No Jumper - Christ Dillinger & Acid Souljah on The State of The Underground, Anthony Fantano Diss & More

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Christ Dillinger and Acid Souljah talk about, underground rap, Playboi Carti, Anthony Fantano, and more. ----- Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's going on? Oh shit. What's the problem, man? What's the problem? It's good. Shilling, man. Oh, man, this is the fucking DJ Vladweed that had me on my ass last yesterday. It was knocking you out?

Yeah, I wanted the lighter, but I don't want to feel bad when you guys turned on. Wait like 10 minutes. Oh, yeah? It looks weird. Oh, because of the YouTube shit, right? Man, I got fucked up yesterday. I don't know. He said it's the one that's on the filter of this presidential yeah

It's like his best verse ever Those are like the $6.00 Who's that? I was chopin. Oh, yeah, it is right? That's what I was thinking Yeah That was his man choppo. That was a fucking era, bro. Yeah, that's funny. That was actually the first time I ever saw chopper was on your shit Yeah, we used to listen to him all day at every day. He's crazy. No Jumper song he made was so fire.

He got no jumper. Bro, he had a whole era. He did. I fucking loved this shit back then. He went Goth and they tried to cancel him. For sure. He went goth when they tried to cancel him. He dead went goth and niggas tried to cancel him.

But now it's cool to be goth. Only for the right kind of goth. Only if you're like opium approved. Yeah, exactly. You gotta have face piercings and like a black full Rick trench to be got now. Yeah, you can't wear like highlighter pink and fucking. Yeah. Yeah.

Or listen to like any actual goth music. Yeah, exactly. That should have no knowledge of the actual. Golf music is so corny. They're just like, and it's like, you're just thinking about the video of them dancing under that bridge. TikTok.

Oh, I know what video you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm thinking of like the old like, I don't even know the dude's name, but just like the got the got the goth music where it. It's like, um, you mean the fucking

the dark wave shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's only one side of it, though, and I feel like not all goth like as fuck with

dark wave. The dark wave shit, though, like that's like what niggas fuck with nowadays for sure, though. Like the real gothin.

Yeah, I'd be hearing that shit. I'd be hearing that shit. I'd be hearing that shit all the time nowadays. But Cardi has like a wide open lane to just steal everything from like metal

underground subculture. Like if he started wearing corpse paint, everybody would just give him credit. Like he was, the genius who thought of this. Dude, on my fucking Instagram comments on the reals, people are, like, giving me shit telling me, like, either I'm a poser or that,

why would I do this because of Cardi? You did yada, yada, yada, yada. Right. Because of fuck. This is way before Cardi, bro. No, no, I was going shit because of Cardi. Yeah. Well, actually, no, actually, that's tough.

A lot of niggas are doing shit because of Cardi actually. A lot of niggas griff their entire career off cart. You, I peeped this one day. I noticed some crazy shit. For every era of Cardi, there's a bunch of rappers that come out that try to sound like him. in that era. And whenever he changes the sound,

they all get left behind. But mad rappers have gritted their whole career off to sounding like Cardi in like certain eras that he's in. Even niggas who I fuck with. Like made in Tokyo, I love his music. But he definitely is just like

that era of Cardi. And he's locked in there. Once Cardi changed the sound, you just stopped hearing about him. Yeah. He's gone. Yeah. Even like Mario Judah low key,

but he came back though. Mario Judah came back. You're a believer in his comeback? If Mario Judah? Because he's kind of working on it right now, right? Yeah. I heard the single he put out. I thought it was tight.

It wasn't a love song, though. He's just, like, fooling on the love song shit now. Like, yeah. I thought it was tight. When I first heard him, what was he, what was that first? You gonna die. Remember how he said the N-word? Yeah.

It's a nigger. I can't do the impersonation, but like he was like singing. No, what was it? Oh, a big dog, big, man. Wasn't it? They did like a remote rolling loud, right? Oh, yeah. Where, like, there was no audience.

Yeah, yeah. And he's wearing a big black robe. And he was there. And he went super viral for a bunch of. of different stuff during that. I remember that. Bro, during COVID, niggas did so much goofy shit.

Niggas had a remote, a virtual rolling loud. Yeah. And niggas were really out. Tuning in. Tuning in watching that shit. I went to a virtual Chief Keefe and Polo G concert

and it was like, it really felt like we were just kind of hanging out with Chief Keefe and the, like there was no, because you can't see the audience. Nobody tweeted at me. Nobody sent me a picture. Nobody said like, hey, I just watched the performance.

It was sick. So it felt like we just pretty much like went to a room. Watch Chief Keep perform for just us and then like kind of stood around with Chief Keep for a while and then that was that was it When you're saying that a virtual show you mean like like you were there on the show or like you were watching on the computer? I was like paid to like promote it or something so I was there just like filming a vlog and stuff but there was nobody there's no audience no audience yeah It was very strange she just had a super intimate chief keep show that's honestly fucking lit yeah in retrospect it's kind of cool he yelled at me though he started it out by yelling at me because he's like why you talking all these hoes about me Were you talking to Hose about Chief?

It was like his ex-girlfriend had just been on the podcast saying, like his baby mama, that Slim Danger one. Oh, she's the wildest one. Yeah. Didn't it six-nine take her shopping? I think he did. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like the white girl, right?

I hate her. It's my worst nightmare. It's like I get some baby mama that disgraces me every chance she gets. Oh, yeah. Just drags my name through the mud every fucking chance she gets. Oh, man. I pray to God that doesn't happen to me. Oh, my goodness.

For people who haven't figured it out, we are sitting down with Christ Dillinger and Asa's Soldier, two of the weirdest, most creative, most innovative rappers out there right now, going to just happen to run into y'all while you were on Melrose, right? Yeah. And so here we are. We made it happen. I didn't even know we started. Oh, yeah.

We've been started. Yeah, we just let it happen. Yeah, I'm checking the countdown to like I light the weed up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it five minutes and we can get it. Yeah, I'm going to get some more. No, I know how YouTube is. That's just fucking lame.

Let's get over high. No, I was watching a Cardi. Technically it's not a video. It's a visualizer, but then all the footage was like vlog footage of him just like hanging out with people and stuff. And like, there's girls are like strippers and they're fully blurred out. And I'm like, I've noticed that on YouTube too is that like you kind of got used to the idea that like a rap video you can have chicks butt naked twerking. But then like in a vlog or whatever you can't. But now it feels like, no, you can't really have chicks half naked twerking.

in a video either. Like that shit's going to get blurred out even in real rap videos, which is, damn, that's crazy. It's kind of sad. Why the hell are they blurring that out? Because they want to stay monetized or whatever.

Damn, YouTube needs to stop fucking up. They're fucking up their platform low key. They need the 18 up. Yeah, YouTube is like the last, like one of the last vile platforms too. Like Twitter is fried. Instagram is fried. I don't have TikTok.

I don't be using that. TikTok censorship's way worse than like any other platform. Yeah. And it should feed you. It feeds you the most garbage out of anything. Yeah. Take Talk, as soon as you even make a new account and you open it, the first thing you see is just like, huzz, just like juicy. Instagram is pretty bad too.

Instagram will show me literally like the worst racist, gruesome, pornographic, goon material ever. My IG shows me mad girls doing like stupid shit. I love it. Like the videos of like the shit that you were doing it real on loud. Like girls are getting asked like, yeah, where's Alabama? And they're like, I don't know over here. Like I get mad of those videos. Dude, so much of this is AI now.

Like, for sure this is AI. That's not not even like a real person. I'm pretty sure this is fake. It's all these videos of the girls where they're just squirming in front of the camera. It's like, I might be wrong. Yeah, look how shiny those boobs are.

That's weird. Like the way that they move is it right. But it's very hard to tell. Like your average Joe working at 7-Eleven probably is looking at this and has no idea that this is fake. There's like some dude that's all his money on that. Oh, for sure. Yeah. He's got all his money to the AI girl.

Oh, yeah. He thinks he's talking to her. And the better it gets, the more that nobody's going to be able to tell the different. and everybody's just going to be jerking off the To fake women Yeah Damn they're about to take women not a porn Yeah

They took our jobs We can't let that happen Yeah as a dude How am I gonna compete with this fake dude Who's got a 12 inch dick? What the fuck? Yo. AI generated robot cock It's not good

I feel like that that could be like your next song name Maybe AI generated robot I really haven't made any music about AI yet I necessarily make a whole AI song about like AI just like destroying the world. Well, they said that Cardi's got AI vocals on his album too. Oh, no. There's certain parts that he did. I don't know.

