No Jumper - Big Mike on if He Told on King Von, Being Wooski's Brother, FBG Duck Trial & More

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

Big Mike talks about doing time, Wooski, King Von, being banned from O Block, says Chicago has a negative influence on the youth, and more. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today, me and Remo, we're bringing you a very anticipated, requested interview, an extremely important interview in terms of our understanding of exactly what's been going on in Chicago for the last, you know, 15 years or so. We got big mic on the platform. What's going on, man? Longer than that. Yeah, you know, I had to come show some love, man.

A lot of people on the outside looking in think they know what's going on in the city. There's a lot of crazy shit going on in the city. Even now. But the crazy shit's not all just in the rear of you mirror. No, hell no. That shit still going on out there, man. People out there die. Fid, smacking that money.

Everybody's just, it's over with for Chicago. They burn that shit down. That's how you feel. Like, it's not, there's no hope. Man, the only way it's going to be some hope is that the people who leave in the hood to come back to the hood and help put it back to help get it. You know what I'm saying. help get my

to come out. Like, you get your money and you leave. What they're going to listen to some of the same shit they're doing? Right. If you come

and they see you the left, you was able to get out and you come back to the hood and you're telling them like this what's going on and you try to help build a community back up then it'll work.

But other than that, I'm gonna be, shit, if I was the street and you were a street looking at you like, how the fuck you're going to tell me something we are doing the same thing? But you get somebody like D. Rose

or Dwayne Wade or somebody like that come to the hood. it starts showing people like, man, look, we'd have made it out. Y'all could do this, y'all could do that. Start helping around the hood and shit. That's the only way. Other than that, that bitch is going down.

Yeah, because it seems like everybody leaves Chicago, whether they make a shitload of money and they leave, or even like the dudes who just get well-known enough that they just are kind of famous in Chicago, they leave too, even if they're on some regular shit once they leave. Right. And then, like, a large percentage of people who stay over the last 10, 15 years, they end up dead.

That's true. So it's a Never End the cycle shit You still living in Chicago? Man, I'm always in Chicago But fuck no Yeah It's wrong with you, man

I ain't for the bid that hot-ass city, man Because you, like, are you How long could you did a 10 year of beer, right? Yeah, I did five before that And then 10 on that one, yeah So when you got out, you didn't have no restrictions Like, no house or rest of the line? On this one?

Yeah, on this one. Yeah, you're good to go wherever. I'm on parole right now. I had to get approved to come to. to this shit. And that was hard to do. Really? Yeah. Why? Just because it's us or because it's California? Because it's so far. Yeah, so far.

Like, I got to get on a plane and all that shit. Like, say if I'm leaving, if I'm in Atlanta, or if I want to go to Atlanta from Chicago or maybe Indianapolis or any little spots around, and it's like a 10-hour drive or some shit. You ain't driving out here from Chicago.

People do it. Unless you want to spend them three days on the road. I ain't doing no fucking three days on the road, man. keep having people come to do the interview and it's pretty obvious that they don't want to be pipeless per se so they drive from Chicago which I get the logic but

that in itself entails a lot of crimes crossing that many state lines and I'm just kind of like good luck, good luck man don't get pulled over I jumped on the plane. Yeah. About myself right. I ain't worried

about it if it happened to happen. Because when people tell us that too I'm like you know nobody's tripping about you out here. Like, for the most part, you'd have to really be on some weird shit to be from Chicago and to have, like, serious problems in L.A. if you've never even been out here before.

I think people just, like, the psych they fucking heads up, like, they really, that when they're not. You know what I'm saying? I just been through hell of airports on my way here. You know what I'm saying? So many people don't walk up to me shook my hand

wanted to take pictures and shit. Ain't nobody thinking about us, man. These fans that just want to be fans. Right. Ain't nobody really thinking about us like that, though, but that's just people who be hyping their heads up, making their self think that they're something that they ain't. I got to drive down here three fucking days with these guns

because I think somebody going to do something. Ain't anybody fend to do shit to you. Right. You got really pissed somebody off in California for them to give a shit about what's going on. How are they going to know you coming, unless you told them? You come out here and you go a hotel to the studio, hotel, to the interview.

You'd be all right. Not you, but like anyone. I think a lot of people who come. I'm out here, they brag about coming to L.A. for the first time, and that's where it get tricky. Like, you didn't post any airport pictures or none. You just... Hell no. Don't nobody know I'm here. Except my people. This your first time in L.A.?

Yeah. Look, I'm not saying it, it's all right. Yeah. When I come back to next time, though, that's when I'm going to do a little party and whatever. I might go out somewhere or something like that. Go out to eat or something like that. Right. Right now, I'm just a strictly business right now. Mm-hmm.

So you've been free for how many months now? On the 12th, it'd be six months. Okay. And how is it? Because I feel like it was probably one thing when you got out, and then you start doing media, you're doing podcasts or shit, and then all of a sudden everybody's like really starting to realize your home,

and then it's probably reached a whole different level. Oh, yeah. So when I first came home, I really won't know shit. I was like, I'm just going to fall back. and see what's going on and shit. But then I had all the bloggers reaching out to me and shit. I'm like,

man, I don't know. How much they be paying motherfuckers, you feel? Like, that's what I was thinking like. And then when the number started getting thrown at me, I'm like, oh, I ain't working on my job.

Man, hell, no, I can make this just to talk to you for two hours. I'm gone. You know what I'm saying? So I did my first interview with DJU. Shit, the second one was with them too with me and my little brother.

and then I did some shit with these media shout out these media it was basically like he was he on some positive shit though like he really ain't going to like the bullshit of the streets he was going to the positive shit um Steph the messenger

he was on some positive shit too all he wanted to do is talk about how to help the youth and let them know like why they don't want to do the shit we was doing this shit which do you prefer because you seem like your mentality is not really on some positive shit, because the first shit that you said was kind of negative about Chicago and shit.

I could do it both. Right. You feel? Like, how I tell the kids, like, don't do what we're doing. Like, do something better. Like, we're doing this shit, and we did this shit already, just so y'all ain't got to do it.

Like, y'all see where it's going to lead to. You're going to die or you're going to go to jail? Your mama going to be crying. She's going to be mad. They got to bury you. They got to come up with 10,000. just to stick you on the ground, financial burden, you feel me. And people don't understand what these women be going through out here when they losing

their kids. We ain't going to know, we ain't no woman. You know what I'm saying? We ain't have to push that baby out. She pushed that baby out. He ain't carried it for nine months. So, like, seeing your son go to jail, seeing your son die and stuff like that, that hurt women, you feel me?

I'll just be trying to tell the youth, like, is that what you want to keep putting your mama do? Your mama through them going here, shit. But that ain't the right route. You say it hurts women. Is your heart so cold to that shit at this point that when you lose somebody that you care about, that it's almost hard for you to even go through that emotional process? Yeah, it's like it's numb.

Like it'd be kind of numb. Like I had my moments while I bug. But it's like so many people than that. Like when I was locked up, I don't know. So many people. I'm saying? My little brother died right before I came home in Chicago. go and it was like damn you know I'm saying I was hurt but it was like still just another day

because I went right back to doing what I usually do while I'm in prison which is work out on the phone writing letters or something like that it's like it's man that's it's turn you bro you get used to it yeah because when you're when you're home you at least get to you know use this as opportunity to to be around his family or your family and an opportunity and to, you know, you go to the funeral, you have the ceremony that symbolizes the end of this person's life. When you're locked up, you don't get to do any of that. It's just literally, all you can do is think about it. And it's drive you crazy when you're in prison because, you know what I'm saying? You keep using your brain that it forced you to, like, be mad. And then you might not did nothing to me, but I'm just so mad about what happened to my people that you probably didn't just say it some funny shit and I didn't find it funny.

and then now we're fighting. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got no way to let it out. I'm in prison. You know what I'm saying? Like, really ain't got access to the phone like that. So that's the best way people let it out in prison. Like, man, I'm going to beat his ass.

And then when you sit and sit and say, you're like, then he ain't need to do shit to me. I'm just mad because of that situation that happened. Out here, you know what I'm saying? You're able to hug your people. You know what I'm saying? Y'all are able to console each other and shit like that. able to talk like for real for real. It's that on them jail phone.

And it'd be better because you would feel the love. You know what I'm saying? You would be able to console your mama, console your daddy, your sister, your brother. But in prison, you're just sitting there like, getting information off the phone, going back in the cell,

think about it all day. You're going to think about it all day and it's going to hurt your brain so much you're going to end up crashing out. You don't go to the scene. Let's go to the beginning. So you was born and raised in no block? Or you just...

I want born and raised. in Oblock, I was born in Indianapolis, Indiana. My deity took my mama to Indianapolis, and I was born. And then she came back and went back to Parkway. So I was born in Indianapolis, but I was raised in Parkway Gardens. About what age you think you went to Parkway? I was in there my whole life. I was born.

The day I was born, two days later, my mama brought me back to Chicago. And I was in Parkway Gardens from? Yes. So you are real original O'Block. It's not one person. Not one person. It didn't matter before this King, Vaughn, stuff, none of that. It's not one person in there that don't know me and my little brothers and my mama.

Not nobody since the 90s. Nobody. Everybody would tear you like, yeah, them dying crazy-ass kids. You know what I'm saying? That's who we was. And you said one of your brothers just died recently. He died last in April on the 6th. And he was living in the O'Block as well.

Yeah. All of us. Every last one of my mom and kids stayed over there. Wooski stayed over there too. So Wooski's just one of your brothers? Like, like, or... He's just one of them. He's a third brother.

I'm the first. Then Lowski, then Wooski. Then Schueter. Then my youngest, brother. And he would have been out of O'Block by what age? Because he lived there for a period of time as well, right? He was always in and out. Because by him, you know what I'm saying?

always getting two people on the block. He was always leaving, going to hang with his homie tuka on 71st. So he'd be going down there, doing his thing down now. But we was living on the block, though. But then we had got put out.

And that's what made him really start with them hard. Like, now he ain't got no ties to the hood. He don't got to come back over here, none of that. So when he came over there, shit, he terrorizing. He could just go back down on 71st. So when you was hanging down the O block, who was, like, your main? crowd of people you were showing with like are you me OD 5

Patoon D P, P.A.1, white, white, Chirot, C. Murder. There's too many niggas. Patoon. That's really about it. That was like really my circle. Like people you would see me with every day.

What about both start? You want to see me with him every day? Because he comes from another hood. You know what I'm saying? We was bread. in there. You know what I'm saying? He comes from another hood.

So you were born in what year? 1990. 1990. Okay. So you were like 20 by the time the whole Sosa shit starts blowing up and everything. So you're kind of like a grown man watching all these young 15, 16 year olds blow up. And I was in prison and I ain't know. You were already locked up by then.

Yeah, I got locked up in 2009. I think Sosa really started popping in like 2011. I want to say around the time that old got killed. Hmm. And I was steady hearing the names and shit like that, but I didn't know who they was talking about until I actually seen it on TV. And that's when I learned about the whole Jojo beef and all that crazy. I was still locked up for all of that. Okay.

So you got locked up in 2009, you said? And what was that for? Oh, I'm Robert. Okay. Was that the first time you had serious legal problems? Not serious legal problems. So I had a lot of serious legal problems when I was a juvenile. But as an adult, that was the first one.

What were the juvenile things related to? Juveniles is all about, all about, all know if y'all ever, you know what I'm saying? No nothing about making no fucking bombs with bathroom cleaning alumina for. I was wanted to, but I never really got too far past just like burning shit. So we was doing that, you know what I'm saying, and getting in trouble, we were storing people cribs and shit, throwing them people cars, throwing them at police cars and shit. In your neighborhood? So there were, like, people that realistically

were probably, like, related to your friends and shit. Yeah. We didn't get no fuck, though. We was kids. You know what I'm saying? It was fun. You know, I got locked up and shit like that. I got caught with a gun when I was the shorthy.

I got a bunch of trespassings as a shorthy from trespassing in Parkway gone. They gave me a whole bunch of court supervisions to stay from over there, but then I still go back over there because my fuck I live here. My mom will live here. what the f f'am I'm gonna go so I still be going over that is

hey keep locking my ass up but people always talk about how prior to like 2011 or whatever that O Block and you know just the overall climate in Chicago was a lot more relaxed compared to where it's at now

is that your impression as well it was hell yeah because it wasn't that much it wasn't that many guns like for some reason there's a lot of guns in the neighborhoods now like it wasn't that many guns bro like people use the fight

people used to fight I remember we was going to Dallas like we used the fight that's how all the beef started anyway because we used to fight each other all day these was people these was dude that we was going to school with you're talking like the 603rd once upon the time you know what I'm saying

the STLB no before STL when it was EBT you know what I'm saying them we went to school with and a lot of them locked up you know what I'm saying they never coming home you know what I'm saying like STL wasn't even heard of around that time

when we was beefing with EBT hot. We didn't know nothing about St. Lans. We was beefing with dude and them on EBA Hot. But who's dude in them? Like, who the main nigga that y'all was fighting and shit over there? Torrance and Cornel and all them niggas, wee and chicken. You know what I'm saying?

Them niggas. Who we used to hang with? Then was our homies. Why did y'all start fighting? Like, they'd be saying most of the times that the fights start over like women and shit. Like, why do you? That wasn't our case, though.

Oh, in our case when that Cadu Mad Building got towed down niggas went from the Calumet building to Eberha. And we stayed in Parkway. And when they went towards Eberhard, they started with the gangsters.

And when they stopped f***ing with the gangsters that created a problem. And we was in school with beefing at Dulles. Yeah. Beefing every day all day. Fighting. And then they led to some other shit. Yeah, so I guess the fight

started leading the n-knit and shot at and. People started getting their ass. That's what you up here getting embarrassed in school. I'm gonna bring a gun up to the smith fucking next time. You know what I'm saying? That's how a lot of this shit started. Were you like one of the big homies?

Like were you old? Like what's the age difference between like you and like OD and everyone? Me, OD around the same age. I think I'm one year older than him. I think he would have been 32 this year. I'm feeling to be 34 this year. Because OD get credited for like a lot of the old black guys. They said that OD was showing everyone to.

ropes and shit back in the day. He was. It wasn't even necessary that he was actually showing them. He was just watching him and wanted to do it. You feel it? It ain't like he was telling them like, look, come in there. That's how you do this. That's how you do that.

