No Jumper - C Food DBE on Surviving 4 Shootings, Baby Mama Drama, Jerry Springer & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. We're here again with somebody who I called the realest. Well, we can't even cuss yet for the first five minutes, but the realest ninja in the industry, man. Real right. Listen, we here with seafood. CFOD, you ain't me? Real rat. Yo, now, first off, man, like, before reading your book, I ain't know that Philly got that serious.

Starting point is 00:00:21 It gets crazy in Philly. It's even worse now, though. Like, the Yumbos out there running around with switches and all that. Like, really out there is drawn. Like, Real Rack, buddy. It's like, but it always been bad, though, bro. I was getting shot, bed to back. Like, every year, bro, I was getting shot.

Starting point is 00:00:35 Like, I got shot 2010, 2011, 2012. Then the last time I got shot was 2020. Yeah. Wow, this recent, too, right? Yeah. No, but I just actually posted a story in Ono Jumper where a parking attendant was writing a ticket. And this nut just came from the back and shot him in his head.

Starting point is 00:00:55 I'm like, bro, for a third-eye ticket, is crazy. I just seen that, John. Yeah. The O-H-A had the blue P-PG-A zone. Yeah, he hit him right in the joint. Yeah, I seen that. That's crazy, though, for a ticket in broad daylight. It's always bad like that, bro.

Starting point is 00:01:09 It's always been bad like that, though. Like, they'd be drawn out there, bro. Yeah. No, but you know how I can tell you're really from Philly? It's the accent, right? Because we know, well, I know a few people from Philadelphia and from Delaware County, right? So, boy, like when they come and tell people like us

Starting point is 00:01:28 who are not from Philly is, oh yeah, I'm from, you know, right? Yeah, but, you know, that's a play difference. And people that's not from Philly one, no, though. Yeah. Because I hate that, bro, I live in Atlanta now, right? And I hate that, bro, like, say like, I meet somebody down that John, right? They be like, uh, they'd be talking to son, Philly, but where you from, I'm from Philly? They're from Philly too.

Starting point is 00:01:46 I'm like, oh, yeah, where you from, though? Yeah. I'm like, Philly. I'm like, no, what part? Darby. Look, no, listen though, they know our parts, though. You know, we got north, west, south, west, uptown, all that, right? But they know that, but they don't know the blocks.

Starting point is 00:01:59 So I'm like, oh, you're from West. My folks down West, though. I mean, my man, they live there in West. Like, what block you from? Then they're like, uh, well, I really grew up in Chester, but I got family down West. Oh, I bet. Were you from Chester then? So I was saying you from Philly.

Starting point is 00:02:12 Yeah. I'm saying, but you know how that go. Nah, because everybody from the county would say they're from Southwest, Philly. Because that's the easy thing to say, right? Because there's like King Susson. Yeah, it's Yegan right there, Derby, all that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right?

Starting point is 00:02:24 So, like, have you visited? though, like the county? Yeah, actually one of my, I ain't gonna lie. I used to be terrorizing them back in the day. Oh, really? Well, I used to be out there treating them, but, uh, because my man, he looked out of that, John, he looked in the Ye'an. So I used to always pull up on him.

Starting point is 00:02:38 And then my guy family lived in South West. So it's like, it's right down the streets. I used to go down there, you know, just politic and all that. They're sweet out there, though, like, you know. I don't know about now. Now, I ain't gonna lie, like, now, because, you know, now everybody thinks, this area, everybody thinks he's tough now, so it's a little different.

Starting point is 00:02:52 Yeah. No, but I definitely see the difference, right? Because even like my cousin, right? So he, yo, and like he reminds me of you so much, right? Right. Because, so, like, he was, you know, like, he started off as a great kid as well, right? So he was in the county. Right.

Starting point is 00:03:07 So he went to Philly, started rapping, right? But, like, we just known him as a rapper, right? And then when he got killed, some stories about his pastor coming out, I said, nah, right? He didn't see the same person, right? Because he used to be like a dollar boy dancing, D-Macket. I'm going to lie. He's been in there, boo-taining. Back in the day, I was one of the ones, right?

Starting point is 00:03:27 Anybody didn't know me? I was one of the ones I beat the party dancing, Wu-Ting, and D-Mack and all, and punch you in and shoot some shit and I don't know if I could cut her in the hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And shoot shit right after that joint, I used to be tweaking though back in the day.

Starting point is 00:03:38 Like, I was like, before even guns ever came in the picture, I started getting shot and doing shit, I was punching on shit, bro. Yeah. Because I ain't gonna lie, I was a young, but I was boxing and boxing got to my head. I thought nobody can beat me. So I used to fight every day, bro. I used to fight like probably like three or four times a day, bro.

Starting point is 00:03:52 Like rumbling, like before school and at the school, punching on shit every day. Bro, that's nuts, man. Now, so you actually lived in the Johnson's family home as a kid, though, right, at like five years old? So look, this right. So originally I'm from 25th and Domain. Yeah. Johnson's own projects. So all my family, like my grandma, aunts, uncles, cousins, everybody wants to still live

Starting point is 00:04:17 on that block. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, first school I went to was William Dick, pre-k and all that. My mom ended up moving me, though. And she had moving us a couple years, like, down the line. And then, but to her area, it was not really like a street block, though. It was like a real, like, she chilled back, you know, laid back. But I went to school in Uptown and boxing Uptown.

Starting point is 00:04:42 So as I got older, though. I just started hang with my man and I'm up Everett Project. So that's really what I rep, just Everett Projects and Sarah from there, you know what I'm saying? It was like my second home, so I just, that's a blackout rap. Yeah. So after five years old, I think you, your mom, and then with your stepdad called Eric, right? Yeah. Your move to, like, your homes and then...

Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah, he really read the book, yo, real rap. He really read that John. Bro. Yo, listen, I ain't going to lie. I didn't get you as cat when you said you finished that Joan. Yeah. Yo, he really read that Joan. I'm a researcher, man.

Starting point is 00:05:15 I ain't going to lie. I ain't lie. I rock with that. Bro, he real rat. Bro. Bro, like, listen, man, right? Because I try to take every interview seriously, right? So, like, trust me, bro, like, I did some deep research outside that book, too.

Starting point is 00:05:28 Right? So, like, I'm privy to, like, some info. You probably like, damn, Nick, how you know that? Right. So trust me, bro, like, it's going to be a great interview, you feel me? So you, your mom and Eric moved to, like, the new homes, right? Right. And then it became a blended family.

Starting point is 00:05:40 So it was you, your sisters and then, and then Julian, right? Yeah, that's my stepbrother. Yeah. And then you actually met some neighbors. So, yo, when I first heard that story, bro, I'm. I was like, because the females have some ghetto names. I'm talking about Shaniqua, Shakita. Ah, yeah, shop, put, nacho, real red.

Starting point is 00:06:00 And then the brothers have some like squares, like white people names. Brad and Jim, I'm like, I'm like, what the hell, right? Well, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? Their names is similar, but I kind of change their names up a little bit. Yeah, I got you. It's really, uh, it's really, uh, Greg and Tim. Mm-hmm. So that's what it really is.

Starting point is 00:06:16 Tim, I got his name tattooed on my arm. Yeah. Yeah, man, bro. Like, that's, bro, like, your book is probably one of the best books I've read in a while, right? But, okay, so, so, so, so, so, so, like, you guys and your mom and, like, stepdad moved to this, like, new place, right? Right. Cool. So, now you started taking boxing a little seriously around with age.

Starting point is 00:06:37 I say, I was doing it since, like, eight, but at, like, around, like, about, like, 10, 11, I started, that's when I started getting fights. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because I got about, like, a hundred emminton fights. Yeah. Now, for niggas like me who was unathletic, like, I can't do shit. Well, okay. So to these niggas, I'm a fucking world-class athlete, right? Because, bro, I've documented.

Starting point is 00:06:54 No, trust me. Like, I've dominated them in every sport. Like, I beat the one dude here who, like, like a high school basketball star diggas. Man, bro, whooped them, bro, like, what, like 10 to two, right? Right. I beat the one shorty in a race. Like, she was like a fellow, like a track athlete, track star. Burned her in a race.

Starting point is 00:07:11 Here, right? Smoked him at this workplace. Boy, you're a real athlete. So I was kind of impressed. Like, how did you get so great at boxing so freaking early? Honestly, you know, it's crazy. Anything I ever wanted to do, I was good at it, bro. Anything.

Starting point is 00:07:25 Like, if I wanted to do it, like, I became great at it. Like, and I ain't going to lot. Like, and boxing the amortures, I only got a couple losses, not that many. I don't got more than 10 losses over, like, 100 fights. Wow. And my early losses came, like, early on, like, young. But once I got to a certain point, I stopped losing. I'm talking I went to the Nash.

Starting point is 00:07:43 Every fight I made it to the Nationals and everything. Like, I was going to every nationals, cooking, every day. and fully cooking everybody in DC, Virginia, then going to every nationals, like, I'm saying? Because the region was usually being, like, D.C., Virginia, that area like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:57 So, I remember I was at the 2005 nationals and all that. And it was out there bussing. I got disqualified though for, I always had like a bad anger problem. Yeah. A dude kept grabbing me. It was some dude from Arkansas was fighting. He was so poor. He kept grabbed me, hold me.

Starting point is 00:08:10 I couldn't really get my punches off how I want to. So by the time the bell rung, he went back to his side of the rain. I cracked him back of the head. And I was used to doing that at like other tournaments and fights and all that. They just give me a warning. Yeah, they just give me a warning. Like, yeah, I mean, the nationals? Nah, they just qualified me off the rip.

Starting point is 00:08:29 I was mad as shit. Like, damn. You went to national, yo, I'll be real, bro. Like, if I'm a hood nigger and I know, bro, this nigger went to a national, man, I ain't fighting you, though. I'm just, bro, I'm not fighting you at all, nigger. But look, you know, it's crazy, though. That's how guns ever came in the picture, though, bro. So I was boxing, and when I told you, I used to punch some shit every day, bro, bro,

Starting point is 00:08:47 Not only in Philly, all, like, every day at the school, punching on shit, bro. And then it got to a certain point, and the niggas was like, bro, we ain't fighting that boxing board, bro, bro. They were like, we ain't, we're going to rob him. They said, we're going to pop him. So that's when I remember the first joint I had, I stole from my dad and shit. It was like a, it was a non-brothera. I stole out of his store and shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:08 I mean, then I did that. I'm like, shit, I just got to start popping, niggas, bro. That's wild, right? So, like, you actually, like, and spoken at that, too, right, where. you was boxing, getting good grades, and just doing great, right? I was a good kid, smart. I was a straight-day student, bro. Right.

Starting point is 00:09:23 And then you was, and then, like, you started working with your father, and then, like, he was paying more attention to, like, the hood niggas with, like, the crazy stories. So is that will lead you into, I guess, going down that route of, like, showing out? I'd be honest with you, it is. Like, when you're a young boy, you look at your dad, like, yes, like, yeah. Like, how my son, my son look at me, bro? My son looked like me. Like, he won't be just like me.

Starting point is 00:09:45 So that's how he used to be with my dad. Like, I want to be like my dad. And he used to, like, you know, I was doing everything right, the good way. Grades, boxing. Like, he's like, he ain't really like... And I don't like to say this like in a bed because my dad always been in my life, though. Of course, real way. Like, even to this day, we still talking phone and everything.

Starting point is 00:10:01 That's like my, you mean, that's my dog. But back then, he just wasn't paying attention to the good shit I was doing. Like, he had fucked with all the little street young boys and all that. So I'm like, bet. I started tweaking. I started getting in trouble and shit like that. I remember one day my dad told me, he said, you said, He looked at me and said, bro, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:10:17 What the fuck happened to you, bro? Yeah. He said, you was a good kid. He said, you fucked up now. That's what he told me. I said, nigga you. What you're talking about? Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:10:25 I said, you're tweaking, bro. You should have paid attention to the good shit. I would never start tweaking. Yeah. No, like, so like, that's kind of like, it's like generational trauma, right? Where like, as like black fathers, like they really don't know how to love, right?

Starting point is 00:10:38 Since their fathers were old school, I'm talking about like, work 16 hours a day, come home and like, you know, right? So it's kind of like, he probably did this, did the exact same thing to you and never truly understood it, right? But once you got that gun, though, like, how did that gun, like, kind of, like, changed it, right? Because, like, you even, like, spoke on the first robbery with, I think it was Traff, right?

Starting point is 00:10:57 Like, you spoke on, like, bro, like, we took everything, man, but I just wanted to use that shit, dog. Yeah, like, I came, like, I ain't going to, and all this stuff is old stuff, too. Like, you know, for the camera. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not in the streets anymore. I don't do nothing. It's your story, though, yeah. Yeah, it's my story, though.

Starting point is 00:11:13 But when I was young, I don't do no shit activities, but when I started you first using the gun, I don't know, bro. I just love shooting, bro. Like, it got to a point where, like, none of my homies are, and they was about to go jam, son. They wouldn't take me, bro, because I would turn that shit to son knows that they didn't need to be. I'm saying. So I just, I just found love with guns after that. Like, but my mom always said, though, like, she'd be like, yo, you always been in love with guns though since you was a young boy, though. Wow.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Like, she said, I always like, he used to get, like, toy guns and shut out the stories and all that. Yeah. And he used to cry. She said, once I was like, too, I used to cry. when she didn't buy me a toy gun so I'm like shit I don't know I probably I just love I just love guns I still love guns

Starting point is 00:11:50 I ain't gonna lie to bro but I don't be I'm just not doing dumb shit no more like I mean but wait I mean bro again if you love guns though why don't go to the army man bro you will fuck up shit in the army bro you will bro you would like bro listen like your kill street would be like 35 straight bro you would kill shit in the army bro your kill street will go

Starting point is 00:12:07 crazy bro I've been shot too many times bro I don't want to go no army I don't want to be around No violence, period, bro. I don't want to be around no, like, I'm traumatized, bro. Yeah. I'm traumatized, bro. Like, that's how we're telling people.

