken his name out of your videos when I met you. 2016, 2016, 2015.

16, I would say. So Zillacami wasn't part of skum gang. We started scum gang, I would say, 2014. What was scum stand for again? Society can't understand me. There you go.

I got it as my first tattoo. I always like that, honestly. Yeah. So Me and Righteous Bee discovers me in this bodega 2012, 2011, I would say, says you start rapping, blah, blah.

We attempt this rap and shit 2013, 2014 during hot nigger. You know what I mean? Like Bobby Shmurda in the Fettywap era. So we tried this rap shit. 2014, I would say, 2015, 2016. Three years we're trying this rap shit where like, yo, let's try it, let's try it.

I guess he gets tired of like, yo, this shit's not going anywhere. You caught this case. You know, I linked it with So Smula. It's not going. anywhere let's try putting my brother in his brother was probably 16 17 at the time 2016 and I can see like they're trying to replace me with so smula and Zellikami you know I'm not stupid like we just spoke well I'm very observant so I see that they're trying to replace

me and one day they're like yo you're not doing what we're telling you to do, they changed my password to my Instagram. And when they changed the password to my Instagram, like, that was the last straw for me because I was like, yo, well, you guys trying to delete me? Like, you know what I mean? And if I'm not mistaken, they was like, nigger, we made you, we could delete you. I'm like, no, you cannot. I was right on the email with Instagram.

I'm like, nigger, this is me. This is my passport, nigger. You know how they make you hold up your ID and you're like this? Yeah, yeah. That was me. Nah, definitely. Yeah, and then I got my Instagram back and all like, fuck Zalikami, these things is.

Okay. And that's what I felt, you know what I mean? At that time, and I'm just like, and then, you know, fast word, 2017, I meet Trippy. They see that, like, oh, my God, he's signed to the same label. It's Trippie Red with this L.E.A.

Grange guy. They start going hard. They start going telling Trippie, yo, you know, this guy's a pedophile, and Trippi's like, you know what? Yeah, he's growing up. too fast, he's a pedophile, and that's how it happened. It's crazy because you look at that scene at that time, like, so much good music.

Could it came from you, Zilla, Trippy, et cetera, staying on good terms, you know, like, if you guys had been like the way that, like, at a certain point, future and thug and the amigos were and shit, where they're just going back and forth, doing verses for each other, I mean, that would have been like a kind of golden era for that era of music, and instead it kind of like felt like it just sort of fizzled out at a certain point. Yep. Like I said, I don't think I would have blew up with that underground shit. You know what I mean?

And I'm going to tell you why. Look how long trip. Trippy. Don't mind that. Zillikami and Sos Mula been rapping since 2016, 15, 15, 16. They just blew up, what do you say, 20, 22? Something like that, yeah. Remember they had the world star shit and, you know, all their success in the underground.

Because people looked at him more like a new X, X, X, X. Kind of. But how? People were, like, looking for X's replacement for all these years. Like, that whole rage sound just kind of disappeared. And for people that don't know this, yo, my God, damn. This is something nobody knows, and I'm exposing here. You remember the Zillikami?

famous bazooka picture that the first person to ever do it was Rondo No, it was Rondo number nine. No, it was Rondo number nine, you remember? Then it didn't it belong to Slausher? Yeah, yeah. So shout out to Slosher. So... Because, all right, the crazy thing is that in that vlog that we did, Slauther says something about having a rocket launcher and then he told me that the cops went to his house. No, the feds broke down his

door. Like a couple days after that vlog came out, which you keep in mind at the time, I'm a YouTuber from L.A. I'm not thinking that New York cops are watching what I got going on. Like, that blew my mind. But it wasn't a rocket launch, right? It was the rocket launcher practice. Because the same thing with Rondo. Like, he had like the training missile launcher thing.

I don't. No. It wasn't the real deal. I don't believe it. Oh, okay. But that's crazy. But they stole that from sloshing. Yeah.

But would you say that at that time you were more of a fan of the drill music and shit than the underground sound? Yeah. Because when you said put a hole in his head of a dolphin, that's a L.A. Capone lyric. Yeah, that wasn't L.A. Capone. That a lot of people from that era kind of recycled that. But, like, it always stood out to me as like, oh, he's probably more of a fan of the street shit. So that was probably more of a natural thing.

I was a big fan of Rondon. Everybody knows this. You know what I mean? These bitches and they hang with me. You know, a song is old, but if you play it, I know every word to it. You know what I'm a big fan of me by Ron. I'm a big fan of Play for Keeps with L.A. Capone and Rondo. You know, Rondo No. 9 was like, if it wasn't A-Sap Rocky

and Rondo No. 9 were like my influences to be a rapper. Rocky, huh? How do you feel about how his career has fared? No, I mean, the thing he's good, he's has babies or Rihanna. But when you look at his musical career and the fact that he... Yeah, he looked, we made him sound like a baby mama. Well, I mean, it's true. Like you are like, say you made $10 million off crypto,

but your rap career completely falls off. We could all look at it and be like, shit, he's killing it in one way. But like, ultimately we all, that's not you. But I'm just saying like we all judge each other based off like music, ultimately because that's kind of how we all know each other, right? Like if you make $100 million off your girl, it's like, shit. Yeah, you win.

But also like everybody in the rap game is always going to be like, you know, he didn't. make it as a rapper, so we're going to look at him a certain way. I don't know. I mean, I was a huge Rocky fan, and I see him trying to, like, float singles. He keeps trying to float singles and they don't take off, so then he won't put an album out. So now he hasn't put the album out for, like, eight years. And, bro, I understand it. But listen, I'm a big-ass-rocky fan, A-Sab Rocky. I'm a big-ass out. Like, you know what I mean? Like, bro, this kid influenced my whole career, like, from What's Up to Angels. If I'm not mistaken, sorry, it's

2012, 2011. Yeah. Angels, what's up? I'll be that pretty. Ian Dior, remember Ian Dior? Shabba, rank, shut, shah, shab rank.

So that's Aesat Ferd. Yeah, but Ian Dior was in it with Aesat Rocky. Was he? Yeah. Work, work remix. Like, yo, bro, that was like my, like, inspiration, like, what put the battery in my back to be, like,

motivated, like, you, I got to make it. But you were spending a lot of time in Harlem and shit around then too? No, fuck no. No. No. Okay. I don't even think Aesab is from Harlem. He's not?

He's from the South Bronx, right? For real? I'm not mistaken, yeah. Oh, shit, that's crazy. I think Aesafirg was from thing in ASEIB's, which were Harlem natives and, you know. Remember, bro, they were so ill with the shit. Remember, Ghost Purp? Ghost Purp, they took his whole shit.

Space Ghostsperp. What was it called, Black Clan or some shit like that? Raider Clan. Raider Clan, bro. They took their whole shit. You were born a few years earlier. you could have been a Raider Clan. For real?

What age is that? Shit, I don't know. But when I was hanging out with like Xavier Wolf and Bones and then that was like they were fresh off leaving Raider Clan to start their own thing in like 2016, you know? Like there was this moment where that shit

looked like it was gonna be huge. But then it actually fell apart because Purt had like a journalist following like a writer from the fader and they said something he didn't like so he punched him in the face. Who did that? Perp.

Space Goes Perk. Oh, okay. And then that f***ed up like. Like that create a lot of tension. There's a crazy story about Aesab and Raider Klan, like, fighting at a festival and shit. Yeah, because I'm not going to lie. Aesab Rocky is like was my idol, like, before my come up. And, you know, it was all these YouTube videos how Aesab Rocky ran off with Space Coast Perp.

Space Goes Perp? Yeah. Am I saying it right? Yeah. And kind of blackballed him a little bit. So ran with his shit, blackballed him. but then everybody was stealing three six mafia's

sound so bro like I'm so in tune with this shit like like you know what I mean I was just a fan of just the whole movement and then A-Side Rocky got mainstreamed after all a Shane is like I like bad bitch I'm my fucking bro when he came out with that bro I was just like yeah this is my idol

which is crazy because and then I met him during AASB EM's day and we stabbed like three security guns way for real yeah I don't know what stabbing is going on that was a crazy moment Because everybody blamed you as if like 6-9 has no respect for A's abeams. Yeah, it was my fault. Yeah.

Yeah, we stabbed like three security guards. A-Sat B'R. So nobody knew who Shadi was at this time. A-Sat Bari punches Shadi in the face because he's like, yo, nigga, you're trying to get in the fucking thing. Bro, when I say Har, Belliato, everybody, niggas was cracking. You remember the video? They was cracking two-by-fours over the five. A.S.Barr said.

That was the time period where it felt like the 6-9 lore couldn't possibly get any crazier, like every day or every week that went by. And then that was one of the things that was like, it's not going to stop. Like, they're going crazy, bro. I met A-Sat Rocky that day. Really? And imagine, I'm gummo 6-9 meeting my idol from six years, 2012, 2011. Yeah.

So when I looked at him, I got star-struck. So you're like, yo, what's up? And then Lil Yaddy's like right here, like, little Yaddy's introducing it. I'm like, Like, you know what I mean? Like, I was just like Starstrike. Hey, but shout out the little Yadi. Shout out of the time period.

Would you say you were being like fully big headed and like just not? No, I was like, nigga, you're my idol. I said that to him. I said, nigga, you're my idol. You're the reason I started rapping. No, it ain't. You didn't care? No.

I think it was a fact. I think he was already f***ing Rihanna at that point. That's crazy though because, I mean, somebody like him like, he, musically, he was already pretty cold at that point. Nika, I'm six-nine at this point, but it's like, at that time, I'm like, yo, like, A-Sab Rocky was like, like, like, that nigga to me. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's super established by that point. Yeah.

