No Jumper - Cherie Deville On Howard Stern, Brazzers, Women Cheating and More!

Episode Date: May 27, 2023

Cherie Deville is back to talk about her latest adventures, AVN awards, Howard Stern, the industry being volatile, and more. ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Sharp Tank. No jumper. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. Yes, sir. And today, I have one of my, I consider her friend. Yes. I consider her one of my friends. I have Sheree DeVille in the building, ladies and gentlemen.

She actually, and this woman, I've actually got the chance to interview before. And, like, I knew about you then, but I feel like I know. so much more about you now to be able to sit down with you because I've actually followed the story. I'm like oh shit, she really was who she said she was. But you did your research before that first one too. I was impressed. I did but I feel like

now there's so much more and there's so much more to you now. You know what I mean? Like me seeing all the awards and things like that. You know? For the viewers that know, but for the ones that don't know she is America's stepmom of porn. To me, you are number one.

Oh, thank you. I don't think there's anybody that's fucking with you. And I'm going to be honest before we get into it. I'm like, I talk to a lot of, you know, porn stuff. Sure, yeah, you do. Women that are in the porn industry. And, you know, I always fucking find a way you always come up in conversation. That's because I've been in porn forever.

They're like, I know this one girl, she's been in forever. It's Cherie. But you've, I feel like your content and the way that you push is still so new. You know what I'm always trying something different, you know, because I don't want to bore myself either. Like if I'm bored, the fans are going to be bored. So I want to be excited about the content I put out.

I want to like feel inspired and have fun and like see what all the people are doing and get ideas, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's cool because, yeah, there's never really adult. moment with Cherie.

Like even, you know, I watch a lot of your IG movements and posts and just some of the shit that you're into. I mean, you have tasteful pictures. You'll be the pictures. But it's the goofy shit. I'm a shameless nerd. Listen, so in junior high school, I did cheerleading. And then once I hit high school, you had to choose.

You could either be a cheerleader or you could be in the marching band. You couldn't do both at once. And I chose the marching band, and I don't regret it for one second. But, like, that is the level. of nerd that I was. Well, there, yes,

sir. Playing trumpets then, playing on trumpets now. Well, it was the flute, and it does, you know what I mean? Like,

like you get that tongue work, it trained me. I didn't realize how well the flute was training me for my future career. Wow. But let me tell you something

about flute articulation and tongue movement. Yeah, flautists. A plus for oral sex in my humble opinion. A plus. When you started playing for what, like ninth grade?

Was that when you probably high school? Well, you know, I played like the recorder in fifth grade. I think I was playing the flute by, I don't know, 12, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you'd go to band class. Exactly. Yeah, I wonder what you were doing. Were you in the band?

I actually was in the band. Oh, would you play? I played the French horn. That's a fucking awesome instrument. I was good at it, but I left it alone. Did you? Yeah, just. Could you play at all now?

I haven't played in years. Oh, man, that's such a cool instrument. I probably couldn't hold a note on it now. I bet you could. I'd better be like riding a bike. Shit, we're going to have to get together and do one of your silly-ass videos. And do like, today, Sharp plays the French horn. We'll do a duet, the first flute French horn duet in history.

That shit would go viral for absolutely. We play like Mary had a little lamb in the nude or something. I don't know. I don't know. Do you know how viral that shit would go for absolutely nothing? I'm here for nothing. Here. We could do a little marching routine all nerdy. Fuck, man.

I'm here for it. You, hey, I have to speak on it. You were just recently at AVM. Sure was. Tried to catch up with you. It's obviously my fault. Someone didn't text me back. I'm not going to say who.

Hey, all right. Teasing you. Let's go ahead. Let's unpack. I hit you up first. I initiated. So I was the initiator. I hit her up first.

And I think she hit me back like a day. later because shit's cracking in Vegas. It's hard to check the phone. Shit's going on. But then you'd hit me back and you were like, yeah, where are you? Yeah, where are you? I didn't even fucking see it.

I got caught in the mix. But I'll tell you this, it was a beautiful week. It was a beautiful week. Well, Vegas is already like over stimulating. Then you add like every pornographer and content creator and director and pot. Like, it is fun. It was.

It was definitely experience. It was definitely an experience. What was your experience like this last Avian? Well, I got spoiled so hard at this last Avian because I'm one of the Brasers contract girls now. Tell us a little bit about it. And they do. Brasers is. I thought you did with Brasers.

I have, but this is my first, like, big Avian signing for them. Right. Like, VIP to everything. First into all the parties. Really good seats at the award show. Like, they really hooked us up. And it felt like I finally really felt like a princess. You know what I mean?

It was really, really nice. You enjoyed yourself. Yeah, I enjoyed too much. I probably slept like eight hours the whole week, like total. Wow. Yeah, because you know they have you up early in hair and makeup. You're signing all day. Maybe you take a nap or maybe you shoot some content.

Right. And then you've got to go to the parties that night. Otherwise, why are you there? Right. Rinse and repeat, you know? I'll tell you this. And why I believe you is because it seems like, because my experience there, I think this was my second, this was my second AVN.

Yeah. So, you know, I find the experience, it's more fun than the awards. Like, you just got to go around. There's so much stuff going on at the time. It's not just, the awards are cool. Don't get it messed up. The awards are nice. They're nice.

Gets to honor people like yourself. Oh, and Shenzia? She's like one of my, do you know that, did you know that artist Shenzia before the award show performance? You know, I didn't. Did she perform at the all-white party? No, she didn't. She was on stage at the Avien and she, I love her music, but she didn't even sing my

favorite song of hers, which is blessed. I mean, she's just this amazing Jamaican artist. Did you just scream it out? Free bird! No, I don't feel like that's the move. I don't feel like that's it. Like, she's the artist.

She can do whatever she wants. She doesn't need me being like, you know what I want. Like nobody cares. Sit down. Like I said, I think that it was, the awards are fine. The awards are dope, you know. But I think it was more of the parties

and just everybody kind of coming together. Like, I didn't even, I was supposed to go to some all white party, I didn't even make it because I just got stopped at the bar. Fine. And everybody's there. Honestly, the all white party, it's always good, but it was probably my least favorite party of the party. So, like, you didn't miss the best one.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt like I didn't. I mean, because I like all white. I wear a lot of whites. You still got to wear your outfit. I'm sure you still got to look amazing. Look damn good.

See? Done. Damn good. You did it. You did it. You wore that outfit and you look good doing it. Everyone thought you went to the white party. They're like that man.

just came from the white party. Man, and they can smell me walking through that motherfucker. Smells like money and success and no shame. And weed. And dro like a motherfucker, don't you know? What's been going on? Talk to me. I'm curious.

