No Jumper - Blockstar on The M*rder of Pop Smoke, His Troubled Upbringing & More

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Blockstar tells his side of the events leading up to the loss of Pop Smoke. ----- 0:00 Intro 0:40 Grew up in Compton and kicked out of every schools, got 1 brother in jail 4:35 He got locked up many times since he was about 13 6:00 His whole family is b___d but wanted to do his thing and went Hoover 8:00 Says attention and recognition from the streets was his first taste of “clout” 15:20 Never had a father figure or role models 18:25 Relationship with Treyway 23:30 The Pop Smoke incident was supposed to be a robbery 25:20 Says he didnt know who Pop Smoke was 28:59 Says nobody was supposed to get h*rt, says he didn't know he was gonna be home 31:00 Him being a teenager, has nothing to do with his sentence, he was gonna get life 31:29 Says he got arrested 6 months after the fact 33:00 He went to school the next morning after what happened, the teacher was talking about Pop Smoke and honoring him 33:45 Riemoh asks if any of this was worth it? 37:30 Says he had all the good food in jail, Playstation, etc: "I was lowkey running things in there” 40:30 He never ran into Crip Mac coz he was in juvie: "I'm not fighting nobody ret**ded" 41:25 Adam says rappers in LA glorified home invasions for years 42:22 Says he doesn't fear for his life, but his PO is worried about him 44:45 When they picked him up, they said they had a warrant for something else but then once in he got booked they told him it was for Pop Smoke 52:30 "Let me clarify, I'M NOT SORRY ABOUT NOTHING! Ppl d*e every day and he was rappin about it!" 59:40 He says he cant be that bad if ppl loved King Von 1:02:00 He send his condolences and apologizes to the family, thats just the way he grew up 1:03:40 Says that kids should stay in school and have activities, away from the the streets 1:05:05 Tony Yayo says they will do it again, he doesn't know Tony Yayo 1:08:15 He agrees that he got off way to lightly 1:09:00 Says he's not the fall guy, well wont answer to that and wont answer if he's the only one out either 1:12:00 Says fans should be fans and stop getting into the streets stuff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we're bringing you guys one of the most anticipated interviews in a while. We've got Blockstar on the podcast. How you feel, man? I'm feeling good. So you've been involved with a lot of high-profile, which we'll certainly get to by the end of this interview. But I figure let's start it off, just lay out the basic details. Where exactly are you from?

I'm from South Central, L.A. Hoover. Hey, Trey. You know where young third of them from, you know, from over there. So what was growing up over there like? It's just like everything in the hood. I originally grew up in Compton, but from Compton, I ended up getting kicked out of too many schools, so they end up moving me to L.A.

And once I went to L.A., I started f***ing up over there, and I'm getting put on, and I'm going through, shit as like being a young nigga from the hood. Okay, so how many brothers and sisters you have? I got one brother here in the county. for a hot one right now. You're talking about Trayway? Nah, nah, that ain't my brother.

So he's not technically your brother? I thought he was your brother. Nah, that ain't my brother. Oh, okay. Nah, that's my boy, though. We logged in, but that ain't my brother. But you guys been around each other for so long that it's basically brother status? Like 14. Okay. And you always had both parents around? I had my mom around. My dad didn't out.

Okay. I kept going back and forth to each other. What kind of stuff were you getting in trouble that had them, like, move you to a different school out of Compton and everything? Really, it's the fighting thing. I got an addiction to fighting. I don't know. I just, I was growing up as a kid.

Or like with my dad in and out of jail, I had to deal with stuff like that, like anger, animosity. So I had to learn how to defend myself. And from there just became addiction. So you think your dad being locked up was like the root of you having a lot of anger that led to you fighting?

Yeah. Interesting. And what age did your dad get locked up? since I was too chaotic he got locked up so many times just numerous times and that's interesting

because I don't hear a lot of people be honest about the fact that their dad being locked up mentally as they get older yeah nah like while I was in jail I was like I had to have to sit down and think about it like I was just fighting everybody

just doing dumb stuff breaking shit smoking popping bars all type of to just love, basically thinking like this end of the road, like, I'm gonna crash out. But then it comes from like, I think like, damn, my brother just went to jail for murder. Three months after me, my dad didn't been, like, this shit is like it's in my blood, like, all this anger that we got. So if I had asked you throughout your teenage years and shit, what you saw for yourself in terms of a future,

you wouldn't have really been able to say that you saw much of a future for yourself? I've seen the future. I just don't know what. It wasn't a positive future. No, it was positive. I just couldn't, like, it wasn't a set goal. Like, this is I want to be in the future. It's just, like, in the future, I'm going to be something. Definitely. That's what my mindset.

My dad always told me, like, I have to be something. So they really didn't give me no choice. And what do you think he meant by that in terms of what kind of person he wanted you to be? He really wanted me to be like a nerdy type. But after I used to get bullied as a kid, so after that bullying stage and I got out of it, then that's when I just became me, became Blockstore. You kind of just like overcompensated for the fact that you were kind of nerdy as a kid to basically act out? basically. So what kind of fights were you getting into?

Like what was the root of most of them? Gang fights, females, just everything. I'm kind of disrespectful whenever comes to men. But like women, I don't disrespect women, but as in man, I'm like, I don't really like being around so many men. So I get like, I'll start, end up starting it.

Not intentionally, I just get irritated and start reacting and then essentially lead up to a fight. I just get a lot. I'll just get from you honestly. Right. I get tired of talking about. What's going to? Where's going to happen? So did you get locked up while you were in high school? I got locked up so many times. What kind of stuff? Mostly fighting? I didn't been locked up my first time ever going to jail. I locked up for a tent and assault. I got out. It released me like seven months. I beat both cases.

So you're how old with an attempted murder judge? I was like 13, 14. What happened in that situation? Game banging. Really? Wow. That's what I'm coming with it. So was that kind of like something that was absolutely around you, your whole childhood? My whole childhood, yeah.

It was always in your face? Yeah, drug dealing, game banging, prostitutes, stuff like that. That's always been the environment I grew up in. I never knew nothing else. And so it's only as you get older that you start to realize that shit's kind of unique and that most people don't grow up around that? It's like once I get older, it's not that I see, like, it's, most people don't grow up like that. It's just as I get older, I start noticing, like, the stuff that we go through, like, the stuff we went through as kids, don't determine what we'd be in the future.

Like, it all depends on you. That's a fact. So it was always kind of written in stone that you were going to be from Hoover, or was there ever a chance you'd be from somewhere else? My dad and my dad all my family they from Antis Park Westside Mount Pauro, Campanella Park. That's where my family finals originally supposed to be a blood. But I just wasn't too much into following my family footsteps. I let off my way. So who was around

you that took you down the Hoover route? It was my big on me big slap he and Joe for murder two right now. He showed me around, took care of me. May I start straight. Always had money. My pockets, showed me how to make money, stuff that, like, growing up in hood, I had to learn, had to figure it out. And so how did your family react when they realized you were going to be flying a different flag than them? My mom, the first, when she found out of his game making, she called the police on me.

