No Jumper - Benzino on Dr. Umar vs Eminem, Being Coi Leray's Dad, Tony Yayo Giving Him a Pass & More

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Benzino takes Adam on a journey through the ups and down of his life, his career, personal life, and his upcoming projects! Benzino sets the record straight on a few things. He is candid and holds nothing back! Could this be his last interview? ----- 0:00 No intro, Adam and Benzino jump right in 6:15 Benzino says they never accepted hip hop in New England, Boston, etc 14:15 Adam got familiar with Benzino, when the Source vs XXL war kinda started 17:40 Eminem situation: Benzino says Interscope was in bed with XXL after Benzino started beefing with Eminem 18:30 Benzino believes that he was still ahead of XXL with the unsigned hype, source awards, the tv show, UPN show, source all access, man on the street, etc 22:20 The Source website was the demise of their business, Dave took a 12M loan, got offices on 5th Ave, the whole operation crashed 27:11 Benzino didn't want to give 2 mics low grade to artists in general, felt like it was disrespectful, Dave wanted to be "truthful" and said otherwise 32:35 Adam reviewed the Eminem --- tapes that's on youtube, Benzino says there's an original tape with way crazier stuff on there 33:15 Bizarre was on Vlad tv saying that the original tape was some freestyle about all girls from all races (Benzino laughs) 33:58 How the tape was found: Three of Eminem's associates from his camp are the ones who called Benzino to sell him the tapes + Benzino got sued by Interscope to Federal Court for copyright infringements 34:34 At that point, Eminem associates were trying to sell that tape for like a year to whoever: "At the end of the day, Eminem made those tapes, he know what he said" 37:00 Benzino won the trial, the judge allowed Benzino to use about 30 seconds of the whole 40 min tape, Eminem's team had to pay 200k to Benzino's lawyers/team 37:12 Now we have fair use laws, thousands of youtube videos talking about it as we speak and no one gets sued 38:35 Did 50 Cent kill Ja Rule's career? Benzino says it was a time for a shift in music and 50 represented that shift 42:27 Benzino breaks down the Source federal investigation: because of his background in the streets, he was targeted 49:10 Eventually this whole operation fell apart, it cost too much money so they gave up, that's when they gave the accountant the wire to try to get something, maybe on the money side w taxe invasion or something 51:29 The trial starts, all white jury, Benzino sold his jewelry to pay his lawyers, after 5 days of trial, the accountant came to testify he was scared 54:27 Benzino lawyer passed out in court doing his closing argument, he recovered, came back, Benzino was found not guilty 1:33:50 Melyssa Ford said vixen are undervalued in hip hop 1:39:10 Dr Umar statement about Eminem: Benzino says of course we can have a white GOAT in hip hop 1:43:07 Benzino admits letting his personal issues with Em getting into the business and using Source to promote the beef: "I was wrong, that's not good business" 1:47:30 Adam admits he had negative feelings against Benzino from that Eminem era, but Benzino did what any media was supposed to do, ultimately Eminem got away with it and ppl moved on 1:49:43 Em took a break after that, Benzino says Crooked i was right there when Benzino got the tapes at the office right before the press conference, Crooked i came to the press conference, Benzino says Crooked i is not truthful about what really happened that day 1:51:51 Adam and Benzino say Eminem should be more present (even tho most rappers say he's washed and don't listen to him, so why would he more present?) 1:55:55 Coy Leray: Benzino is still amazed by how her career blew up, he also regrets going back and forth online with her 1:58:10 Being able to see her being successful is a great feeling, rappers' kids almost never have a rap career 2:04:23 Drake vs Benzino: Benzino says Coi told him when Drake texted/DMd her, he invited her, wanted to fly her out Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've been telling everybody. I was like, Adam's from around my way, man. Nobody knows what the fucking is besides us. Let's go. I didn't believe when he told me that. Yeah, I told him. I told him now. I was like, man, we're from New England.

I got a hell of a time even explaining what New Hampshire is to people on a consistent basis. But you know what? My brother caught a case out of New Hampshire. Really? Yeah, my brother Porky, man. He's locked up now. You know what I'm saying? Got caught with some, you know, got caught with some work.

Uh-huh. But a lot of people in New Hampshire, like, like they go up there from Boston. they get apartments but it's like they're trapping up there really that's interesting because my dad used to own these apartments uh like up north in new hampshire and for sure going up there as a kid was when i realized like oh these are kids like these like they were so much more fissed up than the majority of people where i grew up i think new hampshire people don't know was so liberal that drugs was running rampant for a long time really yeah because new hampshire's always been like a

liberal place, you know what I'm saying? You know, live free or die. That's what's on the license plate. Live free or die. So like growing up, it was always, because I've been up there a few times. Of course, we used to go up there for, I remember real young, going up there for field trips, tapping the trees for like the maple service. Oh, yeah, okay.

This is when we was real young. And I was, you know, and then it's like, once I started, I was like New Hampshire's, like, super like a lot, like weed before weed. I used to get my weed from New Hampshire from this guy up there. And this was like in the 80s. Really? Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, so I leave for however many years when I moved to Brooklyn and Queens and shit,

and I go back and there's a gun store like a mile from where I grew up. And I go, I'm just driving by and I see a, like, they got all these cartoons of like Obama, but it's like a monkey-type cartoon and I'm just like, oh, no, no, no, I didn't really get this when I was a kid. It's like, it's like there's not too much, I wouldn't say policing because it's police, but you're able to be who you want to be politically you're able to you know what I'm saying I mean you know it's heavy Democrat up there of course I'm saying but as far as you want to smoke let it out listen whatever type of music you like be he it just doesn't seem like it just seems like a how like

Cambridge is you know about Cambridge must be in Cambridge a lot yeah New Hampshire and Cambridge have similarities to me do what do you think yeah yeah culturally I see it for right you know New Hampshire now when I look at the polls, it's like almost split Trump Biden, like very close. Trump's transcending. See, Trump's transcending to where it's that you can't even base the polls on what they was when he comes in. Yeah. Because he just, he jumbled shit up so much. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Is he Republican? You know what I'm saying? Is he taking votes away from the Republican? You know what I'm saying? I've seen some interesting. I've seen Minister Farrakhan co-siding Trump. Right. I didn't know if it was AI.

I was like, yeah, I was like, I was like, you know, because sometimes you have to be careful on what you've seen. And he said some good things about Trump. And I was like, it blew me away because, you know, I guess with me, like, I don't think I've ever, I don't know if I can say this, but I don't vote too much. I don't vote too many times. I only voted twice in my life. Really?

Yeah, at 40 years old. Do you? Yeah, like, what, how come you don't think you like to vote? I just, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I pay attention to the news. and stuff but enough to like really like like my my well I did through the mail one time okay but the other time I had to drive downtown and pull up to like I felt like I was waiting in line for the soup kitchen or something just to press a button for Hillary Clinton and then go home and talk about it on Twitter I don't know the only the only I remember I think um going to the post my mother she voted for jesse Jackson I was the only time I remember any voting or whatever um you know Boston was different you know what I'm saying we are but but pretty much the Irish run Boston.

So they run the political office of Boston. Right. I'm saying. I mean, still, to this day. To this day, I mean, you know, even like with the Whitey Bulger thing, people don't realize how, like, gangster it was. So Whitey's brother was Raymond Bulger.

Raymond was the highest office, the state Senate leader in Massachusetts. Okay. When Whitey was on the run, when he first got on the run, they'd let Whitey went. All of a sudden, Whitey won the lottery. And then he goes on the run.

Right. So it's like, you know, like the treasurer is Irish. The guy that runs the lottery is Irish. If the mayor is not Irish, everybody around him is the police commission is Irish. So it's like they let Whitey get a few million and get on the run. Interesting. That is crazy. Yeah, because I left New Hampshire at like 18, 19.

So like my understanding of what it is to be a grown up or never mind to be in the underworld from New Hampshire is like non-executive. is like non-existent. So like even when I would go back and I would be 22, 23 and my friends would want to go to clubs. And I'd be like, damn, like, what the fuck? Because I left at 18. I had no idea.

Right. Nah, man. I mean, it's just, it's crazy because now, like, you know, as with the internet and as time's going, it's like, even New Hampshire, you're going to go up there. They have a hip hop scene.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, because like when you say, now Vermont, I don't know. I don't know about Vermont. I don't know Vermont's yet. We did a no jumper tour. in New England in probably 2018 and we did play a show in Burlington. It was quite small.

All right. Okay. It's probably like a hundred people. Maine is popping. Yeah. Maine, Maine has a scene, but people here in New England, they don't know what New England is. Yeah, because it's hard to even explain how you have New York City, which is the home of hip hop. And then you drive two hours to Philly.

Right. A lot of relevant hip-hop artists from Philly throughout the years to present day. Right. And, you know, you kind of drive in like a few different directions. and hit cities that are very relevant in terms of hip-hop. But then meanwhile, you drop four hours over to Boston, and it's not like there's nobody that's been influential irrelevant in hip-hop. I get on that 95.

I think I put over in every city in Connecticut. Right. But, I mean, it's kind of limited. And it's kind of hard to understand how a city that's so close, like one of the nearest closest large cities to New York City, and it just didn't really develop. What's your theory on that? They never accepted hip-hop as a full-time radio station.

like how New York Jammin wasn't it? Nah, no. Jammin was playing pop and then they would throw some hip hop in and they'd be pop and hip hop and hip hop and pop pop pop hip hop. So it never really took on that full energy of hip hop I think that's needed

to kind of shape a city. If Boston would have, if Boston would really would have allowed for a hip hop station like a hot 97, I mean, hell, you go to North Carolina and so Charlotte has like three or four. main radio stations playing hip hop in the city. Like main, you know what I'm saying?

You know, B, you know, ones, you know, A stations in the city. In Boston never, jamming is not one. It's never been one. It's never going to be one. But that's the reason. We've never had a radio station to represent the city. And we're in the top 10 media market, meaning as far as media advertising stuff,

but not in hip-hop. We would have to go to Providence just to go to hip-hop shows. Providence Civic Center. They wouldn't, like the Fresh Fest, they would never ever come to Boston. Boston would never, like the Garden, the Garden would never ever hold hip hop shows. Really?

So never. I didn't know that. Run DMC could never, unless, you know, if they came with Aerosmith, you know what I'm saying? But hip hop, forget about it. So the Providence Civic Center used to hold all the fresh fest and everything, so we'd have to drive to the Civic Center. See, that's so interesting because it's a testament to the fact

that the cultural institutions in a city essentially will help decide how prevalent the culture that develops out of them is. A radio station is key. But everybody in New York City takes Hot 97 for granted, power for granted. They don't know. Especially in this day and age. Man, listen, when we used to drive to New York, as soon as you hit Hartford, hot 97's signal was so strong, you'd catch it in Hartford.

So Hoffett's about an hour and a half away. So halfway there, you get Hot 97. Back then, you're hearing that year. That's that's cool DJ Red Alert. When you hear shit like that, we go crazy. Because we don't got no station like that, man. So we just put it on the radio, and we'd be excited, smoking all the way up there.

And that's where you heard the rawness of hip hop, the real rawness of what hip hop was about and mixed in with the DJ because it just wasn't about playing songs. It was the personality of the DJ and what he said over the songs and his energy and his attitude, like in the scratch.

Like everything was all it was a vibe and see you know that's not there anymore But I know for sure that if Boston would have had a radio station like that Boston would be way better off as far as talent getting exposed Yeah very very interesting yeah no yeah I always like put some thought into that you so you don't think it has anything to do with the racial composure of Boston because there are a shitload of people of color and it's it's kind of interesting that none of them is really like Not nobody. I don't want to take anything away from all the people who have been relevant in hip hop over the years. No, not, not. That's a fair question. But at the end, because people are wondering why not.

But it's true. You got to have, you got to have, like, they don't allow, like, energy to come up. Now, you could say it's through black people, right? But hip hop is just too synonymous with black people. So it's just all the same thing. Like, if, you know, they don't allow, like, showcases and they just don't allow the like they've suppressed black culture in Boston. Now, we all know it's been a racist city like, you know,

I mean, there's just now a bunch of HBO specials and anything where people are watching and movies where they're watching about the 70s busing and the segregation and desegregation and it's like, it's like, wow, like, you know, people were like, damn, this is how Boston was, you know, I'm sitting with my girl, my girl's from Atlanta,

all her family's from the South. And I live in Atlanta, and you know, we've been watching these different Boston, in this, um, there's a movie about like the busing long story short. She was like, damn, they're really racist up there. Now, this is somebody from Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? Saying that. And, you know, it's like people don't, you know, I think, I think that Boston, Boston's media

hit it. I don't know if they purposely hit it, but it just hasn't got out to the masses on how hard it is growing up black in Boston. And just not, and it transcends to hip hop. You know what I'm saying? With me, you know, I was in the streets, 24 hours a day. So this is when hip hop was in the streets. So, you know, we're doing block parties.

We're doing house parties. We're battling. We at the roller skating rink. I mean, that's what hip hop was. It was always outside. It was an entertainment that was from the streets, in the streets, you know what I'm saying, for the streets. And once it started taking on its thing, it's like Boston just didn't want to support it. You know, and not just that.

You could see, like, African American bookstores, there aren't no anymore. You know, they don't, you know, even basketball, you know, you can't necessarily have, you know, they have a couple of basketball tournaments or whatever. Like Mike Bivens from New Edition, he just did a good job at really getting one going on again. But it's like, even the athletics, there's not a lot of Boston people in the NBA. You know what I'm saying? So it's like it's just not hip hop. It's just anything that has to do with a black man that's growing up in Boston. It's hard, man, Adam.

I think there's something about being the first superstar out of a city. of a particular niche. Like, for example, you know, you could say a lot about the musical history of Chicago, but when Chief Keefe comes out in 2011, that opens up the floodgates for, you know, multiple street rappers to pop off out of Chicago year after year after that.

And sometimes I wonder if in Boston, like if, you know, Snoop Dogg was hard to imagine, if Snoop Dog had been from Boston and had came out in 91, if that would have opened up the people's understanding of what it is to be a guy from Boston, and that would have kind of created like a flow over the years. That's a fair thing. But then when you look at Snoop Dog, Long Beach and Cali shaped Snoop Dog for him to be who he is and why people love him.

Because you have to be so magnetic in order to educate the public about what a dude from that city is, if they don't already have an archetype, the same reason why it's almost impossible to imagine a rapper from England popping off to the extent where Americans at large care about them because we are so obsessed with our own personal experience. It's hard for us to put ourselves in the shoes of a person from another country. And England, that's people who speak in our language.

Picture somebody coming from a country, from France, Germany, whatever. Like, super hard to imagine American taking to that. Listen, the couple of times I've been to France, their hip hop is so what I love, like probably as far as internationally the sound that I love. Nothing against anybody else because there's a lot of great.

I mean, right now, a lot of international artists are popping off. But back in the day when I would go there, they'd be rapping over boom-bat beats, and like their language is already like a flow. Their language. So even though you don't understand what they're saying, that should just be flowing with the beats, and they was heavy into like boom-bat beats,

like heavy into boom-bap hip-hop, like the essence of hip-hop. So I always like, you know, that type of shit. But, you know, I mean, your environment shapes you, man. You know what I'm saying? musically too. So from my perspective, as I start to hit, you know, the A drive, my driver's license when I'm like, you know, 16, I start every couple days, like, at least once a week, I would head off to the Barnes & Noble because I start to realize, like, I don't even got to buy it.

I can just kick it at the Barnes & Noble or the borders and I can read the source and double XL and the BMX magazines and the skateboard magazines I wanted to check out and shit like that. And so this is also 2000, 2001. or whatever when the great double XL source beef was emerging. Okay. And so I become familiar with Benzino as a result basically of that conflict.

Of that whole situation. And I'm pretty aware at that time that I'm basically in the middle of a propaganda war between these two publications. Well, yes. I mean, well, well, it looked it like that with me because back then everything was just, everything was personal with me.

And that I didn't, I don't, um, I don't think I fully, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to say grew up or matured, but I still was, even though I learned a lot being at the source and learned a lot on how to be a businessman on the fly up there, I still had that hip hop, or if you disrespect me, that personal thing. And the thing with the X-X-X-L and the, see, X-X-L was necessary. Now that I'm older, I could say that. because, you know, we're only putting one artist a month, you know, on the cover. That's 12 artists a year. There's way more artists.

So it's nothing wrong with X,XL coming in. Now, we knew from the beginning that XXL basically just copied our blueprint. It was Coke and Pepsi. We understand that part. The thing with XXL that people didn't know, the X, X, Excel was owned by people that was before they copied the source, they had, like, golf digest, fields and streams. hunting, digest, like a whole bunch of different kind of like outdoors, you know, nothing to do with hip hop at all. They just seen us making all this money and they figured, hey, look, you know, that's when they came and got Elliot, you know, made him.

I mean, every move they made when you look back, it was a brilliant business move. You know what I'm saying? Now that, you know, that I'm old enough to understand and, you know, all that's behind me now. But, you know, when I look at it, X-X-X-Sel was necessary. I just look at it honestly, like we was the greatest and X-Excel was necessary, Vibe was necessary. They were great magazines, you know what I'm saying? There was no internet. So, you know, people don't realize all the hard work, those eight, nine-page features that them journalists had to do with writing and editing.

I mean, a lot goes into making a magazine and, you know, all the people, all the people at the source that was responsible. All of them from all the years, man, did amazing jobs. It's just fascinating when you compare the media landscape. of that time to now, where nowadays the media landscape, I mean, there's a lot of contentious issues between people and stuff, but somebody like me and Vlad or academics or Sean Cotton from say cheese, etc., etc. I mean, for the most part, we're able to get along pretty well because we all understand that the average consumer is probably going to consume content

from all of us depending on who makes the best stuff. And we all know that none of us has a monopoly on getting the best guests, and we can all try our best to get whoever to do the best guests or the best conversations or whatnot. But ultimately, it's very easy for the consumer to pick and choose whatever they want to consume, which is completely different than the source in double Xcel, where you realistically probably couldn't have assumed that the average consumer was going to buy two different hip-hop magazines in a month. It was an environment that really lent itself to an all-or-nothing worldview. Well, when the M&M situation happened, X-Excel found their length.

you know, found their, you know, their advantage to say, you know what, let's go all the way with these guys. I mean, at that point, they was like really together, you know, in a scope and XXL. Like, they pretty much partnered up at that point after that. You know, so it's so when it looked like, okay, Benzino has the source and Benzino's putting what he wants, well, okay, come on, join us because, you know, we're already going against the source. So again, you know, these are these are understandable and move. Listen, competition, You know, there's no rules in competition. And, you know, even within that part of it,

it's going to always go down in history and hip hop because that's probably never happened that way before, you know. When you look back at that whole skirmish and everything, do you tend to assume that it was largely predicated on, and I know there was like business reasons behind the scenes and everything, but do you think that Elliott slash, double excel were geniuses in the way that they went about it or do you feel like the source and yourself and Dave and stuff had just gotten really really comfortable and weren't necessarily

like doing what you needed to do to compete in this new media landscape that was changing a lot at that time I mean I mean you know we still was the ones that did the awards the TV shows you know I'm saying I still really had the face where I mean and you know no disrespect to Elliot in this present time you know what I'm saying Elliot's you know going on to accomplish great stuff. But, you know what I'm saying? Those guys, we just was doper than them in every form of fashion. You know, what the source had was this guy from Boston who's been involved in hip hop, his whole life and was really in the streets. And that's what they had in me. And pretty much everything else was college guys, guys from college and in their perspective on how they looked at hip hop.