Yeah. No, he was, what he was doing, he was showing them off the fucker because he was doing it. And my fucking wanted to do it. So they was following in his footsteps. Why do you think he was so advanced and like you and him like jumped off the porch so early compared to everybody else? I couldn't even tear you I think he's just

shit we wanted to be like some little demons and shit you feel you can't compare nobody on the streets to OD though you know what I'm saying he was different bro he was different like a lot of

us who shout his name don't know him so you can you don't know the real him so you only seen the demon side you ain't seen that OD that really brought the street out when he died you know what I'm saying like if bro love you he loved you you know I'm saying he'll do anything for you you know what I'm saying it was times where I used to be dirty as hell didn't high shit bro brought me shoes up out his

career got in trouble for bringing me the shoes because his mama just bought him brought me the shoes and now I'm wearing his shit he just gave him to me you know I'm saying like shit like that anybody I see on the internet just talk about how he was just had no regard for human life and you know what I'm saying how he was just this cold bloody killer and how he didn't kill this person he killed that person but they everybody love to speak on the negative what about the positive though y'all don't know about the positive because ain't nobody speaking on the positive it's hard for a lot of people to imagine that somebody could have both sides of that to their personality you know he did he did he was

cool as dude man I've been knowing one OD since the sandbox. What type of person was OD though? Like before all the gang violence and shit or whatever. Like, he's just cool as hell. He just liked to be freshest hill. I always freshest hell on the block. You know what I'm saying?

He was a mama's boy. Fee him. And shit, he was getting all the females. Like, you want to be around him because he was going to have all the ladies, like on him. So as you was around him, like, you could get some ass too. Fee him. Like, he just was a chill last?

And see, when it was crunch signed, though it was crunch sign. He turned off that and turned on his demon. So he was more like a protector for y'all. Hell yeah. We always, me, him, five, platoon, we was always the protectors of that hood. Always the protectors of that bloke. We were the first ones that always wanted to jump on the front line and just go do it. You feel?

Because it became, it was like it was natural. Like with my family. That's how I am with my family too. You know what I'm saying? Like God can come down right now and tell me like, look, either you or Wooske, you got to go right now. I'm going to go because that's just who I am. It's in me.

I can't change it. A lot of people saying that shit, I should want to live my life. Then my people's and shit, but shit, I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. So when Odie was killed, you was locked up? Yeah. And how did that hit, given that you didn't really have any way to? They gossip in prison a lot, man.

Like, people will walk up to you telling you some shit of you. They were like, man, watch out. But little do people know the jails found out about a lot of shit before the streets even found out about it. So when they told me, I was just, well, y'all last line. And shit, I got on the phone. And they was like, yeah, he got shot up.

I'm just like, what the fuck? Went over, talked to my home before a little bit. Went in the cell. came back out seeing some niggas that we was in tour with tore it up went to SIG did a whole year in SIG man that shit

Yeah so after Odie got killed There was a lot of fights in jail Hell yeah A lot of them because people He had so much love from all type of blocks Like the hundreds Airwell So when people were seeing like

Hearing Like you know what I'm saying Through the Graveind Like who supposedly took him out like okay anybody affiliated with that block we whooping their ass we stabbing them up you know what I'm saying

motherfucker gotta run the PC gotta go hide that's how ugly it'd be in prison you feel me you ain't got no gun or no you ain't got shit but your fists and if you want to fuck around with a knife you can fuck around with a knife

but that's it and Tuka was killed before OD right? Yeah because they said that OD was a revenge killing for Tuka FVG Butterman going around saying that K.I. killed O.D. Because some niggas killed Tuka.

I don't even know nothing about that. I don't even know if it's true that K.I. even killed O.D., you feel it? I don't even know if it's true if OD killed Tuka. You know what I'm saying? Some people just make up stories for content. They take the biggest names and make them the one who did it when it realistically could have been a lot of other people. You know what I'm saying?

It could have been somebody else. The street's been talking about who could have possibly did. Everybody just ran with it because she the one started jumping on the internet about the shit. So in jail, y'all kind of ran with it too. So the niggas y'all was kill in jail was K.I. People? Yeah, they kept saying like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

They're talking about this K.I. We were out the bound. But the whole time, the block knew that little girl ain't having nothing to do with him getting killed. She probably was there. But she ain't the one that pulled that trigger, bro. So the people that got jumped to jail probably was from the... I mean, I guess they're all affiliated anyway, right?

Yeah, everybody... You know what I'm saying? When you're in prison, you're sectioned off anyway. You sectioned off regardless. As soon as you come in. What you is? Where are you from? All right.

It's good. I'm over here. What you is? Where you from? Y'all over here type of shit. You know what I'm saying? That's how I go in prison. So at the time, you're one of your close homies, which is OD.

He just got killed. But your little brother, his friend, which is Tuka, his best friend. He got killed a couple days before. So what you and Ruski's relationship at this? time because you're locked up. You're talking to him on the phone or anything? Because like both y'all just lost your best friends to the same war. To the same wars shit.

I mean, I ain't really found out that Wooski was in that shit until a phone call. I was making a phone call. This one motherfucker still had house phones. I made a phone call from the prison until my mom a house phone and shit when we were staying on 70 second in Vernon. And when I called it, little bro was there and shit. Now mind you, he was still a fucking baby.

But I was like, man, I need you to bust this three-way from me. He was like, man, I ain't calling no niggas from Parkway, man. And I was like, what the fuck you mean? Like, I ain't calling nobody from Parkway, bro. I'm on their ass. That's when I first found out

that my little brother was beefing with my people. That's the first time. Ain't nobody ever told me on the phone, nothing about them, none of that. I knew when I hit that phone call with him. And he told my ass,

I ain't called none of them niggas, I'm on their ass. But you knew that him and Tuka were best friends, so then you couldn't assume that he would be somewhat upset. I didn't even necessarily knew that him and Tuka was best friend.

I knew they used to hang out because Tugia used to be coming down at our career. You know what I'm saying, all the time. But he had a lot of fucking friends, though, that he used to hang with. It just he had an attachment to Tucka, though.

But at that time, I didn't really know everything that was going on yet. I ain't really know what was going on yet. That's back then we had Consolidated. Consolidated is $10 a phone call, bro. You on the phone for 30 minutes for $10, bro. So people really want getting on the phone like that unless they had that bread.

You know what I'm saying? And that's around the time all that shit was going on. So a motherfucker really wasn't getting the full stories and shit. But then everything started coming out. And were you just shocked? that Luski's attitude was just kind of like, fuck them? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

I was like, oh, hell no, man. I come home with 2014. What this nigga just got me in? You know what I'm saying? Because when you look at it, like a lot of the niggas front of the streets ain't gonna never look at it how I look at it. Because a lot of them, they don't get a fuck about their brothers.

They don't get no fuck about their people. You know what I'm saying? They'd rather die for their homies than say they brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, the fuck is wrong with you. There's blood. This somebody you grew up with.

Y'all live in the same house. Y'all ate the same food. You know what I'm saying? Y'all got pushed out of the same wound. Like me? No. I look at it like it's a double-ed-s-word. This is my brother.

These are my homies. What the fuck I'm supposed to do in that situation? But it's got to be weird because your homies maybe feel like they can't 100% trust you when it comes to shit with him or something. And maybe he feels the same way about you that he can't 100% trust you because maybe they're just coming. a day where you decide like, fucking, I'm all the way with this side

and therefore I'm going to help plot against the other side. I mean, at least it has to go through people's heads, right? It do. But that's just how it go, though. You know what I'm saying? Now, I would never stop being one game to be in another. Right.

It'll never happen just because that's my brother's my brother's side. I'm on my brother's side. Not nobody that he affiliated with, none of that shit. I'm going to fuck, what y'all do to them? just don't touch him fear and that's because all the love I got for love bro

if I was to allow them to kill my brother what would that make me bro like who would I be if I let my homies kill my brother and I got to look at my mama every day I got to look at my little brothers every day and they're like man you let them niggas kill your own blood brother man and you ain't did shit but it might be out of your hands at some point right

it definitely ain't out of my hands it's definitely not out of my hands if they touch them it's a problem all that we grew up since the sandbox that shit goes out the window when it comes to my blood that's just who I am but obviously Vaughn didn't really look at it like that

Vaughn was like him and Wooski seemed like he didn't give a fuck what happened I mean He made whiskey famous way more than it was before yes because he wasn't

I mean he was coming he was already coming up in the ranks but you know they little beef right there he had you know through it over there Young boy never would have talked about driving around bumping Wooski if it wasn't for all that. If it wasn't for everybody talking shit about them in their zones, I don't think young boy would ever mention this name.

Right. But you and Vaughn had him type of talks, like, you know that's my brother, like, ease up on him? Or you think, like, Vaughn would have just been with whatever with Wooski, he didn't give a fuck? All right, I could say it's been times. It's been times, well, I'd have had to call a little bro up and tell him to move around. You feel? It's been times. where I had told niggas

like he'd get a pass you feel in me like they didn't call my phone man FaceTime and look who right here on this bike y'all already know what to do give him a pass and niggas granted it like they gave him a pass

yeah they ain't had no choice I had status you know what I'm saying in the hood motherfucker got status like you will go against me and I got niggas that's gonna come ride with me over you and that's a fucked up situation because

like when I came home I told her you don't come over here I'm not coming over there and that was the truth that's why it was dying down you know what I'm saying but then you know

motherfucker got locked up fuck that down down shit they started back getting wild and then you got all these shorties that's coming up on the block now that don't get no fuck they'll kill you on camera

don't get no fuck So when you got locked up, your mom, you were still living in O Block when you got locked up at the time, right? For the first case, or the case I was on? Just in general, because you said that you grew up in, like, in O Block. So, like, so where's Wooski living at this time? He's living in O'Block with you as well, right? Yeah, yeah. So my thing is, how did Wooski get closer?

Who was Wooski hanging out with in O'Block? Like, who was his close homies at the time? See, he really won't hang around with nobody like that. He used to hang out with a little Shorty Ray Ray. Um, who the fuck else he was hanging with? Uh, L'Denzel, Devin. He had some little people that he used to hang out with, and he had people that he wrapped bike chains around their necks and shit.

So, Rob bike chains around their neck, like, not hit them with the bike chain. He hit him with it, but when he swung it, it, wrapped around his neck when you whacked him with that motherfucker. That's why I always say that. But those your homies at the time, he doing that, too. No, these is the shortest. Them ain't my own.

I'm way older than Wooski. Y'all forgetting that. What's the age gap between you and Woosk? I'm 33. Wooski handship with 27. I'm going to be 34. Yeah, all right. His age bracket, them was shorties.

Them was babies. Them little niggas he hanged out with them little niggins playing in the park, playing in dirt and shit at that time. So was it a thing where, like, because y'all was doing whatever y'all was doing, you was like not having Wooski around? Because usually your little brother won't be like the big bro. So your friends, he would like take to them as well. Well.

No, his field was coming around because I didn't get into face with a bunch of the guys behind him when we was little. Because he was coming around. No, because he was coming around doing crazy shit. So how did he get more locked in

with Tuka and them over the people that he grew up with an oblo? Because he started going down now and we got family that's from Tugan them side. You know what I'm saying? I got a bunch of cousins that's from that side of the field.

So he's hanging out with his cousins and shit too? Yeah. All right, for sure. So he go down there. He hands. hanging out with our people and shit. We have people that live on Eberhard of Vernon and shit like that on St.

Lawrence. So it's easy for him to go hang over there. He's like, fuck, I'm going to go hang with cousins. And that's what really got him locked in like that. So at this time, like, where is F.G Duck at? Is he hanging out with Duck or him and Tuka is more locked in? I don't know. You know, I ain't, I ain't even know or hear about Duck until, like, 2012, bro.

I ain't even going to lie to you. Like, a lot of them niggas over there. butter all them you know you'd have seen them type of niggas butter motherfucking little jay all of them you've been you know I've seen them before

in traffic or whatever but duck I never even seen duck you know what I'm saying I never even heard of duck until 2012 how did you know butter then because like they were all coming on up on the

you know what I'm saying bro them know who he is so one day we ride and past the shit you know what I'm saying St. Lawrence they yeah that's butter right there we're out of the bound you know what I'm saying Like Oblock niggas telling you, they're gonna.

So Butter was like sliding and doing shit early on, tight shit for y'all to like know him. I mean, I don't know if he was really sliding, but his name was, you know what I'm saying, out there as one of them people from off St. Lawrence. You know what I'm saying? Butter. I saw a comment on an interview clip the other day

that said, it's so crazy to me that Buddy used to be the dude that nobody had ever heard speak. And now he's like literally doing like four interviews a week. And I'm like, he must have been like a mystery to people at one point. And then that mystery has kind of been exchanged for him just talking on camera all the time. I think he see how easy this shit is. He get money. He gets money.

People fucking with him. His name going up. He got the haters and he got the supporters. Fuck the haters. All you need is to support us. It's crazy because like the interview hustle seems kind of simple in comparison to the music shit. where, like, the music shit, you're going to make dope songs and keep people interested in a long period of time,

whereas the interviews are a lot more laid back, I guess. Right, yeah. I mean, I would rather do interviews all the time than rap. If you sit down, do an interview, you make some quick love money, get fuck what it was. You just sat down and talk for an hour, two hours, and you just walked out with some money. You know what I'm saying?

Just to, you know, let people hear your side or let people, that really don't know what's going on in our city know what's going on or how we live in our life. But are you shocked when you see shit like J. Main talking about who shot at him back in the day and all this kind of new shit that is taking place in interviews that you probably couldn't have predicted 10 years ago? Yeah, these interviews be crazy as hell.

Jay May ain't doing this thing, though. You know what I'm saying? He's doing this thing. But these interviews do get crazy, man. They get crazy. It's like a race to like see who could say the crazy. craziest thing because it's like if jane didn't tell that story about uh you know fredo shooting at him or whatever somebody else would have came along at some point and started telling that story

because people want to hear that kind of shit so bad you know like like if you chose to never do an interview it was just really open up like a lot of people just telling big mic stories one way or another you know they're doing that they were already doing that before you got out yeah are you doing that anyway i've seen some shit i just i had to get into it with a youtube You post a shit you And you know what you're talking about You calling me the devil of Chicago Which one?

