No Jumper - Big Fifty on Making Millions Scamming, Being a Madame, Selling Drugs & More

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Big 50 talks about her upbringing, her lifestyle in the streets, doing time with Martha Stewart, building an empire, her take on Meg Thee Stallion Snitching on Tory Lanez, and more! ----- 0:00 - Intro 1:48 - Grew up with married parents but her father was a cheater 4:13 - Fifty says in her household her mom didn’t smoke or drink but her dad was a weekend drinker, says he’d come in the house after being out with the ladies 5:15 - Fifty says in retaliation for her dad cheating, her mom crazy glued his D to himself 8:57 - Says she grew up to be a cheater like her father and it was kind of fun 10:05 - Fifty says she had a fight at 12 where she put a girl’s __ out 13:19 - Fifty says the girl was fairskinned, green eyes and attractive and the fact that her eyes was gone, Fifty says her parent’s bank account was drained after because they had to pay for the girls glass eye 18:20 - Black people outside of the US vs Black Americans, Fifty says she’d go to Africa and get blood diamonds if she could 21:34 - Fifty points out Veeze cereal and says she remembers Veeze when he was a little kid, hanging out with her nephews, says she knows Sada, Peezy, says she f**** with ICP 25:00 - Says she remembers in 8th grade her and a friend popped her teacher on both of her ears for talking too much, they got kicked out of school 26:37 - Says she got pregnant at 15, says the guy wasn’t sh** and he ain’t sh** now 31:33 - Says she entered a life of crime after she had her son and felt like she can’t sit around and do nothing 40:03 - Says there was a young lady named Gloria who was stylish, big Afro, thigh high boots and had a big Cadillac, Fifty says she would tell her all the time she wanted to be like her, says Gloria would tell her “No you don’t want to be like Me” says she found out that Gloria was a high class ____ 41:02 - Says the Madam thing came easy, it’s just like drugs, anybody can do it, says when your the “It” girl the others cling to you and become clones, and she knew all the guys 46:00 - Fifty says back then you could get 4-5000 from a player, these days b**** will f*** for $50 and give head for 10 “, says they’ll just smoke a blunt and give head in the car 50:44 - Says she was in the madam game and dr*g game at the same time but the dr*g game outlasted the madam game because the girls get older and she didn’t want to keep dealing with younger girls as times changed 55:21 - Says everyone is stupid for thinking that if you call on FaceTime the feds can’t listen in 56:26 - Fifty says the kids don’t give a f*** now, they walk around with g__ in their clothes, says in her day it was more about making money, says these kids these days are worried about who’s wearing the tightest jeans 58:00 - Fifty says the rules for snitching are the same for women as men, says if a woman snitches she gets stitches too, says she doesn’t respect the shooter thing, she respects the shooter at this point 59:10 - Fifty says Tory Lanez shouldn’t have the gun but she thinks he was trying to get his D*** in ___ thing going on, says Tory was trying to f*** everybody 1:06:25 - Says she has 5 felonies, her longest bid was 3yrs, said her lawyers would do a good job for her, almost got 10yrs for doing tax fraud, et Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No, John Brad, coolest podcast on the world. We're in here today with the one and only Big 50. Yes. I've watched a lot of clips online. Okay. And you are a fascinating individual. I don't know if I ever spotted a woman on the Internet who had the kind of just charisma that you got. Yeah, I got that at him.

It's a whole different level. Yeah, you know, it's levels to the shit anyway. You know what I'm saying? You know, I grew up in Detroit, east side of Detroit, kind of rough in a household. lots of aunties and uncles. Okay. So that was interesting to me because mom left home, left dad. We was daddy girls, so we wanted to stay home.

And so Detroit at the time, I mean, there's a lot of conversations now about it basically being a hithole slash maybe being on the way back. Maybe. It's a big maybe, right? Certain parts. Okay. Only certain parts is only way back. Was it still thriving at all when you were a young girl? Yeah.

I mean, you know what? We were the Motor City, you know what I'm saying? So we got some good to come out of Detroit. You know, I want everybody to take Detroit to spend the all-waste the bad. But we did have some good. We had Motown, you know. We got the automotive, you know, the big three, you know. Remember the World Series was here with the Tigers, but that shit went crazy.

You know, they got the killing and shooting and burning. Really? But we had some good. We got some good to come out of Detroit, you know, Tommy Hurons, what's that? Joe Lures, Barry's. Sanders, all them, all the good boys. When I talk to people who are from Detroit, it seems like regardless of what the economic status might be, that there's always been like a real culture about it.

Yeah, very cultural. Right. Yeah. And so your childhood, tell me a little bit about it. Well, I grew up with a mother and father, Mary. My father worked for the automotive. He worked for the one of the big three. My mom at the time was a stay-home mom, and then she wanted to go get a job, you know how that is.

So she went and got her little job working as assistant for nurses. And my father was a cheater. Oh, okay. He was a big one. He was a big, bad cheater, too. And being that I was a daddy's girl, always was right there with him when he cheats. So I was kind of more up to look out. So you were forced to keep your dad's secrets from a very young age.

Yeah, yeah. I definitely kept his secret. So it was times where she would throw him out and she'd wake me up. Get up. Go with this motherfucker. So she saw you as his confidant. She knew that you were in on this. Because I'm in on it.

I'm in on it. You know, he cheated with the bitch next door in PD. He cheated with this one, Regina across the street. He cheated down the street with this one. He's just cheated in the neighborhood. He's just a neighborhood whore. That's crazy because, okay, I have a three-year-old daughter. This is my first foray into parenthood.

And it is like impossible. possible for me to imagine my daughter. She's like her and my girl are clicked up like this. I mean, I love my mom. We were close, but my dad, see, this is what he used to do for me. Every week when he come home from the plan, he had me a pair of shoes and a dress. Okay. So every week I had a pair of shoes.

I had so many shoes. I'm a shoe person right now. I had so many shoes at them to, I would throw the other pair in the garbage. Every week he brought me a pair. So my parents was like, where's all your shoes? I thought that's what you're supposed to do. You throw them away for the new pair on. So dad was good like that with me.

Right. Until one day, I think I was in a kindergarten. And, you know, the kindergarten back in the day, there was little wooden chairs, the little wooden tables. I was trying to show a little boy in my shoe, and he wouldn't look at it. So I picked the chip and hit him in the head with it, bust his head open.

I was kicked out of the kindergarten, the whole school. Kindergarten. Yeah, Jones Elementary. I was bused to a whole new school. So who taught you that kind of move? Somebody doesn't reciprocate your advances, you've got to break a chair over there. Yeah, I just, I didn't know why I did. I just didn't like him not looking at my shoes.

I was patting my feet. Right. I wanted to see my damn shoes. Wow. He went paying me attention, so I said, oh, I get your attention this way. But prior to that moment in your life, had you witnessed people use violence to get their way? Well, yeah, because, you know, I'm in a household where my mother wasn't really, she didn't smoke or really drink at the time. My father was a weekend drinker.

Okay, he didn't drink during the week. So the weekend drink could come in, and, you know, he didn't have been out with the ladies. And he talked in his sleep. So he told all this business anyway. Oh, my God. He's one of them. Yeah, he was one of them. So my mom always, you know, hit first strike him.

And then they get up and they be fighting. So I come out. What's going on? Leave my daddy alone. I always took my dad's out. I don't know what, but I did. So I had to get through out the house with him all the time. So when they broke up, I stayed with dad.

The sleepwalking thing, you want to know why that just impressed me so much is I just got hit with like a wave of nostalgia because like 20 years ago there was a girl. I'm fresh out of high school. There was a girl that I was into and she had this bum-ass boyfriend and it was the kind of thing where I'm just like talking to her. I'm listening to her. And then she goes on vacation with this dude and he airs himself out for cheating while he's sleeping. And I thought this was like the first person that's ever happened to. No, my dad did it all the time. My mother even took crazy glue or some kind of glue and stuck as wee-wee.

to it. Wait. Yeah, she did that. She lined his dick with crazy glue and then stuck it to him. Yeah, she, I mean, he was talking too much. I mean, he's talked, he tells it all. That's, he said, oh, Ruby, don't do me like that, Ruby. That's like arguably worse than

some Loreno Bobbi. Because she cut the shit up. Yeah. You put super glue on it. When I pull it off my stomach, it's going to rip all the hair off the front of it. It's going to be ugly as fuck for life. I can't have that. That's what she did to him. What the fuck? Holy shit.

So did you get kicked out of kindergarten or what were the repercussions of it? I got kicked out. The whole school, I had to go to another school. Really? Yeah, a whole new kindergarten school. And what memory do you have of what your parents said to you about this? They just asked me why did I do it? I said, well, he'd been paying attention to my shoes.

Dad throwing his shoes every week and I wanted to show him all. He didn't pay no attention. So that's why I did it. Wow. Yeah. It was times when I was mad at my mom. Back in the day, you know, potting legal. I rolled up my homework and took it to school and gave me to the teacher with the potting.

You gave her a joint. Yeah. She said, what is this? I said, I don't know. My mom and dad smoker there. What did your teacher do? Called home, like, please get up here. What is going on here?

But she didn't call the cops about the way or anything. She just thought my parents, they both denied it. We don't know. So they were babysitting her. I was like, no, this is what you're smoking. Right. So, I mean, the conversation about parenting always kind of goes back to like nurture versus nature. So were you just a natural psychopath?

Or do you think that you inherited it from your parents? Nope. I just think it was natural for me because I was kind of like class clown. I always talk shit and can bag it up. You know what I'm saying? I always was that talker. I had a little boyfriend during that time in school. I never forget telling him he had to give me his lunch money.

every day for a whole year. He said, why? I said, because I want your lunch money. You like me, right? He said, yeah. So when he didn't want to give it to me, I act like I knew karate some crazy shit. But this is like the era of like kung fu movies and shit, so this

was actually applicable. I ain't like, I know the crazy shit. So I started, you know, chopping his ass. Until one day his brother come up and was like, you've taken my brother's lunch money every day. You've been doing this for a year. here, he said he'd be hungry at lunch. What?

He's a boy. He shouldn't be hungry at lunch. And he said, well, you shouldn't want two lunches. I mean, the level of like manipulative behavior that you're describing right there, I don't know if there's really enough time for a kid to learn that by first grade or whatever. I feel like that's kind of got to be in you. It's in me. I mean, I don't know where.

My father was tall, very slim type guy. Ladies man. I said, huh? Ladies man? You said he was cheating? He's a cheater. He's a cheater, tall, very slim, you know, nice hair, you know, and he never, I guess he manipulated his women because any time you can go with the girl next door and she'd be quiet

when mom come out and say, hi. You know, kind of sort of like a Miss Park or thing. So, you know, maybe that's a manipulative type thing. I never been a great cheater. It's hard for me to imagine, like, keeping the other girl quiet. Oh, you never been a cheater? I mean, okay, I was a cheater, but just not at the scale that I feel like you're describing with your dad. Yeah, I mean, I grew up to be a cheater too.

Yeah. It's kind of fun. That's not surprising based on everything else he said here. It's kind of fun. It was kind of fun. No, for sure. I would describe, like, a big chunk of my life, my fetish or like the thing I was into, I think was having a girlfriend and then fucking a lot of other girls as well. Right.

And like just a lot of other girls, just a lot of girls, period. I don't think that would have necessarily did it. I really like the feeling of deceiving someone. No, well. It's kind of fucked up. Yeah, it's kind of fucked up. I don't like that about myself. Dad, dad enjoyed it.

I'd be in the car with him and he'd be in the front seat and I'd be looking in the back like, here she comes. She's running down the street with her bat. But you think you were just motivated by the dresses and the shoes and the materialistic stuff? I just liked it. I don't know why, but I liked it. My dad did it every week. He brought her home every week.

Right. You know, I got a thing for fashion, for stuff. I like stuff. Definitely. So he embedded that. He embedded that part. Like I said, mom was kind of calm. You know, she was calm for a long time.

So as you get older, what kind of stuff do you start getting into in high school? Well, before high school, I ended up having a little fight where I put the girl eye out. I think I was 12. Oh, my God, with the stick. I forgot about this story. Oh, I listened to this like a few months ago And I forgot about it until right now I was 12, I think I was 12

And see, people think Oh, she hit that girl with a stick Because the ice was green And, you know, they just don't know I was a kid at Things was going on in the household When I had to go to my grandmother's house, you know And just a lot of anger

Right A lot of anger And then, you know, I'm 12 years old Had some kind of lemonade I don't know what kind of goddamn stand But me and a couple of friends that I grew up with, the girl, we let her keep the money because she was the oldest. Right, and she spent it all. She spent the money and had the nerd to come on there with her little gym shoes on and her little dress.