I saw some people make a very convincing argument, but I really look into it. That's tough. Yeah, I heard someone told me that last night that they're like backing vocals that were AI. But I was bumping that Cardi album. I heard that blew me away. I could have swore I heard Gunna on there. No. No.

Yeah, I heard Gunna on the Cardi album. On that song, a young thug, if you listen, I'm a Gunna fan. Okay. I don't care what niggas said about Gunna. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I'm standing about. I'm standing with him. I know what you're about to talk about.

I'm standing with Gunna. Everyone named Gunna, I'm fucking with him, including you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you listen to that song, it has Young Thug on it. If you listen really hard, you get here, Gunna in the background doing ad libs. Wait, I'm going to say, I saw something that said that that that song was originally, like, a song that. Gunna was on that song. Yeah.

And Thug made for, like, an album or whatever. But then they took that song and took Gunna off of it and gave it to Cardi. Yeah. Gunna was on that song originally, but if they took Gunna's vocals on the song, they could have got rid of his adlives. Yeah. And they left him to sign their own purpose.

Picture that, though, like, you're my boy and you tell on me. So I give the song to a goth vampire who just how happens to be like the hottest rapper in the world. That's got to hurt in a different type of way. Yeah, I'll be thinking about this too. Y'all think Cardi Barrett and Gunna? You think if Cardi and Gunna went head to head,

I think Gunna might be able to beat him. I feel like since Gunna's came out of Jell, his aura has just been like, that niggas been maxed out. Yeah, like, yeah. Different type of aura now. Everything he does is so insane nowadays. Like, I don't know.

I feel like Gunna is like an adult contemporary rapper now because he can't talk about violence or the streets or lean and all the stuff he used to talk about. So now he's just making like purely smooth, cool music whereas like Cardi still gets to flirt with all this violence and like drug abuse and beating women or whatever Kanye said he's doing. Yeah, Kanye was on his ass about that. I feel like low key too, though, like Cardi like be getting like, clown for the street shit, though. The things be clowning on him for being a street, low-key.

Like, they kind of be, like, clowning on him for, like, being the street rapper. I mean, because he's like a little pretty boy, so. He's bisexual vampire, yeah. But he's also out big blood. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he's locked. He's locked them with those niggas for real. Yeah. But I feel like, you know, that's, like, not like a hard thing to do, though. Yeah.

I mean, if you're a millionaire, most likely not. Yeah. The problem is, is that for normal people, if you join a gang, like, there's so much bullshit to deal with, but I feel like if you're on his level, you can kind of just mesh into that environment. What are they going to do to you? You're out of the gang, buddy. Yeah.

See, that's what I was telling you earlier. I'm not from this coast. I'm not in the gang. I'm not trying to get down with one. All y'all niggas leave me alone. I'm not. But we will die for your right to do that. Yeah.

Yeah. Y'all can, I'll die for the game. I'm not a part of it. You know, I'm not the biggest supporter of it, but I will die for your right to do it. I'll definitely die for anyone's right to game bang or say whatever they want. Yeah. But I'm just not about to, I'm not about to join the gang. That's the one crime that I'm not, not joining the gang. I'm not trying to be in the gang. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to be in the gang. I'm like, I'm not going down over here. That's like that shit. I'm like, I'm not even real. Like, were there a lot of gangs for you, like growing up and shit? Well, I grew up in, like, I grew up in New York, but, like, outskirts in New York and, like, Bridgeport and Connecticut.

So, like, the gangs where I'm from is, like, small town gangs. Yeah. It was, like, Stack Boys and T.F. My cousin was, like, Cruz. Yeah. But, like, niggas were still dying and shit and, like, doing shit. That was when I was in, like, middle school, though. But, like, it was different, though.

Like, the gang shit was, like, super organized over here. Like, niggas got, like, over here, and they got niggas that are, like, in charge of. I don't even know. It just seems so organized. Yeah. It was, like, colors and shit still. like niggas still ban colors. And there's parks where like there's like some 50 year old dude who hangs out in the park all day.

And if you go there doing some bullshit, he's just going to shoot you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That doesn't happen in New York. There's like a park ranger who was assigned by the game. That's kind of crazy. Like, for real, that's real. But they don't really care of anything bad happens.

They just don't want anybody from any rival gangs to come around and like act like it's all good. Yeah. This kind of a real thing. Park ranger's there hired eight hours a day. I actually know a gang member named Park Ranger. And his name is about P. A R-C-C-C, like a Crip A Crip name.

That's a hard name. Yeah. That's the one thing I'm up being in the game. You got to have a cool-ass name if you like. Yeah, you get a cool-ass name. You got a cool name. You got some cool names. We do.

We do have some cool names. This name is Ascent Soldier. My name's Ascent Soldier. Christ's a sick name. Yeah. I think it would be like a hard gang name. Oh, no. I don't want to flirt with that world.

I respect the savageness of the West Coast gang culture. What made you pick that name? Do you fuck a soldier slim? Uh, yeah. It was like goth money inspired too. Like, because they're like, uh, what's it called? Well, my, my friend called me at the acid soldier when we were in high school. And I was like, that's a cool name. I could like take the, the way that he set it and then shorten it and make it cooler. And like, you know, like goth money, they do like all the, the soldier stuff. And like soldier slim and everything. The south. Like. I don't know. I liked the way that it was spelt. Are you guys tapped in with the current Goth money output? Because among a lie,

it's probably been like seven years since I was tapped in. But I had a bunch of those interviews early on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I still listened. Black cray,

just him alone in the store at like noon on a Tuesday doing that interview. When I look back at that, that's kind of gnarly. Oh, it's legendary. Yeah. I still buff all the crazy shit. Like, I fuck with Black Cray and, uh, cane and, like, all that shit. Yeah, I used to really.

fuck with that one dude um you changed the name to wise b-o-g cane groceries oh okay i thought he was really fire he's so fire he used to be out here a lot yeah yeah he's not out here anymore i don't know i was a fan i don't even know that nigga like that but i know he used to be i used to always see like tweets and shit and pictures of him like on like melrose and shit yeah i mean you'd see him at like every like little underground show yeah some tracy shit like whatever he was always at everything it was fine well i just want to say this because i almost said the other day on the podcast but one of the craziest things that are happening to me in interviewing rappers was that Lil Tracy and famous decks were hanging out with this white girl Riz.

Well, we're all hanging on the back of the store, this girl Riz who passed away, RIP her, but they took a photo with her. So the photo is just a white girl with two kind of gnarly looking black dudes with face tattoos and shit next to her. And David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan posted it on Facebook. That's crazy. To basically just be like, you can't let this happen to your white women.

Don't let them get abducted by black rappers or whatever. I didn't care about what he was saying. I just couldn't believe that somehow my content had traveled to a Klansman. The KKK, the head Klansman. The dawn of that shit. Yeah. That's crazy. I remember when that happened.

You saw Kanye's black clan outfits. Oh, I got one for you. You got one here right now? Well, no, no, not like that. So academics just interviewed him. And Ack said that he starts the interview dressed normal. He goes, I'm going to change. He comes back.

He's wearing a black clan outfit. So that interview is dropping, like, within the next day. or two and people are going to react. We got the early insight knowledge of what Ye did. I mean, that's going to light the world on fire because he's done a lot of offensive shit, but that's kind of the next level. His headquarters is pretty crazy. I saw someone talking about him wearing the clan shit.

Like, I don't really know how to feel about that shit, to be honest. Like, because I don't really know what his point is with wearing the black clan shit. But I did see someone that Pierce Morgan guy was talking about it. And he was like, um, he said, he said, he said, he said, He was, there was something about Kanye, and he was asking someone about Kanye, and he was like, yeah, like, that black clan shit, like, all the shit he's doing is so offensive to the Jews. He's hurting the Jews so much. And then the person he was talking to was black, and they were like, what about black people? He's wearing a black Ku Klux Klan outfit. Yeah. You're going to, what about black people? Like, what? Because that's the weird thing about everybody acting. So, like, oh, the Jews are supposed to be so offended. Him wearing the clan shit? I mean, that's going to. offend like his base. The people that spent 20 years building you up and loving you and shit. Like there's going to be a lot of them who are not going to take that well.

