No Jumper - Cholo Juan on Joining a Gang, Prison & Being the REAL Mexican Crip Mac!

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

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No jumper, coolest podcast in the world, and I'm in here today with my man, Cholo Wan. How are you feeling, gee? Just not feeling finding dandy. Yo, I got to say, I love seeing somebody a rep they set, and that shirt is probably the most in-your-face reping that I ever seen on the podcast. Well, you know what? I don't know if there's been other gang members from Mike County. year. Oh, okay. I think I'm the first gang member from my county to whoever come right here. Really? Yes. Okay. Everybody else that came here, they're not gang members. Okay. Who else is

from here? I don't know who came, but if they came, they're not gang members. Okay. You know? I don't know. I don't know. Are you sneak this in somebody right there and I'm just not getting it? I'm just representing from the big time at Rio from my Cetti Chiquest, Oxnard, and we're good, you know? Let it and be known. I'm the first YouTuber to walk the line after being a YouTuber and I'm the first homie from my county, from my varro, to come right here. So it's like a big thing for us, you know? Hell yeah. That's what I'm saying. Well, I'm happy to be part of it. Thank you. Grasias. No jumper, Rasa, right here, right now.

I'm interviewing you primarily off the vouch that I got from Swifty Blue. He hit me up. He said, hey, this dude is the real deal. You got him get him on the podcast. He's super interesting. You'll have a great time talking to him. He didn't really give me too many specifics. So I've been looking at your YouTube channel and watching some of your interviews and stuff like that. But I'm definitely interested in getting into it. Yes, sir. What's your relationship with Swifty like?

Swifty as the homie. That's the homie. That's the homie. That's good. You know? I like him a lot, too. I like him. You know, he went to my neighborhood and he blessed Tarasa with tamales.

He bought like 200 tamales. 200. Yeah, and then we went over and we gave it to the Raza right there, you know? And just for free, he didn't. he didn't get nothing out of it, you know? That's a man of the people right there. And so for that reason alone, that I got a lot of respect for him. But besides that, he's the homie.

You know, he, like, you know, he's helping people. That's dope. How controversial is he these days? He's very controversial. Very, okay. I like it, though. Yeah. I like it.

Because the guy, there's a guy who's from a hood who works at the farmer's market that I go to, and he let me know. No good. He don't like them? He don't like him? I don't know the dude, but he like, I met him at the farmer's market, and he's been to hit me up whenever he sees Swiftie on my story. Well, there's haters for everyone, you know what I'm saying?

Everybody has a hater, and I'm pretty sure I got haters, you know, but Swifty, that's the boy. All right. You got me here without him, I wouldn't be right here. Yeah. For sure. It seems like you got me, too, for sure. So, okay, tell me a little bit about your upbringing where you were born and everything. I'm from Oxnard.

Okay. I was born in the city of Orange, but I'm from Oxnard. You know, before I became a gang member at 11 years old, we were like fluctuating back from Mexico to Ventura, Oxnard, it's the same county, you know what I'm saying? And I lived in, Awascalientes, Sakatecas.

Shout out to Oaxalientes and Sakatecas. I lived in Juarez, in 93. You know, it was cracking right there. Not with us, you know, but it was just the city was crazy. Isn't Juarez like one of, if not the craziest part of Mexico? In 93, it was as well? In 93, it was pretty wild. Right.

We couldn't even go like trick or. treating or nothing like that, you know. Can't even trick-a-treat? Well, we couldn't, you know. They wouldn't let us. Like, nah, don't go out there. You know, people are dying right now, you know? Wait, people were just getting shot left and right or what?

Yes. Oh, really? Well, I was a kid, though. I had nothing to do with that, you know? Okay. Once I became from a neighborhood, you know, I became from El Rio Chiquis. It's located in the Oxnard. There's a lot of barros right there.

There's only Mexicans, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And coming up, I was pretty normal, you know what I mean? I was always known for gang banging, you know? And then I started coming out on the newspaper. Like one time I came out on the newspaper, I'll tell you how the story went. Okay. And then the newspaper said that the police prevented a shooting, right?

And that's documented I can show you. We're pulling up to some fools, which we don't. Some food pulled out a strap on us. What age are you? I'm already a parolee. In this story? Yeah, I'm already a parolee, you know what I'm saying? What's that mean?

I'm already like in my 20s. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? But if you want to go back to it, like junior high and all that. Oh, tell us the story, though. Yeah. Well, we're already right there, and I picked up my hombo from school.

He was like, yeah, I beat up some rivals foos to Kaili. I picked him up, and then we've seen another rival, pulled out a strap on us. So then we went to go get a strap, and we went looking for him. Instead of finding him, we found other fools. Mahombo gets off the, like, he hits off the car, and when he jumps out with the burner, the hurrah comes. So he gets back in the car I take off like another street

Maybe two He jumps out starts running And they made it seem like we were gonna shoot somebody You know what I mean? So they stopped you and then that qualified As stopping a shooting in the media and whatnot Okay interesting So wait

Did you end up just joining the gang That was like the block that you lived on Or what was that selection process like? So I ended up moving When I was like 10 years old to our neighborhood called the Rio right, to the subsection island it's an Oxnard. And I just chose

to be from there, you know? And then I moved to the enemieshood. Well, I moved to the Hill Street side of Oxnard, but all the Coronia Chiquis, which is the rivals, shout out to the rivals, you know, they had it on lock. I'm talking about 100 Fuzers walking around, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, wow. 20 here, 20 there, 15 over there. They were always in groups. Five, mommy and cars, you know, so. And you're young, but you are You just moved to this neighborhood. I just moved there. And they know you're from somewhere else. Well, at first, like the little kids, you know, like I got scared.

I'm not going to lie at first, at that age. You know what I'm saying? And I stopped for like a year. And then I came back when I was in junior high, you know, when I was in junior high. And then I started recruiting my own little homeboys. And as I grew a little bit older, we started doing little head and runs, you know. And I was like pretty much the opposition, yeah. And so resistance.

What was like going on between? these sets? Was it mostly like shootings or was it just people fighting and shit at that time? Everything goes. Everything goes. There was people getting, you know, like, that neighborhood right there is pretty big, you know? So they were pulling up on people like, stand deep. And if they catch you strolling by yourself, you're done. They'll hit you whatever, you know. There was a lot of shootings, you know, even homie shooting at the cops. There was a lot of that. It was, you know. Wow. You're freaking me out because at one point, me and my girl realized that the beaches, In Ventura, you could bring your dog there, or at least so we thought.

We've had a couple of people tell us, like, get your fucking dog out there. But we figured that out. So we've been going to Ventura to go to the beach once in a while. And I didn't really know that there was anything going on around there. Oxnard. Oxnard is where it's at. Well, Ventura, they have a hood, too, you know? Okay.

But I'm talking about Oxnard in the 90s. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it's like that right now, but there's still gun clappers out there, you know? Oh, okay. So I should watch some YouTube documentaries before I go anywhere. I'm not saying that. You know where you're going to trip on you? Like one of the things about Oxnard is that we trip on each other.

Right. You know what I'm saying? You don't fuck with tourists? If you're an out-of-towner, it doesn't matter if you're a gang member from out of town. Like, let's say they pull up on your wee from, mommy, and you're from another hood out of town. They're not interested. No, they're going to say, hey, I've seen you with those Norteznoz. They're going to say, we love lefty gunplay.

Fuck you, Adam. I don't know, you know what I'm saying? No, I like lefty-gunplay, but, you know. Shout out to Lefty Gunplay, you know what I'm saying? when it comes to the Norteños, the way I did my time, I don't talk bad about the Norteños. Okay.