But it necessarily wasn't a guy involved with the source or involved with XXL that really was a street guy, really was, you know what I'm saying? But not just a street guy, but also a hip-hop guy. And, you know, I think that was our advantage. I always thought me, however I was the face of the magazine, for good or bad, I think that that's what made the source official. Because at the end of the day, it still come from the streets. And see, X-X-X-L, everybody knew that they, I mean, from the covers to everything for a

Bradham, everybody knew that they copied us. And, you know, that's why we was trying so hard to really, make the Source Awards a success and put out TV shows and compilation albums because, you know, we know magazines, listen, hey, Coke and Pepsi, you know, you're going to get Pepsi, you know, because some people like Pep, but what's going to say aside is what's outside the pages. And that's really what I kind of took pride on. Like my title, and I never really got off on titles was like the chief brand officer. But my idea was to do things, not that the brand is already out there for a magazine and the stories

and the five mics and the quotable. the unsigned hike, the word on the streets, the air to the street. Now that we've already got that unlocked, let's try to take it outside. Let's see the vision more. You know, the Grammys ain't given us no props. Let's go do our own award show.

We never made money in the first like seven award shows that we did. It was a loss. Even when we did it with UPN. We got a couple of TV shows. The Source Sound Lab. We was able to give Ray J his first hosting gig in Egypt. and then we did, we even hired Tigger. We was the first one to put the boxing ring

and have guys go at each other. We came on every Saturday on UPN. It was like a soul train type of hip-hop soul train. And then we did the thing with Lisa Ray Tretsch, the Sourcel All Access, the hour-long weekly magazine show that we was doing the syndication. So, you know, we was trying to expand the brand

and we've seen a vision. So it's not like it was making money right there, but we've seen the vision to take us so we could be further from. XXXL. Yeah, but it's interesting because I feel like that's a tale as old as time that a media company or a business in general will kind of like take their eyes off of the content or the business that has made them popular in the first place and then put more attention

on to creating new revenue streams, new aspects to the brand. But then meanwhile, if your competition is really going all in on the base product, which in this case is the media magazine, it can sometimes like, sort of exasperate the problems and make it happen faster than it would have otherwise. But like if we, if we would have started seeing that, we would have pulled down. Now, okay, the things that were starting to progress was the awards. The awards was starting to progress where exactly which is, you know, you're exactly right. Because there was the source.com that ultimately kind of like ended me and Dave's reign at the source.

Right. Because you were a little too forward thinking, right? because you knew the internet was the future. I don't want to take no responsibility for that because at that time, see, me and Dave were partners and a lot of times, like the stuff that were outside of the pages that were definitely my imprint on was the awards, the hip-hop hits, the source, all-axis TV show in, the one on Saturday, and the hip-hop hits.

These five things were like the things that I was doing, a couple other things that really didn't latch on. But those things were starting to get successful. So Dave came up, and Steve Stout that runs United Masters, and H. Edward Young, he was one of Dave's original partners from the very style, one of the four original partners. They said, hey, well, let's do source.com, you know.

And hey, we could be getting, this is going to be the new thing, this is going to be. And, like, it made no sense to me. Like, I couldn't even keep up in the meeting. Just, you know, I'd be getting bored. And eventually I just said, look, Dave, you know, I trust you, you know so you know they went and got the loan for um well Dave told me nine million back then but come to find out it was 12 million dollars all right it was a 12 million dollar loan and it was

at like some i think 20 25 percent interest and it was it was it was from a bank a small bank in province Rhode Island and this is where year 2001 no before that before that oh okay this was like 90 maybe 99 2000 so like pre dot com bust right around that yeah yeah so took a lot of people so they went got a brand new office on fifth avenue and i walked in he said come on i want to show you something and it's like 30 desks with these big ass white computers on there big stupid like this is huge big boxes and again it just didn't i don't want to say impressed because that's sounding like i don't want to sound mean but it just didn't like i just didn't like i just didn't I didn't see it.

I didn't understand it. So it just, I was like, okay, Dave, boom, boom, got up out of it. And then come to find out later that, it crashed. The whole thing crashed. It didn't work. And we owe the payments ballooned up to $30 million. So the website was never online and operational? It was.

It really, it started. And it had a lot of problems. And it source.com got up. And it just, it wouldn't work. Because see, also what people had understood. Now, see, this is the part that I knew. There's no way that you're trying to put all this content or the theory of having all this content online and you think you're going to sell the magazine. It's the same content.

Like one has to push the other. One has to be, and I knew that back. See, my mind at least knew that. You know what I'm saying? Like I knew it's like you can't put the same content, just digitize it and put it in there and think that, okay, now we're going to get double the advertisement because they'll know because nobody had phones. Nobody had computers. Because the bread and butter is people going to the store and buying the fucking magazine. So like how could you possibly accept the idea that we should just be giving all this information away for free on the site?

But they've seen it. Yeah. They've seen it. And I remember Russell Simmons buying up everybody's dot com rights back. These are the early and I just didn't know what the fuck this shit was. Now, years later, look at, look at, look at what's happening. Because I still remember the approximate time period in like 2005 when I stopped buying double XL in the source because the emerging hip-hop blogs at that time,

basically we're doing a better job at reporting on hip-hop day-to-day, and it started to be that I would go and pick up a copy of the XXL. And there would be some cool stuff, some interviews and stuff like that. But for the most part, it didn't really have a lot to offer in comparison to the drip feed of news that I was getting every day from looking at these blogs. Think about that then. So it was five years.

And five, there was five years too early. There was five years too early. And listen, Steve Stout and Dave's brilliant, because they really was the pioneers of this hip-hop advertising thing. I mean, honestly, like, you know, when it comes to that, I can wholeheartedly say that them two there

had a lot to do as far as getting companies to buy into hip-hop and buy into young black men from the street because that was the, that was the, that was the blowback, the pushback. You know what I'm saying?

You know, they was apprehensive on dealing with that type of thing and it took years. And Dave, and Steve crawled so a lot of people can run right now. When you look back at that time period, like one feeling that I have when I grab a copy of the source of double XL from 95 and I look through it is that the advertising and the editorial match up like one to one.

Like if there's a full-length article about some dude, there's also a six-page advertising spread for it. I'm sure that didn't really seem up or, you know, like an issue at the time but like was it really as corrupt as it now seems when I look at it bro how the hell can you give how about this one I'm gonna go to that one but you're Sony and you're spending all these millions with us a year and then after you give us a artist and we give them two mics come on at a time where two mics versus four mics is like literally mics is a disrespect there's probably like hundreds of thousands of album sales that aren't happening if that album gets a two

start I just have to tell Dave day listen tell them don't give nobody two mics no more yeah Like this please. Yeah, but it's the integrity and that's a, I don't give a, no more two mics. You know what I'm saying? Like it's disrespectful. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, especially if we're dealing with, this is the problem. And I've said it before.

All this integrity shit gets thrown out the window when there's money involved. It's hard to have integrity in business when there's money involved. Now that doesn't mean that you have to be a schmuck. But if you're, if you're getting in advertising dollars from somebody, and they're like, and you're disrespecting their artist, then what the fuck you think they're going to, you know what I'm saying? Then they're going to stop pulling advertise, so we have to tell you, hey, you don't have to be so truthful of, you know what I'm saying?

Understand that this is how you get your check paid. It's how the lights go get put on. It's how we get money. It's wild, though, because I was just reading an article about pitchfork, which laid off like half their staff yesterday over the past couple of days. And pitchfork was basically like the indie rock, like a quick. or like pop equivalent of the source of double X. I know exactly.

I don't know. Good reviews, honest reviews. But they have like over the years, one of the main things that people point to as to why it kind of lost its cultural relevance. A big part of it was the fact that they sort of stopped giving bad reviews. And they, it became like a like it was told to the office. You can't do a bad Beyonce review. You can't do a bad Taylor Swift review. But I think that like if you really want to hold on to your audience in the long term, you have to

be willing to be negative. You have to be willing to point of something popular and say that shit sucks. It has to be a balance. And that and those are those are the ones that survive and flourish. Because you have to balance it. Like, you know, me, a lot of artists didn't like me because they, they think and the reason that they didn't get what they thought they were supposed to get mic ratings because I had something to do with it. And that was far from the case. You know, a couple of times, you know, I stuck my nose in there was, you know, the M&M time. And I, and we talked about the outcast time. A couple of times.

One GZ and thing, not bad, good too, like I've pulled up mics and then, but for the all the hundred, maybe thousand, you know, I was there for 100, maybe 200 magazine, 192 magazines, the 18 years I was there. So, you know, I mean, come on, you know what I'm saying, shit happens.

But it's hard to walk that tightrope because, you know, you got to understand. And see, I'm, again, there's the business side of the magazine, there's the journalistic side. I'm trying to keep both. because they used to like, man, can you talk to Dave? People used to think that it was me, but it was, Dave was the one that was, you know what I'm saying?

Like, they'd be like, hey, do you think you could talk to Dave's, you know, you know? I'd be the ones to make sure dudes will get bonuses and raises and, you know, guys from out of jail. You didn't have to just be in college. Guys come out of jail. If you was a good writer, come on, I'm going to try you. Like that was, you know, straight from the streets. You ain't never, all right, come on, let me try you.

Some worked out. Some didn't. But, you know, I was like that guy where. where I was trying to be, you know, I'd have to be back and forth and then tell, you know, Dave get mad at somebody. Dave, give him a break, man. You know, I'm saying? I'm back there smoking weed with him on a terrace.

So, you know, people thought way different of my, of who I was and what I did up at the source. And, you know, I'm not going to act like it was always Disneyland up that morning because it wasn't. You know, there was a lot of, we had a lot of issues. But for the most part, you know, coming to work, man, just smoking weed and hip hop listen to music and writing. That was an amazing job for everybody up there.

People should be. I wish it was that simple still where like the magazine was like a real totem to the art. Yeah. Whereas you feel like now when you look at hip hop media that the vast majority of it has nothing to do with the music. It's all about who's got a problem with who or, you know, even just interviews. Well, the artistry isn't about the, I don't cut you up, but the artistry isn't about the rapping no more.

Artistry really is about who the person is. Like hip hop used to lead everything. Now, Internet leads hip hop. See, that's what's fucking it up. Hip hop used to, when the Internet first came, hip hop was leading it. Now the Internet's leading this. When the Internet leads it, you just have to be a personality. You don't even got to know how to fucking rap.

You know what I'm saying? And that's where it's kind of fucking it up. Hip hop was always the leader, the big, you know, the big, you know what I'm saying? Nothing would be bigger than here comes the Internet, and it's leading. hip-hop. It's crazy though because that time period of the Benzino Shady Records, XXL, war,

when I look back on it... Can I light out of? Do I have a letter? I think I probably have a letter. I have a letter. I think, and especially like, because last night, I was doing some reviews of the original Eminem N-word tapes as well as his diss

is about you and everything. Did you have the original? I listened to some of it on whatever's on YouTube. Oh, no, we'll see that there's original tapes out there that we stuffed in. So if somebody got one of those, that's really what you want to get your hand on. Oh, and, but you don't have access to any of the original stuff. I have nothing.

I have no magazines. I have no tapes. I just... Because, all right, well, let's just start there then. There's a Vlad TV interview with Benzino where Benzino, or excuse me, not with Benzino, with Bazaar, where Bizarr, sorry. That's not, I'm mostly saying sorry to you. But where Bizarre says that the original version of the tape,

Because there's like a snippet from one of the songs and the essence of it is basically like Eminem saying black girls are stupid black girls are dumb black girls yada yada It's like the weirdest most offensive shit you could possibly imagine But czar says that in its full context it was basically like a song that was kind of like taking shots at girls of all different races And that that was cut down to just this one chunk that makes it sound like it was all about black guys Okay, so let me explain what happened we got sued from Eniscoe We had to go to federal court. Yep. Because when Eminem first said that he didn't make the tape, that's not me, that's not me.

Then they ended up, once we did our homework, remember, the three guys, his guys, came and so did us the tape. It's not like we just, these are guys that made the tape with him. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, how are you going to, you can't refute that. But we got sued because they said it was copyright infringement. So that's already admitting that it's yours if you're going to sue us with copy. So when we went there, the judge said, you're going to sue us with copyright.

So when we went there, the judge. the judge said that because the tape was about 40 minutes long and it was like imagine like we used to make them way back in the day like you were going to crib and just wrap over a whole 40 minute hour of beats and everything like that but he was no he had some racial shit in there you know what I'm saying and um the judge wasn't going to allow us to to stuff the whole because we won't because now we got the tape we want they're trying to stop us from stuffing the tape in the magazine and shrink wrapping it and sending us

and sending it out that that was my idea right i'm like we're gonna shrink wrap the tape of of of of of this tape that because i they tried they've been trying to sell this tape for over year there was like two white got maddicks and send in the i think they're both dead i think two of them are dead or two three two out of the three are dead like it's some for sure emin put that bag on them see i don't know i don't you know i don't because you know because then he should have put the bag on him before the tape got out yeah you know what i'm saying that's why it doesn't make sense sight, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So I don't, I think they just died. I don't think it had anything to do with Eminem. But what I do think is that they was trying to shop the tape and get 50 bands for the tape. You gave them 15,000. You know what I'm saying? And I paid them in. I gave them five that day. They was happy.

We put them up in a hotel. Gave me after I said that, I think, another five and another five. And then I heard one of them died. Then I heard another one of them died. And I just was like, but it was never no song about, you know what I'm saying. And if you, I bet you go ask bizarre. something now, Brazah probably be like, yeah, what, because, you know, Bazar somewhere

probably, you know what I'm saying? Bazar's a cool dude. Bazar don't want, Bazar knows that. And of course, I'm sure a lot of those guys don't want to get on here and bash M&M because I'm sure M did a lot for him, but a few of those guys really ain't doing that well. You know what I'm saying? And no disrespect to them, because I know what it's like to, like, be out here,

struggling and, you know what I'm saying? But he made a lot of money, so whatever happened with them, you know what I'm saying um it's not going the same so and that's up and that's their business so whatever bizarre said it was you could probably get a different answer out of them right now but but yeah we had no reason to lie about that like he made the tapes he said all these things the judge just made me so you could do 30 seconds so I had to take n-bitt bitch I had to take all the ill shit cut it and then we shrunk wrapped it it was 30 seconds because the judge wouldn't let me do nothing else you know and we won and they had to pay out of

lawyer $200,000. Right. Nobody ever knew that. That is a big W for the little guy right there though. A federal case. We won a federal case against Inescope Jimmy and Eminem. And this is like an era where fair use and like the understanding of what could be put out in that regard was like very much

less clear. Because now you could just make a YouTube video and you could call the YouTube video. Let's talk about Eminem's racist tapes and then you could put little snippets of all that shit and nobody's going to be able to tell you shit. Bro. That was like a precedent. Yeah. You know what I'm And, you know, I mean, who knew it was going to go that far?

I mean, honestly, like, and don't get me wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, I, you know, me having the magazine, I took it far because I had the magazine. So it did because of the magazine and the influence of the power of the magazine had. I could see now how it looked it, you know. It was a crazy time, Adam, man. You know, I mean, people think that, like, once that happened with Eminem and the source, that that's was the down.

but it wasn't. That had nothing to do with it. Like when Jimmy took his ads, we still had Cadillac McDonald. You know, we said, you know what I'm saying? You know, we still had the other labels, you know, that was, you know, granted, they had, should maybe 50% of hip hop at that time.

I mean, he had a big roster. Interscope was very, very, whatever was on Universal, not even just Interscope. Whatever was Universal, Jimmy was running. If we're talking about 2001, 2002, I mean, magazines basically were in a death spiral, like five years later.

That's what it happened. So no matter what, this is the direction it was going. Because, okay, that's one thing I wanted to mention to you, too, is that a lot of people give 50 cent credit for destroying Jha Rule's career. And I've heard it argued by some people who make very compelling cases that Jarl rule's career was already in a death spiral. By the time, 50 started going in on them. My opinion is this.

Every music has its time, all right? People, Jha, Jha, Jha's biggest music really can be looked upon as pop. All right. Great hooks. upbeat, happy music that older people can play. Very, very light curse words. You know what I'm saying? Jalo's singing, Ashanti's singing.

Everybody's singing. These are major stars. It was just a time for a shift for some gangster shit. And 50 was the gangster shit. And once he got with Doc, see, it's about timing, bro. Like, jazz music had its time. Now here comes some gangster shit. It didn't have to be 50.

It could have been somebody else. the music was going to push Jaws music aside, not necessarily Jaws' career because he's never lost his career. Joss still makes a lot of money. He's one of the few artists that can still make a lot of money touring around the world because some songs he did are timeless. And, you know, 50 being the bad guy and coming in, because remember, he came with the mixtape,

it's not like he just came in and knocked Jaya out. There was a few artists of that genre of music that got knocked out. You know what I'm saying? It just looked at Jha because they had the beef. But it wasn't Jha's career that died. It was that type of music that, you know what I'm saying, died. I heard somebody make this point the other day. I thought it was really well said.

It was that when 50 came out, that was the first time that you had the number one rapper who was also the number one street rapper. And that had never happened before. Because he got, again, everything aligned up perfectly for 50. He got with Eminem. He got with Dre. Like, and then in New York, he's, he already put in the work with the mixtapes for the street shit. It just was a perfect situation.

