No Jumper - Bryce Crawford & Adam Spar over Jesus, Donald Trump, Nicki Minaj & More

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

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bro thanks for having me it's been a minute oh my pleasure man miss you man miss you too thank you yeah we are all right let's go no jumper coolest podcast in the world and so after two appearances one of which was actually distributed to the world on your podcast yep which is the bryce crawford podcast yeah you got the brys crawford uh youtube channel uh here we are now i've got you on no Jumper, welcome to the table. Dude, thanks for having me. And I got to say, you were the man for coming on a second time when our footage got corrupted. Yeah.

I appreciate that a ton. No, it was my pleasure. I appreciated that. You're a very persistent guy because I wasn't really trying to do it or at least I was trying to push it back until the point where I like couldn't really remember what we talked about the first time. But you hit me up a couple times. I'm like, all right, I got to go back.

Thanks for doing that. I actually meant a lot. So thank you. No, yeah, my pleasure, man. So how's everything going in your life? It's been a minute. I actually, I feel like I ended. I'm getting one on George Janko's podcast because of the fact that our, my appearance on your

podcast did so well. Oh, dude. Well, that's great. Yeah. I love George, man. I'm glad that you guys got to chat. And that was, um, that was almost at in LA. Uh, yeah.

Like, I don't know if it's his house, but he was like some apartment that I went to that he was filming out of. But that was cool because I never got a chance to meet him before. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that was great. Yeah, I actually watched it. That was so encouraging. I was, I love you all this conversation.

It was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm hyped to hear that, man. Thanks. So, okay. our podcast was not a year ago maybe eight months ago yeah yeah actually it was over a year ago it was yeah time flies man um what what's been going on in in your life since then before we get

into your old story and everything well i i got married in january oh wow so thank you thank you i got married in january we've been doing podcasts so we've we've increased a number amount of podcasts and you know we're traveling going in the street talking to people about jesus and stuff like that So just increasing the impact, increase in volume and everything in between in marriage and friendships and getting used to L.A. and all that stuff. So yeah, it's been great. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. Wait, you're how old? 22. 22. Throughout my life, the vast majority of people who I've seen that got married in that sort of like 20, 21, 22 zone, historically almost never works out. So, but my, my, my, my, my,

are that your relationship is going to go the distance. What made you feel like you wanted to get married so young? Well, I mean, I'm a Christian. So, like, I wanted to, like, have that commitment. I wanted to make a commitment to my wife. And so we dated for two years. And she's Christian as well. So I kind of watched, like, how she lived her life, how she dealt with hard things, like how she spent time with Jesus, how much Jesus was a priority to her and stuff like that. And so then just making that step of commitment was just one way I wanted to honor God was just to commit myself to my wife. And then we got married in January. And dude, it's been the best thing ever.

Really? What changed with the marriage? Well, the Bible says he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord. So they're like the Bible just says that you get this grace from God when you get married. And I got to just see this new perspective of God's love for me because of getting married. Because the Bible describes Christ as like the bridegroom and believers as the bride. And so that imagery kind of came to life for me when I got married. I guess like the precautions are the reasons why I would kind of advise the average person not to get married so young is because I feel like when you're 21, 22, I know even for myself, like I change so much between 22 and 32. And I feel like a lot of people are not even really started on their journey of discovering who they are when they're at that age. And I feel like the more life experience you have, the more likely it is for your relationship to work in the long run. Like for me personally, by the time I got married,

when I was 36, I believe it was, maybe 37. I felt like I was ready for it because I had lived so much. Partying was just like over for me at that point. I was just like completely done with it. You know, the allure of more and more women, which obviously I'm aware of the irony that I do what I do for a living. But, you know, a lot of that had kind of gone away where I felt like much more like complacent or like ready to be in a long-term relationship.

and I feel like a lot of people that I know when they're 22 just have so much living to do. They change so much after that. But do you feel like the time that you could have spent hunting for the best possible option in a wife, it's better to just get into the relationship. And then any issues that you run into, if it's maybe not the perfect parent, God is going to come in and sort of help you work through those things. Well, I mean, I don't want people to rush into anything. I definitely think I like the.

idea of people getting married young and having kids. I like that idea because number one, when you have Jesus in the center of everything, you're allowing from the Christian perspective, the God that created everything to lead your life. I think it's a great leader to have. So you're allowing him to kind of dictate the decisions you make, the peace you move on, things like that. But number two, like as a Christian, I try to surround myself with people that aren't impressed by me. You know, like not yes men. I would assume that you don't want to surround yourself with yes men either. Maybe a few. You know, like he's like looking at everyone else in the room. Yeah, you know, like you don't want to surround yourself with people that aren't impressed by you.

And so like I surrounded myself with a lot of good mentors and friends that would have been like, hey, you probably shouldn't be with her, you know, or you should be with her. Or she's great. And I brought around my family and my friends and got their thoughts around my mentors and everyone had nothing but great things to say about her. And then we invited people into our life to be a part of our story and the good and the bad. And so that helped making the decision, you know, so if you find someone that you feel like you want to marry, I mean, obviously as a Christian, you've got to test it with scripture, be equally yoked, sure you guys are chasing the same goal, which is Jesus.

If I married a non-Christian at 22, then my relationship wouldn't work out. Given how Christian you are, yeah, definitely you wipe it up a Muslim woman. It does not seem like the path forward, yeah. If I married to anyone that wasn't Christian, it just wouldn't work out, you know? Yeah, I mean, what are you going to do? Just going to debate it all the time. But sometimes you do, like, especially with older couples, like, I've known some couples over the years that are in their 40s or 50s and just completely on opposite sides.

of the fence, uh, religion wise and they just doesn't seem to bother them, which is very strange to me. All right. But like, I could kind of understand like an atheist and like, maybe like the other person's Christian, but doesn't take it that seriously or isn't talking about it 24-7 and maybe they can jive, but like Muslim and atheist or Muslim and Christian or Jew Christian, it's like, you just like don't. If either party takes it in any way serious, you don't agree on all of like, Not all, but so many of like the most important facets of what life is. I don't say how it could really work. Yeah, no, for sure.

And like, you know, if we, if I wasn't a believer and I was wanting to get married, I would only be getting married because, you know, maybe I thought someone was attractive or maybe because I could benefit off them. But you, you know, like as you get older, it's not about how your body looks, you know, like you grow older, people adapt. You, you know, we get different hobbies. We do different things. We grow and we get old.

And then, you know, by the time I'm 60, I know that my wife doesn't like me because I'm going to be bald and have gray hair and maybe a hunchback. You know, it's like she likes me for me and my personality and we connect and we go deeper and we relate to Jesus. And so I think that's why, that was a big reason why it was easy for me to get married young. It's because I knew like our priorities were not temporary. You know, it was Jesus. That was the rock. And then everything has been built off that.

She's still in college or she's, she's. No, no. She wasn't in college. I graduated college. Yeah. So I did college and stuff like that. But she was not. Okay.

Yeah. Interesting. How much of the decision to get married is based on the fact that you were saving yourself for marriage, I believe, right? It actually had not as much. Yeah, I was saving myself to marriage. And you know, I never let one sneak in before you got real into Christian. I never had actual legitimate sex until I became a Christian. But some sin behavior? Yeah, before I was a Christian. Yeah, I struggled with watching pornography. I struggle with stuff like that. I made decisions with girls, but I had never had actual sex. So when we were getting married, Like, yeah, that's obviously like a great benefit, but that wasn't like my leading leg. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to get married because I'm like trying to get down at bed. And honestly, like, I, that's why we dated for two years. You know, I feel like if that was like the ultimate decision, we wouldn't have, we would have dated for like less than a year. You know what I mean? And I think that's a very shallow reason for somebody to get married just because like if you're like, I think it's so cringe if you're a Christian and you're like, I want to get married. That's a really bad reason I want to get married. You're making like a lifelong commitment to someone just so you're a Christian and you're like, I want to get married. You're making like a lifelong commitment to someone just so you're. You're just so you're. You can have like, you know, sex. It's just kind of silly.

But, yeah, that was not, that was like a blessing and a benefit. But yeah, not the reason. Definitely. Okay. Like, you said that she's not a yes man or that she questions you and stuff like that. But like you being at the forefront of being, you know, realistically, probably one of the most popular Christian content creators, at least on YouTube and everything. I'm sure there's tons of people I don't know about.

But to what extent do you feel like? you need her to kind of be questioning your decisions and what you're choosing to do with your business and your career versus just being fully in your corner supporting you every step of the way. What's that balance like for you? Yeah. So she's like my strong tower. Biggest champion. Love like loves the mission, loves Jesus, wants to see people know Jesus.

So we're right there. And she's about it. Now, when I mean like she'll challenge me and sharpen me is like, she'll just keep it real. You know, she'll tell me if she thinks because she's seeing the most vulnerable. side of me because we're the closest to each other. Like, Linna sees the side of you that no one else is going to see. You know what I mean? So if she says something to you, it's going to have more gravity to you than I'm probably looking at you. You should probably cut this out. You're like, Bryce, you don't even know what I'm doing six days out of the week. Right. So it's like that same idea

with Maddie. But Maddie as like from a biblical standpoint, she's trusting me as the man to listen to God to make decisions, not just with our marriage, but with career and stuff like that. So there's a trust factor there. We both pray. We lean into it. Maddie's obviously going to trust me to be the leader. But, you know, if I'm making a decision and she's like, well, I notice this thing about you and I feel like that that may play into why you want the decision, you should check that. Then I'm like, oh, wow, like that's good. You know, sometimes it stings a little bit, but I'm grateful for it. So you consider yourself the leader as the man in your marriage? Like, do you consider your marriage to be 50-50? Or is that not really like what the Bible prescribes?

Well, what do you mean by what do you mean by 50-50? Like, I mean, you know, I feel like, okay, almost nobody like starts a business and makes it 50-50 because of the fact that at some point you have to have a stipulation in the ownership agreement by which like if there's a really hard decision to make that one person is going to be able to like be able to make the final call like let's say you're both split on a decision do you feel like as the man the Bible prescribes that you should have a different level of authority in the relationship well yeah so the Bible the Bible would say that men and women have different roles. That doesn't mean like ones of greater or lesser moral value, but we just have like different gifts and different talents and

different roles. So like for the man, when you're getting married, the book of Ephesian says that you as a man should be ready to love your wife the same way that Christ loves us, which is to death. Meaning like, I've got to be ready to die for my wife. That's not my wife's responsibility to love me in there. And it's like, whoa, what is that? But we just have different roles. Like men have different roles. We're hardwired differently. We're built differently. We do. different things. But if I think that God's leading us to a decision, I'm not forcing Maddie, like bending, you know, her arm to listen to the decision. I approach her with the decision. And then we continuously pray on it. You know, it's not like, you know, God shines a ray beam down

on something. I'm like, oh, we're doing this no matter what. It's like, okay, if we feel like God's calling us to something, then we're going to keep praying into it and leaning into it and talking to mentors and wise counsel and stuff like that before we make a decision. But she's obviously going to trust me as the leader of the household. Because men are typically hard. hardwired more logically. And women are typically hardwired more emotionally. And so that's why like when you look at making hard decisions, if there's emotions involved, like yeah, I have emotions too. But from a logical standpoint, I can be able to say, hey, it probably makes sense for us to do this. Right. Kind of deal. Definitely. Yeah, because I mean, just my sort of cautionary tale that I've seen

throughout my life is I remember in the BMX world when I was in my early 20s, you know, when I was like 23, 24, tons of Christian pro BMX riders who are getting married around that time. And they're relatively young. You know, a lot of these guys are like 24, 25. And I remember they're hardcore Christians. They're straight edge. They're in relationships. Get married.

Fast forward a couple years later. They all got divorced in the same year. They all started smoking and drinking and basically became atheists at a certain point. So I wonder if you worry about the idea that as time goes by, that religion could mean less to you, or is there, are there safeguards in your world to prevent against that? Is that something that you've seen with any of your peers? I know you're like kind of on the younger side of thing. So you might not have seen as much of that. But is that something that you've encountered of seeing people sort of stray from the faith?