I ran away. I ran away for, like, two or three days. After that, came back. She talked to me, and then she canceled every holiday for, I think, two, three years, every single holiday. Like I wouldn't get shit. My dad, once he got out, he took off of me.

And we just ended up fighting. But there was never a part of you that considered not being from there? It's a part of me that was like, do I really want this for myself? Like, am I ready for what I signed up for? But then, I'm like, if he could do it, I could do it.

Yeah, I mean, you're seeing, and how much your parents rejected it like that? Like, that's crazy to just know that it was that important to him. Because I talked to a lot of people who it seems like they want their kid to not be from a gang or whatever, but once it happens, they don't really go that crazy trying to stop it. What's like your mom get used to it, seeing around it, and like, she's got to do nothing but accept it. Like, this your life is either you could, like, not fuck with your son, or you could accept the fact that you game bang, down to everybody in LA game bang.

it's like, I don't know it's like a poison in the city once you grow up start going to these schools it's mandatory you're going to be in from a hood it's very few like 10% that don't game bang but down to everybody that's in LA down there gang bang, so she'd hang around same shit. When you say it's a poison

what makes you say that and when did you start to realize that what I mean as a poison like example you know like candy it's addictive right so basically it's like addictive poison like we addicted to we like it

but it's solely bringing us down like me off my record is trashed like I didn't try to everything like I didn't want to college I didn't all types of like I didn't want to truck in school

all etc it's just like it's something limited to a lot of things I could be in life because of what I, the choices I made as a kid and I wasn't fully developed. I really wasn't fully developed to make choices. It was more of a, I can say peer pressures. It was more of like a joy. It was like a joy. It's a joy to make money and do the things we do and come back and get recognized. Like, since I always got bullied and never been to center attention, start doing what I did and becoming the center of attention. It's just, that's my poison right there.

I became addicted to it, and it led it to my downfall. Yeah, like, in the hood, I always hear people say there's only really, like, two ways to get respect, which is violence and going to prison. And then I guess a tiny percentage of people are able to, like, make it through music or entertainment or college, whatever. Do you agree with that? You don't get no respect for no music. You don't get no respect for no music. You get respect from how you carry yourself, your demeanor. Like, it's people from everywhere that I never went to jail,

never committed no violence. But at the same time, and people always stand ground. Like, they never let nobody talk to no type of way. They always stick up for their self. They never been like, have no smothering name. They just, no, they're from Hoover. They from there, they're from there. They're gonna leave them along.

If you gotta be doing something, like you're making money, you make it money. But you gotta pick something in between this shit. Like we got all types of things. We got parents, gang members, drug dealers. Pick, if you want to be, if you want to game bang and be something in life, you could do that. Make the set more noticeable in other places, other areas.

Like we don't have a problem in that. We support that. As you've seen the other day, my boys came. My boys, they came support. Feel me? We support anything people were trying to do to bring our community to lie, our community to grow into something better and not just what.

we see every day. I've been seeing my whole life. But your perspective on gang bang is that there may be like a negative side to it, you call it a poison, but then there's also like a positive side where everybody's trying to support each other and help them win? Yeah, it's a positive side.

It's a family. It's a family like is just a different type of bond between blood and the people that really have your back because some of your blood family ain't going to do nothing for you. I know if something happens to me today, I know somebody going to do something for me.

Right. Do you think being from Hoover is way different than being from a lot of other hoods in LA? Like, you hear a lot like who is the most hated hood. How's the most issues with people? I mean, I'd have been around a lot of hoods in different situations. I've seen different politics, different everything. So every hood is different.

I feel like our hood is like it's like it's more we on some, on our own shit. like we don't want to be around people we don't we don't want to click up with niggas we want to game bang like we chose this to take over we didn't choose this to be friends with two niggins we chose this to take over like we want to own all this shit like we want this to be ours so it's like that's like the biggest difference between us and a lot of hoods we want everything they just want to keep their sex and under control and I want to keep everything to be mine and keep it under control and tell a positive way where it's not. no violence going on.

So you're into expansion. Yeah, basically. Is that still the mentality right now? That's the mentality I came up with since I've been in jail. Sitting there, like really sitting in there. It really hit me like my last year. My last year up in there, it just hit me like, man, like, what I'm going to get, what I'm going to keep.

I'm not getting nowhere doing what I'm doing. I'm going to stay right here with a whole bunch of niggas. like so from there I came up with a plan I came with multiple multiple plans and once I got all I just started to see which one work so my question is like from your perspective when you were gang banging in high school and shit did it feel like you were just a bunch of young kids doing it or did it feel like there was older dudes that were able to give you guys orders or tell you about different stuff they wanted you to do or was it really just the the kids running shit. I mean, it depends on who you all are. Me, for example, I ain't nobody ever told me go do nothing. I don't know why, but ain't nobody. And if somebody do, they know I'm not for listening. Like, who the fucking talk to? You go do it. Or come with me to go do it. That's the

best line. Come with me, come to do it. Everything else, no reason, talk to me. If you're not going to come with me come do anything. But the young dudes with like a weaker spirit would get kind of suckered into doing? Yeah, it'd be the weak ones. It'd be the two hyper ones, the ones that like to prove shit to everybody. So it's like that or I feel like they're going out like they worry about what the next person thing. Like I ain't never where. Well, I used to worry about the next person thing. But no, for what? I don't care. Did you find it kind of intoxicating when you were having people give you respect at a young age for what you were willing to do and everything? Did that kind of infect your mind?

Yeah, it made me feel unstoppable. Like, I used to do a lot of crazy shit that I really should have been dead for. Really? Like, I got lucky. I can't say luck, but it just wasn't my time. So you have a lot of different incidents in your mind where you're like, damn, I can't believe I made it out of that? A lot.

down there every day. Like to this date? Like still lifestyle like that? To this day. Probably not every day now, but every other couple days. Like, even before this all blew up.

So that's why, like, as y'all see, like, don't face me, I don't mind coming up here, speaking on the mind coming to, for what I go through this shit every day. This is not nothing like I ain't knew too long from Hoover.

So Jill don't really help? Because, like, a lot of people say that Jill's, Rehabilit. Jell make you worse. I don't care. Nobody said jail make you worse. Being in a one box, a big box

with multiple sales, stuck in there with all niggas for, you don't know how long. Enemies, niggas that's weird. Like, it's all type, it's all you get. It's like,

like, 10 emotions you're dealing with, like 10, like 20 emotions you're dealing with all at once. Because you watch everybody, you got to watch how people move. You got to learn how people move. move you got to because like shit pop off any moment people face expressions this change and you got to catch on to it you don't catch on to it like it's gonna be bad so yeah like that jail

it don't help makes you more mad makes more angry so you got locked up a bunch of times through high school before this most recent bit at least like 10 times and your first one you said you was like another murder charge it was a yeah it's a tent a 10th and what about some of the other charges that you got to charge with, like? So, robbery, burglary. So you were taking shit more often than not? Yeah, that's how I know how to get money. That's how I learned.