Because as a man, I respect other men that have respect, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, if they're over here acting like kids and disrespecting, we'll f*** them, you know? But as far as the Nortezo's goals, I don't talk bad about them because they showed me nothing but solid, you know?

And I've been with them in the yard where they're killing people. Well, it's kind of weird because it's like, if you had him into prison slash didn't have the internet, You wouldn't even know about them. They're like seven hours away up there, right? We've heard of them.

We've heard of them. Right, you hear about it. But it's not like, it's not something that's in your face because it just doesn't really exist down here. So it's kind of weird. Like some people feel so strongly about it. And I feel like that's the impression that I get from the North, the Northerners is like, why are these dudes talking about us so much? Like, we don't even see them. You know?

The Northerners? That's kind of the vibe that I feel like I've gone from them. They have. But that's always where you're going to say when someone's talking about you, right? You're going to be like, oh, why are you so obsessed with me? you're obsessed with me. That's what people always love to say. We don't even talk about them like that, though, you know?

We don't even talk about them like that. But when I do talk about them, I show respect. You know what I'm saying? I'm not like one of these other people that don't show respect, which is that's on them, you know? Me, I show respect because I know if I go up north and I get caught, they'll kill me. I used to work up there.

I used to work in Stockton, Vallejo, all that, you know? But I show respect. I show respect because when I was in the main lane, they had respect for me, so I have respect for them. And the door's cracked, it was a different story. You know what I'm saying? What do you mean? The door is cracked?

I grew up in prison when there was war with them. You see what I'm saying? So when there's war, you grow respect for your enemies, you know what I'm saying? And they were putting it down. We were putting it down. And I can't say we won. I can't say they won, you know what I'm saying? Because there was a lot of violence, you know?

I got to a yard after a homie got killed, you know? Like, it was pretty hectic. So for me to come over here and disrespect them, that's just not me. I got the homies back, though, you know? I'm a Sureno, you know? And as far as that, that's what I'm going to say, you know? What about on the streets? Could you just be buddy-buddy?

Like, all right, super hypothetical, but say that you get done this interview and there's just like a guy wearing all red and northern who's just like waiting out there for his interview after this, which is not the case. And he was just like, oh, dude, I fuck with you. I watched me your YouTube videos. Can we get a photo?

Is that awkward? Look, look, I don't think that. that would ever happen because they're really not out here, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And I would not set you up like that. I'm not tripping if you did. You know, if anybody wants it and they want it and that's that guy, you know. But what I'm saying is like, I'm at an age and on my mind, I'm not tripping on none of them.

Maybe when I was young, 18, 16. If I would have seen one, I probably would have plugged them, you know? But nowadays, I don't even care about none of that because they're all rasa at the end of the day. that's the way I see it But everybody is different That's the central problem Of all the street shit Is that we need to make people

View themselves as part of As humans Or even maybe if not humans As their race You know like that's okay Like if everybody just kind of like Looks out for everybody that they You know

With or that they grew up around or whatever That's like not the worst thing in the world But then once you take that and you splinter up Every race into like Oh no there's gonna be like a hundred different gang and you're all going to want to kill each other. That's like the worst case possible situation. Everybody is different and grows up different.

You know what I'm saying? And some people just never grow out of it. You know what I'm saying? So to me it's all business. If I get locked up right now, I'm going to talk to them. If they pull up, I'm going to shoot them a care package. And I'll never disrespect them when the doors are closed. You know what I'm saying?

If business is business and I have to fight them or whatever, then that's just business to me. You know what's interesting is that a bunch of the Chicago gang dudes or whatever. Like they've kind of started to do podcasts where they're like sit down and have a conversation with somebody that they're technically supposed to be ops with. And there's been situations where it's like somebody sitting down with somebody else where like, do you know for a fact that this dude's brother killed this other dude's brother?

And they've actually been able to come together and like show growth and do podcasts together and stuff like that. Well, actually the one I'm thinking of there is kind of hypothetical. But do you think we ever see a podcast where you had like Northerners and Serrano sitting down together? I mean, it's happened before, no. Oh, really? Wasn't Gold Tolls with one of your workers with the ICON, shout out to Icon. Gold Toes sat down with ICON? Okay.

I think so. There you go. I'm not sure. I can't stamp it, but I see in a picture. That makes sense. But yeah, he's older. That's like, he's kind of like fully gone into the businessman category. So it doesn't matter.

He's from there, you know? At the end of the day, which you're saying, that's how they correlate, you know, I'm saying? Because he's from there. And the other one is from there, too, you know, so from here. Interesting. Okay. But so going back to.

you're growing up and everything a little bit. So throughout high school, like, do you graduate high school or what was that? I got my GED in Arizona, a prison in Arizona. Oh, okay. So when do you actually first get locked up then? At 15. 15. 15.

But look, before I go on, I want to say that I've been hearing a lot about Kendrick Lamar, right? That's his name, right? Yeah. And I'm one of the trolos that he posted on his Instagram. Did he? Yes. I'm the second slide. Oh, wow.

I'm the second slide on the Cholos. Wendy posted on his burnout account. He has a burner account. I didn't even know that. Yeah. Really? Wow. So what?

He was just posting a bunch of scenic images or? He posted people that inspired him how to dress or I don't know. I don't know. You have to ask him, you know, but he posted me. That's me right there. Wow, that's badass. Second slide, Cholo won. That's interesting.

Because that's the same dude that people have been getting on his ass saying he didn't show enough Mexican love at the concert. I mean, everybody thinks different. friend, you know what I'm saying? Right. I don't care about none of that. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So love. There's homies right there. Surreano, someone Surrenao. I'm right there. Posted on his Instagram. I'm still there. To this day, I just checked it earlier. Oh, really?

And that's love. You know? That's dope for sure. But, okay. So did you, did you graduate? You said you graduated in Arizona. You caught a case when you're 15. Yes.

That's when you first got locked up. What was that about? That was just, brandishing a weapon. That was nothing, you know. When I was a juvenile, I didn't really catch no hard cases. When I was 18, I started getting arrested with a lot of guns. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? And then when I was, when I was 26, that's when I caught my big, big case. Before that, 19, 20, 21, 22, all the way to 26, I was in and out of prison doing violations. 10 months, 11 months, 11 months, then get busted with another burner, another year, 13 months, you know. And then finally, when I really changed my mind, you know, I paroled from Folsom. I was an old Folsom where they made that movie. And when I got out, I got involved with the crew of criminals that the DA said got together to tax all the gang. in my area, in my county, right?

That's on the newspaper, too. And was that true? Oh, I mean, I got convicted of it. I'm not going to say here and say it was true, you know? So how did the DA? The DA said it was true. Right. And that's all I could say, you know?

Uh-huh. And then what made it interesting is that the DA tried to make it seem like it was a transnational case. Uh-huh. So basically they connected us to Mexico. and they said that we were doing, they said that the crew was doing, trying to rob pharmacies and stuff like that,

sell drugs, tax foods, to get a certain amount of money to help a cartel member get out. Well, that's what makes it interesting, you know? Wow. So that's why, um... And you can't comment about the validity of any of those allegations? Well, the newspaper,

is right there. Anybody wants to read the newspaper is there. I'm not going to stay here and dive into it and later and get in trouble. But so, okay, for sure. You don't understand what I say? You don't got to admit anything, but just tell me, is this a common thing that happens is that there could be a whole neighborhood, all different types of gangs, a bunch of different drugs selling going on, and then like a bigger organization can kind of be like, hey, you're all giving us 20%. Well, I don't know none about that. All I know is that in my indictment, it was 27 people. And all of us, I'm not going to say all of us, but a bunch of us were for a bunch of different gangs. You know, it was a gang indictment.

