No Jumper - Blimes & Gab on How a Fist Fight Brought Them Together, Boning Fans, Going Viral & More

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

Lush brings Blimes Brixton and GAB, accompanied by Gina, for an hilarious interview, where the girls talk about how they met, started their group, gearing up to go on tour with Atmosphere and much more!  --- 00:00 Intro 0:45 Lush recalls how long he’s known Blimes, says she was lit out the gate 5:33 GAB gives her side of the story on how they got together, some girl hit their car, Blimes chased her down 13:20 BAG ends up __ the girl up after she got Blimes in the head 14:36 Obviously it brought them closer but still no hint at becoming a possible group 15:30 Blimes came back to Seattle and linked for a couple hours, and recorded the song "Come Correct", shot the video few weeks later, held on to it for a few and dropped it randomly 17:23 The video did 8M view in 2 days on FB 18:10 When the viral video dropped, they instantly became a group 21:07 Keeping a side hustle even when you go viral  23:39 As an artist, you might not make money at first, you have to be business savvy and have a fire personality  25:45 Music open doors but ultimately, Gab might not rap forever  30:10 2019, the girls were on their way up, signed a deal with Sony, playing at festivals, then covid hit, stopped everything, now Blimes is babysitting  32:23 “Tiktok killed the streets” either you Tiktok or you're out  34:35 The demand from labels were overwhelming  40:16 The pandemic really messed it up for the girls, dropped an album right before lockdown, tour canceled, it affected everything  41:55 Humble and genuine relationship with Method Man 45:55 The many times the girls almost quit 49:03 Sharing about the downside of their journey as well to their fans, it's also important, always remembering why they do music when fans say it saved their lives 57:50 Both girls __ a fan before, GAB ended up __ the dude up  1:01:08 Blimes brought a couple girls back to the hotel on the last tour, one of them turned into a full blown relationship  1:02:39 Some of GAB family members were in the street game 1:06:24 How their cities, San Fransisco and Seattle got gentrified and how it affected their creativity and lives 1:10:30 Currently on tour with Atmosphere --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sitting too damn pretty. If you gang with me, I'm a gang with you. In the building with my aunties slash sisters. Come on, come on. You play partner, lush Uno. Got Gina views with me today. I must be doing something right. Oh, shit, we live?

We live. Right. Did I get a promotion or something? I'm rocking with Gina. It's crazy. And, of course, our esteemed, illustrious guests, Blymes and Gab. Hello.

What's at? What's at? It's your favorite rapper's favorite rappers. I know that's right. Welcome, ladies. Thank you. Nice to meet you on Blym's. Nice to meet you guys too.

Got Blimes, Brixton, and Gifted Gab. Gab. And I've known this young lady for many, many, many moons now. Oh, yes. When I first became aware of Blimes, when she went by O Blimey. and um like there's some shit out there a lot but i mean nothing i wouldn't be proud of personally like you you were

the first time i saw you i was uh you know i was running a battle league called grind time and there was battles like a small little battle league in santa cruz was doing the homie illusion z was putting together and uh one of the i just was clicking on the links i was like oh this is trash this is trash and um I came across you and I was like, damn, like this, this young character has got something going on. Thank you. And then, you know, Saw was fortunate enough to get you on some of your early stages as an artist. And you were some amazing out the gate.

Something about blimes that I can't state enough is that you really have a crazy effect on women when you're looking at me. I was not expecting that. That was not the first thing I expected out of your mouth, but I appreciate it. Nah, like, I always say, like, you know, when whatever woman I'm with is smart enough to break up with me. If I'm single, I want that to be my wingman right there. She'd be like, they love her. And it was crazy because the thing that I noticed first was you were performing, you were doing an archipela. And, like, you had a very punchline heavy stuff.

I think both of y'all have a lot of punchlines, like technically sound MCs, you know what I mean? But you were, you had all these bars, and it was like saying really, like, aggressive, sexual things about women. And it was like, if that was me, I'd get the shit slapped out of me. If not, there would be, like, crickets in the room. Right.

But she'd be like, I get more pearl than your grandma's necklace. Y'all, you remember that bar. Holy shit. I didn't even remember that bar. That's crazy. And then, like, a bunch of chicks. Like, whoa. I was like, okay.

Like, I want two hits or whatever she's smoking. Thank you, bro. I grew up on like Weezy and Mac Dre. It was like punchlines, witty, funny, silly, out of pocket shit. Just saying the most outrageous stuff, like entertain the shit out of me. So hearing those things, of course, that's what I'm going to emulate when I'm writing bars. It's like what I grew up listening to and what I loved and looked up to, you know. How did you two become a group?

Can we go like all the way back to the beginning? Absolutely. Absolutely. I saw Gab spitting on a video with Gavlin. Shout out to Gavlin. I know she's been shouted out this week, last week. Shouts out Gab. Y'all got to get Gab on.

Oh yeah, no, that's Amanda. Yeah, I saw Gab. Whenever you're ready, baby girl. Come on. Yeah, what up. Gab and Gavlin linked up. And the video fell across my, like, 2016 Facebook timeline. And I was like, oh, shit.

Her style is tight. Her voice is tight. her bars are hitting. Like, I just, I think I was really, it was an era where like what you heard on the radio from women was really high pitched and like really, really extra feminine and extra sexual. And what I loved about when I heard Gab Rap was that she was gritty.

And that lower toned voice was so fucking sexy. And, you know, pause. That's my fucking sister. But like, I was just very, I was just very, I was just very attractive. I was just very attractive. I was like, she's amazing. So eventually when I ended up visiting Seattle, you swiped right on Tinder.

Right, right. I clicked like on Facebook and I most likely probably hit her with a friend request. And that's something that we'd never established is who friend requested who. How many years ago, though? I was 2016, I believe. So it wasn't even that long ago, but it feels like a lifetime ago. And then I went out to Seattle. on a trip as a PA for a documentary

and I was there for two days and we got into some fucking trouble but I'll let Gab pick up there but everywhere we went in Seattle Gab was known. She got the keys. She has the keys of the city. She's the mayor of motherfucking Seattle.

Everywhere we went, it was like Gabby, Gabby, you want a coffee, you want a shirt, come pick a jersey like. She was like passing me clothes from these shops, you know? People fucking love Gabby. She's giving. Gap, she is revered in Seattle.

You want to pick up there? I'll tell the abridge version. All right. You ain't got to. I mean, we've told this story mad times, and I feel like we put like sauce on it, like a little bit of sauce on it every time. Don't know a razzle d'ass on it.

We need it. It's a good story. We want the deep, deep background, the root of the group. True, true. And I think this. This was a foundation built that couldn't be broken. Don't hold back anything. Pretty much.

Y'all on the coolest podcast of the world. That's a fact. God dear. It started off. I mean, like I said, she came to Seattle. We was, I literally, she was just running errands with me. Like, it was awesome. Like, we didn't plan to link up.

She was like, yo, I'm in Seattle. Let's kick it. And I'm like, we can kick it. But like, I got shit to do today. Yeah. I'm checking my traps. No, literally. Like, she was really like, there's no reason she needed to really.

be with me running these areas, but like, fuck it, we're here. We're in the housing department. Literally. I could go to the DHS office, you know what I'm saying? I had to check a couple things. Anyway, so the night progresses. We at this one spot that's no longer there anymore called 95 Slide and used to be like the black and Asian club.

So we'd go there. I think it was a 40, I think it was the 40 ounce bounce. Yep. We ran into Russell outside. And I was like, you know, Russell? That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, long story short, you know when niggas and Asians get together, it's just always a thing.