But, um, okay, so I guess, like, I want to jump ahead a bunch because, like, obviously, you've kind of discussed and covered the fuck out of the whole, uh, the Fed case and the going to prison and everything like that. When you're locked up actually during that time period, are you, like, aware at all of what the public conversation is about you? Because I look at you as somebody who was, like, so aware of what was being said about him in the media and shit. And it must have been kind of weird for you to all of a sudden be locked up and to not have access to the fact that, like, you're the most talked about person in rap. But then meanwhile, you can't really see it. Or was that the last thing on your mind? That was last thing on my mind. Okay.

I just like, yo, how am I get out of this 47 years shit? Is that if I take my time and then have to like survive 15 years in prison? Because look, your mandatory minimum, right? People like, these are Instagram lawyers that know more than the person in the system. YouTube lawyers like, I can't. And it's so much worse now than it was then in terms of everybody just understanding everything. I had a shooting, right? Because I ordered the chief keef shooting.

I ordered the robbery for Rapal. I ordered these. I was the shot caller, right? And then I had a drug sale that was a f***a of heroin. So I pleaded guilty to that shit, but you have to plead guilty out of a B-1A and all the feds, people who did Fed time, these kids that are on Instagram all day, you know what I mean?

A B1A is the mandatory minimum of 10 years, right? Your guidelines sell you like your crime history, right? You do blah, blah, blah, this, that. Is that I pleaded guilty to the 10 years? They give me five for the drugs and 10 years, which is a 924C, a discharge. So it's 10 plus 5, 15 years mandatory minimum. So I said, I have a decision whether I'm like, yo, not to cooperate after the wiretaps are half-kinaping after the, you know, I don't know if I could say this, but I said it before. Intel, like the New York City Police Task Force, Chad, like confirming the Shottian Saras shit.

I was like, yo, is that I keep being loyal to guys who weren't loyal to me or be stupid and be like, you know what, I'm, I got to take this on some gangster shit, just do the time and get stabbed in prison, like, some Tory Lane shit, you know what I mean? I mean, honestly, like, it does seem kind of crazy that everybody was so eager to put the... What's up, brother? What's up, brother? All right, brother. Just whenever you want to come, you could join in. This is Steve. What up, Steve?

He's downstairs. He's like, yo, he's watching the game right now. Well, Steve, yo, Steve's on the phone. He has $170,000 on the Dodgers. It's game 7 right now as we're interviewing. They are losing right now? 3-1. Oh, shit.

So, yeah, I mean, like, looking back on it, it does seem kind of insane that, like, especially just giving how much the, like, the hip-hop community's, like, mentality on snitching seems like it's kind of evolved. That the whole industry, just united to put you in the snitch box. And I'm talking all the way from the underground to the corporate side of things.

Yeah, say, what's up to act? Hello, Act. Just call me. Yo, Act, I'm doing a no jumper podcast right now. You have a good interview? Yeah, we have a good one. We're telling him, I'm telling him he's the reason I got signed at Elliot. He said he won all the credit.

80. You know, he's hyping himself? Yeah, I'm going to hit you back. Yeah, I mean, the Apple Music's and the Spotify's of the world. Everybody was a gangster all of a sudden. Myself included, I was a super gangster. It's not that everybody was a gangster. I feel like everybody was like, how do we control something we can't control?

Not only a 6-9 polarizing, not only the 6-9 has hits, nobody can control his mouth. So whatever is facts and true, like when I expose Billboard, they're like, yo, we have to get him out of the game somehow. We already didn't like Six-Nine before he'd snitched or whatever. Six-nine was never invited to a rolling out being the biggest artist in the world. Am I right or wrong? Yeah, I feel like they were in bed with so many artists who were anti-6-9 that they basically were like, it's not worth it.

So Six-9 was already hated before snitching. but but so many people were coming around it was controversial by the time you do it sound when young thugged nobody cared it was not that controversial by that point no six nine was so polarizing and so like uncensored and six nine

is like he does whatever he wants to do says whatever he wants to say nobody can control his mouth nobody can control his content not only in top of how polarizing and domination that 6-9 is, on top of that, he's funny as fuck.

So when you get a charismatic, you know, phenomenon, I would say, is like, we need to cancel this guy some way somehow. You grab all the execs, all the superpowers, what you call the Illuminati in this music industry, the Carl Cherries, the Larry Jackson's, the E-bros that are head of Apple, for people don't know,

head of Spotify, head of Billboard, Nielsen. You know, for people to know, Nielsen is the people that accumulate the numbers for Billboard. Head of radio, right? To Blackball, somebody we can't control. Because T.I. has a whole video on YouTube snitching. Young Thugs video, him being interrogated from 2015.

Gunna has crime stoppers before. Oh, okay. Arama, let's get it. So all these rappers, their favorite rappers have snitching, you know, allegations, videos, what they call little somethings, and, you know, they have all this shit out already. They ignore it. But once it's six-nine, somebody that we can't control, somebody that we don't like, somebody that we need an excuse to cancel, does it?

it's like everybody needs to be on one on the same page you know it reminds me of uh after january 6 trump like very similar to you you know he kind of like represents so many things that the establishment in washington hates all the democrats obviously opposed to them even a lot of the republicans looking at them as an existential threat and it was kind of like that with you where all these classicist hip-hop figures they didn't really want you around anymore. So this is the perfect moment. Everybody lock in. And for Trump, they deleted all his social media. He's not president anymore. So we barely heard about Trump for like two, three years. And then, you know, he obviously makes his crazy comeback and everything. And it does

kind of feel like over the last month or so, you've kind of experienced something similar where so many people in hip hop kind of were like, you know, maybe we don't agree 100% with everything he did. but why did we send this kid out of hip hop? Why do we blacklist them and make him, you know, a pariah? You know, even somebody like Vlad, like, Vlad didn't want to interview you at the time. Like, I remember you came to L.A. at one point

and you did, like, impulsive. That was, like, the biggest podcast that you did. But all the hip-hop platforms, you know, I don't think I was offered it. But, like, Vlad, I think it was on the table for Vlad and Vlad didn't want to do it because he felt like... That's not true? That's not true.

Oh, okay. I mean, Muff, am I mistaken? Like, did I do, did I get offered Vlad in 2020? No, nobody was down with me. Yeah, yeah. He wouldn't do it in 2020, right? Yeah, I don't think he wanted to do it. Then fast forward 2025 and he's happy to do it

in his biggest interview of the year. So, me and my team speaks about this all the time. I don't think that people didn't want to interview me. And you guys clip this, right? It's not the fact that 6'9 didn't want to be interviewed by anybody, is that nobody wanted to sit down and hear the truth. And they didn't want to use their platform to expose the truth. And then if anybody sat down with me, they're like, yo, this kid is so good at just logic, right,

that we're going to look stupid. So might as well just cut off his voice. say no to the interview he doesn't get the chance to make us look stupid because your final interview was Breakfast Club and you basically spun Charlemagne

no it's not it spun Charlemagne you made it so that he could barely make a point and that every like you were just controlling the room he was like he was a guy in the audience

that's not spinning nobody has ever done that that's not spinning that's shutting down nonsense if I say something that makes sense he'll make it a joke And that's what a lot of interviewers do.

Like, you see how Vlad in that successful-ass interview that we had, how many times he tries to go to the next question when I make a point? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, wait, why don't you, like, when you ask me how many Nintreve bloods, you know, how do I feel about Nantre bloods being released from prison? And I said, yo, Vlad, if I show you my phone right now, how many of those non-trade members that I told on still hit me up to this day, you'll be surprised.

Any other person would be like, oh my God, this is Blockbuster. Oh, my God, which non-trade members? He didn't care because it was like, it doesn't help my calls making you look bad. But you felt like Vlad had that incentive, that was his intent? No. Not really, right?

Everyone, everyone. Everyone was like, how can we make six nine look horrible without giving him the right to really just make us look stupid and have us contradict ourselves? Because who's going to be loyal to someone who wasn't loyal to them? How are you going to enter that? Yeah. Right?

In retrospect, it seems pretty easy for me to imagine another world in which you were more loved by the industry and they were able to actually look at that situation and have more of a level-headed approach to it. Because, I mean, even the Gunna thing. Like, you know, yeah, a lot of the cool Atlanta rappers basically, you know, X him out. But a lot of the fans got over it pretty quick. And a lot of even the industry, like, you know, why are you going to be angry?

If you're Ebro, why are you mad at Gunner? People are. No, people are so, no, Ebro wasn't mad at Gunner. But so many people are so picking and choosing in this industry. Because remember when Gunner first did the yet, Yes, ma'am, and he cooperated, right? And the fact that he sealed the deal or told the court like, yo, Yassau was a gang.

Wysel committed crimes and further into the gang while these guys are fighting for their life to prove that Wysel is not a gang, it's music, whatever, right? Their lawyers, that's their defense. They're not a gang. They're a label, blah, blah. He's to go home early, that he got tricked, whatever. and saying, no, they're a gang, blah, blah, I understand this, blah, blah, I'm going home. Everybody was like, everybody, just relax.

Wait till Young Thug comes home and confirms that he read it. Just stop. Everybody stop. Let's listen to fuck you mean. You mean? Wait till Youngthunk, everybody just chill. Little baby's not saying, and these. People are not seeing them, just relax. So that when Young Thug comes home and say,

Gunner's a rat, everybody's like, but he has good music. He had enough time to solidify himself as still making good music before Thug got out. That worked out pretty well for Gunner. But aren't we talking about snitching? Like now are we making new rules for snitching? Guber was a smash hit.