Because we were so used to at that time, if you wanted to be this big commercial rapper, like we all, when you go back and listen to albums from the late 90s and shit, it'll be like a bunch of dope shit. And then there'll be a couple shamelessly pop records. You were just basically forced to make those records. That was the only way that the labels were going to take a big risk on you. Yeah, yeah. And now a big NBA young boy. song typically sounds like a faking NBA young boy son they're not there's no label telling them that they need to do something yeah we need to do a pop song so we can get it on power 73 like yeah yeah

there's no that shit no more you know what I'm saying which is good right you know it's like thank goodness for that um I just think that you know it's it's like hip hop shifts and jill just got caught up in a shift but like I said he them songs will live like he will perform them songs for the next a lot as long as he can he can perform honestly because everybody grows with those songs and people don't realize women you know people kind of you know when they think about jazz career and jazz like it's a guys think about it through a beef situation and beef situation usually comes through guys women and ain't thinking about that shit right women want to party have a good time drink shop you know what I'm saying yeah that beef and

shit they're not impressed with that shit you know what I'm saying it's it's the guys mentality you know what I'm saying even when they're older yeah 50 cent ruined your Rous, go ahead, man. Jaya, his career, when I looked at it, it never got ruined. You can't ruin a person's career, you know what I'm saying, that has sold the millions of song that Jarl Roo sold. But the other thing, too, is that they had the Murder Inc. Fed case at the time, which also makes it look as if shady aftermath had this gigantic victory over them,

when in reality that Fed case made it, like, extremely hard for them to move as a cohesive business as well. I went through the same shit. You know, I got indicted. So, you know, like the guy at the source war, wire, you know what I'm saying? Our accountant. And it was crazy. But back to the Irvinham, just like us, the feds, when you're making all that money, Irvingham was making so much money.

When you're making all that money, they're really not understanding that, they're really not, excuse me, I'm sorry, they're really not understanding that that young guys from the street with criminal records are making money now with hip hop and they're making millions and they don't have to kind of like sell drugs anymore you know what I'm saying they're actually making more money than they did when they sold the drugs so was actually murdering would you get indicted for though so okay there was a federal investigation with the source because that there was a point where you know we're making a couple of million dollars a month in the advertisement so you know Boston there was

always you know investigating me for a lot of different shit Right. Especially being like one of the only people of color coming out of the hip hop community who's making real money. I mean, but before that it was the situations, just hood shit and, you know, me coming up. And, you know, Boston, the hood of Boston is only, you know, 10, 15 miles radius, you know. You know what I'm saying? So it's not like it's too difficult, you know, when you think about it now to look to get on the nigga. But they was on me, you know what I'm saying?

And there was, there's stories like Jader and them was telling the story that when they, we got a situation with them that when they went, you know, they told the story. When they got locked, when they got taken down to the station. The cops were asking them. And the cops were asking them. And the cops asked them, how come they didn't get me? Right. You know what type of shit is, you know what type of shit is that?

And see, I knew they was doing that because, you know, when, when I linked up with Jada and the guys from the Rough Riders and we was there to talk about what happened and squash it, that's when they told me. like man what did you do what did you do up there he said may say you know jac he called me ray he said ray man they really want to say man they're trying to put you up there and see but this has been for years for years like i'm talking like if you ever seen the fourth trial on um HBO's my man stutter shout you know and it was about this cop getting killed dirty cop Joe mulligan and he come from a family of cops but dirty dirty dirty dirty so so so

he got killed. Now, Joe Mulligan used to chase me. The first cop to ever shoot at me was Joe Mulligan, this cop. So it's like people don't realize how, like, Boston, like, you know, because I've been to a lot of other cities. Like Boston, since it's racist, we're boxed in on what we could do. And now you're fighting against blocks that are literally, like, maybe five blocks down every day all day.

And then every, it's pumped shotgun. and revolvers. It wasn't, you know, dude's whole shit was getting blown off because they was getting hit with shot, pump shotguns, sawed offs. Like Boston was a hard town to grow up and, you know,

then it had its projects too. And all the projects are within two, three miles of each other. Bobby Brown's project, new additions, projects, not too far. Columbia Point project. You know what I'm saying?

Were the guys from Detroit, YBI? I mean, you know, Boston, people don't realize how big of a drug city in a hood and gang, you know, there was like gang, probably the first East Coast city to have real gang bang it. Like, no question. You know, because they had a hire a gang task force.

Probably one of the first East Coast cities to hire a gang task force. Yeah. Yeah. And then since then, my name always. So we're starting to get all this money from the source. And, you know what I'm saying? There was an investigation going on. And it was with the feds.

And there was, this was going on for almost like a year and some change where they'd be sitting downstairs. And we, you know what I'm saying? Just like you see on the movies. two guys sitting. George Moore, a white guy that Dave hired to be our accountant. So he's on the business side,

his office next to Dave. And he said he got approached over to George Washington Bridge at the Dunkin Donors to wear a wire. You know what I'm saying? So, now mind you, we're giving George like $150,000 a year and I think a car allowance.

Now, the only real conversation me and George come up and have is, hey, George, hey, Ray, we talk Patriots and Jets because he's from Jersey. And you know what I'm saying? That's it. I don't really know him.

So, you know what I'm saying? When I come in, my conversation usually be with Dave. I might go to the other side, see a couple of guys on the other side. But, you know, I never had an office up at the source the whole time at the source. I just ain't an office guy.

I get, you know what I'm saying? I never really, you know what I'm saying? It would just be a waste. I tried to make it look good, but then I ended up giving it to somebody. But it's, you know what I'm saying? I was hard. There was hardly there.

I was just, there was a couch in Dave's office. I just get on there. We smoked bruntz and we talked all night. Dave stayed across the street in Union Square. And man, man, we used, that's where we made all decisions. But I never understood why he would wear the wire. When they asked him that, they said he thought it would be fun or that would be an adventure. I don't know what, it was like, I swear to God, it's what he said.

That's an amazing excuse. I never heard that. Bro, and like, and this, this is the craziest shit was that he had a, he had like a like a thing right one day and he's the only one to be wearing I'm like a little name badge or something right okay with a number across it and I'm like and it and it didn't dawn on me right I'm like nobody else up here got this my thing on this shit so I'm thinking it's something that all accountants in New York must have see I swear to God I'm thinking like it's a taxi thing like you know what I'm saying if you're a taxi you need the emblem I'm thinking

maybe medallion maybe all because he didn't have it before but then he wore it every day And I'm like, maybe in my mind, this is where I thought it was that this is something that he got to, this is what all accountants got to wear that. Right. He's an accountant. Maybe he's a New York accountant. And that's what that was. Because I did not. That was the fucking wire.

Wow. So he wore that. The charges was extortion, money laundering, two murders in Boston. It was like two, two, three other charges. And they was already trying to offer me like 25. years. And they had recordings of you talking about? They interviewed over 120 people. The feds interviewed over 120 people, maybe 160. Guys were telling me that they were guys was getting pulled out of Fed, the, you know,

the federal prisons in Pennsylvania. And they, you know what I'm saying? The whole source got interviewed everybody, a lot of people in Boston got interviewed. The reason now that shit fell apart. They were spending too much money and all of a sudden they couldn't connect no dots and fell apart, all right? So now the IRS, because it's two officers. There's criminal, then there's IRS. They're both feds, so the IRS fed, then we're going to indict them. And that's where they gave homie, the George, the fucking wire, say,

look, we need you to get him to say that he's not going to do his taxes. We need you to make him say that shit. And now this is, so now this is a point where this is my, hey, Ray, we got to you, I don't know the fucking taxes, right? So, hey, Ray, this is starting to happen often. After a while, I'm getting mad. we go on tour I get you know I stopped answering his call

and I was like Dave man what the fuck is about your man I said tell him I don't know I don't know nothing about no fucking taxes this is what exactly what I'm saying this is what we hiring him for I said why do you keep asking me about this I never thought that he was a rat

or anything so then then finally the last straw when he was two times was on the bus he called two times and he called two times was like hey Ray we got to do your time I hung up on him now the list that they interview people on the criminal,

since I never got indicted, I could never ever see who that list of people are in what they said, because I didn't get indicted. But George's list I could see from the wire. So every time I would hang up, you would hear this, he hung up on me in.

You could hit because we would hear all this shit behind it because he was still wearing the wire. So I was like, look at this shit. So I got indicted. They offered me five years. You know, taxes. Everybody gets it.

Al Capone got here with taxes. You know what? I said, you know what? I'm going to take it to trial. They offered me three. The worst I can get was five. And Coy had just been born kind of. It would give me more time with her. I knew I was going.

I said, let me go do this five. Is everybody around me then did this time for me to go do mine? You know what I'm sad? At that point, I didn't know serious time. You know what I'm saying? So I accepted it. I said, fuck it. I don't have nobody come down to the federal.

The federal court is this brand new court on the water. Every judge has marble floor. You should see this shit. This shit looked crazy, man. So I had an all-white jury because picking your jury, anybody in here know Almighty RSO, raise your hand. Source magazine, raise your hand. Made men, raise.

So every black person is. Every black person comes out. Okay, yeah. There was one India, and he was an alternate, right? So I knew I was going. So I hired a lawyer. I had a little bit. We didn't already lost the source and everything.

I had my jewelry left. And my lawyer was going to charge me like, you know, close to $300,000. You know what I'm saying? For the case. So I sold my jewelry, that big Zeno piece. And Leonard Sands, a little Jewish guy out of Miami, no, Boca Raton, came up there. And, man, five days the trial went on.

George came up and testified. I'm sitting there like, I could not believe it, man. I just couldn't. He was shaking like I could see him visibly shaking, though. Because there was no fucking reason for him to wear a wire on me. There was no, like, what did I do to you? I've never was disrespectful to him. I mean, the whole time, because Dave hired him, he worked with us for years.

This isn't like we just hide this dude. He was with us for years. And I just couldn't, them looking at him. I don't want to try to mean mugs. I know the jury's looking. I'm just like, I damn there was shedding a tear, man, because I'm like,

damn, like we was cool. Like, you could tell he was out of place up there because it was hip hop, but he was kind of like half Italian, half Jewish or something. And he just seemed like he was out of his place. It seemed like, hey, man, where are you guys going? Like, we would go to the strip club

and he looked like he'd want to come. Come on, George, you come. Nah, man, I can't go. It just looked like some, I don't know, some lifetime movie shit was going on with him and his wife or something, man. Like, it was just some weird shit going on and like it just seemed like he was like a lonely guy or something like you know here you got the

office the office is popping music weed everybody you know pictures of this crazy and george is in his office late night like how can you ain't went home yet george it's like right and he's sitting there like i just couldn't understand why he and i and i never had a chance to ask him of course after that because you know i can't be be next to him anything because he was a witness but because usually when people snitch you don't agree with it but you totally get it like Yeah, nobody wants to go to prison. I didn't understand it. But this dude didn't even have something like that hanging over his head?

Nothing. What the fuck? This was crazy, bro. There was no reason. I never ever had an argument with him. I never, I mean, but again,

I'm looking, now that I look, he's just looking at us, he's probably just jealous. Just like, look at these young black kids. Look at the, I'm sitting here and all.

But he's getting paid a lot of money. We gave George, George's making six figures for being our count. I don't even, I don't know what the fuck it was, man. But it's like, you know for me to get ready to go do some time over that month just for them they said they met him in dunkin donuts bottom breakfast and everything right there and i know the dunkin don'ts he got on like when you get on george washington bridge on four it's right there and so you beat this or what happened so it was a um closing arguments my lawyer is giving the closing arguments he passes out emt's come they pick you're a lawyer my lawyer lenis sans because he was like an old guy

So he passes out and shit. So they bring him back to the judge's chambers. He comes out on the gurney with the oxygen. He's waving to me. I'm like, oh, shit. So when I went back to the hotel because I was living in Miami at the time, and I didn't even tell nobody about this. I don't want nobody to know.

You know what I'm saying? My mother was living at this time. So if I was going to happen, I was going to be there by myself. And so I went back, and then it was next thing you know, he came back and went to Boston City Hospital. was his heart defibrillator at f*** up or something came back gave closed arguments three hours later not guilty i almost passed out i could not believe it bro i thought i just it was like i couldn't believe him man and i just couldn't believe it because you don't beat federal cases man right you know they

you know and the way this went was just and even you know one thing i do know is this because the judge at the end of it she didn't even understand it the judge is like what the fuck is going on what it she's looking at the prosecutor like what was this the prosecutor couldn't say nothing because it he knew it was a part of a big investigation but when that fell apart then it was like okay we got to get him on something because they didn't spend millions of dollars already investigating me following me like i was getting followed like i could see them following me in new york when i was living in new york wow it was crazy man then you know we that's when everything started tumbling down after that um after that

Like around that same, you know, everything is just happy. We lost it. You know what I'm saying? To Black Enterprise. And then, yeah, man, it would just, you know, with me, though, see Dave. Because you had the hip hop daily thing after that, right? Hip-Hip weekly. Weekly, right.

But that was just something just to keep, you know, like, Dave took it hard. Like, Dave took it, like, emotionally hard. Right. To where, like, because, you know, that was his, you know, I mean, he, it, it changed him. You know what I'm saying? And me, I haven't been through so much crazy shit. This is just like, man, fuck that. We're going to go get some more money.

You know, it's because we was broke. We didn't have shit. But it's just, it's crazy when you look at people's lives who take a big hit in this sort of regard. Because men build up so much of their self-worth around their net worth and around, you know, the network of people that fuck with them. And the business that you own and you start telling yourself stories about who you are now. And you, you know, convince yourself that I'm this entrepreneur now. I'm not a regular guy. I'm a rich guy.

I'm a millionaire. I'm all these things. And then you really get to see what a person is made out of when they lose that and kind of have to just figure out what life is after that. You know, I'm be honest, I swear, Adam. Like, with me, it was, man, like, went straight to Miami. I was happy being back in Miami. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Then, you know, you know who looked out for us? After all the people, me and Dave, that helped that just were in. And like, you know who looked out for? Lisa Ray. So she was like queen at that time. Remember she had married the king of one of them islands? Right, yeah, yeah. And she was queen.

And, you know what I'm saying? She gave us some money and we started, you know, with the hip-hop weekly thing. And it was doing good. You know what I mean? It was paying the bills. It was making some moves. And you guys just saw that as an emerging category that could be a good business?

I came up with that because I came up with that because I was always into the fanzines and I said look Dave the days of reading eight pages are overweight I said it's now it's quick reading they want to see pictures they want to see you know what I'm saying they want to and they want to talk I said we hired Wendy I was want to say let's go get Wendy we gave Wendy a column a gossip column I was like this gossip shit and everything is starting to kind of you know what I'm saying and I said well you know let's see if we can although the magazine that Wendy part was the only gossip part of it at the other magazine I just kind of made it like a baby sauce just slow

reading you know what I'm saying instead of air to the street word on the street you know instead of 16 bars something you know I mean like we just took little different segments from it and added in there but just in a much smaller and we wanted to give it to you every two weeks we didn't have the means to do it every week because doing a magazine every week is people understand it's hard as hell doing every two weeks right because you have to beat deadlines and we did it virtually like nobody we didn't have office the art directors over here the journalist is over here Dave's here editing I mean

It's all like we really killed that shit. Like I mean, honestly, like shout to war, Dave, Cynthia Horner, Cavario, like, like, really hardy. Like, everybody worked hard. It was just about six of us. And we was pumping that shit out every two weeks. And man, like that, you know, we put a lot of magazine covers out with that. And, you know, paid the bills, kept us out there. But it wasn't the source.

And plus times changed it. You know what I mean? Pretty much the magazine game was like really on its last lap after that. Right. Because I feel like the next big hip-hop media platform after the source is like World Star. What was your perspective on World Star by the time that started to become dominant? Good question. Before World Star was, I think it was all hip-hop. True, true. True. Yeah, that'll wrong. You know what I'm saying? There was like the digitally, you know what I'm saying? World Star, to me, broke from that because they was video-based. So anything video-based, they was like the first where all hip-hop was still trying to do journalism, still trying to.

to write articles and shit world style wasn't like into articles they're just playing videos so i thought you know at that time you know like back in the day you know what i'm saying like uncle ralph you know i'm saying you always had different independent video things before mtv came um b et you know there's not too many platforms so world star gave it there was a platform that was needed and they gave they was the first to give a huge platform for videos and because part of when you're describing double excel it kind of felt like it was a race to the bottom in a sense because one of Elliot's key innovations was oh we're gonna put 50 on the cover every a month or they parted up with four or five times throughout the course of a year

they had to they had to that was the deal they had okay if we're gonna you know then yeah you gotta give us this even after the beef right you know what I'm saying we still gotta run our shit and then I think that's what fucked them up ultimately you know what I'm saying like believe it or not you know what I'm saying And the one great thing I think that Elliott did with that was like the young, what's it was like the young people on the cover? What's that called? Oh, the freshman cover.

Yeah, yeah. I think that was the one, the one thing that they did that was, you know what I'm saying, that to me, they added to the culture with that. See, Source Magazine done so many things for the, the five mics is embedded in the culture forever. As far as a rating system. Like, you know what I'm saying? The Source Awards will always be known. You know what I'm saying?

So that's embedded in that. Those two things we got. I think that XXL can say, hey, look, we got the freshman cover because, you know what I'm saying? I like that. You know what I'm saying? Still to this day,

that's the only time the double XL is really relevant every year. And I would say the amount of noise that it makes at this point is basically a whimper. Like it was a big deal. Even 2016, 2017, those covers were still legendary.

I feel pretty safe in saying the five, ten years from now, we're going to look back at 2023 and say, nobody gave a fuck that cover ceased to mean anything. I just like, you know, like the artwork. You know, one thing about the source, you know, rest of peace, the Chimo do. You know, our art in photography was always amazing back then. I mean, when you look back at some of the pitches that they did, man,

like, yeah, we got like that's when, again, it's just, you know, Now, right now, everything is just so fast moving, so fast, fast, fast, everything's getting put out so fast. Back then, you could just really see how art took its time. You know what I'm saying? To really give you, like, because when I just, I'm just thinking now. I'm just thinking of all those images, man, and those covers. And we had some amazing images.

And that took, you know, that took, I think, the source progressing to the point of everybody in their respective areas of the magazine. were at the top of their game. And it's like we had the dream team at one time, like where things were just as a magazine, you know, nothing about the awards, nothing else, just magazine-wise, where shit was just clicking so well,

like, you know, with the art and stories and, you know, picking, giving the right mics, you know what I'm saying? Because that's an art in itself because to get everybody, to please everybody. And then people want five, you know what I'm saying? Right.

We always do not want four and a half and shit. like but yeah you know the source magazine man i think it just not just timing but i think at there was a time and period and it might not have been the entire time but there was a time a good time period where things clicked to well to where everything that source was just like putting out creatively was just at the top of its at top of its game yeah no 100% yeah and i mean by the time you get to world star it's kind of fascinating because one of world stars like key innovations that you now, you still see the trickle down from it, is that they sort of realized we don't really need top superstar rappers to be doing original content for us. We don't need a

50 cent to pose for a magazine cover or doing an original video for World Star because we have Brian Pumper. We have, we have riffraff. We have all of these weird fucking people in hip-hop that are way outside of the superstar status, but they're going to get millions and millions of views because they are shocking. And we still see that to this day where whether it's double Excel or academics, say cheese, no jumper, et cetera,

they all are posting a lot of the same user generated content in the sense that, you know, most of those publications are not even worried about creating like content as high quality as what we're doing right now. But if Benzino is taking a shit in the morning and he picks up the phone and says, hey, It's cheap. Right.