I'm the devil of Chicago That's a boring nickname We already had like The Wolverine and the grim reaper Just the devil He talked about Avon was a demon in Chicago Then I'm the devil

Like what the fuck is you talking about You don't even know me They said that you You kind of help Vaughn jump off the porch You were showing them How to move and do drills and shit I'm older than him You know what I'm saying

I've been doing it before he was doing it You know what I'm saying Like all of them niggas over there Like a lot of them shows he's over there Like I've been doing it before they was doing it Because you named everybody you was hanging out with But you didn't name King Vaughn So when King Vaughn coming to play

But you hanging out with him He started coming around like in 2000 I want to say like seven or eight But he was playing baseball and shit like that though Like he, you know what I'm saying They was doing their baseball thing But you can always tell like Who really want to do this shit

Like just off their actions, always hanging around. I always ask you, man, let me see the guns. Let me tote the gun. Police pulling up, he quit. He wanted to grab the gun because he want to prove himself. You know what I'm saying? The police pulling up, he like, geared to me and he take off running with it. Like,

they want to prove theirself and shit like that. So, yeah, hell yeah, they was watching us as we was coming up and shit. Now, what they was watching and what they was was seeing us doing and following our footsteps was bogus. Hell yeah, it was bogus. Hell yeah, it was bogus.

Because it's the simple fact that we taught some kids how to be some killers and shit. You know what I'm saying? We taught some kids how to rob people. You know what I'm saying? Like, go steal, shoot at a motherfucker. Do us, do that. And that's the whole reason why I shit fucked up today.

Because it's steady going on. But shit, that's what we was taught. Shit. I ain't seen nothing wrong with it at first. Shit could have gone another way where you guys could have been looked at like the losers in the war. You know what I'm saying?

You know? Which is like, you might look at it now and be like, damn, that's fucked up that we pass this tradition down to the next generation. But at the same time, at that time, it felt like life or death, right? Yeah, it felt like that's what we were supposed to be doing. That's what we felt like, because we didn't have all them,

like when we was growing up, this shit, we didn't have none of this shit, bro. This is a fucking smartphone. You could do, I can tell Siri to do whatever on this bitch. You know what I'm saying? We ain't had this type of shit. We had chirps and, you know, Boost Mobile churps and shit, you know what I'm saying? So we wound up on game, like, with all the shit that's going on and watching people podcast

and listening to other motherfuckers basically tell you, like, man, you ain't got to be no street, nigger. You know what I'm saying? You can be a lame, but you're going to be a lame and you're going to be out of jail. You're going to be a lame with a job, with a check. You know what I'm saying? We ain't know none of that shit. We was watching what brother was doing.

That's what the fuck we wanted to do, and we ain't see nothing else but that. You feel like the average kid in Chicago is less intrigued by the streets now than they were before because they have access to YouTube and all the shit that kind of... I think they is. I think they is. My mama got one son that decided, man, fuck all that. I ain't doing what's all doing, nigga. He's fend to be a nurse.

So I'm assuming your mom moved out of O Block in. Yeah, my mom been going out of O'block. We got put out in 2005 for me making the bombs to throwing through people windows and shit. Oh shit, they kicked you out for that. Yeah, hell, yeah. They kicked us out. They told her, see, I was going to jail or she was going to have to leave.

You know what I said? It's my mama. She's like, go ahead. So that's when Wooski ended up on STL? That's what we moved down on 72nd and Vernon. That's when he really started. Tuga really come from off 70 first. You know what I'm saying?

That's what he was hanging at first. Everybody talking about St. Lawrence. He was down now on 701. You know what I'm saying? They used to play basketball up at the pocket and shit on King Drive and shit like that. And he got up though. Why do you think

Husky's such a little screwed up? Because, like, all the documentaries made about him and shit? No, he, see, people don't understand, you know what I'm saying? It's like, little bro been like that since he was little. This ain't something that he's seen somebody doing

decided to start doing it. That's the difference between him and a lot of other niggas. He didn't do it. He ain't start doing this shit just because he thought it was cool. He thought about getting a name and shit like that.

my little brother literally been fucked up since he was a shorthy like mentally you know what I'm saying like mentally like little bro been fucked up bro you know what I'm saying like he will chase you

all day if you hit him he will chase you all day until he got that lick back I don't get no fuck how fast you ran how far you ran none of that he wanted his lid back my little brother Lowski put his hands on he chased him all day with a brick

my little brother run through the dough it's a glass dough Wooski throw the brick through the window He'd been like that bro This ain't something that he wanted to do This something that's Little bro, man was fucked up Since he was a shuddy man

But this wasn't nothing you were seizing him Because you kind of like said that She was kind of shown Von the Rose Wooski on the other hand He just was picking that shit up on his own He was doing this thing But he was also He was learning

But he was doing his thing at the same time Like he always hid his own man Like you could be like I'm about to go do this He'd be like I'm gonna do this He's like, man, I'm going to go over here. I'm about to go steal his gun from who out to bam or something like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like, he always was by himself sometime. Like, you will see him, you're like, man, what the fuck is you doing? I out of here to punch him up so many times when he was little. But he won his leg back, bro. So I got to let him beat me up, you know what I'm saying, when he was little. I got to let him get his fruit licks in. So he can, see he going to stop crying and he's going to leave you alone. It's over with after that.

You know what I'm saying? It was like that because people can. helped fuck him when he was little, bro. Once they found out that they can hit him and dip and take off running and he's going to be chasing him all day, people felt like that shit was fun. They felt like it was fucking fun

to slap this man upside his head to take off running knowing he's going to chase you all day because he wanted his leg back. So they kind of like created a monster? They did that shit. Right. That's what they're not understanding. Y'all did that shit, bro. And these are old black people who was like slapping them

around and doing shit? Since he was When he was little. Then when he grew up and he started beating their ass. He started smacking motherfuckers with bike chains, hitting people with hammers and bats and all this shit. Now it's all the man, Wooski crazy, man. Get your brother. Y'all did that shit.

Y'all shouldn't have never been fucking with him. Is the lore about Wooski exaggerated or was he really like that during his prime? Like what you mean about? You know, like in terms of taking care of business. Yeah. I can't care of business. I wouldn't really know nothing about that. I've been locked up.

You feel you? I know the, when I was out, before I got locked up the first time, like the 12-year-olds, you know what I'm saying? And then when I got out, the 16-year-olds, like, anything got to that or between that, I don't know nothing about. The lawyer has it that, and this is documentary, this has been on YouTube through a lot of documentaries and shit. They say that the reason King Vaughn turned into a savage because King Vaughan. was at the store or White White White. They was like, I think him and White White was at the store. And White White got killed.

And the rumor has it that 50 shots and Wooski came through blown or shit, maybe, and that's how King Vaughn turned into a savage really jumped off the porch after he seen White get killed. And they said that Wooski and 50 shots was outside or some shit. That's where the hatred between Von and Wooski came from. I think so. I don't know. I was locked up for that too.

Yeah. I think White White got killed in like, what, 2012? One of the songs he said, Why did he got killed that scene? I don't know what year it was. I think it was like 2012. Early on the... Yeah, I think White White got killed in 2012.

I was booked. You feel? So a lot of this shit I didn't know about... All I knew was that White got shot like somewhere like in the back or something like that. Somewhere, you know what I'm saying, where he hit a man, artery, he went into shock and shit. And the situation that happened.

Like, the security guards put them out, made them leave. off the block, you know what I'm saying? And as they was coming up off the block, they was coming around the Walgreens way, and a motherfucker got to shoot. Get locked up on the case with me and bro, and find out that it was 50 shot.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that man was getting his ass beat all the time. Everybody was taking off on him, because it was, you know what I'm saying? That was White White. You know what I'm saying? White White was a cool little nigger.

So yeah, breakdown for the people who don't know who white white, is like what was he like in O Block and shit y'all? Man white white fat ass Tony Dunn now white white was cool as hell man white white white he was a finesse though like white he'll go smoke his blunt by himself

and then come to you and try to get you to smoke yours with him or he'd be lying you would be right there you like man match me he like man he ain't got nothing right now you will smoke your shit with him then you'll go around the corner and see him on the porch he's smoking his shit on some straight things Grimy ass, shy-ass-y-ass-ass shit, bro. But he was cool as hell, man. White White was cool as hell, bro.

White really ain't turned into no demon until 2009 when I got booked. White White was really just the one. He just wanted to hustle. He wants some money for he can smoke. You know what I'm saying? He wanted to chill that little females career. Finesse them out of their bread for he can smoke. You know what I'm saying?

That really was White White White. White White White liked it to smoke. He going to smoke that weed. He'll go go go out to his mama house, chill. He'll go eat. He'll cut back. down he he ha ha goofy you know what i'm saying like that's what white white was the the the the white that turned into the demon i don't know him yeah you feel i don't know him because that one

never white white uh white white got killed before odie uh i believe so all right so so you you agree with because in one of the songs came on like he says why did he got killed i seen and i was right there still can't believe it turned me to to a demon. You feel like that was the start of King Vaughn turned into this new person that he became? It's the cause of a lot of people.

He is was just worser. Now, how come y'all ain't named the hood after Whitewater? Y'all named it after OD. I don't know. Like I said, I was booked doing all this shit. But on some real shit, OD had more love than White White than the hood. You feel.

Everybody fucked with White White now. Don't get me wrong. But O.D. just had more love. in the hood. You know what I'm saying? But he wasn't the first L-Yout, like, lost y'all took, White White was, or?

No, our first loss was Reasy, Rawa. You know what I'm saying? Rara and Kita was our first losses on our, in our hood. But Kita ain't died from, like, no bullet wounds or nothing like that. How did Kita die?

Because I hear, I hear, she got named dropped in Wooski song, and Wooski said that they ran over in a car. Man, that's a fucking lie about it. whole time. It was, you know, some type of heart complications. You know what I'm saying? She died from a natural cause. And nobody did shit to that girl.

You see him. But she was like the old, like one of the, uh, looking out for y'all and shit back in the day. Because I, Jay Money used to bigger up all the time. Because she was one of the ones that would get on my ass. But she was, she was cool at the same time. Like, shit, but like, y'all need to get the fuck from right here for they come through this motherfucking shooting. I ain't

getting shot today. Like, you know what I said? She was one of the type of people with shit. Like, she was, She was aggressive at the same time, too, and she would beat your ass. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But she was really, like, glued to the block. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, everybody's saying, Kita, you see her smile and shit like that.

Sometimes you see her storming through that bitch look like it's smoke coming out of a motherfucker ears because she's going to beat the fuck out somebody. You know what I'm saying? That was a loss. And then Rara was a loss, too. Like, then it was like, before that, we really, we weren't losing nobody. Yeah.

We won't lose to nobody. Then I got locked up, and Keita died, and then Rawa died, and then it started to create the cycle. You know what I'm saying? Shara, O.D., white, white. Toom. So how long you was out of jail where you and Vaughn really started to build job on? Because it seemed like you was locked up for a while.

I was on the out. Shit, the same amount of time he was out. We got out around the same time. I just got out, I think, a month before him. So I was out like, I want to say five and a half or six months. He was only out like five months, probably four and a half months. So on the street, how many years on the street you and Vaughan had together to really kick it and like really? We really ain't had no years.

We really ain't high no years. It's like, of course, yeah, I've been around them and shit. You know what I'm saying? In the hood and shit like that. But as far as like, you know what I'm saying? Kicking it, like kicking it, kicking it. All that happened in 2014. And we really started kicking and kicking it because we've seen who this.

Demas was like we knew like who was you know what I'm saying not scared out of him around this bitch and we was doing all this shit on parole yeah so you guys were you guys both get out around the same time and then you sort of are realizing that a lot has changed and that this environment is a lot more dangerous now and so he just kind of stuck out to you as like a kindred spirit like you had a lot in common in terms of how you dealt with shit oh yeah I can rock on him A lot of the other shorts, they too eager. Like, you know what I'm saying? He was doing his own thing.

He had his own little clout. You know, like, everybody knew who he was. And T. Roy, too, at the time. Hell yeah. But T. Roy was a different level of a demon, though. Like, you can't compel him. Break that down. Why do you say that?

Because T. Roy was bigger. He just ain't had a name. Yeah. He ain't had a fame. T. Roy had been doing that shit. So T. So T. T.R.

jumped off the porch before Vaughan. That's what you're saying. Hell yeah. For sure. And what was your relationship with T.Roy at the time? Did you know him? T. Roy, when we was calling him Troy,

and he switched his name to T. Roy, Mr. James Jackson. I've been knowing since he was a shorthy. I know all his people. I grew up around his people. His brother is slutty. You know what I'm saying? H.K. Fear of me?

His ain't he named him, all of them. I grew up around now. So, and they some of the originals from the block. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody grow together. They whole family in the, like, they got the biggest family in, you know what I'm saying? That's just, they family and then, like, the Wade family, but they ain't, they ain't my family. They just got their last name Wade, but that's another big-ass family that's from over there.

Who, who, you know, from the Wade family? Like Keiante Wade You know Big A is a way All right Big A, all right for sure You know what I'm saying Like that's their family You know what I'm saying All them their weights

So then why did T. Roy Turn into the Savage thing Because like all right King Vang the white white shit Who was King? Who was T. Roying around? No, I think T. Roy just might have just Heard in them I think T. Roy just might have just

headed in them because I don't think we ever took a traumatic experience why he was already doing this thing. Like he was always the demon you didn't see. You know what I'm saying? Until he was up on you. Because he's so fucking literally, you turn around thinking there's somebody tall

is a nigga down hill. You know what I'm saying? That's why he was able to demonize itself like that, though, because he was small with it, bro. It's got to be crazy to see people go from, like, children to being capable of those kind of things. because it's like normally you don't get to see both sides of it. Right.

Yeah, that's definitely true. Like, you were just watching him when he was little. Like, you never expected this. You know what I'm saying? I'd be saying the little, uh, the little fucking things they be making on YouTube and shit. Talk about how many body's T. Roy got and all this type of shit. Like, they be saying they like the slash rows. They said Vaughn got like 11.

T. They got like 12, 13. I mean, it's cap on that, but... But it's little... They, they around there, though. Yeah. They around now. So you feel like the documentaries

that they'd be making about T. Roy and Vaughn, they really ain't that exaggerated. If you talk to some people that's going to keep it 100 with you from our hood and shit that's going to keep it 100 with you and not be biased just to keep this big-ass name, people trying to hold them to up.

Yeah. A motherfucker will tell you, truth like no you know what I'm saying like I be I watch a lot of interviews you know I'm saying I be peeping a lot of shit a lot of people be lying and they be lying about shit that I know about personally so I know you lying you feel like you getting up here just putting on the show for a motherfucker but you line and got after fans really thinking this what happened didn't you listen to woo out the band man he told you that's what happened I could say anything

ain't on this motherfucker microphone the fans, go believe me. Yeah. They already believe a nigga named Lilby shot me in my face. I ain't never been shot before in my life, bro.

