No Jumper - C Lee on Taking Over Thizzler, Bay Area Rap Scene & More

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

C Lee akak C Legal and Almighty talk about his come up, running a business, being a philanthropist, Thizzler, the Bay, gatekeepers, and more. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yeah. It's all mighty. And we back with another one. It's no jumper. You know what I'm saying? I got a real exciting guest today. For real, for real, man. It's really a Bay Area staple.

You feel me? I'm an L.A. California, so you know what I'm going to do. Bring California through this. Solid, solid, solid. Real for real, this, man. Tell the people who you is.

Oh, you know, C legal for the people. You know what I'm saying? The legal man, aka the handsome genius, man. I wonder, I got to, before I even start anything, I got a shout out you for, you know, even reaching out and doing this because I'm seeing, I'm seeing your elevation and how you improving as a media personality and, you know, getting people on.

You're using your platform, your opportunity to, you know, shine out on other people. I get with that. That's saucy. And I appreciate you. True story. I appreciate that. For real, for real. Hell yeah, man.

So before we get right into it, bro, tell the people what you do exactly. Oh, man. For people who don't know. I'm a philanthropist. I'm a host. Some people call me an influencer. Some people call me, you know, a media personality. I do a variety of different things.

You know what I'm saying? Make sure you follow at the C. brand just to get more in tune. And yeah, I just do a variety of different things. I'm just, I'm just finding my way in this, in this music industry. I'm very new to it. And I'm just having a little bit of success, you know, in this game. And I'm having some fun with it. So, yeah, for sure. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. We've been doing your thing for a while, bro. I want to start from the beginning for you since, you know, a lot of people are going to be watching this and they're not going to be exactly familiar with you. Absolutely. You know what

I'm saying? So let's start with your early life, you know? I'm from San Francisco, California. Hunter's Point to be exact. You know what I'm saying? Session 8. You know, I come from one WIC vouchers and food stamps when they was in the packet, you had to rip them out. You know what I'm saying? So I come from that and due to gentrification, me and myself and others, we got kicked out of our out of San Francisco and we had to get pushed out to the Antiox, the Fairfields, the Haywards, and all that. So that's the story of a lot of people in the bay.

We're from the hood, we from the cities or the Oaklands or, you know what I'm saying, and then due to gentrification, they destroy in the neighborhood. But it's for the making room for the techies. We had to relocate, you know what I'm saying? So I'm from Hunter's point, but I like to say by way of Antioch, California, because that's a the other place that I got a lot of love for too. Shout out to Antioch. How was that for you transitioning from the hood of the hood and then you go to Antioch?

Was it like a different demographic? Like explain that for the people how that was. You're good because no, people don't ask that question. And people don't know the depression you go through. When you're from the projects and you used to live in a certain way, now you go to the suburbs and you see people that look like you, they're driving cars. They got the, what's the car? That you ain't never seen before.

Yeah, they got chargers and they got, what's the station wagon looking car? G wagons. No, no, no, no. It looked like a station wagon, but it's like a, it's a Dodge, a Magnum. You know what I'm saying? Niggas was driving Dodge Magnums, you know what I'm saying? When Christor 300 was the shit. Exactly. That should have throw you into depression.

Like, now, I'm broke. I'm broke as fucking all these things is having money. I'm used to everybody being broke. You know what I'm saying? We all in the same level. So now you go to the suburbs and all these nigs got money now. Now you're like just trying to find your way. So now you're trying to overcompensate with some tough. I ain't got no money, but I'm really fucking a little.

be tough as fun. Yeah, suck ass. Mind you, I ain't never been a street day in my life. I can live my truth. Everybody know I call myself the world's greatest square. But to over coppersate for being broke, I was trying to be tough. Luckily, God was merciful and I got through that. I got you in trouble younger?

Yeah, yeah. I tried to do my little weed selling thing because I was trying to keep up. Like, these got so much money. Look, they don't know nothing about the weed game out here. I'm in the night. I'm doing my thing. I'm trying to sell weed. Dumb is a box of rocks.

Got all the weed in my pocket in class. Let me tell. I get caught. Because we used to have hyphy trains back in the day, meaning it would be a bunch of cars going from house to house party to party because the parties would get shot up because of fighting or a shooting. We in the car all underage, two females in the front. She got an open bottle of Hennessy and her lap. We're the ones to get stopped in a hyphy train on the way to the next party. My dumb ass got the weed right in my pocket.

Not in the side. Not in nothing. Because you don't really know no better. I don't know nothing. Cop. Oh, wow. You're a big guy. Luckily, God was merciful.

All they did was take my week. called my mama my mama was bawling crying i ain't so we since then my mama was hurt like man i worked so hard for you i do this i i'm trying to get you away from that i don't want you in that my mama was balling and seeing my mama hurt like that i said yeah let me embrace my square shit i don't i don't want to do this speaking of moms you grew up with both parents or like how was that yeah i grew up my i grew up my i grew up my mama and me and my dad we always had a distant relationship he cool though i don't want to bash that like but he cool you know what i'm saying he did the best that he could but we was never super extra close like that but my mama really took her

on the brink of a majority of the work. Shout to my mama. Okay. She never, like, remarried and nothing like that? Oh, yeah, yeah. She's been with my steppops for like a soft 20-30, but, you know, they got a hood relationship. You know what I'm saying? You know how they'd be owned and all.

Did you ever get close with him? Nah, you know what I'm saying? I'm just keeping real. He's cool because that's my mama husband now, but, you know, shout out to bro. It's love. How was it having a man in your house that's not your pops? I never experienced that. Luckily.

I'm a T. Because I f*** with you, I'm going to keep it real. It affected me in certain ways to the point where I don't know if I can be a step parent. Because the reality of it is, is a child is always going to be looked at like, you not my father. And then the parent is always going to look like you ain't my child. And it could create a divide in a household a little bit. That could be a little bit unhealthy. Luckily, my mama did, you know, a great job and keeping the peace as best as she could. But it kind of affected me to where it's like everybody. And it's, and it's, and it's, It's okay. Everybody's not built to be a step parent. You know what I'm saying? Because it's a lot. You got it's a lot of nuances within that that you got to take on. And, you know, I don't know if I can. I'm not going to say I can't, but I don't know because it's just a lot.

It's a lot. It's a lot. I got an opinion on that. Like, I just feel like it's real difficult because you could build a whole relationship with this lady, her kid. And then once she want to go her separate ways, you damn their got to sever that relationship with that kid. Absolutely.

And you asked out. And then, like, when it comes to like little subtle changes, like you are man, so you might see something in this. kid that the woman don't see or that the father don't see like discipline correctly exactly like nah this kid is not an athlete we need to take him out of sports but his daddy might want him to play sports or nah this kid probably need to be

in a public school because this private school is making him too soft but his daddy and the mama might be like nah I want this kid in the private school and you got a you just there just can't say nothing and I can't do that but they expect you to be the daddy when he's not there exactly and I can't do that that's tricky that's out that's super out you know what I'm saying so that's tricky as a motherfucker that's why you know it's not for

everybody, you know what I'm saying? And I learned that coming up in that. So, you know, it's a learning lesson, don't. What age was that when she remarried? How old was you? She got with my step pops. I was probably like five. Yeah.

Yeah, but they, you know, again, they got, it was a good relationship on and off. And, you know what I'm saying? They always kept their own separate residence. So it was that kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was some hood. My mama, you know, my mama from the hood, a beautiful woman. in my step-pops from the real hood.

So, you know what I'm saying? Your old child? Nah, no, no. Shit, I got an older sister and a younger brother on my mom side. And I got an older sister and a younger sister on my pop side. Did they grow up in a house with you? Like, which ones did you like grow up with? My older sister grew up in the house with me, for sure.

It was the majority us. Then my little brother, he came way later, you know. So you was like the baby for the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was the little rebel. Okay, okay. For sure. So once you get into like, you know, you growing up early school, like, when did you

start getting into? Like, did you ever have a thought? like I want to do media or I want to do music. Like, what did you want to be before you do this? Like, what led you into this? I used to do clothing. I used to have my own clothing shop. We called it the CLEHQ.

And in that shop, we would just have real conversations about a lot of different things. You know what I'm saying? We would just use to talk and it started to become somewhat like a kicking spot. Once I shut that down, Instagram Live popped off. So like 2017, when they first introduced Instagram Live, I'm working security just going live, talking shit. it, 2018, when they entered a feature, when you can add somebody and talk to them, then, you know what I'm saying?

I'm talking to people now. We got a full-blown show. So that's how that happened. Like, you know what I'm saying? Coming from my clothing brand and then just going live and then it's just, it kind of just start building, building, building from there. And it got big. So it started from you having a working job type of shit.

