No Jumper - Akon on Where He Went Wrong with Akon City, Seeing Suge get KOed & More

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

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No jumper. Wait. The Adam and Wack show. Yeah. Sorry, I almost did my usual intro. Oh, man. Anyway,

Wack told me late last night. He's like, you know what? It's happening tomorrow. 8 a.m. Acons coming through. See, I was only able to get,

getting him because I know how he works. Yeah? Yeah. When you give, when you give him options, right? It's never going to happen. So, you know, and I told A-Con something crazy because we go way back.

So you know how I did with A-Con, I say, well, whatever you want to do. As long as you're at A-Con, what to do you want to do, now he's going to tell you what he can do. But if you say, hey, can you come at this time? He's simply going to say no. So what's your version of this? Like, he just hit you up at the last minute and was like, we have to make it happen at 8 a.m. tomorrow. Actually, he didn't. He called me two weeks ago.

See, yo, Khan, when you're next back in L.A.? I said, shit, I don't know. He said, I don't know. He said, well, let me know when you're back in L.A. I said, all, cool. Then I called him a couple days and reminded. I said, yo, I'll be back in L.A. this week. He said, all, cool.

You got time? I said, man, I'm just going to be tight. He's all, shit. I just want you to stop through the show if you can. I said, all, okay, because I'm making a run with my shish guys. And I, you know, we only, I probably could fit you in. He said, well, just let me know what time anytime. And I got you.

So I called him back. As soon as I land, I said, I'm in town. I'm going to be here until Saturday morning. He said, all, cool. When we're getting in? I said, that's my nigga. I can't let them down. I got to figure out of way.

That's a shit. You know what I said? And he said, yo, just let me know what time. He said, I don't get a fuck. I'm up and ready. I said, niggas going to be kind of early. Eight o'clock. He said, done.

See them all. He'll excuse your address. That's it. Literally. Wait, so what are you doing for the rest of the day? Is this the first thing you're doing today? No, this is actually. We're on our tail.

we're on our 10 this the last thing we're doing oh okay because it's originally wasn't on the schedule uh we wasn't coming back to y'all to probably once them niggas got hot uh but whack you know that niggas like niggins let me just help you get these niggas hot what you do you do you do you do you start working them and and i was it like how deeply involved with artist's development are you still at this point i'm a hundred percent deep like i don't even play about that i just feel like i don't want to touch a artist that i don't see being around for more than 20 years. Really?

Like, we had developed them all the way to the time of release. And then from there, you can just pray. You know, you know what I'm talking about, you can only do it with so much, and after that it's really own them. You know, like, you prepare them, you run them through the circuit,

you push them through all the DJs, you do all the playlists, you do everything you need to do, make sure they get to meet people, hand-to-hand, people get to meet them, they build their own relationships. And then from there, you just got to hope they hustle hard enough

to keep that relationship and maximize every opportunity because our relationship is going to get them to the, and get like they got a global fan base now that have been supporting Convick for 20 years. Right. Now it's up to them to just sell it. My job is just to put them in front of them so they can say, okay, cool, these are the next new niggas that I believe in

and just hope the people that believe in me believe in them as much as I believe in them. Yeah. I'm going to tell you why you guys in a great situation, when Kyle was coming up as an artist, he wasn't just building himself as an artist. He was building himself as somebody that can run those buildings. Right. You know what I mean? So he was delivering the music,

but then he was also doing other business with the building, helping them. A lot of people don't know. A lot of hits, Lady Gaga. That's him. You know what I'm saying? He's one, he's never been one to beat his chest about some of his accolades and things he's done.

You know what I mean? So this is why I told Khan, I say, con, you know, when they come to you, no matter how far up I go, I still remember the doors he opened up for me. I still remember. he's like, whack, you ain't got to wait in the lobby, kind of my suite. I remember these things.

You know what I'm saying? So I'll always handle kind the same way. Because when he was up there and the world was on him, he was never cocky. And I've seen something I've never seen before. A glass house. No. Like how much of it was glass? The house was glass.

The floors, everything. And see through the house. Ask him. It was crazy. You had a glass house in Georgia. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, and I've been in the middle of the lot of the BS that wasn't about him, but it came to him.

The whole Shug thing, right? I tell the true story. I tell the real story. You know what I mean? Because it was a certain crew that I was with him. Jai B was around back then. And the crazy part of the body was, I never forget. I don't know where we was going to the convention center.

Jai was in my car because remember Jive was a Shug Knight fanatic Yeah he was Like yo because Jod just did 15 years in the fans He's like yo It was because of cats like Shug Who made it possible for cats like us

To come out and do this independent thing And this and they run around Kid Khan running around They're getting money right So it was Khan at this time Like everybody else They had detail

Now we in Ray J discovered detail Yeah Detail was homeless in Detroit brought him down, Ray J put him in his mom house. From that came sexy can. When that hit, everybody started pulling. But Khan was smart enough to say, look, let me give you this bag. Let's lock in for the next six months.

You get what I'm saying? So detail, had whatever, business going or whatever, and everybody knows when they come to Khan team, all it is is a question. All you do is ask is either an honest yes or a great no. Right? And he's down. out there in Arizona, and he's like,

yo, detailed, John, like, shout at him. When we get you with me, like, well, what's his number? He said, I put it in your phone. So you know when you go to put somebody number, somebody phone, and it's already there, so it pops up. So as, as John seeing this, should go to doing that mumble BS and says, niggas, mammas ain't going to be able to go to the grocery store.

And at this time, John had just, Now, Jai just lost his mother. Yeah, he had just lost... He had just lost his mother. Jai warrior. Big dude, did 15 years, and chint checked him and out he was. I think they got A-Conn ass out of the day immediately because you have...

I was the first move. The moment he was falling on the flow. They had Big D and two T's... I stepped over him as walking out direction over this. Big D and two T's was security. So Kendrick's old security and Big D for my neighborhood, which was Stacey Adams' brother. They got him out of there. And I'm going to be real.

Outside of the other BS, right, that he did with bro with Boo. And Boo, respectfully, is nice, humble. He's 120 pounds. And he's just going to talk to you. So the bully shit, even all of that, Connell and Jai refused to give me the documents. Because it's documents. I've tried to get them. And I know they have them.

They still have stayed humble. outside of dudes disrespect, slander, and just let it go. Because what was it? For $150,000, it could all go away. And I know it. So I asked Kahn once, I asked J.

like 10 times. Because if Kahn tell me no once, I leave it a law, I just, I don't, I'm, cool. But it's a lot of history there, bro. The way I look at it, man, at the end of the day, because shit was my nigger. Everybody, all you are. We all fucked with him.

We all fucked with him. When he pulled that, even though we was on the wrong side of each other's, you know, energy, I felt like regardless of all that, we still have to protect his legacy. Because what he built and what he did for the West Coast, I would never want to take it from him, even though he know what he did. You know what I'm saying? He's been protecting it. Yeah.

I've been trying to get it. But it's like people get someone like Shug's so much leeway because they want the legacy of what he created to be this big, great, powerful thing. And so they shoot him so much more bail than they would ever offer like a normal person just trying to do business. You have no idea what I have had at this table in front of you. You have no idea. He know what I'm talking about.

But I've had people at this table in front of you like, bro. Like, see, a lot of people understand, like, whack is dangerous with this because I'm one of one that come from that era and generation that's still here that was actually in it, not the story, not outside the door, in it, right there in it. So it's a lot I can speak on, a lot we just don't speak on. Khan is one of them dudes that every night in the call me and tell me, slow down. There's other things out here for you to do. Right.