So you all just came together to just tax all these money? That's what the DA was saying. You know, that's what the DA was saying. And I got arrested for extorting this one dude, right? Uh-huh. He was running from some other people, some Mexican nationals that were trying to smoke them according to the paperwork. Right? And he came to me for protection. Okay.

So he had got caught with like $40,000-something thousand dollars older in Portland. And he broke for the FBI. But then he was double-daping. He was still being a criminal while being an informant for them. Oh, wow. And that's who I got caught for taxing. But he came to me, though. He said he wanted.

Yeah, he asked you for protection. So you figure out how much you think. I was just trying to be a nice guy. Right. But then how did, so then even, so he goes and tells the FBI, hey, this guy, Cholowan. You don't tell them nothing, right? Tripon. He don't tell him nothing.

She keeps a hit in. But then when I dove into the, pretty much for what I did, it was already a big ass wiretap. There was two wiretaps on us. The FBI and the state. The state will be like the multitask agency. All the sheriffs, all the PDs with the DA put together. into one agency and just, bam, one group, and just targeting all of us. Wow, that sucks.

Getting, I was on the wiretap, so they were, the judge has to sign it. Then they listened to you, and they were following me everywhere, you know? Oh, really? So they were watching everything. Damn. Okay, so then what happens after that? What happens after that? Yeah, how many years did you get?

They gave me 11 years, and I did five and some change. I don't even count the months, you know what I'm saying? Okay. I did five years straight, five years straight, some months, you know? Uh-huh. I've been to a bunch of level fours. I've been to New Delano, 09, High Desert, 2010,

and then I've been to Calipater in 2015. I've been to a bunch of level three, too, you know? And so while you're locked up, and you'd already done a few bids before that and everything, but while you're locked up for those five years, oh shit, here we go. It's like a sponsor, like with those billboards that you see that, like, you're changing the image.

it's all right. You don't have to show love. You don't got to get to love. I'll fuck with it, man. But when you're watching, or what the fuck was I'll say, oh, when you get in there and you're doing those five years,

are you like getting deeper into the street shit? Or is it kind of like a wake-up call? When I did my five years, I kind of went like this. I was kind of going down. Like when I first went in a 19, that's when I basically became a hard and criminal. Okay.

I don't think I was a hardcore criminal when I first went in the 19. But I think by the second, third time I was already in prison, I was already paroleing, like, trying to do the most, you know? And prison messed me up. So I blamed the judge for ruining my life. Really? Yeah, he could have gave me a county time. Right.

Could have gave me county time, you know? But he thought that you were particularly f*** up? Well, I wanted to go to prison, so I didn't take the deal they gave me, like 270 days. And I went to prison, but he could have stopped that. You thought that prison would be kind of tight. It would add to your image. I'm a gang member. I'm young.

I'm a teenager, you know? I want to go to prison. You know? All the homies think about like, hey, you know, prison, prison, this, this, and there. So I used to, I used to be a fanatic. Right. I mean, I see that too, where, like, people wear that shit like a badge of honor. What lefties say?

Was C-Mack and Pelican Bay? Was C-Mack and Pelican Bay? Hey, that's his claim to fame. He'd been in a more hardcore prison than Crimack. I mean, something. Not to make this into a lefty thing, I'm just saying. Yeah, nah, shut out to lefty, you know. He, I'm not here to talk bad about no homies, you know?

For sure. I don't do that, you know? I look at all the interviews the homies do. I find inconsistencies here and there from some of them. Okay. But I'm not here to talk about that because, hey, if that's a claim to fame, it is what it is, you know? No, I respect it, for sure. But, okay, so those five years, you said you were going down.

Like my mentality. You were getting more and more fucked up. No, no, no. My mentality, when I first went in at 19, I got messed up. I started thinking, like, you know what? I'm just going to become the worst criminal I could ever become. You know what I'm saying? Get out, try to organize a borough, you know what I'm saying?

That's what type of time I was on. But then when I got indicted and I was facing life, they put me at this place called the dungeon, right? And the dungeon is like underground. you know, and I was there two years, four months. And when I was right there, I started reflecting on everything I did my life. And I was like, man, if they let me out, I'm probably never coming back, you know? And that's when it started, like, changing my mind.

And at the end of the day, I became a positive person, you know? Everything I'm talking about I used to do when I was younger. It's just documented, you know what I'm saying? So why not? If lefty claims it, why can I claim it? You see what I'm saying? If lefty claims it, why can I claim mine? Oh, yeah, for sure.

You know what I'm saying? What if I get famous? after this. What if I get a chick? Oh, yeah. But you're saying claim like your background. Right. Your background. No, definitely. I mean, because I've seen gang members who haven't

been to prison and it's kind of like at a certain point they're going to use that against you. Like, maybe not right now as long as they're cool with you, but as soon as you got a little bit of a disagreement, I know people who have never been in the county and it's like that's just like a weak spot. Like they're going to use that against

you when it comes down to it like because they feel like you haven't really like proved that you can fit in in that environment. Shout out to everybody, right? But to me, if you ain't ever been in a prison but you're successful, hey, respects to you, don't have to go to prison, you know what I'm saying? I know a lot of homies will make it seem like you do have to go to prison, you know what I'm saying? But if you're being successful and you're living a happy life, and you're in a place where you can help others, just help others.

Right. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to dive into all of that. You know, look at us, the ones that really went over there and really lived it, you know? I've talked about jail and prison so much on this podcast over the years. You want to go home? I'm not saying I want to go. TBD, I'm going to keep my ballot sealed for the time being.

But I'm just saying like it would be so weird and ironic if I actually did ever end up, even if it was for a couple nights or whatever, it would just be so weird because I've been manifesting it for all these years on here. You've never been a jail. I've been. County jail. downtown Manhattan lockup for 24 hours So to be honest with you

It's probably like No Mexican solar? Nah, pretty much black guys and weird white dudes I was in there with like eight BMX dudes So we were just like our own little pack Luckily nobody gave us a hard time or anything But I definitely made eye contact with some dudes While they were taking shits

I mean it was like a room probably about as big as this With probably 30 dudes in it It was gross This is how big the cages used to be in prison for the hole. Right. So when you're in the hole, you come out with the white boys, you know, with the white men. And there's like 20, 30 of us. There's four people in the front facing everybody else and anybody else facing them and working out.

Sounding out loud, you know. The white boys treat you good in there? Huh? We're cool with them. Okay. Yeah. They come out with us. They used to come out with us.

They used to program with us. Were you actually cool with them? You were cool with them, but did you actually think that they were dorks? To be honest, at first, right? When I first went in, to me it was like, it's all about the gang. It's all about who we're with, the Mexican people from down south, you know? But then later on, like after 10 years in prison, you know what I'm saying? Like, you just start respecting everybody, you know what I'm saying?

Would you rather be in a cell full of white dudes or a cell full of black dudes? I'd rather be, to be honest with you, I'd rather be outside eating some tortas, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, you know, like, prison, this thing, like, I already did my time. I don't want to go back. Definitely. If I have to, I will. But you really don't want to answer that question?

In a self-world. Would you rather be all white dudes or all-black dudes? No, I've been in, like, I've been in places like high desert. Okay. Or I've been in places where there's a lot of African-Americans, you know. White boys, there's not really that many, you know. We stay to our own. They stick to themselves, you know, and it's all about respect.