And that's a big thing in Seattle too. And I think a lot of people don't realize, like, not to cut you off, because I want to hear the story. But something I love about Seattle culture is it's such an interesting juxtaposition of cultures that you'll see nowhere else in the world. Right. Bro, hell. It's very multicultural. Very multicultural and certain cultures that only, like, only, because obviously you got to, there's a, there's a, a lot of natives up there, you feel

me? And then like... Natives, a huge African, a lot of Africans, like Somali and Eretrians. A lot of Africans, and then a lot of Pacific Islanders. So you've got a bunch of Samoans, Tonkins, you know, all that, Filipino. And that shit made me feel at home

because that's what it's like in the back. Right, San Francisco. Yeah. Very similar vibes. For real. So you have the Black and Asian club. Right. The Blasian Club. Right.

Hell yeah. So as always, you know what I'm saying? Personally, I'm not a fan of clubs. I'm a fan of let out, so I like to go to the letout. Parking lot pimping. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You see some good fights, you know what I'm saying? You get to see the home.

Like, I'm not really into all the other shit. Parking lot pimping is the best part of the function of it. Period. It's the function. I go to the last hour of a function just to make it for parking lot pimping. Right. And I'm outside the whole hour I'm there. You feel me?

Like, I'm not even inside at all. And you can actually hear people talking. Yeah. Right. You can have a conversation. You hear the music outside. I can smoke. Like, there's really no one to be.

Right. You got your own drink. You're good. So anyway, per yuge, club less out. I'm talking like in 95 slide fashion, that was the big ass brawl. But like, it was like special because like blinds is there. So it's like this is how it be, but it's like extra now. You know what I'm saying? So it was like like no bullshit. There was like 30 people fighting in this like four-way intersection.

You know what I'm saying? the rain started coming down. Like, it was real beautiful. Like, it was actually hell of beautiful. You hear McElmore yell, stop fighting. And I'm not even gas in. That was real. Fighting the rain is wild.

People were slipping. The punches have to hurt 10 times more. But it's Seattle rain. So it's like a nice drizzle. Like it's not like coming down like you're doing. Like it's a mist. It was enough for people to slip around on those crosswalks though. No, it was brutal.

Anyway, so we, you know what I'm saying? We're all caught up in the, um, the hype for the fight. Yeah, it's exciting. So we go to get up out of there to go to like another function, hop in my cousin's car. We go to get out of there and like this couple hops into the middle of the street kicks my cousin's car. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like we're turning the corner and they felt cut off even though we had the ride away.

Literally. And this bitch is on her boyfriend's piggyback. This drunk white bitch is on her boyfriend's piggyback and she kicks the car. Kicks the car. But before I can even like register what happened, I'm thinking like everybody had the same thought like, did this bitch just kick the car? And then I like turned to like basically say the same thing. The blind's like, did this bitch just kick the car?

She already out the car, like taking off down the street. So like I hop out the car and take off after her. And so you can tell this fight now because this is your fight. The mini bottles are falling out of my pockets. I'm like, there's fine ass brawls in the car. Like Gabby's friends are hot. I'm just meeting Gab for the first time. I'm showing the fuck out.

Like I am really thinking I'm somebody. Yeah. So I chase her down. And out of all things, I fucking just slap her. She's on her boyfriend's piggyback, and I just fucking slap her. Amazing. This is incredible. I slap her.

If you're out there, I probably owe you an amends. For real. No, fuck her. She gets for it, though, right? She really. Sounds like you owe her some royalties damn near. She was on some. I'm honestly surprised.

We've told this story hell of times a hell of interviews. Right. If she would have seen it, she would have said something. Right. She's humiliated. Nobody, none of her friends sent it to her. You probably slapped her so hard that she didn't even realize what you look like or doesn't remember. Well, that wasn't even the worst part.

Oh, there's more. Yeah, there's more. She thought Gabby slapped her. No, I got, so go ahead. I got you. I got you. So she's like on some entitlement shit. And I'm like, first of all, you're in Capitol Hill.

It's all queer people or people of color. That's it. And you're a straight woman getting out of the club on your boyfriend's shoulders. Like, and you're kicking somebody's car. Like, that shit sets me off. I don't fight just off some pride shit, but like, like just off some like, I mean, kicking somebody's car is crazy. Right. Why are you, you know, there was a car full of niggins.

So anyways. I've never seen you turn up in my life. Yeah. Like, like, I was, I was heated. I was heated. Were you guys under the influence? Oh, yeah. I was heavy with the drink.

Gabby smokes enough for both of us. I drank enough for both of us, you know. Those were the old days. I don't, I don't drink anymore, but man, it was wild. Anyways. So, yeah, like, I even had the mini bottles in my pockets. I'm like running down the street to find her. I slap her.

She's on her boyfriend's piggyback. She jumps down and I'm pretty faded. And I look up and I'm like, fuck, she's hella taller than I thought. And she was tall as shit. And we start fighting, right? What's the boyfriend doing? I don't remember. Couldn't tell you.

But why was her big ass on his back? Right. So we, well, he was big too. So we start fighting. They were just big. Just big. We started fighting. And eventually she gets me by my, I had a bun at the time, that real gay.

bun with the sides shaved off. The man bun. Yes, exactly. The lesbian bun. I prefer to call the E-Honda. We all got different names for it. It was the E-Honda. So y'all get it cracking.

Y'all squabbily. Right, right. She finally gets me by this and she's kneeing me in the face and I'm like, fuck, I got God. Thank God my new friend isn't here to see this. And then I look up and I see Gab and she has this look on her face like, tap me in. Tap me in.

So at that point, we weren't going to jump the girl. Like, there was no reason to jump. You know what I'm saying? I was really just follow blinds out the car because I'm like, she really chases a bitch down the street and like I feel responsible. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that.

So they're fighting, but like it was the bun to the knee that's like, oh, okay. So that's what we're doing. Yeah, the dome. Yeah, she got me in the head. So Blah literally tags me in. I'm working this bitch. Like to the bag. She tagged you?

Yes. So I go. In here. Now I'm going in. At one point, at one point I slammed this. girl onto the car and I'm like socking her up on the car I look in the car and there's like people in the car like they were like

trying to drive away but I'm like using their car as a weapon I'm like slinging our car I think I like broke off the mirror yeah the mirror off the shit yeah how do you explain that to your insurance right a fight occurred on this was somebody's body acts of God I don't know you need that

hyphy insurance you've got anyway I'm like you know I'm soaking her up and shit and I guess finally like the boyfriend decides he wants to do something because I guess he sees his bitch getting beat up so bad. But a crowd had formed around us at this point because the club just got out. Right. And this dude goes to throw a punch at Gabby and somebody literally from the crowd goes, not Gabby, bink and Knox dude, Knox boyfriend. Like, I don't know if he got knocked

out. We kept fighting the girl. So I don't know what happened to him. I mean, there was a point that I like did some move that I don't even know what I did. Like I, you know what I'm saying? You threw a had a brother. No, it was like. I'm like, I don't even know. Like, I dropped her and I was like, we should go. Yeah. So, like, we took off running and like we just, you know what I'm saying, called my cousin and we, you know what I'm saying?

We like slap five and then we went to go eat some tacos. And I was like. So your first meet up. That was the first time we ever met in our lives. You guys run errands. You go to a function. You park a lot pimp. You get into a brawl.

Yep. You go eat tacos. At what point did you guys decide we're going to be a group? We did not. Yeah, we didn't. For years. God already decided. It's preordained at this point.

I mean, at that point, I'm just like, when you squab with someone the first time you ever meet them? Like, this is family. Like, we might as well, like, slit our hands. Right. They became brothers. Yeah. So, like. I would have left you alone.

You got too much going on for me, sis. That's hilarious. No, so we like, we just. There was a trust for him. Right in that moment. You know what I'm saying? Like, we just, we just kept it cool. We really didn't even talk about, like, like,

music or none of that shit. Like, we just kept, you know. Checked in on each other. Yeah, but then as the time went, she came to Seattle. I mean, I guess you could tell this part of the story. Yeah, I just came back to Seattle working on another documentary. And I was in town for one night, and I had a two-hour studio session.