Yeah. It's like I wonder what his message is behind that. I don't know what he's trying to say, but not going to front. That's my favorite rapper ever. So yeah. Yeah, I love Tanya. He was a goat. That's a fuck.

Wait. So, okay, how did you guys start rapping or when did you meet? I want to know about how all this came together. We met on the internet. Yeah, that's great internet show. One of his friends like. Yeah. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. Good crazy. I'm an alcoholic. I'm sorry. One of his friends showed him my music, I think, or something. And he was fucking with it. So he hit me up. We started making music on the internet and shit.

And then I came to New York for the first time, like April 2023. And we started hanging out, like, in person and everything. And he was like, yo, I'm going on tour this summer. I want to take you on tour. So I was like, shit, bet. And then, you know, we've been on tour and we've just been doing like the shit since. Like we got the Acid Christ album. It's a negative squad album.

We'd just been staying consistent making music and all that kind of shit. What brought you together? Was it like personality driven or was it the fact that you guys are both very unorthodox rappers? Although you both definitely have different styles. But I mean, I feel like you guys both are kind of from a similar lineage of weird rapping. we have a lot of the same influences type shit. And then, like, we also, like, have a lot of the same ideals. So we made that first song.

And then I put it out. And niggas were fucking with. They're like, yeah, like, as a soldier Christ, don't just base, base for, base for surgeons or, like, some shit. And then, some of his fans was commenting on my shit. There was, like, um, Sigil core. And I'm not going to front. I don't know what the fuck that is. Central core.

Citil core. Sigil core. Yeah. It's like, he can explain with. I don't know what that is. Man. That SoundCloud. shit that I never made sigil core music the but for some reason they all fuck with you though

back in the day uh with like all the jewel set shit you know free two shanes like they were pushing the sigil core sound and i never made sigil core music it's a little bit too negative for me but i i got lumped in with them because i make music with shane and shit and uh like one of my songs was on the official soundcloud sigil core playlist it's just like it's like I feel like it's like kind of like what was like after BNB with like dark trap style shit like space coast perp inspired shit because a lot of the guys that were in set were like in B&B before B&B ended like death row with B&B death row um so it's like just like that dark trap dark shit but we I feel like what brought us together is like the bass shit I've

always been doing like bass music like bass revival shit I guess like bringing like bass back to like the mainstream and uh and by bass you mean basically freestyle in your verses and just kind of having it be this like the little state of mind spill that onto the beat type thing like the little b inspired because the word based in the way that little b was using it has been so corrupted yeah we're trying to bring it back to the original meaning it's like it's like i got the pink bandana i got the tiny pants some task force some bitch mob yeah the word based has been gentrified Big time. Bad.

It's been gentrified heavy. Somebody will, I'll be watching like a conservative podcast and somebody will say something super racist or like anti-woman. And then he'll be like base. And me as a little B fan, I'll just be forced to sit back and be like, bro, how the fuck did that happen? What? That's crazy.

That word just got completely flipped on. They ruined it. That's why I have to make it cool again. And like we're like on that. It's like why we're like base negative squad. Like I don't know. Like I also really fuck what I said because. when we made that first song,

like we made like another one and then we started making the project and we just like, he records the same way I do and we just like freestyle all our songs. So like he can like keep up with me. Like he makes as much music with me as he makes solo and so do I.

You don't punch in at all? I do punch in. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, but I punch it. I just do it straight from the start to the end. So like it's just like rare for me to find something like keep up with me as far as like being able to make a lot of songs

and being able to like do songs with me at the same time. Yeah. Because he has enough songs where he can have his own shit going on completely outside of me. And me and him have enough music together where we have our own shit together too.

And I put out mad music all the time too. So it's funny. Some people will get mad at you. Like other rappers will get mad at you and you drop too much when you like work with them a lot because they can't keep up. They're like, you're dropping too much. You're like flooding this shit.

There's not enough like audience for me to listen to. But the niggas who dropped the most are the niggas that end up coming up. Yeah. When I was listening to you, it made me feel like the way that I first felt listening to a nephew. Yeah, that's my man's bro.

Yeah. And I seen y'all do that. music together and shit. I still love Nephew shit so much since day. Yeah. Now, Nuff is my man. It's 100 grand. He told me to come out here and fuck with you.

Oh, hell yeah. That's the good. I'll fuck with him. Yeah. He's a crazy drunk. He's a cool guy. Is he still currently? I know he was at one.

No, he's definitely alcohol. That's one of the things that me and him definitely. He and definitely bond over that. Me and him are both. I'm definitely an alcohol too. He can handle it. He can handle it. He can hold it.

He can hold it. Oh, you know he can. He has crazy lore out there, though. I don't think it's true, but they accused him around in a disc song about his ex-girlfriend right after she overdosed. Somebody was talking to that shit about me yesterday. But he said that the song was already recorded and shit, but that does kind of seem aligned with the RXK persona.

But then also, like, you know, he has an episode that's just him, Blasey, and Krip Mac. Isn't that insane? That's the crazy line of here. He loves Krip-Mack. Just them being in the same room is so fucked. I met Neth because some, this, this, This YouTuber Brandon Buckingham. I had never heard that before.

This guy was like, yo, I think that you and this guy would sound good together on a song. And I was like, okay, bet. I didn't even really know anything about, bro. He just, like, told me that he was going to, you know, pay me to do a song or whatever. And I was from the, I was already doing a show in L.A. So I was like, bet. He took me to this apartment in downtown L.A. And I walked in his next apartment.

First time I ever met Neff, he goes, yo, he looks at me. He looks at me. He's like, yo, go in the fridge. He's like, you can get anything you want out of there. I was like, all right. I opened up. He was, he was with me. My man's over there, Frist.

He was with me. Me and him grew up together. There's my man's. He opened, I opened the fridge door. This niggas's fridge was so nicely organized. He had one of every beverage on every level of his fridge. Top four was just soda. Middle was just water.

Then he had juices here. Then he had like chasers and like assorted like meats and shit like that. His fridge was organized so well. Fridge help on 100. Nah, shit like that goes a lot. I have OCD, so that goes a long way with me. It's all fucking projects. If you're like a neat, like this nigga,

you look, he probably have OCD too. I've been to your house. But I can tell what niggas have it. When they, like, do certain things, like, that goes a long way with me. If you're, like, a neat person, like, it's just, like, put together well, I like that.

Because, like, chaos kind of be, like, scaring me a little bit. Like, I'm not going to lie. Living in squalor, how can you do it? Matthew seems like he lives in chaos all the time, though. So that's super surprising me that his fridge is, like, it's controlled chaos, though. He knows what he's doing.

Yeah. There's always, there's always a plan to the way that he's moving. Yeah. Like, that ass. Like he's very like he's very smart with that shit. Wait, but so you actually have OCD? I have OCD, yeah. Yesterday I was interviewing Vlad and there was some ashes on the table and he just started like compulsively cleaning it up.

And I'm like, because he's told me before he had OCD, but I never really like seen like a super obvious example like that. But like one thing I'd be doing like, see how I have my phone right here. Then I set all this shit up so like the rolling papers over here, the weed next to it. So when I got a roll again, everything is set up over here. The ash tray is here waiting for the joint to be lit. So like an ash right here. Everything is perfectly aligned. So to you it's super foreign the idea of just lighten up and not knowing where you're going to be ashing?

I can't even do that. I've never seen him do that. I can't even do that. That would fuck me up. He always has an ashtray next to him. It's like it's like not even like something I think about, though. It's just something I got it from my mom. So my mom had that shit.

Something I noticed yesterday when you were smoking, every time you hit it, you like that. Yeah, I do that a lot. He does that every time he hits it. Yeah, every time he hits it, he goes like that. Did you notice that? You notice your notice. Yeah. attention to shit.

Like you gotta swirl your hand around. No, he's just like, he'll be smoking. Yeah, I don't know. I've seen it too. I never really noticed. Nothing matter about it. I was just like I noticed. It's because sometimes the smoke be getting in your eyes.

That's what I thought it was. So whenever I hit it in the smoke, because I always, the way I learn how to smoke, like the first time I smoked, I didn't even get high. Like, I hit the shit the wrong way. How many people say that? I didn't get high at all. I remember the first time I got high.