Starting point is 00:12:20 They see my skits, right? So they think that I'm promoting violence and all that, right? And I try to tell people, I might promote violence. All I'm doing is recreate my memories and my life of what I've been through, bro. That's all. I'm just showing everything I've been through, bro. But I'm doing it in a different way. Rappers, they talk about it and shit like that.

Starting point is 00:12:38 Me, I'm showing it. That's the only difference, bro. I'm just showing what I've been through. And they think I'm promoting my own. but I'm not. Because I say all the time, I'm not in the streets no more, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:46 I don't do, I'm not hard doing crazy shit no more, bro. Yeah. Here, right, facts right now. Speak on old man. Like, how did it, did a death of Jim or Tim like change you? Change me, bro.

Starting point is 00:12:58 I remember, look, you know, it's crazy. He died, like, when I, um, that was the first close death. And I lost a lot of people close to me, bro. A lot of people was like, and that was the first one that was close to me.

Starting point is 00:13:11 He was like, like, I grew up and I was with, But I got brothers on my dad's side and I got a baby brother on my mom's side now. But he's 17. But growing up in the household, which is me and all girls. So he was more so like a big brother to me. I was the only boy in the house. He was a big brother to me.

Starting point is 00:13:28 So I just got back from the nationals, man. I just got back from a tournament, a fight. I won it. I got back. I'm happy. I'm on his boxing. We're taking a little break off because my trainer used to give us like at the tournament. I miss fights and all hate, like, yo, take a week off, then get back in the gym.

Starting point is 00:13:46 Take a week off, I'm sitting on my porch. And they just, I heard the news. They come in there crying. Sisters come in there crying saying, yo, he got killed. I just cried, bro. I was crying for a minute, too. I'm talking about a day straight. Like, that shit, that shit.

Starting point is 00:14:01 They heard it. Like, for real. Man, how old are you? At that time, I think I was about like 15, 16. 15, 16 years old? Yeah. Yo, it's moments like that that can really, you know, especially in the hood, bro.

Starting point is 00:14:11 It's shit like that that that really, turns, like young niggas to like, yo, like, we gotta grow up now, right? Because like, shit like that. And, you know, even like, I think you said, man, once that happened, man, like, the first thing in on, like, your amount was revenge, right? It was get back, bro. Yeah. Like, I, like, it's crazy because that's what really, like, did it for me.

Starting point is 00:14:29 Like, so even when I was punching on shit, niggas on my wing, fighting and boxing dude, we're going popping, I had grabbed a gun and shit like that, but I wasn't, I, at that time, I didn't, you know, I used the gun, like, you know, but I never, I didn't really wasn't I here tagging shit for, for, like. Like, I'm talking like to that. I'm tagging shit, bro. I'm talking about anybody can get hit now. Like, I'm like, I was just, I was just, it changed me.

Starting point is 00:14:49 It turned me. It turned me, like, pain really changed you, bro. That should turn me to somebody else. Like, and then after that, we're just like, I just, like, I just fell in love with it. And now I'm just like, I'm just out here doing dumb shit. I started, I start saying, fuck boxing. Yeah. I started going to the gym less.

Starting point is 00:15:02 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Not right. So at this point, though, and you linked up with the EA mob dudes, right? Yeah. But I guess they were going against the. only boys but then the only boys were like your I guess old homies right so like why did you choose the EMA over the only boys and and and and that name is all fake names

Starting point is 00:15:23 yeah it's for the it's for the it's the book but it's still it's but it's real life so I did that because the dudes that um what name I because I don't want to say the real name I gave not the the other one what name I gave them in the book again it's Jermaine no no not that I'm talking about the name I said that the old the old boys Oh, yeah, those. Oh, the Olney boys. That's what I said. Oh, yeah, the Arleney boys.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Because I ain't one of, what's the name, you know. Yeah. But I used to be with them every day, a bro, Nali and all that, at the school and all that. But I ended up choosing them because I honestly don't know. At that time, it was just like, you know, they was related to Tim and all that. And then it was just, and Tim was like a brother to me. So it was like, it was just, I don't know, it just happened that way, bro. And it's like, but when I started messing with them, you know, it is already anyway, guilty

Starting point is 00:16:17 by affiliation. So they already, like, had started slime past my folks crib and all that. So after that, it was just up. After that anyway. Yeah. Because they was already mad that I was cool with them. So it was just, it was what it was at that point. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:30 Yo, right? So like, I always say this. It take a smart nigga to like hop in the streets, right? Because if you're not a smart nigga, bro, like, you get chewed up probably within like a month or so, right? Because like, like, me, I cannot get in the streets. Right, because, bro, I just lack awareness. I'm not street smart, right?

Starting point is 00:16:47 Like, right? I'll get chewed up, right? And, like, you kind of showed, show, like, you being like a fucking genius, right? I think, like, you, you, like, talked about, like, you and some dudes went on, went on, like, a drill, right? Yeah. And, like, one left, but then you and Jermaine got caught,

Starting point is 00:17:04 but then, like, you automatically thought, yo, listen, like, turn your jacket in and out so they can think that we're part of dance crew, bro. How did you even think about some shit like that? Because, bro, like, honestly, I always been, like, analytical like that, though. I always think, though, like, I always been like that though. Like, I was a straight-A student, so I always used my brain. That was just the first thing, and we got off on that.

Starting point is 00:17:25 They found the pipe and all that day. They found the gunnet, but they took us down to the station. I was talking about they was on, um, they was going to run DNA and all that, but I know they was kept because they only do that when it's really like a homicide involved and all that. And they're lazy. Yeah. So they ain't, they didn't do none of that. They end up just letting us go.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Because we had the same story that we was the inside boys. And at that time, I told you, you used to have all the little dollar boys, the, you know, the little dancing groups and all that. D-Mat, yeah, exactly. So they just, they end up dropping us back off like early that morning to my mom crib. Yeah. And now speak on an incident at the Chinese store. So what happened that day? At the Chinese store, which one?

Starting point is 00:18:04 So I think it was you and Sheim who, who, who, like, went to Chinese store. some things like conspired there and then you told him your hair bro like grab this and run right so like what happened at the Chinese store oh when a book when three when three niggas when three three boys oh yeah damn he gotta got me talking crazy

Starting point is 00:18:30 by the way crazy story I know I know no trust it bro trust bro like bro he really did his homework bro yeah man bro trustin bro like your story is like a fucking movie And I feel like, like, once people truly hear, like, your full story, bro, trust and brother, like, we got a part one to this. We're going to do a part two interview. Right. Right.

Starting point is 00:18:47 So, yeah. So, what that join was, uh, I told you at this point, Tim already had got killed and all that. Yeah. I'm just, now I'm just shooting shit up, bro. I'm just tagging anybody. Yeah. Three dudes looking at me, looking all crazy. Tag, am I?

Starting point is 00:19:06 Yeah. Like, crazy. Tag three of them. Um, I get up out of that. He passed him to John to get. He gets caught, though. He got a book in tow, though. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:17 And he didn't have come home, though, because the dudes, none of them died, it was just like three attempts. Yeah. And they, it's a long, long, long, long time ago. Yeah, of course, a long time ago. But he basically,

Starting point is 00:19:30 they came to court and was like, no, that wasn't him. It was some dude with a face tattoo. At that time, I only had one tattoo on my face. Yeah. And they let him go. He beat it. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:19:39 And again, people, the statute of limitations is all going on. Yeah, that's way going. Right? But, though, like, while he was actually, like, fighting that, though, I think you was chilling at Mitch Crip, right? Yeah. And Jermaine called you and said, yo, bro, like... Turn yourself in.

Starting point is 00:19:53 Yeah. They're tweaking, but, like, basically, just Josh sent you on the phone. Try to get me to, like, tell him myself, I'm like, yeah, bro, you didn't do that. You are hearing, bro, like, doing dumb shit, bro. You are turning myself in? I'm like, bro, I'm not turning myself in, bro. I'm going there and say, yo, that was me that did it. Like, no, they're going to cook.

Starting point is 00:20:09 me, bro. Three attempts, bro, they're gonna cook me easy, bro. Like, you're tweaking, bro. I'm like, bro, tweaking, like, I ain't doing that. He gonna come home anyway, bro, he didn't do it. They gonna, nobody died. They're gonna come to career and say, yo, that wasn't him. They seen who did it.

Starting point is 00:20:23 Yeah. They seen it. Yeah, of course. No, but like, at that time, though, like, you and the E&M out dudes were like super close, right? Was that the first time that you realized there was a chink in, like, the friendship and, like, these dudes were kind of like not all the way riding down, Yeah, they tried to be like me, bro.

Starting point is 00:20:41 Like everything, like I used to treat them. I used to treat them, bray. I used to smack them to the store, all the type of shit, bro. Yeah. And then, um, I told you, I always be, bro, who I am. Wait, wait, wait. You used to sit niggas to the store, meaning like, you were like, like, like, low-boying these niggas at like 15, 16 years old.

Starting point is 00:20:59 Yeah, bro, I always been, bro, but I told you before, like, you don't, like, you don't, I don't mind. Like I said, I'm my, bro, I'm not trying to promote violence and be this, like, person, but I was, like, I'm not, but I'm not, like, I am who I am and I've been this person my whole life, bro. And like I said, before guns, I used to punch you on shit, bro. Of course. Like, niggas, they don't want to be playing with me, bro.

Starting point is 00:21:17 Like, even to this day, niggas that do that internet shit and all that, they scared me in real life, bro. Like, real shit. Not facts. I used to terrorize these niggas. So it was like, niggas started getting tattoos and all that since I was a young boy, bro. So I've been getting tatted and all that. Back in the days, I had a curly top and all that.

Starting point is 00:21:31 Niggas try to do the same shit. Like, I mean, it's always been like that, bro. I always have an influence over with people, bro, my whole life, bro. niggas want to be like, I mean, be like me, though, and talk like me, be like, like, I mean, like, been like that my whole life, bro. Yeah. So. Nah, so, uh, taking back to the day of January 19, 2009, uh, what happened that day,

Starting point is 00:21:53 then, like, so, like, so, like, significant in, like, your, your life, man. Um, man. Man, that day, that day was, so basically, um, we wanted to go slide. We slid. I ain't going to say, you know, like I said. Yeah, of course. Like too much, but we slid on something. And it was an undercover cop right there.

Starting point is 00:22:12 I ain't know it though. He was in the car. He started following me. And try to get away and all that. And then trying to say what I'm saying too much. But they end up killing the cops and they're killing with my friends. Yeah. Killing one of my friends, my young boy.

Starting point is 00:22:29 It was his birthday that day they killed him. And after that we got a book. And I just like, you know, so the cops, he did it. He was dead. Yeah. I mean, yo, bro, I'm glad that you brought that up, right? Because like there's another dude right now called Terrence Gainesville. Like, you know who he is?

Starting point is 00:22:47 Yeah, I heard him, I don't know he is, though. Yeah, like he's Bremen's brother, right? Yeah. So like, bro, like, and like he's facing life. Right. Life. I'm talking about, no, sorry. He got sentenced to life.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Right. Meaning like he's out of here cooked. So then the Fass said, like after like 25 years, the Fass said, bro, listen, man, like, just tell us who did these things. did these quote-unquote murders and we go, and it was some dad niggas and who did it. Right. I'm like, nigga, if I die. They should say, people should I say that it was telling. Yeah, I'm like, how?

Starting point is 00:23:17 He's dead. That's, bro. You can't tell him no dead, bro. Yeah. You can't tell him nobody that's dead, bro. Like, I'm, like, bro. Like, bro, I'll be personally, I don't go for. Who think they're telling him, bro?

Starting point is 00:23:27 I'm gonna do it again and again, bro. I don't do it again. Nigger did, he did that, bro. Yeah. Like, I don't go fuck what a fuck what nigg is talking about, bro? Like, bro. You're facts, man. Bro, again, like, I'm not in the streets, bro, but nigger, you know, if I die, please put all the time.

Starting point is 00:23:41 Same. Put your mom. Me and my homies talk about that all the time. I swear to God, bro. I call my men right now. We tell it, bro, you already know what to do. You already know what to do, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:51 Them Jones come back up and round. Yeah. And what's the name? Yeah, man did that. Mm-hmm. That simple, bro. Yeah, man. Here, but, but, like, people at that time, though, like, was not fond of you putting it on, like,

Starting point is 00:24:05 the dude and who are like... Mm-hmm. They got killed and all that. You know, they just, you know, I mean? Yo, bro, but I heard niggas was out here dropping dissacks against you fucking, like a common of face... Wait, so no, so like, was IG popping at the time or no? No, it was IG.

Starting point is 00:24:20 It was like... It was Facebook. Yeah, Facebook and shit. And, um... Yeah, it wasn't all at that time. Yeah, it was like Facebook and... I don't think MySpace was around that time either. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:32 I mean, my space was just dying out or something like that. But yeah, all of them niggas scared to me, though, bro. They used to just do that shit. Then when I catch them, no, bro, you know, we're just talking shit, bro, little bit. I say my name again, I'm smacked. The shit off you, bro. Yeah, of course. They stop playing me, bro, bro.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Yeah, of course. They're turkey, bro, real rap. That's what I'm saying. Like, things are doing the internet shit like that when they see me, they don't, I never got the same energy, bro. Nah, but like, and, like, I kind of heard that too, right? Like, you caught one of those, like, fat dick heads, like, just like, just, like, walking and shit and strolling. Yeah, best, best, best, oh, you know what's crazy, bro. Look, my man was just down on this young, not down with this young, but in Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:25:08 He was just in Atlanta with me from Philly, right? Yeah. He just left a couple days ago. We just was talking about that, bro. I swear to God, that's crazy. According, he walked. Like, so I'm at my brother, right? My brother's not in the streets, though, my big brother.

Starting point is 00:25:21 So I tell my big brother, I see him, I said this, bitch. He's me, like, he just like, then he started power walking. I said, this fat, bitch-ass, man. I said, bro. I said, get the card, bro. I tell him, I said, bro, get the will. I said, I was on, I was on, I was on draw. I ain't going on line.

