No Jumper - Cash Kidd on Detroit Upbringing, Being a Punchline King, Staying Beef Free & More

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

Cash Kidd talks about working with Big Sean, making a name for himself, avoiding beefs and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Cash Kidd on wanting to be like Adele in terms of mystique and emphasizes quality over quantity 3:20 Cash Kidd on coming out of the same hood as Babyface Ray, Peezy and Icewear Vezzo 6:20 Cash Kidd on being forced to go to church every Sunday and giving all of his credit to God 7:15 Cash Kidd talks meeting G.T. playing football when he was younger 8:10 Cash Kidd on his high school experience and regretting how he treated some people earlier in his life 12:00 Cash Kidd breaks down being influenced by Lil Wayne & Cassidy and how that shaped his rap style and punchlines 14:50 Cash Kidd on writing down all of the lyrics on Lil Wayne's "Da Drought 3" to help understand his punchlines 16:00 Cash Kidd talks not always listening to music that have punchlines and really enjoying Soulja Boy's music 18:40 Cash Kidd names Rio Da Yung OG and Eminem as the kings of punchlines in Michigan 22:50 Cash Kidd on failing 12th grade, getting a job at a furniture store right after high school and getting fired from Little Caesars by his aunt 26:00 Cash Kidd on his coworker at the furniture store making the beat for the song that blew him up 28:00 Cash Kidd says that people will listen to your music based on your personality 30:00 Cash Kidd speaks on blowing up before Tee Grizzley and the impact Detroit has had in the music industry 32:30 Cash Kidd speaks on his whole team being indicted and not wanting to be involved in beefs 35:30 Cash Kidd breaks down how he linked up with OhGeesy 37:10 Cash Kidd speaks on his love for Cali artists, working with a lot of Bay Area artists and his experiences working with the late, Lil Yase 42:40 Cash Kidd speaks on having a birthday on Christmas Eve 45:00 Cash Kidd on switching schools because they were making kids wear uniforms 48:10 Cash Kidd on waking up the next day, listening to a song he made the night before and being surprised at what he made 52:40 Cash Kidd on having a lot of people to feed, doing whatever he needs to get to the next level, and not wanting any more kids 54:30 Cash Kidd on how he linked up with Big Sean and getting featured on a song with Eminem 58:00 Cash Kidd on where he is in his career right now and what he wants to accomplish before he's done in the game ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm in here. I got my man Lush with me. Yes, sir. And, yeah, when they told me that Cash Kid was down to do an interview, I was like, I got to get Lush in here because he's always name dropping you around the opposite. He made very clear one of his favorite rappers out of Michigan.

Had to push the line. You know, like, do you remember the initial conversation was we were talking about the most talented rappers? Yes. Blowing up the furthest. And you threw his name right in it. Like, if talent sells, then how come Cash? kid ain't the number one rapper in America. Right.

Thanks. Gotcha. Right. But yeah, man, like, it's crazy because when I was starting to get ready for this interview, I kind of, like, assumed you had done a bunch of interviews, and it's actually kind of rare. Yeah. Actually, I don't do no interviews. It's probably like, I did one interview ever in my life.

You did Vlad? Yeah. That was the only one. Because I've seen you on, like, a few podcasts and stuff. I didn't click them, but it seemed like it was some, like nothing too serious. I don't think I was on no podcast to be. Oh, yeah, maybe one, like, yeah, maybe when like a Detroit podcast before. Yeah, yeah.

But other than that, I don't, like, I really never wanted to, I always want to just be, like, where, like, Adele, like, I love Adele so much. I just want to be, like, a rap version of, like, somebody who you barely see. But when you hear him, you know, I'm coming with that fire every time. But I don't want to be on the same, like, all day. Like, you feel me? I want to be here, like, you know what I want to, like, just be a rare rapper. I don't want to be, like.

You want to be Playboy Cardi of Michigan? I don't really, I don't really know how the Playboy Cardi is, but if that's how he is, I just always see him as, like, he was, like, one of this generation of Atlanta rappers who like everybody else kind of did everything and instead he stayed super secretive, low-key so when he drops his fans go nuts for it. I love that. Yes, I love that.

You feel like me? Wow. You rolled those blunts? Gina just came in with four blunts rolled. But she showed us her nails to prove that it couldn't have been her. They're too long. That makes sense. But Dale, like people like that, I always look like,

I always just loved the way the type of artist they were. So I just like, that's how I wanted to be. Like, I feel like I gotta stand out some way. Like, I feel like I had enough confidence to, to feel like that I'm good enough to do that. Like, you feel me? Like, I mean, some people might not think so. Like, this man, tripping.

I took it like you, you gotta drop mode, but I just type of artist I wanna be. Like, I don't wanna be the artist that you just see all day. Like, I feel like, it'll water down easy. But I feel like if I come, you feel like me here and there, Then I'm, every time I'm coming with fire, I'm gonna make sure quantity over quality every time, you feel

me. I just don't want to, you feel me? That's your type of artist I am, though. Because you do have a ton of personality, like on camera as well as in the music. Like, it just, it feels like when I listen to your music, it's kind of telling me enough about you as a person that maybe I don't need an interview.

Yeah, yeah. That's how I really wanted it to be. But I feel like in person, I'm really, if I'm really more, I don't got social media presence. Like, I don't really post on Instagram. I don't got nothing of like Instagram. I don't know. Never had nothing.

But there's like countless rappers who have no personality and are dying to do every interview possible, which is kind of funny because, like, you're a person that would benefit from doing interviews. Realistically, I think, you know, I respect and I appreciate that you've been rare with it. But like, you'll do a good job in interviews. A lot of people are dying and doing interviews hitting me up all the time. They got nothing to say. Maybe they're trying to be cool when they come up. That's part of it, for show. They too cool.

They figure as soon as I get up there, I'm going to think of something to say. Everybody rehearsing and that, like, rehearsing all that. I figured you just, like, aren't really tripping on the fame like that, too. I don't really care about it. I really love, like, I love life. Like, I just, I'm just appreciative of even being in this position, to be honest, even being on no jumper. Like, I'm even surprised that, like, I still surprised me every day that,

maybe I'm a rapper. Really? I don't really. Well, we're very honored to have you. I'm very honored to be here. For real, for real, for you. So, can we talk about your early days and what your life was like as a kid?

Yeah, I really was like, I really was like, I mean, it wasn't like, I want to know, I ain't had no money or nothing like that. We, we wanted, we weren't rich, you know, fools, that's probably one of the dirtiest hoods in the, in the city, for real, for real. Well, who's that? No, you're good.

Six mile, gunshot. I'm in the same, I came from the same hood, baby face Ray, Bezo, Pizzie, um, all I'm like, we all. They're just a little bit older than me, maybe like a couple years older than me. But they were like, You were just knowing about him as people?

To be honest, I knew about Peezy before he ever. I think I told him this a couple of times. I knew about Pizzi before he blew up. He was like, he used to just rap, but he's like put out CDs in a hood. Like, I don't know if he sold him at the gas station or nothing, but I used to just bought him from the gas station. And we, everybody that I was hanged with, why we just listened to Pizzee like, this hard as hell.

What the fuck? He's the first one we heard about here. Like, he was. One day, I was walking. I'm young as hell. I'm walking. Like, I didn't think nobody did like new Pizzie. So I'm walking with my people from somewhere.

I don't remember. I just hear somebody banging him in the car. I was so proud. I couldn't believe. And I thought, like, he wasn't famous or nothing. I was like, what the fuck? This nigga Peezy? And somebody's car?

And this nigga famous now? Hell yeah. I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. And I just see Pizzy all the time. You get me? So I couldn't wait. They're like, this nigga.

This nigga that, this nigga that, this nigga is really like the first, like one of the first hood niggas that was been, he'd been popular, though, for a long as time. Because there's just been mad level. to it because when I got into really listening to Peasy a couple years ago is when I realized like, oh shit, this dude been doing it for like 10 years. He got a whole catalog that I wasn't tapped in with. And even now, like with him having some of these TikTok hits and shit, it feels like he's kind

to take it to another level, which is amazing to see that there's like so many different levels that you could kind of hit. And I feel that way about a lot of people out Detroit too. When you start to do your homework and you're like, damn, this dude, been rapping for 10 years with like real music videos for 10 years. Everybody like baby money, been rapper for a minute, like before he blew. He'd been working hard as hell. Ray, all them boys, them boys was going crazy for a minute.