I thought I was in fucking, what's that movie? I thought out. Nah, the bionic man. When that nigg was running for the first. time and his arms moving like that's like I felt like I was in the bionic man I was like yo I'm high shit I had smoke with some Asian niggas in their attic

some vanilla cush and that shit got me clapped but like the smoke be getting in my eyes sometimes and I got to like just get it out of here you'll see it later when you start smoking when you start smoking in rooms that have decent ventilation or you're like used to smoking outside you kind of forget about how insane it is to just be in like a room

with no ventilation no windows no nothing and you're just getting high in that smoke is collecting for forever you know like i i kind of have lost track of that and then every once in a while i'll be in that environment i'll be like how did i spend so much of my life smoking in this sort of situation no i feel that smoking outside look i feel like i'll be getting higher yeah especially if it's cold outside when you smoke weed and it's cold outside that should be getting you when you go up inside you're clapped the weed y'all got out here though is different man shout out seven 10 labs shout out seven this shit has had me like inebriated i can't even

Think straight half the time when I'm out here. Well, feel free to light up for sure. Whenever I go back to the East Coast, yeah, like I don't even remember my trip to Cali because I'm just so high. So high, though. Yeah, just so high. The weed is different over here.

I'm still. They put some different shit in it. That's why I like all the homeless people. Because they're so high. I don't think they're so hot. I don't even need a house. Yeah, I don't need a house. I think it's as high.

The sun is out. They chill it. Live on the beach and shower there. Those things are crazy. How do y'all deal with that? It's just part of life at this point. Just avoid down. town at all costs and then when you are there

just be hella on point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody I know out here has a gun. But niggas would be having a gun. Niggas would be having guns like that. Yeah, it's a little bit more risky out there. They'll give you a hell of years for just getting caught with a pipe. Yeah, a little wing on a year, I think, for that, right? He just did it. A couple years. Yeah, he didn't. Damn, bro. I can't do shit. I can't do shit. No, that's cool. It's like a dance move. I can't do shit around. Wait, but I want to know your, oh, okay, so how did

you guys get tapped in with DJ Smokey because I interviewed him back in the day. He was like a huge legend. Like all the BMX videos that were putting out were being edited to him for a while. A bunch of my homies in like Niagara and Buffalo and shit were fucking with him tough. And it's cool to see that he's still out here. It's still doing his thing and that he's got artists that are really appreciative of style. How'd you guys link with him? No, I fuck with him. He's a good dude. He's one of the best people I ever met. He, um, hit me up because I had made some shit with this dude named Joey. And then Joey had told him about me. And then he messaged me and Me and him made a tape together.

I have Fate made a song like Lucky that I was trying to like put on like that project with him. So he like hosted that song for me. And then the song with Joey and Lucky. Yeah, that song. Yeah. And then he hosted the tape for me and then me and him just locked in, made a few more albums. He was genuinely a cool dude. He was just like, he just be tapped in with the underground just like.

But I guess nowadays more so he just fussed who he wants to fuck with. But he's a cool dude though. I know he's got some crazy shit coming out soon too. He's got a project with Skrillus coming out. That's just about to go crazy. Oh shit. That's going to get him. A lot of fucking recognition.

That's crazy. That's fire. I don't even think that he's made me talk about that yet, but I'm going to just put it out there. I know he tweeted about it or something. Now they got to put it out. Yeah, I'm going to put it out. Smokey's cool as fuck. I got in tune with him through him, you know.

Like I grew up listening to a lot of the underground shit. Smokey's like, you know, a goat, legend, everything. So being able to work with him is mad cool. And like, you know, the shit that we've done is super sick. Like a lot of the songs that we made produced by him. him and hosted by him are super sick. Like, uh, we're definitely keeping that mixtape type shit alive. There's a lot of niggas

who are doing that nowadays, stuff that's coming back more. So the mixtape era shit, like, niggas, like, screaming over songs. Right. Because he'd be doing that, the Swamp iso. The Swamp iso guy. That's the best part. He works all the time named Kino Pro. Yeah, shout out Kino Pro. I think Keno Pro in a few years, niggas are going to be talking about him everywhere.

Let me. He's so good. His style of hosting shit is fucking insane. Keno Pro 79. He's one of the best, like, DJ, like, in that realm of shit. because he's taken it to a whole new level. He puts, like, lore and, like, you got to just listen to some of his shit. Like, he's so good at it. Keno Pro 79 is the best rapper, producer, DJ, man of all trades.

He's not a Jack of All Trades because he can actually do everything perfectly. I love Keno. That's, like, without Keno Pro 79, I wouldn't be here. Like, a lot of my swag and, like, biggest songs, he's had, like, a direct hand in. you know you know who else is coming back to the trapahawless guy yeah the next part that me and him are doing we're thinking about getting the trap of hollis got to host that like the real trap shit guy there we go bringing that shit back yeah because you guys have like a fucking sort of robot version of that kind of voice that would be

making me laugh my ass off and i'm listening to you that's evil empire war crimes are cool no wait oh really so you that's evil empire oh okay yeah that's the evil empire guy okay fair enough how'd you guys tap in with him and how you he's just some dude who's smoking you i don't even actually know that dude like that. Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't even remember what his lineage is or anything like that. I don't even know where they found him.

I guess he's Canadian. I don't even know. Right, but you guys have like the weirdest fucking drops on that shit ever. What was it? Yeah, I don't believe in human rights. War crimes are cool. Those are the ones I wrote down. Then I heard them on a bunch of different songs too.

And I'm like, okay, this is like a consistent thing. I lost my wife and kids and I miss them and all that shit. I'm severely depressed. I'm severely depressed. I like the, I did a tape. centered around one of the tags that I came up with was the inbred methodic music that one was cool

there was like a lot of fun tags on that like light up that glass pipe like my favorite tag I think is the one that niggas haven't heard yet but I think people are gonna like it it's from my next album but the tag is it's called like it's called I love Bushwick it's so good that yeah it's so good I think that's a good I think that's a good one I think that was sick it's classic

Bushwick is the pinnacle of human culture right now It's Constantinople of modern day society. I lived in Bushwick for like four years. It sucks. It's like a Renaissance area for some reason. When I moved there, it was kind of grimy. And then like over the four years, I kept seeing more like organic delis popping up and shit like that.

And now when I go back, I'm like, oh, all right, y'all had a plan. Yo, my girl will be doing Pilates and shit. You feel me? Like fucking Bushwick, they definitely like made it like a soda, soapa type place. Well, no, no, that's where all that six-nine shit went down. Yo, I lived, like, right down the street from 6-9 in many, many years before he popped off. But then later on, I realized, like, oh, this is, like,

his stomping around. Yeah, it's funny because Bushwick, like I said, in Bridgeport, Connecticut. I got mad family in New York, like, in Crown Heights. And then, like, Bushwick and Brownsville. And I used to always pull up out to Bushwick to visit my family and shit. And it was not a place where you would be safe. Like, it was dangerous out there. Like, it was, like, really crazy out there.

But then that 6'9 shit happened to Loki. Everyone got arrested. Everybody got arrested. Bro got everyone arrested Everybody's gone That's gotta be scary to gang bang out there After all that shit But I'd be thinking like

Okay so like follow me right Like 6-9 makes this music He signs this deal with this label He joins a gang after right That's what happened So he's making this music The label knows Must have some idea that he just joined this gang

He wasn't in that He's putting out this crazy blood music Then all these niggas get locked up Then niggas knock all those Projects Null those buildings And low-income shit down and just gentrify the fuck out of it. That's just got to be related.

That's a conspiracy. I don't know what the conspiracy is, but it's got to be related. There's no way they let this nigga get up, create all this crazy shit, get all these niggas arrested. You got all the niggins. Then they raised the rent up and opened up coffee shops with $10 coffee. You're going to chill because the CIA is going to kill you for exposing how 6-9 was a government ageing, how he's sysia.

I'll be chatting. I'll be chatting. in 50 years you're going to go to the mall. and see like Christ Dillinger shirt's hanging up because he'd be like Che Guevara There's gonna be a bullet We don't really know exactly what he did But we know he did some revolution

Every shit He said some shit Yo, but my question is like What was the underground scene That you guys grew up around Or was it primarily like a online thing And how do you grade the health Of the underground realm today?