Because he know I respect him. He know I respect him. You know what I'm saying? So I listen to him. So it's just so interesting to me that when we look back through your career, how many different artists you took a chance on and it's like interest and see that you still have that mentality of like if you are going to end up being somebody who has had so many successful bets on different up and coming artists it's like you're just going to have to take a lot of chances and you're

still in that mind state like are you just so close to the music that you can't help but like see the potential in people and just have to invest in it you know what i don't even know if it's the music i think i know the music is what drives me because the music is what open up the outlet for me to see that music opens doors for major opportunity, right? So music has always been like a bridge to get to the money. And the one thing that we good at as a people, we're good at music and we're good at sports, and we have a great sense of fashion, right? So we create lifestyle.

And when you think about the people that we came up with, like, I struggle off, I struggle like pulling myself back from getting involved in things I know I can intervene and make correct. That's a fact. Right? But the problem is, unfortunately, when we do that, sometimes it cause more harm than good because they don't intellectly understand what you're doing. They think you're trying to take advantage. Or they think that you got to play trying to run on them because we don't trust each other. Right.

Right. Especially because with new artists, you're dealing with so many people that don't have experience business-wise, music industry-wise. So it's like you're just kind of constantly dealing with people who are sort of on square one in terms of developing their mind. Let me tell you what happens, Adam. Khan of spot talent he'll take a risk on these people that nobody else would right when Khan touches them

and put a light on them here come the naysayers every time he's sleep hey you know what we can do but then the artists forget that these people are only acknowledging and recognizing you because of what he's done

and before you know it they get one or two of them and they stop listening. And Khan is not, he's not going to fight with you. You got about one or two, two or three times to not show up, be on time,

or want to go back and forth to what he's putting in front of you to do because when you was at home with your mama and you was like, I'll sign for nothing, he still get you a bag, right? He never left you behind. I didn't see Khan say, well, if y'all want me on this run,

y'all need to put this group on there too. Because so many people end up getting frustrated with the process of signing new artists and just like, I've just seen so many people, including people who have like serious reputations for it and have had legitimate, like big successes with it, who still by the time they make it to their, you know, mid 40s, 50s, whatever, they're just kind of like, I'm over this. It just takes too much time, effort, et cetera. But like, so what did you see in them that made you want to bring them on? Man, they reminded me of myself. But, and they also reminded me of my family, like. Like, I'll let them speak on that, but for the most part, the way Elleness, me and him met, I met LNS first before I met Ski. That's his little brother.

And while I'm rocking with Elle, Elle was always like, oh, look, my little brother, he and the joint right now, he's going to be able to travel within the next year because he just came home when he was, you know, they had that whole year probation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So as soon as he was done, we flew, well, Elle flew ski to Atlanta, and he was just as raw as him. everything he said he was, that's what he was. And I was like, man, y'all niggas need to be a group. Because y'all both wrongs fuck, y'all both brothers, so y'all never split up. And then with a group, y'all have the option

to always do solo projects as y'all move forward. Right? And then there's not enough hip-hop duos in the business. Because I don't know, man, back when I was coming up, hip-hip-hop duos was everywhere. You know what I'm saying? We came up on them. They was like monsters.

The only thing now, the only group or duo that we can think of right now today is Eclipse. And they stood. test of time. So it tells you it shows you that it works. It just nobody else in that lane. But again, they're brothers. And then the other one that comes to mind, rest and pieces, take off

is the Migos, again, like, related. All these people like are kind of when they end up really sticking together for 10 plus years, it seems like they usually are related to someone. That's kind of crazy. So what were you guys from? Where y'all from? We from Elkhart, Indiana, by way, in Chicago. Gotcha. Okay.

Yeah, so we was raising Elkhart partner body. We was raised in Elkhart and we was born in Chicago so we moved to Elkhart when he was like seven. So you found them on the internet? No, actually I found them through word of mouth. They was, like they was, they came

off as a solo artist, he was writing for a lot of people. And then at the time I had an A&R named Bo who was like, nigga, you got to check these niggas out. Like, he was a monster. Like, he's a beast. And I was like, man, I got five minutes tonight if you got it. Like, you can keep that thing for two hours.

And it showed up. As soon as I heard the music, I was like, sheesh. Really? How many A&Rs you got working for you at any given time? Well, he was the last one. Oh, okay. After that, I ain't need him no more. You don't have any right now, but like...

I'm the only A&R now. How useful is that to you, though, to have people... It was super useful because I'm always so busy. I don't... Like, Boo was my A&R, but now he's too big. Yeah. Boo's a high... He's a high exec now.

Yeah, you know what's it? Because boo was the one that found T-Pain. Right. Everybody thought I discovered him. That was Boo that discovered pain and brought him to me. Right. Because it's like when normal people think about it, it's like when you're ACON and you're, you have options to play concerts and make X amount of money or put out an album, make X amount of money. It's kind of like hard for people and myself included to fathom that then you're also able to be having enough time to look at up and coming artists and like see the potential of building them up.

Right. That's super impressive. You're right. Because me, my process is I find the talent. We develop it. then put it out. Versus, oh, that nigga ready. They ain't never ready when you first find them.

Because they got the potential now, but it's so much mentally that they need to see, so much mentally that they need to learn, understand how the game works, for them to longevity. Like, he was there with me. Prime example, we had a group called Rock City. Yeah.

Two brothers, again. Family is everything for me, right? Monster. I mean, when I tell you, these guys got to be one of the best performers I've ever seen. great songwriters. They got the nap, the drive, everything, right?

But the only difference was at that time, they had a lot of people talking to them. And most of the people that was talking to them had never done it before. So because there was more people out there talking than them, and I'm over here moving to the way I'm moving, and they're not the only artist, by the way, because that's always where they pick at.

I mean, he got mad, other artists, he ain't focused on y'all, da-da. They're thinking this. So my thing is, okay, guys, I'm a bill y'all as touring artists because y'all are amazing performers and touring you won't make money forever when music ain't popping

and I mean when your career ain't popping we got hits out there you can always tour on them and you can be going forever we build songs that was set up for them to tour I take them on tour me to Canada them niggas body the whole tour but in the center of the tour right in the middle of it when everything is starting to come in their direction

they want to go chase money because at the time and I love his manager by the way It's Monday. We stayed debating. They got some writers. They got some songs. They're supposed to be writing for other artists.

And they leave the tour to go do that. Long story short, they end up not becoming the artist I thought they was going to be. The songs didn't get enough attention so that the song just didn't work. Needless to say, they left a $100 million business to focus on that quick dollar that was waiting on them. So for a few years, they were struggling on the artistry side. But I say, guys, the only reason why I signed y'all, because y'all are multi-talented, y'all can perform, y'all great artists, y'all songwriters, y'all producers. Focus on that production.

Focus on the songwriting. The wave on the music side, bingo. Y'all ain't going to catch that no more. Y'all had that opportunity. They're here no more. So focus on the writing. If you don't do nothing else, that shit would be – because I'm always looking at the sustainable paper, right?

The shit that's going to be around after your career is going when you get to the point where like, man, you know what, I'm done. Cool, that mailbox money, it's going to come from publishing, and you don't have to get up to go tour, but that tour money is money that never stops and you've got hits out there. You just can't be lazy. Right.

Needless to say, they end up being great songwriters because they ended up harnessing folks in on now. One thing they're doing, massive, like 40% of the hits that you're hearing now is from them kids, and you'll probably even know unless you read the credits. Really? But had they followed the touring perspective, they'd have been touring the globe,

making hundreds of millions, and writing while they're on the road. Right. Because writing, you could do that from the hotel room. Yeah, that's a fact. On the tour bus. Man, when I'm on tour, I don't go on tour without a studio with my tour bus.

