No Jumper - Cherie DeVille Tells Sharp EVERYTHING About The Adult Industry

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

Sharp and Cherie Deville talk about longevity in the industry, building a career, investing and much more! ----- 00:00 Intro 2:13 How to build a career before social media 2:35 Cherie's initial job was physical therapy, she got noticed by an agency right away 10:22 Sharp says playing games could be dangerous if you don't have a safe word 11:26 There's a difference between harm and consensual harm, says she did most of her fantasies on screen 16:18 Cherie worked for years building her content before social media, now there's too much competition 17:40 Sharp says some are underpaid, Cherie confirms and breaks down how some actors work paycheck to paycheck 19:00 A retired actress has a harder time getting a job than a felon 21:03 If you start in this industry you can't really do much after if you quit 22:14 Cherie will continue to ride her wave for as long as she has the forum to do it, plus saves a lot of money, she has enough to stop working right now 25:55 Cherie is very grateful for her career 29:30 Cherie never had s*x with someone who wasn't tested ----- Shout to our Partners at Gamer Supps! ORDER YOUR FREE SAMPLE TODAY with our Promo Code NoJumper https://youtu.be/UUwcj1YC-NE Gamer Supps offers esports athletes, gamers, and podcasters the most effective and healthy energy choice to help them perform at the highest potential especially during their most crucial moments. Try it today 100% Free with our Promo Code NoJumper https://gamersupps.gg/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Sharp Tank. No jumper. Sharpest coolest podcast in the world. And today, I have a, I'm going to say young lady. All right. Young lady. I was going to go middle age, but I'm just going to, yeah, I like this. I like you a lot more now.

I'm going to say young. I'm here with a young lady. I want to say Sherry DeVille, am I correct? You know what? It's not my real name, so it doesn't matter how you pronounce it. But I pronounce it Sheree only because Sheree Curry from the Runaways pronounced it like that. And she's an, look, that bitch wore lingerie on stage in the 70s. Hey, we're going to give it to her.

Respect. I don't want to disrespect your name, none of that. I just wanted to see if I said it right or, you know, I saw, you know, it came across my desk. So, you know, when I saw it came across your desk, it came across my desk. And, you know, I've watched a couple. I've watched a couple of podcasts on you. Yes, not just the ones that you've done on Plug Talk. Which were good.

Which were great. I had sex like right about here. Yeah. I feel like that aura is still in this podcast. You are America's stepmom to the porn. I am. I am. I'm a good mommy.

You're a good mommy. Okay. Let's talk about, you know, the porn industry. How did that come about for you? So I had no intention of getting into porn. Not that I didn't want to get into porn, but like, how do you get into porn? You know, I was living in Nashville. It'd be like saying, hey, you want to be an astronaut?

Like, yeah, it seems cool to go to the moon, but like, how the fuck would you even do that? Yeah. Especially back then, this is pre, like, only fans and clip stores, you know, before the tube sites, you know, before, you know, anyone in any state could just create porn in their bedroom. and upload it onto the internet and do porn. I remember you were saying something. I watched something on you, a special. I like to call them specials. I watched a special on you,

and you were like, you know, I remember things predated to social media. Oh, yeah. Things like that. We had Twitter toward the beginning of my, like, tenure in porn, but that was about it. Instagram wasn't, if it was around, it wasn't really relevant. Yeah.

So we were just, back then, it was just taking bookings from companies. and hoping that companies liked you. But for me, actually, so I'm a physical therapist. And physical therapists make okay money, but I wanted more spending money, if I'm being completely honest. So I started doing like super casual nude modeling on the weekends.

And my agent found me online. My porn agent, and she's like, would you like to come to L.A. and shoot porn? And I'm like, what? Like, what? Yeah. Like, I didn't even think,

I didn't know or think I was necessarily gonna like it, but I just couldn't say no to that. Like I couldn't like get into my 90s or hopefully however long I live and be like, woulda, coulda, shoulda. Like I wanna be like, look at the shit Nana did. I'm gonna, and I respect that. And I'm gonna tell you this, and I respect that.

