No Jumper - Bang Em Smurf on Falling Out with 50 Cent, Getting Deported & More

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Adam and Almighty talk to Bang Em Smurf about his rise, early days in New York, being in the streets, his relationship with 50 Cent, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:00 Introduction to Bang 'Em Smurf and Adam asks about his upbringing, moving to New York from Trinidad 3:05 Bang 'Em Smurf on starting to hustle at a very young age 5:15 Bang 'Em Smurf talks about being introduced to sports by a local hustler 6:20 Bang 'Em Smurf on being a sh__ter at the age of 12 7:10 Bang 'Em Smurf talks about the Lost Boyz crew in New York 9:30 Suspect asks Bang 'Em Smurf how his mom felt about him hustling at a young age and run-in with the law 11:04 Bang 'Em Smurf on facing 10 years after his first case at age 13 12:20 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf about meeting 50 Cent at age 14, says he was a bully 14:40 Bang 'Em Smurf on how him and 50 Cent grew their relationship after meeting and hustling together and knowing him before working on music 16:20 Bang 'Em Smurf on the time that 50 Cent was starting to make music and being in the "Murder One" video 17:10 Bang 'Em Smurf talks about the time 50 Cent got shot and took on some of his beef 19:20 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf what the plan was once 50 Cent got signed 22:00 Suspect asks Bang 'Em Smurf about the reaction when "How To Rob" dropped 23:03 Bang 'Em Smurf on G-Unit starting up and working on mixtapes with Tony Yayo and meeting Lloyd Banks 25:10 Bang 'Em Smurf talks about the mixtape reaching Eminem and co-signing him with Dr. Dre 26:20 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf about how the crew fell apart while on tour and fighting the road manager 31:20 Adam talks about rappers who get signed not changing up their life on the streets while 50 Cent left the street life behind once he got famous 34:30 Bang 'Em Smurf reacting to 50 Cent saying "He’s like a God to them" 35:30 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf if he ever saw 50 Cent before the Summer Jam Event 37:55 Bang Em Smurf on running up on 50 Cent at Summer Jam and getting water thrown on him 43:45 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf about getting deported back to Trinidad for not being a citizen 45:00 Bang 'Em Smurf talks about helping out his community and meeting the stars when they go out to Trinidad 46:45 Adam asks Bang 'Em Smurf about what keeps him motivated while living in Trinidad and if he and 50 Cent will ever be cool again ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And I'm here today with my boy, Almighty Suspect. And we are engaging in a conversation with a very, very important man. It has a very important story that we got to tell. My man, Bangham Smart is on the line. How you doing, man? Hey, man, what's up, brother, man? Everything blessed. I can't complain, man. Thank you for having me on this platform, because it's a huge platform. You ain't have to have me on it. I don't know. I definitely appreciate that. We're always down to talk about some hip-hop history and find out somebody's at and everything. I mean, we were doing a drill interview the other day with, I can't

remember. Ron Suno. It was Ron Suno. Right. So he was saying some like, bang him. He's like, I invented Bangham. And I was like, you don't know about Bangham Smurf though. And he's a younger guy, so he really didn't know what I was talking about. And that just kind of sparked it. And somehow we started the conversation. We're like, let's have a conversation. That's crazy. I didn't know who Bangham Smurf is. That's what made me reach out to you. I'd be checking you out before the podcast. When you used to go through the hood in L.A. and all that with the ball. I had you in the hug with all the gangsters. Yeah, back before I settled down.

The vlogs. Nah, but them joints was hard, though. I used to tap in with them joint. Hell yeah. All the hugs in L.A. and all that. Appreciate it, man. So, all right, let's go back to the beginning of all this. Tell us about your upbringing in New York.

Or it started in New York, right? I landed there in 88. Okay. That was the prime time of hip-hop, because I was born in. Trinidad. So my family migrated from Trinidad to New York in 88. I actually landed in Brooklyn first. Okay. I moved to Queens in 91. Did. So that's what I did. Do you got any early Trinidad memories? Like before you came here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I got a lot of memories, my kids used to be police. She used to have me playing with guns in. I was little down here.

And all I mean, my mom's was a fighter. She used to braw. So I got them kind of stories. I remember with them join. You know, me as a kid, you know, swinging from tree to tree thinking I was Tarzan, running around, bed-footed and all that, you know what I mean? Because back then in the 80s, it was real. It was different, no lights. Down there, everything was dirt roads and all that.

Third world country activities. Yeah, third world vibe. And so your parents just wanted a better life in New York, or what was their goal there? Yeah, they wanted a better life, you know, because back then, a lot of people was migrated in the 80s for opportunities. You know, so my aunt went out there first for college. You know, she had a scholarship.

She went out there for college, wound up getting married, and then she filed for everybody and whole family went up there. So what was it like adapting to New York at that time? I was young. I was like six. Okay. So I just, wherever my mother was that, I was good, you are?

Right. But adapting to that lifestyle, it was different because, remember, I came from the bush, the jungle-type vibe, to seeing big buildings, You know what I mean? Everybody's fly on the block, the cars, the gold chains, you did. Yeah, so, you know, the experience was a whole different environment.

Right. So did you get entranced by the hustler mentality and lifestyle from our early age? Oh, yeah, I grasped that early. Because in Brooklyn, I used to live on East 34 between Snyder and Tilling. That's Flatbush and all that. Shout out to the whole Brooklyn. And my building, I used to live on the third floor. So my building, seeing the whole block, my window on the bedroom, I'm seeing the whole block. I'm seeing everything.