Well, I mean, I've actually seen a lot of it a lot more than you would think. Really? When I became a Christian, I met around like 100 people who were talking about Jesus on social media in some form or fashion in different ways. And like almost half of them don't follow Jesus anymore. That's pretty serious. Which is actually insane. Within five years, so from 17 and 22, sprinkled across. And I think there's a couple different reasons why.

I think the biggest thing is if I were to tell myself, oh, that's never going to happen. That would be a danger. If I understand at least anyone has the possibility to fall away from the faith, including myself, then that's a sobering. reality to keep me dependent on Jesus. It's like, okay, this can happen to anyone. But I would say out of confidence, not Arients or pride, like I'm confident in Jesus. And so as I spend more time with Jesus and read my Bible, my faith just increases. My time increases. And so, you know, I can't speak on anyone else that you've met or like their habits or stuff like that. But what I can say is like when I don't prioritize my relationship with Jesus. Because yeah, Christianity is a religion.

it is but out of every religion it's the only religion that offers that actual relationship with the god in the religion like if you look at Islam one name that Allah doesn't have that the God of Christianity has is Father that's an interesting name title that the God of Christianity has that that like the God of Islam doesn't have and a lot of other religions it's just like the God's sitting on his high horse in heaven it's like work your way up to me, but the God of Christianity meets us where we're at. So, like, spending time with him and building the relationship with God is what keeps

my faith sustained. So, you know, I would say, like, if people fall away that were once following Jesus, there was probably some sort of pitfall there, or maybe they made a mistake, maybe they fell into sin, and they got too scared and didn't want to say anything. So they hid, and then it built and built and built so much to a point where, like, then they got divorced, and then all their behaviors started

coming out, and then it's just like, oh, you never know what was going on. And this is the other thing, The other side of that is that those dudes that I'm talking about who sort of strayed from Christianity, whether it was probably in like their late 20s or their early 30s or whatever, a lot of those guys were the most hardcore Christians that you could have imagined. Some of them were like singers and Christian metal bands and, you know, like they're out there. They got their cross on their bike or one of the guys I'm thinking of, like had a whole controversy

because at one point he said, like, I'll grind the rail at a school or a government building, but I'm not grinding the rail at the church. And I remember that being like real controversial because it was basically like, well, if you can acknowledge that it's messed up to damage the metal railing in front of the church, how are you not going to apply that same logic to every other build? Just to put in perspective that like, these are like some of the most hardcore Christians that I've known in their in my life to the point where it was so shocking for us to see them turn away from it at some point.

But sometimes I feel like the extreme nature of certain people's religious beliefs is kind of what pushes them away, whereas like a huge percentage of the people that I do podcast with on here are Christian, but I never hear them talk about it. And realistically, I think like the likelihood of them straying from being Christian is like extremely low because it doesn't really like have that much of an impact on their life. Whereas somebody who really devotes their life to it is quite often the person who just interrogates their belief so much that eventually they're able to kind of poke holes in it. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a difference between emotion and passion, right? Like, our emotion and zeal, I would call it zeal instead of passion to give it a better

word. Like, dude, I got saved 39 times in like three summers in middle school going to church camp. Where to find saved. You know, like going to the altar and praying a prayer, you know, I would go to church camp and by the end of the week, we'd all be like malnourished and crying on the last night where they're preaching and I'd be like, God, I want to follow you, you know? And it's like, malnourished. What? They're not taking care of you at the church? No, it's just, you're eating like bad food and you're like always like outside and running around and doing activities and stuff. But that sounds crazy.

But it's just true. You know, that's how it was. So I'd be like, okay, that's just an emotional response. So again, like I'm making a broad assumption, not just about the people you're talking about, but I'm just in general. It's like when we're looking at people's lives, even Jesus, he doesn't care about noise. He just cares about fruits. There's a passage in scripture where Jesus just like curses this fig tree.

and it's kind of like out of nowhere and people are like, what is that? But the fig tree had all leaves, no fruit on it. And so he was saying like, that's like the Pharisees, the religious guys at the time. They looked holy, but the inside of their heart was dirty. They were wicked. And so, you know, I don't know what walk of life people are on, but I would rather someone be inwardly passionate about Jesus than and not like outwardly expressive than vice versa. but the problem is,

if you are inwardly expressive, you're going to be outwardly expressive, you know what I mean? That makes sense, yeah. Because the greatest form of gratitude for Jesus is telling other people about him. And I mean, most people's version of Christianity is, yeah,

evangelical in nature, where it's not good enough for it to just be a personal thing. You have to kind of want to spread it to people. You know, some people varying degrees of forcefulness with that. You know, some people go knock on doors in other states because they're so intent on spreading their religion.

whereas a lot of people might, you know, only talk about it with their friends and family. I know that, like, I have a lot of, well, not a lot, but I have, like, you know, one side of my family is super Christian. Never said a word about it to me. They know I don't believe. They just don't bother to get involved. And, you know, I even kind of notice that they don't, like, even really, like, mention it around me in situations where they might mention it around somebody else or if anything,

we'll make jokes about the fact that they're religious and I'm not. And, I mean, that's one way of looking at it. It does stand out to me, though, that if they really thought that I was going to burn in hell for my religious beliefs, then they probably would be not joking about it. They'd probably take it a little bit more serious. I feel like you wouldn't really be joking about it. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be joking about it, like, unless like earlier, you know, you made a joke about the irony of like some of the stuff you do. And like, I laughed about that because you made the joke. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to laugh.

But, you know, there, yeah, I think eternity is a big deal. I mean, us doing podcasts together is kind of elephant in the room. We believe that life is going to play out differently after we've been. pass away, yeah. For sure, for sure. But yeah, I mean, I definitely would, I definitely would talk about it differently. But hey, you never know, like a 2026 and a 226 prediction. You could come to know Jesus. I could. Anything is possible. Yeah. I think it's possible, too. I mean, from the conversation you had with Georgianco, it looked like you were, it was cool to see at least the progression of the conversation seemed at least every time I see you

talk about Jesus, you see a little bit more open-minded. Internally, I wouldn't say that at all. Actually, I could say that the hardest things I ever gone through in my entire life. Maybe there was a moment where I sat there and thought, man, it would be nice to believe in God right now. And then I even allowed myself to think, like, could you do it? Could you be religious? Could you be convinced? And pretty quickly, I'm just like, hell no. There's no way. I just, I don't got it in me. I just don't believe. Well, maybe, maybe one day it'll come. I mean, I got to ask because, you know, the first time that you were supposed to come on the pod, you got sick.

I don't know if you remember that. Oh, that was bad. Yeah, that was like my worst sickness in like many years that I was just laid up in bed for four or five days. And that was like the first time we'd ever texted was you were like, dude, I'm sorry, I'm sick. And I was like, do you need me to bring you anything? Like, did that not throw you off that like I, like we had never met?

That was our first text. And I had like offered to bring you soup. No, I mean, I think you're like, that's kind of your code. You're like nice before anything. Like, so was I a little surprised? Yeah, I mean, just because like the average person probably wouldn't do that. I guess just because, you know, especially in this day and age, it's like, you know, everybody's like one postmates order away from having a big bowl of soup. But I mean, it was definitely thoughtful and nice. Yeah. No, the reason, well, the reason I brought it up is because like, you know, those things are other people or the conversation you had with George or, you know, maybe small things that you don't think is a God thing. But I would be like, that's a total God thing, you know, those things in your life, those. seeds that are planted. I just don't think it's a coincidence. I think you will come to know Jesus at some point. I would bet every last dollar I've ever made my entire life that I want. But, and also I feel like the more that I have conversations about Christianity and even, you know, I'm the kind of person,

I still watch the Jubilee debates about Christianity and stuff like that just because it's entertaining. And yeah, there's almost never even a flicker of a second in which I think, oh, this religious person just made a really good point. For me, I could see when the non-religious person is floundering in the argument or whatever, but for the most part, I feel like you could put like a pretty like baseline intelligence atheist versus like a really, really intelligent religious person. And usually I still feel like the religious person gets whooped on by the atheist. I think in some cases it does. I think in some cases it definitely doesn't. But that's why, you know, just in general Christians you got to like read.

We got to like actually read the Bible. Just in general people hop into debates all the time that they're not qualified to be in and it can be kind of astonishing on the internet. How many people think that they're going to win a debate when it's a real structured debate? Like this isn't a debate. We're just chatting. But in content that's like focused around debating, I see people all the time who think that they're going to win off like vibes or just making stuff up off the top of their head.

And it's like, if you want to debate serious topics, you're going to have to do a little bit of legwork. Because especially as soon as you sit and start having a conversation with somebody who's got statistics for you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Here we go. This is usually pretty bad. I just saw a video the other day. It was like a Catholic guy debating an atheist guy.

And the atheist guy quoted some verse from the Bible. And the Catholic guy's like, that's not what that verse says. And the atheist was like, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. And the atheist guy was like, well, can you look the verse up for me? And it was like super humiliating for that guy because he's like, you want me to look up a verse for you that you quoted to try to go against me. You know, so yeah, I think I agree.

It's also just pretty unrealistic to expect even a hardcore Christian to have, you know, huge percentages of the Bible memorized just because it's such a dense document. Yeah, no, for sure. Like I went to a private Christian school. It's like my senior year we had to memorize like an entire chapter, like over the course of a semester and that was a lot. I know some people that have an entire gospel memorized, which I'm just like, I don't know how you do that. Yeah, I don't have that kind of brain. I do know I know people who are able to like memorize extremely dense documents and like, or even like I'll watch destiny,

like spend an hour, a couple hours like researching something online on stream and then he'll just be able to sort of like recite it verbatim. And I'm just like, how do you do that? Yeah, I don't never happen to me. I want a brain like that. I want to be able to absorb information. like that definitely so okay let's rewind the clock a little bit tell us about where you were at that got you into Christianity and how you found God for the people out there who don't know too much about you yeah I grew up in Georgia so I grew up a Bible Belt in the south I went to church on Sunday I went to a private Christian school but I saw a lot of hypocrisy so I think that was like something a part of your story too if I remember from last time we spoke was what kind of hypocrisy we're talking though

Well, I got, I mean, well, first of all, we had people in church environments and my school environment and in my hometown that would tell me to live my life one way. But then I would see them doing the total opposite of what they were telling me to do. And I was a little confused. And then we had a church that was in our city where the pastor at the time had stolen a million dollars from the church, cheated on his wife and ran. Wow. And I was like, if that's the mouthpiece of God, I don't want anything to do with God. And just like, you know, the big hypocrisy was like, that. And then people tell me how to live my life one way.

And then I would like see them out at a, like, you know, they'd be like, hey, don't, don't drink. It's bad for you. You shouldn't get in your alcohol. And I, which I've actually never asked about alcohol, but that's not why. They would be like, hey, don't drink alcohol. And then I'd see them getting drunk at a restaurant on the weekend. I'm like, what is going on? You know?

So it was just like the contradictory hypocrisy. And then. But Christianity kind of forces you into a weird box there, right? Because it's like drinking wine is part of the faith. But getting drunk is something that should be strictly avoided. Yeah, yeah, but then again, like, you know, alcohol is different. Like, I don't know if you drink, but pretty much almost never, but I'll have a couple shots once in a while, like at a party or something just to loosen up a little bit.

But I basically stopped getting drunk in 2019. So like sober mindingness is different for everyone. Like I've never had a beer. So if I had half of a beer, like I'd probably be off the walls in here right now. You'd be surprised. I think if you had a beer, you would understand at least a little bit of why alcohol is so popular. But it wouldn't like, you know, give you a hand. over the next day or anything like that.

But then if you had five beers, now we're talking. Yeah, you're probably going to like really get a vibe of why this is dangerous. Yeah. And if you have 15 beers, you're going to be puking on the street. It's not going to be good. Yeah, I don't think I want it. I don't even think I won't want one. So it's great.