Before I was even, if you had me, before I was even wanted to be a rapper, I just liked the rap, but I never really cared about being a rap. I got home boys just like, was the rappers in my circle like that was pushing to be rappers. You feel me, I never wanted to be the rapper. I just was the one day, like, throw a little, give them a couple little lines and shit.

Or like, you hear me like, or just do background shit, like, behind the scenes, I never really cared about. I liked my life, like, without fame. I didn't really care about being famous. I was already kind of known in my city already. anyways, to be honest. For sure. Okay, so what was your parents like?

Like, what kind of upbringing do you have? Church, like, I was in church every Sunday, probably, man, every Thursday, quiet rehearsals. Like, I was in the church. I was just wanted to know those bad ass kids that sleep. I didn't know, like, I'm just sleeping in church. I was forced to go to church type of shit, but, you know what? You know what I just wanted to go to that bitch, talk to a couple little bitches

in the church probably, you feel of me? Oh, that's the motive. I see you now. Okay. Man, they got to. You hear me? So your parents pushed this heavily on you, but it didn't really, it didn't work too well? What, church?

Yeah. No, hell no. They pushed the head on me, but it worked, like, you hear me? I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, that's, you feel me? There's a difference between, like, believing in God and, like, wanting to go to church as a kid. It feels like these are very different things. As a kid, I didn't want to go to church, but it shaped me.

Like, now I don't believe it. I get all my motherfucking credit the guy. Everything, you feel me? I'm a whole arm is a guy arm, one of these arms. You feel me? But, yeah, I'm one of them, man. Yeah, you feel, you feel? Definitely.

I really don't. What else were you into as a kid, though? Like, what kind of kid were you? I was one of them niggas that just played sports like a motherfucker. I actually met GT in sports. Like, that's how we met. Back in the day, we played football. Like, back in the day, we played the same football.

And when you're, GT was popular, too. As a kid, though. Like, one of them fresh-ass kids, like, this nigga, like, he's light-skinned. You feel me? But he's a hood nigga. So you're like, oh, yeah, who the fuck is this nigga? You're like, he wanted them, I played football with him, though. So I know him my whole life.

Like, so every time we see each other, it's a treat with me. Like, damn, my nigger. look at you, like, yeah. A lot of these shows and studio sessions must feel like a high school reunion or something. Every time. Every time, that shit be, I'd be so proud of niggas, bro. I'd be so proud of these niggas, like, man, I'm so happy that y'all knickers going up

because I've seen niggas doing it before me. So you feel like, I'm just so happy to, I'm just so proud of that shit, man. I swear to God, I'm happy to even be in a little conversation. For real, for real. What was high school like? I was one of those little kids that was, like, just talk. I was one of the people that I felt like talked about people and shit that made funny people. I was cool, but not at them older, I'd be feeling bad.

Like, damn, I wonder how did I treat people. Oh, man. That's the realest shit you ever said. I think about that, too. Because I know I got bullied, but I also know I was fucking with some people, too. Like, really, like, even with your friends, some of the cruelty between each other seems so nuts when I think about it now. That's childhood and shit, though. I've been thinking about, like, I probably said some fucked-up shit to my teachers.

Not that I'm older. I probably didn't have fucked up their day. Knowing like, you know what I'm older, but like, damn, that's fucked up, bro. I was a fucked up child, bro. I probably put so many, put so much shit. Yeah. I just try to be cool.

I try to be empathetic and try to be, you know, I know I was one of them bad days. If I was a smart-ass kid, do I got good grades. I just fucked up. I do my shit and then just fucking up, fucking with everybody around the class type shit. The world.

You said kids so I'm crying? Huh? You said kids home crying? Yeah, about talking about them type shit. Like, yeah, we can get your little bum ass on. Hey, look at you got him. That shit's bow. But the world has changed a lot in, like, the last 20 years or whatever.

Like, the world's a lot more sensitive. We're a lot more tuned into how other people feel and shit, you know? It's like we've kind of, we've had to grow. Man, facts, though. The Internet has made us, you know, we can talk about cancel culture or whatever, but also, like, it's just when I listen to the chronic or fucking doggy style, I'm kind of like, damn, I don't know anybody who talks about girls the way that they were casually, like some of the skits and shit.

I'm like, bro, this would be treated like fucking hate speech if it dropped today. It's way worse than Andrew Tate. We need to bring that back. Well, it was a good time. Yeah. So sensitive to him now. So. But I've been thinking about a lot of that

ever since I've seen them tweaking out about Ice Spice hanging out with Kim Kardashian's kids. I'm like, bro. I ain't even know. The doggy style, like doggy style in particular, bro, just go back to the skits.

Go back to the chronic. And like, just tell me that those skits are anywhere near what the fuck Ice Spice is rapping about. The fact that ain't no fun was a radio song. You feel me? Basically you're talking about running train on hose, essentially like that's crazy. Hey, that's on the radio.

Hell yeah. Bro, ain't no fun of the homies can't have none. Come on. It ain't got no customers, man, not that I think about it. No, and a couple of years ago I was in the gym, and it's like a small personal training gym or whatever, and there's this girl working out there, and she's huge. She's super, she's almost tall as me.

But at one point somebody that said, you know the girl's 12 years old? She's like a real hardcore athlete or some shit, so she trains in this personal training gym or whatever, and that fucking song came on. And I'm lucky, I'm glad I didn't put it on But she went up and asked them to change the song But honestly, it was so offensive that I like, I felt for her Like, damn, that's fucked up, she's just trying to work out And she got to hear this shit

It wasn't even bitches ain't shit Honestly, it might have been those back to back I can't remember exactly, but Oh my God, no Classic Eric True I was just like eight I was eight listening to that shit

Right Hey But okay so you were rapping all through high school or what? I could rap, but I just didn't rap. Like I said, I had home boys that raping this shit, but, like, it's crazy that, like, I used to have people that raping in school, like, homeboys that really took rap in serious during school, like, my everyday niggas, but they never knew I rap.

Like, you feel of me, but I rap, like, I could rap. I could rap, Ben, I knew I'd rap, but I just never really wanted to be a rapper. You feel, I mean? Like, I just knew I could rap, but I just, um, like, we had motherfucking cyphers in the hallway and shit. I never rap. I'd probably be making a beat or something. I'm on my, like, hyper-nickers-up type shit. You hear me?

I never wanted to rap, but I knew I could rap. Right. I just knew that, like, I felt like niggas to take my shit. I ain't gonna lie. Like, I just knew. I always felt like that. Like, I always felt like, like, the way niggas, I just felt like niggas to take my shit.

Like, because I heard it before. Like, before I even, like, blew up. I was, like, I go to the studio. I'll rap a little bit. And I hear, like, one of my homeboys coming. Like, hey, bro, tell me why a nigger, try to steal your rap today. Try to spit you your rap to me.

I'm like, I know him. But I'm not famous that type of shit. So now I'm, then I actually like, I don't know if y'all know, remember fun for Mubble? Yeah, yeah. Put ringtones. I actually, like, do that. And my shit was going crazy on there in my hood.

So, like, it was like, I'm like, damn, I probably could do this shit for real, for real, for real. Was it punch lines out the gate? I always, like, rap like that. I always rap like that. I always rap like that. I probably did, like, more back then. It was like, that's, like, you hear me?

Like, I, you know, I just mixed the punches in with my real life. Like, you know, like, not back then, I'm just rapping. Like it's just fairytale. Like, shit not even real. Like, just saying shit. Like, just sounds sweet. That's why you then, you have to go live this wild-ass lifestyle

so you can keep rapping and feel like you mean it, right? Yeah, so you can. But with the punchlines, do you feel like there's anybody in particular that was influencing you as a young guy? Lil Wayne, of course. Louis-Wayne, Cassidy. I listen to Cassidy a lot during high school, like, do it listen to his free styles.

But Lil Wayne was like the person that made me rap. Everything about like, man, little Wayne is the goat. Like the whole young money, Lil Wayne, Nicky Minaj, and Drake, them like my motherfuckersers They really made me like, yeah, I'm going to do this shit. Them, they used two goaded. For real. I figured that you also, and I could be completely wrong,

but I know it's big in Detroit, too. I figure there's a battle rap influence in you. Because, like, those, the type of punches you have, hasn't anybody ever told you, you would be an amazing battle rapper? They always tell me that. I actually battled people before, like, just rapping the cyphers and shit, like, once I got order and shit, but I never really, like, wanted to battle.

