No Jumper - Big Stay On Catching M*rder Case at 14, Sacramento Gang Life & More

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

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No jumper, the coolest podcast in the world, man, and we back. It's still brick, not that trick. You know what I'm saying? And I got special guests with me, came all the way down from Sacramento, man. You know what I'm saying? Tap did life story crazy. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to just let you get to it, man.

My boy, Big State, because I don't want to give none of your story up. I was going to give you a list of accolades, but you here we're going to talk about it. Big State, man. What's the deal? Hey, man, save, man. It's your boy, Big State, man, live and direct with self to click. Islam. Like, I'm rocking to a lot of peace and blessed to be upon the viewers. We go getty, right? That's just my.

Yeah, yeah, they got to watch that dough. I know what you doing. They got to watch that, no. He got to have that dough in there all the time. Yeah, but yeah, man, hit them with the tail end of what you said. What you call it? You said to Issa La, I really, I'm paying attention to what's going on.

I need to hear it. I was going to click, man, live and direct. It's your boy, big state, man, here, you know, in front of your peace and blessing to be upon those who's watching this. Yeah, man. So are you, I mean, you said, are you Islamic? Yes, yes. My belief system is Islam.

Did you go to jail with your belief system via Islam? Well, no, when I went to jail, my belief system was a Christian, but you know, growing up in a black household. you know, you kind of like raised to be a Christian. Yeah. So, you know, growing up I was Christian, of course, because that's what I was led to believe, not by, you know, choice. Yeah, I was born Islamic.

Was that right? And then converted to Christianity. And then now I'm just like a godly individual. You know what I'm saying? I studied most of the books when I was down. I wouldn't call it studying. I skimmed through them, but my recollection is hell of it. The stuff that I needed to obtain.

in order to understand what I was going on, the comparison and the stories. And, you know what I mean? I kind of just run with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, see, I look at it like this, right? You know, Islam, you know, part of the thing that attracted me to Islam was the structure.

Because I believe, you know, in a community, you need a structure. But at the end of the day, you know, when it comes to religious, I don't really, you know, give in one thing or another because I believe at the end of the day that we all are in one God. But, see, a lot of people don't realize, right, Islam and Allah that means nothing but submit to God, you know, so that's

another reason why I chose a pep in Islam because it tells you, you know, worship no man, fear no man. The only person or the only thing you fear is God God itself. Yeah, I recently was watching some I forget who podcast it was. And don't judge me.

Don't shoot the messenger but the message was they said if you or a Christian that you at least 10% gay because no man should worship and love you're saying that you love a man

that you never made. And these is some, this isn't like kids trolling and doing all that weird. This is like they having the conversation of what religion rules the world. And I'm not, like I said, my whole family Christian, so I'm not offending

you know what I mean? I got, but they was like, if you love a man that much in the religion it's forcing you to love somebody that much. But at the end of the day, I wouldn't take the gay part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is, though, what they're saying is that this person was flesh and blood, just like he put his pants on one leg at the time with dick and balls like you.

You get what I'm saying? You know, all Jesus was was a messenger. He came to the people at that time in Christianity or, you know, the Jewish culture with a message, you know. So like I say, that's the difference between Islam. and Christianity too because in Islam, even though you know we follow the Prophet Muhammad, we don't worship the Prophet Muhammad. That's why you'll never see a picture of the Prophet Muhammad because we don't worship man.

The only thing we worship is God. And, you know, that's where the Christians derail from the path because they're worshipping a man and saying that he came in God image, which he really didn't. He came with a message to the people. And that's basically like, I be like, I'm Christian. like but it's just like if you want me to believe this and I got my own brain and you want me to believe like the world came this way you know what I said like and I know that this is a historian's script a book yeah like you got to understand it's when dealing with a book it's things about that

book that has been altered you know so you've got to take it for like you say you have to find your own exactly exactly exactly It was like, God didn't write that book. So now you're telling me that this man control. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And at the end of the day, like I said, we all worship in one God.

So that's really all that matter, you know. And whatever way you find that God is on you. And it was a way for slavery to be accepted and not rejected. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Now you'd be criticized for anything you say, but it's deep, though.

Yeah, because these same people that, you know, say that Christians was the one that's telling you that you couldn't read the Bible. That the Bible told you not to fight back. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But all of a sudden, you turn around and now you're Christian. Like, it's a tool, you know, to brainwash the people. Yeah, exactly. But we, this ain't no religious pie, but, you know, we can go there.

I just, you know what I mean? Like, I could tap in and all elements, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? This is, we didn't even get to introduce you. We got right on. I mean, because I've been watching him. So I'm like, I know where his frequency at, you know what I mean? For sure.

And I said, my name stink, man. Don Dollars, you feel me? I'm an artist, author, you feel me? I got books out. I really do the author thing, but we're doing the podcast together. Oh, yeah, yeah. How many hard? Oh, yeah.

I did a total 11 years, you feel me? I did seven straight. Then spot it on. Right, right, right. Right, right. Is it juvenile for shooting, too? So it's serious, though. you know what goes on in our city is serious.

Yeah, definitely. That's why we hear, you know, to use my life story as an example to, you know, while to derail the youth and, you know, the future generations from, you know, traveling down the same path in the same lane. Because I think, you know, the coach we're in the day in the age, we're in the day that people are so hooked up on trending and lights that they're being, you know, basically they're selling themselves short, you know what I'm saying? And then they're getting this false idea, this false gratification, this instant gratification.

But then when that huge moment coming to slow them down, they're going to be like, damn, I didn't know about this. So that's why we're here. And that's why I'm here to use my life as an example because of the things that I've been through. Yeah. Hell yeah. Man. So growing up in Sacramento, let's start. Let's not jump into the pituitary.

Growing up in Sacramento, man, was you a bar player? Was you just a ladies, man? How was it like elementary through high school? Well, I'm going to be honest with you, right. Well, you did. My whole life, I haven't been bad, right? Like, even if you read my book or watch my documentary, the first documentary on YouTube,

Little State of Struggle, or my book, Little Estate, the transition on Amazon. Where can they find that? Oh, they can find a book on Amazon, and then they can find a documentary, Little Estate, The Struggle on YouTube. But even if you read my book, the first few pages I tell you at two years old,

I'm watching my uncle one day. He's in a backyard. lighting the barbecue fitting and cooking barbecue. So the next morning, I take the mother-upiter fluid in the match, and I tried on the trash can. Next thing I know, my mom and my daddy come flying around and running through the house. First thing she did was snatch me up and start with my ass all down the hall. Sliding your ass.

So, yeah, to answer your question, though, life for me, I've always been, like, even at a young age, I've always been kind of, like, causing trouble. You know, I might have had the bad gene or something. or some of that nature. So, you know, I was always outside. Even at, like, seven years old, I started smoking weed. I was eight. Oh, you was eight?

Yeah, I was eight. All my cousins, like, four, five years older than me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, the closest one was, like two years, like two years, like two and a half years, though, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's how I was with me. I'm watching my uncles. I'm watching, you know, the older homies that's a couple years older than me, and I'm imitating everything they're doing.

I'm saying. So that's how it all started off. Then, you know, gradually, around about like 9, 10, we stealing from the stores. Boom. Then, you know, from stealing from the stores, it go to stealing bikes. So now you're running around the neighborhood. You probably on a, if you ain't got a bike, you on your homie bike on the pigs. Absolutely.

You're bailing down the street looking for a bike. What bike I'm going to strip today? Oh, that's a GT dino with the hundred spokes. I got that. What? Not have no other stuff. No, dino. It's a rap.

front and backpins is my. So then, you know, from there, that's probably like 10, 11 years old. And then once you get the, once you get the bike, you got to go steal the Krobeys. Man, what? From off a car. Man, what? That's when you were on the creek. Yeah.

That's when you first went on to the creek because you got to sneak and take them off. You can't touch the car too hard because of our lords. Okay, you got to be sneaky. Yeah. Get them off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You always. You really. Yeah, the dice was getting stripped off the rip. Fast and the mud. Yeah, man.

That's when you really learned out of the creek right there. Yeah, man. I used to tell the hubby, like, only do the driver's side unless we go out and get all four of them. Like, we're going to do the driver's side. You know, that's in the middle of the street. You know what I mean? Like, we ain't worried about the day.

For me, though, after stealing bikes, I went to burglarizing houses. You know what I'm saying. So, you know, then I'm, you know, with a few of the fellas we going around. We ring the doorbell. Hey, is Johnny here? Hey, is Eric here?

And it don't know about your answer, we're right to the fact that we're in the window. And then, you know, I realize now, though, at that age, the reason why we was doing that was because, you know, during Christmas we may not get what we want. And other people, you know, may have had, you know, PlayStation and things like that. So now we buggered houses to get the things that we couldn't afford. Yeah, yeah, man. I think is that. Is curiosity, too, though.

that's what I was going. That too. I was more of a curious. That too. I grew up curious of the streets, you know, family in the streets. So you'd like peep certain stuff or you see certain stuff. You'd be curious.

And I think it's a percentage out there that's just curious that get hooked on, that curiosity. Yeah. And sometimes you get real. See, me, my parents so dope. Yeah. So it was like, we had it. But I'm in the hood, though. You get what I'm saying?

We had the hood. day. So I'm with them. I'm not with my parents all day. You know what I mean? Then they hood rich. It ain't like we rich with a program with rich people. We just got some dollars on the block. Like you get what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, well, was Robin just because. Yeah. Yeah. A good nigga was Gordon. I was just because. Me, it was a little bit different though, right? Because I'm watching my dad. And, you know, my dad, he's selling dope. He got all the old schools, all the nice rims. And at a young age, I'm looking at him. And I want to be like him.

But by the time I'm eight, he ended up going to prison for a voluntary manslaughter. So now, you know, you got the mama's boy, you got the daddy's boy. So once my dad left, all I look forward to was running the streets with my friends. So it was like basically like a natural attraction. It wasn't like I was curious. And then it's like, okay, you know, you go outside the house looking for another thing to replace that male road model. So now you transition into the streets because you see what's going on at a young age and it's attracting you. I'm saying it's kind of like the laws of attraction.

Yeah. So when you was young and you, because I, my stepdad was in jail, my whole family was in the feds. Like at one point of time, my real dad, my dad, stepdad. Did you ever catch yourself when you was younger? Like, when I go to jail, I'm going to be like this. Like, when I go to jail, like, when you started being bad, like, we spoke that shit into existence. I told myself, yeah. I told myself, man, when I go to jail, man, I'm going to see my dad. That's what I told myself. Spoke it. Words is powerful, bro. You really see your dad in here. crazy right because no I didn't see the same year I caught my case he was being released so he was getting out and I was going in it was like

the system did a swap so you ain't seen him in 23 years so I didn't I didn't see him until I got out the pen two months ago that's what I said that's 23 years from 14 to 32 but he left when you was 8 right so that's 6 plus 17 yeah yeah so that whole time I

See my dad then. Yeah, that's crazy, bro. Yeah, man. So, well, it sounds like you kind of like we, that kind of like, we jumped off the porch very early. You know what I'm saying? Because I was going to say, like, where did you get your, like, where you like the popular guy in the neighborhood and that school?

Because some people get it, I got it from sports. You get what I'm saying? Like I already, my name was ringing bells because I was good at basketball. So, and then I'm outside, so I was popular. you know what I mean yeah well for me it was like you know me and all my friends went to the same elementary school we went to all with the Parkway Elementary. So we all up there getting our reputations in by fighting.

Yeah. So, you know, we, in the group, we fight in this group. We fight in that group. Yeah. And it just, you know, starts evolving. Yeah, that's how it was.

So it wasn't like a little popular thing. It was like at a young age, you already basically putting in work and not knowing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, you know, you know,

you known as them little badass thing is not to fuck with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because, uh, one of my older their daughter grew up with me. So he does a lot of stuff going on recently with my name and stuff and he attempted it.

Like, man, my daughter used to tell me that her mama used to say, man, is I here going to the party? If I hear them going to the party, man, you can't even go to that motherfucker, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, you can't go to that party, you like, well, I'm like, man. Listen, man, it ain't for me to tell the world. I'm so content to where my life at now, man, because I've been through,

so much. I got shot in the neck. I did jail time. I got shot in my tailbone, blottered, all that. You know what I mean? I did everything but focused on my kids, my family in my life. I didn't give all these years to hustling and putting homies on. And you upset being in the hood worrying about the hood, and not worrying about like my actual family. So it took like this last trip to jail for me to like see my daughter be like a little skinny You come home, but it's like, you're a regular person like me. Yeah. Like, you have me?

Yeah. I went down. He was six months. I came out. He's seven. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I didn't wake up. I just did four. She was like eight. Eight to 12 is crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Eight to 12. You watch her go from like four foot to like five something.

Come and you. Like, oh, man. Hold on, bro. Like, I got to get out. be there because they're good here. Like, duh. You got to be the old. What was crazy for me, though, is because, you know, I went in

at such a young age at 14 years old. It's like, you look back 15 years later, and then these little kids that left, they were seven years old, you're looking at pictures. They're 22, 23. You're like, damn, I didn't have been in here two, three, four generations. Period. So now you're seeing the evolution

of society through, you know, through a phone. So it's like, damn, this shit is crazy. So doing all that time and then coming out and actually, you know, just seeing people, and meeting people and greeting people. It's like a kosher shock to the mom. You see your mom, daughter. Yeah, and then.

Not even that, though. You're coming out, and, you know, the pictures of a person may look one way, but then when you get up, like you say, like when I see my grandma for the first time, because when I came home, I didn't tell I was coming home. Yeah. I told her I'm going to call you the next day. But when I see my grandma, I'm looking, I'm like, damn, you know, you see her in a picture.

It's one way, but when you see her person, like, damn, she really getting old. Like, damn. So you got to kind of cherish their moments. Was granny like the backballed of the family when you was younger, everybody had granios? Well, I'm going to be honest. No, everybody used to go to my grandpa house. I'm saying? So every summer my grandpa would come.