Lil B was one of the ones from EBT or STL that was hanging around whiskey. He really was from TY and B, but you know what I'm saying? He got the beefing with dude and him. And he went to Jiro City

and STL and all them blocks. They be calling him like they version of King Von and shit. Like how I was? He was that. You know what I'm saying? He was that. I gave him his props.

You know what I'm saying? Any scenarios where you was like, oh yeah, bro putting it in work? Like, you've seen it or you just heard? No, I ain't never even ran to the Tilly. Yeah. Like, that's the thing. I never ran into him personally.

He really started popping while I was booked. You know what I'm saying? He really started popping while I was booked. And they say he was the one supposed to do that to J. Money. Yeah, they said that he set up Jay Money with a chick or some shit. The chick set him up.

Yeah, and they didn't smoke him. Yeah, and then she, uh, I guess they was both. fucking with the same chick and then he kind of like used her to back door him something like that damn now damn now where the chick from she's from obloch? She definitely used to be in our hood with us all the time you know what I'm saying I wouldn't necessarily say she she was from O'block but she definitely used to be in our hood all the time you know what I'm saying we grew up with her so you might as well say yeah she was

from Parkaway. Jay Money got a lot of love, too. Where did that come from? Because they say Jay Money was one-on-one stepping on shit and doing a lot of... Jay Money got his love from just who he was, too. You know what I'm saying? He was a funny-ass nigga.

He was going to take up for you. You know what I'm saying? Jay Money always going to take up for you. He's saying, motherfucker with you. He's going, man, no man, you ain't fin to do that. You know what I'm saying? Fight me. You know what I'm saying? No, you ain't fun to fight, bro.

Fight me. Type shit. Like, Jay Money just was a cool ass nigga, though. Like, he would just chill, feeling, but he had turned up on your eyes. He got that look. Like, he, he, out of air, buddy, he got that most, like, demon-eyed look. When he get mad, man, Jay Money looked like something out of this world. You know what I'm saying?

When the eyes squint and then, you know, his shit started turning red. That man really liked the devil, like, and then that smirk. That's like the smirk, the smirk T. Yeah. You with, you, that's the devil. That's that smirk that, nigger. You could get it. You know what I'm saying?

Like that was that terrorizer smirer. Like, look I dude laugh. You know what I'm saying? That's how motherfuckers... But Jay Money was cool as hell. T. Roy was always being cool as hell, funny as hell. Everybody was just some cool-ass niggas till they weren't cool no more. And to shit started changing.

People started dying. Motherfuckers wanted certain things out of life. Like, you know, I want a nice guy. I want some change. and shit, you know what I'm saying? You mentioned Big A, you said, because y'all got, y'all's your same last name,

but you're not family members and shit. What was your relationship? Me and Big A was cool to sell. I was, the day I got caught on my case, I was with Big A. Which case, the, The Arn Robbery. I was with Big A and shit.

I took off running when it ran up on the roof. Got the shit beat out of me up there and shit. The cops got you and beat your ass. Man, they beat the fuck out of me up there. There ain't no cameras or nothing up there. So they was mad. You know what I'm saying? Then I had slung the gun off the roof of shit, so they was extra blue.

Where was the armed we're at? Like, what was it? It was on the block. It was a person? Yeah, it was, it was on the block. He wasn't undercover, but a, oh, dude, he stayed trooper. Yeah, well. We ain't know he was on fucking state trouble.

You thought it was just a random dude? Yeah. And what were you even taking from? He was out there. at three something in the morning. That's how we was able to get less of time anyway. You out here at three something in the morning trying to link up with a female.

You know what I'm saying? Do nobody know you no state trooper? We're just looking for a lick. And you presented yourself as the lick. So we robbed them. You know what I'm saying? We didn't get shit about a few hundred dollars. But so he was doing something

that he should have been embarrassed about doing it in the first place. He wasn't supposed to be doing it. He probably got a wife and kid at home, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's when, you know, in court system and shit, you know, we was going back and forth.

Like, man, what was he doing over there? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? They was like, man, y'all are some shorties anyway. You go do this, you go do that. That's crazy. And you said Big A was with you that night and y'all had ran. Big A got beat up by the cost too or what?

No, he, when I ran toward the building, Big A had stopped. They was chasing me because they actually seen me with the gun. Yeah. So they really didn't need to do nothing to him. It was my other rapids. My rapids that was on my case, Little Wheel. He ran into the building, but I ran on the other side and ran up to the A-Flow.

That's where the latch had to get on the roof. So I went up on the roof and shit. Set up there for a little bit. You know, and I heard them trying to get up there and shit because I had put the stick through the hose before they couldn't open it. But they ended up breaking the stick anyway. But I threw the gun.

off the roof and as soon as I threw the gun off the roof they came up they tackle me and shit somebody was gonna throw me off the roof and yeah they was punching on me slapping on me all type of shit man kicking me in the face they beat my eyes man so big A was he was one of the ones too though like oh yeah big A definitely was one of the ones big A uh he's sneaky though you know what I'm saying Big A one of them all the motherfuckers he didn't want you to know what he was doing. I ain't going to say that because I think Big A did a Zach TV

and on the Zach TV interview he was giving himself away because he kept saying he was smoking on K.I. He kept showing the weed. And then all the documentaries started coming saying that he was one of the ones that said King Vaugh and Big A was the ones to go slide when Butter got shot

and KI got killed. But he was like mocking KI all the time. You know what I'm saying? saying he's smoking on the car and all that type of shit. So he was kind of like... It really did that because of what she did, bro. But with the OD shit? Yeah, she kept, she throwing shit on the internet.

She kept doing it. It was like she was toning it. You know what I'm saying? She was getting under people's skiing. When people really knew that little girl ain't had nothing to do with that shit. How did she get his revolver then? Because when OD, all right, so OD Perry had a picture of a revolver.

And I guess after he got killed, the same gun that he had, she used to post a whole bunch of pictures with that same gun. So that's why she kind of got... That's a 357, and it is not the same gun, bro. See, the internet, y'all fucking it up. It's not the same gun, bro. That's a 357. Anybody can get that 357.

It was a known gun in the hood around the time. It was the gun that broke hit. She did not get that gun, man. But you see her posting it while everybody was thinking that was the same? Because she was toned. She knew what she was doing. she was getting the clout. That's how she got up though.

She used bro name to get up though. She didn't kill him, man. This niggas in the hood that know for sure who killed, you know what I'm saying, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But motherfuckers knew that she didn't do it. You know what I'm saying? So you think when Butter is bragging on DJ Vlad like a month or two ago about how K.I.

Created O Block and whatnot, you think he knows that that's not true? He's just. I think he do. I think he's just big and. his sister up. That's his sister. You know what I'm saying? She got a name. He wants to keep her name alive. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't want people to know the truth. You feel?

Or shit, he could just be steady saying that it's her to keep the heat off of another motherfucker. You feel? But niggas know that little girl ain't killed, bro. I mean, but if she's still with him, like, I don't give her credit. Like, I mean, she rode with the person who did it. Hell no. You ain't do shit. You was

a female. You were sitting by. You know what I'm saying? You didn't squeeze no trigger. of that. It's easy for me to be with you and you didn't just whack the nigga. I ain't whack them. I ain't get no recognition off of that. But niggins still going to want to kill you because they know you in the car. Hell yeah, they're going to want to kill you. Yeah. But did nobody

never want to do nothing to her until she started posting all that stuff on Instagram, bro? Twitter, all of that type of stuff. Ain't nobody want nothing to do nothing to that girl? So that's why Vaughn and Big A was really on her ass because of all the time. Yeah, you know you plan. You know what I'm saying? This shit is for real.

Like you're a female, but a motherfucker guy take you serious, because you really like that. You know what I'm saying? You're a female, but you really like that, though. So a motherfucker got to take you seers. But you're giving her some credit saying she really liked that. I am giving her credit. I'm just saying what they talk about she did to bro. It's not true. It's false information, my nigga. But why you say she really

liked that then? Because I didn't, I didn't see her do shit myself. She didn't got her to shootouts in front of my mama, creole. My mama, you know what I'm saying? looked at this little girl as a daughter. Like, I know her, I've been around her. She'd have been in my crib. You know what I'm saying? She did shit.

I didn't watch her get into a shootout in front of my crib. You know what I'm saying? That's how I know she was like that. But I know she didn't do that to bro. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's just how everybody, like, all y'all, like, all grew up together

and then I guess niggas just pick sides and shit. See, a lot of them is, like, a lot of them I was always seeing because of liberal. liberal hired him over at the crib I'm at the crib You feel So KI coming to your crib Yeah she'll be enough

Who from STL was coming over To Oblock before like it was like a thing Like who you was kicking it with Or EBT STL 63rd Like was FBG Young and Dutchie Popping up with Ooskey I didn't know I mean I seen

Young and Dutchie at my mama crib before You feel Other than that Like on a block or something like that I ain't never seen young and Dutchie, but at my mom in a crib, and we were staying on Shampaign and shit like that. I used to see them and shit. I'll come out the room and see their ass in the career.

But that's little bro, that's his people. That's the same way. At that time, was there anything where he's like, I don't want them niggas over here, or it was kind of cool at the time? Oh, hell no. I never came at a little bro like that. But it was like smoke during that time.

He had them niggas in the crib, knowing there's some shit. Hell yeah, he ain't get no fuck about that. Just like when I used to bring bro, I ain't get no fuck about it. So who you'll bring over there and the Wooski would be seeing And he's like, I don't know that.

I used to bring my own D.P. A1 over there. My own booby didn't have been over my career before. C. Murder didn't have been in that career before while Wooski was in that bitch. You know what I'm saying? Niggas that been in there. And that's the same thing murder that just got locked up. Yeah.

No man, bro was there on that best friends. You ain't see the picture service on the internet? We was wow. How old? What's the age differences? I thought he was younger. Hell, no, me and C murder is the exact same age. Oh, word.

So how did you feel when he got booked for the killing of the FBG Duck? It was crazy because I ain't even want bro to go out like that. You know what I'm saying? Bro got all them kids. Feel you? It's like straight crash out. It's like it's a crash out. It's just me being honest.

It's a crash out. Like, I love bro to death. Even with all the shit that was going on, like I still used to talk to bro. You feel you. But it's like, like I just said on DJU, like y'all just threw your life away. And the only thing y'all getting out of that is a whole bunch of bloggers blogging about y'all on the fucking internet. And prison.

That's all that y'all got from that's out of that situation. You feel me? Some people might look at it like, yeah, you took out duck. You know what I'm saying? They took out duck. When you look at it, though, who the fuck duck ever killed? that was from our block. I mean, all right, so if Doug being a rapper,

and he's the one that making the money and shit, maybe the money that he's making is, like, buying the guns and shit for other niggas. They hated how Doug put that music together. When you put the music together, you know what I'm saying, and the money too, you're right. You know what I'm saying? It's the money too.

So we take off the head where their money going to come from. Yeah. And Vaughn had helped to make him like the deep. default villain of the other side, you know? So it's like to the general public, Dyn was a massive W for O'Block, right? That's how they look at it. It's definitely how they look at it like, okay,

you know what I'm saying? We got to do where they money at now. You know what I'm saying? Where they're going to get their money from now. And he's the only one with motion musically as well. You know, he's the only one who could have became like a bigger star realistically. Then they look at that liberal, like he's slow.

so they're saying he's over with you know what I'm saying and then you know a lot of them niggas ain't on the scene no more I mean butter I don't know if he consider himself fbg no more but butter out here getting some money and shit like that but I don't know if he playing no get back games

yeah because they'd be saying that the dead bitch's song like I think even Boosie said it Bruce he'll be won on Vlad one time he was saying that I told Duck not to make that song like he shouldn't put that song out even though it's probably more than just a song but like what you thought

when you heard about the dead bitch's song where he really was dissing some disrespectful shit you feel me like liberal song that was disrespectful as fuck I think he got one of the most disrespectful songs to come out of the dress shit Ruski computers

I think that is the most disrespectful song I will give it top one too I ain't gonna lie you know I think that's number one and it was like when I heard it I was I was pissed because you locked up at the time who used he come with the computer

song dissing everybody he over dissing everybody he literally dissed like mad people in that shit how did that affect you and jill because i know niggas looking at you like this your brother's your fucking brother boy exactly so what was it what was that day like the song i had called you know one of the guys from the jail and shit he was like bro i ain't he gonna lie your brother this time he he went overboard bro i ain't even gonna lie he he did too much you know what i'm like what they're like man, he dropped a song called computers and that motherfucker going crazy. So I just, I didn't even hit a full song.

Do you know I ain't never hit that full song until I just got out? Oh, word, that's crazy. Never heard that full song until I just got out. And why is that? You didn't have access to like hearing the phone, the shit? No, I was doing the, I listened to it over the phone. But when I started hearing certain shit,

I used to just be like, man, no, I can't listen to that, bro. You know what I'm saying? Especially when you feel me, I felt like, you know what I'm saying this my brother but I ain't no bad ass nigga I felt like he should have left Kita up out of that song you know what I'm saying because she ain't had nothing to do with

none of the beef that we hear going on on the streets for him so I feel like he should have left her out of the song you feel him but everything else he definitely bogus for all that shit but I mean I couldn't do shit about it it's out of my hands I can't do shit about it what I'm supposed to do

what my brother asked killed my brother But you locked up at the time So was there any like Niggas wanted to fight you and shit For what your brother is saying Or any of that? There didn't nobody

Want to fight me in jail, bro Yeah There didn't nobody want to play with me in jail, man I was unpredictable And I fought And I can fight You know what I'm saying? Like

People, they'll play with me Over the internet But in person Like you ain't nobody Never played with me Like In jail, none of them that shit. I've been fighting since

I was little, bro. Like, I will fight. How many years you spent the jail in total? At least 15. Damn. All right, because the first year, the first bid was the arm robbery. And then the second one was the, uh, it was aggravated battery with the fight on. And now, all right, so, because you got out of jail

in 2014, or when did you get out of jail? January 30th of 2014, got right back locked up. In May? No, in July. June. No, July. July. July, yeah, you're right. Because you on, King Vaughn caught the case in May.

That's when they had put the, you know, the little shit out. But when I ain't going to T.O. Let me see, 2000. Oh, it happened in May, but you got charging like July, like a couple months after the happened or whatever. July 22nd is when I got officially charged. So you was off about six months? Yeah. I'm going off my, I still remember the fucking number.