And every, and that's, as a result, most of these media platforms barely have an identity to call their own. And that's why something like this, I have to, like, even though we might make more money from selling Instagram promo than from doing actual podcast, this is the thing that separates us. It makes us have like a real identity. Get no debate from here with that. You're absolutely right. I mean, and that, but that's, that's where it's went. That's where it's going. That's where, you know, who knows what it's going to be.

but ever since, I mean, you look at Howard Stern, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I know he wasn't the most hip-hopish, but, you know, once he started coming out and just people starting to see, hey, wait a minute, you can, yeah, you can say that. You know what I'm saying? It starts trickling down to hip-hop. Like now, it's like the problem with it now, though, is that it's going to, it's getting too like, you ever see the magazines where you pick up and it's like dragging people found in Arizona. that's where we're going with it now. Dragon people, you know what I'm saying? Reptilians found in Lake Lanier.

Like, we're going there with it. And see, YouTube is starting to be a very strange place now. And if they don't be careful, it'll get to the point. Like, it'll hurt. It'll hurt. If they keep going down that sensational bullshit, it's going to hurt more than, And then all the great ones,

there'll have to be something else to put on and not YouTube. All the great shit that don't want to be around that foolishness. And that, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know what I'm saying? Like, for the most part, you guys are successful

because you're putting across a good product. You're not sensationalizing. They see you, they hear you, you're accessible. All right. Sensationalizing shit is just somebody, anybody's saying, putting some number getting click base,

saying the wildest shit. You know what I'm saying? definitely on some discrimination shit defamation shit saying any I mean it's crazy I'm just afraid that if it keeps going like that especially through hip hop then that's what's gonna hurt that's what's gonna hurt hip hop more than anything because if that's what's gonna be the entertainment then what the f*** do you need rapping for you know what I'm saying if that's where it's at now if you want us to just see some crazy pitches and some crazy and that's what that's what gets your rocks off then it's

like, damn, then, you know, we've lost this great thing that we've built, that was built on something way more, you know, way more, you know, tangible than this bullshit, you know what I'm saying? And it don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to, like, you know, that's what people do on the incident. That's what people do. But I just know that, man, if we could, if we could just stay towards the shit that makes sense and shit that brings knowledge in good entertainment, opposed to the bullshit.

then man, how much more stronger would and how much more money would the culture make? I honestly think that that type of shit is going to lose more and more money, I think. I don't think that's going to be worth anything. So I think it's interesting that hip hop, like basically two ways to perceive it and I feel like it's kind of generational,

where from your generation, hip hop is this emerging art form that is representative of your community and your culture and therefore it's worth fighting for it to be huge for to have integrity, etc. Now we live in a world where a huge percentage, definitely the vast majority of hip hop fans, hip hop has always been basically the dominant culture

throughout their entire lives. So the idea of like going out of your way to support it or to, you know, make it great or to fight for hip hop to be, you know, number one, very, very foreign to people. People just kind of have gotten used to just accepting that it is what it is. Right, right.

And that's kind of understandable because they didn't see it grow. They didn't see it blossom up from something else. Even for me, throughout most of my life, it kind of felt like rap was the biggest form of music. Maybe rock or grunge or whatever is kind of like bigger in the 90s at a certain point. I was going to say back then. Yeah, yeah. And even like I remember around the time I started this podcast, I kind of had this weird realization of like, oh, this EDM shit is getting huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I knew that wasn't going to last thing. And I didn't like it. And I didn't know anything about it. And I remember thinking like, damn, like maybe. It's still popping. It's still popping. When I say it's not going to last, but I knew it wasn't going to cross over

like everybody thought it was. Right. Like people were really thinking, like, this was going to be the new hip-hop shit. Like, right, ro-ro- I never got it.

I'm like, how could this, how could just the beat be better than a beat with a guy creating some very fascinating, interesting? So I cannot, cannot front,

like the way most of that shit is chopped, the way you chop it. Yeah. But, I mean, some of that shit really had a, I'm all for a big vibe, big type, you know, like mean type shit. So I used to feel it, but I knew it wasn't gonna, I knew it just wasn't gonna like, okay, just getting hip hop and then stay in hip hop.

I knew it was kind of be like a little fat. I knew that was going to be a fat. Yeah, it appeals to a very specific. There's still a huge audience that f***es with that. Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, everybody was saying that Walker was fucking with EDM heavy and she, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people said that kind of killed his career.

What was that the EDM thing? That it, you know, kind of took him out of the box that people were used to receiving him in where he was kind of like the hardest street rapper for a period of time. And then the EDM stuff kind of was a mixed message for certain people. This is my thing with that. I think if it's two separate demographics, it doesn't because Walker's demographic. They're not even into that news of what's going on. They don't know nothing about that EDM for the most part.

So he could always go back and make a song and still get to his audience no matter what. That's just how I think. Again, you know, when people, listen, music, people, the only artists kill their own careers. It's not necessarily people can kill your career. If you're the type to give up or if you're the type that can't make a good product that people want, then that's what happens naturally. You know, people, it's hard, especially when you get touched big success, it's hard, you know, only a few can keep that going. You know, only a few can care. Those are the ones, to me, who you could label a superstar.

Like, Future's a superstar. A future has, like, a body of music that keeps strong every time he puts out. Like, it just doesn't get any weaker. No matter what is the sound. To me, that, you know what I'm saying, when you can always put out good music, year after year after year after year, that's what makes. That's what makes. There's only a few.

those. You know, a lot of these guys can only put out a song, a two. And that's it. Yeah. And a lot of them don't realize that once you have like a hot song or a six-month period where they're popular, it's like this is, that might have felt like it was your life's work to get to that point. But the battle to continue to be popular as the years go by, that's a real challenge.

Because every week that goes by, you're going to have more and more young kids coming out that are fighting for your spot. And just because of the hip-hop audiences' attention span, it's just, you know, they're quick to write you off. I mean, even when that 21 album came out last week, which I actually listened to a couple times, which is kind of out of the ordinary for me. That's my type of shit anyways, that mid-gaster.

Because he's, he got the samples, but he's rapping about street shit. It's like Mobb Deep. He's also elevating. 21 to me is what Mobb Deep was, you know what I'm saying, back in that type of mid-sumple, dark, you know what I'm saying? shit's hot for sure but I feel like one of the comments I saw on Twitter was I saw somebody say oh so y'all were so ready to cancel the baby for using the same flow on every song well

when are y'all going to get to 21 so they're like reaching for reasons to get somebody out the 201's 20s vibe is different than the babies I'm saying 21's vibe that that that that the beats he picked those samples and everything they're different from what the baby's picking baby's more animated. You know, 21 is starting to really get into a soulful roots. You know, soulful, you start, you starting to hear it. You know what I'm saying? I think, like I said right now, like, you know,

that's how I used to be like when I would put on a Mobb Deep album and Havoc produced. You know, those mid-tempo dark joints, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I think that shit is dope. 21's dope, you know? He's one of the ones I listen to, actually. And people are forgetting the 21 when he came out and got popular. His music was pretty singular. in the sense that it was just straight,

shoot him up, murder shit, nonstop. And now he's evolved. He's got a lot more variety to his shit, and he could still make records that's hard as nails like that, yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? Chicks are a fucking heavy, so. Hang out with Drake that much. You're going to pick up some game, right?

Hey, listen, man. Listen, man. You know, it's crazy as, like, when I'm out there, I do a lot of showcases, and I'd be like, man, how long you've been rapping two years? That shit be blowing me away. Like, back in the day, you could never be like, I've been rapping two years.

You can never say, you know, it's just different, man. It's so easy now just to call yourself a rapper now. It's too easy. Yeah. You know, I'm a rapper. Like, no, you got to earn that shit. Like, you couldn't come to a block party and there'd be a mic there. And there's a line of guys getting ready to rock.

If you knew in your head, you wasn't, you wouldn't even do it to yourself. Now, niggas would do it to their self. They don't even care. Right. Like, you know, I suck and I'm still going to. show everybody that I suck you know what I'm saying but when you really saw that that culture had kind of faded away was that a that Ebro interview that he did with little oozy where they tried to put on some premiere beats or some shit and try to get him

a freestyle over it and he was just like no yeah I mean the fact that he was so good so this is a hip-hop a legendary media entity and hip-hop and the beats are from a legendary entity and hip-hop and here we have a brand new artist and his perspective is you I'm not doing that shit yeah I mean I mean, it's so changed now. It's so changed. Like, it really has. Like I said, you know, people, I mean, you know, you just want to be a personality.

You don't even have to rap. I know guys that never ever rap and just definitely, yeah, I, shit, man, I lived my life. I did that. I want to be able to tell my story. And now they want to rap. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's not that hard.

Like, now, nowadays, you say one line. If you got a dope engineer, I mean, a dope engineer, you say one line punch, one line punch, one line. One line punch. One line. They had that moh. It sounded like you was, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it's crazy. So that's probably the worst thing about hip hop is that nobody's really putting in the work.

There's a few out there, not everybody. I've seen these guys called the hoodies. They out of New York, these young, their brothers, one younger brother, one older brother. But they spit so hard, man. I'm like, damn, man, that's the shit that I want to hear too. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm hearing everything. I like, you know, the drill, the trail.

You know, but I still want to hear that. rap over dope-ass beats shit too because that shit is to me they'll never get old man but so okay you come from a street background and then also loved hip-hop at the same time but well let love hip-hop's way later okay yes that's way later but so now we have all this new generation of kids where the street shit and the rap shit is completely intertwined and totally amplifies everything well dudes will go kill somebody come in the booth and rap about it the next day and put it on live This is where it's sad now, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy now.

Like, you know, we wrapped about stuff. We necessarily didn't go out and we have to go do something to rap about it. We just rapped about what life was. Right. Not necessarily. Like, we have to go hurt somebody and then run back and, you know what I'm saying? Right. But, you know, these young guys, they're only a product of what we gave him.

So, you know what I'm saying? You can't blame them. You know what I'm saying? You can't blame. You know, there really is no blame. It's just the evolution of hip hop. And but what can What has to be said is shown

It's just a balance You know what I'm saying that look okay We got that but You know I think kids are seeing that now Like you know The six kids that went to jail The other day over over the ducks shit Like you know what I'm saying now

When they get sentenced I'm sure it's gonna hit a lot of people You know what I'm saying And over these last few years People are seeing It's dying and going to jail so much that, you know, I think people, I think these young guys would look at it and be like,

man, is that how I want to live? Or is this really what I want to do? Because, you know, it's, there's not too many. There are options. You have options. You don't have to be a, you don't have to do. You do, you do have options. Most people do.

I've never been a part of hip hop where it was this much death in jail. within the industry since I've never seen no shit like this. The two biggest drill cities in America or Chicago and New York, and in both cases, you basically have to acknowledge that the vast majority of the main talents from both are gone. Or they go to Jacksonville too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying?

It's, you know, Houston, I'm saying shit, Detroit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Man, like for real. Like, you know, Boston has been like that for so long. I want to say I take it for granted, but we've been doing that. That's been us since, like, the early 80s. So it's just unfortunate where hip hop is now. Like, you know what I'm saying that, you know,

and even on Martin Luther King's birthday other day, I'm like, damn, I said, how can we have a holiday if we continue to really be out here, you know, beasting each other, like the way we do? How can we even have a holiday? And I'm just trying to think. I'm like, what can hip hop do to change that? And I don't know if it could ever be changed at this point. Yeah, because like with those dudes from Obolok getting locked up for the FBG Duck murder

or getting, you know, sentenced or they haven't been sentenced yet, but they were found guilty. That was all the result of hip hop. Oh, yeah. That whole thing there would duck. One guy, I mean, there's a bunch of guys got killed. But all that is a result of the energy from hip-hop. FBG Duck put out a song called The Dead Biches, I think, like pretty much right. before he got killed, which isn't to say that it wouldn't happen otherwise.

But I mean, there's just so much of this is rooted in the music. And it's kind of like a guilty pleasure for me in a sense, even just listening to a lot of these artists because I like the music so much. It's so real and intense. But then at the same time, you realize what you're listening to as you get older. It's the frequency, Adam, the frequency. We're just balls and energy in here. Frequency is, you know, we have, we have energy in us that attract.

That's why when you get goosebumps, you don't control that shit. That's just controlled from energy. Your shit stands on here. That's because there's energy. You have 33 metals inside of us. You know what I'm saying? So like, shit, you know what I'm saying? Like that low frequency energy, you know what I'm saying?

It attracts us. Right. Just like if you hear like a, you know, like a J-Roo song, you're not going to get the low-frequency energy from a J-Ru song from those songs. Right. You just, you don't be, you know what I'm saying? That's what that music does. It gives you high frequency.

You know what I'm saying? We just found the frequency that's so low that I'm just afraid like, man, like what can we do to turn it around or what can we do to our leave, give notice that this shit is only getting worse. Like those guys, man, I don't know. They're not even, none of them over 30 years old, I don't think. Oh, never, yeah, almost never.

If you make it in Chicago drill, if you make it to 30-year-oldhood. Yes. I don't see why there's some type of national, even within the presidency why that's not on the bat like on one of the main things is to it's to try to figure this out because when you look at it it's just like vietnam war there's nothing different like when you how many people die in the country a year 10 000 10 15s i'm not sure like 10 000 of years so there's a lot of young guys and i'm just like i know

for a fact that hip-hop has something to do it and i'm not going to be a hypocrite right yeah because i mean i remember at one point niki I put out a statement basically saying that it was ignorant to blame drill music for violence in New York City. And I'm like, this is a statement that nobody who pays attention to this music would ever make, because it's so unbelievably obvious that people are literally making diss songs about each other, or going on Instagram live and kicking the candles at the burial site and shit like that. It's not just rap because it's social media as well that amplifies all this shit that otherwise would have been small. Right. You know, I mean, it's just going to be a matter of when they, when they, when they're going to get tired of, it's going to be a matter of if some, I don't know, I don't know if it's going to be this generation, you know what I'm saying, or if it's going to be the next one, because if this one is, like when, when I look at it and I look at it coming up, it was nowhere, nothing like this. It's not even close. Now, there was deaths in the street, but I'm saying as far as a result from hip hop, these deaths are hip hop deaths. That have some type of conunders. That have some type of conunders.

connection through hip hop and you know what I'm saying that's unfortunate no because that's not what hip hop is supposed to be yeah that's crazy but it's also it's hard to imagine how it really changes because I think hip hop had like two different paths in front of it all the way back in the 90s which was kind of like gangster rap or political revolutionary rap you know and NWA won NWA demolished public enemy and you can blame that on the music or the culture whatever but at the end of the day then you blame it on the label those as well, which is probably a pretty fair point to make. But ultimately, it seems that, you know, senseless killing, yeah, and by all means, because

they're better than what I'm reducing them to in this argument. I love NW. But ultimately, it's like the people cast their ballot and said, like, hey, we would rather pay attention to all this crazy ass murder rather than some shit about how we need to change ourselves. NWA is probably, or how the world needs to change. I'm saying when you look at NWA, NWA just really. captured the the character of what young black guys out in the hood was right at that point like every single one in every city it didn't even matter if they was from LA or whatever they just captured it and man like the music that's why you know Dr. Dre you know the gangster music that he truly did gangster music because his music like you know real shaped lives like shaped minds you know street life like that was

that was a symphony to the streets. You know what I'm saying? Like without, you know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to think, how, before hip hop it was disco and R&B and everything. Like, without gangster music, man, man, life would be a lot different doing those things that we did in the streets and how we came up. What do you think it would have made you worse if you had had access to music like that?

You know what? That's a good question. Because, man, it was, that music charges you. and put a battery in your back, it charges you. Especially if you already got shit on your mind. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you drive into the scene, you, have you ever just listened to music?

It just made you drive faster? Oh, yeah. Everybody did that. Today. All right, you can't even control yourself when you do that. Like, that shit gets people pulled over, bro, because you can't control yourself. Like, that's, you're trying to match the speed

with your adrenaline at the moment. Yeah. And you're not even know you're doing it. You know what I'm saying? like your adrenaline so fast but the car's going so slow so you know your foot is just pressing that muffin just to match what you're failing so and then you get pulled over the car smells like weed you got a gun in your waistline here we go it's happened to a lot of fucking song bro i'm telling you yeah and i know a lot of motherfuckers out there um i went through

that shit that just shows you how powerful the energy is with hip-hop and a lot of these young guys is that the energy is too much for them yeah yeah i know it's like a lot of guys as they get older hip-hop guys, they tend to like reach a certain age and then they start to tell you like, yeah, I drive around listening in the, uh, Rheaitha Franklin or you know, they have like, their, their taste kind of gets away from the super

aggressive shit, but has that not happened to you? Listen, all I do when I get my car, I listen to, um, Sirius Radio, the three ones, the soul one, the groove. I listen because, man, see, you know, because I was a DJ way back in the day. Like, I had 10,000

album collection. Like my music knowledge and history is crazy, not just hip hop. So I really love, you know what I'm saying, old school shit, shit that, you know, band shit. Ohio players, Parliament Funkadelic, Marquay's, you know, Michael Jackson, you know what I'm saying? Like this, you know what I mean? And then I listen to them heavy on Stone Temple Pilots. Like I look like when I go lift, that's all I listen to is Stone Temple Pilots. Really?

That's crazy. Like for real, there still remains. Bro, I listen to that shit like 5,000 times. Really? Still remains. That's dope. Like 5,000 fucking times show, or at least. I'll go in there and live for an hour and a half

and just keep putting that over and over. Really? Yeah. So that repetition of a song is a thing for you? I heard you talking about that with Math Hoffa, too. Yeah, like I, you know, because, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's, I want to feel that. That's what's giving me the feeling.

That's why I get, like I can go to the gym because I'll play victim within myself. I'll find something, play victim. You know what I'm saying? Feel sorry for myself and then connect with a fucking, music has always been what's kind of connected my emotions and shit. That's why hip hop is a major part of my, and just music in general.

But songs like that, you know what I mean? Like, first it was, it was Nevada, you know what I'm saying? Just songs like, you know what I'm saying, that there's a certain melody that, hits you know what I'm saying it's like it's like the victim note you know what's what can make you push them the weights a little more it's just you know so I can't really explain it but you know what I'm saying yeah hip hop I don't listen to it in the gym and I don't listen to it and let sometimes but I listen to more of that type of music all kind of shit

kids from a rose from sale I listen to that in the gym over and over no just different shit yeah there's still like just I don't know hip hop just kind of does it for me in the gym but now but you know You need many things throughout your life. And so one thing for me now is I find myself listening to a lot more alternative rock, grunge, etc. Like old folk music that I was into when I was younger and stuff because now I have a kid. And so I don't want to listen to rap around or a large percentage of the time because my girl is flip out. Yeah.

My girl does not want my kid listening to swearing at all. So it's officially like, yeah. Like people that do that, I believe, you know, and again, I don't, you know what I'm saying? But you shouldn't, man. Like you shouldn't have your kids be exposed to that shit early age. Even if they're two, three, four, five, none of that shit. You know what I'm saying? None of it.