He'd get all his grandkids from Oakland, from Rich men, from Sacramento. He'd get us all together and go to one house. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So every summer we always look forward to it. I already know. That's like my. grandma's, we're there.

It ain't, whoever live out of town they're there in the summer, but like every weekend we're there. Like, me and my family like, that's why we were so tight-nitched. When we went out, it was just me, my brothers and my cousins at first. You know what I mean? And it was like, well, the niggas

next door, my cousin, I don't even. Yeah, it was a couple of, but it was like just us. Yeah. And we didn't, there so much to each other growing up, like, you know what? Like, man, that's shit ain't nothing. That's like, work like you know what these things ain't been doing what we've been doing

100% that's how that's how you know our neighborhood little wars got started yeah that's exactly where I was going we'd go to Cal Skate and it'd be everybody that grew up in the South and then you got everybody that grew up from this other part of Sacramento

and we got in the skating we're fighting you know what I'm saying so that's where it started from little scrimishes like that yeah so where are you from in Sacramento. Like, so you went to Parkway Elementary,

so for people that don't know, Parkway, G. Parkway store, like, yeah, me, so where are you from? I'm from, uh, what's the story? South Sacramento. I'm from Iraq.

I'm from a G. Parkway store. Uh-huh. I went to jail at a 14-19. But not El Grove, though, right? Because that's, uh, L. who? No, I'm just playing.

El Hoo. That's it. All I know is the trenches, folks. Go ahead. But, uh, now, though, so,

you know, I went to jail of 14, so, like I say, from Sacramento. But at the same time, though, growing up, we used to have these fights, and then these fights started escalating. So now we had house parties. Yeah. House parties, you got the music going. You know, we might be smoking.

We might be drinking and things like that. Next thing you know, he's saying this neighborhood. We're saying this neighborhood, particularly at this time before it was even stores. It was Badass Youngst's B.A. W. Y., so we're saying Badass Youngsts or LBA, a little, badass youngsters. And at this time, we, I'm probably like

12 years old. We fucking with. Did y you guys used to claim like Bay Gang? Or it's just B-A-Y? No, no, no, B-A-Y. I'm saying B-A-Y is badass Youngstice. Bad-A. B-A-Y. Same thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I just was thinking like. No, no, we ain't never just said Bay, though.

Yeah, because y'all don't like the Bay. That's why I was saying. No, not I don't like to be. But I'm saying, y'all don't like to be confused. No, we don't like to be confused with the Bay. Yeah. Yeah. We don't like to be confused with the Bay. Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, though, so at this time, Badass Johnson was at war with YBD.

Mm-hmm. So, you know, we fighting and stuff like that, house parties and things like that. And then that didn't last too long, you know, we came out on time. And then we end up going to... So you said YBD. Yeah, YBD, young but dangerous, but dangerous, okay, good. Yeah. Eventually, most of them end up going to fad.

and that's is that a lake of extension of oak park was fat uh it's a group over there it's a group of individuals over there yeah hell yeah

so what do it stand for though uh you know it's just stand for fat you know what I'm saying shit yeah well all right so you

bad-ass youngsters boom now what age was that? Because you left out of such a young age. I left at 14, so I started, really, I started gang, man, like the age of 8, no. Yeah. I'm saying, yeah.

But at that time that you speaking of, I was probably like 11, 12. Yeah. So, y'all turned into G. Parkway while you was gone? No, no, no, no, no. G. Parkway is my hood. Yeah. That's my hood. But your click was, bad.

Yeah, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, man. So now, y'all always were feuding with Oak Park the whole time. Like, how's y'all relations with the cripplers around and the other? Because it's not just the stars and the zillaz-z-y. Honestly, I mean. You know, when I first started living in a gang lifestyle, I was just from G. Parkway.

That's my hood. Yeah. You know, so originally I was just from G. Parkway. And a few years later on, I ended up becoming – a part of Badass Youngsteads Yeah, yeah So like the garden Blocks, the

Who was your What was your biggest rival at that time? At that time, our biggest rival was Gordon Block. Yeah. We wasn't even feuding with Oak Park Our biggest rival was Gordon Block. Yeah, so What series of events

Transisted to where Oak Park ended up being rivals with? Because you rarely see that with Damos. You rarely see you know what I mean like down here like you'd see it and it'd be clinked up like us we don't never put it to the side type shit I'm gonna be honest

right Sacramento is really like a blood city it's nothing really but blood neighborhoods you know you have a few crypts uh... yeah it's like Long Beach blood so it's originally it's really blood on blood you know what a few blood

says was you know at war with the keyways but it's always being some type of blood on blood due to the fact it's overpopulated everybody ain't fend to get a Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

It's going to be that way. So what, when did y'all start beefing with the oak parks? Like, when did that come about? Well, really, you know, growing up, yeah, my older homies was cool with the Oak Park blood. So really it comes from origin of race because the generation above us, you know, they was kind of like... They blame me here for that shit, man. They was different, so it was a different time. It was still a blood-crip kind of culture.

Yeah. So what I'm telling you is I keep on beating around the West, so I'm going to be straightforward. Yeah, I'm being super direct. They blame me you for that. I'm seeing, I'm seeing shit online, and they blame me you for starting the folk between. Well, most definitely, you know, I'm not here to glorify it. I wasn't trying to. That's why I was trying to like ease around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it got to be told the right way because there's, you know, a lot of people join different things, don't know the history behind it. Yeah, exactly. So the question that you're asking is, yes, I have the first gang murder

between the cliques and Sacramento. Uh-huh. So, you know, that's when it really got serious at that moment, you know what? Before then, it was, you know, fist of cuffs. Yeah. I'm saying, and wasn't nobody doing that. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to glorify it, and I'm highly, you know, remorseful about the actions that was done. But at the same time, I had to be able to sit right here and tell this story because at the same time, I'm not even supposed to be right here telling this story. I had 50 years of law. life. You know what? Best friend. You're growing up. Man, what?

Come on, man. Come on now. Some, my worst enemies, I'm in the car with them. Going to the jamborees, Pop Warner, South Sack Bikers. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't anything serious. So for that to happen, you know what I'm saying? It was big. All over the news. And it changed things. And I think, you know, that's why they gave me 50 years of life was to make an example.

Like, we're not going to tolerate this in Sacramento. How close are y'all is? Close is it? Close. Close. close is it? Close. Close. Close is it. Close.

Honestly, it's a street. Really, that divide is kind of. Yeah, so that's like the A-TRAs and that's like the family. To go to any other hood in Sack from the south, you've got to pass through the dayhood. And to get to R-Hood from anywhere in Sack, you've got it on a freeway. Exactly. But it's not for. It's not for.

Because when I was down near it, they was like the, I felt like the biggest territory, because I used to be somewhere by downtown. It was over there. You know what I mean? They do, though. Between them the Heights, they got the biggest hood. They do. Yeah, the Heights, that's North Lake.

We got one of the smallest ones, but one of the biggest gangs. Yeah. Because they took up a lot of spaces, what I'm saying. Yeah, of course. Of course. It's not all right. Yeah, no. No, the South is broke down in the different branches.

So, boom, boom, boom. You say y'all deeper in numbers, dear. I say it's more going on. Yeah. Yeah. Because every section got their own little thing going. Entity. Yeah.

is just being one. Yeah, we won, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we all got their own hood. I mean, it's broken down to as far as like these other places that really got fruit rids. They don't have a metal view. They don't have a G. Parkway all in their hood.

Exactly. We got all of that in our hood. All these things mixed up. I know. The 29th Street. You get what I'm saying? All of that's in the South. That's all the South.

Yeah. But you got what I'm saying, we all can stand alone as our own hoods now. Yeah. Most definitely. It's a little harder. It's a little harder. So, do you mind taking me through the series of events that transpired leading up to what you were incarcerated for? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'll give you a brief walkthrough of my life story. So like I said at the beginning of the interview, at the age of eight, my dad didn't end up going to prison for a voluntary band started, but I remember the day it happened. You know, I'm coming home from school, me and my brothers. So my mama, she sits down at the table. She's like, boys, I got something to tell y'all I don't want y'all going out the house because she was scared at this time. She was like, your daddy,

probably gonna be going away for a long time. So at that moment, you know, my whole world and shut, I'm like, damn, my dad ain't gonna be here. This is who I always wanted to be like, this, you know? So, you know, that's really where it started for me. So after that, it's like, boom, my dad gone. No, I'm talking about with you all in the Oak Park. Oh, well, that's an old part?

Yeah. Was your dad remember? no no he was before the gang bang generated that's all my pop's it oh okay that's the most but uh yeah nah uh you know with old parks like i say we grew up fighting against each other you know uh skating rings house parties and things of that nature and then you know me being me at that time young minded immature

you know as soon as i get my hands on a weapon i want to take it to the next level yeah for sure so me being immature at that mind state uh you know i'm like well shit I'm not fighting no more. You know, if you're in the streets and you end up getting a weapon on you and you're carrying a weapon on you. Got it. And somebody... Because you're curious.

Once again, the curiosity kicks in. And somebody assaults you. That's exactly you. So that's what I was trying to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Having it, like, I'm having it because some could happen. And not only that, but people get a weapon and you feel the sense of power. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, for sure. It just talks to you. Yeah. So at this young age, being this immature, after all this fighting and doing things like that, I end up one day walking to the store, end up running across an individual, and the altercation ended up pursuing a guy end up assaulting me. And me having a weapon on me, it's like without even thinking, without even thinking, I pull out the weapon and the crime occurs.

Yeah, but you didn't go out looking for trouble. That day, trouble came to your friend door. That day, I didn't go out like, oh, I'm about to go do this, this and that. No, it's just, you know, a serious events that happened at that time. Yeah, it was already up. Yeah. And the nigger thought it was for to be another day squabbling. Exactly.

Yeah. No, understood. So, wow, you go to jail that day? No, I went to jail probably about a week later. Damn. Yeah, they end up. God, no, Sean. They end up hitting like four houses.

Was it on camera or did somebody tell? No, no. A dude I had so-called called my friend, he had ended up going to juvenile hall. He ended up going to juvenile. Look, no, this is crazy, though. He ended up going to juvenile hall. Didn't have nothing to do with nothing and told them that I got information on a murder. Y'all don't send me a C-Y.

Oh, my God. In the week? In the week. Gave a nigga. I don't want juvenile life. I want you to take somebody real life. So, I end up getting arrested a week later. All right, bye, so you get arrested.

You're a juvenile interrogation. Who pulls up? The detective. my mama, my brother, they got him in the interrogation room, they got my friend in the interrogation room. They got a series of people in interrogation room.

And, of course, you know, my crime happened in broad daylight, so it's over. Yeah, you got people. I'm talking about it. It's a busy intersection. Just picture one of your all busy intersections and the crime occurring in broad daylight in the evening.

Yeah. Right when everybody getting off work. Exactly. where it's jammed up. Exactly. So you got hell of cars that could point you out of the line up. Exactly. Yeah.

Not hell of cars that they did. No, that's what I'm saying. I mean, there's a variety of people. That's what I'm saying. A slew of people telling all the niggins. When I ended up going to trial, one dude got on a stand and told the judge that he had to move out of California because of what I did and he couldn't stand to be in California no more. You should have never moved to this.

So, we just went you moving to. That's how, uh, that's how, uh, you know, I end up going to jail for a first degree murder at the age of 14. And then, uh, you know, I was fighting my case for about like maybe two years in juvenile are we fighting. Uh, we're going on confinement, solitary confinement, you know, what's really called ORC and AARC. So you're going on RAC. REC is three days. You get in a fight.

You got to be on lockdown for three days. What the hell goes to shoot? Oh, yeah, they're just going to shoot. In juvenile hall, they used to go out at the shoes. It's segregated housing unit. It's the shoe down there where we're at. They're going to keep you in the same thing. They just think, yeah.

It looks like a 180. If you ever been to a low 4-180, it looked like a low of 4-1-80. So, y'all probably got a newer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a serious case. That's where you stand. And if you get too well, you stayed in that cell. Yeah, you're standing in that cell.

So who's the vast population in the juvenile hall? the Latinos, the white boys, or the blacks. Sacramento is always the blacks. Okay. Sacramento is always the blacks. Juvenile Hall, County Jail, wherever you, it's always blacks. Yeah. So, yeah, so, yeah, so you there, you on the compound.

Well, shit, you ain't down here. I'm thinking about the compound. It's only one place you could go. I'm down there. I'm on the main juvenile hall, Keithford, and the maximum security housing units. So how long were you fighting your fitness? How long did it take them?

No, I never even fought a fitness here. You know, at that time, the law said as you 14, you can be directly tried as an adult. Yeah, we just tried differently. Yeah, so I was tried directly as an adult. I went straight to the adult court system. No fitness here, no, are you mature enough? No, you can did this time. You're going to a little court.

You're going to adult court. You will be transported in the morning at 3 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, you were going to get in the kids. You were really going to get the kids. Frank 40. Shackled. They're telling your parents like, hey, we really can't tell you everything. We got to talk to him friends. My mom is crazy.

Imagine a kid. And then, you know, once you're not tried as a juvenile, they don't have to consult your parents about nothing. So now at 14, you're fighting a murder. You don't know nothing about the law. You're sitting in there. You know what I'm saying? Your attorney is explaining all this legal jargon to you that you not understand. The number you can get.

They're not asking your mama because you're adult. But it's like, damn, how can I be a dope? And y'all can charge me as a adult. But at the age of 14, I can't even buy no alcohol. I can't buy no cigarettes. I can't buy no alcohol. I can't go to the club. I can't go to the bar.

But you're telling me as soon as I commit a crime that I should be punished as an adult. But if it's like that, then why wasn't it that I can do everything else as a adult? Exactly. Because my wine ain't fully formed. Like two years after that, it was the same way. I didn't see white boys in there with me. We're going to get to here. Some white boys with me.

that was in there at the same time, then committed rapes, then committed murders. I go to trial at 16. They get me 50 years of life. They go to trial. They go to YA. As soon as I get to YA, the first thing, the officers in YAs telling me

is, hey, man, how did you get this much time? You're supposed to have juvenile life. That's point blank, period. Like, they can't, but they finally cleaned the law up, but that just tell you, like, they, oh, it's not racist here, man. There's races everywhere, bro.

