No Jumper - Bigg K on The Virginia Rap Scene, Catching A G*n Charge, Rap Battle Culture & More

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

Bigg K talks about on growing up in California, getting in the streets at a young age, battle rap debate and more. ----- Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Up in the spot once again, you know, I'm Mac and your girl. Lush, oh, no, we're on the coolest podcast in the world. No jumper. And it's a, it's been a goal of mine since the beginning of my tenure here to empower the voices that I believe need to be heard by the masses that a lot of people may be aware of, and then a lot of people might be asleep to. And today I'm joined by one of the most decorated battle rappers in history at this point. who's been arguably the most dangerous the past couple years,

including winning that coveted C-O-T-Y award. Breaking a racial barriers. Day by day. Day by day, man. Knocking them down, sir. Appreciate you, my brother. Knocking down doors, Big K. Always good to see you, my brother.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love you, too. Good friend of mine, with that being said, no joke on the microphone. Now, you were from the 757. Absolutely. Born and raised. What is a proper pronunciation of, it's spelled Norfolk, but it's Narfuk, Narfolk, Norfolk. We say Norfolk.

Norfolk. Some people say Norfolk, but it's never Norfolk. Right, right, right, right, right. The K is not, like, emphasize. Yeah. It's Norfolk. I mean, the K is there, but it's like, I don't know. It's a weird pronunciation.

It's like that all around America. It's these towns that are pronounced differently by the locals, you know? Right. And that's one of, I mean, like, in Pennsylvania, they got a Worcester as Worcester. Yeah, that's in Massachusetts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In Mass, exactly. So how would you say, how would you describe Norfolk?

It's a double-edged sword. Like, you talk to one person, they might say it's a great place to grow up. You talk to somebody else, they might tell you that shit is out of control. That shit is hell. Like, it's been times when it was statistically more dangerous to live there than a lot of the most dangerous states. of the amount of crime compared to the amount of people. The per capita. Right.

It's a lot of shit going down there, you know, and I don't know. I have my good days. I have my bad days. And it's a predominantly black city, or is it mixed? I think it's 40% black. Which is? And then like something percent like other and then the other. I can't remember what it was.

I don't know the statistics off my hand. Somebody could Google it, but it's a mixed area. Yeah. Because it got the biggest naval base in the world there. So it became like a culture of melting pot. You'll have people of all different ethnicities who join the military or come from this place or that place and have babies.

So like it's not uncommon for like a hood, black area to have like a couple white families or a white family here, a Mexican family, a Filipino family. I was about to say Filipino. I know that this type of shit. Anytime. Yeah, Filipino is big out there.

Yeah, yeah. Anytime that there's a port town, there's going to be a significant Filipino population. A lot of Filipinos with the Navy. You know what I mean? So, but, um, and you grew up in a predominantly black side of town, or was it mixed?

Mixed. Like all my schools I went to was probably like 50-50, all of them. Or maybe 60, 40, you know what I mean? 40 being the white, you know what I mean? But it's not like, it wasn't, I was like the only white kid in the whole school, not nothing like that. Right, right, right, right.

But let's say it was like, in my group of friends, I was like the only white kid. I could say that. Right. Yeah. And would you say that, was a did you get in like what was your family life like do you close with your parents and all that like like well i mean close with my mother and um i don't really know my biological father like that

i know who he is but we don't got a relationship it's not because of me or something like that just you know how life go right and um but close with moms yeah close with moms you know what i mean i had stepfather that's been there since five or six you know, that's what I call my pops. Shouts of him and shouts to all the stepfathers that step up. That, nothing more gangster than that. I mean, that's an underappreciated thing.

Absolutely. And you know, when you're young and the knucklehead and shit, you're like, man, fuck you ain't my, you know, you out here running wild. That's just what you do as as nasty. You ain't my daddy. Right. You get older, you start going to jail, you start doing dumb you start realizing like, damn, you know, I was looking for like a blood. But you just young and hurt, you don't know what's going on at that age.

You know what I'm saying? But as you get older, you realize how how gangster it is for, you know, somebody to stay there for, you know, never do wrong by somebody you care about. That's all you can ask for. And really, parents can't do no right regardless. We go on, like, you know, once we hit that teenage years, whatever, we're going to be rebellious, life's

going to happen. So, you know, did you get in, were you like a good student? No, I was out of control. So you was getting in trouble at a young ass age. Okay, like, what did that, what was like the early days of Big K running a muck looking like? He didn't suspended from my elementary school,

like from the beginning you know what I mean? Why I live at, it's like you go to public school and then if you get in trouble you'll get like expelled and then if you get expelled you go to these things

called alternative schools where it's like the worst of the worst kids from all around the city go to these you can't get suspended from here you cuss all this type if you start acting up in here

they just like take your shoes off beat you up throw you in some shit called the quiet room like when you young you don't know how f*** up this shit is it's like juvie yeah for sure

Exactly. You're going to Juvie when everybody else is going to school. You're going to like, we call them detention homes. Y'all call them like Juvial. Yeah, yeah. People call them youthful centers or something. Yeah, yeah. That's why I ended up in the sixth grade in those type of joints.

So, Oprah, you feel me, like getting in trouble, you feel me, running a muck? When did you realize that you could rap? I was 11. So around that same time essentially, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the earliest memory you have of rapping or? when you realize. In my neighborhood, I was always hanging around the people that was a little bit older than me. So if I was 11, these guys

was like 15, 16, maybe the oldest one, like 18. You know how, you know, the knucklehead shit. Like, and I remember I got in trouble at school. This one I got expelled, I hit somebody with a chair. I was super young and shit. I think what grade was this? I don't know, I was going to Blair Middle School

in Norfolk, though. So you were like six, seven grades. Somewhere around that shit. So, what the hell we was talking about? You got suspended. Oh yeah, when I learned I could rap, boom. So, yeah, I get suspended from the shit. And then I end up getting put on probation.

So part of my probation would be... Why you need the kid with the chair? Do you remember even? No, we were just a young school fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got put on probation for the shit. So for the whole year, I had to be on house arrest as a kid. Super young.

You know what I'm saying? And I remember, like, rapping with the older heads before, I got put on house arrest. Okay. And then after a year when I was rapping with them, They was like, oh no, you bit that. I was like, no, I wrote this shit because the whole year I was just fucking around. This is around the era of like message boards coming to life.

Yeah, yeah. And the internet coming to life and shit. So for that whole year, I was just fucking around on the little text boards and all that type shit. And it really got me better. And I remember rapping once I came off housewrest and they was like, oh, no, you bit that. And I'm like, no, I got another one. Like, no, you really got, you got, might got something here. So it was always a pastime from then from 11 years old.

So at first they thought it was that you were like, taking other bars that wasn't yours and shit. Yeah, because the change was so drastic over a year. Like, they remember me just freestyle and f***ing around. Then a year later, it's like you kind of got your shit formatted. And we've discussed this, and I always said because I was like, oh,

you know, he's from Virginia. My first thought is the clips. Push the T might have been a big influence. You corrected me instantly. You were like, no, I'm a big Jada kiss. Yeah, like so. I mean, that's no slight to push the T of Clips or nothing like that. But, like, in my era, when I came up, it was all about Rockefeller D Block.

Like, that's where I was the most influenced by, I could probably say, like, that era, the Rockefeller D Block era. And my favorite rapper all time is a big pun. AZ was a big influence to me, you know. Genie Segal, of course, like, these type of people, Kooji rap. Just, you know.

The cannabis era when we was young when he was in, you know, the DJ Clue tapes, you know, all of the years, the funk flets tape. Just the mixtape era, all of that shit. That's what I came up on. When you couldn't, it was, was hard to even get an instrumental. You had to get the J. Arms beat with the plane flying over.

You know what I'm saying? That type of shit. If you've never wrapped over a J. Arms. Yeah, you can't talk to me. Beat tape, yeah. Like, we're not friends. Yeah. Unless you're like 19 years old.

But if you're from our area, you was definitely wrapping over them J. arms. And at what point during that trajectory, where you like, all right, I'm actually going to take it seriously? Or is that not until years later? Did it take you like... No, when I really started taking it seriously, it was around like 15 or 16. I had a...

There's a dude from our area, his name Levi Little. He was with the group Black Street back in the day. No jiggity? Yeah, he was one of the original members of Black Street. Yeah. But he stayed in my area in the seven cities where I live at. And I met him. He had a studio.

I started messing around with him in the studio and shit. And he was like, no, you actually might got something. You might want to, you know. But then by the time I do that, I get locked up when I'm 17. So just as I'm really about to take it serious, that's when I, you know, go away for three years. Okay, and we'll get into that in a moment. Now, what was crazy about VA is y'all have a very illustrious music history. I mean, you got...

Music, entertainment, athletes, like, it's really overlooked when people talk about like mechas of talent or contributions. Absolutely. It's a hip-hop and people be like, oh, because, you know, if you want to consider it the south, you kind of, it's like, I refer to as the bottom of the north and the top of the south. And that's what I was about to say. Like, it's a very difficult region to define. Yeah.

Because it's heavily East Coast influences on the East Coast. But it's like right near that Mason-Dixon line, whereas it's this kind of ambiguity of is it the South? Is it the Mid-Atlantic? I always, you know, we've called the DMB. It's always been this connection between like Virginia and New York. because since like the 90s, there's been these things called the Chinese buses that will leave from, like, Chinatown and New York and come to our area for like $20, $25. So if you're somebody that's on the run from up there, you come into Virginia.

That's why if you listen to all like New York hip hop from the 90s, it's VA references. It's all right there. You know what I'm saying? It's like all right there. It's only also because we in Cali. So from Virginia to New York, that's a six-hour drive. You could like drive for six hours instead of being in California. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So like the geography is a little different. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot more states. Yeah, right. There's three states on the west coast. And then with the DMV thing, it's like, right, the DMV area refers to like, like, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, right? Right.