Starting point is 00:25:34 I was on Twitter because I, you know what, like, bro, I ain't going to lie, bro. I hate these niggins, bro, just because they do all this internet shit and scared in real life, though. So they, it bothers me when people do certain shit knowing how I get. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you don't know me, like, trolls and all that talking about, it's one thing. I laugh at shit like that, but when you know how I get and you still play on me, I'm like, I'm like, bro, I'm like, watch when I catch you, bro.

Starting point is 00:25:56 But the thing is, he walking by, he power, I said, bro, get the wheel. My brother, he started bitching, but I don't want to say bitching, because he's not into nothing, though. He just, he just, like, he has. He can't find his keys now and all that. I'm not ready back. He's like, oh, take my little cousin's bike. I take the bike.

Starting point is 00:26:10 I catch boy, bro. I catch boy at the bus stop trying to make a... I don't know why. He must ain't have a cell phone or something, bro. Bro, dirty-ass young boy. Like, on a pay phone trying to call, make a call and let niggas know where I'm at. He tried to make a call, bro, right up on him in the bike. What's up playing on me, bro?

Starting point is 00:26:25 What's all that? I mean? Like, what's up, I was with a tagging man at that bus stop. But I was like, because he was... Bro, he started bitching so bad that he made me feel like I was a bully though. Please, please, no, no. Yeah, like, think it's like, yo, please, bro. Like, like, so he was, it's a shorty that I used to call like a sister to me.

Starting point is 00:26:40 He used to always run his mouth to her, like talking crazy to her. I said, yeah, I'm gonna call right now. I said, you said, you said this to what's the name, right? No, bro, bro, she's lying. I said, I'll call her right now, bro, she goes to her phone and say that I'm gonna pop this shit off you, bro. I call her, she wasn't answering though. He's like, oh, please, bro, thank you, bro. Thank you, bro.

Starting point is 00:26:56 I said, bro, I'm gonna let you live, bro. Like, he was really, that's what I'm saying, but then they go back and do this internet and that shit. Like, I mean, like, this shit fake, bro. Like, bro, right? Like, bro, right? Bro, that's crazy, right? Because I think, like, those were the same dudes because you couldn't go to the funeral. And somebody told your neighbors, yo, man, like, we're going to get him.

Starting point is 00:27:15 And then, like, they came to you. So, like, were those the, like, same dudes making threats? Yeah. Wow. But just that's all it was, though, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he was talking crazy. and then, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:28 Yeah. And then after that, it just led to some whole other shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Somebody threw the first shot, then after that. It was crazy, man.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Now, like, bro, while all the hector was happening, right, a freaking blessing happened. Like, you had a son and then you actually went to jail, right? Mm-hmm. So, for, like, what,

Starting point is 00:27:50 for, like, felony, assault, or what? Assault. For a year. And then I had a, oh, yeah, that's before I, He took my far-croped my pipe case. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, for, uh, they gave me an F1, Eggreda and saw it broke somebody's jaw, but

Starting point is 00:28:02 then they not, I got a knock down. Got since like six to 12 months in jail. Yeah. But then I had, um, I was in jail punching on shit and you know, there's them write-ups and all that. So they made me maxed a little, it was a little year-in-a-county bed, though. I didn't go up top. It was a county bed on State Road in Philly.

Starting point is 00:28:23 Yeah. You know, we got all our jails on State Road. Yeah. You picked the F, all that, host correctionist, all that DC. Yeah. And you had a kid, like, before going in, like, how were you, like, when you had, like, the first kid? Um, you're talking about, because there was one joint in there where I said,

Starting point is 00:28:43 sure they tried to see some young boys, moms, but he wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They told my dad went, yeah. I was still in high school at that time, so I was like, I probably was like, I probably was like 18. Yeah. Maybe 17. Yeah, right? And then while in jail, so you thought this was like your kid, it was all yours, man, you

Starting point is 00:29:01 was excited to be a father. Then while in jail, your mom came to you and told you, hey, son. You said, son, son. I don't know you want this to be yours. The other thing you've been to, I want you to have a, you know, I know you want a little young boy out here running around and all that. But you said, yo, man, it's not your young boy, bro. How does you know?

Starting point is 00:29:18 You know moms, no, bro. Yeah. You know moms, no, bro. You know moms, no, bro. It's the features, man. The features, like he don't, bro. I got real strong features. I show you picture my son right now.

Starting point is 00:29:26 My son, like my son like just like me, bro, seeing face, everything, bro. Like, real, right. Young boy ain't looked nothing like me, bro. Youngboy, like Mike Tyson, bro. Really? Real red. Dark skin.

Starting point is 00:29:36 Yeah, young boy like Mike Tyson. Biggest shit fat as fucking, feel you. Nah, that's why. You know, it's crazy. Young boy really looked like you though, bro. Really? Real right. And you may be my son, man.

Starting point is 00:29:46 Bro, bro, bro. Listen, I have mad cousins up in Philly though. Yeah. Mad cousins. So, bro, you know. One of your cousins, probably. You know, he's, man. Hit my best, bro.

Starting point is 00:29:52 But probably, man, come on now. Oh, yo, you know what? I just realized too. Bro, look, man. Oh. Look, bro. Oh, bro. We got on the same shirt.

Starting point is 00:30:04 Right, right. Man. Say you're here you. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm telling you, man, listen, man, like, bro, things like this don't happen, bro. You feel? This is like coincidences, man.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Come on. You're also, too, listen. Like, we actually never playing this, right? Right. Come on, bro. We didn't play this shit, bro. Man, come on now. You already know, bro.

Starting point is 00:30:24 Now, okay, so you got out. Now, like, okay, how did you officially find out the kid wasn't yours? When I came home, Shody was, I didn't even let her know I was home, bro. I just started posting shit on Facebook or something like that. She started blowing my mom, joan up. Like, yo, where he at, bro? Like, I'm telling my mom, I don't answer to her John. But then eventually, I ended up gang, young boy, and then we had to do with them little testers and all that.

Starting point is 00:30:50 But it's crazy because her mom even said it, though. Her mom used to be like, yo, yo. I remember I was fighting my gut, my pipe case. Yeah. I see her mom in court with me one time. Her mom was like, y'all been told that girl that wasn't your baby. She knew it wasn't yours. She just ain't.

Starting point is 00:31:00 But you know how it is, bro. I don't even blame her, though. Surely everybody thinks that's a dude to follow it and then it's not. It looks bad on their part, you feel me? Yeah. But I should have known me. I knew like, bro, surely went to school with me, bro. We always met.

Starting point is 00:31:14 Like, my man was hitting the tube, bro. I'm like, darn, bro. Yeah. Nah, that's crazy. It was always me, bro. I always got a cup of the thought drum, bro. Word? Bro.

Starting point is 00:31:24 He's talking weird. Nah, bro. It's because, like, thoughts are the ones who understand us, like, right? Like, because, like, a thought, like, knows what a guy thinks, like, you right? Like, like, like, speak our language. But good girls are kind of, like, the ones who don't really don't. I ain't gonna lie, but I like good girls, though, bro. You know, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Like, the shodies, like, the shodies that, like, people expect me to like, yeah. Like, I really, like, because of how I look and carry myself. Yeah. That's not that, though. I really like good girls, though, bro. But, you know, it's crazy. It's crazy because the stereo types, bro,

Starting point is 00:31:49 because the good girls be something, they'd be worse than the... Oh, really? Yeah, savage. Yeah, bro. Like, it just depends, though. Like, it's hard out here, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:58 It's hard. Co-hearted, man. Nah, but, like, speaking of good girls, though, like, you actually found, first of all, I'll tell you this, right? I want to do a part two to this

Starting point is 00:32:08 with you and your girl, bro. Fam, she's... Yo, she's a ride or die, bro. Like, I'm told... Bro, when I, like, heard your love story, dog, I said, listen, man, Bro, I got the wrong sort of, right? Like, you know, something crazy, though?

Starting point is 00:32:21 We didn't even together anymore, though. Really? We split it up like a year and a half ago. Wow. But we together for like 11 years though. But no, but definitely though. Like that's the mother of my child, though. Always got respect for her.

Starting point is 00:32:33 I know she gets on my nerves, you know, like anybody do. But I still, you know, still a lot of love for it, bro. Always had my back. I'm to my in-and-out hospitals, jails. I've been locked up. Homies ain't come through, give me no bail money, nothing. She'd come up there. Bell money, got me out of that John, hustling, get the bread up.

Starting point is 00:32:51 Yeah. I'm in the hospital for three months, the second time I got shot. Yeah. Pipes, cables all over, you know what I'm saying? And she held you down. Helmed me down. Up there, she's missing work, coming right after work every day to come see me bro. And I was on the investigation, so she wasn't even supposed to do it, but she snuck up there.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Yeah, of course. So yeah, she was rocking for sure. Now, like, speak about how, like, meeting her, like, changed your life, man. Because you went from this hood rat to now you found, she was like a preschool teacher. She was two jobs. Yeah, she teaches first grade. Yeah, she teaches first grade, no, and she was.

Starting point is 00:33:23 How you bagged that, though, like, as a street nigger? Bro, the good girls, they love street niggas, bro. Like, real rat, they really do, though, bro. You all our bitches, man. That's the fact. Your street niggers fuck all our holes, man. Real right, bro. They love it, though, real shit, though, bro.

Starting point is 00:33:38 They really do, though. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, you know, you get similar, and they'd be, like, they be in a. bag though like, no, like, you too crazy. Like, you can put me in danger. Like, my baby, mine was with all that, though. Like, she was like, I'm talking about her folks even telling her, like,

Starting point is 00:33:52 yo, everybody, her trying to kill him. He keeps getting shot. Like, I remember she had her, uh, her gun license, like, early. Really? Her folks are her, don't have had that joint on her while I'm around, like, to get in trouble. They think I was going to use her gun and all that, but I wouldn't have never did that.

Starting point is 00:34:05 But, like, she, like, she, like, I mean, she was. She's a real one, man. Yeah, I'm talking about she been there when she got, I mean, when they went down, like, she was in there, like, Yeah, Matt Critical. You were hearing something funny, though? What's up? So, look, this is when we first met, like, early.

Starting point is 00:34:19 So, it's old, old again. Yeah, man, old story. So we, uh, my friends and her friends, you all went to the aisle one night. We came back to the block. We get a call that they try to slide that, but niggas been seen them peeping them. They, they rhyme these nays, bro, round through the john like this. Like, they're not even laid back. They all round like this.

Starting point is 00:34:40 Amateurs. Amateurs, bro. Goofies. You know what I'm talking about. type nicks, they get, they get, they get, no, right, bro. They don't mean it, bro. They don't mean it, bro. They just high.

Starting point is 00:34:49 But they slide like this, so they got the car like, yo, they in the, uh, white, da-da-da-da, you mean? All right, bet. My, my, my, mom at the time. She in the world, so I'm hopped out. I'm hyped to shoot, bro. I can't wait to shoot some shit. I have about to join my foot out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:02 But my gun on her car took. Yeah. So she pulling off. My man and them already started bombing on them. They bombing on them already. They're banging out. Yeah. off, my feet scraping the ground, why she's pulling on, because she, she, and they're, like, scared

Starting point is 00:35:18 and I get up out of there. I'm like, oh, my pipe, my pipe, I get my pipe. Boom, I meet them on the other side, bomb on them. You know what, you know what, damn? Bomb on them. She get up, uh, I run back to the wheel, because some of them got out the car and started running. Mm-hmm. I, uh, I run to her car, oh, brought me on board, brought me on board.

Starting point is 00:35:35 I ain't, I mean, I'm trying to tag him. She stopped all the way back though. It was like, like, no, no, so I get out the car, you know, yeah, but, you know what That night she went home and told me like, yo, I ain't never talking to you again. You put my life in danger. Look, she told me that she cut me off, right? I swear to God, bro, three days later, she ran through my block. Like, look at, like, no, it wasn't even three days later.

Starting point is 00:35:57 It was like the next day or two days later she'd come round through the block and all that. Then she tried to act like she was looking for her friend of him. My friend live up here. He was looking for me, man. What's up? Like. They love danger, bro. Yeah, like, oh, what's up?

Starting point is 00:36:08 Like, come on, bro. Can't, man. Listen, bro, bro, I'm telling you right now, bro, her girl's love dangers. That's why. They don't love me, man. You feel me, man? Ah, you don't get, bro. You don't put them in no danger, bro.

Starting point is 00:36:19 Bro, that's true. Maybe, like, I should look, because, like, my girl right now, she's like, you know, she's like a good girl, I'm talking about as good girl as good girl can get you, feel me, man. Maybe I have to call up my cousins, right, and take her back to Philly, you feel me, go probably like Woolen Avenue, you feel me, like King Sesson, you feel me? And fit blocks right there. You must got people over there with us South West, because you name of my. Mad Africans.

Starting point is 00:36:44 Yeah, he named all South West, though. I'm like, yeah, he must don't be there on South West. I got family down there, Baltimore Avenue and all that. Yeah. Oh, no. So, no. So, uh, a one cousin is from Germantown. So, like.

Starting point is 00:36:58 Yeah, that's uptown. I went to school up that way. That's where my boxing gym was at, too. Yeah, word, right? All right, so speak on the first time you got shot because, like, that story is unique. So you were actually on your mom steps. So I'm on my mom's steps, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:12 My cousin, I call my cousin to come grab me. Yeah. But he used to always be bitching about me, bringing the pipe in the world and all that. Like, you know, he don't be on that. You know, man, I don't care. We're gonna take them on. We're gonna take the law on the chase, you in me? Like, he's tweaking, like, well, I'm like, he with him, though.

Starting point is 00:37:27 I try to respect his wishes, though. So we're sitting, I'm sitting on the porch. I'm waiting on, I put the gad up. It's in the crib. And it's crazy. You know what's crazy? My mom used to go outside. My mom used to lock the door, bro.

Starting point is 00:37:38 For this day, before she goes upstairs, my mom would not go upstairs without locking that door. Yeah. I used to hate when she did it, but she always did it, though. And I'm like, uh, this day she just didn't, though. I'm on my phone waiting on my cousin. He's talking about, he's taking long to me. I'm like, where you're at? He told my, man, I'll be there like 20 minutes.