I wanna jump into it because it seems like, you know, this wasn't just something that you thought of today or last year. This is something that's probably already been on your mind for a very long time. Yeah. Maybe back in the early 90s. I mean,

but like you said, you call yourself a middle-aged woman, so I think that there was, I'm gonna ask you this. Were you ever into prostitutia? You ever thought about prostitution or things like that? That was never my jam, mostly because,

well, it's just like weed. Like, I smoke a shit ton of weed now, but I didn't smoke weed at all until I moved to California and it was legal. Like I'm that girl. You know, like, I don't want to lose my physical therapy license,

you know, kind of like stick to the rules. I understand that. I'm not against, I mean, obviously I fuck on film. I'm not against it. Granted, but I'm just saying like, do you, are you like, have you ever done anything like, have you ever engaged? Before you like went to porn, before you thought of doing anything, you were a young girl at one time.

You were a young girl at one time. Did you ever, and for money, did you ever take consideration like, well, fuck it. Like I'll, I'll go, you know, shit, for some money, I'm already like to have, I like to have fun like you said, you're a swinger. You like to have fun, right? Yep. You like to have fun. That's what you're in.

So were there ever any time is that, you know, you were low and you wanted that extra spending money, like you said, and went and engaged for certain things to. Well, like I said, I did like, I don't know if you know the website. I don't even know if it's still around. Model Mayhem, which was, like, when you say they're models and photographers, I'm using that word very loosely. These are like guys with cameras taking nude pictures of girls who are women. willing to do it. So like, I mean, that's close in a way. You know, I'm sitting there for whatever,

a few hundred dollars an hour, you know, sitting in some dude's living room, butt-ass naked, letting him take photos of me. So, yeah. Well, I watched, I watched, I was driving down last night. And I watched, you know, I sat back and I watched, I think you had did one with another lady. It was like 50 minutes.

Like 50 minutes you had did. And that's not the, that's not the name of the show. It was like 50 minutes you had did. I think she was also in the industry as well. She had some curly hair and you guys had sat down. Oh, Holly Randall probably. Holly Randall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw you sit down. Now, mind you, I heard you on Plug Talk talk about, you know, did Lena ever get Adam a hooker? Yeah. That was one of your questions. That was like one of your biggest questions. Why? Well, because I have a lot of friends.

Like, to me, that's like the easiest way. for someone who's shy to have a threesome. You know what I mean? I think it's a little intimidating to have to go out and pick someone up at a bar and make sure they're cool with all this stuff. Isn't it easier to like know what you're getting? You're getting a professional.

You're getting someone that's tested. You're getting someone that's going to like leave at the end of the night who's not going to be like blowing up your partner's phone. If that's not your jam, you know what I mean? It's, yeah, totally down. Well, to go from that to when I saw you on Holly Ram's, I think her name is.

Holly Randall's show. Shout out to Holly Randall. You're watching this, sweetie. Shout out to you. I saw you on her show, and she asked you because I believe you both are in the sex industry, like the sex industry. Yeah, she's a really famous photographer.

Her mom was one of Playboys' first, I think the first female photographer. But she's in the sex industry as well, right? She has shot scenes. No. Holly, no. She's a photographer, although I think maybe one year ago, she started in OnlyFans.

So I'm pretty sure I did look at the beginning of her OnlyFans tenure. She's promiscuous. Because I wanted to see her boobies, right? But at that time, she wasn't doing any, like, boy girl or girl, girl content. Right. Yeah. Well, I'd heard you in her segment as well, because, you know, to link up Adam and Lennon, you did the plug talk. And to link that up, I had heard you say also when Holly had asked you, she was like,

what was your most favorite scene you ever? ever shot. What was your most favorite scene? And I'll tell you what it was. I have a lot of them. Tell me what I said to Holly. I'm like, I've got a lot of really good ones. Well, the most good one.