But that's like the top of Virginia. We in the bottom of Virginia, like the 757. So that's why they never consider us, the DMV. We never considered ourselves the DMV. Okay. Because that refers to like that area up there. So people think it's the whole Virginia, but it's not. And that's what makes Virginia so unique.

You go to 757, somebody I have a whole deal. different stees or style about him or a way of talking or whatever, you know, in this in Norfolk, you go to Virginia Beach, he might be a little different. You go to Chesapeake, he might be a little different. You go to Suffol, he's going to be totally different. You go to Newport News, they're totally different. Right. But all these areas is like 15 minutes away from each other, but then to get to Richmond or like these other areas, it's, to get to Richmond is like an hour and a half. But you get to D.C., that's like three hours. Right. So that's why, like, the dialect, everything is so drastically different from these areas. So it's hard.

to, you know, generalize the whole thing. And that's the same thing people think about the West Coast. And then people be like, they'll look at, if you haven't spent time out here, they don't realize the huge cultural difference between Los Angeles and San Diego and Los Angeles and the Bay Area. These are like, people just think, oh, it's Cali. You know what I mean? And it's all, but there couldn't be more, I'll say there's more similarities between Frisco and New York in a lot of ways than Friscoe and L.A. Yeah.

It's completely different. So, like, that's always stuck out to me. But what's crazy, back to the history of, you know, you got Missy Elliott, you got Timberland, the Neptunes, Teddy Riley. And the fact that you got bink. You got the, you know, you get the blueprint. You don't get the blueprint if you don't get bink. Period. We got knots.

We got Knots raw, straight from North. Some of the hardest beats ever. Ever. Right now. Ever. You know, like, it's always been legends come from our era. man like real impactful stuff yeah and but what's interesting is that uh i feel like a lot of them come from like virginia beach and like you said that knots is from your city but you're one of like

the first not from norfolk bank from norfolk like if you go if you know family you know family is come on come rock rock rock rock that's my favorite rapper from the city i was you know what i mean that's the big dollar everybody fucking family man like i'm you know let me bring i remember when i did that team backpacked, he would post it. We didn't even know each other like that. Then he just was like, boom, throwing this up.

You know what I mean? Shouts of Fam Leigh, and that's a, I'm so glad to hear that. But that was a big, defining moment for our area was that rock and roll video, the family video.

Amazing song. When they shot that 100th area in the city and you just like, even the clips video, like when you see grinding, you don't see Virginia Beach police cars. You see Norfolk police cars.

Right. They didn't shot that video out north from. Okay, I never even realized that. I thought they was Virginia Beach dudes, well, okay, that makes sense. There is Virginia Beach, but I'm just saying like, Norfolk always been that,

like, you know? Right, right, right. On time and like that. Yeah, of course but that, yeah, I'm going to bring it back to the early 80s. Yeah, my cousin Stacy had a Pearl Mercedes. Yeah, that was, come on. Legendary. So, at what point did,

was battling a part of it from the beginning? Is that just like kind of... I mean, bro, you know, the era we come up in, you couldn't rap and not battle. That shit don't exist. Like, battling come with it. Like, you know, if you was rapping in the 90s or, you know, it's no 90s, early 2000s, it's none of that.

Like, you can't just like, oh, yeah, I'm nice. I mean, like, what? You can't fuck with my man. You know, this is how it go. And then y'all rap, till y'all run out of raps. And then y'all probably end up being friends or you're like, dude, it's terrible, you know? But that just came with the territory, the battling shit, you know. And it's such a cliche question, but I'm just genuinely curious.

was it more difficult for you or do you feel like you kind of due to the shock value of them not having seen it as much in it being more of a novelty? Do you feel like being white made it more difficult or was like an advantage in your early like come up as a rapper? Like what part of my come up? Like as a battle rapper? I'm saying I'm saying at the early stages of you even establishing yourself as a mother that rap around you? around your homies and shit like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, no, that never really matter because, like I said,

I was always one of the only white dudes in the group, if not the only one. So it was like, it's never like, oh, we're not going to look at it. I'm rapping around who I'm hanging around. So it's not like I'm rapping around somebody I'm trying to get approval from who's like, who is this white boy. Right, right, right, right, right. And then ever since I was young, once you hear it, it's like.

He calls. Yeah. He calls. is does that area have like racial tension? Not that I ever seen, bro. It's more unified. To be honest with you, like, this is a hot tape, bro, and it's going to be a hot debate.

But I feel like California is the most racially segregated state that I've been to in the United States, bro. And I'm going to be real. Like, this is so crazy to me that I could live in a neighborhood and next door or two doors down, it's a black family and my mom and his mom

is best friends we grow up since Pampas and later on in life we get locked up and you're telling me I can't shake this man or give him a soup

or something this is crazy to me to hear that this this is still happening in California where a place that's so proud on being progressive

is like always preaching these like gang politics and these like division not not game but like jail politics it's like

yo that's crazy when I found out there like yo if you go to jail out here you got to pick a side and it's like what Yeah. That's wild.

Like, that don't exist where I'm at. You know, I can honestly say that. Like, why I was locked up at, if a white dude come in and take his shirt off and he got some everybody on him. Like, you got some racial tattoos. People are like, what the fuck is this? And they ain't going to, you know what I'm saying? Like, so just to know that it's still in this day and age picking sides is wild.

That shit don't really exist in the South like that. That's why you'll see videos of people in Louisiana or something. A white lady or a white dude talking. They're like, oh, you could tell, oh, she's trying to be black or she, nah. That's just. Yeah, that's how it is there. But out here, it's not really normal to see like a white dude from an area. I get it now.

It's really, you know, even in the Mexican neighborhood, you'll be like the only white dude walking around. So I get it, but it's... No, you know what? It's funny. You said that, I mean, to say that it's the most segregated state is a bit of a hyperbolic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sensational. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's sensational, but I... Jailways, we are. Huh? Jailways, we are. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's what I should have said, jail-wise. Not, yeah, for sure.

No, no, our politics 100% are the most stringent when it comes to that. However, our streets are like that as well, to a large degree. Yeah. And I would say it's gotten a lot better over the years when it's a weird dichotomy living in L.A., or growing up in L.A., especially in the 80s and 90s, of it being, you know, a mix of being one of the most diverse, areas in the entire world yet still simultaneously segregated. To the point where

Los Angeles, not only is it like, okay, when I grew up, the west side is predominantly white, the south central, predominantly black, the east side predominantly Hispanic, and that's a generalization, but for the most part the way we grew up, you know what I mean? Like, the Bali predominantly Hispanics and whites.

And that's kind of just the way the landscape of the city is. That is, but But even beyond then, it's just, oh, this is where all the Asians are, but this is Korea town. Right. That's wild. Like, Japan town. This is China.

Like, it's specific ethnicities. I didn't realize that. I started bouncing around that a lot of cities in America is still like, don't go over them train tracks. Like, you know what I'm saying? I didn't know it's really still like that. Like, this side of town is these people. This side of town belongs to these people. This side of town.

That's wow. It's still going down like that. It's gotten a lot better. that's what it was like when we were growing up. It's still like that to a degree, but gentrification and things like that. It's kind of spread everybody

fuss all over the place. They're trying to make it just if you live out here, you're rich, that's it. That's like the class warfare. The end go. If you're not going to keep putting the squeeze on until if you can't afford it, you got to go. It's definitely more a division of socioeconomics

than it is race. So when you were in your late teens, as you brought up earlier, you wind up getting incarcerated. Like, you know, what was going on that led to that happening for you? Man, just being young and trying to get to it, man. Like, trying to, you know, seeing people struggling around. You're not seeing really hope for the future. And you're like, man, I'm going to take a drastic chance. Try to, you know what I mean, get ahead in life.

And the shit don't work out when you're young. That's all, you know. It's dumb shit. And I know, like, we previously spoke, and you don't, this is something that you don't want to spend much time focusing on because you're not here to glorify. No, that's part of the story. It's just that, you know, in Battle Rap, it's so much, like, criminal and crazy talk. And it's, like, not a lot of people that have been locked up, so they, like, focus on it. And then people try to make it seem like, oh, you're promoting it.

You think it's cool. But it's like, I'm not, I'm just answering the questions and stuff, you know. You just got to give them a template for their own comments. Right, right, right. So they could pretend that they've actually been through it in a believable manner. So in order for the benefit of the up-and-coming battle rappers that want a swaggerjack, no, I'm just playing. But so what exactly like led to those, like what happened and what did you get caught for if you don't mind talking about it?

No, I went down just for a gun charge. Okay. Yeah. And in Virginia, like a gun charge, like gun time is mandatory. Really? Yeah. So they have strict laws like out here. Yeah.

Like, if you get caught a gun, so automatic three years. And then if you're a felon, it's a five-year. And it's like, you know, we are Commonwealth State. Yeah. So it's mad different. Like, the laws and shit, like, for instance, like, you got to do 85% of your time. So if you get 10 years, you're doing 8 and a half. That's like the feds.

You get in a fight, you're doing the 10. So basically you're going to do the 10. You know what I'm saying? Like, that type shit. Is that what Commonwealth means? Yeah. It's like, oh, okay. It's like extra little laws in place.

I don't remember exactly how many Commonwealth states it is, but it's only a few. and these ones are like the worst ones to get in trouble that, you know. Because 85% is literally the same standards as the feds. Right. Like it's some states where you could get like 10 years and be out in like four years type shit. Right. Like there's also no parole there, none of that shit.