It's racist everywhere. you go, bro. This is what I'm telling people, though, right? Because just in 2000, because I just recently got out of prison two months ago. Just recently, they passed the Assembly Bill 256, which is the Racial Justice Act. So it's like, if y'all sending there ain't no racism, racism don't exist, why are you still passing laws legally, criminally, that says that we have to change these laws to say, if we research your case, if we look back in your cases, you can prove statistically wise in your county that another race got the

same time you got action but if it doesn't exist overwhelmingly for black people and Latino people for sure firearms come on listen this is what I'm trying to tell you so you mean to tell me

them same crack cases and dope cases that we were catching you mean to tell me that black people the only person that serve white people white people sell crack they buy bricks. They do all that, but they're not going into their neighborhoods and going and raise shit and niggas spying on them niggas all day, invasion

of privacy. Like, you know us by the time, the only reason y'all know us because y'all sit there and drive by us every day. You give what I'm saying? Surveillance. But it does, yeah, but it's like, it's like, okay, niggas is selling dope. If don't know why

he's dying behind it, why is you trying to give a nigga 15 and all this shit over some cook? And, you get what I'm saying? Like, y'all, the laws was made for everything, just like YouTube right now. I hate to keep going. YouTube right now, you can't have a double cup of your video. You can't have bitch just twerking.

It can't be too much nudity. It can't be no cussing. You're taking away all the creative lyricism and visual that we're giving our community. Now you're putting a flag on it. Like, it's crazy. Go ahead. But yeah, so

like I told you, at the age of 16, I end up getting 50 years of life. I end up going to the youth authority to the Preston for about two years. You know, and youth authority, I ain't a lot. The youth authority was kind of fun. You in there, you know, fighting, hitting weights, smoking, chilling.

No, I'm good. But I ended up going there for two years, and on my 18th birthday, they ended up transferring me out to the adult state prison. On that day. On that day. Nigger couldn't even brush no spread with the homies and nothing. What?

Nigger couldn't even eat a breakfast. They're on that bus That is What? You better grab your shit Yeah what Everybody have you leaving Because they get your stuff

You on that great goose Ain't that what they call the bus The Great Goose? Yeah the Great Goose So you know 18 I'm headed to reception This is my 18 birthday Happy birthday

So I get there I go to Tracy I'm in Tracy for about Three months Oh that's your reception Yeah that's our reception center The dual vocation institution so I'm there to the water brown

you can't even drink the water you can't shower in the water the sales is smaller than your closet so you cramped up in the cell you're gonna lock down down near 24 23 hours out the day yeah the rats you got the rats you got the rats that shit like our county used to be man come on now man they shut that borg they just shut it down

so when I took them a while butt oh yeah they shut it down they shut it down Definitely. So I'm there for three months. You know, you go to the yard like, I think once or twice a week. So I'm going to the yard. So everybody's talking about the prisons they're trying to get to.

And the prisons they don't want to go to. So everybody's like, man, I ain't trying to go to Pelican Bay. I ain't trying to go to the hard desert. Man, I'm off. Everybody's saying that. Everybody's saying. So they're like, man, when you go up, you go up, just pick a Folsom in the New Corgan or Folsom in Salinas. So I'm like, all right.

So I see my counselor because when you get there, you got to see a counselor. Yeah. So I get there. This council tells you your points, tells you your, your assessment of what security level you're going to and things of that nature. So when I get there, I see her, oh, mind you, before I left Y, I had got my GED. The teacher had forced me to get my GED. So I ended up getting my GED because, you know, I was going to prison. She's like, I'm telling you it's going to pay off in the end.

So I get the DVR, trace reception. The council tells me, she said, oh, you know, you're level 4, 180. I'm like, what the hell is the level 4-180? So, yo, yeah, you're going to Supermath from Serity Security Prison, I feel sorry for you. I'm like, damn. You feel sorry for me?

I'm scared than a motherfucker name. Hey, young, man, you're coming off the yard that you are right now. You know it's going to be all wrong. You don't know what's going on to do. She asked me, man, long story, short, prisons I want to go to. I'm like, yeah, man, just give me folks

and give me Salinas Valley. 90 day later, they come to my door, they got to bring him back. It's a HDSP. Oh. So I said, hey, man, well, hey, oh, gee, what's A-Z-S-P? He's like, hard desert. I'm like, damn.

So. They say the phones up there, like 10, 12,000 right now. I'm going to be honest with you. Right. When I went to prison, they didn't even have the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, they come give me one morning, uh, pack of shit. You're going to hard desert this morning.

So I pack all my shit, take me a shit. You know, I'm nervous. So, bam, I end up going to the hole and say, end up getting a high desert. So I get in the high desert. First thing when you get there, anybody who'd been there got a sign and say high desert state drama. So I get there, the green wall come out. For y'all don't know what the green wall is. It's a gang of correction officers. So I get there. They all lined up trying to intimidate us. We get off the bus. We get in there. They tell the strip out. This shit is degrading. We in there squatting,

cough and spread your ass cheeks. Cough. Cove. Just dehumaners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're getting there. And they want you to stand closest right to it while you do. That's weird. So it's a black, it's a black Mexican. We don't know what the black Mexican is. This is a Mexican that run with the seveners. So he ended up talking crazy to the COs.

They end up whipping his ass-asshole naked. Dragging him down to the cage and through the fan on him. Asshole naked. Through the fan on him. Through the fan on him. I'm talking about a big-ass blower. Oh, yeah. you, throw it on you.

I'm like, I'm thinking they chopped his ass up in that motherfucking way. They just put it on you. They don't get you. Let him breathe a little bit. So they end up coming to give me. Fortunately, though, when I hit the yard, you know, I end up going into the cell of one of my older homies from Sacramento, one of the OGs.

So when we get there, we're on lockdown. We're on a nine-month lockdown. The Southerners and the Northerners is at war. The, no, no, excuse me. The Northerners and the whites is at war. He is. The Northerners had just, when they went to medical, popped out the handcuffs and killed the white boy in medical.

So this whole time, we're on lockdown. I got an OG selling. He laced me up on the politics. You know, when you go to level fours, that's all it is. It's politics. So he laced me up on the politics. Look, man, while we're on his lockdown, sign up for medical, find out where everything is at, you know,

go scope it out, you know, see where canteen is at. So when you come up, you already be aware of where everything is at. and when we come up always moving threes. So, bam, he lacing me up, boom, boom, boom, boom. We get off lockdown. We off lockdown for two days. Somehow, the northerners and the southerners is at war now. The southerners knocked down the northerner.

So now the northerners is at war with the whites and the southerners. So now we're on another nine-month lockdown. I'm fresh from Hawaii. This shit is blowing my mind. You just came out of reception. man what i just came from like and i'm here fresh 18 and two people didn't got killed i'm like oh this shit is real oh yeah and then you gotta remember doing these lockdowns sometimes you got sellies to get drunk they're up there killing each other yeah so it could be 12 1 o'clock in the morning you hear somebody hollering police running in all this shit is traumatizing your mom yeah yeah

so i end up being in a hard desert yeah yeah i end up being in that hard desert you know the most of the time you're there you lock down six months nine months So I got there in 2010, so around 2014, they had to end up coming with the law from Sacramento, basically saying that now you can no longer hold people on lockdown more than 14 days. So I guess this was the easing in prison, and this was the same time they came around. That was like years. How many years was you in with that happened? I was already in prison like four years. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I had already did plenty of six months, nine-month lockdown.

So now for people that's coming in prison, it's easy. 14 months and you back up. up. And people coming in and they're going crazy about that. About 14 days? This was the time in prison where you had to write letters. That's what I was about to say. I used to, the hubbies used to go on lockdown back then, like the hubbies that left early,

they used to me, I used to feel bad for them niggins. Like, I ain't talked to my dougar. He's striking sad kites to the house. You couldn't even depend on a pay phone. All you could depend on was a letter. It got so bad to where it's, I just started writing to myself.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, man, you got to express yourself somehow. Hey, a nigga write a letter to somebody and it'd come in handy on. Man, what? If you was writing books at that point

in your life in prison, you would have been a hell of an author. You know what the crazy part is? You're not missing the detail. I tend to write a book three times. And every time I did it, I end up getting like 80 pages in, ripping it up. Probably stressed out on the lockdown and like

f*** this shit. I'm saying. So I ended up being in high desert for like five years. Like I said on that yard, I've seen a lot of murders and things like that. And up there, they really shoot the many 14 in the police. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then I end up going from there. They end up opening a new level four yard back on Senonella State Prison.

So I end up going to Senanella like, I think, December of 2014. So when I get there, the whole buildings, you know, on the building on the Senanella C yard is five buildings. C1, C2, C3, C4, C4, C4, which was really rare. warehouses, you know what I'm saying, for human bodies. But we end up going there, and now they bring in people from Pelican Valley level four, Salinas Valley level four, New Delano level four. So we all coming to one thing. So you know that first year on the yard, it ain't nothing but politics and positioning.

So we get there. I'm near for a month. I'm there for a month. My boy, Dick come. So I seen from across the yard. know when they bring new arrivals they come through they come through a gate boom so anytime you see that gate pop everybody look towards that way to see you know who coming so you'll be aware like oh okay do i got to get on anymore you know i got a push up on anymore see what's what so it just

happened one of my childhood friends came so we end up selling up we ain't sell these no more no longer than uh a month and a half uh one of the options end up coming him and the homie was having words in reception, you know, me being me, I'm laid back. So I ain't, you know, I'm going to let the homie do his thing. So, oh boy, he ain't off the bus, 24 hours. We walk in a breakfast. You know, on the level 427, you walk to child. Yeah.

And for a child, for y'all don't know, that's, you know, going to eat in prison. And it's not the prison term. It's a military time. You know what I'm saying? So we walk in the child. So we slow dragging. So we wait on to catch up because he on the other side of the building. So when they released the sales,

they go from 101 to 105, 105 down on. So he all the way in 2.30. Then we got to wait. The nigga that's all right for him. I had a slidebo to get caught. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just for snowdraker. Yeah, yeah, like, what is they old? We got to keep the line.

We finally catch up with him. Minds you, when you get there, they get you a red jumpsuit with holes in it. Oh, wow. So they're like fishnets, a fishnet jumpsuit. So the homie hollering out They have a few words So I introduced myself He said something I don't like

I said hey folks Don't say that again He said again I end up taking off on him When I take off on him The homie jump in We end up beating him out The jumpsuit

And he ran across the yard To the police With his drawers out That's the introduction That's the introduction That's when all the politics Start getting the drone Yeah

Because everybody like dead Well hold on Because we bloods He'll blood And in prison two bloods ain't supposed to pack out of blood. Yeah, for sure. So now everybody's confused what's going on.

This is their introduction to the stories in Zillian prison. Yeah, because bro was just saying like, you know, them dick is squabble in prison when we were just putting it up. Because you know, we already, you know our biggest program. You ain't that just like what you said. You know, you're going in and everybody, you know, more of on the unity thing. You know, you're from this, you're from neighborhood. Okay.

Or you're from woo-woo. Or you from woo-woo. Yeah, but what does is different. You know, you see sacking. You're like, well, damn, where you're you? from in Sacks. Yeah. You got cars from within cars and Sack.

Like, where are you from? So this is, you know, they're introduction into us. So they're like, these niggas crazy. So after that, it was two dudes that came from Fresno, but they came from Sack County. So they end up getting the fight later on that night. So now the prisoners on lockdown, they didn't have like three, four incidents in a day. So as soon as we come off that lockdown, we go out to the yard. I'm coming back from work.

so it's two of them on this side of the yard and then it's a couple of them on this side of the yard so as soon as I come out they try to bless me so I'm blending one of them and then his homie Creek ended up jumping in so now I'm fighting him and him and then why this is going on my boy Dick

is getting on the other side of the gate with his dilla so after this we go to the hole so now we all in the hole we all trying to see who going back to the lines on instantly, you know, they come with cronos. You got to sign the cronos. They basically say, hey, man, we can program on the same line. So instantly, when they come, we all sign chronos, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Since I got jumped, they was asking me, like, you got any enemy consigners, anything of that nature, you know, it was RIG. They were doing an investigation. So I'm like, no, I ain't got no enemy consigns. You know, I can go back to the yard, whatever the case may be. My boy Dick and them had already went back the day before. But I had to go to RICC, the institutional classification system. So I ended up going to RCC

They end up clearing me So as soon as I get back to the yard The whole yard They're up Oh hey hey stay here Yeah Yeah They bring you out the cat

Yeah They bring you out the kid Yeah I end up coming out the whole Pepper spray Yeah what Come on now I end up getting hit

With the baton in the nose Yeah my shit split So They end up sending me to see far So I end up going into sell with an OG name Steele Bill from Swans. So at this time, he had been in prison for 36 years. Hold on real quick.

Before you do that, the reason why I said real soldier looked like that, I wasn't joking with him. I'm saying we put all our life in stripes up, and this is what we get as stripes, and this is what we believe is the best thing that we can get out the streets before we open up that third eye to life. Exactly. So that's why I said that.

And that's what I'm about to get at. Yeah, so now it was still bill. So that's why I'm like, that's why I said it so planly like that. Yeah. So now I'm still bill. So I get in there, he's like, hey, man, you was a youngster's on the yard game back the other day. So I'm like, yeah. So a couple days ago by, he just peeped my program. You know what them old niggas be.

Yeah, he's just watching, observation. So he said, look, he says, this is what you need to do. He said, man, you came into prison when you was 14. He said, man, they're going to let you go. They passed in these laws. They didn't pass at this time. They passed in the bill 260, which was juvenile offenders, who was 17 and under now had a chance to go up for parole after doing 25 years.

But even after doing 25 years, you still had to go up and be granted parole. So you're not automatically getting released. So they had passed it. So he's like, yeah, man, you know, get yourself a cell phone, man, get you a woman, start taking some of these self-help groups. And just focus on going home, man, because why you went here putting in all this work, look what they're doing. They're doing the same thing I'm telling you to do.