The drug sales who getting beat up. Yeah, I'm seeing everything. So, yeah, I got, I caught on fast, you know what I mean? I was outside early too, and then I had my big cousins and them out there. So they used to hold me down, had me doing real wild back then. They used to call me dead devil when I was younger. When you took? I'm fresh from Trinidad.

Yeah, so I was little wilder than them. Remember, I'm from Trinidad, climbing trees and wilders. So they say I'm jumping from roof to roof, doing all kinds. They used to call me dead devil. You did? Damn, all right. Back then in Brooklyn.

Did you ever get like any, did you ever get like teased in school for being from a different country? Like early on? You know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Of course I did. You know, when I moved to America and started going to school, the kids used to think I was Haitian. Back then, in the 80s, early 90s, any Caribbean allies.

they used to think it was Haitian because either you're Haitian or Jamaican you're? Yeah, so I used to get in a lot of fights back then. Definitely. So, I mean, when did you move to Queens? What were you out? 91. Okay. At what age?

I was 10. 10. Okay, so you're still a young guy and you moved to Queens. Yeah. I moved to Rosdale, Queens, you know. And that's where I started to meet everybody. You dig, and that's when I really started hustling and all that. I already had the, their ambition and get to the ground

because I was in Brooklyn and everybody in Brooklyn was fly so when I moved to Queens it was like I went from the buildings to living in the house now, you are? Because Rose Queens is different than Brooklyn. So it's like you went from living in an apartment building

now you're living in the house, you got grass, you got gait around your joint, you are? So it's a little nicer. Yeah, it was definitely nicer, but same activities because I moved across right across the street from my house was the drug house, a drug block. I mean a drug house

selling drugs right across there so it was a better place but the activities are still there so you just went over and volunteered your services you went to the crack house across the street and you were just like hey I'd like to get involved

no actually I got good with one of the guys that was hustling because he was older than me and he liked me because I stood out from the other kids and I was real hard-headed than me but he showed me introduced me to sports back then. So before they even give me a pack or whatever,

like we used to play sports. Like my mother had me playing all the sports. I was in baseball, football, basketball, you know what I mean? So the hustle actually introduced me to sports. Like, yo, because he was a coach. He used to coach the teams, the little kids and all that. So they were like, yo, come join, you know what I'm not? Definitely.

So I'm going to be real, like, from listening to what you said in your songs and how people talk about you, it seems pretty clear that at one point in your you became a shooter. Yeah, yeah. Was that at a young age or that come later? No, that was like 12, man. Really? And did it feel kind of normal at that time?

Or was it like, oh, I'm like the one dude from this area who's really down to get down like that? Now, you had a lot of dudes my age that was getting busy and getting money that time in Queens because that ever in Queen, early 90s, everybody was getting money. You got all the young boys was getting money. So you had a lot of kids.

young boys was active. So is that when you started to meet some of the later members who ended up becoming the original G-Unit members? Nah, man. This really pre-dates that. Yeah, this is way before that because before we even started the G-U unit, like I said, the Lost Boys was the biggest movement ever in Queens. Can you dive into the Lost Boys?

Yeah, so I was a lost boy first. So like at that age, 12, 13, 14, I was a lost boy. I moved from a Freaky Time Mr. Cheek'sler. How I got introduced to the loss I told you I was living in Rosedale Queens at the time So I was over at my homie Bowhouse in Rosedale

And they had this guy Like this guy was just different Like His name was silky at the time Before I got to know him But he had a dirt bike He was just fly Always stood out

Like something special about this guy But me and him became close And this was freaky tile Little homie From 1 3 4 God We were lost board So that's how I migrated

The South Jamaica Queens I linked up with Silky, and Silky was a hustler. That's what I was saying around 12, 13, I was getting active. So around 12, 13, we're going out of town. We selling crap. You know what I mean?

Weed everything, you did? And I used to hold all my guns down for Silky. He, like, really guide me and showed me the ropes and introduced me to everybody in South Jamaica, Queens. He introduced me to 50 as well. What was going out of town like for you at that time? What would an average out-of-town trip be like? Say we go to Pennsylvania, we go to Allentown, you know what I mean, we'll hustle out the hotel.

You know, you got the gas station across the street, wow-wows, and all that. That's where all the fiends and all the truckers are, you know what I mean? So they just come, you know what I mean? Once you set up shop, man, once you got them big pieces, man, they come in, man. So that's not like 13? Our pieces, our 10 pieces in New York was like 20s and 30s out there. But I'm just imagining, like, being a 12-year-old. Yeah, and doesn't that mean that you have to,

you're basically going to be going to war with the local drug dealers? Yeah, but we have connects out there. Oh, okay. We have a homie like Drew, like when we used to go hustle out there, we had the homie Drew out there. So Drew knew everybody out there. So we used to get work from Drew, me and Silty, so they'll take us out there.

Drew already got the whole shit sewn up, letting them know my two little homies coming up. Ah, ah, ah, ah, Amazon, Deccan, show us what to do, just stay here and move them joints. So you said you was 13 doing this, right? Like hitting the road, you know what I'm saying, do your thing? How was your mom's feeling about you disappearing at like 12, 13-year-old? Like, did she know what was going on?

Was you just disappearing? Like, how was that with moms? I was just disappearing. My mom used to have a fit. But how I used to get away with it sometimes, too, because remember I said our big homies was actually doing the music, hip-hop. Because we was lost boys at the time. We was just a young hustlers.

So that was a rap group. Lost Boys was a rap group. Yeah, a rap group and a crew at the time. Okay. It was a rap group and a crew. So I tell my mother, like, I'm going out of town with the homies. They got shows or they got promo run. So that used to be my excuse.

