No Jumper - Bizzy Banks on his Brooklyn Upbringing, Going Beyond Drill, Losing Pop Smoke & More

Episode Date: March 11, 2023

Bizzy Banks talks about his come-up, Rolling Loud, Carti, Bobby Shmurda, Shawny Binladen and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:00 Bizzy Banks on waking up too late to perform at Rolling Loud and talks about Playboi Carti’s performance 2:30 Bizzy Banks talks about listening to Rock & Roll and various genres of music 3:08 Bizzy Banks on growing up in East New York and Crown Heights 5:23 Bizzy Banks talks about the metal detectors in high school and his high school experience 7:30 Adam asks Bizzy Banks when he started rapping and when he decided to take it seriously 8:40 Bizzy Banks on growing up Rastafarian and if he still follows the religion 11:20 Adam asks Bizzy Banks what he did after high school and attempting college 14:05 Bizzy Banks talks about becoming a teacher's assistant but leaving to be in the streets 15:54 Adam asks Bizzy Banks about starting his rap career and rapping on Facebook 19:15 Adam says that Bobby Shmurda is not a drill rapper, but he helped inspire the NY scene and Bizzy talks about getting inspired by Chief Keef 21:07 Adam asks what made Bizzy Banks take music more seriously and having "Don't Start" blow up 23:30 Adam asks Bizzy Banks about the politics in Drill music and working with Ciggy Black 26:30 Bizzy Banks on record labels reaching out after going viral and getting locked up for 6 months 29:20 Bizzy Banks talks about signing with Atlantic Records and having a good relationship 33:10 Adam asks Bizzy which New York artists he listens to and his thoughts on the Kay Flock RICO 35:00 Bizzy on getting arrested for 8 months for possession of 2 pounds of weed 38:10 Bizzy Banks talks about the difference in jails between New Jersey vs. New York 44:20 Adam asks Bizzy Banks if he’s done with the violent rap songs like he made in 2019 45:55 Bizzy Banks on Pop Smoke’s short-lived career and if it has changed the way he moved 49:00 Adam asks Bizzy Banks about his song going on Pop Smoke's posthumous album 50:55 Bizzy Banks on his focus to further grow his career and dropping new music while locked up 53:25 Bizzy Banks talks about his upcoming releases and releasing a project with Shawny Binladen ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No drummer. Coolest podcast in the world and I'm in here with busy banks. Getting money. What's the word? How you feel, man? I'm a big fan. I'm not going to lie. We've been talking about doing this for years. Nah, hell, you're like two years ago? Yeah, I hit you a long time ago. I follow all these fucking different journalists and stuff who talk about drill music and whatever the hell is going on and New York and stuff. And I just remember somebody writing a little article about you and I just got super tuned in right then and there. That's fire. Yeah. So what brings you to town? You're at rolling loud or something?

Um, yeah, I was supposed to do rolling a lot. I didn't even go, though. Somebody was supposed to bring me out. But I'm, other than that, I'm really just out here recording. Someone was supposed to bring you out and then something happened? Nah, ain't, ain't really happening. Just woke up too late. Wow, really? Yeah, yeah.

Damn, everybody being screwed up by the scheduling stuff. Yeah, that's really what it was. I think the day that I thought I was supposed to get brought out, like, Friday. Uh-huh. And the person who was supposed to bring me out was really supposed to bring me out for Saturday. Okay. It was like a miscommunication. So I already had, like, they gave up on the other.

Oh, all right. Everybody, like, even Cardi had to get off stage super early. Like, I'm assuming he just showed up late. And he was, like, headline in one of the days. Mm. Interesting. He still had a good performance, though. No, yeah.

It was a little demonic, though, in a lot of people's opinions. Yeah, he'd be going crazy. Do you see that, though? What did you think of it? Yeah, I saw it on the ground. I don't know, that's regular Cardi. Yeah. I've kind of used to it.

But it's gotten darker over the years, for sure. Or like a lot more just rock and roll, like a lot more like evil. Like, you know, like, you saw the video of the girl freaking out about it? Oh yeah, when she was talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I feel like that's, that's his lane. That's what he do. So, like, I've previously said that I wasn't a huge fan of like a whole lot of red. I might have to give it another re-listen though because I'm going to be real with you. Like, I always liked metal where they're like, you know, it's, it's dark. They're talking about evil shit, satanic shit. They're not mostly, like, Satan worshippers. They're just saying crazy stuff because it sounds cool in music and stuff.

And so I kind of appreciate the fact that Cardi is, like, making all these normal hip-hop fans kind of, like, question what they're even into because it has just, like, a completely different vibe than you've probably ever seen at a rap festival. No, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't really, I'm not really deep into all that. It's not your style. Yeah, no. My sister used to bump a lot of rock and roll, though. I forgot the song, you know the song, when they be like,

We're about to build a prison, we're about to build a prison, some rock song. I forgot, they like, I don't remember their name, but she used to listen to all that. Yeah. I mean, when I be seeing it, it's like, like you said, like they've been saying little lyrics like that. Yeah. From my experience, most of the people I know from the streets

don't know anything about metal. It's just like there's no overlap. Like, they just have not really been exposed to it. But I feel like if they were exposed to it, that they would be able to appreciate it. No, yeah. I don't know. I listened to everything growing up, so.

Right. Definitely. So you're from Brooklyn? Yeah, Brooklyn, New York. Where, uh, exactly? East New York. Okay, so you... Yeah, I grew up, like, in Crown Heights.

I was living with my grandma. You know how it is in the hood. Right. You got to live with your grandma sometimes. I don't lot going on. So I grew up a little bit in the Heights. I went to the school in the Heights, so I can say that.

I'm really from East New York, though. Crown Heights versus East New York in terms of the vibe? How would you compare the two? I mean, they both, they both treacherous. I mean, East New York is different, though. Like, from the East, you really know what's going on. And that's like, like, what you hear about when you hear about the Hudson, New York? Like, what's the most hood you hear about?

That's, like, terrible. Well, like, everybody just talks about Brownsville and East New York. It's literally the same thing as Brownsville. Because it's so far that it's, like, the most resistant to gentrification. Yeah, Brownsville and East New York, the exact same. Crown Heights is an easy call. Got to gentify that. It's too close.