That's what I was like. Somebody taught me that. That's the only thing I knew. I was too young to get a job. I'm like, I'm tired of living. How old are you right now? I'm 21. 21.

So what age do you feel like you essentially, like, jumped off the porch? Like 15. I started gaming at, like, the end of my 30 year. end of me being 13 and I officially like full-fledged with it like just like whatever happens happens like 15 and that's when you started racking up all those different cases at that age or it's not me racking up the cases it's just me like doing shit like just me trying to figure stuff out every day daily basis like I don't know I just I don't like to be broke that's not my I like to do stuff

I like to be able to just spend money. So that was the fastest, easiest way I knew. Yeah. I have no father in my ear telling me, like, this is how you, well, my father told me, she told me ways to get money and stuff, try to keep me away from it. But he ain't just laid it out for me.

It's just like, huh, start making him money. Nobody ever laid it out for me. So if you ain't going to lay it out for me, I'm going to lay it out for myself. Was there anybody, like, from your area who you were seeing having success with anything outside of the streets? Anybody who you were kind of looking at as, like, a positive role model, or was that just totally foreign to you at that time? No, I ain't have nobody really positive. I got a couple family members that's, like, real estate agents, lawyers, DAs, all the type of, but that's not really a family person.

So I don't be in their face, like, they know me, they know of me, like, they love me, and, et cetera. but I'm not my everyday family. How did you in Trayway 6K become so close? He got out of jail. So yeah, I did, I think, like, a year, two years in camp. He did some long, like, I don't know. He did it a minute up in there. And then once he got out, my first day that he got out, boom, he banged on me.

I told him my first one of those tiny slapping up. So I told him, like, Tony slapping up. That's a crazy ass name. So from there, he like, like, basically like, oh, yeah, like, we don't bunk like you. Because, like, at the time, it's not that many young nigs from the set. So meeting him, like, the first two. So we over there, like, just stopping up. And then we start going to doing dumb shit, tagging everywhere.

Just doing dumb shit to get in trouble to just be in something. So, yeah, but he keep going back to jail. He always in jail. Right. Like, well, I'm in jail too a lot, but he was jailed way more to be. Right, but he has so much potential as a rapper. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, his rapping, he's different.

He got a unique, it's a unique flow to it. Like, it's a couple of rappers that got unique flows to him. So, like, baby money, I fuck with baby money hard. You got a unique flow. Well, it's a young thread. He got a different flow. Wally, Wally just said he got a different flow. There's a couple of rappers I fuck with that got different flows.

Y-S. Shown of Y-S. Yep. that's my boy he got a different flow he hard he come more aggressive he can go throw it's full like he don't care he throw it's life right there he'd make people feel it right but but since you met like who when you met trey where you guys were all both from hoover already yeah he was both from over i mean he's like one of the more disrespectful young rappers out of la he's more aggressive he's aggressive person you always been on that type of time though like

in terms of your attitude on people that you don't get along with? I mean, I can't say always. It's a couple, like, incidents where, like, it's like, man, I ain't worry about you type shit. But that's only for people that don't like it. Like, you ain't never did nothing to me. You ain't never did nothing to say. You ain't never did nothing to my people.

And you ain't got time to play with you right now. I'm going to go, like, get a, like, with these niggas, the older niggas, the niggas. That's really out here that's doing shit. That's really making my people. people feel it. I'm going to make them people feel it. Gotcha. Okay. So I guess we're kind of

getting to the point where we got to start talking about this other shit because you said, like when you got into this one case, you were 15. So you're still at a super 16. That's when you caught your first attempt. Well, my first attempt, I was 14, 13, 13, 14. All right, so break down that situation. What happened?

As much as you can speak about it. It was just a situation like... In L.A. or... in Compton. It's a situation where a nigga, like, I don't know, he told a nigga, like, we getting into it and he told him to get a blower. So I reacted.

I got to, like, what I'm supposed to do, not react, let him go get a blower. So you were beefing or arguing with somebody and they told their homie to go get a blower? So you decided to... Enemy type of shit. Take this situation into your own hands rather than letting them go get ready?

Why don't let them get ready? You don't get ready, don't tell me. Yeah. So I'm going to get ready. If I'm going, if I'm ready, if I'm going to go do something, I'm going to tell you, hey, I'm going to, no. Yeah. Like, you know what it is?

I know what it is. We arguing, right? All right. So we know. All right. And then, you know, way older than me, I was 13, 14. What the fuck I'm supposed to do? How did you end up getting caught?

They just, I don't know. They just arrested me. They arrest me for the soot at first. But I wanted to jail, I'm sitting there for, like, two weeks. They bring up the attempt. they like, oh, like, you got court today. I was looking like, I don't got court to like next week.

They like, you got court for this new case. We don't know what it is. So I'm like, all right, go to court. And they tell me I'm just looking like, like, it is what it is. But you beat that one somehow. Yeah. They didn't, the first of all, the nigg is still alive. And then they rewind the cameras.

So it's like self-defense type shit. Oh, really well. So, like, they can really do shit to me. And it's like I'm a little ass kid. grown ass man like three times my size like I feel like

wouldn't y'all feel intimidated oh yeah for sure three times your side standing over you your enemy arguing with you I don't know I feel like when I get nervous I react

yeah that's my thing nervous react I don't like having butterflies I don't like feel the tingling no I'm react definitely so okay the night of this

situation there's been a lot of talk about exactly what y'all were up to in that moment whether it was a robbery or if there was somebody that basically paid y'all to go do something how would you describe what was going on that night and maybe even just like take us through the day if you want well i'm not fin to get into detail about too much but it was a robbery nobody sent nobody didn't that that's all false information it's a lot of pages false information, YouTube, like the vlog, false, like, they don't know,

you all know, nothing, y'all talking about, you're just assuming, and y'all just putting shit together as y'all going around, like, and then, like, the way they bring up the situation, and they can be saying, like, rest and peace, something, they'd be disrespectful to themselves. Maybe, like, I don't know, I just, I just feel like, if that was my boy and they're posting them and speaking on the situation like that, like,

feel like you might up too. What's the disrespectful part? Just like I didn't, like, so my manager had me watch a couple videos and shit. And you hadn't seen these videos until you got out of jail? I've seen a couple videos in jail for sure, but I just, I'm not on, no, I don't like watching it. Like, watching people just talk about me. Yeah. Like, that shit, like, it's cool. Like, I don't feel like I'm getting, they're not going to get a reaction on me. It's like, like, like, I want to watch the nigger talk shit about me like. But they'd be putting it together with like saying that there was, you know, a bag with an address that was posted online. There was a photo of him and his friend where you can see the address in the background.