2014 07-22665 Mm-hmm All right And that all right So what they say is They said that you and King Vaughn Was at a party Some nigger was in there

Malcolm Stucky He was at a party And some other dudes was at a party Y'all niggas left the party And y'all came back Malcolm ended up getting shot And you got booked for it They said you and King Vaughn

got charged with the murder of Malcolm That's what happened A lot of people Is giving out false information I was never at the party, my nigga, to begin with. They said King Vaughn came and got you. I was came and got. I was came and got.

And then I went back to the party. All right. So what's the call, like, King Von telling you some niggas at the party he ain't fucking with? Yeah, you know, it was like a, I don't need to come grab me real quick. Niggas over here playing with me, mugging me and shit. We're out of the battle, you know? Who was really at the party that Kim Von wasn't fucking with? Like, where y'all know them nigs from?

They opts. They like STL? No. They off shields and shit. One of them is Jiro, one of them off shield. All right. So y'all at a random party, and then y'all end up running in. King Vaughn at the party initially with?

Like, who was he was by himself? No, he was with one of his sisters. And the nigga CJ and another nigga that ain't live, Jals. The thing that I was thought was interesting about it is that for somebody like Vaughn, he could leave the party, but he can't, like, leave the party instead. He got to leave the party and then come back to handle the fact that he felt disrespected by anybody there.

Sometimes that's how that shit go. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? People look at it. Like, he came and got me. He came and got me for a reason. That just tells you how much pride he had as a person, though, because that proves that he could have just left. He could have gone home.

Probably never would have heard about that. Everybody can walk away, you feel me? It's always about pride when you're a street nigger. Because I don't want you to go back and tell nobody that you bitch me at a party. You hold me at a party. You hit me nervous to the point where you made me leave. I don't want you walking around talking about that because it's going to get everywhere. So what was the call like?

Like, was they bitching them out at the party where he's like, I got to come back. They want to bitching them out. They were just, you know, stand out of them and shit like they wanted to get on that. All right, for sure. And then I guess y'all circled back and came. And then multiple people got shot, but one person did die, which was Malcolm Stucky. And then...

But in the Trappler-Ros video, he points out that Vaughn never really mentioned his name and some of the trolling that he would go on to do about some of the other people that he was connected to, which makes people feel like he maybe had some remorse about how that situation went down and didn't want to talk about it, like the way he might have talked about some other situations.

Because Dougal was innocent, man. That's right. That's what they suspect, yeah. Even the most hardened killers going to have some type of heart. You feel? Do it was an innocent bystander. He ain't had shit to do with none of that shit that was going on. So a motherfucker going to feel some type of way about that.

I don't get a fuck of who you is unless you just real cold-blooded. But as you care about motherfuckers, you care about your people's in, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You don't know what I'm saying? nothing to do with that shit innocent to the point as in he not even from that hood or he's from that hood but he just wasn't he he he was just one of them

niggas they used to come around he had a job he was going to school and everything you know what I'm saying he was just one of the niggas they used to come around bro yeah and shit he got caught up and some shit that ain't had nothing to do with him

and then like two other people got shot that night as well and they survived Yeah, I think Little Tim, he lived And a little milk, he lived too And then A girl ended up snitching on You or she

All right, so You got a phone call from a chick That she was messing around with And she was at the police station And she had you on speakerphone Trying to really set you up and line you up Yeah, yeah And that's how you got implicated in everything

Yeah, because ain't nobody know nothing about me They ain't know who I was or none of that the whole situation came from her giving little to him her phone number this is after the fat no this is before anything happened when they was at that party she gave her look to him her phone number

so when the police was questioning him and shit he was like man I was here with my girl who out to bam that's how I met this little chick here that's what created the chain reaction and that's how I got brought up into it because they like man who you was with and she said my name and shit and then they had her to call me

to see what I was going to say and shit but I knew what was going on you feel like she telling me they got surveillance of me leaving the crime scene and shit like that like my face my actual face and shit they got surveillance type shit I'm just like shit they ain't got no surveillance

on me because I went over though I don't know what you're talking about you know what I'm saying but she kept on trying to say shit that's going, you know, try to give me to... Incriminate yourself. You know what I'm saying? Say something. And then when we got off the phone,

she called me back again, but she called me back from a different number this time. And this time, she, she, the one told me, you know what I'm saying? Even though I knew, she told me those shoes. Like, they just had me in the station, you know what I'm saying? They was listening to the phone call.

They tried to get me to get you to say that you was there and shit like that. We were out of the bound. And that second phone call, she's still with the police, though, right? No. She was going. Keeping it real with you. Yeah, she was trying to keep it real now.

Like, look, they were just trying to get me to get you to, you know what I'm saying, say you was there or something like that. You know what I'm saying? But I was still trying to put the pieces together on how the fuck they even knew my name or anything. And at the time, who was this girl to you? I was fucking with her. She was a little bitch I was fucking with. So you was fucking with her before a little Tim was? Yeah.

She was a hoe. Everybody was fucking with her. But were you really disappointed that she was. make that phone call for the police because she didn't really have to do that, right? I kind of didn't because she's a woman. Like, they'd be putting pressure on women like anything involving kids

or anything like that. Like, they know how to mix that shit up with them women. You know what I'm saying? You got some strong women out there. It's going to be like, man, fuck you. Suck my dick. But it's a minority. You feel? Even dudes. I mean, dudes tell all the fucking time in that situation. I ain't, I ain't,

I ain't even feel no type of way about it at first. You know what I'm Because I knew what was going on. I knew they had what they was on with her type shit. You know what I'm saying? Man, her mama was kind of an important person. You feel? So I guess she felt like she had to make that shit right.

So when Vaughn called you, though, and kind of like gave you an incident, like, I am going to pull up because the same, y'all fucking with the same bitch at this time. You're in a little too. Oh, that ain't the reason I pulled up, though. For sure. Pulled up because this my homie.

He needed my help. Yeah. This ain't got nothing to do with no bitch. All right for sure. Hell now. This is my honey, he needed my help. It was a no questions asked type of thing.

Like you were just, Vaughn told you you needed you. You were there. That's how it always is on the block if you really with that shit. You feel me? As you're my homie, you call me up like,

hey, look. All right here I come right now. Tiro locked up at the time because they said Cahin Vaughan and Tiro was usually back-to-backslot and but then when T-Roy had got out of their and put him on the house where it was being and shit

oh so he was out just on the band so he was out of staying in the crib and shit he had bonded out and shit all right so then you get you and bond both get charged who get who go who get arrested first he was already booked on

what was that a pistol case yeah but a female took the charge or something shit like that manna yeah he was already already booked on that and then I got booked afterwards I got booked they came and got me I think in June I don't even fucking remember when they came and got me I just know the day I went to the county but it was a while later yeah it was like two months three months after yeah you feel me and she yeah they told

me what was going on and shit gave me like basically to run down the scoop or whatever was going on and shit like that and I had already knew anyway because nobody know who I am. Nobody. You know what I'm saying? And it was like how my name steady popping up in that shit? Like, how has my name steady coming up in it?

Dude, mama ain't know me. How the fuck she knows my name? How'd she found out my name? How do you think she found out? Oh, girl, right? Hell yeah. My fuck started telling them my name, started telling them that

trying to get me to be the one who was the shooter and all of that. How does she know, though? Like, how was she even able to put her name in there? She just assumed. Who the bitch? Yeah. She was there.

She rode with y'all? Yeah. She rode with you and King Vaughn back to the party. Oh, yeah. So the chick that was in the car with your- That's how she was able to put the phone call together where she tried to get, you know what I'm saying, give me to admit the shit over the phone.

For sure. She drove back with us. They gave her immunity to get on the stand and say that shit. Why was y'all sliding around with a female knowing that it could even? Dumb niggas. Yeah. Dumb niggas, bro. We feeling like she.

I really ain't know it like that. That was his people. You feel me? I came home and, you know what I said? She wanted to start fucking with me, so I started fucking with that and shit. But that was his people. You feel me?

I ain't know nothing about Shorty. I just knew her name. You know what I'm saying? And knew that she was a dick, even. So she told on you, and you got charged before King Vaughn got charged. Right. And then how did King Vaughn then?

Because they say that you told on King Vaughn in an interrogation video. I did. what I did was I felt like I did to get me up out of the jam that everybody else was putting me in. There's two scenarios. They said, all right. They said that in the interrogation video, you kind of implicated Vaughn. Right. What did you say in an interrogate?

Because there's just two, the appeal, and then there's the interrogation video. And then there's more shit, too. It's shit that ain't even in that shit. The only reason why you see what you see in that appeal is because that's what I put in there. You feel him? That ain't everything. So what you told them in the interrogation video or an interrogation room

is what got violent, charged on the murder? No, he was getting charged regardless. I didn't get him charged. Yeah. He was getting charged regardless from what she said and what the other people said at the party.

But what did you say that they considered snitch because everybody started trying to say you was a snitch from the interrogation shit? They always go say you were a snitch when you ended up telling them people something that you really ain't supposed to be telling them, you feel?

What I'm telling them people is what I'm trying to get up out of them jam then they can shot at me first you know what I'm saying I was out there I was shooting you feel him I basically I'm trying to plead a self-defense fee

a self-defense and trying to get up out of the situation all together especially now that I know like how you know my name how you know my name how you know my name and why is everybody saying it was me like why is y'all so I already knew what was going on

y'all trying to get him off the hook put me on the hook but at the same time like when we went in I could have been home, bro. Like, I could have been home. Like, if I was just stuck to what I was doing, bro, I could have been home. I had to get on the stand or nothing, bro.

I would have been home. So in the interrogation room, you told him, you never told, you never implicated Vaughn name. You were just telling him that you did it? No, I did say his name. I did say he was with me. So you said you and Vaughn went in, but you said, y'all shot in self-defense.

That's what she was telling me. No, I said, I did. I ain't say he shot no motherfucker about it. But you just, by telling him. him he was with you, you kind of just put him in it. Right. That's considered snitcher. Yeah.

That's considered snitching. And why did you even say his name? Because they didn't have his name at first, did they? Who? They had them because of old girl, or they had them because you said it. Man, they had them because of all them, the dude, mama, everybody, his homies, them that he, that from his old block killer ward, I didn't get him booked, my nigga. Don't let the people fool you.

I didn't get him booked. Yeah. All them people in that crib that said his name got him booked. Dude mama got him booked. who told them people she told him before he left out her career. Don't bring no shit to my career, bro. That's how he got booked. I ain't get that nigga, book.

So then in the appeal, what did you say about Vaughn to... The appeal was basically shit. Y'all don't know if I'm the one shot dude or if he shot dude. Which is kind of like almost snitching on him because of saying you making it seem like, it could have been him who shot. That's what it is. I ain't ducking it? But was it something where the streets combined,

you saying you were with Vaughn and you saying that you shot and the people kind of like took that and ran with it and took that as you telling on Vaughn? See, the people ain't taking around with it until he got out of jail until the fan shit started going on. You know what I'm saying?

At first, it was still what it was, you feel? I'm trying to get up out of this gym, you know what I'm saying? But the fame and shit bro him, you know what brought it like, everybody like, oh, fuck dude, you know what I'm saying? He disloyalior and shit like this.

And that's another thing I want to talk about. Why he told is not about me. Why he told it's not about me. Do you think it's about anybody in particular? Yes, I know who the fuck is about because I figured it out. I found out. But it's secret? It's not a, they got a secret.

Is it P-Far? Who didn't? He made the song about Trey Fah. Trey Fah, all right. But you took credit for it You said the song was about you Because they told me It was, another motherfucker had told me

It was about me But when I started talking Like to old the motherfuckers From the block and shit like that Like who was reaching out to me Like man, bro Motherfucker would just want to see you win Like, but that song ain't about you

Bro, don't let motherfuckers make you think That song was about you. This ain't something I took credit for because I wanted some fucking cloud or something You think I want to take credit of a fucking song They're talking about a snitch? Not just, but in the interview You did say that song was

about you and you said he killed the song too so like you kind of like stamped it like even if it was because you was under the impression that the song was about you but you still was like he killed the song like it's a good ass song he did kill a song it was a good song but if you pay attention of the shit he's saying in the song you would know the song game about me so at first you but at first you even thought it was about you though that that's what they was telling me they're like man you didn't hear that song that vaughn made about you what bars do you feel like are clearly about somebody else like the dude got the o't the o't ever been o tuff a day i ain't never been o t o't before in my life.

Never been OTF a day before in my life. And if he was going to put a motherfucker, he was going to put a motherfucker and he was going to make it seem like it's me, he's going to put somebody in video with dreads instead of put him with a haircut. That's the easiest. And the same thing he's talking about, I could have bonded you out. Vaughn't had no fucking money to bond me out, man. He didn't have no money.

He didn't have no clout. He didn't have no fame. How was he going to bond me out? He could have just been rapping at that point. No, he was talking about Trey 5 Because now he got money I could have bonded you out You could have stayed at my house

We could have figured it out He's talking to Trey 5 bro That song is not about me Yeah, because that's the person That they said They said it was about Tray 5 And then when you started saying that It was about y'all like

Oh damn, it could have been about you So why would the Trey 5 snitch on Vaughn about He didn't snitch on him He did snitch on Vaughn't. Oh, he just told in general He told on the different situation Which made Vaughn look at it like You know what I'm saying

you bogus. So he's kind of like personalizing that experience though and making it like it was about him in the song. Right. The song was never about me. When I found that out, I wasn't even to say nothing about it.

You feel you? Because I've been found it out. My fuckers been reaching out to me and Ben told me. Like, bro, stop claiming that shit. He was not talking about you. Feel me? Everybody in the hood know who he's talking about.

It surfacing there well. You feel? The only reason why a motherfucker think he was talking about me now is because I actually admitted it because that's what I thought. That's what the motherfucker here told him. I don't know.

I bet I was booked. He was out. But if you really pay attention, like, everybody know who he was talking about. Even the fans know who the fuck he was talking about. Who is straight-fired you? He from Obloat? Yeah, that was one of my best friends.

And he, who did he snitch him? They say he told him looks good at McAdu on anybody that they had going on. Macadoo there now. And looks good, got like 20-some years. All right, so that's why the original Wahito came. So when Kim Vaughan got out of jail, where you guys, because I seen somewhere where you said you and King Vaughn,

like when he originally got out, y'all was still like in communication. Still kicking it. Still kicking it. Pitches everything, bro. Still kicking it. Money, calling his phone, everything. Oh, bro. So he wasn't mad at you for what you did?