Because I've been watching and I'll be honest with you. I said, this woman, you and your fucking friends. Y'all spend money on the dumbest shit. We do. And I'm being real. I'm like, this girl got so much money. Don't even know what the fucking. fuck to do with you? Do you want to know the dumbest thing I bought? It's not even, okay, so I did,

you're a chronic Amazon shopper. I ain't, well, and everything. Just internet. Just give me the whole internet. So, you know, you might not, but you know the Dungeons and Dragons movie came out recently? Yeah. So I also play Dungeons and Dragons in my real life. So I went to the Renfair recently and shopped. I definitely spent at least a thousand dollars, probably more than a thousand which is obscene. Purchasing what in my mind would be the replica of my current clerics outfit and then I shot a porn in it. So that shit's a write-off, my friend.

Talking shit. That is a right off. I bought a staff. It has crystals on it. I went full nerd. I saw you dress all the way the fuck up in it. Times ten. I think the craziest shit.

I'm going to, this is probably going to rank in your top three. Oh, I can't wait. The dumbest shit I saw you buy was the RDD-2. fucking the giant-ass Lego thing. I love that thing. I have, that is not even the only, he's like halfway together, but I have an X-wing that's put together.

I have a Bowser that's put together. I have a venom that's put together. Just, yeah, why? I don't know. Why not? But you know what? You know what I did to get that as a write-off? I did my fucking Instagram Live. So I started building that thing on Instagram Live.

Proof in the pudding. Now that's a right-off. right off too. Proof in the pudding because you actually recorded yourself because I recorded myself utilizing it as a prop for work

yes sir. Yes sir. Look I would rather like buy stupid shit. Look, you got you got to give X amount of money to Uncle Sam every year. Right?

So you can choose to buy some shit for your business right? Make money. Make amazing content. Dress up all your friends as Power Rangers and do a gang bang. You could do that. You could do that.

Or you could give it to Uncle Sam. And I'm going to do... Have you done that? Yes, I'm going to do that Power Ranger Gang Bang every time before I give that money to Uncle Sam. Every time I'm going to choose a Power Ranger gang bang. You did make sense with that when I asked you earlier because you were like...

And not even the Power Ranger gang bang. You definitely... You made sense when you were like, you know, it's all write-offs. You were like, I'm just trying to like... You were like, I'd rather me spend it on myself and they know I spent it on myself and this is legal, what you're doing. Because if you're broke, yeah,

you probably shouldn't be buying everyone you know, an authentic. Right, right. Life size. At like your income, you got a tax bill. Yeah. And so you could buy amazing mics,

stuff for the studio, the rent for the studio, that's a write-off and have this amazing space the way you want it. For sure. Or you could give it to the fucking government. Who wants to do that?

Nah. You know, you're probably one of the only, You know what's so crazy is because you're probably one of the only people that can probably sit here and firmly say that and not get audited. I'm like, I don't even fuck around. Hey, I can't pay, hey, screw the government. Hey, I'd rather not, I'm going to spend my money on me and not give it to you. My lightsaber's Uncle Sam.

You know what's so cold. I don't think Uncle Sam, I mind you spending a couple bucks. Yeah, especially if you don't put it in your butt, right? Uncle Sam loves it if you put it in your butt Then it's really I wish I could get off some of the shit that you'd be said Because they would scorn me You'd be over

It would be over They'd be like audit times three No Jumper podcast Hey dumbest shit you bought this year The dumbest shit I bought Last year was crazy RDD2 this year I feel like he was That was insane

I have Okay do you know what like a Therogun is You know those therapy massagers Yeah, yeah, the one they fucking... Yeah, br-hmm. Okay, okay. So a friend of mine and they're really expensive, but again, right off.

How much do you cost? I think this with the dildo attachment and other attachments was like at least $500. But let me tell you something. Can you imagine? I have a video of it. A fair gun. You know how hard those go. They have settings, though.

Yes. I took that at a setting four. Four out of four. four to four. I'm sure your fans just eating this up. I was like, I was like crying and squirting and crying again and then I took a nap

and it's a right off. It's got to be fucking crazy and that's even more insane. It's got to be crazy because you are a very emotional woman. If I should say so myself. You're a crying when you get fucked. Yeah, I love it.

It just brings up all the feels. What was it that I believe? Shout out to Howard Stern by the way. Shout out to the Stern man. Howard, yeah, Howard Stern, and I believe he had spoke on you. He did. And I didn't even listen to it live, but all my friends the next morning are like, oh, I heard you.

You know, Howard Stern was talking about you. Howard Stern was talking about you. So he was talking about how much he liked my Avian acceptance speech, where I basically thanked the audience. I was like, thank you to all the stepsons and stepdaughters who let me suck their dicks and eat their pussies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, but like, come on, this is a porn awards. What do you think I'm getting this award for?

Sucking dick and eating pussy. Like, let's not mince our words, right? I feel it. I feel it. I feel it. So he said, and again, it's not even a compliment, but I take it as a compliment. Most people will probably be pissed. He goes, he goes, Shredaville is the Merrill Streep of Incest.

Burn. Yeah, I love it. It's not a compliment, but you know what, you know what Mr. Stern? took that as a compliment because that made my heart happen. Listen, though. He don't know who he was talking about though. Listen, though. I'm like, thank you.

Merrill, first of all, is a goddess amongst women and I have done my fair of foest. So like, you know, well, you know the step, focette, like obviously no one's having sex with anyone they're related to, but it's just such a popular in the world? Not in the world, but do you think it's happened? Is there been any porn that's ever been put out that's actually been? family member Not by a professional company But Lord knows what people are putting on the internet

You know what I mean? Who the fuck knows? I mean, I feel like you're like my porn encyclopedia So I ask you like Do you think that shit's out? I mean, I think everything's out Look, like There's the craziest shit I mean you can see someone

On Reddit, which I didn't even know It was legal. They have a whole not safe for life category Yeah. of people dying. So like, if that grotesque shit can get on the internet, I guess anything can. I mean, they used to have something like that

back in the day, I believe it used to be called. Donnie, if you can quote me, um, faces a death. Yeah. Do you remember that? I do remember that, yeah. And that shit was insane. And they say it was real.

Yeah. So, I mean, you literally see people like getting lined up against a wall and shy all types. Fucking hell, yeah. But again, like you see that in movies too. So like, could it have been fake? You fucking pray. But, like, that was real.

There was like seven, eight episodes, and they were like VHS. This is back VHS days. VH, what? You know, I would have assumed that it was in the internet days because I feel like the internet's the Wild West, so that was VHS. It was definitely AOL times. AOL. For sure.