The R&B and everything, not just hip-hop, R&B is all f***ed up too now. Like, sexual and shit. Like, you shouldn't. Honestly, I don't think that's good for your kid. You know what I'm saying? Listening to that. Because it's too, it's just too fast, man. It's too fast.

You got to let a kid be a kid. Yeah. You know, I think our kids are being developed way too fast. And I think that hurts them later on in life. I think that it makes them more immature later on in life. When you try to fill them up with all this grown shit, by the time they do get grown, they really not grown. Right.

Because they didn't mature slowly enough to know what it is to be grown. You know what I'm saying? Just because you're listening, you know what I'm saying, to all this crazy shit, that doesn't make you grown. But being grown is just life experiences and really a progression. You know what I'm saying? but, you know, listening to fucking, you know, if you got your kid at six, seven years old,

listening to hip hop, then that's a mistake to me. You can't do it, you know what I mean? There's definitely hip hop that I think qualifies as kids safe, but it's like... What would be kids safe? I put on like De La Sol and Tribe Call Quest, and my girl will agree with that. Whereas if I put on some Bronx drill...

What's buddy? Buddy's my friend. I was just like, I don't know. I can talk my way out of that shit. All right, this is the thing, sonically. Because buddy was pussy. Yeah, but when I play, when I play, like, Bronx drill, there's a few times where I foolishly tried to play some fucking drill music in the car with my kid.

And my girl does not understand a word they're saying, but just the frequency, just the vibe. Yes. Now, turn their shit off. It's not, it's just pure aggression. And, you know, I see, I see social media posts with these kids out here and just they're in the back of thing. And it's, you know what I'm just like?

That's just a mistake. man that's a mistake you're you don't even know how damaging that's going to be to them you know we live in a hypersexualized society you know and me look listen i don't get me wrong you know what i'm saying yeah i got the only fans and i'm yeah i like porn and all that but i don't want my kids around that shit you know what i'm saying yeah that's i think one of the the most difficult things and most important things if you want to be a parent in this day and age is that you need to be directly in control of the flow of media that your kid is taking in and you need to like really meticulously control that shit because the alternative is your kid okay your kid wants to

be on Twitter guess what I saw five people get in the head today on Twitter is out of control I see murders every day when I look at Twitter without trying it's gonna be like that for a while on Twitter well think it's gonna continue to be like that I kind of hope so because every other social network is so censored that it's like good for society to see that shit though is Is that, is that, like, is that good for society? I don't, like me, I don't think it is. I just, you know what I'm saying?

The shit is, like, I think, man, when we, I think, man, I just don't think that our minds were meant for that, for the bombardment of that type of, of those type of optics every day, bro. I think it shapes us. Yeah, no, it definitely does. I'm definitely more coldhearted as a result of seeing all killing on the internet over the years. Killing and porn is out of control on Twitter. Like, I never thought that, I was like, that's just too much porn.

I haven't thought I'd say that yeah but Twitter's just God did it was that a picture Elon Musk with a girl riding butt naked and he was like it's hot right now and he was looking at there's a picture this mark I think it was him sounds fake sounds like AI okay but I don't know he was like hot but he but but he posted it really yeah I didn't see this one yet I was like if this nigga posted that he's an ill-mar-fuss the richest man in the world posting his own oh shit I I f*** with him. If that was his pitch, I'll f*** him more now. That I ain't gonna lie. You know what I keep hearing from people? It's like, I'll mention something about porn and someone will say,

I've never really seen porn besides what I see on Twitter. So like these are people who have not gone out of their way to see porn at all. But Twitter just feeds them random chunks of porn to the point where they feel like they totally know what's out there. Now, do you ever look at and say, there's a lot of women doing porn? It's almost like millions of millions of men. And I talk to girls all the time who like, oh yeah, I went to school to be this. I'm saying amateur porn. And then I got into porn. No, but I'm saying being on Twitter just getting plastered like this like millions like every like it's crazy. It's very approachable. Whereas I'm reading this book about the history of the porn world and it's like in the 60s and the 70s in order to do porn you basically were like a drug addict. You were fucking disgusting. You were some

fat and woman. That's how stripping was. Stripping back in the day was you had to, you know, like in Boston it was called the Combat Zone and the strip clubs was in there. It was like where all the junkies hung out and the pimps and that's like it wasn't glamorous or sexy nothing. No. Hip hop kind of helped that,

emerge that to that, I think. I think hip hop put the sexy in strip clubs and made it more, you know, acceptable. Well, do you feel like you had a front row seat for the development of the video vixen? Of course. Well, sources eye candy. That was like the first, well, definitely, you know, well, yeah, the video Vixit too, but the source I can do is when like, you know, I guess the first Instagram models,

you know, what it was back then without Instagram. But yeah, man, I mean, women have been a major part of hip hop because that's what put, women put the sexy in hip hop, period. Like hip hop was backpack and conservative, but once that sexiness started coming in hip hop and the videos came in, that's really what kind of propelled hip hop even higher. So, you know, you have to give women their props for that. You know what I'm saying? Because the sex part, when that came in hip hop, that kind of pushed it.

And I saw a clip of Joe Button podcast within the last year or so, where I saw Melissa Ford basically making the argument that video vixons are a hugely undervalued part of hip hop history. And to me, this is like a miscalculation because, yes, we were all looking at y'all. Yes, we would pick up King magazine, you know, whatever. But to the extent of like caring about them as people or their personalities, like even in the only fans age, I see a lot of people who actually are interested in these women. I don't remember any of that in the video vixen age. You didn't look at the same. Look at me, video, the first, you know what I'm saying?

Like, because I, the booty video, the video, Melissa, she was, she was my video vixen in one of my vixen. in one of my videos. Yeah, I hear she was more than that, too. I mean, look, you know, listen, shout to Melissa Ford, you know what I'm saying?

A great podcaster. Shout to Melissa Ford. Me and Melissa Ford dated, you know what I'm saying? Oh, it was that serious. I didn't know that. No, no, no, it doesn't have to be serious

if you say data. That's just a better word of saying, you know, it's not like, you know, dated don't have to be, you know. Dated to me is, it's pretty serious.

what is dated what is dated to me is like we hung out for months and had some sort of emotional connection no okay well yeah it wasn't that okay it was it was the other dated but even if i like took a girl to the movies take her out to dinner a couple of times i kind of feel like well we were dating right we dated oh okay so if you go out one time one movie and one thing would that that's a date but i feel like if you go out to dinner and then you that you didn't date you just hung out one time okay so if you didn't you didn't date but if you hang out a couple if you hang out a bunch of times in public, you're having sex, etc. Okay, you pretty much dated.

Yeah, see, you know what? You move around so fast, like in the industry when it comes to, like, like, guys, me, girls on the video things, and if it's the artist, you know, now of times I attend it, the baddest chick there, the artist is going to try to holler at her anyways, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's, it ain't like, come on,

like, we're all adults now. Like, you got a lot of status there. Everything's been exposed. Like, come, like, that's obvious. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, whoever the artist is, whoever's the baddest one on, that's what the artist is going to try to holler at. And you know what I'm saying? That's just a regular situation.

It happens all the time. And shit, you know, I mean, the vixians are there to, that's why they're there for their career. And, you know, they're trying to get in that life. So, you know, nine times out of ten, they're going to hang out with the artists. I mean, that's a part of the, you know, that's a part of the whole thing.

You know what I'm saying? I've, I've dated a lot of video vixians. And, you know, my type of dating, you know what I'm saying? you know what I mean but but without the she's right though video vixen played a big part of hip hop

and I can say that now because they really put the sexy and you could give a lot of that to hype like hype kind of started introducing that like really highlighting the video girls like they would get damn there just as much air time

sometimes the artist the way they would come in and out and he kind of he was the master of that he was he was highlighting the shit out of that yeah I remember just looking at King magazine back then and these gigantic asses and just being like mesmerized

just had no capacity to understand at all. He came from Source too. Yeah. The guy from King. Okay. Yeah, he came from source too. Right. Yeah, I guess I was probably a little bit on the young side to like care about the

personalities of the video vixions. Because I remember when it started to click, which was when Joe started dating Tahiri. Right. And all of a sudden, through seeing the clips of them together on YouTube, and thinking she was super hot, it started to make sense to me. Like, oh, okay.

Look at it. I mean, like, again, like, before in some videos, they wasn't looking, you know, they was looking decent, but when hype, there was a time where you was like, wow, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn, she's bad, you know? And it really kind of, it was good

because it put young black women a chance to be looked upon as real, like, you know, beautiful women with makeup and everything on and the whole shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was, these are girls from the hood, and they, you know, they're on a video, and that might be the only time they could put back then

to put some dope makeup on and get glammed up. And you're looking at them like, whoa, like that was big. So looking at it now, I can see what she said. She's exactly right. Okay. I respect it. Okay. Random hot topic question.

But Dr. Umar went very viral a couple weeks ago for his take, which was basically Eminem can never be considered as one of the greatest, or as the greatest rapper of all time or presumably even he just assumed he thinks that Eminem's value is kind of overstated within hip-hop. Would you agree with that? And if Eminem's not the greatest rapper of all time, could the greatest rapper of all time be white?

As, of course, I think now, as hip-hop's evolved, yes. Yes, he can be white now. Because every hip-hop is evolved in all races are really, you know, putting in time into hip hop and years gone by him. People are paying their dues, as I've called it. As far as Dr. Umar, I see where he's coming from, um, you know, but then the argument is the same thing as like,

okay, well, Dr. Ney Smith invented basketball, then how could Michael Jordan be the best of basketball? And, you know, the thing is, the thing is the argument is that hip hop has taken, has been so personal to black people's lives of it just being a music. And maybe that's where I think the line gets blurred, the lines of blood because how we may look at hip hop, there's a certain white culture that might not look at it like that,

as far as hip hop goes. So in those, it depends on what lens you have on. With show buttons, you know, I've never seen nobody like be a fan. Like it's one thing about being a fan of somebody, but then it's another thing being on somebody's d. It's just, it's like I can understand a fan,

but then it's like when you want somebody's, that's just a, that's a personal thing, you know what I'm saying? And to me with him, and I think all, you know, everybody can have their personal favorites, but it's like, man, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he don't chair like that for nobody else.

You know what I'm saying? Like the way he stick for Eminem, and it's not like he talks about. about him all the time but when he does he really like you know what I'm saying and to me I you know I'm saying it's I don't know man I think I think Dr. Umar like me just gets tired of that shit like bro like relax like okay he's good like okay this is a hundred years later like you know what I'm saying um so I can understand Dr. Umar gets frustrated as as I do you know what I'm saying it's a frustrating thing M can rap I always say this I don't like even doing top five dead a lot

because I believe hip hop is so great and people have their own style. It's hard to be like, oh, he's the greatest. Like, if you're listening to somebody's album and you love it, then you love that artist. If you love it, then you love that artist. And it doesn't have to be better and who's better and who's the, it doesn't have to be that way. Eminem wraps a certain way. Like he puts out a certain type of music.

It's not like it's not like it really sounds that much like almost anything else that's popular. It's really his own lane of music. You see what I'm saying? And so because that's not my lane, don't get mad at me. I think M&M fans take it so personal that, well, he's the greatest. Okay, he's the greatest to you. And that's cool.

To me, he's not. You know what I'm saying? That's okay. Like, Joe, Joe, got the platform and Joe, you got Dr. Umar up there. Like, my thing was Joe knew how to set off Dr. Umar. He set him off. That's a good point. He knew how to set Dr. Umar.

Joe's brilliant. He knows how to do that. And believe me, Dr. Umar got, because because the dude, next to Doctor, he got him good. I was like, oh, man. Well, keep in mind with Joe, he's the same guy who basically fucked up his relationship

with Eminem and Slaughterhouse by being brutally honest about Eminem. It did a whole disc record. You know what I'm saying? I used to be like, come on, man. Like, listen, I swear to you, my thing wasn't about the music. It just wasn't.

Like, I had my own personal issues on what I thought of hip hop. And that's probably where I made the mistakes by involving the source, because the source is supposed to be for the masses. And I've let my personal, and I've said that on math, and that was a mistake. That was wrong.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, but being business-wise, it was wrong, okay? You know what I'm saying? You're not supposed to do that. That's not good business. And, but I don't listen to his music anyways. It's not just him. There's not a black artist that I don't listen to their music anyways. So, you know what I'm saying?

Like, it's all right. I know our situation is polarized because of the beef, because of us going back and forth. But that's what hip hop was anyways. Like, big deal. We went. I made a few songs. He made a few songs. So what?

I've never even met Eminem. I would love one day. I mean, before I go and before he go for us to sit down and just have a conversation about hip hop and have a conversation about me, that would be so epic to me because with us, it's bigger than hip hop. You have way more in common than you have. You have way more in common than you have that separates you. I believe that. Yeah.

I believe that. And again, again, a lot of times it be Eminem's fans that it don't even be him. It's his fans that make you just, most of the shit that I've said on the internet is probably because of his fans, not even him. Because he don't even speak on shit. He barely does. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? People ask me and then, you know, I talk about it because I guess it's a part of my, it's a part of my history. so I don't run away from it.

But I try, when I answer it, and every time I do an interview, I try to answer it in a way that people can understand that they could get a different take on it. Like, I'm not racist. I've been a part of, I've grew up in a city that there was racist people in there, and I grew up under racist conditions, but I'm not racist. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, racist people don't, even when they're kids,

like, this is true. like my kids you are with your kids like when you look at your kids friends and you can see your kind of parents' virtues unless you just live in a place where there's nothing like if your kids are playing with multi different kids

then you know what I'm saying then your parents are okay I grew up in a place where kids were taught not to be around other kids and not to go to school with them and just be you know what I'm not to be around so you know what I'm saying like I think that frustrates me more that Eminem's fans would think

that I'm racist because of our situation. And that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, never been and it never has been. I never said that Eminem wasn't a great rapper. I think Eminem's a great rapper, but I don't listen to that type of music. I feel like I hear a lot of people in this discourse saying that they think that Eminem is like the greatest rapper of all time where I don't really believe that Eminem has had that big of a role in their music listening throughout their life.

And I say that as myself, as well Eminem comes out in like 1999 I feel like I was kind of done checking for his albums by like 2006 and I'm I'm saying that that's a good run he had a very significant career good but let's be real and I'm not ignoring the fact that he's been unbelievably successful and he sells one of any white artists for sure for sure yeah rapper but to me is he one of the most skilled lyricist of all time, for sure. Is he the greatest rapper of all time when I've got to put him up against

Jay and Nas and, you know, Drake and 50 and all these guys? Is he the greatest to you or the greatest to everybody? You can't pick a greatest to everybody. Nobody can. That's why I said it's like what separates us from being robots in this 8 billion

people is your ability to like what you like and be able to and for people to respect that. We have to respect what each other likes personally first. I think with social media, everybody wants to be a part of the crew that likes the best so that they can look like they're part of the best crew. You got to get out of that. Be an individual first. Like who you like. Like who you like. It's okay. You know what I'm saying? When I look back at that era and why I might have had negative feelings towards you, when I look

back it's like it's such a clear-cut example of me blaming the messenger because let's be real those tapes it was like the the most obvious act of journalism ever to put that shit out there because it was we had to do it i grew up around all kinds of people that were making racist jokes and doing stuff that was objectively racist that shit is some other shit i ain't never seen anything like that in my whole life from from white boys that are associated with hip hop or whatever like that shit needed to have attention called to it and the fact that I resented you for bringing it to the table seems kind of ridiculous to me as an adult well but imagine imagine imagine him him getting away with it right now Matt that's that's what's saying imagine that so you

know his influence and his power and his look at the same thing with Al Kelly all Kelly had already peaking the girl people seen the taste and people still with Al Kelly So when you're people's talent transcends kind of like what they what they do and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're dope at what you do, my fuck you give you. You know what I'm saying? Now you can't be running around with kids and everything. I'm saying.

But they, you know, people were still listening to All Kelly Heavy after repeat. It wasn't until this shit happened. Even still now, not before. But even when Al Kelly had did that, people were still playing the shit out of his shit. Yeah. So it's the same thing. Like, you know, then you would understand this. white people wasn't going to stop playing them because of that.

I shot him that bail so instantly back then. They wasn't going to be like, oh shit, he's fucking making some racist. We're going to stop playing them. White people was going to keep playing with him. And black people didn't stop playing them either. Like, none of that. I don't know if the internet was out could have made a difference. But we didn't go out looking for that tape.

People would understand. Those guys, they were all white. It was three white guys in my office. It was a Dave's office. And I was like, look, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it to be like, damn, y'all are really selling your man out, huh? I could not fucking believe it. He takes like a five-year break after that.

Yeah, he had to. How did you feel about that? Did you feel kind of triumphant? I felt like, yeah, of course, of course. Listen, there really wasn't, no, the only, listen, hip-hop is about these moments. And hip-hop is like my, like, I've always been, I have, my little revolutionary and me my little you know because you grow up like that in Boston

kind of and you know hip hop takes on that like you know what I'm saying like I was proud of that you know it's funny because what's his name I met he was in my he was the other guy that was in Joe Button's group what's homey name Joe Al Ortiz

Crooked Eye? Cooket Eye so I met Crooked Eye at the office and we was about we just got the tapes and we about to go up and do the press conference it's like hundreds of real press up there. Crooked eyes like, fucking, I'm coming up. He was with the, he knew about everything

was with the whole movement. That's why when I see crooked eye, whatever and then, I'd be like, and he's on YouTube saying he was there, whatever, but he's not telling the truth about, like he was, you know what I'm saying? It's not like I want a crooked eye to come up here and make a statement,

but crooked eye was sitting right there when I made my statement. You wouldn't even been in the building, you know what I'm saying? If it was like that. So let's get enough with, with crook me and crook cool me crook did music before way before that you know what i'm saying it's just that people think that because they f***ing with m&m then they all automatically have to be my

enemy and that's that's not true first of all that shit is so back in the day first of all right and you publicly said that you don't want anything i don't have like that's over with man like we got to move on from things man like that shit is i don't want like i'm i got a lot of dope shit that that i'm doing i want to keep fucking talking about that unless it got something to do with us sitting right really sitting down talking about that and and and you know like I would love to do that with him to just meet him in a room and just sit and just really talk I think that would I would that would do great for me and would do great for him I think we would come out of there like you said like damn man we really cool as I think it would be great for him to just sort of do more normal guy stuff in general because it

feels like I'm sure it's good for his happiness he clearly likes to just sort of seclude himself from everybody else That's not what hip hop is. Adam. See, hip hop is about being out here. You see, again, you, you are, we out here.

You know what I'm saying? Hip hop is about being out there with the people, bro. Like, in, man, them hood's in Detroit. They need Eminem and them to come through there.