I'll let him go first on that Because he's really a child of the underground Yeah, I love underground music I'd say like I'm a student of it right Like a student of the culture And like rap and everything And I feel like Underground music is in like a really

Like interesting place right now But like the The scene and stuff that I grew up like consuming was like very much like Like I feel like the scene that everyone remembers like the most fondly like you know like all like the Like the team sash hollow water boys Suicide boys Raider clan A very rare like all the X shit like and everything like so it's like All that shit was really popular when I was like a kid and stuff.

And when I was in high school and middle school, like eighth grade on to high school, like I was listening to a lot of like Metro Zoo and Slug Christ and Curvla Goop and, you know, young God and like ocean gang and shit. So it's like I feel like maybe back then underground music was more creative and like actually focused on like music. Yeah. But I also wasn't around then. So I don't know. I feel like everyone's always been trying to get clout for all of time, you know?

All those fools are trying to get clout just like everyone is now. But, I mean, the way that people did it was different. I just think that, like, the way that the underground functions now, I wouldn't say it's necessarily unhealthy. I just say that it's more, like, label involved than ever. Like, now you have these underground artists that are getting pushed as underground artists by labels, like, so that their image. All these things are signed now.

There's not no underground. anymore. They have like an image of being underground. It's like the label pushes them through the underground before they're allowed to be like big boy status. They can't just like industry plant them anymore. So it's like they get industry planted on a lower level. Like I'm not going to say names or who or whatever. But it's like there's mad people around me that have like the same like number of followers or monthly listeners or whatever and they're signed and I'm not. And it's like, yo, why did you sign? Like, you know, so it's like,

there's a lot of weird, like, promotion shit, like, and, like, everything, like all these paid promo pages and shit. Like, if you're following, like, hyperpop daily or underground sound or our generation music or whatever, you're basically just following, like, advertisement. Like, there's nothing there that, like... Those underground sound niggas be shamelessly promoted and bullshit.

Like, I don't know who runs that shit. I got love for everybody. I don't know you. Don't come ask me about this shit if you see me. But y'all niggas be shamelessly promoting bullshit left and right. If you see this and you go, oh, Asit Soldier's lame because he was hating on my underground promo page. Think about this. You run an underground promo page.

So who's the lame one here? It's not me. It's not me who's going and opening up Photoshop and cropping this image to go, net spend just turned 18. Whoa. Like, I'm just like, like, like, shout out NetSpend and shout out. out all the pages that promote him. But, you know, it's just like, it's like, it's not as authentic anymore, you know, like, it's like, so I always try to bring the real authenticity, the real, the real us. Dude, like, so many of those names you just named are like people that had me super genuinely excited about underground music, like around the time that we started no jumper and everything.

And when I think about it, it's like now a lot of times when I listen to underground rapper, like the underground sound freshman cover. whatever like i fuck with some of those artists and stuff but sometimes it feels like underground music equals like people not even trying to rap good at all but using an absolute shitload of auto tune and the gimmick usually and it just kind of feels phoned in at a certain point when i was listening to you guys i'm like oh all right this is some shit that really reminds me of that era like such all of water boys and just constantly finding people who are just doing weird new shit like like an innovation of like what was then yeah yeah i feel like not a lot of people now that are making underground music are really like students of the culture and the sound necessarily like we are like well that's what i was

gonna say when yeah like we're like really like we really love this shit like i like i like could stop rapping tomorrow and like get like a normal ass job and i'd still listen to like underground music every day because that's like what i like to listen to so it's like it's like we really like eat sleep reads shit this shit you know so it's like i'm not i don't know i never really listened to the underground music when I was like, I don't know. Before I started rapping, I didn't even know there was an underground. I started putting music on SoundCloud and that should start doing good.

And then niggas alerted me to the fact that there was a group of niggas that considered me an underground. I was listening to like Kanye and Little Wayne and like Gucci Man. Like I was big in the trap shit, but that's not considered underground. Right. Because I've been listening to rap my whole life because my dad is from Alabama and he's from Bessemer. So he's just like put me on to like a whole bunch of.

bunch of crazy, like, even like old school, like, trap, like, rappers and shit, like, that's how I listen to the underground, no, rap music. Yeah, I've listened to rap music. Yeah, I was on that Piff and shit. You know what I mean? Like, I was really listening to, like, Wiz Khalifa's tapes, like Cabin' Teeper. Mix tape monkey was lit. I was bumping, like, young scooter.

Like, niggas don't even remember a young scooter. Oh, low scooter. Niggas talk about underground rap and they'd be like, yeah, the best underground rappers of all times, like suicide boys, like, I got love for suicide boys. If the underground is, if the underground is, aren't those, like, young scooters supposed to be underground too? Yeah. That was my underground.

I was never into like Black Cray. I'm not going to front. I heard a Black Cray song for the first time like a year ago. I never really bunk bro like that. But that's the weird thing about like the underground is that it kind of gets like divided into two things, which is like real underground weird people that are just interested in doing some freaky ass renditions of music. And then there's like street dudes who maybe are like pushed in a direction of being a little bit weirder.

So like some of that underground fan base applies to them and everything like that. But like I was think about that with Florida. where it was kind of like at a certain point, you had like X and Kodak. And that's basically like liberals and Republicans. Like choose your side is one or the other and they don't really mix that much. Yeah, they're both mad fire.

Yeah. But like I found out about the underground. I didn't even know what that was. And then I just started finding all these artists. The first underground rapper I ever heard was Choppo. It was Choppel and Kerbla Goup's collab mixtape. The best album ever. That album is so fucking good.

Choppel was punching in, rapping on that shit. Like, he was like, The Michael Phelps equivalent of rapping on that tape. Like he was just fucking going in on every song. It was crazy. And it was really introspective. Like he had like like some real like progressive songs on there where like the beat. That's what I was really drawn to is like how the beat was like kind of crazy.

And he would have hooks like splash. Like it's like eluding to shit. Like or like Promethazine puddles. Promethazine puddles. I'm geeking like some shit like that. It was like the it was like real like different than like the street shit. One song where he's like, hello, goodbye. Yeah.

Goodbye. It was like, that sounds stupid, but that's just mad. That's Loki mad. Like, conceptual. Yeah. It's like a smart concept for a song. Chopo's one of the best rappers of all time. High key.

Man, he was such a legend, dude. It was fire. I got to listen to more of his, like, current output. Is he purely just on this like emo way of now? No, no, he's back on the, he back on the whole chop. We were just showing with him a little bit ago. We made a bunch of fire. Me, him, chopo, my man, Taz.

R-I-P-Taz. We just made a bunch of fire songs. Oh, yeah. Like last week before we came here. Yeah, no. he just had like such a syrupy voice and like he he like if you watch his first interview bro like he was on hell of drugs like that molly was just like taking over his body and i feel like he got his life together a little bit at a certain point and maybe like i don't know like i was

wonder if like that era of him rapping was like that good because he was fucking gone in another dimension. He was so good the way he he he was rapping like so like fluently for like for a nigga that to like talls like big like long draws and his voice. Yeah, like, but he's such a fire rapper, it's like, it almost doesn't make sense. When he talks, you're seeing those dogs that have the droopy faces. Yeah.

That's what I think. Yeah. Like that little cartoon, he's like a little white dog. Yeah, but, yeah, what's his name? It might be droopy. It might be droopy or some shit. I got in the underground shit because ASAP Rocky put bones on his album.

Oh, wow. And then, uh, that was a big deal when that happened. Like the Canal Street song or whatever. I forgot what song it was. but I got into bones and then I started like desperately searching for a Sess Hollow Water Boys

interviews and then like you know I found like other rappers related to them like Xavier Wolfe and then like going back to Raider Clan and shit is is Cardi in the underground? He was he was in the underground. He was in the underground. Yeah yeah. Okay so

with Uno the activist. So stay with me. Was Hoodvich Pablo Juan in the underground? Nah, he's a street dude. See, but that's the person that invented every underground rapper's flow. That's where I got my flow. But I feel like he kind of like went to D.C. And heard the DMV flow at that time and kind of like took that on with his own like Atlanta type thing. And the fact that they were really doing crazy shit because he got a racketeering indictment.