We're, we're chill. If I could take back, I don't want to say if I could take back anything in my life, but for sure, like, drinking is probably one of the things I regret the most in my life. because I think it was so obvious to me in my early 20s that this was not my thing and that I just really like didn't have much of a reason to spend so much time drinking. And I just sort of went along with the crowd because it just became normalized to me over time of just seeing like so many of my friends having a good time out drinking. And I just feel like I would have, I would be further along in life if I had had the gumption to just say,

all right, this isn't for me. I'm going to go to the bar. I'll hang out with you guys. I'll kick it, but I'm just not going to do it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Everyone's different, you know, like some people, I just, I know for me that if I did start drinking alcohol, I would probably have a bad time controlling it. So that's like another reason why I don't drink.

But also, like, I just think it's wise. I don't be, I don't want to be like swayed in decision making. I want to be like sharp and discipline and stuff like that. And so, you know, but, but yeah, alcohol isn't necessarily a problem. It's drunkenness in the Bible. But that was a big hypocrisy that I saw that like rubbed me the wrong way. That was like, okay, we're talking about like don't abuse any substances, but like I'm watching you guys go crazy like in the middle of the week or on the weekends.

You know, what's going on? Then in the eighth grade, my granddad got pancreatic cancer and was in the hospital. And my family was like, you go to Christian school. So you need to go tell your grandfather about Jesus. So, you know, he goes to heaven. And at the time, I'm like, I don't care about Jesus. So I didn't go. and he died in the hospital.

And so that's when I started blaming God for killing my grandfather. So that was like the big, where I'd already been having a hard time with a little bit of depression here and there. But then that moment took me into this pit of depression and anxiety where I had it every day. I was a big people pleaser. I was trying to find myself in things like porn. I told you girls and stuff like that. And I'd never drank or did drugs. But, you know, I was doing a whole lot of different things, sports, trying to find identity, people please.

and I would have been a different person to you than I would have been to him and him so that we could, maybe y'all's affirmation would make me feel good. Did that for about four years. And then at 17, I was going to take my life on a Christmas of 2020. And so before you even get into that,

like what, when I'm picturing like a teenager having this sort of constant depression and stuff, like what would you identify it as? Like, where were the repeating thoughts that you were dealing with? Was it just the fact that you didn't feel

like you knew who you were? But that's not going to drive you to thinking about taking your own life, right? So the depression anxiety would be like, so I would go to school, right? And I was a people pleaser. So I would try to like get everyone to like me. But deep down, I'm like always thinking about like, oh, I'm not doing enough or I'm paranoid that I'm making people upset or, oh, what are people going to think if they actually

know the real me or, oh, I'm ashamed because I have this awful self-worth or this deep sadness in my chest and in my body. So then when I would go home, I would like lay in bed and I would just cry because I hated myself. I hated the way I looked. I hated the way I felt. I hated the way my brain thought. I hated my personality.

I hated who I was trying to be by getting other people. And then I would look at myself in the mirror and I would just hate everything about my physical appearance. And so it was just this mentality. And then on top of that, big part of it was like when my grandfather died, I blamed myself. Because even though I didn't care about Jesus, because of how I was raised in Christianity, I was like, he doesn't know Jesus. He's going to hell. So then I blamed myself because I was like, oh, I didn't go to the hospital when I was asked.

to and he died. Do you think that he would have been accepting of you arguing in favor of Christianity? I'm sure, like, as a grown man, he probably had plenty of people tell him about God, right? Well, so my grandma that he was married to is an absolute saint. Like, she loves Jesus. She's so alive and she's the best. She'd visited the hospital instead and had a conversation with him, and he rounded the corner and put faith in Jesus.

But I didn't found out until later on. Oh, interesting. So I found out after what happened. on that Christmas day, that that's what had happened. Because I was too afraid to talk to my grandma. I felt bad. Like, I felt guilty that, like, I didn't go. And so, you know, I don't think he would.

Because we always had conversations and stuff like that. Like, I say we isn't like my grandma or like my family. Because we all went to church. So it'd be like, hey, do you want to come to church? And he wouldn't come to church unless it was like a major holiday, you know, like a Christmas or an Easter or something. But even then, like, sometimes he didn't show up. But it wasn't like he hated God.

I don't think he would have identified himself as an atheist or anything. He was just kind of like... Yeah. It was almost like he just existed and went through the motions kind of thing. Right. So that was kind of really what the depression was like and anxiety was for me. And then, yeah, I just got to the point where the whole reason I wanted to end my life wasn't because I wanted to die. It was just because I wanted the depression and anxiety to go away.

And nothing I was doing was working. Like none of the escapism, none of the porn, none of the anything was working. So I went to waffle. house for my last meal and I didn't I didn't have a hallucination no one preached to me and I'd never done drugs so I had a supernatural encounter with Jesus where he revealed himself to me and stopped me from taking my life and so I prayed a prayer I just said Jesus if you're real take away my anxiety and depression because this is why I want to take my life and he took away my crippling anxiety and depression I haven't had it since that day it's been over five years and that was like my foot in

the door wow Jesus no yeah that's impressive for sure So how do you get into content creation and how do you get to the point from, do you go from just being a regular kid to getting so much attention on you that you're doing podcasts that are getting millions of views? How do you transcend that? Well, I was doing content before Jesus. Was it the street interviews type stuff? Before Jesus?

Oh, well, that's some of your older content that I've seen is you sort of just talking to people on the street about God. But what were you doing before that? No, no, I still do that. Yeah, so that's like one section. Yeah. So before I was a Christian, I was making prank videos. Right.

Okay. Yeah. So I would like make videos and I would try to sell them to World Star, which is like, that's like some crazy lore. But I would like, I would like try to sell the videos to World Star. What kind of pranks though? Were you doing like deviant sort of stuff or was it pretty tame? It was like pretty tamed, but like I kind of knew how to make it go viral, I guess.

So I, because it was weird. It's like I wanted to make a prank video, but I was like kind of a stickler for the rules. So I like I did this one where I saw, well, actually this was by accident, but this is the one that kind of like helped everything at the the time, I was lighting a firework in my neighbor's yard and it bent over and exploded in the yard and caught the neighbor's lawn on fire. And like I sold that to World Star. And I was doing like fake poop pranks for like a COVID prank where I'd go to the mall and like fake sneeze on someone and stuff like that. Like I would try to do it as harmless as possible or like I would call the pizza guy and get him to come deliver pizza. And then I'd be like, dude, I don't know who to talk to.

But like I'm like I'm in love of my cousin. I don't know what to do. And like, you know, I would like do stuff like that. Which is not evil, but it's probably not godly. Yeah, it's just kind of like it's stupid. Wasting a random person's time. Yeah, I would always feel really bad just like leaving and being like, man, I probably jacked up that person's day. Because I always think about how interesting is that I saw Gideon quickly rising to

becoming like one of the biggest content creators and a huge percentage of his stuff was prank oriented a couple years ago and I was watching all of it. And then he sort of had this moment where he was like, this is. stuff doesn't align with my Christian faith and he just fell back on it. Yeah, yeah. And like, at least for me, I didn't really care about the pranks. It was just popular at the time. It was the meta. Like everyone, like Danny Duncan was huge. So many people. So many people who don't do pranks anymore became huge because of pranks. Fusy, Nelke boys, like just so many of these guys, that's just sort of the way in. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I was, I was trying to ride the wave,

really. But I was getting burned out because I like felt bad and I really wasn't a pranks or hard. I didn't like, like for a lack of better terms, I just hated pissing people off for no reason, you know. So that kind of bothered me. So then when I became a Christian, I had no intention to necessarily make videos. But then I was so passionate about telling people about Jesus because he saved my life. I just immediately started propping up my phone and talking and talking and talking. So share my faith has always been just a part of me on and off camera.

And then in 2024, I started recording. us traveling, going to tougher environments where like I would be the minority. Okay. And where you're going to like the goth parade and stuff like that. Yeah, like pride parade, satanic temple, stuff like that. Burning man. We went to Burning Man, which was actually insane and stuff like that and just like talking to people.

Because then like for a Christian who's scared to talk about Jesus, if they maybe see me navigate a hard conversation with a Satanist, they can invite their friend at 10 years to church. Right. So that's like the plus. and it teaches people skills on how to share their fate. I felt like if I was Christian and I went to Burning Man that it would probably be kind of tough not to be like,

damn, everybody seems like they're having so much fun and enjoying this music so much that I just want to hang out and have a good time. It didn't tempt you to just not to do some wicked stuff, but just to kick it and dance and have fun. Actually, no, that was like the hardest environment I've ever been in probably. Really? How come? Dude, it was like, okay, I mean, you know,

have you ever been to Burning Man? I haven't, but I've watched a decent amount of stuff about it on YouTube. I mean, bro, it's just like a big week-long drug-tripped orgy. Yeah, that probably stands out a lot in real life that everybody's loaded beyond belief. It literally is. Like, I had a guy come up to me and offer me LSD. And I was like, oh, sorry, I don't do drugs. And he's like, oh, then you won't enjoy a burning man if you're not on drugs.

And I was like, well, I'm not like necessarily here to enjoy it either. Like, I'm here like just kind of actually trying to talk to people like you is why I mean. It's in the middle of the desert and you have to get like bust in, right? We would have to drive two hours one way to the desert and then the entrance is like two miles long Yeah in into it and it becomes the second largest city in Nevada for a week right it was insane I can enjoy a a dance party or going to a club and dancing drinking or whatever that's fun but like the idea of just being so isolated in this Camping environment and everybody's just dancing and doing I mean that's just that's too much for me Well no one's so everyone's either drunk higher or both and then everyone's not everyone's

but a lot of people are just naked, running around naked, and just sort of like up to a bunch of crazy stuff. So that was like, that was the toughest environment ever. And that's the irony of that sort of thing that I've sort of realized over the years is that you have these like DJs who are mega celebrities in this world

from just going up there and playing their songs or playing other people's songs or whatever. But typically like they're sober or close to sober. And then meanwhile, the audience is loaded beyond belief. Or like, you'll hear people talk about like EDM stuff and they they like people who take the music really serious don't want to acknowledge that like 90% of the fan base is loaded beyond belief in the crowd you know like they just want like because for me I have really enjoyed electronic music at times typically when I was

like when I was getting really messed up you know that really is helps you enjoy that music a lot I never really felt like that like a rap show like wow I need to be drunk as hell to enjoy this yeah yeah I mean I don't think like housemen music is like evil or anything, you know? Like, I don't think it's evil. Yeah, but it feels kind of like designed to do drugs too. Yeah, I mean, for sure. Just repeating over and over and the pounding of the base is kind of like intended to affect you.

It probably would be 10 times more enjoyable if you were on multiple substances at one time for sure. But yeah, that was like the darkest environment because it would be like you would have like a tent, someone sleeping in next to an electrolyte station next to a bus with blacked out windows with times on when to have group sex in there. Next to literally it was called the orgy bus, next to like an 18 foot moving pirate ship. Wow. That was mobile,

like moving in the desert. Next to another electric light station next to, you know, a museum of naked mannequins or whatever. Next up, it's just like odd. Really hedonism like personified right there. This is like people who are going to this place

to just enjoy the most base sort of human pleasures of the flesh. Yes, yeah, 1,000%. It was like a 21st century battle. Yeah. Doesn't really like stand for anything else. Yeah. It's just pure enjoyment of sin. And people got so, I said that.

