No Jumper - China Mac on Being Off Probation For The First Time In 14 Years & More

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

China Mac checked in with Adam while quarantining in the south. He is adamant about not trusting all the fake news coming at us during these trying times, thinking for yourself, not attacking asian people because of what's going on and would love to see more Asian American speaking up! ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yo. China Mac in the building. What's up? Let me go inside and make sure. I love your hair, bro. That shit is wavy. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

Wait, what are you doing outside, bro? You're supposed to be inside? I'm inside. No, I was in the back, y'all. Oh, okay, okay. That's good though. I'm about to come in here and light this bitch up and we can get to... Wait, so you want me to do it?

You want me to do it this way or this way? Straight up and down, it's fine. Right? Yeah, yeah, this is good. Yeah, this is good. Wait, so, okay, you do have a backyard, which is kind of rare for people from New York City. So you do have an ability to be outside? No, no, no.

I'm in, I'm down south right now. Oh, where are you at? I'm in the A. So you relocated as soon as you found out that? I didn't relocate. I'm just not, I mean, who wants to be in New York City at this time? Oh, you know what I don't. Got to be the worst place on earth to be by far right now.

To be in right now. Exactly. Oh, man. Let me put this together right here. Boom, put this light on, and then we can go. So right here. Gotcha. We good?

So when exactly did you manage to escape? All right, so what happened was when the coronavirus first hit, I peeped it, and then when it hit New York City, I was like, yo, I want to get the fuck out of here. So I had just got off of parole. I got off of parole like three weeks, like four weeks now. So what happened was I did a I just looked at the airplane tickets I sold like a $60 to get to Miami So I just took a I took a I took a plane in Miami What's that? We go? Sorry. All right. Yeah, yeah, we're good

Yeah, so I took a plane to I took a plane to Miami and I just never been back because it started getting worse and worse and worse The virus started progressing and I was just like you know why why would I go back to the city where it's like the hot bed at. So I might as well just stay out here and you know, I've been just Airbnb and just, you know, just staying afloat out here until, you know, she'd get a little bit better out there. What's your, what's your social circle like down in Atlanta? Who do you kick it with normally when you are able to leave the house? Um, I don't kick it with. I ain't really kicking it with nobody right now. I'm just in the house. Just chilling. You know what I'm saying? Um, but, uh, this, this, this is like my first time out here. So I don't really, you know, I've been with my home girl.

I got up with my home girl Janice, but that's about it. Uh-huh. Nice. Okay, wait, so you're off probation or parole, excuse me? Yeah, I'm off of parole. So how long were you on parole for exactly? I was on parole for six years, but I haven't been off of paper since I was like 14, 15 years old. Wow, so finally, do you feel like you're finally free of the criminal justice system?

I mean, for the most part, like, they don't have, they don't have, um, they don't have, um, they don't have, you know, jurisdiction in me right now. So it means, like, I can just go around. But at the same time, it's like, I still have to preserve it. You know what I'm saying? I have to be very careful with what I do with what I'm doing. And, you know, just really like, you know, um, you know what I'm saying, be careful. So was it?

I definitely feel a lot better because for me, they'd be even going out of, because when I first met you in Cali, I snuck out. Really? I didn't have permission to go out. I snuck out. Oh, wow. So it's like, you know, I had to sneak out, go and then come right back the next day. Like that type of shit. So now I can really just move around and, you know, I just been moving around. So you weren't even able to get like a release for you to go and do a couple shows or go do some press or whatever?

Like that wasn't an option for you to get a release to go to L.A.? No, they wasn't respecting it. Wow. That sucks. So I had to really sneak out and do my thing and whatever. But so that for that first six years, for that six years, it really hindered what I could really do. You know what I'm saying? And I couldn't go.

Like, you know, I would have to ask permission. And a lot of times they would just deny me. So I was just like, why would I ask? I just go and just take, you know what I'm saying? And just shoot out there. So you can smoke weed now for the first time in a long time? Facts. I've been smoking every day.

Wow, that's a beautiful thing, huh? Right, right, right. It is a beautiful thing. I mean, just little things people take for granted, but you not being able to do it for so long. That's crazy. Yo, I was on curfew. I had to be home by 9 o'clock.

They was coming. grown-ass man on curfew. What else? I had to report every, every month. Sometimes it was every two weeks. I used to get pissed tests every time I went in. You know what I mean? Like, just I couldn't really do anything.