We all heard that. We're like, let me have some tities. I can't wait for this modem to dial up. It's going to take 10 minutes and I'm going to sit here. You know, did you have you been doing porn? as long as VHS porn was being made? Were you a part of that era? So I've been doing it for 12 years

and it was definitively DVD then, but you know, like the middle of the country is so behind, they probably still put it on via, you know what I mean? Like at the end, you know? Like when somebody said they've been in it in 12 years, you got to kind of treat it like dog years. If they're 12, they're really 24. No, really.

It's like you've got to double it up. Because porn years are like dog years. I think it's like time seven for a dog. I've been doing this for 95 years, basically. It's got to be at least times two, right, for a human in porn. Yeah, because especially for now, male performers often have, like Johnny Sins, how long has he been doing it? Kieran Lee, Manuel, Tony Rebus, you know, some of these guys have been doing it for decades. But other than, like, Nina Hartley, Julia Ann, there aren't that many women who have been doing it for decades and decades.

I don't know why. It's crazy. I love it. I love it, like the men love it, I guess. I'm just like still here What do you think about I mean I guess it's been It's so far out the game

It would just be dope to see somebody like Sell actual Like sell actual units like VHS or DVD Like it used to be I have a pile of DVDs in my garage From back in the day that I don't really know what to do with Yeah it's crazy right how it's changed I mean unless you have like a PlayStation who can even play a DVD

anymore. Unless you got like a real DVD player for the Blu-ray. Yeah, you went to a pawn shop, you found it, it may or may not work. That's about where it's going to be. You know what I mean? That's about where it's going to be. It's just crazy to watch just the transition overall of how you put out content or even film or anything of that nature,

your recordings of your voice of rapping, music, whatever. Everything's went so digital, man. Fast and then now, AI. Yeah, you know that shit's been moving. That's going to come into my job. There's a whole platform. So there's a whole platform I'm thinking of joining up with called J-O-I City. And basically it's a metaverse, right?

I was just talking to one of my friends about that today. It's crazy. Isn't it? They'd scan you. My homegirl, Riley Rabbit, shout out to her. I was talking to her today. And she was asking me like, hey, do you have an entertainment lawyer that can read this contract for me? And it was a contract stating of her to come down.

they wanted to come down, I guess, to L.A. And do the AI. Yes. But she was like, they sound like they want my IGs. Like they want everything. Like they want to claim everything. She was like, I don't really understand language. Always have an entertainment lawyer read it.

And pretty much they're going to put these AIs in brothels and in places like this. That's right. You know, and it's like, where does that really leave? Because it's virtual, right? It's all virtual. So it's like, where does that really leave the genuine overall real experience of actually engaging with somebody like a Sheree DeVille? You know what I'm saying? Like if they like I want to go meet her.

You know what I'm saying? I want to see her. I want to feel that presence. Like in real life, not in. That's such, I'm old. I'm Gen X, right? So I like person to person. I'm not even a big textor.

I'll do a phone call. I'm one of those crazy people. But you have to understand there's a whole new group of people. That's not crazy. You're real and you came from that air where, hey, you want to say something? Let's hang out. Do we have a problem? We're not going to ghost each other.

I'm going to talk to you about it. Even if you get mad at me, I'm comfortable with that. You know what I mean? But there's a whole new generation of people coming up who are more comfortable on their screens. So I think, you know, despite what I feel about it, I think the Metaverse or AI or, you know, owning, that's what I would tell your friend. if she's going to let herself be scanned, you know, in any way, she needs to make sure that any contract she signs leaves her with the rights to her digital self, leaves her with the rights to her voice, all those other things that they might try and take away. Because if you go and you

get scanned and you just own that one piece of content and you didn't read the fine print, and now they have access to a digitized version of you that they can reproduce and, heaven forbid use your voice, you're done. Because we're at the cusp right now. Like, you would be able to own you, a digitized podcast, or you could, you know, have guests from around the world that were also their avatars. But if you signed a contract that signed away your likeness in that space, you'd be

fucked. So like, you got to break it down like that. Because this is all brand new. And you know these first companies are going to want that, right? And they're going to get it from some. They're going to get some slimy slime in that contract. unless you are a fucking lawyer, which I am not, I would pay, look, it's worth a couple thousand dollars

to maintain your brand because what if all our brands are digital in the future? And you don't even fucking own that? I mean, I'm going to be real, Cherie. It seems like it's coming. I think it's coming. It's on its way. You know, and it's like this.

I just don't want it to hurt what you and others have built throughout this time. I wanted to enhance it. Yeah. You know, I want, I want, like, the best case scenario where I can do my own stuff in real life and I can run and manage, we'll just call it my avatar, in a digital space the way that I want to, you know, and keep the money so that, like, even when I'm 80, she can be taking three dicks in her ass when I'm too old to do that. You know what I mean? Do you know what I mean?

I mean, by the time, it's on this way. It might be, it might instead of, like, everyone's so worried that it's going to ruin everything. But what if it created more longevity? Like, who knows? You know, maybe it'll be good. Maybe you'll be able to, you know, even if you're like 95 and you couldn't get here to the studio, maybe you'll be able to do these from your home, from your bed, and have your like, spunky, lively avatar there because your brain is what they need.

They need your brain, you know? And I think that you're hitting home with that because I'm like, it's, I just think. feel like the early stages of AI and then bring this, like you said, almost like an avatar, you know, where they're bringing this to life. I just don't want to see it take away from the actual person itself. Or like, you know, where they own you.

What if there's something in that contract? We're like, we don't just own your avatar. We own you, your person, how you move, what you do. Well, especially if the future of entertainment is digital, if they only own that, that might be kind of everything. So like I would say now that it's starting to cross over into like adult and entertainment spears, read those contracts with a fine-tooth comb.

And if you have to add a paragraph for clarity, because no one knows what this space will turn into. Add it. Protect yourself. Because I think you're absolutely correct in that a lot of people, performers, entertainers, whoever, are going to sign contracts that seem good in 2023 without acknowledging technology. is going to continue getting bigger, wild, or crazier, and might end up signing away future rights for shit they didn't even know it exists.

So, like, be careful. Do you feel like a person like Sheree DeVille, the brand? You know what I'm saying? It's prepared and ready to take this transition. Hopefully my lawyer is. I can't read those contracts for shit. No, not even the contract. Brandon, help me.