I just couldn't see myself. You didn't watch it or nothing? Yeah, I watched it. Not Calicoe with the... Yeah, I watched Calico. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah. I watched...

Calico so hard. Hell yeah. Yeah, that's my dog. I just never... I just never wanted to be a... I just know me. Like, I don't be with... I don't got time to be motherfucking, like,

niggas in my face, bitching in my own. Would you punch somebody? I smack them. I don't want to punch no more. I'm just all I'm smacking. Okay. I'm trying to hang out with him. I'm trying to incorporate the backhand.

I've been smack in front hand. I'm trying to incorporate the backhand now. Okay. It's two, like, different. dispositions between like the battle rappers and the the regular rappers where it's just like a certain like level of like casualness that a non battle rapper has versus like a level of aggression that kind of like qualifies somebody to be a battle rapper and that's why it's weird when we saw a d spit that burst because we were like maybe maybe this was all a mistake maybe you should have been a battle rapper because it just felt right right right but there are like like he said cassidy that's like the laid back punch line style that is equally effective in battles and like because that That makes sense, though, that you had that influence and shit like that. Actually. Yeah, but I always just, like, Detroit in general, there's always been punchlines incorporated

in the style. And, but I feel like the way you do it, it's every bar. Your setups are punchlines. Below my name, man, that man, that man, man, I'm there. I'm gonna tell you something. When I first heard the drought three, I was writing the lyrics down, like, because I couldn't catch all the bars. And this is when I first started.

This is my first, this is the first CD I ever listened to. like understood and listened to like, I'm like, this nigga is talking to the person that put me on a little way I don't think they knew how cold he was. Like when they was putting me on them, they let me hold his CD

and I'm listening to it all that like, this nigga cold as hell. I don't think, because the person was like hyping him up like, yeah, this nigga sweet but he wasn't too enthusiastic about how sweet he was telling me he was.

Right. I thought you should have told me like he was this sweet. Like I didn't know he was this cold. That nigga changed my life down there, bro. That is probably the best thing. Probably the best man. save of all time, draft three.

Man, oh my God. But especially for people like me who have been listening to Lowellane, like, here and there since, like, the late 90s, it's like, you really got to see him grow into this fucking rapper in the sense of, like, I remember, like, listening to him in, like, 99 or 2000, and then by the time it was, like, 2010, 2008, 2009, whatever, he's, like, one of my favorite rappers at that point and, like, had just gotten so much better over the years, like. Oh, he maxed. He maxed with that shit.

That's that way he put it in work. But what is it about the punchlines? Like, it's just to keep yourself interested. You feel like rapping would be too boring if you were just saying flash shit without having to make it, like, somehow, like, make sense? I actually listen to rappers that don't use punch lines. Like, you're surprised the rappers I listen.

So, like, I listen to niggas that don't even... I listen to, like, niggas that don't even... I listen to, like, man, what? I look... Bro, this is probably about to be an unpopular opinion, but I like Soldier Boy. I knew you was about to... I was about to say, well, you slap Soldier Boy.

Man, that nigger hard to me. I swear you was about to say that. That nigger hard, like, certain shit. Like, when I listen to music, I don't... don't listen to like, I guess I listen to just to hear your life type of shit or the type of person you are like, you'll be surprised the type of person like your home boy that don't rap, you go through his motherfuckin' notes, he's probably writing rats in his notes on the low. You would never know what somebody going through until you listen to their lyrics or to their

rap. I swear, bro. So it's like, I listen to everybody. That's crazy. I'm going to be real though. I was checking for Soulja Boy as a rapper from maybe 2008 to like 2012. To like turn my swag on him. There was an era in there where I was actually like listening to his projects consistently.

And then at some point it just kind of became like more of a meme than like an actual rapper to me. But respect to you. He's a legend though. Yeah, they don't take him serious just because he's soldier boy. Maybe he came out with dancing and shit. It's like once you already, you never get a second chance to meet somebody for the first time. You feel me? So it's like they already got a impression of Soldier Boy.

So it's like no matter what he talk about, he's like. But to be a soldier boy fan in like the. the late aughts early 2010s was kind of like to be tapped in with the underground in a way because he was so blatantly influenced by so many things like Lil B and all this other shit that was like underground that it was like it was interesting to listen to him

just to see where he was at in terms of like his influences. He based himself. Yeah, it was a baseer. He's funny to get entertainer. He's like, I love that shit, duh. But other than that, about the rap, the punchline shit, I feel like I was rapping, well not was. I rap for me.

Like, you hear me, I don't rap. I know people that gonna get every punchline I say. I know they don't watch everything I watch. I know they, you feel me? I really rap for me, like everything, or my home boys, like, you know, we rap for, I ain't gonna say what they rap for, but we rap for like, you know, like, niggas this week, like, that's how we came up.

Like, we just rap, we get each other punch lines and shit, you feel me, so the fact that the world, certain shit they don't get, or they do get, I'm like, all right, that's what's up that they fuck with me, but I really didn't even expect for them to fuck with me because the type of shit I am, like, they ain't gone, they gonna probably be like, this nigga, asshole.

Who do you look at as like the goats of punchlines in terms of Detroit, though? Or in terms of Michigan in general? Because I always think of Rio as like one of the absolute funniest motherfuckers ever. Just Rio and Eminem. That's it. Wow. And V's, I like V's punchlines. I ain't going to lie.

I'm fucking V's hard. Like, real hard. I put him in the music. You love South Park. You'd be rapping about South Park all the fucking time. Yeah. I like all cartoons that's funny as hell. Like South Park family guy.

Yeah. Simpsons. Shit like that. So are the bars like cycling through your head while you're watching a family? guy episode for the fourth time. I don't even watch TV. You know what is crazy. Like, everything I'd be...

But, like, if you became familiar with Rick and Morty there, boom, you have, like, a whole new reference base. That's probably not a good idea, but... All I do is see something like a couple times or maybe in the past or, like, you've seen me, or just see something, and I'm like, if I know people might understand it, I'm like, all right, I'll say that.

That's a nice little hard bar, you feel? Right. And also, but you, like, you have all the punches, but your music is fun to listen to you, too. It's not just like listening to certain people that are punch-heavy where you can't really digest their songs. Your shit, like, you actually got a flow, you got topics. And when you do collabs, you're pushing,

you getting the best out of whoever rapping with you, I feel like. Hell, yeah. I feel like, man, how I used to be, when I first started doing, like, features, I ain't used to be trying to, like, I used to be like, man, fuck this song. Like, it ain't my song. Like, I'm not to just say something on this bitch, but now I really want to talk crazy on that niggas song. Like, I want to, you feel me, I'm gonna treat it.

I'm gonna treat it like it's better. Like, I'm gonna treat that song more than, like I would treat my song. I'm gonna have more fun on my song. Where you get me on somebody else song? I'm really like, I want them to get what they want. But okay, can you be punching in in the studio and just think of fucking hilarious punch lines like that,

back to back off your head, or are you often stuck for a couple minutes, like thinking about what you wanna say? Both. Like, really, I write, I walk down, I could, It's been times I free, I do this a lot. Like I have freestyle straight through, but just keep some of it and just like, you feel me, delete some of the shit like, hell no, where I can say this better or I can pronounce

it better or I type of shit. But other than that, I just, I can do it both. I really just got back in my writing stage like, maybe like three months ago. Like, I told myself, I'm going to start back writing, man, because I feel like, rap became more like of a job. Like, so I'm in a studio and just saying, like, just talking, just talking shit in that bitch without really trying to try too hard. Like really, I'm just having fun.

I'm like, all right, let me still get back to my writing. That's why I really used to write back in the day when I first started rapping. I used to write. Like, I ain't couldn't freestyle at all. I'm not, I can freestyle. But that's to me. I think I can freestyle.

I don't know what I mean. I feel like when the fans listen to music, they don't care if you freestyle or writing. As long as it's a good song, it's a good song. Yeah. So I took it back till I'm about to start writing then. I just do both. Like, I could do both.

You know what I think about is, I remember Lloyd Banks always saying that his favorite bar of his own was shit could get uglier than the masterpiece sneaker, which, like, I totally agreed at the time and thought that was a fucking hilarious bar. Because, but when I think about it now, it does seem like kind of a low-hanging fruit-type punchline. Like, it's easy. It's just kind of like, the thing that was funny about it was that he's, like, very subtly disilling Master P, right? I mean, those kicks was hideous.