No parole. No, hell no. Parole stopped in like 95. Some shit like... Really? Yeah. Is that just because there was such bad crime they tried to make... Well, the Virginia state symbol is a dude standing with his chest holding a person down, like conquering.

I'm like that's the state crack it's like they're letting you know like come around here you know that's the state logo come on vacation leave on probation you come back on a violation damn it's like that huh yeah so better to better to get caught with it than without it was your philosophy no not really i was just out you doing dumb ass and then you wind up uh so how old are you when you 17 17 yeah but that's considered an adult out there you start to see that's where it was tricky because I was young you know what I'm saying I ain't had no money and shit. So you have a public defender and he's like, yo, I'm gonna get you

juvenile life. So juvenile life is to you 21 out there. You know what I mean? So it's like, damn, I'm gonna get you juvenile life. I advise you. You know what I'm saying? Very harsh, I feel like for just a, you know what I'm saying? But it's like there's no way to get around the shit. So

it's like if you do the juvenile time, you won't have a record, an adult record. Interesting. Yeah. So I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm out to get juvenile life and shit. You know what I mean? I go in there and the judge's like,

you know, I had every intention on sent you as a juvenile, but due to the severity of this crime, I sent you to the Virginia State Penitentiary. I'm like, damn. So I go to court from the detention home, which is a youthful place. I go to court from there, and then when I leave the court,

I just go straight to jail at 17. Yeah. Is there a lot? I mean, like, you ain't got a, bro, like, you were scared as fuck, I'm assuming, right? Of course. Yeah. That's terrifying.

Yeah, what the fuck? But I was also always, like, a little bit bigger, not to say, like, I was, like, a big dog and none of the jails and no shit like that. But, and then it's also, like, once you get, once I hit the spread and, like, got to the yard and shit, it's like, people looking at you, like, damn, they ain't playing around with nobody.

They're sending his ass up, and he's a 17-year-old young white boy, and they burnt him, like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's kind of like, and then the way the prison system was, when I was locked up, it's like, our area versus like Richmond.

Okay. You know what I mean? It'll be like 757 versus Richmond type shit. You know what I'm saying? That's the all version of like bloods and crimps or whatever. No, this was like when I was in jail. I don't even know if it's still like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? This is a minute ago. But that's how it was like once you get to prison, it was like, all right, it'll be the VA, you know, you in Virginia. But it's like the 757 dudes is here and then the 804 area code is in, you know. And I'm assuming, because in a lot of things, where the politics in prison are less stringent, thank you. My bad one.

No, no, you go to you, gang? Than they are in California. Yeah. There's like a disproportionately less amount of white boys. Like there's not that many white people. Or is that, is that not the case where you is that? No, no, I was on a level three though, so I don't know how it is on like a four or a five.

Still level three in, you feel me, yeah? Like. But it won't, it won't like that. Okay, so it's like every race is there, but everyone still programmed together, do they think? and as long as you got heart. Yeah, that type of shit.

Yeah, yeah. Did you, uh, at what point, like, when you were there, were you like, I'm going to continue this curve life that I started in the criminal world. I'm going to get back home and get right back to my shit. Or were you kind of like, man, I need to change my life around. I was instantly on the rap shit. Because I was, you know, when you, when you, when you, like, 17, three years are a long time. When you, like, 30, it's like a whatever.

You know what I mean? It's sad. It's sad to say that, but like, it's a, so it's hard to even... That's a mathematical equation. Yeah. Because think about it, when you're two, one years, 50% of your life. Right, right. You know what I'm saying?

So literally, your sense of time moves slower the older you get. Yeah. That's mathematically. Yeah. So you're going to have to, you know what I mean, find you something to get through your time anyway. You know what I'm saying? Like, you ain't going to let the time do you. You're going to have to do something.

Some people do push-ups. Some people fuck with boys. Some people do with some, you know what I'm saying? Man, motherfucker gonna do whatever he's gonna do to get through the time. You know what I'm saying? Some people play chess. Some people like to play cards, play basketball, whatever the fuck. You know what I mean?

I was with the rapping shit. So what did that look like in there? Did y'all have beats for you? Like, are you writing to the radio? Like, are you just writing archipel? Yeah, you could get beat tapes because it was at the time where you could order off like the canteen list. You could order tapes and, you know what I mean, from certain sites or distributors. Yeah, not even sites, but like, it would be like the book list.

I got homies that had prison distribution companies. So like there would be you could catch a beat tape or two. You know what I'm saying? That type shit. But most of the time it'll just be, you know, somebody like doing this type shit, you know. And it starts from the... And were you battling fools in prison?

Absolutely. What was like, do you have any interesting battle stories that or anything that stands out particularly like from prison? man it's a lot of them bro like that's i heard some of the best rappers i ever heard in there that's what i was about to that's kind of where i was gonna get to yeah i definitely had heard some of the best rappers ever heard in there because it's like the way the way the prison i was i was at the joint called lawrenceville so it was like three buildings like on this y'all it's like one building here one building here one building here then it's a fence and then on the other's

one building here one building here so like this north yard and south yard y'all don't ever really interact with each other. Y'all both got your own rack, your own, whatever, except when y'all go to the cafeteria and then to the gym. Right. For like, so on every night in the gym, it'll be like different activities like basketball night, ping pong pong night, whatever, whatever.

Tuesdays and Thursdays used to be handball and table tennis night. But secretly everybody was just signing up to just go rap because that was when like, you're here like, yo, this dude over here crazy. And they're like, no, it's a white boy over here, that's nice. But no, dude over here is a Puerto Rican dude, that's crazy.

So it's like, but you never really get the rap because y'all separate it. But then y'all go to the gym and everybody will sign up to go to this shit on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Like each pod has their little stars or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then y'all meet up on like Tuesdays and Thursdays, and then there just be like hundreds of y'all in there. The shit would be like the guards be in there watching the shit. You know what I'm saying? I remember like on the canteen, you can't really, you can't get Newport 100s, you know what I'm saying?

I remember like going so crazy in there, one of the guards lit up the Newport and 100. Like, go ahead, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like that type shit, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, that's weird shit. Because in there, like, I only had three years at a time. It felt like a long, but it's people that still in there. Yeah, because if you're seven.

There's people that still in there, bro. So it's like if you got 25 or 30 years and this is all you got to look forward to every Tuesday and Thursday, you're probably going to rap a little bit harder than some chump out here battling for $500. One thousand percent. Because it's the only thing you got going on is your whole existence. And not only that, it's like, your pride. Believability.

We ain't talking about that. And you're like, that shit don't even exist. Like, right. Out here, you're trying to convince a motherfucker. Like, that's the last, you know. Right. Yeah. And many things you don't want to overwop in there because then people go

really like see, oh, okay, you that was cracking. Like, yeah. Yeah, but shout out to my dog from Richmond, dude named Bravo, he walked into his joint. He came home and started the league called the South Paul Battle Coalition in Richmond. They'd be throwing battles. But like, he was in there with me. He could tell you all this shit.

Shout out of my other man, Wise DeMarco that was in there. All these people is like people that were. We was in there rapping, and we came home and ended up doing stuff. So it's like, yeah, that's dope. So you, were you undefeated in your tenure during, of incarceration, battle rap lies? Me being real with you? Yeah. I could say one time a dude got me.

Yeah. And he wasn't even a dude that was like, that was a rapper like that. You lost to yourself type thing? No, he wasn't a rapper like that. He just, he had, you know, he won't know, battle rapper. but he just spit that pain, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was an older fool, you know what I'm saying?

He probably was doing an L note or something, and he was just sick of me in there rapping against fools. And he talked to my young ass one day. I ain't a lot. No, bullshit. He talked to my young man. He was talking that pain. There's nothing you could do when the motherfucker talked that shit to you

and you're young. Them punch lines and shit don't stand up then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't spill more cocaine than you thought about. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, good. Locked up longer than you've been alive.

Right, right. Right. It's, hey, but that real talk shit working battle rap, right? Mm-hmm. It's a, is V-A. You gotta be real, though. That's what's so ill

about the battle rap shit. Like, even right now, it's like, when you do, like, if anybody can't just take the real-talk approach or, like, try real-talk angle, you know how I go in battle, when you can't, you got to make it stick. Right.

It's way more than just the rap. You got to have, and that's why, you have this history, you have an interesting story, and I think that anyone that hears you rap, you could hear it through the rap, but then shit, like, I swear to God, sometimes I'll hear Rick Ross songs where I'll be like,

this dude has really lived that life. Like, I can hear it. He's talking about using MapQuest to deliver his cocaine. Like, I've used MapQuest to deliver cocaine before. Like, you know what I mean? Like, how would he know? I already know about MapQuests. It's not like that people use it for other things than distributing cocaine.

But beyond that, you actually have the story. That's why I think it's important to shed light, and I appreciate you doing so. Now, one thing I'm curious about VA, and I never really had clarity on, most places in America have gangs that are like derivatives of either Chicago or L.A. gangs. Like, is there politics like that with Bloods and Crifts and all that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's a big thing out there then.

Huge, man. I mean, just Google Norfolk City gangs. Okay, okay. I mean, it ain't enough for me to speak on. Yeah, yeah. My politics, but it's definitely, pray for the city, man. Pray for the city, absolutely. Shasta the 757, beautiful people.

With that being said, you came home on the wave of rapping the whole time he was there, essentially. That's how you pass your days. What's your first move and getting? involved in the battle rap scene or a hip-hop scene? Like, what's your first move? Well, a hip-hop scene was fucking one of the homies

found a league where I live at in Norfolk that was throwing battles, you know, just on some shit you never really heard of. Right. The homie found in was like, bro, go go just go do one of these times. I did it and the shit took off. You know what I mean? It was on a

less-known channel that wasn't really getting a lot of views at the time, but then I did and it kind of... What's just around like 2012 you came home? Six. Oh, so you came home in 2006? Yeah. Okay.