Yeah, I was working security. I was working security. Shout out to all the security guards because you got to do something to get yourself through that graveyard shift because that shit be boring. you be cold you might have a sight it might got rats I used to work at a marijuana

and grow house you know what I'm saying what happened with that three came luckily I don't know it was just God God was merciful I'm like hey bro I'm in here

and I it's bad so they just left you know what I'm saying when this could have just kicked the dough it could have got ugly but yeah working at that grow house you got to find a way

to stay up because you don't want to go to sleep at that grow house because you come kick that dough smooth in they gonna get they is thinking at the grow house house it's a hundred pounds in here. Nick, I'm coming to grab everything and I'm not going to let nobody stop me.

Yeah, and I definitely wasn't stopping, niggas. I'm just keep it real. You know what I'm saying? I definitely wasn't, yeah. You had any jobs before you started doing the security? Hell, nah. That was your first one? Pretty much, I had jobs like it.

Nah, hold on. I remember I worked at Spirit Halloween and that bitch ass tried to make me swing the sign at the corner. I put that. It was like, because at Spirit Halloween, you got to build the store. Like, because you know it's not a year-round store. So you got to build it and painted. Yeah.

So then after we built it, oh yeah, can you go swing the sign? I quit. I said, Nicky crazy. I'm not swinging on signing. Outside. You know what I'm saying? That's out. You know what I'm saying?

So I had that job and I worked at like CVS before, but that's pretty much it. And I was working security for the brink of my young life. So you do security and then you're like I'm about to do these Instagram shows? Exactly. How that thought even come across? I'm going to keep it real. when you hungry and like when I say hungry like you just thirsty for more and you you know you're trying to just figure out you had the clothing brand at this point already yeah I had the clothing so let's start right there

what made you want to start into doing the clothing yeah I was just because I would I read a lot thinking grow rich ego is the enemy um I read Layla Ali autobiography Malcolm X autobiography when you reading hell of much it's like you want to start preaching but I know black people too well you can't you can't preach at black people too much you know what I'm saying so what I did was start the messages I would get from these books, I would put them on T-shirts. One of my biggest ones, yeah, one of my biggest ones was he who has the goal makes the rules. I did that, what, 2010 or some shit like that, and that got big. Jada Kis wore my shit at a Carmelo Anthony shoe release.

Matt Barnes wore my shit, and I started just moving units all across the country. I was going crazy. So it all started from reading books. What was the Bay like in 2010, bro? The Bay was different now. Yeah, the Bay, that's one. I think suing them was coming up around in. It was party time.

When the HBK was coming, it was party time. And I beat the party up, up, up. That's when around that time, that was going up. So the bay was turned up and Pink Dolphin was going crazy. I don't remember Pink Dolphin. That's when Young El and Sina and them had Pink Dolphin going crazy. And I'm out here trying to function. Yeah, it used to be on a Pink Dolphin.

That used to be like the go-to shit. Fats. The Bay was, around that time, the Bay was fired up. It was party, party, party. It was all party. It wasn't no Steph Curry with the 30 shit around that time. Yeah, because I want to ask you that too. Like being a little older and being in front of band, being able to see the different phases of it, like, what do you feel like made the Bay change and like when and how?

Like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I just learned the music industry is forever evolving. You know what I'm saying? Because before that, we had Haifie music. Before that, we had mob music. You know what I'm saying? In the Bay. So it was just like

They it's just forever changing like okay It might be a young guy Look I ain't a party ass I'm out here really Taking losses so I'm I'm this is how I'm feeling I'm not on this dance party shit And I think that's just how it came I can't even explain to you exactly how it changed It just changed and went from

Mob Heifi HBK party Back to the street People who don't know Mob music is Jack Jay Stalin You know what I'm saying It's just that slap.

You know what I'm saying? It's just that boom, boom. Like, that's when you got them 4-15s in your shit. And that shit pounding. You know what I'm saying? That's that my music. And, yeah, man, and I just think, man, it just, the band's just forever evolving because we is such a multicultural place.

It ain't just one thing. It's some that partying dance, it might do, you know what I'm saying, all the dancing type shit and, you know, the turfing. But then you got some that's really out there living like that. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of Bay artists don't really be. be lying like that and they, you know, you got some liars, but a lot of people be really

living like that, you know what I'm saying? I think they start telling their authentic stories, you know what I'm saying? And it got back to where it's at now. You was a party type of thing in their mob days? Nah, I was hustling. I was too broke. I'm gonna keep real. I was working and running my t-shirt company. I'm gonna keep real. That's one thing I regret about my younger years is not partying enough. I did some shit, but I wasn't going to

like, All-Star weekend and I was going to the, you know, I was missing out on shit. I was missing out on shit because I was broke. I was so young. Like I was on my own at 18, four months after I graduated high school, I was in my own place. Like I was living with my sister for a minute. Then after that, I was in my own shit. Living on my own, you know what I'm saying?

So when you got your own shit and you're responsible for everything so young, you got to make some sacrifice. So I did some party, but I never was a hard party. I always was hustling all the time. That's, and I felt like a lot of young people do that or there for like I got so much time. And then they'll end up starting hell of late. Life then blew over 30, being partying this whole life kind of shit. Speaking, you said you went from Hunter's point to Antioch, like, I know me being in L.A. Nick, I heard of Antioch and I'm familiar of it, but like the shit that I heard from Antioch

was like, it's kind of like our Lancaster, where L.A. thugged out, move here. It's suburban at one point. And now it's crazy. Exactly what it is. Can you explain how that happened? Was you there for that? Antioch went from a middle class suburb to one of the most dangerous places to go because you have San Francisco, Richmond, Oakland, Oakland.

and Valleo all coming to one spot. All these people that have been gentrified and kicked out their neighborhoods are now all in one spot. You know what I'm saying? And you got that, you know, use dope, sell dope. Because that shoot. Because that fight. All coming to one spot.

All, you know what I'm saying? On some macho, egotistical, arrogant shit. Then it got really, really, it changed immediately. To the point now, the kids that was raised in Antioch are now becoming even worse than the people coming here because they are trying to match their energy and be even tougher. That was one of the craziest changes I've seen. I've seen real suburban kids born and raised in the suburbs get so influenced by these streets that they became worse than the street niggas.

I'm so active like I'm tough too. I'm tough too. My daddy from Oakland, overcompensating going to the extreme lengths to show they tough. And so that's what Anniak was, man, it changed. And overnight, it changed quick. It was a middle class suburb that people we used to look at like, oh, better life to, this, this, it's the hood now.

That's crazy as hell, man, because, you know, now I definitely hear that Antioch is, it's super dangerous. Yeah, yeah. Some people are going to say it's not, but they know, you know what I'm saying? They know, don't, don't play like that. You'll get grabbed. Okay, okay. So you do the security, you start doing your clothing line.

So what happened with the clothing line? The clothing line, that shit is expensive. And in clothing, if you don't like, after you get so popular doing screen print, if you don't like evolve and do cutting so. They're going to stop with you because I love my people, but sometimes we can be very tough on each other. You know what I'm saying? If it don't.

You've been doing silk screens and now they want you to embroidered something. Exactly. And mind you, okay, if I do this, this is going to be quadruple the prices? You willing to pay that? Right. No, I'm used to buying a $40 crew neck and a $20 T. You know what I'm saying? So it's like if, so it started getting too expensive. And then another thing we

do, once it get too popular, everybody got it. I don't want that shit no more. So my shit got so big and I was just so over everywhere and you couldn't go out the house without seeing my shit. It's like, okay, it got so big. I don't want what everybody got no more. And then everybody else got brands now. The people I used to sell to start nail on brands now. And it's like, everybody got a brand now.

So it's like, okay, I'm spending way too much money. I'm still doing cool, but this is costing me too much money now because now I got the overhead for this shop. And I got to pay the overhead for the store now. Yeah, I got a show. I got a store. So I got this store. Plus I got to buy this merch. this shit is costing too much now.

I got to slow down and dial back and that's when I had to go back to security because I stopped working security for a minute because my clothing line was doing so good. You got to go back to square one essentially. I had to. I fell off a few times and that was a depressed. Falling off is terrible. Worst feelings ever is when you have some money and you don't got it no more. That shit.

Because it's different when you ain't ever had it. You don't know no better. I was get it? Man, I'm working at Enterprise rent a car and I'm doing security. So I'm just I'm hustling just trying to get my funds back. I'm picking old customers up who used to buy my merch at Enterprise now. They're like, oh, what's up, C Lee? Like, and people went to high school with, yeah, fuck your pride up. Like, damn, you know what I'm saying? I really didn't fell off. Like, that's why I'm constantly, you know,

thanking God in interviews and online just because he was very merciful to my dumb ass because I was ignorant. I was arrogant. I was egotistical. I was popping my shit like I was that thing. And I had to sit my ass down when I lost everything. You know what I'm saying? And, I'm just blessed that I was able to shake back even harder in my, in this media space. But it was, yeah, I didn't fell off. I didn't fell on my ass a few times. Yeah, you got to. You got to figure it out.