Let's keep it as well. I don't even know what they look like. I don't even know. I'm trying to think. we got to all right this this podcast would not be complete without a google all right they ain't the ones i bet you that s dot card that's those were hideous too the jz joints yeah i have some of the bitches those are uglyest fuck too i feel like the uh the dude there's so many weird pairs of sneakers coming up here but i feel like the the the lloyd banks line is almost like

a more famous thing than the actual sneaker i don't know if i'm able to find it i'm gonna give up I'm going to give up. Back in the day, we probably would have been able to find it better. There's a lot of more current thing. Pete is a good business, man. He's trying to get that shit off the internet. He's scrubbing it from Google. Oh, yeah, he probably didn't get that bitch, he was.

I feel like he's probably had a bunch of sneaker ventures since then as well. Probably has. Yeah. And that punchline's probably not as infamous as I'm assuming it is. But, all right, so you graduated? Yep. I graduated high school.

You know what's crazy about that. I actually failed to 12th grade, though. Like I was smart. I was smart-ass kid. I never failed until I got to 12th grade. I thought 12th grade was going to be like, I'm a senior, man. They might let me do what the fuck I want to do.

They failed the shit out of my ass. But, yeah, I went back to next year and I finished like, I had to do that three months. Oh, really? Oh, so it was all jammed in? You didn't have to, like, go the whole year? I just had to do it three months. Okay.

My boy was a fifth year senior dude. Man, for real, though. I'm like, man, they did me bold, dog. Oh, man. So what would you do after high school? Like, how'd you go about life? I got a job after that, shit, after that. To be honest, I ain't never want to do shit,

but I knew I was going to be successful or something, but I was so talented and so much shit. I was so, I was so, like, unsure at all the times. I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what I want to do. Like, I know I'm going to do something, though, because I just knew my leadership skills. I know my hustle skills. I know my work.

I know my work at the audit. So I'm like, damn, I just got a job, though. Got a job. My homeboy is rapping. I was investing to my homeboy and shit. Where are you working? At Garden of Wright. What's that?

It's like a, damn, y'all don't know what Garden right is? You know what Art Van is? Damn. That's a Michigan shit. Shit, I got, I just said a couple punchlines about that. I probably don't even know what the fuck I was talking about that. I thought that was a globe. It's like a furniture store.

Oh, okay. Like coal. We got coals out here. It's like, it's still. Pottery barn. I mean, like couches, tables. But I was in a warehouse. I worked nightshifts, so I'm in a warehouse.

And actually, I'm in the warehouse. This is a crazy story about that. That job, the nigger, I met the nigger that made my first beat on my mama. The song that blew me up, that's the first video I ever dropped. I blew up on the first video I ever dropped. But the dude that I met, I was working there. The dude that I met that made the beat, he worked there too. The nigger, Jerry, Jerry, I know Jerry who's real video.

He shot that video too. You're not talking about 11852 Mendon. No, it's before that? It was like 2014. It was like 2014. Is that 2015? Yeah, I dropped the video in 2014. I dropped the video in 2014, but I made the song like a year before it came up.

Okay. But I was working and shit when I made the song and shit, but my dog, I ended up getting fired from our band and shit for, I think I was fighting or something. In the warehouse? Yeah, I fired from all my job from bullying or set my first job when I said I was working at, I was working at like a little series for my auntie. She fired me because I was just, damn, auntie fired you? It's a business, man.

I mean, that bitch thinking shit was sweet. Was there a part of you that was like, damn, I just got fired from the worst pizza place in the world? The world. Like, where do I go from here? No, I really, like, I'm the type of person that I'd never be like that. Like, when bad shit happened, I was always like, it happened for a reason. Something better coming.

Right. It was a fucking fast-wood restaurant. I always had big dreams. So I really didn't care. Like, you feel me? Like, you feel me? Like, it was just something to have some money in my pocket for the moment. I definitely got fired from a bunch of jobs in high school that I didn't feel bad about it,

even for a moment for sure. We just had to answer the phone and shit. Like, yeah, this is, this is Louis Cesar's on, um, um, on blah, blah, blah. Man, I'll take your order. I'll just pick up the phone like, hello. I'm like, hello? Oh, shit, hang up. Oh, man.

So what would you say, though? You were your homie that you were supporting or you're working with or something? Yeah, my home boy was making the beats and shit. He made beats, but I got fired. But when I got fired, he didn't know get fired right after that. I forgot what he got fired for. His name Lano.

Let's get a Lano. So he ended up making the beat. He called me to his house and going to come over and shit. But he already knew I rap because I used to that niggas hear my raps. Remember I told you I rap back in the day. Yeah. I had to put shit.

like on fun for mobile, I let him hear my shit at work. He's like, my shit like, I wasn't the favorite for nothing. I probably had like 5,000, 6,000 views on that bitch on like just an audio. So it was like, a lot. But a nigga that I didn't like have no I was sharing my shit or nothing. He's like, what the fuck? Look at this shit. Actually cold.

Nick, look at it. Come over. And I came over with shit. He put the beat together. I probably did that shit in this, I did this shit in his living room. My homeboys was like, this shit cold. Like, they used to be banging that shit for a minute, like for a month. One day, we all was together, fuck it with some hoars. And like,

We went to shoot the video and shit. We ended up like, shit. They're like, shit. They're like, shit. Let's shoot that bitch. I didn't expect to blow up like that fast. You feel me? I ain't had no other fucking songs.

You thought you were nice though? I knew I was nice. You thought it was gonna blow up sooner or later? I really just thought it was gonna be just something to have fun. Like I had home boys that rap that was at the video shoot all that. I just wanted to motivate. Like, you got it for real, niggas. So I'm about to do this.

Once I do this, you're doing yours next. Like I was the type of shit, because I was the type of a kid that, like, if you I'll pay for a nigga shit. Like, you hear me? I'll pay for everybody's shit. Besides my, I didn't really care to be a rapper. Like, I just knew I could rap. I could do a lot of shit.

I just rap wasn't the shit I was pursuing. It's like, I was forced to be a rapper once I dropped that song because I was too famous. Like, nah, I got to rap. Damn, that's really how it felt. Yeah, hell yeah. It still, like, it was like, every time I went on, I didn't have no social media. I was never, all the hell was Facebook back then.

Like, I ain't never had Instagram or nothing. So I dropped that shit on Facebook. I dropped that shit on YouTube and I posted it on Facebook. That bitch blew up. I'm going to public and shit. It's like almost the summer. People taking pictures with me and shit. But before that, I was always,

I already take pictures with people when they see me because I was kind of like, a little local celebrity to them. I guess just, people just know me from like Facebook or something, I guess. So I always to take pictures with people and shit already. So this was like different type of shit. I'm like, damn.

I'm like, I couldn't believe it. Like, you mean, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, what the fuck? That's a valuable lesson. Not everybody needs to rap. The street's going to choose. who needs to fucking rap and whose voice they want to hear

at the end of the day I'm true to trust of that sometimes see you work hard you can force them to listen to you because they're gonna see you working hard yeah but some people are naturals you know that's what I'm saying which is kind of weird

I feel like I've interviewed so many people recently where they're talking about how their shit blew up and they're like yeah I put the video on YouTube and then a couple weeks later a million views and I'm just like what the fuck it feels like there should be more in between this but sometimes like the algorithm

is just really fucking good I was like I had like I had like 40,000 followers on Facebook, bro. Like, you know, Facebook, the Facebook motherfucker friendly was like 5,000. But I wasn't famous or nothing, so I just had followers on Facebook, so I was already kind of known.

Like, people just knew me, like, people just follow me. And I just dropped, like, I probably had like two freestyle videos, no video, like, no music video, like just me rapping into the camera that went viral. Like, both of my, every time I dropped the video of rapping, it went viral. So I'm like, oh, I know I can rap. Like, I knew it, they just, like, go super viral.

Like, the city knew, like, I could rap. Everybody knew I could rap. I just, they probably, you know, You know, it's different from knowing how to rap and really being a rapper. Rapper name just rap. You got to really be an entertainer. You've got to be a lackable person. People will like you.

People will listen to your music just off of your personality. Like, they're, like, Cardi B. I feel like she was a Instagram personality person. Then they grew up, you feel me? People will like you off, just you. She's kind of the person who showed us that a girl could make that transformation. Because I don't think we really knew that before her. I feel like him.