You're going to be stuck up in here. In a vincey, they're going to be out getting. some pussy and you're going to be in here jacking off. So what's more important to you? Your freedom or trying to impress these dudes? So, you know, me. Somebody could tell you. Me, I'm not really

thinking about it. You know, you're just planting seeds. So eventually, you know, they start sinking in. I started taking some of the self-help groups, boom, boom, boom, going to work. And then I was blessed to be around some OGs because they always make me mad. They always test me.

But the whole time, what they're doing is, me how not to react a different thing. So this is when I started maturing. So now I'm on the right course. So then I start reading books like George Jackson, a Soledad, brother, Huey P. Newton, Revolutionary Suicides, to Die for the People, Nelson Mandela, Warren, Walk to Freedom. Another book that was inspirational was Tuki Williams,

Blue, Black Redemption, because him going in as a gang member and then getting in there like me and myself did, because that would inspire me to write my book, Tuki Williams, Blue, Rage, Black Redemption, and George Jackson. all of that brothers because they see brothers in there stuck in the struggle and they actually building and realizing you know what's really going on that kind of like piqued my interest and curious and then I started yeah I started diving in that so then I slowly started changing

my program boom boom boom you know the laws is passed and I ended up getting me a girl she ended up coming 10 hours away from Sacramento to visit you know you get that first visit that's like charging your battery so I'm up there fully charged up there and renew me for another two years so how many years in before the first visit man, shit, for the first visit from a female, shit, I was, uh, because you gotta remember how it was, so young, going in, though, so it's like to even find a female that's going to stay,

no, no, no, I'm just saying, you know what I mean? Like, I just was thinking, like. You young, so the girls that show age is young. Yeah, so they don't even know about staying down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to catch back up. You don't have any day. Yeah, that's why I was saying that, so how many years is it? But I say before I got my first visit, uh, from a female,

Because you know, High Desert, we was always on lockdown, so it wouldn't even know thought about getting a visit. You know, the only thing you hoped for is a package. No, no, no, no, no. A high desert, you buy a Nevada. A Nevada Reno. Pelican Bayers buy Oregon. But up in the hard desert, you're just looking forward to a package.

You ain't looking forward to no store. You ain't looking forward to no visit. You're looking forward to a lockdown, a letter, and a package. So I lead there. So my first visit was probably 2015, so five years. First visit. Yeah, man. So you said that first visit, it recharged you and what?

To go to go another two years. But at this point, she was locked in. At this point, she was locked in. She wasn't even approved to get a visit. You know, they had the rule that you drive over 250 miles. You get approved on the spot. So she's like, I'm like, I ain't never heard no shit like that. Shoot the shot.

I said, but if you're going to try and try. I remember that shit. I remember that shit. Wait, you said, she said you do what? She said it. The rule book. say you drive over 250 miles that you instantly get approved

because you know what family visit? No no no no for visiting you know for the visiting process you have to be approved. Oh yeah. But if you drive over 250 miles you get approved on the spot without having to go to that long clearance process. So I'm like shit I ain't never heard it but go ahead

and try it. I'm like I ain't got nothing to lose. So you know me I'm like yeah that shit ain't coming. So I get there, I'm in the shower. I'm telling me, hey, I'm I'm telling everybody on the york. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to visit, but I don't believe it, though. Yeah, and so I'm in there to watch my head.

Like, Steve is visit. I'm like, oh, shit, I hear somebody say, bro, she really love you. Butterflies. I'm going on there, her head, sweating. She said, you nervous. I said, hell yeah. But now, when I got through her, man, I really opened my eyes, man. And then, like I said, I ended up taking self-help groups,

and I ended up getting in college. Yeah. So then, you know, taking all these college classes, because I ended up getting my A degree in psychology. So taking all these psychology classes, that started helping me learn myself. And now I'm looking at life. I'm like, damn, you know, I didn't live a certain lifestyle.

But, you know, during this time of living his lifestyle, I'm in jail, you know. Fortunately for me, I could call my homies and get things, but I'm watching people they call them their homies. They ain't there for them. They can't get a suit. They had my dog asking me for a suit. The girls, they thought they was in love with.

they leaving them. So I'm looking, I'm like, damn, man, then you're hearing these rap songs and stuff like that. And you're hearing how they promote their lifestyle. And I'm like, damn, man, these dudes is promoting a false narrative, you know, life and what's going on. And me being this young and doing what I did at this age

and, you know, taking another human being life for the cause that I believe in. And now me knowing right from wrong and opening, like you said, my third eye, I'm like, well, look, I got an obligation to get back to future generations and let them know, you know that this is not the way to live. Like, this is not what it is. Like, you should be able to, if we calling ourselves a gang or we calling ourselves homies, you know, like I say,

a lot of people say, oh, you don't know about you shit, but if we, a gang, if we're a family or we moving as one, when I fall, you should pick me up. For sure. You know what I'm saying? For sure. So that meaning, if I go to jail, we never was taught that type of loyalty.

We were taught to kill for one another, watch each other back. But then, like, you don't get trained in all angles of loyalty to where, money and certain assets come around and a person can't achieve those same goals, it turns in the greed and it turns into a nigga slimy you

out trying to back though you. But see, the thing about it now is even if you're looking at it right now, though, is people are doing what's trending. So a person may know right or wrong, but they're doing what's trending. So me sitting back and doing all this time, you know, I'm detached.

Like, you know, I get the cell phone, I'm promoting my documentaries, promoting my books. but I'm able to observe and look that these dudes are being sold a false message and not as I'm sitting in this position and going through what I'm going through and hearing people rap

you know about the things that I did and it's kind of like glorifying it I have to go out here and say look this is not what you want to do even though I did this this is not the footsteps that you want to follow because if you follow these footsteps this is a very hard path you know like I say like

we got this clothing line right here on lonely nights the reason why I wore this because this is by my Boy Slim, you know, Sacramento. We also got Skull go crazy. But the reason why this, this, this, you know, hoodie resonated so much with me because during that time over them 17 years and six months, it was a lot of lonely nights. A lot of lonely nights.

I'm talking about lonely nights, hungry nights, starving nights. I want to be loved nights. Facing the wall nights. See, facing the wall. So it's like, you know, look that. Once I open my eyes, it's like I got an obligation to come and give back to the future generations to let them know that what they're hearing is not the real.

Like when you get involved in this lifestyle, it's going to be tough and it's going to be a lot of lonely nights, late days, and heartaches and pain breaks. Yeah, for sure. For sure. How many years in when you stop having dreams, you like being in the streets and popping

back in yourself? Well, to be honest, it's right. All my dreams, right, has mostly been me on the streets. And the whole time, the whole time. Oh, yeah, it's destined. And look, the whole time I was incarcerated, everybody else was around me, always came to me saying, hey, man, I had a dream. We was on the streets.

Hey, man, I had a dream. We was on the streets. My whole time being incarcerated. Yeah, everybody was on the streets with you. Exactly. So, yeah, it was a bastard. My boy, right here. My boy, my boy, sting dollars.

Too much before I got out, he told me. He said, hey, man, I had a dream, man. We was on the streets. That's crazy. Two months before I got out. Totally. That's crazy. He was on the street together, bro.

Y'all was down together at the time? No, I was out. Oh, yeah. He had got out. He had just got out. He had just got out from Calipat. Yeah, my brother ain't had no dream like that. Like, I just had a dream.

You, that's crazy. So when you, you didn't know you was coming home until your shit got overturned and let you out the next day? Well, see, what happened with me was, you know, they had passed some case law. Well, they didn't pass no case law, but a dude named People v. Hurd. He had won his case, basically saying that since he had 103 years of life, because this time people that had life without parole was able to be resentenced under 1170D. So he basically told the course, hey man, since I have the

functional equivalent, meaning that in three years equals up to the amount of life without parole, I should have a chance to be resenting since I was 17 and under and fit all these criteria. So when he did that, he opened the door for a lot of juveniles and we all followed a suit and the attorneys came and told us about it. And we filled out the paperwork and sent it in. Like at the time, when I fell out of mine, I called the attorney.

I said, hey, man, I heard about this new law. The attorneys came to see me. He flowed told me I couldn't do it. So I took my own initiative, filtered out myself, and got the case number of myself, and got the courts accepted myself. And then I called him back and said, hey, man, look, they accepted my stuff. And, oh, well, let me be your attorney. So I end up filing that.

That's crazy. Who, the same dude? The same dude. That's crazy. That's crazy. The same dude. And then, you know, when he, when he accepted the case, I could tell. he ain't really passionate about it.

Yeah. So I'm calling him every day. Hey, man, what's going on? Hey, man, what's you doing? Hey, man, did you think about this? Hey, man, did you think about that? And he kind of like, oh, man, I do what I do. I'm like, now you're just not going to do what you do.

This is my life. It's my life. I didn't let you talk about it. I didn't let you all right. It's a piece of paper to you. But now that I know, I'm definitely not going for this. Like I said, when they gave me all this time, I was 16, so I didn't know. But now that I know, and I got this one chance.

to get out because right now me just sitting right here doing this interview is a blessing because I'm supposed to still be in prison for life for sure so of course I'm not about to just let you do what you do so I'm only long story short eight months later it's uh I remember the exact day it's April 8

I get on the phone with him like hey man you heard anything from the courts oh yeah man send me something I said well what did they sense you they sent you something oh what did they say yeah he got some bitch on So it just happened. I'm on the phone with, hey, Steve, it's legal mail.

So that means the courts in talking what they're going to do. So I get off the phone with, hey, man, I got to call you back out some legal mail. Read it. Oh, we're going to deny your people versus heard. So I'm like, damn. Another denial. Then I'm reading it, reading it, and then it's say,

but under AB 600, under AB 600 1172.1, under this new resentencing law that we passed in January of 2000, Now that me, the judge has the power to recall your sentence. I'm going to consider recalling your sentence because the way that we treat juveniles right at this moment has significantly changed since we incarcerated you. So I'm going to consider resentencing you. So I called my attorney back.

I'm like, hey, he like, man, what do you want, man? I just got off the phone with you. I said, man, I got what they said. So as soon as I read it to him, he said, oh, man, it sounds like the judge wanted to do a deal. I said, what do you mean a deal? he's like basically man if they resentence you under what you filed you may be able to sue

but if we come with a deal and you plead guilty to a manslaughter 11 years they uphold a conviction you can't sue and you're free so everybody wins yeah and you won't be able to sue them yeah I'm in prison 17 years and six

months what niggin? Running. He's like are you sure am I sure? I said that am I sure So he typed it up, boom, boom, email the DA. Calling back two weeks later, hey, man, you heard anything? I ain't heard nothing.

I'm like, damn. So now you got tablets in prison. So one day I come in, this is like my third yard. I come in from night yard, boom, boom, boom. I hop on my tablet and you get messages. Yeah. So I got a message from my attorney, John Stoller. I said, oh, this is different.

Yeah, he emailed me. Hey, please contact me immediately. Yeah, yeah. I said, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. This is 30 days later. May 16th. He reached out to him April 16th, just May 16th.

So I called him. Matter of fact, I had a decker for the law library. I'll leave the law library early. They're like, hey, man, where are you going? I got something to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I called his office. The secretary reply, I'm like, hey, man, John Steller there.

I don't know. He might be in office. He might not. He might not say, man, tell him Mr. Stevens on the phone. So he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, here. So he said, hey, man, I got some news. for you said hey man they're gonna do the deal for the manslaughter this this and that

but you gotta waive your rights to appeal the people versus her decision and he said now I want you to know what that means if you don't appeal if you appeal that and you win it then you go back to juvenile court and it's like it never happened yeah he said but if you take the deal it's gonna be on your record

I said look man I ain't even hear nothing you said I'm taking a deal yeah yeah straight up so you got it on your record exactly yeah that me I out of this motherfucker. That's what I was saying, this is an idiot rap.

So I'm like, how long is this going to take? He's like, oh, man, it's going to take a, you'd be at home in a couple weeks. Yeah.

So one day I'm on the yard. I'm going to hollied my boy King Sag from Long Beach from 20s. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, man, an attorney, because he had, I showed him,

he's like, yeah, I called my attorney asking about it. He said, bro, you're going home. So I'm like,

damn, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nick, Nigger asked you.

He did it all this time. Nigger, like, man. My boy said, he's the longest days you had jail. He's like, nigga. He's like going there, nigga, to call your attorney, tell him, he got a celebrity in prison. Each day I'm waiting to hear,

my life is in jeopardy, and I need to take my deal. And so I went in there, I called him. I said, hey, man, you got a celebrity. He said, look, me, Steven. He said, you got court tomorrow. He let you finish. He let you finish. He let me finish.

He said, man, you got court tomorrow. He said, man, go. So I go on the court I'm supposed to be taking my deal He ain't like No we're not gonna give him to him the day We need to redo the paperwork I'm like damn

God damn I didn't tell everybody else coming home I didn't got denied There's some shaky shit going on Yeah for sure I said oh They said redo the paperwork You didn't think of the worst now

I'm just over I called my attorney I called my attorney Like man if she's playing We're just gonna appeal it It can take nine months But we're gonna win it I'm like nine months

Like damn That's like a never the year, you know what shit be happening in the prison? You got these dudes in here all spice. They catting out. They ain't cat down on a space. I might not even be here in a year, dicking shit. So I go to court, just like,

well, look, you got three days. So I go to court three days later, June 3rd. I'm in there. It's at 1.30. They don't call me to 2. I'm like, damn, I didn't take the deal back. They got some shady shit going on. Why? It's cold. How are you all. It was. So, boom.

I go on there, they called me 2-10. She said, Mr. Steven, we're gonna recall your sentence. I said, it's over. I wouldn't even listen no more after that. Then I tuned back in, then took my deal. They recalled my sentence from first-degree murder. Took off the 50 years of life.