Yeah, yeah, Crown Heights is more closer to the style. I mean, Crown Heights is really close to Brownsville, too. Like, because, like, when you go up the hill on Southern and Rutland, that's when it turned into Crown Heights. You start seeing Utica, Eastern Parkway, and all that. Right. But Crown Heights is easier to kind of like gentrified or because it's closer to Beth. To Best style.

Yeah. I'm about to say the full name. But yeah, it's closer to the style. But East New York and Brownsville is, like, connected to each other. So when you're leaving out Brownsville, you're going to run into East New York. East New York just like Brownsville. Right. And so growing up most, but you left East New York at what age and at what point did you start mostly residing in Cren Heights?

Nah, I was in Cran Heights when I was young, like, when I was in like fourth, fourth to like, really like third to fifth grade. Uh-huh. I used to go to PS 12 in Cron Hines. We were from Cron Hines and over P.S.12 at. I just go to PS-12 and I used to go to 191. I grew up on. I used to be on St. John in Buffalo. And then I left like sixth grade out, went straight to East New York.

That's one thing I love about New York is that the public schools are just like a number. Yeah. It's like every other place I've ever been in my life where like the schools have names. They're named after somebody, but it's somehow in New York there's so many schools. My junior high school had a name though instead of a number. Right. It had a number two. It was both.

Because usually they would have both, right? In fact. But usually like a lot of people wouldn't really use the full name. Yeah. Okay. But like how would you describe your upbringing? You have metal detectors when you're going into high school and stuff? Yeah.

have metal detector coming and bring your phone and you know, it's always ways to get past that though. Right. Like that. Middle school, you ain't really had metal detectors. There'd probably be a metal detector once in a blue moon. Like, they'd do some random shit. Right.

So other than that, but high school always had a metal detector though. That was something that we used to always just hear about as kids and we always thought it sounded crazy. Just the metal detector thing. Just the idea that it was that common that kids would bring guns to school? Nah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So would you say that your high school experience was wild?

Was it pretty out of control? or was it? I don't know. My high school experience, regular. I was lit in high school, so I don't really know how to explain it. Lit, you were just a popular kid? Yeah. Everybody knew me.

I had four schools and one. Whole school knew me. Like, all four schools knew me. Four different schools that you were tapped in with? In one building. It's four schools in one building. Really? Yeah.

What's the point of them even being separate schools? I don't know. I really don't. Interesting. All right, so why would you say, like, what kind of person were you that you had so many good relationships like that? I would just, I could curse right now. I can't really curse.

Of course, yeah. And I was just fucking a lot of bitches. So it was like, you know, how that go? Always, females always talking about with me. It wasn't a lot of niggas of my school either. Like, my school specifically, I went to Prospect Heights. So it's a part of my school is like a performer art school called BSM. That's the one I went to.

It's like 10% of boys in there 10? Yeah How does a guy even get access? It sounds like it would be like The most desired place on earth If you're a dude All the homies went to other schools

Like around the building But the school I was in It wasn't that much So it was like That's wild I always heard that about certain colleges and shit I was like 80% girls I'm like that's unbelievable

How the fuck did I grow up Not knowing about this Would have been one there Yeah That's an easy call. Because it's like, then there's going to be like a scarcity-mind state where you're going to have girls fighting over you probably. It was getting crazy in high school.

I ain't going to walk. Were you rapping in high school or when did that come in? I was always rapping. I was rapping since, like, elementary. I used to always just freestyle, though. I wasn't like really making old songs, really. Right. So it's always freestyling.

When I got to high school, I wasn't taking it serious, but I was doing little ones and two freestyles. Probably mentioned somebody in it. Like, you know, like a little situation assigned. You know, the school will go. crazy. Me and my son Eli and my son Drizzi. We were doing music in high school together. So that was the cheat code even at the time that you were talking about beef and stuff? I wasn't really beef. I don't, it's like how I rap now. Like, I say a little sneaky line that

certain people will know and it just go crazy. Like, so I was really, I really probably mentioned a female in a song like, I had a freestyle when I mentioned a female and nobody knew like what me and how really had going on. I ain't exposed to nothing, but I just said like a little lawn and then everybody just started paying two and two together. So, you know, the school, like, oh, y'all heard the shit busy came with. Because if you say anything crazy, distance somebody in school, you probably gets suspended or whatever, right? Yeah, I don't know.

I ain't go through that. I feel like that would just be an easy, like, bullying case or whatever. I wasn't bullying. I don't do nothing like that. I forgot to ask about this. You grew up Rasta? Yeah, my mom and dad. So what was that like?

It was the same. I mean, it's not really, it's not really. it just more what's the word for like humble me I guess you know growing up different it just made me move a different way

so it's like I would just own a different religion I mean it's like basically a religion for me right it's like on Saturday we got Sabbath which I'm pretty sure another religion I have that oh yeah Jews do Sabbath

Muslim do Ramadan but yeah it's the same thing like you can't you gotta pray five times a day every Saturday it's a certain times and you can't eat until the sun go down

which is mostly like 6 p.m. That's a new day in Ethiopia. A lot of people would be thinking like Rostas is like straight from Jamaica but you know it's like everything is really from Ethiopia though. Do you still believe in that? Nah, yeah.

Do you still pray five times a day? I don't pray five times a day but I still follow it like that's really my life so it's like you know I'm used to fasting like I can fast on a Saturday if it's possible. I don't follow it 100% anymore. You know, I still go in the crib, pray.

Bible. You fast the whole day. I could have. I basically do that on the regular though. I don't really eat till like night time. Really? Yeah. That's tough.

You guys why you're so skinny? Yeah, so I'm little. I'll be eating like three, four meals a day, dude. I don't know if I could sit in here and like be able to have conversations for hours without being able to eat. I'm used to it. And then, you know, Rastas is like vegan. It's a difference vegetarian and vegans. I don't remember which one is.

Which, but... Well, vegans just don't eat, you know, eggs or any animal products. Cheese. So I couldn't drink regular milk, couldn't eat regular cheese, couldn't eat cheese, honey buns, shit like that. You know, as I get older, I start just thugging doing what I want to do. It's all about, like, how deep you want to go with it. Because I remember when I was trying to be vegan in high school,

I realized at a certain point, like, oh, there's a lot of bread I can't eat. Yeah, because bread has eggs and shit. Yeah, which was, like, kind of mind-blowing to me, like, oh, shit. I'm expected to take it that serious. I don't know if I could do that. I mean, I was a kid, so I had to listen to my mom. I had to do it. So I had to do it.