So yeah, we're going on the road to do a show, you know what I'm saying, that y'all really getting jicky in the streets. Yeah, yeah, facts, right. Okay, so how long once you got your feet wet? Around this time, lifestyles of the rich and shameless is taking off, too. Yeah, with cheeks and tie. So y'all had a single? Yeah, well, they had a single.

They was the main crew. Okay, okay. So how long... Big Macs? How long before you start hitting the road before you start getting into police activity to where they start, you know what I'm saying? How long did you see you have your first running with the law?

My first running with the law, that shit happening in junior high school. I was like 13. Could you dive into a story for us? Like, like, first time or? I was facing 10 years at that time. That's the first time I've even been to Spofford. 10 years for your first case?

So I called my first case. I was like, yeah, I was searching like 10 years, man. And what age was that? What age was that? I was like 13. 13. So how was it? Being 13 in a juvenile facility fighting such a large,

time. How was that? It was, back then, like, that was the thing that's, like, we gangsters, my niggas. So that was, that was normal to us, you know? That was just like a little vacation. You look at it like that. So that was normal activities, you know, going in and out of jail at a young age you did. Just typical activity. Yeah, regular activity, south side. You know what? Right. Okay. So when did you meet 50?

I met 50, like, uh, what, you? Yeah, I'm at 50. I was like 14, say like 9, 4, 9, 5. Yeah. Okay. What was your first impression of him? Bullie. That was his style from early on?

Yeah, 50 been a bully and so like, bad. Like, let me tell you how about first best, right? I'm riding my bike to 1-3-4. Because remember I told you, I was staying in Roseville. That's like five minutes away from Godbrough. I lived on 147, Godbrough, where we had. hangout is 134. So I'm riding my bike to God brew and all that. Boom, to meet Silky. Long story short, I'm waiting for Silky. I see this big nigga grilling me, son.

This is my first time meeting the Nick. I knew who he was, though. But it's like our first introduction. See this big nigga grilling me and shit. What the fuck wrong with this? But I'm saying this in my head. Nigger just looking at me and shit. You know, back then we used to be grimy too. We had the little dredge twist up, hoodieed on. I'm on the bike. So he's looking, he's looking So he come walking across the street So then he calls Soki over like Yo, oh, who the fuck this little nigga, man?

He was like, nah, that's Smurf. Wow, what's up? He was like, nah, man, because No-a-meet, I was about to slap this nigga and everybody, you know, man, I don't know this nigga, you know what I mean? So he was like, yo, what's up? And I wasn't talking to the niggas, you right? I said nothing to the nigga, I'm just listening to what he's saying to Suki, you are.

So I'm definitely not talking to you now. He just said he was about to slap me at anybody I don't. Because that's his block at the time. He ain't know who I was. You already out there, hustler. You see an unfamiliar face on the strip. It was like that back in the days.

If you ain't from an area, niggas will check you, you were, if they ain't know who you was. So long story, short, Silk was like, nah, he good, he good, you were? You know what I mean? So he just rode across the street. And the funny shit that I had a 2-5 on me the whole time, so I could have violated you, right? You dig.

But like I said, I already know who homie was. I already know he's a big step on the block at the time. So how did you hear about him? Yeah, so from from there, me and fifth got cool, though, because he liked me because, you know, everybody is scared of the nigga, he could intimidate a nigga, so he ain't seen no family. So from there, me and boy was good.

So that's how me and 51st met. Interesting. So, okay, did you guys form like a relationship right from there, or how did that go? Yeah, because remember, we was the two, I was a young active guy in my heart. I was with whatever. I was getting money. I was flying. 50 respect that kind of shit.

Niggas I could hold their own shit and don't got no fear, you didn't. Definitely. Yeah, so me, we got tight after that and then, you know? And then he knew my big homies was the lost boys when he'd figure out who I was. Oh, I got such and such. Yeah, so we got good after that.

We all from the same neighborhood. This is legendary shit I'm telling you about real hip-hop shit, you know, because the lost boys in June for the sake of beauty. Right. The lost boys pass on first. Yeah. And, um, but so, I mean, you knew 50 for a long fucking time there before he even started to get anything going on musically, right? So how was, what was that time period?

Before he even started a rap, before he even started the rap, then, like I said, he was on the black. When I met him at the time, he was 18. You are? So, so you, you was 14 and he was 18. So he's like, who this little-ass nigga on my block? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I'm looking grimy.

I got the hoodie, got dreds. I'm on the back, now I'm man? Yeah. So that's probably a part of the dynamic, too, because he's a little older. He feels like you the little, okay, all right, all right, now we're putting it together, you know what I'm saying? So how long was y'all together until he started making music? Like, how long was it? Remember, we found the same community at the time.

We had hang out together, the whole other hang out together, black part, parties together, going trips together, you know what I'm saying? So the barn was already there. We all from the same black. He hustling, I'm hustling and you dig. So the bond was there. I was just doing the lost boy thing. You know, I was just moving with the lost boys.

So I go on shows were done. You did. Toll and shit like that with that. You did. But we're always good. Always good. Even his first video, the murder video from 98, you could see me in there.

I was 17 at the time. But, me and Fitts always good, always good. But you, he liked me. I held the block down for real. But when do you start to have like a relationship that was the kind of relationship where you were actually like, you know, really having his back? Because at some point you're really like, you know, defending him and taking on all his beefs and shit, right? Yeah, 99. So we're going to rewind in 99, you're up.