Reduced my first degree to a manslaughter. The shoulders just start loosening up. It was like automatically shifted to the streets. You know, they asked me, did I have anything to say? You know, I told them I was remorseful for the crime. Now that I see what life really is that I'm gonna use my life as a tool and the story to educate the youth and show them what a road not to head and two So I end up speaking about my remorse apologizing to the family for you know my actions and you know hormin and hurting the community and destroying the community

And I also told the judge that I was gonna use my life as an example so now that I've been out of prison I also been working on part four to the documentary series finally free You'll see a lot of my movements and my evolution and since I've been out of to do them 17 years and six months, especially those of y'all who've been following me since I've made my first documentary that's on YouTube, Louis State of Struggle, Young Black Men in America. Then I also got the second documentary, Louis State, beautiful elevation. Then I got the third documentary with all my brothers in the prayer. Because, you know, that's another reason why I call myself Big State of Prisoner's voice,

because, you know, I'll speak for the voiceless, you know, for those who don't have a voice in prison that, you know, that's crying, that silent, that people may not hear him. So I'm here to say that you know. He don't think he loved dirt. You know what I mean? You know, he said he's the voice of the streets, man. I'm the voice of the prisons, man. You know, people that's hard.

Going through that struggle, you know, like these concrete walls you see, they got to sleep through those 24-7. You know what? It's the same way. You know, smoother than that. I hear a lot of rappers, you know, I'll be watching a lot of interviews and stuff, and they be talking about, you know,

I had a pot in there that was doing life. Rappers saying that. Even Nick Mills said, you know, I had a pot in there that was doing life. he had all the money in the world, but he said he'd give up all that money just to get his freedom back. And I'm like, well, that's his partner. And he's telling you his story, but I'm the actual living example of that partner with life. And I'm here, you know, to speak for those who, you know, have life without parole that have been in there educating and rehabilitating themselves.

And, you know, life has that been in there educating and rehabilitating themselves that really deserve a second chance of life? Because when I went in there, like I say, I did the first gang murder, which I'm not proud of. But it's the facts, you know, what goes on. but I'm here to say that you know this is not the way that you want to live that you know these things as you're hearing this rap song that's not what happens when you really out here on the lawns

you know what I'm saying because when you're really on the lines you're going to go through the struggle for sure you're going to go through them watching them, you're going to go through blowing a lot of money because you're living in a fast life boy if anybody see you

when you get cracking and they got all type of cameras for your ass now your ass is going to jail you better believe Exactly. You better hope the person that's in you got to go to work and they're fined to get fired, man. They can't get your license place or something. That's what you better hope that they don't got no witnesses because it ain't know.

Time's changed. Like you go do something. You're throwing your life away. They ping your phone. They're doing all the type of shit. Not only that, but I'm here to say because, you know, once I was young, you know, popping to eat pills smoking weed. You live in this fast life and you, you know, with your friends and things like that. And you're not really thinking about it.

But I'm here to say like, you know, this is not really the lifestyle that you want to live because, you know, them fast moments cost you a long moment. And then when you get that long moment, all that tough you was doing because a lot of dudes, you know, you see them on the streets, they be being tough and things like that. And when they get in jail, they can't stand on their own, too. And me personally, I wasn't one of the homies that was super extrad out or nothing like that. I think the reason I got through my 17 years and six months because I was myself, I wasn't too tough, I wasn't too hard, you know what I'm saying? time somebody needed something from me, you know, I'm for the people, so I'm going to give it to them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, you know what I mean? People with godly manners, they get the godly consequences, you know what I'm saying? Because no good deed goes all

punished. Most of the people that you look out for, you can't even expect that every turn. Exactly, but you don't. You know, as a Muslim, that's part of my Zakat. Every day I have to do some type of charity. And as a cat is really just, like I say, charity. So, it doesn't have to be material. It could be smiling. That's about saying a kind word. Like me, I even sometimes go out and feed the homies and things of that nature. It's not because, you know, they homins.

This is my zakat. This is something I'm obligated to do under this Islamic law. I'm saying? Show compassion for people. So that's another reason why I push like that. But after doing, you know, 17 years and six months and going to jail at 14, coming out at 32, you're hearing all this rap music. You're seeing how all these dudes is turned up.

and you're hearing the message they're putting out but then when I'm looking at it and I'm like they're not telling you this other side that you see in my documentary when you see me brushing my teeth and spitting in that toilet when you see me washing my clothes in them sinks or when I'm sitting here stuck on this 24 hour lockdown

and I can't call you because you ain't got no money on your phone it's back when you have to have money on your phone and then it's bad to put a curtain up around the sink and take a shower whereas they got tablums and free calls and people homie still ain't answering the phone So what that tell you?

So I'm here, you know. They don't want to hear about it. It didn't matter the money. They never knew the price to put the money on the phone. They wasn't trying to hear it. They weren't trying to hear. Oh, that's that jail number. Certain homies overdo it, though.

They don't know. They're not doing. Being in prison, you know what's going on. So you've got to be fair. Yeah. Because we're out now. Yeah. So you got to be fair.

It's people who overdo shit. Yeah. You know, man. Just overdoing the field of. We're going to be overdue it's like this, man. Some people really don't have nothing, but some people put their self in a position to not have nothing. And that's where I draw my line.

Yeah, for sure. I'm a person that I'd rather give you something to your hustle. Look, I've seen you some cards or something. You better sell that shit. You feel, me, or some candy, I'm not going to keep sending you money because obviously you ain't doing nothing. Most definitely. For sure.

You're not about to keep getting hot. You got to stuff. Yeah, you feel. You got to. The cat team, there's going to stow buddy, you know, and,

you have been, like, where are your lawyer at because you try to get an appeal you keep on having me piece up on these cell phones, I'd rather my little couple of rats go to that at this point.

Most definitely. This was 15 years straight. You know what I'm saying? That's another thing I'm telling, brothers, a good thing you mentioned that about the phone is that I'd be seeing a lot of these dudes

and they cut up on these phones, but you're not doing nothing with it. For the wrong reason. Like you're not. You got dudes that will sacrifice their freedom for a phone in prison. When this is just a tool to be able to, you know, promote and create things out into society. Because with a phone in prison, that's your way of reaching out to the world. A lot of people just celebrate in prison with a phone.

Exactly. That's a thing to celebrate. Exactly. You know, you see dudes in there spreading trying to make a look cool. Ain't nothing cool about that. When you got to really sit there in that cell and you're doing the same thing, year-in, day in, day out. Every day. Rice bowl.

Rito. Taco. Every time just in a different manner. I never started phones. So I was like, this before I wrapped or anything. Exactly. You used to see me on there. This is in 2014.

I'm showing clothes and, you know, prison living in this. The first started seeing videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, what are you? I'm just a nigga in prison. I'm going to tell him that. Yeah. Like, I was going to be in prison.

But they like, they was interested, but now it's to the point where that was he. So long ago. So when I see it now, I'm like, damn. it's the maturity like, damn, my niggil was just celebrating being in prison. Exactly. Blue or find something,

not even knowing it because when the little homies looking at it, they think we're having a good time. When it's really not a good time, you're really like, damn, I wish I was out at that club. Or I wish I was out with that female. I'm coping with what's going all

through showing this shit off. It's like, this is me imitating what y'all doing out there. It's like, this is my connection. This is me wishing. I was free, you know what I'm saying? So it's different. Get on the phone with all the homies is looking to everybody.

Y'all like, nigga, free you? I love you, niggins, you feel me? It's got to get off and just pass the phone. Yeah, for sure. I don't want to be on it. Exactly. Sometimes I'm pressing shit. They make you sad.

Then, like, nigga, 50% of the niggas is saying free, you feel, trying to call. Hey, that's what it is. Don't accept the free call right there. You know what I'm saying? At least 50 to 60% of everybody pick it up the phone. No, it's crazy, though, because like I say, a person, you know,

People do that just for, you know, cloud these days and things of that nature. But it's like me. If I see somebody posting something about a homey funeral or something, I might not say it openly, but I slide in his DM like, well, okay, how much money you give his family? Yeah. Look, fuck the post. Don't do the thing for the post. How much money did you give more?

You know, how do you contribute to that? That's what I do. You know what I don't post my dad on me because my, I'm starting to have a bigger following. So I don't even be liking people playing like that. Yeah, yeah. So I don't ever put some family to be feeling a certain type of way. I was like, man, huh. But you gotta have that.

I'm gonna play my part. No, no, no. Exactly. They don't understand it. Other people don't understand. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm like, I'm still coming with this.

So it don't matter about no motherfucking Instagram post. You're not getting off to that. Because now you're letting the nigga know my weakness. Yeah. See, you don't. You know a nigga week right now because I'd have lost my boy. I'm not doing that. Yeah.

You got to. You know what I mean? Yeah. See, people don't understand, right? Social media, period, just a platform. It's not something for you to get cut up in, get cut up in a matrix or nothing like that, you have to be able to

use it as a platform, be responsible with it. Watch what you put now. So, like I say, after doing this time, now it's like I'm showing people the things that they should be doing. You know what I'm saying? And I'm speaking on things that they need to be here. Because the way people move, you would think that Instagram got like a life

insurance kind of because you're, yeah, for sure. I just went off in and thinking something else. Like you were talking about. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly, bro. I just was like picturing some shit somebody lost their life

dude, all that time of shit. Yeah, dude. You know, when you was growing up, especially like certain ages, you were always hear like people say, uh, uh, there's too many chiefs and not enough Indians, right? Yeah, for sure.

But now it's just too many Indians. Yeah. Nobody's too many nays followers. Nobody wants to be leaders. It's like, say this is wrong. It's our generation fault, I feel like because we don't be on them niggas. I ask like the older homies used to be on us.

See, make a good point because I was telling somebody. We don't be on them like that. Like how they used to be on us, we don't do that. It's a gap. Look what he said. He's 30, right? So think about the youngest right now is like 17. But they, what, we

wasn't telling like that. That's kind of why, Nick, they don't be playing coach. Like, the niggis tell it more now. It's like, man, I'm going to just keep my game my game, man. Because everybody got to just be their self because you don't know who's who no more. At first it was like, I, and it was consequences, and these were scared to tell.

Now it's just like, shit, he got to get out of jail free court, till he's ready to use it. That's why. That's why now, man, like I say, I come with the measures is you don't even want to put yourself in that position. For sure. Because it'd be a thousand dudes acting tough. But, like, even when they be making them post, I ain't never sniffed, but you can't post that paperwork. A lot of y'all ain't even never fight no real case. Yeah.

I'm saying. Yeah, you haven't been there yet. You haven't even been in interrogation for a crime. How are you going to sit here and be like, oh, he's snitch. And you ain't never even been in a situation. You just talking. Now, if you're somebody who's been in situations,

then that's a different conversation. You know what I'm saying? But people do that. Post that. You got, you went to jail for domestic violence. Exactly. For a stolen car. You didn't.

It's a bullshit. Like, come on now, man. You wasn't involved. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't.

He didn't. Listen, man. They ain't never hit you with it. Digger, you're about to do a 30-pack for a deal. Man, what? 40 years. Yeah, 18. What do you say on that one song?

40 years. I can't do no 40 years. It'd be some real stuff, though, because, you know, if you be doing that. You'd be doing that. You'd be doing that with people. And then it'd be serious consequences. And now it ain't no fun in games.

So why not, you know, see a living example and say that, you know, I don't want to take that road, you know, because like I say, doing all that time, 17 years and six months at 14 and coming down at 32. It's a lot of lonely days, late nights, depression, anger, you know, you mad at yourself, you mad at the world, you mad at your homies, you mad at your girl, but at the whole time when you finally really do that self-insight, that real knowledge, when you really open up that third eye, at the end of the day, you ain't got nobody but to be mad at yourself. Yeah.

And once I reached that point of taking account of that, that's... and responsibility for my actions. It's like, okay, well, how am I going to use this? Well, I need to let, you know, the future generations know that this is not the way that you want to live. I had just recently interviewed the potential mayor for Sacramento, Dr. Flo, and I was asking her about, you know, bringing down the gang violence and trying to bring the community back together as one.

And how can, you know, in the North Sacramento, they got a big brother. So I was asking her, how do we create a nonprofit for a big brother in the South area of Sacramento so that we can help, you know, the kids. kids that's in poverty in that area that needs somebody to look up to and come over there for guidance. And then also me and my boy, we got the podcast about to come out the price of listening. You know, the OGs always say the game is sold, not told. No, the game is given when a person want to listen.

So, you know what you're going to get the game. You know what I'm saying? The OG say that with them OGs was talking about some pimping type game. You know what I'm saying? The game for life is to be told. No, no, I'm going to give it to you, right? So it was given to me by OG, right? So when I went into prison, I came in similar to that.

You feel me, trial as an adult. I get in the cell. And I have my own way of looking at life. He understands it, but he cares. He cares. Yeah. Feel me? He knows my family.

He cares. You feel me? So he sits me down, and as he's talking, he's like, you have something where your generation feel like, you got to be a gangster. Yeah. They don't take nothing to kill somebody. Yeah. You don't have to act like you're going to kill somebody to kill somebody. It's killers that don't act like they're going to kill somebody.

He's like, that's where y'all f*** up. He was a player, though. You get him what I'm saying? He like, get you some money. Yeah. If you want any advice, get you some money first. And then you'll look at life a little different. Yeah.

So he will always say that. The game is to be sold, not tell, but the price is what? I throw out numbers. You feel me? I'm just trying. I'm missing. What is he always tell me this. He was strict.

Like, oh, geez, in prison A, they talk bad to a dick. Yeah, yeah, they talk crazy to you. They talk crazy. Do I got to get out with this whole thing? Like, you know, you get that a thing. Like, you're like, you're making my morals. Like, if you don't know, say you don't know. Yeah.

And I'm like, because you just acting like you know something. Yeah. If you don't know something, say you don't know. Because he, his thing was like lack of knowledge. You don't know, nigga. Say you don't know so I can teach you. Yeah. So I get tired and guess.

this shit. I don't know. He liked the prices to listen. I sat there and I'm like, damn. That's crazy. If you listen and you can go into pimping, right? Like you said. So let's say you got a pimp. Right? He gets this female. He can have all the game in the world

and she paid attention for one day. Yeah. She didn't pay for that. She paid attention. But you can have a woman with that same man for years and not learn nothing. For sure. She ain't paid attention. So it's really, the price is paying attention. Yeah, for sure. And that's anything. So when it come to the young generation, you just got to pay attention to what's real and was fake.