Is a lot of that not true? It's just people putting shit together after the fact. Oh, that point I can't speak about because I don't know how the address got. I don't know how I don't know. I don't know that for. so I can't even speak with that. I'm not finishing air lights, though, buddy. Yeah, because what they were trying to say,

there was two different scenarios that went on. Mike D, which is Pott Smoke's homie, he had posted a picture outside of the house, and then there was a bag that had a Mary's on it that had the address as well. So with that being said, it sounds like it was like a flocking situation that gone bad, but were you guys fans of Pott Smoke at the time,

like to be keeping up with his page? And was it through Mike D's page or pop smoke that the low got dropped? I didn't know them. I didn't know of them. I probably seen one picture of them before and I thought it was a model. I was like, you got a good modeling career going on. I mean, I thought it was just on that route. But then all this happened, I'm like, I wake up in the morning.

I don't even wake up, I didn't go to sleep and it was like, damn, lost. So you didn't know that it was going to be that big a deal until it starts pop up? up in the media and stuff the next day? Like I said, I didn't know who he was. I didn't know who was connected to. I don't know where you're from. I didn't know shit. All I knew is what I knew.

And that's what I made my decision based off. And I was hard too. I was off of bird. So I wasn't really fully aware of anything. A little too much. So. And all the dudes you were with were like approximately your age? around.

Had you all gone on missions like this before? Next question. So it wasn't a situation where, because a lot of people were trying to, so when the situation did happen, it was a lot of speculation of what happened. And there was two people in the house that night with pop smoke that people thought backdoor them and shit. So you were saying that you didn't know any of the people in the house at all? Nobody backdoor nobody.

Let's clear that up. Nobody. I know that 100% for sure. or nobody, backdoor nobody. That, female, I can't speak too much on it, but her, she don't know what she's talking about at all. As far as what, what did she say that you came?

She came out at one point and basically acted as if she believed that it was a backdoor situation and she tried to call out the Mike D dude and act like he was being shady, but it never really seemed like that was accurate. You're saying that that's true, that y'all did not know him. Because how the fuck is a bunch of 15-year-old kids from L.A.

be in touch with older Brooklyn Crip dudes. It just seemed like a stretch from the beginning, right? Exactly. Well, I'm not saying it's impossible to know it, but we didn't know that. I don't even know what he looked like. I don't even know what the feeble look like. Yeah. I don't, I'm not, like, I don't wake up in the morning and pay attention to this situation.

It's in the back of my head. Like what I did, like, I mean, but I'm not every day. That's what they post and what they talk about. I just let's social media be social media. Yeah, they want a reaction. I'm not going to give it to you all. So I just let y'all let them do what they do. You're not getting a reaction on me.

Right. And so, I mean, I don't know exactly like what you're going to be comfortable talking about, but everybody keeps saying that you were the trigger man. Is that accurate? Next question. Can't talk about that? Can't talk about that. Okay.

Even if you wasn't the trigger man, I feel like, because a lot of people were saying it was a robbery gone wrong. No one, and it was, no one was intended to get hurt that night. Nobody's intended to get hurt. Nobody. So do you feel like drugs played a part in the situation? Like, why did he end up getting shot anyway? Like, why?

Especially if- I don't feel like the drugs was part of the situation. I just feel like, you know, we're just kids, being kids, being kids from the hood. And too much movement. Oh, too much movement. As a movement from Pop Smoke? Movement from everybody. In the house?

Too much shit going on. It was too much shit going on. So it's like, it wasn't intentionally. It wasn't on that. pitching a picture in it just being a in and out type of situation or you didn't even know they're going to be home right i didn't even know they was going to be home honestly i just i didn't know once i got there i got there and i got the dribble like a kid yeah i was some petty ass five six months for a robbery i didn't worry about it did you feel emboldened as a 15 year old because

you knew that even if you did get caught for some crazy shit that you're going in for a few years and then you're getting out? No. You hadn't even thought about it? But I waited there, it wasn't though a few years that you get it out. It wasn't none of that. While I waited there, the first words I heard from my, I first had a public defender. First words I heard from the public defender was you probably never see lighted again. Even as a 15-year-old, they told you that right away. At 16. 16. Well, I was 17 because they're right after they arrest me. right after my birthday.

So from hearing that, like, that right there just broke me. I'm never coming home. And I was like, it's what it is. I can't do sit about it no more. How many days later did it take for you to get arrested? Because what they said, it was anonymous tips from New York. It was a minute. It was a minute.

It took a minute. Yeah, nobody who knew who did it for like months after it happened, right? It's base off. Yeah, so how many months was it before? or after? I don't know. It was like five, six months.

They didn't rest us for a minute. And when you were thinking you got away with it? I didn't think I got away with it. I was up like every day, like looking at my window. Like, every time I hear sirens, I wake up with my sleep and look outside the window. I never thought I got away with it. I got too comfortable, yeah. What do you mean by my too comfortable?

I just allow myself to the way I was moving. I allow myself basically like, I had my phone on me the same, like I should have got rid of that phone. I'm just being young, like, man, like, police ain't know what they're talking about. And he's ain't got shit on me. I mean, like, feel me by side and back my mind,

like, fuck, like, they probably got something, but they still ain't have nothing. Like, when I was up in, they have nothing on me. Nothing. And so are you just like sitting around the house kind of hiding out a little bit And you're looking at social media and I'm sure you're like realizing how much of this meant to so many people I woke up when I said woke up I didn't even wake up I had to go to school the next morning I go to school the next morning I step into my classroom the teacher put it right there on the big screen

Damn so what grade are you doing at this time? I was like 10th grade in 11 10th 10th And the teacher's talking about it. Teachers talking about it. So literally the next day after Pop Smoke was killed, the same day, the same day. Same day. You went to school and they're talking about it in the classroom. In the classroom.

And you having a guilty conscience in the classroom. I honestly don't remember how I felt. I just looked at it and just like, I'd make no face expression, none. I just looked at it. What can I do? What can I say? What can I?

I can't go back in time. Another major thing from the whole scenario is They say that you guys Rob Pop Smoke for a watch and y'all ponded for $2,000. So with that being said, it was four of y'all split four ways. That's $500. Was it worth it?

The associate don't know what they're talking about. And no, it wasn't worth, nothing's worth another person's life. But that thing about the watch is kept? That's the cap. They don't know what they're talking about. they just like I was watching that said that was like my third time hearing next so I was in jail that's telling me like oh you like you niggas don't know what you're talking about and then I was watching a video with my manager yesterday I seen

and so I'm just like like media come up with anything to say like so you're saying the rumors about the watch you're only getting 2,000 is cap that's all cap because the night pop smoke was killed He had a whole bunch of money that he was shown on Instagram. He had chains on and stuff, too. So I don't know where the rumor came from, but people were just saying that you only made off with $2,000, well, with the watch.