So in 99, 99, 99 was like a drastic year for our community. And I heard because that's the year we lost on Freaky Tye from the Lost Boys, rest in peace. He died in March. And then Fifth got hit. I think he got hit like in May. So they killed Freaky Teth and then they shot up fifth. You dig?

So that's when me and my homie Root Boy and shit, rest in peace. We ain't respect that. We looked at it like niggas taken our block like we saw. So we just started spinning on everything from there. So from 99, we just spin it. just spinning. Fifth ain't even have to tell us to spin. We was just spinning on everything. Rest in peace, Rueport. So when 50 were cooperating, he told Yeo, because Yeo from the block, too, shot out of Yale. Yeo was always the rapper, though. His rap name was marvelous in the hood. He was

always a rapper, too. He was always a rapper too. They dig before 50. He was the rapper in the hood. Marvelous. Shout out Tony Yeo. So long story short. But 50 told, yeah, you're like, yo, tell Smurf I want to holl him. Because, you know, he had by me letting that thing off in the audio. Like, you'll tell Smurf if I want to hollering him and shit. He did. So, boom, I linked up with fifth. And he let me know.

He came to the hood first. Like, when he started to walk back, he sneaked through the hood, picked me up. And we went for a spin. So he was just telling me everything he wanted to do. And I'm like, man, shit, man, I'm busting my gun in the hood for me. the hood for free anyway, my nigga.

Whatever, if we're going to get rich behind this shit, let's go. So he was like, yo, I'm going to come back for you next week. We're going to go to the Poconos and we're going to have this official meeting. Then me, Rube boy and a few other niggins, we went out to the Poconos and, you know, sat down, formed a G unit. That happened in the Poconos when you guys went on vacation and came up with the idea of a G unit? No, he was recuperating because after he got hit up. Right.

His baby mother, Shanigua, she had condo in the arm in PA, because that's where the polka had in PA. So she took him out there to recuperate. So while he recuperating, we out there back and forth, making sure he's good and whatever. Damn. So what was the game plan from early on? Was it all about his music, or was the plan to always put together a crew and make it like that? The plan was a crew because he see he couldn't do it itself because he had a solo career

with Columbia before he had got to. shot but in this industry you need a crew around you need some serious niggas around you because remember there's some serious things in this hip-hop shit that if you don't got the right people around you the niggas gonna be a star and you left and right you are that's hip-hop bro like this hip-hop is gangster shit you did so that's what it was and at the end of the day nobody knew us we're young niggas at the time and the guys we wore on with could be our pop so we ain't really care what they did in the eight

These, you heard, like, it's 2000, nigga, we're the niggas now. So we ain't really care about what they did. And that's why 50, I say, I give it a 50. He's smart because he picked up all the younger niggas on the hood that wasn't around for that ever. That's why he ain't really fuck with the older niggas on the hood.

So when you speaking about the older niggas, are you talking about Supreme? They were scared. They were scared at the niggins we were worried. When you talking about the older niggas, are you talking about Supreme and his crew? No, that's what we was worried. I'm just saying,

And all the guys from my hood was kind of scared and intimidated it, a premium. That's why 50 scooped up all the young boys. Because he knew we young, wild and just don't give a fuck. We don't care who it is, man. And we really looked up to our fifth, too, because, you know, he was a major figure in the community. Just as a street dude, he wasn't, like, or was his music starting to take shape already at that point? nah his music started to take off when you mean when we formed jruda

yeah like was there already reason to believe his oh okay it was already going on he got shot up Columbia dropped him oh right okay he got shot in his mouth so they dropped him so they thought he was finished and then remember John them niggas popping at the time and that's what he was going again so Columbia was like man this nigga shot up and he got this

powerhouse he wore him with like they got rid of him and that was the best thing they could have did so this is he had an album done already. Power the dollar. That's the good. He had songs with Beyonce or. Destiny Child at the time. He had song with Destiny Child or other.

This is post-Hot-Rot-A-Rot. This is a classic to the day. That's the album with the ghetto Karan online. No, yeah. Power the Dollar because that got re-released after and that was actually the first 50 project that I got into. That was an actual album before June, before anything. That was his actual album right there. So it is after

How to Rob. Yeah, this after How to Rob. Howder Rob was like a single, I think, right? Do you remember the reaction? Do you remember the reaction from How to Rob that y'all got? Like, how was that, dropping how to rob? Yo, bro, it was crazy, bro. Like, it was crazy, bro.

A lot of people ain't like that record back. And 50 knew this. Like, this is the thing. Like, he's always a strategic dude. The guy is smuck. He did that just to get on in the game. You dig? Well, if you don't know me, you don't know me now.

And that's why he wanted all the big dogs in that. You dig? And all the big dogs fell for the bait, because all of them responded, even Jay Z. And he responded in Summer Jam. I'm all about the dollar. The fuck is 50 cents. So when Fippo died, that was the best thing Jay could have dead from him. He's like, yeah, this nigga's changing.

You're dead. Right, like he just co-signed him. So all of them guys felt for the bait. He loved when everybody respond, Wu-Tang, all that respond. Shout out of Ray Porn. That's my dog. Yeah. Definitely.

Okay, where should we pick up from here? What's the next major occurrence? So should we just talk about the forming of G unit? But we could talk about how, you see, remember, so after that, we formed the G unit now. And that's when we started dropping the mixtapes. So like I was saying, Marv, Tony Yeta was always the rapper in the hood. So we used to do mixtapes while 50 was shot up.