Hell, no. It got to the. point well, like I said in an interview before, you want to get to a little bro, cut me out the equation. You cut me out the equation by telling everybody that I'm a snitch. Everybody think I'm snitch, the hood don't respect me no more, go get whiskey. You feel? That's all that shit was about.

They knew they couldn't touch them if I still had my status. You weren't going to be able to lay a hand on them if I still had my status. When I got that shit stripped, feel, you. Where in the streets, because in the jails, my shit was still stamped. Fee. Yeah. But in the streets, it got stripped. So now everybody against Wooski now.

Everybody woofing about Wooski now. But I ain't get no fuck, though. But a lot of times, like, a rumor can be just as big as the truth, especially in someone like jail, whether it's, like, so hard to prove anything. So was it, like, a big conversation while you were locked up or no? Nah, niggas always used to come to me and shit, like, damn, what var on? Like, he wasn't just on none of that shit when he was in.

in here. Like shit, I don't know. Like, I don't get no fuck. He out there, I'm in hell. You see? I'm gonna do this time. I got 28 years. And you never really got to have a conversation with Von after that? About that situation, no. About that situation, no. Like, he used to tell motherfuckers to tell me to call him and shit, but it's like calling him. Like, I know what that conversation will lead to. You know what I was going to lead back to my little brother and what's going on out of the, like, I don't get no fuck what you think about me.

You know what I'm saying? What's going on with my little bro? And then niggas claiming shit, they ain't had nothing to do it. You felt like Vaughn was taking credit for it too much by putting shit about him getting shot in the theater on the songs? You feel, you claim some shit, you ain't had nothing to do with it.

The fans think he had something to do with it because the day before little bro got shot, they was on live, and he told him, I got something special for you tomorrow. And Trapler Ross, like, lays all that out and, like, has tweets from King Vaughn, like, right after Wooski got shot in the head and stuff. And he kind of tries to make it make sense in terms of, like, oh, this might have been Vaughn making reference to this right afterwards. No. No.

Everybody know who did that shit. That's out in the streets. Everybody knows who did it. But everybody wants to always say that just because Vaughn ain't pulled the trigger on me and ain't had nothing to do it. That's the thing though Like even if it was King Vaughan Luton homie's doing it I mean ain't that still

King Vaughan sending niggas out To do some shit Sorting there from 800 Is Lilvan shorties? I didn't know No So you saying so It was some niggas from 800

Who did that to U-Sk? Man everybody know who did that To my brother The whole streets know The nigger who did that to him It's books He got charged for it No he on some other shit

That he ain't never coming home for us Just know that Right So you said King Vaugh was just taking credit for it Yeah of course He gonna take credit for it Who wouldn't

Because the video was, because that's why I assumed he had something to do with it because he was on live with him and they said, I got something for you tomorrow and then Wooski ended up getting shot in the head. Right. But, okay, it could be a similar situation where Vaughn told Wooski he was going to die, and Wooski told Vaughn, you're going first. So that means Wooski had something to do with what happened to Vaughn? No, we don't.

You were locked up when you found out about Whiskey, getting shot? Yeah. I thought he was dead. I came out of my cell. I used the phone. I called the old little chick He used to fuck with her name Tree Tree

You know she was still sending me money You know that was sus Yeah And she told me she was like She was like you ain't heard And then she just kept on saying I'm so sorry I'm so sorry

I'm just like what you're trying to say I ain't killed my brother And she was like no But he ain't a coma He got shot in the head And it was like It was over with after that I fought a nigga in a child hall

A couple days later in there I think You fought somebody that you thought was connected to or just a random, just taking the aggression out? No, it wasn't no random taking an aggressor out. He came up to the table while we were sitting at the table. He didn't know whooski was my brother. And he was like, man, you heard about what happened to the whiskey bitch

as they caught his ass, hit him in his shit. And they sent me over the air, shit. And right before I took off on him, my homie kills here told him, like, man, you don't know this foe's brother right here? I took off on him, shit. I don't want to say it. Yeah, damn. Who was the dude that you got in a fight with?

Shit, I don't know. I was just a random movie. Yeah, I don't know. For sure. You know, it's, it's, it's, I've got fans there well. You see me? It's fans air well. So everybody wanted to be on his dick no matter what, you know what, you know what I'm saying?

Even the niggas that was in jail. So when a little bro got shot, you had the motherfuckers in jail that was acting crazy. Like, yeah, they didn't call them and all of this and all of that. They finally got his ass type of shit. You know what I'm saying How long You and Vaugh? Like when y'all was in jail

Yeah How long y'all was in jail? Same decks and everything With each other Word So what was Vaughn like in jail Like he was on the same type of time And shit?

Yeah, he was on that He was fighting all the time And shit Because you see the videos That's leaking And him slipping out cuffs Fighting niggas and shit I slipped him out of them

Cuffs Oh, that was you in the video? Yes Yeah, I think it was Yeah All right, matter of fact A video just leaked Of your brother

Actually jumping over the the gate to get on a get on the fight with uh black gate benzo for fat shotty yeah what was that that was in the whole different division i ain't i wasn't in that division we was in supermax yeah division nine little bro then started over there in that division but that was over some little bro's just felt like you know what i'm saying she had fat shot at his homie and a motherfucker playing with his home trying to play with his homie in front of the ceos because as you can see benzo bust on him in front of a white shirt yeah You feel me?

And that's when LeBro came down and did his thing and shit. He was in that fighting, too. You got any videos that's going to leave from Cook County and shit? You're going to fight with the other? They already got one, but you don't see nothing. Yeah. I got two on Marcelli in the cell. They come smack the cell, bring me up out of there and shit.

But you can't see the fight or not because it was in the cell. Oh, right. How did you feel about the video, King Vaughn when he was in a, I guess he was trying to transfer a change day? Oh, when he's playing the road. Yeah, he said that he was gay and shit just to switch decks or whatever. He was just playing the road, bro. Some niggas do that.

Me personally, I wouldn't do it. But some niggas actually use that route to get around their homies. It ain't that he a fucking fag for real, man. Yeah. He's using that shit to try to get on. This deck weak as fuck. Ain't nobody over here. I want to go where the members at.

Is it honorable, though? Not the gay shit, but like even just in general of switching decks. Say if your ops is on that deck, ain't you supposed to just go in there and just to handle your business? Yeah, but that ain't what he was doing. He wasn't switching decks because there was niggas over there

that he was fighting. He was switching decks to get around niggas who got the weed, who always drinking the hooch, you know what I'm saying, who always going on visits with different bitches, who always on the flow with the phone. You know what I'm saying?

That's why niggas be moving around. I don't think he ever banked itself off a deck where there was some niggas at. Besides that, when they said when he was going to check in the PC, I guess he bumped it to a little day. He said he don't want to go to PC no more. Yeah. Was Little Jay like that?

You know anything? Like, you've seen him before? He can squabble a little bit. He can squabble a little bit. You seen him in there messing around any punks? I ain't seen any personally. You feel me? But I didn't bumped it to the nigger and asking him why he was in PC and shit.

shit. He told him because he's tired of getting junk on. He says too many fan niggas. You got niggas from out west trying to fight him. You got niggas from Ovee's west, north, the fucking suburbs, everywhere. Everybody's just trying to fight them because they're trying to hold to other niggas dicks.

How much does that change your opinion of somebody like Lil J when you find out that they into that freaky shit? I mean, that's on him. That I... It ain't around me. he doing this thing.

It's 2024. It's a lot of niggas out here doing that shit. They just ain't got caught doing the check. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of motherfuckers out here doing that shit. If he was from where you're from, would that be a problem with him? We had a motherfucker like that before on our block.

Sydney, or what's her name? Sydney Summer. She said there was a couple. Sydney Star. Sydney Star. That's the second time I did that. Who fuck is that? The trans chick who's on Ray J's new reality show?

he said he got down with the guy down she said she got a couple o block bodies oh tell her to put their ass out though she probably try I think she'd probably try but she's also she was saying that it was like 10 years ago plus

so it will probably be people we never heard of well you you probably heard but shit oh no she didn't seem like she was eager to let it out she didn't want to tell anybody so she probably do that little killer so all your relationships with

old block is pretty much over with like you ain't really fucking I mean, it's niggas. It's niggas that still reach out to me to this day that I talk to. That's in the overall, actively and shit? That's actively in a, like right now. Who, like, E-Dog, Gleash?

I can't tell y'all out of there, bro. I can't tell you all that, bro. You know what I'm saying? You can troll me. But you still got love for some niggas. Hell, yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Just lead a little bro alone. That's the biggest part of why you don't really go around or want to be down with them just because of the shit with Wooski? My little brother's shit. How was you a neighbor Woofski? Like, how did you trust Wooski when you got out of the jail? Like, you ain't know where his head was at?

Like, it's always been where he, y'all knew. Y'all never. Easy with us because, bro, this, like I said, this ain't somebody that I just met. This ain't a brother that I just met. This is a brother that I raised in the same house. Like, you know what I'm saying? We ate the same food. You know what I'm saying?

Like, this is my blood brother. This ain't no random person. Like, ain't no beef. coming to that shit. We fought when I came home in 2014. You know what I'm saying? Because he was playing that tough role. I wanted to show him who the big brother was.

Still. You know what I'm saying? But he got up with me that little dick strong as hell, boy. He won? You said you used to let him win just so he could stop in the dog. He wasn't no motherfucker shorty in 2014.

I wasn't letting him to beat me up. Yeah. Hell no. But he's strongest hell, though. He had a strong-ass grip on my motherfucker on. I'm in my legs. How do you feel about, because, you know, Vaughn was going around, like, just mocking him, saying ever since he got shot, he ain't the same anymore.

What do you think about that? Do you feel like Wooski's a little different? I feel like he a little different only because it's a traumatic experience. I don't know nobody that's going to get shot in the head and ain't going to be traumatized from it. You know what I'm saying? It had changed anybody. I don't get to fuck how tough you is. You know what I'm saying?

You get hitting your head with that bullet. That'll change your whole life. Like, man, shit, I don't want to do that no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a traumatic experience, and they call shit. Like, little bro got to take meds behind this shit. He has seizures, bro. He don't take pills because he's slow.

Yeah. He got to take the medicines to stop having the seizures. So was some type of brain damage or some? Or? I think the bullet probably did cause a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But me and little bro.

talk all the time. We sit down, we talk all the time. LeBroix, no way, I'm gonna tell you that now. He's still the same person. LeBroo just scared about all this shit that's going on out here right now. LeBroix ain't trying to get caught up in no fair case, and there's niggas on these interviews that's doing a lot of talking. You feel? And LeBro ain't trying to talk. That's why it's hard to get him on interviews.

You know what I'm saying? He's scared to go to the feds, bro, because he feel that shit coming. you know what I'm saying that's why he don't talk on interviews it ain't that because he's slow or none of that shit he'd be genuinely trying to watch what he's saying out of his mouth

but he won't say nothing crazy and end up in the feds bro and then who wanted to get shot in the fucking head again oh you're right hell no I wasn't either but by far is he slow man he's not slow

how you feel when you be hearing of King Vaughn saying that and all the songs and shit was it like I mean I mean I I ain't felt no type of way because the simple fact, that's, that's, that's, that's what niggas in the streets do. But when Adam did it.

I was wondering if you even knew. But when Adam did it, it was bogus because this is the outside of looking in on what's going on in our hoods and our shit, you feel it? Would the Adam say that you seen? Because I quoted the song. He quoted the song. I synced it on the internet. All right.

It's like, he quoted it. And I'm like, hold on, who the fuck is this? So I looked them up and shit and I sent them. I'm like, oh, this is the fucking. white man, you're fucking porn star and all type of shit he got all this

fucking money and shit like that man and he focused on what's going on in the hood and shit and I'll just you know what I'm saying like it was blowing

the fuck out of me because I'm like it's on the outside looking in I got shot in my head sorry dogs tripped me oh I thought somebody

was coming no no it's just a dog no you know what I said I got shot in my head it was a traumatic experience you feel me then you got somebody like Adam

he on the outside looking in and he's speaking on it you know what I'm saying so in the hood that's like you choose the size you know what I'm saying

so not everybody looking at Adam like oh Adam with with Vaughan though you feel that's their homie type shit that'll make a motherfucker want to do something behind that shit because he got a lot of love

out there still in them streets you know what I'm saying even though I don't think nobody gonna be that stupid though I said some little shit about him an interview so then him or I heard his girl DMs me

and starts really tripping out saying a bunch of crazy shit. So then I post a screenshot of the conversation and that was my caption. It was like he changed something different, whatever, which I totally agree. Over the line. I can talk shit to somebody without making light of that or like

using a quote from somebody that's in a rival gang. It basically makes me look like I'm co-signing that rival gang, which I don't really want to get into that. So I did apologize to him and we had some conversations after that, although he never actually came for the interview. But yeah, definitely. He's going to come? You think?

This is a good step towards it? He's going to come. I already been talking to him. He's going to come. I'm going to be with him. I ain't going to be in the interview. I'm just coming out here with him. You know what I'm saying?

Because I want him to do his own thing. I want to be his own man standing on his own two feet. It's kind of weird because he's like famous but reluctantly famous now at this point. But then everybody has such a fascination with him that they keep getting him to do interviews and shit, even though he doesn't seem like he's all the way comfortable with it. He really don't. I think the DJU interview that we just did together was, like, the most comfortable he didn't got.

Because he, like, opening up. And he know I ain't going to let him say nothing. He ain't supposed to be saying, no fuck away. I think it's coming along, you know what I'm saying? He got songs he working on the shit. He didn't even came to me out the blue. Talk about do I want to start a podcast with him and shit. Wow, that would be crazy.

That would be hard. Like, out the blue. Like, I didn't suggest this. Yeah. He came to me. talking about a podcast and I'm like what the fuck how do you feel about butter being the superhero for wuski though where when I get into it with wuski all of a sudden buddha is like

going hard for him and that's like his public defender now I don't know shit's tricky I don't know I don't know what that situation like you feel I guess butter just felt like shit when nobody else saying I guess he felt like he had to say something because he'd be on all the fucking platforms you know what I'm saying He's the GD Avenger. Acting crazy with everybody and doing all type of crazy ass shit.

Could you and Butter be in the same room? Can we be in the same room? I'd be in the same room, Butter. I ain't got no problems with Butter. You'd be on a podcast with him? I heard him say some slick shit while he was on y'all, y'all, y'all platform. How you? Talking about he gave me a pass.