Trows is a great. that song that was number one in all genres on Billboard. So why do they get a good music pass and I don't? But would you say that also like the public's mind when it comes to the streets has changed a lot since then? I think in 2019 or 2020 whenever you were going through your shit, it was a lot more the people still believed in the streets. And now it feels like that bubble has burst for a huge majority of the fans. They're not impressed by the street shit like they used to be. So that's what I'm saying.

Why pick and choose now? I think the honest opinion of the masses has changed a lot, too. And I think that's why so many of them are kind of willing to give you a second chance in terms of how they feel about you. Because the difference between Gunner and all these people, right, these people really are falling out with their brothers, like people who put them on. Young Thuk put Gunna on, Gunna took that plea to, like, say, yo, yeah, why I sell as a gang, you know,

they committed crimes and further into the gang, whatever. Like, if we're speaking clear as day and just facts are facts and don't ignore it, I didn't tell them none of my friends or none of the people who put me on. I put them on. And the positions that I found them, they were in critical condition.

But people were like, damn, like, we don't just, I hate that the message is right, We just don't want to listen it from you. Make sense? Like, you don't even need to use gunning in this example. Look at Woody. I've been out and about in Atlanta with Woody. Yeah, he is beloved.

The people are going nuts for him, like little kids running up on him, excited to meet him and shit, everywhere we went. Yeah. I feel like, you know, that is something that would have been hard to imagine at the time. If you told us like, hey, there's a snitch in the Young Thug trial a year or after the 6-9 thing, people would have had a hard time fathoming that he would get such a different reaction

than you did. But Woody is one of the many people that kind of probably showed people, hey, this street shit is not really what y'all believe it is. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. People pick and choose.

You know what I mean? And there's no hiding it. You know what I mean? There's no sugar-coating it. There's no hiding it. everybody wanted to use me as like the poster child but when it's their favorite rappers no but no oh but no listen it's different like and that's what makes me approach to think how it is you know what mean like like like glad glad it was like you know i never i muff you know there's a lot of things

that i know about vlad i just don't like making people feel uncomfortable like him not want to interview me said a lot of things like you but I never like making people make people feel uncomfortable because what I don't like being done to me

I don't do it to people people don't have that same ethic like you said many bad things about me but I would never like in our interview waste time doing it because it wouldn't get me nowhere I wouldn't prove anything to like say yo you'll stop me

you'll be like, yo, he's a piece of shit or whatever. You said that about me in the Vlad interview also. No, I did because I, because, no, because, no, because five years. Yeah. Like, who cares, yeah. Yeah. We're honestly, like, anyone who, like, comes to that era that still is even in the game, we should have a little bit of solidarity because there's so many people that aren't.

But I feel like you, like, and I say it's a lot of respect. I say that you wanted to like keep that like relationship with like other people to be like, yo, if I shit on him, I can be cool with other people. Also like I had a relationship with you before you blew up, then you blew up and didn't want anything to do with me. So from my perspective, you getting a Fed case and telling and everybody being mad at you and stuff like, oh, this is great. We're going to make infinite content about that, which I do look down on people who make that

kind of content, especially just because at this point there's so many. the YouTubers that I know who their day and day in, day out is they make videos just shitting on people saying that they fell off, saying that they're abusers, that they're monsters, that they're bad people, et cetera. And it's like I look back on that era and I feel like it's kind of pathetic to be the kind of content creator where all your content is like, let me virtue signal about this person and talk about how they suck. So I love that you bring this up because we could address this, right?

So the content that people create saying that, yo, you know 2020, I just decide 2021, I decide not to make music anymore. People are like, yo, he disappeared, he did this. Nah, I just decided not to make music no more. But this is what, after that run that you had when you got out the feds?

Yeah, yeah. When I got out to Feds, I just say, you know what? You probably put out, what, five, six songs? Yeah, so what people, and this is like the great part. So whatever minute this is, I'll rewerewere. watch it like seven times. We're like an hour and a half in. An hour half in. I watched it seven times.

People don't understand that Billboard, I was so, yo, Ma'am, I was so powerful. I was so polarizing that Billboard itself

changed their rules just so I won't win. You remember that? I was the rapper who made Billboard cancel their bundles canceled their count. They were like, he can't win. This kid will prove to the world that he's the best.

And then when I decided to stop making music in 2021, they didn't know, like, is he faking? Is he not? Once they were like, oh, he's really not making music. Two years has passed. Three years have passed. They brought Bundles back. You remember that?

Like, so now Cardi B released an album, like, what, a month ago, two months ago? and bundles her shit up. It went platinum and literally like, because she used WAP from four years ago. But that's different than bundling, just using an old song, right? No, it's not different bundling.

Bundling is like you get a T-shirt and then it counts as an album sale because you get a download code, right? I'm going to release an album right now, right? And put Guba on it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we would all look at that. Like, what is he trying to pull the wool over eyes here?

But you see? You see? You would look at it like that for. for me, but when I just brought Cardi up, you're like, it's not the same thing. No, I thought it was crazy when Cardi did that too. You know what I mean? I don't understand how that works. Like, if you just go back 10 seconds, for me, it's like, ha, we'll be like, but if

Cardi was the one to do it, you'll be like, but it's not like selling a t-shirt and this. We all have that conversation about party. No, but everybody will come up with an excuse when it's not six-nine because it's like we hate him. We can't let him win. But do you feel like it's still that? No, but it's something changing right now.

But what we, it's changing a little bit. But with the Cardi B shit, with the Cardi B shit, let's not forget that Billboard changed their rules just so I won't win. That should be a blockbuster headline in itself because it's like, nigger, like, I'm that nigger. Like, now that I'm realizing it, I'm him. Like, you know what I mean? And I try to, you know, like, I'm just a person that's very observant, very dissective on situations.

Like, look at me. Like, Adam, like, I speak facts. Like, you could right now be like, yo, I got all this written out. What about this? What about that? Nigger, like this, then and the third. Like, nigga, like, I don't hide from my truth at all.

Nothing. IRS came and raided my house, right? Why at that time I'm not dropping music, releasing music to make money, you know, through a label? I'm just saying, this shit. Everything. Oh, six nine, he's just looking for cloud. So I'm not dropping a song every week.

Why I'm not looking? I don't give a fucking. So why did you take that long break? Because I just seen how fake the game was. Everything is fake. Clip this. You know how many, like, who's your favorite rapper right now? Right now?

First person that comes to my Vaughnard off, I like him a lot. I don't know who that is. Think about mainstream. Okay. Mainstream. You know, I still listen to Thug a lot. I'll put Thug on that. You know how many fake streams?

Matter of fact, I don't even got to, I don't even got to give an example about fake streams that Young Thug used. Wasn't Young Thug caught on a jail phone call that was leaked, him buying fake streams for Gunner? So if he's buying fake streams for Gunner, an artist signed under him, you don't think he's buying fake streams for himself?

Do you know that labels? you get paid by labels. Labels say, yo, here's this much money this month, post my artist once a week, once a month. I need this post right now. So labels control a lot of

the fake streams, fake algorithm posts, like, no jumper, post. Damn, I don't want to volley somebody right now, but just say, post who?

You don't know about him. All of us. Just say, I don't know. Two Hollis is like an up and coming underground. All right. So post two hollas. Give me five posts a month. Yeah. If I'm lying, I'm flying.

No, happens all the time, yeah. Happens all the time, right? To the point where it's like... But not only you, academics, rap the page RAP, the page rap spotlights, the page Hollywood and a lot. These labels have you guys under payroll where they say, listen, do you guys know that fake likes and fake comments are a thing? So when you have the budget of the label part of your deal and they know you're scorching hot, they inflate your likes, they inflate your body comments. They actually comment what they want the fans to say and buy the likes on that comment. So it could be at the very top.

And then you're like, oh, look at the most like comment is this guy's the best. But it's a fake comment. It's a fake likes. So you see how I'm saying that? the industry looks at me like, damn, this kid is exposing us right now. We have to kill this thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like this thing that needs to get shot.

Like, that's how they look at it. There's people who the fans just think are just super hot. And I know for a fact that they might be paying me 10K a month. They might be paying with all the other pages out there. I don't know. They might be spending 30 or 40K a month just to make artists look hot. And I'm talking about artists who actually are kind of hot. Like, they are kind of popping.

They do have popping songs, but people aren't fascinated by them enough to care about every little in and out of their life and shit. But the labels buy that shit. I even, oh, my God. Like, you know, two artists will do a song together, and then one person will start talking shit. Like, their ops will start shitting on them for something unrelated. And then the other artist team will buy promo based on what their ops said. I know exactly who you're talking about.

It's a Chicago rapper. So it's a new Chicago rapper. I'm so ill with this shit. I know what Chicago rappers you're talking about. It's two upcoming new upcoming. Legacy. No, I'm talking about like an older rapper. All right.

Well, I'm talking about rappers now. You know, you're in LA. All the labels are in LA. Yeah. You know, you know. I'm sure there's a million examples. Yeah. So anyway, bro, it's just so fake now.

That's what made me say, you know what? I'm done with this shit. Everything is fake. numbers are fake. You know how you test something that's not fake? Go outside with the artist. It's not about pick. It's just about how the people receive you.

You can walk into a 50-year-old bakery, and those people know you. Like, I'm worldwide. Like, I just say, you know what? I don't need this shit. It's just fake. You know? But so from a money perspective,

you stopped seeing rapping as being a good use of your time? I just didn't get to fuck about it. I didn't give it. You know what I mean? Like I just said, you know, I'm just going to, I'm just going to just live a normal life. But from my outside perspective, you live in a normal life kind of seems like you drinking a lot and maybe indulging in the Hispanic women more than you probably should be. No, I was just hanging out.