Like I got to go on Sean Ryan's podcast and I was like talking about that. And people that go to like the Burning Man diehards were so upset that I said that. Really? And I'm just like if you go, if anyone went there, they would agree with me. Yeah. You know, it's like, I don't care for upset. You get if anyone went there, you'd be like, yeah, he was right. you know and i know what you're talking about too because now that i'm like mostly sober i go to parties

all the time and maybe we'll take a shot or two but for the most part i'm like 90% sober and the people that like i see girls at these parties and they're off molly and their jaws moving side to side and their eyes are huge and they're groaning their teeth together and stuff and i just am constantly struck by the fact that if you're on the same drugs or you're loaded like they are this all seems totally normal, but being a sober person in that environment, it's just like, wow, this is hard to take. Like the idea that like this is how people are operating in this environment. And you know, I understand like go have a good time.

But as a sober person, you just see it through completely different eyes. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I'm grateful that we can enjoy life sober. Yeah. Yeah. And anyone that says that they can't enjoy things unless they're drunk or high is really concerning.

You know, those people that are like, I can't, I can't be social unless I drink or like I can't be social unless I like smoke or something it's just like that just breaks my heart because I'm like oh that's not it's just not true you know yeah and especially like for me I'm a person who I'll take like I used to smoke weed every single day and now I've try I've like really practiced and like force myself to be able to just not do it for a month and just make sure that I feel fine and I'm always kind of shocked by the way that it feels it used to feel so essential to me like I need to smoke to get through the day and now I just really feel like I can take it or leave it.

And if anything, it's probably better to leave it just because as much as, like, weed is kind of like the one drug that is fun when you're doing it. And then you wake up the next day and you're not, like, in pain, like the way that when you drink, you just feel like you're dying the next day. But even that, just like the little hangover, just feeling a little foggy in the head is, I don't know. It doesn't feel like worth it a lot of times. I've heard some people that I know that smoked weed said that, like, they would, it made

them slower. For sure. That's why I like didn't mostly smoke like while like do you feel sharper that you. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Like it definitely just thinking of the next best thing to say, thinking about like where I'm going to take this conversation next, etc.

It feels like weed just doesn't really lend itself to that. And I do. I know people like a burner wrote that book right there is the guy who created cookies, which is kind of like the biggest weed strain of all time. He's telling me that everything he does. He'll smoke, get super, super high and just go to business meetings with important people and all this stuff. And I'm just like, man, I feel like I, if I walk in front of a CEO and I just smoked a blunt to the face, I am a distinctly worse version of myself, at least for the purpose of having a coherent conversation with this guy. You know, like if I'm sitting in my room watching TV or working on my computer or whatever, I can smoke and I'm fine.

But like in terms of doing like serious stuff where you need to interact with other people, I think it's demonstrably worse. Yeah, I mean, I'm always going to be on the side of the spectrum that's like just don't do it, period, you know? Like, I mean, I think that it's interesting when the Bible talks about alcohol, it uses, it says do not be, it says don't be drunk with wine, but be filled with the spirit for it is a waste. I think it's funny how we call it being wasted when we're, you know, super drunk or, you know, crossed or whatever it may be. Right. I mean, one of the biggest changes about drugs, though, honestly, like throughout my life is that when I was younger, if you want to do. to do mushrooms, you would have to, like, get a bag of mushrooms from some guy. And then typically people would just take way too much and just freak out and just have

this crazy experience where you're sort of paranoid and losing your mind, whatever. Same thing with acid. Same thing with, I know, so many people that, like, would just eat, you know, a huge weed brownie and just puke and just freak out or whatever. But now so many people do, like, small amounts of drugs, you know, like in the sense that they have mushroom gummies. And I'll like see people like, oh, I did mushrooms last night and I'll see the amount that they took. And I'll be like, that is so different than what doing mushrooms meant when I was a kid.

Because now people are able to like take much smaller increments of things and have experiences that are probably like much, much better because they're doing a lot less of that thing, which is kind of, that's a huge change between generations, I think. Yeah, yeah. I guess when you say the doing mushrooms, my mind goes to that first example. example that you did. But I would only hear that really like a decade ago. Yeah. You know, that's like, and then that would be what's kind of going on there. But, you know, now I guess the accessibility to drugs has increased, which, which that scares me as a human being because I'm just like, man, I want people to use critical thinking skills. I want them to turn to other things than drugs. I want them to turn to the gifts God's given them. I want them to turn to Jesus,

you know, and all the above. But that's like a good direction from your perspective that the world has gone in is that young people are just drinking so much less you got nightclubs and bars shutting down all over the country because drinking is just not as essential a part of life as it seemed when I was a kid but I guess the other side of that is that I think a lot of the same people that aren't as interested in going out and spending hundreds of dollars drinking alcohol at the bar are maybe smoking weed or doing you know other drugs that are probably a lot less expensive and don't involve like going to this place to pay for it and stuff like that. But I mean, just alcohol use in general is just plummeted for the current generation. Oh, well, that's a good

thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great thing. I mean, I think that has a lot to do with just people wanting truth. Because like phones are such a gateway vice for everything. I mean, you can get anything from your phone. I mean, you just said it earlier. Like when we talked about the soup thing, it's like you could have just door-dashed soup to your house. It's like you can get access to anything think you want in large quantities in such a short amount of time on your phone. I think people are just tired of fake stuff. Like it's it's like beer doesn't do anything. It's like you wake up, you're hungover.

And the only way to get it done is either thug it out or drink more to get over the hangover. And then, you know, you're back again. And it's, well, if the beer would have worked, it would only take one beer. But like, why do we keep having to go to beer? But also people are so much more health conscious now. And beer, realistically, if you were going to get messed up is the only thing that you could get messed up doing that has a really large amount of calories associated with it. If you want to get drunk,

you're talking like a thousand plus calories realistically, whereas like every other drug that you could think of is zero calorie or it might have the opposite effect that's going to make you really not eat for long periods of time. The health movement's kind of growing right now. Are you on like a health kick? I'm always, you know, on the spectrum. It's like I work out every day,

but then when it comes to eating, you know, I'm not as strict as I should be. I'm really tempted by these gLP ones, man. I was thinking about getting on one, but. What is that? It's like OZempic or whatever. Oh, it kind of just takes away your hunger.

Dude, you do not need OZIPC. You look great. But I know so many people are on it and they love it. Oh, that's my biggest pet peeve for the OZMPIC. I'm just like, oh my gosh, go work out. Like that I'm going to get clipped and people are going to get so upset. I do not care. If you are actually, I love OZMPIC for people that actually have legitimate health

needs. that like can't get up, that can't get workout, that can't work out, you need a Zimpic, great. But a lot of people that I know that are taking up Zimpic do not need it, are pumping it in their body, and then they're just addicted to the looks so they're like anorexic and super skinny. And then I'm like, okay, is it really healthy for you or is it not healthy? It's like, just go to the gym. Yeah, but I mean, go to the gym has like always been kind of the easy prescription for people. But I feel like, you know, to a lot of people, the idea, the amount that they,

would have to limit their calories in order to really lose weight is so dramatic and so difficult that it's pretty like understandable for me like why a lot of people kind of can't do it on their own and you know as a person who's like lost large amounts of weight multiple times in my life it almost feels like it's harder now for me to restrict calories and actually like focus on getting in shape because I know that there's this thing that exists out there that a lot of people that I know our on that basically creates the scenario in which you're going to lose weight, which is basically like, hey, you take this stuff, you inject it into your stomach once a week or whatever, and it basically makes it so that you just don't want to eat, you know, that you want to eat

like a very small amount of calories that's super easy to lose weight on. Whereas like, you know, throughout my life, like the amount of self-control it took to lose weight was always like something I was really proud of, but knowing that other people are able to do it. it by just taking this medication that realistically from what I could tell has like almost no negative side effects if you do like the proper dosage that the knowledge that exists makes it harder I think for me to really restrict calories now which is hard I have to like figure out how to get around that if I want to really lose weight no I kind of know where you're saying I you know again I don't have the problem with people who actually genuinely need ozimic taking ossema because I have friends who have

lost hundreds of pounds. People were like morbidly obese and probably will live 10, 20 years longer because of that medication, which yes, they could have worked out and gone to the gym and ate healthy. But realistically, a lot of these people were trying that for like 20 years and just couldn't pull it off. And then this basically magic trick. Yeah, I am I'm grateful for that. But most of the people that I know are taking it do not need it. And in my opinion, like a woman is not going to be attractive to the cheap route. A woman likes discipline. And so, when they see a woman going to the gym, dialed on the diet, actually working out and not making excuses on being like, oh my gosh, I'm going to like, you know, go, you know, I'm going to go pop a needle

and take Ozimpic and get super skinny, you know, a woman doesn't want some like super skinny guy. One woman wants a disciplined guy when it's got hard discipline because that discipline overflows outside of the gym into other areas. Such a huge percentage of the people I know on Ozambic are women. Oh, see, it's the opposite for me. I only know mostly dudes on Ozzympic. Interesting. So, well, granted, you do work with a whole lot more women than I probably. But not just the porn stars and stuff. I'm talking just like moms, Valley world or whatever. We all go out to eat. And I'm noticing like, she just ate half a hamburger and like six fries. Like for sure, for sure, her appetite is probably bigger than that if left to its own devices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. I'm just like, oh, man, dude, I'm so glad you brought this up because I'd been having this conversation so many times with so many of my guy friends.

because they're just like taking Ozimic as a cheap way out. And I like, dude, that's so unsustainable. Why? But what if it is sustainable? Because I know people who've been on years and years and don't seem to have any kind of negative health effects. And that is what kind of sells me on it is that like, granted, like the way I grew up of if you want to get in shape,

you got to work out and you got to do cardio and you got to eat strict. And, you know, like that's how you lose weight. And so it does seem kind of cheap. But when you see a medication that seems like it's able to help people so much with like no negative health consequences, which granted, we don't know what they might discover about it 10 years from now. But based on everything I've seen, it's kind of like, it's hard for me to find the negative side of it. Because I think we're so used to so many drugs having this negative consequence. Like, yeah, if we were both on steroids, we'd be big and strong and that would be great.

But it's super easy to figure out what the negative things associated with steroids are. I kind of feel like Ozzympic and all the other GLP ones are kind of not like. that where there isn't this negative thing associated with it. Well, like, I mean, again, you know, we don't have like a lot of study on O-ZNPIC. Same with like peptides. Like right now, everyone's amped up on peptides. It is a peptide. We just, like, I just mean like peptides at other peptides in general.

Like we don't have like a lot of research on it. But, you know, like the sign of taking the cheap way out to me is a sign of laziness. And laziness breeds a whole lot of problems more than just like taking a cheap way out. Like whenever, if I am getting lazy, that is a sign that like sin will probably creep in my life. And so if I have friends that have an able body, that have bones, that have a body that they can actually be disciplined with, and they have good social skills, and they have the capacity to go to the gym and work out, and they can be dialed on a diet. And then they're just like, pop and Osimpic as a magic trick because they're lazy. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me, bro.

Like, actually go to the gym and work out and do something hard because that's what men do. If you want to be a boy, you can go take the cheap way out, if you have a good body and go pop Osimpic and be laser or whatever. But if you want to be a man, someone that loves God and wants to honor God God with your body, you're going to work hard, be disciplined, go to the gym and do those things. But what if you do all those things and then you're also on a GLP one? All those things, but you wouldn't need to be on a GLP one. Again, unless you're like someone that's like morbidly obese, that's like has health issues and then you're like losing all this weight. Your body's like trying to adjust to like the testosterone and, you know, you fluctuating

things. Again, that's like we're talking about a nuance. I'm talking about a specifically targeted group of people that have able bodies, able souls. Like, because then you're like seeing, like, there's like some fitness influencer that has, like, no legs. And he's like super jacked. And I'm like, that guy's not taking the cheap excuse out. And you're telling me, like, you're going to go, like, pop a needle while this guy's got no legs and he's going to go work out right now.