I know. And I tell you this, the most bestest of bestest you ever said was, well, my favorite one that I shot was me playing or portraying a hooker and me picking up a John. Hot. So I'm just trying to like Coralink. Both of them, like, that's why I asked you, you know, have you ever, have you ever, did you ever do any type of prostitution when you were younger or, you know,

just like, fuck it. You know, I'll go engage. I was more of a swinger. Like, no money's involved, but it kind of has that vibe in that they're strangers. You know, you go into the club maybe with your partner, maybe without your partner. And especially as a female, it's pretty fucking easy to get to bang almost anybody you want at a swing. And I had been doing that since, oh God, I was probably like, maybe like 23, 24, somewhere in there. Yeah.

She's been in that game for a long time. Yeah. And you know, I heard some things that you had said also, you were like, I think, I believe it was along the lines, you were like, well, you know, I like BDSM. You were like, I like that a lot. And you were like, you know, I feel like they kind of tainted in the porn industry. It sounds like that's something that you want to do beyond that light because you were like, well, if it doesn't make me cry, if it doesn't like, you have to make me feel it. I watched it. I know anything about you.

Everything that you really spoke on. I feel like you're in my mind. I'm all the way in your mind. I am all the way in your mind. And when you were like, you know, you don't just beat my ass. Okay, cool. You don't mind. Like you said, yeah, fuck me up.

You didn't care. You said, fuck me up. I'm all right with that. It's the psychological part that I love. I'm cool with that. You know, I'm a Virgo, too. I'm a Virgo. I know you are.

I knew that about you already. Could you see it in my face or did you know? No, I already knew. No, I already knew. I've done all my homework. You're like, she looks anal retentive. She must be a Virgo. I'm a Virgo too.

And I understand that, you know, us as, you know, us being us, you know, we like sex. We like things like that, you know. But sometimes, you know, you know, but sometimes, you know, you have to control yourself just somewhat and pick and choose how you move. What I don't understand is, especially you, because me and you, we're a little up in age. You got a few on me, but neither here nor there. And it's still beautiful and vibrant. But you got to understand, like, you have to master that control.

You know, when you had said, like, you know, I like BDSM. I like things like that. And I want a person to make me cry. Well, then what if you're really crying for your life? and that person doesn't think that that's what you're doing. Right. So that's why I feel like especially in like that type of like super, super intense play, like safe words.

Communication, safe words. Because, you know, I love the fantasy of it. I never heard you in the Holly interview. Yeah, she's so hot. I'll tell you this. I'm not going to, I never heard you like in the Holly interview because you were feeling, the way you had came off, you were like, I'll step past the screen to get what I'm really looking for. I'll step past that.

Like if we got to do some shit on the dark web, then all right. I'm just being honest. Like the way that I looked at it, I was like, okay, man, my soccer mom, she's like,

I'll take it a little bit further. Just a tad bit. And I was like, no, I don't want to see you in that light. I don't want to see you get harm to you. Well, yeah.

I mean, there's a difference between like harm and consensual harm, if that may, sense, you know what I mean? So like with anything, that's why like porn is kind of such an amazing safe space. I remember you're talking about that. Yeah. Like I feel like I've tried, like I was, you know, I did all kinds of stuff, but I feel like I've done my most wild things on screen, not off screen, which is kind of crazy. But if you think of it like even just

logistically, like how would you organize like a 15 dude gang bang like on Craigslist? Like that seems not safe. But I want it. I want it so badly. So to be able to have that with like super professionals that are amazing at fucking everybody's tested in like a safe environment

is like to me a dream come true because it's something that like on the inside I want like I watch porn like that I fantasize about stuff like that but probably a little too much of a wimp to go out and like get that in real life. Right. Well, what if that urge? But what if that urge? Because I'm going to tell you this.