Not even the contract. Oh, in general. You happen to deal with that and take that transition. You know, it's going to be different. It is going to be different. And I don't know about your space, but the adult space is constantly changing. So even though I would prefer to just wake up, do the same thing every day, go to bed, I love being a creature of habit, that's not realistic in the adult space. Even in the 12 years that I've been in, every two to three years, everything seems to implode, then you figure yourself out

and you do something new. So it feels like every few years, if you're going to survive, you're going to have to seriously transition. So even though I'm not like, yay, let's learn something new, basically like going back to college. You got to do it. But don't we all say, Cherie, like,

don't fix it if it ain't broke. Right. You know what I'm saying? But you also can't fall behind. Just because my, like, current workflow isn't broken. It's doing great. I don't, I mean, I may be old,

but I don't want to be behind the time. But you always come up with new things. And like you said, You were like, well, Sharp, why I stay going is because I come up with new things to give my fans. Yeah. It's almost like you gift them things. You're saying like, here, got something new going on for us instead of just the same all-spill.

Same tired stuff over and over and over and over. That's got to be tiring for you. Honestly, it's inspiring because I think I would get bored too. That's why I said it would be. Yeah, it would be. I'd be like, I'd be like, I can't. It would be. Because I know you, you doing content and I've learned you,

You look for the excitement through it. You know what I'm saying? It's got to be exciting or you're not into it. I want joy. You know what I mean? You want to cry. You want to get nailed to the fucking wall. I know.

I know her, bro. You know. I know. You know. Yes. Yes, sir. She wants to feel that shit. That would be a shame if like my world were totally digital and I didn't get to get fucked

anymore. That's what, listen, listen. And that's why I bring it up to you. That's why I felt like you didn't thoroughly answer when I was like. I didn't. You just got me there. You just got me there. Are you prepared for that?

Because now you're just going to be doing content for the AI. You're just going to be up in there getting scanned and doing different fucking different moves and different shit for them to put on there. You're not even going to be a part of anything, really. I wonder, I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know anything about the technology. I wonder if you could like, like say you invite another human in. You have sex on the green screen or with whatever scanning thing they have.

And then you can create the background or where you are. I wonder if I, you're right, though, it would be really, really sad if it took away. Not that I can't have sex in my private life and I do, but there's something really fun about like the role play level of on-camera sex. Right. Like you don't even like, you don't necessarily know the person that well. You know, there's all these levels of intrigue, at least for me. I think it's once they, and this, it's kind of sad for the performer that does actually like to be a part of the content is once they. is once they scan you,

they'll make your body do whatever. It's like you don't even have to go in there anymore. Like once they scan you and, hey, you just sit in on your pay. Now you're just riding that virtual car. Which is cool. Sad at home with no dick.

Which is cool, but I feel like some performers are people that, you know, do porn, especially for a woman. And this is my personal opinion. I feel like a lot, but some of them,

they like the attention. Yeah. They like the attention it brings. They like to feel loved. They like to feel wanted. Well, I love people. Like, I'm even just being here in this room with humans brings me energized. Like, I'm energized.

I feel joyful. Like, I just. You say that like you're an alien. I know, right? Like, I like to be in a room with humans. Humans make me happy. Dude, it's fucking awesome. Like, people's energy is food to me.

Yeah. And sexual energies on another level. So I'm not meant to be, I don't honestly think any people are meant to be isolated the way a lot of people are isolated today. I don't think it's healthy. Labarate some. Talk about it. Well, just like think about like most mammals have communities. We get like even if you're just thinking science. Like during this conversation, our brains are feeding us dopamine.

They're feeding us happiness. Because as human animals, we need to want to be together because that's how we. make more people. That's how we build communities to survive. That's how we fight off predators. So if our like brain chemistry didn't make us love being with people, we would not have made it as a species. So you're taking this species who needs dopamine. And instead of giving them dopamine through human interaction, which is my jam, they get dopamine through like likes on Instagram and like other stuff with their cell phone. And like while you might technically be provided with dopamine, like that's not how it was meant to be.

For me, that's not fulfilling at all. You know? You said it's not a life worth fucking living at all. Not to me. If I were just stuck in a room with some devices, even if I was connected to other people with those devices. You don't seem like that type of person, Sheree. I would be honest, from a year

ago, I would melt. You'd fucking die. I would melt away. Like, being in the porn industry for you, and you couldn't have interaction and they say, hey, well, your AI is going to take over. I don't even know where the fuck would they leave you? I'd need some mental health counseling. I'd be depressed.

Honestly, I really think I would. I believe, no jokes, no laughing, I believe it. I need, I'm a person who really needs other people. Yeah, and not just for like, everyone loves validation, everyone loves positive reinforcement. I just, I just need them to exist. You know, I need to talk to people and to touch people and to like listen to people and hear their stories.

It's just, yeah, it's everything for me. That's interesting that you say that because you're like, I don't care about the how they, I just want to be around. I just want to, you want to feel the vibe. It feels good, yeah. You don't have too many people that walk around that's just like, hey, you know, I get off on the energy people put out around me. You know, you don't really hear that too much.

You know, you can feel it, right? Yeah. You can feel the war in this room even right now. Yeah. Who have you been shooting with lately? Who's been like some of your favorite people to do work with lately? I met a new performer that's really, really good. Brand new guy, content creator.

His name is so funny. His stage name is Max Fills, but it's always Max Fills your mother or something. He's like this young one that loves a cougar. And I love a guy that loves a cougar. And I love that you were going to, but I was thinking more of companies you've been working with. Brassers, that's it.

I'm contracted. They're my one and only. You've been getting awards from fucking everybody. Yeah. The fuck. The fuck. Brasers have given me good scenes.

They've been giving me award-winning scenes. Yeah. Yep. So you've been doing pretty good with them. How long have you been in, how long is your contract with them? Like you sign a lifetime joint? I wish.

I would. I would. I would. I would. But no, they renew my contract every six months. So I got a hustle. Yeah. Gotta keep on my hustle.

Yeah. And see, I think that's what kind of probably That's what keeps you hungry, right? It's like, they're not dumb. They're not dumb. Yeah. She's like, I can't just keep putting out the same content. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be, it's accepted, but for how long, right?

Yeah. And then, of course, I have my own content on my only fans and all my little sites. And I get, that's where I get to do. That's where I get to buy all my little props. That shit's crazy. Like, you be buying staffs and fucking. I'm like, what's she going to dress some next scene of the warrior princess?

I would. I would. Man, like fucking the role play. And what's crazy about it is you do it all by yourself. Or maybe one of your home girls, she'll pop up. I see you do a lot of work with one other chick. Like, you guys hang out a lot. Alexis Fox, Danny Daniels.

I do so much content with both of those ladies. There was one girl that you did, you've done a ton with, like just on your Instagram, you guys be playing around. Danny Daniels. You guys gift each other shit. Yes, it's Danny Daniels. Yeah, she's my best friend. Shout out to Danny Daniels, man.

She's my best friend. She should have brought her ass. She's all the way in stupid Florida. Florida. Hey, you got to bring her next to the fucking haze her on the show. I know. She'll haze you right back. She has a mouth on her.