He's been locked up for five, six years. He's about to get out now. Is he about to get out? I'm trying to buy a feature. You should for sure. I'm buck with him. He's one. He's one.

Remember the very first song he ever put out? Yeah, I heard the very first song he ever put out. I was just on YouTube scrolling, and I've seen it pop up. It was diamonds from Africa, featuring Pee We Longway. Oh, yeah, yeah. That song was crazy. I heard him rapping. I was like, I never heard of nigger ratless before, like, a day in my life.

And then Gucci started punching in. The underground, a lot of the underground is, like, taking shit that, like, street dudes are doing and just, like, putting your own twists on it and just freaking it in a crazy direction. Yeah. But, y'all, I seen a tweet the other day about the Weatherman video with Xavier Wolf and Bones. And it was like, that's such a weird video that stands out so much.

And we were hanging out with them like when they dropped that video. And I had no idea that this like 10 years later would be considered like the pinnacle of the underground during that era. Like this kind of represents that so unbelievably well. That video was classic. Super crazy. It's like fucked up green screen. When we used to go hang out with them, they would be like bones, his parents or whatever had a house. And there was like a barn behind the house.

And all those dudes were kicking in this barn all day. And you walk in and it's just backwood guts everywhere on the floor. they didn't clean the shit up they would just dump the woods on the ground and it was yeah one thing about you bro you was really you was really there for every single part of this shit a little bit like pretty much i just like hate not being able to be around for everything yeah especially now that you make a good effort though i like that you had these savage on here the other day that was good that's yeah i was allowed to watch the whole internet i love these savage one of my favorite rappers like i was happy that you brought him on here and you really like i feel like niggas try like fake like try to blackball him like try to say he's living in his car

and make a mad crazy-ass shit about him that wasn't true like that nigga's fire bro like he's a fire rapper he got that process that they try to put everybody through where they build you up they hype you up and then as soon as you don't really like deliver on what they expected from you they just treat you like a fucking joke but I feel like he's kind of like persevered through that and still has a good opportunity yeah

he's the most lit he's more lit not than ever yeah we love D Savage D Savage legend what L.A. artist you guys felt like I fuck with X-4 isn't he's not here D-Savis about here yeah Yeah, I thought X-4. X-Fore. X-Far's fire.

Bitch, when you're getting off your bitch. Got her and showed me X-4 yesterday. I'm not really hip to L.A. music, you know? And I like Dracchio, the ruler, too. There's this X-Four song where he said, bitch, when you get enough work, you a bitch. Yeah. I fuck with that.

Just fire. And Draco, the ruler is really fired, too, R-I-P. I mean, like, he's not like a L.A. rapper, but he's a West Coast rapper. Mike Sherm. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I fuck with obviously a little B.

I fuck a Mazi. little B is the best Bay Area rapper of all kinds I think you and X4 would go crazy I would definitely do a song I would do a song I would do a song at X4 You guys got any other like crazy gym clubs Yeah and Adam you gotta make that happen I'll try to make that happen

I just like I'm trying to picture like What he would even think What is gonna go through his mind When I show him your music But I feel like he I could probably tell him like You might not get it but this shit like Yeah exactly exactly you got you might not get it But this is cool dude the kids the kids are

I feel like that logic might kind of work on him. Dream collabs? All right. I'm trying to think. Alive or dead. Alive or dead? Walk any genre of music.

Michael Jackson. There you go. I guess you're going to be rush in the car. Yeah, I do like rush. That's why I'm thinking about it. I'd want to collab with like Gucci. Yeah. And then Hoodish Pablo Juan,

D Savage. Who else? I'm trying to think who else I fuck with. That dude, part two, the goal mask. I don't know if y'all even know who the fuck that is. I don't do a song with him. What was it part two? P2, the gold mask.

Oh, yeah, I do remember this. Yeah, remember that guy? Yeah, that guy's hard. Yeah, that guy was hard. Niggas didn't really know about him like that. But he was fire. Damn. Chalthy, who else would I fuck with?

Crystal Castles. I'll do a song. I'll do a song with them. With the guy, too? Uh, yeah. Didn't you, like, beat up Alice or whatever? I don't think he knows the lore. I don't know anything about that.

Oh, so. He just knows the music. He just knows the music. I feel like P2 hasn't dropped in like 10 years. Or I guess he has. He just the next year ago. I know the Lord. I'm going to say he's not on the internet like that.

I don't know. He only knows the good music. You feel me? The music's great. The recent music is good too. I don't know. Is that guy still around? There's no making music.

There's some other girl in the band now. Well, it's Alice Glass and I don't know the Indian guy's name, but there's some, there's a new girl now. So Alice Glass is no longer, but it's still that guy. Really? Yeah. Fire shit. I don't know. I don't be reading about shit.

I don't be looking into shit. I just be listening to music. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm not educated to it. But I like their music. No, they ain't dropped since 2016.

Nah, he got a new girl. Oh, wait, they dropped it in 2021. Yeah, like, come on, bro. Don't try to play me, bro. I'll be listening to music. No, you're right. I'll be listening to the music. I didn't look in the right place.

They haven't dropped the album since 2016. And you got to look at the fucking, um, the people. Because she left the band a long time ago. I left a while ago, yeah. Well, yeah, like there's like a whole new girl in that, in that band. They still make music. I'm just surprised it's still a thing. Mad nigg is still listening to it.

There's like a huge controversy that. that guy was like, I'm going on YouTube right now. Bro, who's controversy? Bro, I don't even want to. Didn't it, didn't Cardi literally strangle a girl and beat her up and it was in the news and he got arrested? There's police body cam footage of the girl telling the cops about it too. He got charged, like he went to court. Niggas don't actually care about canceling people.

Yeah, it's just when it's convenient. This one is convenient. Get out of here, bro. That nigga got arrested with charges. Like, come on, bro. You niggas don't care. Yeah. I'm going to say, my.

dream collab is young god young god the you know like from ocean gang really bass legendary um i would also want to work with little v Gucci main um who else uh shit it would be really cool to make a song with juicy jay like yeah i feel like a lot of your music is like heavily like triple six inspired honestly not really but like i fuck with juicy jay but i don't fuck with like Like, like, like, not that I don't fuck with, but like, I don't, like, I don't listen to Three Six Mafia. But I feel like a lot of the shit that I listen to is inspired by Three Six Mafia. So it's like, but I listen to Juicy J a lot. Like, I listen to like the rubber band business.

Like Zips and NW Cup. Yeah. Like, like I listen to JuCJ all the time. I just don't really listen to Three Six like that. I don't really listen to like Memphis rap. I feel like all that like Raider clan and a lot of that like early SoundCloud shit that you probably were super hip on. inspired by, inspired by 3-6. The old ass, when it wasn't even 3-6,

when it was like triple-six mafia and like all that old-ass shit right there. There will definitely be a day in my life where I like wake up and I just listen to every single album by them and get super inspired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, um, I don't know. I really, I listen to a lot of, um, like, high-see. Like, you know, hi-Cy? I listen to a lot of high-sea.

I listen to a lot of, um, I see's fire. I listen to a lot of little Uzi. I would love to make a song a little Uzi. A lot of people saying Uzi fell off. Do you believe that? Man. That's another thing that niggas say. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

That's another thing that niggas say when it's convenient. Niggas, I was in the crad churnum one of my boys. This is my man. I love this nigga. Like, it's one of my boys. I'm chilling with him. He looks at me. He goes, yo, Uzi fell off, man.

He fell off. He's just not like, he's like, Uzi fell off, man. He's not, he was like something about money. He was like, like, Uzi was like selling something, like an apartment or something. And he was like, yeah, bro, pride these money bro he fell off i said what i opened up my phone with the spotify he has 30 million

monthly listeners bro how the fuck did he fall off stop saying niggas fell off that are making money if you have millions of monthly listeners you did not fall off but somebody could fall off and still be like rich and famous and have a big fan base but you feel like they fell off in terms of like quality having a grip on the culture right i mean like maybe you're not like popular or you're not all on everybody's face but if you go to your spotify and you're getting 20 million screens a month yeah you didn't fall off there's mad niggas listening to you unless you're like a part of the robot system like in the machine like a lot of these artists are nowadays where your streams aren't even real to begin with

but if you're someone like T-Pain right we can't be like T-Pain fell off yeah because T-Pain is still got mad fans he still doing whatever the fuck he wants he's great he said he blew 30-mill made it back how the fuck you blow 30 million to make it back if you fell off he doesn't even know what he spent it on you watched the interview he's like yo I blew 30 million I couldn't even sell this shit I bought a bunch of bullshit I'm getting so much money I'm getting money Nika, yes. As OT7, Kwanis said, I got so much cash to think I'm making cash. Nigab blue so much.