So that's all cap. From the police report, they said that it was like, I don't know, say $3,000 worth the cash up in there, changing shit, and the watch was stolen. But at 2000, shit, that's cap. and split in 2004 ways 500 500 even being young I'm not going for it

I ain't stupid but next question so pretty soon after you got caught there came this video of you kind of throwing up gang signs and shit to the camera and not seeming terribly repentant it feels like you're

didn't seem like you were sorry or anything for what you had done I know what that word me. I'm talking about with a video. Oh, he wasn't the one in the video. Was it somebody else? There was, like, a video that came out, like, right after it happened

that was, like, billed as pop smoke's killer FaceTime's from jail or some shit like that. It's been so long since I seen it. There was a few jail videos at night. I don't know. It's multiple of us that got posted, so. Okay, that one wasn't you. If it's me throwing up gang signs video,

like I'm from over, I'm going to throw my gang signs recorded. So I don't care why I'm mad, who I'm around you. I don't care for Barack Obama, but I'm around me. I'm thought to set, like, I'm from Hoover. So it's not me being not, like, not feeling bad about the situation and shit. Like, I'm still going to rap what I got a rap. Like, if I'm on the phone with my people,

I'm on the phone with my people. I ain't going to seem sad. Like, well, I don't want to bring my family down when I'm in jail. Like, every phone call I made sure I'm excited and I didn't really hop on the phone like that. I went months down there a year without calling my family. I don't like talking over the phone. ever since I read like that discovery paper

and like start going to like really study my discovery I don't like phones like I haven't been on my social media ever since all that happened like I'll post and get off I haven't been on it I haven't looked at it haven't seen who text me is just too much bullshit I just don't really care for the social media shit everybody says I'm chasing clobo

I don't care about no clob because I knew about the money and another video went viral, I guess you were like eating pizza. Was that you in the video? Like you was eating pizza yet? Because a lot of people were upset. It was like a photo, right? He has a photo.

That video, that picture, I mean, that's to be a jail, like every situation I make the best of it. I was regular. I had pizza. I had burgers. I had everything. Yeah, I was in jail, but I had access to a lot of things, phones, wag spins, puff boards.

The way I am, my personality, yeah, for the situation. a lot of people looking at me like I'm a bad guy, but you don't know me. You know me as a person. A lot of people really fucking me. So me going up into Juneau halls, the way I am, and then, like, I'm in there fighting.

No, I can't say I was running shit, but I'm low-key, like, niggas know, like, he got drugs, he got this, the staff can listen to him, the staff can, like, let him get away with shit. Like, feel me? So, then I was just getting everything. We had tattoo gun in there.

We had, I didn't got caught with over like 20 phones. In like a four-year span? Not even a four years. Like my two years, my two years, I didn't get no drugs, no nothing. But once I hit that, like, once I hit 19, I'm just, I don't know, I just got wise. And I just started really, like, conversating with people, figuring things out and just start getting everything I want to be in there. It just really never became a problem for me. and it became normal.

I got a skillet up in there, and we was cooking every day. We got TVs up in there. We got PS4 up in there. We all smoke in the middle of day room. I got videos of everything and all. It was like basically being out. It was just being around a whole bunch of niggis.

It's crazy because like when you're locked up, everybody obviously is just trying to have the best quality of life that they can. But then when somebody gets locked up for something that the people like decided that they don't like you for, they'll see any little thing, any little luxury that you're getting in there, even if it's a pizza and they'll just use that to be like, how the fuck is he able to have this kind of accommodation? Yeah, it goes.

Social media. So you're young and you go in on the super high profile case, but obviously you're in L.A., so it's like, it's not like, it would be like if you got locked up in Brooklyn, it's like how did people treat you and how did they seem to regard you given that you were so young and were accused to doing something so outrageous. I mean, they ain't really treat me no different.

I went up in there, and for me, everything was how it's supposed to be as being full going around my face. So some staff, like, act kind of weird, but as time went by and they got to know and being around me, they started faking with me. So it was just ended up being, like, courts, like, David, I would high profile keep, like,

but other than that, They wasn't really different. You never saw He Who Shall Not Be Named in there? Mr. Forehead tattoo. Forehead tattoo? Nah, because you was in juvie, right?

Oh, I was in juvie. Oh, right? Oh, man. That would give you start up. That would be the ultimate fade, though. Man, I'm not as, man. Fight. I'm not going to fight.

Nobody retarded. Oh, shit. And he got like, I ain't going to play with that. I know you said that a lot of people look at you like a bad person. Do you feel like a bad person? I feel like things I did as a kid, things I did when I was young. I for surely, I for surety.

I understand what people are saying. I was a bad person. I was a terrible person, honestly. That's how I had to be. If not, it's like you get to. throwing in the shark tank what you're gonna do yeah I don't know I eat sharks I don't care like don't me in the shark tank is whatever it is I mean one thing that stands out to me about it is that we are coming off like 15 years of rap music coming out of

LA that really glamorizes home invasions and like there's a bunch of different rappers that we can all name who have made a lot of money off of pushing narratives about how fun it is to rob people's cribs and that your situation is not that different from a lot of other people who've done a lot of other shit it just went left one way or another yeah i mean it's a lot of people that's in my situation it's just time past and people just not really looking at them it's not on them just mine's just fresh so everybody one knows what's going on feels how they feel but um Social media, like I said, they social media. Do you fear for your life?

No. How come you had all that security with you outside the store the other day? It's just like, that's really how I move every day. If it's not real security, like, I'm with my boy, I'm with somebody or something. Like, that's how I move every day, so it's not me being scared. What about even like your probation officer, parole officer, whoever that was telling you that they were scared for your life? Do you take that serious?

I mean, yeah, let's touch on that subject. Everybody made it seem like come to a house, just bracelet off for no reason. They don't know the situation. I've been out for 10 months, by the way. I've been out for a minute, well, probably 11 months. Yeah, he's going on 11 months. I had so many people hitting me up about that.

And I had to tell him, like, he's been out for a minute. I've been low, like, I try to be a regular civilian, school, work, everything. I had two jobs, everything. It wasn't on social media. But I don't know. It just wasn't for me. You were doing all that because you were required to,

or you just were genuinely trying to just live a straight life? I was trying to go straight. I was trying to go straight lane. Were you working these jobs getting recognized and shit or not? No, well. Because there's all these videos about, you, but it's not like there's pictures of you in those videos, right? It's mostly

just the idea of it. I mean, I got recognized a couple times at the job be like randomly, like it'd be like real random, rarely I get recognized, but there's more people that know me that have been following me before this. Because like before this situation

like I already was like in my hood and my in LA like everybody already knew me. I was been going viral. I was been doing stuff. So I was already known this is just brought the whole real attention. So, um, was it one of those things where everybody in your neighborhood and shit knew about the situation before you got caught?

I don't, honestly, I don't know. I stayed to myself. I just, after that, I didn't, I didn't talk about it. I didn't, nothing. It was nothing to be said, nothing to talk about, nothing to brag about nothing. Nah. What were you doing when they came and got you? Yeah, break that day down.

So I was at, I got this room. I got this room, and I got this room in Ontario. And when I got the room, I had a female come over. You don't know how that goes. And, yeah, I got a call at like 3 in the morning for my mama. She like there's rated thousands. I'm like, oh, like, what could it be for? Because I into so much shit, I'm like, what could it be for?