Like, you know, on my social media, I had to really watch something things that I say or do. You know what I'm saying? Because they're watching. So it was just like, you know, but now that I'm off, you know what I'm saying? I feel, I definitely feel a lot better. This is the first time that I've been off of paper

since I was a kid. So it was like, you know, it was really dope, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Um,

but it must feel pretty bizarre to basically be on lockdown at a time when you are supposed to be out, celebrating and going crazy, right? Right. Um, but,

you know, I'm, I'm familiar with lockdowns, you know what I'm saying? But my lockdowns are a little different. I mean, all lockdowns be 23 hours in one in one cell, no TV,

no nothing. And you just got to sit down. there and, you know, do whatever, right? So, like, you know, I'm, I'm not like, you know, this doesn't really bother me, you know what I mean? Because what I realize is, when you have time to yourself, you know what I'm saying? In prison, you, the one thing that you're afforded in prison is time, right? You don't have nothing else, but you have your time. So it's either you can use your time to play basketball, video, I mean, not video games. But like, you know what I'm saying?

Play card games, play whatever else. You know what I'm saying? Or you can actually use the time to read up and really plan. And so when you, when the door's open, you have like, you know what I'm saying? Like you have like precision. You have a plan and you've been actually working on your plan and you use your time. A lot of times, you know, when the day, when everything is in full motion, we don't have time. We don't even have time to think about certain things because we're like consumed with doing this and doing

that and doing this and doing, but when you're locked in your house and you ain't got nothing to do, you got time to really plan out, really make some good plans. So when the doors open, you can you can go, you know, you can do your thing. So I think this is a blessing for anybody that uses it wisely. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Yeah. I mean, obviously the whole scenario is super tragic and there's all kinds of horrible things happening. But I do think that it's causing a shitload of people to really sit back and reflect and have more time to, you know, maybe be around their family and just slow down. And like for my entire life,

we never had anything close to this where everybody just had to chill out. It's always nonstop. This is the first time. And this is the first time I don't think anybody, anybody, nobody. Hello? Sorry.

Yeah, nobody ever saw this. Like the whole world stopped. You know what I'm saying? Like the whole world stopped right now. So it was like, you know, we never seen this. And I think we are at a brink of something really different right now. You know what I'm saying? Like all worlds is about to really change.

You know what I mean? I really feel like that. No, I definitely feel like that too. How do you feel about the reported racist things that are going on? We've seen all kinds of viral videos of people doing shitty things to Asian people in general in New York, outside of New York. Even our own president obviously has sort of instigated this drama. How do you feel about all that? I think it's trash. You know what I'm saying? I think it's. I think it's just bad, you know what I'm saying? Especially, and it's not just out here though. Like, you know, in China, now, again, I don't know if it's fake news.

I don't know the validity of the information. But if what I saw is true and what I heard is true is going on in China, you know, what I heard from what I know is that they're kicking black people, Africans out of their homes. I saw that. letting people go into certain establishments and et cetera and just have people sleeping on the street, you know what I'm saying, just because of their race. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like, you know, whoever does that, that's really bad, you know what I'm saying? Because when we start doing stuff like that, we've seen what happens.

You know what I'm saying? Like, this is not something that we've seen. You know what I mean? Like when we start, when we start dictating how people live, because of their race, you know what I mean? We've seen that before. In our lifetime, we've seen reminence of it, at least, you know what I'm saying? Like what Hitler did, what the slavery in the United States, we know what that type of hate can do.

You know what I'm saying? And right now with that, what's going on with Asians being attacked and also the Africans being affected by what's going on, it just shows like, how stupid we are. Because right now, the world is at war with a virus. A virus that knows no color. It doesn't know if you're American, Chinese, black. It doesn't care about that. It doesn't care if you're white, yellow, black, whatever.

It doesn't care. The virus isn't going to attack you because you're human. It's a virus against the human, you know, us. You understand what I'm saying? So right now, we are at war with that. but we're also picking a war between us. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think that this is definitely not the time for it.

And it's just ugly and it just shows that, you know, it just shows still how ignorance thrives. You know what I'm saying? And I just feel like I don't like it, you know what I mean? Whoever that does it. People be like, yo, Matt, well, you're not saying nothing about whatever, whatever. I don't like it, whoever does it, you know what I'm saying? If China's doing it, I don't like it.

I don't like that done anywhere. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I feel about that. Right. Do you think that the real damage to this, like from this, well, not the damage. I think that the real change that's going to take place in our society from this is that it's going to cause everybody to sort of take a step back and assess what is going on in their lives and realize that there might not always be this constant rampant change.

There might not always be this constant rampant progression. But it's sad when you see that some people are reverting back to just straight denial to people who are trying to politicize this issue and make it so that it's like a right versus left thing. And people want to just like line up behind President Trump to really like endorse his version of reality, which seems like complete bullshit. It's kind of sad because it's like this is the one thing that you. you would think would be a cause for everybody to come together. It seems like there's still a lot of division in terms of people who want to deny this.