Ain't no nigga, never gave me no pass. Oh, shit. Never. Don't ever get on TV talking about you gave me no pass because it didn't happen. You never seen him. never he's never ever ever had the ups on me and gave me a pass bro

at my mama house man I was always strapped in that bitch every time I came out that room and knew they was in there out here at my shit how you give me a pass one of those passes getting thrown out how you know whiskey wasn't something like the same way you was doing for whiskey

like that my brother was like what whiskey's telling niggas and that's my brother giving him pass no he was speaking on the situation where he was at my house oh so he's saying he gave you a pass in your own career One no nigga ever in my house And gave me no pass

Because there ain't no nigga Was ever in my house He had the ups on me Every time I come out my room I hit that bitch in my hand If I was on that I could have been getting on that But I want to know that

I got respect for my little brother Them his homies And this time How many people living in your household At this time? Six No, seven Including my mama

My mama got six kids Is your mama Like is she Because she considered Her self a street person Or? My mama used to be a street person. Like back in the days, you know what I'm saying?

She had a fair show with all that other shit. You know what I'm saying? My mom won't be on none of that shit. No more I'm trying to live the rest of her life out. Yeah. What's her thoughts on, like, all the shit in Chicago? Because I'm pretty sure she sees some of the documentaries and she's hit to a lot of this shit. She'd be knowing that it's cap.

She knows that it's cap. She's from the streets. So when she be watching them and shit, she'd be like, I'm going on that line. You know what I'm saying? How tapped in this she, though? Like she tapped in enough to like, damn, like she kind of seen some of the documentaries and shit. Oh, yeah. She'd be watching that shit all the time.

I call her ass and I had a documentary going on in the background. Like, who the fuck you watching now? She's like this shit with blood money or something like that. Again, you just watch everything. People were trying to say that King Vaughn backdoor blood money. For what, though? They're saying that boss top wasn't fucking with blood money or some shit. So that was a joke.

It was a rumor where they were saying that they were mad at Cheeky for signing blood money over boss top man he didn't get boss top a deal so King Von and T. Roy they'd be saying King Vin and T.Roy killed blood money and then they'd be saying K.I. killed blood money too. Those are the rumors on online. So that was enough

because of Sosa saying blood money, that was enough for us to back though one of our own homies. Right. That seems like a crazy explanation. That sound dumb as hell. Like that don't happen in the streets, bro. We going backdow

our homie because he got signed bad bro and top didn't they said it was some jealousy where i guess boss top thought he was the one that should have got the record deal or whatever and the cheek he just gave it to his cousin so niggas just wasn't really feeling that how we was moving boss top would have been the half the one to kill him because ain't no we're not in the back though our homie because you're mad at him yeah like that shit don't even make sense so yeah a lot of the documentaries you can't really just believe but what about the trap you can take certain shit out of it though You can take certain out of it. Some of that shit be right.

All right. The Traveloor Ross documentary got 10 million views and less than. I don't even think it's been out for a whole year yet. I don't even think all think of thing. The Tribal King Vaughn documentary. Well, basically they were saying a lot of shit, but one thing is they were saying that King Vaughn, Traveler Ross said King Von is a serial killer.

Do you agree? I can agree with that. I can agree with it. A person who commits a series of murders often with no apparent motive and typically following a characteristic predictable behavior pattern. My issue with that is that like a guy who's in the Army is not a serial killer. He ain't a serial killer then. Because they're saying he doing it with no particular motive.

You know what I'm saying? Right. The motive is extremely transparent. Yeah, like we had a motive on why we was doing the shit we was doing. I would say he would no serial killer, but he will kill you. My thing is this is like even when I'm talking to my kid and I'm breaking down like a movie that she's into when I'm talking about the good guys and the bad guys. It's like, as an adult,

I know that there aren't really like good guys and bad guys in the real world for the most part. Like there are, but everybody is more complicated than that. When we're talking about like young dudes in Chicago who get basically like radicalized into the gang lifestyle at 12, 13, 14 years old, I actually think it's probably that simple in their head.

We're the good guys and these other guys that we're into it with. They're the bad guys. And that's it. It's like the only thing about, a K.I. or a King Vaughn or whatever is that they really believe the shit and actually act upon it. Which a lot of people believe it,

but they're not brave enough to go out and actually, you know, get into these situations, right? Now I like the people that are scared that don't want to get into the situations. You know what I'm saying? That's keeping people to fuck out of jail. That box ain't no place you want to be. But you could say that,

having sat down for 15 years of your life. Tell me about it. It ain't nothing in there a man so won't, bro, unless you're bisexual or something. But ain't nothing in there a man so won't. You're around a man all day. You feel, me. You got to do what the guards here to do all day. You probably get two phone calls a day.

And now they, like, 10-minute phone calls now, I think. When I left, I think there was like 10 minutes, 15-minute phone calls now. I think it's 10. But, you know what I'm saying? The food garbage, the food bogus. You spend all this money on commissary. You gotta pressure your people into visits. People don't answer the phone.

You lose in family members. People dying on you while you're in there. It ain't nothing in that man, so won't. Now, one thing, they got you sleeping on this flat-ass mattress that feel like you're sleeping on steel, then you fuck away. When you were locked up for those 15 years, or at least the last bitch you was doing, who was really looking out for you?

Like, could you go to whiskey from him for anything? Like, I used to reach out to a little bro than him. Sometimes they'll put a little bread together. and shit, like, they'll grab $10 from each other and shit, but it really was like my mama. My deity, my grandma, my aunties, shit, my sisters, plus my little chick that I was fucking with at the time. She was always making sure I was straight. Like, I wasn't fucked up at all while I was just locked up, you know what I'm saying?

Do you all, so when King Vaughn got out of jail, he didn't instantly just take off and start becoming successful and y'all still had like a relationship yeah we was kicking it so then when he got around dirk and he kind of blew up when did y'all stop when did the phone call stop the phone call stopped right when you know what i'm saying the first little shit was said about love bro you know what i'm saying like a lot of a lot of motherfuckers don't know they was on face time with each other you know what i'm saying Woski and Vaughn. Yeah, which I heard about. They was on FaceTime with each other.

And both of them were saying, like, you know, one of them was all, Vaughn was on the block and Wooski was all the way down on St. Lawns, but they watching each other from the block. And they on their, like, tweaker with each other, like, you know, I can hit you from all the way down here. I bet I can hit you from right here type shit. Like, they both, like, two fucking demons that was going at it with each other and shit.

And that's when I first realized, like, oh, so he out there, week with a little bro, I know what's going on type shit, because everybody knew nothing. That's my brother, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a ride with my brother. I don't get no fuck what's going on. We had died together around this, bitch.

I don't care. But that's when I really found out, like, shit was fin of the go left. Because he knew I was going to find out about all that shit that was going on anyway. Yeah. So it got to the point where he gave the phone that he had when he first came home, he gave it back to his little chick that he was fucking with.

And I was calling in this shit. He was like, he gave me the phone back. And then I had got the new number and shit, and I had called him. And he said some slick shit out of his mouth. What did he say, tight shit? He was like, man, you steady calling my phone. Like, a motherfucker ain't out here trying to get your brother.

You hear me? Like, you ain't telling me. What I'm saying? Then I'm just like, damn, where all this come from? He hung up the phone, shit, we ain't talk soon. But was this like, he had any music out at this time? Was he still, he wasn't really pop with music? that weak-ass song came out what was to go?

I'll go beat the body eye, so that's when the first song. You're not a fan of that song. No. Really? No. The shit that he got out now is way bad of, like, I ain't gonna lie. King Godreel for so.

You give it to him, stamping it. King of Drew for so. Like, I listen to Dan, all his shit, like, ain't nobody in Chicago fucking with that. Who would you put on the Mount Rushmore drill? I don't know. As my little brother who's still rapping

and doing his thing, I definitely would have him up though. But he ain't rapping no more. Well, he's fintu, but he ain't rapping no more. But just no bias in this from all the people

that's in this drill shit that have been putting music out. You got Vaughn on there on the Mount Rushmore. Of course. He up, though. Who else you got on there? I'm gonna put,

a lot of people don't say it should be like whack-knap, but I'm still putting the herb up though. You feel? because I still fuck with that 2014 heard. And it's hard.

Sosa doesn't just come to mind immediately. Like I said on my DJU interview. Sosa got music, like, but his music can't, it's just, you know what I'm saying? There's certain songs that click to me. Like, I just don't put him up though. I was, I said, like, I gave him the respect for paving the way for Chicago, period. You know what I'm saying? I daren't be crying the king of Chicago because he didn't have put everybody on.

Everybody be saying, like, no, before it was Sosa, y'all forgot about Bum J. You know what I'm saying? But, no, we're talking about drill music. Sosa put the city on for drill music. He paved the way for everybody that's out here rapping drill right now. A lot of people are talking about this lately, but. But why do you think Sosa never said anything after King Vaughn passed? That's because Sosa, one of the smart ones out the hood.

He decided to get his money and not let people keep getting over on him and shit, and he left the hood. So it's like, Sosa don't be evolving himself in that shit no more. And people really mad at him for that. How are you going to get mad at a man that went through everything? and then made it out, and he's trying to stay out. What the fuck? He's doing his thing to me.

People are still pretty shocked that even after he passed, that there wasn't at least a rest in peace post in his mind. It's a lot of bad blood, though. Yeah. It's a lot of bad blood, though. A lot of people, you know what I'm saying? On the outside looking in, don't know. But it's a lot of bad blood that's going on from years.

That's what Takeapone said is that Sosa might be a big enough man to just not speak on it, but he don't ever forget some shit like that where he felt disrespected. People then disrespected them and then, you know what I'm saying, took money and shit like that, stole money and shit,

stole clothes. Paul started when he, that's what they say. They say he stole the clothes and shit, like, how's y'all doing this to somebody that's feeding y'all? Because I'm not giving you what you feel like I should give you?

You feel like you could just take my shit? Yeah. Because you feel like I'm burdened, you like it ain't a million motherfuckers out here that I supposed to be taking care goofy shit I've seen you say

I know we're talking about this again but you said that King Vaughn was a top killer in Chicago on the DJU interview he was a top killer in Chicago you said you said you'd be seeing the list of top five killers and shit and you feel like King Vaughn like he's like number one

over T-Roy because then earlier in the interview I don't want to say that because T-Roy died and Vaughn's still alive to be able to do some more. Yeah. For him. But they up there.

Big Splash Brothers on location. That's a crazy thing. So you're saying they're the top. Because, you know, people, there's always on the list, they always put 0-5-1 Melly on there. I don't know if you know him. He definitely a damn. People got a dude.

Where do you know him from? He used to go with my sister. Oh, word. The sister that was living in Oblock with y'all? My sister, Missy that died. Was that troubling while it was happening there? Yeah, I was booked when I found out, though. Because I had called her, and I heard somebody in the background.

My sister's, I'll be on my sister's house. I'm like, man, who the fuck is dudes you got in the house? And she was like, man, none of your business. And he said his name. He's like, man, so far one melody. I was like, what? I hung up the phone in there thing. Like, my sister asked her up.

But then after a wild shit, I started talking to him on the phone and shit. Like, we would just be, like, tweaking with each other and shit. He used to be like, yeah, you with them niggas, but Wooski, that's my dog. Like, I'll smoke your ass, though, type shit. Were you, like, laughing at them and shit? Hell, yeah, I laugh at that niggas like that, man. That's my thing.

I'm going to laugh at you. Right. Damn. But he was definitely one of those. You know what I'm saying? And if a motherfucker's tear you that he wasn't, bro, that's bad. that's biased all the way around. Yeah.

Because you got to give motherfuckers they credit. He was one of them niggas, man. You know what I'm saying? What about Mubu and him? Like Mubu Crunk with somebody, his name was circling around. I really don't even know them niggas like that. The only one I knew like that was Crump.

Like, I just know Crump from just taunting niggins. Like when Crump fell out with Dirkman, he was just good at talking shit about them. Yeah. That's it. You know what I'm saying? He made himself a famous op. in a short period of time.

You know what I'm saying? And they all used to hang out together. You see us pictures in them together and everything. Like these was homies. Like they kicked it. You know what I'm saying? But then from a motherfucker who know everything about you that's not with you no more,

that's kind of hard. It's like not crump on that with their ass. Now the guy that everybody is kind of putting that mystique behind and hyping up is Tay Savage. John Wick. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. Tay Savage.

Man, Tay Savage usually would be cool as hell. You feel? Me and Tate's how we used to be cool and shit. Like, you know, when we was locked up, we used to be kidding and shit like that. Hey, man, bro, like, yeah, I was fucking with Tate hard. You know what I'm saying? He was doing this thing.

His name always been ringing bells in the streets. And that's because he was small, too. You know what I'm saying? But here go. I'm going to fuck. How big you is? He's still going to fight you. You know what I'm saying?

Do you believe King Vaughn really put $100,000 on Doughead? I don't know. You can say. If he did it, if he didn't, you motherfuckers don't know where that hundred vans came from. You feel like there was that much hate-hating it, and, I mean, hate in King Von Hart for Duck, though? Like, that's a possibility for him to put a hundred-thall up.

That's what I keep going back to, like, who has Duck killed from our block? Like, what would make one hate him so, because he's the one with the money? I mean, the money brought guns for other nigs to do shit, right? You know what I'm saying? But I don't know if it's, like, that much hate. Like, I mean, I could see it, though.

I can see it though Like a motherfucker You know what I'm saying That's their money I'm gonna put this $100K on them and see it I ain't got on more money But it's like when you I think about it like this

When you're gonna put a hundred K on the motherfucker It's because it's He a problem I hate this nigga You know what I'm saying type shit Like he gotta go You know when I watch documentaries About like Texas and Memphis and shit

There's a lot of like People putting money on each other's heads Like left and right Then when you see in Chicago Chicago, you don't hear about that as much. Is that because there's just like literally less people who have money? Yes. And the people who want to kill each other are not exactly like the rich people.

Yeah, that's who. And it's people that don't want you enough. Like if you're a big problem, then somebody probably would jump out there and put some shit on your head. Like, you know what? He's doing too much. We don't have to get him out the way. You know what I'm saying? It'd be nervousness.

It'd be motherfuckers. Be scared. Like if a motherfucker pays him. some shit like that to get you out the way you was a problem for them. And they felt nervous or something. Because if I don't feel nervous about you, fuckers I'm putting a hundred can on your head for.