And my brother called me like, I think it's that. They're taking pictures, everything, everything. So now I just get up instantly. Wake her, like, let's have to go. Like, we got to leave. My boy was across from us, so I wake him up. We go downstairs. I walk the bitch to the car.

When she get in the car, she pulled off and I hop in the cars in the backseat. And then right once we feel to pull off, like cars just came true of us. And I thought it was my ops. And I'm lacking, so I just like, and she like drop. Like, oh, like, it's over for me. But then I started seeing helicopters. I'm like, they ain't never coming like that. I'm like, hold on.

I'm like, oh, that's the police. I'm in my head like, they got me. But then once they arrested me and said, they had a, I asked him like, when I'm gonna arrest it for. They like, it's a warrant, a warrant, so I'm like, I'm on probation, so I probably did. So I'm like, they ain't coming like that.

They take him to the station, they put me in there with some, like some niggie. And when they put me in there, some nigginsely, he asked me, but I said to ask me, like, well, he didn't ask him, like, what you're appearing for? I'm like, I'm appearing for a warrant. And he's like, he's like, oh, all right, I'm like, what you have been here for?

He's like, oh, I'm up here for stealing a candy bar. So from there, I'm like, a niggist still in the candy bar. Like, now you're going to go to jail for that, nigga. They're going to have you pay for it. They're going to give it back. You got to steal a truck of candy bars. Exactly. So I, like, I'm just looking at him.

I'm like, oh, all right, like, you're going to go home. Like, they haven't released you right now. I don't even know why they arrested you. And he's like, yeah, boo-boo. He's like, so, like, kept back. I got into my case, so I started getting mad. I'm like, bro, like, why you keep asking me on my case? And he's like, oh, no, they just making a ruckus outside about it.

Oh, and then I get a knock on the door. But not a knock on the door, I just hear the door locked. And I see a lady, a lady had came to my house before with my P.O. and showed me a paper of him. And I just, like, looked at it. I don't know nothing about it. But she had the same lady came with the paper. And she was like, yeah, like, you're here for this.

I'm just look. Oh, you got the wrong, I don't know, just talking about. And she was like, yeah, we finished it. Boom, close the door. I started getting mad, I was getting irritated. And the nigga asked me, like, oh, so you're here for Wootty, whoop?

I despised out on him. I like, knock you out. And I'm like, why are you my business? Boom, they hurt the ruckus. So then I stopped the fucking police to open the door and take them out. So from there, I'm like, like, that's an informant. That's a snitch.

Yeah. Because the rumor was, that you actually, that one of them were y'all told on y'all to the informant that was in the cell with y'all. They said it was you or one of the miners that was in. No, it wasn't me. I have no snitch allegations of my name. Yeah. It was a situation of one of them.

I spoke a little too much in the investigation room, but not an investigation. Not in the jail cell. He spoke it to informant. Yeah, he spoke a little too much, but it didn't really, he didn't speak. It wasn't nothing outrageous. So it wasn't, you're not making it a big deal. Like, you just shut up, but we're young, so he a kid.

Kids get excited about, you know. And you were the youngest one on the case at the time? I was the second youngest. Second youngest. So one thing that I saw that I thought was like pretty crazy, and he got mad at me last time I brought this out, shout out you, Treyway. But he had songs where he was like directly shouting out Pop Smoke's ops within New York.

And even now he's like been doing music with 22Gs. It was like Pop Smoke's enemy while he was alive and everything. Where did that come from? I don't really know the politics behind the story. social media like um you know what was it name two jes two two two jes yeah i don't know what he looked like i i probably heard a song but i don't pay attention to that like from new york that's really the only person i know it's him because of the situation i don't know i'm not trying to look oh who with him nah i ain't got time for that that's for what yeah but there was a lot

recently that just happened where people thought it was you but i guess it was one of your homies or cousins or somebody that kind of looks similar to you and you were on live with someone from New York named Relly and there was words exchanged about the situation that happened and I think maybe your homie he kind of like got a little disrespectful really what was this scenario so the nigga real really whatever name is an annoying that niggas annoying as fuck and they been hitting us up days blowing us up consistently Text and text, you're a bitch, like, you're not going to tell, like, y'all, like, New York deserve explanation. So, me, I'm ignoring, like, like, I said, I don't be on my phone.

Like, I don't, I haven't been on Instagram. So I'm really not paying attention to it. But I guess he was doing the same thing to my twin and my twin. And so, like, basically call him, like, bro, like, why you keep bugging us? Like, we got real life shit going on. You bugging us about this? like we already got like all these social media bugginers like nigger and he like basically i guess he recorded and then he like like you deserve new york explanation so that is triggered my twin like

like nigger explanation like i'm from hovel niggi i don't deserve nobody nothing my twin don't deserve like so so for me he reacted he reacted he wasn't supposed to react that way and it's just from over. Like, niggas stop coming over, question, stop coming there, talking on the high power shit. Like, we're not scared of nobody, we're not scared of none, y'all, like, we got enemies out here, we got enemies next door to us. You across one other, whole other state,

like, yeah, you could come out here, of course you can. But right now, like, you're not our concern. Like, we got real life beef, like, shit just happened yesterday, we got real life shit going on. Like, it's summertime, niggas is dying. and it's like, so, you know, my 20 is supposed to be here to address the situation, but we're going to try to talk, we're not on some disrespectful type of shit. It seems like you're in kind of a complicated spot because you feel bad about the situation,

you don't want to glamorize the situation, but at the same time, when it comes to the gangbanging shit, people will use any little bit of weakness to put pressure on you and to try to, like, you know, use it to like grandstand and shit on you. So you're in a position where you want to express that you're sorry about it, but then as soon as you kind of show a little bit of weakness, people are going to use that against you. Let me clear that. I'm not sorry about nothing.

No, it should never happen, but I ain't sorry. If I could go back, I'll go back, but I ain't sorry. Like, niggas die every day. Like, he was rapping about it. All the type of shit. So I ain't, I'm sorry about it, but, you know, I'm some condolence into the family. And I wish it never happened. So do you regret going to the Airbnb that night?

I don't regret nothing, but I wish I never had me. But when you say you're not sorry, well, you just, it seems like you're acting like, this is just the circle of life. This is how it happens. No, it's not. I'm not making this small thing. It's just, I don't know, growing up, I just, my people, my family told me, you need sorry for shit, and whatever you did, you did it for a reason and stand on it. So it's like, yeah, I did it, but it wasn't like we all went to go through that. so start making me feel like

so a lot of feel like people need to start making me feel like I got something something to like I owe something I'm sorry I'm sorry well like for example

if I was driving home later and I hit somebody with my car and they died it's not like I did anything to go out of my way to make that happen that is just kind of part of what happens when you drive cars

is that at some point somebody's going to get hit somebody's going to die but I would still feel horrible about it even if I didn't go out of my way at all yeah you right horrible yeah that's a better word for it yeah I feel horrible for it I feel horrible for participating in the whole situation yeah that's that's a better

word then but I just I just can't tell nobody I feel sorry and like even like when I got released I read to the judge I read a whole like um what's you call that we just call them letters when you write it to the witness okay right to the family I wrote a whole letter for them. I don't know if they got the message. Like, got what I wrote. They weren't in the courtroom or anything? No, there wasn't a courtroom.