Do you want to hear a story about Danny Daniels? Talk to me. So I'm a big wimp. She's a badass. Okay. So I'm brand new to porn, right? And since I didn't have anywhere to stay in L.A. And I wasn't living in L.A.

I was living in Nashville. A lot of agencies, including mine, have a model house, right? So great. So I'm there. I got my little bedroom. I'm in the model. model house and Danny Daniels is also in the model house at this time and we're already like getting on great The two other girls in the model house however and I don't even know who these women are. They're not in porn anymore

Are getting in this huge fucking fight and they end up hitting each other like physically getting in a fist fight punching each other So I'm like this like girl from Nashville going what the fuck if I gotten myself into these two bitches are fighting so I in trusory fashion, hide behind the kitchen island. I'm like absolutely. Like a dead hole. Let me stand out of kitchen. I just hide like literally. Baby, I'm hiding.

Danny Daniels comes bursting out of her bedroom, separates these two bitches, gets my agent. She's got my agent on the phone on her ear. She's holding the two women apart. Sandra, you got her get over here. They're fighting. And I'm like, good job. From behind the island.

And then I'm like, this girl. It's going to be my best friend. Well, now that that's your friend and your best friend, you can't allow that shit to happen anymore. If she's in the mix of some shit, you need to be right there with her like, hey, oh, my God. You know? Step the fuck up. I should.

I'm such a baby. Stop being that way. I'm a baby. I'm not letting you do that no. You help me. Give me lessons. I'm going to tell you this. Give me help.

I really want to do something, Shereen. I want to know. I want to hear your opinion because you are one of my people. I will. Like, you're one of my people. I was thinking about doing something like a Sharp's boot camp. I need it. I need like some self-defense lessons

other than hide behind the kitchen counter. That's not the move. Well, I'll tell you this. I feel like the strongest thing on you is your mind. So if you can move your mind in the right direction, you can always, it's the strongest thing with you. I don't want someone to hit this moneymaker. I know, baby.

I know. I fucking know it. Women are fierce when they fight. They're fierce. That's what I like about you. You know what the fuck sells. like, no, probably can't do that. I'm not trying to get punched in the face. Some of these chicks are crazy, though.

They don't mind, like, being fucked up and thinking that they can go, like, you sell your beauty. You know what I'm saying? You sell your beauty, so you've got to keep your body together. You can't be having a scene for browsers at 10 o'clock in the morning, and you just got a fucking black eye

from the night before. That's absurd. It's not going to, that's absurd. I don't think I've ever seen anybody, Donnie, I hear you back there, Chuck. That's absurd. I don't think I've ever seen like a porn or I'd be like, damn, what happened to that bitch?

Yeah, unless it was drawn on. Yeah. I mean, I know there's role play. Yeah, they would cancel you. I'd be like,

I don't think you're going to make it too far fighting in the porn industry because everybody over there in the porn game is, you guys are very peculiar people. So it's a little weird. We are. We are. We are.

We are. It's a weird mixture. Yeah. And it's not about fighting to you guys. You guys. We're lovers. We're not fighters. I'm going to get a scene with this person.

I'm going to get a scene with this person. I know you've been one once. I'm going to fuck him first. Oh, God. You fuck him first. I'll fuck him first. I'll fuck him second. As long as I get that dick, let's just chill.

Let's just take a deep breath, ladies. We're all going to get the dick. Will you please tell him you're not a Netflix and chill? You're a dick and chill. Yeah, dick and chill. Or pussy. I'm equal opportunity. I'm equal opportunity.

I probably, well, if it weren't for porn, I'd say I'd been with way more women than men, but now I think the tables have turned. Now I've lost count. Would you consider yourself, is that what you would call a pansexual? Is that what that is? Like, you just, do you have any?

Yeah, so like when I was really young, I thought these, the words have changed since I was young. So when I was really young, I thought I was bisexual, right? Right, right. And then someone told me that because I do enjoy dating and having sex with trans people that I was pansexual. Whoa. So I was like, that's cool. You took a little bit of lady dick in the mix. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. Yeah, again, equal opportunity. Equal opportunity. And then somebody told me, and I'm not sure this is true, I'll have to ask the Googles, but that I'm maybe not pansexual, that I'm just queer.

But like when I was young, if you called someone queer, that was offensive. It was offensive. I mean, I would still find it offensive today. Right, so I'm not sure I'm comfortable saying queer. I think I'm just pansexual. Yeah.

But I got to tell you, the pansexual flag is not as cute as the bisexual flag, and that's disappointing. Elaborate, please. I mean, I'm never... The bisexual flag is so cute because it has like red and blue

and then like purple in the middle like red and blue together is purple like that's hella cute So you chose over the damn colors So? You fucking irritate my soul You fucking irritate my soul She's like yeah I did

Yeah I did but I guess yes Even though I do sport a lot of bisexual gear I am pansexual. So there it is. But like men and woman should include trans men and women so bisexual should still count but I guess it doesn't.

Because like trans woman, woman, whatever, woman, man, woman. What's up with the, I gotta ask you because you're a fucking weird one. So I got to ask you. I love it. Bring it. I have a weird one. I accept this.

Because I'm asking no, a real question. I feel like you can maybe help me clarify how I'm, because I want to know. Like what's up with this like pronoun shit of the her, her, he, like, what's up with all that? Like, people are, like, labeling their stuff.

Like, when they, like, I had somebody send me, um, a contract, and I had to look over this contract for this movie. And the person, like, before they put their name, they put her slash she,

then her name. Yeah. It was kind of, you know what I'm, it was weird. Yeah. So, like, people are doing those pronoun shit.

Yeah, yeah. Even my, a good friend of mine is a professor of anthropology at UCLA. and it's mandatory for all staff at the end of every email as part of their signature to have their pronouns. Yes. I think that's just the way it is now. You know, I think that that's definitely in porn when we do our consent checklists. It'll be a full checklist of like the normal sex acts.

Like are you doing fingering, squirting, fisting, you know, whatever you're doing and not doing, you talk about it. and as part of that consent list within the past, I want to say maybe like three years, pronouns is part of that consent list. That's crazy. And I felt like you've maybe seen it because you do with a lot of people that, you know what I'm saying? They're walking around with them.

They have a variety of pronouns. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just, I didn't understand why they're using it now. Like what's the... You know, I think people just want to feel... You'd have to ask, like I'm just she, her. I feel like I was, you know,

born and still accept my gender. So, like, I didn't have to go through any transition. So I might not be the best person to speak on this. But it seems like from my friends, they just want to feel like they're truly embodying their real selves. You know what I mean? And they'd like to be addressed as their real selves and not have to hide it. It makes sense.