If you don't fall, you ain't going to know how to walk. You didn't shook back too. Don't make it seem like it's just me. You didn't get some shaking back. I don't remember y'all was throwing eggs at my fucking doing all the type of wild shit. And now you got like three, four shows, you know what I'm saying? Plus the music and you're like, yeah, you didn't, you didn't did some shaking back. That's why I f*** you different because you really, you really, you really were.

Hell yeah, because it's hard when you, I ain't gonna lie, I was hella scared to transition out of anything except rat. Because you know, when you're successful at something and one thing, you're like, I just want to do this because I'm scared to fill out something else because I ain't felt at this. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. So it's like, I was hella hesitant to transition out that shit, but I ain't gonna lie, Adam encouraged me. A lot of people here encouraged me and was like, you could do good in that shit. So I just end up, you know, maneuvering out that shit for real. So you still rap, right?

Yeah. But what do you prioritize now? Rapper media. It's hard. It's hard as hell to do both. I feel like for the first year of me being here, I wanted to just get better at this because it was new for me. You know what I'm saying?

So like I wasn't too mad at falling back on music a little bit because I'm like, this is new. I need to learn this. I need to pick up the most I can. You know what I'm saying? So I had to focus on this so I could get better at it. You know? I didn't come into this shit.

Like I know everything. I got this shit. And now I was asking. like even still to this day like I'll ask Mikey or I ask somebody like can you watch this interview like tell me what I could do better tell me what I could do here so I felt like I had to focus for a year just on this shit you know yeah but I still do both but it's hard bro it's hard to manage both one of the things I like about you is because when I and I ain't I ain't trying to be on no messy shit but when you and bro fell out a lot of people kind of took his side to a certain

degree a fact and you have to fight back that's hard to fight back when the whole world pick a side you know what I'm saying that shit You had to fight back and it's like now you kind of thriving. Yeah. How was that? Like, did you go through depression? What did you feel like? I'm not even going to lie.

Like, when me and bro separated, man, like you said, everybody picked the side and a good 90% when it's way. You feel me? Because you know when people, I felt like, man, niggas don't see like, bro, I'm the ticket. Like, that's how I felt. Like, you know what I'm saying? At that point, I'm feeling like, nigger, these niggas don't got faith in me or nothing. and then it make you start doubting yourself. Yeah.

You feel me? Because everybody's thinking that other thing like, damn, like, yeah. I must not be that, you know? Yeah. So for a minute, I was just like, damn, like, nigga. Because for a minute, I felt like people felt like he was Batman and I was robbing. And then I felt like once I start evolving, I always use this analogy.

Once I start evolving in the like Nightwing, they get Batman started feeling some type of way. It was like, nigga, you need to go ahead. And you know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I explained it because it was like, I damn that got pushed out to how. to have to do my own thing. Definitely.

And I definitely, it was like, nigga, fuck, what do I do? But niggas had to wake up one day like, nigga, you got this, bro. And I just start dropping. That's really when I got a lot of my own hits. I started doing where you're safe at. Get worked, famous, like all kind of shit by myself.

And it starts slowly picking up. And I'm like, I got this type shit, you know? But I definitely went through a state where like, damn, nigga, like I'm fucked up. A lot of people I was hanging out with every day. They're not fucking with me no more. Because it's like, nigga, a lot of our friends was mutual.

So, niggas, niggas took sides fast To hell yeah, the rappers Rap niggas here start taking sides Hell yeah, because all this shit fake A nigga will take the sides of where they feel like The views is gonna be And where they feel like the popularity is at And a nigga might actually fuck with you

But it's like, nigga, I know if I do a song With this nigga, it's gonna be a problem You know what I'm saying? Definitely. So when did you know I'm back now? When did you have that moment like, yeah, nigga, I'm back, Nick, it's up now? I really want to say where you're safe at

because that was some shit where niggie reached out to me to get on the remix to that motherfucker and he owned it. The way you're saying for our remix got a little yadi on that motherfucker that's when I knew I'm like I'm back.

Nicky, I'm back. No cap. Like, you feel me? It was like that moment. I'm chilling one day. Nicky and everybody sending it to me he riding around on Instagram playing that shit. Nigger sent it to me like

little yadi playing your shit. So I tag him like, nigga that's viral. Lil Yadi riding around playing my shit. He DM me immediately email me this month. motherfucker, I'm gonna hop on it. I sent him that shit. By that night, I had the verse back.

Oh, that's hard. It's crazy. That's crazy. That's hard. That's hard. So now, like, do you still got a chip on your shoulder? Because I'll be having a chip on my shoulder sometimes. That's why I work relentlessly. I feel like that I got a chip on my shoulder, but it's not like arrogance.

It's more so, like, nigga, I know what I'm capable of and I'm going to keep going into a motherfucker's seat. Exactly. You get what I'm saying? Like, it pushed me harder. Once everybody changed up a little bit, and switch their sides. I was like, all right, I got to switch it up and I'm gonna go hard as possible

so niggas realize, you know what I'm saying? That I'm my own entity and I can hold my own. That's real. You know? That's real. I go hard just because I know, nigga, you can fall off.

Nobody's, like, prohibited or nobody's exempt from falling off. Anybody never think you's so high up that you can't fall off. I had that problem. My first year, I ain't gonna lie. My first year, with me and him was rapping together, you couldn't tell me nothing.

I didn't want to do nothing with nobody. nigga, I remember I ain't going to lie, bro. I remember when SOB came out. My producer showed me, Lewis Unassie, a nigga who do cam work, Lewis is viral now. You know what I mean? He shoots for DDG, all kind of shit. It used to be me, Snow, Lewis all riding around together coming up.

You feel me? I remember he pulled out S.O.B. on his phone one day. Show me anti. Me and Snow got our nose up looking at that shit like, man, that shit, man, that shit cool. But you feel, we got our nose up around this motherfucker. At that time, we're in. We're in here.

You feel me? And they fairly knew at that. time so we here and they got our nose up like a motherfucker saying i ain't even going to lie same thing for shoreline when we first heard and we had our nose up to all kind of shit bro all kind of shit like niggas can act now i'll tell the truth we had our nose up to every like we better than these nisks better we the shit but that's right being competitive but we we he rubbed off to me to the point where it's like all right i'm not going to reach out to nobody i'm not going network and i had to learn nigger treat people on your way up how you how you want to be treated

on your way down because when you up and you're a fact because when you up and you're don't fuck with people? That's a fact. Oh, when you're on their way down, they're going to skip right over. Skip right over you and shit on you on that way. And in this game, it's a roller coaster, my nigga. It's a roller coaster. It ain't always up. Don't let nobody lie to you.

Even when you do shows, everyone ain't going to be a million views. You might have $10,000, $20,000. But you don't, then the next one might be $500,000, but it's a roller coaster in this shit. It ain't always up and up. And that's what I thought. Like, it's this up. It's never going to. It's up.

It's up. So you, and then once it gets to get to get in the little. little you like, ooh shit, like, you know? Absolutely. And it make you definitely like put that hard work into that shit. Absolutely. That's real shit. So once you do the security shit, when you venture out the, out the t-shirt shit,

you go back to security shit. You start back from square one. What's your thoughts? Like, what's next? What I'm going to do? Like, where you want to go with it from here? Nigger, I was just, I was so lost. That's a depression.

I don't want nobody to feel. That's why I encourage everybody to work hard. And I just want to, you know, shout out to my nigger. Remedy, because Remedy put a calling because I'm going live. My live is picking up now. We having topics and we're talking about, we're going live three hours a night. First hour, we're talking about a current event. Second hour, we're talking about relationships or maybe some street shit.

Third hour, late night live. We're talking about sex. I'm doing this five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week. We're going live. Now my shit jumping. Organized like you got a network already. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Exactly.

What make you want to do all this? Like, nigga, you don't usually hear this for motherfuckers. Yeah, man. I'm on Instagram live. running it like a business. Exactly. Exactly. I'm running that shit like a business while I'm working security every single night.

Now my shit popping. We're doing speed dating. We're doing all type of shit on this show. And now I'm like Hood famous. And this show personal Instagram that you're doing? This was my personal. I got to do it on the backup page now. I'll tell you why later.

But now I'm Hood famous. The whole hood. Richmond, Vallejo. Everybody know about Ceeley Live. This is where we come. Niggas is knocking. Bitches in there. You know what I'm saying?