And I was like, shit, I got a studio for two hours. Gabby, want to roll through. She was on tour, stopping at home for one night. She had a flight out at like two in the morning. Randomly was there. Yeah, she was like, I can come. but at midnight, I got to go because I got a flight. I was like, shit, all right.

My car's been to turn into a pumpkin. Right, right. And we freestyled this song called Come Correct. She played me some beats, and she played me this beat by Mike Moe out of Portland. And that beat was just like such classic boom-bap with the smoothest piano on it. And I was like, yeah, that's that's the one. We essentially freestyle like six bars, six bars, six bars, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four. The whole thing, no hook.

We were just like, let's just get it done. and like, let's just do something. Slept on that shit for hell long. We knew it was tight, but we just didn't do anything with it. We didn't. We didn't pull wheels on it. We didn't grow legs on it. Like, we just had it in the email, send it to a few friends who were like, that shit's hard, but we didn't do shit.

And in the same way that that session came together organically, the next time I stopped in town, I was like, you want to just shoot a video for that. And she was like, yeah, I got a few hours. And the videographer, I was like, you got a video. I only have a few hours for anything. Right. That's how you get at me. videographer was like, yeah, I got y'all. This song is tight.

I got y'all for the low. Like, let's just get it done. Shot it in a couple hours in the parking lot at Red Apple. Right, RIP Promenade, you know what I'm saying? Real Seattle niggas now. Yeah. Two places that are no longer existence that we have kept alive through through folklore of Blimes and Gab.

So shot the video also held on that. And randomly we're finally like, all right, let's just drop it. We don't have anything else going on. There's nothing to promote. We don't have, neither of us have albums coming out. Let's just drop the video. We dropped it on Friday night at like 8 p.m.,

which at the time was like marketing suicide, but we just didn't know any better. And by Sunday, checking back, it had 8 million views. On Facebook. On Facebook. Yeah. Somebody had dragged it off YouTube

and posted it on Facebook with the caption, These girls are keeping hip hop a lot. Yep. I remember that. That is fire. De La Sol followed us. Rod Diga followed us.

Bahamadiyah followed us. The list goes on. I can't remember. Maybe you can. All of them. All of them. All of them. Yeah.

And I was like, thank God. People still appreciate bars. Where are you guys at at this point in your life where you wake up and you see all these celebrities, legendary people following you and you guys are going viral? Like, where are you working at? What part of your life are you at in that moment? So let me preface it by saying that Blimes and I, like us being this duo which really came from the internet. Like when we dropped the video, everybody was like,

so y'all a group now, right? Right. And we're just like, for sure. Like, we're in two different cities. It made, you know what I'm saying? Like, we would have been stupid not to, you know, strike while that iron was hot. But like, I'm, this is my 11th year in the game. You know what, 12, 13? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I have, we had a whole career before we ever met each other. Like this shit is like the newest thing that we've done really. like in our musical careers. Yeah. Was that your first viral moment?

Yeah. Absolutely. For sure. For sure. To that degree, because y'all were already both individually like going up. Like, you know, like I know you for sure had like a few videos that were deep in the 100,000s and shit. Like, and pretty sure you did as well.

Yeah. Facts. But like that type of viral, like I'm talking that morning I had to like delete Twitter off of my phone and read like. like downloaded because I couldn't like it just shut down you know what I'm saying like your phone was hot literally it was OG viral it was like viral before viral was before you could pay to go viral yeah accomplishable right even to the point where when I know somebody that I fuck with is popping off random people will hit me up that have nothing to do with like the industry and they'll be like you'll have you seen the I was like what that's my young overall right there like that that was a

my thought. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That was a moment right there. I was like, damn, like everyone is like, so I was like, I was super proud. I was like, shorty that she fucking would go crazy too. Right. Thanks. That was a great question though, like to put it in perspective. Like at the time, I was, my dad is a musician. He's been grinding it out on the road for 30 years now. Him and his band are celebrating 30 years together. Wow. I was, I was driving their tour bus to make some money that summer. And also like doing child care and working at a late night lasagna shop in Chinatown of L.A. Just like infinite hustles.

Just trying to financially inject into the music because this shit is fucking expensive, bro. I didn't know having this dream as a little kid that it was going to be like this. You know, it's crazy. Shit, why did not choose something easier? Well, how important do you feel like having those hustles is to an independent artist? There's a lot of artists on the come up. Once they get a little bit of buzz, they get a sense of entitlement.

And they think that, hey, I deserve to be guppin. Like, people know who I am. And they won't work other jobs or even push, like, in other directions to get capital. How important do you feel like that is? I mean, to finish answering your question, Gina, like, the same shit that I was doing, like, a couple years ago is the same shit I'm doing that. Like, you have to have 10,000 hustles, you feel me? And even if you have 10,000, you still need one more.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to have hell of hustle. So, like, even at the time, um, before, like, you know, before the video went viral, like, I'm working at this, this chicken spot that's attached to one of the main venues in Seattle that I perform at. So there would be nights where, like, I would either get off work and, like, go perform. Stage? Smelling like chicken?

I mean, yeah, but like, whatever. Because you only see that type of shit in, like, movies and stuff like that, like, real talk. The cashier or the bar. bartender is an artist or a performer or something like that. I think that's incredible. Yeah. So like, but like that was just hella, but also at the same time, like, I've only worked job, like, I've had hella jobs in my life, but like coinciding with like me being in the the music industry, like I've only had jobs that like, you just have to like know me or understand where I'm coming from. Like even the chicken job, like I told them like, I don't

care about this job. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know you fuck with me and I fuck with you just ought to for respect level, but you have to know that I don't care. So like, while I'm while I'm like doing what I got to do, I'm also like on business calls or I'm also like, yeah, my break might be actually an hour today. Because I got shit I got to do. So like it just is what it is, my nigga. So like it was crazy how it happened like, um, I want to say the night or like a day or something before we dropped the video or something like that. They brought me into the office and like they basically just had enough of it. Like I knew it was bound to happen. And they're like, look, we would rather hire somebody that, like, really cares about this job.

And we know you don't care. And we believe in you. We want you, you know what I'm saying? Do what you got to do. You're just jugging a little too hard for it. Literally. You're giving a fuck, like, a little too hard. Like, we get it, but, like, all right.

They had enough of you still in company time? Pretty much. So they're like, you know, let's just. They got me. I'm taking no boxes. Let's just keep it cool. You do what you got to do. And then, like, I'm telling you, they, you know, essentially fired me.

Then the next day, the video dropped. So it wouldn't matter if they fired me, they would have fired me or not. Was a coworker sitting you up like, you're going viral, go bitch? Pretty much. I'm like, you know. I was going to get up out of here anyway. Y'all wouldn't go see me forever. It was a matter of time.

But to answer your question, like to really be a real artist is to know that you're not going to make money off of your art. Like, as sad as that is to say, like, to me, you know what I'm saying? And, you know what I'm saying? To blinds are anybody else? Like, that's obvious. Like, of course. But, like, you have to have hell of multiple streams of income. You have to have, like, you can't just, yeah, you talented, but like, do you have personality?

You know what I'm saying? Can you talk to people? Can you, you know, do you have vision? You know what I'm saying? Like, do you have all these things? There's so many things that play a part in it. And I think the misconception is people think like, oh, I could get, you know, viral or I could just, you know, be good at this one thing.

And it's like, bro, that's not enough at all. Right. That's not enough. Because there's plenty of people that are not good, but they have the other things that are around it. You just have to have the whole complete thing, you know? And that's why you see so many artists crossing over into the acting world or so many of the OGs now they just act.