We used to do the 134 All-Star mixtape. So that's when we found out who Lloyd Banks was. was Christopher. You know, because he was a young kid from my neighborhood, and he just came to the black. The boy that spit Lloyd Bank. So from early,

Yale put him on to DJ Ruffin. I was a DJ and I heard. I used to drop all the mixtapes. So 50 heard Lloyd Banks on that mixtape. That's how Banks got put on with 50. You right? Because Banks wasn't around when we used to hustle and do whatever we did.

He kind of younger than us, and he did so, but the boy is talented. So 50 heard him on that mixtape and snatched them up one time as well too. And now he got Yale. He had banks. He had it on, he had two mouthpieces with him now. He formed the team. He got the group.

Then he got his street soldiers that's put in working. So our energy on the street is what made G-Unit, what it was, because what they was talking about, we was actually doing. So them G-Unit mixtapes, that's how Banks and Yale really got their buzzed and 50 got his comeback. And we just flooded the game. I heard Jim Jones talking about they was the first one dropping mix saves. Nah, bro, that was all luck. Like years before dipset, too, huh?

Yeah, now, dipset was making noise at the time because that was the competition back then. Okay, even then. It was dipset, D-block, and stay property. You're before G, you know, we just came and bumped everybody out the way. Like literally, yeah. Literally. Yeah, like, just moved everybody out of the way. And everybody's, everybody's most viral moments became them beefing with 50 after that, you know?

Yeah, yeah. But, and one of the most dopest times, too, is like the CD actually reached Eminem. And I, me and 50 at our own company before G-Unit. We did the hollow point. We had hollow point entertainment. We did that shit with Landspeed. We dropped the guess who's back CD. Right.

Yeah. That's the one Eminem heard. That's how we want to get an idea So Eminem convinced Dr. Dre like, yo man Go half with me with this guy He's the next thing I know and I mean The fact that you guys were partners on that label at that time

Really says a lot about how deep your relationship was The bond was there of the closest Nicker to the time when he was coming back Man I used to open doors for him I slept in his bed like that's my son Godfather Yeah I did a lot I did a lot

I did a whole lot. It's just that I'm 42 now, so I don't even dwell on it no more. So I don't care what they, them old shit you see on YouTube. I'm not on that energy away no more. I just want to say shout out of death. I'm like, we created, we made history. You did. Right.

History is just that. I just say, at the time, I just didn't like how I was getting treated. Definitely. So you guys were good up until what point? You caught a case and that's how you fell out? Well, we remember, we was on tour. tour in the world, get rich and die trying just drop it's popping. Oh, all the way through that and everything.

Okay. So how... I was dead. Like, we fell out on tour on the road. We leave them off. Like I said, get Richard died popping. Like, it dropped February, we ran April at the time. We torn everywhere. It's crazy. Two, three shows a day. It's bananas. But we blew so fast. It was a lot of things going on on the road that 50 wasn't seeing that I was noticing that I didn't like. It did so long story short. me and 50 road manager got into an authentication.

That's Marcus. And 50 spoke about this in the book, but this is not understand how he made me look like I'm a rapper in the book. He said I was an artist in the book. That new book he just dropped. I don't know if you checked it out. No. Yeah, but he mentioned me in the book and the situation about the talk.

But long story, short, me and the road manager got into an authentication. You dig? And 50 ain't like what happened. and like me and we popped on the road manager or whatever. Why? What did he do to you? It wasn't even my situation, but I just ain't like the way Marcus used to move,

but he was beef on one of my little homies, Jesse. At that time, it was Matt towbacked shirts and shit on the road. Long story short, Marcus said Jesse had his wearing his jersey. He can't find his jersey. Jesse stole his jersey or whatever the situation may have been. I went out there to defend my board. You dig? So I'm like, yo, but I was waiting for an opportunity

to really pop on markers too. So you used that as an opportunity to pop on them. You used that. So that was my opportunity to pop on him at the time. So I went outside, I asked him like, yo, what's popping on? He was like, yo, your homie got my shirt. Tell him pick it up.

I had a gumstain. I picked the shirt up. The boy definitely had a gumstain in his shirt, you are? So then he started getting hype and all that. So I'm like, yo, bro, calm down. That nigger told me some slick shit, Like, niggas, go get your gun. And then he told Jesse you come around the corner.

So I took that like, as disrespect. Well, I don't need no gun for you, dick. So I'll punch the dick in the face. We gang it on or whatever. He hit a commotion. He come off the bus. He's like, yo, what's going on here? But this is where I could say when I look back at it now, I messed up.

I should have just explained to him the situation. Like, nah, bro, this will happen. But instead of that, you know, I was raged up. My blood boiling. I kind of caught attitude with fifth. Like, niggin' actually a man, what happened? Why he got washed up? I shouldn't have did that.

So when I look back and shit now, she just went on the bus and sat down and explained to him what happened. So that's what happened. So I told him, actually, man, what happened? Man, why he got washed up. So then he looked at Shy Money Excel, and he was like, yo, just flower him out. So he flew me, Jesse, and Marcus back out.

So from there, I'm back in the hood now. And that's when I started working on my audience. his domination. Right. Impressive that. To show him I'm business mind if you were. Do you feel like that was a shot? Like I'm going to send you back to the hood, little dude.

Like, do you feel like that was a shot? Or do you feel like he was just kind of wiping his hands with the situation? Or do you feel like that was a little bro situation? It was a little bro situation, right? Because I was giving a lot of trouble, right? I will never make it look like I'm the innocent or just I'm innocent. He just sat me down a few times. Like, you got to relax.

You got to come. So we had conversations, but... So I guess that was the last straw with him, like, yo, let me send him back to relax. And then when I look back at him now, when he's trying to tell me to chill, he's trying to let me know, like, yo, bro, you don't gotta do that no more. We made it, dog.