Females is, you know, throwing shade at their baby daddy. If they want to get a message across. I am the girl. go-to place for the latest news. How do I feel? Going from just, you know, I'm just regular, I'm doing my thing. I might be popular here and there to, nigga, you wake up one

day and now the niggas know you. Nigger, I'm gonna keep it real. It's a great feeling, but I learned a lot about men at that time. What I mean is, once a nigga, bitch watching you five nights a week, he is going to have a problem with you. He's going to create a problem. Soon as the nigga, baby mama or his high school little

princess, little project princess that he in love with, she laughing at your joke. She's watching your show, she's reposting your shit. All of a sudden, now you are going to have a million problems with a bunch of niggas you ain't never met. I ain't stole nothing from you. I ain't disrespect. I ain't did nothing. I ain't even said nothing about you because I don't know you anything that said. She said. I don't know you, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Right. But that taught me like, oh, this is something. When you, when you trigger any emotions and you getting people in their emotions, oh, we got something here. That's when I knew, oh, we got

something here. These niggas is really innate feelings behind this shit. This is serious. You know what I'm saying? So we just going live. We're going live. Remedy, who's my nigga? Because Remedy, he came in my clothing store and got some merch. So we built a relationship and I'm following him around because he's a rapper. He producer.

Remedy's literally one of the most innovative, like, impactful people in Bay Area history. He shot videos at a high level. He, Draco last song, Hundditi Bob, B, that he released when he was live, his own Remedy beat. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. That's history right there for sure.

Yeah, Remedy is one of them kind of niggas. You know what I'm saying? So Remedy put the call in to. Thistler like look y'all need him he going crazy right now y'all need to bring him in and when I came to this thysler I was going to do a hood to hood type show like everybody doing on YouTube now what year is this 2018 okay this was 2019 2019 it was 2019 so I was like 2018 2018 one of them years but this is like we don't got the budget for it can you come in here and help us edit videos whoop do do I go in there edit videos one day they're like look we got these uh ciphers dropping and we want to talk about the ciphers like you do on your

show talk a talk show but we want to talk about rap shit i did that shit shit went up you know what i'm saying and we've been going live literally ever since 2019 they had you an office editing this shit bro that shit was terrible but i had to do it because i had to like you know what i'm saying work my way you got you got you got to do a thing beggars can't be choosers exactly and you have to work your way up and i learned that from falling off don't be too big for nothing right you know what i'm saying work your way up you omiss your opportunity just like that opportunity thinking i ain't editing shit nigga i'm that nigga. You know what I'm saying? And we got that bad back home where I'm that nigga, nigga, I'm not for the edit shit. Nick, I'm lit. I got my own shit

that's lit. I went in there edit, woo-whoop. They fuck with me and we've been doing great business ever since. But again, every interview I shout out my nigga remedy because his game from, you know, managing him and helping him with his brand and his resources, making that phone call literally changed my life. And I was taught you always pay homage to a nigger if you reaping the benefits of his game or his resources. You pay homage forever until, you As long as you reaping the benefits of that. So I always credit my nigga Rimm because he did that. And niggins don't do that.

Put that call in like that. That's the fact. No, that's love. So you get in with Thisler, you start doing the editing and shit, then you start getting into the, what you're doing, rap now strictly? No, first we started with topics. We was talking about rap topics, but you can only talk about so many rap topics on the show. So one day I'm like, look, I'm tired of talking about this topic shit.

We had a whole show lined up. Dizzler pissed off because in true C. Lee form, I said, nah, we're going to do something else. I call an audible right. Two minutes before the show started. You know what I'm saying? And the shit went up. So they're mad, but they like, damn, this went up even higher than the talk shows.

This shit is even bigger than that. Since that day forward, we've been doing three shows a week now. You know what I'm saying? Because it worked. You know what I'm saying? And we've been doing showcases and we've been benefiting a lot of artists being a blessing to a lot of artists. One of them is Little Buga, who I got in studio now, who we're going to hear from a little later. Shout out to Bro.

You know what I'm saying? You know, just being a blessing. So shout out to Thizzler because together we've helped a lot of people. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't like to get their credit, but that's not manly. I believe in always giving people their homage and credit for being a blessing to you in your time of need. And Thistler was a blessing to me and my time of need and a lot of different people in their time of need. So shout out to Thistler for that, because that was solid.

No, that's love, nigga. What's some of the artists that you discovered through that shirt early on? Oh, man. Barbie would tell you Mazi discovered her from that live show. Action-pack Barbie? I want to get her up here, bro. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell her. I'm a tell her for show because Barbie.

Her story is crazy. I've been trying to get up here for a minute. Yeah, Barbie, Barbie story is solid. She is one of the most solid females you ever going to meet. But that's one. Bugger's another, a little Cito. I want to talk about that. This nigga Lil Cito joined the live.

Fucked up the first time. You know what I'm saying? I kept getting a nigga back on, kept going crazy. Next thing, you know, this nigga opening up for YG. He got, you know what I'm saying, features with Blueface and Creson and all the shit in his video. This nigga just went. crazy because he went live

cipher viral tour nigger got his T-fixed that nigga came up it's so many so many producers have been broken like unknown producers are getting Lou Bean placements and Lou Yee placements like these big artists who stream heavy from

that live show you know what I'm saying so he got on there one time and he went viral seat though like no Cito got on hell of times Cito got on the show hella times his first time he just fucked up and was nervous but Cito fought back like I'm dope, you know what I'm saying? So Cito kept getting on and on and on.

He was he was hella scared. He was logging himself out. Then he just kept getting on, on and on. And he was going crazy and everybody's seen it. I've seen it and Thistler seen it like, he's going kind of crazy. So they invited him to the cipher. And that shit blew out the water.

You just the internet shooter. You just went crazy. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that show has been a blessing to many, many, many, that show has been a blessing to many, many people. That show your ear, bro. You know, I, you know, I, I, credit it to my audience too. We do it together. I don't

never want to make it seem like it's just me because the people gonna tell you in the comment section this week. That's a fact. You know what I'm saying? Or if people will tell you oh, this is hard. This is some shit right here. Speaking to that, do you feel like do you get hate for your opinions to tell the nickers that they trash? You know what I'm saying? Like, man, tell us about that a little bit because you one of the only motherfuckers who would tell them

on live and I fuck with you too because you didn't invite me on that motherfucker to judge a couple times. Absolutely. Immediately be like, bro, this, nah, cut that shit out. I feel to be one of those. Can you pass me a bit lighter, Danny? Hey, I'd be one of those, bro. I think, yeah, you, honestly, rappers are emotional. And most people who make music are very emotional, but when you, and your emotions,

you're not necessarily using logic. Logically speaking, you are creating a product for a consumer, and a consumer may or may not like the product. You can't ask somebody, you want somebody to create a TikTok dance. You want somebody to like, share, repost. You want somebody to buy your merch, come to the show, but they can't say, hey I don't like this this is weak right you know what I'm saying so sometimes in the reality and here's the fucked up part about a rapper they'll create something two three days later or a week

later like damn this is weak this shit is weak I don't even like it this shit is weak I told you was weak when you first played it to me you know what I'm saying why you not now you see it's week now we agree now it's like you know what I'm saying so it's harder to not to not take your art personal being a rapper I got on it's it's hard oh shit I'm retarded it's hard to not take your art personal, you know? Absolutely. But, you know, it's part of the game. So you ever got a hate mail from that

shirt or niggas talking crazy or no shit like that? God has been merciful because when I go out in public, it'd be all love. Because a lot of niggas... I think it's your vibe, though. Yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? A lot of niggas...

You've been aware of you pressing C. Lee, bro. He positive as a motherfucker. You feel like, you're a weirdo if you're trying to press C Lee, bro. Exactly. I try to... I try to keep it cool and, you know, move accordingly. But it'd be all love when I go outside.

And a lot of niggas be agreeing with me, though. A lot of niggas be going to say what I want to say. Hey, just don't be afraid to say it. Because in the Bay, you know what I'm saying? Criticism come with something. You know what I'm saying? Just like in L.A. You criticize the wrong nigger.

It's going to be a problem. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be a problem. But somebody got to tell the truth. You know what I'm saying? Somebody got to tell the truth. Because everybody's not dope. That's a fact, bro.

Speaking of the Bay, bro, I want to ask you because being an L.A. nigger, we always feel like when we always hear this, the Bay helped the Bay, the Bay, the Bay do you feel like that's the true? Like, do you feel like the Bay really support the Bay? You feel like that's a myth? Because we always hear, man, the Bay Niggas be supporting each other.

LA niggas always feel like it's crowds in the braille and Bay are your niggas support each other? How do you feel about that? I think every section in the world say that because even if you go to Atlanta, we always say Atlanta. We sure do. We think Atlanta support each other. But Atlanta, them niggas be like,

nah, it ain't that. We don't support. Niggas don't be supporting. Niggas be hating. But as far specifically to Bay, that's a tough question because the Bay going to tell you, nah, niggas be hating. Niggas be hating. Niggas don't be putting niggas on. But I like the Bay support the Bay.

But again, shout out to Filthy. You know what I'm saying? Filthy use his platform to help a lot of niggas. Filty, you know what I'm saying? Signing niggas doing all kinds of shit. He's going to sign you. If you dope enough, Filty, going to get on that song with you and use his platform to help you grow. So, yeah, niggas do.