But I think that we have like an association with, like, drugs that need to be administered via needle, that they're like inherently more dangerous, like, because we associate with using a needle in yourself with like heroin or steroids, which are like traditionally those are the kind of things that you would have to take. Pretty soon, they're going to have oral Ozempic that you're going to be able to just pop a pill once a day or every couple days in the morning or whatever, and it's going to be, you know, a lot easier. I think that that's one of the things that really sort of like alienates people and keeps them away from the, the Ozempic thing at this point is the fact that you have to shoot it up, which to me is not really scary because I've taken so many medications

over the years you had to do that. But I don't think that there's anything special or different about GL-1s except for the fact that they're extremely effective and useful to a huge percentage of people. I don't really think of it as like the easy way out. I feel like it's, if anything, it's kind of like the smart way out. I think I think the net positive of if you are able-bodied and don't actually medically need OZimic, I think the net positive is just not coping out and actually working hard. Because like in my life, when I when I got, I was doing this fitness program and then I like and then I straight off from it a little bit and now I'm like dialed back on this fitness program and it though that hard work and that

discipline is overflowed into other areas of my life and so like that's why I'm like if someone is copying out for an easy way out when they don't need something I'm just like well that laziness is going to breed into other areas of your life then you might cop it on like what then you might think only success is achievable if you you know invest in some crazy meme coin on a crypto and then it hits big and then that's how you're going to make all your money and get rich. It's like, well, that's not ideal. That that just like doesn't make sense. So it's like what's the net positive in life?

I just think that normally when you say like a cop out, you're kind of like saying somebody doing something that is easy instead of doing the thing that is like more honorable or harder. And usually the thing that's easy would like come with some sort of negative consequence. Like for instance, if you are having problems in your marriage and so, you. you cheat or you go out and get drunk instead of going to couples therapy with your wife or whatever I understand how that's a cop out because you're doing something that's inherently bad for you it might temporarily take your mind off it or whatever but it's not really like a solution to the thing that you're facing and meanwhile like I just don't really think that the gLP ones are like that because

it feels like it makes people's lives a lot better but then there's no real negative side consequence and yeah you can work out and you can you know eat clean and everything like that. But like these things kind of need to be done in tandem. Like you could be on a gLP one and you know shove cake down your throat. But when I talk to people, they tell me that it's the kind of thing where you don't even really want to eat because food doesn't really taste that good for you. I know like for me, the food addiction thing is pretty much like entirely about the fact

that just food tastes good. And it's hard for me at 8 p.m. to convince myself, ah, I don't have that extra piece of pizza because that one piece of pizza is going to be the thing that pushes you into a calorie surplus. You know, that is a hard thing that we all deal with. It's like, you know, my wife and my kid are eating ice cream when I get home from work, and I got to say, no, I'm not interested. The GOP one, like, just makes the decision for you.

You're actually not interested. Whereas for all those years of me getting in shape or losing weight or whatever, it's like I had to actually have the self-control to say no to the bowl of ice cream, even though in that moment it feels like the most human thing possible to want to take part in that. But I see how it is with people in my life. where they'll be in that situation, they'll eat two bites of the ice cream and they say, okay, good, yeah, I'm good. I'm stuffed.

You know, it's, yeah, I mean, it changes your appetite. I think something having to make the decision for you is a big indicator that there's a bigger problem in someone's life in general, for the most part. Like, if something or someone else has to make a decision for you in an area out of a lack of self-control, that's a big deal. And I'm in the same boat with you. Like, I like the taste of foods. Like, I love food too.

Like, I'm right there with you. Like, I want to relate. I feel the same way. But when I'm talking about for the person that is able-bodied, has the capacity to go do this, doesn't need OZMPIC, I think it is a cop-out because, number one, I mean, the discipline, the hard work, the effort, it overflows outside of just that. Secondly, like, I believe God's given us a body. And I believe we honor God by not being lazy. And so if I'm like just coping out and taking the hard way out, I mean, the easy way out when, like, I could be honoring God with my body by going and working out, going on a walk, going on a run, hitting a gym, whatever it may be, doing that. furthermore, going to the gym helps with testosterone.

You know, where like some people are like, I can only blow off some steam by like hooking up with a girl or a guy. It's like, well, just go work out. You know, go blow off some steam in the gym, go work out. So there's like a bunch of other net positive. So in my mind, and again, like people are probably think like I'm like crapping on people that have like weight problems. Like that's not what I'm doing.

I'm not trying to do that. You're talking about the people who are taking it to lose the last 20 pounds, not the guy who needs to lose 300 pounds, which I think that's. For that guy, it's easy to accept it. Like, you know, this guy taking Ozzyk is a way better outcome than him dying when he's 55 because he's so overweight. Yes, yes. Or the person that is taking Ozempic because they want to like, they just want to look skinny. They already look good, but they want to look, you know, shredded to the fucking bone, which to me is kind of like, yeah.

I mean, that's sort of a strange thing for me to see. It doesn't even, like, at least from the people that I know, it hasn't made them shredded. It's just made them insanely skinny. And like that person that only wants to take it to like look some type of way is the same person that I think has a problem if they want to get a tattoo because they want a girl to think they look sexy. You know, I'm like, you guys both have the same problem. It's just manifesting in two different ways right now. You know what I mean? It's like, so that's where I'm like there's a actual root problem there and we could solve by working hard.

But last thing I'll say, and I realize it's kind of weird for me to go so hard for a medication that I've never actually even tried, even though I plan on trying it at some point. But I feel like a lot of people in my space, like I definitely know a bunch of people who've lost a bunch of weight on GLP ones that then they just act like they didn't ever do it. And you give them a hard time about it. You make fun about it. And they just sort of go quiet or whatever. So like if I do it, I'm going to get on the podcast and talk about my experience with it just because I feel like I'd rather live my life out in the open. But the one thing that really strikes me when I hear people talk about it is the number of people who are lifelong nail biters or lifelong cigarette smokers who start doing. doing it and then they don't feel the need to engage in those behaviors anymore, which is

kind of insane to think that those receptors work on the same framework as the desire to eat the pizza is so similarly linked to the desire to smoke cigarettes or do drugs. I've just heard a lot of people talk about how they got on it and just a lot of their other bad behavior just sort of went out the window, which that to me is obviously there's a lot a honor in just quitting smoking cigarettes. We all know that that's probably pretty difficult, but the idea that it could like make people just not really even have interest in those things anymore is like super fascinating. Yeah, I've actually never heard of that before. That is that is pretty interesting. Yeah, I don't know what I would think about that. That's kind of cool.

But you're like a, you're like a fit guy, you know, like you're not overweight. Yeah, like if I lost like 20 or 30 pounds, everybody would be like, oh, you're in immaculate shape. But that's kind of like the thing about it is that 20, 30 pounds is difficult. like, man, like three years ago, four years ago, I was in such better shape and I'm just kind of slowly packing it on. And I know at some point I'm going to have to turn the corner and just go hardcore. And I've tried that a few times over the last couple months. And it just doesn't feel like it's really kicking in the way that it used to. I mean, part of it is just the lifestyle of like doing podcasts all day.

You're just like sitting in a chair all day. Like during my BMX days, oh, my God, I was outside. Oh, you definitely ripped. Yeah. I mean, just every single day, your thing is that you're just blasting through calories. And maybe I wasn't eating healthy really almost at all, but I'm blasting through calories without riding every day. I mean, that like when I look back at photos of myself when I'm 22, 23, I was like, I wasn't going on the gym at all. And I looked amazing because like my work life was just out burning calories all day every day.

That's like you meet a construction guy and they're in like amazing shape. Yeah. And they don't have to try at all because their job necessitates them being out lifting heavy stuff all day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That is as pretty admiring. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So one thing that like really stood up to me about the audience that you're cultivating and the style of Christianity that you're pushing is the fact that when I look at your comment section, I feel like it's, it kind of reminds me of the style of Christianity that I grew up around, which is very positive, very nice. a lot of times when I'm on social media in this day and age, it just feels like more often than not, the Christianity that I'm being exposed to is often taking the form of like extreme cruelty and negativity and sort of just like, they probably wouldn't describe it as hatred,

but it seems pretty hateful to me of like the other, whether it's trans people or gay people or liberals just in general. I mean, it feels like you're cultivating a, a sort of different audience. You have an audience of people who are a lot more on like the, the chill, nice, friendly side of Christianity. Is that something that you're like consciously courting? Or is that something that you notice about a lot of the people that present themselves as Christians in our discourse? Well, I definitely, I mean, we definitely get hate for sure. I mean, that's obviously there. But yeah, I would, I want to push that because in, you know, we love authenticity. And I think people like authenticity. So I think there's a part of it where like people

are friendly when we have like a non-believer on the pod and they like love the conversation because of authenticity. They're just like, all right, this guy's honest. So it's like we like it. You know what I mean? Whereas, you know, someone going on there and blow and smoke and then they'd be like, all right, come on. But so yeah, like that's definitely like a conscious effort. I want that culture to be created because I think that's what it means to like love God and bless God. It's like you when you are encouraging and loving. And loving isn't compromising. You know, it's not like compromising and letting someone do something that you disagree. with, but it's just pulling the gold out of someone while calling them higher.

And that's like, that's honestly what we're trying to do. But like, yeah, I mean, I get hate. Like, even we just, uh, we did a, we just had a podcast come out with Nikki Minaj. So, and, uh, we on the wide angle, like I had shorts, like I had shorts and they were like kind of like riding up on my leg. And we only had the wide angle and my, my tight angle. So the wide angle was a lot. And, uh, people were like, give me a bunch of crap.

Like, yo, don't wear shorts next time. don't wear shorts like they were like give me a hard time but as if you might somehow expose yourself well yeah i i did they were they were like riding up on me because of the how like low the couch was and i was sitting but i i tried to wear pants just the dryer broke and we were traveling and my pants were so it's like you know so like there was like a misunderstanding so there's definitely like sometimes people get like upset about small things like that it's whatever but i would say for the most part everyone's pretty positive and excited and stuff like that well i'll give you like example is that like uh i think it was michael knolls who's uh from the daily wire and he's like a big

christian thought leader at this point and like he had i think it was him he had a quote he went on stage like i think the republican national convention and said transgenderism needs to be eradicated and this caught a lot of attention because as much as we know that like the average christian or republican probably doesn't have the fondest feelings about people who choose to be trans but that just strikes me as the most distinctly un-Christian possible phrasing of that. Whereas like any Christian who I'm going to respect is going to be somebody who, you know, maybe wants to shape the world in a way that would flow against, you know, the propagation of transgenderism, sure.

But to say that it must be eradicated is like the least compassionate possible phrasing I can imagine when it comes to like people whose behavior you don't necessarily agree. agree with. I can't imagine that you agree with him phrasing it that way. But I mean, this is one of the biggest thought leaders in the sort of Christian space. And I mean, to me, it just stands out that, you know, this is just like, there's a version of Christianity that is extremely loud and prominent in our culture that I think is like directly flies in the face of what like any version of Christianity I grew up around looked like. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm going to be honest. Like, I think transgenderism is a danger to society. So, like, I,

I like agree. I don't I don't want it to exist either because I think it's a net negative But I don't think I would necessarily phrase it that way now I like Michael Noles I think he's got great thoughts like I like some of his content commentary and content stuff like I think he's got great stuff For the record it might have been Matt Walsh I can't really remember No, it was Michael Nolz because I know I know exactly what you're talking about and I like I like him a lot like I think it's stuff is great And I like I think like I think that ideology transgenderism is a danger to society but like the way that people just go about it different ways. People have different personalities and like my personality is like,

I just like going into the environment and having one-on-one conversations with people and letting people know where we stand. Like, you know, like yesterday, we sat down with a gay pastor here in the valley. And within the first like two minutes, I'm like, hey, look, I want you to know I disagree, but we're going to have a respectful conversation. And, you know, I asked her a bunch of questions. I asked her questions about LGBTQ community. I asked her questions about homosexuality.

about transgenderism and stuff. And I asked her the question, what is a woman? And it's been almost 24 hours. I looked at my risk like I had to watch. It's been almost 24 hours. I still don't know what her definition of a woman is. And so like I think that is dangerous. I think that's extremely dangerous.