You know? Like it's shameful or something. It's not shameful. I think you help me out with that and I can break it down maybe more in the layman's terms for people. I think it's more of people want, if like, say for instance, if this woman wants to be a lesbian

and she dresses like a man, she wants to be addressed as a man. She doesn't want to be addressed. Like, when I be like this, we're going to the store. Well, she wants this from the store. That's not how she wants to be addressed. If a person wants to be addressed as he, him,

they should be able to be addressed as he, him. Like, your genitals don't define your gender. They define your genitals, like your sin. sex, right? So, like, you could have a penis, you could have a vagina, you could have both. But that is nothing to do. Like, I have a vagina and my gender, I feel, is female.

Do you know what I mean? Those things are not the same thing. Yeah. I have to speak on it because I'm like, if you want to be gay, be gay. Or not. There's nice, yeah. And there's, hey, look, there's nice gay looking men paws, nice. gay-looking women, balls, you could still be you.

Like, you could still be you and still be that. I don't understand why we have to go so far to change it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, be who you are. Like, hey, I'll still shake your hand. I'll still be cool with you. I'm not homosexual. Like, I'm not where I have a problem with them, nothing.

Like, be yourself, you can walk up, yeah, I'm guessing. Be your authentic self. Be your authentic self. Yeah. Like, what are you running from in that? Like, what are you so afraid of? Like, why can't you just, I thought gay people were supposed to be free. It's supposed to be alive, strong.

It's full of life. Be you. Yeah, I think people accept who the love you are. You know what I'm saying? And that way, there is no difference. Because, like, I feel like now they're just, it's changing up so much. You're not about to know who's fucking who. I don't even think it's about gay or straight.

Like, I think there's lots of gay men born as men who still identify. as male. Like you could only want to date boys and identify as male or you could only want to date boys and be non-bite. Like do you know what I mean? I think it's just I feel like it's just a way again someone else is probably better to feel like fucking seen and to force like these old like to use their words these old fucking boomers to get with the program. Like it's not all about the way that you and your puritanical America with all your fucking rules how you're like trying to make gay people less than, women less than, minorities less than, people of color less than.

I think this is the way of the next generation raising up and being like, no, we're going to be exactly who we want to be and you guys are just going to have to swallow it because we're the future. And you know, listen to me, and I'm all for. Yeah, yeah. Right? I'm all for that. But

be real with yourself. Be real. I feel like when you start to try to jump out the box, can't that kind of turn into a sickness? It's kind of like a sickness to me. It's like be who you are. You feel like you were born gay? Cool.

Feel like you were born lesbian. Mm-hmm. Feel like you were born bisexual. Mm-hmm. But be what God made you, at least. You still be that person, but you don't have to, am I making sense? Like, and I love the LGBT community. Love them.

I love for who everybody stands for in themselves. But when you start to try to switch it up, like, it's like, now you're confusing me. I don't know what you want to be. Well, just because God gave me. a vagina, like what if I identified in a more masculine way? And I wanted to wear a prosthetic penis and I wanted to be called him. I think it's cool. But God never made that.

Well, maybe part of my problem is I don't believe in God. So I feel like, then that's totally fine. Whoa. I feel like, whoa. No, no, I'm not trying to diss. Like, a lot of people are religious and I'm not trying to like get on anyone's. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a big church goal.

I don't go. church every Sunday. I don't, but I feel like somebody made this, Sheree, this wasn't an accident. None of this was an accident, okay?

So even if you don't believe in God, right? Let's just say, there has to be some higher being that has made all this. This has already been thought of. I believe, every bit of it. I believe in purely evolution.

You feel like we just got made out of matter just to spark this thing? No, no, I think it took hundreds of, of thousands of years to slowly evolve into this creature that we are today. And I think our genitals, penises and vaginas, are useful tools for procreation. And that now that we have these big, beautiful, amazing brains that we can have whatever

genitals we want and use our big amazing brains to feel any fucking way we want about it, to feel like a woman, to feel like a man, to feel like a whatever. They have came up to where, yeah, man can cut his genitals. off and actually have a vagina. Sure. But I haven't seen them be able to attach a penis just yet. So we have to still have some faith here, right? We still got something left, you know?

We still fucking got something, man. I feel like we're, you know. I think humans are fucking awesome in that we have such big brains compared to other mammals. I love humans. I love the human mind. I'm fascinated with the way it works. Yeah. You know, I almost want to go to school for psychology.

Like I want to, I'm fascinated with how the mind works, you know, and what even sparks some of these thoughts in some people. Yeah. I just love, I mean, this is probably part of me being a pornographer. I just love, as long as you're not hurting anyone, letting everyone just do them. You know what I mean? You want to smoke some weed?

Awesome. You want to live in a hut in the middle of nowhere. Fucking cool. You want to be a man. You want to be a woman. I feel that. You want to suck dick on camera. Like as long as you're happy and no one's being harmed, like we only, I don't even believe in an afterlife.

So I really think that we should just live, live, live, live. Hey. And whatever that means to you, I'm like, for it. I'm just beautifully for it. Let me tell you something. Yeah. There is a, I do believe. And because I am a God, I do believe in God.

I'm a God-fearing man. Yeah, yeah. You know, naturally. Sure. I think it's just in me to be that way. You know, I feel like there is a high. place, there's somewhere we're going after this. It can't be...

I want that to be true. Listen to me. For us to accumulate the knowledge that we do, being on this earth for how many, every many years that you're here, and just for it to just go into blackness and into darkness and into nothingness. I don't believe that. It would be tragic.

That right? It's tragic. So it has to be something. I feel like maybe this is just step one, right? This is level one. God, I hope. So I hope I die and realize you're right. I really hope I'm wrong. Well, you come visit me in the afterlife.

I'll pray to your God for an afterlife. There we go. Hey, you know what? As long as you, hey, you know what I love about you because even though you say you're so open, you're like, I don't believe in God, you're willing to believe with me. Well, I do know that I don't know.

How would I know? Right. How would I know? Right. I wish I believed. I can say I don't believe, but I really hope you're right. Because my version is way sadder.

Your version is way cooler. Yeah. That there's an afterlife is way cooler. This was, and I don't want to sound redundant and keep going, but I'm like, this has to be, this shit was thought of. This, from these microphones to this room, it's all mathematics. Everything has its meaning and its reason of even being your hell. Even flies have a reason to be or something that bothers people the most. You know what I'm saying?

Flying around your house. everything has a reason for being here. You know what I'm saying? Well, we did all evolve. And we did all evolve with a purpose, even if it wasn't a higher ordained purpose. It's at least an evolutionary purpose or a niche where we fit into the environment

that we've been given. So I believe that for sure. I love having these conversations with you because we sit back. I want you to be right though. Oh. And you know what? It makes me feel good that,

you are willing to at least accept. You're like, okay, well, it's not impossible. Show me. Like, it needs to show me. You're a person like you like to be shown, you know? Yeah, just like I have friends and I love hearing their stories that believe in like ghosts and supernatural stuff. And I don't. Yeah.