Fab going, you know, Fab going to show you love. of who else is big. Most of the big, the big wigs, 40 going to get on the song with you. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, niggas support each other. I ain't going to lie. Niggas do be supporting each other.

Like, it could be better. It always could be better. It could be more resources, but niggas support each other. Also, shout to the boy Dame. He worked with CMG. So, you know, when a lot of, like, Future came to the Bay or Glorilla come to the Bay,

he's going to tell them all the Bay artists they need to have come out at their show. So the boy Dame, you know, had when Future tapped in with him, you know he didn't have little blood and loo ye and pilo and all these niggas come out at the Oakland arena so that's a big look to be performing at a future show shout out to little Kayla too they'd be bringing her out so yeah a debate debate we got a good support system we do okay okay and speaking of the bay uh moving from sac uh i mean not sacsacan francisco from a young age

how do you feel like san francisco has changed like you know what i'm saying like what's the niggas. They kicked all the niggas out. San Francisco black population is less than 5% right now. They eradicated niggas out out of the city. It's sad going back home now. You know what I'm saying? They literally clear niggas out. It ain't, you know what I'm saying? The black population is very, very low. They gentrified it. They got niggas up out of there. And it's sad because it's like, I'm from here and I can't even afford to buy a place at my own home. They want three, four, five million. You know what I'm saying? For something. Chimmy, something like nothing. It's like, damn, I can't even afford to move back home. wanted to. You know what I'm saying? I couldn't even come. I can't come back home without some

type of government assistance or something. I can't even afford to go home and that shit weak. But you know, it's, you know, it's sad. I'm going to keep it real. But, you know, shout out to S.F. Black Wall Street because you got people, organizations like that trying to, you know, bring it back. Also, shout out safe and just in all these organizations trying to bring it back. You know what I was going to ask you like, how do you feel like that should affect San Francisco culture? Yeah, they again, like, they kind of eradicated. They kind of eradicated to where it's like the next generation, there will be no black people from San Francisco. I'm one of the last generations that's going to be able to say, I'm from the city.

You know what I'm saying? So after that, I'm from, it's going a lot of Stockton, a lot of Antioch, a lot of Hayward, a lot of Fairfield. But these kids ain't being raised in the city no more. They're clearing it out. True story. So you feel like that's a big part of why, like, the Valley Cities is starting to really, really crack because, like, being from the outside looking in, like, and correct me if I'm

wrong, like, when we think of the bay, we're starting to think of all. all Valley niggas. Like being from LA nigger perspective. Like, what you mean by that? We're not very, like, city specific when we think in the Bay. A lot of us don't even know, like, niggas, Sack is not the Bay.

Stockton, none of that shit. When we think of Bay, we're starting to think of the Valley, being an outside person looking in like the rappers in the scene, even though the Bay got their shit. You know what I'm saying? From the outside looking in, the most popular acts, they don't be directly from the Bay. They're starting to be from outside like Jaybo.

Niggas like J-B-Ks, like, do you feel like that shit is taking over the bay? Like, that's how it looks like from the outside. Nah, just because if we just being honest, all of it is Bay influence. The sound, everything is Bay influenced. And a lot of the EBK, niggers, their parents is from, like, Jacques parents from Oakland. You know what I'm saying? Like, so a lot of that shit is all inspired by the Bay. And they all fuck with the Bay.

Like, Jaybo, he got songs with Zay Bang and Yee and Bean, and he fucked with the Bay heavy. So one thing I like about, and, you know, DB, just had his listening party in Oakland, and his manager is from the Bay. So essentially what I'm saying is a lot of those acts from Stockton and Sack still tap in with the Bay Heavy Bay producers, and it's still like a Bay Sam. They got all Bay Area.

You know what I'm saying? Even though it's not the same. So that's why we feel like that because it's all Bay derivative. Exactly. It all comes from the Bay. It all, the foundation is the Bay. And anybody saying it's not his line. It's all foundation from the Bay.

Do you feel like moving to the Suburban? changed you in any way? Oh, it was a blessing. A lot of niggas, you know, try to make it seem like it's a terrible thing, but I'm going to keep real. When I was in the hood, we was thinking sports or street nigger. This is just my experience. This ain't everybody experienced, but I didn't know nothing about creating an app. I didn't know nothing about, you know, owning and operating a business. I didn't know nothing about stocks. I didn't know nothing about real estate because we was just so in our own world that we was thinking, nigga, I'm trying to go pro. or nigger who got pounds.

You know what I'm saying? So niggas didn't really know that all like that. So when you was failing at sports, it was like, you almost get angry because it was like, fuck it, I got to go to the street stand. But the suburbs, and just from a relationship standpoint, in the hood, I didn't see hella married couples or couples and shit like that. Two families.

Yeah, two family homes, seeing this, seeing, you know, even though. Two-parent families, yeah. And weather changes. I'm from the city. It's always cold in the city. So you move into the suburbs. Now you can walk at the house and some shorts and you know what I'm saying? Some, some, and a shirt on and shit like that.

You ain't always going to. Yeah, it's cold as fuck. It'd be cold as fuck in the city. So the weather changes. It changed you so much and it exposed you to a totally different lifestyle. And now it's like, oh, it's a lot more to this life shit. I can own some real estate. I can start a business.

I could, you know what I'm saying? I ain't got to always be looking over my shoulder. It ain't always about who's fucking with who. That shit, not normal. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That shit crazy. Like speaking of that, I want to be. I want to say so.

I'm asking you real quick, where are the normal people at in L.A.? Because in my opinion, L.A. got two types of people. You got the industry exec. I'm the fucking chief executive assistant for T. Grizzly Chef. Because you know they got to drop the name in there. And then you got the other type. You got overly banged out, overly Chris the Crip or Own Bloods, Bartholomew, just overly banged out.

Where are the normal? people in LA, like just normal people. That's actually to be honest, that's actually a really good question, bro, because I think I say like I have a lot of those in my family, right? Like I got niggas who GameBank

tough in my family and I got college graduates in my family too, but they still you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, like they still get with you, but they're proper as hell. You know? So like it's a mix, bro. I want to say it's kind of hard because this is where GameBank culture Cripping Blet start. So it's hard as

Hell, because I'll tell you for real, when you go north of Wilshire, it's a whole different world. You're going to start running into these Jewish families walking around. You know what I'm saying? Like it looks regular. Hollywood, North Hollywood. But once you go south of that motherfucker, it gets tricky. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

You know? It gets tricky. That's honestly a real good question, but they around. They hear. You know what I'm saying? Like you got, I'm suburban L.A. SRBN, I think it is, an Instagram page that he run. He from the city.

but he like super, he liked the LA equivalent of you kind of like real proper, real, but he's from the city. You know what I'm saying? Is he a name dropper, though? Because niggas got that bad out here. People move, that name dropping shit is terrible out here. Yeah, I know Almighty Assistant up at no jump right there. The city of celebrities.

Man, them niggas be with that name dropping heavy. I'm not used to that. I'm not used to, you know, because in the bay, we think we the shit. I think what it is is because since this is, this is. the place of popularity, like, you have to say something to make you popular because it's like, you know, like how saying you're a rapper is kind of just watered down now because everybody's doing, this is a place for everybody rap. So you got to be like, I rap with X, Y, and Z. And then people are like, oh, you got what I'm saying? Because you just be like,

oh, I do X, Y, and Z. They'll be like, oh, that's cool. Because it's LA, nothing's impresses anybody. That's why, it's one thing I fuck with you. I pay attention. You not a name dropper. I don't see you taking pictures with every popular rapper that comes through. You own, you ain't one of them niggas like look I'm with this rapper look I'm with this rapper you ain't you ain't that nigga you ain't that niggins you don't do that I like that about you you don't be doing that and you could because I'm sure everybody comes through here everybody come through here that's a fact I don't think I had any pictures with nobody that could so that intention or you just really don't be fucking with niggas it's not that I don't

fuck with niggas but it's like I got a genuinely genuinely want to fuck with your shit like it got to be genuine I'm not just going to be like just because I know you're popular arm around you and take a picture exactly I'm not that kind of nigga like it It got to be like I genuinely fuck with you. And then even then if like, it's some niggas who I interviewed New York drill niggas, I really fuck with them, I've been in studio sessions with them. Like, they're my dogs. I never asked to get on a song.

I'm not asking to take no picture or nothing. Like, I just genuinely fuck with niggas. Because I know when another figure coming here, they automatically look at you as a fan when the first thing you say is kind of take a picture with a nigga. Like, I just want you to know, I genuinely fuck with you. I'm not going to ask for no picture. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying?

I feel that. I feel that. I feel like it's the connotations that comes. with it. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Or the perception that come with it. You just ask for a picture and now a nigga automatically going to put you in that fan lane for real. Just fuck with the nigga genuinely. And I'm not asking a picture if I don't fuck with you. I'm gonna keep it. Once you take a picture with a rapper, you can't even say you don't like a song no more. Oh, fan ass nigga, wanted a picture now my song.