But the way people go about phrasing it and stuff is definitely off a personality and stuff like that. So, you know, I can't say like, for me personally, I'm just the kind of person that's like, yeah, I disagree with that. I disagree with transgenderism. So one way I'm going to solve the problem is I'm going to go to the people and talk to them and explain to them why I disagree. But so what would be your prescriptions for somebody who, you know, believes in God and is gay and doesn't find that to be contradictory? Because I've known a lot of gay people throughout my life.

And I don't really think that like almost any of them were it was a choice. I think that almost all of them, they just were born that way. I have memories of knowing kids when I was in elementary school that ended up being gay, that when they were like eight or nine years old, and this is with my extremely primitive understanding of what homosexuality is, I knew they were gay when they were eight or nine years old. Like I could just tell. And then we get older and they're gay and I just never thought twice about it. Like, yeah, I knew that dude was gay when he was in third grade.

But it was like, what should that person do, like a person who, you know, that that's just their preference. and they knew that from their earliest memories. What should they do? If someone's Christian and they have attractions to the same sex, they would just deny those attractions. They just wouldn't act on them. And if someone thinks that that behavior is okay,

then I would say that they aren't reading the scripture honestly. Because we have to understand anything that the scripture says is sinful, God's not being a buzzkill. We have to understand that. He's not trying to be a buzzkill. And so like my biggest pushback on the, the homosexual argument that it's okay to be gay and Christian is in the book of Leviticus, the famous verse on homosexuality, Leviticus 1822, it's don't lie with a man,

don't lie with a man as a woman and vice versa. People say, oh, well, that's just for temple prostitution and it'd be fine. Well, the whole chapter is about unlawful sexual relations. So if that verse was about temple prostitution, it would have said it. It doesn't say it. But furthermore, they like to cherry pick that verse and say, yeah, well, Leviticus says other stuff that we don't do today. Well, there's different types of laws. This is moral law.

So the verse immediately after homosexuality is on beastiality. So I asked him, like, do you think beastiality is okay? And I actually had one guy say he did thought it was okay, which I thought it was insane. But for the most part, for the most part, people are like, no, it's not okay. Right. So I'm like, how are you going to cherry pick what it's right after? Well, I mean, I say the obvious difference between beastiality and homosexuality is that homosexuality is taking place between two consenting adults and then an animal can't consent to sex. Yes, but the scriptural context of the passage is about sexual relations, period.

Like if you read further up, it's like, don't look at your daughter nakedly. Like, you know, it's like, don't uncloth your daughter and look at her nakedly in a sexual way. It's like, okay, it's giving descriptions for every nuance possible. And so. But that kind of really tells you a lot about who was right. in this book is that they needed somebody to tell him, hey, don't look at your daughter in a sexual way, which is like, you know, in modern times, you wouldn't really have to tell somebody that. Or it shows you that the same problems and perversions that are in the 21st century existed back then, too,

which is kind of crazy. But the fact that it needed to be said kind of tells you a lot about the people that were existing at that time is that they were, the reason why the Bible needed to exist is because so many of these people were just had no clue. I feel like without religion, people are able to arrive at like a pretty logical moral framework at this point in time. Well, everyone's, I believe that God's written a moral code on everyone's heart. So I think everyone has like some general moral compass. But we have to have some sort of standard, right? So if we don't have a standard, if there is no God, then if, you know, the person that says beciality is okay and you and I that say it isn't okay, we can't tell that guy

that he's wrong because there's no standard. You know what I mean? So like that's, that's the biggest push back and complaint or again, you know, the lady looked at me and she's like, how many times did Jesus talk about homosexuality in the Bible? He didn't talk about homosexuality, zero times, but he didn't talk specifically about beciality either. You know, so is it wrong? It's like a bad argument. Jesus talks about sexual immorality. That's an umbrella that encompasses everything talked about in that chapter that we were pressing her about. The same way that like he talks about theft being a sin. He doesn't specifically go, yeah, if you, you, you commit grand theft auto it's a sin. He doesn't explicitly say grand theft

dollars is a sin, but he says theft is a sin, so that would encompass theft. You know what I mean? So, you know, again, God's not trying to be a buskill. So if someone claimed to be Christian and had homosexual attractions, I would just say deny the attractions, you know, I've, I know people who were in gay relationships and that have left that lifestyle and are either abstaining from relationships, I know some of them that are married to the opposite sex and have children. And it's a beautiful thing because they want to, because you're trusting that God's way is better. And so if you think God's way is better, then you're willing to deny a feeling, right? Short-term gratification for something eternal, long-term.

I just like for me, I just can't really find the negativity inherent in consenting adults choosing to sleep with the people that they're in love with. Like, I've known plenty of gay couples seem like they're perfectly happy together. And I think that the vast majority of them, if they were to deny themselves their sexual interest in other men, it would probably result in some sort of like twisted perverse behavior, which is why I think that you end up with like the Catholic Church having this huge issue with child molestation, which from what I understand is not really an issue anymore because it's sort of been rooted out or they hopefully have like safeguards in place to basically assure that that kind of behavior is not taking place or not possible that nobody. has like the opportunity to really do that sort of thing. But I think that stuff comes from people denying their most basic urges. Like if you're a guy who's like strictly attracted to men and you get into a relationship with a woman, you have to deny your attraction to men for life.

I think it just comes out in weird ways that are dramatically worse than them just sleeping with other men. Well, you know, like we got to think if there's diseases that people can track that are more prominent in homosexual relationships than they are in heterosexual relationships. It's like a heterosexual relationship can contract HIV, but it's very dominant in homosexual environments. This is true. And so, you know, the lady yesterday was like, yeah, we just need to pass out equipment that makes it safe if they're going to do it. And I'm like, or they can just stop having gay sex and then it will decrease in those environments.

You know what I mean? So it's like God's not, he's protecting us spiritually and physically. The way God designed human beings is for a man and a woman to come together. That's why the body parts function a certain way. That's why the male body parts and the female body parts function a certain way. Well, to be fair, gay sex seems like it's working for a lot of people. Yeah, maybe working in an emotional high area, but then, you know, they can't hold in their poop 20 years later and they've got issues going on. So I think there's a lot more problems.

I haven't really looked into that. Do you think that? Does that happen? I'm not trying to be too crude, but yes, that does happen. And so it's like, you know, I think. think what we define what the ultimate like in my mind again and this isn't even I'm not even taking a shot I'll even say this for heterosexual relationships like if sex with the same sex or opposite sex is your standard for satisfaction that is a low standard for satisfaction

like that is such a temporary hollow way of satisfaction like if my 401k is the feeling I get when I get to be intimate with my significant other that is just an awful satisfaction and way to find significance. You know what I mean? There's got to be something greater than some dopamine rush you get by having sexual relations with someone, just period. And, and, you know, like, I got to say, because we're talking about the homosexual thing, like, there's a lot of heterosexual sin that happens within Christianity as well. So, like, I'm not denying that. And there have been many times where people, a part of the LGBTQ community, have been treated as of lesser moral value. And I think that's wrong. So I, I,

do have to clarify that because I don't want people think I'm like going ham. But like my stance comes from scripture and believing that God has designed us a certain way, made us a certain way. He's protecting us physically and spiritually. And so like when someone is denying their flesh, their desires, they are just trusting that God's way is better. And whatever he has in store is far greater than what we think is better for our life. Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree that the Christian minister who's gay should that there is an inherent contradiction in his belief which but from my perspective they should smarten up and realize that this this cult don't want you buddy you got to get the hell out of there but i mean hey if it's bringing them happiness i guess it is what it is right

yeah i you know i again like jesus welcomes everyone he just doesn't want them to stay in their lifestyle of sin you know he doesn't want you to stay there every time jesus confronts a sinner he forgives him he says you know let your sins be forgiven and then go sin no more you know okay but so Let's say you're walking on the street and you see a church and you hear all these people singing and they're having a great time. Everything's positive. And briefly, you're like, wow, that's amazing. I didn't know about this church. They love God.

That's incredible. And then you go and you look into the door and you see a little placard there. And it basically says that this is a church that's consisting entirely of homosexuals. Does the positivity of them believing in Jesus and loving Jesus? Does that outweigh the negativity from your perspective that this is a Christian gathering that is full of people who are comfortable with their sinful lifestyle? Well, I think people are worth more than just whether they're gay or straight. So, you know, it's like if people are, again, living in active sin, so if people are actively living in homosexual lifestyles and this church is affirming active homosexual lifestyles and not, it would be different. If there was a church congregation and there were people who are trying to learn about Jesus or don't

know Jesus that are in homosexual relationships and the church and the community is trying to help them grow and get out of that versus a church that's affirming their sin, the church that's affirming their sin I have a problem with and I would say they're probably worshiping a different Jesus than I am. Like the church I went to yesterday. She's like, yeah, Jesus loves all people. And I'm like, yeah, he does love all people. But the way you mean that is by allowing people to do whatever they want.

The way that I mean that is like, no, he doesn't allow people to do whatever they want. It's like my dad, like I wanted to eat ice cream every morning for breakfast. And if my dad let me do that, I'd probably have diabetes by this age right now. But like he wasn't being a buzzkill when he was telling me not to eat ice cream every morning for breakfast. And so it's like if the Bible says this and that about certain topics or certain issues, we just have to, again, trust that his way is better. I feel it. I mean, okay, this is one of my primary issues with Christians in this day and age, is that I feel like it's kind of a cheap move to be relentlessly critical of people outside of your tent, meaning, you know, talking down about gay people and trans people and people who do porn and all these sort of things, you know, groups of people that for the most part are largely not Christian.

but then there's like so much stuff going on within their own house that it feels like gets completely ignored like for instance elephant in the room is that our president presents as a Christian is possibly like the least serious Christian you could ever think of he's mean he's petty he's cruelly like embodies so much of things that Christian that Christians should speak out against and yet I never hear that and in fact he's like a hero to them I mean I don't know know how much of a Trumper you are. And I understand that he's useful to Christians because he does kind of push through a lot of things that they probably want for society. You know, just recently I heard Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro do a debate and Ben Shapiro who's Jewish, but he's, you know,

very, very religious and he's speaking about Trump. And he's basically telling Sam Harris that, like, yes, I can agree that this, this and this that he's done are abhorrent. These are horrible things. But this ultimately is the guy who's pushing through things that I think are beneficial for religious people, for people on the right, et cetera. And, you know, I get that. Like, there's a certain extent to which, you know, I would, I would vote for somebody who was a crappy overall person if I felt like they were, you know, really working on behalf of things that I thought were important on a, on a legislative level. I don't know. Like, like, how do you square the whole Trump issue. I mean, when the, when the AI picture came out, I don't know if you saw that. It was like,

Oh, yes. That was a huge thing. Yeah, it was him like kind of looking like they took his head and put it on Jesus's body. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I claimed he was a doctor. Yeah, there's, I mean, I'm just like, really, there's no way that was a doctor. Like, I had a problem with that. And if you're a Christian that supports Trump or not, you should have a problem with that photo. Like, point blank period. Like, that was odd. And so that might be the most I've ever seen Christians speak out against him. But here's the thing about leadership in general we have to understand is leadership is from any degree, whether a principal or a president, we're humans, we're flawed. We're going to make good decisions and bad decisions. But with the president, we have to pray and hope that he's going to make good decisions,

no matter who's in office. So we just have to trust and pray. You know, we get the opportunity to vote in this country, but whoever gets elected, we just have to go, all right, well, that's who God knew was going to be going to be in office, so we're just going to trust. Although Trump took a very different role. once the people had voted than almost anybody, which is that he threw a fit and claimed that there was interference with the election, which was basically completely debunked. Yeah, I don't know, like,

a lot about politics. Like, I'm not, like, super deep into politics. But, like, what I do know is that God cares about our country. God cares about every other country. God cares about the world. And so when people are in positions of power, we don't have to agree with everything that they do, but we just have to, number one, we should be praying for our leaders. Absolutely, we should be praying for our leaders. Number two, we should trust God that he's going to give them wisdom to make the right decisions because we're praying for our leaders. And then number three, we just got to stand up for truth. So like the AI picture, like I have a problem with that. Like you can't tell me that you thought you were a doctor.