Like, my show is like kind of for the troubled youth of women. I'm going to be honest with you. If you think that, I'm going to be honest with you. If you think that like the things that you're thinking about, I got girls on this show that's been doing it for years. Unfortunately. It's like it's like, no, they're not. They're not.

You're like, no, they're not. So I'm going to tell you this. But I'm going to say this. Like it all starts with that spark of that thought process. Yeah. Of saying like I might be too much of a wint, but after a while, you build up to it. You build up to actually doing it and actually stepping out and being like, well, you know, that that urge becomes a little bit greater than what you're doing. Right.

Like your sexual urge like somehow supersedes. You're like, hey, this might not be a good idea. That's why it kills, it kind of kills me to be. honest with you, you know, to see a lot of women, like I feel like it's more of an, it's not a business. I thought that, like, women that got in this, it was for a business. They didn't want their, they didn't want their family. I'm going to tell you this.

The ones that I knew didn't even want their family to know. That's impossible. They didn't even back in the 1990s. No, that's, that's bullshit. They didn't even want their families to know. They can be making hundreds of thousands. How? How?

Their families are going to find. If your shit's online, your family's going to find out. Not everybody was moving online. And you could still move online and bypass. Just being honest with you. Maybe. Just being okay. Maybe.

I mean, I guess. I feel like if you're like posting your stuff on like only fans and porn hub and all those places, you know, some friend of friends cousin, whatever. But to me, but to me and I'm not going to say only fans, yes, you can make some money. But you can, maybe, might. That's too many words in between the bread. That's true. That's too many words.

in between the money. Everyone says like, oh, top 1% of only fans. But like a lot of models have two only fans accounts. A free one, right, that just drives traffic and a paid one. And my free one is in the top 1% of only fans. It doesn't make Jack. You know what I mean? But what that really tells you is that even anything below the top 1%,

like you're not making a living. So that's literally 99% of performers on model fans. on model fans, on only fans, it wouldn't be enough to pay L.A. rent. It wouldn't be enough to pay L.A. living expenses. And to put yourself out there sexually considering the crazy-ass stigma that the United States specifically has against sex work, that's probably not going to be a good idea. Because you're not making jack money,

you're going to have a real hard time finding any other job. So what'd you do it for? I hope that the answer is like personal passion, because if the answer was money and your 99% of OnlyFans models, you did not meet your goal. Well, you know, I mean, think about it. OnlyFans is going to tax the shit out of you already. Well, I mean, every job.

They tax the shit out of you already, not to mention the IRS. I mean, any job. I mean, it just depends on how much money you're actually making, how much residual is actually coming in. That's how they tax you. Yeah, I mean, your income of like all your different income. income sources, the IRS knows. Yeah, I mean, they know, you're not getting away with anything.

They know it all. But for you, to me, I feel like, well, obviously, I've heard you say like they built your channel for you, the fans built your channel for you. People wanted you to be the stepmom of the USA. I came up, you know, before it was really like, I mean, yeah, I had like my own little website in the beginning, but before it was like crazy lucrative. to do your own content, I worked for years, other people booking me for shoots, marketing me, paying advertising dollars to advertise my films, right?

So they, meaning like the porn world, decided that I was going to be a milf, right? So then when it became hella lucrative to make my own content, I'm like, look, I could start a new brand if I really wanted to, but why? You know, all these other brands have spent the past, you know, eight years spending their advertising dollars on my name, I'm just going to take that and monetize it now myself. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking with you earlier and we were talking about the porn industry. And I clear my voice for this. When I say this, we were talking about the porn industry and I said, I feel me personally, I feel like, and this is nothing because you know what, it doesn't really matter what I say because I feel like,

because I feel like the porn industry is still going to thrive regardless. It doesn't really matter. People like porn. People like porn. So it doesn't really matter what I say. But I really do feel like, and I know this might sound weird,

I really feel like they rob the workers. Well, we don't get a big piece of the pie if we're shooting for studios. That's for goddamn sure. We don't, you know, traditionally and adult content, unlike a lot of us, entertainment, there is no residuals. Like you go to work, you get paid for that day of work,

you get your paycheck, and that's it, you'll never get paid for that scene again. So unless you're creating and owning your own content, you're working in a way like paycheck to paycheck. You know, and that might be fine, but you know, you got two choices if that's your income strategy. Porn performers have a ridiculously short lifespan. You know, I've been incredibly blessed.