You know what I'm saying? I don't know if he don't want to do it because, hey, fuck that I'm white. Or I don't know if he's like, I'm Larry, because something might happen. Like, I don't know which one.

But he don't know to me, if he showed up at Nipsey's funeral, do you know how big that would have been in the black people's eyes for him? Yeah, that's a fact. If he would just show up at Nipsey's. I'm saying, I didn't. You know what I'm saying? You know, my money wasn't even right to go out there to get a hotel or nothing.

Like, I'm keeping one hundred at that time. But if Eminem popped up or something like that, you know what I'm saying? You know, like any, something in Detroit, I'm sure, you know what I'm saying? The last couple years of Detroit slash Flint music has been ridiculous. There's so many artists blown up out of Detroit. And it's not like he's never co-signed anybody out of Detroit.

But I feel like when you have a conversation with an icewear Vezzo or a baby face ray or whatever, they respect Eminem. But it's almost like they respect him in his absence because he's just not there. He's not a presence in the city the way that a lot of these guys would probably like, and again, like he could do whatever the fuck he wants to do with his life. But if I was his manager, I would say, get out there with the people a little bit more. It's not like you have to do that much. but you know hit a party here and there you know

do a concert or whatever man I go from yeah I fuck with you man and not just because you said that but and not going against Eminem I think that would be great for him right like every time I see him kind of do it then he doesn't do it like it like it'd be little instances where it'd be like okay

and then it's like you know because even like with Royce you know like that's like his top I mean man we all need a Royce you know what I'm saying we all need a Royce we all need to come with a Royce you know pay X drink up with Royce.

But like, even with Royce, like, Royce could pop him out more if he would do that around. Because as much as Royce stick up for him, it would be cool to see him hang out with Royce at a club or something. Right. Just believe it or not, like, I'm looking at stuff like this. I don't, that shit to me, I swear that shit to me does not make me angry no more. I'm to the age where I just want to, you know, do new opportunity.

I got some great things going on in my life right now. And I just want, I mean, that shit is history. The history will be more dope if we could. coming together and talk about it. Man, we could probably do a six-part series and just, and people be like, oh, look, he wants to, but I'm saying, but everybody's telling their stories. That's a major part of history right there.

Yeah. Of hip-hop history. I get kids, I say right now, like, from all over the world, still cursing me out. He fucking killed you. It would be a tragedy though if Eminem makes it to the end of his life lives to be, you know, 70, 80 years old and doesn't become more forthcoming

about his story, because I feel like so many people would appreciate hearing it this late in the game, right? But he has to mention everything. Yeah. You can't leave things that you just want to leave out. You got to things that you was a part of, even, you know, the thing that you might think, because my story, like, when I tell my story is going to be crazy. I'm going to tell the good, bad, end, ugly.

Because at the end of the day, you're just telling your story and just telling, like, you just telling the truth of what you went through. You know what I'm saying? The internet is the narrative. It's not the truth. It's the narrative. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, your story is what you represent.

And, you know, the source is just a small part of it. Just my father, that whole thing in Boston with the mob and everything. And the source and after the source, all that TV and loving hip-hop shit, the behind the scenes that that was crazy. And now my situation with Coyler-Rae and everything in between, you know, the Paul Piers situation, the rough rider situation, the, you know, the indictment, the M&M. I mean, it goes on and on.

It's just crazy. Okay, so speaking to Coy, I actually think it's pretty fucking hilarious that I interviewed her back in the day. You was the first one to really blow her up, bro. Before I knew that you were her dad, I interviewed her. And it was like, she had a spark as a rapper at the time, but it was mostly like, oh, this is Trippie Red's girlfriend. He was the first one.

At Rolling Loud 2019, I think. He was the first one, bro. Yeah. When I seen him on your show, I was just like, I'm looking at it and she's smoking. Remember, this is like, how many years? How many years? Four or five years ago, yeah. This was when she first started.

Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? And she's like 21 maybe, so I'm just, she's smoking. So again, me, the father. I'm like, look at her. And then her eyes are getting chinky. I'm like, look her. She looked kind of like me and shit.

I was like, look at Corey. But it was dope. The vibe was dope between y'all. And I just was like, oh, shit. Because I knew you was doing your thing. Like, I've seen you. And I was like, damn, how did Corey get on Adam's 20? You know what I'm saying?

Like, that was kind of like, it was odd, but it looked at it. But I was proud of her. Like, okay, she's making moves. Like it was like a, you know what I'm saying? that's how I looked at it. And then it was crazy, like, a couple years later to see, like, oh, it's actually happening. Like, she's actually blowing up now because I had always thought

she had a shitload of personality and charisma and star power. But then all of a sudden, that combined with the music, started really cracking her shit off. And I was very impressed. Man, you know, I wish, like, every time, like, it still doesn't even dawn on me. It's still, honestly, everything. And even with us, the shit that, with us going back and forth on the internet,

which is unfortunate and I regret but I understand this is what happens on the internet now and she's a young she's a young you know what I'm saying into you know generation and this is what they do and I'm from the old school so it's like you know what I'm saying it's really like whoa you know and um it's been a challenge you know what I'm saying to be honest but but to wake up every day I still don't believe it I hear her song everywhere I'll be in the Uber to song play the gym song play the fucking target the song play like and it's just like i can't because everything prior to what i've been through before coy is a lot of shit and then now for this to be happening now like i'll be 60 in a couple of years like and i'm like this shit crazy as the

success rate for a young rapper is infinitesimally small it's like extremely It's like the NFL not for long. Exactly, yes. It's very like the idea of you having the tenure that you've had in hip hop and then your daughter becoming successful rapper is like such a long shot. It almost never happens. I just like again, because again like okay when you look at, you know, okay I'm a street guy. I met Dave on a Hummel and the next thing, you know, all the source and everything that came with it, 18 years.

Then okay, that's over with it. And then like love and hip hop, like that was like a phenomenon. you know what I'm saying how the fuck did that happen I didn't cash for it I just again I'm you know what I'm saying now you know

and all the shit that happened with that and then now like Coy like you know what I'm saying and she it's not like she because my son wraps you know Ray Ray rapts Chavo and he had to deal with baby pun

when he was nine so it's like they got two separate mothers but you know what I'm saying but I never seen Corey doing this it wasn't in my mind growing up I'm like you know you want your daughter go to college

you know I got son and then there's two, she had two older brothers that I took care of. So it's like I'm always, you know, she's the only girl. So her, I'm holding her a highest standard than the boys. And I want her to really walk the straight line. And she's going to be, you know what I'm saying? And I, you know, once I started seeing her getting, it's funny because I always say this, but she started listening to Chief Keefe.

You know, that's the first hip hop I saw to her getting into when she was like maybe 16. So for you as a dad, And again, I have a three-year-old daughter, so whatever you've been through in your life, I'm going to go. You're a long way to go. She's going to be a hero. Then you're going to get 15. And things are going to change a little bit. Once you stay in her life all end, all right, I'm going to let you talk.

But if you're still with the mother and things are going great, a lot of if stills have to happen. Right. Because if you're not, then if you're not going to be there, nine times I tell you're going to go through the hell of the single parent with the mother having them. Because that's hell. that's a different type of hell but even if you stick around is it quite likely that you're going to run into issues with them in general just because

they're so rebellious and independent if you're at the house it's going to be just like it's going to be like what they want to be they want it to be all kids want especially girls I think especially girls they want their mother and father be together forever in the house forever grow old for they want to

see I think they now that I've went through this with Corey I think they they want that they that they have a vision of that and um it don't happen so often in the hood you know what i'm saying so if you're in your daughter's life continue with the mother and y'all are working it out and y'all are married and and there's not like six other kids you know what i'm saying you know i mean that's another thing when you have so many kids it's so hard trying to balance love because they do get jealous of each other in time and especially steps oh steps is a

mother you're with your new girl and then the the kid comes you know what I'm saying the baby mother there I don't know it's a it's a lot people don't understand what we go through right but you do the best you can man and what a definition of a father is well if you stay with her is going to be different from a definition of a father who is not living with her and has to send money or have this you come stay with me on the on the weekends or on the holidays it is a different it's it's a difference so okay my question is what's the hard part for you as a dad?

Is it seeing them date guys and not necessarily having any saying in it? That's very hard. Is it the fact that cultural norms around nudity and being half naked in music videos have changed? What's the hard part for you as a dad?

That this is even happening? Like, yeah. Like, how the fuck this happening? And me being, again, I'm, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, I got only, like, you know what I'm saying? So I want it's like a hypocrite, But I feel like I'm grown and I've been around, but it's just like, what can I say?

It's just something that's hard for me to emotionally deal with. I'd be having to talk to people. I'd be needing therapy to talk about that because I don't know how to deal with that shit other than to probably ignore it. I mean, I don't know how to deal with, like, that, with my daughter, that's all. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know if that's, I don't, it's not like to the extreme, but I just, you know, how can I put it? Like, I just, I don't know, it's hard to even put it. I just, I don't, but for me to say, I'm just, you know, I don't, you know, I can't follow her Instagram

because then, you know, she could be in a bikini, you know, twerking or something. So I, but I love her to death, you know what I'm saying? So I want to be able to, you know what I'm saying, visualize her the way I want to visualize her as my daughter, not necessarily as an artist or as coy or, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? I don't want to visualize my daughter like that.

My mother has followed and unfollowed me on Instagram quite a few times over the years. I noticed those for similar reasons for sure, yeah. I mean, come on, man. So, you know, and as far as boys, I didn't want to meet Trippie Red. My father went met him. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, I couldn't do it. I said, Schnapp, you go.

What was it that you were expecting? that you thought wouldn't be good. I don't want me nobody unless you're going to marry. I don't want to let you know. I don't want to hear none of that slick talk. Yo, Benzino, none of that shit. I don't even want to know you. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I'll deal with my daughter. And then if it organically happens, it will organically happen. I'm not saying it won't. But I just know people's intentions. And if your intentions aren't, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Because I know who I am.

So I, like, if you know, you know, you're just trying to fuck or you try to take advantage of my daughter, then it's better that you don't know me. You know what I'm saying? you know what I mean it's better you she has to come with me for that you know what I'm saying she can coy can handle herself she's small but you know she has a big heart and it's like with me I don't want to f*** up for her like she told me Drake texted him you know what I'm saying when the shit first happened and I was like I got mad and then she she told her mother and I was

like no if I said listen you tell him I'm your father I said you let him know I'm you because he he wanted to fly to him I think to Vegas to the show or some shit I was like hell no i said yo you let him know and she was like now you know like she got mad and then i was like look i just want you then so then you know the mother had spoke to me and shit and was like you know you know she's and she's not coy coy's not like fast and nothing like that so it's not like i don't have trust in her but again still so then she did say that hey did you know benzino's my father because they're label mates universal republic okay and then he sent back like he said Benzino

look he's a hip-hop nerd and then he sent back the picture of when of when I had the afro in the Boston Celtics jersey with the jewels on he sent it to her

then he said your dad's a legend wow that's tight that made me feel good man shout to Drake it made me feel good that was because that's just respect and me and her laughed about it

but she did go back and tell him and it's just because you man you heard about the girl that they found buried in Vegas and there's all kind of shit that can happen man like you know what I'm saying like mama like you you a buck something or you know

a hundred pounds like come on like you know what I'm saying you got a father who who with the shits and I'm not I'm also intelligent I'm not also not gonna make you look bad I'm just gonna make sure that you are protected that's it I didn't want to meet Trippie right you know it's because I knew that wasn't good news for her yeah like I mean you know you listen I don't know that kid or whatever but you know just from the just from the music and just being just being in the game right a big a big star like i know what the fuck that is because you know you're gonna meet him and he's in the first year or two of his success he's feeling himself he's stoned his fuck he's loving his life he probably got a million different girls are trying to holler at him wrong one for that

i swear i can't even hold my face man for real i'm not for that because really because i know how to act you know what i'm saying like i know how to act i i would never if i'm with somebody's and i'm somebody's father I would be I'm a back I don't know if you knew about the beaver cleaver I'd be like Eddie Haskell Eddie Haskell back and he was the good one he was bad as f*** when he'd come over Beaver's house and be like hello Mrs. Cleaver like I'm like that type of shit like I give respect to parents if I'm with a girl I'm damn they're petrified of the parents um shit sometimes I was older than the parents my girl now I'm older than her mother father that shit is crazy wow yeah

But honestly, so, you know, my father went met him. So my father came back, Schnaz. I said, Schnaz, what's up with him? He's like, yeah, you know, you know, my father, he smokes a lot, man. Ooh, he smokes a lot. He's my father. He smokes a lot, man, you know, oh, I said, Raymond, I had to walk outside because, oh, man, he calls me Raymond.

He says, you know, he's cool. He's just, you know, I know, hey, Ray, he's, hey, Ray, listen, man, so I'm a father taught. So I know he really didn't even really get nothing from that, you know what I'm saying? But I, you know, I'm saying, until you, I want to meet somebody that, that I know, because I know, I know character. I want, I know if you got good character, even if you're a street guy, if you're a college guy, if you work at FedEx, I don't get what you do. I just know by talking to you, your character, your facial expressions, your movements, you know what I'm saying? And believe me, like, you know what I'm saying?

If I don't approve of it, if I see you on some type of video or some type of shit before that and I don't, it's best I don't meet you unless, you know, then shit. tell me if something's wrong, but I don't want to meet you. The best thing about, from your perspective, the best thing about her achieving the sort of success that she's had musically is that, you know, the allure of a rapper is not going to be as strong for her. As soon as she has her own money and has her own career trajectory, now a rich, powerful guy is not going to be able to have the same effect on her

that it might have if she remained a normal chick, right? Listen, man, she was at that party, that all white michael reuben party and i was oh man who you know what i'm saying that shit was like you know what i was like you know i was a little upset about that what about it just that she was there like again you know what i'm saying like i know people's intentions man i know this industry you can't fucking put on past me nobody i've been on in the high i've been on in every level every level at high levels and um i know their intentions and um i know their intentions you know what I'm saying

I know their intentions that's why they never liked me you know because my eyes I come with exposure just I could just see it you know what I'm saying like you know I mean and you know

I'm saying I just you know as a father parties like that with you know with people of that influence and that type of stature you just you know what I'm saying you ever been to a diddy party

no I went to one but not at his crib it was he had at this it was at Nause was there it was at somewhere in Manhattan but I never been to no crib party or nothing like that like Diddy really

Me and Diddy got a song together Diddy did a song Me and Diddy really never Never really kicked in the shit Like it was always me and Stevie Or me and Mario Like me and Stevie got cool Because you know what I'm saying

Did he? Did he? You know what I'm saying? He's his own type of lane Like me and Stevie kind of related more We was kind of wild Outside and Stevie wanted to be outside I was outside, nigga. Like, I don't think Diddy even wanted me hanging around, Stevie, when we first met, to be honest.

I think, like, you know what I'm saying? I think Diddy might have been like, yo, be careful around him, or, you know what I'm saying? Okay. You know, but, you know, Sleez was wild boys, so I was a wild boy, and we just was wild boys together. This was way before loving hip-hop, you know what I'm saying? So, but as far as Diddy, like, yeah, he, you know what I'm saying?

Me, I always, like, you know, like, when it comes to, you know what I'm saying? Because I always felt like I had my guys. It was me and my guys. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's necessary, you know, because Diddy's the guy. Did he's got his guys. He's just making the guy's wife.

Man, that's... Allegedly. You know, listen, but let me tell you something, right? I mean... The guys are prostitutes. But you can relate to that, though. But you can relate to that. A little bit, yeah.

No, but he allegedly was forcing it upon her. That, I don't think. I don't see that the part. I don't see that. You don't for, like, that's going on for a long time. Like, everything you sign up for, you sign up. Whatever you sign up for, you know what you sign up for. Whenever you receive payment for, you're receiving payment for.

Now, you could try to twist it later on any way you want to twist it. But, you know, money was given, a lot of money was given way before that. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not, again, I don't want to, I'm not condoning any of that. I'm just saying, you know, if that's what they feel, Fetish is, that's a fetish. That's nothing, nobody's business, and then nobody should be able to have judgment of that if that's what he gets off to.

Right. It's kind of hard to imagine it was not consensual at all throughout the entirety of the relationship, right? I'm saying, I'm sure it didn't happen just one time. You end up marrying this freaky-ass dude or dating this freaking dude for this long? Ten years? Yeah. Ten years.

We're talking, we're talking a fucking decade. Right. Do you know how long 10 years is in one relationship? That's like forever. You know what I'm saying? That's the equivalent of forever. So come on, man. Like, shit, there was a lot of freaky shit going on.

You know what I'm saying? So is there a lot of stuff with Koi where you just kind of have to sit back and be like, I'm going to let you make your own mistakes? If you see you're doing something that you don't necessarily agree with, you kind of just got to fall back. That's what I have to do now. That's what I'm doing. I just, you know what I'm saying?

It's the best, you know, because all this back and forth. forth on the internet and all this it's just too much man i don't you know i mean i don't want to go through it i know hopefully she doesn't want to you know but um at the end of the day what you know what coy just has to realize is i love her death but uh you know coy has her career i have my career i also have my reputation i've you know what i'm saying and it's just you know i have i nowadays in this industry your reputation can hurt you you know i'm saying you know i'm saying you I'm in the up, you know, I'm going up, I'm moving forward. I'm not going backwards.

So I don't want any smoke surely with my daughter or people perceiving things that may not be true. You know what I'm saying? So you guys are good right now? I mean, you know what? I think we're good as long as we stay off the internet. With that foolishness. I think it's always, like she's my daughter,

and hopefully she feels the same way. We'll always be good. But, you know, let's see, how I can I say it? I got to be real careful with your words on this subject, you know what I'm saying? Adam. I've learned a lot communicating on the Internet, and I've learned a lot as far as expectations of what I perceive something to be. Like I have to like realize, you know what I'm saying,

what's in front of me and deal with that. And, you know what I'm saying? Just deal with that the best way I can to post it. to try to live up to an expectation. It's part of life. You're going to kind of let go with the things that you don't control. And having a kid is the ultimate example of that

because they're just going to be an adult one day and they're going to go off. I mean, listen, listen, I was her hero up until she, I think all girls at 16 years old, they want to, they go boy crazy, they want to smoke, they end up. And now what father's just going to be like, hey, go ahead, go, go, boy, boys, yeah,

like, you want weed, I got a pound's in the back. Like, what father's going to do that? Like, you know, you have to hold them back. Even though you know so much of this is inevitable. Hey, listen, Corey never stripped. Think of that. All that stuff she's doing, you know what I'm saying? My baby never stripped.

And shout to all the strippers and all the dancers out there. I am not disrespect. And I'm just saying. But you've seen so much of it that you don't want that for her. No, but just not. I'm saying like she had a father in her life to think twice about what's my dad and my mom going to. usually ones that don't do it is deterred from thinking, what's my dad and my mom going to think?