Really? I was wondering that, yeah. That's why we was able to supply demand. We was able to be able to supply the demand while we was on the road because, man, we get out the stage and make four or five records. Yeah. Like, we have a line at the show for beats,

choruses, songs, whatever you need it. Then we jump off, get on stage, right back to the bus, cooking. Right. Because, I mean, I feel like a lot of people, like myself included, it's like, to me, traveling fucks up my productivity because so much of what I do kind of is like focusing a place like this. Right. But when I think about something like that, it's like, damn,

maybe there's a version of that where you could be maximizing your time by traveling, but then also doing all this content or doing whatever it is on top of it. Absolutely, man. Adam, you know what the damage you can do if we promote it. that she was about to make a seven-state run and you pulling up. What am I doing? Can you imagine? Do you imagine the damage you would do, bro?

What kind of dam? As far as your interviews, they will be lined up. Like, straight up fact. And now you're putting the camera on yourself on all the BS we go through while you making this run. You get what I'm saying? Because it'd be BS, bro. From the smallest to the biggest.

I mean, niggas getting left. Motherfuckers, you know, rule number one, ain't no. Ain't no number two on the bus. You know what I'm saying? This thing got to pull over. He got to go like, yo, it's just all kind of stuff. But to show like you doing a run,

people, you know, they'd be set up to where you're going, but it'll be huge because the run is content. But that run is content. That rule exists still that you can't take a shit on the bus? Oh, we're down on our buses. No, hell no.

No number two. I don't know no number two on the bus. Okay, I didn't know that that was a thing in hip-hop. Yeah, no number. BMX, that was definitely a thing. Yeah, that's a day. Rock and roll groups. Because that's,

That shit be marinating. And if it gets hot, that shit starts, that smell, I'll smell up the shit. Yeah. After an hour, and don't let nobody eat the wrong shit. Oh, man.

That's going to smell like shit for like a week. But okay, how much cloud do you need to have in order to be able to shit on the bus and nobody else saying anything? They got to be your own bus. You ain't saying shit to Shug. Well, he ain't going to do it on the bus.

If Shug shits on the bus, you're shutting your mouth. He's not going to. Bullshit. If Diti shits on the bus, you're going to let him. You got to remember with us, bro. his own bus. That's Dug's. That's different.

But if it's a crew bus, I don't care who you are. You better be like Birdman following the bus on your bus. Yes. See, Birdman follows the bus on his bus. On his bus. You know what I'm saying? Him and slim.

I think slim. That's why majority artists would always have their own bus because they want the option to be in the number two when they can. But the crew ain't happening. That's crazy. No, but I mean, I remember that I'm always saying that Wayne would have a separate bus for, like, just the studio. Yeah.

Maybe you could shit in there too. We did. We gave NL. Lee Chopper, he's hit on the studio bus. Shatterflow remits. We did that. I called Stunner. I said, Stunter. We're going out on tour, but I need studio bus.

So he sent us the studio bus. We did that rolling, literally moving on the highway. Wow. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So where's your relationship come from, though? Like, how do you guys actually really know what you?

I met, I met, kind, rest in peace. con was he had gave my comrade great opportunity to tea money and um so i knew tea money was over there already doing business with con so before i even met con con con already had my grace so back then back then in these streets right here it was kind of like either because it was for you you was against you right and when you was dealing with people that cats knew and people knew you was like showing him love, he would show up places and people would seem and he'd be like, they'd be like, we're with you because of who he's dealing with. You get what I'm saying?

And then he hired two T's, actually hired Big D, which is from my neighborhood as security and then Big D brought on two T's. Hey, did you, you know how I met them, niggas? Big D and two T? I don't know how you, I know Big D brought two T's because he left game. Yeah. Actually, it was. But I don't know how you.

You met Big D. I met Big D and two T's during the game. Matt, we was in Australia. In Australia. We was in Australia. Game had just got up the stage. And then I got on. And I was,

that was my young wild days, but I would always react to an ignorant-ass nigga in the crowd all the time. Like, I just... Yeah, he was jumping. I would react. He would jump in the crowd. My biggest thing was disrespect.

Like, and the last thing you can do is disrespect me in front of people. Like, nigga, I'm in front of 20,000 people. Like, we just got the arena. Somebody said something so, stupid, and I just dropped the mic and ran towards them, like literally off the stage straight towards the dude. And as I'm doing that, Big D right behind me.

I ain't even know him. I ain't even know Big D. He just took, he just, I think it was his instinct. He just literally ran behind me. And by the time I got there, a homie didn't ran out the arena. But he had his homies there ready to square up with me. So we were ready to squabble up. Big D, yeah, Big D came right behind me.

When that nigga still behind me, I just started, niggins start turning around. Not no big fat dude. No, no, that niggas solid. That nigga solid, big old, oh, homie big old, yeah, Dee solid.

My nigga do not catch that phase. You know, we would always, we would always clown Big D. I don't know if Kahn knew this, but I'm going to let the cat out of the back. So I think back then,

Kahn asked a lot of people to know he had injured his back. You had did something. Something was wrong with, he had injured something so where they didn't want him to go in the crowd. Right, right, right. So Big D was.

put Con on his back. Like literally and walk him through the whole crowd, right? So Big D would say shit, you know, I'm in a squad day on purpose. You know what I mean? That's how he got his, you know what I'm saying? So from then, I used to pop up at cons at his concerts. And I remember one day we was in Vegas. You was doing something in Vegas.

And I said, I just wait for you all in the lobby because I was coming to talk some business with you. It's back when you had kicked off your own. merch, right? And convict stuff. And he was like, nah, whack, come on up,

right? Because crazy man was there, Borel. Oh, Borell? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Moby Dick was a goldfish, right?

Borel, um, Borel was tried to shop to you the water parks. Borel always had place. Remember the water parks? He was always had plays. So,

um, he was florist. So now Borel does the, the Floyd may be of the gyms? That's, that's Borell. He's doing all that. So,

um, um, And then from that day, we just started building. And he was like, whack, just take my number. Every time you need me, just get with me. And con noticed like, prior to anything happening, I would always call him. Khan, y'all going his way. All right, hold on, I'm going to be there.

He didn't know why I was there, but I think he started to figure out he would hear murmurs after the fact. You know what I mean? Like, okay, whack always shows up to make sure we're good, you know what I mean? And we just start building from there. We just had a relationship. You know, he called me, I answer. vice versa. You know, relationships are very important in this game, bro.

It is. Very important. No, facts. So you kind of unlearn that desire to beat someone up in the audience at some point? No, you get tired of goddamn buying a nigga house out there. Exactly, right? Because I swear every show I was buying somebody else. You see Cardi.

Cardi's going to get hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was years ago. I can't believe it's finally happening. But it's crazy what I didn't know. And she told the crowd she was hot, tossing. water on it. And somebody tossed the water on her and she tossed

the microphone at her head. That's going to cost her a house. It will. Yeah. No, it sucks. And you're going to pay it because the attorney a fuck around and cost you two houses. So it's to your benefit to just pay that. Or keep paying these attorney fees.

You're going to get hit with it. You're going to go pay defending or pay a little bit less to just settle out and move on their next. So, okay, because of your St. Louis heritage, I just wanted to throw this idea out there. We have an artist that we've been developing

that we think that you might be wise to spend some time working with. They're from St. Louis 6.07 Unk. Are you aware of him? Not aware?