I don't know where you're putting up your nose when the feds break in and find this plate of coke and meth or whatever, which. I assume that's for the hose. I would assume. No, it wasn't. I was prescribed adderil. Right, right. And I took out. I left my adere prescription at home and I took some off the street, like bought it from the black market.

And it was pressed with meth. But also, you got girls, you got strippers coming back to your crib after the strip club in Miami. Yeah, they're probably going to be breaking up some coke on a plate here and there. And maybe you forget to clean up the plate. No, that it happened. There's 10 rooms in the house. Maybe you don't clean up the plate. No, that happened like that.

No, that's what I'm assuming. Hello, ladies. Damn, we've got more baddies showing up. But yeah, I mean, people of Devil Air are so unbelievably immune. And now, but during your come up, you weren't really buying promo, right? Like, buying promo wasn't really... Bro, can you buy Instagram viewers? Like, I'm a bad nigger, like, I'll break...

No, I'm talking about like... On live? Yeah. You're talking about when you had, like, 1.3 or some shit? 2.3. Yeah, that's insane. That was wild. So my thing is just like, that's how you test, like, who's that, nigga? But also, that was during COVID, right?

So why Kim Kardashian didn't do it? I'm just saying, like, COVID? Like, every number. Why didn't Chris Renaud didn't do it? Every number was bolstered up a lot by that shit. So, but why didn't they do it? So, wait, at what point did you start drinking more? When I met Steve?

Nah, but you. No, I swear. Really? I swear. Damn, that's crazy. I see Steve, like, going clean like every other week. Nelson.

He's done with the six. Tell Steve that's come up. All right, yeah. So, thank me. That's a good clip. He's got to talk to Steve. But, so after not drinking for all those years, what made you decide, like, you know what?

All right, drinking is a good time. Nah, I just, I don't know. I was just, I don't know. I was just like, I don't want to blame it on age. You know what I was just like, yeah, let me just. I don't know. Live it up.

Yeah. Because if you're not drinking like you're sober all the time, you're thinking, like the old version of you was constantly thinking about how you're going to make it to the next level in the rap game. And then at a certain point you decide, you know what, fuck this shit, I'd rather do a vape deal and get money like that rather than have to engage in all this bullshit that all these artists are doing in order to make themselves seem more relevant or in order to try to like coax more fans than to listening to your shit.

I feel like, you know, the drinking is probably kind of like you kind of turning off the part of your personality that was just like unendingly ambitious about where you wanted to make it in life. Yeah, basically trying to say I became an alcoholic. It's like you went from like full-time sober hustling. How do I squeeze it in there like, you're a you need a, niggins. But you went from like 100% of your time of spent sober, hustling on how much. how you're gonna make it as a rapper. And then at a certain point, you decide, you know what, I don't give a fuck.

And then you start kind of drinking and partying a little bit more. Yeah. Trying to just enjoy life. That makes sense. Because remember, I was working so hard trying to make it and I was like, yo, this is real, everything is real, everything is like, like, and then when you realize that this whole industry is just fake, you're like,

let me get two shots of honey. You know what I mean? Like, for real. Yeah, because I never listen to like the Apple Music playlist. And then once in a while I'll just click on it because I don't feel like using the brain power to think of what artists I want to listen to right now. And I click on that shit.

And I see the way that the playlists are just instrumental in making Gunna a thing, making offset a thing, making Waleigh a thing, like all these artists that I don't know anyone who listens to them. They get placed there. But they get placed on that. And imagine how much that helps with the streams. Yeah, because once you're in a playlist,

you don't have to click on their name or click on their song. You're a listener. You're automatically a monthly listener. You're automatically a simulated play. Simulation. Why do you think you never worked with Pump during the moment where you guys were both? I don't know.

I think me and Pump looked, had the same image and we're like he had Gucci Yang. I had Gummo and I'm just like, like, yeah, we're both like the same image. Like, when I used to go places, right? I think people would call me Lil' Pump and people will call him 6'9. For sure, yeah. So I'm like, yo, I'm a little Pump.

Like, so the way I met my DJ Nano, right, is my DJ. His baby mom was like, yo, oh my God, you DJing for Little Pump. So that was like some crazy-ass, like, like, and that shit heard my feeling. It is weird, though, because I feel like you and him are kind of in a similar. He's my boy. Like, I speak to him, yeah, talk to him, like, not every day, I'm bunging it. Yeah. I spoke to him three days ago.

Yeah. I was going to try to link on him tomorrow, but he's in Columbia. Yo, bro, he texted me, like, yeah, I'm in Columbia, wow. Yeah, yeah, and he was wild. Yeah, and he was wild. Medell Jean. Because last time I talked to him, he told him he was sober, and then I call him in Columbia, and I'm like, oh, this is, you are not sober right now.

Yeah, you're having a little bit of fun. But, yeah, I mean, like, is there anybody else from that era, like, that stands out that you would have liked to work with, that you think that you could have made dope music with. The juice world thing stands out because you guys have one of the funniest beeps ever. Yeah, I don't know. He just kept going on stage. I don't know if it was a sign from Little Baby or gay Herbo.

He was like, yo, fuck six nine, fuck six nine. I'm like, hi. And again, like, your bitch game, again. Like, you know what I mean? Like, but it was funny because then we joked about it and spoke about him. And we became cool. That was a wild one, though, because that made me feel like, you know, because I'm looking at Juice World.

I'm like, damn, this music is like really, really popular right now. Like, maybe Juice World is the one guy that Sixth Night shouldn't beef with. And then you made fun of him for being the, like, lonely, heartbroken guy. And you kind of like leaned into that, like, oh, I still see the shadows in my room. And you're taking, like, his lyrics that are, like, very heartfelt to a lot of people and just making fun of him for it. And I was like, he kind of uncovered, like, how to go at Juice World right there. Yeah, so I mean, it was pretty cool. Shout out to Juice World.

Legend. Rest of good shit. Yeah, it was fucking up the way he passed. But, yeah, no, if I had to come up with anybody in that, I wrote to make music, I made music with a little baby at, like, that moment where he had, like, his... What was it, drip harder? Drip too hard.

No, drip too hard. It was, like, leaked. It was, like, other shit there. But fire music... You know, I worked with Gunna. Who would I want to work with? The X thing seems. I don't know how you guys would have meshed,

but it would have been pretty epic. X would have been fired. That's a pick I would have picked. Because you used to always be talking on FaceTime and shit, but I never got to the music. I never got to the music. But I, ooh away with Trippie, like he did the remix, but I wasn't on that shit.

Right, right. What was, who would I say? You know who don't get a lot of credit as good as shit? And I'm going to name three of them. Little Tracy That's a good one Mar 90s Oh yeah

Wow Yeah now Mar 90s How are you gonna finessa Fennessa Pull up in a belly Could you pull up in a You remember that shit? A little bit yeah

Yeah Little Tracy the hygiene The So Tracy Mar 90s and Una activist Uno

I still see who know here and there. In that time for him. I mean, I mean, I haven't heard none of shit they drop now. Yo, Lil Tracy, like all the best little peep songs are with Little Tracy. Well, he was like Little Miss Nicky Minaj. He calls him Tracy Minaj. Tracy Minaj. Yeah.

He's still hired doing it saying. What? That's his shit, though. That does sound funny. Nah, but, yo, Tracy was too fucking on Coke, so they had the industry plant Lil Nas X. They had to find a real gay guy. Oh, you just want to act a little fruity? We're going to bring a real f*** in here.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't for my f***. I bought with him. What we got to call a spade of spade. But, you know, Lil Tracy had the Old Town Road before that. He had a song called, I'm a farm, like a farmer that was like a country song about him being a farmer. It was like exactly the same as Old Town Road.

And then they did, the labels tried to sign him, but they couldn't because he was already signing a really bad contract with this guy, Big E. And then they, they, they, industry playing a little Nas X and took his place. I don't know that. Crazy. What's your thought on like the underground or the overall state of like, you know, SoundCloud rap, quote unquote? How do you feel about where that shit is at now?

The guys that never fell off and the guys who run shit, suicide boys. Remember, fat-knick and pretty out shout out to them. They like didn't keep their momentum. Suicide boys, 2025, all the ways from 2014 are still suicide boys.

Yeah. But remember, they have the 36 Mafia sound too. They got sued by 36 Mafia a bunch of times. Oh, for real? Yeah. After, like, working with them on production and everything, and then 360s money and still sued them.

Shout out to Suicide Boys, but that's definitely a 3-6 Mafia sound. You know what I mean? Can you listen to that? Yeah. You interested in listening to Suicide Boys at all, or is it kind of... Yeah, yeah, no, I did.

Like, when I had that... Remember, what was this other guy? Ether Wolf, what was the name? Xavier Wolf. Ezah Wolf. Yeah. Because that's the first rapper I remember. Bro, fire, but all them guys stole...

mafia sound. He's actually from... Oh, shout out to Denzel Curry. Like, you know what I mean? You ever see him? I've never seen him in person, but big fan of Denzo. Zellus Kami's idol was

Denzel Curry. Really? So does that make you happy when you see him get in the case or allegations at least that are like... Not because P is my... And I know that, you know, like I said, it's a topic that, you know, it's not really too...

You know, I don't like anybody's... down for, you know what I mean? But if I could make fun of him, I would. But the respect I have for pee, I wouldn't. I'm not. So everything you've been through has kind of forced you to grow to the point where you can't necessarily just embrace that shit, like the way that you might have previously? Yeah. I feel that. I mean, I'm not saying I'm an old head now, like an OG, like I ain't touching that. But I want to respect righteous Pete. I mean, but once you've bent through the craziest shit, makes it a little hard to take pleasure

and other people going through it. I would say this. I can say this. I laughed the hardest when Zelikami told that underage girl, she has the best tits in the game. That was hilarious. I must not have watched that video. Damn, really?