You could be a killer and then you could turn into a rapper? I think people liked him as a person. Like him, that's what made them. He dropped into his music type shit. Little Baby was like that. Little Baby was a famous-ass, like, dude around Atlanta slash drug dealer, and then he just started rapping, and all of a sudden, everybody forgot he was ever a drug dealer. Also, I feel like the Detroit wave blowing up.

I mean, there's always been artists from Detroit pop, but then y'all always, if people are tapped in, they know about, you feel me, like, Cheta Boys and all that old, you feel me, Detroit classic shit. But this whole new era, when it popped off, did you feel like, oh, shit I'm about to be on. Like when PZ and T. Grizzly start going up on a national level and all that, like, when that shit happened, I mean, when that shit happened, I'm like, and this shit going crazy, when a Detroit way first, like, man, I'm like, wow, this shit couldn't go on crazy. To be honest.

What do you feel like started it? What was the first, like? Yeah, because wasn't, like, T. Grizzly might have been something that you were like, oh, shit. I blew up before T. Like, I wasn't, like, global all the way. Right. Yeah. But, like, on a national scale.

T. T. Grizzly was, man, T. That first day. He's been hard. Like, so he's been hard. I mean, I remember seeing that the first, the first day he came out. I was losing my motherfucking mind, my. Yeah.

A nigga that I knew his name Ville, a nigga, and he walked up. And he's like, bro, look, this nigga, this shit hard as hell. I couldn't believe that shit, dog. And this nigga heard this. I knew he's about to blow up after that. But I know music. Like, I could be an A&R. No cat.

A lot of the niggas that's famous right now, I knew, I'm a YouTube, like, I'll be on YouTube, like, listening to, like, I knew the niggas was gonna blow up. Like, bro, it's a lot of niggas that, Like, I don't seen, niggas doubt, and I'd be telling, like, bro, okay, you go see. When they blew up, my niggas will tell a nigga, like, I'm the first nigga, like, I told you, bro, look, bro, I swear I got a little Tyler, Kodak, baby face, baby try, bro, so many niggas, bro, I'll be knowing, I'll be, I be, like, I'm like, damn there, like, I tell

niggas, like, okay, you're going to see, they're my worst, the niggas, like, I'm like, I know these niggas, like, bro, you're going crazy. Do you think you was going to blow up, though? like when that way were you like, oh, I'm about to be, it's about to be a rap now. Oh, hell no, no, no, no, no I just, I knew I had to put it in the work. I knew it was all up to me, no matter what. Like, no matter what the Detroit Wave got going on, I knew it was up to me, no matter what, you feel it?

Because I still feel like I'm not where I need to be. I still need to work somehow, you know, I don't put it on nothing but me, nobody but me, you feel, me? I mean, it's definitely impressive when I look at, like, what numbers you're doing and shit, though, like, you've just kind of consistently been able to hold on to a pretty significant fan base over the years, you know, a lot of people being popping for 10 years and still having like a lot of fucking eyes on you. And still, I feel like you still seem new to a lot of fans as well.

Yeah, hell yeah. I like that, though. I like that. And sometimes, shit, my numbers always go up and down. I just never care. I just drop music. I don't care. Like, I'm just having fun with this shit, bro.

I'm making money off music. I don't give a fuck about being the fucking most famous rapper alive, the British rapper alive, as long as I can feed me and my family and we can have fun doing it. Right. And I can stay out of jail because my whole team in jail. Right now? Yes, like everybody.

We got, I got, my whole team got indicted, 30 man indictment, you feel it? And you, you managed to not get, be a part of this? Yeah, I'm just a rapper, you know? Damn. You've been moving right then. Hell yeah, and I only post on social media, so I would never get like,

you're not gonna see me beefing with people on social media, you're not gonna see me anything. I tried to find it. You're gonna just listen to my, just listen to my, you might see YouTube, but I try to chill out on that because I was like, I had a bad, like, smacking people proud. A lot of times when I interview a rapper,

I try to find, And like if they've ever beefed with anyone, and that can kind of like tell you a lot about them. And a lot of times they haven't, but then sometimes you do. And sometimes it's like, oh shit, this guy has beef with like 15 people in his hometown that I've never heard of. It'd be like this. What's crazy too is like, you know,

certain cities have a hard time getting the national spotlight because of all the beef. Like right now, even L.A. is so divided. You look at certain cities and then there's like Atlanta where all the rappers, there is beef out there. but all the rappers worked together and then they blew up and I feel like Detroit

I know there's a lot of static out there but y'all fuck with each other though. And I feel like shit even the motherfuckers that is into it with each other in Detroit like

that shit like motherfuckers still like niggas not trying to motherfucking niggas letting each other eat you feel me I'm trying to be niggas ain't tripping too hard like high ladies

and me I'm the type of nigga that I don't get fuck who beefing like I don't get fuck about none of y'all dick's beefing I'm not choosing none of y'all-nickers. I don't even hang with none of you niggas. I don't care about none of you niggins be.

And if you want to put me in the middle of it, then you're gonna dust on you. You feel me? Like, I don't care about it. I never get into niggas people. I'm gonna hang whoever I want to. If you got a problem with it, then it's a problem. That is what it is.

Like, I'm not ducking no smoke from niggas, but I don't want no smoke with niggas. I'd rather be friends. I rather not friends. I rather build, feel me build relationships with people, but I'm not about to start working with somebody because you got a pile of it, you're not even my.

You hear me? Like, you're not, I make that known. I'll let it be known that. Like, I'm hang with everyone, any whoever I want to. Like, I don't get into none of that beat before, because I don't even be, I don't put that shit into this music. That's definitely a good attitude to have

because when we're talking to the rappers from the Bronx and shit, it's just like, oh my God, they are so divided. Like, you cannot do a song with this person if you fucking with these people and vice versa. Like, the politics of it is such a fucking laborance for them to navigate. It's crazy.

I'm a man. I don't care what nobody think. I don't care. with my, I don't care with nobody thing. My home boys can not, like, I don't care with nobody's ink, bro. I'm like, I'm going to be my own person no matter what. I got my own mind. Nobody can influence me to not work with nobody.

Like, I swear to God, like, nobody can influence me to do nothing. Nobody, like, it's my career. Yeah. Like, at the end of the day, like, I'm going to do, to be honest. 100%. So, okay, I've been seeing you make a bunch of moves, though, recently. Like, you were on a new OGZ video and shit like that. Gickleek.

Yeah, where's that relationship come from? How long have you been knowing that? I've been knowing O'Jeezy for a minute, a long-ass time. It's been years. I've been talking about a minute since he was fucking with Shirline or now. Right. But, he owns the trademark. Oh, yeah, I see that.

Oh, you on Shoreline? Yeah. He came out there. Actually, he had motherfuckers sent me the song. I was already in Vegas. He's like, I'm going to come to Vegas. He's like, I'm going to come in to Vegas. He's like, I'm going to come in tomorrow.

He was on tour or something. I'm going to come in the mail on the shit. He sent me the song the day before. So I did the song that. I was already into the studio with these things. I did the song and I sent it to him. I didn't even know the lyrics like that. We shot that bitch the next day.

But this, we shot that bitch like a year ago. To be honest, that just came out. I forgot about the song, to be honest. I just be working so much. I really forgot about that shit. But that shit was hard as hell. When I heard it again, it was new to me again, I'm like, oh, this shit hard as hell.

Dave, you record so much that you ever have that experience? All my music would be like, damn, this shit hard. Like, I'd be catching shit. Like, sometimes I'd be like wondering like what I meant on certain shit. Like, damn, is this what I'm like, Is this what I meant? Like, because it'd be new to me

because I don't really listen to my music. Like, I do a song, say if it's a song, like, and I think it's a car. I'm not, oh, this is a hit, this the one. I'm not like that, bro. I'm going to do that bitch and keep it going to the next time. I've had that where I'm going through TikTok and I see a random video that somebody made of me

saying something funny on the podcast that I forgot about and I'm just sitting there laughing at myself. And like, I kind of look over at my girl like, damn, this is embarrassing. For real life. Yeah, man. You do a lot of shit with a Bay Area artists. I love Cali niggas, bro.

I love... To be honest, I feel like when I first started coming to Kelly, I was just so big to them. Like, they always tell me, like, bro, you're so big. Like, you were so... We thought you was from here.

We just never seen you. Like, you were my... Like, you're the first motherfucking Detroit rapper we ever heard. Are you one of the first? I would say, like... I don't... I mean...