But what's weird is you didn't really emerge on the battle scene until around like 2009. Yeah, 2009. Yeah, yeah. And then the first, like, one that really did numbers

was a couple years later than that, or what, like around that time? The first one that really did numbers was probably when I back. I'm a half past seven on you are. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So what's the trajectory? So when you come home, are you instantly like I'm focused on battles or I just want to rap, period. Is it battles, music? Yeah. I mean, you know you got this. If you're young and start rapping, like, you know, I don't know how it is to be young now.

You know what I'm saying? I'm a little older. So I couldn't even imagine what it's like to be young now. But when I was young, it's like you're going to have this image. like if you rap like oh i'm gonna be a big artist i'm gonna do this you know but essentially all i wanted to do was to get paid to rap right that's all i wanted to do from from a young buck right right right you know what i mean was because if you get in trouble young and you come home with them else on your jacket it's a limited amount of skill set you could really bring to the table you really fall you

you're playing from you know i mean you plan get back from right right right right right right right you play catch so it's like i let me see what do i have that people tell me i'm good at you good at rapping. It's pathetic, but let's work with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, scrape the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? I'm not good at carpentry.

I don't know how to build those shit. I don't know nothing about no engines. I don't know none of that shit, but let's see what we're going to do with it. You know what I'm saying? I do one battle. The very next time, my fuck, like, yo, he's trying to bet a thousand dollars.

Boom. We own. Yeah. Now we got something to work with. Yeah. Now, you know what I'm saying? If I could make a thousand dollars and $5. minutes at this time

not doing nothing illegal I go ahead take that thousand and then do various activities to make other thousand. Right, right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Okay, so you come home, do you come home, are you back to mom's, mom in the name's crib?

Absolutely. So you back to mom's crib, is she on your helmet, like get your old shit together, stop fucking up or like, what's her vibe towards you at that point? Like I said, I've been the only child and never really, you know what I mean? New my pops like that. So me and my mom bond a special. I'm a mom's boy like a mother bro, like I'm not embarrassed to say that.

I've never been embarrassed to say that. I love my mother more than anything. That's my best friend. So she's, so your mom, is she kind of like that, the meme of, is it Michael Myers? Is Michael Myers' mom and she's hugging him? And she's like, my son ain't do shit. No, hell no. So she's not like, yeah. Hell no. Yeah, yeah. You fuck up, you fuck up.

Okay. Like that, but, you know. But at this point in time, if you're saying like when I first got out of, you got to get the out of here, no. Not, not, not get the out of here, but you got to get. your shit together, homie? Absolutely.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Absolutely. For sure. And rap doesn't sound like the most viable option. His mom's like...

When you come home, I don't know if it's like that out here, but in Virginia, if you come home from like jail or prison or when you got a probation officer, you're going to have to get a job or have somebody signing like check stubs and shit. So I had a little dead end jobs at the time and shit. Matter of fact, I had one doing a pressure washing overnight during like, you know what I'm

saying? Like every night you'll go to a different place and like pressure washing and sidewalk and shit. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it. to five in the morning. He'd a P.O. off your back. So, yeah, at that time, you know what I mean? You couldn't really, it wasn't no pressure.

Okay. I was trying to pay off because I don't know how it is out here, but like, when you come home from jail, you come home with like a bill. Restitution. Yeah, you got to pay all this shit off, so that's what I'm focused on. So she went on my back, like, yo, you got to get done all. Like, just get yourself right.

Right. And she probably just happy to have you back home. She's just like, come on, man. Traumatize her. A baby went to jail when he was 17. Only child, come on, man. You know she was sick. Yeah. That's what kids don't think about when they be fucking up and doing crazy-ass shit, man. When you go to jail, your people's go to jail too. And you better pray they don't die while you're in there because I don't see a lot of people in there.

The biggest, toughest motherfuck up break down and crumble because their parents die. Yeah, hell yeah. They can't go to the funeral. They can't touch them, none of that shit. Did you have like some pretty gnarly squabbles when you were locked up and shit? And I had one squabble my whole three years, believe it. Yeah? One squabble.

That was it. What happened? I won. You won? Whop some ass. Absolutely. He deserved it? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. It'd be like that. It was a fucking, it was actually in the youthful part before I ever went to the real jail. Oh, so you just, yeah, yeah. But it was a motherfucker that, like, he was trying to beat a charge on some crazy shit, right? So he'll go from the crazy house back to the detention home, man. Every time he'll come back to detention home, he'll sneak somebody. That's what they call it when you punch somebody.

You know, look what I call that out of it. Sneak. It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sucker. He'll sneak somebody while they're not looking and then say he was hearing voices. Yeah. So then he could try to beat the charge, but it never really worked. So he was trying to.

Yeah, somebody said, I got word from one of the homies that he was supposed to do that to me because when we was about to line up for count. And I just, I got out on him. Tried to do some J-Cat shit. It didn't work. That's all. They know. Beat the shit out there, man. Shout out of my Sally Ronnie.

That's right. Shout to Ronnie. That's right. He knows. So when you, uh, your battle rap style. And one of the reasons why I've always thought it's so formidable is the fact that you kind of have...

I feel like there's only a few other rappers I'd put in this category. And neither have them sound remotely like you, but I'll say, Hollow the Dawn, disaster, Big K, and a big overlap between the three of y'all, as y'all studied very different forms of battle rap and kind of brought them together.

You were, there's been this big divide in battle rap culture for years. You're either from the smack URL side of things where it's, you know, were murder mook and loaded Lux or the alpha and omega, or you're from the Thesaurus and Illmac side of battle. Right. You know what I mean? The more freestyling, lighthearted jokes, but, you know, very complex rhyme schemes. You got a little bit of both of that. How did that, like, how did your influences kind of build? Were you watching battles and all that?

Yeah, that's what it was. Like, I would never, I appreciate the art. Like, it don't matter where it comes from. You know what I'm saying? And my journey in battle rap was unique because I came in. Usually people come in from a different side and they're trying to get the URL. That's usually your journey in battle rap. You're coming from some side and your ultimate goal is to get to the URL.

I came in through the URL and then went the other way. So, like, my journey was different. I learned to appreciate stuff from a different side. But even when I came in and battled on you all you, I was doing interviews saying, like, yo, I fuck with I'll Mac, the source, hollow, like, you know, this type of stuff. Yeah, so when you first started, I mean, obviously, your style is suited for both arenas, but we've seen people that are able to cross over from smack and then do very well on King of the Dot afterwards. and, you know, grind time GTX type leagues, alternative leagues.

But we haven't seen that many people that have kind of been able to go the other way and start out there and then wind up being on a star level. With the exception of rappers that already had that style, the Ghi's, the Rum Nitties, et cetera, who just happened to battle the Danny Myers on KOTD or Grind Time first. but, you know, so URL being the destination of choice, what was it that kind of made you pivot and saw, because you had a lot of momentum

out the gate and you became a really big name. I want to say like 2012, 13 is like the year where Big K was like, that dude, up next. There was always up next dude. And that was you, I felt like at that point. Like, what happened? So what made me stop going to you are all right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was the whole contract error came about. Okay. You know? Because I feel like URIL was seeing that the YouTube era wasn't it, and they was looking for a new route, so they was going to be pushing this app, and with the app, come new contracts and all this, you know, other stuff.

And I respect everybody business, whatever worked for whoever that worked for them. It just didn't work for me at the time. Yeah. So we had to part ways. And then from there, I think I did the DJ Vlad joint. Okay. I could be wrong. Wait, what was it?

I could be wrong. I think I did. I either did the DJ Vlad joint or I did the, when Poison Pan had joined at YouTube. Yeah, that's what I was going to say, the battle rap arena, I think it was called. Network. Network. Network, battle rap network. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You was there. Yep, yeah. Pan, pan host of that. That was actually dope. But did you kind of feel like this is like, was that discouraging at that point? Like, okay, like, damn, I'm getting a lot of momentum over here, but I'm kind of due to I don't know if you want to call it politics or just contractual business, whatever it was,

that kind of like stalled out your momentum. Were you like, okay, this is an opportunity for me to grow somewhere else or were you kind of like, damn, like this is where I wanted to be and now I'm like kind of, I have to start over. I ain't never really want to let it get in my head,

to be honest with you, because it's easy for a battler in that position to just fade away into obscurity, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like we've seen it too many times. Like a person could come in smoking hot, white hot, and then just whatever, you know, you don't get with the program. They let you go.

Because sometimes the brand is bigger than the battler. About 95% of the time, sometimes it is like that. You know, it's like they only care about the battler if it's associated with the brand. I was able to do shit to make people care about my brand regardless of which platform it went to. You know what I'm saying? Right. And right after that, like, I was able to do. would say the one that really solidified it was the Ilmaq joint.

But then it's like my king of the dot debut comes up and this is really sink or swim. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. We hit it out the park and we got what Source Magazine had called Battle of the Year. Battle of the Year number one. That's what the source magazine kind of matter. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's ill. That's still when, you know, Biggie Small's mom would smile when his face would show open the source. Like things unchanged. But Chows of the Source for being a legendary benchmark. And handshots for that because, you know, that was when, and it's funny because the financial aspects in battle rap always changed and like the landscape of when there's more loot.

But it's been like a steady upward trajectory. Do you remember the first time you got paid to do a battle? Was it URL or? No, the first time I got paid to do a battle was the second battle I ever done. Because the first one I came home, I did it for free just because my friend found a league. But once I did that one, the very next one, a person was trying to bet me. So I got paid.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's a bet, that's which, you know, could, by the way, go very, very left with the subjectivity of better-ramp judging. Like, when you're like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, what did you like? It's like, yeah, here's a deposit. You fit in a rap. You're going to get paid.