Where's our money? We got to go to, you know, there's a little store called King's Way. You remember the white punk and see Jim Shoes. We wanted all get a pair of those, and she spent the money on herself. Right. Somebody pushed it to me, and I pushed it back to them, and they was pushing around. Like, it was three of us in the circle pushing on it. And then they pushed into me and I just got angry at them.

I just grabbed a stick up and had a little point to it. But you know, I was always taught. We walked a very long way to school, right? So my grandmother used to say hide bricks and sticks in the bushes, you know, for protection in case you get the crazy men coming around trying to grab the girls. So I always lined that up. Wow, that's smart. I did that for years, sixth grade, eighth grade.

and those sticks up. So my grandma had always taught us to pick up something. You know, somebody come after you, you better hit him with the stick. You better, you know, hit him with the brick, something like that. So I just, my first reaction is to pick the stick up. And I jugged an eye. Right. And I brought it home.

So not only did you hit her in the eye with the stick, but it impaled the eyeball. Yeah, it came out. So you're walking around with an eye on a stick like a shot? Shish Kabab. Like a shish kebab. That's fucked. That's like the gnarliest men's a... That was crazy.

I remember watching that clip for the first time a month ago and it's 11.30 p.m. I'm smoking weed. About to go to bed. And I'm literally sick to my stomach. Like it really fucked me up just picturing a little girl with a eye on a stick. Can you believe that shit? I was...

Oh, that was terrible. I brought the stick... I brought the eye home on a stick behind my back. And I just had the little blood on me and my grandmother said, what have you done? Right. I said, well, she deserved it. She was like, what did you do?

I said she deserved it. She stole our money. And she was like, you don't even have a lot of money. But she stole what we had. Right. And I went on in the house with the, before I went to house, she grabbed my hand up and I was on the stick. And she took it and threw it. What?

What was her reaction? She was like, Rada, what? You know. My daughter is capable of great evil. Yeah. My granddaughter. Right. And she was out done.

And so was that girl just rocking an eye patch for the list? Well, yeah. Her eyes was a green eye. She was a green eye girl, fair-skinned girl, black girl. And I just, the fact of her eye, she's attractive girl, the fact that her eye is gone, she's walking around with no eye. And years ago like that, they didn't do anything really much, but make, like, my parents from bank accounts was drained.

They took money from your parents. Yeah, they had to pay for her eye. She had that glass eye that she had to get. And being her eye colors green, I don't know if that was more money, you know. She ended up growing up, they moved away. When I last heard, they had moved to Indiana. Because when I was in prison at this time,

she knocked on my grandparents' door and was asking was I there. and my uncle was like, oh, but you're talking about like many years later when you're a full adult, she stopped by to see you. Yeah, because she wanted to know why it happened.

Oh, okay. You know, she wanted to know what really, really took place for me to do this. So really, I believe she was like, she really did this on purpose.

She really didn't like me. But I was just young. I was a kid. That's what people don't get. I'm a kid and I was angry, you know? And my uncle, But when she started bat, my uncle said, you know, Rhonda's not here.

She was like, well, I know she's grown up and moved away. Can you give her a number for me? My uncle said, she's in prison. She said, oh, I thought she'd be there one day. So she probably felt that as me being a little angry kid. I mean, honestly, like prison basically exists for the people who stab people's eyeballs with sharpened wooden sticks and they carried around like a shish kebab. That is really like what the prison is.

exist for, right? Okay, I've had a few different times in my life where I, like, punch somebody and, like, fucking broke their teeth out or, like, really kick somebody's head in good. Damn, you was fucking a month, too, huh? There was a lot of fighting when I was a young kid, but, like, a lot of times I would feel, like, just really, like, dirty afterwards. Like, it would kind of fucking my head just, even if I felt like they deserved it.

You felt bad afterwards. Even though I felt like they deserved it, it still just made me feel kind of sick just thinking about it. a conscious. Yes. I didn't have a conscious. When I did, I did it. I had no conscious. Right. I didn't have no conscious, Adam. That was crazy. Wow. Do you think I'm crazy?

I mean, I think if you could do that to someone as a little girl and not feel some sort of, you know, repentance afterwards? I didn't do it until I got grown. I didn't feel like that. As a teenager in my 20s, none of that. I didn't never feel things like that. I never feared anything. But as you've gotten older,

You started to be able to, like, process that. Oh, yeah, I processed it because I've been in prison a few times. So, you know, everybody go to prison at them and they want to take the drug program. I never was a druggie. But you feel if you drink alcohol, you know, take the program. Everybody does it to get less time, right? You wanted less time. So I took the program because I wanted the time off.

I had to be honest. Yeah, I can't be better honest. You know, I took the time off. I wanted to take the time off. You know, get the time, take the time off from the drug treatment program. But when I got in the program, the program was actually a good program. I like that program. The DTSs got together, did the family tree.

They did a whole family tree on you when you're in that program, right? So you figure out your lineage. And then, you know what? They came back. It was like a panel of them. They was like, you know what? You play Robin Hood in the streets. I'm like, what are you talking about?

They say you do. You rob from the rich and give to the poor. You're a robin hood in the streets. And that was so true about me, you know. And also they was like, hmm, they put, they did this little test where they put all the signs together, like the scorpios, the aries, the disson. And they sat back and they said, we did this test for a reason because I'm a scorpio woman. So when they put all of us at one table, they were writing things down. When the session was over it, they said, we put all y'all at the table.

because we wanted to make sure we knew who was the loudest. They said the Scorpio's always when they do their test. They always the loudest at the table. The school did this analysis. Yeah, well, in prison. Oh, in prison. They did that when I did the drug treatment test. Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah, they did. That's how they do your family trees based off this type of stuff, you know? Yeah. And they was like, we put all the Scorpios together. We knew they would be the loudest at the table. It was just the test that they did. Do you know that if you go to England or, you know, wherever? they like the black people in England think that the black people in America are fucking a little out of the ordinary because they can't trace their family lineage in large part for obvious reasons.

That's always and that's just not with them. It's just it's the Africans and the Jamaicans too. You know, they always think we're different from them, you know, American, black and you're not African, you're not Jamaican. But I always tell people, what do you think? were African before you was anything else. You was African first. Well, it's crazy once you get into the discourse between like American black people versus immigrants and there's like rivalries and people looking down on each other.

They do that. As a white guy, it's just like, oh, shh. Y'all got beef like within? Okay. Isn't that crazy though? I think it's a waste of time. It's a waste of time. All the American blacks be like, oh, the Africans don't like us.

I'd be like, then you talk to the Africans and all American boys, them boys don't like. I'm like, what do y'all get this from? You're black, right? There are big cultural differences, I'm sure, but it's just interesting. I think it's the way, like you said, culture, a living. Yeah. From Africa to America, they think we had it better being Americans. We're the land of the free, remember?

So I just think it's all a bunch of bullies. I'd rather went to Africa and found me some blood diamonds. You'd be like, the one person who's just no shame. Right, yeah. If I can get away with it, I'd go to Africa and get me some blood time, man. Got it. Okay, so, but do you remember being formally suspended or expelled after the stick eye-stabbing incident? Well, I didn't get expelled from school because that happened off school ground.

Oh, man, school has changed a lot. Because now you're out of there. Yeah, you're out of there now. They would have heard some shit like that. No, I did that. And, you know, I went on. And that's when my mom stepped up and said, I have to get her because, you know, she's Growing up, she's doing too much.

Her father's working. She's at a grandparent's house. It's time for me to take her. So my mom, you know, when she left my father, remember I told you, she was a square. She ended up joining a motorcycle gang. So she left her dad and then basically joined something that was way more gangster than what he was on?

Yeah, she was joined the motorcycle club, the Black Dragons. Okay. Back then. So she ended up being sergeant-in-arm. She was a tough one. Was there like a big culture of black motorcycle gangs in Detroit at the time? Yeah, it was a lot.

Yeah, the soul devils, the black dragons, the hellraisers. You know, that was big, that was big, the Afro dogs. And they were kind of running shit. Yeah, they run the shit. They run the shit. Hell yeah, they run the shit. They got to drink their booms farm. And I think that was the initiation for the boons farm drink a case of booms farm.

What's that? That's some wine. You never had that boons farm. You never had the boons farm. You ain't never heard of Cisco. I know you heard of Cisco. What, the motherfucker with the thong and the silver hair? Yeah, I know Cisco.

Not that weird. Not that weird ass. No, okay. No, it was a drink. You know, just like that malt liquor up there, that Cisco would wipe that malt liquor out. Free Crickmack. That's my boy. He's locked up.

We're going to keep it up there until he gets out. Yes, and V's. What up, V's? Oh, you fuck with V's. There you go. Yeah, yeah. I remember V's when he was a little kid. He was my nephew now.

Dailing them, yeah. That's crazy. So you know any of the other Detroit superstars when they're younger now? Yeah, I know a lot of them, yeah. Right. The little young ones, yeah. You got, you got Sada Baby, you got PZ. PZ.

Yeah, you remember, do you remember the book of what was they name, Rock Bottom? No. Wipeout, big hurt, all down. Anybody fuck with us, not us? Right. What about the insane clown posse? Yeah, they were crazy. I love them.

You fuck with them? Yeah, I fuck with them. Really? Okay. Let's get them out. Yeah, I like them boys. Yeah. Okay, so you...

Yeah, the boys. Oh, yeah, I like them. Right. Yeah. Definitely. Cash out those boys, yeah. Detroit and Flint as well. Flint, you got to give it to them.

They got a whole wave coming out there as well. Yeah. They, you know what, Adam? Good. Good. They're very good. But if they can stop all the fighting, there's so much killing the Detroit. You know that?

Yeah. But between the rappers who are actually, actually pop and it doesn't feel like there's that much tension or you don't hear about it too much, a little bit of... Well, all you're going to hear in our city is a lot of killing. Yeah. It's a lot of violence. There's a lot of violence.

Right. These kids is off the fucking chain. I just would say that as opposed to Chicago, where it feels like the gang killings and the rappers, like, overlap exactly. Yeah. We don't hear about the rappers or the rappers crews in Detroit. getting into that shit so much? Well, the rappers in Detroit,

they rival with each other on the west side, east side. Or you can't come across six miles, you ain't going across eight mile type thing. That's what they kind of be on territorial type shit. A lot of people probably would expect you to not necessarily be paying attention of that sort of shit,

but you still keep your ear to the streets? I mean, God damn. I mean, I don't look over my shoulders and backs no more, but I keep my ear to the streets. You know, I got kids. That's 30. you know, young kids, you know, I keep my ears. If you saw Piz or V's or Sada baby or whatever, what are they going to say?

Like, oh, that's my auntie or what they're. Yeah, you know, we call everybody in Detroit called everybody, Auntie. I hate the fucking name to be exact because I might want to fuck with me and young one. They're going to say, what up, Auntie? I'm like, is these niggas to make this shit up? Call me Auntie, nigga. Shit. I mean, I'm sure most of them would probably be all about it.

Yeah, that's what they do. Saddam? Yeah, what up, Auntie? Come on. Yeah, they'll be, what up, Auntie. yeah that's what they did but I don't think Sada baby's gonna turn down some pussy from his auntie no you you not like his actual auntie

I'm sure he's got aunts so that he would not okay I don't know I'll fall back there a little bit but okay so after that situation you don't get suspended what what do you what's the rest of school like for you there well I don't get suspended

as if do that I hit I'm going towards middle school now. I'm in middle school. And that's sixth to eighth grade, right? Uh-huh. So you got middle school. So I'm going to middle school.

Didn't like it quite because, you know, it was a lot of gang banging back then, too. Really? Okay. A lot of game banking. And I just started hating school. I really did. I don't think it was the teachers.

I just think I was too advanced for these damn kids because I thought I was kind of grown, you know? I was kind of mature, more mature in my head. than I was for school. I know I can do the work, but I just I didn't want to be bothered with the kids. I'll start growing up. And then remember, I'm always, I'm heavy-chested.