You know, look at Method Man, our big fucking bro. Like, he's like, yeah, I'm not going on tour. I got a movie to shoot, you know, like. Look, once you find that other bag, like, I did some voiceover. work and I said if I could really just really do voiceover, I'll never rap again. Fuck this rap shit on everything. I will only do voiceover. You will hear me on commercials and you don't say animation and stuff like that. You got the voice for it. I know. That's my gift. But you know what I'm saying to like, yeah, once you find other

things that like, because music is really like the catalyst of it all, you know, like that's what brought me into the stuff that helped me learn the business and make the connections and all the stuff, but like, I don't want to be rapping forever. I don't even have those, like, my goals are different, you know, like, at one point, like, I wanted, I guess, but also I don't even know. I don't want to be fair. I don't want to be famous, I don't want none of that shit. I'm, I'm always going to rap forever because I'm good at it, but also like, you know, I know what it can do, but at the same time, like I said, like, it was just supposed to open doors for me to do more stuff because, like, I have, like, you know, I just have way more tricks than that. What's

you said is such a vital piece of information, but a really hard pill to swallow that a lot of artists don't want to acknowledge because that that's, you're shattering dreams with that statement, essentially. Because good. Ah, for real. Good. And hopefully it serves people well in the long run because the reality is, yes, like, you want to, like, your dream is to be a rapper.

But there's, rapping is, what, maybe 15% of being a rapper? Literally. the end of the day. Like, and a lot of it is even putting yourself in a financially stable position outside of the game so you can be thriving inside the game. That too. And also, I think people also

don't take in consideration the relationships that you build. Like, I can, I owe that to how loved I am, like, in my city. Like, for one, if you don't have love in your city, like, it's really kind of hard to get it anywhere else. Like, if your own people don't fuck with you, you, why would anybody else? So, like, if you could always go home and be good, that's what's up.

But also, not even me just being there, like, all the security guards know me, the talent buyers know me, everybody, like, these is my friends, you know what I'm saying? Like, why would you disrespect the security guard when, like, he's what separates you from even getting in this motherfucker? Like, there's been so many situations that I've just been in because the people, the venue is cool with me. So, like, I could go where the fuck I want to go, which means I could do what I got to do, conduct business how I can, as opposed to somebody else. I'm like, you cause problems. So I'm not going to, like, let you in here.

Like, why would I, you know, extend anything to you? Where it's like, people don't understand doing all that whaling out and getting 86 from places. Like, that's burnt as fuck. Like, why would you, that hurts your bag? When they see a dude trying to dope feed you from the side, they're going to be like, not Gabby. Hop out of the kids. Literally, like, treat, you know what I'm saying?

You got to treat everybody the same. Don't disrespect the, you know, the, tell the security guard to suck your dick just so you can like, damn near want to suck the rappers dick like, bro, treat all like, treat everybody to say. You don't know how successful somebody's want to be. Literally, because them security guard niggas end up on in the venue, you know what I'm saying?

Or like, that secretary is now, you know what I'm saying, the CEO or whatever, like, and people remember shit like that because I know I remember shit like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? That girl from Bacabok is the co-founder of B-A-G Enterprise. But that's the chicken shop. Right, no, I figured.

And it's like you said, you got to have that juice in your city. And Blime's like, don't you have like a motherfucking street named after you in San Francisco? No. There's no, there's some. No. I'm always telling you these lies. Show me. Oh, Farrell.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Now we're talking pimping. Not a street named after you, but you had like, you got honored by the city of San Francisco type shit. There was a, there was an artist. God damn it. This, I knew that my memory was going to play. me at some point. Here it is.

Not plagued you. Yeah. There was an artist and I would love to remember his name. He goes to different cities and he puts up street signs of his favorite quotes from artists. And he put up on Fillmore, he put up one of the quotes from my song. And I think it was bumping nicotine at the bus stop. Right. And when I was a kid, probably starting in the fifth grade, going up to ninth grade when I was like,

okay, this is weird behavior. Why am I doing this? I would go outside of Andre Nicotina's apartments in the Fillmore and wait just to see him. Like, I was such a fan. Amazing. Of rap, of hip-hop, of Andre Nicotina, of Fillmore, of the music that like I grew up a few blocks away from, you know. And so I was super honored that I got to pay that homage to Nicotina, to Fillmore, to the city, and just honored that people are listening, that artists. are listening, that we water each other's flowers, you know, that we water each other's gardens and keep each other inspired, like, that's the shit that keeps me going. Because like you said, this is a hard-ass business and you got, yes?

Not good. Don't make me show you the goosebumps. Oh, man. Anyways, there is definitely like such, it's so fucking hard to do this if you don't have the money for it. Gabby and I both come from a place where we didn't have the upfront capital and we had talent and a strike of luck that got us viral right. But when it gets too hard and I'm like, why am I doing this? When I just, you know, it's 22 and 2019 was our biggest fucking year ever. We were playing all the festivals. We had a record deal with Sony Orchard. Like it was a huge year.

We were on track to do something. Distribution deal. We were on. track to do something fucking huge the next year. And the pandemic sat our ass down. And today I'm fucking, I just dropped off a 10 month old. I'm fucking babysitting. You know, like, I'm not even going to cap. Like, so when I want to give up and I'm like, why am I doing 16 hour production days and then going to the studio to try and finish my album sleeping none? Why am I doing this? And then I remember that we fucking water each other's gardens. When I get the DMs that say, I'm alive because of you, I almost fucking didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't, live to see another day, but I put on your music, that's when I'm like, okay, there is a greater

purpose to this. That is, this is what we're supposed to be doing. And it's not just about me and my selfish desire to become famous. That was deep, bro. So being that you guys, I'm put in like 10 plus years, you don't have multiple hustles. And I'm sure y'all have been through a lot of shit. When you hop on the internet and you see somebody going viral for sticking their tongue out and saying period I, period. Um.

Oh, fuck. They're playing it on a radio and allegedly, you know, it's been reported that. And I'm disappointed in you even quoted that. Brits. You could have just said the one bitch. You know the one. And I'd be like, yeah. Her name is Britt Barbie. Hey, she can't.

And, uh, Prit Barbie can. You know, supposedly, you know, she got signed to, I believe, Capital Records. Of course she did. Oh, Atlantic, Atlantic. I'm sorry. My bad capital. Oh, Atlantic.

Atlantic, my bad capital. No, that makes so much sense for Atlantic to be the, yeah. But, you know, when you guys see something like that and it's like, what the hell are we coming to if this is what we're consuming now? What do you guys think when y'all see something like that? TikTok, TikTok killed the streets. Streets is dead. Let me be the one. I don't know if everybody else is saying it thinking that streets is dead.

TikTok killed the streets. Like, it's really, like, it's really like, if you don't get down, get the fuck out type shit. Like, if you're not going to do all the TikTok shit, like, you obsolete. You know what I'm saying? And to see people like that, like, you know, that's been going on since forever. Like, people, you know, put their stock and they support and shit and goofy shit all the time. But it's like, I don't know. Like, that shit short-lived.

If anybody thinks that dick is just been to be like bumping Britt Barbie even like two weeks from now, you on dope. Like it's going to be very short-lived. I guess let the girl get her money, whatever the case may be is. But it's just the more so just seeing how people like there's so much. That's why it goes to show like it's really not even about talent. Because you know, you hear the argument like, you know, you got all these people doing all this dope shit. Nobody want to like stitch the dope shit or whoop-de-whoop, but it's like, well, yeah,

but like these the people y'all make famous. Like, you can't turn around and be mad that bad Barbie and all these people exist. Like, these people literally exist because we allow them to. If we just didn't give a fuck about them and, like, really just, like, stood our ground and was like, we just not fin to support that. Right. It would really change a lot of shit. But, you know, people like to be entertained by the bullshit. So it's frustrating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's disheartening, for sure.

It's also hella annoying. Like, I'll keep this one brief, but it's just hella annoying that people would rather make fun of something, and that's why they're investing their time and energy into it, then support something dope. That's, that's hella frustrated. You think it's like some exploitational shit there, me, like when you see? Yeah.