Yeah. You know, you got to be authentic in the game and realize what's real and what's fake. Because it's a lot of fake shit out here. Yeah, man. So the price of listening. Y'all take heed to what he's saying. The price of listening is irreplaceable. It's no price to the game in some people's eyes.

But what I was telling you about, Pippen, that's where I was trying to go. I get what you're saying. They tearing off the older pimp for information. The younger pimps is getting pimped up. But they come with the game, I guess. I don't know. We come from another culture. You get what I'm saying.

And they're going to go against it and me and Sharp going to fight and all that shit, whatever it is. But, at the end of the day, in some form of fashion, they're telling you what to do with your bitch in order to keep her hypnotized and to stale and try and learn to play ball at it's all about how you got the game see now you can get the game gave to your wrong because like the nigga that laced me said who's the lame that knows the game and where do he learning from now break that down yeah but that's not what i understand i understand what you're saying about what he's telling you to do you can't do that

that's what i'm getting to that's yeah you can't do that you always got to your own research Yeah, you're paying to figure out life, which you're about to figure out anyway. If you're a nigga who's doing that, you are. You are. No, you don't know that's really what go on in Pember. You think I'm making something up? Like when they all from one congregation gang, they all pay the leader. Like, Don Juan and them, they retired.

And Ken and them they retire because they, oh, geez, and they're giving niggins game. But they still got to make their money. And they're getting money off the game. They don't have to work the bitch no more. Right, right. right, they go on and right. Right. Now they're

new pimps and the ball. Exactly. They ain't raising new pimps. Yeah, I mean? Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying.

20, 24 this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you where they speak. They're strong-minded individuals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm saying, Eric, hell of a little class. Yeah. A little sauce to it. Where do you? Because I, I, I, the game,

I know that the game is heavy up there, so, like, the gang culture, down here, I fuck with the peas, but up there, like, is that, like,

second go hand-in-hand like a nigga got a bitch and a dick, because, like, remember when we was young, they was frowning down on that. It's the culture. Yeah, it's the culture.

It's everywhere. Yeah. Just being real, in California, for show. For sure. It's across the United States. But this,

California is popular, you know, And we got California, Texas, Memphis, Chicago, Chicago, yeah, Detroit. My bad, the Midwest period. The Midwest of the West period. Baltimore. Well, we feel. No, of course.

But it's the culture. And, I mean, we don't frown upon it because it's like this. A nigga can't judge nobody. Who, you know, some niggas go get it every type of way. We got homies that get it every type of way. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like, it's not, we're not here to judge nobody. You feel me?

Because you remember it was a point in time where they were like, you can't be a game. We got to be a game store of him. You can't mix the game. We always had the game mentality. That's another reason why I was interested in doing the interview with you because I think that we got similar bad girls. We both come from the gang mentality. So, you know, I felt it was best that that's how it had to happen. Yeah, you already know, man.

That's how, like, we come. You know, like, I just, let me not, let me see how I'm a word. because I don't be well to like cook. I'm carefully. I got to learn how to do that because these cameras are young. All right, boy, once a bitch told me my word

if I never, ever went against it. Can't. That's where you're going to get all your game. Your mom was the first one to give you the game. Your mama, yeah. Your mom, your first one to give you the game.

Why did you let these bitches come around all this for free? For free. I'm at the mansion. I'm like these bitches. Man, they can't go nowhere else like that. Like, woo, woo. Can't even go to the club for free.

Exactly. What? Exactly. Can't get this ready for free. Once I got that mentality, it was just like, hey, baby, you just got to bring something to the table. You know what I understand? I understand it. Yeah.

Understand it. We don't frown upon it. We got it in the neighborhood, you know. We got it in the neighborhood. Yeah. So I go into that because I was just like moral codes and all that. And then, like, it's a whole lot of, like, dry snitching, all type of, like, snitching going on right now that hasn't been, like,

all right, you got the gutter type snitching, then you got the YSL Woody. And then the gutter type snitching ain't really snitching. It's just they play, and we're going to get into all of that. Let's get into the gutter first. Then we're going to get into Yersliddy. So what's the, what does y'all take on Gutter? Look, man. Me personally, look, I'm going to just say this.

I don't like speaking on shit that I ain't involved in because it'd be shit that don't really be known. Exactly. And it'd be hitting a little shit. So the best, me in our section, we politic our shit seriously, though. You feel me? It's an in-house jury trial.

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. Blurring lines and shit like that. If a niggins. But we're talking about a state that wasn't raised on superstructure. So now take that out.

You got to take that out. that out. How we program right here, you can't expect them to be behind that mindset. You know, this is, you know, take this right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you feel? How do you feel? But I feel like for what Gunna did, he would, because I've seen diggas do that. You're going to get squabble down. You definitely get, you know what I mean, you're going to get squabble down by the nigga pack with just, dig a cop it out early on the play. Like, you're supposed to stay down to the track. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, what they asked you was like general statements. In our case, they asked

us if we was from Oak Park or, I mean, whatever. If I was from rolling 60s or G. Parkway, we're going to say, yeah. Like, if it's a part of our deal, we got the gang allegations. The gang has been out there. So that's like taking a deal to a gang enhancement case. Like, you're aware of

the Rolling 60s of the crimes that they commit and all that shit. You get what I'm saying? Like, yeah, whatever, bitch. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, a nigga would have had my lawyer change up the wording to that deal. Especially. You got to be sure.

See, you agreeing to and what's being said that you're saying. Because that's where I was speaking to him about a situation where I had in my case, the police created a statement for somebody. And you would think that that can't happen, but I'm telling. No, you can't go off a police statement. And I'm telling you this, as a nigger who just did time for this case on a level four, the police admitted in a trial that they made. made a statement for somebody.

So the game is fucked up. Yeah. And they signed it? Yeah, they said we didn't have a recording there, so we just went off our recollection of what she said. Oh, yeah, you can't go off a police statement. No, no. What type of shit is that?

Yeah, no. At all, any dick of politics or police statement is they hate you, Armin. I said this because they know you can't go out of now, man. That was like the coldest shit I had seen. I'm like, damn, they just, they just said that. I'm like, this was just, that was deep. But I'm deep.

I feel, you know, I feel, you know, to me it's like, whatever you got going on, you have to be accountable for yourself. So anything outside yourself, leave it along. Exactly. I'm only talking about me. So, you're not asking me about nobody else. If you take a deal with anything outside yourself, leave it alone. Now, they grow big, but notice, there's everybody first rodeo fighting the real case. Like you said, bingers don't know what type of shit they're going to do.

dude until they fight a case. Exactly. You get what I'm saying? And even that, like, just being too eager to get out. Because I don't even feel like he meant no harm. I felt like he was going to say whatever that thing to get out. Because if that's the case, he could took an interrogation and told everything he knew about them, diggins. You get

what I'm saying? See, I look at it in two ways, right, because me going to jail at such a young age, it really didn't hit me like that because I was so young. But now, picture yourself with millions of dollars. You live in a good life. They got all. got you in jail.

And now you're sitting for 24 hours in the cage you're like, whoa. Digger, fresh out of bayback. Fresh out of bayback in the match. This is what we rap about? Yeah.

They ain't even flew with a nigga he don't know on a plane in the last two years. Pitcher waking up to a boom. Picture waking up to one of them OG smokers. Digging with the feet crusty. So you went from a million dollars

to sleep with this dude that's farting all night. You're like, I gotta get up out of here. I got to get out of here. It'd be crazy. It's, we, be like that though. Niggins scratch to this toes.

And we do. It's like this interview was important because niggas is the product of the realness. We rap. Y'all going to hear. We come in. You feel me?

We got the EP coming out. It's coming. It's important that niggas see the other side. Yeah, for sure. That it is a struggle to it. And sometime you got to go through the struggle before you shone. Yeah, yeah.

You feel me? It's in reverse order for some niggas. Yeah, for sure. You feel me? 100%. For sure. And then especially, you don't, when you, certain places and you calling yourself, you know, like an older brother and things of that nature,

it's your obligation to show your little brothers the right from wrong. And like I tell people, you know, they may not even be, you may not even think they may be listening, but just planting them seeds, letting them grow. Once they hit that wall and they get to think about everybody that did right by them, you get what I'm saying, once they run into the right shit to where they got time to think and they think about every piece of advice that was ever issued out to them because I did it. did it. You know who was there for you, who was saying the right

thing, who was just bullshit. But some of them was ignorant, too, so you can't really take it out of them. Like, it was blind leading the blind all the time. I tell people all the time, man, like, the older homies wasn't responsible for or down for it because they only teaching us what they know. Yeah, they didn't.

It's not really a lack of, running the banks and shit. It's not really a lack of it. It's kind of like a lack of knowledge, but it's really like, you can't call it a lack of knowledge if a person that grew up this way, and that's all they know. Because if that's all you know, it's not a lack of knowledge because you don't have the knowledge. So they only teaching us from what they thought was right. And it wasn't right.

So we can't hold them accountable and be mad at them because they only taught us what they knew. But at the same time, at the Wheaton went through these struggles and him doing his 11 years, me doing my 17 years and six months. Now we have an obligation to be a better big brother. And it was a lot more homeowners when this was going on. You know what I'm saying? None of that shit are our territory right there. We've been noitering. You get what I'm saying?

It was a lot of people and families that own that neighborhood where they started off, police and their neighborhoods and keeping everything straight. There's a lot of people that own that shit. Me and him spoke about that, about the history of gangbagan. You got niggas now who gangbang that don't know, no history about what they're doing. They just doing it because they think it's cool.

They want to be a crypt because they see a couple rappers that's cool as cool, they don't even know why niggas. They don't know why niggas. They don't know. All they know is, okay, today this is what I want to do because it look hell of cool. You feel me? So that's lack of knowledge.

That's why I always say that because once you do, a lot of people be thirsty for learning shit that's different. And it's like, we the era that can give game back and you can be successful for the game. Yeah, for sure. Because it's platforms, it's opportunities now. You ain't got to be a loser. You feel me? That's the difference.

You ain't got to be a little. They're going to show you that you could be a fly guy that still got his demeanor and don't got to be a crash out. You don't have to. You don't have to. Exactly. You feel like that shit is really the easy way to go. Exactly. It's hard to get up every day and do what you do. And you don't got to worry about

dropping no kids off at school. You ain't got worried about making no money. None of that. That ain't no rent. None of that. Everybody can't wake up, come, you feel me, and do this every day. That's a rather sit at home. For sure. You on a game. For sure. That's a

story I always tell about the Mexicans. And when you see them out to add, on the size of the road, they be selling their corn and stuff, and we used to make fun of them. Now you come back to respect them because they was running actual businesses. Come on, man. And in the black community, this is what we need to start doing. We need to start teaching our kids how to run their own businesses, whether it's going back to the lemonade sales. That's what I'm saying.

We're doing that again. Start the water boys up there. Yeah, we're going to have the kids out there selling water. We're going to get back to building up the community. My nieces and interviews back with the lemonade. And they're in some cool communities where they get black five. 10-9 cup, man. That's what I'm saying.

We got to teach that. Chick-fil-A-Lago. We got to say, it's a homemade joint right here. We got to bring that back. Teaching the welfare and that. That's not what we should be teaching. We need to be teaching that.

It's facts, and it's being real. You feel me, we can't keep using crutches. We got to teach each other. I say that shit all the time. And we got to keep the dollar in our own community. Like me and my boy, we could have came on here with some Gucci. We could have came out here with some Louisville time. But we support local.

We buy them black. We burn from, you know, our home team. You know what I'm saying? We're trying to keep the dollar in our own community. They don't know how important that is. And that's why the problem they was having with the Asians, with the stores and all the black communities, because the money don't go back to the community.

You're taking money from all the locals and going and taking it back to Korea Town or Chinatown, wherever y'all is. No, no, no, because we were. How we respond to shit. We want to rush and do what we see. Because niggas take that shit is what to do. Yeah. But what it is is...

They don't understand that you gotta go back. You all have the same 24 hours also. Like, we wasn't taught to have good credit to get this spot. We rented out, put some groceries in there and sell liquor and cigarettes to our own people. They're taking our bad habits, capitalizing off of it and taking the money somewhere else.

That's what you feel. But at the end of the day, why we didn't step up the ones that did have money. Okay, it was people that couldn't do it, but it ain't a million stories out here. Why are the people that didn't have money centralized that? You know what I'm saying? Even now it's a huge problem, right?

Because I came home and you see a lot of these dudes, man, they got all these gold chains. They got all these watches and things like that. But they're living in the core. Like, whoa. But now that comes from a lack of financial literacy. So now, you know, I was talking to this young lady the other day. She is very educated in, you know, financial literacy.

So I was telling her, you know, what we need to do is we need to organize a community event and start teaching the kids and these other people money management you know what I'm saying so now we're about to start things like that in the community money management teaching the community money money management things of that nature things that's really important instead of wasting your money on the gold chain you could have put that 40 50 000 into a house come on now or buying you a brand new bond you a brand new court you could got some land you could invest it in some way these ligners don't even know they got the great labs you got some

of these lab divers in your shit. They're not going nowhere to check. They're selling you a watch. They're selling you a watch for $60,000. When they go into their jeweler, they do it's right. When they go into their jeweler, take their watch, and ask the man to look at it, right? And to tell you what it is.

Yeah, for sure. He's going to go get a tester because he can't tell you. Yeah, for sure. You can bring the niggas some glass and he's going to say, it looks, let me go get this, let me go, because he can't tell you. There's going in there with the scope. the nigga that don't know.