Starting point is 00:37:53 I didn't make a stop, you know, and I'm just, I'm just, pulls outside. I look to the left of me. I'm on my phone like this, I'm to the left. I'm like, I see two dudes walking up. But it's crazy because I can't see these faces or, or, uh, they got all black on and all that. But I know it's dumb who it is, but by they, they, they, you know. They, what's the word I'm looking for? They figure they walk.

Starting point is 00:38:17 Like I said, you know, like, I know them. So I'm like, I was dumb. But in my mind, I'm so shout out, bro. I could have easy one in the crib and avoid getting shot. I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, these niggins are better. Bro. Yeah, absolutely. I'm like, these niggas, bro.

Starting point is 00:38:30 I know these nags. They're turkey, bro. I'm like, he ain't going, they ain't knowing shit, bro. Then in my mind, I'm like, I'm like, they ain't got no pipe with them. I'm going to punch you on these nags, right? Yeah. As soon as I'm thinking this in my head, they just start, right? I just see.

Starting point is 00:38:42 I said, oh, shit, they start throwing that shit at me. Ma, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. I go, boom, I go grab the door. As soon as I grab the door, hit me in my hand right here. Yeah. See how it is? And it came out like right here in my mind. This is my fingers.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Well, I got shot on my hand twice, but... Yeah. This is my fingers like that and all the fuck this and all that, but hit me in my jaw. Yeah, my phone hit the mic. But I threw myself in the door, kick the door shut. Boom. They still shooting and hitting the couches and the tables and shit in the crib,

Starting point is 00:39:09 but I'm down, I'm crawling upstairs to get my gun, But when I get in my gun, they go long going. I stopped having shot. So I was like, I just, I got real weird too, bro. It was my first time getting shot, bro. I ain't going to lie. I got weird. My mom, my mom.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Son, what happened? You okay? I remind you, I know I only got hit in my hand because I feel it. I'm like, mom, oh. Yeah. I got a shot, mom. Look, then I even get weird. Like, I didn't even do this, bro.

Starting point is 00:39:31 I got real weird, bro. Passed out. Yeah, I ain't like, I got passed out. She's like, son, I'm like, I got wig. Oh, man. Yeah, bro. Bro, off a hair shot, though, I started tweaking. But I was like, it was my first time getting shot, so I was like, I don't know, but it was

Starting point is 00:39:46 weird. You know, it's crazy? That's probably like the worst out of all the times. Yeah. That's like the only time I really felt it, though, for, for like, I'm saying. The second time I got shot seven times coming out the club, but I was like unconscious and shit. Wait to put the first time, though. So now, like, you say, yo, I know these dudes.

Starting point is 00:40:02 So, like, these were the fake names, again. This is not real people. The fake names were the Jermaine dude who called you and told you. to, right, to like, cop up to like the gun charge. And then the Mitch dude, who like, you was actually like, who, who like was your homie? Not that gun charge at three attempts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah, right? Yeah, so one, like, why were they after you? They was beefing, because the whole beach started over the young boy they got killed. Okay, yeah. So that's what it, that's what it all started over, you know what I'm saying? And then it came to, you know what I mean? It just, it went from there. Did you know, though, that it got in that serious

Starting point is 00:40:41 to where they were actually going to, like, do you... Yeah, because people, somebody was talking, they were talking crazy and all that. So after that, it was like, all right, now, I mean, it's up now. Yeah. It's up. It was already talking crazy, bro. You start playing with my name doing certain shit. You're up, bro.

Starting point is 00:40:54 I don't play like that, bro. No fact. I do not play like that, bro. That's why I heard to my court, one of them was like, I don't play like that, bro. Yeah, not facts, right? After that, though, it was just up, so... Yeah, now, speak on the second time, you guys. How did that happen?

Starting point is 00:41:08 Second time I got shot was, it's me being cocky, really, like, me and my man, we beefing heavy in the city. So one of the folks, he had a party, but it was on a flyer, so they knew that our block was going to be there, the office, and all that. He knew he was going to be there, bro. And I actually seen them before I even went in and all that, but we know us. We all polled, though. We're like, we're pulled.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Like, man, we're like, back first you back then, I'm like, bro, I'm pulled. Like, we're going to just, we're going to just, we're going to just, we're going go through whatever like it's what you're doing at john boom drinking all that come outside my babe mom it's crazy because i wasn't even supposed to go with my babe mom told me she was going with her friends and all this i'm like shit i'm going to that too you tweaking like you're like you're doing that jones like we're a rap so i'm in that john like we're a rap so i'm in that we leave i'm like my homie's number all leaving though but i'm like i'm like now i'm waiting on i'm waiting on my shorthy like at the time i was like in dumb to love bro like i was in love like i'm

Starting point is 00:42:07 I'm waiting on her. I'm on my phone texting. She's like, yeah, I'm coming out there. It was a long line. They say, I know her, mom. Look up. I said, my, mom. I should just, I dropped.

Starting point is 00:42:17 My leg was like this. I tried to get up and run. And all the last, I can't really say, because that stuff, that shooting was the feds that picked it up on the table. It was like, because nine people got shot. So it was like, it became a big thing. And even in the hospital the whole time,

Starting point is 00:42:33 I was in an investigation. So I don't want to get too much details. But I couldn't. I couldn't move. I tried to get up and run and all that. And then you see, I got footage. You see the dude. The shooters is backing up for some reason.

Starting point is 00:42:46 Maybe somebody started shooting back or something. I don't know, bro. They started backing up. And, yeah. I was stretched. My homie came, picked me up, threw me in a cop car, smacked me to the whole way to the hospital and shit. It's crazy because I was laying on the ground for a minute.

Starting point is 00:43:04 My babe mom called me. She was like, you know, at the time, like I keep saying, she was in my baby mom at the time. Girl, yeah. Yeah, that's just how I referred to her though. But she called me, I play so much. You know, I got like a silly person on me, so I'll be playing around. So she, I'm like, I just got hit. She said, man, get out playing.

Starting point is 00:43:24 Yo, where's, I'm gonna come outside. You okay, where you at? I got hit. Said, boy, stop playing. I just dropped the phone like this. That's all I remember. I did everything, start being like glimpses after that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:43:35 Man, that's cold. In the interview, sorry, in the hospital, not interview, but in the hospital, yo, like the doctors told your mind that you died? Yeah, I died when I first got there. Yeah. The whole hospital called me miracle child, bro. Wow. Yeah, they called me miracle child.

Starting point is 00:43:51 They ain't know how I survived that shit, bro. Because I passed away, and then I came back, and they told my mom after that. They were going to be paralyzed. Wow. And I either because I got, like, you see, I got pillows all in my back. Yeah. That hair and down and all that. So it's like, I wasn't neither, bro.

Starting point is 00:44:05 I'm just blessed, bro. Bro, that's insane. So, like, they truly, like, taught you die or, or, like, you really, like, died, like, lost all type of life. Yeah, I died. And they came back. Yeah. And he brought me back, bro.

Starting point is 00:44:19 I don't know. I don't mean, God, bro. Yeah. Yeah. That's, like, that's, like, that almost, like, almost like never happens, dog. Yeah. God damn. Now, the third time you got shot, because I'm sorry, at this time you got shot down eight times, right?

Starting point is 00:44:32 Yeah, yep. No, sorry. Because- You got hit eight times, yeah. Yeah, in this order, because I got shot 1736 in that order. Yeah. Yeah, so, but the second time, eight times. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Then the third time was, it's crazy because my cousin, he boxed too. He in the feds right now doing 20 years, though. But I pulled up on his block in South West, and one of his little soft-ass homies was out there, boy, turkey. So he, my cousin was in Vegas getting ready for, he's in training camp. Yeah. So he's like, ooh, saw this party with me, bro. I was like, how's Joe in West Philly, bro? I'm like, I heard back.

Starting point is 00:45:09 Come on, bro. First, I wasn't even going to go to that Joan, but I'm like, I heard back, we in that Joe. I'm like, I ain't had nothing that's going on. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, bad, let's go. So we get down there.

Starting point is 00:45:19 And really, he was about my homie. Because my homie, one of my brothers, like, close. He's from West. He's into a whit. And they know I'd be with him and all that. And, you know, they see me, you know, in a couple of little situations. They know what's up. Of course.

Starting point is 00:45:32 So we in the car. I'm like, um, I'm, boy, where, bro? He's, punk-ficking, though. I'm like, bro, I see them all, like, looking all in the will, clutching on. I'm like, bro, we out this young, bro. I'm from there. I'm from North Philly, bro.

Starting point is 00:45:46 I ain't, I'm from North, really down west. Like, I don't got none of my niggas with me, none of that, bro. Like, we, we tweaking, we out of this young, bro. He can do all this punk-ficking poor to get out. What, bro, we good, bro. You got me rocking with you and all that. I'm type, nigger, bro. I got, I say, I press play, bro.

Starting point is 00:46:00 I say, go. So if I got that one nigga that's going pressing play with me, what? We take on whoever, bro. Yeah. I got somebody, oh, I need one nigga rocking with me, bro. We take on whoever, bro. That's how I'm feeling. I've always been like that.

Starting point is 00:46:12 All right, let's go then. We got out the car, got my joan on me. Yeah, he's joan on him. I start feeling the vibes, though, because one of the dudes I know, I don't really know him like that, but I know him through my other people's and all. I'm like, yo, what's up with, uh? You know, I ain't see no names, but I'm like, what's up with bro? And he just, like, show the shoulders, like, so I'm looking.

Starting point is 00:46:30 I'm like, every time you see you see. See me, bro, you be dicky and every time you see me, you know what I do, nigga, every time you see me, you know what I do, nigga, every time you see me, you're acting like, you don't, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't know me now, you're acting, like, I'm gonna know me right. Dude like this, like he tried to, but he tried to catch me a guard to take my head off, bro, he's like this. Every time I look at him, he up like this. So I let him do it one more time. I'm just like, now I'm just like, now I'm just like, down. I'm just like analyzing everything. Like, how I'm going to do this because it's like, I'm in their neighborhood. Some of them in front of me, this one on the side, keep clutching. So now I'm just like, now I'm just like, this point, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm gonna do one more time. He's like this. He put the gap down. I just pulled it out.

Starting point is 00:47:09 So I shoot, I grazed his head. Boy, I graze him. But he was cool, though. I was only one that really got hurt. Yeah. The dude in front of him pulled out. Hit me, boom, hit me right in my neck. God damn.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Yeah, hit me right in my neck. I spent, rock, gun came on my hand, picked the back up. Start shooting back, boom, we just didn't hear that. It's like I was part of it. It's like 100 people. I'm getting busy. Like cops coming, I'm running, still shooting and all that. They hit me and get in my hand.

Starting point is 00:47:37 I got, you see a piece of my thumb missing? Yeah. They got hit in my hand again and all that. So, um, get up out of that. I tossed my gap. I'm gonna put, uh, it's crazy. I'm toss my, and I'm toss my gap because I heard cops coming. That my only thing was not getting caught with the gat on me.

Starting point is 00:47:51 Like, so I'm like, um, I took that, I tossed that jump. So I'm gonna porch come off my foot trying to get somebody to take me to the hospital because I got, I got, now I got hit on my neck, shoulder. and right here. Yeah. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to, um, make a car, like, yo,

Starting point is 00:48:06 bro, I'm down, blah, blah, so some boy on the porch, he said, yo, what did you say? I just tossed my gun, though, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:14 I would have, I would have tagged, like, as soon as he would have said, I would have been on his ass, bro, I couldn't even do nothing, bro. This is the years when I was on some wild shit,

Starting point is 00:48:21 bro, I didn't get to fuck about nothing. I didn't get, I didn't get, I didn't, bro, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I was saying,

Starting point is 00:48:27 saying I was gonna be dead before 18, bro. That's crazy. Real shit, bro, we said say this shit, like, look, we're gonna be dead anyway. I don't go to fuck, bro. That's the one reason I started tag my feet doing anything because I ain't think I was gonna make it like real shit, bro. I didn't give a fuck.

Starting point is 00:48:39 So I seen, boy, he, uh, he told me, yo, what's up? I'm like, damn, he just started. Bro, this thing started chasing me, bro. He's like this, though, but he didn't even start, I see the gun off, but he didn't even start shooting yet. It was like, it was weird because you do that when it's personal.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Like, like, I didn't, you know, like, I'm trying to hawk somebody down. If I'm hooking somebody down, I ain't shooting yet, I went until I'm getting close. It's personal, bro. Yeah. He's like, that's how he doing. I'm like, this, nigga, no me or something. I'm just still running though.

Starting point is 00:49:05 Like, I ain't never run as fast in my life, bro. Crazy. I got up out of there, though. Once I made it to like a main street, he stopped chasing me and all that. And then I made a little down. My man was all right, because my baby mom, she's pregnant at the time. She jumped up heading that way, but she already on North. We're in West.

Starting point is 00:49:23 My folks are in South West, that's not that. It's like a 10 minutes right down the street. So they already hit to me and all that. So get in there with them. Take me to the hospital. I got across the street. I walked in there. I'm like, yo, I got hit.

Starting point is 00:49:37 They're looking at me like I'm crazy because I'm so calm. I'm like, you all, I got hit. They like, I said, oh, I got hit. Just so I can get some help. Yeah, of course. They said, oh, oh, they jump up. Yeah, all right, give me, yeah, and they situated me. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:52 Now, but like in the hospital, being like, you spoke on Wolf Wall, first off, like you, you spoke on, you You got shot twice before, so you probably thinking now it's over with, right? Because, like, neck, bro, it's over with, right? So, like, you actually, like, went to the hospital. Yeah, it's right with my collarbone there. Like, it broke. Oh, come on.

Starting point is 00:50:07 You feel where my, my, you can feel like this shit broke, where, like. God damn. Like, it's not broke no more, but it's, like, colorbone never heel back straight, like how it was like. Yeah. Like, you can feel it, like, right? It feels crazy, too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:18 That's on my arm would be like this, like. Oh, shit. Yeah, still do that. God damn. Yeah, it's like. I don't know it's weird, but everything I got shot, I started doing that. God damn. Now, first of all, that's insane.