Y'all became a group slightly, like shortly after that. How soon was there like, was there already interest from the distro labels and the, you know, management and things like that? Did that just come all at the same time? Was it like a floodgate essentially? Yeah, it was like a floodgate. Yeah. I remember asking my friend who is a manager, she was co-managing Anderson Pack with Adrian Miller. And I remember asking her, what do I do?

I cannot tend to all of these messages and emails. request. It's too much. It's too much. And she was like, let me run this past Adrian. And yeah, he was like, I fuck with them if they, you know, if they want to do this thing, like, tell them to come on down to Zion. And so then we were managed from there as a group by Adrian, who was managing Anderson Pack and Mariba at the time, which was, yeah, great company to be. in. Yeah, yeah. Learned a lot of lessons in that first year, you know, and eventually, you know, learned

who to trust and where to go with time. But it was too much to handle on our own. On our own. And so, you know, I had to reach out for some help. And then people were like, oh, shit, yeah. Like, we got y'all. Yeah. Yeah.

We always hear stories about, like, groups early on. They're getting played out of money and stuff like that. Did you have a situation where like maybe somebody might have been finessing y'all a little bit or something and you didn't get paid what you should have been or there was some. Hands in the pocket. Yeah. I don't think we got finessed. I just think that like we were, we had a trajectory that with the right strategy and moves could have highly exceeded what we did in the first year. I don't think we were finessed.

In fact, we were helped a lot. People really did want to help us. Y'all had vinyl in urban outfitters and all kinds of shit. Yeah. That was, that was awesome. But it was, there was, you know, there was a sense of feeling like we got big fish, or little fish and big ponded with the people that we were around, where it was like, you know, people wanted us to show and prove.

And it was like, we can't show them prove. yet we don't know enough. We don't have the tools yet. You know, like put us in line. When you say show and prove, you don't mean creatively. You mean like as far as doing numbers. Strategy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Oh, we were in the studio every day. We made it, I mean, we made an album in the first couple months after that. But we didn't drop it until 2020 because, like I said,

like, we didn't have the right guidance. That's it. That's all, like, I don't want to get too far into like, who, what, where, when, why. Right. I'm not that bitch. Like I can take responsibility for, you know, my own parts of shit. And like I love that because then there's freedom in it.

You know, like I know what I did wrong and there's freedom in that. But if I'm sitting here pointing the finger at you all day, there's no freedom in that. There's just anger. Accountability. Yeah. I just feel like for this in the sense that like that was our first like major, like most of our shit was like major situations. We didn't get fucked off in a way that like I don't have no hard feelings toward anybody. and I feel like all of it was a learning experience.

Like it was, I feel like the best situation in the situation. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. We did deal with some bullshit, but it wasn't nothing like that. So like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not bitter to any of the situations because it really could have been worse. Right.

You know what I'm saying? We really could have gotten taken advantage of. But I do owe it to the fact that we did come in with some know-how. You know what I'm saying? Like we went all the way green in these scenarios. So like we were able to really, you know, we used the, what we knew to really get ourselves out of a lot of situations that could have became a thing or whatever. Totally. We did see red flags in certain situations. And it's not like we were thrown to the sharks.

We were just thrown into the wrong pond, you know? And so we had to, we had to move elsewhere. I don't even speak specifics, but it is like I think of it now of situations where it's just like, if I just really didn't know shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all really could have got me. But I'm sitting here like looking at y'all, like, I'm only letting this play out because I'm just like, want to see how long you really think you're going to play me like bro i'm like this is what you do into people like you i got to look i got to tell people about you right and if you're listening to this like i was in a lot of fear and like what i wish that i had known at the time is like don't play about your career about your work about your money about your visibility like i was scared for a

long time to leave you know um certain situations and even that crosses over even into relationships and shit. It's like, why am I playing with my own well-being? I shouldn't be afraid. To speak up for yourself? To speak up for ourselves. To leave, you know, to leave a bad situation, to leave something that's not working. I won't say bad, but just leave something that's not working. And then because once we changed paths, you know, and we started, we got a different team around us and different people around us.

Things, bigger doors started opening, you know, and that's when Orchard reached out. And it was a definite sign from the universe, like, okay, you're making the right moves, you're choosing the right decisions for yourself. Here's another opportunity is what it felt like. You know, that carrot of like, all right, here's, you made it to the next level, you know. So, yeah, that came in 2019. We got that. The pandemic just fucked it all up.

Right, bro, just kicked us in the shins, bro. It really fucked it up. What ways did you guys struggle during the pandemic? Man, we dropped the album, like, at the top of the pandemic, so we couldn't do nothing. We, the international tour, done. You know what I'm saying? sway the whole promo run, all that shit done. So it affected it in every single way.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it was a great album. We had great features on it. Like, it did numbers. It did well, but we couldn't do anything. Like, you know what I'm saying? We had to do those goofy-ass performances like in your apartment, which I fucking hated. And being artists.

I hate the virtual performances. Yeah. On Instagram live. Hey, virtual interviews, virtual battle rap. I hate all of it. Please stop. Especially if it's people like y'all that are emcees first and foremost and like thrive off of the live experience. You just wrap into your room and then you finish the song, you just like ha ha.

Like that is weird as fuck. Like there's no no one else there. There's no audience. Like this is weird. Like if this is what the future is, I'm good. It's kind of hard to catch the organic vibe. There's no vibe. There isn't a vibe.

Like for there to be a vibe, there has to be. things in place, but like you just dance a, you don't say, which is why I'm not, just not a TikTok. Like just the entertaining to a kid, like even when I get on live, I feel weird. Like I'll catch myself having a conversation. I'll really sit there and be like, I'm really talking to myself in a phone and I'll feel weird about it. You know what I'm saying? Like I just, I thrive off of human interaction, you know? Getting validated by legends in the game, like doing joints with people like Method Man and things like that.

Like that must have been like a childhood dream come true. Methamah's great. We worked on fucking drop the mic. Was it drop the mic? Drop the mic together. Like meth is our buddy. That's our guy. He's an awesome dude.

Like he's so regular. You know what I'm saying? So it helped like. He's so regular but he's not because this is like. He's a mega superstar. He's superhuman. He acts so regular. Yeah.

He's so humble. So humble and just, you know like meth is in my top five. You know what I'm saying? So to meet someone in your top five and they just like a regular nigger, like if I text this nigger right now, he won't even text me back. He'll send me a video like uncle style. No, I'm kidding. He'll send a video message back like, what's up, Gap?

Like, won't even text. You know what I'm saying? Like just a real like uncle. Yeah, he's a human and he's not facts. He's not the machine that a lot of people turn into, you know, in the industry. The responses to the text messages, the genuine, you know, we did a song together that he offered to do and just on the love. And, you know, every once in a while, I'll hit him to try and give him some royalties.

And he's like, no, I just put that back to the music, you know. And it's just like. Bray, he shouted us out on the verses. Yeah. Like, I put that on my, like, I just tell people that, right? Like, that's just something that. Just on your resume. Resum.

But, like, he didn't shout out other people. He didn't shout out a list of people. He just stopped what he was doing, and he shouted us out. Yeah, I'm telling people that whatever I can. Like, I post it every maybe like six months. Right. You got to add it to your link tree. Right.

The versus, mess shout out on verses. Fabulous posting me talking about his music and I added it to my highlights. Right. Yeah. Hell of important. So you got to just bring it up in random conversation. Since everybody's so clout. Everybody's so clout hungry these days.

They want to know what your bullet points are, what your accolents. are, but I don't even look at it as clout. Like, nigger, one of my favorite rappers ever, like, shouted me. Like, you know, I'm going to say that often. Now, with that being said, did you still try to eat him up on the track? Well, yeah, he's a human first. He's a nigga first. So, yeah, that's, yeah.