You're in a white cloth at a red sash. Did you speak out about that? I was going to make a podcast about it. And then like the and then I had a bunch of like Christian friends already make videos about it that I agreed with. And I was just like, I'm not going to like throw my opinion in the pot. kind of vibe. You know what I mean? But like I'm not afraid to talk about. We're talking about it right now. It's just like when it became so many people were talking about it and I was like, you know, I'm going to give my two cents. And I just agreed with my buddy Ryan and he made a, he made a great

video. So it's just like I'm just going to. It just kind of feels like the easy way out to be a Christian content creator and to make episodes about how porn is bad and adultery is bad. And then not to take aim and say, hey, the president is basically on record having slept with a porn star, slash prostitute while his wife was pregnant, who I interviewed the porn star, Swarmy Daniels, and then to lie about it publicly. It's like just so many sins being ticked off here. And for the like Christian content creators to not be like loudly vocal about all of the terrible things that Trump does while speaking out against people who have no institutional power who are just living, you know, lifestyles that they might consider sinful. I mean, that just feels kind of,

It's kind of shady. Yeah, again, like, I don't know, like, a lot about the political state of the world details and stuff like that. Like, I don't keep up with a lot of politics. So, like, on these details, like, I wouldn't be able to go bar for bar with you and say, like, I can confirm or deny that's true, you know, so I, but I'm just saying in general, any sort of sin should be, should be discussed. You know what I mean?

Like, we interviewed Marina Lacerda. She's a Jeffrey Epstein victim. Oh, really? We interviewed her. It's like two and a half hour interview, I believe. and we're just like letting her lay it all on the table. And she has her own opinions politically and just socially. And then other people have political and social opinions.

We've interviewed Hebrew-Israelite. We've interviewed tons of different people. They have tons of different opinions and that's fine. You know what I mean? So I wish I knew more about like political stuff. And I'm actually trying to learn more about like wars and stuff like that, especially it's going on in the Middle East because there's like a lot of buzz about different sides of different things. That's something I'm trying to dive in a lot more on because I know a lot more Bible and topical stuff.

But yeah, Christians should stand up for injustice, period. Yeah, I mean, like, just to throw one more example out there is that it really struck me when they did the huge funeral for Charlie Kirk after he was killed. And Erica Kirk comes out and she's a Christian and she basically says, like, hey, to the guy who killed my husband, I forgive you. Like, I'm a Christian and I believe that, you know, as much as you've committed this horrific act and you've done this terrible thing. I forgive you. And that to me was like a really beautiful speech and really something that was indicative of her being a real deal Christian. And then right after her, Trump gets on stage.

And he says, hey, she forgives you. I don't. I hate the left. I hate the liberals. I hate the Democrats. And I want to destroy you. And to me, it's just like, this is just untenable to have a person who speaks like this in charge of our country.

Like it's just so evil and wicked. And I feel like more Christians need to speak out again. that kind of stuff. Yeah, again, like, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, like, too much about politics. Right. I don't, I genuinely don't know a lot. I've never seen that.

I've only ever seen the video clip of her, say, of Erica Kirk saying, I forgive. Right. And it was a beautiful speech. Incredibly beautiful. And that's like the heart of God, you know, anytime you see anyone, like someone's kid murdered or something and on trial and, you know, the family stands up there and just like, I forgive you. You know, it's powerful.

But even like today, like the whole, like, you know, Carmelo Anthony situation going on. Like, I don't know anything about it. And it's like this big, it's blown up into this big more than just trial. It's become like a political issue now. Yeah. And like if someone- A racial issue. A racial issue, you know.

And if someone, if someone asked me to any questions about it, I wouldn't know what to say. And I tried to look into it, but there's so many different opinions. I'm like, I don't even know what's true. And so, yeah, you know, again, I think injustice needs to be stood up for, period. You know, and I think the one way we stand up for it, the Bible says the goodness of God brings man to repentance. And that's why when Erica curse, like, I forgive the shooter. it's powerful. It's extremely powerful because it's like love wins at the end of the day. It really does. You would have thought that the powerful nature of her speech would have maybe given Trump pause to not go out and basically send out a war cry, which is what he did afterwards.

But I think that's the problem that Christians run into when they allow a charlatan to essentially become the face of their movement. Because, I mean, his Christianity is so front-facedly bullshit. You know, it's just like it's, unbelievably clear. It's never been this clear. Like, there's been a lot of politicians over the years. Like with Obama, I always kind of suspected that like, I don't think this guy really believes in God. He might be paying lip service to it, but I don't think he's really, you know, I think people have written books about like the narrative that like Obama is a sneaky atheist. But with Trump, I mean, it is just right out there for you. I'm sure everybody's seen the viral clip where they ask him to name his favorite Bible verse and he's just blatantly has absolutely no clue. And this is a guy who I don't think has ever, you know, admittedly, like, read a book in his life. You know, even his books that he wrote he didn't really write, which stands out.

I think when it comes to any sort of Christianity and leadership, like we should want Christians in politics. If you're a Christian, you should want them because then they're going to fight for Christian values, rightfully so in like a political sphere as well. But the only person's salvation we can really be sure of is our own. You know, like I hybrid. but like because the Bible says God looks at the heart, you know? So like, yeah, sure, you can look at actions of people in general, but I am always like very cautious to be like, oh, this person is or isn't something, me personally, because I genuinely don't know what they're doing behind closed doors. I only see videos online. I only see this or vice versa or whatever it may be. But the Bible says

in Philippians chapter one, Paul wrote about how if people preach the gospel for selfish gain or they preach the gospel and sincerity, we should just praise Jesus that the gospel's being preached because people are hearing about them regardless, no matter the person's motive. And so our heart should be whether anyone in any sort of position of power is preaching Jesus out of sincerity or out of, you know, selfish gain, at least people are hearing about Jesus.

Because someone could be doing it for selfish gain and say something about Jesus, and then someone with a sincere heart comes to know Jesus in a sincere way or, you know, anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't want to be too cynical or anything, but I feel like it's almost like convenient for you to not be super familiar with the Trump thing because you know that if you were to take aim at Trump and speak out against some of the things that he does, that it would probably be a bad thing for your career overall because probably like 90% plus of your fans are people who are Trump supporters, I would think. Might not be quite that much. Well, no. Well, I got to shut that down really quick because it's just.

just genuinely, I don't know anything about it. Like, I don't want to say something that I'm not confident on. You know, so, like, if I don't know something, I'm just going to be like, yeah, I don't know. But, like, I know about the AI photo. So I'm like, yeah, I'm perfectly fine with talking about that. That was kind of right in everybody's face. Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

That's fine. But, like, with all the other stuff, like, I genuinely, I don't watch the news. I don't watch a lot of stuff. I read a lot of books. I study a lot of commentary. I'm in a lot of, like, biblical sources. I'm not looking at political stuff. So that's, like, why, like, we talk about it all the time.

like we'll go on a college campus and debate kids about stuff and a Bible all day but if someone brings up something that's like slightly political I can't go bar for bar because I just don't know anything I don't know statistics I don't know the sides you could say something and I'm like yeah maybe that's right I don't know you know so like it's not necessarily that I'm like trying to shy down from truth like if even when Biden was in office like I didn't know anything that was going on like I like I genuinely didn't know anything that was going on other than like I know that he fell off his bike like I saw that video like that was it and it was like kind of funny So, yeah, no.

You are very young also, so I'm going to give you a lot of grace in that regard because I know that when I was 22, my knowledge of politics was pretty weak. And I do feel like in this day and age is much more common for people in the early 20s to be very, very well versed in politics because politics is basically pop culture at this point. And I mean, especially with the rise of Trump, it's just it's in your face every day. It's become a meta now. Politics has become really popular. But one of the reasons I actually, there is a slightly intentional part of me that stays away from. politics, not that being educated on it, but it's going to divide your audience. Well, no, not necessarily dividing your audience. People are dividing themselves just because

you support a certain political party or not. And I'm like, okay, so I didn't know that we could just start hating each other because we disagree on a topic. Like, is that really where we like draw the line? It's like you hate someone because they like disagree with what political parties were. Like, that is just absolutely absurd to me. Yeah. That we're going to hate people just because we disagree. Like, disagreeing with people is fine. Like, who cares? Like, that's fine. That's like a part of you in nature. We're all hardwired differently. We all have different perspectives. We all have different ideologies, philosophies, the way that we think. Of course, we're going to disagree on things. Even amongst my Christian friends, some of them are part of different denominations.

Some of our theological differences are there. But, like, that doesn't mean I hate them. I mean, we disagree on stuff. But, like, we're here talking and I love you to death. I've texted you a ton of times. Like, I don't hate you. You know what I mean? So that's like, why I'm like I don't hyper fixate on the politics from that side is because I'm like, why would we hate each other for something stupid like that? It's just that a lot of the people who are spreading the most hate are doing so under the guise of Christianity. And I'm not saying at all that like the left is innocent into this because obviously there's

tons of terrible behavior that comes from the left as well. But when you have somebody like Trump who presents and claims to be a Christian and then when And Rob Reiner dies, he hops on social media and basically does a little dance and celebrates his death. It just stands out to me that like, we should have way more outcry about that from Christians. Was that the thing that just happened last week? It was probably a couple months ago, but he was basically like a huge movie director. And he had spoken out against Trump and been pretty vocally against him. But personally, you know, and I'm a non-Christian, but if my biggest critic died, I think I would have a grace to.

maybe not say anything or maybe find if you do have to say something, you know, say something that shows some grace and shows that like as much as you might have disagreed during your life that this is still somebody who, you know, in their passing, you want to be respectful of their friends and their children and everything like that by not absolutely just massacring them and with Trump. I mean, like I've just never seen anything like that in my life in American politics, somebody who's like really celebrating the death of their enemy like that. And it stands out to me that the person who's doing that, who's normalizing that kind of behavior is the most powerful Christian in the world. And I just feel like the Christian community needs to speak out about that.

Well, hypothetically, the most powerful Christian in the world is the Pope. True. Well, I would say Trump's probably, Trump can draw a nuke tomorrow if he wants. He could click a button, but then the Diet Coke might come. Yeah. I know he has a dikeptychotechold. Both of the buttons are really close together. That's so funny.

Okay, wait, this is my last topic that I wanted to hit. How did you get a Nicki Minaj interview? Everybody in hip-hop wants a Nicki Minaj interview. The vast majority of hip-hop platforms have never got a chance to have a conversation with her. How did you line that up? Well, we, so I have a friend, and I don't know if he wants me to say his name, so I'm not going to say his name. But I have a friend, and I knew that he had a relationship with Nikki. And so I just reached out to him, and I said, hey, like, would it be possible to, you?

get Nikki on the pot. And he said, yeah, I'll ask her. And apparently she had seen some of our videos before and she liked our voice and liked the stuff that we stood for. And so she agreed to come on. And I was nervous because we've never interviewed anyone with that kind of like status or level or anything. Famous beyond belief. So I didn't know like what would happen. And I absolutely love Nikki Bena. She's the best. Had so much fun hanging out with her and talking with her. And And yeah, it was actually like nothing really crazy. I just reached out to a buddy that knew her. And I was like, hey, do you want to like come on the pod?

And he was like, yeah, I can talk to her. Because she doesn't do a lot of pods. Like she's on a lot of press and stuff like that. And we got the gracious opportunity to interview her. And I was extremely encouraged. She had a lot of wisdom. She was very well spoken. And she was super fun to be around, fun to talk to.

Yeah, we had a great time. So that was a blast. Nikki Minaj is the best. I love her. She's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, because like, if she were to do an interview with me, I would probably ask questions that would make it so that I couldn't get an interview with her. Because, I mean, she is someone who's had kind of a wild path of career development over the last few years where I feel like she's kind of another example of somebody who's like come over to Christianity.