Starting point is 00:50:33 But, like, speak on the out-of-body experience you had in the hospital the third time you got shot. I'm in that young, bro. It's crazy. It's like I'm out of my body, bro. Like, I'm laying on the out. It's crazy because I'm unconscious. Yeah. But I'm hearing everything that's going on, bro, and I'm seeing it.

Starting point is 00:50:49 Like, I see my body on the table, bro. Look, on my son, bro. I see my body on the table. And I've seen the cops in there talking about me and all that. Like, they're saying, like, they're trying to basically, like, they know I got shot because I told them that somebody robbed me. They was like, when I got to the hospital, before they put me unconscious, they kind of asked me questions. I'm like, I said, I was walking. Somebody tried to jam me.

Starting point is 00:51:08 I didn't give it up. They popped me. So they were like, no, they, but then the doctors tell them like, yo, we got to, like, we got to get them right. Y'all try and ask me questions and all that. Yeah. So I'm a conscious. I heard him saying, like, yeah, no, he's lying. It was a shoot and we just reported.

Starting point is 00:51:25 Um, on blah, blah, blah. And da-da-da-da. You probably wanted to shooters. Where the gun at? I just hear him talking, like, but I'm seeing it. Like, but I'm out of my... I was like, it was crazy. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:51:35 Bro, that's insane. And like, that's how I know, like, you was really a savage because those boys ain't give a fuck if you live or die to die, right? Like, like, they was just trying to get you on something, bro. Bro. No, cops always been on my ass though, like that in Philly, bro. Like, wherever I, they always been my ass, bro. Like, I did like a little join.

Starting point is 00:51:53 Like, they always trying to put shit on me, bro. Like, every time... I was one of those faces, like... Yeah. If it's, even this son that I didn't did, if I didn't do it, they still think I did it, bro. Like my name would be in it, even if I didn't do it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:06 Like, real shit, brother, he always like, like, I was just like, like, from my, from my end, one of the one, you know, you got, for certain neighbors, like, known shooters, like, so mine is just one of those faces, even though I'm a good person, you know. Of course. Yo, bro, like, like, so one, this is old. And then two, bro, trust him brother, like, I have probably, bro, like, I have probably, bro, I'm obsessed over your life for the last week or so, right? Right?

Starting point is 00:52:31 So we get into all the other good shit. I mean, man, right? But you're also too, man. But speak on. Like, like, these niggas put 20K on your head? Yeah, I jammed some ball. Cut on out the other club. It was really because my man, though.

Starting point is 00:52:45 My man, my man, shout out, bro. He just put me in the, my man just came home from doing 10 years, too. That's my, that's my blood. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say his name of his joke, yeah. I don't know because he's still, yeah. I don't want to make him hot, but he know he is though, my blood, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:53:02 So we come out of the bar one time. This is John named Fibbers in Philly. What's actually in the county? It's like in, like Derby John, like, they're in John. So we used to go out there because we used to be like a low-key John, like outside of the city like a little far back John, but like like, like, like, ain't too many people know about it. We come out there, John, I'm in that John.

Starting point is 00:53:22 I always used to get my pole in there though. Every time I'm in there, I had my pull on me. So we come outside. My man knew I'm pulled. I don't know what's going on, bro. He just put his own, I don't even know, boy. He just put his arm, his hand around, boy, like his neck and graduating. And just start, like, grabbing his watch over his wrist, boy trying to fight back.

Starting point is 00:53:43 Me, I'm just, you know, I'm the wild nigger, but I've run up with the gags, crack him in the head, boom. God damn. Yeah, I just started tweaking. I switched, like, bro, I switched the guns. I told you, I was, like, bedding so violent. I didn't even care about money, bro. I just wanted to shoot shit.

Starting point is 00:53:56 Wild n'naker. Yeah. So I switched the gun on my left fan and start. Mawthon, boy. No one, bro, punching the shit on him on his head, all that, bro. Treating him. My man, look at me like, bro, you keep treating him, bro, bro. I'm like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:54:08 Now I'm trying to go in his pockets now and all that, you know what I'm saying? We got off with the rolly and all that. But the next day we down South Street. And my man, my man, Dave, he dead now. But he had called me. You know, man, he called me Like, yo, bro, he dropped 20K a piece on your head, bro. He said, bro, I just told me that

Starting point is 00:54:29 that won't matter, though. You won't even let niggas get close to you, bro. Somebody even look at you when you're going to pop the shit out of him. I'm like, true. Yeah. So I ain't going to fuck, bro. I'm like, and the niggas that he would get to, like, try to most likely you pay to do it

Starting point is 00:54:42 where you already beefing with the niggins. So it's like, I ain't go fuck, bro. 20K on your head. And at the time, I'm beefing with everybody, though. But I'm beefing with, like, different nicks all throughout my city, bro. I didn't. 30 hoods.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Bro, I didn't give me the fuck, bro. So I was like, bro, go, like, more apps, more fun. I'm gonna keep sliding. Like, I ain't, like, at that time, this is at that time that I was like, my, I got a totally different mindset now. But at that time, I didn't go fuck. How many niggas, I'm, I knew niggas I start beefing with old, I don't care. Nigger, nigga, you know where I be at, Slot, nigga?

Starting point is 00:55:09 Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying. Bro, that's insane. Bro, 20K means that like this dude is probably like a freaking NBA player, a business owner or something, brack, because 20,000. No, it just. Nah, it wasn't that.

Starting point is 00:55:22 Niggas got, niggas got street money, bro. Got you, got you. Got you. There ain't nothing in the streets, bro. Niggas out of trapping and doing certain shit.

Starting point is 00:55:29 I'm a broke nigga, right? So, like, when I hear 20K, my nigga, that's, like, that's, that's different, man. But, like, okay, so, like, when did you get the idea of,

Starting point is 00:55:40 yeah, let me just visit ATL? So after the third time I got shot, in that situation, I just told you, but I got hit in my neck, shoulder, my brother, he was going to Clark.

Starting point is 00:55:54 So he was like, yo, bro, you need to come out of the joint. Like, you keep getting a shot, bro. Like, you come out of this, you on the hill up. Julian, right? Or who? No, it's, I guess my other brother, Maul. He's on my dad's side. Okay, got you.

Starting point is 00:56:04 Gotcha. So he's like, yo, come on the hill up and all that. I'm like, man, I ain't coming out there, bro. But my, you know, it's crazy. I went and my baby mom bought my ticket, though. She was like, I just had my son. She was like, yo, she was like, yo, go out there, go out there, just slide up there and, you know, get away.

Starting point is 00:56:20 And then she's like, then she already was mad at me because that situation got back to her when I did the bull. Yeah. Then I just did another situation, took somebody's shit. Yeah. Did some other shit to somebody. So she just hammered by all this shit. Like, she getting phone calls. Like, yo, what's up to your baby?

Starting point is 00:56:36 Bro. Then you just have a baby? Why are you out here wrong? Like, he all here tweaking. Like, he just had a baby. Why he out, like, niggas on his ass? Like, you know, I'm saying? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:56:43 She's no, I'm on good, fuck. I'm on that. At all. But she's like, yo, just get away, though. So I'm like, all right? She bought me a flight I came to the egg bro I'm talking about

Starting point is 00:56:50 I ain't never See you bro In Philly I never Only time I ever loved Philly Bro was when I was a young bull For boxing tournaments Bro I never went just to like Enjoy myself

Starting point is 00:56:59 It was always like boxing I'm talking about Even when I go for tournaments The whole time I'm there I'm working out trying to make weight And all that Yeah I never like

Starting point is 00:57:06 So the A was like the first place Ever going I'm like yo This shit different I'm to all day But I'm going to Clark He got me around all the spellman The clerk bitch

Starting point is 00:57:13 But I'm out there He's out there Everything Everything bro I'm out there for a week bro, house parties, hitting bitches in the bathroom, everything. I'm about that joint. Bro, I'm in my, I'm in my heck out there drawing, bro.

Starting point is 00:57:23 I'm like, oh, it's the life. I said, this is right to that. But I ain't going to lie to. I can't go back. I went back home, though. Because, like, I just, like, it's this thing with me, bro. Like, I'm a, like, like, I got this dark side to me. When somebody who played me, I get in my bag, but I'm like a loving, genuine person, bro.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Yeah, of course. Anybody I love and care for it, bro, I'm going to risk my life and freedom for it, bro. I'll always been there. that way. Like, if I love you, like, I'm not going, I'm away, if I drop you off at the house or anywhere you're going to, I'm with you the whole time. I'm, I'm not pulling off to you in the crib. Like, I always, like, put my life in front of people, like, make sure they're safe. Like, I've always been that way. And, um, that's how it is, bro. Yeah, man. And then also, too, here, so you was actually, like, back and forth, right?

Starting point is 00:58:09 And I think y'all took a family trip, Beto Lena, right? You, you're a girl, your mom. Yeah, yeah, but I've been not. No, no, not, not, not, right? Like I said that because look, even by me putting that in a book, like, like, yeah, right? Like that. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, right? So, like, I'm asking that to lead into you, Ashley. And then after that, right, you, like, had to stay there for about, like, six months, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:35 And then once you came back to Philly, you then found out, yo, I got a warrant. Right? Yeah. For a previous gun case, they thought, right? Yeah, there's a pipe case. Yes. and then you was now booked now, right? No, no, no, sorry.

Starting point is 00:58:50 Oh, no. You found out, yeah. I ran. I ran back today. You got the fuck out of that, bitch, right? Now, how did they catch you? So, you know what I think I messed up at? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:00 So when I flew back to Philly, I flew back to Philly, and soon as I got back there, bro, like, they kicked my mom's door down. God, damn, it was on you. Yeah, but just so bad, it was like they was tracking me and something. Like, I guess when my name hit the... that I head back, I don't know how it worked, bro, but it kicked the door the next morning. And I was at my cousin crib. Yeah. And my mom called me, yeah, all these cops out here and unmarked cars and all that.

Starting point is 00:59:26 They said, it's for a body warrant. I'm like, a body warrant. A homicide. You out of that time. I'm thinking homicide, bro, bro, bro, bro. I'm like, oh, homicide on my ass, bro. And I don't know what you're out. I'm not, I'm not saying.

Starting point is 00:59:38 No, like, you said, no way. I ain't never committed to the homicide, man. How dare you think I did some stuff like that? Exactly, bro. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't know. Why do you think I'm on that, bro? So what I did was I had this car, the same card that was my name where I got, how the cops booked me for that pipe case.

Starting point is 00:59:59 I drove it to Atlanta because I'm like, if there's a warrant, I'm not about to get back on a plane. So I had my baby, mom, drive while me and my son are in the back the whole time. 12 robbers, bro. I'm on the floor the whole time, like trying to like, literally like, do not get pulled. pulled over like real rap. So I get, uh, making out that John. And I think when I got down there, I had one of my homies moved the car, right? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 01:00:23 I didn't bring the car to me because I left it somewhere. And he got pulled over. Yeah. And I think by him being pulled over, it let them know that I was in Atlanta. Wow. That's my theory. Like, I don't know for sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:37 But one thing I know is one day I come out of the crib, U.S. Marshals, all of them, just surrounded me, bro. Yeah. I'm in the John. Look, I just come out of the crib. I get in the car. It's crazy because I, even to the egg. hey, like I carried the same way.

Starting point is 01:00:46 I don't leave out the house without a pipe. I don't even got no beef out there, but I'm still carried the same way. I get in a journal. I dump me a tin. I'm in that jar, but as soon as I pull off, they just flooded me, bro.

Starting point is 01:00:59 Like, everywhere running down. I'm like, I'm like, yeah. But the whole time when I was calling around, though, but like lawyers and all, they told me it's for a pipe case, but the way they came, I'm like, oh, a lawyer had lied to me, bro. This for a body.

Starting point is 01:01:10 I'm like, he's a boy, cat, bro. I'm like, he's for a bat. I'm like, this for a bite. Why they come like this for a pipe case, bro? They was on my ass, like you... One person, too, is wild. That's what I'm saying. I was bought myself, bro.

Starting point is 01:01:21 They helped me in Atlanta for like, I think it was like a week or two until they came and got me. Then they, I just, I was on the road for a couple days, almost a week. Stopping at different gels. When I finally got to Philly, I was happy as shit. But then I got a beef for everybody. That's all my opposite. So you're getting them gels, like, it's different in the streets. You know, I'm maneuver.

Starting point is 01:01:43 Yeah. Bro, they shut the jail down when I got, they sent me to pick, bro. Yeah. They shut the jail down. Everybody in that joint told my dissing on one of these folks, bro. I'm my son, bro. Wow. My son is that right now where I'm like, bro.

Starting point is 01:01:53 Bro, I get in that joint. They told me everybody in that joint screaming trying to get at me, bro. God damn. Real shit. That shit like that. That shit just, that shit is crazy down there, bro. But you like scared though, in fact of hair. So, like, just like speak about your, I guess experience in jail.

Starting point is 01:02:06 Was it like smooth? Was it so static? It's not. I'm not. I'm going to keep it a bean with you, bro. Like, you know, like, a lot of niggas, a lot of niggas be too tough, bro. They're not going to give you the real. They're going to be like, yeah, bro, I was in that thing.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Like, like me. Running the jail. Yeah. Me, I ain't going to lie. I carry it the same way. I punch on shit. Anybody play me? I don't care how many niggas is.

Starting point is 01:02:22 It's going to go down, bro. Yeah. I'm going to carry how I carry. I don't go fucking if it's me. If I'm with, if I'm by myself, I'm with a couple of niggas. I'm not at the same way, bro. Yeah. They, uh, I'm in that joint.

Starting point is 01:02:34 Everybody trying to get at me. I wasn't like, I wasn't bitching and none, but it's a headache. It's annoying that every day I couldn't just do my bid in peace that I gotta keep, I got a beef and rumble niggas and stab niggas and all that every day, bro, because niggas on my ass so bad. Like, it's annoying, it's overwhelming, bro, and I was just, like, damn, that one shit would just kept me in Atlanta, bro, I don't got nobody's up there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:55 I'd rather do my time out there, but I'm like, these motherfuckers out here, but I'm like, wildity. Oh shit, bro, they was on my ass in that, bro, and it's like, it's annoying because it's like, you got so many niggas on your ass and you were in jail, so it's like, You can't even, in the streets, you can, you know what I'm saying? In jail, you can't go nowhere, bro. Everybody has to you, like, that shit crazy. Now, you like fought that case.