We can hire guys to do this. We made it, but I understand at the time. I'm looking like, yo, you're the big only, man. We still got unfinished business. Just because we made it, these niggas we want, we still got money. So that's how I was looking at it. I never really explained it to him like that. So that's how I was looking at it.

I was looking at it like, man, we can't ease up the gas now. This is what God is here. The war not over yet in your head. Yeah. Yeah. But in his head, he just wanted me to be easy. But you see, I'm 42 now. Back then, I'm 2021, 22.

I'm young. So now I understand what he was trying to say, like, nigga, relax. You don't got to do that. You're valuable. He's really trying to keep you home because he won't his closest ally. He won't them close to him. He don't want to be, you know what I'm saying,

putting money on his books, paying for bills. he really need his closest ally close to him, but in your head, he is, it's not connecting. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean. Plus, there was a lot of people around him, too, and he'd be, everybody wanted to get, I was the closest nigger to the guy. So everybody wanted to get next to him.

The record's exact, this one, down, one down. So he had a lot of people in his head, too, like, yo, you don't need these guys no more. This one going to bring it down. It's interesting to me because, like, a lot of rappers kind of blow up and get money, and then they basically just continue to, like, fund their fucking war with their rivals. And we obviously see that with the young thug thing and everything. But it's interesting that 50 was, like, kind of ready to just move on and be a superstar and just forget about the street shit.

Yeah, he was. And that's why he's so successful now because he got money to do a whole lot of shit. He just don't pay attention to the bullshit. But if you bump heads with the niggins, it'll be an issue. Right. But he wouldn't go out his way to say, like, yo, I'm a goal. just bomb all these niggas. Because he on a mission, he bought his money.

You did? Sound like he was trying to help you all avoid Rico. Nah, it wasn't all this camera and all. This ain't this generation. You said that's that new shit. We gangsters, my nigga. I do a thousand years for any one of my niggas to this day. Like, I'm a different nigga.

I'm a gangster for real, my niggins. Like, I've done beat bodies, got locked up for bodies. We've been doing that. I've been going to jail since 12. Like, so. Going to jail is not an issue to me. Like, I was facing 10 years at 12, 13, so that's not an issue to me. Like, so it ain't no Rico.

He knows I'm solid. Right. But so. And why I can say I'm solid? Because I've been in these positions. I've been in positions where I'm locked up. Telling the police suck my dick, I'm going to sleep for a murder. Taking a straight at speedy trial, putting the pressure on them.

Speedy trial is they got six days to find any witness. They evidence everything. You got to know the law. You got to know the law. You got to know what going on. can't just be saying you a gangster. You don't know the system and you don't know how to get around the system because there's loopholes in the system.

Right. But the beef, you guys really stopped fucking with each other because he didn't want to bail you out, right? Yeah. So at the time, when he sent me back home now, like I said, I started to work on my artist's domination. So I went back to the hood just to try to impress them. So I'm like, I'm going to go to the hood.

I'm going to work on domination. It wasn't no beef at the time. I wasn't heard for four months before I caught that case. It wasn't no beef at the time. I was just working in the studio on my artists, putting our material, putting our music and things like that. So when I did catch the case,

yeah, son ain't want to send me my money. Like, I wasn't calling him for his money. And that's why a lot of people got to confuse. Like I said, we had our own company together, Hollow Point Entertainment. We dropped that independent on land speed. That's just sold over 400,000 copies independent. You dig?

So long story short, we got five hours off everything sold. I had 17% of the company. I generated $1.3 million at that time. That's my percentage of the money. So I'm calling him for my money. Like, yo, bro, you big? My mom's everybody. So what I got back, like, yo, you know, tough love.

You got to learn a lesson. But that's not how you teach a gangster a lesson leaving him in jail. And now sending him his money, like my money in my name, Daniel Khali. So that's what hurting me. You know what I'm saying? So that's when I came home and I just started tripping. So, mom's at the crib up and all that. How long was it until that to where you heard the line,

I'm like God to you, niggas? Oh, man. And how did that make you feel? Talk to me. That was it. That was it right there. That was it. That shit hurt my heart, man.

To this day, I still feel like you. I was like, God to you, because, you know, somebody you really looked up to and you'll jump in front of a bullet for a nigga or you'll do a thousand years for a nigga to make it look like I was just a crash dummy. I was never no crash dummy man I look at this shit

like the mafia nigga we took we took oaths for this shit you know what I'm saying so I looked at it like that so when I heard that part I'm like God to you knickers I took that shit fuck me up that's what really made me start the trip yeah damn

but so okay where do you guys go from there because it's like I feel like you didn't have any face-to-face interaction with him for a while until like the Summer Jam incident right now he came to my video shoot oh really I was doing I was doing a video shoot domination video

um your lose video shot out of Zodiac fish grease he shot that um that video that's a big producer at the time he did a bunch of Foxy Brown and all them training them you know nav videos back then in the 90s he was a dope director

He, at that video shoot, 50 pulled up, and when Banks came up. Like, again, my attitude again, you heard. I think he really, now when I look back at it, I think he came just to say, like that. I think he came to give me a hug when I look back at the net. But it's just my aura and my attitude at the time. Because remember all that shit he's saying, I'm like, I'm like, this, I'm like that.

I remember that time, we making noise on the music scene because I just landed a deal, a record deal, with Koch's, distribution, they were Koch's entertainment for my company for domination, unheard of at the time. So we making noise at the time. So he hearing about all of it. The guy actually came on my video shoot. He left out.