He's coming out of San Luis. He's got a lot of star power. He's new, yeah. Man, you know who that is. That's the crazy nigga been on the internet. I don't be on the internet. They'd be rough.

Y'all got a showie, bro. See, that's how he's able to develop artists to do all this shit. because he's not like scrolling short-form content. Hey, he from the Ludo? You know what he is? He's a black 6-9 of 2015.

Oh, that's exciting. When he speaks, you're going to look at it. That's exciting. He's doing some antics. His eyeballs is this big. He lies about everything, but you want to hear him lie. He's going to put everything on his mind. He tells everybody that he wrote country grammar.

What Nellie's saying? I don't think Nellie's weighed in on it. Shock. Wow, yes, we... Imagine that we brought them together at some point. See, that's why six or seven and not being out here is crazy because we can't get them in the mix. That's so funny.

So, bro, the major, major things that kind of like made me start scratching my head, like, whack, you got to figure something out, is the city. When we heard word that you was building your own city. Right. Well, you're going to Senegal, where you're from, or you was going someplace different. Oh, no. The city, it's my...

It's multiple cities, actually. Oh, it's multiple. Right. Well, I remember. God is the first one. Because I remember I'm seeing you and you say, whack, I got to go to Dubai to do. It was something you was presenting the city.

I'm like, present. I'm like, hold on. I didn't do some industry shit, but I ain't never been to a city presentation. Somebody presenting a city like. Piru city. No, no.

Listen, that's got a rig to it, right? Listen, I don't know if you notice, Adam, that everything I've been doing is a step away from that. Like when they gave me a F-minus. He got a-you-talking-in-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-F-N-A-F? He did. He's still kind of hurt because he got an F-minus on the blood report card. No, I'm not.

That is a good thing. Yeah. I just want him to send that report card to all law enforcement. And Wack got an F-minus when it comes to gang, banking. That doesn't mean that you're not breaking the law. I'm not breaking the law. Just means you're being a buster while you're doing it. See, Kahn.

No. Ka'am is crazy because I just got a text this morning saying my invitation letter's coming. Oh, nice. See, a lot of like. Acon City? I've been telling my brother, too, that's for DRC. I've been, when it comes to Africa, we are so used to the Americanized way of how things work.

Over there, it works at their pace. Right? So things that we might get done in 69 months might take your ass two to three years. Well, that's what we always hear is that it's like extremely difficult to get shit done in Africa because of corruption because the- You got to actually 50 people. I wasn't paying me no attention until I started showing him certain things that you're not supposed to have unless you're dealing with the people that's control in the country. Okay.

So where are we at with the city right now? Because there's been a recent burst of media attention with people claiming that it was not happening or whatever. Yeah, where are we at with that? Yeah, we're under attack. Acon City is under attack at the moment. Really? Yeah, it's a lot of big power. Aligards, you know, the people that move the continent, the West.

You know why that is. So we had to do the research just last week, had a full team, digital team on, come to find out, they've been sending out. They've been literally sending out. We had over 23 impressions of false information related to Acon City. Really? Yeah. They were successful shutting down A-Coyne because of what that was going to do. but that was more of a public perception. You create your own currency? Yeah.

That was what the city was kind of based around. Well, it wasn't based around it, but it was a key token that would help to finance the city. I would have moved a lot faster had A-Coin not have so many challenges. Right, right. But then that's when I realized, okay, A-Coin has to stay in Africa. I can't present that outside because it poses too much of a threat, right? So then the city was something different. That's more of a confidence from the people because,

Africa creates more millionaires anywhere in the world on an annual basis. Like, it's so much money in Africa. But the problem is we don't come together and we don't unite as businessmen, right? Because had we did that, we could control the continent. But everybody makes billions in Africa, then they

ship it off to some, you know, Cayman Islands or they ship it to Swiss banks or whatever. They don't leave it there. Specific. Right. Because they don't trust the infrastructure there because most of the money that's being, that's local, it's all balanced by an outside currency. So that's why the local currency always fluctuated

and it's not really worth much when it leave the continent. So what the city was going to do, the city was going to start to create a whole different infrastructure that builds like stability. Because a city like that to be done in Africa successfully would only show that it's possible.

And if it builds confidence to other major people like myself or other billionaires or millionaires within Africa themselves, and they see that it was done, it's done, I mean, it's a possible thing that can actually be done.

They won't hesitate to move in that direction and build the areas where they're from, right? So Africa was always set up to be something that you keep to the bottom because of how much has been taken advantage of. So they can't afford for the people in Africa

to develop themselves. Acon City is a major project that's globally known now of what it can possibly do if that should happen and the kind of confidence it was set up in all. them other countries to actually produce that kind of development in their area.

So their goal is to make sure that that project has enough credibility missing from it that it don't move until they can kind of find a way to control the situation. That's what I was going to say. I know that because going through what I've been going through, right? Right. And I kind of, I learned from you because I did the opposite just to make it happen. No, what I know now? I wouldn't say it shit until.

So. But when you first announced and you was making your moves and you align yourself with certain people so what they'll do is he align itself with these people and then they'll come this way and say hey we won't end and they kind of say

well I'm dealing with these people so then they'll circumvent through the back door and when these people may have these things and these things going on outside of that they'll start to roll block these things right so giving these people know the option to kind of like let's figure out another way which slows down the process

So even in my situation, when they approach me, I learn from you and I let them in. But the only reason why I let them in is because I have a whole other country that I'm just standing alone in, which is America. No, but you're doing the right thing. You're supposed to let them in. Yeah, I let them in. Me, my first round got to be all Africans. Yeah. It has to be.

Yeah. But see, that's where you. It has to be controlled by Africa. That's why I'm doing it. Yeah. And that's where the powers did be. Right. It's like, well, hold up.

they can't be above us but who's ideologically like invested in tearing Acon City down like who like what mentality sort of whoever has interests in Africa

that this project could affect is who it is like it's clear I'm seeing the data right I'm clearly being attacked like I know it it's not even a question like but then they put out stories if they can get a story to get any kind of traction

then YouTubers grab onto it, TikTokers grab onto it, and before you know it, there's some random girl took this piece of news that she saw and now she's got, you know, 5 million views on her TikTok from basically just parroting something that is, you know,

catnip to people. They're clipping as they go. Right. Because the idea of like, oh, Acon failed dramatically at something is tantalizing to people. They want to know. He seems very successful.

Tell me how he's not actually. You know, that's like, online. is a very compelling narrative. And regardless of which you put out there, and the 30% of the world is going to believe it anyway. Even if you show it's false, 30% of those people are still going to run with it.

And when it comes up, they're going to give their false belief, period. That's just how it works. That's how it works. And then the more you see some things, you start to kind of believe it because everywhere you go, you can actually see it. Even if you don't believe it,

you're looking for something that's going to go, okay, that's not true. but when you're putting out 23 million impressions, you can only combat that for so long. Right. Right? Because normally I wouldn't even talk about it. I'll keep it quiet.

But I was like, I have to have something that I say that can combat some of that information that's going on. Otherwise, I'm going to say nothing at all. But now I was tearing into my reputation. Right. But would you say that there have been significant challenges and like what are the challenges

in terms of development? Because I think, you know, people are kind of right to say that it seems like it's been moving slower than they might have expected. Well, actually not. It hasn't been moving slow. Really?

At all. I think one of them was like, because I remember I was talking and speaking with somebody, I was overseas and it was like when you're doing something to this magnitude, you overlook small things because you just know they're going to be there. So one time somebody, I forget who it was, they mentioned getting the laborers. Right. The actual laborers to do the sanitation and all. Because you're in your mind, you tell yourself, all right, all the people with the money going to come.