So I used to always walking like this, so I dropped my hands now. I'm feeling good about myself. Now I'm, okay? So you were getting a large amount of attention from the boys even a young age? Yeah, the boys in the school, when I started hitting six, seven, eighth grade, I was like, oh, wow, this is it, you know.

So I dropped out. It did feel like in high school. school that the girls who got boobs first ended up in a lot of shit. Because they'd be the ones hanging out with older dudes and getting in trouble. Yeah, I did all that. Yeah, I did all that. I hung out with the older guys. It's a curse.

If your daughter has big tits, you get to be real careful. Mine's got them. Her's big in the mind. No, I've seen, yeah. Yeah, she got some big ones. Big ass, too. Yeah, she got a big old ass. Little bitty weights, yeah.

I ain't out. Cute in the face. I am mad. Yeah. Okay, so where does that take you, though, just these guys being in the team? Yeah. I remember me and a friend of mine who was young, we were eighth grade,

and our teacher was getting on our nerves. I never forget her name was Ms. Chapman. And she was, blah, blah, blah. We just got on the side of her, and we both smacked her face. Boxster ears? Yeah, just popped her on you, left from right. Oh, shit.

One, two, three, five. Shut the fuck up, Ms. Chapman. So, got kicked out. I can go back, but I choose not to. Got pregnant at 15. Oh, Lord. Oh, ain't that crazy? Who was the dude?

He wasn't shit. He ain't shit now. That motherfucker ain't shit. He ain't shit now. He ain't ever want a kid, you know? He ain't want no kids. You know how men tell you, boys tell you that time. I don't want no motherfucking kid, bitch.

I don't want no kid. And you have it anyway. Right. Because you think that's going to bring you closer. You never even thought about having an abortion? You never thought about getting rid of it? Well, yeah, I thought about getting rid of it. My mom, she was like, no.

You're going to play around. You're going to have the best. baby. You know, some people are religion, Christian, they believe in you. You got to have the baby. You know, I believe I shouldn't have this baby. He didn't mourn it. I, you know. If my 15-year-old daughter got pregnant with some random scumbag. What would you do? I am team abortion. Yeah. Okay. Can't handle this shit. Like, it's such a bad development for the rest of your life, bro. You're right. And guess what? That's what I wanted to do. At the time, I was like, I'm too young.

You know, I got to move on. You know, I don't want the baby right now, mom. She was like, you don't have a baby. You're going to have a baby. So I had the baby, and I love my baby. My baby grown, grown now. His birthday was yesterday, actually. But is it a situation where your mom or your grandma ended up kind of taking care of?

Yeah, yeah. My mom had him so long. So he called us both mom. He called my mom, mama, and called me my. You know, but I kind of grew up with him, you know. he's a I don't want to say his age

and a motherfucker try to pinpoint my age you know they right now won't know I won't do that too yeah

they might won't know auntie you can keep indiscuous yeah you're like sure about that or what

no I just don't you know me and sometimes you know we just don't tell our age Adam I mean

damn doesn't matter no I mean it don't matter to me but I also have never tried to fuck

with a chick who was old enough that it would really be an issue No, Adam. These days, you know, I'm an older. I like younger men. Really?

I don't want an old ass motherfucker unless it's about some money. Wow. Yeah, if he was old and he had a lot of money, I'll do it then. But you like the energy of the guy carrying a dirty pistol and a big wad of money and he drinking a mean? They ain't got to have a big dirty pistol, but they can have a wide of money. Okay. A sense of humor. But I'm not saying too young.

I'm not saying 30s or nothing like that. Oh, even 30s. I'm on in the 40s or something like that. I'm picturing like a 25-year-old hot boy. No, I happen to beat his ass because, you know, they don't listen. That's what I'm thinking. Those types of dudes are so hard to wrangle. Adam, I've been to kick this ass or no.

He couldn't handle me. A 25-year-old couldn't handle me. No. No. I don't think that. Like on a level of 40s, you know, early 40s, not too late. Forty's solid, yeah. Because, you know, when they get over 40 now, they're bigs ain't working too.

Really? No, they just, you know, I don't know, what's the, this time, I don't know what this war zone. I don't know, they digs fall off. They fall off. I mean, you know, it's just a limp. It crashes in the dirt. They don't, they don't, they, 40 years ain't fucking like that no money. Really?

See, I just hit 40. I think it's the, I think it's the marijuana or maybe it's the dope. I don't know. Maybe that lean fuck them up. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I think the lean makes them, slows them down and the dicks can't get hard no more. And you notice a lot of 30. and four-year-olds have diabetes and blood pressure problems too.

And all that shit, and they take that medicine. Bad life choices, yeah. Yeah, take that medicine and whatever fuck that shit is, and it makes their dick don't work no more. Think about me? Perfect bill of health. Perfect. I go to the doctor, they say 100%, you're good.

Nothing. And they say it looks like I don't smoke wheat. It doesn't look like it. Well, like inside. Oh, inside. Okay. But don't your dick can stay hard. That's pretty cool.

But when I talk to the male porn stars, sometimes they tell me that around like late 40s is when it really kind of starts to change a little bit. Change it. Now you're not going to be able to go a couple times in a day. Well, you know, around their balls to keep them hard. Yeah. Well, they got the dick pills. Yeah, they got all kinds of good shit. They got shit you can shoot it up with. There's a whole world up there.

Damn, they got some shit to shoot it up. Yes. Wow. And I remember one week I interviewed a rapper or no, a porn star dude who was telling me about it. it. And then I also interviewed like an old ass bank robber dude. I believe it was. He's like in his 60s and he's telling me that he got it from a doctor

and he does it. Oh, wow. A old ass man. Larry Lawton, I believe it was. Larry? He's like a... He's a robber. I forget. He's a white dude though. Mike boy. Okay. When do you enter the world of crime?

I think I was in crime when I put the eye out. And then that's one. And then I had this baby. After I had my son, I was like, I can't sit around here and do nothing. I got this little baby. I'm not in school. What I'm going to do?

So I remember, I think I was like 17. I met this white guy. And he was really, really cool. And he was into S&M. I didn't even know what that was. me and my friends used to hang out at his house in the suburbs. He had a hot tub back there. He used to get in the hot tub.

He used to be like, I'm a water moccas. I'm like, what is that? I'm a what? A water moccasin. I was like, what is that? He was like, I'll show you going to water and, you know, give us some head or something. Oh. I was like, wow, just a watermockus? Just surprise, I'm going to eat your pussy?

Yeah, he was a fool. What a dude? So I was like, damn, what is he into? And one day he had proposed. me like he wanted me to beat him with his thing it looked like it looked like a fucking fly stick it's a fucking fly stick uh-huh yeah so I whipped his ass it got good to me I really I said you got something else and how'd you feel about this inside it didn't bother you no I felt good because he wanted me to do it then he asked me for some candle wax

uh-oh and it was hot I was like oh yes he I can beat him up and I can put the wax on his ass that was fine and you got paid yeah and I got paid all the time. I used to say, open the bottom drawer, get this money. I'm like, how much? I'm so young and stupid. He's like, get what you want. I was scared to take it home.

I was like, I can't take this money home. I have to hide it at my friend house. So that's why I would do it. But I started getting geeked up because I was going every week. And then you know what? I used to see all these little bags in his refrigerator. I was like, what is this? I used to ask him, what is that in the refrigerator?

He was like, don't worry about it. But now as I grew up to know, it was, maybe some heroin. He's a hair one. I didn't know. It was in brown paper bags. Right. And then I knew he had those parties where, you know,

everybody's, you know, drinking and doing the little line stuff. He's had all these good parties that used to take me to. I just be looking like, well, what is this? But you weren't doing the Coke? No, I didn't ever have it. I never wanted to do that type of thing. I drink, though. Where was your mind out, though?

You were just focused on money? I was just focused, yeah, on the money. Yeah, right now I knew I could. can make it, you know. Right. And then I stopped messing with him. It was on the popping in. Right, because for a while he was your only client and then you start expanding from that.

Yeah, I was like, fuck him. How do you even go about finding tricks at that point in time? Well, it was easy because he had took me so many places after hours. I didn't need him no more. I can get in. So you knew the spots. I knew the spots. Meet the men, Greek men like fucking ass.

Did you know that? Greek men. Yeah. Really? All the time. They didn't like to get their wives. So they fucking ass. They talk about all the time.

Greek men, next time get a Greek person and they'll tell you. I mean, most of the time I don't want to get my wife pregnant, but the solution is not fuck me in the ass. They fuck them in the ass. The solution is pulling out. And the Greek women liked it. Really? Yeah, it's always talked to Greek boys.

Oh, they're fucking the Greek women in the ass. Yeah. Oh, I think they're saying the Greek men like to get fucking the ass by you. No, they, oh, they fucking the Greek men. The men fucking, the Greek men fucking, the Greek men fucking and wife. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Yeah.

So that's what they're, they're fucking the ass. always talk about. They like, they like the fucking ass. So, you know, at that time, um, I started saying, they'd be, you got some friends, you know what I'm saying? So that's how you start. That's why I started up with the madam thing. Uh-huh. I start bringing girls to different men. So you weren't, and I can get a good fee for it. You, you automatically knew that you weren't going to base your life around selling pussy. You wanted to be the seller. Well, guess what? If the bitches didn't do a good job, then I got to do it. Right. You know, that's a, you know, it's a part of being a madam.

If they're not going to do it or they can't do it, I got to try to do it. Right. You know, so, yeah, I got to make the tricks happy. Right. You know, and, but I always had, you know, good ladies that. Did you... Did you... Did you have, like, a memory of the first time that you've actually had sex for money?

Um, with the dude, uh, the white dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, with him, because that's the S&M man. I ain't know nothing about that shit. Okay. And did it? People can't tell me about that shit now because I know. Right. They'd be like, do you know about the saddest massacre, the S&A?

Yeah, I know about that. Y'all are late. It's so fucking late. Motherfuckers had dungeons with swings and all kinds of shit in their basement, addicts and shit. Oh, wow. So you were exposed to all that and it didn't scare you off. No, that shit didn't scare me off.

I was like, this some freak motherfucker just wants you to, he wanted to get his ass whoop. That's what I say. Yeah, you just like a woman to beat his ass. That's where I looked at it. A lot of women would tell this exact same story, and it would be a story of trauma and of how it was this horrific. It ain't nothing. Put a heel in his ass.

He'll love it. A heel on your shoe. Yeah, a heel from your shoes. Put it in his ass. They like all that shit. And is it the same in your mind as like stabbing the girls' eyes out with the stick? I don't think it was no different. It was just the ass.

Right. Well, yeah, I'm not talking about the actual. Just stick the motherfucker's shoe with his ass. Like that shit. You know, they like all kinds of freaky stuff. I'm just saying you're doing. You're doing it. doing something right there that a lot of people would consider pretty traumatic, but there's

just something about you that's built differently where it didn't bother you. It's sex. It's sex. Sex can always sell. Right. They don't know no matter how you do it. But you're a very young girl and you're putting a high heel in a white old man's ass in a sex dungeon.

This would qualify as trauma. Have you ever been a therapy? They said I didn't need it. Yeah. I think you might want to check again. They said I didn't need it out. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you seem like you're doing great regardless.

But I mean, I just, I think it's interesting that you have all these life experiences that to a lot of people would be very traumatic into you. You know what? When people would be talking about as traumatic and traumatizing and all that type of shit, they love, you know, they have some mental shit going on. You know, you can kind of look at motherfucking eyes and tell me there's some mental shit going on. I don't have a mental shit, do I? No. Okay. You look great.

Okay. Thank you. Well adjusted. Yeah. Also, you know, they'd be having mental shit going on. You know, they go to talk about childhood trauma. Just like when people get molested or raped, they hold on to that shit. I've been molested before.

I didn't hold on that shit. I knew it was wrong. You know what I said? It wasn't right. I knew it was wrong. We know right from wrong. They knew right from wrong. So I knew that's something I had to live with and keep going.

I'm not holding on the shit in my mind to bust my fucking mind. Make me crazy. I'm fucking chewing on pennies when I walk. I ain't doing that shit. I had crazy-ass shit. I don't let shit like that bother me out of them. I never did. I don't give a fuck.

If only everyone could have that sort of mentality. You would spare a lot of people from... Yeah, no, there's a lot of they hold on a lot of shit. And, you know, you know, and then fucking haters everywhere. You know, a lot of motherfuckers. A lot of bitches don't like me for real. Really? I don't give a fuck.