But I really enjoy hearing their experiences and like listening to those stories. And it doesn't mean I don't find it exciting or intriguing. Yeah. But unless I were to have a superiors. supernatural experience. I just can't believe it. But I'm here to entertain it. I'm here to hear about it.

I'm here to listen to you in a non-judgmental way, you know? All right. Let's take a change in events. I got a question for you. Like, since, you know, some of that you may or may not believe in, I know you believe in a love life. What's that been like for you? I do.

I love intimacy. What's that been like for you? I love sex and I've been really blessed to have a lot of amazing sexual partners. and something that can happen with sex, but can also happen, which I do have in my private life, is intimacy. So sometimes at work and at home,

I have both carnal and intimate sex, and then sometimes I just have intimate sex. And I feel like for me, I have a partner. I've had the same partner for 10 years, and I feel like that gives me that emotional intimacy that I don't always done. So you can fucking the same motherfucker for 10 years?

For 10 years. Like on some intimate shit. Yeah. Like, you know. Like emotional. We're grown. So I can understand exactly what you're saying. You're like, no.

Where you're vulnerable. Yeah. It's spontaneous. You're like, this ain't for no camera. This isn't for no scene we're shooting. We're going to experiment. We're going to feel ourselves. We're going to really like.

And I feel like a lot of people can't do this, but like be like present. Like for however long that lasts. Like be here with me and nowhere else. I think that's why I've noticed a lot of, a lot of people in the porn industry. Yeah. Women, preferably that's been in a while. I notice like when they have sex with a partner,

like off camera and away from it, they don't want them drinking, smoking. They want them sober, normal. Yeah. They want it. I think it makes them get off to know that a person is all the way there. It's hot. Like no drinking, no smoking, just us being intimate.

Me knowing that your mind's there, I think that's what turns the other person on that's been in it for so long. Yeah. No, I've been with people that are doing drugs. They're fucking drinking. Or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. To get them to this mode. Why can't we just be here because we're here?

And because, like, there's something about, like, deep vulnerability that I find so sexy. Yeah. You know, like, there aren't many people in my life who, like, get to see every single ugly, beautiful corner. You know what I mean? Vulnerability is supposed to be special, right? Because it's you catching that person when they took the armor off

and they've set the armor to the side. Yeah, your mask you wear every fucking day, that exhausting mask. Yeah. You've had to be one that's had to put on some emotional makeup sometimes. Of course, who hasn't? You know, just to put a smile on,

even when you felt low, the energy was low on the inside that day. Right. And not just in porn, but even as a physical therapist. You know, like maybe your home life has fallen apart and you got to go in and you got to treat those patients and you have to be motivational, professional, attentive, present. Like, sometimes you have to put that mask on, you know, because that's, you're not doing the people that you've made promises to a service. If you can't put your shit aside for a minute, go to work, do your. your job or whatever task it is.

And then hopefully you're a person who has someone else that you can be vulnerable with. So you don't have to be 24-7 like this fucking character. I feel like it may be hard for somebody who's in the industry of porn to go home. And I would think that the last thing, I mean, unless like there's people that really love each other. They really fuck with each other. So I guess that doesn't matter. But there's some people that come home from they've had a shoot all day. Big day.

And their man wants to still get it in there. Sure. I'm tired. Sure. The last thing I want to see is that can happen. I spread my legs again and doing like, you know, how do you separate that? Like from going home and being like, okay, this is real versus I know what I just did on camera. I'm going home to kind of do the same thing.

Hell, I might even turn around and split it like I just did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Fuck with your mind a little bit? For me, it doesn't because every person. person is so different. But no, but I see what you're saying. Like, let's just be like, like, let's just put it in like the most crass way.

Say I did like a double penetration scene and my vagina and asshole are sore. It's not even about emotions. Stop, Sheree. Remember where in the sharp tank and you're talking to sharp. You get very fucking. And I'm sore. Right. Do you know what I mean?

Like I just got fucked. Okay. So like I can't fuck in those holes again. But what could I do? Maybe I could give my partner a sensual massage. Maybe I could, we could do mutual masturbation. Maybe I could use my mouth. Maybe I could give them a hand job.

Maybe I could. To put all into your pink and the other that stinks that day. Then he's got, that's what I want today. Just like what if, what if you are exhausted after today? Like you're just fucking emotionally and physically done. and for whatever reason, even though your lady is home, spread eagle, and wants it all, you're just like,

look, I had the most emotional day in my life. And even though I love you, like, I can't. I can't emotionally and physically do that for you today. Like, if you have a lover, that has to be okay. You can't be someone's fucking sexual dildo 24-7. You know what I mean? Like, that's not appropriate. That's not appropriate.

Yeah. Hey, y'all ever notice she talks like a real concerned mother? That's not appropriate. I know, I know, that's not appropriate. Listen, listen, look, I got that mom energy from here until tomorrow. You do. But see, that's another question for you. Does that cause, like, how does that, like,

because I care about how you feel through all this? How does that make you feel to like, it's like, it never turns off? Like, if the sex never turned off? Yeah, like, just the role play, like, of just always having to be America's stepmom. I know I'm not. I don't know what it's like. I don't know what it's like. So like, it's like, how do you feel?

Like, I'm sure, like, this version of you is like a heightened version of the real you. Just like Sheree is a heightened version of the real me. Like, when I'm on or off. And I think, like, my family and my friends that are close to me, like, they get it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And not all, but a lot of my friends are entertainers who, like, really get it. You know what I mean?

So I try and surround myself with people who, like, aren't. going to be an asshole about like look I'm emotionally run down or I'm physically run down or like I just had like this crazy day that I barely made it through and now I'm just going to like go be an introvert right for a whole day maybe there's people that understand because they're doing the same thing as you yeah yeah but what if your partner doesn't he works a regular job you know that might not work job yeah yeah job like he makes outstanding money sure he's fucking riding poor she's having sure he doesn't really ask you for anything but when he's wants you at home and you might need to go do

a scene that day. You're like, no, this is going to this is my job. This might solidify the next five years of what I actually have going on. Like say he's like a surgeon and he has like a big surgery to perform like I would wouldn't want to keep him up till 2 a.m. sucking his dick. It's fucked up though

like because you actually understand that he might not understand your mixture. Then we wouldn't get along and it's kind of fucked up. Then he wouldn't be my guy. What if you guys do get along? Sheree like y'all are fucking perfect. It sounds like the man you're talking about doesn't have the level of emotional intelligence I need.