Starting point is 01:03:17 And then the judge, like... I lost it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? And then a judge gave you house arrest. Yeah, well, I had... At first, I had got sent to... First, I was facing, I think it was like three and a half to seven years. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:30 My lawyer got me one in a... One and a half to three up top. Yeah. So I was supposed to go up top. It did one a half to three. But the judge based it off a case that she said I court at the airport in Atlanta. You know what I'm talking about? I'm going to talk about that.

Starting point is 01:03:46 So, but I tried to tell her. So what I did was she said because I tried to explain to her that after that pipe case, I didn't get in no trouble. And the DA said that she brought up that case. And that's why she gave me one and a half to three. But I ain't thinking on the end of the time. So as I went for a citizen, because you got like 30 days to turn yourself in. I'm like, hold up.

Starting point is 01:04:04 I'm like, no, that shit happened before I quit my pipe case. Yeah. So I hit my lawyer up. He filed a motion. Yeah. And we went back in front of the judge. And when he explained to her, that was before that, and I hadn't been in trouble after the pipe case, then she gave me, he sends me to 11 and a half to 23 months in the county.

Starting point is 01:04:21 Oh. And all that. So I had to sit in the county. Then I got off from house arrest. Yeah. Yeah. Now, while in house arrest, you actually made a viral video, right? Taking a bullet out of my league.

Starting point is 01:04:32 Yes. Now, explain, like, like, what made you? you want to pull out the bullet and post it? Honestly, like I, bro, it was my brother that did that, bro. Like, I don't like, that's regular to me, bro. Yeah, wow. I ain't gonna lie. Like, anybody, like, I remember when that video first went viral, anybody that know me,

Starting point is 01:04:50 they was like, people was like, oh my, my God, yo, they was like, hype about it. Niggas that know me. He's like, that's seafood, bro. He do shit like that all that one time. Like, you never know what that nigga going to. Like, I'm saying, that's just me, bro. Like, before that, I took a, bro, I took a bullet. God damn.

Starting point is 01:05:03 You said like my chest cut open. Mass scars, I know. But it's a joint right here. Yeah. It's like it's a little cut. Yeah. I cut a bullet out by myself, bro. It was a, it was a 40 bullet.

Starting point is 01:05:14 I cut it out with a knife, bro. God damn. I got a picture where I can show you. I cut it out with a knife. And I didn't record no video with that, none of that. So when I took the one out, my- Ain't that painful? It was kind of, it heard a little bit.

Starting point is 01:05:26 It wasn't like, just like, I mean? But I just had to rip through the tissue to get it out. Yeah. It was bothering me, though. Like, it's my sleep. That's why I wanted to get it out. But the one of my leg I was just taking it out

Starting point is 01:05:36 And my brother cut the camera on Like yo I just posted it and it went viral But I didn't I didn't take nothing of it Yo so Hey right So I've never been

Starting point is 01:05:47 Shot right But why don't the hospital Like like it goes out But I still got one right here And then my lungs and heart Yeah They said they didn't take that one out Because

Starting point is 01:05:56 They said if you can live with it By chance Trying to take it out And something can go wrong Yeah But the other ones, I don't know why I didn't take it out, bro. Like, I did it myself. Like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:06:08 Yeah. Yo, bro, if I find out that Philly hospitals are just janky as fuck, that's right? Right? That's crazy. Bro, that's insane, right? But, bro, again, no, man, like, it might just be, you know, protocols, right? Right. So now after that video, then, you started making content now, right?

Starting point is 01:06:26 I think, what, January, January 4th, 2017, was when Seafood said, yo, I'm going to start showing my personality now, right? And I think the video you actually dropped was of you talking about why it's better to have women in your corner than a bunch of niggas. Now, why, Seafood? Why is it better better to have women in our corner than niggas? Women are going to hold you down, bro. You're always going to come through your niggas, bro. You can be out of shooting, robbing, doing everything for your omies, bro.

Starting point is 01:06:56 You get in that jam, whatever. Like, they're not going to be there for you. Like, a woman gonna be there for you, bro. Yeah. Like, they're not. Like, I've been through it. Like, I'm doing this shit from all these, then they got money and jury. They kept this shit and gave me no checks from it.

Starting point is 01:07:09 I mean, like, this shit, I'm saying. Yeah. You know, I'm just, you know, I'm a loo yo nigga, though, so it's like it is what it is. But shorthy, they're gonna come through, bro. I'm to my hospitals. Like, niggies don't try as hard. Like, so when I was in an investigation in the hospital, I don't know, I couldn't get no visits. My niggas, they just heard that. Like, all right. See when they get out.

Starting point is 01:07:30 Yeah. My girl heard that. I'm not there every day. I'm getting sneaking past. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? They're just different, bro. They like, they love hard. Like, no, that's a fact. You know what, so. Now, but like, that video went super viral, right? So at this time, was it like, yo, I can really turn this shit to a business or just, you know what? Listen, like, this shit went viral. I'm just, you know, like, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm just, like, basically, I'm gonna start dropping videos. So it's like, I'm like, I'm gonna start dropping videos. So it's like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna shit, So you know what's crazy? Let me tell you something, bro. Like, there's some rush. I don't really tell people this, right?

Starting point is 01:08:00 So moving to Atlanta, bro, I went through an identity crisis. Yes. Mentally, it fucked me up, bro. I had to get back to, like, I had to get back to me and living my truth, bro. Yeah. So I go from being in Philly where my whole life, I'm talking about niggas, bitches, family. Everybody told me I was crazy, bro.

Starting point is 01:08:21 Yeah. Like, they told me, oh, my mama told you, like, my son throw it off. Like, he'd get in his egg and start twigging. Like, yeah. So it's like, when I come to Atlanta and then by me, want to do something better with my life and people were telling me like, um, like, yeah, bro, you need to collab with these people with these people. These other niggas that do videos, they don't come from the same background as me, bro.

Starting point is 01:08:44 So all these niggas, they're like, they're scared in me, bro. Oh, really? They're like, they scared of me and it's like, so I feel like I had to start, like, not being, like, try to be a different person to be a set there so I can collaborate and work with these other niggas. reality, I ain't even had to do that, bro, because, like, nah, I can just lay him, I can just, I'm doing me, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:01 This whole time, it's like, it's crazy how light work is that he brought me back to really just living in my truth and this whole time not needing none of that shit. All I had to do just beat me, bro. And not care of what they, how they feel, like, I mean? But a lot of them were scared of me and scared of work with me telling the girls, like, yo, why you shooting videos with him? That nigga crazy, bro. He's scared?

Starting point is 01:09:18 Yeah, like, and it's crazy because, like, I was trying. Add some dick shit, though, yeah. You know, it's crazy. And I was trying to not be, like, I was trying to be, like, different. Yeah. And it's like, they see right through that shit, though. They knew like, oh, you know, this thing is still, like, come from where he come from, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:09:31 So I try to, I just try to, I just wanted to change it up and do different, certain shit. I'm like, I try to listen to people. They're like, yeah, bro, I'm doing funny videos. You got to labor yourself a comedian, you got to do this and that. You know, I come from a street background. So in my mind, I ain't no fucking comedian, nigga. I don't play with me. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:09:47 So I just try to, like, oh, be, oh, it's minding this certain things just to, like, get on and try just to do something different. I've been through hell my whole life, bro. Yeah. And out of hospitals and everything in jail and beefing with niggas. I just like, damn, I want to do something like positive, bro. So maybe I do gotta change who I am. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:05 Because these niggas making me feel this way. But in reality, I ain't had to though, but it's just, it just, it took me a while to get to where I met now. I went through this mental, like, crisis, like, for a while, like, where I had to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. So then, like, who are the content creators then now that, like, you fuck with?

Starting point is 01:10:21 Who, like, accepts you for you? I ain't gonna lie. Richard. You love Richard. That's my dog. Okay. Robbie World. Y'all, I love Robbie World.

Starting point is 01:10:30 That's my dog. I interviewed, um, so, like, so me and Theo is actually related. Oh, yeah? Yeah. He's like Theo Wessel. He's, like, a part of their little group. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

Starting point is 01:10:42 Bro, I love Robbie World, but yes, yes. So who else? Yeah, it's my dog. It's, uh, be honest with you, there's a couple of them, but I just named them two because they did the ones I'm, um. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm like that, like as far as the critics. Oh, my man, Poetic J. Wait, hold on, put a poetic J.

Starting point is 01:10:57 Wait, wait, wait. Hold up, bro, and he stole my name. I'm Poetic Flacco. Poetic J. That's his name right there. Really? That's my man, though, yeah, I'm saying? Wow.

Starting point is 01:11:06 So it's like certain ones they already know they have set me for what, you know, I'd be around all that. I could be like, one of my homies coming down from Philly. We talk about certain shit. I'm like, damn my fault, bro. They're like, see for where you know what? Yeah, of course. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:17 So they already know, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, bro, I love Robbie, man. Now, okay, so, like, where did you, like, do the O-CU? First of all, I'm going to say this, right? Bro. I got to tell it right here. Bro. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:11:31 Bro, I've been trying to find that bitch Instagram for the last one. Which one? So, like, you was in like the kitchen, right? Yeah. And she was like a 5'4.11, 250 pounds of the fastest ass in the world, bro. That shit, ain't it? What the fuck? Bro, that's a heavy shitter right there.

Starting point is 01:11:49 Where'd you find her? And how that video came to be? So, around that time, I was doing videos and all that. And at that time, like, girls are like, girls are just that always just hitting me up. Like, y'all want to do a video, then I'm fucking. I'm saying, no, I'm playing. Yeah. No, I was joking.

Starting point is 01:12:07 I'm not. No, I'm joking on that part. I was joking. I was joking. I was joking. But look, no, she hit me up. It was like, let me do a video with you and all that. I'm like, alright, bet, let's do a joke.

Starting point is 01:12:18 Let's do a John. See, I seen that she had a heavy shitter, so I'm like, but let's do this John, put the music on. I'm going, I'm going to be, I mean, all behind that thing like that, you mean? Crazy. Real feeling shit, though. I forgot her John, though. Be honest with you, I'm going to find it for you, though, and I'm going to send it to you.

Starting point is 01:12:32 Look, I'm going to do my homework tonight. I'm going to send it to you. Yo, bro, I also need a second Instagram. Again, again, this is just for, for adrenalineless purposes, right? Bro, you talked about me in like the one shorty in, like, Atlanta, like a Puerto Rican, Dominican, Spanish chick, fat ass. Oh, yeah. God. She was from Detroit, bro.

Starting point is 01:12:57 Bro, bro, listen, bro. That was my little shorty, bro. I ain't going to lie, bro. What happened to you? Well, she, like, she wanted me to, like, at the time, man, man, man, man. Oh, yeah. I wish I would have, man. Say, no.

Starting point is 01:13:09 Oh, no. Say that out. No. Say that out. No. No, I'm joking. I'm joking, but no, she wanted me to leave my folks and all. I'm like, no, I'm like, Shody, my folks been there rocking, you're tweaking, like,

Starting point is 01:13:21 you know what I'm saying? Like, but I ain't allowed. Like the Shottie, though. I'm like, damn, like, I ain't like. But then she got madden me one time and she, uh, I had, I remember I snapped on the boat son one time. Because she started acting crazy. She's like, yeah, nigga, like, I'm like, bitch, you ain't, yeah, I'm like, you ain't my bitch, you tweaking.

Starting point is 01:13:38 She's talking, well, I ain't you bitch, why you, yeah, why you get me raw? I said, bitch, I hit everything wrong. Of course, come on, bro. Right, man, come on, bro. A fact. Bro. No, bro. Bro, but, like, that's facts still, right?

Starting point is 01:13:51 But, bro, like, you either the greatest author in the world or, like, you just, just, or she's just bad as fun. Because, bro, the way you described, but you described her as the bad as bitch. Bro, I'm talking about a fat-ass, slim, waist, light skin, long. I said, oh. Yo, who is this female, bro? Look, she's so nice. I still be trying to find her grand, bro. She blocked me a long time ago.

Starting point is 01:14:14 God damn. I still be trying, like, someday, like, sometimes, sometimes it, but they'll cross my mind, like, because this was like a little bit of a couple years ago. Yeah. Like, one time it crossed my mom, I'm like, no one there's this bitch doing.

Starting point is 01:14:24 Yeah. I ain't going to lie, but I'm, like, I don't know, bro. Like, I'd be, like, my taste be a little, I'd be on some other shit, bro. Like, I don't remember. Bro, but speaking of some other shit, speaking of taste, I seen a video.

Starting point is 01:14:37 Now, let me know if this video is real life or just some video shit, right? You did a video with like the lesbian shorty, like the dyke shorty, right? Oh, that's going, that's going, like, that's going five million two weeks, bro. It's going stupid vibe right now. Yeah, this shit going stupid right now. I've seen it on TikTok, on like YouTube shorts. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:58 So that shit going stupid right now. Yeah, that shit going crazy. No, that's a skit though. Wait, wait, wait, wait, but here, right? But there are some dykes, though, that like, where you, like, close your eyes and look like either from the side, a little cool. No, I'll still hit that, though. For sure.

Starting point is 01:15:12 Dice? Yeah, I'll hit that. Like, and she pretty though. Of course. She pretty. I definitely hit that. Wait, wait, wait. Like, so like, is she like, okay, so like, do she like dress like that in, like, real life?

Starting point is 01:15:25 Um, so like, I guess she said sometimes when she wanna be on that, uh, on that, on that, on that date shit. Yeah. But I don't know, bro. Anything I don't know. I still hit that. Like, I don't got no picks with this shit. I don't got no picks, you in me?

Starting point is 01:15:39 Nah, facts, though, man. Now, speak on Jerry. So first of, how did you get... So, okay, so you did Jerry Springer with Sukiana. Yeah. How did that happen? So we, um... Alright, so look, after that video, that went stupid viral when I was talking about how I'd rather have a girl in my corner.