But the people with the money don't do the labor, right? They don't do none of that. They don't do none of that. So now you got to come up with a way to how are you going to move the laborers from other locations to here. Right. Just basic logistics. But the beautiful part about Africa is that labor is everywhere. Yeah.

And it's cheap. That's the easy part. Like, all that's easy. Like, that's the easy part. The mistake I made was announcing it before I got started. because once I announced it, people thought it was already existed. So that's why that time that you're talking about

that seems like that's long, the moment it came on mind, I said, cool, I'm going to announce it, and then through that announcement, I'm going to find the support, I'm going to find the financing, and I'm finding the people that actually have the infrastructure to help me pull this thing together, right?

What I didn't calculate was the moment I announced it, people thought this shit was already existed. Yeah, because just the studies alone, from the environment of study, soil study, like just the studies alone took two and a half years. I just went through those studies.

Yeah, it's no joke. The studies alone. And mind you, the studies was happening during COVID when half the people and engineers couldn't even travel to Africa. They couldn't travel. So mind you, that timeline in between and people like, Akon City's coming,

and you see the video all through the internet, you're seeing the whole thing, you're seeing the idea. So people are like, yo, when are we coming? When is going to happen? And now the oligarchs are like, yo, this is actually, this is actually possible. Because we got real investors with real money.

Like we're going to put in certain amount of dollars to be a part of this thing. Right. Because, I mean, think about how much shit Dr. Umar gets for saying that he wants to build a school. A school is relatively simple in comparison to a city that will presumably have multiple schools inside of it. Right. That's sitting there, boarded up, and he ain't did nothing to and collecting. The building is there. It's in like Delaware or something.

I had somebody for my clubhouse. have go drive by and take pictures is there. Oh, yeah. Right. So the building's there. This is, this, what he, then I'm wondering, how big was the city going to be circumference, like miles? Like, how large?

It's 500 hectares, which equals to about almost 2,000 acres. Okay. So it's a small city. Oh, small city. Yeah, it's a small, that's like, almost like, what's the best example? Maybe like Toluca Lake. something like that, Sherman Oaks. More, more possibly.

But it's like, man, it's the best way to explain. I'm trying to figure out a radius that everybody know that's kind of off the cuff. You've seen the videos of it online? No, I was just wondering. No, I see it. Yeah, I see it. And it's right off the water, too. Got you.

So that's what was it. It's almost like Vegas. It's like Vegas. Well, you're going to have casinos there? The area where all the hotels and all the casinos. Okay. That little circles. There you go.

It's like about the size of small Vegas city. There you go. That's about the same size. Yeah. Like if you think Vegas, that's what that is. And what type of funding? What was I going to take? How many billions?

Originally it was done at $6 billion. Six billion. Yeah, but without a new technology now, the capability we have today, we're going to skim that down. It's going to be short, way less than that. Gotcha. Not way less, but it's going to be at least another. Yeah, we know.

We need to no jumper build in A-Caus City. Oh, my God. Don't jump or story. Yeah, but what would you say to the people who have been making videos in the past couple of weeks about the Acon City thing, like, basically trying to, you know, discredit it? Like, what would be your message to them in terms of what they're getting wrong? No, they're not getting anything wrong. They just get information that's not correct, right? It's not them because they don't know.

What I would tell them is, like, don't be so quick to just repost something. Take the time to do research. Because back in the day when you had investigative journalists, they would actually get the information. and then you get the real information, right? And I understand this entertainment. It's cool because in time, it's all going to come out anyway. It's just a matter of time. Yeah.

Right? It's going to all blow over. People are going to forget. And while they forget in the work still going on, then when I finally announce and everybody gets there, then they're going to like, oh, shit. Then you're going to look at all of those negative shit and be like, damn, this shit was no joke after all.

Like, I didn't understand how crazy the politics was. I'm now learning like, damn, this shit is, from the eyes of them is way bigger than me just building a city. because me, it was just a legacy thing for me, but I didn't realize the impact that it was going to actually bring to the continent until recently, right? So think about all of the agendas that's in Africa

and why something like this would be personal. Always ask yourself the question why there's so many negative, you know, like reports out there and it's only one side. Whenever you see things happening only one side, you've got to know it's guerrilla warfare. No, definitely.

I mean, you look at Twitter on a daily basis. I'm constantly seeing Twitter, that are basically just talking about how fucked up Africa is. And that that's like a content genre now. It is. And they do it for other places too. They want to keep you away from there. 100% reason.

Every day I look at Twitter, I get reminded, India smells bad. That's just like on Twitter, this is just such a constant source of content. And it's kind of bizarre how people like. Yeah, they want to keep you away from there. They got some beautiful places over there. You know, I'm definitely going to be putting in my bed for any constant. Are you invested in the diaper brand? Because I want to be the only...

No, that's so brilliant. I want to be the only... And I want to create incredible land for the kids. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So... Incredible land in Anchorage City is crazy. I got...

Man, why not? Why can't that be our Disneyland? Like, why can't that be our Disney? You know, Kyle, it's crazy, right? Because when you over here, we're used to seeing certain things, right? But, see, when you see shit like that, right? You know, you know what you're looking at. It's like a diaper pat?

Nah, he knows what he's looking at. See, that's that. And for him to see me, the whack that he knew, to now be in the middle of that type of situation. Wait a minute.

Right? That's why he salutes me and be like, you know what? Whenever whack calls. Because he knows where I come from, and he knows where I'm at. So when he sees that, he understands what he's looking at.

Because he's dealing with, he's dealing with those people in hire. You get what I'm saying? So that just came his morning. That's so dope. So you know what that is, right? Because he rags me by it all the time. But I get why he does it, right?

But I had to learn, because I was frustrated. I'm like, bro, it's not a easy place in business, bro. Yeah. I got 15 mines in Congo. There's no joke planned over there. Really? Congo is, you dealing with, I mean, these dudes, they kill a gorilla with their bare hands. Really?

Oh, yeah. They seriously. You don't go over there unless you would up under the right. Okay. Period. It doesn't seem like the ideal environment to build a diaper. You got to pick a side. You got to pick the size.

Yes, he does. No, it is. You better look at the population. Nigeria's next. You're looking at the next billionaire right now. With that business in Africa, I promise you. See, it's one thing. Do they not have diapers already?

No, no, you're missing the point. I'm going to be incredible diapers, right, will be the only diaper company with factories that are, that is manufacturing in Africa based in Congress. shipping back to the U.S., but because of the people I stand with, we are the diaper of the country. So just in Congo alone, he's going to monopolize it.

Right. That partnership. He's going to end up being like a warlord or something. You don't want to see him operating in an environment in which there's a lot of corruption because he's someone who loves corruption. For sure, I just imagine you're getting in some real trouble out there. You know what was crazy.

He don't know the whack, you know. I can see him getting into like arms supply. He could be like a weapons distributor. You know what I'm saying? Like, who do you see it? But yo, the old whack, I can see him being an arms dealer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All day.

No, I think he gets by his dealer. I don't know. You might think he's changed more than he actually has. He knows me. Bro, like he know. And the whack I know, definitely changed. Yeah, really? Man, I'm a 360.

I think he got worse. So, con, listen, man, they always asked me this Because I seen it, but I missed it. Right. I was right behind you. What brought you to 6-9? What brought me to? To allow him, because you let him use, you let him remix.