To come from Detroit and fuck with the Bayla. I feel like I am, but I don't want to say that because I don't know for sure. One of, I'll say that. Pablo was... Pablo was the first. I want to say, yeah. I feel like when I kind of, they, I feel like the way that they, that they look at me,

I want to, I want to help them. Like, you feel me? So, like, if it's the artist that's, if I like to, if I like their music, I'm not going to wait till the world like it. Like, I'm going to do a song with you. I'm going to write you first. First of all, all these Kelly niggas, I'm going to write them. And I'm going to do a song with them on my platform.

I'm going to, you feel me? I'm going, I just want to see them as well, like, I love, bro. I love helping underdogs win, but, like, one of the, one of the joints, RIP, Lil Yase, Man, that was my nigger, bro. That's my house. Yeah, I would love to hear. I think people would like to hear about, like, your experience fucking with Yates. Because it looked like y'all was on just like an all-nighter in the studio,

bought a bottle of him, just went crazy, you feel me? Yeah. No, how many of Yates had, we had, uh, and they actually sent me a song. Okay. He sent me in some shit, and I was about to come to Cali already and shit. So I had to come to Cali, I was fucked with that thing. And then, we ended up shooting the video or shit. But I think the audio, we already dropped the audio before we shot the video.

Fucking around. Yeah, we had some fun. We got some fun at night and shit. It was right, yeah, that shit fucking me up. I was talking to him about doing an interview way back in the day and we never got it in. Damn. But that was terrible when I heard about that.

Yada. Yeah, you got free Yada, come on, man. To be honest, Yada, Yase, and the boy was the first three Bay Area artists that I, like, was on heavy, like, before the niggas knew, like I was on them nicks heavy and I was pushing. Like, these niggas hard as hell. Y'all go crazy.

Man, dumb, that nigga's like, he, like, he, he, he, he, he's a superstar to me. Like, that nigga's gonna go, man, that nigga really, that nigga. Like, DeLo, when he hit the street, he'll go up. Yeah, man, no cap. But you have a lot with a, Deboi and All Black. I feel like. All Black, like, my brother. Like, I really hang with him.

Like, I really hang with him. Like, I hang with him. Like, that's really, like my, that's my nigga, man. That nigga, man. That nigga, he's telling him here, real nigga. He hard, yeah. And Deboi, that nigga's so cold. Like, man, to be honest, De Bois is like, that nigga like, he like, man, that nigga like,

I don't know the politics out there, but that nigga like the motherfucker face of the Bay Area time. I think he is like the, I feel like the two of y'all, I'm just as a fan, a Du Bois Cash Kid album, that shit. Hey. Hey, what's your, what's your mix of like entertainment? Like, are you mostly throughout your day listening to like new or rap? or do you listen to a lot of, like, older rap

that you maybe liked when you were a much younger guy? Or, like, what is the mix? Like, a lot of people talk about how they listen to R&B or they're listening to, you know, oldies, shit like that. Shit, both. To be honest, if I'm in addition to a car for the people, like, with my homeboy and shit, we probably just listening to, like, just rap.

We ain't going to listen to too much R&B. Unless you can say, oh, really rap is like R&B these days because niggas music music auto-tone and shit. Like, singing and type of shit. The line is blurred. Yeah, so it's like, you feel me, whatever. type of, I don't know what to call that, type of, you feel me? But really, when I'm by myself, everything, man.

I listen to motherfucking R&B gospel, motherfucking hip-hop, bro. I love motherfucking R&B. I listen to singing more than I listen to rap beat. I just love that shit, bro. Like, I love Rihanna. Like I said, I love Adele. A motherfucker fucking love. Damn, what's her name?

Her, I think her name is her. Oh, yeah, yeah. The R&B singer, yeah. She heard. My dude. My niggas Swine, he loved, what's her name, Doug? What's old girl name? Summer Walker, he loves Summer Walker, don't.

So we really, like, I really listen to, like, you feel man, I really listen to her and be like, let's be listening to what they be talking about. They be having, you feel me? Because I'd be trying to get in that bag sometimes. Like I said, Lou Wayne is a big influence to me. He hopped in that rock bag, that every bag. He hopped in every bag.

I'd be trying to, my fans be cussing me up. Nicar stuff, fuck y'all. I'm trying to motherfucking, I'm just having fun with this shit. Is there a part of you that, like, when you're in the studio for six hours recording and shit, that you get out of there and you just do not want to hear a fucking beat that you would actually wrap over or you don't want to hear a rapper that you know or like, do you immediately kind of switch into a different mind state once you got out the studio? You say, I don't want to hear a certain, like, rappers. Do you get bored of hearing, like, after being in the studio, hearing yourself rap, hearing beats for hell of hours, when you leave, are you like, ah, I'm not trying to hear none of that no more. You said, I don't want to hear me. I don't like, like I said, I don't want to hear my own music.

Like, I don't even like listen to my own music. Like, I don't ever want to hear to listen to my own music. Like, you hear me, I don't, like, I list to it once I make it a thousand times, like in the studio, the next day after I make it, probably a day after day after day. Like, I don't want to keep on hearing my music. I play other than, I play other than that, I'm a music, nigger, like, my life is music. Like, I listen to music all day. I always got a hit air potty and listening to some music. I could be hooping or something, and I got an air party and listen to some.

I could be chilling, getting some neck. I'm on YouTube. Let's just some music. Hell yeah. That's real. You know, we got something in common, bro. My birthday, December 18th. I'm a... You December... You're the day before...

You're a Christmas baby, right? Like Christmas Eve, though. Yeah, yeah, you the day before Christmas. So, do you feel like you got fucked over with Christmas presents growing up? I was thinking, yeah. I'm like, I was... Because for me, I just really look forward to that time of year,

Because I know. But you're a week before it. So it's like you can't really expect your parents to go all out and then go all out again a week later. Whereas if your birthday is six months apart from Christmas, you can probably assume you're going to be able to recharge, right? I feel like, shit, basically how they play with me. My parents would show out no matter what.

Like, it's to the point when I was trying, I didn't even know that I was poor. Like, you really have me, like, they, I was happy. You feel me, I was well taken care of it. You feel me? Like, so, you feel me? So, I just get a lot of presents under the tree for Christmas. Then let me open up one on my birthday.

I was cool with that. I was never really, I was never really tripping, bro. I was, I was cool with that, to be honest. I didn't want to. Christmas baby life. Yeah, I was happy. I was just happy to have a lot of presents. I know people that didn't get shit.

I used to get, like, they used to make it look like a lot. It was, you know, me? It was just me and my sister, though, so. I was pretty aware of everybody I knew and how much I felt like they got for Christmas versus me. So that kind of like really let me know like whose parents were bawling out on them like in comparison to me.

Because I felt like my Christmas was kind of dry. Like my parents definitely could have spent more. You got lumps of coal? No, but like they give me like a couple pairs of underwear, like a sweater. I'd be heated. Like a book. I got a fucking.

You know what it's crazy? Bro, I just get like, y'all know what Goodfeller boxes is? No. It's like, it's like a, I want to say it's a... I'm talking Haynes. It's like a box, like a, I took it like a welfare box. for kids for Christmas

but it's just to be my favorite shit to get. Okay. Not that I'm older like, not that I think about it they used like, they used to have like

little Legos in that bitch clothes, play a snack in that bitch. I always like that shit. Lego better than getting fucking underwear. I'm a real bad thing. That's fucked up,

bro, that I think about that shit. You know what I could always count on though is the stocking with like a bunch of candy and some lottery tickets. I never had that shit. Like 10 bucks worth of lottery tickets.

I hadn't matter of the lottery tickets. Keep me entertained for like 15 master. But the candy too, That's what Christmas was all about, eating a bunch of sugar. Yeah, facts. And then going back to school after Christmas vacation with your new shoes on. Yeah, that she used to be lit.

I can't wait. The pressure to wear a new outfit on the first day of school after the summer. You gotta be fly. I forgot all about that until somebody mentioned it the other day. I'm like, man, that was fucking annoying. Until you, unless you see our, it was like that,

I went to the motherfucker, I was born ninth grade and shit. That's like a little, it was a fucked up. I went to our school called Brenna Scott. It was like right next door to our high school, which was I was born. And when I went to high school, when I was going from every grade,

going to high school, they switched it to uniform. So we need, like, in high school, everybody had to wear the same thing. Oh, they did you filthy, yeah. I switched. I went to the other school. I got to get me every pretty dress now. That's real.