That's a... Yeah. It's a video. It's a DM. No, I know, but like, I'm sure that... That's how I know he watched the video because he was like... I didn't watch that video,

you watch that shit. I got recognized. I recommended all those YouTube channels that are telling the sad story of this SoundCloud rapper. Tell him. Yeah, after Steve come up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So, all right, this is like one argument that me and Wack always get into is that Wack always says that after you got out of the feds and put out the Niki record and all that shit,

that you actually got bigger than you were before that. And I always say that's bullshit and that actually around the height before you got locked up, you were bigger than that period. What would you say? I don't know. I mean, the numbers add up the same to me. Guba is no features at $800 million, right? Am I bugging done? $800 million?

$900 million. And, you know, I have Fifi and Bebe, that's at $1.4 billion and $1.2 billion. So, you know, I went number one. I had a number one before jail. I had a number one post jail, like, after telling, snitch, or whatever. And I dominated in both markets. Like, my post-prison, I dominated more in Latin

and English at the same time. So that Latin opportunity is just right there for you at all times, but you don't spend that much time out there touring and doing all the things that you probably could do. Would you say that your heart is not really in that kind of music, the same way It's in rap. Exactly.

Because with the Spanish, I'm Latin, so I want to, like, dominate in both. But, like, you know, there's people that's born into this shit that literally grow up and raping in Spanish, like, singing in Spanish. I just use it as a hobby, you know what I mean, which I respect the thing. But it's just like, you know, I'm born in New York, born and raised in New York. The only reason I speak Spanish because my mom doesn't know English. If you were purely just about benefiting yourself, you probably would leave rap alone and just do the Latin shit and just try to be as big as possible in that shit.

But it keeps drawing you back to the rap side of things? No, no, no. I just do it for fun. Okay. I feel like there's got to be an infinite supply of chicks that you want to pipe in these foreign lands as well. I'll pipe anything, you know? But I know your type.

What's your type? What's your type? Probably not that different than you. Latin. Latin with the BBL and looking like they work at Starlets. Nick's sad. I like this guy. No, I know your type, and I always thought that was funny, like,

because I wasn't in on the information with you because we weren't cool at the time, but when people would tell me, like, yo, 6-9 in every strip club in Brooklyn and Queens, every bad stripper. Yeah, but my thing is like, It's not... Sorry, I don't want to start your game for whoever this is. It's not that.

It's not that. It's not that... No, it's not that we're not... It's not that we weren't, like, cool. I just, nigga, you will bath-mouth me like every chance you get. But I feel like during, like, the gummo era, during this era, I was actually just showing you love

and just because I f***ed with the music so much. And I actually... You know, you read like a million comments and every once in a while there's a comment that just sticks with you and you remember it? me and lush were on the podcast talking about how much we were listening to you in 2018

and how that was just the sound of the streets at that time and people commented and saying like, yo, like, that's how I know you a bitch. It's because you're acting like 6'9 was the hottest shit out at that time. And I'm like, I mean,

maybe you weren't outside. Maybe you were in some different state where they weren't playing that shit. But during that era, I was unapologetically listening to your shit even though I knew you didn't like me. Now, I started hating once you got the Fed case. No, I know.

Then we're going to jump on this. Okay. No, I know. I was just like, yo, like, like, like, damn. Like, you don't ever see that the people you interview make no sense. Like, like, like, you didn't see, like, the Billy Otto shit. You don't see that he's mentally unstable? Like, you know what I mean?

Like, like, like, yo, bro. Like, no, he's, like, mentally unstable. Like, like, you see, you got have a conversation with me and be like, all right. I know this kid is thinking, you know what I mean? And he's not just, he'll say some stupid shit, but it makes sense. Billy Otto, you would interview him and it's like, all right, did you finish school? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you don't know what to ask him, like.

But think about somebody like Billy at the state he's in. Like, he literally has the same chain niggas gave him like, like eight years ago. Many such cases. But all I'm saying is that, like, there's a lot of, like, somebody like Billy, like, he's lucky enough to have been involved with something that's so big that somebody like me is still down to have a conversation with him. So he knows he's got to talk about this shit. Because otherwise, what, he's just kind of a regular guy from Brooklyn. It doesn't, it doesn't, like, ring bells to you that he never got arrested in our case. I just assumed he wasn't shooting shit up.

Remember that fucking. He was the one holding the gun in, oh, in the gummo video. Wow. Okay. Well, you think he's done? No, I'm just saying it's just not like, like, like, I don't know if it rings a bell to you. Like, I don't know. Like, you know what I mean? No, I didn't think about it that deep, but shut up, shut up Billy Otto. Yo, but okay, this is like strategy wise, like, we had so many conversations about like what you should do or should have done after you got out the feds, right? And like it felt like from my perspective, I was almost certain that you were going to do some different shit. I thought maybe you would do some rock shit.

The Latin shit you did do, right? But in my mind, you almost kind of like went backwards a little bit because I feel like at that point people didn't really want to see you doing gangster shit. But now you're doing like increasingly gangster shit. Now you're in Chicago and you're trashing King Vaughn after he dies. and doing the slide for Vaughn before he died. Okay, yeah, well, no, why would you slide for him before he was dead? No, Slide for Vaughn came after he died, but when I went to Chicago.

The original O'Block moment. He was still alive. Yes. I just felt like. I'm mistaken, yeah, yeah, hell yeah, he was still alive. But then you go to the feds, he gets killed while you're locked up and then you get out. I was skinny when I posted the picture with me laying on the floor with all white on. Yeah, well, okay.

When I was fat, I went to O'Block. and lay flowers down because after he said something. Right. I mean... I think I laid them shit down for Nuski. It was Nuski, right? So how did you get to know C. Gotti, who's the one that brought you to Oblock, right? Yeah, that was Rondo Noondon's girlfriend.

Right. But I didn't know her. She brought you there? Cuban Dough. Cuban Dough was friends with C. Gotti. And she's the one who kind of told you what to do in terms of going there? I mean, going there's not really... No, she didn't say none.

You go there four in the morning. Yeah, but he's just going there. Yeah, but... Yeah, she wasn't... She was just a Ron the Numer Nines girlfriend. You know, like I said, I was a big fan of Rondom Norn Nome. Yeah. How was that Cuban doll, pussy?

I ain't gonna lie. It was good. I believe you. But remember what you walked out on me? No. Oh, she did walk out on you. Why? Because I was trying to ask her about Tato whooping her ass and her with you and all this type of shit.

I'm trying to kind of ask about it, and she starts kind of like giving me like no answer and shit. Guy with the Chris Breezy. So I start to be like, because he had already made that song, which I heard you say that song was hot, which that song was hot. It never went anywhere. It wasn't going on. It was kind of weird. Who you'd feel like is the biggest domestic violence guy?

No, wait, wait, wait, wait. The top 10 woman abusers. Yeah. No, but listen, listen, listen, I'm up. You know, I'm gonna be like, n'niko, put yourself in there. It's out of me, right? Tato. Because you beat up besides Sarah.

Wait, hold on. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Can't be you. Top three. Chris Brown. Oh. Tato. Jay Prince Jr.

Is he on there? And senior. I don't know about their activities. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Blueface. Ooh. Diddy.

We're going to ask. We're going to ask Steve this, too. We're going to ask Steve this. All right, go. Give me a top three. I don't want you to hear this. Go. Say it.

Top, top three. Domestic violence, me, Diddy, Chris Brown, Tato, or Jay Prince Jr. All right, wait, Steve, Steve, you're going to get mic'd up. Fabulous, knock his girls teeth out. Oh, yeah, fabulous. He's got to be a . Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well, what's her name?

She was a designer. Men's and women's mixed UFC division. She was a designer. Emily, Emily B. He did knock her teeth out. All right, blue, I go, go. I mean. I asked you stay here. Blueface living that life day to day.

Yeah. I don't know, though. I mean, shit. I just don't know. I don't pay attention to that that much of that shit. Well, his domestic violence is pretty impressive because he goes with the knees. Wait, you were hitting Sarah with knees? Yep.

Damn. From my knowledge. From what I understand it. Moy Thai. All right. He had her in the clinch? Damn. Yo, we're talking about this way too lighthearted.

They're going to be honest. Wait, you give me a top three. I think he's in top three. A knee to a woman? I mean, Sarah's a star. You know, most of these girls are anonymous. Sarah's out there. I mean, that's not anonymous.

Chris Brown, as much as he is cleaning up his act. Yeah. That's the most iconic. Who is the top three? You? Okay. And Chris Brown. And no, one more.

I don't know the third. All right. There's Blueface. There's Fabulous. There's Jay Prince Jr. There's Tato. Blueface. Blueface hit Christine?

Yeah, Christine. Oh, that's number three. She's so. had it coming. Like 100%. Yeah, this is the best question anybody has ever asked ChatTBT. Who are the top three rappers of all time in terms of domestic violence? Wow. No one, Dr. Dre.

Damn. Oh, Beats by Dre. Number two. Beets by Dre. Number two is X. Oh, wait. Which really, I mean, that was a high profile one. I can't believe they didn't put Chris Brown.

Number two is X. Before his death, he faced serious domestic violence charges in 2016, you know, yeah. And he never went to trial. Yo, he could have done 30 years. Yeah, I know. That shit was bad. All right, let's skip that one. Number three, fabulous.