They're locked up. Locked up. So it's like a troll, or what was your thought? Actually, I didn't see him as a troll. When I saw him, I saw a potential in the kid that knew how to market. Like, he was a brilliant market. You remember when I got the game, I said, I know you might be going against this one,

but I think you need to be a part of this one, because we need to protect them. That's a fact. And when I said that, right? I never told people about who was like. Right. And when Kahn told me that, because people were like,

yo, why did you make that move? Right. And Kahn, he put it into a perspective, like, he told me, so he said, whack, how many people we didn't have been around and then we found out later on that they've been telling pride of us being around them. He says, so we didn't help people like that already.

not even knowing it. Right. He said, so let's factor that out. And look at what's in front of us. Period. And he's a kid, by the way.

It's our job, bro. It's our job to direct them niggas in the right way. He's surrounded by a whole bunch of knuckaheads. Like, shoddy and them, those are my little niggas.

Like, I love them to death. But they was doing a wrong thing by him at that time. And that's just being real. So you see a path towards rehabilitation for somebody like him who's realistically one of the most well-known snitches in his.

hip hop? Like, how does that work in your mind? How it worked? I was actually confused because I was trying to understand why the culture was giving him that much credit. For real. He was only a what, 19 year old kid, 20 year old kid. They made him big.

They made him big. It's like, how is he more important than the people we know? Yeah, he made him big. Understand, like, we know some certified, like legitimate, like these niggas built the game. And they're all cooperated. It was because so many... What we're talking about... What influences are hip-hop.

But who's told that is like that, you know, prevalent in the culture that didn't get called out for it? This is your whole thing. This is what you do. But why him, though? What makes him so special? Because he was like the biggest rapper of that year. No, he was the biggest troller of that year. But the music was huge, too.

And people were so fascinated because it's like, how do you let this little tell? tattooed Mexican kid into this, like, very serious blood set. You know, to people, they couldn't wrap their head around. It was so fascinating. He's in New York. How many major rappers right now are tied around bloods? Man, that shit is a lot. The run industry right now.

But he's a little fucking, he looks like a soundcloth. He looks like a little punk with more face tattoos, but he's in this real serious gang. You know, like people obviously can't look away from that kind of thing. They all in a serious gang. This is the part that I didn't understand. Okay. First of all, why him? number one.

Nobody could never give me that answer. Number two, what made him snitch so powerful to the point of it affected everybody? Well, it got mad people locked up, right? Boy, we didn't seem, man. But like, okay,

let's just say hypothetically he was wrong for snitching. He was, hold on. You got to correct yourself. They were going anyway. No, that's what I'm trying to say. They were already on them phones. They were,

if he wouldn't have snitching. But why are you guys shooting him bail that you wouldn't give anybody else in the same situation? No, no, no, no. I'm trying to paint the situation on why I felt like it was important to protect him in that situation, right? First of all, he wasn't, he's not a street guy. He's an entertainer. Right. He's surrounded by young street niggas.

Yeah, they were all making crazy decisions, but everybody around him knew that he wasn't street. Everybody knew that if he was ever to be caught in that situation or whatever situation, he wasn't built to resist. But he was doing stuff that street dudes. You know, he was calling it hits on Chief Keefe on FaceTime, on camera, all that kind of stuff. He was the promoter of what was happening.

He was having fun. The same way. I know that's fun, but it's also illegal. It's also a crime. No, no, but he was the promoter of what was happening around him. He wasn't doing it.

He was, you know what he told me? He was allegedly paying for it. He was actually the hit. He was the hit. Had not not pulling him. out, six nine to be dead. That's a fact. He was, he was the hit. And he was the hit by the people that was supposed to be protecting him.

Listen, he said, I just got a kick to them dudes really going to do it when I said so. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. As a kid, he's like, yo, they really would go. So he just, well, let me try it again. Like, but it's the dudes around him. You know you're not supposed to be entertaining this.

Period. He's supposed to went to the studio, went to the club, went to the stage, Let his little ass go back home. Done. I asked him, I said, bro, how in the here did you get all them dudes with them bandanas in the video? He said, I stopped at the bodega, brought all the red bandanas, pulled up, turned and jumped out and started handing them up. And I used to think that that was a pretty unique thing, but I've actually seen that happen at a bunch of music videos now. You go on Amazon, you can buy like a hundred pack of red bandanas.

Yeah, all these guys are marketers, man. He's a brilliant marketer. That's true. And he pulled, he pulled, he pulled the, he pulled. a play out of 50 cents book. It worked for 50. And he told me one thing when I, he told me this one thing that made me say,

this little nigga understands marketing. That's what I said, listen. He said, Khan, when you watch a movie, who do you remember, the hero or the villain? You never forget the villain.

Never. Why? Because the villain always gets, you emotionally. And he's, he looked at the numbers. He said, bro, I get more hate messages than I get positive.

You know that. but guess what for every click nigga he gets paper oh so number one we could get a hundred red bandanas for 50 bucks on amazon look at amazing but in addition to that okay but what what is what does six nine need to do now to get people to pay attention to because it feels like whatever super now just come back and clean up whatever superpower you had before though seems like it's kind of worn off he just can't capture people's imagination like he used to it can't be the six 90s in america He needs to go jelly roll. He needs to be a country singer.

If you go to Mexico City, there's a mural of him on the wall. Put place there when he was invited down there by the people. That is the shame of Mexico City, by the way. You can't celebrate a snitch like that. He goes down there and he goes to the villages. They fly him down there, the people, the powers to be, and he kicks it with their kids. This is why I tell people. You see who he did his last deal with, cartel music.

Right. So you're saying he's actually. in a cartel now. No, I'm saying he does business with the right people. You get what I'm saying? Man, when you're going back, because me and my brother say we're coming to Acon City together. You know, I go

to the DR once a year and go kicking with my brother. Our brother. It's not exactly next door to the DR, right? No. No, but we're talking about Haitian Jack because he can't come over here. That's our brother. So I got to go over there and see him. Right. You know what I mean? But that's all

brother, brother. So, okay, I went to Cape Town in 2014 for a week on a BMX trip, and I haven't really even thought about going to Africa since then. Like, if I were to, aside from Acorn City, obviously, what should I experience in Africa that would really give me a full picture of the continent? That's the thing. I can't really tell you what to experience because you're going to experience all that shit. You're going to be telling me what you experienced.

Right. Because the thing is, you're already going with a false narrative of what you think is going to be. So from the moment you land, you're going to already be shocked. True. I was definitely shocked on a Cape Town. As long as you don't experience Casablanca, you'd be all right. What does that mean? The nigger they kidnapped big.

Oh, no, no, no. You're talking about Rikina. That's my dog, though. He does a respectable kid. If I could not get kidnapped, I would probably be pretty happy. He doesn't respect to a show. Great show. Tomorrow you got to lead to Europe, right?

He comes to your hotel. My people love the show so much. You do it one more time. The money's already in your account. You stay one more day. Then you go. No, we got to go to Europe. No.

Actually, I brought people to make. sure you're comfortable. He got the military. These niggas on leashes, AK-47. Hey, hey, yo. Oh, he told you about, no, he ain't lying. When I tell you how many people I got out of there? Bro. Because Rikina will listen to me. Somebody's like, Rikino, you can't, Rikina. Don't worry. He sent you the money, though, and already been in their account. You already sent you. He'll come in the briefcase in cash. No, he ain't playing not playing. Wow. You don't remember when Nass's manager was. went over there and they wouldn't release

the manager in the sun? Like three, four years ago. Really? How was that? Yeah. God damn. So, wait, okay, when I was going through your catalog over the last 24 hours since I found out we were going to do the same interview,

so like you, your last like more mainstream R&B type pop project was 2020. And since then, most of the stuff you've released have been more in the Afro B type genre, etc. Like the Afro freak series and all this? Yeah, Afro and I'm a piano. around that time I was doing it so I can find a way

in the vehicle to kind of keep pushing the Afro beat narrative. Right. Right? Because the whole, since 2008, we've been trying to push that shit and make it international. So now that we had that wave, I wanted to continue to just keep the algorithm more before that. So these were specialty albums more from a strategic perspective.