Nika blew all the money. He couldn't even sell. He didn't buy any assets. Nigger bought a bunch of nigger stuff and they couldn't even get rid of it. Bunch of jeans. Yeah, a bunch of jeans. That's what happened? What's his name?

A dude, big meat. Bro went broke off Chromeheart's jeans. No, I remember Tack Stone before he got locked up for 40 years that he used to say, like, motherfuckers will make all this money to get locked up. and all you got to show for it is a bunch of jeans. And I was just like, damn, that's so true because dudes will really have like 10 pairs of $1,000 jeans

and like not anything else to their name. No money, no nothing. Just jeans. There's this Sam Hydeskit on Million Dollar Extreme from Adult Swim, and it's like a dating show. And one of the girls who's like a dude dressed as a girl is like, I think every man should have a jeans collection.

It's fucking hilarious. A collection of jeans. A collection of jeans. A gene. Wait, all right, as long as you're going to mention Sam Hyde, how'd you end up doing an Anthony Fantano diss with Sam Hyde? And what was that like? Sam hit me up on the Grammy, like, followed me one day, and then he messaged me.

He was like, yeah, I fuck it your music. Let's make a song. And I was like, Beck, because I've been watching MDE. Like, when I was growing up, my two favorite comedy people where I liked Sam Hyde and I like Dave Chappelle, because to me, they're kind of like the same person, just like different, like color skin. So, like, they kind of like give me the same, like, vibe. And a lot of like, like, isn't like Dave Chappelle?

Like I built a lot of my personality off his show. Like I remember I was watching the show That was the first time I ever saw Kanye But he had Kanye on his show He did like a live performance And that might have been the first time Kanye was ever on TV Forgive me if I'm wrong

But I think that was the first time So many people got introduced to him from that That was the first time he was ever on TV There's some crazy fire song And he was talking shit He was poloed out I was like yo that's fire It's like Sam Hyde kind of like the same way to me

Like he has a lot of cool people around him all the time Yeah And he hit me up and I was like yeah I'm super down to make a song with you And I pulled up on bro and bro was flowing bro was flowing he was rapping we made the song it was lit

he was mad chill yeah something like when I we was hanging out too like he only listened to like old school rap really like real like deep cut like 90s like early 2000's like old school rap like I was chilling with him we were in his he had like a F150

and we were just like riding around chilling he was smoking a cigar I was smoking some weed and he was just blasting that's like all he bumps is every time I've ever hung out with him because we were boxing one time too this old school rap Where did you get the

The vibe because the Matrix Wants to convince you that Sam Hyde is a Nazi? You get any vibes like that? No Fucking Matrix No, the thing is not a Nazi That's crazy I don't even know my niggas be saying that

Honestly, that's why I don't I'm not gonna front I don't really be on the internet I don't be reading none of that shit I don't be going on I thought that shit That should be destroying your brain When I use my phone I mostly watch videos On YouTube

Like hour long videos Educational videos We watch history shit I was watching this one shit did a Lidar scan of the earth from the sky where the pyramids are. And they said that supposedly just like these big ass like pillars underneath the geese of pyramids.

Like, that's what they said. That's what they said. That's what they said. That's what they said that. He looked it up. They said that. Look it up. Have you seen the infographic show?

Yeah. I watched the fuck out of that. Oh. Yeah. That's just fine. All the fucking time. You'd be watching like Will survives type shit. Like you be watching.

Yeah. I like those two when niggas be out in nature. Like what's the outdoor boys? What's the old guy? In Alaska, he's like an old white guy Meat eater I don't fucking know his name With the kid

He has a kid That's outdoor boys That's outdoor boys That's outdoor boys That's odd boy I got the most fire YouTube feed It's like all just like

I've got that guy too Yeah That's who I want to collab with I want to do like I want to do shit like that I want to go That's like TikTok in China Really They just give you educational content

Not like boobs and shit Yeah that's why they're also fucking smart That's like what he's That's the environment he's cultivated for himself Yeah On his phone Wait but did you have

particular animosity towards Anthony Fantano or are you just along for the ride? I don't fuck with Fantano. Oh, okay. Why not? I think that he's a grifter. Oh. He grifts off like music.

Rap music. Like he doesn't, he doesn't even make music. He's like gritty. He cares when bro reviews like Lincoln Park. They only care when he reviews rap. Yeah, bro. He reviews rap music and I feel like he gets purposely

controversial opinions in order to generate hysteria and drive his views up so he can make money. I'm positive that he has money. He's definitely like rich off like rap and like some degree. For sure he better at money or else he really is fucking up. Yeah, he's definitely got money. I don't know. I feel like he's a grifter.

I don't really fuck with him. I like his content. I'm going to be rude with you. But yeah, I feel you. He does seem like a mark. He messes me one time saying some crazy shit to me. Really?

Yeah, I can't even remember what he said. No way. He hit me up one time saying some like shit because I did this shit with Sam. And he was like, yeah, bro, I was fucking with you. I ought to like fuck with your shit too. But like now I'll never fuck with you. Like, you'll never get anywhere because I don't fuck with you. It's like, damn.

So you're like some white dude who thinks that you can control like a young black man's future because I happen to dislike your platform. So now you just like you think that you can stop my whole career by not fucking with me because you don't like me because of some shit. Wow, he's like a mob boss. Yeah. I think he'll never make it in the city. I also think that he's like one of like the like like like things from like like that era of like pitchfork and everything that like when music reviews like really. mattered. I think he's like one of the last remnants of like that clinging to life. Like at the end of the day like music journalism is like it's like a it can either be really

cool or like the lamest thing ever and music reviewers tend to be really lame. It's just the life that he's chosen for himself is absolutely lame. I feel like he kind of like killed pitchfork and all that shit like all the music writing shit has kind of gone away. It was like barely any opportunities in that if you want to be a music journalist. I believe And then meanwhile his shit kills it. And, like, he gets, like, crazy numbers. But then meanwhile, there's, like, very few other YouTube channels that I've seen that are really killing and doing music reviews. Honestly, like...

I want to see pitchfork come back. I feel like... They got by by GQ, which is probably a big part of the problem. Anthony Fantanano wants every rapper to be JPEG Mafia. And don't get me wrong. I love JPEG Mafia. It's actually one of my favorite rappers. I forgot him.

I love JPEG Mafia. He's hard. But, like, we can't all be JPEG Mafia. Yeah. There's already JPEG Mafia. You can appreciate niggas for other things than the same five things every single time. Everyone has something that they can do that special. That makes people like their music.

You feel me? Even if I don't like someone's music, I'll still be like, yo, he's hard though. Or like, I appreciate like what he's doing in like this sense. It's art. Yeah, like there's something that everyone does good. So there's always something that you can say nice about somebody. You feel me like. Have you guys had your feelings hurt or been upset at a certain point where you meet somebody who's kind of like an undergone legend and he's a dickhead?

Yeah. It's got to happen, right? I'm not going to lie. This shit. happened to me recently. I just, um, so I opened up for Slug Christ and Little Tracy and Choppel and Black Cray years ago when I first started rapping in Boston. And then I met Slug Christ like backstage and I was like a big fan of him back then. And then I don't know. I guess like bro just like mad hire or something. But he just like completely ignored my existence. Like he did,

he did. No, well, no, um, years ago, years ago. He didn't know who the fuck I was. That's what I don't really care. But like, it's almost like bro's like looking like right through me. Like he was like, like I was like not even like I was like a hologram but then like last night he came to the show and I actually like formally met him and he was mad cool I want on bro stories he had videos of me performing on his story and shit I'm like sending over my I'm like damn bro I fuck with Slug Christ he's the girl he's one of my favorite rappers ever

but that that kind of stuff comes with being a heroin addict basically I don't know if he still is but I know he was like super gone off the drugs at one point we were with him yesterday and he's chill is he's sobered when we used to be around he was one of the first people actually I didn't see it but like one of my friends went to a party with him after we did the interview and he was like consuming a fucking fentanyl patch like he had broke the shit open and everything which I'd never even heard of at the time and my friend was telling me about it and shit

like he used to be gone but if he's sober that's sick now he's a cool guy's like you never that shit you never know people are going through you never know what's happening to somebody's life right now that might make them come off a certain way when you meet them or when you see him because the rappers are the rangers I think it's true rappers like Pokemon I've had times I'm sitting in my house and the nigga I don't know it's like and that's like and my living room is like, yo, you're trying to make a song? I'm like, bro, what I'm in my house right now? Like, niggins street rappers, like, if I can, like, find this person, I can, like, catch

them. And, like, add into my collection. So whenever you meet a nigga, it's like, you don't know what his vibe is or, like, he's not meeting you on his own terms. Yeah. Like, I was a random kid opening on that show. Like, that nigga didn't know me. He was just, he was just randomly put around me.