I couldn't. I sent him my verse first. So whatever he came with, he came with. It didn't make you, when you got his verse back, it'd make you want to, like, redo it? Of course. Did you? No. Nah.

That's some real shit. Real empty shit. I redo my shit. Give me 48 hours. But you asked about it being, you know, was that a childhood dream? And it's like I've prayed for many things in my life. But before like fame and success,

I pray to be respected by the people that I respect. And so when meth, when somebody reached out to me about meth being a fan, I was like, there it is. That's literally what I prayed. for was like to be respected by people that I respect, then I know for a fact that it's not yes men around me telling me that I'm good. You know, like I can live right size in my body and feel okay about this level of confidence that I had, not be lacking in confidence like I was

for so long and not be out, you know, out of my fucking mind with ego about it either, but just be like, okay, like you can keep going. I wanted to quit for, Like, I was so depressed and in my bed and trying to quit rap music and trying to quit music. And when I got the call to go meet math was right at, like, my lowest point. And I was about to put it all away and, like, literally pack it up and be like, I'm done with this shit. It's too hard. It's too much. And that's when I was like, okay, got you.

You both mentioned that you wanted to quit doing music. Has it ever been a moment or a time where you two were just. like, yeah, sis, it's not working out. We should just break up. How many times are y'all have y'all broken up? This week. Right. Well, first of all, you're not even a really

a real artist if you don't give up all the time. You feel me? Like, you're really not doing it if you always, you know what I'm saying? You get to a point where you're like, man, fuck this shit. But I'd be getting there a lot. I'd be getting there a lot. But, I mean,

this is like my sister. So sisters, you know what I'm saying? fight. Not only we sisters, but we have like business and like a relationship deeper than you know what I'm saying, anything. So at the end of the day, whatever, any type of tips and fallouts and shit that we have is like really don't mean shit because like we have a deeper but like again, the first time I ever met this girl in my life, we like fought together. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So yeah. I mean, we have had times, periods of distance, but that came after two years of spending every fucking day together.

We lived in the same apartment complex. We shared a car. We did everything together. Naturally, we're growing. We're going to need some time apart. And I think it was hella necessary. You know, I think we both were going through some shit, angsty shit. That was like, I need to individualize and feel like myself again

before we can come back together as a group. would you agree to that? Yeah, I don't want to speak for Gab, you know? And now we, I feel like we're on a stronger foot, you know, for it because we know how each other feel about being individuals. You know, it's not this, what's it called? It's not this like pink cloud moment of like, we're going to be a world famous group and we're never going to look back.

The honeymoon is OVA at this point. That fucking part. The honeymoon is over, was over, and if you're doing this, the honeymoon will inevitably be over at some point and reality is going to set the fuck in. Right. Because this life is not just glamour. It is not.

Does your turmoil lead to this meditation stuff? Because I went down y'all YouTube and I saw y'all meditating. I ain't never seen rappers meditate before. Oh, shit. Where did the meditating come about? First of all, blinds is the meditator. It's true. My meditation is just smoking weed.

Like in my mind. Meditator, medicated. There you go. There you go. When I'm sitting there smoking weed, I'm meditating because I'm just thinking, you know what I'm saying? She does meditation more like strategically. You know what I'm saying? That's strategy.

Yeah. So we just brought it together. I don't know. We'd just be having a good time. Yeah. I do like a little grounding. I don't smoke or drink. And so like I just enjoy activities that help me get grounded because it's raw dog in life is hard.

Like, it's crazy out there, you know? My brother. Yeah, you already know. You know. Y'all are both very forthright about your struggles. And, you know, you'll share on social media. Maybe, like, sometimes maybe not when you're going through it, but afterwards you'll be like, hey, I've been going through some shit.

Like, and this is me now. And I feel like that's a big catalyst of inspiration to your fans. And you have, thus creates this real intimacy between you and your fans. Does that over, I'm looking for the right word, does that responsibility overwhelm you all at times? Because it's like, do you feel like it's a responsibility or does it feel like a burden? What's the emotion attached to this level of intimacy

and like expectation that your fans have of you as a result? Dependency. Great question. Really good question. Yeah, it's overwhelming. Fantastic question. Incredible question. Let me just think on that.

No, Mike, is I going to answer it? 15 more minutes while I said, great question. You know, that question, it's like, what you had asked was, look, now you're going to make me fucking forget. Is it overwhelming? Yeah, I mean, it does get overwhelming, but also you have to make boundaries with your supporters. You know what I'm saying?

Off top. You know, I'm one of those people, like, every artist, every fan, I don't even really like to call it fans, because I kind of have like a cult base that's like really been with me since like a lot of them like since the beginning around like 2011 so like I know these people you know what I'm saying like for hella

but and those ones they kind of know my personality well enough but like even even like the you know the newer and the younger supporters or whatever I like I respond to a lot of a lot of you know what I'm saying my DMs and shit like that

but it's to an extent You know what I'm saying? Sliding Gavs DMs. No, don't slide in my DMs. You might get put in the general section immediately if it's just like, I already see you're going to be too much. You get those DMs that are like, hello, hello, miss. Say what you want, right?

Right. I mean, if you start off like that, I'm not going to respond. Hello, hello, hello. Fuck you bitch. Right, right. Fucking A, bro. Weird. I got this one dude that DMs me, can you sit on my face like every two weeks.

Don't out me like that. Stop. Like, oh. Ludge. But the same thing over and over and over and over. Be unafraid. Bro.

There's this one dude. She like that I laugh at. But like, but also at the same time, I'm also like a, what is it, an empath? Yep. You are.

Oh my God. In the sense that like, you know, some people will, I know that they're like kind of overstepping the boundary, but also at the same time, like I'm one of them people that like, you can't play with me

if you like playing that suicide shit. Right. Because I think every time really might be, you know what I'm saying? Because I've dealt with a lot of people and I'm never want to like, oh, he's just like tripping. Like you never know. Like every time might be that time. So there'll be situations where some people like maybe overstep it in my DMs and do a little bit too much. And like I'll, you know, maybe cut, maybe the conversation will get a little bit shorter.

It'll go from like a paragraph down to a couple words. You know what I'm saying? But like, you know. You're going to be a right. Yeah. Like I'm never going to leave somebody on red in that situation. Yeah. Yeah, like I feel, you know, and then Pete, some, you know, that's how you get like stalkers and shit.

Like, I'd be thinking true crime, you know what I'm saying? I'd be thinking like, I'm going to leave this nigga on red and then he's going to, like, find out where I live and, like, try to kill me because I left this nigga on red. Think like that. For real. So I'm going to just, like, put you in the general section. So it looked like I'd never seen it. You know what I'm saying? I just had to block somebody the other day because he goes on all of my socials and he says, I think you're hiding something.

Why did you take the picture of the little boy down? Oh, hell no. He thinks that my, my girl's nephew is my kid and I'm hiding it. And he's been in my DMs. He's been on my Instagram. He's been on my. There's like a fundamental thing he's missing about you apparently. He think you hidey your baby daddy.

Right. Yeah, exactly. He think you hide to your kid from the world, not hiding your world from the kid. Ain't no daddy over here. Mind you, this man, this man, was I going to say? Oh, he just is not understanding the concepts of stories. So he thinks I deleted a photograph that was on my story for 24 hours of a little boy. He said, why did you delete that picture of that little boy on your story?

There's something you're not telling us. But mental. He's got to be from like New Zealand. That's a Jaycat right there. I mean, you've got to be careful, man. The internet is wild. Mental health, like, and so I approach it lightly. I was like at first a little, like talked a tiny bit.

And then I was like, you know what? This is just block. We got a block. Yeah, we feed the bear, man. I'm sure you deal with it. You can't feed the bear. I'm sure you deal with it. I feel like if I'll talk about them right now, they're going to start.

Right. Oh, for show us. You deal with weird? Oh, right. I know. He's going to see this and then he's going to find me. The trolls are absolutely crazy. I was actually followed home.