Yeah, because then I did, like, three joints where people bet after that. Yeah, yeah. Terrifying thought, by the way, considering, like, you know how it'll be. Yeah, for sure. What's the legitimacy of the judging system and shit? Like, yeah. You want so you're not tripping. My shit was clear, though.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what they got to be. Yeah, that's the only way. They got to be clear. They got to be tricky. Yeah, it get tricky real fast. Damn, who? First, I don't know, bro.

That's a good question, man. Well, I know. No, because I battled a dude named King at a local level, and I got paid just to battle him. Okay. But I'm going to assume. Just before I ever got on smack of any of that. Okay.

And I'm going to assume your earlier, like, payments or probably, like, a few hundred dollars. I was getting thousands of dollars off Battle Rap before I ever got on Smack or any of that. I can't say that. That's crazy. I found a way to skate through the whole, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I definitely did. Not a lot, but I found a way to make a couple thousand dollars out for Battle Rap without getting booked on any way. No, but a couple thousand dollars in Battle Rap at that time? Yeah, that's like, you know, because I remember October of 2013.

2013 was the first time when I booked you for King of the Diet, you versus Ilmec, the aforementioned that... You remember the month and that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I have a... That's why I've done a lot of drugs, because my memory is like... Like, I remember

the taste of my mom's breast milk, not really, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like... I don't need to know that thing. No, no, no, I'm just hyperbolic. I'm just saying, like, like, shouts of ma dukes. I'm just saying, like, I have... I remember things good. So I remember calling you

and booking you for that battle. It was a few months before that and I was, there's like, at that time. I remember when you called me, I was in a bar on the Virginia Beach Oceanfront. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I stepped outside to talk to. Yeah.

And here's the thing, because at that time, and it's still kind of like this, there's a period where like a battle rapper becomes you're not the biggest in the game, but you're necks up and everybody wants to see you. You got the juice. And at that time, you and Big T, I remember, we're coming up right. And he had been kind of out because he had been, he came up

before me with the hollow battle and all that. Yeah, but, but he was getting like, you know, he was buzzing at that moment. And that was the battle I wanted to book was Big K versus Big T. They ended up happening years later. It happened several years later. And I was disappointed by one of the performances in that battle. I was like that and shouts of my boy. I love him. But, you know, you did great though yeah but shouts and tea that's my dog you feel me but

at that time it's like those people if they don't capitalize during that window of time where they're hot their price is going to go from 7,500 to 2,000 real quick you know what I mean like you got to hit it during that sweet spot

and y'all were both pause and y'all were both buzzing so I was trying to set that up I wound up booking you I'm not to say the amount that's nobody's business you feel me but it was um like i remember the call like i was drunk as hell and feeling myself pause and i hit you and i was like you know man we're going to do like this and you're like not fool like it's like one of my first times and you're like this is this is my price i was like okay like bk is serious about his business i don't remember that you know and it wasn't done in like a bad way at all you were just you know i remember we

came to i was happy with the agreement happy with the agreement happy with the agreement booked you, came out, battled in Oakland. Now, Oakland, my first time in the town. First time in the town. And you know, we know the town's a wild place, right? Wild place. Right now it's insane. You know, prayers for Oakland as well.

You feel in me? Absolutely. Pray of Oakland. But the battle scene in Oakland is more of the other one that I described, the Soros, Ilmec. You know, all the, that's the scene that we built. And it's very different than the one that you came from. Was it a different preparation process?

Was there elements of culture shock going over there and battling? Because, like, yeah. It felt familiar. It was just, it was an energy I never felt before for sure, for sure. The thing I liked about Oakland was like, when you came there, like you could come by yourself. I wasn't by myself, but I'm saying you could come by yourself and battle somebody from Oakland.

in a room full of everybody from Oakland. But if you was good, people would react for you. It was no way. You know what I mean? It was like people was there to watch battle rap. Yeah, 100%. Like they have one of the best crowds for battle rap, for sure. To this day. To this day, for sure.

And people like, they look at a, look, like, there's not too many places that have more pride of a city than Oakland. Like, they love, they're so proud to be from there. And their music, their culture, their way of being, and all that. their essence, but they are going to be like, matter of fact, if you're from the town, you better, you better go hell of crazy or else, you feel, me?

Oakland is one of those places that have, like, there's these certain areas in America that have a market so big that you could be a rapper and be successful without ever having to leave. You know what I mean? Like, but they only exist in, like, certain places to me. I feel like maybe like, Houston.

Florida, Houston. The Bay. The Bay. Yeah. Like, if you go to the Bay, it'll be like a hundred rappers you never heard of that. You're going to a ball and everybody knows every song from them word for word, like when it comes, you know what I mean? And that shit is healed to me. I love that about that place.

Yeah, there's dudes in the Bay area, like Andre Nicotina that probably people might not have heard of past. The Jacker. You know what I mean? RIP to the Jack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Jack was a fan of yours, actually. Yeah, yeah. RIP to the legend.

What's, damn. Oh yeah, I remember the first time I heard Keep it on the real When it was out there. Three times crazy. Yeah, I couldn't, yeah, that's a legend. That's, yeah, no, it's a, I love the bay. The Bay, the Bay, the, I love the Bay, bro.

My favorite place. We created some memories out there, man, we wild. Yeah, we were out of one night, we fucking went to, um. Oh, my God. Yeah. All right, all right, we're talking about it. No, we're talking about it. I love my brother smoking, bro.

You feel? So. No, don't see. Kay And organic Also did help him not get arrested When the Johnny's rolled up But shout out the smoking

Smoky you wild man But yeah He's a wild boy smoke I'm glad Big Kay We had a great night that night Yeah yeah We was seeing up Now

What event was that? I don't think that That was Was that even I don't even know of that That got to be one of the town business joints No no no

Okay It could have been In town business Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might have been the first album. It might have been, or it was, uh, oh, yeah. Well, wasn't it the joint where Arsenal battle, Mr. Fav? Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know if organic was at that, because I know organic was there because his Canadian accent prevailed at a very key moment with the police. We don't need to get into all that. Would that be, shout to the homies. Yeah, shout out to the legends. But that being said, there was a battle event in 2014 and were disaster battled cannabis.

Organized. 2014. 2014, December 6th, 2004. If you asked me, I would have said that was in 2010. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that was, yeah. No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2014.

10 years. We're approaching the 10-year anniversary. Oh, days and cannabis? Oh, sorry, Cassidy. I'm about to say, yeah, you're bugging. Yeah, I'm not to say, no, I'm about a challenge. Excuse me. Excuse me.

I knew it was a platinum rapper with a C. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. And you had a battle on that card versus conceded, which is arguably one of the bigger opponents. Shout out the lus, man, for always finding a way to bring the bag around in the battle wrap, man. He always found a way to do it, man. He's legendary with it, man. The man brought a billionaire in the battle rap, man.

I tried. And you've always showed a lot of love. I appreciate you. because that was a rough time and there is a lot of folks so you feel me on my helmet when things deviated you feel me just because he

just because he billionaire don't mean he got to spend it That's what I say about Lush man The thing about Lush is even if he fuck up He fuck up trying to help That's what that's the good shit Some people just be out to get over on you And be successful every time

I'd rather you fuck up trying to help me than just be out to get over on me always be successful. And then eventually somehow some way I'm gonna make you right. Right, exactly. Always make it right. Always make it right.

Yeah. Let's show, man. The legend. Thank you. I have so much love. You had, you were doing, you never have like not been active.

You've never not been consistent. I would say like from that time around, like you said, 2011-12 on, you know, you've been steadily with an upward trajectory. at a certain point, do you feel like before you wound up going on what I want to say started maybe 20, early 2020, when you just, you know, 2021, really, when you started to have this insane run that you've been on where you're, where everybody, there's a lot of people that had you as an elite pan or, you know, one of the best rappers, but then it became an undeniable, universally held belief culminating with you battling. the biggest most decorated battle rappers of all time and, you know, winning the C-O-T-Y award, as we said. Like, like, do you feel like before that you were kind of like hitting a ceiling where you,

did you ever get frustrated? Yeah, no, because that's the journey in battle rap, man, it can get frustrating because you can reach a point as a battle where it's like a couple of events in a row, the fans coming up telling you like, bro, you had the best shit of the night. Came here for you, bro. For real, you had the best performance. to the night, you know what I mean? It's constantly people saying it over and over, but then when it's

time for negotiations, it's like, oh man, we don't have this, can you just can you just take this, man, can you just do this? And you're like, all right, all right, cool. I take a little shorts. You know what I mean? I'm still getting paid a lot to rap. I might not be getting what I'm pushing for, but you know, you know how negotiations work. You take shorts this one time. But then you show up to the battle and then the main event, be like, y'all gave me 77,000.

And you're choking the second round. And you're just looking at the promoter like, all right. I'm wasting my time writing this shit. I'm staying up all these nights pacing around writing this shit, you know what I mean? And that's not how it works. So you can get frustrated. But then, you know,

then you can start reading. Because I don't know. As a battler, you might feel like, oh, this battle rap shit ain't the most important shit I'm going to do. Battle rappers have a hobby of doing that shit. Or like, if they decide to do music or do something else, they just be like, oh, no, I'm not battling no more. I'm doing, you know what?