I feel like they're either going to be like tweaked out meth heads or like full-scale white nationalists. What am I going to gain out of being in a cell with other races, though? I'd rather be in a cell with all my races, you know, with all the Mexicans. Definitely. Okay, so then you end up getting out after like five and a half years. Yes. What is the game plan? How long ago is that?

I got out in December 2017. Okay. And I was on, I was on parole for 16 years. Since the first time I got out on parole, since the first time I got on parole, I can never shake it until the 16 year. You know, so when I got out, I was on parole for four years on GPS. So they were following me everywhere, bro. I went square when I got out. So I started working, you know, just doing landscaping, construction, anything I could, you know?

And when I hear podcasters from the ross out talking about dropouts, that doesn't count, right? Dropouts? Yeah, they're always talking about dropouts. It's like it's the worst thing in the world. But that's like you have to leave the gang to be a dropout. No, no, no, no, no. If you just get a job, is that show? Nah, nah, ain't nobody going to call me a dropout, you know what I'm saying?

I welcome you to call me a dropout. I'm not saying that. I'm just talking about what I see them talking about. If they want, if anybody want issues with me, you know what I'm just not a dropout, so it doesn't really matter, you know. But you could do you, you can move on, you know? You can move on. You know, I still go to the hood, you know, but I'm not obligated to go and present myself, you know, Whenever I want to go, yeah, I go.

Anybody in their right mind is going to outgrow that shit. Right? Right. But, I mean, there's some hardcore fools, you know? Right. I'm not going to lie. There's some homie that just don't care. Shout out to them, though.

It's crazy because coming from a New York perspective, where I live for like seven, eight years throughout my 20s, it's like, that is such a culture of hanging out outside your apartment, you know, like a normal Friday night. You're like getting some beers and like sitting on the stoop with your friends, just hanging out on the block and shit. And that was just like so nice. normal in that area. I just have never had that kind of experience out here because in L.A. it seems like people are just more like inside. Like it's way more normal to stay inside your own spot.

Yeah, I mean, it changed from the 90s to the 2000s, you know? But to answer your question, I'm going to say like this. When the podcasters stay dropout, they're talking about prison stuff. You know what I'm saying? I try to look everybody as a human being. But if you messed up, you missed up, don't come back to the hood. Right. You know what I'm seeing? I got to keep it real. Right. You know what I'm seeing? If you messed up and you dropped out, don't come back to the hood because there's nothing good there for you. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And that's all I got to say, you know? But that's what a dropout is. If you're trying to get a job and live happily ever after, there's nothing wrong with that. Right. Matter of fact, I got two strikes. You know what I'm saying? I got two strikes and I'm trying to just work.

Matter of fact, I work for a local 585. Somebody called a hall because they're not giving me a job right now. You know what I'm saying? What's the 580? 85 is my local. It's the union. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And so they, like, are in charge of bringing you work and shit? Yeah, they look for work for you, you know what I'm saying? But I've been on that list for like three months and still no job. And really? Nothing. I got unemployment, though, so. Damn, that's fucked up. We could, we good.

Those immigrants come over and take all the jobs, right? Oh, shit. It's all good. It's all good. We can share. Man, no, man. Vla Rasa. And it's just not immigrants from Mexico. You know, it's from all over the world.

Well, now that come from all over the world to get in through the Mexican border. I know a Russian girl who, she wanted to come to America so she flew to Mexico and just came through. And she said that when she got to the border, that the guy just looked confused to the shit. She's like, I'm from Russia. He's like, okay, come on in? Like,

he was mind blown. Look, look, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't mean to change the subject, right? But since you brought up G-Face. I don't know what G-Face, but check it out. I brought him up before we were filming, I think, just for the record. Before, before we were filming? Yeah, but that's all right.

Okay. So anyways, well, my bad. My bad for... Oh, it's all good. My right for spreading the beans. I'm trying to get you to talk about immigration. Did somebody say, hey, but look, check it out, though. Look, there's this famous gangbanger, right?

From my area. This fool, I was in Wascoe reception center with this dude. This dude was respectful, known, and he's been around the game for a long time. He calls out this dude with knives. the other dude didn't want to run it I see it right outside my door and I'm like damn this fool hey respects to this fool

everywhere I go fast forward 2012 I'm in the county jail he's wearing a wire on me he's wearing a wire on me and all my cold defendants I had 27 code defendants The guy who turned down this fade

With someone else The guy that called Oh the guy who was like the shock collar Nah no no I'm not I never said he was a shot car He was a respected homie Yeah that's two different things.

Sorry. Yeah. I'm getting too specific. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's its own thing. Yeah, gotcha. So this food, you know, he's wearing a wire and he got the whole whole area, you know, not the whole borrero indicted, you know, he got a bunch of us indicted,

you know? Wow. And he read it on a bunch of people, bro. So he gets out, right? He moves to Wisconsin and he gets indicted over there and tells him a bunch of other Sudeanos for Wisconsin. because they didn't know, they don't know him, you know what I'm saying? And recently I heard that he passed away.

Oh, wow. But usually when they say that somebody passed away after being a rat, they're usually in witness protection. Really? You know what I'm saying? It's Chuckie Cheebies, just for those that know the story. That's his name? They call them Cheebies, yeah.

And you say because I brought up G-Face or whatever, just because it reminds you of him? It reminds me. Oh, okay. When you brought up G-face and what they're accusing them of doing, it reminds me of that rat. Right, because somebody, I don't want to necessarily say, who, but somebody's girlfriend was just sending me information saying that...

Let me see it. No, I'm just fucking, I'm fucking. No, she was sending me information saying that this dude that we know who's locked up right now is claiming that G-Face wore a wire on him, which I can't actually prove or anything, but she's apparently going to try to send me the paperwork about that. Okay, well, speaking of rats, there's this one dude. I don't want to say what organization he belonged to or, claimed or whatever because I don't want to get in trouble pretty much.

Okay. So I'm going to leave it at that. But his name is Boxer Enriquez. Okay. Renee Enriquez. He's a famous rat. Okay. He testified against me.

Oh, really? Yeah. Saying that you did what? He would get some headphones, a laptop, and listen to all our phone calls on the wiretaps. Uh-huh. Yeah, and he got on the stand. It's a grand jury. He got on the stand, and he just went over there and exposed to everything.

And he wasn't a cop, but he had access to listen. since all these wiretaps? He's an inmate. Okay. This inmate, he's a famous inmate. If you Google him, you're going to know who he is.

You know what I'm saying? He's a real famous inmate, a killer, you know what I'm saying? And this guy right there, like, he testified on me. Oh, shit.

He told. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. So when you get out in 2017, what do you start doing? You're on probation, right? Parole.

Parole for like four years, you said. Matter of fact, fuck my parole agent 20 weeks fuck you what's this that stuff

I don't want it on the air it's a it's a book written by the guy who's snitched on you oh it's written about him the bloodied rise and redemption of boxer Enriquez

and holy shit and he told on you what's the fuck now you're out here getting books written about just just blur out the organization you know because I don't want no trouble with that

okay I didn't show it no no no no no but I'm just saying like yeah yeah on the audio but yeah that that dude right there told on me wow that's what makes me like one of because I used to rap you know I have music out there but he never went nowhere maybe now I will you know but I'm trying to like blow up my podcast and that's what makes me my opinion valid to a lot of people you know because I've been through some of those things that I already told you and a lot of this foos I was one of those jailbirds like not just

respect to the homies that got busted one time, got out, and then just changed their life or just never went back. I was back every year. I was back every year, 2005, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. I got out in 17. I was busted every year. When you look back of that, though, was it like you were self-destructive and you refused to change your life to be able to fit in in society, or was it just like you needed to keep a strap on you and you just kept getting caught with it? I was from a big time in Rio gang, so I had to just, you know, that's the way you live. Yeah. You know, I didn't want to be one of those homeboys on the sidelines.