Yeah, he knocked his bitch teeth out. Oh, yeah, I mean, Tori Lane, shit. That was a big deal. I wouldn't think of it as like domestic violence, but he took it to another level. He shot her in the foot, yeah. What do you think about that, Steve? Same thing. She did something. Think about the YouTube title on this.

Like, 6'9 ranks the top three domestic abusers of all time. Yeah, they're going to love this. Slap a hole. You don't just break a girl's teeth for her. She did something. Something happened. Okay, so you got him a gambling, streaming. No, not even gambling, just a streaming deal.

Yeah. Yes. And your narrative that you put out, previously was basically that you got him this very generous deal they gave him a couple million up front or whatever he was supposed to get a streaming house to do content out of and then he just said this i'm not doing it because i don't feel like it like the ultimate spoiled rapper right yeah and you were hurt i was hurt yeah is this all still accurate uh uh 100% why did you do that so started a deal everything seemed

Good, right? Steve is like top of the world. We're streaming together. I spoke about some Vlad, but the way I worded it was different. Like, I just say, I think he broke up with this chick. At that time? Yeah. To the first.

No, I don't, I don't want to, no, no, I don't want to, no, wait, fresh off of Jade. It was fresh of Jade. Okay, so as soon as we got the $2 billion. Because this is the first time we ever spoke Lunders. That's what he, that's what he spent forger grand on Birkenbags for random black hose. You are a global white supremacist.

They weren't all black. They weren't all black. But was that just a pure... No, but listen. That seems insane. No, that was real. A lot of times you're like a mastermind, and when I see that, I'm like, maybe he's just crazy.

Wait, wait, wait, hold on, because people are gonna adjust it, right? Okay. That's crazy. That's not. So me and Steve, right, we blah blah this early, I'll say October, January, whatever, of 2020. 2020, uh, 20,

no, 22, and the 22, and the 22 and 23. Um, at this time, Steve's YouTube gets deleted, right? Yes. He starts a, uh, a rumble deal with, uh, rumble, right? With, uh, Chris and everybody.

Steve's YouTube gets deleted. I contact Sam Cohen at my label, you know Sam, uh, Carl from Create. I'm like, yo, let's try to get him his YouTube back. you know, I believe the head guy at YouTube was Tim. Timu was his name?

Anyway, look so sure. I contact that guy to get his YouTube back. We tried the streaming shit, right? I tell Steve, you know, we went to Brazil, right? For the favelas.

Dude, this is all over the place. No, no, no, I'm explaining. He had a deal for Two Millie? No, no, no, I'm explaining how I went. No, I'm explaining how I went. No, I'm explaining. No, I could handle it.

That's it. But I don't want to, I don't want to talk about other things that happen in the thing because I don't know how you are with John and everything, right? So we went to Brazil, right? That video never came out, right? And I was still with Rachel at the time, right? You never released it on thing. Then the whole thing happened in Fort Myers with Steve Giveaway 25.

trailers, right? So the people that got hit with the hurricane. They said I didn't pass the background check, right? A whole bunch of shit. Anyway, long story short, me and Steve, he says he blames it under a breakup. I don't blame it under a breakup. I just feel like me and him weren't, you know,

releasing content the way it was supposed to. We did an Andrew Tate, Dubai thing. Yeah, so drunk. Yeah. So we fucked that up. So we fucked that up big time. Anyway, a little show, we weren't thing. I fucked up, you know, I f***ed up the deal.

I f***ed up, you know, what Steve brought to the table. As you see now, everybody was like, you have six nine would have amended that streaming deal. You'd have been a big stream in the world because everybody does entertaining. I was paid to do video games. You just weren't feeling it? I wasn't feeling it.

I didn't feel like it was, You know, I don't feel like it was the right time. I don't blame the breakup. I take full responsibility. Dude, this is such a whore. Jesus Christ, that's not. That's not. And you can't say that about her.

Holy shit. Yeah, that's not enough. It's a random being ad. What the fuck? You got you, dude. That made you laugh there. No, but. Yeah.

Maybe you should be banned. For other reasons. So, explain to my point. You get the point. I feel it. Yo, Steve, do you want to discuss about the YouTube comeback? Yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe that you're finally back.

Because I've seen you being depressed and not knowing what to do with yourself for the last few years. And it's funny because it's like, I 100% believe that I would be in the exact same position. If that shit was taken from me, it's like, you could try to stream. you could try to make content for other platforms, but ultimately your YouTube is like your identity, you know? No, I mean, especially for me, yeah, it was for sure tough. You were all in. You were doing a vlog a week, going hard as far.

All in, yeah, spending all the money I've ever made on the videos. So it's nice just to be back and have this opportunity to, you don't get my old channel back, but I get a new channel, and I'm grateful for this opportunity. And it just puts me in the position to where it's like I, there's no option to fail. It's like I have to I have to be the biggest YouTuber ever.

No, he is. You couldn't even be in Milk Boy videos, right? Like, didn't they tell them that you couldn't be like a consistent presence in their videos? Skip. Yeah, well, the consistent presence is with all the channels.

That was kind of the thing, is the word consistent. Yeah. Right? So I could be just, I can go on your podcast one time. But if we're doing a show together, that's not good.

Yeah, or if I was on, regular like so but it was cool that they they messaged me and said hey if we have a meeting and you know obviously knew that something good was going to come out of it and uh it was worst-case scenario in a way to where I have to make a new channel but at the same time it's like my last YouTube channel I got a million subscribers in 30 days and I've never had a video in my life from beginning to end under a million views so it's like if I can just repeat what I did last time when I I was like, which I think I can, right? It wouldn't happen if it wasn't a Trump.

Trump? No, well, they're changing all the, everyone's kind of going. I just feel like a lot of that is like pressure from Trump and his campaign to basically be like, yo, if you are seen as censoring conservative voices, then we are coming for you. So I feel like that's why Sneak goes back. That's why I don't think they would have introduced this whole program of like, letting old channels back in if it wasn't for the fact that they're scared to Trump. So I wasn't personally a Trump supporter, but you got to give it to them.

Oh, no, for sure. I'm just thankful to be back and you probably can relate. Like, just having a passion and purpose, you know, like, I could only know you so well, but I could imagine if you lost no jumper, you kind of... What am I doing? I'll be lost at sea. You got a porn. I'd have to be a full-time person.

You'd be a full-time porn. drugs I'll probably have a heart attack imagine you lose both oh imagine I lose my you'll be on the domestic violence case for sure that once you can't all there is left is to beat just beat Lana dude you have to do if you lost your he he figured it out yeah it would change everything though he would do like what are you rapping for once you don't have a no he would he would shove his foot in size in in bitches like literally like this guy is he's sick

you think you got a problem who for sure in terms of just sex addiction not so he's got a problem yeah you just you love it too much do you blow up like good relationships with good girls because you can't stop

no I usually abandon them pretty quick oh so there's not even like the long relationships to preserve it just yeah I feel like Steve

every time he sees me with you check he doesn't like he's just like it's the same one right well they all look the same to me i'll be honest i mean they're not Asian they're just black he's black yeah i mean he was in a relationship since high school until very recently yeah but she's not black no right as far as i know are you are you are you healed yeah yeah yeah yeah okay oh yeah i feel uh really good did it take a little while though i mean oh yeah yeah yeah yeah since high yeah yeah high school I mean shit took like three three four months yeah no we're good so you don't care about what she does now I mean I uh no I don't care I I just hope that it's one of those things

where like I became Steve will do it like right out high school whatever so it's like so she kind of was just like tagging along with me for the ride so it's like this is her first time in our life where she can figure out like okay who do I want to be who am I like I'm not just lagging along with some dude, you know, and I love her that much, and I respect and love this. I just wish her the best and I'm looking at it in a positive way. Great guy right there. That's a good speech, yeah. Yeah, I'll be like, fuck that bitch.

No, that's how me, that's, that's the like, that's the niggum. Yeah, you, I like what Charleston White said. He says you, you went, you went, nigger. You got to stop being N-word. Just stick to Mexican. You know, natural Libre. Yo, that shit we were talking about before. Why is it so cool to say the N-word that even white people,

Asian people, Spanish people say it? You actually just say it. Nobody says, nobody thinks it's cool to call your home meal. But you said it. Even that, I want to, I want to edit it. That sounds crazy. No, no, no, no, you said it. Nobody's like, hey, I'm saying.

You got to just say, Nick. But then that sounds cool But that's what I'm saying is like Black culture is cool to everybody And somehow Hispanic culture It just, it don't work. Yeah, but listen. Wait, wait, wait, say it.

I say it. I say it. I own it. Seriously, we just some chill. No, you think about it though, like realistically. Literally. You can't just... It's hard to do it. Black people make shit cool. No, super cool.

Hey, yeah. I just love the blacks, right? Yeah. For someone like me who's given way multiple million dollars to blacks. To the blacks. Yeah. You got it. What, we want to say 10 of niggas?

I feel like I purchased. Look, you have the permission. You got a pass. Oh, dude. Dude. Yeah. Prolific N-word sayer is giving you the pass. Yeah, I'm going to give you the pass.

I'll give you the pass. He gives you a half pass. I'm giving you a full. As a white man, I am happy to hear you not saying it right now because I feel like it would be a whole thing. No, I don't got to say it, but Yeah, I'd say it It's like come out me, bro

Yo, have you ever The Blackchate? No What do you think is better? Like, what race? I think they're all magical. Like, if you have to, like, not DV1, who would it be? That's insane. That's the craziest way

you could ever word that, but I don't know, I do. I do feel like sometimes black women are great to have sex with because I feel like they're kind of naturally a little bit more athletic. You like that entire racial shit. No, I'm just saying I think that they they're black. The more athletic. The more likely you are to have like strong muscular definition, I feel like that could help you sexually. No, for sure. Yeah, they're just, they're gifted. I mean, they're black. Yeah, wait. Yeah. Yeah. Is that funny? Well, like, you know, track and field. Yeah. It's all. I mean, the NFL.