The time I started again, like 10 and 11, and I'm watching everybody eat, like, baking naga cheese and shit. It's got to be tough to hold on, right? I got to see what that's about it. Yeah, all right. And it was only my mom and dad, too. So, like, when I go to my grandparents' house, my cousin's house, they're not following that.

So it's like, it's more like that. Right. Interesting. Okay. So you're kind of getting turned out right from my early age as well, yeah. Basically. Interesting. It turns out to like, you know, cheese doodles or whatever, the case might be.

All right. So you finished high school? Yeah, I graduated. And what did you do after that? Nothing. Nah, I attempted to go to college. That's the crazy part, but I never sat in a college class, though. I did the fast food.

I did all that. You signed up and did all the preparation stuff? I went to the building, and I was running late. I was in my man, it's 40. I was running late. And, like, when I went to the classroom door, the whole class looked at me, the professor, the students. And he was like, are you supposed to be in here? I'm like, no, I don't think that the class I'm supposed to.

I just left the building. You just kind of got cold feet or what? Yeah, I just got out of it. I don't know. I don't be liking too much attention. I wasn't really worried about college. I was just doing it because it's like my oldest sister actually went to college. Like, she's the only person in my family that I went to college.

So I was trying to do it just to be like, me, second person to make it cool. I ain't really want to do it though. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's just, if you don't want to do it, it's so much work. Yeah. I wasn't ready for that. Like, I ain't even think I was going to graduate high school. So he graduated high school

was enough for me. I was always good in school though But as you start getting older Like shit starts switching up I feel like I could easily Go through college now Because I know what it's like to have a job Or like you know to work like all the time

But as a young dude Like I just didn't have that drive at all But as I'm older I'm realizing that's basically what school was preparing you for To wake up early Have a schedule Move around and life Stop being lazy

Like I realize that now that I'm older When I was younger, I used to be like, why the fuck I got to go to school at 8 o'clock? I'm getting there like 11, 11.30. But now that I'm working for me and I got to be at an interview at a certain time. It just, I'm like basically like school was basically training you for the real world, basically. Like, that's how I look at it. Yeah, definitely. No, it gives you that structure.

And like, yeah, when you're a kid, it's just you don't want to get up early to go to school. You don't understand it though. Yeah. It seems terrible. But then you get older and you start to go to work. And like, you know, you make music. I do interviews. We both have jobs that are pretty much like as cool as it gets for most people would

would say. But realistically, like most people, like if you were a fucking trashman or you do construction whatever, it's like this is just school, but it's, you're not learning. You're just working. You're just doing something over and over. I'm learning why you working, though, but I get what you're saying. But, you know, it's like, you know, work is just going to be so much fucking harder than school because it's, it's serious.

It's like you have to create value for the company that's hiring you. It's just like, you know, a completely different analysis. whereas just going to school and learning. As soon as you have a job, it just seems very luxurious. Yeah. But, okay, so you're just kind of hanging out at that point, or what were you up to? You have a job?

I had a job for, like, four days. Everything was like... What job? I actually sounded up to be a paraprofessional. I did it for, like, four days. I ended up going to Florida. And what even is that? Paraprofessional.

That's like when you work with, like, you ever been in school and there's like two teachers in the room? Like one teacher is with a specific student So it was like that But like the student Like the student have a disability Probably that's why they need that teacher

Okay Kid I was working with He couldn't hear out his left here But I just did like the weekend though I probably worked like Wednesday to Friday And then I went to Florida For the weekend

And I didn't go Monday And they called me like Why you ain't come I'm at Florida right now Like I don't know My mom wasn't on I was knowing so much What were you doing Florida?

chilling. Yeah? I'm moving around. Girls, money to be made. Yeah, money to be made. Interesting. What kind of stuff you have going on at that time? You're in the streets?

The Florida streets? Florida streets? Florida Street? No, I wasn't in the Florida Street. For me, you could do your ones and tools around all the states. Right. Once you know what you're doing and what you're going there for. Interesting.

The moves to be made down in Florida. Actually, I could think of some stuff that you could get in Florida. Florida that might be more desirable in New York, might be able to charge a premium in New York, that kind of thing? Oh, no. I'm just trying to put it together. Okay. So, all right, the paraprofessional thing doesn't work out.

Yeah. That was my only, like, real job, though. Right. That was, like, that was, like, 2017. So I had a real job for, like, four days. I never really went to college, but I applied, so I guess I went. But I dropped all my class. Right.

So you just dropped everything. And then what are you doing at that point? Like is rapping part of the conversation at this point? Yeah, I was rapping. I wasn't, like, 2017. I think I just dropped a song called like Nine Shots. I probably dropped nine shots, 2016, 2017. I don't remember.

And nine shots. Like, what made you want to make that the first record? Nine Shots wasn't really my first record. record. So like I, I said, I was lit in high school. So I bent had clout. I mean, I was, I was, I was always, I always just knew everybody. So I always was, like, known to me. And, and high school was just when I started really posting music. So I was with my son Drizzy, R.P. Driz, and I was with my son Eli. And we were just, like, remixing songs, like, in New York. Because I, when I meet, me and a lot of people, A lot of people don't really be on Facebook no more. It'd be like a Twitter thing. So I feel like New York just like got like a Facebook thing. Everybody in New York don't really be on Twitter like that on the regular.

Unless you like lit from your half business being on Twitter. So back then everybody was Facebook famous. I mean, so you were just doing like little freestyles on Facebook and it would get like views and stuff like that. And I just ended up dropping a song called Nautja. Right. I was doing music with some other people too, like before that. Who? A couple of bros

Bando I was rapping with Bando Me and Bando started doing music together like 2017 going into 2018 Right My son Naz So my name is Chacol

That's about it I was really just With those three people But I was with I was with Eli and Drizzi And Shikol first though So it was like that Okay

And so as soon as you just try dropping music did you start doing some numbers right away or how do you go about getting a fan base um nah so facebook i was going viral already well viral for me i wasn't doing like a million views or a million likes for me but i was doing like a little 15k likes for me like 50 000 views something like me in that range like 8k 4k 4k 5k lights and then when i started dropping on sound cloud when i dropped nine shots on sound cloud that actually went crazy i touched like 100 000 players I started taking music series from near and then

I started rapping with Bando Bando we dropped minor situations well I've been had songs but we wasn't like cool me and him had songs because of my son Nas then Bando Kondo was like buzzing he wasn't like buzzing crazy

like we wasn't doing like 100K 200K like everybody doing now you know like back then it was like when New York fake just started getting everything together so so um probably was like doing like 10 10k in two weeks or something.