They said they're going to try to give them a message. Or they're going to give them the message. It's up to them to, feel me, if you don't want to read that. I understand. But. And they didn't read the message and they watched this. What was in that message? I don't know.

I can't remember from top of my head. Like I said, I've been out for a minute. And a lot of stuff be going on. I don't know if I got into my room, in my room somewhere. Probably in my backpack or something, but I got it somewhere. But I actually wanted to address the situation

about the Ankener, because I got off topic. Right. Because I'm a little hot. But so everybody's saying that I cut off my house arrest, monitor to go back to jail, all type of assumptions. I was on house arrest for 30 days for, of a lot of violation. So they put me on, they put me on house arrest.

I did my 30 days of house arrest. They told me they were going to take me off. I was on house arrest for my birthday. They said, they're going to take me off. They didn't take me off. They told me like, you got 67 more days on there. So from there, I'm like, like, you're like, I'm doing 67 days.

Like, I just go to work, boom, live my regular life. But then, like, I woke up and then all this, just start hitting, like, all. on my phone, I was like, the fuck. I'm like, down my P.O., everybody don't see this. And like, this is what the courts were scared to release me for. They didn't want to release me because of this. So now that this is coming, I'm like, they finish how to,

they're trying to take me to jail. So I'm just, I'm ready to cut it off, but I'm just like, no, I'm away. I want to see what they own, see if I can make the situation, like, turn it around. Like, that wasn't me. Like, they posted my birthday picture with what I'm supposed to do. but it's like I'm not gonna go back to jail and nothing to piece me up off the streets I'm like no

so you calling your ankle monitor off that was recent? Yeah that was that was like last week so not people call me and that's what else he saw the video and called you it was a girl right as a girl she saw

I guess first my lawyer hit me my lawyer hit me and told me the DA filed a violation this is the same violation and they found out one month. So I'm like, fuck. Like, they from taking me back to jail. Like, I haven't committed no crimes.

Like, why are they trying to violate me? So, boom. I guess a lawyer called to tell me, like, we got court tomorrow. But, like, I can't be a lawyer no more because I already had to pay a lawyer, had a hundred thousand other lawyer. She, like, already stuck through the case

and on one violation. I can't go to the next violation. Like, it's not in the contract. So I'm like, fuck, like, and I gotta show up there with a public defender, like, so I'm just thinking, thinking. I'm waiting all day, waiting. I get that call from, PO.

I get a text from my PO, she's like, call me. So I'm calling and we talking, she's like, what happens, what's going on? I tell her, like, I don't know, like, I'm all over social media for, you know, my situation, and she, like, like, well, like, I fear for your safety, like, let me take you back to jail, basically.

like what like you gonna go back to jail they call you right now say let me take you to jail you're going back to jail for your safety and you feel like and you feel like you're safe if you feel like you're safe and then I'm not turn man

no I'm not going for it because that means you keep me in jail however long you feel like it until you feel like it's safe yeah no I'm not it goes on with that so how did the picture go viral or people found out you were out of jail

it was just on you on your birthday and you decided to make a post? I mean, there have been situations where they repost the picture and it'll go viral but won't catch too much attention. But I guess my birthday pictures

that I posted on my page they reposted it. Yeah, does that feel crazy that to a decent percentage of the hip-hop fans, they look at you as like pure evil. Like you're just a monster. I mean, look at

King gone. Right. F, B, G, Doug, I think that's his name. But I feel like people look at those situations differently because they were in a gang war, killing each other or killing their ops, whereas this, to most people, just seems like a completely random situation.

Yeah, it's random, it is. But, yeah, they like the music that these people giving out, talking about killing people, right? Right, they influence in this shit. They want to beat this shit, right? right? Well, I live this shit every day. I gotta figure out what I'm gonna do every day. Like, people don't know what I go through. People don't know what I don't know what I'll go through. But I know, like, I got, like, I gotta, I gotta duck the police now for my safety.

Like, that's just crazy. And then my P.O. tell me that you posted my address. I said, nobody knows my address. She sent me a screenshot of a comment We got his location What the fucking fucking? I'm talking about my location And was it just random? Was there somebody saying that? They had it?

There's just somebody saying it's just, you know, just being Social media And they send it all to court A whole bunch of shit, they said Like I got the whole shit I got the whole report that they wrote up To take me back to jail

And I'm just like, This is crazy. You got really feeling? Nah. How is your mentor nowadays? How do you, like, cope? Like, what are you doing? It seemed like you'd be off the purse or something,

like to cope with all the shit you go through? I smoke. Well, I just started back smoking. But I smoke. That's all I do. Smoking weed's enough to get you, like, through all the shit you've been through? Smoking weed, keep me level-headed.

Keep me throughout the day, like. No, I can focus. I could get through today. Like, I can get through the day without smoking, but help me get through the day easier. Because I'm a mellow type of person. I'm chill. I like to peep everything before I get comfortable. So, yeah, so like with somebody, like, I don't know. It's just mellow. I don't.

Yeah. So if you could say anything to his family and friends, What would you want to say? I just want to send my condolences and apologize for my actions that I made. I was a kid. That's just, there's no excuse, but that's just the way I grew up. That's the way I had to know how to live. If I could, I would go back and fix the situation.

Yeah, I respect that, man. You were super young, and, you know, a lot of people spend the rest of the life in jail for doing something similar at a young age. If people are freaked out by this or troubled, it's probably partially because of the fact that they are just used to people going to jail for the rest of their life for this type of situation. And somehow you were able to avoid that. But, I mean, honestly, you do seem like you have a pretty level head on your shoulders, despite everything you've been through. So I definitely think there's probably a lot more for you in life. for all the kids that's listening because a lot of people are going to be tuned in watching this

you kind of were explaining like how you jumped off the porch to like an early age and you was making open the decisions that you probably don't agree with now for all the kids listening that's probably in a similar situation and they might be going through something what would you preach to them about this lifestyle? This is not what y'all won't like it's really not what y'all. Just like what y'all see in the movies. real life. Like and it's as cool, it's fun, but it gets serious real, real quick. And a lot of people vote. So just stay in school and not even stay in school, stay in sports, staying

something to discipline. Because you ain't got no discipline, you're going to fall into this shit. And not saying you're in the my situation, but it's really only, it's really only, it's really only two ways out. That's what you want. By all means. Would you go to New York, or is that out? I mean, yeah, I'll go. I'm not. It's not in my books to go. Like, I'm going to, but it's like I'm not for now.