No, but when you say that, it makes me think of like, there's a dude I know who I watched the interview clip with him and he was talking about this time in his life where he was, had a bunch of gangsters. who wanted to beat his ass or kill him or whatever. Right. And he's talking about still going to therapy for it now. It's like 20, it's like 30 years ago. I'm like, I'm just thinking like, bro, like I got my ass beat many times.

Like I jumped. I never really had like somebody like shoot at me or anything like that. Right, right. I mean, I just don't hold on to that. Yeah, I ain't holding on. You know, if anything, I'm happy. Like, I made it through some rough shit. Well, I'm that type of person.

Either you love me or you hate me. I mean, I don't give a fuck out of you know what I'm saying I mean, if you hate me, that's on you You know what I'm saying? Because I'm loved by a lot, okay, by many, you know? I helped a lot of people, you know, that's one thing. The Robin Hood thing kicked in, you know, getting older. Yeah, I helped a lot of people.

People, even that watch me grow up, I went back and did some things for them, you know, the older women that was on our block, you know? It was a young lady when I was coming up named Gloria. She was a shard bitch, nice fucking big calette cars and big afro and tall with a thigh boots on. And I used to tell her all the time, Gloria would be just like you. She'd be like, no, no, no, no, you don't want to be like me.

I'd be like, why not? Oh, no, no, no. She don't want to be like me. I'm going to find out, Gloria was a high-class prostitute, you know, a call girl type thing. And she got high. I think she snorted the stuff, the book of sugar. But she was functional. She was a functional addict and very sharp girl and get her money.

And one day she told me her story that she was a prostitute. You know, she got money from me. And I was like, shit, that ain't going to stop me from being like you. I'm going to get me some too from these motherfuckers. Right. It's just immediately up. Right. So fuck it.

But so how do you end up getting yourself into the madam position? Like putting together a little crew of girls. Well, it's so easy. I mean, it's just like drugs. It don't take a rocket science to do it. Anybody can do it, you know? When you're the It Girl and everybody cloned you, they cling to you. It's like almost like they cloned, you know.

Maybe a lot of girls just like me. They like my charisma and my finesse. And a lot of the women, young girls, are hang around me. And I knew all the guys because I hustle with the guys. I'd rather hustle with guys than the girls anyway. I hustle with a lot of guys. So I know a lot of guys, the guys saw asking, you got some friends, you got some friends.

I got some whores, you know? I got a fucking horse. I don't know about no close friends that's going to do this. So I got to have some horse friends, right? Right. Would you compare it to like the pimp dynamic where a lot of these girls, they just need a strong figure? Well, yeah, some of the girls do.

They needed a pimp. You know, a lot of girls, they need a pimp. my uncles, I say my grandfather was a pimp. I ain't tell you that, though, there. My mother's father, yeah, he was a pimp. And you witnessed that when you were young to? Yeah, all the time, man, his kids, they was half pimps, I said. But my dad, my granddad was a pimp.

And my uncles, you know, rest in peace, lucky. Yeah, so I witnessed that coming up also. I thought it was wrong for them to whooped them women on streets like that. But I guess that's part of pimping, huh? How do you view that now? But I wouldn't do it. I didn't have to whip them. Those bitches, they want money.

So you ain't got to do that. Right. You know, so if a guy come in and, you know, I have a house full of girls, the guy come in and he'd be like, oh, I like her right there. She'd go in the room with him and his dick too big. She can't fuck them. She can't suck them. I can't do it, I can't do it.

50, I can't do it. So I call somebody in that can. How often would that happen? Like, you're really running in this gigantic dicks? My man, yeah, well, it was a few to come through. that. Only one can handle that is my girl Brenda. She's the rest in peace. That was my best friend. She was a white girl, my best friend, and she can handle. She tass those sticks down, baby. So to you, that's a real valuable attribute, huh? Yeah, well, she taught me a lot. I remember

being a younger, she was always older than me, and she was a dancer. She was a dancer, a stripper, real pretty. She, blue eyes, dance on her toes. You know, she's always, because she did modern dance coming up. She came from a good family. They're modern dance. Always dance on toes. So every time I have a baby, a baby shower, she would do the baby shower, because I had unisex baby showers at the time. Men and women come.

So I had the entertainment for the men. So she would dance for the men at my baby showers. An adult baby shower. I never even thought of that. Yeah, she would dance for the guys. She was very, very pretty. Brenda was my best friend. At the time, I was very young. And

she was funny because she used to tell us, tell me, on Thursdays, I had my own apartment when I was 18, and she said on Thursdays, she had this guy named Roberto going to come up. He comes up in a red limousine. So we go out there, and I'm like, what are we going to do? She was like, you're going to get $1,500. All you got to do is do this in this faith. And I don't take my shirt off and do it. And she gave him head.

And we go, I had my 15, she had her 3,000. And we did this every Thursday for like four years. I said the department manager who kind of knew what was going on. Yeah, like where is this madam work taking place? Like, do you just doing in apartments and shit? I just started that because she taught me that, you know? And she didn't want to take me to the club. And, you know, that was when I first started going to strip clubs.

And I had my shirt and she took it and she cut it and it fell out like a heart. And I was like, oh, shit, I'm on to something, you know. And then I took my show on the road. I got it. I moved out from my apartment. I was getting older, and I got me a house. And, you know, the girls would come over. And the men would call like, what's up?

What up, though, you know? And I'd be like, hey, y'all know what it is. Come on over. And the guys would pick the girls. I have them walk around lingerie, cute little lingerie, beautiful women. White, black, Spanish. I had all kinds of friends. friends, Arabic.

People would come in and request a white girl or their preferences. Yeah, they like Brenda because Brenda could take dick and she could swallow a dick. Wow. Yeah, they liked her a lot. She makes all the money. Jesus. Brent did up killing herself. Ain't that crazy? Yeah. I love her.

But so, like, the thing that stands out to me when you're saying these numbers is that if you were to go to any one of the host rolls around L.A., I'm pretty sure you're fucking a chick for like 50 bucks. Yeah, that was some bullshit. You know what?

Back then, it was $4,000 and $5,000 you would get from a player. Okay. Even the ones with the funky-ass feet, you know what I'm saying? We had a nigga that had a funky-ass feet. We put his shoes outside, washed his feet and some bleach and water and the motherfucker still's thing. But the bitch is still got their money. You know what I'm saying?

So now, nowadays, there's $40 and $50. A bitch to give a head for $10. They get hit right in the car and smoke a blunt. these days. You know, so you don't have to really give a bitch $50. You can give them nothing. You're pulled up in a nice car and smoke a blunt.

You know, so that's the way they're doing it now. And I think Plyce put the icing on the cake when he said, the pussy cost me $100. That was it. The pussy stock went down like this. Or in the words of Pimp C, bitch trying to fuck for $40 in the club. In a club.

You fucking up the game bitch, you get no love. I think that was it. I think that's what it is too. Was it Pimsy? Pimsy, yeah. Yeah, see what I'm saying? They fucked the game. We can get that big money back then.

And we're talking about a time period where the dollar might literally be worth like half of what is worth now. So it would be $10,000. It wasn't worth shit now. We'd get so much money back then. It was ridiculous. Just selling pussy. Just having holes. Me getting my cut.

Were those rates so high because of the fact that you were basically dealing with a lot of street dudes and a lot of dudes or rich off the crack game and whatever? Well, yeah. The guys that off the crap, I'm talking about the crap and the crack gang. Gambling was big in Detroit. That too. That gambling, the gambling and crack cocaine. That was big. That was real big, free basin.

That's what it started from, the free basin era. That's what I come up in, the free basin era. Right. And, you know, everybody was just, I think they was just so high. They didn't know what the fuck they was doing. Well, I can't say they didn't know what they was doing, but everybody was fucking. It was drug, sex, and rights. rock and roll.

Like, you know, everybody was doing it. I mean, part of the problem's got to be that so many women have figured out that they can sell pussy now, whereas at that time, there might have not been that many women sell pussy, right? Well, they called a sack chasing back then. Okay. Did you ever hear that? No.

Yeah, back in Detroit days, bitches be like, bitch, I'm going to sack chase. So we knew, bitch, you're going to sell some pussy, get this nigga sack. You know what I'm saying? You know, it was times where I would deal with a dude. and he had crack house, I would go over there and knock on the door and tell the workers. Someone's going to say,

give me the money. Well, no, he ain't call us or he ain't beepers, you know, the phone beepers. He ain't beepers and, and for us to call and not, I'm like, just give me the money. So I would go over there and rob my little dude

crack house for the money. With no gun, just because they'd give it to me. Wow. Yeah, they gave it to me, you know. The crack? I mean, back then, you can do that. Now, I don't think,

if you open up a crack house, you're going to get busted. You need rules. You mean, they're going to kill your ass. They'll do all kinds of bullshit. Right, yeah. Prime is it was used to be, huh? No, it's not.

It's not. It's crazy now. You know, everybody wants to sell something. I don't know. They sell them the fake pills and all the bullshit. You know, that's when I knew it was over with for me. When the heroin came from heroin to fentanyl. I'm like, I don't want to kill nobody.

Yeah, that's just the same. And then your real percassettes that people take with pain turned into Finanaw percass where everybody dying. Yeah. So, yeah, the key is as far. fucked up and crazy out here. That's why I advocate a lot for women and girls, uh, prison, because I have a 5-1-1-C now. You advocate for prison? Prison women, women and girls, you know, from this reform, prison reform.

And for young girls, at risk team, you know, I go and talk, speak to a lot of young girls, you know, because they think that all the glitter is golden, it's not, you know? It's not. I get in my DM all the time. I'd be 50. I want to be like, you. I'd be like, why? bitch, you would go through the storm trying to be like me. The best thing that they could do is try to learn from a lot of the mistakes. Yeah, that's all they can do. Come on and get in this DM and learn around. You can't be like me.

You know, all you're going to do, you're going to look over your shoulders all the time. You know what I'm saying? I can sleep comfortable now, you know, because it was all about the money. I ain't never owe a motherfucker shit. You know, everybody always talk about, oh, you sold drugs with this one. You did this one with that one. But, yeah, I took care of myself and my children. You know?

My kids had a private bus service picking them up and didn't know why. They just be like, we want to ride the cheese bus. We want to ride the DOT. Be like, hell, no. Why we can't ride to be normal like the other kids? Bitch, you ain't normal. You're not normal right now. So were you fully in the madam game as well as the drug game at the same time?

At the same time, yeah. Okay. Yeah. The drug game out wore the madam game, though, you know, because, I think the girls get older Me and I don't want no When they get older They don't want to know

You got to kind of constantly Yeah you got to keep picking and young And I don't want to be dealing with that Because times has changed her So I Dope was easy for me You know selling drugs It's easy for me

Right You know Because you already had all the connections and everything Yeah If a girl wanted If a guy called me up When I'm doing my other business Say hey I'm looking for a hot bitch

Tonight I know to call one You know How often are you encountering the cops throughout all this. Are they on your ass? Well, you know, I'll be in other people's house that get raided with their ass. Really?

You know, the motherfucker had drugs in their house, so I'd have been a few of them, like four or five of those raids. And were the cops real familiar with you? Well, yeah, they got familiar with me. Yeah, they always, why are you always here? Shit, I'm in the middle. I ain't telling them that, but, you know,

y'all figured out, you know what I'm saying? You're trying to act like you're just a regular hooker. Yeah, I'm just here. I'm just here. I'm partying, and I know the guys here. You know, the houses got raided a lot. And then, and went from that to my own shit. Right.

Getting rated. I think one of them was, look, I always tell my cousin all the time, I say, one of my cousins that was a cop at the time, right? He was like, drain on knocko. I said, I believe that motherfucker was with them coming in my house. Really? You already had a mask on and shit. I was looking at his ass like, motherfucker, I think you're my cousin.

Right. Because now, I never said nothing, but I always believe that. I always tell my cousins that. I think someone else was in the house when people rated. Well, now it feels like there's so many people snitching and telling that it really makes it difficult for anybody to get their criminal enterprise too far. Let me tell you this. The motherfuckers snitching the talent. And guess what?

All these motherfuckers is rude ha, ha, ha. And then guess what? They go to jail, come out, and they'll smack fives with the rest of the niggas in the street. So they made acceptable. Oh, you can tell. Yes, I write the tale. You need to snitch on me, so it's cool. That's the air they got now.