So the trolls are like, they are absolutely crazy. They're very disrespectful. But then there are. Do you not know you're a gangster? Like, what the fuck? Like. No, they think I'm like from the valley or something. Oh, hell no.

Yeah. Okay. So what happened? Have they seen you jumpro? Do you want to let them think that? I don't, I don't think these kids today, like, know what double-edching is like, Art of the hood. They must got like severely twisted.

I want to hear the end of the story. Oh, I mean, low story short, walked up on me at my apartment. I said what I said. He said we had a little back and forth. And then, you know, he saw it wasn't playing. That's uncomfortable. Yeah. Have you seen Players Club?

Yeah. Remember when, what was his name? Byron, Myron. It was just like that. Yeah. He tried to get in? No, no, no, no. It didn't go that far.

Okay. Ebony wasn't fucking my nigger. I hate that. Man, I hate that for you. No, that's scary. Yeah. But that's why I said you think. No, not yet.

I am though. Okay, good. But that's why I was saying when you say you think true crime, like, no, think that. Because it's like, people are fucking crazy. Right. You don't know what. You shouldn't underestimate a soul. Lush, you got them?

Oh, so many. And it's of both sexes. And it's really weird because I think me in particular, the demographic of fans that I attract. There's like... Yeah, pretty rowdy. Well, not just rowdy, like weird people. I love y'all, you feel me?

You're eccentric. You're an eccentric dude. You probably make people feel safe and seen. Exactly. Like, so me, me being eccentric, but being like someone that you would never think would ever be able to get accepted by the type of people that accept me, like, kind of like an awkward white dude, but like that the hood loves. You feel me?

Because you're authentic. You are who you are. They'll never, so like, like, yeah, so I have like the hood fans and they're like the regular ones for the most part, you feel me. But like these strange white fans that are like, I wish I could be like that. Some of them people like, and some of them I love and they're great and like you're going, you're going to be cool one day. It's all good. Hopefully, I don't know. But you're already cool, you feel me?

Right. But yeah, it's very awkward. And I also, me being very candid with my recovery and just struggles that I've been. circumvented. I feel a responsibility to them. But it, like, works both ways because the positive side of that is it keeps me accountable and that makes me want to continue. And there's moments where I feel weak and, like, shit, like, things ain't going

on my way. Maybe I, fuck it out. I should relapse. Wait, no. What's little Timmy going to do? Right. He's going to do. Little Timmy is going to snort some mess if I fucking relapse.

No, Timmy going to do what he want. You're out here saving lives, though. Keep Timmy off the tweak, man. Face over. another day. That's the shit that, you know, but yes, to answer your question. And absolutely. It's a big responsibility. And I know, and I know y'all feel it to a degree as well. You know, especially when you get those, I get those too, the people that are like, I can't go on. We'll be, won't be, will be, well, yeah. It's a lot of positive people, though, too.

True. That was show love and things like that. It's definitely outweighs the negative. It'd be the ones that, like, think that they can play with you because they think they know you. Like one of them ones that like they see how like I play with her or like just anybody else when they try to play with me like first of all like nigga you don't play with me like that. Like I don't think you know you. You know what I'm saying? You're not that familiar. Yeah.

Like people really think that just because they've been listening to your music and like watching you and like watching your stuff. You know on such a regular basis they think they really know you. And it's like yeah but watch your mouth. Like I don't fucking know you. I don't know you. So answer this because we don't know Jumper. It's the coolest podcast in the world.

In the world. It wouldn't be no jumper if I didn't ask y'all nothing messy. All right. Y'all ever fuck the fan? She has. Let me just tell you. I already know. Fuck.

Yeah. Did it last? Like on what level, like someone that like came to a show and I'm like, oh, I'm going to fuck you. Then we fucked. They're like, fucking a fan. It came to the DMs or came to the show. I'm here for the specificity.

I want to know. No, because there is specificity because. who are these niggas? You feel me like my niggins are fans. Right. They find you online. Niggas I've noticed this middle school, you know what I'm saying? Or a nigga, you know what's the? I see you. So yeah, I have. Did it turn into a real situation or did you leave it at fan level? You know what? On some real shit, I was in a, I was in a situation I was in a situation early.

This was maybe two, okay, I had to been like 20. I'm not sure who you're talking about. I know you though, but I'm just looking at you for no reason. She's looking at you so you can let it be known that this is old. Right. This was long ago. Anyway, he was a little video cat, you know what I'm saying? Wow.

They're doing with the angles. The angles. The angles. Anyway, I'm not even going to go into the long story short. I had to whip this little niggas ass. Oh, shit. I did not see it going there. Because it ended in a situation where again, you know what I'm saying?

He's little and he makes videos. We're going to find him. He was a fan. It's left. And that was a bet. Hell no. Sounds like Zune. Shout out to Zune.

He's about to be in the tour van in two weeks. Hilarious. Nobody's fucking Zoo. Come on. No, it was a situation where he was younger. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like he was a younger, he was younger and a fan. So that's what made it even worse, you know.

Well, how did y'all even, like, get to that point to where you became intimate? Right. Like, what you mean? He was spending some game. Yeah. Did he slide in the DMs? Did you see him at a show? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What happened? I think it was a show. This was, like, kind of pre-DM. It was definitely not pre-DM, but, like, I was really off that at that time. So it was definitely like an in-person, like at a show type shit. I think I knew his cousin or something like that. It was really, I just remember I whipped this little niggins ass. Wait, why did he steal something?

What happened? Yeah, why? He ended up lying about something he had no reason to lie for. It was one of them situations like, that was-squash. It was just such a dumb-ass lie. Sounds like you really liked him. He evoked quite a bit of emotion in you at the point where- Yeah, she avoided something.

Nah. it was just a dumbass lie. Like, it was really just so fucking petty that you would lie about something like in the sense, like you. It's not my mom's car. It's mine. Like, if you ask somebody about some shit, that means I already know. I'm just asking you to see if you're going to tell me the truth. And the fact that you would lie about something like so ridiculous, just like.

So yeah, it did invoke those emotions for sure. Yeah. Understandably. Blimes, you've been pretty quiet since. Yeah, you know, on the clear. I thought I was going to slip into the radar, man. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't blame her.

I don't blame her. Have you seen the man? Ladies love cool blinds. I came back to the hotel the next morning a couple of times on our tour in 2019. So tight. So tight. Yeah, I mean, I walked away. I ended up like going back to one of the cities and being in a full-blown relationship with somebody.

That was a supporter initially. I, yeah, right, like, we raised a baby, like, until he was a year and some change together, but it didn't work out. And, you know, that was actually, yeah, so that's a little challenging to talk about. That was a hard time, but it started from meeting around, yeah. But at a certain point, then that, like, evolves past that. You don't think of that person as a fan. No, not at all.

No, you know them on an intimate level. See, that's why we're so like ying and yang in the same. sense that like she's the light side and on the dark side. She be fucking fans and she like wipes them and take care of them. I be fucking fans and they're like in my end bad. And beat them up. Yeah. But my head.

You wipe the fan, you beat the fan up. Right. But then again. That's hella funny. Then again, you kick it with sugar free. You kick it with sharp. Like there's some there's some ism in you. Like where'd all this pimping, you know, ism come from?

Is that a Seattle thing or what? Yeah. It's not on you. It ain't on me and Emmy. I think I see now when I get older why my mom kept me away from certain, you know what I'm saying? People are like sides of the family and shit like that because they was, you know what I'm saying? They was in the game doing their shit. But some of my favorite, like, I'm not even going to say their names, but some of my favorite cousins, you know what I'm saying, were pimps or pimps or whatever.

Talented on the blade. There you go. Tented on the blade is wild. And like some of my favorite people, some of my best friends, like I have a relationship with it in the sense that I've never had like a bad experience. So like my, how I view it is maybe skewed or different than how like most people feel about it because I've never had a bad situation. I've never had anybody like try to human traffic me or try to like put me in the game. I've only had good experiences as far as like these people I love.