But now the weird thing is that normal girls on Instagram are almost, is almost impossible to separate them from the porn stars when I'm scrolling through, because just the normal way of dressing or the normal photos that you take are basically things that you couldn't have imagined anyone doing besides porn stars up until like five, 10 years ago.

There's no difference. I mean, they're naked. Yeah. They're naked. You know what I'm saying? I'm surprised the FCC is allowing it. So for real, that's what always kind of like waded me out. Like the FCC really is allowing all this shit to take place.

And I was that because someone's saying, hey, it can't be because they don't know what's going on, right? Because they've never done this. This has never happened like this before. Even such songs that get played on radio in the daytime, you know, the stuff that's being said, you know what I'm saying? Like they was never letting allowing that shit back day like that. the daytime but all the sexual shit is allowed but meanwhile if you say anything like they've at this point the radio has figured out every single word that means a gun and all that shit is edited out whereas it used to be able to say like I got a strap and they they had it figured out without

a strap man yeah right right but now everything right in terms of violence shit is usually edited out on the radio but all the sexual shit's kind of fine yeah that yeah so that's what saying like we're in a hypersexualized society and you know I only got got one daughter, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, I got sons and one daughter. And I'm being like, thank God I don't have another door. Because daughters are hard. You know what I'm saying? Daughters are hard. For a street guy, for a guy from the street that's not with the mother,

it's a hard situation with doors. And it does play a difference being a street guy. I swear to God. There are factors in being the street guy that make it harder with the daughter. I swear to God. Because you're living a type of life that you just don't even want to be around your daughter. You know what I'm saying? How many times you don't think of that about? How many times you put hands on a guy that she was dating? I've never even seen Coy dating. Oh, okay.

She's never brought a guy around me. Okay. Coy was like a tomboy for a minute. You know what I'm saying? Coy wasn't into boys for a minute. You know what I'm saying? Again, like, my influence on Coy was good because that's how it was supposed to be. You can't, like, when you don't have no father in your life, he goes all the way left, you know, sometimes.

Unless your mother really has her hands on you. It's the early years that you got to get the kids. Because those are the years that's going to shape them forever. It's those learning years that's going to shape them. It's those experiences that's going to shape them. So you want to keep them as kids and as learning and learning within that realm of learning. Don't speed up. Don't give them content of the 20-something year old.

You're going to, you know what I mean? That's what's going on now. I mean, you know, so look, listen, if I had a handbook on being a father, I would give it out for free. But I don't, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm learning this shit going along too. And each time I've been in court, child support.

I'm on child support now. So what the fuck? For other kids? No, I don't go like for Zeno. You know what child's? Right. Damn, yeah. It's crazy.

It's like the best thing and the hardest thing that will ever have to do, huh? It is, I've went through so many gun battles and wars and trials. So much shit, there's nothing worse than dealing with the child stuff. Can't see him in court, this, that, but that shit, that's the stress shit. That's the stress shit. The street shit, I got that. But that, that's the most stressful shit ever.

Because at the end, it would me anyways, my conscience is like, I know my kids love me. You know what I'm saying? But when, you know, you're away and the mother has, you know, the mother has a lot of influence on the child. That's why it's important for you to, you know, keep a bond with your child, even if you don't live with them. You know, like I said, I had caught four, four, five months. She lived with me a couple times. Four or five months out of the year. She was with me, living with me. All my kids were, because she has a little brother, Taj and there's Ray Ray, and he was with me. So, you know, but I'm, you know, I'm happy for her, man. It's, you know what

mean? Like, she's like, she's, the thing about her, she's just not like music. She's everything. Like, She's modeling. You know what I'm saying? She's cooking. She has a great personality. I just hope she gets more into acting. I told her, I said, man, you need to start really getting into acting. You know what I'm saying?

Really start, you know. You know, it was kind of crazy seeing her career blossom, too, because I basically interviewed her when she really wasn't popping musically yet. I told you that. But then as she started to blow up, I also was seeing on Twitter, like as she's getting big, there's also like a big tide of people who want to, to turn her into a meme and want to convince everybody that she has no talent and she fucking sucks and that was kind of wild for me to realize like this is all the same thing like

like as you blow up you also are going to have to deal with the f***ombs of people that want to see you fail well it's a thin line yeah believe it or not a lot of people are just psychologically fooling themselves a lot of them a big percentage of those percentage of those people who say they hate you really really admire you they just don't know how to say it Some of them are your biggest fans. They don't like the new song, but they love you. And they want you to make the music that they want. It took me a while to understand that.

Because, you know, I just, man, every time I get an Instagram, but then they knock it down, man. I take shit personal and I say something back, then I get reported, and that's it. I like not really having an Instagram now. You know, I got one again. Okay. But then it took it down like seven fucking times already. Wow.

I almost had two million followers. Seven times. Jesus. But the good thing is that, that's how I look at it. People know you. If people follow you, I'm saying people know you. So it's not like they're still out there. You don't have to see them following you.

You just know that they're out there. And when you do something great and you come out there, they're going to see you again. That's all. That's all that has to happen. That's how I look at it now. I don't become a slave to them. Like not having Instagram and shit helps me too. It gets me away from social media.

And I'd be needing my break. And it helps me. me man for real because man that's you can drive you crazy if you let it you know people people say and do horrible shit on that moth and you ain't used to that shit it can affect you yeah I saw my girl delete her Instagram and her Twitter and everything off her phone for a couple weeks and she definitely seemed like it had a massively positive impact on her mental health helps yeah and not know look it remember all these people knowing what you're doing everything like their energy is get attached to you

So it's like it's good that you detach it Because some of the motherfuckers are obsessed with you That you don't even know It sets in a good way And obsessing a bad way just to say Hey look my fuck Could do some crazy shit Because it's seeing you every day

Seeing you every day Like I'm like nah So I like it like right now They don't know where I'm at You know what I'm saying They don't know You know something's looking for me They don't even know

Because they think you're dead If you're not on social media And I like that sometimes Right Because they don't have something Like this interview When this interview pop It's like, oh shit, there you go again.

But a lot of social media shit, it tricks you into feeling like you're working. Yes. When you are not doing anything productive, you're not making money. You're just kind of like reminding the world that you exist. And there's room for it for sure because this is kind of like the primary way that we can communicate with each other. But I know a lot of people who feel like updating their Instagram story 40 times in a day is work. And if you just do that every day, I promise you ain't going to have shit to show for it at the

end of the day. bro listen people are on this on his scrolling at least 12 hours a day and it's they're not doing nothing but just looking that's it and being entertained and not i mean nothing else you know could eight to 12 hours a day people are like this at the house like this eating like this in the tub like this fucking like this everything like this like this you know what i'm saying And so I don't know where that's going to take us. You know what I'm saying? I know half of it has something to do with sex.

Half of it. An attraction. So that's why I kind of like women are winning. Just the fact that there's so many bad bids are winning because, you know, they're taking advantage of that. Right. You know what I'm saying? They can get a million fathers just showing their ass. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Their ass is more famous. They could be walking through the airport and my fucking are recognizing. but shit they see that ass oh shit this it's crazy i know girls who are famous for their instagram or whatever and their ass looks great in the photos in real life it looks like an abomination well but because it looks really good in the photos they're famous no well i think everybody's gone to the fact of we we live in a filtered society yeah we live in a filtered society how we are now isn't really how we are sitting there it's when we get into the we have we have we

have to have a filter, that's who we are. People, I'm telling you, that's who we're at now. People are seeing themselves, they want to see themselves better. Filter makes you look better. So they want to see themselves better constantly, constantly. They don't want to be old. They don't want to grow old. They want to, you know what I'm saying? They need validation constantly, constantly. Vanity, vain. It's just, you know what I'm saying? It's addiction. It's an addiction. So, you know, you got to, you got to be, listen, if you can, if you can get paid from it, I'm all for it. You ain't robbing nobody.

You ain't pillaging nothing. You ain't bothering nobody. Get your money. But if you ain't get no money from it, then you're wasting your time. Right. If you can't monetize a big old booty, then you ain't doing it right?

Only fans is popping. Like, I've had my only fans and like, I'm doing pretty well on it. So you're fucking girls on there? What are you doing? No, I'm not fucking. I'm just like, because I work out, so I just been like just showing the shlong, that's it. I've been thinking about starting one thing.

You're thinking about starting one, too. I mean, listen, I've honestly, Adam, I've got a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? And I don't post a lot, you know what I'm saying? But, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like if you work out and you, you know, happy with just not about that. It's about your whole body. Then, you know what I'm saying?

But, yeah, I haven't had sex with no girl on it. You know what I'm saying. You might get there sooner or later? I mean, who knows? Looking for the right one? You know what I'm with somebody. It would have to, you know, she would have to be with it, you know what I'm saying. Okay.

You know. What, um, what actually happened from your perspective that kind of, uh, ruined things with your relationship with Vlad? And I, I noticed that Vlad basically said that you weren't allowed on the platform anymore, but then you've continued to do interviews with other people on the platform. Vlad, Vlad, like, first of all, I, like, I've done shit for Vlad for no money, all, right, at the very beginning when he started. When he, uh, how was, he interviewed me on the phone.

Like, I mean, I've done Vlad from the very beginning. beginning the very beginning when nobody was doing Vlad you can see on YouTube I got like seven eight Vlad and things way back 12 years ago um flag just got too arrogant man like I go on front Adam you humble yo and you're sitting here with me Vlad got to be the voice like he's the wizard of ours or something he was coming through the computer he thinks he's the wizard of ours like what the fuck like you know I'm saying like bro you sit down you have face-to-face with people so you can get like that. It's not like Vlad's a bad person, right? I don't like what he said about the minister.

I think he should apologize. I don't like, I don't, people say he's a snitch. I don't necessarily think Vlad's given information to the feds, but unless there's information that says that, then you have to, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, but he does, Vlad gets street guys to say, a lot because a lot of times street guys don't even be wanting to say all that but they you know they just sold 100 I be seeing some of his interviews and they just say a lot because you know what I'm saying and it's not you can't blame Vlad because I'm saying a lot but you know Vlad got to understand that he has to be able to filter out shit so that they don't like if you

gave a fuck about niggas then automatically filter that shit out you know what I'm saying before somebody gets in trouble you know what I'm saying that's why I think flag could do Like, because guys are gonna just, that's how we, people get excited and they say shit. And, um, Vlad used it like, oh, I got a lot of information. Now I'm going, you know what I'm saying, use this. You know, um, I was cool. I just think he gets too arrogant. I think he gets too, too beside himself.

Like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like when you get, when you get too beside yourself, the culture don't f*** with you. When you're just cool and just being you, then that's when people, you know what I mean? Like Dave Maze is Jewish. Was my brother for 18 years. We did amazing things. like all kind of like forever like so it has none to do with race it's just just be just now he's

coming out and he's doing interviews and everything and it's like Dave no flag I'm saying but nobody nobody gives a you know what I'm saying like Vlad nobody cares like you know saying like all this time we just heard the voice nobody cares now you think you would have been better off kind of remaining just looks like one of the guys from the Amish the Amish people you know what I'm saying what the fuck did this arm's What a fucking horse did he just get off? Okay, why did he say that you weren't really allowed on the platform anymore?

And how did you get past that? Vlad, I did an interview. It took me like three days. Where's my fucking money that? They gave me some lady's number. Hey, you know, what's something? Hey, Benzian, hey, okay, where's my, like, where's my money? You know what I'm saying?

He's my fucking money. Why are I going to wait for $4,000? Like, set my fucking money, you know what I'm saying? And he's like, oh, he threatened her. You should have dealt with me as a man and not give me her number to talk to her. You put her. in that.

Flads are Flats sued Rick Ross. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, flat talk shit, they got up with him, beat him up, and he sued Rick Ross. You know what I'm saying? He got a bunch of money. Then he bragged about getting a house in Calabasas. He brags about that.

He's like the guy that never got before. You know what I'm saying? He comes across as that. I never heard him talk about getting pussy. Like, he's like... I'm pretty sure he's been with the same woman for a while. He's like the Amish guy with the horse. Fucking apples in the

back in somewhere you know what I'm saying getting no but you have a good relationship with who is a Sean Pres that you do the interviews my guy and now Cavario is working for him okay my and Moffy Moffy works from those are my guys those are these my guys for years flat like first of all Vlad used to come to the source right like be amazed at me and Dave May he's like you know I'm saying fad was my son like you know what I'm saying he come up there and be amazed just to sit there in our offices did you ever talk to Dave about you doing a podcast on breakbeat his his

because that would that would be like the ultimate coming full circle money Dave Dave don't with me right now oh so me and Dave ain't with each other me and Dave for like maybe seven years I even spoke to each other really yeah like you know it was just time no me and Dave see each other for like 18 years straight every day we went through hell together great shit man it was just time he got married you know what I'm saying Dave got some black dude that was it once you know what's Dave went black they're saying yeah man I never heard from him after that see what the fat ass can do boy

I haven't seen it but definitely could do something to you yeah but you know what I'm saying like it ain't nothing like Vlad Vlad you you you you can't hate on Vlad for what he's done because Vlad's been doing it a long time I give people props in the areas

they deserve the props because I'm not a hater you know what I'm saying like he's been doing this shit a long time you know what I'm saying so he deserves anybody that deserves to put in the work deserves that shit but then he just started losing people

start losing their way, they start getting arrogant. And you know what I'm saying? Like I said, in his interviews, to me, the guys that do say too much, he needs to edit out. He needs to take that responsibility for the culture, if that's the case. You know, and he, you know what I'm saying? Shit, that's all. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you know, I'm saying? Like, because at the end of the day, you know, shit, man, I only made like a, you know, like, look, I ain't make a whole bunch of money with Vlad, but Vlad got a lot of followers where is that Vlad could have been, did something with me, like on a podcast or something. Like I never really wanted to do a podcast.

Eventually, I'm going to do a podcast. But, you know what I'm saying? Like, I felt like this is probably going to be the last podcast I do because, you know what I'm saying? You know, like, you know, like, I always look at your pockets. I'm like, I got to do it at him. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that. Yeah, for real.

Where did the issues with WAC come from? It really isn't no issues. I don't know. I mean, like. Clubhouse stuff. I know, it's just, again, see, Wack is on the internet. And Wack has a way of doing this thing on the internet. You know what I'm saying?

Like, Wax, like mastered that. I really don't know Wack. Me and Wack, me and Wack cool, then all the shit that he was talking about with the, with the, with the, with the,

girl shit, I don't, you know what I'm saying? I don't get involved with that because, like, my thing is, like, I don't get involved with, like, the fairy tale shit that's on,

you know what I'm saying, and personal shit. I don't get involved with all that. Like, you know what I'm saying, but I really don't know Wack till like, we've never met in person, but, you know,

me and Wack have talked on cool terms after me and Wack got into it on the internet but it's the internet so you know what I'm saying I got at this point I feel like I feel like you know all the shit that the negative the negativity that comes from the internet if you really give it attention it's really just a waste of time it really becomes a waste of time like you know I've already been through all the shootouts the gang shit the near deaths been shot a few times all my niggas dying all my niggas I've been through all that shit like that shit ain't like if I was to die tomorrow my name ring bells forever like mom 58 that's great the life I've lived I don't think nobody had to run like me is that the weird part about getting so late

into your life but still being involved with a culture that is kind of like consumed with youth is that you've kind of seen it all done it all at a certain point but meanwhile the vast majority of people you're communicating with don't really have that much life experience are still impressed by shit that doesn't impress you anymore is is is that the challenge man listen my but the thing is I'm already I'm in I'm in all these different cities and I've always been a people's person so I always with the hood I always with the niggas I've always with the everything it has to do with niggas and people I put myself out there and I think that's I think that first and foremost people always

respect that about me when they see me like I'm more famous than I've ever been in my whole life and I can't go nowhere. I think everything that I've done culminated to like I'm more famous. I can't go nowhere where somebody's not taking a picture and somebody's in. You know, it's my job now to get to get some monetary value on it now, right? All these different things I've done, right? And now try to, you know, cash in. But I mean, shit, Adam, it's a blessing, man. You know what I'm saying? Like the internet stuff I had to learn. Like I said, you, you know, whack, all you all got it down pack now. Like, y'all understand how

to monetize it and everything else, you know what I'm saying? That's where, you know, I'm trying to start to get inside. I know people love me. I know people with me. So it's just a matter of me learning, you know what I'm saying, the ends and else because the internet now is getting everybody, you know, the, it's getting people some,

it's the main force really for hip hop now as far as getting dollars, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's pretty wild when you think about the extent to which how the conversations within hip hop, the podcast and the YouTube, YouTubers and shit. Like, people talk about the numbers being way down on streaming.

But meanwhile, you got all these different YouTubers and podcasters who have, you know, hundreds of thousands of views on everything they put out and shit. Nice. It's big. That attention is taken away from the attention that's on the music. And I think that that almost kind of reveals to people that the thing that we were all after was captivating content and not necessarily over a beat. But we just wanted to hear about people's lives and shit.

Right, right. But we didn't have that option. No, that was big what you just said over. a beat yeah that's big before I was all over a beat if you wanted to know about some real street shit you got to listen to you know all these rappers talk about it in coded form that's about as simple as anybody could put it yeah just like you said like that's what it is now and you know um people's stories people's IPs and man shit my thing is um you know know i had to be in the right head space like i've done shit i've had highs in music magazines

tv you know what i'm i'm ficking with the movies heavy on the toby movie hopefully i get something big, but, man, like, God bless me to still be out here, you know what I'm saying? So I'm trying to let the rest of these lives real productive and really cash in, you know what I'm saying, for that second, you know, for that second, you know, for that bounce back, that, you know, that comeback, you know what I'm saying? I've always, like I said, no matter what, I've always stayed close to the street and close to always keeping my dream alive and keeping my vision alive on what I'm trying to do. And, you know, man, it's just, you know, it's just, you.

I thank God to even to even make it this long because, you know, a lot of my guys didn't make it. A lot of my guys didn't make it. And I'm talking hundreds, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, this is a blessing to even still be accepted by people. The people want to take a picture. Like, I'm humble truly. And I just smile. And I have, I still have a good, even at 58, I'm having a good time.

You know what I'm saying? It got to be fun. If it's not fun, then what's the use? I feel like if Benzino had a weekly podcast, that it was. be huge. It would be a constant topic of conversation. I mean, look, Shug Knight is locked up in his conversation. His podcast and making noise every single week. If you back, listen, if I come under the adams, I'm going to call him out right now. If I come up under your umbrella, shit, you know what I'm saying? I don't believe it. I think it could be huge. If you got the right

crew, the right people with you. I think that I think where I came in was that Dave knew how to utilize this kind of wild nigger from Boston and utilize his, his creativity and strengths. where I learned a lot from Dave and learned a lot organized business, but it's still hip hop. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I just, I know, and I know I have what it takes.