It's fucked up. I'm glad I wasn't born in this air because this air fucked up. If someone snitched during your era, what would be? Oh, God, they dick would be in the dirt. They're going to be in the dirt, dog. You already know what to happen. Right. Yeah, they ain't do that shit with us, but that shit now, mm-mm.

They slap fast. This is our right to tell. They always say, well, he didn't tell on me or she didn't tell on me. I'm not happy with that type of shit. I don't like to hear it. I don't like to be about, even though I was told on before a motherfucker rat me out too. Right. You know. And then they like to throw the rock

and hide their hand. These rats. One thing. They throw the rock and hide their motherfucker hand. Over the last couple of years in hip-hop, we've just got exposed to so many different levels of snitching, like from the super blatant, obvious shit to like more,

you know, like this, there's a rapper that we all fuck with and it's like they basically released footage of him getting interrogated by the cops and he had gotten his car shot up and somebody died and he described the car of who shot at him and it's like apparently that's like the only thing that happened is he just said he described the car he described the car he didn't tell the names i don't believe he didn't he just described the car and there's like a whole

youtube world world out here of people who are trying to use this to bury him well they will use it because you told the car so obviously that man might have something special on that car I'm fucking know that's him. Well, apparently they use the description of the car to prosecute this person who actually went to jail. Yeah, all that's some bullshit. All that's still snitching. Okay.

And if you're not going to say nothing, you're not going to say anything. Once the cops ask me my name and I tell them, that's it. Okay. You get me in their interrogation room. You're going to ask me the same shit over there over again. I don't know. I don't know. And then they didn't took your phone.

You know, they take your phone and run all your numbers off. Right. Do you know so-and-so? No. This ain't you going to. goddamn phone. I'd be like, oh, I didn't know. You know, you can play stupid, you know. Right. They know what they know. So when they come and get you, they know what they know. So why would you volunteer anything? He just volunteer all that to your lawyer.

So, you know, I still act stupid. I have 3,000 nickers' numbers in my phone, all I'm bawling. And I'm going to deny it to the day. Oh, no, I don't know that person. You got that motherfucker your phone? Okay. Well, I don't know what to tell you. Do you think that the phones and the surveillance cameras and everything, did that really just kind of fuck the game up too? Oh, yeah. And then everybody's so stupid these days. They think, oh, if I call you on FaceTime, they're not going to get it.

I'm like, I don't believe that. Right. You know, you have to really have a download some fucking app, you know, and there's some out here. They just don't know. I called one off to my daughter the other day. Yeah. And she was like, I ain't ever heard of that.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. FaceTime for everything. If me and you really wanted to establish a criminal enterprise, I'm pretty sure that there's apps and different types of phones and like there's a bunch of smart-ass shit that we could do if we wanted to communicate with each other that would allow the cops to steal, to seize this phone and still not be able to link me to whoever. Yeah, it's some shit. It would take a lot of work, but it's what you would do if you really didn't want to get caught. Yeah, it's some shit. Because right now, they're going to catch every fucking thing.

I don't know any drug dealers that go to that level and take those precautions. Once in a while I'll see a dude who I know sees themselves cold. And he'll be pulling out like a burner phone. And I'll be like, oh, he's actually taking the shit a little bit serious, whereas almost everybody I know is not. No, because of the game, the chain. The kids don't give a fuck. You know, kids walk around with AKs and Jocles and stuff down in clothes. Right.

With silencers and beans and switches and shit. You know, they don't give a fuck. No, in my era, they didn't do that type of shit. They were more making money. We need to make the money. These kids more on who got the tightest pants on. You know, the motherfucker killing their balls. I don't know the motherfucking pants fucking their balls up.

You know, it used to be so funny. It's a little black kid. She used to be like, I ain't wearing them tight-ass-de-ass-leaf ass. That's the white boy jeans. Now, look, rolls them reverse like a motherfucker. You see, all the black kids got the skinny tight pants on busting their balls. They balls hurting like a motherfucker. But it's funny, though, because I went to the mall the other day,

and I see all these young-ass white teenagers and they're wearing super baggy fucking jeans. Yeah, they shit hanging off their ass. You watch a skateboard video, and a lot of these dudes are super fashion obsessed. They got baggy-ass jeans. So it's only a matter of time until the dudes in the hood start to realize that this shit is back in style. And those pants are a million times better for hiding your gun or whatever the fuck you got on you. Yes, they're so stupid. So the rolls in reverse.

The white boys wearing the baggy pants and the black guys. are in a skinny busher ball jeans. Yeah, that's weird. How are this out? Yeah, it's weird. It's just... It's like they're chasing each other. They always have to be kind of like alternating.

So, you know, this is what they do. Right. I just say, erring for me. Are the rules for snitching different for women at all? Or is the same exact thing? It's the same. You know, I mean... What's different than the genders?

That's the only thing that's different. It's the genders. Because if you snitch, bitch, you get stitched. too. I mean, I don't, I just don't respect the snitching thing. I respect the shooter

at this point. Okay. I don't really care for the snitch thing. You know what I'm saying? Because I'd have been in jail a few times, Adam.

Win, lose a draw. If they would have said 50 years... Excuse me. If they would have said 50 years. You still want to talk. I can't.

Because I knew what I signed up for. You know, you got to go in this game knowing what you signed up for. Right. And what I signed up for is being starring the farm. You know what I'm saying?

Some of these motherfuckers got a PhD in that shit, you know, a player hate and agree. Right. You know, a lot of motherfuckers do. I think, you know. You know. Test of, like, if women snitching matters was when Meg the Stallion got on Instagram Live and said that end word shot me. Talking about Tori Lanes. Yeah.

I believe this. Tori shouldn't have hit. Everybody was at far there. I don't think Tori should have had the gun But Tori was trying to get his dick and pussy shit on You know He was trying to, I think he's trying to fuck everybody I think he was trying to even fuck Kylie

I think he was trying to fuck out He was touching on her He was trying to fuck out I think Kylie would give him some pussy though But she's seen these two bitches going at And she was like get the fuck out of here You know what I'm saying But do I believe he shot her

Well they said some report said She did get shot in the foot Some said it was Bullet fragments Yeah You know some said Oh that bitch you know it's glass on the foot They said it was glass.

They said it was glass in the bitch. She told the cops that at first and then changed the story. Yeah, so, you know, poor Meg. You know, she's kind of ruined because of them people love Tori Lane. Yeah. Tori Lane with that two-pay. Did you know he had a two-pay? No, he had a hair surgery on the front.

Oh, well, that's what Nicky said. Nick and I said a two-pay. She said you fucking... Tupe is crazy. The baby and rubbing on Tor. names toupee. I said a toupee. A toupee is a wig.

And I respect it. So he had a hair. But I don't think almost anyone does it. He had a hair transplant. Right. They take the hair follicles at the back of your head and then put them up front. And they fill it all out. I've been seeing that lately on the media.

Yeah. This is a hair transplant. So your shit is filling all in. Yeah. It's going to fill all the way in. Do you have to deal with going bald at any time? It could keep creeping back. That's why I'm about to get my third one.

Really? Three time. Yeah. Three time. After the third time. After the third time. back you're just going to go a skinhead ball. From my experience.

I think it'd be nice looking on you. You do my go ice it too. Yeah. I think if you was to go skinhead ball, you would be sexy. You're a motherfucker. You're already fine. You don't think it would give off Nazi vibes to the women of color that I'm dealing with? No, these women of color want some white dick.

But not like white devil dick, right? No, that ain't a devil dick. That's just cutting the hair off. You didn't put Nazi sign in your head. I mean, that would give off something else. If you put that sign in your head, the black woman would be like, Oh, he don't like black women. I'm going to write that down.

No swastika tattoos. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I definitely am not going to do that. Yeah, but, you know, our culture is really changing because you're seeing a lot of white and black together. I'm just trying to find me a white boy. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to date a white guy.

I'm not some good ones. Do you? Do you? Oh. I'm going to introduce you to him. Okay. He's a blood, too. Oh, yeah?

You'll love him. Oh, okay. That's what I want. That's what I've been looking for. I'm, you know, there aren't even a nice little white guy. We can kind of stuff and work some things out together. Big barrel of a man. Yeah, big barrel?

Yeah. He got a lot of money, huh? Yeah. Oh. Big-ass icy chain. He'll give you a run for your money. Oh, really? I like that.

Okay. Yeah, I'm on a challenge. I'm gonna tap you. Yeah, I swear to God. You think I'm bullshit now. You think I'm bullshit. I want me a nice white guy. I mean, I don't try everything, you know.

Besides white guys? No, I had white guys when I was younger. Yeah, but you're fucking them in the ass with a strap on and shit. At the madam house. You're not in love with them. Oh, okay, Adam, no, I didn't go that far. Oh, you never had to do that? I didn't have to do that.

Fuck him in the ass. Well, the one white guy when I was younger, I did everything to him. I healed in his ass. He liked that. Yeah. But right now, it's just like, I'm not saying, I didn't did the black thing. I was looking for a nice white guy. It's not nothing wrong with it.

Everybody's kind of intertwining with some things. I want me a nice white guy. Okay, so it might have been the girl we were talking about earlier, but there was a quote in another interview that I saw of you where you were talking about a girl who ended up killing yourself and you said that black dick will drive you crazy. That's the one I'm talking about. That was the girl we were talking about before, right?

What did you mean by that? You think there's something about it that really fucked her up in the head? Well, that's what she thought. I don't know. Sometimes I think the white girls get with the black guys and think this is supposed to be something amazing. You know, it's all shit be a myth. Like I always said, the white guys got this big black dick

and the black guys got the big black dicks and the white boys got the smart that's not true. Really? Or even they go on hands. Oh girl, he got he got big old foot. So he got a big dick. I said motherfucker's shoes all had a big foot. His dick was a motherfucker. His balls was like little raisins and his dick was like

a little thin pencil. But are you and these other women really consumed with who's got a big dick or not? I mean, we have talked about it. We don't care. We don't care. Yeah. It's just this is what goes on today. We didn't care about that.

But this is the mints that everybody put out, you know, this one here. And Brenda, she ended up killing herself

a black guy. And then, you know, she took a whole, you know, it was so crazy to me because she took a whole

bunch of sleeping peels that she got from the doctor. Like, every month, for like four months she would get

these sleeping pills, but she wouldn't take them until, I guess she was kind of, planning on premeditated murder herself, you know, with these fields. So she took all those fields all because of a man. And she had a little address book with my name in it highlighted in a little tape telling

her parents that 50, you understand. She'll talk to you and tell you about it. I'm like, why me? You know what I'm saying? How people cling to you. And she felt that comfortable. And we were friends for years that she think I can tell her parents something. But guess what?

I found out that that kind of mental illness went in the family because her brother killed herself. She killed herself and her father killed herself. So it was just leading up to it anyway. Damn, I never heard of it running in the family. Yeah, that ran in the family. Damn. That suicide. Yeah.

Brother killed itself. And I remember her talking about that. Like my brother killed this seven years ago, but you would never even think that you would do it. And she never told me about a father until she passed. The mother told me. It's like the ultimate moment of irrationality as a person. Because even getting locked up and living your life in jail is better than being dead, right?

Oh, yeah, I believe that. I believe it. But guess what? Now it's a flip side of this shit. The boys rather, they say it was a. incident with this guy that we all knew in Detroit a couple months ago, he ended up, he went to jail and did a very long time. And then he said, I'm not going back. So they killed itself.

A lot of people don't want to go back to jail at him. After two, three times, I mean, I even thought about like, shit, if I go back to jail, I don't want to go back to jail. I mean, had the thought crossed my mind that I will end it. Yeah, it half. But I know I just believe if you do that, you won't make it to happen for some reason. I believe that. But what was going on in your life that made you consider? Because too many times in prison, leaving my children.

And this time, I may not never come back. You know, after so many felonies, I got five. I got more than half of these niggins out here. I'm a habitual. So what was your longest bid? Oh, my longest bit. See, my longest bit was three years. See, I go in and out.

I'm always in and out two years here, three years here, a year here, teller here, a halfway house there type person. See, the feds wasn't really happy with me. They always said I'm always sneaking, creeping between the lines. Like, it's not that. It's just my lawyers, they do an all right job. You know, you don't really know how that court shit going to go for real. You know what I'm saying? But my lawyers would do a good job for me, you know, and the feds was always thinking I was slipping through the cracks.

or the judge. I never get going up to prison at one time when I, before I, the federal, I think it was 2004 or something. I think I was going to prison. I think I was getting three years.