Yeah. Why would they not be better at sex? I just went to the NBA game. They're all black. Me too. I just went to a Lakers game. A lot of white representation. Yeah, wait.

Yeah, the Lakers, yeah. How do you feel about the NBA? Never really watched it, but. Yo, that, speaking of black chicks, that in person, Angel Reese, they're horrible. It's pretty hot, dude. Yeah, you hit Andrew Reese? Yeah.

Would you hit it as sex? or would you need her? I mean, she's like the only non-legian in the whole league, you damn near, right? Or at least that I know of. And she's kind of sexy. She has a podcast. A pot.

Like a thinker. Does she have a podcast? Yeah, she's like open-minded. One of those, like, feminist open-mind girls. I messaged her. I was offering to buy her whatever item she wanted in life. And she...

They usually go for, like, Burkins. Oh, that would have been easy. Not easy, but I was trying to buy something way more expensive in Birkin. And, yeah, just left me on the red. Do you still, like, want that you feel like you kind of have to pay for? You have to, like, buy them shit? Are you at the point where it's like, if you have to do all that, you don't really want it? I don't think buying is the way that, like, I never bought him as you.

Yeah. I gifted, like, like, something to them, and they're like, oh, my God, this guy's the coolest guy in the world. Or if it's your long time girl, sure. No, I get a kick out of buying some chicks and things. Yeah? New ones, yeah? I get a little fun.

It's like role playing, huh? So right now I'm talking to this chick, oh, dude, amazing. I don't even want to talk too much about it, but, you know, right now, tomorrow, or not, yeah, tomorrow I'm going to buy her two watches and buy her a ring for every finger. I'm going to buy her three necklaces.

You really think that's helping your calls, though? I feel like that's, A, you're setting the stage where, like, now you're going to have to keep buying a shit. No. Rich, yeah. I mean, rich. Yeah. You want to do that. Yeah.

When a rich nigga want you? No. Yeah. Anya naga can't do none. These holes ain't loyal. Hey, so one of your things that you were saying about him was you kept saying that he was broke. And then that kind of created this narrative because a lot of people were kind of confused, like how six and I have money at this point. Where's the money coming from?

Well, you told us he was broke. Yeah, I think. Have you been broke since you've been out of prison? And at this point, where does most of your money come from? No. I think, you know, I spoke about it on a black thing. Like, I never said nothing bad about Steve because, you know, he's been a great person. You know what I mean?

Throughout our whole friendship, I never felt bad. I never felt bad about him taking my daughter at Disney World and all this stuff. I think with the whole IRS situation, situation and I think I spoke to your mom about it like I had poor manage poor money management about like whether I don't know if it's cooking books or whatever no I'll fuck you up yeah so you know me post-prison coming out buying like two Lamborghinis two McLaren's they one of those McLarens I gift to Steve uh two Rose Royces two Rose Royces uh think you give to me a Ferrari, two Hellcats, two things.

I thought that my accountant would write them all off. Because they were in the Tutu music video, the Punani music video. My knowledge was that from somebody delivering food in 2017, having all the money in the world three years later, I didn't know that these stuff you don't write off. I mean, could be a counting thing. Did you write your jet off? The jet? Oh, yeah, that.

So they didn't write any of my purchases off. And then when the IRS came in 2023, they're like, yo, you can't write those things off. Those are like... They're not business expenses. Yeah, but they are, though, because I'm like, yeah, I'm using them for, what, like an image. Yeah.

I never wrote any of the, like, the clothes I had off, but purchases like SVJs, Bentley's, I bought all of these things cash, no lease. I was like, why didn't you write them off? The IRS said that you can't write any of this off. Like my house right now, like there's no mortgage, all cash. They say you can't write that off either. There's something called like first time, what is it?

First time house. First time buyers, they get a special rate and shit? Yeah, exactly. They're like, no, that doesn't count. Wow. So as I go back and think about it, like now that I'm like in a, that term of like negotiation with the IRS, they're having like no leniency with me. Yeah. They're like nothing of this is written off.

The only thing you can write off is like the jet to like Los Angeles to shoot a naked Minaj. So in 2020, they ordered me to pay. pay $6 million, which is like, if I made $9 million that year, why I have to keep $3 million and pay $6 million? So yeah, so 2018, I paid $2.1 million. And 2019, while I'm in prison, I pay $1.3 million. As of today, November 1st, 2025, I've done paid $6. six say six and a half million dollars

to the IRS and they still want $1.9, $2 million, which is like accumulated interest and what is it called like fees of like and I'm just like that's unreasonable where's this money going

you know what I mean like I paid I paid $6 million to the IRS you know what I mean? Why do you guys want $2 million more and fees like you know But you're super comfortable financially right now? I'm financially comfortable where my family is good. I don't have to, like, struggle.

I'm not on something like, what's this guy's name? The guy, the Chris Brown writer. Oh, Kevin. Kevin McAul. I was just interviewed him. And I'm on EVT. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

But I'm, like I said, me and my family financially, comfortable where we can negotiate like with the IRS you know what I mean but like okay say your accountant told you like six nine you need to make five million dollars like you like you need to make like you like you have a bunch of bills that you know okay so what are you gonna do to make five million dollars as fast as possible no no no there's not there's a ton of ways it doesn't it doesn't work that way okay um I'm just asking like what's the best yeah I don't I don't that's way for you to make money right now no I'm just not music Right?

No, it's music. Okay. But it's not like me rushing into a deal where I'm just like, yo, I'm going to go sign this deal because, or I'm going to go sell my catalog or I'm going to go do this. I'm going to do that.

I'm financially stable where I'm chilling right now. Because like at one point I heard Act just saying that you made a million dollars from just licensing your image to a vape company and I was, oh. Yeah, but I guess I maybe wouldn't care about music that much if I could get those kind of deals too. So if Steve could attest to this,

I did that deal. I brought Steve to these people, right? Remember Steve? The fume people. Yeah. And then they fuck me too. Really? Yeah.

Oh, shit. So they sued me because I brought someone, I brought Steve and someone else. I can't talk about someone else. But I had a deal with Steve's boy, which is my boy, too, Neil, right? HQD. We're killing the game. Then fume comes into the game and was like, yo, let your deal go. And because my vape was like number one vaping the world.

So like I said, all these deals is like, I'm not rushing into nothing because it's not like I'm like in need, like, oh my God, I need to do it or not. It's just to the point where I fix, I have to fix what happened in the years that I didn't. What is it called? Pay your taxes.

Yeah, pay my taxes too. Then be like, yo, take this off, take that off, take this off. I shouldn't be paying $70,000 a month for, fees when we're still trying to figure out what's the, you know, final payment. You know what I mean? So that's that's the, that's the, that's where we're at right now as of November 1st,

2025. Hopefully in the next 30 days from like this realm, we, uh, we come up with that number. So how certain are you that you're going to prison? Is it like, is it up in the air right now or is it like this is happening? I'm scared because I, I can't control it, right? Because at the end of the day, like when that shit happened in the mall, the guy threatened me with a gun.

How do you beat up a guy who shows you he has a gun? Because I'm just like, yo, I live with that trauma. Like, yo, if I let him walk away, he probably is going to get more people to, you know, fulfill his attack or fulfill his plan, right? So we beat him up in like self-defense. but the court doesn't look at it like that. Right. I'm not armed.

He's armed. Then they raided my house March 12, so I'm fighting two violations. I'm fighting the drugs that was found in my house and the assault. The drugs that was found in my house, a CI, you know, somebody close to me, around me,

said there was drugs, guns, and cash in the house. So they brought three different canines. You don't know who? No. What? That's crazy, right? That is funny. time. The fact that you don't know. Yeah. So, so, yeah, so that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's what

happened, um, um, um, with the case going on. I, so I was supposed to get sentenced. Remember I told you, we were supposed to do the interview November 1st, which today. Yeah. I was getting sent to November 4th. They pushed it back to November 20th. Damn. So how do you feel about that? Like, just the, the idea of having to go stare at the wall for a few years? I mean, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't fight it. I mean, I can't, I mean, I can't control it, so I won't, I'm not gonna, you know, break my head over it. Yeah, you can't control it, but how hard were those years of you being locked up?

Because you honestly came out and didn't really feel like you missed too much of a beat. You came right back and were right back to the content and shit. But I mean, I'm sure it was pretty tough. You haven't really been through anything like that before. Like, how did I feel? Yeah, just being locked up for that time period. I feel like so much shit was going on before and after that I don't know, like, where your mental state was out.

I was hyped to get back to it because I'm the type of person that I like to be told what I can't do. So when I do it, it feels like 10 times better. Definitely. Yeah. So this most recent run that you've been on where you basically, like, didn't do any media for a long-ass time and then came right back. and said, you know what, all right, I'm going to flood the...

Yeah, flood the pipes. Is that, like, intentional? Like, oh, I'm going to make them miss me. And then I'm going to flood it. And then I'm maybe going to prison after that. So they're going to have to miss me again for a period of time. No, I just wanted to flood the pipes, meaning, like, yeah, if I did go to jail, you know, I have enough content out there to be like,

yo, like, we miss just a genuine... you know, of six nine, him being genuine, him having no filter. And then all a young thug shit just exposing contradiction like this industry is, you know? Timing-wise, those seemed like a good time to come back to you. Exactly. Definitely. Where are you at with Kodak? We talked about this subject so much.