But, man, we don't know how big. this shit is you got to start looking at that shit like you know every one of them battles that shit is like a piece of art in me like you know what I'm saying every time I did one so then god forbid you pass away or something every time all they got is these all these battles or all these pieces of content that's your that's a archive of your life exactly so when they press play on it they don't care why you only had two rounds and you wrote the day of the battle because they was playing with your money they don't know nothing they don't know the context exactly it doesn't matter at that point so you're going to have to reach a point to where you're just like all right

let me just stop fucking around. Every time you see me, I want to make sure it's that. With anything, though, not just the battle rap shit, you know what I mean? Whatever it is that you do, you have to reach a point where you're like, I ain't fucking around with this shit no more. Right.

Right, so you started to take it a little bit more seriously. The only complaint that anybody ever had about Big K was occasional choking. Yeah, writing the day of the battle, trying to memorize the shit, which is, which is insane to think you could do anyway. Yeah.

Because what happens when you do the battle rap shit is you be unprepared, right? And you write the rounds the night before the day of and you fuck around and get through it. So then you get in your own head like, oh, I could do this shit every time, but that ain't how it works. No, no. As a battle hook, you find out like, you know,

you find out your preparation. Everybody's is different. Like, what do you need to be fully prepared? How far ahead do you need to have your rounds done so you could memorize them or whatever? It could be a day in advance. It could be whatever. I could still write the week of this, you know.

You'll be straight. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, as far as incorporating rebuttals and freestyling, like, how important is that to defining, like? For me, I guess it's about what style you appreciate. Like, I don't, rebuttal and freestyle and isn't that impresses of me because that's what we come from, you know, like, that's the old era.

Like, I'd rather see how you put that shit together, like, you know. Right. Do you feel like that? I still appreciate it and you can't deny the impact it's going to have in the room. If you say something and I have a good, you know, a good rebuttal to it, it's going to shut the room down. I ain't going to deny that. Right. It's about what do you like.

And sometimes I like a rebuttal for sure. And I use them, but it's not my favorite though. It's not like a super. Some people make it a part of their arsenal. Like when you see him, you know, like, oh, he's going to rebuttal. Yeah, right. A warf and a rebuttal. I feel you.

And, um. That's my dog. Shout out there. It's just the way you said it. No, we love Warren, man. Come on, man. That's the homie, brad. Absolutely.

Would you say that the... So, at a certain point, you started doing a lot of RBE battles. RBE at the time was... Yeah, read entertainment. Shout to A.R.P. And I actually have a question from AARP, which I'm going to ask you later, that he personally submitted, and I think you will enjoy. Oh, for real?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, RBE, for those who don't know, great Battle League started by somebody who was literally just a fan of the culture. He was actually on stage in Oakland. In Oakland. In the Oakland.

Had all this shit. BIP tickets, you feel, me, to... Just to appreciate that. Just to appreciate it. And wound up being like, you know what? I got a few bucks to throw around. Let me throw my hat in the ring as far as curating events and wound up being, I mean, there's a time where RBE was the most active in Cracking League,

and that's definitely like your tenure on the platform wound up being a big catalyst for that, in my opinion, as well as many other factors. I definitely waived that flood. Yeah, yeah. So when you first started, do you feel like that, like, when you first were battling on RBE, did you realize that it was going to be as big of a platform as it became? because I always been like an independent contractor with that shit

you know what I'm saying like I never prefer like the art over the platform like I'm just here to give you the battle rap shit I'm here to you know what I mean I'm still out here because I like to hear a motherfucker who's say dope shit I still like this shit you know what I'm saying it ain't gonna never get old to me I'm always

think it's ill it's gonna always you know what I mean you feel me here absolutely it's like I'm never gonna get tired of that shit it doesn't matter so to me do you feel like that like you know

did your criminal record prevent you from being able to go to Canada yeah it took me damn near 20 years to get my passport back like from the day I got out of prison to get my passport took me like 20 years I remember the first day I came home I had to see a PO before I even went to the crib

like I got to go to the PO's office before I go to the crib I go from the prison back to the city and got to see a PO and when I walked in the first thing she was like, all right, you'll never get your passport. I'm like, yeah. Look at you now, you're dumb assho. You see the boy. Shout out to me. I just battled in Ireland. That's right. A couple months ago, I jumped in the Irish sea. Come on, man. Got some badass fucking spirits up off me, man. These hoars out here trying to put these

curses on me. None of that. None of that. You know what I'm saying? It's none of that. Yeah, no. We're legit now, man. It's over. My boy, my boy was out there in Ireland with them red-headed bitches doing the most. You feel me like I mean I wish yeah but you know yeah no Ireland was different you been there Ireland is it's an amazing place I love Ireland

so um because King of the Dot being one of the bigger leagues and a league that you had a lot of motion on at the time do you feel like and still do yeah do you feel like obviously not being able to go to Canada was pretty much stifling your chances

about that time being in it. Not just that it's like you, since a young person, all I wanted to do is just travel and see shit, you know what I'm saying? So then when I came home and I started popping with the battleship, I was getting offers from Germany, Australia, Japan, you know what I mean? Like the UK over and over Canada, and I'm having to turn down all these shit. That shit was real discouraging. And that was a big factor in me just being like, all right, the negotiations be crazy. I got to turn. And then it would be instances where, like, somebody from a league in a certain country

hit me up, and I say I can't do it. And then I'll watch another battle and get announced. And I'd be like, damn. Right. I know I shouldn't feel like no hater, but I do, though. You know what I'm saying? There's a difference between like... I'm like, damn.

I'm like, fuck, I need... I got to get this shit up off me, man. You know what I'm saying? That's why I hate talking about it so much in interviews, but I understand, like, people want to know, like, your story, when and start from and where it comes from. But it's just like, I ain't proud of that shit. Well, I mean, I mean, I'm... I think the pride in my eyes would be in the fact that you circumvented and overcame.

Those circumstances, yeah, bounced back. And, you know, really, and like you said, you was just in Ireland. You was doing things that you never thought was. I'm going back on their bitch ass. You feel me? So, like, that's that right there. To me, that's the inspiration. That's the dope message.

Now, speaking of incarceration and the effects of incarceration, there is a battle rapper that was incarcerated. This fan's insane. That segue is nuts. I believe he did a substantial amount of time or a good amount of time. And he came home with something that's really frowned upon in street and hip-hop culture, and that is a paperwork that had cooperation on it, AKA, people call snitching, ratting, whatever you want to, you know what I'm saying,

Takashiing, you feel me, whatever you want to call it. And I believe that although you already had, was that the first battle where you're like, I'm really taking shit seriously? Because you battled this guy and wound up, not only did you have an amazing performance against a highly anticipated return of a big battler, but you exposed. to the world, what, you know, the streets already knew that he was a rat. And not only that, you passed out the paperwork

at the fucking battle. And this is no disrespect to Adi, this is a commonly- Yeah, no, you got me as part of the story, bro. I ain't, you know? I hear you. It is, so you feel like you were already, like, okay, I'm not playing around no more before that? Yeah.

Was it around that time or like, or, Maybe like, because that's like, that was during the pandemic. Yeah, like, no, yeah, it was. It was 2020 or 2021, one of those years. Yeah. It was, I, the thing about that, that situation is, I found out about that nine days before the battle. Really?

So it wasn't like I had like a long time, you know what I mean? It was just some random shit. A person hit me up. You know, every time you get locked in for a battle, it'll be like, excuse me, it'll be like anonymous DMs or like a, ran a person like, yeah, his real name, Jimmy, man. He'll bitch, he got beat up.

But you know how this battle rap, this shit messy is. I don't never, I know that every time I'm about to battle somebody, it's somebody saying the same shit about me from somewhere. It's just, I don't never take it into account. But this time somebody just sent me some paperwork, and they ain't say nothing. And I was like, what is this? He was like, that's who you bought to battle, you know what I mean? He said his real name.

He was like, he teedottold him my cousin or whatever. I don't care nothing about battle rap. I just seen it on YouTube. You know what I mean? You can look into it. I ain't got nothing to lie about So I'm like, all right And I look into it

It seemed to be right So it's like I personally don't have no dog In the fight It ain't like these people I know Or grew up, you know what I mean? He didn't tell on you Exactly, but it's like

This is about a rap man You know how I go Right If a motherfucker did that shit To me he would have been right on it Man, you know what I mean So I had nine days from that Well from the time I got it

I took two days trying to verify that it was Yeah, because there's a lot of, you know. Because a lot on the line, you can't just make these type of accusations. And that'll make you look wild. Yeah, exactly. So by that time, it's like seven days and I'm like, all right, what can I do?

You know? And then the star was born. The star was born. Got his ass to fuck out of here, crucifixion. You got him to fuck out of here. Sometimes a bee's like that, man. Better look next time. The dog strikes again, man.

The dog strikes again. That's all it is. but I don't want to be known as that guy, man. That's just part of my journey. You know, I got like 100 battles, but they really liked that one. That shit went really, really viral. It was everywhere.

I was walking around. People would just scream out quotes from it. Did you, it was funny. It's like the, obviously the main quote is the recurrent. You had a hook in a battle, which we don't really seem much. Snitch boy. So, have you ever been in public where people yell out snitch boy? You know how annoying that shit is to just be in public and somebody

be screaming that shit out. You'd be like, yeah, come on. And be like, because you don't want to get misinterpreted. The optics of that. The opposites of that. Nobody knows what the fuck going on. He's just in the store. I'm like, oh, snitch boy. People like, what the what's going on? Was that, did you and Adi ever interact post that?

Are you guys like on decent terms? I never, it was never personal. We talked like a couple of days after that because it went viral on, it went on World Star and some other. the shit. So it was like a conference call between me, him and the league on the, what? It's all good. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, hey, you know. I said, it ain't like if I've seen it right now. I wouldn't say, I mean. Nah. I don't be knowing these people in battle rap. You get a call, you get a contract.