I didn't want to be one of those homeboys that, they, no disrespect to them, like I said. You know, if they change their life, they teach their life. You know, they came now. Yeah. But when I was younger, I wanted to be one of the dudes, you know. Right. One of the boys on the block, you know. And that's unfortunate because it's like almost everybody I talked to, it feels like they go through that period in their teens or their 20s where they want to prove themselves and they want to, you know, go to prison.

hurt people, do crimes, make shitloads of money in theory, like selling drugs or whatever. And then by the time they arrive, like, right around in the 30s is usually when they're like, all right, you know what? I'm going to chill out and try to like have a little bit more of a normal life. It's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. And it's addictive, you know? It's addictive lifestyle.

And when you're living in it, you like, you don't want to let go, you know. You want to more and more and more and more. And finally, when you get older, yeah, of course, you know. Those fortunate few that get out, like myself, I was facing life. I could have got live, you know. I was facing two life sentences. I'm fortunate to be out. Of course I'm going to take advantage of my freedom.

Right. You know, of course I'm going to enjoy life because I already lived in there for too long, you know. I've been in the four yards with all the killers, you know. Matter of fact, I just got out from Red Band in Ventura County, April 21st, you know, and I was right there with all the homies facing murder. You went back in recently. That was just for some low-level stuff, like personal stuff. I broke some windows, slashed some tires, you know what I'm saying?

So you're wilding? Well, you know, it's just like, I'm not doing heavy crimes like I used to do before. Right. But I'm still that one guy. Right. You know what I'm saying? Just because I'm trying to be normal, like, I'll call you out with a knife. Like, what's up?

Right. If that's how far you want to take it. Right. You know, like, I got, I got, you know. Oh, shit, that was from a knife fight. I'm not going to say all that, you know. Oh, shit. They doffing me, you know?

Oh, what? They snaked on me, you know? That was while you were locked up? That was on the streets. Oh, wow. They snaked on me, you know, some coward moves, you know? But that's type of man I am, you know? I'll give you a knife if you want to really take you that way.

I have a question that I actually don't know the answer to yet, and I feel like it's very important for me to, like, understand you throughout all these years? Are you getting fucked up? Oh, on drugs? either or alcohol or drugs No When I went Yes and no

When I was gang banged yes When I got indicted for the big case No I was sober Okay I needed to think Because when you're talking about like Going back to jail Year after year

If you're doing that sober That sounds like bad luck Or maybe you just like Didn't really know on the move But if you're saying you were getting drunk And f*** up I'm like that Totally explains it

I'm gonna let you know like this Look Like I said it's a lifestyle So I was the type of a homie to not care about my freedom and be on the block even though my parole conditions say you can't be on this block otherwise we're going to give you a year right so if you're going to give me a year might as well be strapped you know what I'm saying on the block with the homies where where else am I going to go when I was younger you know what I'm saying and that's why I was getting busted all those times

it would have killed you to just be on the couch uh it would have killed you to just be on the couch I mean, now it won't, but back then, like, what type of active gang member were you, you know? Right. But when it comes down to, like, street creditor or prison crater or whatever, all these rappers, you know, they want, that's what I was living. You know, that's how you do it. You know, so everybody's different. Every borough is different. Some of Marreras just make ferea, that's how we were doing it in my hood, you know, just posted on the block.

Definitely. types of crams. So, all right, but when you get out that, the most recent time or whatever, like, what did you decide you wanted to do with all this energy you have about you? Like, who kind of put you on the podcast and YouTube and all that type of shit? I was podcasting for a couple years, and I got up to 100,000 views in a few videos with my little platform, and I was kind of like one of the first ones, not the first one, but I was one of the first five, you know, and right now I'm just trying to blow it up, put it on steroids,

and just get paid for me, you know? Definitely. I mean, okay, I'm not going to lie. I was watching your channel with, it was like a video of you just kind of like posted up in a backyard talking, and there was just the craziest sound effects I had ever heard in a YouTube video over the story. Like something suspenseful would happen, and it would be like, and it would be so much louder than the actual, like, talking in the video.

Where did that come from? That is, like, one of the craziest things I've ever seen on YouTube. The way I do my YouTube is the way I lived in prison. Okay. You know what I'm saying? If I'm laughing with the homies in prison, I'm saying, that's the same thing I'm doing on YouTube. You know? And I'm giving my perspective on the reactions or whatever,

and I'm just trying to show people that I'm trying to live a normal life after all the stuff that I went through. Right. You know? And the sound effects, I mean, that's just me being funny, you know? Okay. Hey, I respect it. It's just definitely some crazy shit.

So where do you actually stay at now, if you can say? Oxnard. Oxnard. So you kind of come full circle. That's just where you feel the most at home? Well, that's the city, you know? I mean, where else am I going to go? Bakersfield's too hot.

I mean, a lot of fucking places out here are too hot at a time like that. Right now, holy shit I was just down in Temecula? Moneculele? It's hot. Way too hot. Saw out to F.C.M. The homie F.C.M.

He's from over there, you know? Okay. Definitely. So, okay. I saw you talking about, or there was a video that I saw that you made basically talking to Chito Ranas. Huh?

That I was talking to Chito or talking about him. Talking about him. About him. Yeah, I've talked about him a few times. Right. And there was many. of a Carrido about him. Accurrito, yeah, yeah.

Did I say that? Was that Temecula? Corrito. There wasn't a Temecula, right? I don't know. I don't know. I forgot it wasn't the I. Okay.

When I say shout out to F.K. I mean, I meant the I.E. Okay. Definitely. But, like, can you explain the process of, like, writing a song for somebody for me? I didn't write the song. Okay. Right?

It was the homie IDK. That's his name. Right. He wrote a. song but the process is just learn a little bit about something and just write it down i could do that you want a corrido at him yes yes i got you yes and so then what would i do i might just drive around listening to that and like especially if i pick up a girl or something i'd be like well listen to this this is a fucking song by a gangster motherfucker talking about how bad ass i am yeah yeah shut up bitch

and listen to this song so so what you're gonna do just hook me up with the vanda and i'll be right there. What's up Banya? Like the people that are going to record the video, you know, like the music. So you would write it, though? I'll write it, though. I'll write it. What kind of shit would you say? Does it got to be real stuff? I mean, I'll just have to like think about it. You know what I mean? Sit back for two, three weeks, you know, and really study you and then just come up with whatever I come up with. And this is like... Shout out to Lina the plug. See? There you go. She got to be part of it. I got a dog named Ralphie too. Ralphie? I don't know about Ralphie. I don't know about Ralphie. You're not going to make it. I got, well, maybe that might be true because he is like, goddamn handicapped.

He can't see shit. I throw the ball. He does not chase the ball. No, but I'll do a currie. Okay. But so, this is the thing I think from what I heard is that, like, gang lords, Mexican, like, drug lord type dudes. They are really into this shit. They'll get people to write these songs about them.

Yes and no. Basically, if you admire someone so much, you do the courri-a for them, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And sometimes they don't even know. you. You were here writing corridos like that one guy, he has so much respect for Chito Ranas. He wrote him the Corridorado.

Right. Chito Ranas don't reply. He didn't respond. No, we hit him up a few times. I don't think, I don't know if he goes on Instagram or not, you know what I'm saying? Well, maybe he's... Now if he sees this, hit me up, Big Doug, because we got a Corridor for you.