Right, because what's happening is our leaders are pointing fingers. You know what I'm saying? Our leaders are looking for people to blame because it's bigger. It's bigger than it's just this virus. And we're going to talk about that in a minute. But before I do that, I want to say like, yo, like with the Asians attack, right? And people be like, yo, Mac, you always talking when Asians are being attacked.

But what about when people are attacking other people? Why you're not talking about other things? Well, I do talk about other things. But number one is the reason why I talk about it more fervently about, you know, Asian people is because we don't have the right representation. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's nobody speaking up for the Asians except myself. You know what I'm saying?

There's nobody speaking for the Chinese except for myself. You know what I'm saying? Anybody else that has a problem. platform to do so, they're too, they don't want static, they don't, they, they, they, they don't want the drama, they don't want the trolls. They, they're trying to like, they don't want that, right? And, and they're not saying, because of that, they're not saying anything. And because of that, you know, it's just these things are happening more frequently and frequently, you know what saying? Because people feel like there is no repercussion, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you

attack an Asian person, there's really going to be no repercussion. They're just going to cry online and do whatever, whatever, but there's really, like, what else is happening? You know what I'm saying? So now when I see that, and then I look at things like, like, like, when things happen, when injustices happen to the black people, they rally like this. You know what I'm saying? When justices happen to, you know, the Jewish people, forget about it. You know what I'm saying?

When things happen to gay people, oh, my God, it's over, you know what I'm saying? But when it happens to Asian people, it's like, yeah, you'll hear a little bit. but there's nothing real. Like there's no real mobilization. There's no real rallying because our leaders. You know what I'm saying? Because the people that have the platforms, they aren't leaders and nobody is leading us.

You know what I'm saying? Nobody is showing us a different way. Nobody is speaking for us. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like people like Ben Baller, people like like like Aquafina. People like in and the list goes on and on with anybody that has a platform,

any Asian that has a platform, I feel like people are not using their platforms. They're just worried about how it would affect them. And they're not using their platforms correctly to really represent for us. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's the problem right there because there's not enough people speaking for us. You know what I'm saying? That's why every time I get, I speak.

You know what I'm saying? Because there's not enough people speaking for us. There's a shitload of people speaking for black people. You know what I'm saying? This is a shitload. And I love black people. You know what I'm saying? Whenever I see anything happen, I feel outraged too.

You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, there are plenty of people speaking for them. The other day, I saw a post where Pete Ditty said, yo, the coronavirus is affecting mostly black people. And he made a post immediately. Whatever he had, he was trying to get done, it got done. You know what I'm saying? And I look at that.

I'm like, wow. You know what I mean? That's strength. You know what I'm saying? And that's something we don't have. As an Asian American, we don't have somebody to do. do that. You know what I'm saying? Somebody to really do that. And I feel like, you know, the Asians that have these platforms that could do so, I wish they grew some fucking balls.

I wish they fucking grew some fucking some, some, some backbone and stood up and said something. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, the more we speak, the more we stand up, the more, you know, the shit, people start seeing like, all right, they're not the ones to be going for shit. You know what I'm saying? But when we just stay quiet, and we just stay timid, you know, shit happens. And I just feel like that's a real reason of why, you know, things have been happening. Right. But let me ask you this.

A lot of people are very timid about being questioning, skeptical of the Chinese government. The NBA comes to our attention in terms of like censorship issues, in terms of what's being done to the Uyghur Muslims within China. there's a lot of like really atrocious stuff being perpetrated by the Chinese government and a lot of people are scared to speak up about that because of their just straight up business interests and do you think that that comes into play because I don't want to I don't want to make any assumptions about Ben Baller but I know Ben Baller probably does a lot of business in China and I know if Ben Baller was outspoken about that I'm not talking about him speaking about China you know what I'm saying because at the end of day he's not even Chinese

I'm talking about speaking up when things are happening in America. You know what I'm saying? Like speaking up and really like, you know, when injustices are happening in America right here, you know what I'm saying? Why are you not speaking about it? You know what I'm saying? Why are you not, you know, using your power to really like, like,

like, you know, really help the people that need to be helped. There's a lot of Asian people right now that are just lost. They just don't know what's going on. There is no leadership. You know what I'm saying? So we having, you know, we having followers and we having people, we should be leaders and we should speak up about things because Ben Bala, he's a respected person. You know what I'm saying?