I ain't going to put no $100K on no nigger head that I ain't worried about. That mean they was worried about him. If that's the case, if that's what happened. You know what I'm saying? Vaughn probably did put that shit on me. Mm-hmm. I was booked.

I don't know. That's what they're saying, though. I mean, if you are running around doing it yourself, and then you get famous and rich, and everything's basically the same, except you can't do it yourself, and now you have millions of dollars. Think you from a street perspective. And if you really trust your guys that you don't think that they're going to roll over on you, if they get caught or whatever, slash, you probably don't even have to tell them. They probably just know that you want them to do this. Like, it could be the most, like, subtle conversation ever.

It's not that hard to imagine from my perspective. I mean, if you look at the video, they were all running down the stairs to get King gone. It seemed like there was some type of incentive there or they were just a little too excited. That's as they were to excited because the phone call, like, we can get them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I watched the shit, but it's like, that's like crash done me at an all-time highs, though. Do you think you'd feel different?

I ain't got no problem with none of them, you feel? See, murder, that's my dog. I don't get no fuck. we go through. That's my dog. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, I do feel like a motherfucker got sent off. What about Mouwob? Did you know

him? Because Mouwob was like King Gawin, little homie. He was a baby when I got booked. And they're saying he's going to get out. I don't know. You feel it? Or it's at least a possibility. That's the fed. So if it was the state case and the nigger tell you, he he going to beat that shit and he's going to come home,

he got a, he down there got a 50% chance. because them state cases be easy to find loopholes you're out there jam but the feds you're talking about what is it like 98 something like that for zint

and people don't be getting out but shit shit be happening miracles happen bro he fuck around and do get out if he do get out he's gonna be the biggest rapper in Chicago do you regret snitching on King Vaughn you

like that fucked up your name. I regret making that statement. And what was the Diazac statement that you made that you like, I regret saying this? I regret even saying anything about a period. You feel? I could have just what I did in the end any fucking way, ate the whole case and got 28 years and he got out. And how was he able to even beat it on the technicality? Because they didn't, they really couldn't.

It wasn't no tech. It was me making that statement. go away. I made that statement go away. Other nigger dead. The other two winners are scared to come to court. I made the statement go away. He'd get out scoffrey. Everybody came and changed

their statements up anyway. That's why I beat the murder. In the other attempt. Everybody came to change their shit. Was there pressure on them to change their statements? I don't think it was no pressure. It was just a simple fact that these was his people's. And at the end of the day, they felt

like, man, you know what I'm saying? We bogus fever. doing that shit anyway. So everybody got out there and was saying the same shit. I don't recall. I don't recall. I don't recall. I don't recall.

You know what I'm saying? People getting impeached. One of the niggas who got shot in the face he got up there. I don't recall. They asked him, did he have a gun? Well, he actually pointed Vaughn out and said Vaughn was the one who shot him in the face

and he didn't want to hit the gun. The nigga Marquis Coppenter. He didn't want to say that. You know what I'm saying? But, um, she is. If I would, I don't know. I feel like if I wouldn't have never even made that statement, like we wouldn't have never came home.

So you feel like it helped y'all in the long run? Hell yeah, that shit helped us in the long run. Because he was able to get out, and then I had to wait until he got killed to get out. You feel? They weren't trying to let me go. You know how many times I was in court? What I'm saying?

I was in court for years, years, like, going back and forth. So when people, when people call you a snitches that, irritate you because you feel like they're just saying that without understanding the actual situation? I mean, it is kind of irritating, but when it comes from like, when they come from like fans and shit, like, I don't begin

no fuck. I'd be looking at it like, you're a fan, you don't know what you're talking about, you're just going off of shit. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Like, you're on the outside looking in, you ain't never walked the day before on my shoes. In your heart, do you feel like you snitched?

I feel like I said too much, yes, I do. You feel I feel like I said too much trying to turn a big situation into a small situation. Yes, I do. You feel? Like, I ain't got no probably with the middle of that shit. I was trying

to do something that was going to get us up out there, same. That's what it did any motherfucker way. Because he was able to get off. I was able to get off, but I had to wait. Once that judge found out that he passed away, it was a route.

It was a route It was time for me to go So that's how you really got out After Vaughn passed away That's what they wanted him That's what they wanted They never wanted me From the jump

That's who they wanted But then when I end up eating it I ain't even care 28 years, 85% It is what it is I'd be home I'd be an old man But it is what it is

And where you serve majority of that time man anyway Shit I went to Monad Then Lawrenceville And then to Danville So it really wasn't no option there or how was that? It's option. Every motherfucker joint.

No, there's a maximum security facility. Yeah. You start out there. You sit in there for like six months and then you go to like a lesser maximum. So now you go down to a media max, which was Lawrenceville. And then when I won an appeal and shit, I went from Lawrenceville to Danville. But most of my time was in Lawrenceville. So how are you feeling about the rapping at this point since you've put out music and it's been a couple months?

you've had time to see how people react. Man, rapper is kind of hard to a motherfucker who really don't know what they're doing. So now what I did is I didn't make sure I was at least able to write like three songs. Just in case I do get stuck, how I be getting stuck on writing this shit, you hear? So it's like, now I got like three songs put up. I can drop one. And then like a couple of weeks after that I could drop the other one. having no pressure on me because I didn't already made like three on them and then I can keep

trying and keep doing it and shit like that I got niggas reaching out to me trying to ghost write for me and there thing talking about I'll take it too long yeah I'm kind of surprised you didn't immediately just kind of go for that or at least like a lot of the bigger rappers I know work with a ghostwriter like they'll sit together and write the song together yeah that's what that's what the guy they was reaching out to me saying the shit he was like man I can write you some shit way more common than you know what I'm saying you just sit you just sit with me and you know I'm saying, talk to me about some shit, and now I put it in the rap. You know what I'm saying?

But I ain't take them serious or nothing like that, but I was thinking about doing the shit just to put something out there, but I got some shit from the condo. I got some shit lined up. You know what I'm saying? Making shit happen. I work with some little producers and shit. Definitely. Trying to get me a podcast.

Oh, really? So that's actually something that might happen? Hell yeah. I hear the motherfucker reach out to me about being a partner, I looked at his followers and shit like that He ain't really like up there And I ain't trying to really start from the bottom bottom You know what I'm saying

I got more followers than this nigga Jay Mayn kind of proved that you could go from being A person who goes on other people's podcast To just starting your own thing And because he's doing like pretty good numbers With all these people He did that He reached out to my little brother about an interview

But he was talking about $500 And that didn't happen They may ain't make it too much money right now Right Can't trick nobody $5. Man, you over whooping for $500. He can't trick nobody.

He ain't doing no energy $500. Yeah, so, it's like, come on. Man, he can't trick nobody. What's the future for Big Mike? What do you want to see? Where do you see yourself five years from now? Man, podcast. I'm going to keep doing this little rap shit.

Just as you know what I'm saying. I'd have seen some money off of YouTube behind that shit already. You know what I'm saying? So it's some money involved with that shit. But, you know, in the long run, shit, I'm trying to buy builders and shit. I'm trying to buy buildings. flip them, rent them out, all type of shit.

Like, parmets and shit like that. You feel him. I got a lot of music that I'm just going to keep on dropping, though. I've got music I'm going to keep on dropping. And I'm working on some shit with this little female I'm at that live out here. But she says she's like 40 minutes away from here. But she's out of hell, but she's like 40 minutes away or something shit. Yeah.

She was, when I told I was coming to y'all's studio, she thought I was talking about, I guess y'all got another one. Yeah, kind of closer. Like a shopping area. Yeah, the shopping area. She was like, I was just out that other day. I say, no, it ain't right there. It's on.

They ain't got no damn studio right there. On Melrose. She's probably talking about the Melrose. That's what she talking about. But we record over there, too. But then sometimes, like, when Duty Low and them showed up, trying to press one of our other hosts, they showed up on Melrose, even though that dude is never there.

Yeah, what they was on? He was just talking crazy about various. Who else was there? Chief Wook? Chief Wook, yeah. He was there, too? They just wanted to have a conversation with Flacco. Oh.

Y'all should be going up? He'd just be saying anything about Chicago. I said you're going to get whooped, though. By who? Famous Richard? No, I was just fucking around. I thought that was a skit, though. He bailed.

I thought that was a skit. But he's rebooked for Monday. That wasn't no skit? I mean. When he got a tour with, uh... Crip Matt. Yeah. I thought that, I thought that was a skit.

We weren't 100% sure. And the security wasn't 100% sure, too, because they started lurking into the room. Yeah, dude looked to see it. The one that came in, you're talking about what we're not doing that. I don't even know what Kripak was thinking. Because I think in Richard's mind, he's doing a troll. He's doing something for content. Kripak definitely had no idea.

He was ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, it's a skit, but then it's kind of starting to seeming like it was a little serious. I think that's why it was so good. It's because none of us really knew. I didn't really know what to think either. It was a toast up.

I didn't know what to think except I was like, I'm not getting out of my chair. I'm not going to act scared of you when I got crickknacks sitting next to me and the security guard by the door. You're not going to intimidate me. Hell, no. But, yo, it was great having a conversation, man. You got a very important story. It helps fill in a lot of the blanks of

the whole history of Chicago drill and everything. I really appreciate it. Yeah, a lot of the people y'all be having up here. I don't be keeping it real, man. Oh, we got some cappers in here? Who knows who somebody is capping? Who ain't saying no names? Y'all will figure it out.

Y'all do y'all homework. I definitely seen one motherfucker y'all hit up here that capped Who's that? I ain't gonna say his name Abidi or GD? Just know he's from the block He's from the O

Oh, what? He got up here and capped And then the picture surfaced On the internet It's a short list Let us know on the comments He's talking about Because I don't know he's talking about

I'm gonna feel like an idiot They know I can start naming people But you ain't gonna It was a motherfucker who came up here He capped And then the picture Got leaked on the internet

What kind of picture was it? It was a picture, a two niggas, three niggas. Hmm. It's a cliffbanger. Y'all let us know in a comment. Who you're talking about because I really don't know. Do your homework. And you're the one asked him the question, so you definitely know.

I just can't think. B.J. Hell yeah. I wasn't even going to say the nigger name. Cap like a motherfucker. What I asked him? When you asked him, did he know me? He don't know me.

He never met Wooski, brother. Is you? What? Or? That's cap, bro. But that's regular shit. Don't know whooskey, brother. If you ask me about somebody and I want to, like, kind of diss him, I'll be like, I don't even know him.

I see, dudes do that on this podcast every week. Yeah, I don't even know, bro. Who is he? What's the deal with him? Did you know him on a dude? Yeah, hell, yeah. What was your relationship with Duke? Me and Duke was cool, too.

Last time I talked to Duke was when, um, see, that was when him and Vaughn got him two of the aisle. That was the last time I talked to him. Oh, him and Vaughn was beef for a little bit. At Iowa. I was falling and shit. That was the last time I talked to one. Who won that for you? I don't know.

I was booked. All right. One thing before you get up out of here, because you know a lot of kids and shit from Chicago will be watching this. And what would you, any messages for the kids that's watching this? I get a message to these kids. After all my interviews,

it's the same shit I'm going to keep on saying, bro. It's better ways to get money out of hell. Now, I ain't telling them, I can't be a blogger or a YouTube and shit. that because it's hell of money in that too. I'm not even telling you can't even be no rapper, bro. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm telling you like the streets, the ways of the streets ain't for them. They ain't for them. Because now what the kids is doing, the kids is going to jail and the kids in that bitch getting beat

because they can't fight. Don't go to jail, bro. You ain't got to go to jail. Bro, at the end of the day, you could go home. If that man walk up to you and say, man, come with me, let's go do this. And you say,

No, I'm about to go in the crib. Don't let the motherfucker make you feel like you a bitch because you want to go in the house, bro. Instead of go do some goofy shit with him. Because at the end of the day, he's going to be booked. And guess what you're going to be at? At home, able to go to school, able to eat, whatever you want. You know what I'm saying?

Put your own clothes on. You ain't got to worry about people telling you what to do, but your mama. You feel? Like, go to school, get them college degrees and shit. That shit takes time, but that shit is money. That's legit money. Something you ain't got to worry about. You ain't got to worry about a motherfucker trying to kill you.

You become a gangster rapper in these streets. That's what you're going to have to do every day. Even if you're trying to get out, you still got to look over your shoulder. I don't get no fuck. What's you talking about you getting out? Ain't no getting out once you got in. You can move wherever you want to, but you still going to be had that street mentality at the end of the day

because you're going to move your gun and shit. Why would you want to go through that? When you would just be a regular person and walk on the streets freely, be a regular civilian get money like a regular civilian the motherfucker we call lames that we used to call lames like Adam has a lame but guess what

Adam matters nice ass car big ass house he got all the holes money out the ass and he's not in jail you feel me like them the motherfuckers people say lanes but whole time like he a lame but shit you're the lame

nigga you're gonna go follow behind the next nigga go to jail over the next, nigga. Tight shit. How is he a lane. So my message to the youth is, man, do something better than what the motherfucker was doing. And you don't got to take it from a square.

You can take it from somebody who's really been through all this. Do something better. Like, doctors and lawyers and shit make good money. Y'all can watch them because they're on Instagram. I know doctors that's living shit, rapper lives. They got everything, big-ass houses, all that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you ain't got to be no gangster, bro,

because you're going to end up dead or you're going to end up in jail. Them the only two places you're going in the streets. Your ass going to die, you're going to go to jail. Either way and go ain't there on the right ways. So the streets is not for you. Leave that shit alone. Do something else.

And let the people that's going to come behind you see what you're doing for they can do it. That's the only way we're going to be able to kill this street shit. We ain't never going to be able to kill it. all the kids is being influenced by what we're doing. And they, like, they damn that easily influenced. He's like, damn, I want a gun. I was just saying, Big Mike with a gun.

I figured it be a good. That shoot me a nigga. Because he easily influenced, like, no. Y'all better start picking up the motherfucking phones that y'all be click-clacking on all motherfucket and go watch LeBron Jays and how much money he making. You feel? That's real.

I feel that. Appreciate you coming on, man. Oh, yeah, for so. Let's do it again sometime. I'll be back. Part two of Wooski? I like that idea. Part two of a big ass hands.

You know I can make that happen. We definitely making it happy. That's the biggest hand I shook in a while. Shout out to Reamow. No Jumper. Shout out Big Mike. Coolest podcast in the world. What are you saying?

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