You got you gotta be careful why you move around rappers because the nigga is going to use an angle, a narrative quick. And I had a nigga who take a picture with the motherfucker and be like what this would sound like. You didn't even ask about no song. You didn't ask about no song, talking about what this is going sound like, that's that shit. You want to know the fucked up part, that shit work. And what I mean by work, people who take pictures with rappers, fans love

that shit. Fans be eating that shit up. Oh, you were such and such. Oh, you were such and such. So we know the game. Yeah, we know the game so we know we can manipulate the audience and do that, but my spirit, my energy and my integrity won't allow me to. I can't. I can't do it. Yeah.

Nah, because I just feel like, that's not real. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's not genuine. So it's like, nah. I appreciate that for that that you noticed that I definitely I don't even I don't even notice that

but like I just don't be on it like I don't know Nick come through I'm like but like what's up bro nice to meet you you know what I'm saying Yeah me keep me cool Nick we just ain't

this ain't no motherfucking fan club You feel me No cap Hey bro Speaking of Yo I want to go back to the Instagram live shit

So when you start doing the rapper shit What's some early memorable thizzler moments Like some early ones Or just memorable Thistel moments in general Uh, shit, one was when my niggal little bugger went viral. We had, uh, what was her name, Booger?

Kalani Rogers, fine ass on there. You know what I'm saying? She fine as a motherfucker. Just fine, just gangbanging with the titties, too. Just fine as a motherfucker. So me, intentionally, I'm like, I didn't know Booger was going to spit this verse, but I'm like, okay, she got hell of people in there. There's thousands of motherfuckers in here.

Let me get my nigga Boog on to spit because I know Boogu's going to deliver. So when I got a big audience on, I got to get somebody. I know that's going to deliver some hard shit. Booga gets on there and say I put the, you know, I put my thumb in her ass and put the tallywackers. He comes with the freaky rap. He come with the freakyest shit ever.

I'm crying laughing. I'm not thinking of it. We do the show three nights a week. This shit goes so viral. I'm not even knowing the shit goes so viral. He has to make a song in a video about it. That's crazy. It's at like $4 million on his page.

Like $3, four, five million on other pages. It kept going viral over and over and over again. what the fuck. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just, it was crazy. And the nigga had to make a video about it and a song and a song streaming. And the shit is crazy.

You know what I'm saying? That shit was crazy. What made you want to do the scissors shit? You know, just when you live, you know how it is to be live. You just, and you fidgety. You're just doing shit. So I'm just had the scissors and shh. And now it's like my secret weapon.

It's like my sword. You know what I'm saying? My scissors. Facts. Because it looked like, it looked like it looked like it was playing the hell intentional, like how nigg. A lot of people would think the scissors would be bad. But when you put out scissors, that I mean like, you're going crazy.

You're going crazy. Like, yeah, nigger go crazy. Yeah, that shit. And it just works, man. I'm fend to come with some scissors merch. I'm bullshit. But I'm going to come with some scissors merch for sure. That's going to be crazy as him, bro.

No cat. Definitely. Just one of them. So once you start doing the thizzler thing and then you start doing the freestyle, like when do you know like, bro, like this is like, this is here. Like, this is what I'm doing. I, nigga. Early on, I remember a nigga.

And this is on YouTube when Mazzie got on. Nick, we had Mazi get on Mazi spit a free sale. This is when Mazzie was going crazy. Like, Mazi gets on early Mazzi. You know what I'm saying? Now, this is probably like 20, 20 or some shit like that. But Mazzi was still going crazy around that time. Yeah.

This is Mazzie Mazzi. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? He'd get on there a spit of freestyle. Then I interview burner. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, shit, this shit is kind of something. Yeah, it's picking up. This shit is something.

Like, people are really fucking with this show. And then it's like everybody who's a somebody just kept coming through. They was either getting on. or they was, you know what I'm saying? They was in the comments. So it was one of the other. Even G. Ezy got on one time. And it was thousands of motherfuckers in there.

But she said G.EZ signed. He played some music and Instagram like, nah, nigger, this is like some music. And they shut the show down. But I'm like, God damn, G.E.E. That's great. And this was G. G.E.E. Seal out toward G.

G. You know what I'm saying? And he got on. GEasy, get on again, too. We need that 10 million follower. Love, nigga. But, yeah, everybody as if somebody came through. And I'm just, you know what I'm saying?

That shit is a blessing. you know motherfuckers be tuning in because if the audience see that and they like shit i want to show my talent to this person i want to show my talent to lou ye i want to show my talent to mozzi or burner whoever may be in here i want to i want these people to see my talent because that's why i love about the show is helping these hungry artists because there is not many platforms that's actually listening to these hungry artists it's not many you know what i'm saying if you ain't got in this game if you ain't got something to offer is fuck you that's if you're not coming with something in hand it's either got to be some money or an audience you if you ain't coming

with them is fuck you with us. You ain't got to have shit. Just be dope. Right. You know what I'm saying? And if, you know, and it's just dope to, you know, help them hungry artists and, you know, get them exposure. No, that's a lot of motherfuckers not doing that, bro. A lot of people would just, as soon as they get their spot, get the gatekeeping, like they don't know nobody. Absolutely. You find that's a problem in a bay? Gatekeeping? Uh, that's a problem everywhere, but I'm going to keep real gatekeeping. I'll use you for an example. Your work ethic is so crazy, a nigga can't gatekeep from you. Like you was doing a rap and shit, you was outside.

You know what I'm saying? And then you came in here and you made away. It's kind of, you kind of got to make your own way. So I don't really like saying people gate keep because I had to make my own way with the live shit. I had to create my own lane and then I made everybody come to me. So the gatekeeping shit

sometimes is used as an excuse. Now, niggas do be hating. Because I get hated on. But the gatekeeping shit, I don't like to say that because it gives people an out to not work hard. And niggas like us had to work hard and create a lane. Niggas had to create a lane. Because if you wasn't valuable, niggas wasn't going to keep you up here, you had to prove your value. You know what I'm saying? And earn everything and earn your own shows. You know what I'm saying?

So the gatekeeper shit, I wouldn't say, yeah, it happens, but niggas don't use that. That's a fact. That's a fact. How do you feel like, do you feel like it? And how do you feel about people calling you to face a thursday? Because I ain't going to lie. You really like, you're the only face that I can attach to that motherfucker for real, you know? I tried to deny shit for so long. I try to. I just, I embrace it at this point. You know what I'm saying? I embrace

it at this point. Only thing what I don't like is when they don't mention everything else I got going on. Because nigga, I do a lot in my community year around. So yes, I fuck with Thistler. I am the face of this. I embrace that. You know what I'm saying? I'm on that motherfucker. I am, I don't own it. I don't own that company, but I am the face

of it. That's just the reality I have deal with. You know what I'm saying? But I am not all Thizzler. Like I got, Nick, we just had a daddy daughter dance that was crazy. Nick, we fit to have a mommy son dance. That's fire. Nigel, I'm, uh, I'm sending kids to prom right now. We buy kids, uh, Halloween costumes. We do Christmas drive. We do backpack drive. Last two years, we did hoop tournaments. You know what I'm saying? Like literally year around, I'm in these streets making sure I'm a blessing to my community. So when you mention Thistler, whatever issues you have with me or Thistler, nigga mentioned that too. You know what I'm saying?

Mention that too because I am not just that. I am this too. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, you know, people say I'm in the face all the time. Yeah. What made you want to get into the philanthropy? That's a great question. Honest point.

And obviously my family, my family from the point, but it was, I'm a, the specific story I like to tell was it was a gentleman named Young, Little Kurt. He was from Kirkwood. You know what I'm saying? His daddy name was Big Lane. Kurt used to be on Kirkwood from sun up to sundown hustling. Every picture you see of Kurt, he is owned under the Kirkwood sign, hustling. Every time Kurt seen me because our families was close, he would, here, take a dollar,

here take $2. One time I ain't going to never get the nigga gave me $5. This one $5 meant something. You know what I'm saying? Because now that ain't shit, but back then you get $5 you on. He didn't know it, and I didn't know it, but at the time he was planting the seed of me because I'm thinking, nigga, when I grow up, I want to be able to give the dollar to $5 to $2 to $3, You know what I'm saying?

I wanted to be like Kurt doing that for people. You know what I'm saying? And so when I got of age, I'm like, nigga, I want to help. You know what I'm saying? Now, obviously I get a lot of that for my family because my family's a helping family, but I'm learning those outside influences play a role in the child's life too. You know what I'm saying? So that was an outside influence that really motivated me to start giving.