And the judge stopped by lawyer. It was like, no, I'm not a septuiness. And threw it back. I'm not a septuiness. She's going to jail for 10 years. I'm giving her 10 years. He had to come out of his little, you know, bag with the paper saying,

I capped her at three years because you know your lawyer can cap you where the judge or anybody can go over that time and she looked at it and threw it back she said she's lucky because she wanted to give me 10 years because she's seen the activity by me escaping through

but so did you get caught up for the madam shit or was it started with the drug shit? It started with first it was fraud. Okay so you were doing fraud while you were also doing the madam shit and the drug shit. Yeah, I did everything, Adam. I did everything.

So it was fraud with the IRS. It was big. Oh, right. Okay, so this is the tax fraud that you talked about in the other interview. Yeah, the tax fraud. That was real big. And that's when I really started to think, damn, she's a professional because you're talking about giving your lawyer a retainer and explaining the tax fraud to him before you did it,

which is the total opposite of most people who commit the crime. Yeah. And then stumble into a lawyer afterwards. I end up at him. It was crazy because me and my friend, she's an Armenian girl, arrested. peace valve. She's dead. My wife is Armenian people. Oh, really? I love Armenian people. My daughter is half an

Armao, yeah. Oh, really? I love the Armenian community, the people. That's why we click it. Yeah. And shout out to Arman, Sheridan. He's like a nephew to me. Sharigigan. He's Armenian also, and he's

taking care of my house while I'm going on. He's like a nephew to me. He works out with me and everything. So I love Armenian people. He's my nephew. I love, I love you, Armin. But anyway, so me and Valerie Artikian. That's our last name, Artikian. Very Armenian-style Armenian.

Armenian. I love the Armenian names, you know. I named my daughter after one of my Armenian friends' sister, the middle name, Ani, Ani. I like that name. That's Armenian, too. Nice. And so me and my girlfriend, Valerie, we decide. I went to her one day and said, Valerie.

we're going to do a tech scam. She looked at me like, what? Because I knew she was good with numbers. She can really, she can bounce with those numbers, very, very smart with those numbers. She said, well, what are we going to do? I said, we're going to rob from the government. How are we going to do that? We're going to do this tech stuff.

You good with numbers. I'm going to mess of mind and putting things together. That's the way. So I said, but first, we got to go see an attorney. So I called the attorney up. He said $500 for consultation for both of us to come in to see him. So I paid it, $1,000. And I sat down and I told him what we're going to do.

He said, you're going to do what? And I told him, do you think it was a good idea? He was like, well, I can't tell you that, but that's very smart. How are you going to do this stuff? Where are you going to get this from? I said, don't worry about that. I'm going to get it. What was the gist of it?

You don't got to give me every last detail, but what was the basic idea of how you were going to make money off this? Well, basically, it's all about tax numbers, you know. Something like your EIN number, your taxpayers' numbers. Right. You know, back in the day, see, they don't have that no more. You can't be as swift as us back then. They had yellow pages. Remember those?

The white paper's yellow pages. Oh, yeah. And the yellow pages used to have all the business tax ID numbers on them. Remember? Really? If you go in an old, yes. Yellow pages right now, you may see an old building from

1972 with their tax fares ID number on there. They let them know they was licensed. So that's the way the yellow pages used to read. And I used to always read yellow pages. Right. I used to always look through that and it would always be the abortion clinics would be at the very, very front.

That's just one thing I noticed when I was young. It's like, damn, the abortion clinic got the first page. Get the motherfucking kids out of here. Yeah. Well, because it's alphabetical. Yes. A, B.

Yeah. Or addiction. Maybe if there was an Ardvark story. Or A. Addiction. You always find that type of thing. But that's AD. That would be afterwards.

Afterwards, yeah. But so you stood to make a lot of money on this. But you said that there was like 200 people involved? Yeah. See, what happens is, and that income tax game, what we were doing was we were do a family of taxes. And then they would bring someone. and bring someone and bring someone, and everybody's getting paid.

Every time they cast a check, they had to get me and Valerie the money, and they kept whatever. You know, yeah, we were, we probably were getting more money than, you know, it wasn't a half thing. You know, we will probably get the half, and it would probably get a little piece or something like that.

Well, however it was, we made a lot of money, probably like $70,000, $80,000 a day. Jesus. And how'd you get caught? Well, the typical thing, somebody told, you know. One of the girls went in there to pick up her check, her and her brother, they both told. Yeah, they know who they is.

They both told. So they both went in, one picked up her check, and she ended up telling on us, you know. Me and Valerie, she told on us. And then she, her brother ended up telling on us. too. So I guess everybody started like, oh shit, she told, he told, so we can tell, so all them put it on us. The contagion.

Yeah, they all put it on us. And I had to blame, you have to blame the offense, too, because they would go to all the people and say, with our picture, do you know them? You know, and they were like, yeah, we know them. They did income text. You did income text. They'd be like, you know, put it on us.

You know, that's how they do. Knowing how bad the repercussions ended up being, would you have not done it? hell no hell no shit yeah yeah I'm gonna do it yeah it's just like

other shit I was it had the PPPs and the eddies motherfuckers did everything that's how people do every crime you could basically consider like how much you're gonna benefit from it slash what the odds

of you getting caught are slash what the average amount of time that you're gonna do or money you're gonna have to spend on the case would be yeah well I had I knew let me tell you Adam When I went to my lawyer, I knew what I was going to do.

I planned it. I told him what I was going to do. He told me it may not come now. It may be six months. It may be a year. It may be five years. It may be 10 years. But it's coming.

So I said, well, what would you take for the case? A case like that that's going to be this big. He said, give me $35,000 now. So that's what I did. I came back and gave him that money. So he had that money. and if it needed more doing a case, he would have told me, you know.

So two years later, me and her got superseded and indicted. And we got indicted, you know, of course, we already knew who was talking and who was telling, you know. I went to him and, you know, he called me and said, you know, they got you. I was like, okay. And then hit the papers and everything. I was like, okay, come on down.

And we'll go from there. And that's what I did. At this time in Detroit, was there already a lot of scamming culture? Yeah, it was culture of scamming. Everybody dealt everything, you know. That's just Detroit. We're going to do it all. Because Detroit.

We burn shit out. The younger generation of rappers and shit in Detroit, like, they basically kind of ushered in, like, and created a whole genre called scammer. Yeah, we're scammers. Yeah, the scammers. Yeah, Detroit, yeah, this is what we do. There's a lot of, like, fetishization of scammers, too. Like, the city girls were talking about,

fucking on our rich ass scamming ass. Nika. Nika. Fucking on a rich ass scamming ass, nigga. Right, which to me kind of gives young girls a weird worldview, right? Yeah, those young scammers out here, they get real good money. See, back in our time, we're looking over our shoulders because it's the drug game, right? Now it's the scammers. They don't have to do enough but pop a computer open push one button.

They get all the money. They rich as fuck. I could never be a drug dealer knowing what I know now. as an adult because even if you're just a Coke dealer, oh, I got 20 dudes in my phone that are buying coke off me and I got to think about the fact that if any of them get pulled over and searched and they find that shit on them, the first thing they're going to say is here's the guy who sells it to me. Yeah.

I just can't imagine taking on that risk. But the scamming thing, you can neutralize a lot of the risk because it's kind of like just you making purchases or whatever. Yeah. You making purchases or you ordering shit. Yeah. Ordering shit to the house there. But it's easier for them.

It's easier for the scammers. Less people involved. If you want to do a crime and get away with it, you do it by yourself. You do it by yourself. You know, I got this distinctive voice, right? This voice is crazy. I love it. It's sultry.

Yeah. So, you know, a lot of times I would have to be quiet because I'll be picked out and line up with this voice. Oh, yeah, it's that bitch, big, you know, I got that raspy and it can be heavy. You know, I can do a heavy voice. You know what I'm saying? It's distinctive. So I, most of times in crime, I kind of, I'm quiet. Don't look like it's good, though.

Jeez. Get in, get out. That's what the fifth side slide through shit. Yeah. I'm always sliding to. Definitely. You know, I was in jail with Martha Stewart, too. I know.

She was funny. How much of a relationship did you manage to form? Well, when she came in, you know, when I came in, I'm just 50. You know, 50 here, okay, when that bitch came in, you know, people greet you with stuff. Right. I maybe had a bag or two, you know, because you don't have things shower, shoes and jails and stuff. Right.

You know, I have a little something here because I got people that's already there. She had Martha came in and she had a fucking lying out the door. They had so much shit they was giving this bitch. Even the pohoes was giving her shit. What's a poho? A pooh. What's that? A poohoh.

Pooh. Yeah. Oh, poor horse. Sorry. Adam, you're slipping on me now. I know. I seem like I know what's going on, right? So you just hit a little brick wall.

All the poll holes was giving her shit Is there no PC in women's prison? PC Protective custody We hear about it a lot with the rappers and shit But does that exist for the women? They have it You know

You'd think if anybody would go It would be Martha Stewart, right? Martha Stewart was a gangster She wasn't scared of nobody Really? Them D.C. bitches come through there Mount Stewart was not scared, okay? She was about to fuck Bernie up

We always talk about this. Me and my girls are laugh like a motherfucker. She's going to fuck this bitch out from D.C. Really? She's going to fuck Bernie ass out. You saw Martha Stewart on the verge of getting in a fight. Yeah, she was arguing with Bernie. She'll be Bernie's ass.

Wow, that's so hard for me. She wasn't a scary bitch. No, she was nosy as fuck. Really? I know why she was nosy because she wanted to write a book on her prison and do prison cookbooks and shit. Did she actually do that? Yeah, she did a prison cookbook.

Oh, wow. I was the best in cooking in that, motherfucker. But Martha, she did that thing. Did you see in her personality what made her so successful on the outside, like through seeing the way that she dealt with people inside? Well, she asked a lot of questions. That's for sure. You know, a lot of motherfuckers that, you know, they want it.

They're going to ask, you know, what you ain't here for? What the fuck you ain't here for? You know what did you do? You know, she walked around with her cool glasses on. And we stole out the kitchen that bitch stole, too. That motherfucker put an egg in their tities and get caught. You have to go down there. She put everything.

What's you going to do with one egg? She always gets caught, though. What are you going to do with an egg? You go in a cook in the microwave. Oh, okay. You know, she cooked. She had these things. We used to kick called crab apples on the grounds, right?

They were like, this shit, all these flas and different crazy bugs up in Virginia. You know, they said camp cupcake. That's what they call all these bugs and all these crap apples stuff. We didn't know what it was. Marcia was like, those are crap apples. Well, what is those? We cook with those. Don't kick them.

She'd get them. and took him in and wash them off and came back with some kind of jelly jelly apple pie type thing. Yeah, she made something out of. Growing up, there would be a lot of crab apples like in my neighborhood. See, I never,

kids would pick them up and whip them at each other and fuck you up. See, I guess in the city, we didn't have that in the city. Growing up, I didn't know what it was because I'm in prison in Virginia. So, and I didn't know artists in West Virginia. I did not know that a crab apple

what that was. We kick them. What's the shit I. out of here. I never would have thought you cook with them, although I guess, she cooked with them. You cook with like

mushy-ass bananas and apples. She knows how to cook with it. She made something out of them. I remember that. Wow. Yeah, she was cool, though. She was all right. So,

when did you get out of your last imprisonment? Just when I thought I was done, 2011, the feds rushed my house. I was going to court, me and my son, me and my older son,

we was in court together. It's so embarrassing. You know, when they say stuff, and now, this is state court now. See, I was used to go in the federal court. Everything's calm, smooth. You're in state court, everybody's there. Ooh, every time they say something, you know.

So me and my son was going to court together. I'm like, shit, I'm already been in trouble three, four, five times, you know, whatever. Even as a young, you know, young girl, teen girl. you know, going to jail type of shit, going to precinct. So I didn't want to let my son go to prison. So I'm like, I'm going to take this and take it all, you know. And I ended up going in prison.

My daughter was graduating that year May, 2013. And I asked them, could I stay out just for her prime? And the prosecutor went in on me, like, see, that's what I mean. She always do this. She always wanted to say, and I do this. I want to do that. She just needs to go to jail. I was like, listen here, I'm not, I watch my other children graduate.