Yeah, they go out in there with the scope. Yeah, you let the nigga that don't really know nothing to tell you what you're going to spend your money on. People got to work up, man. They know what they're going to go buy that shit for. They're going to play stupid with you. Yeah, man, yeah. People need to focus really on the things that really matter. So how do you feel about YSL Woody getting all this praise and love after he just spent the police, caused people life to.

you have said that up there deteriorate at his expense man that's crazy man that should just be you following that shit if you you even up on it crazy yeah the internet be crazy yeah because it's like I don't know dude you feel like it's cool for him to spin the story like that and put it off on everybody else and then bail him out two years later in trial and say he was the shooter he ain't telling that he played dubdale

but everybody already blame for this. I mean, it's a poopers in the pudding. I mean, shit. You got to eat the pudding. You got to shoot fits. You got to wear it. You got to be who you are. You got to be who you are.

That's some cold shit. I'll look at it right, but at the same time, I don't really even keep up. It's starting to start no enemies. I know. I know. I know. I'm going to hear. We don't really even care about it, right,

because we're too concerned about getting, you know, our rack back together. even like with the social media, right? And, you know, going to the thing. We're trying to get a little on that in our area. No, no, no, no, no, going back to the thing on snitching, right? I believe if you get up here and you dissing somebody on Instagram that snitching. You know what I'm saying?

Because we all know the police is on social media. We all know gang tass is on social media. And if I'm telling the police and gang tass, I'm going to do something to you. So it got to be fake. Or not at this point, it got to be fake. And you niggas did he in nothing. That snitching. That's telling.

You know what I'm saying. You're just saying, a nigga slid to your spot and knocked up your spot. That's some weird shit. And then you go dismal at the end of it. Like, yeah, fuck, woo-woo. But since we in Asia was trending,

that's cool. Dudes that know better ain't saying that. So we got to use moments like this to say, hey, man, look. That shit. We're trying to bring the community back together and keep everything off the internet. That's 100%.

You got to let it. If it would be better. But some people invest themselves with some of these internet beats that be planned just to get y'all invested in the means. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying these things, these niggas don't understand that even the shit that you see on the internet, they don't want to do it. They don't want to do nothing. They are trying to alert somebody else to do it for, like, nigger. That's why with the niggas say what he going to do to be on the internet, nigger on the dead on.

He's do it. Bitch ass, nigger. I'm sick stuff. What is you going to do? I'll be, you do it then. You just said you're going to do it, nigga. You know already told the police you're going to do it.

What are you talking about, right? You know already told the people you're going to do it, folks. Are you talking about at this point? I feel to boil your skin. Like, nigga, that's why people hate me. Like, nigga, shut up. I had to be an example, though, of social media.

Somebody with a beef on the internet? Yeah, I went to jail and they use social media videos and shit to convict a nigga. So it'd be like to see it. Now it's like, damn, you niggas know they're going to use this shit. It's not even like a secret and shit no more.

You niggas are still guns on it. You, feel me like damn niggas is that was years ago this was damn near 10 years ago you get that shit and you got niggas

who are doing that shit two day right now exactly no I'm saying it's not like even the nigga talking to an informant in the cell yeah

like come on how many times y'all go get away with that there's so much of that going on how that ain't going to be telling

everybody say don't talk about your case especially with the nigga you don't know why are you nigga talking to this that you don't know at all about some serious that shit.

Man, what? Niggas go against them. Yeah, like, yeah, we got to bring the community back together because it's people like, well, you know what me? Like, you can still walk the yard with that. It's like, all right, cool, because, but at the end of the day, bro,

a nigga is some disciplinary action has to be able to. And then that's another thing about the streets, right? You got dudes, man, going to prison, going to PC, and coming out. And all of a sudden, they're a nixie. good.

Hey man, what's going on? He just told the police he couldn't be on the main line. He had to give up some type of information saying his safety and security is at risk. But you got people out here

that notice and people are coming back from PC yards and going directly to the hood. So it's like, if we all this turned up in these songs, how do we have these dudes as and why sensitive needs on the yard, on the streets? because the streets is just a bigger yard

and it's a gang of S and Y's like it's more S&Y as it's they're working with the police that shit crazy like I was telling you earlier it's like I'm doing my thing I'm doing positivity for the community I came out to doing this time and I did an interview and I had my boy in the interview

and my boy P.O. Officer Cook is drilling him about me. Yeah, that's a That was crazy. You're about to let this dude off a row, cut his GPS off, but you're so focused on me talking about you're going to get me for what? I ain't did nothing to nobody. I rehabilitated myself, came out here with a positive message for the community, and all of a sudden you got it out for me because you feel like, because the judge used the law or not in your favor, that it's unjust? How did he get hip to you?

This is a perfect example. Like I said, I was, you know, I do a lot of community events. So I was at one of the community events for the kids and things like that up there playing a full. for the basketball. Afterwards, it was cameraman up there. Yeah. You know, so I told him a little bit about my story coming to jail. He was interested in it.

He did a follow-up question. My boy just having to be standing on the side of me on an interview. And it's P.O. Like I told you, they're always on the internet. Seen it on the internet. That's all I was saying. That's all I'm saying. Said he had it out for me.

Check this. My people worked for the city. It was one time I got into it with some niggas on the internet. and they say if anybody around the area drop right now that they're coming to get Brick baby first that's crazy you get what I'm saying I'm talking about I'm getting it I get a text at 8 30 in the morning I mean they had the meeting at 7 in the mom you get what I said like come on guys most definitely

oh no no no no I know I'm just I backed out for a reason message to the young niggas out there. Niggas don't be reading their search awards. You got to watch. People go in jail with. Four five times.

Belling out. Just weird shit. 10. 11. 11 times. No. But it'd be some niggas you don't even know

that just be secretly scared. You feel me? I want to get you out the way so you got to be careful the shit you're doing, man. And that is true. I remember. And I suggest a nigga gets some money. You feel me?

Enjoy life because you only get one. So don't be out here crashing that motherfucker out like a nigga got a couple. This is not that video game you playing. Yeah, you see real. Niggas got robbery cases, bro, and just be out with extra gun cases and all

that, like, bro, I just, they knew I didn't play no part in the right. I fought my case for four years. It still took seven years. You get what I'm saying? Listen, they was talk about some 15, 14, 13th, the whole time. I got 15. Look, possession of a firearm. This was my first time.

This nigga stole some jackets and got to a fight with a nigga, because one of the dead homies, and I ain't know gonna do it. This was crazy. Absurds seven years. He stole some jackets? We got a petty thief on a rear? Yeah. Nickin this is bullshit.

I'm saying, no, no, no, no, bash me. That's a bull. What's you're talking about? It wasn't me, though. It wasn't the meat. I got my bum-ass homie. I get into it, too, with a nigga. I look up.

He's dashing out with, nigga, ain't bait jackets in his in. They got me locked up for what? Nigga, they said, I stole some jackets. Yeah, they're talking about I'm stealing boxes. But now it's so cold, though. right because it was my first time ever being arrested. Every catching the case and gave me 50 years of life. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

How do everybody else get the good end? Every time I'm fucked up. You know what I'm saying? They're trying to bang you up. And then you can check my, I don't got no interrogation. All my shit is zero minutes. I got 15 years. The first time I ever went to interrogation.

That's the car. That's the cause. They gave my boy. Was the last time I went to jail. They gave my boy lick. They gave me... They gave my boy lick. 30 years of life for getting caught with a gun.

Yeah. 30 years of life. That's it. They were mad at him because he had to take a deal on two attempted murders. And he got out doing his music and, you know, his music started taking off and they wasn't liking his music because of his influence they had. Yeah. And the first chance they got because he played guilty to two strikes.

Yeah. First time they got, they banged him out. And now, you could get a strike. strike for a firearm? Man, that's what I'm saying. I got two strikes. Possession of a fire, 15 years. Possession of a far of nonviolent crime. Wow.

Because I'm a gang member, that's how. That's what they say. That's their reasoning. And Sack? They could do that? That's what they do. I thought California was California. They got different tricks for different cities. They just don't pull them tricks out. It's like, damn. Yeah.

That's another thing. That's another thing, right. level four for a non-violent possession of a firearm. Every county say that. Sacramento, man, they be banging your loud. That's the capital. That's why. They're trying to set an example. And don't have no. Lock him up.

Oh, yeah. That's going to get you there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure after we do this interview, we're going to be a rast. They're doing good for the community. We are. We are listening. See, that's the same thing about it, right? Because even if you look at Malcolm X, Hughie, Pete Newton, you know, brothers that came out,

to do better. They always vilified and crucified even worse. It's like if I'm trying to even I watched even a Nifty Huzzle video. He's like man we got the closing store going man. I didn't hit our clothing store through all the closing down. It's like they don't want to see us do nothing. They don't want to see us prosper. Yeah, they're

to unity. It's like if we ever to come together. Go get you a job at McDonald's nigga and stay in the mentality of accepting welfare excepting help and just being content with your part of life. Exactly. They don't want you to Like that to that third part to where you're like, you know what, I have to elevate and I have to be in control of my own life.

Exactly. I got to do these things and teach the people around me how to be better. Exactly. And how to look at life seriously, though. It's a lot of people in neutral. It's like a percentage. I tell some of the little homies, I've been like, look, you got to understand around you. You got niggas that's in just neutral.

Yeah. Yeah. Every day they're just waking up. It's just living. Just living. I told us about any you might be a nigger that's woke. Yeah, and now you're in reverse because you were in neutral

Wake up? Yeah. You got to wake up and get in charge, nigga. I told somebody after that up the other day, I'm like, look, man, just because you ain't in prison or you ain't never been a prison,

don't think that you can't be in prison and still be on the outside world. Listen, I've been getting into my cameraman over the editing and all that. Nick, I've been doing all the editing myself, doing everything myself. I'm going to learn one way. I ain't far from stupid,

so it's like, all I'm doing is looking up. I'm like, and I'm sending it to the niggas I'm getting into. I did that in 20 minutes. Watch how cold I get, though. Because I'm a cold, can't nobody stop me.

Why's how cold I get? Like, this ain't even nothing. And I used to tell the brothers that behind the wall, even when I made my first documentary, you know, everybody was surprised like, damn, how do you make a documentary from prison? You know what I'm saying? Then I made the second one of beautiful elevation.

You know, that one was more I just graduated college, just wrote the book, just did a few podcasts interviews in a pen. But it's like, even though I'm right here and I got to watch the world through a cell, I'm still evolving and elevating and I'm still being successful behind prison because even though they got me in prison

during this time of becoming to learn myself that I use this as a transformational tool you know what I'm saying? Because I remember OG told me I was working in a sweatshop as a sawm machine operator he's like man every day even though you got life every day you got to prepare for like you getting out tomorrow.

Like I was telling my boy I'm like me I'm going to get on a number when I get out man who'll speak for all the brothers that's in the prison system You know, because they need to hear my boy, Big T.C. from school yard. You know, I worked in the kitchen with him. That's my boy, my Ikey. You know, my brother E. Rock, I believe

the name is from 60s. He's older, God. He's told something. Is he from 60? Oh, yeah. But just different brothers and stuff, you know, I was just showing him like, look, man, just because you win here, just because you got life, it don't mean it's over because you never know

when something might change. And it just happened. They passed this new law, and I was a preparing for like I was getting out tomorrow and I ended up graduating college. For sure. Getting my apprenticeship in prison, you know, certified as an apprenticeship on the outside trees. Yeah, for sure. As a sewing machine operator, customer service, electrician specialist.

But you can't never let your situation or your circumstances define you and stop you. You know, you got to keep working, keep building no matter what's against you. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because at time where you feel like giving up or you think it's the, the hardest moment or something like that, that's going to be the time whereas if you would have just kept pushing a little bit more, you was going to elevate.

You know what I'm saying? The tires was going to turn. Yeah, for sure. You know, kids that's dealing with bullying or, you know, kids are dealing with cyberbullying or anything of that nation, you know, as long as you push through them moments and you just keep pushing in that moment where you feel like you're giving up and you just keep pushing, life going to be all right. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, man. I want to wait for brother to come back. But where I was going with it, is there any, what about? the music shit that you got going on. Where do you stand with Lavish D? Oh, CML, that's my big brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, I just holl out him another day.

He was all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's big, bro. He's from the same hood, same clique, just talked to him the other day. He came, I came home, he blessed me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Always gives me some good game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that's big, bro, I ain't got nothing negative to say about him. Yeah, yeah. Even when I was in a penny, I looked out, helped me buy my first phone. No, for sure. Yeah, nah, he don't give him all.

no type of fake. I don't know. You understand? We had never met. I think that him and Sharpe, we all gonna do something soon or whatever the case. I think, I don't know. I think that's what was brewing up.

But, yeah, as far as Laf and what he got going on, did that influence you with the rap? Or what type of, like, rapping to you? Laugh, the first person that took me to the studio. Yeah. All right. So, I'm looking up to them growing up, you know, he came out.

So you've been rapping? Or you was just... Yeah, y'all was rapping for him with the Shill. You know, he came out with the 24th spinning mixtape. So when he had the old mixtape, I'm watching them in the studio, and that kind of inspired me to rap, you know what I'm saying? So he had an influence on me rapping. Yeah, that's crazy.

I didn't even think it was going to be a direct hit like that. I was just saying, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. That's like asking anybody from 60s if Nipsey's success got them on their independent, right? knowing that they can make it and manifest in their position in this music. Even if you watch my documentaries, man, the first thing you see on the first two was Banks Up Empire, you know, that's Lever's the record label.

Oh, yeah. See, I ain't even hit, but I thought this record label was CML too. No, no, no, it was banked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Nah, like I said, I'd be like tapped in, like, of course, I tapped in because we dropped, I dropped the song called Have You Ever and all the sack. All the CML was like, but I ain't never really heard it. But I'm like, damn, now I'm listening to it. I'm like, oh, he went crazy.

I'm like, oh, I see what they're saying. But I was doing the have you ever as like, have you ever back of the day? You know what I'm saying? I felt like he was referencing that too, Snooping all them with the A hell you ever. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I got hip to him. Then I started playing this. I'm like, oh, yeah.

Brush his slay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay, he got a little Army to be over. I was going to be in like, that was just like laugh. I'm like, like laugh. Then I'm like, the hummys played it for me.