Like when he's saying something, it's not just going to be Asian people that listen. There's going to be different. There's going to be a ripple effect of different people saying that. And if he say something that's really valid and not just commenting on a fucking Instagram post, but if he's really saying something and really trying to do something, then that's going to work. Like, he's going to have a lot of power. You understand what I'm saying? Because a lot of powerful people follow him. And that's just, and that goes to, that goes the same for a lot of other people as well. You know what I'm saying? And, and I'm not talking about him speaking about

what's going on in China because at the end of the day, we're American. You know what I mean? People tag me and shit like, yo, Mac, what is your people doing over here? Like in China. First of all, I've never been to China. You know what I'm saying? I've been to Hong Kong, but that, that when I went there, it wasn't China. It was still part of, it was still under the British rule, right? So I don't know what goes on in China. I was born and raised in New York City. You know what I'm saying? Of course, I have affinity to the Chinese people because my heritage, because of my ancestor. You know what I'm saying? My ancestors, we come from China. You know what I'm saying? So yes, that would be my motherland, but I am American, born and raised here. You know what I'm saying? Whatever I learn, idealistic. of me as a person, I am an American person.

You understand what I'm saying? Even the way that I think. So when I go to China, they're not going to look at me like, oh, brother, you're Chinese. No, they're going to look at me like I'm an American because we think differently, we talk differently,

we have different world views. You understand what I'm saying? So now I can't really speak on what's going on in China. Even though I know, yes, they have like a really like, you know, really a, you kid, just can't say certain things about them without the government reacting a certain way. Right? So we know that. But even without that, there's certain things that I can't talk about.

Like, I don't know what I don't. And there's so much fake news going on because people get their news. People get their news from Instagram clips from, from Twitter videos, from YouTube, things that anybody could put up. You know what I'm saying? This is not verified information. A lot of it. I'm not saying everything. But a lot of the shit. and you know there's a lot of fake news. Oh, yeah, definitely. So a lot of people are so lazy that they just see one or two or five clips

and then they'll judge their whole thing on this. And when you go there, a place like China that doesn't have Instagram, China does not have Instagram, China does not have YouTube, whatever we use, Google, anything like that, China doesn't have. China has their own thing. So there's really no way for a person in Brooklyn that has no ties to anybody in China

for them to get real news that's going on out there. Everything is kind of ciphered and trickled down. And, you know, I don't know. But most times she's been diluted and tampered and tampered. And it's different than what it was. So I'm not going to sit here and try to argue what's going on in China or what's not going on in China. All I know is what's going on right here.

You know what I'm saying? But also, but. One second. Can you tell Laura to tell Taz that I can't pick up right now because I'm doing an interview, but is he here? No. Cass Taylor's here? Yeah.

Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah, just let him know that I'm just, I'm sure he knows now. Okay, sorry about that. Okay. But, yeah, I mean, do you think that a lot of celebrities, Asian celebrities in particular, do you think that they just feel like it's like kind of messy for their brand to be speaking up on, you know, Asian people getting attacked on the subway in New York?

Do you feel like they just don't want to sort of put that kind of political content on their Instagrams or their Twitters? Or where do you think that that compulsion comes from to not say stuff about that sort of thing? I mean, I mean, I don't feel like that. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that your brand should, yes, your brand as an actor, rapper, whatever you are should be that. But at the end of the day, you are also a person. You are also a person of a person of your community. You have responsibilities as a person that's in that of popularity.

You're saying there's certain responsibilities that come with it. It's either you take it or you don't. But you, Adam, as whatever you, as you, all the stuff that you built, but there are responsibilities that come with it. Certain people are looking for you to like, you know, to raise awareness on certain things that you might have ties in or whatever it is. You know what I'm saying?

People without voices are looking for people like us and people hire to speak on certain things. And if you don't speak on it, then that's basically you're just worried about yourself. You're just worried about the money that you're getting, the moves that you're making. But what about the people?

What about the people that's being affected? What about the people that's being hurt? What about the things that you can raise awareness on and have other people follow suit? What about that? I always feel like, yo, at the end of the day, yes, I'm a rapper, I'm a do, I do whatever, but also I know there is,

I have a responsibility towards younger people, towards people that may be doing the same things that I'm about, that I've done in my life. You know what I'm saying? And I have a responsibility to tell them otherwise. You know what I'm saying? Because when I was younger, when I was 14 and 15, you know what I mean?

Somebody that, somebody that had some type of stature, all that person could have did was just do a couple things. And maybe my mind would have switched and it would have saved me from a whole night. And that's the same thing. There's people out there that can say certain things and do certain things that will change people's mindsets and will change certain things. And I just don't feel like as an Asian American, there aren't anybody doing that. There's no Asian speaking. I mean, when they're, see, with black people, white people, other people, other races,

there are enough people talking. You know what I'm saying? So because there's enough people talking, you can actually, you know, everybody doesn't have to speak. There's some people that could just, you know, play the black round, do whatever. But there's nobody, Asian American,

nobody's speaking. There's nobody talking. There's nobody standing up. There's nobody like, really, like, trying to, like, you know, bring awareness to what we're going through and our plight. You know what I've been taught

is if you don't speak up, you don't eat. You know what I'm saying? If you have a problem with it with something and you're not saying about it, you're not vocal about it, it will keep on happening. I came from prison, and that's how it is.