They've looked out for me like did shit for me. like with my music or personal stuff, like been there when I needed them, like just really great, you know what I'm saying? Great people. Like, I love these people. And I've never, yeah, like I just never had a bad, a bad experience. And it's always been love and like I love ism rap. Like I just love the whole shit about it.

Like, because when like really, it's like, I really like the psychological side in the sense that you can really, you can really like put that in anything. Like just the world is pimps and hoes. Like, really, if you break it down into, like, the basic sense of it all, everything is pimping and hoeing. You know what I'm saying? So you can look at it in one way or you can, like, really open your mind to it and see that, like, you know what I'm saying?

Even if a pimp starts pimping at the end of the day, he's always going to use the tools and the knowledge that he knows to do what he got to do. And, you know, that's what everybody else is doing. That's how corporations and all these shit survive. It's all pimping and hoeing. I respect that explanation so much, especially the level of, awareness, you know, of like, that's like media training couldn't even teach you that. Right. That's theism right there.

But people see it in, in the regards of like TV and film or what somebody is set. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course, there's bad people in any field. Right. You know what I'm saying? There's bad situations, bad apples and everything. But that's not who they are. Like the, yeah, just all the bad shit.

But it's like I've never seen someone simultaneously like show love to the pimps. game and simultaneously hold space for people that are traumatized by it. Like, in such a, such a seamless way. Like, that's you cold. I'm scared of you. Absolutely. Right. You stupid.

No, it's all love. And like Sugar Free's my favorite rapper. Like, and people think I'd be joking. Like, who's your favorite rapper? Like, that's really, that's really my favorite rapper. You said Sugar Free? Like, yeah, MacDrey up there too. Like, I just love Isom.

Like, yeah, that was always my shit. Like, my first. DJ Quick, my favorite rapper. DJ Quick is also, like, they're like in tandem. You know what I'm saying? Like they're one and the same. But like I've always liked the rap to like make me laugh or like to make me think or like to make me be like, ooh.

You know what I'm saying? Like I like that shit. I want to ask y'all just because, and I know we probably running out of time, low-keyish, but I do want to ask you all about you being from San Francisco, aka Frisco not San Fran for all y'all motherfuckers out there. Yeah, yeah. Take that shit out for. You feel me?

You being from Seattle. These are both really cities with really rich history, you know, on a cultural level and beyond. Yet there's been a lot of gentrification and changes that have effect both of these places. Hell of. Like in recent years. What are y'all thoughts on seeing your hometowns kind of change to the point where the nostalgia gets sucked away from it and it becomes unrecognizable? That's something that we actually like really bonded about too when we first met is like how different our cities had become over the years. Like, San Francisco is such a special place in the 90s.

I mean, obviously before that, you know, but in the 90s that I personified the city. So watching the city change feels like a person's dying, you know? It's so weird to be home now. What are my thoughts on gentrification is like, of course I don't fucking like it, you know. But how do we stop it? And like, I don't have the answer to that. I don't fucking know, you know. what I do know is that we keep one foot in front of the other

and we keep talking about things, you know, in a public place. Like we keep talking about gentrification, we keep talking about systemic racism, we keep talking about what the potential solutions could be on a consistent enough basis and things are going to start to change or at least trickle down to the next generation. You know, we need some equity in these businesses

that are coming into our cities. We need people, the native, people of the city, you know, or the most negatively affected by these companies coming in, those people need equity. And it's fucking sad because I think it's a little bit too late for that because everybody's been pushed out. That's my thoughts on it. It's never too late for Zuckerberg and you feel me all these tech giants. They got enough money to reverse, reverse run it back. Bring people back. Bring people back to their cities. What do you think? Yeah, what's your thoughts? I mean, I feel the same. It do feel like a person is dying.

Like I feel like Seattle in a lot of ways was kind of like the blueprint in gentrification. The way like Amazon just really like took over the city was crazy in like the amount of time and like how much it changed the city. I tell people like if you haven't been if you haven't been to Seattle and like the last like it's really like in the last 15 years it became a whole different city. So if you didn't know it before then you don't really know Seattle. So like I, the only way I could try to, like, explain it is you really only get the feel of, like, Seattle within the people. You know what I'm saying? If you can even find, like, they're far and few between, like, Seattleites and Seattle because it's such a tech city, like, kind of like in L.A., like there's so many different transplants and people like that. So, like, you really get the feel of the city within the people.

So that's why I always, like, I'm proud of where I'm from anyway, but I feel like the gentrification made it. Like, I really have a responsibility of, like, being kind of that face of Seattle. Because, like, you, again, you see Seattle now people be like, there's black people there. Like, there's rap, like, all that shit. Where it's like, yeah, there's, first of all, there's niggas everywhere. You know what I'm saying? But also, yeah, there is. But there's a black community from there with very rich history.

Very rich history. And, like, you know, I take it even more personal because where I'm from in Seattle, the Central District, was the redline area in Seattle. So that was the only place, you know what I'm saying, in King County where black people could even get houses. You know, obviously that was the first place to get gentrified the most. So it's like. Because of the low cost of- Exactly. Like, you know, we just had to sell my uncle's house.

Like everybody's auntie and grandma and grandpa's houses and shit. Like the property taxes is ridiculous. Like, you know, so like I take it hella personally because like these all the people I knew, like all the mom and pops is gone. all the little, you know, places that make the, make it that cultural hub, you know what I'm saying, aside from like Langston Hughes and like Garfield and a few other like institutions that they obviously can't tear down.

But I feel like if they could, they would. Like, I don't really. They can't get rid of the turf dancing either. They cannot. It's a turf dancing mecca, fools on all no. No, Seattle got gigs. Seattle, we're coming back. I'm gig.

Seattle got gigs. I can't wait. I miss Seattle. I can't wait. Seattle is a great place, though. We're going on tour with atmosphere in October. Okay, that's I was about to ask. What's, like Warren G said, what's next, what's next?

What's NX ET for Blym's and G? That's another person that slid in the DMs when that song came out. Don't say it like that. Not in a skeezy way. Don't do. Don't do war like that. Let me run that back. You had to beat up Warren G?

No, that's fam. I love one. Yeah. Shout to Warren G. Yes, man. We are going out. Yeah, Slug Asgab. we would hit the road.

So tight. And then Gabba turned and then asked me, and I said, yes, we will, sir. So, yeah, this will be our first tour since 2019. And we have a whole lot of wraps for that ass. Slug know what he's doing with bringing that demographic of so many females to the show. You know what he's doing? Slug's the hobby. It's going to be helpful.

Yeah, we're going to play. I'm going to play, we're playing Oakland. So that'll be the Bay Area show. Amazing. Excited for that. New parish? No. Fox Theater. Oh, excuse me.

Don't shoot, Killet. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Not yet. That's pretty much all of October. Yeah, like the first two weeks of October. That's a no-brainer. Like, we get to be in front of atmosphere fans. Wow. A thousand of them a night. Like, those are diehard fucking fans. We would, we're happy to meet y'all. Like, we're excited. I know you love music and I know that you like sit down and strap into the into the fandom so yeah we're excited that's so lit yeah and that kind of you know it not that it makes up for what happened during the pandemic slowing it down but this is kind of like you can't be put in a better position

now so y'all deserve that thank you I'm mad at it congratulations thank you thank you really so we are playing here in L.A. you should come oh yeah we're at the belascoe on October 16th look at y'all yeah yeah with the top of me Egyptian, you feel me, decor and all that. The belasco be going up. Royal. That's crazy. Anything else, G?

You got anything else? No. I'm happy we was able to sit down. Thank you. This is amazing. Thanks for having us. I can job it up with y'all for hours. You might need to run a part two in the future.

With that being said, we about this biotch. Thank you guys.