So if you think you're gonna work for like, years, which would be almost a miraculously long lifespan, you have to take whatever money you think you're going to make in those years and make sure that that money lasts you pretty much the rest of your life, because unless you're incredibly like entrepreneurial, like, people don't hire retired porn performers for the most part, at least not in high-end jobs. So I think that's really something that, like, anyone like looking to get into the industry has to think about, like, might you make a good amount of money for a few years? You might.

But like, then what? Like, what do you want your future career to be? Most, I think it's, like, statistically harder to get a job as a retired female porn star specifically than it is for a convict to get a job. So, you know, there is a major stigma. So I usually discour-like, I love my job. And I would do it again, but I discourage people

from getting into it. Well, let's think of it like this. I don't think we can, like, I wouldn't want to try to share it next to a convict, because you have to think about it. What if there's a man that owns his business? He finds out that she's an ex-porn star. Now he feels a little bit more easier

because he feels like he can get the pussy. Oh, yeah. All of those things happen. You know, what if that kind of like takes? You might get fired. You might get harassed. You might. I mean, you're right.

Anything is possible. It's definitely you're going to be dealing with the choices you made for a relatively short amount of time forever. You know, so that's something for people to think about. And I know you say, might be able to hide it. But for me, I feel like if you want to do adult work and it matters to you what the people that are around you think, you should probably tell them first. Like,

before you do that scene, have those conversations. If your family is important to you, tell them. Tell your friend. Like, you know, it's not something that someone should probably, like, find out from your second cousin's friend that, oh, my God, I saw her online. Like, that's going to be not good. I just feel like for the porn industry, I feel like they're, they're, they're really robbed. And, you know, it's only a certain amount of people that's really making the, I mean, there's obviously a very small percentage. I mean, come

on, man, the girl, you're obviously, there's no mouthpiece that's needed for the porn industry. It's just kind of like you're there and if you're sexy enough and you got enough characteristics about yourself to be able to play that part, you're in. You're in for however long that your

analytics work. Exactly. But to see that, like, you to its maximum fucking effort potential. Shouldn't there be a maximum residual?

Yeah, that's kind of like comedy or acting or even podcasts, like how many people start a podcast, right? And then how many people are you? Very few. And I think it's the same with porn. I think everyone's starting their podcasts

hopes to be where you are right now, right? But that's just not the reality of it. Like, you know, one and, I don't know, 10, 20, 50,000 is going to make a legitimate living doing that. And it's the same with a lot of entertainment. But the thing is, if you quit this today, you can do anything. If a pornographer quits today, they're fucked.

It'd be like going to work on your first day of being a waitress and being like, you know, I really thought I wanted to be a waitress. But after waiting tables for a day, it fucking sucks. Well, guess what? Too bad. Because, like, you ain't got to get another job now. Like this is, that's the unusual part about pornography. It's hard to pivot out.

And so I think because of that, you see a lot of people doing it longer than they want to, and that can get dark. Yeah. You know, it's not like once you start a podcast, you're trapped here forever. You know, it's intense. Where do you see yourself? You are the internet stepmom. I mean, you have the label.

You have the crown. Yep. Yep. Where do you see yourself in the next five years? Because the body, the body still. I'm riding this. I'm riding it all the way. Okay. Well, we need to.

Okay, well, that's why we're here at the Sharp Tank. Hell yeah. That's why we're here, right? We're here to figure out where you can go tomorrow. I'm also, like, again, in the blessed upper percentages of my career. Like, I've been, I love saving. I was brought up in a really, like, financially well-off household who had, was able to give me a lot of advice on how to save. So I've already positioned to myself.