I'm not for them to piss them off. You know what I'm trying to piss nobody off, for me? But if they come, I'll come. You don't put it like that. If they come, I'll come. Damn. Did you see this whole shit in the news that was basically saying that one of the dudes involved in that night that their brother washed up in a barrel on the beach? This is more... Well, you know, I'm going to sleep in that situation, but that's false information too.

Okay. Yeah, the barrel shit is crazy. It's not every day. How do you feel about Tony Yeo saying that he's certain that you'll... kill again. I don't know what that is. Hmm. He was like 50 cents right hand man.

He's the right hand man. Yeah, yeah. He raps and shit now he does a podcast. Oh. I mean, that's just assumption. You don't know me. Like, I'm not saying that.

I won't ever do it again. But I'm not sitting and intensely going around killing people. None of us is. But I got no plans. K of nobody. Well, that's good.

How do you feel about the state of L.A. right now? Like, in terms of the violence, the craziness. Does it feel like it's horrible? It's horrible. Man, keep your kids in the house. It's not nothing nice. It's not safe. I ain't going to lie to nobody.

It's not safe. When I'm over there, I just, I, I feel safe because of my area, but I know, like, any moment it can happen. So I got to be on point. So let me just say, if you don't got a gun, I'll get one. Are you planning on starting to wrap? I mean, I got plans. Just something to say that.

You've been thinking about it. I've been thinking about a lot. I've been taking stuff of considerations, a lot of offers. A lot of talks to a lot of people. A lot of, I'm going to see wherever this goes, because I'm living day by day right now. That's how it feels? That's what it is.

Explain that, though, why you say day by day? I go to jail any day. Any day. Just for getting caught with something on you or whatever? No, getting a cop regardless. Police pull up. On my name, I'm back. So you got every reason to stay in the crib, try to stay.

try to stay away from the cops. Yeah, type shit. What do you say to the people who feel like you got off too lightly and they wanted to see you forever in jail? They're right. I did get off too lightly. California would be like that now. But yeah, that's how it is California.

That's a bold statement to say. So what do you feel like, what do you feel like you should have, what should have happened to you? Well, I mean, I can't say what I wish happened to me. Yeah. But honest, I wish it on nobody. Joe is not nowhere a human being should be. Like, if you ain't never been and you're talking on a situation,

you just, like, you need to shut up. That's, that shit is hell. That's it. Like, it ain't nothing like to be scared of, but you get like that where you, like, they get like that, but ain't nothing you should be scared of, but it's not nowhere you want to sit for years, months. How do you feel about people saying that you're the fall guy, and that one of the older people who were really the shooters

and that they just sent the young guys to take the blame for it. I mean, we're not going to address who did what. Yeah. Because some of your dudes are still locked up. Yeah. We can't address who they what.

Yeah. I'm not going to detour about it. So you're the only one that's out, though? I don't want to address that. Yeah. Like, whatever social media, find out. find out type of shit? Well, I mean, I respect you

apologizing to the family and everything like that. And at the end of the day, like, this is going to be a lot of people who are looking at you feeling like you look like a grown man. But let's keep in mind that you were 15 when this shit happened. And realistically, you came up in a culture that might not

glorify this particular act, but in general, this type of shit is pretty normal. So, I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see how people react. Personally, it's like, you know, I understand. I met a million people like you doing interviews, most of which you were lucky enough to avoid

the type of situation that you got into. But, I mean, it's going to be a lot of reactions. Like, a lot of people speaking on a lot of rappers, a lot of everything. Like, I didn't even watch, like, rappers speaking on the pitch about the piece of up in jail, like Boosie. I seen Boosey. I seen that up in jail.

I seen him talking about the situation. Like, saying I got, what? I think he said I got four years. Time served. I didn't get no time served. I didn't get that one day served up in there. But what, Bussey was pissed? That you weren't doing more time?

No, I didn't see, I didn't say Boosey wasn't pissed. I can't say he was pissed. I didn't see him speaking in a situation. I don't know his feelings. I don't know how he felt about the situation. But I just seen how he spoke up on it. And just, right now, like, he's assumed that I'd be a rapper. Like, just speaking, what he,

and what he thinks and what he thinks he know about California law, just stuff like that. And it's a whole bunch of rappers that, like, spoke on it. I just can't remember names. I'm not really into, I don't know. I'm not really into watching famous people. Yeah, there's a lot of people who could say whatever about you, but I don't feel like Boosie with his criminal records necessarily one of them.

Because I just seen a clip of him the other day talking about how, like, all the killing in his area is basically centered. around rap beefs, but it's not even like well-known enough people that we really know about it. It's like, I don't know, to him that shit is like 100% normal. Like everybody who's in the streets is also rapping. It's pretty crazy. All right, so what you got to look forward to? What are you thinking about coming up?

And what are you planning on doing with this new level of fame that you have, albeit you might have got that fame for a pretty crazy reason? Yeah, I mean, my... don't want to go right now is to turn like the hate into love. Like I know some people are gonna feel how they feel. But all that for the people that don't know, like don't even know the politics, by the situation, don't know the person, don't know me, don't just be a fan and be a fan.

Don't, there ain't reason for you to be speaking up on nothing weed, the streets got going on. So, but I don't, I don't, I'm not here to talk shit about nobody. I'm not here to poke the bear. I'm not here to do none of that. I'm here to be me. I'm here to be Block Store.

Like, this is my life. You've been offered acting on the table? Huh? You've been offered acting roles? Oh, yeah. While I was in jail, they had came to my cell. And I had talked with somebody, and they had brought a contract up in there for a million.

Me and one of our current partners, we was going to, basically, it's trying to do a documentary on the situation. Oh, wow. We was going to do it, but we ended up now. We end up holding off. Because we're like, we're not like, we're not trying to really speak on the situation too much. And I know documentary, they go on every piece of evidence. And I ain't got that for them. I ain't got nothing for you.

Did you see the documentary 50 cent made about you or about the situation? I've seen parts of it. I ain't, I'm really trying to watch all that. Stay to myself. You know, I hear what people tell me. You know, I'll see little videos, little snips, but I haven't watched the full thing. I feel it. For sure, man.

Well, I mean, I wish you the best of luck with everything going forward. It's kind of crazy because it's like I feel like people are going to judge us so harshly for being willing to have a conversation with you. But from my mind, it's like, we're going to be seeing each other either way. Some L.A. shit. When Treyway gets out, you know, I'm going to be with him and shit. So it's like, for me, I feel like it was important for us to have the conversation just because I feel like a lot of people would have done a bullshit version of this conversation.

But, you know, I appreciate getting to hear your story and everything. It's an important part of hip-hop history, even if people don't like the way it went down, you know? Yeah, for sure. I appreciate for you and interview me. You know, a lot of people don't get this opportunity, you know, so I appreciate it. The show, yeah. I hope you can do something with the energy you get. Hopefully, we're going to see.

For sure. My condones is also everybody involved, Pouselmaudanis, everybody. I see my condolences, too, to everybody, to everybody, postmark family, friends. All right, appreciate you, man. Thank you, Rimo. No jumper. We out.