Right. So that's why I didn't even promote them. Right. Okay. So, like, in terms of making the other type of sort of classic ACON style of music, is that something you feel like you're past? Or is that something that is just kind of on the shelf as you sort of pursue other styles?

Hold on. The new album I'm going to have it. The new album I'm dropping is going to happen. Like, me, like again, I use music as a vehicle. Like, so depending on what I'm working on and what business I'm promoting or what opportunity is there, determine the kind of music I put out. Man, you're going to, if you look right now, I got fans that don't even know I had a number one Spanish album.

It's crazy. The album's debut number one on the Spanish charts. Happy Out of niggas don't even know it. Right. And that was around time. I was trying to get that electricity contract in Puerto Rico during the West. The coldest stunt, I've seen you bull. And I got to say this is when I'm looking up, and I think you don't only want to do this.

And I'm seeing Crayola has changed the name from black to Acon Black. That really happened. That's a fact. Yeah, I got a color. Acon Black. What? That's dope. It's damn there purple, but it's black.

I said, yo, bro, awesome. So I'm asking myself, how is he positioning himself to be in this lane? That is, that's the thing you have to figure out. It's one thing, okay, you're somebody. But to position yourself to be in that lane to those kind of people to see you. Right.

It's where it's that. And that's the reason why you always be successful because day one, when people just thought you was the, artists with all these hits. And I'm going to be real. We got to give him credit here. Khan didn't have a bunch of 16, 316 verse songs.

This Negro was torn off hooks and quick runs. Yeah. But the people was going crazy. Remember the pool parties used to doing Vegas? Oh, my goodness. Nuts. I'm like, bro. It ain't like game.

Game got two hours of goddamn. Khan got hooks, some bridges, verse here. in there and they were showing up selling out ready to fighting a lot because they couldn't get in yeah wait chat gbt is not aware of this acon color color

10 years ago wait really was it that was before even the internet oh wait really so it was like a timbrey thing I thought you were saying there was like a permanent name change no he had a crayon color they put it in a box we did a whole marketing campaign oh really yeah man we sold about 5 million boxes of crayons yeah Icon black

I need to feed this information to Shab JBTBT so they could be more accurate the next time somebody asks about this. Chab JPD is still updating. Like it's still learning machine. I mean, stuff that never made its way onto the internet. They have no idea. It's going to go popular.

The next time, yep, it's going to populate. Next time you're going to probably see all the runs of sales, everything. And you know what? I salute you too, bro, because I've seen your lifestyle and you was always humble. I learned that from you. No, that's what I'm saying.

You know, like, I know what I'm saying? And not only that, your family life. A lot of people, you know, Acon, is African. So he ain't just had one wife. Right. But you can't name his wives. Anybody else you can get us, we can get you a line up on the people they with. Yeah, how do you keep that so secret?

That's what I'm saying. How do you keep your private life so secret? I'm not talking about it with niggins like, yo. But is that, like, is there a part of you that wants to post, A meaningful moment? No, you're totally comfortable leaving all that offline. Listen, the public will fuck up any good situation. He's been good a day.

When it comes to your life, you know, relationships, keep that shit far away from the internet as possible. You've been good a day. You want to keep it successful. Are you still looking for new female talent, though? Oh, yeah. For your private life? No.

No. Oh, okay. It's entertainment. And I want to salute you for everything you did for T-Money, our brother. No, that's my dog. And for dollar, rest of peace. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, you know, you did a whole thing. whole lot, open up a whole lot of doors, man. I like, that's why when your name comes up, I'm like, bro, I didn't see that dude been over by, and this is at a time where he's building himself as an artist, but he's still building other artists, open

up doors, going into bills as not his to represent this artist to get them a check, whether he signed him or not, like, he was just doing so much for people, what you did for job. That's love. He was fresh out of his fed, you know what I mean? So, setting him up. Calvin Klein, too, because Calvin

Klein was one that introduced me to Jai. Jai was actually still in jail. Klein had just got out. And then when I put Klein on him, just like L, he was like, yo, man, my right hands and my brother, he won't be coming out for him, you know, just to look out for him. And when I met Jai, we locked there immediately. Jaya, the one checked that chin.

Yeah. Knocks your ass out, one hit a quarter. He's stretched out with the little bird he's flying around. That's a fact. See, that's the number one thing in life I'm trying to avoid. Oh, no. Just like a really dramatic knockout. You're going to get it.

I think it's going to be like a midget or something. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to jump on a stool. Jump off a loading dog. It's going to be dramatic for real. But the good thing about knockouts, you never know what happened to you. So listen.

Yeah, I've had that. Yeah. Until you wake up, right? Yeah. So my question to y'all, what can the fans expect from y'all project-wise, feature-wise? We got an EP. We got a single coming.

I know y'all to run. What could they expect and when can they expect? Sheesh. Right now we got air mattress out that just dropped like two weeks ago. That's 12 tracks. That's a mixtape. Dope. Yeah, now you go.

It's a lot of bars, a lot of high energy on there. It's just getting you ready for the album. Air mattress. Yeah, air mattress. What's the name of your group? Sheesh. Okay, sheesh. Also, when they hear the music, sheesh.

Sheesh. Sheesh. How many E's in the sheesh? Two. Shees. If somebody were to stretch it out a little bit. That's fine, too. That's cool.

That could be a dope concept for every billion views we're going to add an E. There you go. Hey, I like that. Yeah, we got our new single with our big brother, Ghetto Living on YouTube. It's at 3 million views right now. You just dropped that shit. Yeah. That dropped recently three weeks ago, four weeks ago, something like that.

Got you guys on all platforms right now. All platforms. Follow us on all social media is at Shish, S-H-E-E-S-H-H-O-N-V-I-C-T. That's a fact. As I'm sitting here, I'm realizing that in my mind, ACON is very much like a superhero. He's like solid. He's like unblemished. He seems like he will never grow old.

He seems like a workaholic. You know, it's 8. he's in here casually. He's just like he's cranking out music. He's touring. He's finding new artists. He's building a city somehow, which is kind of a superhero thing. A lot of superheroes kind of have their own city.

Yeah, it feels like, like, you know, where does the motivation come from for you to keep grinding your ass off? It feels like you're just like unstoppable. Actually, I'm unstoppable. They're trying to stop me now. All they can do is slow it down, but they're going to stop it. Okay. Yeah, man.

But the motivation actually comes from just, It's like setting it from an example perspective, right? But me right now, it's about legacy building, to be honest. Everything I'm doing now, I think is going to carry my legacy into the next stage. Yeah. For sure. And also, I want to add this in about the mixtape too. It's produced by our brothers, Espy and E. White and press play.

So shout out to him as well. Press player. That's my producer. Yeah. He was his one back first. He got the intro. Yo, but I'll listen. I'll tell you a funny story.

I will let him tell you. he got started from the old Wackways. We had a garage. We turned into the studio, but we didn't have no equipment. So back then, Press Play's name was Buckwheat. That's why that nigga Presseroy.