Right. So that's big to us. New York getting it together in the sense of like drill records kind of having like a sort of built-in fan base, like the way it seems now, right? Yeah, because it's like 2013. 2013, I think that's when Bobby and him. Right.

Went crazy, brought everything back. And then, you know, everything started, you know, dined out a little bit. And, you know, like, Bambino. And then, you came back, put it back, like 2014, 2015. All right, you tell me if I'm tripping, though, because when we had conversations about New York drill,

I said, that Bobby Smarter wasn't like sonically a drill rapper, but that that still to me kind of was like, it initiated the drill era in a sense. Because even though his music wasn't really sounding like drill, everything else in terms of the video, in terms of the stuff that he was into at the time. Bobby and him wasn't drill rappers,

but you still got to get him their credit because they brought the spotlight back on New York regardless. So when people say that, I don't really be caring. Right. It makes sense. If it wasn't for them, like, you probably would never been, like, like, somebody else would have brought it back for me. Right. I'm talking about, like, for all the gangsters that's rapping and how he was rapping and what he was rapping about, the spotlight would have never been on that.

Who made you want to make drill style music? Chief Keith. Mm-hmm. I mean, that's the person who wrote it out for me. Right. So, like, 20, 20, he came out, like, Alabama Chief, like, 2011, I believe, 2011 or 12. Right, right, right when he first came out. and all that old stuff

before he started doing love so soon. So that was like when I really was starting to come outside he was having bros, fighting, Kane, so from the East, like... Right. He was getting beat up for BB belts.

All types of shit was going on in the East. So that's when Chief Keith was really coming out. I was bombing Chief Keith for years. So I've been switched my style from like regular rapping to like kind of drill like 2012. Right. You weren't tapped in on like a lot of the London shit, the England style rap that a lot.

I didn't really hear about... Those beats didn't really come into fashion until... I wasn't into play to like, probably like 2016, I think, like 2016, 2017 when it came into play. Right. Yeah, so, okay, you were getting it in in the streets, it would be fair to say? You had a lot of situations? Is that part of what made you want to come out as a rappers? You had stuff to comment on?

I always was rapping for me. Basically what I was saying, like, I always was rapping. So I just ended up taking it 100% serious after nine shots. Once I started seeing, like, I'm really getting views. Like, people really want me to drop music now. That's when I really took it serious. Before nine shots, I wasn't taking it serious. I was just rapping because I was always rapping.

Basically, you know all the lit kids, like, you see somebody in the hood with money. You'll tell them, like, you should start rapping. Like, you got to look already. Right. By the time I got tapped in with your music, it was like, don't start part one and two, right? Yeah.

With those? Part 1 came out 2019. Okay. I made part 1 in 2018 though. But was that like a huge moment in terms of your career getting bigger? With those massive records? Yeah. So I, so for everybody like on the outside looking in, don't start is like my biggest song

that got me lit. But before that, me and Bando was doing like little freestyles and remixes that was doing like 100K in a month, two months. So like that's really when the buzz started coming in more. And then just me dropping, don't start. make me more vital. Mm. And that song, like, Don't Start Part One is like very street oriented.

Like you're making it very, very clear who you fuck with and who you don't fuck with. Were you always on that or was that kind of like you going into that a little bit more? I was always on that. I was always on that specifically because I'd be knowing people. So like I know some people from this side. I know some people from that side. Or like my family crew with some people on that side. My family cool some people on that side.

I don't be trying to pick up nobody, nobody beef, I don't want no way of energy. I just, I was always on my own shit. Like, I mean, if you ever talk to anybody that always been around me or seen me in life, they're going to tell you, like, I always just been to myself. Like, I'd be around people, but even when I'm around people, I'll be chilling, quiet when just observing, looking, listening. So I'd be learning. That's how I'd be moving.

I'll move because I already seen it before. Like, I've been outside, I don't watch multiple people go through the same shit that was older me. So my older niggas, older niggas went through it. I saw that already. Then I watched my older niggas go through it. Saw that already. So I just always been on my own time. So from don't start, that basically was my, like, I, see me? Separation right there. Right. So you kind of laid it all out there a bit more? Yeah. Okay. Because I was seeing that you used to do a lot of records with a Siggy Black? Yeah. I did one song, but yeah. Oh, it was only one? Yeah, fact. But was that a relationship that kind of got burnt out by you having to choose

political affiliations? It wasn't really choosing sides, I would say. I'm also like sign else was going on. And me and me and him have no control over it. People don't get on interviews

and say shit like that. Me, I don't be caring. I don't care to say a nigga name or like. Me and him ain't have control over a situation and it just separated us. You know what? That's more so like what happened why we stopped doing music together.

But before that, I mean, we just, we did pop out, and that was that. Like, Sigi was just, like, my first feature from the towns, basically. Like, a lot of people would be trying to say he gave me cloud, all this other stuff. Like, that was just my first feature from the town. Like, he know how we end up doing music. Right. Yeah.

But I see this, like, exact thing end up happening with all the Bronx drill shit, too, where you'll have, like, a new artist and they're kind of just doing songs with different people, but then, like, you fast forward, like, a year, and it's like, oh, like, how could they have ever worked with this person when they, they, get along with this person and they don't fuck with this person. And it's like, you know, at first people are just coming in the game, just kind of doing music and just not. That's why they go back to me doing don't start.

Because I'm letting you know doing what I want. Don't, I'm not, I don't jack what y'all jack. I don't jack what I jack. And if I want to go over there, then go over there, I'm going to do that. Right. And if you're not jacking it, then I'm not, I'm still not picking the side. I'm still going to be in the middle. I'm just not going to fuck whoever not jacking it.

I don't care. It's music. That's how I look at it. Like, if we ain't locked in, getting money together, fucking bitches together, going outside together, I don't care for you. You know, honestly, like, that's basically what don't start is about. Right. Like, don't start, none of that. Fuckery y'all got going on.