They didn't want people to like. That shit means the world to you at that age, you know? Being able to express yourself with your clothes. But some people don't got it, so they'd rather just everybody wear the same thing. Well, in that way, it makes like school a lot more fair, because if everybody has to judge the same way you're all kind of on the same level because kids are not stupid they know who's got

old navy and who got Gucci and kids so fucked up in the uniform they're still that they're still finding a way to motherfuckin talk about you like me you got on french toast i got on dickies and they still find a way this way to do bidschers out yeah i bet they find all kinds of ways to like separate themselves you know that's just that that's human nature you know like if everybody's wearing the same school uniform i bet the racism gets more intense because they have, there's less to go on. Oh, man. And kids are always going to find a way

to divide each other. Period. Really, humanity in general, yeah. That's how it would be. You also had, um, the kid next door. You feel what I mean? I felt like that's kind of like a deep concept

right there. Like, man, to be honest, that's something like, I got some, uh, homeboys I hang with, like daily, my nigga live,

NG, them was like the niggas I grew up with. And I got the same friends. Like, niggas I hang with. Every nigga y'all seen with, this niggas I knew my whole life. Like, I don't hang with, like, it's a knick, like, when I mean my whole life, like,

Sandbox. Yes, like, you feel me, like, them same niggas I'm with, like, every video, every day. Like, you feel me, all, like, you feel me? So that's who, like, really that song started about, like, my naked old day, where it was, you feel, me, that was, you feel me, type of shit, like. You rap about your homies a lot. Like, like, I mentioned the 1185 to a Menden, like, that was a song that turned a lot of us out here on. Yeah.

Like, and, like, that right there, you're talking about, like, If you wasn't with us, don't fuck with us. I'm still with the same homies. Max. It still is, too. And that was years ago. I was like $2.15. We're in 23.

Now I'm still with them same niggas now. No cap. But yeah, them. Give me quickie like I poop. Yeah. Man, for real. That was a little freestyle. Hey, and that's crazy because I hate that song.

You're tripping. I swear to God, bro. I hate it, bro. Man, where was you at on Westphill your buck? I didn't say, for real. Why you don't fuck with that? It's just like, I don't say I hate it. It's just like, I just know I was having so much fun or that bitch.

It's just like, I don't know. Like, maybe if I'm going to listen to it now, I'd probably like it again. Like, you ever make a song when you're real fucked up and then you listen to it later? And you're like, either this is amazing or this is horrible. Every sound. Because like, sometimes like back in the day when I used to do Coke or Molly or whatever, I would think about the conversations the next day and be like mortified. Like, I bet I see.

sounded so fucking... What you mean? Think? Like, you just think like, damn, I said, I did say that. Yeah, I was talking to that random girl in the corner of the bar for two hours. Who knows what's kind of retarded shit I was saying, you know? It's my life.

Yeah, but then you're doing it on a track and you have a recording of it. Like, that's got to be crazy. Man, wake up, like, man, this shit ass is hell. I know the engineer ears was bleeding in that big. But just as often do you listen to it and you're like, damn, I was funny. Like, damn, that lean had me hilarious, bro.

Sometimes you be like, like, oh, this shit hit here, right here. Like, sometimes you be like, yeah, but sometimes I'll be like, I don't even be wanting to switch it sometimes. I was like, man, fuck it. Most of the time, I'll just be like, damn, wow. It's always be new to me the next day. I can't wait to listen to my shit the next day.

Like, you feel, me, studio tests just be like, six, seven in the morning. By the time I wake up, that's the first thing I'd be wanting to do was like, let me hear what I did last, like, you listen to everything, all right, I like this one, all right, I like, I like, this one right, all right, this one right here, this one, Yeah, it'd be like that, though.

Do they all seem pretty good in the moment, like as you record it when you're listening to it at all? Not necessarily, someone will be ass in the moment, but really be good. Like, really be good the next day. Like, someone will be like, man, hell, no, I don't like this shit. The next day you'd be like, this shit kind of straight. But do you always finish it?

Because sometimes I'd be in the studio back in the day listening to rappers, and I'd just be thinking, like, you should just start over. Like, this ain't it. Like, why even bother? You don't have to put a second verse on this. You should be able to tell already this shit sucks. Man, sometimes I do like

Because I record myself Like, you feel? Oh really? Your own engineer. Yeah, I got my own studio and shit So I'll be like, I record myself and shit That's crazy. Yeah, so I really like, I just really

Probably do something like eight bars or something Go to another beat. Sometimes I really try to finish every day But if I just can't or if I just if it's not coming I don't like If I'm recording myself, I don't want to take a odd Like, I don't want to just be in a bitch having fun. But if I got, I got another, I only got one engineer two other than that day.

If I don't record myself, I only got one other person that would really record. But doing your own engineering, does that make it a little bit more stressful or a little bit more like work? Yeah, more work. But I got somebody I sent it to that makes it everything. I'm just laying the vocals down and doing everything how I need to be. But it's easier because, I ain't going to say easier. It's funner because you can do whatever. You get the, you ain't got nobody in the studio that you think.

Like, you get the, you get the confidence. You know. You could just give yourself. You know, that shit's sounding ass. You ain't gonna worry about niggas probably laughing at you and shit because I know some people that think like that when they go to the studio,

like they don't want to do certain shit because they don't know that they got too many people in that bitch with them and they're really trying to impress the people in the studio. No, niggas go to that bitch by yourself. But it's super weird when you see a rapper and they're sort of like commanding this like 40-year-old white guy

to put their fucking shit in the right order and like, you know, but a lot of times I've been amazed. I've been amazed seeing the engineers sometimes because they are moving stuff around so good and it's not like this dude as a rapper or like it doesn't even seem like he fucking listens to this kind of music and he's just killing it dragging that shit around like a really good engineers they're like robots basically like they literally have to be that trying out my engineer and time and that boy your dog he

that's the only dude i fuck with a lot of engineers deal with a lot of abuse from rappers from what i've seen oh man i've seen a part of the job is not standing up for yourself basically right I've had to fire engineers for rappers too and shit, like in the middle of a session, be like, hey, you got a dip fool. And like, I know it ain't right. I know this isn't fair. Yeah, I ain't going to lie, though. That shit's funny as hell, duh.

I remember one time I had this one dude I was fucked with him as an engineer. I brought him around my people and shit. They was fucking him up. So I wasn't even in the studio. I was somewhere else. Like, they was torturing this dude so bad. By the time I'm walking back in the building, this nigga walking out. I'm like, where you going?

Man, fuck that. I'm about to go. I'm like, where are you going? I'm going to catch the bus home. I couldn't believe my, like, I couldn't believe what was going on. I went back up there. They're like, dawd, they was in this bitch. Telling that nigga to like, yeah.

I'm like, oh, my God, they was in that bitch bully in his ass. That nigga left. That n' got the trucking. Poor guy. Fucked up. I might have it coming. Man. Damn.

Okay, so, like, where do you feel like you're at in your career? Like, are you trying to take it more seriously at this point? Like, I kind of feel like you're such like a free will and fun-loving guy that, like, Like you sort of like might go through periods of like inactivity where you're like not pushing as hard as you are at other times. Is that true? Yeah, I just, I really, it's more than just for me now. Like you feel me, like at the end of the day, you feel me? I got a lot of people to feed.

So I'm going to try to push it until I can't push it anymore. You feel me, like, fuck how I feel about it. You feel me? So whatever I need to do to get to the next level, that's what I'm going to do. You feel me? Like it ain't just about telling it's about, it's about, you feel me. You got to network. You got to do what you got to get to the next level.

You got to try to. Yeah, I got one son. How old? He's three. Three. Yeah. I don't need, I don't want to more. I don't think, man.

Really? I don't think so. It is a lot of work. Maybe one. Are you, like, living with him and everything? In one of my houses, you feel in me? I want to another state type shit. Right.

But, yeah, I'd be on the road all the time. I think about that all the time. Like, am I seriously going to fucking have another one of these? Yeah. This is insane. You for sure are. I for sure am, and I'm just a little scared because it's a lot of work. It's going to happen.

You're shooting the club up. Not since the first one. Yeah, man. I don't know. I got to... Maybe. Maybe I don't know. Right.

I don't know. I want a son, though. Really? I don't want no girls. Really? Buy some more straps. Karma going to fuck me up. That's how it feels?