I got to give credit to, you know, rest in peace to little Kurt. You know what I'm saying? And his father, Big Lane. And shout out to, you know, other Lane, Big Lane. That's still live in, you know, Lolita. you know what I'm saying yeah man that's their family so when you first start like what was one of the first um philanthropist type events that you did or like you know some first start some early shit that you did with that uh one of the the biggest ones I did early was was shout to my partner Jeremy Posey he got shot in West Oakland he was not in no gang shit

he literally was smoking outside got shot in West Oakland so what we did was we did and he was when you and he got paralyzed so and when you get paralyzed in order for them to sometimes to release you from the hospital, you got to have a wheelchair accessible apartment. They ain't going to just release you if you don't have nowhere to go because now you're in a chair. I didn't know that. So we did a event at the Nika Lounge in Conquer, California to help raise money so he can get an apartment.

We had like a charity ball. It was a charity winner ball. You know what I'm saying? So we can raise money to get him an apartment. That was one of my first ones, big ones. You know what I'm saying? Before that I was doing little shit, but that was one of my first ones. That was back in 2016.

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, and I was doing it before that, but that was my first. big event, you know what I'm saying? And that was, that was a, that was a blessing. That was a blessing. All right. That's, that's definitely dope. How do you feel like you became such a voice in the bay, bro? Because I'm like, when I think of like, you know, for sure media, like all that kind of shit, you and then. How do you feel like you became a voice in the Bay scene or just California overall? Just being authentically myself, I think, I represent a part of the hood that people don't talk about because one thing people don't want to talk about is most people in the hood are not gangsters.

Most people in the hood ain't shot. Nobody ain't sold no dope. Ain't did nothing. These are working class citizens. And I was speaking up for that person. I was speaking from the person from the hood. But look, I'm not a gangster. I'm the world's greatest square.

But everybody knows where I'm from. People know me in these areas. And they know me to not be a street nigger. So I'm not going to get online and pop it like I'm a street nigger. So when I start being authentically myself, it made even street niggas gravitate towards me. And they respected it. So I ain't going to say I'm the voice because people have been saying that a lot lately. Like I'm the voice.

You know what I'm saying? But I ain't going to say that. But I think being authentically myself and speaking up for our audience that wasn't spoke up for made people kind of gravitate towards me. I was just going to say that too. Like, do you feel like that demographic specifically like don't got really nobody that's? You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people, when you think of the hood because, you know, the media tried to make

it seem like everybody from the hood is a gangster or a shooter or an ex-criminal or scammer. And that's just not the truth. It's not the case. My mom ain't ever been dead in her life. And she's born and raised in the hood. Her own life. You know what? I'm saying. Never been to jail. And that demographic needs to be spoken up for it because we're not all on that.

And we all have a perspective and we all, you know, have an opinion on things. And I was speaking up for that opinion. You know what I'm saying? And people really liked it. Like, we needed some representation. So I try to speak up for that person. Because I can't speak up for something that I'm not. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. That's a fact. I feel like that that demographic is definitely like him because niggas feel like, bro, you got to be tough. Exactly. I feel like the niggal who not tough because he don't see nobody that's doing a thing that's not tough. He damn there for like he got to go

be a tough ass nigga. Now he's getting himself and shit. He's not had no business being in. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So a nigga just, again, I ain't going to say that because I don't want to call myself the voice because I see how I see how our people historically do our voices.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I'm just a nigga talking just being himself and God has been good to me. That's a fact. That's a What's your thoughts on the Bay Area music scene right now? I think we have to evolve, meaning we have to work on our branding. We have to work on our marketing because sometimes, and just on the West Coast, it's not even just debate, we can be a little late to what's actually going on.

We still think having talent. Exactly. From the 90s and shit. Yeah, we still think having talent is enough. And now these people, like, look at Kai Sinette, look at Aidan Ross. They are bigger than your biggest rappers right. now. Why? Because the people want content. The people want more

than just your talent. The people want more and we have to give these people more. I don't think you can just go in a studio make a song no more and just post it and think you're going to go up. The people want more. They want branding. They want a lifestyle. They want more. They want to know you. You know what I'm saying? So I think the Bay, we just got to do

more branding and marketing. I think L.A. The Bay, I think the whole West Coast obviously there's a ton of talent. It's a ton of talent everywhere. But now we recognizing talent is one thing, getting people to care is another. So the Bay and LA, we have to get people to care now. You know what I'm saying? And that's the challenge that we all are facing, getting people to care about your talent. And if you don't want to do that work, you might as will quit. That's a fact. How do you feel like, bro, like, because I feel like, and you being

from the Bay can speak on this too, like, everybody's starting to really get this word of sealing. The West Coast has a ceiling. You know what I'm saying? Like, West Coast rappers have a ceiling, the ceiling word. Like, do you feel like this is a? thrilling. If so, how, how do the West Coast get past this ceiling that they reach to or are top of becoming rappers reaching and they don't reach past? Like, how do we get past this ceiling shit that they keep talking about? I think, and this isn't even just, this is just West Coast culture, period. We have to be a little bit more generous and polite and kind to our women. I think it all starts with being a little bit more. We can't keep trying to pimp on every woman, fuck on every woman,

break on every woman. Bishes ain't shit to every woman. And if I'm just looking at the culture, women are the biggest consumers in this music shit, women and children. So us, we break on a bitch, pimp on a bitch,

send a bitch. Okay, I mean, that's cool, but do they, do this fine-ass registered nurse in Atlanta? Do she want this?

Do this thick-ass Cuban model in Miami? Do she want this? Who got 100,000 followers? And if she posted on her story, that's 30,000 people that's going to hear your song right there. Do she want to hear that or do she want to hear somebody, you know, selling her a dream?

Like, I'll take you out somewhere. I want to be, you can have whatever you like. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you can't figure out how to harmonize that shit and sugarcoat it in a way, which a lot of people can't do, you got to bring out a new topic. You know what I'm saying? You got, I think we have to be a little bit more polite and kind to our women and know how to make our women have fun.

It's not a secret why sexy red is huge, why Glorilla is huge, why Lotto is huge, why they bigger than a lot of male rappers. We have to, and this has been a thing. We have to be more generous and, you know, cater to our women a little bit more. You ain't got to be no simp. You ain't got to be no sucker. You ain't even got to do no tricking, but learn how to get your message through to the women. Fact.

Speak to these women. I agree. I always say women and children. I always say, niggas don't buy nothing. Niggas don't support. Niggas not coming to shows. Niggas for like they're too cool. Niggas not doing none of that shit.

Exactly. Women, children, the children, make their women, make the mom. make the moms, which is the women, go buy the shit, or the women like if they stuff, and then niggas follow it up. Because the niggas is going to always want to play with the women like. Exactly. Always.

Got to get to them women in the West Coast, nigga. L.A., y'all banging like a motherfucker in the bay. We just extra pimping like a motherfucker. And women, you know, the women here understand it. They fuck with it. But, you know, that woman, you know what I'm saying? In that Houston, Texas, who used to niggas taking her places and buying shit for, she's not going to be able to relate to that.

You know what I'm saying? A nigga didn't bought her BBL. A nigga didn't bought her a purse before. So she's not going to understand. Hey, bitch, break it off. You know what I'm saying? You're not lying. That's a fact.

So, you know, and we got to be honest, Atlanta's a very big influential hub right now. It's a big influential hub. So if you can, if you can't break into that market, you are going to have a ceiling. Look at Roddy. You know what I'm saying? You got to be able to break into that market.

You know what I'm saying? And then now you can now you're on a different level. Now you're a different ball game. No, that's a fact. Do you fly like the world's still from the bay? Hell yeah, nigga, yeah. Let me say this. The bay, nigga, we think and we know we're the motherfucking Beyonce

and the rest of the world is Destiny Child. You know what I'm saying? We the motherfucking David Ruffin and everybody else is the temptations. Yes, nigger, everybody be stealing our shit. But you know what? We're so cool and player in the bay. We don't mind, but just come fuck with us though. You know what I'm saying?

Come give us an opportunity. come give us, come do like Almighty did like, hey, C Lee, pull up, I'm going to interview you on no jumper. Come show us some love because all we need is some game and an opportunity. We good. You ain't got to give us no money. Give us some game and an opportunity.

We'll do the rest. But just come really fuck with us. You know what I'm saying? If you're going to borrow our shit, give us a, throw us a little alley- al-you, we're going to dunk that motherfucker. We might even take the al-you down, you know, cleared out and shoot the three and cashed that motherfucker from deep. But just, yes, nigger, yeah, yeah, everybody be borrowing our

shit. And then, niggas, shout out to Detroit, and I'm glad they cleared up. Them niggas just trying to say they made the word slap. Like, nigga, what? Are you serious? Nick, luckily the Detroit niggas like, nah, they debate made that. But yeah, nigga, they be trying to just like. Man, what slap and what don't slap? Food don't slap.

You know what I'm saying? Music slap. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what the fuck. The rest of the world be talking about niggas be all on TikTok, talking about, oh, I ate this chicken sandwich. It's slapped. Slap the bitch.