They're like, would you battle this person? I'm like, yeah, give me this. And they're like, okay, and y'all sign off. From that day on, I'm invested in your destruction. I want to see you fall. That's just how I go. That's how it would be. That's some negative-ass shit. As much as people want to dress it up, but that's why the fan base rotates every five years. Right. Usually people stick around and they're like, oh, but it takes special people to see like the silver lining in this shit, though,

because, you know what I mean? It's a brotherhood underneath all of that shit, though. Now, we're going to talk about the universe of that coming up pretty soon with your compliment battle that you got, because not all battles are negative, but, you know, for the most part, It's a What happens when you

Have to battle somebody because you know As you said When you take a battle You're committed on this person's destruction What do you do when you like them When it's the homie Bro, to be honest with you at this point I don't like doing them shits when it's the homie

Like I do a compliment joint But I do the joint when it's the homie For the right amount But I'm gonna want more It's easier to write from a standpoint of like I don't have to hate you, but we're not super good friends. Right. You know?

Right. Because the battle rap shit is unique because you could not know people and y'all be from different parts of the world. But then you look up and y'all hung out a hundred times in the last 10 years in different cities around the world. And, you know, y'all start to be kind of cool even if it wasn't even like that. Y'all on every car together. You're on different cities. You're like, damn, this fool. was actually kind of cool. I didn't even know, you know what I mean? Like, I never would have

in reality been homies with Real Deal. Like, you know what I mean? But he's one of my best friends. Like, I love Real Deal. Exactly. And you're from Pittsburgh. I'm from L.A., we never would have encountered each other. Like, I think I heard, um, I forgot who said it, but it was like, even when battle rappers is beefing, like, even when they hate each other, they still got more in common with each other than like 90% of the rest of the world. Like, you know, and that's-amorized in this. Yeah, it's kind of weird. You know what I mean? how that battle rap shit worked. I don't mean, you know, all the people on a low level

that ain't never did shit yet. You know what I'm saying? You got around your stripes, man. I ain't talking about you yet. You know what I'm saying? No, just get yours. Get there. You feel what? Get there. Man, so I can put you down, man. You know what happened. That's all right. We're back to the interview now. That's what we're on. Now, your insane run that I mentioned

and you, most of it was on RBE. There's the A-Word battle. There was the, what, would you say? say murder mook was like the culmination because you had like a string of five or six crazy battles in a row. Some of them pretty with, I'll say

with the exception of the Reed, which wasn't you as your best, obviously, you know what I mean, the Reed dollars battle, but almost all them are flawless performances. You know what I mean? And unprecedented run. Did you do you think that the murder mook is like murder mook is like... Because the read is the year before.

That was a year before, but that was like... So like when we started on the run of the 2023 run, it was A-WR. Okay. So that was the beginning of the flawless run right there. Me and A-Wore was locked in the year before. We was post-a-battle in November. Something happened where the event got pushed back to February.

So that was a unique situation where it's like I had the most time to prepare for somebody. So that's why I think the result was so drastic and, you know, people view that battle like how they view it. And then from there you get Big K versus Mercery. Mook, who people consider the final boss of battle rap. That's what I'm saying. He's a final boss. Like, that's just how it goes. Like, if you talk to the average celebrity or person in the industry, they might not

know shit about battle rap, but if you say murder Mook, they're going to know what you're talking about. Right. So it's just how it is, you know what I mean? And whooped on you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I caught, you know what I mean? Got a clear win, you know what I mean? A lot of people feel like I won that battle. No, that's like, I mean, like, the people that don't

believe that you won are, by and large, somewhat delusional. And But they exist, and we have to know of them. They exist. And that's the great thing about Battle Rap. There are no winners and losers. And people could just argue in the comments until forever. But if you ask me and anybody who brain works, Big K1 at 3-0. Right.

And, you know, and Murdoch is an all-time great. Absolutely is. I mean, was it difficult to prepare? Did that make you want to eat? See, my whole journey in Battlewrap, even when I came into this year, I will make sure when I meet people in Battlewrap who inspired me or who I think is dope, I would tell them how dope they are.

Like how much respect I have for murder mood, how much respect I have for Lodilux or Ill Mac, like disaster or the source. You can ask all these people what I've told them, you know? But that would never change that life. I feel like you can't f*** me in a battle. You know what I mean?

And also, I have that much respect for you that I'm going to make sure. You know what I mean? Either you're going to fight or I'm going to win. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's how much respect I got for you. You know what I mean?

I got to let you know that, you know, this should have be all right. Did you think there was a chance because at the end of the day shots of Jay Black and, you know, champion and all them, like there's a,

being a subjective sport and being a sport that's or art form, whatever you want to call it, that's determined by opinions at the end of the day. Although there is an overwhelming clamor for Big K being the COTY, the champion of the year,

You know what I mean? Like, did you kind of still feel like you wasn't going to win? I mean, it came down to fan vote between me versus twerk. Like, that's how it was. It was like the people that was, the judges that was voting for, it was split. And then the last vote was the fan vote, and it was me versus twerk. So we all know twerk is a super mega star in battle rap. He's a huge favorite.

Very popular. Arguably the most popular of this generation. Like, huge. So to win the fan vote against him was huge. You know, that's absolutely insane. I think that just solidified the work I put in that year. You know what I mean? Because then I didn't stop after the MOOC, you know, right after that.

I go back to back from MOOC with T-Rex. I don't think anybody ever done that. Right, right. Come on, man. I go from MOOC to Rex. You're still in Harlem. And then from there, I go back to the Blue Room in the St. Louis Return card where you got hitman, Verb, and Young Hill on the same car.

And I battle Young Hill. And 30 this, man. So there's a venue in Atlanta. Then I go to Canada and make my international debut against Sharon, the best battler in the country. Right. This ain't no local chump. This ain't backpack bar.

No, they ain't a local joker. You know what I'm saying? This ain't Billy Pistles. Yeah, I go out there. Go toe to toe with him in a whole other country, make my international debut. Then we come back and we end the year with me versus jazz. When they say she's the hottest shit, she actually could be the Cody. She was in the Cody discussion.

Not only that. And I make my debut on Chrome. Arguably the greatest female battle rapper of all time. Absolutely. Yeah. Most accomplished. Yeah. Most accomplished.

Yeah. And you're one of the, you're actually like one of the. She always been my goal. Jazz knows that. Yeah. And jazz was a catalyst. Me interviewing jazz on here made me like, I want to have more battle rappers. I was a catalyst for me actually circling the bug.

Shout out to the ladies in battle rap, man. Shout out to all the ladies. Shouts of all the ladies. At a certain point, like, during, like, okay, like, you wind up. What was the prize for Cody? Is 10 bands, right? Like, around that. It's around that, yeah.

It's just like, I think every year the fans donate to a pot and whatever it is, the person gets it. Right, okay. So it can be. Soft tan, whatever he is. A cool amount of money. It remains to be seen. It remains to be seen.

And you were, your bags started to get significantly larger in battle rap As a word For sure, I mean, yeah. Once you learn that it's not about putting on good performances. It's about selling tickets. It's about selling the, you know,

and good performance is part of it now. Don't get it wrong because it's, shit could get lost in translation of where battle is just focused on promotion the whole time and then going there don't say shit. I would rather you never promote it and show up and rap for real. Right. To me, but I guess I'm old-fashioned.

But nowadays, it's like, this Twitter space shit, they would rather you, like, lock in the battle and just sit on Twitter space every single day. Yeah, that shit's weird. Like, I can't get down like that. Now, there's, um, like, right around the time where you reach the apex of your popularity and success, and you're starting to get the bigger bags in battle rap. And, you know, the people get well into the five figures in battle rap. And you're starting to get these offers and you're starting to, you know, be able to be a real-life, full-time rapper without anything, you know what I mean?

Like, there's a lot of talk that there's no more money in battle rap. And, you know, URL wind up. There's no more deal with caffeine, RBE's production and slowed down. Like, what are your thoughts?

Is battle rap finish? Is it on the downward trend? Is there no more money? What's the deal? The thing about battle rap is, um, like, you know how this shit works,

bro. It's always like, independently funded. It's always somebody that to pop up a private investor or somebody who fucks with it and sees it, you know, because it's like you can make a lot of fucking money and pay out of rap. If you do it the right way, you can. You can also lose it all, you know, you definitely can.

But the thing about it is, it's there. So it's always going to be somebody willing to come in and lose it if they do or flip it, you know, and fucking with the dog, you're going to make your money back. You don't make your money back. And also, you're going to throw another one, a bigger one. Right. You know what I mean? So it's just, I've been lucky to be able to create a draw.

It's more so than just like putting on good performances, like create a draw. Like, even the people who look at me like a hill, you know, like, I could see the same comment on every video like, this fool. But it's like, if I'm an entertainer, all I'm supposed to do is make you fill away. So if you hate me or love me, I did my job, right? It's when you don't feel away about me. That's when I'm in trouble. When they're indifferent.

You know what I'm saying? That's so. There's a lot of, um, uh, uh, battle rappers, majority of all entertainers in general, to be honest, really try to connect with their audience and fan base. And if they get criticism, they might take it into account. What you do when someone tweets at you, and if you don't like something about it in any regard, they're going to get a swift block and a quote-unquote, eat-shit nerds, the catchphrase. A lot of eat-shin-nors and blocking.

I mean, yeah. I love it, by the way. I'm a huge fan of you blocking and just your internet presence and the amount of fun I happen to be stuck in the airport somewhere right and I'm like all let me do my Twitter thing

and I got my phone in my hand and you like you white boy you lost 30 block yeah there's no need for CEEP what are you doing here what do we even have to talk about

why would I even go back and forth with this get him out of here right yeah so I would encourage more people to do that because like my social media has gotten way more pleasant yeah over the years There's nothing to talk. There's no need to argue or go back and forth and be like, why are you the way you are?