Like, if I never, like, I broke both legs or whatever happened and I could never work another day in my life, it wouldn't matter for me. But that's, I just feel like lucky. I feel like you're privileged and you just get social ability or you just stacked up like that and you just feel like you don't got to work again. really well for a lot of years. You know what I mean? Tell us about some of the investments. Yeah. Oh my God.

Just a couple. Yeah. I mean, come on. I mean, shit. I actually have a financial team that invests for me. So I don't even know all of the different stocks that I have. You know, I have IRA, Sep IRA, a lot of like EFTs, different stocks that they manage for me. Well, I'll tell you this, friend to friend, know your money in where it goes.

Yeah. Don't you ever just. allow somebody else to just take care of your financial business. That's cool. You have people that know, yeah, they might know things that you don't know, but you always keep a handle

on how your money moves. It's very important. It's very important. They're like, delegate tasks, not knowledge. You know? Like if you have a business, go ahead and delegate those tasks to people that if you become too busy, but try not to delegate away all of your knowledge. You know, if you're,

you know, I might not be a financial, expert, but you're right, you should have like just sort of the groundwork of keeping track of what the fuck is going on with your shit. Yeah. You ever watched that show called Undercover Boss? No, is it good?

I've heard of it. I've never watched it. You ever watch that show? Undercover Boss. Well, I guess it's based off of, you know, a person who, you know, he's in the corporate of that business and, you know, he doesn't even come down to see what's

really going on. You know, so he kind of, stays in the office, things like that. Well, they bring him in as undercover and they kind of like have him go through training and things like that. So he can kind of see what's going on with his business and maybe where there's corrections that may be needed.

Yeah. You know, and just for some of the people's stories, they'll come down. They'll be like, man, you know, I'm going to give you $25,000, $30,000, $40,000. And to watch some of these people like, and my point is this, to watch some of these people come down

and not even know how to do even a quarter of what these people do for this business is astonishing. Yeah, I believe it. You know, you might want to check it out. Yeah, I will check it out. Undercover Moss. Yeah, you know, when you're back, you know,

when you're at home, you know, and you're sitting there in your pajamas and you're eating some ice cream, you know, and you're sitting there, you know, doing your soccer mom shit. Wrapping up my fruit roll-ups and whatnot. You know, the things that we do. You know, you came in and I asked you,

I said, damn, here's my soccer mom. You said, yeah, I should have brought some fruit snacks. I have regrets. I have regrets. But no, I mean, the job is good. I just always say those things because I think a lot of people really romanticize adult work, and it's really, like, for me, it's been really fucking great.

And I would never go back. If you told me to go back and do it again, I would do it again. I love it. But I just always like to say that, because I've also seen, you know, I've seen more people not succeed than succeed. So I like to kind of give that caveat since there's not such an easy out. That's right. No, that's real because it's really not such an easy out because once you're in, you're in. And I've tried to say this many times to people, you know, where I come from like, you can't really take that. Like, it's easy to go from making $8 an hour to $20 an hour.

You feel like you're winning. But it's hard when you can go from making $8.4.00. thousand, 10,000 in a day and then they try to put you down to a $50 an hour wage. It just doesn't really, it fucks with you, you know, so you have to really figure out something that's a little bit more abroad than

trying to just, oh, well, if this doesn't work, I'm making money now, but if this doesn't work, I can just go grab a regular job. It's not going to feed you the same way. You've already, you, and I think that's why you get used to a certain lifestyle. You get used to the lifestyle. Yeah. If you let

yourself, you know, I definitely don't live the lifestyle of like my current yearly income. Yes, you do. I'm gonna tell you this. You know how I know you do? You know how I know you do? Because you saw my shitty car. No, not even that. It's not even that. That's just not what you're into. You're not in the cars or something else that you're into that really attracts your money. Everybody gets bread, but it's just something like I might not be into it's not. It might not be valuable to me. It might not be valuable to you, Laura. Might not be value, you know, to Josh, banks. Nobody's in this building. but it's valuable to you and you will spend your last dollar on it. What that is, I don't know. That's true.