And, well, I mean, I guess she's always been Christian, but like she's become a lot more vocal about it. But then meanwhile, I feel like I just see so much really like deeply anti-Christian behavior coming from her in the public realm. Well, again, like that's where I would say, right, like you've only ever seen like an outward thing of something for Nikki. So like this is where I can like vouch from her from spending time with her on camera, off camera, in person. It's like she's someone that deeply cares about Jesus, someone that cares about herself, wants to grow in a new realm, wants to step in a new space. Furthermore, I will say in the interview, if you watch the interview, she kind of, she randomly brought up how she like wishes she didn't write certain songs or didn't promote certain things. And I didn't insinuate that.

She brought that up. And I was like, wow, that's like actually really admirable that you would just randomly bring that up and say that. And so the hard thing about social media is like you can only get a glimpse of someone's life. That would be like someone making up every opinion about you based on every video they've seen of you on social media. And like that wouldn't be fair to you either.

but she genuinely loves Jesus and she's passionate about Jesus and she was just so fun to be around and people grow and people adapt and people change. People realize that Jesus is all they need. And especially if you are someone that has had everything you want, it's pretty easy to make a decision going, wow, I think Jesus is just the answer in my life. Right. And I give her forgiveness for a lot of the wild stuff that she's done over the years. But, I mean, the thing that really sticks with me, and I think it meant a lot to a lot of people in general, too, was that when she went on Twitter and basically said that Cardi B's children who are extremely young were monkeys and roaches, that just struck me. I was like, how could you possibly expect us to take you serious in a conversation about your faith while you're on Twitter? Like, this is like a year ago.

It was like a couple years ago at most. And you're out here saying like the worst, most offensive thing I could possibly think about about it. child like I forgot how older kid would have been at the time maybe like four or something I mean to me that's just like she's got the same problem as Donald Trump which is that she's one of the loudest voices in favor of Christianity and she's out here doing and saying things that are like deeply evil like way more evil than like any like high power Democrat or like you know atheists that I can think of well you know we it's easy to hold it against her because she's in in the spotlight a lot but you know and I'm not saying that necessarily that comment was right But that goes to show the beauty and the grace and the love of Jesus, how it can transform and change people's hearts and minds. But she was a Christian when she said that. And, well, here's the thing that we have to understand, right, is what does it mean to be a Christian?

What does it mean to follow a Christian? I would have told you before I actually started following Jesus that I was a Christian up until about the 8th grade. And then I realized why I wasn't a Christian. So I can't speak for her. But what I do know is of the recent time, she's become bold about Jesus. She has become on fire about Jesus.

She loves God. She's passionate about it. She wants to step into a new realm and space. And so what we have to hope and trust is the work of Jesus in her life and believe. Thank you for the grace of Jesus. Thank you from where God has taken us from then to now. And just trust that and hope for forgiveness on the stakes we've made. Because I've said a bunch of crazy stuff before.

I've done a bunch of wicked stuff. Stuff that isn't documented online. Praise Jesus. I've done bad stuff. And that might make me unqualified. And that's the point. I'm not even qualified to sit here across from you and talk about what it's like to be a Christian and I talk about Jesus for a living every day. It's like I'm deeply not qualified

because I've made mistakes too, but the grace of God is what has allowed me and transformed me from different mistakes. And yeah, some of my mistakes may be on my digital footprint for the rest of my life. But Jesus has changed my life. And if I've run into people I've burned before, I would be able to love them hard. Give me an example of something that you feel like you messed up as far as in recent memory, like maybe like the last year, a sin, that you committed or something that you did that you ended up really looking at yourself like that I regret that was outside the realm of things that should be permissible in my lifestyle I had a gluttony problem okay yeah I failed and like I was on that I was on a big fitness journey last

year and then at about like October or November I like gave up and I just started eating like crazy again and gained a bunch of weight and just was like really down on myself and then uh like my wife had made like a couple comments that was like hey you know like you're I think you're like getting a little weight back that's always a tricky thing for them to navigate right because they don't want to fully body shame you but they want to say something I'm like it's like I don't know if you're healthy right now you know I remember it hid she was like you look she was like you look skinny fat and that's like the worst kind of fat is when you're skinny fat you know and then I was like what and then I looked at myself in the mirror one day and I realized I'd like lost myself and the

gluttony had overflowed in a lot of different stuff. Like, dude, I went to crumble cookie and ate 12 crumble cookies by myself. Aren't they like a thousand calories? Without leaving the parking lot. Yes, without leaving the parking lot. I'm not exaggerating. I ate six of the big ones and six of the small ones. So the small ones definitely had less, but 12 crumble cookies. I keep seeing articles about how crumble cookies like really kind of push the envelope of how much calories and sugar you can cram into a product. They have a soda, like a dirty soda lineup, and their sodas have 186 grams of sugar in it. Wow.

One of them. It's insane. They're like the one startup that like figured out, hey, like, we could just take this way further than anybody has ever taken it before. Shut up to ever figure that out because I wouldn't have known that. Yeah, I would, I would not have known that either. But I had a bad gluttony problem, man. And like a gluttony is not damaging to anybody besides yourself.

Yes, but it was overflowing into other behaviors. Like for like gluttony is like an excessive. overload of stuff in general, often associated with food. So mine was, I'm like talking specifically about food. But I noticed I was like becoming lazier, less sharp. I was procrastinating. So it was like overflowing into other areas of my life. And I'm sitting there looking at myself in the mirror going like, how can I tell people to get right with God if I'm like not even taking care of myself right now? Physically, I'm just like not taking care of myself. I was slapping God in the face by saying, yeah, yeah, I'm not grateful for my body. I'm just going to

eat whatever I want, do whatever I want. Yeah, because that's the irony of like getting fat feels like you're betraying yourself because you obviously know that you want to live a good life, but you also want to live a long life. And that if you gain 100 pounds, then you're chopping a few years off the end of your life on average, you know? And so it's kind of, it is weird how much we conflate being physically fit with being like happy or a good person or anything like that. I have like a BMX hero that I looked up to when I was in my young teenage years.

And I just recently saw a video of him. And he had blatantly gained like, I don't know. like 80 pounds or something like that got a big old tire around his waist now and I just found myself like thinking like what's wrong like I know something's got to be wrong that you ended up like this which I don't hold myself to the same standard I guess so it's kind of hypocritical but definitely you know it's interesting how much we entrust that somebody's body fat is basically telling you the story of how well they're doing in life in general yeah it is kind of crazy yeah yeah so that was a big big mistake I had been making and uh that was something

I had felt ashamed but but change you know yeah so so here we are now healthy living life working out eating cleaner mm-hmm definitely who's your other like dream guess that you'd like to have on the podcast I'm sure Nikki was up there for a while before you got her yay yay's up there I definitely want to talk to him um I obviously we'd talk to any any world leaders not just like President Trump or the Vice President. Like I'd literally talk to anyone. I really want to interview an Islamic terrorist. Wow.

That's like a big guest I want to interview. Usually they end up in prison for life once they're captured. So that would be interesting. I'm not sure how you'd be able to pull that off. But my ultimate guess is Diddy. Wow. Yeah. I want to interview Diddy really bad.

If I'm Diddy, I'm probably not letting you interview me. What is that? Well, actually, okay. No, I take that back. Actually, I probably would because I feel like, you know, you're somebody who you're not going to start rattling off a list of all the most heinous things that you've done or whatever. You're going to be nice. You're going to be sort of vague about it. You're going to, you know, acknowledge that he's sin. You're not going to go into extreme detail about it. But he's one of like the, he's got a lot to atone for. He's one of the few people that I like know a little bit more about like in like, I guess like whatever you call pop like culture or whatever's going on in society that I would be. be able to like maybe ask harder questions and press on more. But I definitely want to talk to P. Diddy really bad. Yeah, I mean, he will be free in a year or two. So definitely his possibility, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to talk to him. I think that would be a dream. Yeah, I mean, he lived from what I could tell, the vast majority of his life doing very extreme amounts of drugs while also having extreme amounts of sex with very large numbers of people. So, I mean, probably if I'm him, I'm not really, like, lining up to do a lot of interviews with Christian influencers.

But at some point, he's going to have a pivot in all this. You know, like, he's going to make his way. I believe he's essentially like a genius. At some point, I hope that when he gets out, he leaves the, uh, the orgies and the huge amounts of drugs behind, which I think is, I think it's pretty likely that he will do so. Because if anything is going to scare you, it's probably all the stuff that he's been through

over the last couple years. I mean, I just don't know how you can like ignore the amount of baby oil they found at his house. I do sometimes think that that probably was overstated, but also like... The pictures, though? Right, but if you're going to use baby oil when having sex, which I don't, but I mean, I guess I filmed like baby oil scenes or whatever, so I get it. But like,

if you're going to buy one bottle, might as well order 500 bottles just to have it on debt. You probably get a better price. You're not paying 8 bucks a bottle. You're paying 749. Dude, for a quantity discount. 50 cent discount for 500 compared to two, not worth it. It's just a guess. But also he's a billionaire. So yeah, if he was

stressing that, you know, it's going to like, I just like, I don't care. That's a questionable amount of baby oil. If you get to interview them though, like number one question is not that's not allowed is going to be like, bro, what's with all the baby oil? You know? That's like the first thing that comes

my mind. I know, but if I'm him, like, that's the number one question. I do not want somebody to ask, because that's the ultimate, like, easy gotcha moment. Wait, did Nikki Minaj asked you to edit anything out of the podcast? No, no. No. No, nothing. It was raw. We, if there's any, like, jump cuts in the episode, it's like, we'll cut like a, like, a, um or a pause or something, just like keep the flow. I noticed that, that there were a few little cuts, but I also could tell that it wasn't anything significant. Yeah, yeah, people that do podcasts, like, you know, you would be able to tell, like, it was some significant. If the conversation just immediately jumps to some completely different thing, yeah.

Yeah, but nothing was cut. For sure. Okay, so to the no jumper audience who might have somehow accidentally landed on this, there's probably a decent number of people watching this who are not sworn Christians or people who are, you know, nominally religious or they say that they're Christians, but realistically don't probably spend a ton of time thinking about it or talking about it. What would be your message for them in terms of what you would like to see them do going forward. If they wanted to get more serious

about their Christianity or just become Christian in the first place, here's your time. Tell them what they should do. I would say, pray and ask Jesus to reveal yourself. Honestly, like go into your room, pray and ask Jesus to reveal yourself. And number two, actually take 30 days

to live like a Christian. Read your Bible, pray, go to church, spend time in community, live 30 days following Jesus. And I just like, give it 30 days. Just try it from a practice. sense. But Jesus welcomes everyone with open arms and he doesn't take your personality away. He gives you your personality back. He gives you purpose. He gives you design. He gives you everything.

And so everything that you're looking for that you haven't found everywhere else, you'll find Jesus. So you just got to give him a shot. So for anybody who watch this, if you want more, he's got a great YouTube channel, our interview, I think is one of the most highly viewed ones that you've done, I think. Love it. Love it. If I go to a conference and stuff, like the hype video, Like a church conference will play. They'll play one of our video clips in it a lot of the times. Yeah. That our conversation still to this day is one of my favorite conversations I've ever had.

Oh, I appreciate it. That's why we got to do it twice. That's right. Come on. Let's go. So if everybody watches this, wants to, they could dive into that and probably pick up a little bit more of what's going on with our dynamic or anything.

But I appreciate you coming on, man. And I'm glad that we can have some mutual respect, even though we're definitely operating on different sides of the coin. Yeah, absolutely. I love you a lot, man. Love you too, bro. Dude, thank you. Bryce.

Thank you. My guy. Everybody go check out his YouTube channel. No Jumper. Coolest podcast world. Like, comment, and subscribe. And shout out to our members who got to watch this live.

Appreciate you, man. Thank you, bro. Hell of you.