Starting point is 01:15:57 Souki hit me up on a gram. She's seen that John Bussing. She's like, yo, let's do some videos, whatever. Yeah. So, me, I started doing videos together and all that, like, like, ratty couple shit, like street niggas. Oh, wow. Okay. That shit.

Starting point is 01:16:10 All out of Jones was going crazy. viral and all that viral bro and then um she's a star now yeah yeah it was going stupid viral everything and um they contacted it's like yo we didn't y'all do that shit on the show you what i'm saying you went on there i mean we got her not act you feel me yo that shit was bro that shit i know it's crazy too right is i seen that video a long time ago right i never knew like that was you yeah that's crazy right that's crazy bro bro bro like you look entirely different though yeah way different like like like like you had like the red hair like it's It was like a little like.

Starting point is 01:16:42 Yeah, Bradden a little bit corny ass brazen. I'm like, I don't know. I was just telling my home, I said, bro. I don't know who made me do that nut that shit, bro. I ain't gonna lie, but I was on some nuts shit, bro. Bro, bro. Oh, man. I was on, I was tweaky.

Starting point is 01:16:54 Look, bro. I was on, I was tweaking. Look, I guess me going to a whole other city and all. They try to do something different and all that. I see that. I'm like, I'm like, I don't know. I'll be looking at pictures. I'm like, bro.

Starting point is 01:17:04 Leave that shit on my jaw on. Yeah, bro. I was on some nuts shit, bro. I don't know what I was on, bro, but yeah, bro. Now, that was crazy right now. How did Jerry Springer like, like, change your life, like, hair? So, like, after Jay Springer did like, did your Instagram just blow up or, like, how was it after Jay Springer?

Starting point is 01:17:19 Not really. It was just, I, like, all right. Like, like, people just like, you know, I see you in the drone, like, all my niggas in Philly that's locked up and shit, yo, bro. I see you with Jerry Springer? Yeah, like, going to call him from jail and shit, but that shit was just regular, bro, because I, like, I ain't gonna lie, bro, at that time. Like, see, Suki, dude was doing what she was supposed to do.

Starting point is 01:17:37 Like she was like in that shit like me. I still had one foot in one foot out. I was still doing street shit. Gotcha. That's why I ended up getting shot again in 2020. So it was like I was still, I was still like, I was still in the mix a little bit. Still doing dumb shit. Somebody played me quickly.

Starting point is 01:17:51 I mean, like I was still doing a little dumb shit, but I ain't going to allow to you, bro. So I was like kind of like I had felt back from that shit. I mean, so then this girl around, I'm like, bro, I'm going hard, bro. I got, this is it, right, bro. I'm about to keep getting shot. doing this and that. So then that's just, it's always been there. I just had to put the work in.

Starting point is 01:18:10 Yeah. And you know, like, how I know, bro, like, you take it seriously now, bro? Because, like, somebody who's, like, as big and viral as you, right? Right. Man, like, when? You go piss my flight going to get it. You said, when? I bet.

Starting point is 01:18:25 Listen, man. Yeah, I'm all there. I'm there. I'm like, it's, like, it's like no ego, right? Like, but he was here, like, what, like 30 minutes before me? Yeah. Right? I'm in my, bro, listen, I'm in my bag, bro.

Starting point is 01:18:39 I'm in my bag, like, I ain't let nothing stop me, bro. I'm going, like, I'm to a full throttle, you know me? Yeah. Real rap, bro. I'm like on some whole other shit right now. Like my mindset, like, groom me to this person. That's my time right now, bro. It's divine time.

Starting point is 01:18:54 Bro. Like, real shit, bro. Because, like, right now I'm on some whole other shit, bro. I'm like, I ain't never been this serious about anything, bro. Like, in a long time, bro. Like, I mean, except for I was on ops ass, I was serious about that, because I was spinning But no, like, real rap. I ain't been this series on a long time, though, bro.

Starting point is 01:19:10 Like, I'm just on some shit right now, bro. Like, real rap, and everybody's seeing it, and I'm appreciating it, bro, like, for real. Nah, but facts, man. Now, okay, so, like, are you from North Philly, right? I'm from North. Yo, Harris. Did you, okay, so, like, you're, what, 29, 30? I'm around there, bro.

Starting point is 01:19:26 I'm 17 and no, though, yeah? Yeah, yeah, right? Bro, he got shot 17 times to survive. 17 to no, yeah. Niggum. How? Now, okay, right, but then you asked the... or around the same age as PNB Rock,

Starting point is 01:19:38 and he's also from North Front. Did you guys, like, cross past or know each other or no? No, but I know people that, um, I know people that, that's sad what happened too, bro. Yeah. I ain't like that, bro. Like, I ain't like that made me, I ain't gonna lie, bro. That made me look at LA different, bro.

Starting point is 01:19:52 The word? Why? Like, because, like, I don't know P&B rock personally, but I know, I know, like, Philly small, bro. A lot of people that's not from Philly, they're Philly, but Philly smart. Everybody knows, like, even if I don't know you, I know somebody that know you.

Starting point is 01:20:03 Like, that's how small it is. Like, so it's like, um, I don't know, just from being from the city and all that, bro, and just like, mind, he with his family, bro. That's shit corny, bro. Yeah. Like, that's shit corny. Like, it's like, that's just nut shit, bro. Like, you, like, that's nutty, bro.

Starting point is 01:20:20 Man. Now, now, Pandy Mean actually, like, posted right now, like, you tell me, right? If you was him, so, and so, and, like, he posted, you know, we was there at the, like, chicken spot with, with 20 niggas. Right? If you were him, would you say, bro, like, it's not even worth it, dog, like, go back to Philly nigger, chill with me, if I'm man, like, just like, be with your family or like saying, bro, listen, man, like, get some tough shit, bro, do what you gotta do.

Starting point is 01:20:51 What you say to him? Yeah. I mean, bro, I don't speak one of the niggas, bro. Yeah. Like, what, you know, they do what they do? You know what I do? What I do is a whole other thing, but I'm not going to be. thing, but I'm not going, I'm just not going to post

Starting point is 01:21:05 about it, though. I'm not going to just do me. Like, I'm not going. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, right here, right? So, there was some dude and who went, like, viral to, and, like, and he posted, yo, the East Coast niggas is mad at the L.A. niggas, right?

Starting point is 01:21:20 I think he was from, like, New York, not even Philly, right? So, like, is that a thing, like, or, like, people from, like, New York and Philly, or they, like, upset at the city? What, by L.A.? Yeah. I mean, some niggas.

Starting point is 01:21:35 might feel like that that's really like close to him yeah i'm saying a lot of people might feel like that but i um i honestly feel like it just that was some some some some some some bad shit some dumb-ass young boy shit family shit they said pop was in it too right so it was like yeah i just feel like they just they just crashed out yeah while or not right yeah just crashed out he's on some they some dickheads bro yeah they dick kids like and they could have just they could have left them alive like that shit just corny their whole whole little thing bro yeah now Speaking of rapping though, yo, I actually like, like found some old abusive videos. My shit hard too.

Starting point is 01:22:10 Bray, too. Bray, I go lie, man. Bray, like, there were like a hundred niggas though. Yeah, I was in Philly. How do you know, no, no, like, that many people? Like, how do you know a hundred niggas will pull up in the music video? Bray, I'm, I'm, I'm going to sit it, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:26 And I, like, I was, like, I told me, I used to put in a lot, bro. I used to be out here, like, so, like, niggas love me, bro, and they know I'm gonna hold shit down. Like, they gonna hold me down the same. same way. Of course. So it's like, I'm saying? Here, right, but now it's kind of like, so like with, here, so like what I actually hear like your story, it screams rapper, right?

Starting point is 01:22:45 Like, bro, like he lives everything these niggas is lying about, right? He got the tattoos, the holes, the bitches, the money. Is rap going to be something like, you're going to like take more seriously? Honestly, I don't, bro, you know what's crazy? People, I thought about it. Like, I'm like, maybe I should do it. But then. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:05 But then, like, I don't know, like, like, acting is really my passion, though. Like, I want to do movies, bro. Like, I really, like, I really, like, I really love, like, that shit, like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, so music's not really a passion in mind. Yeah. Just like, another, like, I mean.

Starting point is 01:23:21 It was hard as fuck too, though. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. You know, you know, so I'm, I'm being around a lot of music is, but I don't like being around a lot of niggas, bro. I don't like being in the studio, all these niggas. All these niggas. That's not mine. Like, I don't live like that, so.

Starting point is 01:23:33 So, like, I don't. I don't be on that, like, all these niggas around me, I don't move like that, bro. And the views, I probably feel different about it. Like, once I get to a certain point and I can have all my nicks from Philly. You see it on videos, I can bring our hair. I mean, not here, but I keep thinking this is like Atlanta. I can bring to Atlanta with me, though. It'll be different.

Starting point is 01:23:52 You know what I'm saying? I probably will feel some type of way, I mean, a different way, like, yeah, I'm with my niggas now. Like, I'm saying. Really down there, when I'm with niggas in Atlanta, I'm still by myself because in the day, I'm the only one that's going to press play. Gotcha. Because all my niggas back home. And the niggas I'm around down there is like, it's

Starting point is 01:24:06 It's content creators. Yeah. So it's like, they're not going. I mean, when I'm out with them, I'm by myself. Yeah. I'm saying. Yeah, that's true, man. But you had like mad views too, right?

Starting point is 01:24:15 Because again, man, like, most niggas, like start rap and get about like a thousand views and quit. Right. Your shit had, like, 300,000 views. Yeah, that ain't shit changed. I was just watching that yesterday. Dude, that shit, that shit did. That shit going up. Bro, let's, you know, here, right?

Starting point is 01:24:29 So, like, okay, so, like, you did the acting, did the, um, skits, you know, like did the rap shit, yo, how about stand-up comedy? No, I never do that. Nah, not for you? I'm too returative, bro. I don't know. I want somebody boo-me or anything or, like, want some real, no, like, bro.

Starting point is 01:24:47 Want some real shit, bro, like, my loy, bro. Like, I was, uh, I was out here, I was my last time I was in LA, I met a comedy, John. Yeah. Boy, I'll come in there, boy, I'm seeing shit about my tattoos and shit. Oh, I'm still like, I said, bro, stop playing me, bro. I'll beat you the fuck up in this joint, bro. Like, world rap.

Starting point is 01:25:04 tweaking like real rap they keep me out that joint bro yeah i don't play like that like real rap so it was like i wouldn't that shit won't work for me bro because i especially when you you know yourself yeah i ain't letting him like playing me like bro so as soon as you booed me do a day they didn't say some crazy shit how about the stage crack the shit out you're gonna get busy in that joan bro I ain't playing like there's mad hecklers too though right bro like these white boys would actually like come up stage and actually try to like you feel me yeah i yeah i'm a tweet bro i uh yeah I ain't, bro. Nah, so, like, what's your plan, though?

Starting point is 01:25:34 So, um, so the skits is cool, right? But, like, you definitely said, said, like, what? So, like, acting now, right? I want to start, so basically... Yeah. I'm going to work on a series for YouTube. Oh, okay. And all that.

Starting point is 01:25:47 But I'm really working on, like, I'm going to do, like, a little series on that. But I want to get picked up because I want to do a story about my life. Yeah. Like, my book. I'm telling you, bro. I want a movie about my life, bro. And I could have been did it a certain way. I even got the script printed up and all that.

Starting point is 01:26:00 But you know, when you see something ahead a certain way that I know my shit got to be some, the top notch. Top notch, bro. I don't want no bullshit, but I want that money behind it, bro. My shit, like, get rich, die trying and some shit. I told you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, and then I got the average start working on book number two. Oh, really?

Starting point is 01:26:20 Yeah, that. So it's like, I'm thinking about a movie or a TV show. Somehow, like, you can split up that each time I got shot would lead up to that in different seasons. I don't know. still like working at things. But bro, like the way that you wrote your book, bro, like that can definitely be like a movie, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:37 But you know, I did all that myself too. Really? By yourself? Yeah. But I wrote everything myself, bro. My way, I wrote it my way how I wanted to do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:26:47 Like real rap. I just, I told you, but I never been no dummy, no dumb nigga. I always been a straight-aged. I'm smart. I ain't no dick kids, man like that. So it's like, I'm saying that shit was nice. It's just like, and I got a lot up here. I'm very creative.

Starting point is 01:26:58 Like, you know what I'm saying? Bro, like, you're super creative, right? Because book one was, like, about your life. Like, now is book two going to be about what? Like, a fictional story or what? No, it's still going to be real, but it's going to be about my life, like how basically, like, the second part of it, what I left out. Like, you remember, I got shot at fourth time.

Starting point is 01:27:14 Gotcha. So it's going to be how I get into that, basically trying to change my life. Going through identity crisis and all that, not, like, not knowing myself anymore because I'm around, niggas that's not from my background. They're telling me I'm tweaking every time a nigga come up to me I'm, yo, what you fucking? No, bro, this is not feeling no more, bro.

Starting point is 01:27:32 You're in Atlanta. They make me feel like I'm tweaking this shit. So it's like all that and, you know, all that shit's going on and having my foot and still in the streets and what, I mean, so it's like, it's going to be good though. It's, bro, a part two in Atlanta. Bro, like, here, right? So look, so like, I love your book, right? But I was mad, bro, because it was short as hell.

Starting point is 01:27:52 I'm like, bro, this shit, bro, I'm like, bro. Bro, you could have made that shit like, right? Yeah, bro. I know. No. The second one. The second one is going to be way longer, though. A word.

Starting point is 01:28:01 That was my first, yeah, I think about that's my first book ever, bro. Like, I never even thought about writing a book. So it was like, I wrote that John. It was like, and I could have made it longer, but I was just like, I'm like, people attention spas would be like a little different line. I'm like me, you know, because I know read this Joe, that shit's so good. I read it one day, bro. Me too.