No, we just literally spoke like four days ago. We spoke four days ago on FaceTime. I could show you. You want me show you the video? Sure, but... I mean, because he had an event by my house and we're like, yo, he was like, I guess that he was going to come over.

After an event, I'm like, yo, bro, it's already like 12 a.m. I mean, that kind of poked holes in the whole anti-6-9 thing, too, because he did a song with you. And yes, it was very controversial and very talked about, but ultimately, like,

I don't think anybody thinks that that hurt Kodak, right? No, because, I guess people, you know, I mean, people are just scared, you know what I mean? Yeah. People are just scared. Remember, young boy got offered the same thing. I guess people didn't want to be the first ones to, you know? But the version I heard was that young boy wanted you to do a son that wasn't on some gangster shit and you weren't really feeling that.

Is that true? Yeah, I believe so. It was like more on some positive shit. Some Dirk and J. Cole shit? I want to want that. You could go to the local elementary school. Get the kids to record a hook. I'm trying to show it to me.

Right. You want to take a shot, Steve? This is just you and Cardack hanging out? No, no, no. That was an event he was doing by my house. Okay. And we, you see, I was trying to tell him to tell his lawyer to get me part in. Oh, shit.

Because, you know, like, Trump is like, well, Trump administration are, like, they're not just partying anyone. They're just looking into people. cases, sing, and then, you know, giving it a review. So, yeah, I mean, Kodak, DM me before us getting on the phone was like, yo, we should like run it, you know what I mean? But you took the completed song and removed the part where he said, I'm getting cheese by rapping with a rat or some shit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You chose to remove that so he no longer had a 16, and he had like a 12-on- song, right? It wasn't even 16. It was 8. and I spoke about this on the Vlatchit. When we were negotiating a million dollars, right? Kodak didn't want to give the song until he got the million dollars, but Fume wasn't going to give Kodak the million dollars

without him recording the song. So when he recorded the song, then Fume was like, yo, I think we were negotiating the NBA Youngboy shit, so they never showed up. So I guess him and Wack were in the student, he was like, yo, Wack called me like, Yo, what's up with your man? Like, yo, I'm putting my face in this. Like, where's the money, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Fume, you know, Fume was waiting, blah, blah, blah. And then by the time that Fume brought the million dollars, I guess Kodak wrote that verse, but by the time that I said, you don't even change it, we're just going to take this part out and just go through it. Because I could have made him change the whole verse since a million dollars, but I was like, you know what it's going viral? I think at that time he fell out with it. Nwell, because remember him and Nuel was close.

Right. I was like, it's gonna go viral, this, the shit we need, we don't need, and we put it out like, how you lose your bitch, snitch? And I was like, yeah, that's viral's fuck, let's just leave that part in. And then when I was gonna put the other person on it, because it was another feature on it, I don't want to say a name, he was like, yo, if that person's on the song, I'm not doing it. Okay.

And I was like, yo, bro, I'm gonna leave your verse the way it is. is just allow this person to be on it. Because I'm with the person. And- But you didn't look at Kodak as moving kind of oppy because his producer basically leaked the original verse. So I feel like you had to be looking at it like, damn Kodak. No, no, no.

His producer did that on his own. Okay. And that's when Kodak started Busy dissed him. And then he was like, nigger, like, ya, I forgot what was the exchange with Bousie? But I didn't look at that because Kodak, I had Kodak face to face. We was in the, and bobbing in front of the few more fans. We vibed at the music video.

We vibed in this car. You know, everybody tried to give Kodak Kee for it. I guess that was his scapegoat, you know? He didn't really respond. He didn't really like let it appear like he was bothered. No, he didn't. The only person he did respond to was Boosie. You remember that exchange?

A little bit, yeah, yeah. But he didn't respond to nobody. We kept talking after that. I didn't look at it in no crazy way. I mean, that honestly was kind of like another vote in your favor, just in the sense of like, oh, Kodak did this. He got a bunch of shit, but then he didn't really even respond to it, and his life went on as normal.

Yeah, he didn't respond to anything, only to Busy. I don't know why. Yeah. I mean, you kind of learned that, being in the public guy, that there's a lot of shit you just don't really need to respond to. You wait a week and it was gone. Yeah. And like, you know, I pray for, you know, his health and all that shit going on right now.

All right. Yeah, because that's the, you know, maybe hanging out with you and getting that backlash made him, like, get more into the perks. Nah, he was happy. Like, no, I'm telling you. Yeah. It was already in my shoes. When they came with them, like, and people don't know this. When they came with a million dollars, I could have had been like, yo, you got to change the whole shit.

But his state of mind at that point was pretty, like, pretty, like, bad. Really? Yeah. You never took a perk with him? No. You never been tempted to even travel? I mean, I took a perk before for, like... Pain and shit, but, like, not, like, on some, like...

It's a dangerous thing. Yeah, you like him? A little bit. Like, I was always, like, taking, like, a 10 here and there. And then one day, like, I think I think I was. I took like a whole 30 with Brick Baby. And I kind of talked about... Brick Baby is a Mexican rapper?

No, he's a black dude from Rolling 60s that we were... He was a podcast running a jumper for like two years. And then they... He got caught up in the Rolling 60s Rico. And he's probably going to do like another couple years for like interstate firearms purchasing and shit like that. But yeah, free Brig Baby. But yeah, he's like always been my perkhead, homie.

So he got me to take him with him a few times. But ultimately... I took a third. already one time and I was like, all right, I'm done. I'm not, this is too much. I can't with this shit. All right, all right. The one thing I just really want to ask before we wrap this up is,

so at one point you make your return to the scene, but you've got the new crew of YNs around you, including my boy Don Stacks, and you guys had some very viral moments together. In particular, you do Axe podcast with WAC and Hassan Campbell and shit, and we get the infamous, This is the only rap we jacking moment. And that stood out to a lot of us as like,

wow, this is insane. Like, this is just crazy. Because, so Don Stacks is part of, it was, you know, you said you was born in New Hampshire, but you was Bushwick. So he's part of Bushwick Projects, him and things. So we all grew up together. Right. There's literally videos.

If you guys look at Inferno, You can look this up. If you look at Inferno by 6-9, when before Gummo, before Post-1469, Donstacks is in that video. But they're going to ignore that clip. Oh, okay. Because I thought you just found some new homies.

Those are the dudes you knew from before. Yeah, you can literally side-by-side this while we're interviewing and literally put Inferno by 69, and you see Dunstacks in that video. Yeah. And I don't think that it came from any ill-will. Like, you know what I mean? Like Outpole was in whole.

I'm not gonna'all' smacking the shit out of niggas, you know what I mean? And bitches too. But I think they're not interview savvy, so when like Hassan Campbell was like trying his best to like, you know, like contest them, that came out like them, like, them not being interview savvy, you know what I mean? But I don't think it was an ill will, you know what I mean? At the end of the day, after GNA came out, there was like a personal thing that happened. And he still hits me up to this day.

I could show you the message, but I'm just, like, he actually hit me up three days ago. Look. Really? Yeah, look. Because when I interviewing him, he kind of described you sort of like abandoning him in my head. Nah, that's cap. Look. What was his Instagram?

It was like three days ago. Oh, no. But you got any of the GNA energy drinks left? Yeah, I have some in my house. I would drink one of that. If we would have did it in my house. Oh, that would be crazy. You got any GNA NFTs?

No. Energy drinks slash. Yeah, you remember that? Yeah, that was an era. Yo, did you ever buy one of those NFT apes? No, but I bought a punk. What is that? It was similar.

It was like these little crypto punk heads. Like Jay-Z's Twitter picture was a crypto punk for a long-ass time. And me and my girl went halves on it, 150 grand total. I don't think it's worth anything now. 150, right? So wait, so what is it now? Probably close to zero, I would assume. So you still have it?

Yeah. We listed it for sale. What if somebody just screenshot it? Yeah, they could do that. That's a big problem with the NFTs. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, all right.

Honestly, Greg... Yeah, do you think I would make it in... Well, I heard you're making your debut soon. Yeah. I'm going to tell you that the number one thing that gives guys problems is just stage fright, not being able to do it in front of a bunch of people. Wait, you do it in front of people?

Yeah. No, it's just like... Like, just say he was filming and I was just... Well, I mean, like, I have, like, my filmer, who's normally the guy in the room, and I don't even think about him being there, and he don't say anything. don't do nothing. But like a lot of guys, even like professional dudes, you know, they just

have a hard time staying hard, like on camera or with a couple. Can you take a honey pat? For sure, yeah. I mean, they're doing way crazy or something than that. Viagoras, the Alice. They got the injections. You can shoot your dick up with some stuff that makes it hard as for like four hours and then it just goes away. That's fine. It's crazy. I never did it, but it works like a Miracle apparently. You do honey facts consistently though? No. I've done it.

That's fun. Yeah, I do too. I never did it until recently. And recently I tried it a couple times. Yeah, that's a fun. They're amazing. That's supercharges you. Yeah, I hate to just endorse them like that.

But yeah, it's a good time. Get some blood moving. All right, yo, six now. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. It's going to be funny for people to see us getting like a little bit progressively more drunk throughout this. I didn't get fully shit-faced.

Nah, we didn't get shit-faced. Definitely drunker than they're used to seeing me. Let's literally go out right now and get shit-faced. All right, let's go. Yeah, let's do it. Where are we going? Wherever. All right, let's go.

All right, y'all, I appreciate you, bro. Thank you for sitting down with me and everything. It was a great time. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, did the Dodgers win? It's tied. It's tied?

What I said! We can put it on the TV. What I said? Yo, Steve! I'm telling you with Derek. Hey, bro, let's find out. Let's find out. Like, comment, subscribe.

We out. Yo, Steve. That's real.