I want to see my daughter, my only girl, graduate. All I'm just saying is let me stay out this weekend. I turn myself in on Monday. And she went off, you know, the prosecutor went off about me, you know, reading. She don't really know me, but, you know, you're reading so many different files and learning my personality. She thinks I'm just trying to escape through something, you know. She's not trying to go, you know, and that's a lie. I just wanted to see you off the prom and I couldn't.

So I had to go turn myself in. And that's what I did. And I came home, uh, 2015. Okay. So 15 was my last, only last bit. And so you're, you're locked up that time thinking about how you're going to change your life when you get out? Oh, yeah.

I was in there because I was in the hole. I was fighting all kinds of shit. That state shit is a different kind of shit. I knew I wouldn't going back to jail deal with all these motherfucking bitches. You're saying the state's worse than the face. Oh, God. Damn. Them bitches, and there's horrible.

Really? You got, I mean, I don't understand. It's just, you know, the state itself is just poor. The food says on the bag's not consumed for humans. Well, who is it for? Really? Yeah, everybody knows that.

Anybody have been in a state to tell you. Not consumed for humans. Not consumption for humans, but what is it for? The water is discolor. You can't drink the water. You shower with the water. Your body is peeling. You know, it was fucked up.

State is fucked up. They don't have no food, no money, nothing. And so you were just like, I'm not going to be. Yeah, you fucking complain. See, I had boxes coming in. You know, I have money. So I don't drink coffee, so I will buy five, ten packs of coffee. Just for the older women that's there that love to drink the coffee,

I will give them coffee so they can leave me to fuck alone. Because there's a lot of bag in and shit, you know? They ain't got no money coming in and shit type thing. I don't know why. But the state ain't giving up shit. believe it. And you're used to a certain quality of life. Yeah, yeah. You're in there dealing with a lot of people

that are damn near, like, out the trailer park. Yeah, it was a lot of that, a lot of trailer part. It was black hillbillies, white hill billies. It was just trash. It was a lot of trash in that motherfucker. You know, and everybody just and then, you know what's so crazy. They put, instead of getting

a place for mental illness to go to, they put them in here. But they like me. All the mental people, they like me. They used to call me. No, I'm supposed to, I'm going to show real shit. The officers used to call me over to Emmett and be like, can y'all tell 50 come over here?

Because they didn't want the crazy people like to talk to me. I used to be like, now, what are you doing today? Why do you have feces all over the wall and all over your bed? She's because I don't like them 50. I'd be like, okay, they gave me some hash, masks, hazards stuff. And I helped her get it cleaned up. And I said, we're going to put powder on your, bed, I'm going to take you to the shower, you know. So I would get them coffee. They let me do that

with them. All the crazy people like them. My instinct, if I was locked up and there was a crazy person smearing feces on the wall would be to just avoid them and not have anything to do with this. No, no. I won't know because the lady liked me. I don't know why she took a liking to me. She would like, they got things called a kite to fill out for things that you want. She may need medicine or anything. So she will let nobody do it. They would call me out the room to do it for. write a kite out and then I would talk to her, what's going on the day with you? You know, but yeah, she had, one day she had pissed feet.

They had throwing on the guards. So they were like, can you, can you get her? And I'd be knock on the door like, war, can I come in? Yes, you can come in 50? I'd be like, okay, now I got to get ass mask, you know, put that shit on and bring me the red hazard bag. You ever see somebody use a Glock, dokey? What's that?

It's where they take like a plastic water bottle and fill it with pissing shit. And then you run up on somebody and you're like, give me your cookies. Are you about to get hit with this? Oh, hell no. No? I ain't saying that. I have a new development. They just throw it on the guards.

Yeah. They have to sometimes cut their toilets off, especially over in the hole. You know, they got the Bam Bam Ward and then they got this side. So I'll be peeking out seeing all the bullshit on the Bam Bam Bam Wall. Was it hard for you to change your life and go clean? When I got there, yeah, it was kind of hard. I knew I had to You know

I knew I had to because I was getting In way more fights I was in a whole like 40 days Is that terrible mentally? That's fucking horrible It was worried back there You'll lose your,

you actually literally lose your mind You know some people come on for prison You'd be like Damn Jerry ain't the same Yeah Jerry fucked up He'd have been in that hole Almost of his time

It is crazy It is worried No I've had that I had that Yeah I have did Like I thought I was gonna do 15 days I was good with it and then when I went to see the board and they

noticed that I had flat time they ADM me where I couldn't have no get no phone calls I couldn't get the commissary back there you know I just had to stay back there and bring them what they had to bring me. So I wouldn't eat the food I just said give me the water and the juice you know a little juice or

whatever but you're just not eating no I'm eating back there I'm eating that shit I'm used to having my own conversary they said I couldn't have it so I wouldn't eat nothing so it was like you got to eat something I'm like, nope, I ain't this shit. And then they say you got to go out for one hour a day, right? They put in your ass in a monkey cage.

They look like a monkey cage, dog cage. So I ain't going in this shit. And do what? Standing there for a hour? I feel like you're just fighting for a little bit of sunlight. No, I don't want that shit. I don't care about. I ain't want that shit.

Then you go to the, let me tell you, that whole ain't no joke. You go to a goddamn bathroom and just shower, because you only can shower like, I think, three times a week. And look, that's so unlady. like for a woman, you know. And you have to shackle your hands and feet and bag back up, and they can put the cuffs on you, the shackles on your feet and hands,

and then walk you to the shower. I said, yeah, like I committed a goddamn murder. Right. Walk you to the shower. You got three minutes to shower. The water hot as hell and it's in some kind of cage. Three minutes. Three minutes.

You got a shower like a motherfucker. So just imagine the white girls like to wash their hair every day. So they got three minutes to wash their hair shower. You ain't washing some long-ass hair. Yeah, long-ass-hap. I've timed myself. Damn. And I can't shower any less than like maybe four and a half minutes.

Yeah. That's about it. Take three minutes and you're out. As just being black women, I shit be braided down. We were looking like, you know, we've been to set it off. Wow. So I shit braided down. We didn't really care.

We just wanted to get shower, you know. So what would you do to, like, make sure that you weren't going to go back when you got out this time? Well, I obtained, you know, I do a podcast. I have a podcast. I did at Vent Radio. I'm no longer with Vent Radio now. Maybe I'm going to fuck with you. Oh, I love that idea.

You moved to California? Probably, the price was right. You know what? Why you haven't never did anything like the breakfast club type thing where you Skype at me in from another podcast? We do a little bit of that, but I feel like this, the energy of being face-to-face is like the whole thing that they are into. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

But you know what? I like this little podcast area where me and Trick Trick Trick did one time. We did struggle of the streets. Me, him and Judge Mathis. And it was this little place downtown Detroit where we just, we talked shit just like this. It was big window.

People were standing outside looking in. It was cool, yeah. Shut on Trick Trick Trick. You got a good relationship with him? Yes, I love Trick Trick Trick. He's so gangster for Detroit. He is, huh? But he gets the shit together.

He does the shit right. You know, when he said, no, fly. on he means that right that's you know he's not a fake ass motherfucker now he go he real real he's he's cold with it too that was his uh legacy who was it rick ross that he like forbid to come to detroit over not checking in uh trick trick-ddaddy is that his name fat daddy what's the motherfucker night i don't know trick daddy was tina shrina whatever no what's that girl name trina trina from florina yeah yeah i remember trina and trick daddy oh yeah he trick daddy and then trick trick trick trick yeah trick trick trick trick yeah trick trick trick trick trick trick yeah trick

Trick trick put Trick Daddy out of Detroit Beat his ass on stage Remember? Right, right, okay. Remember? Yeah, I need to come on this show It's been a while. And that was around the time the M&M did music.

Yeah, it was around the time. Yeah, so Yeah, so Trick trick is all right with me. When you were locked up, though, would you say that you ended up basically being kind of like the alpha male of

the women's prison? It's hard for me to imagine a chick with more energy than you. Well, when I got, see, in federal, everybody is just everybody. But that state shit, you have to be more to have a male than there. So, because everybody wants to take position. You know, I'm the big boss. I've been here 20 years.

What you're here for? I murdered my mom. I'm like, oh, okay, bitch, well, you should be here for 20 years. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Bitch don't make you the boss. Right. You know, so I just had to go in there, you know, I'm my regular.

myself, people knew me when I was coming, they knew. You know, that's one thing that prison, get it first. Oh, that bitch 50 fin to hit grounds. So when I even came, some of the guards was like, they've been waiting on you for what? You know what I'm saying? So I get there and you got the big boss bitches want to be bosses and then you find out a month later, they really not. You know what I'm saying?

They're just there doing a lot of time and talking and bullying the other bitches, but you can't bully me. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of basically took over the first. Plus, I had guards worked there that was my friend from the streets. You know, so I had a lot of, you know, leeway. Right. But out of the guards.

And they used to tell on me, too, yeah, that 50 bitch get to eat a hamburger. So they would fug with you, but then they would also kind of rat on you as well? Yeah, yeah, they were sneak and send those little kites under the consular doors. Like, why do she get to eat good? She have french fries. She have hamburgers. And she cooked, you know, I'm like, bitch, you really tell her. I can really make your hamburger.

I have people bringing me hamburger. You know, I can make hamburgers and shit. Like a McDonald's Burger King type shit? No, I like to make my own. They bring me my onions and hamburger. I do it in a microwave. Oh, wow. You know, so.

So you can just cook everything in a microwave, basically? Yeah, I did it all. Fried rice out of with Coca-Cola, you know, all that type of stuff. Fried rice with Coca-Cola? Yeah. I mix it in there. I mix it in there. And it tastes just like fried rice.

Then, you know, from the kitchen, from the kitchen, the girls will bring, like, my onions and broccoli and stuff like that, you know? I cooked in there. Look, I used to cook so much in the federal to the guards be like, hey, 50, I'd be like, what? Is that you? I'm like, is that me what? They know I cook.

I said, why you say it's me? They say, because you make it smell like home. I had a couple guards I would cook for up in there. They'll let them eat more lunch. So you're telling me that you're so committed to living life on the straight and narrow that there's no potential criminal plot that could tempt you back into the...

Well, I'm not saying it don't come in my way. motherfucker man, I have them. Damn, I'm human. Them chips getting low bitch, stick of all cats shit. I know I can't sell them on my pussy. I'm doing old for the pussy deal. They'll own it.

You could probably administer it, right? Yeah, I can administer it. But, yeah, the thought comes across my hair. Yeah, I mean, you know, all this easy money these motherfucking making. I mean, I can get me something. Yeah, the thought comes across, you know. Start getting the little broke chips go down. You're thinking what you got to do next, you know?

Right. So it is what it is, yeah. For the most part, I've been doing pretty good. Right. You're going to say that. Okay? Because I'm not the bitch that's going to say, oh, I ain't never doing that again. I don't know what I might do.

Right. I'm not fucking saying I'm never going to do it. Yeah. I mean, I might do, yeah, I don't know what might bring. I might have to pick up a bag of dope again. I don't know. Never say never. Never.

I'm not going to be the one. I said never. I ain't never come back this federal bill and bam, I was it again. I ain't coming. This is my last time. I kept going to fuck back, you know. So I can't never say that, you know, because the thought comes across my mind. Right.

You know, yeah, shit. Chips get a little bitch stinking all kinds of shit. I guess, like, the goal would be if you really needed to do something, get some money, and then don't make it a consistent part of your life. Right. Because you could do it one time. You just probably shouldn't do it every day for many years in a row, right? Sometimes you think, damn, if I get this one more lick, I'm good.

Right. And I can do that and hit it. Okay, you know, but there's something that I want to sit there and do every day, like you said. No, I wouldn't do it. Right. But if the chips get low at him, I ain't going to, I'm not going to sit here in front with the bullshit, you know? Yeah, it's in you. And I ain't got no relationship where I can say with a male, where I can say, oh, yeah, baby, yeah, give me $100,000.

You know, like, bitch beat it. I feel like those guys are out there waiting for you. Yeah, I don't know. Do you stay in Detroit still to this day? Yeah, I'm in Detroit. My father passed a couple years now. It's like two years. My mom is still there.