If you want to get on the phone, you got to stand up for it. You got to fight for that. You know what I'm saying? You want to get your meal. You want to get the meal that you're supposed to get, you got to fight for that. You know what I'm saying?

If you're quiet, you're just going to sit in the corner, be quiet, and you're not going to get anything that you're supposed to get. So that's the same thing out here. You know what I'm saying? Like, are we just going to be continually being quiet and just allow things,

to just come down on us or are we going to be more vocal about it? Are we going to start stepping up? Are we going to start, like, you know, start showing people, hey, we're not going to have it either. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because if you ever went to a Jewish community out here in Brooklyn or wherever you're at,

you ever seen how they have it out there? You ain't going in there and doing shit. You're not going in there and doing nothing. They got that shit on lockdown. You know what I'm saying? They got that shit locked down. And if you was to do something in the black neighborhood, They would pee hundreds of people coming outside and no, no, no, it's not happening.

But when shit happens to us, it's really like, you know what I'm saying? It's not really the same thing. Well, let me ask you this, though. Do you think that the average Asian person or Asian young person in New York City feels like they are a particular target of harassment or of people's anger because of the current coronavirus situation? right now. I feel like it's a lot more. It's higher. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, check this out, right? We are, the coronavirus is something really scary. You know what I'm saying? We don't, we never dealt with this. We don't know what this is. We have really no, we, like you said, this is our first time in our lifetime that we ever been in front of something like this. So we really

don't know what's about to happen. So it's a scary time. You know what I'm saying? We don't know if, you know, yes, we've been locked down for like a month, but what happens if we get locked down for three more months and the money really stops, then what happens? So a lot of times, a lot of us, family, like a lot of American people, we are scared right now. So when we're scared, when we're scared, and it's the coronavirus and our president or our leaders

or the media is saying, hey, this is the Chinese virus, Chinese virus. Now here I am. I've never been to China before. I grew up right here. My mom hasn't been to China in 40 years. You know what I'm saying? My grandmother's been here for 40 years.

You know what I'm saying? There's people that were generations that's been here in America. They just look like Chinese. But they've been here the whole time. And so now people like that are getting attacked. People like that are getting the backlash of something that happened in China. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, it's like, damn.

Well, well, when our president, when the media paints this, and they're not even responsible enough to be like, all right, hey, you know what I mean? There are Chinese people in America, Americans. You know what I'm saying? We don't want that backlash that happened to them. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that wasn't thought about. They just said that. And that put us in jeopardy. That put somebody like my mother, who's 70 years old. That put her in jeopardy. Now she walks in the store. What if a young kid,

whatever wants to be funny? And, oh, ching chan, chain, chan, and throw something at her. Or like, do something like that. That's, first of all, let me say something. All the young people out there, and I know you have a lot of young followers, it is fucking, you are mad pussy.

Like, you have to be some type of really, really rotten-ass pussy to want to put your hands or do anything foul to somebody that cannot protect themselves. You know what I'm saying? If you want to fucking throw something at somebody, do it to somebody that got some static. You know what I'm saying? Do it to somebody that's going to fuck your ass up too.

Do it to somebody that's going to shoot you. stab you. Do with the one of them. Don't pick no old lady. And that's what anybody, Asians, blacks, like nobody should attack anybody elderly. Nobody should attack anybody like that. Yeah. When I see that shit, I'd be like, yo, that's fucking crazy, bro. Because like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shouldn't be happening to anybody. We should be protecting our elderly. You know what I'm saying? No matter what skin complexion they are. If I walk down the street and I saw somebody attacking a black elderly lady, I'm jumping in. If I saw somebody attacking on old, elderly white man, I'm jumping in.

I'm stopping that shit. You know what I'm saying? Because they can't protect themselves. You know what I'm saying? So what I'm saying is, you know, it's really trash. And for all the young people out there, think for yourselves, man. Think for yourselves. Think for yourselves. Don't let media brainwash you with certain shit and make you do dumb shit.