But there's something you spend your money on. Ridiculous trust funds for my nieces. Like most people wouldn't, do you know what I mean? So there's always something that you spend your money on. It might not hold any value to me, but it holds a whole gold mine to you. Yeah, totally. It's all mental.

Totally. It's all mental. this soccer mom it's all fucking mental I heard you say I heard you say because it kind of it kind of frightened me for you because I don't want nobody to think

because okay you might be into the little weird ass shit that you're fucking into and I'll say this for y'all I just want you to play it safe and anything that you and anything that you do soccer mom you can play it somewhat safe don't put yourself but don't put yourself in the position to where you say hey

I want somebody to make me cry. You're very emotionally attached to it. I don't want you to do that. And somebody thinks that when you're really crying, you're like, hey, I just don't want to do, I don't want to be a part of this no more. They don't take it as that's what you're really saying. Yeah, that would be a disaster.

That would be a disaster. And the only times that that type shit's going to happen is off camera. And I don't want you to sit there and try to go touch that different demographic to fuck you over because it will go past camera. You wonder, Well, I'm just out having a good time one night. I met this handsome. I met this handsome man.

Rolls Roy smells good. Money, bought bottles. He did everything. Yeah, I don't think I would engage in BDSM play with a stranger, personally. You sure? What if you're just out one night just having a good time? I, you know, I'm a little bit of a nervous Nelly. I just, I love, you know, I am kinky as fuck.

Impossible. Impossible. Like, even in before porn, I never had sex with a single person that wasn't tested without a condom. Like, I am just a nervous fucking nelly. But can we agree to disagree that your kinkiness can get the best of you? I think it could if I weren't so neurotic. But you're right, a lot of people wouldn't have sex with multiple partners with condoms.

A lot of people wouldn't go to swingers clubs. Like, it's all within your own boundaries. Like, even that sentence might be like crazy for some people, but for me, it's within my comfort zone. So it's kind of all relative. Did you end up having any children? No. No. No kids?

No. I've noticed this, right? I gotta say this. Never wanted them though. Every woman, you never wanted them? No. Why not? That is a really good question because growing up, I just assumed a day would come where I'm like,

I want children and then I would have them. But I just kept getting older, like, nah, I don't want them. I really don't want them. Now I really don't want them. And now I'm 43, so like, you know, that ship has sailed anyway. I just still like never got the feeling that I wanted a kid. Ever thought about adoption? If I, at this point, if I decided I wanted a kid, I would adopt 100%.

Because I'm a little, I'm not sure my eggs are all viable anymore. I mean, I'm just saying like even if you didn't want to, I'm just saying even if you didn't want to put your body through the suffering at the age of where you're at. Even if I didn't want to be pregnant in other words. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just about being able to be somebody that can be there for a child spiritually, mentally, physically, you know, financially, of course, because they're going to need things, you know, just being able to be that overall parent.

Thank God there are people out there like that in the world. Because it's not you. Right. It's not you. Bizarrely, it is not me. I mean, you know, for a long time, I'm like, all my friends have babies. They love their babies. And I'm just like, no, man.

No. Shut up, you, man. No. I'm gonna draw for this one, man. For real, to keep my feet comfortable through this whole mixture of just fucking with you. Hey, can I say this? Hey, can I say this? Can I bring you back for, can I bring you back for a panel?

Yeah, what would the panel be? I said yes before I even knew what was up. I'm just like a panel. I don't know what that is. I'm going to sit you. It's going to be me and you. It's going to be me and you. And we're going to sit with some younger females.

Can I mom them hard? Can I just mom them and just like set them straight? Can I use a whip? Okay, sorry. I went too far. No, bringing the whip through. Just don't be trying to do no kicky shit. Just don't be trying to do no kinky shit and just let them know that you.