What if he's so far up north there that he don't even know about it? This. He doesn't understand why this would be cool. I don't think he's up north. He don't give a fuck about that? Who's that? Chito. Well, he's from, like, up there, right? He likes Corridos.

Oh, he does? You know that? Yeah, that's a fact. There's no way you couldn't like it. You got to respect it. Yeah. Nice. That's why I would accept it.

The Corridor, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to turn that shit down. Hell yeah, write a fucking song about me. That's badass. You didn't have to pay for the Randa, though. What's that? The music.

See, I'm one of those guys where I need every single Spanish word. Can I say it? Yeah, I got no fucking clue. I'm pretty sure you got some Mexican heinous to, you know, explain it to you? Yeah, but they don't try to speak Spanish to me. They're all whitewashed as fuck, yeah. Just listen to it. You have fun.

I got you. A little dead Janet ain't trying to talk Spanish to me. I don't know if she does with her parents or anything, but no, that is, okay, that's a funny thing. When I lived in Long Beach, there used to be this fucking Mexican chick that I was chilling with, and, like, I didn't realize until I, like, kind of dropped her off one night, and I realized, like, oh, shit, she lives in, like, a whole Mexican household. like her mom is in there cooking all day and stuff

and once in a while she would come over and she'd be smelling like all the fucking food that her mom had been making all day and that was kind of like Mexican food? Fuck yeah but all of a sudden I felt like oh shit like this girl's she's really tapped in she's not just out here just you know because where I'm from it's like you could be any

fucking race and it doesn't really tell you that much about what kind of person you want. There's no Mexicans over there on. Hell no. I grew up around a really not that impressive gang called the Dominican the Dominican Kings. D.K. They used to tag that shit on people's houses in downtown Nashville. It was a big deal.

Respect to them. I mean, hopefully they're still around. Hopefully they're still doing their thing. I don't know. If I had to guess, I would say they probably got absorbed in something else. So they speak Spanish. They're Latinos. Yeah, they're like Dominican and Puerto Rican and shit.

I don't know if that was an actual, like, real thing that extended beyond, like, when I was in high school. I hope they're still doing the thing. Shout out to them, you know. We got you on the Corridor for sure. Chito Ranas, if you check out this interview. and we got a corrido for you. I'm going to send you a message. Matter of fact, after the interview, so open it.

Dope. Okay, I wanted to ask you about this. What is the beef with Haterworld? Hater World? Yeah. I saw him talking about you and saying that he feels like you're thirsty for his attention. Okay, so Hater World and me, we had an issue about maybe like a year ago, 10 months ago. Okay.

Right? It was a misunderstanding at the end of the day. And I pretty much, I pretty much said, he didn't want to meet up. He didn't want to meet up at the end of the day. You were trying to squabble. I'm not going to be here going back and forth with anyone without meeting up. That's why I'm not talking bad about nobody. Because if I do, I'll take it to whatever level they want to take it.

But I don't want to get into all that. You see what I'm saying? I don't know how it got there between me and him. but when it did, I try to meet up. It didn't happen. And now, he made a video saying that, I made a video saying, you know what, if I see you, I'm going to shake your hand

and take it from there. So that was my way of, if I see you, like, or try to meet up or something, so the cops don't see this video as threatening or whatever, right? Okay. He makes a video saying whenever he sees me, or if I see him, his security guards will centralize me.

So I never took him serious after that. He's rolling around with security. That's what he said on that video. Later on, he tried to clean it up. But shout out to haters world. Do you respect that? Small-time YouTubers with security cards. I mean, hey, anything could happen.

You at the very least, you need a big homie with a strap, falling you around when you at the party. It is what it is, you know? If you got 30,000 subscribers, you need a 50-old. Well, see, there you go. Then he definitely need a blick man by a side. Blown me up. This is Cholo Juan, C-H-O-L-J-U-A-N,

follow me on YouTube. That way. On hood. Put that in the YouTube short. On hood. On hood. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

But, okay, so it's not that serious with him. Nah, like, I don't think anything on the internet is serious enough for me to, like, pursue it. Right. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, he has his show to make, he has to entertain his people. if he talked bad about me, it is what it is. If it continues, then obviously there's a problem, but I'm not going to take it serious because he's not going to want to meet up.

He said it himself, you know? So why even entertain it? But see, this is the same thing that I see playing out on YouTube all the time, is that you'll have the dudes who kind of like get to a level of success, and then there'll be people who are coming up in the ranks, and like the people who are kind of like higher up, like don't want to acknowledge them too much or like don't want to give them too much light

because they don't want to have to necessarily like cast a light on these people and like give them an audience and everything. And then the people who are on the way up are always like, well let's fight. I want to whoop your ass. And then the guys up top, like me or Vlad or academics, we're kind of like, hell no,

I'm not going to meet you up with you in a fucking parking lot and squrat. Of course. You know, it's just not going to happen. But the only difference, right? Gang shit. You owe each other a fade, right? No, no, no.

Me and him, we're homeboys. Oh, you were tight? No, no, we're home boys. Oh, home boys like that. In prison, we roll together. In prison, we'll sell up together. Okay. You see what I'm saying?

So with that being said and established, there's no reason why, you know, if there's an issue, we take care of it. You know what I'm saying? If I call you out, it means nothing to nobody. You know what I'm saying? You're another race. You can ignore it, and it's fine.

Ain't nobody tripping. Right. And I'm saying? If a homie from down south, calls another homie from down south calls them out their podcasts or whatever they can run that faith or they can ignore it you know what I'm saying?

But if you're a homie like why are you going to be talking on this gangster stuff and they ignore it? I'm not talking about the one homie I'm just saying in general. Right. You know? I will say

people fucking love that shit. Like there's been a few different times like down in Texas Rizzo Rizzo and Maxo Creme they had issues They boxed it out in the parking lot. The video wasn't even supposed to come out. It didn't end up coming out.

Oh my God. People loved just so much to see two dudes who are from a state like Texas where we're so used to people shooting each other. And they actually fought in the fucking parking lot. Oh, my God. People were lining up to congratulate them. But that was a fight where neither of them really looked bad. You know? Because it's like if one of them got knocked out, it might have been a different reaction.

I mean, to me a fight is a fight. I can win or lose. You know, you say it doesn't matter. As long as you fight. That sounds good until you get humiliated. It doesn't matter to me. I've been beat up before, you know? Right.

It doesn't do nothing to my pride. Like you never had a video of it go viral. That might be a little different, right? If it's a homie, it's a homie. If it's someone else, you I think so. Boom, fucking knock you in the face. Your whole body goes stiff. You fall backwards.

You crack your head open on the ground. There's blood pouring everywhere. That's what happens when you don't run, people. That's what happens when you don't run. run. If you run, that won't happen to you. I respect that. I respect that so much. It's just, I feel like in reality, if it actually happened to you, holy shit,

that's got to be the worst day. It's okay. Like I said, when you don't run, that's what happens to you. If you run, I mean, obviously, they're not going to catch you, you know? Right. No, yeah, definitely. Um, you just took that from Crip Mac or is that something you've been saying? That's the boy, everything, you know? I am

the Mexican Crip Mag. Oh, see, you're claiming it? I'm claiming. it, daughter. You know, that still... Stamp it. That is the reason why Time stamped that. Me and Lefty have not been cool since we did the interview. Shout out to Crip Mac, free him. I was talking to him yesterday, actually. He's doing great. Call him right now.

Oh, no, he can't call him. I have, like... See, this is the thing, is that I have this fucking phone number, but I don't think I can call that number. Yeah. Otherwise, I would. Especially on, you know... Well, okay. You want to try it? Is that how it works? No, he's in jail. Don't call him.