You know what I'm saying? Think about what your ancestors went through. Think about what your grandmother went through. Think about what people that have been through. that they went through. And then when you make a decision on how you treat other people, you make that decision on, on, on,

with that, with that in mind, you know what I'm saying? You don't pick on nobody because of their fucking skin complexion. That's fucking stupid. That's foul. Just like when people were hanging people because they were black, that's fucked up. That's foul. You know what I'm saying? When people were fucking hauling off Jewish people,

innocent Jewish people to burn, that's fucking foul. But this is the same direction we are going to. You know what I'm saying? That's the same direction. That's the same shit we're doing right now. Shit that we look at like, damn, that was fucked up. Well, guess what? You guys are entertaining that shit by posting shit like that.

By posting something like, you know, oh, ching chong, Asian people who brought the coronavirus to fuck them up, shit like that. You're promoting it. It might be funny to you. But what you're also doing is you're promoting that shit. For the hundreds of people that's going to see it on your page, you're telling them that it's fucking okay to do that to an innocent person

that has nothing to do with nothing, but you're going to fucking attack them. And that's fucking, that's mad pussy. No, yeah. That's terrible. That's, I can't even believe that there's people do something like that.

Yo, I wanted to ask you about this. We lost Pop Smoke, who was probably like the biggest New York rap star to come out in the last couple years. And we lost them insanely early in his career. And under very, very strange circumstances that there's still a ton of, questions. I don't think they have any suspects or anything. How does how does that affected the city?

Did you know him? How do you feel about seeing something so tragic go down? We haven't seen anything like this for New York in a while. Right. Not going to lie, bro. Pop smoke was really like yes, we have Fabio. We have like, you know, we have some heavy it is coming out of New York right now. It's looking good. But Pop, Pop was about to bring it differently. Like, Pop. Pop really had a different type of energy, and I really think that, you know, if he was still allowed, he would have really did something really big,

you know what I'm saying? He would have really took us back up top, you know what I mean? And it's really, it's really sad to see that, but at the end of the day, it's still the streets, you know what I'm saying? And people still, like, you know, yes, you moved on, but that doesn't mean other people moved on,

and it's really sad to see that. But that should be a reminder to all of, of us how real shit can get no matter your status, no matter what type of, um, um, um, no matter what type of, um, success you've gained, you know what I'm saying, you're still successible, uh, I don't know if that's the word, uh, uh, what's the word, susceptible. Susceptible to that type of shit, you know what I'm saying? Now with Pop, I met, I met Pop um, twice. I met him one time with my bro D-Rock, and this was before he even started rapping. You know what I'm saying? With G's got Celine D-D-Rock.

I met him one time that he was just a young kid. He had to be like maybe like 16, 17. He didn't even say anything. You know what I'm saying? And then I seen him again a week before he died. When he had his album release party, I seen him at a studio. And he was there. We took a picture.

And I told him like, yo, bro, you're doing your thing. And you know what I'm saying? We exchanged just words. Like just, just, you know, words. But when I seen that, I saw that, you know, it really broke my heart. You know what I'm saying to see that? You know, I'm saying to see a young man like that, not be able to really, you know, accomplish, you know, because he was 21. You know what I mean?

When you were 21, how different were you from when you were 21 to right now? Crazy different. And, I mean, the fact that he was able to get to the point that he was at at 21 is pretty absolutely fucking unbelievable. Right. So, like, he was, he didn't even get to be. become the person that he was going to become. He didn't even get to do that. You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, and I listened to his music, yo, Pop Smoke was dope. You know what I'm saying? And, yo, rest and peace to Pop Smoke. But hey, let me say this, is that there's a lot of people who talk about the drill wave coming out of Brooklyn and how awesome it is. And there is a ton of dope music coming out of that world. But let's be real, the big attraction to a lot of that music

is the fact that there's a lot of gang talk and it's a lot of really, really, real gang beef shit being said. Some of the biggest songs from that genre of Brooklyn Drill are straight up crazy diss songs, if you really know what they're talking about. And losing Pop Smoke, it was like clearly the biggest character to come out of that, the biggest artist by far to come out of that world.

I mean, it sucks. It's terrible. But at the same time, it just makes me wonder, Like what is the future? This is, but this is the part of the game. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, when, when we, when we come out and, and we put that type of energy in the world, you know, it comes with it.

Whether you're really active in these streets or not, that's the energy that you put out. And that's the energy that will come back. You know what I'm saying? So all these artists out here that's watching your shit, you know what I'm saying? Um, you should be very attentive to the energy that you put out. because the same energy that you put out will be the same energy that comes back. And, you know, it comes in different type of ways. But hold on.

Let me ask you a question. Before we get, because I feel like we are about to go really past, I want to ask you a question. And I want to go back to the corona thing real quick, right? Let me ask you a question. Are you familiar with 5G? Yes. And then, so there's this big thing going on about the 5G. What do you know about the 5G?