Yeah. So he had no reason to be cool to me. So that's, like, I have met some people that were, like, lame. But, like, there's one person, though, who was mad lame. There's one dude What's this nigga's name? Honorable C note Oh, okay, the producer.

Yeah, and I fuck with his music. So he used to be with TJX6. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a show where I opened up for TJX6 at SOBs in Manhattan. That was the other person I was going to say that I feel like you're a rapist. Yeah, I'm influenced by.

But it's not T.J. You see, you're close. It's not T. Casher. Cachor Kwan. They're both goaded. Honestly, like, TJ is a bitch now, but Casher is still tight.

And like, them when they came out rapping, like, revolution. Everyone really fucked with TJ 6, though, but I always thought Cash or Kwong was way better. I thought he was funnier. I thought he made better music. I thought his flow was tighter. And I thought I feel like his shit was more believable. Yeah.

I feel like Casher Kwan really be doing that. Should I follow him on Instagram? That thing could be really hitting him bids. He's not playing. I think TJ, like, saw what Casher was doing and kind of realized that he could turn it up a notch by taking that same shit, like kind of purposely rapping bad, slash talking about the scamming shit. and he kind of had like the business mind a little bit,

which is weird to say that about him because obviously he's just a fucking retard also. But like he kind of took that seed. But yeah, yo, Cash or Kwan needs to make a crazy comeback. Yo, I want to do a song Cash and Khan, actually. He's so fire. My boy, my boy, Danny G.B.

producing for him. Yeah, Danny Jeeb producers songs for like Babytron and like all these like Michigan people. He's a cool dude. I wonder how much cashier's actually been dropping in recent months. He's been dropping some good shit on YouTube. And like he does like a single like once a month type shit. Oh, shit.

Okay, that's what so. It'd be fired, too. No, for sure. Like Cashin Kwan. Yeah, Catch your quad is goaded. For sure, he's a legend. We gotta wrap us up momentarily. You got any questions that are burning a hole in your chest gunner?

Wait, can I ask some questions? Sure. All right, who's your favorite underground rapper ever? Ever? Fuck. That's a tough one. I don't know. It's like so many different eras of shit.

It's like, oh, man. I don't know. Who you'd be bumping the most? In terms of like underground music these days, I'm looking at my playlist right now. I feel like R.SK is like definitely still been a, like he's weirdly endured a lot of years in my playlist. He's a fire rapper.

Still just listen to him because I'm just curious what he's going to do. He's a fire rapper. Ever since I found Nuff all the way up to now, like he's always in like my like top artist. Yeah. He's one of the best rappers. I want to do a song, huh? But last night I played the Chacha Lounge fucking.

You would be hanging out of the cha-cha-cha lounge. What's going on? He brought me there. I was telling him all day about it. It's lit. It's like a lot of people. It's, yeah, it's just like an old-term-day. It always was like that.

20, late 20s, early 30. That shit was crazy. Yeah. But we're like outside smoking dude and some like weird-looking, I don't know if it was biologically a woman or biologically a man. You have to fuck it either way. Or you're a hate monger. Really?

Yep. Well, anyway, she lights and fucking pink nail polish on the fucking wall. Hitler. Oh. And then right above this fucking draws a swastika and all this Josh sent me that. I thought he was saying that that happened like at his crib or something. No. No. That happened last night. And then that girl started accusing us of being the ones that did it. Oh yeah. Oh, dude, I got fucking pink shit on my TFD hoodie. I'm pissed. That's a trans person tagging the word Hitler in bubble letters and then also doing a backwards green swastika. Yeah. Yeah.

What did you think of that? Crazy. I was not a fan and they scared. me when they walked up to me and tried to talk to me inside of the cha-cha lounge. I was hanging out with Slug Christ. We were talking about music. And then this person comes up to me and goes, you look like Sid from skins. And they walk away. I've never watched that show. I've gotten this comment a few times, but I look more like McLevin than that guy.

Yeah, I can see that. My hair short. Found himself a little bit. When my hair short, I look like, yeah, he got mad lit. McLevin had swag. He was the only one in the movie that actually got like pussy. By the end of it, he was like a pussy god. None of them at the end.

If you watch Super Bad, none of them fuck, except for McLevin. McLevin actually gets it. And he was telling with cops that were letting him shoot guns and smoke weed. Like, he was mad lit. Your face last night when I was telling you who'd do the Swatsico, you were just like, bro, I didn't know anything about anything last night.

I was definitely taking it back, though, by that woman that came up to us and tried to accuse us of being the ones that did. It was really funny. He was like, wait, the Christ Dillinger show was tonight. yeah were you there? Yeah, she asked She starts asking me

She starts asking me If I was in my own show And then I go, now I'm Christ Dillinger And she goes, No, you're not No, you're not And then she pulls her phone out

Now that was the one That was accusing us Of having drawn the shit Yeah And she pulls out her phone She fucking Googles me Her shit's not working She's out of data

Or some shit As like you know Niggas like that Be out of data Yeah And then She asked her friend Like yo let me use your phone

And look this thing up And she looks She didn't say that But you know She looks it up And then it's me. And she was like, oh, my God. And he just like starts talking to me and shit.

But she had no idea. Didn't want to give me a cigarette after offering him one? Yeah, offered me a cigarette. I said, no, give it to my man's. She was like, no, I'm not giving it to him. Right. What the fuck? Bad rude.

You ever listen to Dillinger Escape Plan? Yeah, they're fired. Yeah, yeah. Bad fire. I actually really felt with music like that. I like Seather. I like Dillinger Escape Plan. I like a Venn 7fold.

I like fucking Rush. But that's not in that category. I just wanted to throw him in there. I haven't listened to Dillinger Escape Plan since, like, high school, but that shit was fucking big. That's just fine. That's that math rock shit. Yeah, yeah.

That's that math rock. Niggas, forget about that. I wanted to have a hardcore band, but the dude who was in my band wanted to have like a Dillinger Escape Plan style math rock band. So we were kind of constantly at odds because I wanted our shit to sound like cromags or something. And he wanted it to be like, I couldn't really go for it. Aren't you from New Hampshire? Yeah.

Yeah, that's fire. New Hampshire is very good. I used to live across the bridge from Portsmouth for a little bit. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, I'm sure sick.

Very, very gully. I like the East Coast. You know, it's killing me that we can't go a full two hours, but I got to fucking do three interviews today.

Thank you guys. You guys ever seen the TV show Severance? No. My boy's been telling me to watch that. You got to get into it. Picture this. Is it really that far? It's insane.

But picture this. You can go to work, but you have like a brain implant so that when you go to work, your brain basically like severes itself and you turn into a different person when you go to work. And then assume,

as you leave work you go back to being the other person so that way like when you're at work it doesn't it's not like you're a person who's just like bored as fuck at work yeah you have like a separate mind that gets activated when you go away that's kind of like that one movie

the substance that's the start of the show and then things get real crazy from there it turns out the company who's created this technology is very evil oh really it turns out yeah what a coincidence I could have never guess for sure All right, yo, thank you to my favorite YSL member, Gunner, in the building.

Young Vanplife, for sure. Christ Dillinger, as a soldier, I appreciate you guys for show. Shout out, no jumper. Let's do a song next time you guys come back. We got to get him to wrap, too. Shout out, no jumper. Shout out, no jumper. Appreciate you guys for real.

Everybody go turn them up if you somehow haven't heard them. Like, comment, subscribe. We out. Bye.