I think that was the time it was Super Bowl and Phoenix. He came all the way from Phoenix, helicopter, all that, boom, boom, boom, just to see what I was really doing. But when he came out, I was too aggressive and shit. So, like, he had some security, big white boys with him. They was pulling them back. go, let's get out of it. But I think he really did, came diplomatic that time.

But like I said, my attitude at the time I was young and ignorant. You were just too angry to accept it. I believe it now, like, he really came to give me a hug like, damn, bro. I like what you doing. You really made, you got it. I like it. Basically what he told you to go do. He sat you back down for four months.

He's starting to hear you make a noise. He'd go check it. But in your head, man, this nigga didn't send me back. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's trying to lo-man's me, and then you come at him a little aggressive. I had to do it all by myself again. But we did it so quick. He didn't know it was impressed, you know?

So that was like, that was the first time I actually seen it when I got kicked up a tour, but it was just a, it wasn't really no words. It was just, yeah, I was fuck out of it, he's just looking like this and shit. And bang, Sam Buck was there. You dig, so, you know, like I said, it probably was, he probably really did, came to show love that day. But I was just, you know, I was still in my films. and then the last time was Summer Jam.

Right. So what was your plan when you guys pulled up? That was my plan to go up there and harass the biggest the whole time, yeah. Yeah, I got 20 tickets front road. I bought the whole Jamaica Crees with me. It's so old. I know everybody from a little bit of one three four. Because remember my community loved me too.

Even though 50 is a big steper. In my generation, the young boy, I was a big stepper because I was the young boy with all the old G's. You know, back then, hip-hop always had a baby boy in the crew, a young nigga. Like five, ten years younger than them. Yeah, that was me.

I'm outside with the old G's. And so I was just a different guy in my whole life, like, you know. So me and fifth, yeah, so you know how this shit goes. But so the summer jam situation, like chairs start getting thrown and all that. Yeah, I had a home girl that used to work up there, right? So I'm like, yo, man, I ain't going to mention the name and shit.

But I'm still bad for my magazine. seven buying that shit till this day. So, boom. Yeah, to this day. So boom. I call my home girl. I'm like, yo, man, what's up? I need some link. I need like, yo, I need like 20 summer jam tickets. She was like, damn, I don't think I could get all

of that for you. Like, damn, we get money to I say, yo, I don't care the cost of that. Just get 20 tickets from me. So long story short, I got a good deal on the tickets. And I bought 20 front row ticket. And I told my niggas, we're just going to go there and harass them nicks the whole night. We're just going to taunt them nicks. I ain't, we're

I say we was going to throw chairs or none of that. I ain't playing none of that. I just said we're going to go there and taunt them, because we're in the front row. We're just going to be rally all night. Let them see us because I had to go to jail the next month. So I'm like, man, they got to, because I had to go to jail.

So I said, fuck that. I got to do some where they were going to remember me forever. They did? So I was like, yeah. And it worked out like that. But he started it, though. That's what I was going to say. So how long did it take?

And could you see him seeing y'allel? and he's starting to get a little. He's seeing us the whole time. That's why, like, see, we on the right side of the stage. He stayed on the left side the whole side. That's why if you ever notice, you go back, he stayed on the left side. That's why his door's on the left side.

The first 26th on the front row, the right side, that was all up. He couldn't take him anymore. I knew, I know him. And then we started throwing the GF record shirts on the stage because we went there with our SBG shirts. We throwing it on stage and all that. You did? But banks, banks really started.

of their first too, though, because banks came over and threw money in the head. You're right? So then we do money back. We do money back to do niggins, you know? So I guess that's what 50 guys ever tell you like, oh, these niggas, they're starting, stuck in. You know, so yeah. Right. You didn't get arrested or anything after that?

Nah, they couldn't find us, man. There's a million motherfuckers in there, man. When I'm dipped through the crowd, I'm from Jamaica Queen. You ain't fine in me. I'm gone. Right. But love story is short. So when he threw the ward on me, I tried to jump over the barricade.

That's when the security and all them stopped me and Europe. And that's what my homie wanted to throw in the chairs. So they was just really baiting the security at first. And one of my homies had just do one directly at fifth. And he caught the shit. He did. He caught it. So once they start throwing the chairs, now what's the vibe?

Now it's up. We hype. They hype. We hate that's when the troops came out. That's when we had to get low. Then the state troopers was coming out, the police and shit. So we had to get through the crowd and get up out of them, you were? Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Everybody made it safe. Shout out of my cousin Lowe's. See, he came out barefooted. He lost both of his sneakers that night. Was there a direct response in a song to that? Yeah

Um Them niggas ain't hood That was a distiller Them niggas ain't hood Oh okay And so Was that around the time That the

Like how often have you guys Gone back and forth Since then Or has it been like Dormant for a long As time since then Now we still We still throw our little shots

At each other You know But the thing is I'm off that way You did Like I'm off that way How long How long was it

After that you've seen That he's seen The clip Where he's seen the clip where he was like, that's my baby. How'd that make you feel? That that's my baby clip. I seen that in Trinidad.

So you was already deported. Oh, yeah, because the reporter asked how you feel about Smurf being deported. And then he says, that's my baby. That's my son. How do you feel about that one when he said that? Yeah. So I wasn't really, that don't really, that didn't really bother me. You know, because I looked at it like, he's being sarcastic.

Like, you know, that's my baby boy. He trolling. Like that. Everybody will want me to be. their baby boy because I'm a real step of you, right? So that's like a play for me being somebody baby. I'm a step for real, my nigga. You feel me?