I'm saying no. communications. Please listen closely as our menu options have changed. A new automated payment system has been added for your convenience. All right. Zero percent chance I'm going to be able to figure that out. So, okay. Of course. But you're just a Krip Mac fan? No, you know what? I respect the dude. I respect the dude. Because he's a vicious ass homeboy, you know, like he went over there and he handled his business. Respect for that man. No, no, he's a great guy. Love that, dude. Um, okay. Where were we? What we've been talking about for the past 20 minutes?

I have no idea. Podcasting. Taking over the media game. Beef, with the god, with the podcasters. Right. Well, how old do you know? I'm 38. I think I'm 38.

It was born 86. Okay. So now you're watching the whole Rasa YouTube world kind of evolve. You got the icons. You got the, uh, shout out to the food community. Yeah, the foods. Shout out to Foods gone wild. You got lush.

You got all these different people doing all this kind of content. Did you see that? and you were like, I want to get up in the mix because you knew that you had a personality and you had a voice? Whenever, at first, when I first got into doing my YouTube channel, I was trying to educate people

because the system did me dirty. A bunch of types of ways, you know what I'm saying? A bunch of different types of ways. And I was just educating people, educating the youngsters, you know, like, hey, don't go tagging in this hood, don't do this, don't catch gang enhancements. Don't do this, don't do that.

And then somehow it just, It just translated into, it transformed into podcasting, you know, and doing reactions and all that. And right now I got 20,000 followers. It's not that much, but it's more than other people. It's real followers, though. Some people buy followers. And I feel like that world online is still coming together. You know, it's like there's still kind of figuring out who's going to be the superstars in that space.

American Cholo. There's Burger Kings for everyone. Shout out to American Cholo. There's Burger Kings for everyone. and there's McDonald's for everyone. You know what I'm saying? There's a bunch of different stores. You don't have to step on each other's toes.

If you don't get along, if you can't work together, work separately. You know what I'm seeing? We're probably not ready to have the conversation yet, but like in hip hop in general, in terms of the media space. It's like we've had a lot of conversations about who's the top three, who's the top five.

It seems like pretty much everybody agrees that number one is like academics or Joe Budden. and then you can kind of figure out whoever else you consider to be near the top in terms of that. But like, who do you consider to be number one top dog when it comes to the Southern California

Rasa podcast? Podcast. Contact creation game. Who's top dog? Look, when I was in county jail back in January, February, right? I was telling all the homeboys, you know, all my homeboys, all the guys from down south, you know.

Look, my goal, is to go to no jumper. You know what I'm saying? That's my goal. Right now, I reach the peak. Now I don't know what to do. It is, you know? So, so besides all that, this is the biggest platform right here. Right.

Who else? There's nobody else. Right, but I'm not a true Rasa, as much as I may want to be. You got some Rasa in here. That's big. Yeah. You know, you got I icon right here. That's pretty big. I see. You're ducking the question. I'm trying to figure out who's the king.

The rasa? I actually don't know. It depends. Look, if you like politics, American Cholo, hands down. Okay. You know what I'm saying? If you like interviews, lucky. Lucky son-soo.

If you like taking your shirt off. Hoodstocks. Hey, I got respect for that homie. He's a man, you know what I'm saying? I have respect for him, too, but he told me to fuck off when I said I wanted to interview him. That's the homie, that's the homie, that's the homie. You know, shout out to Hoodstock. So when you want interviews, hoodstocks.

When you want interviews. want, you know, like, like the political view and all that. Right. From someone from a home, actual homeboy that's been out there working and all that, American Cholo. I feel like those are the two, the best two that there is right now. Of course, there's the full community, but that's like a journalist type of a platform. Icon or his wife.

Full community? Yeah. She's not part of an indicted TV. Yeah, indicted or L.A. icon. She's, she's, uh, indicted. You're going to take her. because she got the stripes. No disrespect to ICON,

but she's been through that, you know? Yeah. She knows what she's talking about. I'm not saying he doesn't. Right. But I feel like she will appeal more to the Hente because ICONs already everywhere else. Right.

You know, I'm not trying to take nothing from him. He's too corporate. No, no, no, no, no. But he's already everywhere else. Right. You know what I'm saying? She got to her own lane right there. She's popping.

I need everybody watching this. tell me your top five Rasa content creators slash podcasters in the space. You guys better say Cholohuan on one of those. Because a rising tide lifts all boats. So this is not hating. This is not division. But if we figure out who's the top dog, then we can kind of figure out, you know, what's going on. How can we figure out getting me a job right here?

Make my own lane. Bring all the Cholos. Wait, so how did you become Cholo Juan? Cholo Juan. Yeah. My name is Maniac. That's my street name. Oh, okay.

They call me Maniac. And growing up, there was this little white boy, you know. He went to school with me, sixth grade, seventh grade, high school, right? And every time he's seen me, my real name is Juan. Juan Roses, Google me. You know, every time he's seen me, he said, Cholo Juan. And later on when I was just, you know, I feel like it was a more of a universal name to use on YouTube. Sounds cool, yeah.

Cholo Juan, Google me. Unless you know where you're dealing with. What's your definition of a Chola, though? Cholo? Yeah. The lifestyle I lived. That's the definition right there. So that lifestyle is in the rear view, though?

Yeah. It is. I mean, like I said, you know, I have a son, so I think of him first. I'm not going to be on the streets, packing heat, trying to get all this authorities to look at my interviews and just go get me. You know what I'm saying? That's not me. I used to do that. I'm proud of what I did, yes,

but I'm also proud of growth and change. You know what I'm saying? That's not me no more. But, I mean, I'm still at risk, you know? If somebody crosses that line, you know? You're still a trophy. I'm not going to say all that, you know? No.

No, I'm not trying to be no trophy. That's a new school slang, though, right? They'll plug you. You didn't say trophy growing up? Nah, you didn't see no trophy, though, you know? You trophied up. Trophy is like a hyena, you know? You know, a trophy.

That's, that's your... You got a hyna? Or you still... You saw Haina shopping. Shout out to my baby's mom. I love her. She almost died when she... I have a...

My son is premature. You know, so she almost died when she gave birth. Wow. And I got a lot of respect for her. I love her, you know? Shout out to her. She always supports me on everything I do. Behind every good cholo is a good woman.

And every other type of man as well. Hands damn. Who's the baddest? chick in the Raza world. Is it Jenny 6.9? I'm going to give it to Jenny 6.9. Jenny 6.9? Let me check. Boom, boom, bloom, bloom, bloom. It depends. Mexico? Mexico?

No, I'm thinking like, so it's Mexico? I can only do American English speaking. Everything else beyond that is kind of outside my realm. I'm going to say either Jenny 6.9 or snow the product. Really? Snore the product, bro. She's not into the product. that you're selling though.

Check it out, though. Check it out, though. I met her. I was at a parking out one day. And you were feeling the vibes? Nah, that ain't as a straight dude, you know, but hey, she looks good. She does, okay, yeah.

She looks good. I just so have her in the carpet muncher category that I don't even think of her like that, yeah. But she's still a woman, you know? She's still beautiful. Yeah. I don't think if there's any other heinous that I could think of that thing, you know?

She could outwrap you, too. Quick. She's very good to wrap. She's the best rapper there is, you know? Rasa female rapper, for sure. Yes. No doubt. Yes.

She's probably pissed off when she gets left out of the conversation about the top rasa. Well, she don't want to be Chicano. That's the thing, you know? You think she's ducking it? She's whitewashed? There's no such thing. When somebody says raza, they don't mean rasa. They mean chicano.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Basically the other way around. When somebody says chicano, they mean rasa. Oh, GZ don't count? He's rasa. Why not? He is.