So, but how's your life kind of changed once you put those records out and you start having, like, a way bigger audience paying attention to you? Like, do you have to start moving around differently? Um, nah, I move how I always move. Like, so it wasn't really, like, a big change. It's just, no, I definitely got more. smarter with how I was moving but I was always the way I'm moving now is I always move I don't really like attention and I don't care like people on my team be telling me like you got to post more you got to show people you outside I'd be looking at it like whoever was outside and

there and whoever ran into me and see me they know I was outside I don't got a post it for anybody like I'd be understanding it but I don't really care for like certain things right so you're the type of person you'll look at Instagram and you'll see a bunch of stuff about you you see photos you took with a fan earlier that day and you don't really want to, like, be reposting it necessarily? No, I'll repost it. Okay. I repost it, um, the people I run into, like,

if they want to take a picture and they tag, if I see it, I'm gonna repost it. Mm-hmm. I mean, if I'm still there and they tag me, I probably won't repost it. I probably repost it later, or if I forget, then I just want to post it at all. But, like, yeah.

Definitely. Yeah, so, okay. Once, like, that starts happening, I'm assuming that you had labels hauling at you and there's a lot more attention on you in general. Right. after don't start the labels the strong to get with me right and were you feeling it or how those conversations go um so i wasn't really feeling feeling labels at first but i had just came home like when

don't start drop i had just came home so because i i ended up getting locked up in like 2018 and how long were you locked up that time right like six months what was that over um i had got locked up for a temp but my charges dropped to us so um but it was It was my first case ever. So I ended up copping out. I copped out to a six-file split. So that's like six months and then five years? Damn, okay.

So, yeah, I got that. I was like 19, 20. I think I was 20 because I couldn't get a while. I don't really remember. Right. Yeah. Then I just came home. So I was going through probation and all that stuff.

and it was trying to get me to work, it was trying to get me to go to programs, and I was getting lit, and I'm trying to explain to them like, yo, I can't go certain places. I was going to court, and I was running into people, but I was running into people,

and I was running into people, people were noticing me like, oh, ain't you, what you call it? But you know what come with this shit, so after a while, I'm like, I'm about to disson, make that my job, get these people off my back, let them know, like, this is what I'm doing.

You know, drill wasn't what it is now to where, like, everybody, like, you know, drill, like, the way, getting the mayor and everybody acting in New York, they're looking at it like, oh, this is terrible, like, this is bad, we got to stop this before. It was just like, you know, it was music.

Like, we were still talking that talk, but the world wasn't taking it like that yet. So my probation people were looking at it, like, I hear real artists, like, with a real record label, that's what you're doing. So that's really what made me song, well, speed up the process that song. Right, yeah, because I mean,

if I was a new artist coming out these days, it's like there would be a part of me that would kind of be worried about signing with a label, but also it would be a almost bigger part of me that would be worried that if I don't sign with a label in this moment, that I might just kind of be missing out on opportunity or something. You got to trust the process.

Or like, like, Bando, Bando, Bando ain't, Bando ain't signed. Likiji Bando, I got his full name. He ain't signed. That's who I really got lit with. Like, drill, rapping, rapping, Lika J. Bando, I got a little bit. So he ain't signed. He trusts the process.

He's seeing his back. He's doing what he'd like to do. Right. So I already know, like, it's just about working as you get bigger. But like I said, I rushed my process because of what I was going through. Right. But so you did sign around that time? I signed, like, 2020.

I wasn't signed in 2019. Okay. And who'd you sign with? I signed with Atlantic Records. Okay. And how's that been? That's good. They treat me good over there.

I mean, a lot of people would be complaining about them, but I don't got no complaints right now. Do you feel like they understand what kind of artist you are? They get it They get it and they don't So it's like No I teach them what I could teach them And they teach me what they could teach me basically Yeah I mean

It just is kind of interesting If you're a drill artist I've heard about a lot of drill artists From the Bronx and stuff signing recently And it's like Sometimes it doesn't feel like the label Really switches stuff up for them that much Like they just kind of keep dropping

Keep dropping music videos The views maybe go up a little bit I feel like if you're an artist right now from New York and you lit, you might as well, just do your own thing. Right. Just get somebody on your team that can help you learn about Tune Corps or United Masters or all this stuff, digital kid. And you just figure it out, make all your money and then try to get like a distribution or a joint venture. Any, you know, what's your bread? Like, I don't know.

They're doing views right now. They're doing views. They all on TikTok. They're doing, like, the Bronx got their own. marketing going on and they don't even understand that because they're so young. So they sign in and they're signing and they're just signing because they're hearing a bread and the label not doing nothing for them really. Right.

The label know like, oh, these kids are going viral on their own. We don't even have to do, don't have to pay for academics or this, like probably some drill artists, but you know certain drill artists, they're like, they're not, for me, like certain people pay for that. Some of these artists don't have to pay for that because they're doing it. They're going viral on their own that it makes the pages want to post them for me. Right. So it's like, I feel like if you got it to where,

Everybody posting you just offer you and who you are and what you're doing. You don't even got a really song right now. Because there's very few scenes in America that you can look at where there's a lot of different artists who can do like half a million views, a million views, et cetera, and New York, and specifically the Bronx, but definitely some artists from Brooklyn and stuff too are in that category. And it is kind of crazy.

Like just because it's just, you see like new artists come out that nobody's ever fucking heard of that can do serious numbers. And sometimes you wonder if it's cap and if there's people buying plays and everything, but a good amount of it does seem legit. Certain people. There's definitely a lot of cap going on. Yeah.

But certain people getting them real views, got a real fan base. I mean, even the people with their cap, they fake stop cap, and they got their real. I mean, it worked for some of them, so I don't know. It's all over the place. I mean, style-wise, though, it is kind of interesting when you talk to some of the Bronx drill dudes because it's clear that they think of, like, Brooklyn drill

as almost, like, old-school drill. Or, like, it's different than what they're doing because a lot of their shit is so fast and kind of screaming and like super loud and aggressive and stuff and it's like you rewind the clock to like the shit that you and pop were putting out in 2018 or whatever is very different

like this style that they're doing is some other shit the styles is different but you know the swag the same though right it's like is it really different I don't know there's a lot of similarities but there's definitely some differences you know that shit is kind of punk rock out there the beat choices

yeah they don't they don't really do like UK type B. They got their own thing going on. I don't know. I don't hate on the Bronx. Me personally for me. But they know who helped them with that. But do you think when you think of Brooklyn drill,

you think about it being a little bit more like flashy, fly type of vibe? That's what Brooklyn is on. Yeah, that's always in Brooklyn, I guess, yeah. And whereas, like, a lot of the Bronx drill shit, it's like they're not really pretending to be having mad money and shit. They're just violent as fuck. Yeah, that's what they care about.