Just kidding me. You don't even want to watch the show. And if you're going to watch the show, you have to create a fake account and sit there in silence. No other word. You recently just battled on King of the Dodd on what's arguably the biggest event of the year, Massacre 6. I believe you've been on every single massacre card, correct? Have you? No, I've been on every one but one. Okay.

Yeah, I've been on 5 out of the 6. Okay, you've been on 5 out of the 6 cards. The third massacre meant you battled a rapper that is one of the greatest of all time Pat Stay. Oh man, legend.

Yeah. Unfortunately, we lost way too early. What are your experiences and thoughts on the legacy of Pat's Day as yesterday was the one year anniversary of you.

Excuse me, two year anniversary he was passing. The legend man, it's my brother, man. I love that guy, man. Rest and peace. R. IP, Pat, man. You know what I'm saying?

A great human being, man. One of the greatest battle rappers and a better human being, man. Absolutely. And funny is a motherfucker. Yeah, for sure. Now, on the most recent mask card, you had a battle with arguably,

like, you know, another one of the top rappers in the past several years, the URL Kingpin versus, you know, I don't know how you would, versus the code, you will say that. you know, and someone that's been in contention for Cody multiple times.

Tayrock, the battle just dropped. Do you think that most people have you as a winner? There's been a lot of controversy about this battle. Yeah, I mean, seems to be like a lot of people who are saying, like, you know, I thought Big K1-21 at first, but after watching it,

I actually think Big K-1-30. That's what I've been seeing a lot of people say. Right. That's the only comments I see is Big K-1. I don't see anything else, you know, And that's the way I like to keep it. You know, anybody who thinks that battle's debatable, probably doesn't know what they're talking about.

That's the thing about the dog. He strikes again. He does strike again. He strikes again. TDSA. Yeah, for sure. What, do you feel like there is an element of the, like a shock value thing of, okay, we got Tayrock on King of the Dodd. This is so monumental.

This is not something we were expecting this. Do you think like that kind of like? Absolutely. It was huge, man. But no, we made a classic and it was just. It was dope to be able to deliver, like, to the fans of GrudgeMass that live up to the hype. Because, you know, in Battle Rap, these, like, huge mega matches, like, 95% of the time, they don't really live up to the hype or they can under deliver. But everybody that I've talked to, everybody that I've seen is like, yo, this battle is amazing.

And what more could we ask for? That's the type of shit that, you know, keep the promoters happy, keep the fans happy, keep us happy, keep my legacy alive. And keep the dog striking again. You got to keep them striking. Absolutely. What is up with the discrepancy between the round? times. Why did it seem like he wrapped for so much longer than you? He did. I mean, I've seen people break down the times. I think his first round is in like the 10 minutes. I know we agreed on

three minutes with a 30 second grace period. So, you know, I'm willing to let you go four, 430. I think, you know, all my rounds is like four, 430, you know. You're very stringent about that too, because I posted battles and you, everybody knows that like, yo, if you book me for two minutes, I'm a wrap for two minutes. I'm not going to give you more than what you pay for. But in this scenario, this is a grudge match that's been brewing since 2009. I know the people want what they want. So let me come in here.

If we're agreeing on 3.30, let me come in here with 3, 5-minute rounds, which is what I did. Dude came in there with 3 10-minute rounds, which is kind of like OD. So, you know, all I know is before we step on stage, you know, I mean, the host is like, yo, what do you want to do with the round times, you know? organic. It's like, what you want to do with the round times? I'm like, shit, we had 3.30. You can cut them off at 4.4. You're like, cool. He started rapping. He gets around the 8 minute mark. I'm like, yo, what you're going to do?

You know what I'm saying? Because you know how the optics work in battle rap? If you're a battle rapper and the time's not being enforced, if you say, yo, what's up with the time, the crowd turned on you. They don't care about that shit. They want to see the battle. You know what I'm saying? So they'll turn on your ass. Like, bro, come on what you mean? You're watching the call. He's like, and it also looked like you look. Right.

You know? It's a tough position pause to be in for organic to be like, okay, you know, this is a dude that... I understand this is debut. Right. It's a huge match. I don't want to say timing in the crowd. Like, ah, I get it, because that's what they'll do.

They might boo. They might, you know, in the time. But to be fair, 10 minutes... It's OD. Very OD. Yeah. But for a URO rapper, that's essentially one minute. So, like, they got stamina pause.

I'm going crazy. Like, I ain't even mad. even mad. With that being said, you had an incredible match. It just dropped. And by the time this drops, you will be a day or two later than the announcement of your next big battle. A dude that was...

Well, next week, we got, you know what I mean? We got the compliment battles going down. We got the Complement Battle on Barstool. Barstool sports going down to Chelsea City Music Hall. That's going to be crazy. That's going to be crazy. That's right. Thone by Roney Baby the Prince.

Shouts of my dog, Rone. Come on, man. Big Roan going out here. We're going to eat. You know, Roan, I'm going to need you in that chair next. Yeah, you got to come up here, Rome for sure. Yeah, we've been talking about it. So we're big barstool heads in the functions. That's going to be incredible.

And I'm glad that they picked up that for our second season. Yeah, I love Rome, man. Shout out the Roan, man, for making it happen. One of the best. Maybe by the time this drop, we got the announcement. You know, we got Big K versus New Jersey twerk after me. On this hitman holler versus Geechie Gotti Car going down and Adel Atlanta, November 9th.

Is that RBE? No, it's what you're? Bags and bodies. Bags and bodies. So hit man put it together. Okay. Okay. So that's why hit man and Gitchie even going.

I believe it's called Major Moves. Is the name of the, you know what I mean? Making moves or Major Moves, one of those. That's right. That's with the theme of like putting the power back in the battle of's hand. So we need everybody to support and cop the paper views for this and come out and support, you know, if you were in the area. Yeah, no.

that's going to be so lit. And just those two battles alone, you don't even need to really have a... Absolutely. That could be the entire carpet. I believe it's going to be a small event like that with just two or three battles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All big dogs. Yeah, because, I mean, me being on the inside, not of this particular, but just the industry, I know that the budget's already being stretched pretty far on those battles. Do you hear those four?

No, you got Hitman Hollow versus Gitchie got it. You got Big K versus New Jersey twerk. Yeah, what else we need? This is insane. What else we need? What else we need? This is insane. This is November 9th in Atlanta, by the way.

We dumbass views for that. And since I got you here and you have a, you watch it, I would love to get your take on the recent, from a battle rap standpoint on the no-jumper cipher and the response, and the response distract by AD&T. No, do that. No, do that.

What is the top battle rapper, most decorated battle rapper in the game, have to say. Was it garbage? It was parody. It's like a parody, you know what I mean? It's like, um, it's a parody. Fools were having fun with it.

I'm glad you're having fun with it and not making it serious. I said that. You know what I mean? You know? But you know, I enjoy the podcast. Wars doing fun shit like that. I enjoy y'all doing that. It's whatever.

Exactly. Like from a bar standpoint or something, it's super crazy. Like, you know, you know, I f*** with lush, man. Come on, man. man the long way. Come on. That's my dog, man. I'm always a point what Lus got going on.

You know how we coming, man. Yeah. With that being said, bro, um, when you, like, I have to touch on this before we did, pause,

uh, you, uh, one of the strongest attributes you have as a battle to me has always been your defense. And you are very, so demeaning towards your opponents. Like,

is there ever bars that you think are good that you call garbage or you do, like the kick thing that you be doing, like your trademark maneuver, that you actually think are good, that you're just saying, they're always really good. My reaction is always going to be genuine. Like, bro, there's plenty of battles when I'm like, yo, that was ill, you know?

There's plenty of battles when I like shit, too. People just focus on times when I say something's trashed because I like, it really highlights how bad it is. Yeah. But it's plenty of people I battle that's that crazy shit that I'm like, yo, you know? You know how the internet works, man? How much negative. This is how the game goes.

player is how the game goes and finally before we dip you've always been really dope in making music oh yeah i got yeah and you got something in the canon right now yeah it's about to be up um it might be out by the time this or i don't know but we yeah we got the dog strikes again volume one coming out you know i mean fully produced by chase more exclusively chase more produced fully produced by chase more we got ill mac on there we got nino bless on there we got mad flex on there we got fredo on there Going stupid. We got Adam flowers on there. Oh, my God.

Legend. Yeah, we got Baby Franco on there. I might try to sing 16 on there myself. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. With that being said, Kay, do you feel like music is going to be a big focus for you moving forward? Or is it going to, you know what I'm saying?

I just try to give, like, my supporters everything they want from me. You know, they've been asking for music from me, too, with the battles. And that's the way you really capitalize with dropping battles or any type of content. You've got to have something, something. melts to bring to them once they press play. You know what I mean? So if they press play on the battle and they know like, oh, this shit's out everywhere, they're going to go listen to it. That's all I'm trying to do. Cover

all avenues, man. Get better at doing this content. You're following your footsteps, man. You know what I'm saying? You're laying down the breadcrum trail, you know what I'm saying? Come on, man. We're just trying to get to it and all the real ones, you know what I'm saying? We're going to God willing, we're going to get there. Ain't a man. You feel

me? With that being said, we could go another two hours. This has been an incredible conversation. might be a part one to a continuing series because I thought this was really dope. I'm with it, bro. Shout to my dog, Big King, any final words for the people. That's the thing about the dog.

He strikes again. He strikes again. The dog, baby. And if you don't know why he's the dog, just watch a few battles and you shall find out. Lessuno, no jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And we about this biotch. I'll just be it.