His name was Buckwheat. Oh, okay. He actually could rap as well. Wait, Press can wrap too? He can rap, right? His name was Buckwheat. And he started off on the nine-track O-2R board, right? And we didn't have no receipt for the board, right?

But that's a whole other story, right? But shout out the press play. That's a good name, man. I got 26 years in with him. Oh, that's what so. He's a good dude for show, man. That's my name. That's DJ.

That's DJ Mackey's uncle. Mackey that was running with Flacco for a minute. The little youngster, that's his uncle. So, yeah, that's family. So I know he delivered you some heat. Yeah, he got the intro. And you know what I mean? I got a couple tracks on there.

I produced my brother, Espion, white, they got the rest of it. And I'm gonna tell you this, too. Because I know him. That ain't no act. Dude, just that loyal. No, he is. He embraces the brand.

It becomes the brand. You start looking up like, man, nigga, you running with this harder than us. That's him. He just sent me a couple packs. No, that's him. Check out. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's him. Shout out COE, 5, 7. No, no, about this, C. L-C-C-Indiana. You know what I'm saying? My homie, Ha-Mae, AC, Luan, Fresh, Brody, Jack.

What up three? Yeah, everybody. Yeah. Like we won an award in this, motherfucker. For sure. You know, jump is the big thing out there for you. So, got a shout out the family. I got a question.

Why is T-Pain always hating on Drake? On Drake? Yeah. He does he? Yeah. Drake's fucking pointed this out. He's like, T-Pain never misses an opportunity

to kind of throw shade of him. Because I know you and T-Pain had a complex relationship over the years. Who? Me and Payne? Yeah. That's my brother. I love him to death. Right.

Pain never had a shoot. You guys have kind of like competed a bit, right? Him and Budo, they like real brothers. They always going back and four. I'm always the one breaking the niggas up. They love each other. T. Payne was a monster. No, he's still a monster.

Pain is a different, he's like, he's an alien. That nigga so talented, man. Oh my goodness. Pain is a different type of dude. You and T. Payne and the Versus? Do you think you got that? I could never do that. He's my artist.

Me and Painter versus. You can still compete just for the love of the game. ain't going to do it. Anything that he's not going to. So, yeah, I noticed in your drink champs interview that they were trying to get you to choose between all these different things and you fucked with both and you were just like,

nah, not. Like, I feel like you, part of your longevity is like choosing not to take a side. Hey, bro, down to when we used to be at the shows in the concerts and the chicks come back, if he had an inkling that anybody in the crew had their eye on that shit, he wouldn't even talk to her.

Really? He wouldn't deal with her. that's always been him. He ain't going against his people for nothing, about nothing. But you're the alpha in that situation. You've got to show them what's up. That's what I'm saying.

The beauty of being the alpha is like, he's different. Y'all can, like, they all are here for us, right? So you got a better chance if they feel like they can get through you to get to me, then me, like, think about it. They all here really for me. The bitches are here for me.

Let's be honest. But my thing is, if the chicks feel like, like, okay, I ain't showing them no motion, but this one over, these are my family members. They're going to try to go through them to get to me. That's a bad. And I got choices, so it's not like I'm, I need it. I'd rather them

niggas eat first. I mean, literally eat first. Yo, what's that about? Yeah, I don't know. No, Joe. I feel like it's impossible for a normal human being to understand how much vagina is potentially available to ACON at an average

tour stop. Would you say that but the average person just like doesn't get it. Yeah. And then if they found out where niggas was staying really? It was over. Yeah. It was a bra. Bro, have you ever seen the elevator go up and down because the people wouldn't get off to elevator? We running this nigga through the fire escape. They wouldn't get off the elevator.

It was crazy. I was like, yo, what the fucking? And back then, you know, he walking around, shirt off. He chiseled up because they all working out. Yeah, we stayed working out. His whole security team was working out. And you know, he had that melodic vibe back then. He talking gangster shit in a melodic way. And he was the only one like him in the game.

Yeah. Does that fan energy turn you off at a certain point, though, especially at this point in your life? Never. Never. Whenever you think about it, you got to stop and ask yourself, okay, would you rather them put that energy on you? Or would you rather them just look at your ass and walk past

because they don't know who the fuck you are? No, for sure. I mean, but having sex with someone who's like a super crazy psycho fan is like a certain different risk, right? I mean, I can't really speak on it now, but back then, I prefer the fan. Really? The super psycho fan. Really? That's like him encouraging people.

Like, be this level of fan. You might get to have sex with me one day. You can enjoy it a lot better. I promise you. Listen, man, I'm going to manager mode because you told me something before we came in here and it's that time. Right? So that's just me always being respect for you. You're supposed to, like, non-mentioned the fact that we went over the time.

No, no, it's that time. We came in the 9-13. We came in at 813. He said a hard hour is 9-13. So, but this is why I kind of fucks with me. And he knows that I can, well, one thing he knows, he told me, said, whack, I didn't see you run point on security, management, labels, album clearance. Like, bro, you, you do it all.

So, you know, because I know him sitting there, it's never been his job to keep track of time. has always been other people's jobs to keep track of time. And these are his artists. And he's used to being managed. And he's managing him. But you didn't come in here with the manager today, did you? No, but that's why he told me what he told. Well, shit.

But that's why he told me what he told me. I knew what he was doing. Hey, I got a hard out. Y'all got one out. It's just like usually someone in his position, there's like one or more people that are kind of like running things. Yeah, but he knew he was coming. You're more comfortable.

in that position. He knew when he was coming. If he was just been going to someone, it probably would have been that. Yeah, like yesterday it was a little different. They met us there before we even got there. What did you ask yesterday? No.

We had a promo one. We put on the she shit right now. You know, when I called him out to do the crazy shit with the crazy dude, right? What crazy dude? What was the name again? The pedophiles. Yeah. Dude, right?

What? I had con to a segment. What the dude? He in jail. I would see him somewhere. He got a pilot or something. Yeah. over there fucking around.

They locked him up until you should go help him. He in Thailand, looking at about three to five years. No. Because he was running around the dude, I put you on the phone with it. I forget his name, man.

The dude I was doing the catch the predator. Chris Hanson. No, the other dude. The white dude, I put you on line with him. You had me called. You wanted me to... Damn, I just...

I took con game. I took a bunch of people on it. Yeah, Vitale. Fatali. Vitali went over there trolling. He was trolling the citizens and they locked. his ass. No, they got him locked up in Bangladesh, but I think he's about to get out.

Some shit. I don't know. He's looking like a couple years. They were talking about him doing 20 years in there. He put over there a couple months locked up. Are you serious? Yeah. And they got all kinds of videos about the prisons. The prisons are fucked. No, but he's in Bangladesh. I think so, yeah. I thought he was in Thailand. Because you know about news. You know about news. You know, they do live streams in public and just fuck with these random people. It's pretty fucked up. They locked his ass, sir. They weren't playing. But even when he came to that, he know he's coming to me. So when he got there is normal program. security there, park locked down. So it's just like, and I love that I've earned that trust in a lot of these people. You would never find nobody until you, Wack set them up, Wack got you a Rack might have got your jury back, and make sure you didn't pay nothing.

Or Wack did any of that when it comes to this business of this industry. You ain't going to find it. Now, yep, he kept his hands clean for sure. That way. All right. A-Con, appreciate you, man. I appreciate y'all, man. Shout out to Sheesh as well.

Sheesh. Yeah, yes, sir. Everybody to pick this shit out. Shout out to Wack for making this happen. A-Con, Adam, Wack, Shee, Shee! And we out.