I'm like, oh shit, that motherfucker's a motherfucker. Yeah. So, yeah, and J-bo and all of them. So I'm like, now I'm really tapping into the Bay. To the northern,

to the North California culture. Yeah, because like I was tapped in with Mac Dre. I know every Mac Dre song and all that. Yeah, you give it what? I said. All the any Mac Drey song,

you know I know. You know what I'm saying? He got me through everything. Yeah. Come on. at the time. You're talking that shit. Giving up game.

Yeah. Come up, man. I know all it's Islamic, man. That's what I speak. Yeah, I grew up on that. Yeah. So, like, as far as, like, all of that, does that influence your lyrics?

Like, where do you find yourself, how you rap? Me, how I rap really, because I'm really not a rapper. But if I hear a beat and some kind of my mind, I write to it with me, I'm really just, you know, telling facts, telling a story. Just keeping it real. So I don't rap about nothing that I've never. did or something I've never had or

nothing like that because then that's going against what I believe. I'm really just on there telling a story. That's why, you know, I may not be the greatest rapper but when a person here I'm like, oh, this is authentic. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. But where do you, like, your beat selection line? Like,

where... Well, I usually mess with my little part in the Ant Rilla. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So whenever I need to beat, any time you listen to one of my songs is Ant Rilla. Yeah. It's like a West Coast beat, grimy, big tempo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made a couple beats for her, EBKJ ball. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, so you in that lane, like, right there. Yeah, that's keeping it to Bay, though. That's what I was saying, like, you're in, like, the New Bay era or you, like, you have to say? Well, no, I keep telling you, we're not part of the Bay. We're Sacramento. But Northern California area, my bad, yeah. Because I'll be doing that shit on purpose, but you know, we from way down here, so it's

that just, that shit, like programmed in the nigga. I know you run into that a lot with L.A. Yeah, especially in the Penn. You know, oh, you're for the Bay, man, I'm not from the Bay. Oh, you from San Diego then. But, you know, Jaybo make some good music. I'll be fucking with it. I'll be listening to it.

I'll be slapping it. I'm saying. I got my little homie's old. He just had a hit song, a little 13. Can't do nothing with us. I got my other little partner, T.O.G. Duda. New upcoming Sacramento Arvice got the wave. He got a song called View Love.

I'm coming out with an EP myself, six songs called Millet Timobin. I got my boy T-OG Do it on it, yeah Where we go hear that? I'll probably drop it next month I've been working on part four To my documentary series Finally free

I'm trying to get that up and running And get that complete Hopefully I get a streaming deal With like Netflix, Hulu or Tooby or something And I'm working on a couple of short films Yeah And like I say Me and my boy got the podcast going on

Then I went out to the prison law office In Berkeley, you know Advocating for prison reform for you low Like I said, people with life without parole, lifers, juveniles that had to be given a fitness hearing because I wanted to wear a ass that juvenile shouldn't even have the chance to have a fitness hearing

that he automatically gets tried as a juvenile rehabilitate it. So I'm working on that. And after that, you know, just community work feeding the homeless. You know, trying to give a good message to the future generations. And, you know, like I say, teach him money management

and just bring the community back together as a whole and, you know, heal it. Because after going through a traumatizing situation like mine and seeing people murdered on the yard, stabbed at death, people hanging themselves and committing suicide. And, you know, you sit in there late at night. It's 2 o'clock in the morning. You hear somebody just screaming.

And it's like, if I had to go through all that, why I should, you know, my little brother had to go through that or why should your little brother or son had to go through that? So now, like I sound like my life has a light in a vessel to change the community. Yeah, motherfahlerfell is don't listen with it. Because I didn't listen, but, you know, thank God that I ain't been in no situation like yours, but thank God that you baited out your situation. You know what I'm saying?

But motherfuckers and see examples, example, example. And still like, it's like, look, utilize the area so you can get out that motherfucker and give it back. Exactly. You get what I'm saying? They can take on the- Exactly. And don't be, don't be afraid to do something different. You have to.

Because if you don't step away, it's only one thing. Either you go have a long run and get caught later, or you go have a short run or you go have a short run. you're going to keep on taking loss after loss off petty low. I went to jail with 10 pounds and they took this and they took 20 pounds when they came right. Even if you keep it in weed when they take it, they take it. It's a loss. Man, come on now. You lose your time.

Like, nigga, you know what I mean? Like everything else comes with time in that jail and they ain't going to keep on playing with you. You get what I'm saying? Every time you go back, oh, you think it's a pat on the wrist. Oh, you was loking with the homies and you was cooking and all that. Yeah, it was 16 months. And, you're back and you're big and you beating shit up. now you feel like you super crib or super blood and you want to go

nigga run a skit just to make sure you still got it the niggas around you ain't on that time yeah they didn't win with you I think the most important thing for me is right is for one day after doing all this a kid or something coming to me after you're grown and say hey man you're the reason why I changed my life and I ain't walked that path you know what I'm saying and building a you know a positive legacy and just giving back you know what I'm saying because even to be right here right now a blessing, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm

supposed to be in prison right now, you know, says, man, but God said different. Yeah. So now, like I say, when you get a chance like that, man, you got to do everything you can to change the community as a whole. You know what I'm saying? And to keep better and it and it keep expanding and it keep networking and reaching out to different places. And, you know,

like you got Jay-Z and Meek Mills doing a prison reform thing and things like that. But I respect what they're doing, but, you know, it's more serious issues people should be pushing because a lot of dudes that's holding up the prison system and got prison so in packages, people with long times. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? The study shows that people were a long time other doing 15, 20 years, they have a 0.03% or something are coming back. So it's like, why not give them a second chance and not on I'm out? This is my opportunity to say,

hey, man, let the brothers go. For sure, they're going to be more grateful. I was saying, like, if they want to see people that's not going back to jail after they get released, give a nigga that just did 30 years in the cell second shot. He's going to come home and be an angel. Exactly. The closest way I can explain getting a life

and this is like dying. And then getting the second chance that's like being born again. So you're going to see life in a whole different way. You're going to be in a whole different time zone. It's like I ain't slept since I've been out. And it's not that I ain't been trying to sleep.

It's just like you don't take life for granted because every moment, every day, every second is valuable and precious. So you got to use that accordingly. Exactly, bro. I know exactly that same push because once you get out, you try to utilize everything. Like, nigga, I couldn't do this.

Exactly. Now I'm doing it. I'll take it it for granted, I'm about to run past you, I got to create generational wealth. I got to build generational wealth. For sure. You know what I'm saying?

So that after I do all this work, that my future generations and my bloodline don't got to go through this because I didn't pass them something on it. You know, my people wasn't fortunate to pass me. Because, you know, situation and circumstances, so I got that opportunity while not. Yeah, yeah.

My badass kids, man. Yeah, yeah, man. To my kids, man. We just for the get to the end of it. But, bro, so what's your story before we get out of here? We're going to be brief. I can give it to you quick. Similar situation.

You know, I grew up in South Sack, you feel me, G. Parkway, that's the hood. I grew up in the Meadowview area, you feel me? Growing up, it was the same. You feel me, it was hard. You had to be hard. I ended up catching my case a little. later end up going to prison for a gang shooting. Trial as an adult, same situation. Oh, was you?

I was 16 when the case occurred. They caught me when I was 17. Trial me as a adult. But it was a crazy-ass case they had never seen because it was two rival gangs, but nobody was pressing charges. So it was like the DA picked this up and did what they want. So when we're going in the court, we all go together. It was some crazy shit It was crazy But like he said

You young We don't know shit They don't They're not telling us shit It was just like It was That experience Being so young

Going through it It seemed like it was a blur Because you don't really know What's going on Yeah You're trying to figure it out What is happening so fast That's fast

You're only in court For like two minutes Yeah every time And it's hell of shit And people talking in shit And they just like You agree You understand Mr. Williams

You're like Love you like Yep You feel me Next thing You know And they asked You're like

They pushed it off You feel me You don't know What is going on So That shit was just like A blur But I got out

You feel me Me heavily in the streets You feel me rapping Doing all the things You feel me

End up Catching a firearm case They made The same Out of me You feel me

They used my lyrics Play my music They did all of that You feel me Made example out of me. Gave me 15 years for the possession of a firearm. You feel

me? So fast forward. I was released last year. They had me on GPS. So, you know, I've been out of the scene trying to, you know, keep my team myself in. I did you do. I did seven. I got back off a law pass. It allowed me to be resentenced. It was the 1393, I think. But it was for your five year prior. The cold thing is they denied me just like how he said. It was crazy. for it because everywhere I went people couldn't believe it. You got 15 years for a gun like yeah

I'm that I'm not example yeah so they'd be like hell no like what the fuck I didn't sat in front of captains of prisons like like I met your boy Edor me and him you know he

he got time time yeah he got super time so we're on the same yard in the same program And the captains is like, how do you, how do you have this case like this? Yeah. You're on a level four prison with a nonviolent case, though, but they gave you 15 years for that shit. That's crazy. You know, they confused.

Yeah. You just play. You know, because when you tell me, I'm like, what are you talking about? That's the journey in the path that I was set to take. So, you know, I don't complain about it. I don't cry about it. I took my time and it is what it is. You went to trial for the guns?

Yeah, I went to trial. I went to trial because... What they offered you at first? It was no deal. What? I went, beat a case. They gave my case to the same district attorney. Oh, wow.

Right? Some crazy shit. So now I go up. The judge says, I see that it was him with a firearm, but I don't see this gang, like, all of this stuff you're putting with it. So she dropped my case. They didn't change my bill or nothing. This is how I'm trying to bail out the whole. time. But she just, the judge said that this wasn't strong enough. Not me. The judge said this isn't

strong enough. I'm going to hold him for the guns. She dropped my case. Refowls. Right? So she refowls. With your lyrics. No, she gets a whole different judge. Oh, wow. You know me? Bring some shit up that ain't got nothing to do with me. So they bailed me over the trial. Oh, wow. Yeah, well, it seems like it's a lot of gang stuff going on. And that's wow. So now I'm in trial with these charges, right? So look, this is the truth. I admit, the guns are mine. They're mine. They're my guns.

Yeah. Okay. But now you can't say what I was doing or any of that. You can't, you know, that's something you have to prove. But now, you got, I went to trial, fought against 30 detectives. They testified on me. It was me versus 30 detectives. There was no witnesses.

Nobody seen anything. It was me versus them. Yeah. They testified. They brought up everything in my life that didn't have to do with this case. You feel me? So the jury is confused. Now, mind you, I said I admitted to these guns.

They took two days to find me guilty. For what? It's a doubt in your mind about something. Because you would have said I was guilty for any beginning. Why are you taking two days and think about a nigga who said the guns is mine? Yeah, they just said this P&B killer in four hours. You know what I mean? Like, was he really on some gang shit?

Because y'all said he got to have a gun anyway. No matter where he had, what do he needs a gun. for his life. Yeah. This is what you all say. Yeah. But, you know, the laws and the way they do things is tricky. So the judge gave me the max.

Yeah. Sad did my time. I looked within self, though. I found, because I'm always a person who don't blame others. I look at the life. Why? What about this? It might be a lesson.

You know what I'm saying? No, it's just a lesson. It's never an accident. Nothing happens in life by accident. So I don't feel like nothing is an accident. I sat back and I'm like, why me? And it's like, why not me? You feel me?

You a nigga that's strong enough. You can get through this. You feel me? Figure out the reasoning. Who but me to put to the challenge? You know what I'm saying? I did deep into myself. I start looking into myself, reading hell of much.

You feel me? And I start writing my own books. I already had a vision of what I see life to be. So I started writing books. I got over nine books. You feel me? complete, ready to go. But I'm, you know, slowly releasing because now that I'm off a GPS and I feel like I can move and do the things I need to do now, I'm going to do those things, you know what I'm

saying? But that time was spent on myself. You feel me? I had to spend that seven years on myself. So when I went back to court, they seen everything I'd done. I did a lot. I did a lot of work on myself, even though I was still stuck on the same, you know, prison. But they still seen how the nigger was trying, though, you know? And they didn't take the five years off, but they resentenced me because that's how the law, the new laws

are set. Yeah, for sure. And they're like, you know, so they like, look, we're going to adjust the time. Yeah. We're going to give you the mid, the low, and it end up like, okay, you got another year left. Yeah. I got out and, you know, that's that's what we had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're. You know,

we produce, and we got some artists. We doing our thing. We come in. I told him about the little brothers. They're going to check it out. They're going to see them. Free wrong. Yeah, for sure. Where can they find y'all on social media, man?

You can find me at Big underscore Statey underscore. On Instagram? On Instagram. Yeah, where else you got you on TikTok? It's the same thing everywhere. No, I'm on Instagram. You got to get that TikTok. Storytime on TikTok.

Go get you right. Yeah, man. All right. Yeah, yeah. And with you? I got that. Williams familiar that's our TikTok that's me, my kids, my wife, you feel

me, the family, you feel in our thing for you know, black excellence, you feel yeah, yeah, yeah. We got me on Instagram with King amongst men. Yeah. You go follow that. I got merch, the books, everything on there. You're looking for, music, whatever. Man, you got

some of my... Yeah, no, I just give a few shout-outs, man. Go ahead, yeah, yeah. My big brother Quill, a little brother Steve, Logue, my brother, Bird Alert, no jumper. Killer Wood, no jumper. Like I say, my boy, a big T.C. school yard. Yeah. Just all my other brothers that's locked down on the struggle right now, man.

Just know, man, I'm here for y'all. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, man. Shout out to gangland, man. Free everybody. Free to real. Free to words that's really going to do something with it, man. You know what I mean?

You better, man. And you niggas in there that's watching. You feel, me, apply yourself. Yeah. Nah, you got to do the right thing. You got to do the right thing. As an office, man. You're in a billion dollar business right now.

You're an employee in a billion dollar business. Y'all find a way to make fire out of nothing, man. Y'all can get up out of there. On the real. You got to just put your mind to it. You get what I'm saying? Man, and there's been another one. Nothing like the other one, man.

It's the brick, man. We got Big State. We got my boy. Don Don, Donald's main thing. Don't tap it. You already know what it is, man. G. Parkway find us, man. And we're out of here.

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