I am explicitly anti-5G coronavirus conspiracy theories, just for the record. Okay. I don't buy it. Wow. Well, what is it that you... I've just read up on some of the corresponding science about what the radiation levels are from 5G and basically read like a pretty compelling case that the radiation levels from 5G are not even close to the level that you would need in order to like affect the world and the way that people are suggesting as well as the fact

that 5G towers have been installed around the world in a completely different order than the way that the coronavirus has popped up like if there was any kind of actual connection between the two then it would not have played out the way that it has and again I don't really I I only I only read an article about it real quick because I didn't take the conspiracy theory that serious in the first place but I was I was convinced pretty quickly that it's it's a ocean Yeah, that's bullshit. But let me ask you a question. And this is something that I want to bring up to, again, show people that there is fake news out there.

And we have to be very, very careful with what we let, you know, because what we think, what we think is it controls what we are. You know what I'm saying? Because there's some very famous people who have actually promoted those conspiracy theories. I forget their names actually, but there's some very like pretty legit actors and stuff. who've talked about it. Yeah. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Now, do you know what 5G is? Yeah. Are you like, huh? Yeah. Okay. Now, now, 5G, basically what 5G is about to do is about to change our world. 5G is about to change the planet Earth. 5G is about the,

and we are about to enter a whole other new, like, way of life, right? Because what 5G is, is 5G, there's been a race for 5G for the last two, three years, right? And what I mean by race is meaning who can bring this technology out and supply the world with it. Whoever could do that first is going to have tremendous power, right? Tremendous power. And this is why. 5G is not just faster internet.

5G is, yes, it is faster internet. And what we got right now is 4G. 5G is more than 100 times faster than that. Right. So what that's going to do is that's going to bring about artificial intelligence, right? So what artificial intelligence is basically the movie shit, robots doing this. And our world being really, a lot of it being ran by technology, right? And that's where our world is about to go to right now.

And 5G is really the beginning of it, right? It breaks the surface of it. So now with 5G what happens is like, all right, let's say, let's say if this shit is so fast that it can like as fast as let's say when you think, when you think and you'll be like, I want to raise my hand. Boom, 5G is faster than that, way faster than that, right? So 5G can act in real time. So cars, cars will be about to be. Once 5G really takes off and shit like that, there will be nobody driving cars anymore. all cars will be driven by itself

because the technology is so fast that there's going to be no car crashes. There's going to be no car crashes at all, right? 5G can also do shit like, like, say you're a doctor from fucking Cali, right? And somebody hits you up all the way in fucking China and needs a surgery. You can actually perform surgery from right there

where you're at on somebody in China. You know what I'm saying? Robotic shit because the robot can do it and it can move as fast as you move your hand. So as fast as you do this, that's how fast it's going to be moving.

So it can actually do fucking surgery. So this is like game-changing shit. This is real shit, you know what I'm saying? And this is shit that our countries, that the countries in power have been fighting to get to. You know what I'm saying? Whoever can bring this first

and it's not just faster internet. It's also dominance. It's also information because the people that can get that, a country like China, China owns everything. So like if a company that now 5G, there's only one company in the world that has the 5G downpacked to like 100. Like they got this shit downpacked. There's only one country.

There's only one company. And it's a company called Huawei from China, right? This is the company, the only company on the world that got this shit down to a science. Nobody else. Nobody in America. Nobody anywhere else. China is the only place that got it.

So now they got to this race. And when Trump, America was like, oh, hell no. We're not letting that shit. We banning that company from America. Y'all not coming here. You know what I'm saying? So now China has been moving because they can afford to do it at a third of the price where anybody can do it because the way the Chinese government,

they're allowing it. they're taking the L's, but they're allowing the company to do it for cheap. Why? Because when 5G goes into, let's say, let's say the UK gets their 5G from China, right? The UK gets their 5G from China. What happens is all the information that goes in that network, China owns. So all of your data, all the shit that your data through your phone, China owns that. Right.

And that's the whole question is, should we trust China? Chinese companies and companies who are basically going to be beholden to the Chinese government. Should we trust them with our most precious infrastructure and all of our information when, you know, there's many, many reasons to not trust the Chinese government? You froze up a little bit. You there? Oh, yeah. Sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I mean, I'm not here to say, yo, trust. I'm not here to say that. I'm just here to say, but are we, are we, do we want the world to, I mean, but is, are we going to trust. Trump with it. Like, I mean, so it's like, it's really like, you know, if people in China, if people in, in, in the UK or other parts of the world, they're like, damn, are we going to trust President Trump with it? You know what I'm saying? So like, really, it's like, who can we

trust with this? I'm going to trust America with it over the Chinese government. I'm totally honest. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, yeah, that's us. Right. I'm not saying that I don't agree with you. But what I'm saying is there is a race for this, right? And the only, the only, the only company that can do it is in China. And, and, and, And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, there's a big fucking virus that comes out of China and that stops the fucking world. And now, after this happens,

what is going to happen to the race? Like, is China still going to be in a race? Or will the rest of the world say, yo, fuck you, China? Y'all get some fucked up shit. You know what I'm saying? We're not fucking with you. And then what position is.