I don't broke too many hearts. I try not to think of it that way. Players curse, you got it. I try to think of it like, oh, you're going to have a very wise sense say of a father who's going to tell you exactly what these motherfuckers are up to. Oh my God. It's not worse than you. My kid is going to grow up. I don't want to say terrified, but let's just say worldly.

She's going to know about all the tricks and tactics that these motherfuckers are trying to employ. Yeah. I think you owe him that. No, for sure. That's God right there. I mean, you've already accomplished a lot, though, too. Like, I mean, you got a joint that you're on with Eminem, you feel me? I brag about that to everybody.

You know? Everybody. And you got the hardest punch on there that Dr. Miami bar, the heart is like... I don't remember my version that bit. Yeah, that... Everybody's person was kind of chopped. They chopped it to make everybody shit because I think... Yeah, I was going to ask you, what was that like?

How did y'all put that together? We was all in the studio together. Everybody was in the... Wow. Everybody... A panel just, a sound panel just fell off the wall. You good, Bell? Bell, you're lucky you survived that.

Okay, I'm sorry. Wait, you were in the studio with Eminem and everybody else during that? Shit. I wish I was in the studio with Eminem. Oh, he was there. Everyone besides Sean and Eminem was in there. Sean was there. Eminem just wasn't there.

Everybody else was in that bitch. That's so Eminem of him. I think everybody was there besides. Royce? Nope, he wasn't there either. Everybody else was in that bitch. Like, it was actually more people probably in that bitch. Everybody in Detroit, it was more people that got on the song

that they probably took off that bitch. It was a lot of motherfuckers there was in that bitch, bro. Like, T. Grisley was there. Everybody was there. I don't think T.R. It was on that song. How did you even think he was on that song? getting hit up to be on that uh say it ain't that's my dog said ain't tone who's he's like an r something

he fucked with big shine heavy okay he's one of his people's and shit he hit me up and shit like yeah we flew i think we flew out here to la got it popping in that bitch we was all in the studio all night we was in there for a couple days we did a lot of songs actually did a couple songs that shit was lit man that shit was that shit was that was legendary just the fact i was in there with big shine too that boy a legend too so i was i was just living in the mom man i was just you feel me I know rappers was hot, they didn't make it on that joint, too. I would have been, too. Yeah, hell yeah, that's Eminem.

I seen a few interviews, so people are not happy about not being on that songs. When I walked through that, you were rapper like, yeah, I got songs with Eminem. That's the only person who I named my brain up. Eminem. Yeah. My homeboy in jail called me. He'd been locked up for like 10 years or shit. He, like, he couldn't believe it.

I ain't talked to this in the, I don't even know how he got my number. Like, he called me. I'm in the motherfucking. I'm in the motherfucking line. My phone keeps blowing up. I'm like, what the fuck? Hello? I hear my dude.

and shit. Shout out Jay Willie. He's like, you like, you on a song with Eminem? What the fuck? He's a white boy. He's like, what the fuck, nither? I can't believe this shit. I mean, this bitch going crazy. I'm like, God. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you see me my baby? Like, bro, I can't believe it, bro. I'm like, man, yeah, yeah. That is the kind of thing that like, even someone who doesn't know anything about rap would understand. I can tell my parents you got a song with Eminem and him. Yeah. For real, though. They're gonna trip. Man, Eminem was that boy from these, man.

Eminem, bro, I can't believe. I still can't believe it right now. Eminem. That's crazy. And that's dope that he like, you know, Sean put that together and he hopped on a record with all of it. Because there's been a, you ain't really seen, like, a lot of the OG legends from Detroit, I didn't see M do records with him.

And I was like, damn, I wish that could have been a thing. But now seeing y'all, whole generation getting that co-signed, that's dope. That shit, man. That shit meant the world to me. I ain't go lie. I couldn't believe it, bro. I was a little guy. I appreciated that.

That shit was lit as hell. That's one of the best things in my career. I ain't gonna love that shit. I appreciate Sean for that shit. I appreciate it any time. I appreciate everybody that made that shit happy. I don't know. So, okay, where do you feel like you're at

in terms of your career right now and everything? Like, what do you want to accomplish before you're done in this game? I'm just trying to really just help get my, help more motherfuckers around me. You feel me? Do this music shit, bro. I open up a,

adorable motherfuckers and I and this shit, like, I really want this shit to be like a family thing like forever. Like I want to, anybody around me can eat off this shit. I want to help everybody I can with this shit. This shit, I mean, I'm happy no matter what with this shit. Like, you feel me? I want my motherfuckers to go farther to me. Motherfuckers, like, I know certain shit that can help them get to the next level now.

Like, they wouldn't know. I know ends and out. And I got relationships that can help a motherfucker. Even if it, even if it, even if it ain't me, I know I could spark, like, somebody that could really be that person. I might not be that person. And I can accept that. Like, I can be, I got,

I know I got a doe that can help that person, though. I'm cool with that. Don't sell yourself short, though, bro. I'm not, I'm working hard. Trust me, bro. I'm, I'm, I'm gonna go as far as it can, but whatever happens, bro, I'm happy with it. I swear, I'm happy with it, bro.

As long as I get to spark the next mind. I know I sparked a couple of minds out here that, that's great. That's a Tupac philosophy right there. Yep. Thanks. I feel like so lucky to have done this interview, because I feel like I've interviewed

not that many people who seem like such obviously good people as you. No offense to every single other person I ever interviewed or anything. But, like, you know, you just like ooze nice guy energy, like somebody that people really want to support.

So given that you haven't really done an interview before, that's pretty amazing. I appreciate that cover from you. I wouldn't know, like, other people perception of me. Like, you feel me? Because the motherfuckers probably think when people meet me, they don't think I'm a good guy.

They think I'm a person. I feel like I can't. I feel like the comment section is going to be all people saying I want to see this guy win. Yeah, no, for sure. I don't like that, though. I need more haters. I'm not doing good enough. I need, like, I need more people like this nigga ass, man, something.

Like, I need more haters, bro. I knew for show, because I even told that him, I was like, he probably going to be talkative. I knew he's going to be talkingative. But I didn't know you was going to be hella cool. Because, like, you could see the personality from the music, but you also be talking hell of shit in the music. So I was like, this dude might be kind of an asshole. No, hell no, yeah.

But now, you cool as hell, man. Motherfuckers, I'd really be bitches. They'd be thinking on being and saying, like, you're mean as hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that. And really, I ain't a lot. I probably, not actually, I used to be mean, but I just never was like, never gave a fuck about talking to people or meeting no friends. Right.

Like, you feel me? I was just so focus on my people. Like, you feel me? Like, you feel me? So once I realized that, like, I'm a, I'm somebody's just people now. I really, I had to teach myself to be like, to be, like, more welcome and more nice because I really didn't never care to talk to people.

Like, ah, motherfucker. I was that asshole-ass kid that grimmer me every nigga. Like, I wanted some shit. Like, I was the shit-starter type of nigga. Now, I don't want no problems with these niggas. I just, you know, me, I'm straight. You hear me? I'm straight, man.

You know, I think I'm a bitch. Whatever. You know, I love me so much. I got so much pride. I don't care what people's angry. Like, you see me, I'm the type of nigga that I go talk to a nigga about a problem. I'm like, bro, we ain't got to do all that, my nigga.

Like, you hear me? I'm that type of nigga, bro. Yeah, that's some adult shit right there. I thought that was the first time I heard anybody ever say that. That's the most, the niggins followers. That's the most really soft. Grown shit I've heard on no jumper in my life. I respect the fuck out of that, yeah.

What the fuck? That's for real. I need more of that energy. See, here are more people acknowledge that. Yeah, like, we could talk about shit. We don't got to get into it like that. I don't want to die. That's real, too.

Hey, so give your fans some sneak peek or what you got to come. Like, what's next on the line? line up before we get out of here okay uh i'm gonna drop that baby kid three on the 31st what month we're in right march march march march 31st maybe kid three the month all right end of the month and i didn't even drop the date that's my first time saying i don't know when it's going to be released or not but march 31st that's the date let's go let's go can't wait get it man appreciate you do i can't wait to hear i can't wait for my fans to hear me i love that i love that

they've been rocked with me for this long because music motherfuckers switch up on your way as fast as You've heard me? Yeah, that's real. Keep your foot on their necks, motherfucking Detroit Punchline King. I appreciate you, my nigga. I appreciate you for fucking with you, my name. Off top. I'm top.

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