Is there anybody you listen to from up there That you actually think is dope? D thing You know the usual I don't really Me personally I don't really listen to drum music But you know the bros I ain't a lot of bros be going crazy

Because that's what's going to do in the town Like So the bros be bumping like a lot of D thing The regular is like K-flog So about it How do you feel about his situation? I don't know I feel baffable

I'm me my thoughts i feel like i feel like you're gonna be good though right they hold it down i feel like he's gonna be good yeah hopefully but i mean it's kind of wild because like i hate to see an artist come out and make mistakes early on in their career like you know even somebody like pooh-sheis he just kind of same thing he blew up right away he just didn't get a chance to like really change he just got caught up doing the same type of shit that he was doing before he was famous and didn't really even get a chance to be like oh this is how i have to move because the mistake he made was so serious.

I don't know about like, I can't really talk for a push-shy because I don't know how it is where you're from. Right. But in New York, all these young niggas that's rapping right now are getting money don't really got no older bros, no. They don't got nobody behind them. They're learning all this shit for the first time. Yeah, and if they do got older bros,

they're not really touching no money. Right. They ain't gonna be able to guide them. Like, how are you gonna tell an 18-year-old who just signed for like 50, 100 K? what to do. We're going to look at you like, nigga, I watch your old guys for me.

I don't dead more than your old dads. I don't even hear about stories from 30 years ago and care about them shit's no more for me. So niggas not going to listen and niggas just got to learn the all way. Is that how you felt? You feel like you didn't really have that many people around you

who were able to guide you? Nah, I feel like I got people around me that could guide me and that's why I'm still me. I'm doing good. Yeah, definitely. So you just got out, what, like six months ago? You went and had to do another little bid?

I just got out like six months ago. What was that about? I was in Jersey. Some bullshit warrants was going on. A lot of bulls. Just a bullshit case in general. Uh-huh. Where I had to go through there.

I ran in the crib. It was like five people in the crib. Well, probably, I don't really remember the number. But they found, like, two pounds of weed. And they just took me in. They only took me, though. Like, I don't know. They were just watching me.

I don't know what was going on, to be honest. Having two pounds of weed in Jersey is a big deal, I guess? It ain't none. I'm not really. They were trying to make it seem like I was a distributor. There's probably two pounds of weed in here right now. It's not supposed to be a problem. I don't know.

And they made it seem like they found the gun with me and the creed. Like, it was a whole bunch of, you know how they make it seem on the internet when somebody get locked up. But it wasn't everything that was going on. It wasn't how I went on. Right. Damn, man. It's like, it's so easy to forget from everywhere else in the country about how serious the gun shit is in New York.

Yeah. And the craziest shit, I see in recent memory was just a little TJ getting two gun charges in like a week. Yeah. Back to back. I saw that too. That's like unheard of, I guess, or normally. Nah, niggas, you can't court with some gun charges in New York four or five.

But that's, that, that just draws attention to the reality of the situation is that motherfuckers don't feel safe without it. And clearly you ain't safe with it, dude. That's a little bit old in the hood, though. It's just, you know, niggas is just famous now, so it's just more broadcasted. But I'm regular though. It's so obvious they're targeting them, though. I mean, like you said, two gun charges back to back.

Of course, they don't want to watch you. It's so out of the ordinary to even get searched two times in a week, you know? Like for him to get searched and for them to find it that, I mean. It gets to be posting a lot. Niggas be doing a lot. We're being locked up. So we're watching you now. You keep getting locked up with guns.

Now we're trying to figure out, you know how it goes. Like they harassing us. But the crazy part is that this is like their revenge on him for getting shot. Like, oh, you want to go, you want to get shot? Okay, we're going to search you all the fucking time and we're going to find out about anything you might have on you. Cops me on some fucked up shit. Yeah, that's crazy.

Okay, but so what, okay, so that most reason is charged, how long do you have to be in there for? Um, I think I was in there for eight months. Okay. I was in there for eight months. I had, um, because I was still on probation for New York.

So, when I finished up in Jersey, I had copped out to the marijuana charge because clearly that's what I was caught with. So I caught out to the marijuana charge and basically did a county bid, and in New Jersey half of the county the county bill is 364 but you could get one 80 once you do 180 days you could get off so well if you got a good lawyer I mean I had a good lawyer um

so you were locked up in Jersey yeah I was locked up in New Jersey and how different was that than being locked up in New York um I don't really know nobody in Jersey so it's like I'm in a whole other world I'm just moving around figuring it out running I was running into some people that's from New York um I feel like being locked up in New York in New York City like Like the gang shit has got to be like number one conversation you're having. Is it, is it? Yeah, New York. New York ain't nothing to play with it.

Is it like that in Jersey too? People in Jersey, they, yeah, because that's their city. Right. So they running into people that they got beef with with their problems with. They being niggas up. But it wasn't really like a lot of cuttings going on in New York. It's treacherous. But the sad part is I felt more comfortable in New York than Jersey,

but that's because I felt like I was home when I was in New York. Right. So Jersey was grimy as fucking its own way? Yeah, Jersey, like, yeah, niggas come in a crib and they, They got a problem. They go right in the cell. They fight, get it on, packing a guy out. I don't know.

Jersey was calm, though. But, like, I wasn't in, like, I wasn't in no, I wasn't in, like, an Essex County, Hudson County. So I ain't really see nothing crazy. I was in Bergen County, like, Bergen County, not really nothing serious. But they had shut down for State County and sent everybody basically from Patterson, New Jersey to Bergen County. So that's when the drama really was pulling up.