No spanking? No, because you're trying to do it on a sexual tip and if that ain't getting no bread, I don't want to be a part of it. I feel you. If it's not getting any money, let's remember who I am now. Okay, okay. I'm trying to have a decent conversation with you and get to know you. I want to know more about you. I want to bring you back.

I want to be able to talk to you. With no spanking. Because I would none of it. With none of it. Because I think that you got up your soul. I think that there's more we can dive into in the future. Yeah. I really do.

I would love to talk to especially younger women who are thinking of going into the industry. Before we get out of here, what do you think the end? What do you think these girls take on as the industry today? What do you think, like from the younger girls, you see them, you're like, Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That, okay, that's what she thinks. That's what she thinks this shit really is. But give your perspective of what you think the industry really stands for today. I feel like it's changed a lot in the past five years because I feel like, like, a lot of people, like, first there was, like, porn and then, like, other entertainment.

But have you noticed, like, in the past five years, other types of entertainers are, like, also doing porn? Mm-hmm. So I feel like it's maybe becoming a little bit more main. mainstream, which I think probably is making a lot more young people interested in it. So I think there's a lot more people interested in this as a career than there were 10 years ago, 20 years ago. It seems. I just thought porn was, to me, it's obviously, because I looked into it and I was like, okay, well, let me see if there's a game in here, like an end game. And it's like, if you don't got the it factor, you really don't make it.

you might get some gigs and make some money here and there. Yeah, everyone gets gigs. But you don't really, everybody can get a gig here and too. But you don't really get nowhere if you don't got the it factor. And I think that that's kind of fucked up because there's a lot of bitches that are really getting just they're moving on it thinking they're going to make it. All they do is just fucking end up spoiling their career. Yeah, I feel like that's part of like part of that though is like what does like our culture

tell women? Like part of it is we tell ourselves to like keep ourselves like pure sexually. do all this stuff, not give your sex away. But like the flip side of that is that we're also taught that we're like, like, I think a lot of women have like an overinflated sense of like how important their vaginas are to other people and that like, well, I'm not making $2 million a year doing sex work, but I'm sure the moment I showed my vagina that I would just like make all this money. And that's like obviously absurd, but like that's kind of like the dialogue.

Like these hoes are only making money because they're willing to show their vaginas Which doesn't like Say how many failed homes there are But to me it's like why just show it Do what you do get your bread and get out Nobody ever knew You have to keep your you have to keep your population

Of who knows your business As fucking low ratio as possible That's a tough one with the internet But yeah Well you need to figure out a better lingo Maybe And when you can come for it maybe it'll get took and then the way that you wanted to.

And that way you could still live your life because if you think about- Well, hookers can live a lot more privately. You like hookers, don't you? I love hookers. A lot of my friends are hookers. I really believe you have done some type of sex work outside of this. I've stripped. And you probably, you've done some sex work outside of this.

I can, I know. Do I look it? Do I have like, the ho-eyes? Yes, you do. You got them whole day. I am a-ho. I do get paid for sex. I know you didn't did your thing once or twice

because it just kept sticking out to me when I was watching this shit. It just kept standing out to me as I'm watching. I'm like, man, she's got a real fucking fascination with ladies of the night. I love it. And she likes to keep it classy.

She plays a role. She's got a role for him. Got a gimmick. I don't know. Like maybe it's just the fantasy, but like I do have a few hooker friends and it seems like a pretty cool job. Yeah.

Well, I'll tell you this. It might not be my job, but it's a cool job. I'll tell you this. You ever think about crossing over, it might work out for you. Honestly, it doesn't pay that well. Like, it pays okay. Little do you know. Little do you know.

And last time I checked, May, happy hoeing is the best thing going. Happy Hoan. We about to get ready to get up out of here, man. We're about to get ready to get up out of here, man. Hey man The Sharp tape Deville The one that don't like the steal

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