Well, I'm going to say that's a lot of men. It is. It is. What man in his right state of mind is willing to, the strongest man in the world would break down and cry him thinking about his woman getting fucking flustered and fucking

pulverized against the wall. Yeah. It's going to fuck with his mind a little bit. I'm about you early. You're going to feel a certain type of way like, and you know what? I'm going to tell you this. It's not normal to feel like it's okay. Right. It's not normal, man. No man should have to do that, but it takes certain, some kind of individuals like myself. You got to be fucked up in the head a little bit, right? And I tell you what? I accept it. I blame the way that a lot of cultures raises its men and

women. Do you know what I mean? Like, we came, think about the disaster that is the American heritage. A bunch of fucking conquerors come over. They destroy every of the, all the whole culture that here, they bring their puritanical, misogynistic bullshit over, and then we, for the next couple hundred years, train our men to feel that way. What if, listen, what if it's this, right? My brain is wired the way it is. Why do I accept the shit and feel so comfortable about it? Yeah.

I don't know. Maybe the money when I was doing it. The money. Oh, my God. Maybe the drive for real of why I really accepted it. Not the average man is. Maybe the self-confidence. Let's be real.

Maybe the introspective nature that you are. You and I both know. No, that's, it's not normal. In our culture, it's not. For a man to accept. It's not. It's not. Woman's selling her body or not.

Playing with herself on camera and selling it to people all over the world. We train our men. We tell our men in this country and a lot of other countries. We tell them that women are property. and that if your woman is doing something like that, you should be upset. And we go even further than that. We don't just say you should be upset.

We say it's a hit on your very masculine nature. That is the dialogue that we're raising our children with, and that has been the dialogue for generations. But like, I don't know about you, but I kind of reject that white puritanical come over on the Mayflower bullshit culture. Because that's not every human culture. You know what I mean? I think they've fed us a lot of lies about who's important.

Well, let's really think about it. I think that we probably would be more of, we're the most flexible country when it does come to stuff like that. One of. I'll give you an example. Because when you go over to like Arabic Islam and stuff like that. That's much tighter. Much tight.

That doesn't fly. You'll get killed. She's not even allowed to show her face. No. Let alone get her ass on campus. Right. The level of oppression. Spread eagle. The way that they dehumanize and put women down is a way bigger misogyny than we have here.

But like maybe someday we'll go back to older cultures that held men and women equally or even women as the matriarch. It was that now. It's been a long time. It's been that now. It's been hundreds of years. Yeah. But when you go back to the beginning of it, then you start to look at it, it's like the man always ran the situation. Which beginning, the beginning of the white United States, yes, but not the beginning of a lot of tribal nations.

Well, if you look at it, right, the man was the hunter, the woman was the one that cooked the meal that the hunter brought. Which makes sense. You know what I'm saying? So the man had to go get the meal. I get it's not like that these days. You got women running the entire household. I heard Gabrielle Union say about her ex. I think it was her ex-man that she was fucking with way before Duane Wade.

she was like she felt entitled to cheat because she was the one that was the bread She's like, I'm entitled to cheat Breaking trust is bullshit Because she said she was like Well I pay all the bills She says I pay for everything

She's like I take care of everything 100%. So she's like I feel like the person that's in the relationship That's doing the most Is entitled to do something like that Interesting It's crazy. Interesting Yeah I heard of say that I was like I wouldn't be comfortable in that relationship

But that's interesting I wouldn't be comfortable in it either. I don't give a fuck what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just fascinating. Sounds like she feels like you can breach trust that you have in a relationship just because you make money.

I don't give money that kind of power. Right. Yeah. Talk your shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's real shit right there. You're like, if I want to be submissive to my man,

I'm going to be submissive to him. Why not? I don't care if he's got a dollar or has a million. It's not money. That's not why you got with him. You have to like something about the man. If it's just, Just the money, money can leave tomorrow.

Yes. That's why money comes and goes. Listen, even when I was in the game, I'm giving like, I never, it's not about how much money had in my pocket. It's about how much does that bitch really fuck with me? How much does she like me? Yeah.

How much does she want to build? You don't matter. She won't mind actually being there to help me build because she wants to say that she was a part of helping the fucking building structure. Well, and I'm sure that helps her too. You know, the better everyone does, the better it goes. I feel like it makes a woman feel more secure in her situation.

Maybe. in her position because she's like, okay, I really like a valuable member of the team. You're not going to get rid of a valuable member of the team. It secures a position. You know what I'm saying? Like I was there for all your happy shit. I was in your sad shit. So then you're not going to say, oh, well, next by.

Yeah. Right. Have a little bit of whatever you call it, tenure. I just, I don't know, I just always like, and I'm sure it could sound like banter to a lot of the youngsters, but like for the older people, like we think about things like this, you know? Everyone should. And I feel like everybody should. That's why I felt like me and you and in this

conversation, we brought transparency like a motherfucker to a lot of things. Fuck, yes, Gen X. Yes. I'll tell you this, like I always say and I bring people back, but like you're one of the first people like I've actually brought back. I was like, man, I'm so happy. I always brought you up. You always came up in

a lot of the conversations. I talked, like I said, I talked to a lot of adult stars. You do. Yeah. And a lot of them, they play in the stepmom realm. And I'm like, well, you know, Sheree DeVille? They're like, oh, yeah. Oh, gee, stepmom, ho.

She was fucking stepson's before it was cool. Man, before it was cool, man. I would love for you to come back. I would love to. And, like, I feel like this was more like a podcast setting of, like, me and you just kind of kicking game. I feel like if you and I just, like, shared a joint, we could talk. all day. You come over to my pool. That would be it. The sun would go down.

We were like, what the fuck happened to the day? We talked all day. It's good conversation. You're good people. Overall, good people. Yeah. We were even bullshitting before we got online. You're like, save it, save it. I'm like, but I want to talk to you. I haven't seen you. I haven't seen you in a while. So it was good.

Like I said, I was supposed to catch up with you at Avian. I know it didn't happen. Avian's chaos. I will definitely make sure next Avian I catch up with you. We sit down. We have a joke. And we just get to kick the shit.

Bring some of your home girls. Yes. Yes. Cherie, I love you, sweetie. Yes, I love you. Thank you for having me. I love you to death. And I appreciate you for coming.

Same, man. And just having your presence here and just giving some of your take on things. You're fun to talk to. I feel like the viewers need it. And overall, man, they deserve some fucking truth and transparency here. Yeah.

Yeah. I bet you always give them that. I have a feeling you don't bullshit people. The Sharp Tank. No jumper. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world with America's favorite stepmom. Hey, Donnie.

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