You know what I'm saying? I don't even make. sense, you know what I'm saying? Like, that don't, that don't even make no sense at all. You know what I'm saying? Slap come from the speaker. Slaping. Yeah, slapping. You know what I'm saying? Slaping in the trunk 415s. Got your Chevy van with the extra spare on the back going crazy, man.

Food smacks. Yeah, food smack. We ain't, they don't slap. Music slaps. That's a slap. Because your mouth smack when you eat it. Yeah. And music slap. You know, them niggas be wilding with the, with the, just trying to just take over the Bay Lingo. What's some shit you feel like some people's throw from the bay. All the words. And I'm gonna keep a lot of our sound, a lot of a lot of niggas stole from the mob to the hyphy to that uptempo type shit. A lot of niggas stole that our, our sound.

A lot of niggas kind of took that and ran with it. And but some people even acknowledge you like, yeah, I was influenced by 40. I was influenced by short. The independent game, Master Pia tell you I got this from the bay. You say that all the time. You know what I'm saying? So it's like our hustle, our marketing methods. A lot of people got that. from us, you know what I'm saying? Like, and this is on record, people are saying it. So this is not me just being egotistical and arrogance. So, yeah, marketing or sound a lot.

You know, now they're trying to start, our words, slap and all that for shizzle, isle and all that, bezy, all that, that come from the bay. That come from all that. That's from the bay. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, niggas gone, niggas going to earn. Hell yeah, that's a fact, you know. Even breezy, Chris, breezy, breezy is a bayword, a old school bayword.

Niggie, that's from the bay. Breezy, you know what I'm saying? 40 was saying that shit when he was guest hosted on 94-9 way back in the day, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. T-T on nigger something. Yeah, man, that's all from the Bay.

Shout out to Chris Brown, though, because he fuck with us though. Chris Brown fuck with the Bay, tough. That's a fact. Man, what do you feel like like the Bay need to do next? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, or what do you feel like you feel like you could give the Bay next?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, what do you feel like you can give to help the scene progress because you are? You are voicing it now. Like, you know, whether you want to be one or not. You know what I'm saying? I think the bay we need to hit the road. One thing I'm learning about this game is,

and I learned just from my nigger Rim, and a lot of people who come up to L.A., they like C. Lee. Like, producers tell me this and rapper, they like, send in a nigger a song is one thing. But being there is another. So I think the bay needs to hit the road. We need to get down to L.A. more.

We need to get to Houston more. We need to get to Atlanta more. We need to get outside more because being next to these, being next to different kind of people tapping into new crowds is a lot different than just posting something on the internet. I agree. You know what I'm saying? And one shout out to my nigga Russ because Russ, he taught me that too. Like he likes to put an opening act like DB by the bag is selling our show. So he'll put an opening act that's upcoming on there. So this opening act can get familiar with this audience and audience can get familiar with him. Then next, you the headliner now.

And that's getting on the road touching people. You know what I'm saying? Get in front of people. So the Bay, we got to hit the road. We have to hit the road because it's just staying home you can only get so far. We got to hit the road. We got to, we got to go tap in with Houston, see what sauce walka and then was doing. Go see the next nigga they load up in Atlanta, get with them. You know what I'm saying? Go down to that Miami. You know what I'm saying? Opalaka and all that tap in with the trenches and see what they got going on. Go fuck with the N. Y. Little drill scene or, you know, the new niggas with the fisher and all the niggas with that sound. Really just tapping in building relationships with people. It ain't even got to be on no

music, but just getting outside building new relationships because it all start with relationships. this shit is all about relationships. I've been hearing a lot about these niggas ideas. I could just go go here. I didn't heard a lot of niggins. I could go go here. I could go planting them here. The West Coast don't need nobody else.

That's so dangerous now because these audiences are moving on quick. You are a rapper. You know how one minute they'll love you next minute they go on. They own or something else. You know what I'm saying? But now, if they move on, I still got motherfuckers in Memphis that love me. I still got people in Detroit that love me. Speaking of, that Nicky T. Grizzly did that.

He'll tell you that. As soon as that these niggas prayed on my downfall popped off, what that niggas start doing? Tapping in with the bag. He'd start hitting the road tapping in with people. Sada, baby, did the same thing. Niggas start hitting the role networking with people. I remember he was in Houston, and they put a TSF chain on that,

he was fucking with Saws Waka. He's building his foundation. He's building relationships, and that's important if you want to survive and thrive. Everybody else hits the road, tap in, build relationships with us, LA and the Bay. We just, we so arrogant and egotistical. It's like, nigga, I'm, nigga, I'm him. And that's not the way to always go.

You got to hit that row. Spend a couple dollars. Get your Airbnb for a month or two. Go hit them strip clubs. Go hit them clubs. Go hit their restaurants. Go learn their culture and go fuck with these people. And it'll take you a lot further.

That's a fact. Why do you feel like we just all so comfortable and we just don't? I think because we just arrogant and egotistical. That's one thing we got bad on the West Coast, especially. I love my people and the baby. We got that shit bad. Again, like I said, we think we the Beyonce and everybody else is the motherfucking destiny's child. It's a gift and the curse because where we go, we stand out. We stand out everywhere we go. But at the same time, we can be difficult to deal with or we can be so caught up in self. We don't recognize how

important it is to build new relationships. You know what I'm saying? L.A. niggas got that too because the niggas is so gang banged out. If you ain't this, it's fuck you. And that's not necessarily the way to go. Because we're trying to build businesses. We're trying to build brands. Because, niggas Memphis is important. Atlanta, Houston is important. You know what I'm saying? Detroit is important. You know what I'm saying?

Miami and all this, Orlando and Austin, Texas, all that shit is important to go. They have fans here. They have real people here who really want to see you and touch you and you can build upon that. So we got to hit the road. That's a fact. What you got going on right now? Like, bro, what you got?

What are you doing next as far as your media shit? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like where you want to take this shit exactly? I got my game coming up. So again, I've, I've. always have my Ceeley live show. So now I'm going to bring it to people's living room. And it's just conversation cards.

It's called the CLE live conversation cards. And we just have real conversations about real topics, about real shit. You know what I'm saying? And, uh, yeah. So I like you, bro. You always doing something. I always got something going on. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's fire. You ever had sex with a coworker at what job? You know what I'm saying? Like, so I got a bunch of different, I got a bunch of saucy-ass questions. Essentially, all the topics that we've talked about over the years. I'll put them in car form, and I'm going to bring it to people's living room. So I'm excited to release that in June. And we got shit, Bar Wars right now on Thistler YouTube on Tuesdays at 7.

We got IG Live going on Wednesdays at 7, Thursdays at 9, and Sunday at 9. So I'm just working. I'm literally shooting five six shows a week, plus my own shows, plus hostings. We got the mommy son, Dan's coming. We got the gala coming up from SS. Black Wall Street in June, June 14th. I'm just booked. I'm gonna keep, bro, I'm trying to go crazy right now.

God has been blessing me, and I'm just trying to, you know, work my ass off. I'm trying to appreciate every opportunity. Hell yeah, nah, you're going crazy, bro. That's love. Not for real, real, bro. Absolutely. Hell yeah. Tell the people where everybody can find you at, bro.

No cap. Hey, man. Follow at the C Lee brand. All this shit. Make sure you watch the live. You can be the next star like my nigga little bugger. Can we get Boog in here for a freestyle real quick? Yeah.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Just miss something real quick. You want to? You're nervous? Come on You can take my spot real quick I need my nigga to spit something

Come on, boy Go ahead, bro Let's go your name, where you're from Hell yeah Tell the people what your name is Where you from what you do, bro, no cats I'm sad in this little buggin' nigga Ah

You know I'm from Philadelphia You see me Go crazy, bro Yeah Like I say I know they're trying to boxin' nigga And I had a dream about it Last two cases

They didn't book me for him I never leave without it Niggin' you got your gun I got my gun to take him down he don't got nowhere to run to if you ain't do away i'm to the spittle when he come to and i put that on my dad name you ain't really trying to catch a body you got bad aim i keep a gleeck attached to me like my last name talking out your ass my niggas to get you situated foreign lows that bitch roaring when it hit the pavement i can't take this life for granted

this shit is amazing don't really got an appetite the bag what i'm craving spray down the monkey suit before getting into it i don't hey Hey, man, he was gassing. No cap, he was gassing. I'm see legal for the people. Shout to Almighty, man. Thank you for let us come through. No cap.

You already know, bro. I had to. Thank you, bro. I appreciate both y'all for sliding through. No cap. Y'all know what's going on. It's another one, you feel me? No jumper.

Almighty, seel legal for the people. You feel me? I have to meet the bait through. No cap. Y'all know what I'm going to do. I'm going to bring them people through that y'all need to know. For real, for. Absolutely.

No jumper. We about here. Let's talk about it.