You know, I got the source to a $55 million, you know, company where we turned down Bob Johnson and I know I can get it, I know I have that in me. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? If I had a team, you know what I'm saying? As much as I'm a good chief, I'm a good Indian, you know what I mean?

Like I've always been a part of, things that everybody play their position and make great things like that's there's nothing better than that in life like if you're able to do things by yourself on your own then that's cool but that's never been my thing you know what I'm saying I've always liked to be a chain a part of something that did did like amazing things and everybody ate it's fun of that way it's more it's more enjoyable that way you know what I'm saying so you know shit like I would love to I would love to you know what I'm saying I've been around the game so much

have so many stories. But, you know, just my opinions on things. Like, I'm just, you know, I'm at that age where I can, you know, give you a little older opinion, but I can still understand, you know, where these guys is coming from to have some type of, you know what I'm saying, agreement with them, you know, because that's...

Because I noticed you took issue with Joe Bunton and hating on young boy. And I thought that was interesting. Because I would have thought that you might be someone who would have been... No, I mean, you got let, listen, do you know how hard... He's young...

You know how many young... How many his friends is dead are in jail? Oh, yeah. It's like you got to, like, even if you feel that way, you're too big to want to knock him down, not him down because he's what America is destroying. Like, he's like the worst. And it has to be shown that the worst can make it

so these guys can think of something else. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't want to knock young boy down because shit, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, first of all, he has a huge following already. To me, when you, you know, it's not like you want to knock him down. Like, I, you know, I don't think that I like some of young boys' music, some of his music. You know what I'm saying?

I probably listen to him. It was like, you know what I'm saying? I've heard a lot of joints that I like. And I'm sure Joe has too. I don't know if he did that for clicks, but there really wasn't no reason for him to do that. Like, we as older guys, the worst thing that we should be doing. is knocking down young dudes that is super successful. Yeah, and to me,

Young Boy is kind of indicative of somebody who's still keeping an interest and despite the fact that he's been doing it for a long-ass time and he's still, he just has that soul and that passion. I mean, I do wish that he would kind of switch it up. Well, I guess I got to give him credit. He's made a lot of weird emo punk sound of records

over the last year, too, which I'm kind of impressed by, even if I don't love it. He's made a lot of music, though. When you look at Young Boy, Young boy got hundreds of songs. He's more prolific than almost anybody else in this modern. Not everything's going to be a hit, but he's going to have some joints in all those music.

It's going to be like, oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he's a hard worker. He works in the studio. You got to respect that. I feel like he's kind of gotten into this way of just making the same song over and over and over, which is very boring to me. But also, you've got to consider that he's been trapped in that fucking house

on house arrest for years and years. And the other thing, the thing about, that shit stunts you. Yes, he lost a ton of his homies. but also he's not allowed to have felons visit him there. So he's really not even able to be around the people that he typically would be around. See, and that to me, and they know that.

They know doing that to him. They really try to deprogram him from what he was, from what, you know what I'm saying. But he's too strong for that. But he really is a, you know, like I've watched him. And, you know, some people, there's some people that got that individual, type of thing

that not too many other people are going to have and it's a pressure having that. He has that individual thing that really is infectious to a lot of people and how they look up to him and it comes through his music but also just of how he looks at life and how he's going through life, whether wrong or right.

You know what I'm saying? I just think for Joe, if Joe had a real good reason to say that, then say it. Like, you're a smart, Joe's a smart guy. He had no real. real reason like when you say you don't like someone a statement that big have a reason to back it up umma had a great reason he backed the shit out of what he set up you know to me it's it's it's subjective

you know so i could see both sides of the coin with umar what he said last night uh youtube recommended me a video of mc shan talking well really like shan's my nigger really like telling umar to sit the fuck down and he did not appreciate his opinion on m&m Shane's my nigga. Yo, he's great. Shout to MC. Shan, listen, y'all follow MC Shane.

Y'all gonna, boy, listen, man, I follow. Shan is an L. If y'all want to see a motherfucker that just don't, that is just him, somebody that, that, that was, it's just him. He don't care about what he was back then,

is who he is now, and accept me for who I am now. This is how I live now, and I'm not bothering nobody, but let me show you how to, he, Shan is a good dude, man. Like, I, I, I, called MC Sham.

Listen, man, you know, when you look at a lot of these, I'm happy, you know, did you know that Nas and gave Scarface and somebody else? There's a fund. I think him, Steve Stout, and there's two other people, there's a fund that they give two people, two rappers every year, like a half million dollars. Really? And like free health care for the rest of their life or some shit. Wow, that's amazing.

And they gave it to Scarface, and it was somebody else. It was two people. Wow. That's amazing. They're going to do it every year. You see Scarface Tiny Death Performance? The great. I've seen in the long.

Only because Mike Dean, I was like, you don't even know, like, I've worked with Mike Dean. I've done like four songs of Mike. I used to live in Texas. We were signed to rap a lot. Really? And I got a chance to work with the great Mike Dean. Right.

You know, N.O. Joe, John Bito, crazy C. All those guys, man. I went down there, man. It was an R.S.O. We got signed. And I lived in Houston, you know, shout to Jay Prince and rap a lot. But got to stay out there.

I got Bushwick, man. God rest Bushwick, man. Bushwick stayed with me for like a month. down there a funny funny funny funny moffin i miss bushwick man people just don't realize how man me and bushwick bonded for he stayed with me a couple of months in houston then came up to alana no miami stayed with me like um you know i got you got cool with willie d you know i mean me and face got real cool and of course you know j j was like you know um you know i looked at jay like at that time like a OG a mentor on how he was doing it I got one I got one

recommendation one question and then I'll let you do your shoutouts or let us know what's going up yep you know you know hit boy is of course the producer who did all the nod shit recently and stuff he I don't know if you're turned on to this but he's producing slash like managing his dad his dad did 30 years roughly throughout his life in prison shit and one of his dad's big things throughout his life because I guess his dad was like very, very serious gangbanger is that he wanted his son to stay out of the streets. His son ends up becoming this huge producer, making all this money.

And now that his dad's out, hit boys basically like working his dad's career. And he has a project out with the game. And that's it right there, by the way. The CD right there. But his dad is an older dude and his fucking fire. Like really awesome rapper. Yes. And it's like, it's just one of the most heartwarming.

tales that I can think of because most rappers are trying to kind of hide their dad away. That's dope. He's out here putting him on front street. That's dope. Now, see, I'm into shit like that. Oh, it's amazing. That's dope. That's dope. And I know as far as like he's living his dream right now. Shit like that counts, man. But that, let's see,

look, that's the best of what hip hop has to offer. That's why hip hop is more than music. I'm at the beginning we were saying what hip hop is to us. That's what that is. Because his father was a hip hop dad. His father grew up in hip hop. That was the driving force of him.

And now for his son to be successful and then come out, they're doing this. That's what, and we're in goosebumps. That's what, that's what the hip hop really is. And that's what a lot of these new people and young generation are missing. Is that part of it. Right. Yeah, it's been, it's amazing. You definitely got to check that project out.

I am. I am. Tony Yeo has told a story a couple times on Vlad. When he ran up on Ben Zino. I'm going to add about this because it's going to give you a pass. I can go, okay, first of all. He gave you a pass and you took it. So look, right?

So look, so I really don't know Tony Yale, right? The things I've heard, I remember when the shit happened in jail, when he got the cereal poured it on his head and he'd do nothing in jail. I went about about that. Yeah, my man, Young told me that. The part where 50 cents, remember when 50, I told the story when I helped 50 cents, when he was at the Hit Factory Studio. Right.

And he got to a situation with murder ink. Remember with Murder Inc.? He ran down to my session. Right, right, right. Pulled out a gun and said that the gun, his man dropped. You know who his man was, Tony Yeo. And the gun had no bullets in it.

Now when Tony Yeo told the story, right? You got to laugh at Tony Ayo, you know what I'm saying? Because he's a good storyteller. A lot of these guys are. He said 50 had the 40 or the 4 fifth or the 4. 50 had a little revolver and sat there and was like, yo, my man, he was pissed. My man pulled out and showed me he got stabbed right here.

He said his man pulled out the gun and dropped it. He picked the gun up and it had no bullets in it. Okay, now, Yale told that story wrong. The story, fast forward up to Miami. I forgot when I was down there. I was down there with the big Xeno piece. The Zeno piece I paid like, I paid Jacob like 900,000 for, cash for the zeno piece cash right and um then i had the gladiator that was about a half a million

right the three then i had the masterpiece the iced out masterpiece like i almost two million jewelry walking down to the short club i had my man hawk with me we didn't have no gun on us so yayo and it pulled up and i think 50 was in the car yeah yo jumped out and was like yo what's up i'm on the sidewalk now they're on collins avenue this broad daylight i'm like yo What's up? You know, my man, Hawk's big. I'm like, you know, we knew we didn't have no strap, and we should have had a strap,

but we knew we didn't have one. So at this point, it's like some bluff shit going on, because I got a bluff, I got a gun. So he's like, listen, now his man jumps out the back. His man's Lodi-Mack. Now, Loddy-Mack got killed. Now, Loddy-Mack was the one that slapped Jimmy Hinchman's son. Right?

Lodi-Mack got killed. Tony Ayo's mother's house got shot up when all that shit happened. You see what I'm saying? Like, you know, when they was in the street, Yale and jumps out, this man's like, yo, what's up, man, what's up? You want it?

Yo, what's up? And he flashed the gun. He didn't pull it out. You know what I'm saying? But I'm standing right there. And I'm just like, I didn't hear no shit about no pass and I didn't move. The niggas, there was a girl screaming, get back in the car, get back in the car, get back in the car.

Get back in the car. Hawks said 50 was in the car. They jumped in the car and took off. Like, does that sound like a movie video? He asked me if I wanted a pass? So it was a situation where they basically could have done whatever the f***. He could have because I had no gun. If it was me and I know me and my guys, we would strip the shit out of everything.

He would, everything would have came off. Everything would have came off. Let me get there. Everything, everything, everything would it came off. That's what should have happened. I had almost $2 million. I'm worth the jewelry on me. Right.

So like when I hear him tell his stories, he's just a storyteller. You know what I'm saying? He ain't the guy that's frontlining. I'm a front line. you know what I'm saying he can I'm not going to go back and forth you know what I'm saying on the internet but

everything what I'm saying is what happened you know what I mean I don't it wasn't even all that serious to me like to even be bringing it up but I get it everybody brings up something he should have brought up how you know black child and beat him up and how come he didn't have no bullets in that bullshit ass revolver in his gun

that 50 showed me he lied about 50 having the 40 wow come on man like it doesn't like bro I'm 58 what the fuck I gotta lie about this dumb shit for you know how much street shit and gangsters should I've been a part of that that makes that look like nothing like that ain't nothing that wasn't nothing this just involved I bring up all that other shit yeah you're not gonna hear about me getting sierra port over my fucking head in jail and none none of that stupid shit like we we're a different type of guy is that a well-known rumor that's that

happened really that happened yeah next time you you get interviewed that Did somebody pour cereal on your head in Rikers? Everybody know about that. Oh, wow. But I'm saying, like, like, yeah, you know, 50 is the boss. Yeah, yo's the, I'm a boss. You see, he's an under guy, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

I don't get involved with stuff like that, man. It ain't, man, Adam, that shit right there. You know, it's crazy because it's because people don't even understand, like, the real world is out there. Like, whatever happens, happens. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you know, there's, we all been through so much. Everybody on all sides to where is that, you would think people would just want to chill and get money.

But I'm not going to bark at every car that come by anymore, you know what I'm saying? Because I know who I am. And I don't, you know, there ain't no place I can go or no place I can't, you know what I'm saying? You know, I don't, listen, you know, shit, we all bleed red, you feel me, so I'm not the toughest guy. I'm not but I ain't you just ain't gonna you know you ain't gonna take nothing from me you know I'm saying as far as all the shit that's gonna be talked on the internet I don't pay that shit no attention respect what um thank you so much for this interview anyway it's a real honor dope bro but also what what do you have going on

what are you pushing what's the vision I got my guys that's one bring him in yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I get three of them three yeah yes yeah yes yeah yeah yeah just yeah yeah yeah yeah just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I got um and I did this song and I did the song I'm gonna leave you with Addressing the Corey situation You know she made like three songs about me

So I finally made a song Really? Yeah Oh shit I'm gonna let you You know what I'm gonna let you uh What's that? Maas

That's my guy, Maz you right there Come over here, bro You know what I'm saying It's Adam man What's up man How you live? What's up? You know Maas

Hey you'll tell him Hey Ma'am Tell him what you be doing You already know, man, it's sports band. You know what I'm saying? A sports band King, Mazze, VS, SBK. You already know the biggest sports been in the game, man. Oh, that's you.

Okay, now I know you are. All right. What's up, Jay? How are you doing? How's you doing? No, no, no, no. We just hooked up over the internet, man. We got some things we try to do.

Yeah, we got some things we try to do, man. You know, when everybody here, I'm coming out, I said, man, come on there. You know, introduce it because the shit that he's doing, I'm like, God damn, well, I went on his Instagram. I was like, no, I'm not a better. I'm not a gambler. But, you know, you have to have a system in order like, you got to be a mathematical genius to, you know what I'm saying?

You can't just win like the way he's winning without. So I just want to, you know what I'm saying? When you win Vegas, you know what I'm saying? Let's do it. I need my picks. Do you gamble? I play poker. That's it.

Are you fuck with the poker? At this moment. All right. That could be persuaded. You're going to sports gambler? Not of this time. MyBooky.com. Use code no jumpers.

Sneak that in there. Yo, come on, Josh. Mayor. How the fuck you know Josh? He's the guys that got me here. I know I'm from Criminash. These are guys that actually got me here. Oh, really?

Okay. These are guys that got me here. Okay. Right here. You know what I'm saying? They're the ones that's like, yo, you want to do? And I was like, of course I would.

You know what I'm saying? Me and Josh been doing shit they're made for a minute. Oh, yeah. And he's on the weed right here. They like this yours. Like this, Yeah, free Crip Mac too, man. Free Crip Mac all the way.

Yeah. And tell them with y'all, you know what I'm saying? Tell me. We tapped in with everybody, man. You know, we work with a lot of different clients. Benzino is one of them. Crip Mac's another one that you know. Hands, a whole bunch of people.

Adam, we was at your house for the recording. We've been everywhere, man, running around with Crip Mac. Oh, yeah. You guys were at the reality show. Yeah. Yeah, we were at the reality show with Lord D. Lena. Yeah.

Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Great. of my life fair great for sure we got a lot going on I got a management company he's an artist but he do management too I mean we'd be doing stuff with smart eyes marketing promotion and they're out there like what I like the bottom is they like y'all are out there like y'all actually get to the we get out there you know

I'm saying so I'm from the DMV too I'm sitting on the ring yeah yeah we're outside I know it's a lot of that's a lot of jewelry yeah we spent we spent a lot Google mirror DMV, Google John from Y and C, you're gonna see what's going on. We got a lot going on. Benzino about the, he really, he's been going up, but he's about to really go up. Man, listen, man, I've been, I've been, I've been, for, once I've seen CC on this shit, once I seen Cor, I knew it, I was like, yo, bro, I was like. And then, like, I just watched the shit. Then once I found you was from New England area, I think we, the first time we talked was on Clubhouse.

And you know what I think he, I heard him say like, right, clubhouse a long time ago. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. No, because, you know, I remember there was one time where at my store back in the day, I was, like, sitting down to do an interview. And somebody just mentions in the background, they're like, yo, Benzino is posted up outside smoking a blunt. And I remember, like, Benzino. And then I remember, like, you just don't like Benzino because of some shit you read in double Xcel, like 15 years ago. I was like, oh, yeah.

That's crazy. And I wanted to go out and post up and say, what's up. But I was like, right about to do an interview. I didn't get to meet you back then. Smoking like a ball for it, just blow it. Yeah, just somebody told me, benzino outside smoking a blunt. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, I don't believe in these stories. They just pulling up on YouTube, like, this is the song and me and Tupac did. Look. Right. It's in the studio and everything, me and pop. Yeah. Tell me these stories. Now, guys, you know what I mean?

I've done this for a minute, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I've been blessed, man. That's why I say, you know, you're a hip hop guy, you know what I'm saying? And then a lot of people like, a lot of people like when, when they see, you know what I'm saying, me like me do interviews like this interview is probably one of the most coolest interview I did in the minute yeah super like laid back flow of information yeah bro like yeah like you very you up on your shit now appreciate a lot of them ain't on it who's who's your favorite who's your

podcaster right now who's your favorite who's your Vlad TV baby okay that's my OG he put me on the set who's your who's your who's your ah he's why no oh I'm not gonna do that I well who's I can't hate on somebody making an honest living. All right top five top five podcasters in hip hop or just in general hip hop hip hop I mean you do I don't even know if I could get to five there's so much it's so political too there's people who I think are good that I don't want to shut out I want to shut out bitch ass that's political that's what I don't know maybe yeah for a lot of money yeah for a lot of money so it got to be a lot of money we do the events a

selection events we be i did it for 25 bandos yeah i needed it at the time yeah let's go yeah yeah yeah that was yeah i got my ass well up for free a few times in my life so i guess you know getting paid couldn't be it don't hurt man a couple little plans you know i mean i mean i wouldn't mind getting it for the right price no more i always say this but the feeling that i got after i had like five or six guys on top of me trying to beat the shit out of me outside the bar and i walked away with like A black eye. That gave me a high like doing fucking acid. Because it made me realize you could have that many people trying to kill you

and you still be all right. And that just meant a lot to me. That's dope. And you survived. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Could never happen now. Come here.

Hey, this is the last one right here. They all get turned in the packs now. HD. This right here is my artist right here. I'm working with me coming out. So I got a song that's addressing the whole, you know, Koi situation I did with Oh, it's with him. Okay.

Yeah, with age and shit. It's sung on it, man. It's HD. Adam, you know what I'm saying? Nice, you're talking about you, bro. How are you living? Tell me a little bit about yourself. My name is, my name is H.D.

My artist's name is Hugh Dadeon. But, you know, everybody called me H.D. Guyana. Yeah, I'm Guyana, I'm Guyanese. Oh, okay. South America. Nice. So we got a song.

I'm addressing, you know, like the coy situation, so I'm going to leave it with you. Oh, yeah, I want to hear that shit. Yeah, yeah, because she done made it, like, a few songs about me. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's the one joint, you know what came out good. It's called Predator or Pre. Yeah, because we're in the op era.

And if she doesn't really have any, like, valid op to make songs about it, you might just have to take aim at your dad, right? I notice a lot of rappers are out here collecting ops, you know? My fucking daughter's op. That's crazy. I mean, it's the ultimate op. Man, I appreciate this, bro. No, for real.

Legendary interview, the show. Come on. We got to do it again. Oh, 100%. Let's run it back. Anytime. All right. My man.

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