Like, whoever got beat from over there, they was pulling up, and fighting niggas and doing what they do. I was 30 though. I was chilling. Everybody was just staying out of it. You're like, I'm from Brooklyn. This has nothing to do with me. I was like the baby. I was getting whatever I wanted in there. Really? Yeah. Why? Just because I was the fuck with the music and everything? I was the youngest in there. I was the youngest in there. I don't move like no bozo. So I was doing what I want. I was on a phone, tablet. And everybody tapped in music-wise? Yeah. If they wasn't, they got to. They were once you were in there for a little bit. Yeah. I was in there for a little minute. Right. And so, I mean, was it tough for you though? Because you used to nice shit at this point. You used to, you used to having like a good amount of money nice lifestyle on the outside it must have been tough i was still good the only thing that that i was like i wasn't getting no haircuts

i wasn't getting no shape-ups no haircuts no nothing that's how i started growing my head i'm like i ain't cutting my hair while i'm in there like i wasn't trying to get used to staying in there like even though i'm hearing everything i was hearing i'm looking at like no i'm going so how often can you get a haircut in there in jersey oh either one ever you want oh okay so you can you can Yeah, just go right to the CO, tell him you need a little razor, have one of your men shape you up, or you shape yourself up if you want. It's like barbers in the compound, because you can't really move around. Like Jersey, like, the only way you're leaving wherever you at is like,

you're going to court, we're going to medical. Like, when I was going on visits, visits is where we're at. So, like, all I do is walk up the stairs, walk up to the second tier, and go right in the little booth to the visit, Gly's phone. It is kind of crazy because that is kind of the only time that you get to see photos of rappers with their hair fucked up is when they're locked up. Yeah.

You get to see them with a little bit of that. I was good. I had a couple bunkeys. He was good. He didn't good. I was chilling. I just couldn't be fluff. Right.

I feel bad for the rappers. You have to get their haircut every week. I'm going to be real with you. Although I'm on like every two weeks. So I guess about that different. I don't even get a shape up. I don't be, I don't be caring about that shit.

You don't care? I move around. If I probably got an interview, I go get it. If I'm about to do a show. I get cleaned up. And I'd be chilling. There's a lot of pressure.

To me, it feels a little bit like hiding the true nature of how beautiful a black person's hair is to keep it super short all the time. It's like, just let it show. I miss the afro. I'm going to be real with you. I'm going to my hair right now.

Okay. The afro was great. That's probably a lot of work, too, though. When you got an afro, you got to get a little tape up shape up every once a week. Yeah, because to keep it all like the same exact length, that must take fucking a lot of work. Right, doing that.

I'm breeding my shit up. Right. I seen a dad on the playground when I was taking my kid to park the other day, and it was pretty clear to me that his kids, like, he had never cut their hair. Like, their hair was like this fucking long. And it was just like, wow, this dude's dedicated. I wonder if he's just going to have him like that for their whole lives. He said a dres when I was little, too.

Really? Really? Yeah, I cut my address when I went to high school. Like two days before the first day high school, I cut my address. Were your parents disappointed? Yeah, my mom was tight. Really? I cut it without knowing.

Damn, that's gotta be tough for our parent. You want them to buy in on your religion so bad, and then they're just like, no, I'm trying to get fresh. That was it. I don't know, you know, I was young. I was, it's a lot going on for me. Parents don't understand it sometimes. But I get it though. I ain't gonna lie now that I'm older.

Now that I'm older, I think I think fuck with it. So it's like, I don't know. I like how I was raised, honestly. Right. I mean, to raise a kid in New York has got to be the scariest fucking thing in the world. Just knowing everything that's out there. And that's why everybody I mean from New York, the girls grow up like super fucking tough because they're just getting hollowed out on the streets so much that they just end up with this personality where they really are not trying to let you fuck with them.

And like when girls grow up in the suburbs or whatever, their attitude is different. because they just haven't had this much abuse thrown at them on the street and shit over the years. I don't want to make it all about cat calling, but like, you know what I'm saying? Like, girls who grow up in New York, they got to grow up tough. And same thing, if you're a dude in New York, like, almost everybody, like, you've got to fight or you've got to, like, be tough enough to avoid fighting. Like, you've got to just, it's not like other places. It's crazy because I don't even hear a lot of people talk about New York like that.

If you would be talking about New York, they'd be like a walk in a park. Hell no. I live in New York for seven years, and it's a lot. It's just, it's so, it's so much more hardcore than like most places that you could grow up. When he was out in New York, though, he was like in the city, downtown. I was in Astoria for like two, three years. And then I was in Bushwick for like four years. Yeah, but those still good parts, though.

I mean. But this is back in like 2004. So it was like, like, I saw Bushwick getting gentified and was very confused. I didn't know the word gentrified yet at that point. And I was like, why the fuck is there like more organic delis popping up every fucking month? But yeah. I don't know. It's just like I just seen it like everybody I knew out there. It's just they grow up like with a different sense of like having to protect what you got going on, you know? Because everybody's looking to take your shit up there. Yeah, definitely. One way or another. Okay. So are you in a different place in your life? Because when I'm listening to like your more current music, it kind of feels like you are not as excited about necessarily putting out all this crazy violent energy that you might have been putting out early on.

You feel like I was paying all violent shit early on? Well, I guess you could put it that way. I don't know. I feel like I was talking crazy. I don't feel like I was talking violent, like how to be wilding right now. Okay, maybe not compared to some of the shit these days. But like a lot of the stuff I liked from you in like 2019

was like stuff that when I listen to it now compared to your current shit, I'm like, oh, he was wilding back then. Nah, I guess I don't know. You know, life would be changing. Like back then I was like, I was more hands on, everything. Right now, like, I'm chilling. Gain money. Figuring out life.

actually paying bills and really like the time's changing so much going on with music right now I'm just looking for something else to talk about I don't really want to talk about the same shit I was talking about before

before it was like that's what I was around that's what I was talking about now I'm just around more different shit I'm in Cali you know how Cali is

yeah in Miami in Atlanta so you know so you're not spending as much time in New York now not be in New York I be in New York a lot

I'm just saying I'd be moving around even when I'm in New York moving around and just my mommy on some whole other shit like when I do music my music on what I'm on for me right

did did losing pop smoke kind of change the way that you thought about how you wanted your life to play out I'm sure you lost plenty of other people too but I'm sure that that seeing him just blow the fuck up and then have it taken from him so quickly

I mean that must have made made you sort of think twice about what this rap stardom shit was all about, right? Not really. Not really. I looked at it like, it's crazy because, like, I woke up on my asleep. Like,

like, damn, what the fuck? Because, like, I think, like, right before that he just got locked up. But he ended up coming home,

like, in a couple hours ago. Right. And then, like, a month later, he just died. I'm like,

damn. Like, this n n-ish shit was, like, a roller coaster. So, like, that's the person who made me like jewelry,

though. I ain't really care about jewelry. Like, I used to look at jewelry, like, from Cam Ron and all the other rappers from New York. But, like, he really made me like jewelry. Like, even when I was about this on and get bread, I used to tell big girl, like, not pop to him. I was on my watch on something. I used to tell him, like, I don't really want to chain.