He's rasa, yeah. Okay. Paiso, Paiso from Texas, he's Rasa. Leuven, he's Rasa. Okay. If you're Mexican, you're Rasa. If you're not Mexican, but you're a Latino, you're Latino. Okay.

But still the people, you know? But so if you're a Mexican dude, but you're making, like, straight up rap music, like you would never notice even a hint of any sort of Mexican flavor in the beats and the style at all, it's still Rasa? Still, if he's Mexican, yeah, why not? Okay. Just checking. Yeah. Even, I would even go as far as to say if there was a Mexican from a black gang.

You know what I'm saying? He's proud of his varro, his gang, but he's still proud of his Lassa and puts it down for us. Hands down. See, we just had a dude from Stockton on here, and his name's Bands, and he's from Stockton, he's Mexican, and he's a Crip. And to him, nobody's deal. Just normal shit. But a lot of people in the comments seem very concerned about this. Look, when you look at the comment section, there's a lot of net bangers. There's a lot of foods that never live that life. And they want to feel like, you know, let's see what it feels like.

And then they go, you know, and net bang. Net banger 3,000, foods gone wild. Netbanger. Net banger 3,000, food's gone wild. Do you think that that's a problem, that there's too much net banging going on? It's part is what gets you paid. Yeah. It's what gets you paid, you know?

You need them. But it's out of control. You bring some the views. There's a lot of people. Not necessarily in your world, but I'm talking more in like the LA gang type community or whatever. There's a lot of people I've seen who become podcasters and maybe they're not really aware of it. But then when you like fast forward a year or two years and you look at like how they're viewed publicly, to me it's very obvious that podcasting is a real hazard for your reputation, especially if you're like a street respect. type of dude.

There's just a lot that can go wrong. That's true. You're under the microscope, especially if you're on a big platform like this. If you really lived the way you lived, if you were really respected, no matter what you do,

they're always going to respect you. No matter what you do, because you really live that way. You know what I'm saying? There's people that don't live that way and then they become famous. And of course, you know, people are going to be like,

you know what? Who is you, fool? Right. Yeah, I mean, well, think about that one dude who, uh, he basically, like, was talking about no jumper. He was, he basically used the word monkeys to describe a bunch of the hosts. And then he got kicked off the podcast that he was on. And then he went to American Cholo studio tripping and got the absolute dog shit beat out

of him by American Cholo. Allegedly. Well, okay. Allegedly. The video seems pretty cut. and drive, but, uh, I mean, I'm just saying that's like the kind of thing where that guy could have just been a guy. He's got his group chat with his homies and he's hanging out on the block and he's saying some racist shit and like, whatever, like nobody really gives a fuck. It's not going

anywhere. It's not, there's nobody around to check you for it. But then all of a sudden, you're on a podcast. You say the same thing and you're getting kicked off the podcast. You're getting beat up. All this crazy shit. There's a way to live. Yeah. And there's a, there's, there's a time for everything, you know? Right now it's not a time to be. prejudice, racist, none of that. There's none of that. We're growing out of that.

You know what I'm saying? So why bring it back? If you're bringing it back, of course, you know, you're going to have bad karma and stuff like that could happen to you. You know what I'm saying? You don't disrespect anybody. You respect everybody.

You know what I'm saying? Look at how, when you start disrespecting people, bad energy comes to you in different types of ways, you know? So if that happened to him, he pretty much manifested that, you know? If you're someone who has a bunch of skeletons in your closet, maybe just don't be a podcaster.

I mean, because the podcast will expedite that content coming to the life. Unless you're like my boy, Oscar de La Jolla, that doesn't even care. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Expose me. Yeah.

If it's really there, expose me. Well, he said that he wanted to, he would rather be exposed than give whack another 750K. That's what he said? I think that's what he said on the, the phone. Or that's what WAC said to Hassan Campbell on the phone call about it. There was a question

there was a question in the food community podcast that I did the interview. They said that if 6-9 would give me a million dollars if I would lay a verse for him. Tell Wack to make it happen. I can ask him if you want.

Somehow I feel like after everything to happen with the Kodak verse, I feel like 6-9 is probably not in the business of doing that anymore. Well, I'm just saying. But he is back in America. They let him out of DR or wherever he was at. He's back. We're going to probably see a whole bunch of weird new content.

You'll probably be here on one day. Not here? Sure, I guess. Academics, I don't know. I'm going to send him over to see an American cholo. To a popular. Oh, no, no, no, no. You've got to face the real Rasa.

Face the real Rasa? She won't go there. All right. Hypothetical, different version of reality that could have happened is 6-9, you know, OG Spanky Loco. Yeah. They were in communication at first before he snitched, before all this crazy shit came out. If things had gone a little bit differently, we could have seen 6-9 coming out to L.A. being protected by the SS card.

And there would have been pictures of them all hanging out and stuff. And that would have been the weirdest fucking thing ever. Look, look. In gang, I'm not saying, the gang culture, straight up, gang culture, I don't care who you are. Beware of who you're kicking it with. Yeah. Because in that picture of 10 people, 10 years from now, some of them might be no good. Some of them might be rats.

Not in every occasion, but it happens a lot. So that's just because he's famous, he's more out there. It happens a lot. A lot of people rat. Really? Straight up. Are you the type of person that's going to call him out? Or you just kind of feel differently about it?

I'm not going to let him cross my path. You know what I'm saying? But this is what it is. Are you a gang member? Are you a civilian? You know, I feel like people that have nothing to do with gangs don't live by that coat. If they call the cops, they call the cops. That's on them, you know?

So if there was a dude from your hood and he calls the cops, he's no good. Every time I see him, we're going to run it. Oh, really? Yeah. Even if it's like the most inappropriate place? I'm not going to go look for him. What if you're with your family? No, if I'm with my family, I ain't going to go out of my way to do none of that.

You know? But if it's a rat and I'm kicking it at a backyard and he pulls up, we're running me. Oh, wow. Off top, no questions asked. Nice. I like it. On hood. On hustas.

All right, man. Hey, what else you got going on besides the YouTube channel and everything? Besides the YouTube channel, I got a little bit of music. Rio Maniac, R-I-O-Maniac with a K, check it out. YouTube channel, Cholo Juan, Instagram, sin for sin, s-in. S-I-N-F-R-F-R. S. I got to ask. Do you ever watch the TV show, E.R.

E.R? Yeah. No. I just wonder because you got it right up there on your face. I got that's a barrio with Rio Gang. I know. No, but look. Totally a lot of people want to know if you like that show, right?

No, no, but look. ER is where you're going to end up if you keep it up. See? There you go. My man, you got bars. It is what it is. For show. Cholo Juan, hey, I appreciate you coming on.

Everybody make sure you search his name and check out his YouTube channel. Shoot him and subscribe. Tree Factory. You're at 20K right now. 20K? If it doesn't go up at least 10K, that means Adam's not doing his job.

That's what I'm saying. Repost this episode on your story and let him know that you fucking with Cholo Juan and you want to see him enter into the pantheon of top Rasa YouTubers come together now. Oh, 100,000 K. All day. All day.

Cholawa, appreciate you, man. So before we go, are you giving me a job or what? It doesn't seem like there are a lot of jobs. over here these days. I don't know. We might be scaling back a little bit, but for sure, let's see how this interview does and let's tap in. And also, by the way, just changing the shirt in the middle of that episode.

I love it. That was amazing. I appreciate you, G. No-jumber coolest podcast. Like, comment, subscribe. We out.