And this is all I'm saying, I'm not here to, like, give, like, all these crazy, like, I'm not here to debate. like, you know, like, like fucking, you know, those theories and shit like that. But what I am here to say is that there are other things in play. You know what I'm saying? There are other hands, other fucking strings being pulled that we don't know about. You know what I'm saying?

We are all guinea pigs and all this shit that's going on in the spectrum and the big scope of things. Right. So there are things that's going on in the world that we don't know about. But with this media, with the media, people put out fake shit. They can move so they can dictate what we do. They can dictate who we hate. They can dictate who we don't accept, who we do accept. They can dictate that shit.

You understand what I'm saying is I'm not here to pitch you a fucking conspiracy theory. What I am here to pitch you is don't believe everything you fucking hear. Don't believe everything you fucking see. And use your fucking heart. Use your common sense to make your judgment when you judge people, when you do things to people, Don't fucking listen to an Instagram post, bro. Like, don't, don't do that. You know what you're consuming.

You don't know if that shit is real or not. I could come up here and just say a whole bunch of bullshit that I just made up. But if I say it in a way, that's like, damn. Like, if I say it in a way like that, then what the fuck? I'm going to be moving. You're going to be doing what I want to do,

what I want you to do, and it's going to be totally in violation of what you've been taught. And I just want to tell everybody, like, yo, fuck that shit. Like, do your own research. And if you're going to hate somebody, do it because you know 100% that that's what it is. And you know, don't take a fucking Twitter post or your fucking famous actor that you follow or a rapper that you follow. And they say something and you fucking just allow that shit to switch your whole shit up. Because there are other things being played that we don't know about.

You know what I'm saying? For sure. Are you still releasing music or anything, you got anything coming out in terms of how productive you're able to be? Because I know you do a lot of YouTube content in general too. Is that slowed up a lot? I mean, I slowed up a little bit, but I'm about to drop an EP. And I'm not going to lie. I let a lot of people hear it.

And they told me that this is the best work I've put out yet. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, the name of the shit is going to. to be, it's viral, the viral EP. And I'm about to drop it. And, you know, people are telling me that it's my best work. I really put, you know, a lot into it. And I want you to check it out when I drop it.

I'm going to push it to you. And I want y'all, and everybody, like, I want you all about you tell me which I think. You know what I really put my blood, sweat and tears in that shit. 100%. But, yo, are you still doing the food show and all that kind of shit? Is all that shit slowed up? I kind of stopped on that shit.

But I'm going to come back. Like, once this, one. Once we get back in order, you know what I mean? Godwomen, I'm going to go back to the phone. I've been shooting shit on my phone. Like, you know, for the first time, I tried Captain D's. You heard of that? No.

They got this shit down south. It's like a fish fast food spot. That shit is fire. And I recorded that. I'll be putting that up soon. And I tried paying the Express for the first time. You never had that before? That shit's just trash.

Terrible. It was pretty good to me. I mean, you know what it is, though? I haven't had Chinese food in about two months. Oh, really? Because there's no Chinese food stores open right now. Right. And I'm saying?

Because of all this going on, you know, nobody's going to their restaurant. No, I mean, Panda Express, to be honest, I used to love it up until a couple of years ago. And now I feel like I've had, like, enough good Chinese food. It's hard for me to go back to Panda Express. But I guess, like, you know, it's like, I've had like $40 cheeseburgers, but I can still go to McDonald's and enjoy McDonald's to be totally. honest, you know? Right. Yeah, I mean, I had Pandy Express for the first time. I recorded it. And I just been, you know, doing as much as much of content as I can out here. You know what I'm saying?

For sure. China Mac, yo, I appreciate you getting on the line with us. I would keep going, but my phone's about to die. Yo, much love, man. I appreciate you, man. And thanks for having me, brother. For sure. And I'll see you back in L.A. and we could smoke one unlike last time. I don't think we were smoking last time. Nah, I couldn't smoke, but definitely I'm going to come up and chop it up with you, and we're going to smoke one, and we're going to kick it, man. Everybody out there, y'all be safe, man. And yeah, y'all ready to know, be safe, y'all.

Much respect, man. Appreciate your time. China Mac. Yo, you too, my brother. Be safe. Appreciate you, G. Another classic interview in the books. If you guys enjoyed this, make sure you like, comment, and subscribe,

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