So I still kind of feel obligated, you know, because we take care of our parents, you know what I'm saying? We be near our mom, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't like I won't. I will, if the opportunity to suppress for me to go another place and I got a different job or I'm doing something different, I will move. And I'll go back and forth, you know, because my parent is there. That's a conversation we always end up having in podcasts and shit

It's just like there'll be rappers who blow up in a place like Detroit or Chicago And then they kind of like refuse to leave And then a lot of times they end up getting killed Getting killed ain't that crazy and they should leave I said the rappers once they make it big they should leave Not even Detroit Atlanta wherever they're from they should leave their hometown You know that's the rappers thing but a drug dealer you can pretty much place anywhere you know, we'll fit in anywhere, you know, so

I don't glorify it. Like, people be like, Gerselda, the godmother, that shit was trash. Did you see that shit? My girl watched it and I was kind of angry. It was just more of a crackhead. They made her more of a fucking crackhead. Really?

Remember her friend was like, gave her something. She said, who, what is this? The friend said, clack. And it was like, crack. And then she started liking it. So it was more of, I'm a gangster killer love crack. So, you know, all of us bitches love Gazelder.

We're a godmother. We love Gazelder. I remember when she was in Dublin, I had a friend in Dublin, was going to introduce us, okay, years ago. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to hook up with this lady. Never hooked up with her. She came home. Long story shirt.

She ended up getting killed. So that blew my chances for thinking I was going to get a bad. But then after seeing this movie, I said the bitch was a killer crackhead. We are jumping up here in for this woman and she wasn't shit. You got these bitches got, they page and they picture and got Gazella on the side, like they really, the blonde old bitch. But you want to be the bitch. You go right ahead.

I change my motherfuckin mind. But I mean. I change my motherfucker man. When you're someone who's like really authentically that and then there's other people who get famous or get the notoriety or whatever and then at a certain point you're able to kind of see, and who knows, because the movie might have made her seem like something she wasn't, right? Or maybe it was close to the reality.

Her family. Her family. Okay. Get this coke now. Her family got mad. Her family got really pissed. I saw that that they're going to sue them or some shit. They're getting the money. Yeah. They getting the fucking money. They said, and Sophia Vergara, is she beautiful? She's a beautiful

lady. They made it like, oh, they made Sophia look so ugly like my mom wasn't as ugly. She wasn't ugly like that But in her younger years She was nice She was all right looking But I don't think it was to the family

Like her And they soon wanted to get the money Because they made it like Oh she was a drug guy But they said everybody in Colombia That's the thing They did drugs That was their thing

You know Right So they just made her Pain at the picture The family thing Real bad of her Right I think Sophia did a good job

I think she really played her What she is She was fucking more More of a crackhead Killing I think she was paranoid about her friends, her man. Everybody was, she felt like everybody was out to get her.

She would smoke a cigarette and write to godmother in the sky. You know, I just, I ain't that bitch. A lot of these old movies, she might have more money to me, but I ain't that bitch. These movies like romanticize the crack era and the cocaine era, but when we think about what people are actually like when they're doing a shitload of coke all the time, it's not anything like cool or admirable. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

And I think that was part of the movie. I think that Beardsman came in a family because they really showed what she was. She was a controlling crackhead. It is what it is, you know. And she controlled the mob people, you know. But I like that part of her. She had Ascabar and all of them different people. She had all those people scared of her back then, you know, because they know she meant business.

That's the part I liked about Griselda. but all this crackhead shit and you kill him for nothing you're paranoid you think your friend got out to get you think your man trying to fuck this bitch over here and if he look over there that bitch to the point he left

so now so all you bitches that want to be like or Zelda goodbye we have a dude who we have a dude who is on this podcast sometimes who's like a co-host named Sharp who's been with us for a few years

yeah I sing him I say him he comes from the pimping world and he's the kind of guy where if a girl calls him a bitch it's like the air gets sucked out of the room they're about to scrap down here. Yeah, they got in the scrap. I notice you basically use bitch all the time.

When you're talking about talking to dudes, have you ever ran into any issues with that? Well, I don't really call dudes bitches. You know, I know does it fine? If you're a bitch, now you're a bitch. You know what I'm saying? I don't really call me and bitches. You know, I don't, I don't,

always like a man to lead I don't want to call you a bitch unless you really acting like a bitch right you know what I'm saying now if you're acting like a bitch I'm gonna call you a bitch you know I'm saying so if I are you acting like a bitch and you know you

acting like a bitch and I called you a bitch and you want to scrap did I don't have a problem of fighting me and Adam I don't have the problem with doing it so I see sharp yeah his attitude he's kind of aggressive type I am too I'm very aggressive You think you'd get along with him?

Yeah I think he he would get along with me. Yeah, I think he would. Maybe we could bridge that gap one day. Yeah, I think Chopper would be all right. You know, I think he kind of, the air, like, he's younger, but I watch him. He got kind of an old soul to him. He used to win, like, the players ball.

Players ball, yeah, I won it, too. You won it? Yeah, I won it. Really? Yeah, I won it with Snoop Dog and, what's his name, Don Juan. They was here years and years ago in Detroit. I don't have to break out some old pictures one day and send them to you

Well, you know, I had some of my holes come in And I won first place Detroit, second place Chicago Really? Yeah, pimps up holes down, yeah Themps was in all made bags and roads versus all white lined up Downtown Grandin one, the only person I ever interviewed

Who started smoking a blunt through their nostril Mid podcast That's strong And didn't say shit, just did it Oh, that's strong That didn't say shit, huh? I still thinking about it all the time. God damn, yeah, that's something.

You imagine just taking a full hit through your nose? Oh, no, I can't do anything. I don't do putting nothing up my nose, no drugs, no, none of that. I just really start smoking weed. It's groovy. How's that going? I love it. I like it.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't do a lot of it. I still use the papers. I ain't really. You know, I might hit a little blunt here and there. But, yeah, I like to smoke a little bit. It mellows me out, you know? Same.

I don't know how I would go to bed. I don't drink the liquor, no. I drink the champagne. pain of wine, but I don't really drink the liquor thing tomorrow. I think that's what my weight loss. A lot of it's coming from, too. A lot of people, 50 you, low sweet, you know, first thing, motherfuck thing, it's a bit sick. It's a bit sick.

I got to give it to you. Those are probably the most complex, fancy glasses I've ever seen on this podcast. Oh, really? And there's been some competition. We've had some wild sunglasses. Yeah, these are Dior's. I mean, Christian Dior. Yeah, they're Dior.

Are you sure they're not DL's? Ingabana because it kind of looks like a D and a G. They are. They do Shigabana. Right. Don't shit. I'm telling Krishna, do you are? The fuck I'm going through.

I think it's the weed I smoke. And I got a lot of the pair of these. I got these. I got the ones with the diamonds on them. Yeah, they don't shangabana. I wear so many different glasses. I got a thousand pairs of glasses. You still go hard with the drip.

Oh, yeah. I'm still hard. I'm still hard. There ain't no change in me. Right. You know, even though, if I'm a po-ho. I'm still going to go hard with a pooh. Do you see yourself?

I don't go hard with my drip. You see yourself ending up in a relationship and riding that out into your old age? Or do you think that you're kind of like a solo type? Well, if I find a right guy. You've had a lot of time to look. No, you got me a date. I do. Yes.

Yes, I do. We'll see how that go. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? I'll ride it out. I'm one. I'm a rider. I ride it out.

Long as they want to ride with me, I ride it out. Right. We can be a team. I love it, man. I like team. I like teamwork. Teamwork will make the dream work. I like the big 50 energy, though, for sure.

As soon as I started seeing you, I was like, man, I got to talk to her. I love it. Everybody would be tripping like, oh, that bitch is. And they sound like, you know, my voice, like, do my voice sound deep to you? It's kind of deep. Reasonably. So, not, not any crazy. You know what fuck would be on them comments.

Yeah, that bitch sounds like a man. Oh, that bitch a nigger. Because there's so much trans stuff in the media. Yeah, that's the whole world. Oh, that bitch sounds like a man. You all sure that bitch. a girl, y'all sure it ain't a man. I'd be like, bitch, let me tell you y'all something.

I don't look like a man, but I can fight like one. I don't tell you that one. I know a lot of trans people and the boobs don't look like that. Yeah, no, they don't got these kinds. They ain't got them kind. But they'll say, they'd listen to the voice, but mostly it'd be kids on that little comments. I don't really care about it.

I laugh, keep going. No, I think they're going to love you after this for sure. Yeah, it's okay, though. And shout out to my girl, Hellcat, for lining it up. Yeah, she winded it up. Yeah, Hellcat's all right for me. Yeah, Hellcat. All right with me. She's cool, yeah.

Yeah, she cool. I like her. She got the, how many people you got working in here? Maybe like eight on an average day, something like that. And then we got a store on Melrose too. So Sharp do a podcast too, right? Yeah, okay. So you got a whole big thing, huh?

Yeah, we go. More movement. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I like that. Maybe I get in on it, like I said. Yeah. For sure. Let's talk about it.

I appreciate you coming through, honestly. Legendary. I love the energy. I love the game that was spit here. Yes. What is that on? side of your face. Is that a tear drop? It's an upside down cross. Oh, oh, okay.

Yeah. I thought it was a tear job. I didn't say, how many bodies you got have? No, no. I don't document my bodies on my face. I keep a real, yeah, that's really nice. So it's an upside down. Why upside down? You know, I'm a devil worshiper. Oh, no, you're not. No, but I'll believe God to. You don't even look like that. You don't look like you. I can kind of

map out the double person. No, no, I don't believe in the devil. I just don't believe in God. It's just something you wanted to do. Yeah, yeah. This is old school. Anyway, anyway. All the tattoos, you collect them over the years, and then 10, 20 years later, you're like, why don't we got that? I don't know. Right, right, right. That's a little weird.

Your teeth is nice. And then I'm stuck explaining. Those are your teeth? Yeah. Oh, okay. Nice teeth. Bryce is in eighth grade. Oh, okay.

Braces did you some good, huh? They didn't do me too well. Really? Yeah, I had to go to Columbia. Oh, okay. A lot of people tell me my teeth again. I had nice tea. They are nice, but I wanted them.

Even Mario, even he said it, like, why are you getting your teeth done? I just want to brighter, you know. Like nowadays, if you don't have fake teeth, it's like people are looking at you like your teeth are fucked up. Yeah, look at that. Because anything less than the perfect veneers is kind of, yeah, yeah. No, I don't look at it like that. You know what I mean?

Because you can still look at good teeth. It's just teeth always going to have that little yellow tent. It's just going to have that. I mean, we eat food every day. Even with these, if you drink coffee and tea, stuff like that, yeah, it's going to stain. It's going to do these teeth the same. You know what I do now in my old age is that I go to the dentist every three months.

Oh, okay. No, I love it. I just love the feeling of having clean teeth. But then they're also a little yellow, so I might have to interject with the teeth whitening as well. Right. I go every six. Yeah, I do. I go every six.

I was on that for most of my life. So you're like every three months. I just started to realize, you know what? I go to the dentist. It's right down the street. Yeah, you got 20 minutes, 45 minutes, whatever. Real good teeth. I just love that feeling of being able to spit through your bottom teeth.

You know what I'm talking about? Adam, you're something else. A little freaky. A little bad. Yeah, Adam spit through the teeth. Oh, shit. All right, Big 50. I appreciate you so much.

Thank you for real. Yes, I thank you. Appreciate your time. Everybody tap in. Tap in. What's up, Big E? What's up? That's my son, Biggie.

He had way right now. Oh, really? Yeah, he left. He had a year and a day. So he got Skid Bid. That's what you know, the niggins called that skid pit. The apple don't fall far from the tree. Yeah, but his shit was all.

You know, it's the dumb shit. You know, with the kids. doing the day. Okay. So, but, you know, he's been working. He works for the automotive for like nine years. So he just got caught up in Sama. He was a good kid.

Shout out to Eric Matthews, Big E. That's my son. I love him. All right. Mommy, waiting on you to come home next month. He's full boy. You got a hell of a mom right here. He's 30, but he's full.

He's my baby. He said, everybody in here know you. Wow, that's going to be fun. Yeah. Make sure he's not living off his mom's fame too much, right? No, no. He don't do that. He worked, nine.

Like I said, nine years, you know, of work. You know, he works. That boy works. I always, with all my children, they work. They work, and my daughter was a flight attendant for like seven years. You know, my other son works. He drives the truck for the liquor trucks, you know.

All my kids work. I steal that in them, Adam, is to work, you know? I love it. Big 50. Thank you so much. Nojumber, coolest podcast on the world. Check us on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, and Instagram. Like, comment, and subscribe.

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