Like, probably just do it. Now, I used to tell him, like, I don't really want to watch. I probably just do, like, a little Cuban chill out. I wasn't really heavy on it. Every time I'm seeing Pop, me in different type of Cubans, you know, you got a little wool pieces on. I'm not some backing out the AP. You know, enjoying his shit. like, and I'm seeing it, like, right in my face.

So he made me want to live the life even more. Right. Damn, but so how'd you feel, though, when you found out? Found out it's tight. One, he used to call me almost every other day when we got cool. So he used to just call me probably being a rave. I got some bread. No, just motivation, like, oh, I'm still in the hood and I'm getting lit.

I'm doing my little million views. But, like, you know, he got the hit. He's the one that's out of here right now So he just called me like Motivant he went on his little UK tour He called me every day Showing me around Because that was that one clip of him

Shouting you out on some UK radio show You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, how yeah That was out there right? I forgot which one it was Yeah but that was like oh damn So he really fucked with you Like he didn't

Like most rappers if you're like Oh like who else do you fuck with From your city They're not trying to talk about anybody Besides themselves But he was showing real love right there No, yeah, like he was. That's,

I was my son. I ain't gonna lie. I was fucking my father. I was tight when he died. We had a lot playing, too. So, like, before I signed to Atlantic, Pop was just trying to saw me.

A lot of people don't know that. I don't even think I even sat down an interview before. Really? Yeah, Pop was trying to sign me. So we just going through a lot. So, like, that's why I was 30 remix. Like, the 30 remixes, I was happy that I was able to get that out.

Because we'd been recorded that song. Like, Pop picked a beat on that song. Pop was doing some. like this beat right here sound more like club vibe like I was wearing when he made his verse everything like that night was just different like me like so it's like I don't know you had a lot we had a lot playing and then when he died I just had to had to pick myself up like I since I can't go this row I got to this rock you know I had to pick his shit out right so that song he had hopped on the remix to that song but then it ended up getting put on his

posthumous project after the fact yeah because when we made the song, I already had the original out. So everybody already knew the original. Like 30 was already my biggest song by myself. So he was been posted to do the remix, but then he ended up dying, you know, people who got control over his music and his verses. I guess they forgot about the verse he did for me.

So they never was able to grab. You know how they was taking verses from certain people in New York or like his old verses and putting it on other songs for his first album? Right. day to day wasn't able to snatch my verse because i guess he had so much song they probably didn't see it i end up doing the show and i performed it um like end in the 2020 and it just went viral so everybody like that know about our song together and know like oh they started remembering

like yeah we got to put this on a new album so that's how i went about definitely and uh but did that like take that song to a whole different level just because his albums get streamed so fucking much it basically i dropped 30 in 2019 oh yeah so gave it a whole new life yeah basically so i dropped 30 2019 just the audio though no video and i dropped the video the beginning of 2020 before he passed so he watched he watched it do like a million views i did it like a million views in the day on world though so he watched all that and then not but he already gave me the verse though but i just show him like I end up dropping the original and shit. And then basically he dropped that album like July, 2021.

So from 2019 and 2021, it just brought it back. Damn. Yeah, rest and peace. Yeah, I only got a chance to meet him once. It was at Rolling Loud. It was like a couple months before he passed, I think. Yeah, it was terrible. But, okay, so where are you at in terms of what you feel like you need to do for your career

at this point in order to take it to the next? level like where's your focus at just trying to find a way to elevate my sound just work more drop more right back to how i came out like when i came out was consistent i was probably dropping like every 21 days once a month probably do a feature in between that so i was just making sure i was being heard all the time so right now i'm just about to get right back in that same mode probably do probably do way more tapes than before you feel like just a lot of things doing those doing those bids that kind of fucked up your momentum because it's like keeps you from dropping consistently basically like when I was locked up just now I was supposed to keep flooding but my mind wasn't

on no I don't know it's not the same when you're in jail like you don't get the fill of energy so I dropped one song when I was in jail and I ain't really get to fill of energy I ain't like that I'm calling I'm trying to see how much views I did and he's like yeah you just did like 10k I'm like, I would have done more if I was home. So it was like, well, I did more than 10K, clearly, but I'm talking about, like, for the first couple hours. Yeah. I would get more if I was home.

Like, I ain't really want to post. Like, I wasn't there to enjoy it, so I ain't really care about it. My mom would just focus on, like, I should be home my next court date. So don't even drop nothing because I don't want to drop and then I come home. And it's like, oh, this nigga. I ain't want to start a whole free, busy movement. I ain't want to do so much just because I wasn't there to enjoy it. I ain't really care for it.

So I feel like that. like that's what fuck the momentum up because like they stop hearing me then when I come back it's like 30 new niggas that's actually lit it's not like just 30 new rapids like 30 new niggas that actually lit and actually got a million different things going on with them so yeah it must feel wild in New York just trying to stay current and on top of shit especially when you're locked up then it's just like the biggest fucking handicap the shit is just moving so fast especially when I'm away I don't know who I'm competing with I don't know who the new competition is I don't know what the new way Like, I came home, niggas doing Jersey beats.

Nicks not even doing UK beach no more. So it's like, like, what the fuck? Like, now I got to find a way to, like, you know, make my way into shit. Definitely. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, but the pace of hip-hop is just, we never really seen anything like it, I guess. Constant advancing, yeah. All right, so what should people look out for?

What you got coming that we need to know about? I'm working on my mix tape right now. That should be coming soon. Probably, like, I like dropping. when it's hot outside. I feel like that's my type of weather. So probably like around June, like beginning of July,

beginning of June. I'm working on the, I'm working on the, I don't even know if I'm supposed to say it. I'm gonna say it anyway. I'm working on the tape with my son Shawnee Bandit. Oh, right?

Yeah. We got him coming in a couple days. Oh, right? Yeah, I was just on the phone with that, I was just on the phone with that, I think. But yeah, yeah, I'm supposed to be working on the tape. I got a mix tape coming. I'm about to just flood,

like, like, I just do me. fire looking forward to it for sure busy banks turn them up on all platforms no jumber coolest podcast normal check us on YouTube

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