Starting point is 01:28:18 Yeah, everybody told me that they're like, bro, I read it in one day, bro, and everything is facts. Like, they mean, facts, like, real, rap. So it's like, it's just that real, bro. They're rocking with it. So that's what I said. When I put that on television, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:32 Come on, bro. Million dollar nigger, yeah, bro. Bro, I'm contact 50 then. Right. Right. Come on now. That's what I need to do. Like real shit, bro.

Starting point is 01:28:40 Yeah, come on. He doing that. Everybody else's doing, uh, B-MF and who else? What's the other show? You got power and all that shit? That's what I need to do, though, bro. Does power like dead ass, bro, like your life to me is, bro, like when I was reading this shit, bro, I said, nah, this shit crazy, bro.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Like, your life to me could be. be like a real, like a real, like a power series, right? Right, right? Yeah, bro, it is though, bro. That's what I'm saying. I've been, bro. It's a lot of shit. I've been through hell, bro.

Starting point is 01:29:06 I've been going to do shit so I was a young boy too, bro. I've been going through it, bro. And it's like, it's like now I'm just at a point where I just want to live my life, take care of my son and be successful, bro. And chill, yeah. I'm free though, you feel me? I'm going to be wanting no nut shit going on. But I be trying to stay away from that, bro.

Starting point is 01:29:21 Even in the A, bro, I don't even, like, I don't got no beef out there and nothing like that. I don't even go out club and nothing. I stay out the way, bro. I just do my work, my one, two. Yeah. Fred, bro, go kick it with my son, bro. I don't live that life my whole life, bro, and I got pain from that shit, bro. Pain.

Starting point is 01:29:41 So it's like, I'm cool off that shit, bro. I'm just going to let my life be successful, bro, and just run it up. How has your family baby moms, like, have reacted to your success? They're probably like, damn, bro, we knew you could do it? Yeah. Yeah, like that's like like, yeah, you're really doing that shit now. Like, real rap. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:59 My mom just telling me my sister's in me, like, yo, I'm proud of you. Like, real rap, all my homies be proud of me like, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. You know, it's crazy. You know, most people like, yo, where you're from, like your niggas be hate, you know, you know. Yeah, I like that all my nicks be proud of me, bro. You know, you know what a different. I feel like it'd be niggas in the land that hate on me, like, other creators.

Starting point is 01:30:18 They hate on me more before, like, my niggas back home. Damn, is that deep out there? No, I say that because, like, they don't know me. mom, they don't know what it took the garre. Yeah, absolutely. My niggas back home in Philly, they know what I've been through. Every single nigga, bro. You're like, bro, you deserve shit, bro.

Starting point is 01:30:32 You've been through hell, bro. And I'd be around killers, bro. Like, the wildest niggas in my city, bro. And they'd tell you, my niggas, bro, they'd tell you, bro. They'd tell you all their own moms, I was the wildest one, bro. I did everybody. I'm the wildest nigga, bro. So for them to see somebody like me, turn this shit around to this,

Starting point is 01:30:49 that should be fucking in any mind of it and make niggies and tell me all the time. You make me feel like I can do anything, bro, to see you do that. Yeah, of course, man. You're crazy, bro. You're wild than anybody I know, bro. And then you didn't make that transition, I know I can do it. Yeah. That's exactly to come out of their mouth.

Starting point is 01:31:02 Of course, but. Nah, bro, like, because, bro, I think I hit you, right? I said, bro, like, after reading this shit, dog, I, listen, I don't want anybody else to win more, bro, like, more than you, dog, because that shit, bro, like, that shit, like, having, like, damn, dog, like, he survived being shot, like, three times this shit, right? He got, like, his family down. He got, like, his family down. He moved to Atlanta now.

Starting point is 01:31:25 It's time for kind of like the Hollywood line. You feel like, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're ending. That's what I want, bro. That need to be the ending right there. Yeah, come on, man. I'm livin it up, bro.

Starting point is 01:31:35 That need to be the ending, bro. That's how I want to live my life basically. I'm tired. I don't want to be part no more street shit. Yeah, bro. Like, I'm saying? I stay away from it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:44 I'm saying? Niggas that call my phone. Like I told my niggas don't call my phone, but what's still going on in Philly? Don't care. Don't want here. You know, just let me know y'all safe, y'all good. I love y'all, that's it.

Starting point is 01:31:56 But as far as, like, they know don't call me with that shit, bro. Because it's like, now y'all gonna put my mind on some more other shit, bro. Like, I don't need to be in. I need to stay in creative move. Yeah, of course, man. I'm saying? Nah, bro, like, after hearing, like, your story, bro, I reached out to Matt of the Philly niggas, man. Like, core, I refer to him.

Starting point is 01:32:15 A dude called, like, Leif Ward, is supposed to like, coming soon, right? So, bro, so, again, like, so to all your rappers who we might reach out to, me, thank, thank this nigga right here, right? Nah, but could you really, like, change my entire, like, perspective on that shit, feel me, man? Now, Philly. So, like, who's to you the top three Philly rappers of all time? Um, well, number one would be, we too, we too, you're starting from back in the day

Starting point is 01:32:46 or just now, period. No, it's like, of all time. I say, uh, meek. Okay. Beans. Okay. And, um, I say Kristen Neef. Nah, how now, man.

Starting point is 01:33:03 But that's me. Oozzie. But that's, oh, I forgot about Oozooze. Yeah. And I forgot about Oozooze, bro. But that was me being biased because, you know, like, Neef, that's my folks. Oh, a word. Yeah, so that's me, that was me being a little biased.

Starting point is 01:33:18 Can he come up here too? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right? Yo, listen to here, right? So look, also two is, so here's my three, right? Well, Ozie got that shit on love, though, too. Pimmy Rock there, too, though. Pymie Rock, was...

Starting point is 01:33:32 Y'all forgot about him, too, damn, bro. Yeah, Pimmy Rock, too, though. Like, I mean, yeah. But I ain't gonna lie, though. I listen to a lot of the young boys, though, the underground young boys. Like, that'd be my shirt. I mean... Oh, but who, though, like, the...

Starting point is 01:33:47 So, like, this one, right? Like, the one, like, who be dancing and shit now? Like, La Rari? Two, Rour. Oh, two. What's his name? Too rare. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:33:57 He was with the young boy, the Philly goats and all. They're my young boys. Yeah, word. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. So, like, here's my three, right? So I always, bro, I always got to say read Dallas, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:10 Because, like, read to me, read and George Ahad to me kind of like they influence me, right? So I always say probably like read Dallas. That's crazy. George, I had DM me a word? A while ago, not too long ago. Oh, they're really? He was saying I should rap because what I already doing as far as the skits and shit. Yeah, I'm telling you, bro.

Starting point is 01:34:29 Basically, like, was it already like bicycle like street shit? So I can like, I mean, he said, I should do this thing. Yeah, that's crazy. Bro. But I think, back in the day, Joe Jodd was my favorite one though, bro. Yo, but bro. He's hard. Then like he kind of like lost his theme because niggas like smacked him, right?

Starting point is 01:34:44 Or pushed him. Yeah, some shit like that happened. I don't know. Yeah, bro. I'm like, yeah, nah, that's crazy right? Now, Reed, I gotta put like Meek in there, though. Now, I'm kind of stuck between Uzi and Quilly. I ain't gonna lie back in that day, bro.

Starting point is 01:35:00 We had them spitters, you have me? I know, bro. Right, them DVDs and all that, bro. Me and my brother's always to be in the crib. Them hair shot for Jones, bro. You know, in the crib. That's all used to be listening to. Free where everybody was there, man.

Starting point is 01:35:09 Yeah, that show you're crazy, bro. Real, right. That's crazy. You know about that. That's crazy. Bro, I'll tell you, man, bro. Bro, bro. Bro, like, I do.

Starting point is 01:35:17 Wall ahead. So, like, Reed dial the number was definitely, because rehite that famous freestyle, right? It's the, bro. No, what's that, John? I know exactly what you're talking about him. Yeah, bro. It was crazy. I'm saying, like, Naritan.

Starting point is 01:35:29 No, huh? Bro, that shit went stupid, right? He's a snap, though. He's definitely snapped. That's crazy. You know about that. Because a lot of my folks, like, don't be knowing about the underground rappers

Starting point is 01:35:39 that came from all the city. And they just had the city busing that back in the day, bro, busing, you hear me? They was doing their thing. It was just crazy, right? But now, like, those dudes kind of, like, like transition into like battle rap now right yeah right i think redoing it and the quilly doing it man but you forgot about cassidy though oh cassidy brad he forgot about cassidy yo yo cascany cold as hell

Starting point is 01:36:02 two-fold one to sleep on the other one to get my freak on that was what i'm in ar kelly right yeah yeah yeah yo people here hate like they bro they despise my like love for cassidy right yeah because i bro i tell every nigger inside this building bro that to me is the greatest battle rapper of all time, right? Because, bro, here, okay, right? So, like, fuck battle rap. Just think about bars, right? Just straight up bars.

Starting point is 01:36:28 Who's a rapper than, like, you'll feel confident saying, yo, like, this nigga here got more just straight up bars. Nobody, right? Than Cassidy? Yeah. I don't know, though, bro.

Starting point is 01:36:48 Like, his shit is hard, but Meek used to be rapping like that, too, back in the day, though. Like, Meek shit had bars. Meck shit really hot, bro. on line begging the day, bro, especially, I'm talking about, like, in 09, 10, 11. Yeah. Meeting the shit's coming up, bro.

Starting point is 01:37:04 We used to be out, right. We used to be sliding to that shit. Bro, we said, Joe ain't got, uh, ride around fully. This is the new eye wreck. What, bro? We're riding around. Bro, man, I'm riding around. Bro, we like four or five deep, 10 guns in the car.

Starting point is 01:37:16 Yeah. We're out here drawing, bro. Brow. Brow. Bloodhouse, hunter, round. Yeah, yeah. Here, so listen, right? So, look, so I think this was like 2014, right?

Starting point is 01:37:26 2013? Bro, I was a dick rotting young boy. Pause, right? Because when Cassidy paused, right? But when Cassidy dropped the meek-mail disc track, right? I'll be real, bro. I was dick-roddy Cassie for that point of, right? But who do you think, think, like, won that battle?

Starting point is 01:37:47 I forgot, you know, it's crazy. I forgot that, I remember it was going on, but I forgot the actual versus. songs, right? Yeah. Well... Who are picking inside the door or the hoodie on, though? I think that's the security, right? Or who's that?

Starting point is 01:38:00 No, it's a nigga with a great hoodie on. We're just picking that shit. Or check? I think that somebody... I think that... I think that's one of the holes. See, fat or skinny? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:38:09 I can tell. Yeah, right? Right? But, nah, bro, but Philly scene is just crazy, right? Now, do you, like, think that there'll be, like, another... Because right now, I'll, like... So, I'm just like, like, Ouzie, right? But outside of Uzi, bro, like, I'm like, I'm like, like,

Starting point is 01:38:22 I don't really see like a nigga that's like next up, right? What, man, Ouz-y? No, that's things that's nice of thing. You're some yumbos and I'm just doing their thing, though, bro. That's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, really ain't back. I'll just make it sure because I got a real fucking I'm going to. Where?

Starting point is 01:38:37 In LA, too? No, nah. Not, no. No, no. No. No. No. No, but, bro, I definitely peeped that too, right?

Starting point is 01:38:45 But, yo. Here, but last question, right? Because, bro, I've had you here for now for three hours. God damn, bro. I've been in three hours. Nah, two hours. Oh, that's cool, though. Two hours, goddamn.

Starting point is 01:38:54 How are you gonna do this, you're gonna split this yon up? Nah, I'm in so hair, right? So, like, we got, like, a clips page. Yeah. And a main page, right? Yeah. So, like, we dropping it fully. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:04 And then, like, dropping, like, the clips on the clips channel, right? So, like, we probably got, like, mad clips, bro, like, like, like, 20KKKKK. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like, getting shot, man. You know what's crazy? You don't even feel that long, though, bro?

Starting point is 01:39:14 Nah? Probably because I'm on some, I'm off that yurt chicken, you know? Yeah, come on now. Right? Yeah, bro, like two, four hours, man, feel me? But, you know, but, bro, like, you have a great story, man, but I definitely do kind of like a part two, right, of, like, your other shit, man,

Starting point is 01:39:28 because I feel like today, like, we kind of, like, talked about all the bullshit, right? Yeah, you're going to talk about the, yeah, the positive shit now, like the... Yeah, right? Right, so where you want to do it? Like, next month? Come on out.

Starting point is 01:39:39 I come right back. I'm fucking with you, gang, real, right. I come right back in this joint, hear me? Bro, right. Bro, right. I'll slide right down this joint, you know? All y' y'all do is let me know, bro, real, Bro, when this shit dropped, though, it's going to go viral.

Starting point is 01:39:50 Yeah, I really know, we should go. You feel me? It's going to go stupid, right? So, bro, so, like, next month when this shit drop, bro, you got to come back, right? So, yeah, so, like, what's the last question is, what's next for you, man? Like, in, in, like, the next, like, 12 months. The next 12 months, bro, start the series and really reach out about getting this budget for this movie and keep flooding them on the internet, bro, going crazy.

Starting point is 01:40:14 Like, he's making the numbers go crazy, right, running this bag up, bro. Yeah, man. I'm saying. And then working on, still being the best father I can be, bro. That's all. Yeah. Bro, here, here, right?

Starting point is 01:40:26 Yeah, listen, right? Like, bro, you have to do a Camp Capone interview and a Vlad interview, bro. Yeah, I'm joining there for sure. I definitely need to. That will go crazy. Now, I can actually reach out for you, bro, right? But, bro, a Vlad TV interview where you will go crazy.

Starting point is 01:40:41 Yeah. You feel me? Where are you stationed at? Well, like, so, like, Vlad has, like, three officers. He has one in New York, in L, Oh, you do? Oh, okay. Yeah, and then I think he has one, uh, I'm not even sure, because Boosie does it.

Starting point is 01:40:55 Yeah. And Boosie stays in Atlanta. Right. So, you know, I think he, like, has one there too, right? But, right, but Bert Trussman, bro, like, once you, bro, like, once like this shit drops man, it's gonna go crazy, man. Feel me, trust me, man. But listen, folks, no jumper coolest podcast in the world.

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