So I wasn't mad at that. Like, at the end of the day, the only thing I was mad at them when I came out of jail, because before I came out of jail, I'd send them a sincere letter. Like, I'll send them a letter. You know what I mean? Open enough to apologize.

Let them know I'm not on that vibe no more. You did. I was about to come home, send him a letter. And that's the time Buck and them niggas was beefing. Buck beefing with 50 at the time. They had, they fall out. So me and Buck was in communication when I came home, I was reaching now.

And he was the one that told me, like, nigga, you know, we celebrated when you got deported, nigga, I said, what? That's what I heard my heart. Like, my, I can't fucking nigga celebrate because I got the border. Like, that's a dis, Nick. You know what I mean?

So that's when I came back to trun that, man, like, fuck. them niggas, man. Right. So why did you get deported? What led to that? Yeah. Me not being a citizen.

Yeah. I was a prominent resident, but not a citizen. But you had had a bunch of cases that led to this, right? Yeah. No, this case lets that because they considered that an aggravated felon. Every other case I had before that, I beat. No, when they raided them, I quit for the two gun. I did 30 days.

But that was a misdemeanor because the gun was in the house. aggravated felon in this case? My last case, yeah. Anything considered an aggravated felon and you're a permanent resident, they're going to revoke that. Hmm. Yeah. So what year was that? Did that happen? That was 2008.

I got deported. I came back to Chumden. Wow. So what what's life like out there? And does it sting to not be able to return? Yeah, it definitely sucks and I'll be able to come back home. But at the end of the day, you know, I make it work. I do it.

It's definitely, this shit like a baby, Mexico. I don't know, that's shit, violent down here. You know, we're right next door to Columbia and Venn. So, you know, it was brutal. Ain't nothing but drugs and cocaine's flowing down here. You know what I mean? I've been down here 15 years, man. So, and I do a lot for my country, too.

You know, I do a lot of social development for the kids. Back to school drives every year, you know what I mean? Free food, school supplies, all that. So, you know, I came down here and really changed my life around a big 360. That's dope. Like, how much weight does your name hold on account of, like, just the stuff you've been associated with in the past? I'm assuming that it's, like, a topic of interest around town. Yeah, of course, man.

They love me. The government, the police, the so, everybody. And then the things I do down here. And then you got all the entertainers come fuck with me when they hear. French Montana. Shout out of French. Ross. Federal star.

Shout out of Fredrell. That's my dog. Bust around, Smith Star, like Trinidad James. Shout out of them. The list goes on. so, you know, when they touch my city, they link up and fuck with me when they hit Trinidad. Have you ever attempted to come home? Yeah, you know, they shut me down a million times, man, because remember, the people still don't like me, man.

But you were... People still don't like me. You attempted in the sense that you're like... I'm going to definitely come back. I'm going to come back. But you're... You've attempted in what sense. Is there like a form that you got to try to figure out, fill out the... try to come back we got a right to all them on we got a right to all the congress and all them like

you did so my lawyer been doing all that you did so but right now they just changed the law we're aggravated felons to get their working visas so that's what i'm working on right them i work on visa and i can pull back up go back and forth that'll be fired yeah yeah for sure so i mean what else do you have going on in your life like uh like what keeps you motivated at this pouring in your life? Oh, man, my son, I just had a little son. Raziel, he turned 20 months, so he keeps me focused now. He did. And then I got my other son, Todd Banks in America, he out there in Queens, he's an artist. So what really keep me motivated is just just being out here seeing poverty, man. Like, I just want to motivate the youth side here. So that's

why I do. They keep me motivated. The youth side here, just doing better for them, to see in a smile one they face you are right do you think that there like do you think there's a chance of you in 50 becoming cool again at some point or do you think that that's kind of the ship has sailed let me tell you something my brother them guys love me it's just i'm not there actually in the physical form now with the mentality i got to really sit down and chop it up with them but i could see them anywhere in the world is going to be love my brother that's that's family bro the type of things i did for him personally, he could never forget that. But me and him, we got like the same ego, same pride.

So that's where we clash that. We got that same attitude, that same don't give a fuck attitude. We stubborn. But that's my brother, man. Those niggas love me, man, and I love them niggas, man. And I say that because every time they see my family in the States is love, you dig, it's love. Yeah, you'll see my kids or whatever is love, like it's love.

Like I said, 50 my son, my son, Godfather you did. It's just me and his situation today. But like I said, I'm 42 now with shout out of fifth, man. It's all of love. For sure. You got anything else?

And I know he's going to see this because you top five, one of the biggest podcast, but he's going to see it. Definitely, bro. So he definitely going to see it, you know what I mean? Yeah, he definitely. Yeah, but he know what it is. I ain't here.

You know what I mean? Throw dirt and nobody name no more. Big niggas is grown men. Now I'm 42. Adams, man. I'm 39, so I feel you. That's growth. For sure.

All right, bangham Smurf. We appreciate you sharing your story with us. No doubt, man. I appreciate y'all for having me. And I'm about to drop my past, my podcast, too. I'm working on that now. That's why I'm working on. Oh, I like that idea.

That could be big. Yeah, so I'm waiting for my studio space to get renovated right now. should be ready like next month. For sure. Yeah. All right. Appreciate you, man. Man, I appreciate you, man.

Thank you for having me, man. Much love. Bang Smurf. Yo, God salute, man. God bless y'all, man. I made it to no jumper. You know, after the day, the stock's going up. You can't be talking to me right now.

That's a fact. Thank you to my man's suspect for co-hosting. Got to. Yeah, man. Shout out to y'all. Thanks for having me, man. Appreciate you, dog. Much love.