No Jumper - Clem on Being Jeezy's Right Hand Man for 15 Years, Gucci Dissing Pookie Loc, Rick Ross Beef & More

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And I'm sitting down today with a guy who I became a fan of. I got to show love to my guy, Cam Capone. It's been doing some great work out there. And you've kind of become a regular on his podcast. But just so everybody knows, you were basically there every step of the way throughout the formation of Young Jeezy's career.

And then lately you kind of like step more into the forefront in terms of telling your story about. what all those years were like and everything. Right, right. My man Clem is in the building. I'm here, man. How you feeling? I feel good, you know?

Straight from Indianapolis, Indiana, Nap Town. Okay. All where you're here to no jumper. Because that's where you're originally from. Yeah, I'm from Indianapolis, yep. Right. Okay. And so what was your childhood like?

I guess let's do some early stuff. My childhood was good, you know. Regular black childhood, growing up in the ghetto. So we had a strong family hold. Grandma made sure everybody was straight. Family was straight, you know, basically just making it. And really, that's, you know, it was, we had a strong family. Right.

So causing my grandmother and, you know, my cousins, Coach Kay. Right. So, you know, so. And so was that like your sole window into what was going on in the music business in the entertainment business because he was older and he was already being successful? That was my big cousin. So, and I always looked up to him. So I always wanted to do what he did.

So whatever he was doing, I wanted to do. Right. And he always has been into music. Even when he was in Indianapolis, like being going to clubs, running clubs, bringing people to clubs, being a promoter for people. Since like as early as you can remember, he was always having success in that regard. Because I noticed the way you talk about him is like kind of on like a, not like a God type level, but like you don't put him in any of the politics

or any of the shit you were involved in. It's like you always kind of had him in this like business genius sort of category. That's my blood. That's my family. You know, no matter what went on with the GZEZ situation and all that, between him and GZZEZ was business. I looked at as all business.

At the end of the day when he left, I stayed because I was already so in depth in it with him. with Gizi, but that don't mean none because that's still my family. Right. We both know what was going on. I always seen coach. Don't nobody know that. I pull up a coach at QC Studios all the time.

That's my family. I know where it's kind of way I knew. Like, you know, family of functions, Thanksgiving, Christmas, we're there. Like, so. Right. But so, okay, you, was that like kind of your plan when you were, like, getting out of high school? It was like, I'm going to hollering a coach and try to, like, kind of see if I can get something going in the music business? Yeah, I already.

knew that when I got out of high school, I was going to move to Atlanta, because that's where he was. But my uncles and aunties, even his mama, already had lived in Atlanta in the 90s. So I was coming to Atlanta in the 90s as in middle school and stuff for summer, vacations to stay with my uncle and aunties. And you're seeing that it's late compared to Indiana. It was lit. Yeah, it was a whole, it was different from where I came from, like totally different. So, and I always knew I wanted to go there and then when coach left about, I want to say he left about 96, 95, something like that. When he left, I knew I was going to be there after. You know what I'm saying? Because I knew whatever he was about to go do, he was going to do it. Right. Okay. And so you, how do you go about kind of moving out there when it's time for you to do that? Um, but before all that, I was still living in Indianapolis. So I would just go back and forth like coach would call us. like birthday badge coming up, come down.

Y'all go do the promotion with Gizi. So he's giving you like little jobs? Yeah, he gave me little jobs. So I brought me in like four of my homeboys from Indianapolis down. And we went and did promotion for him. Like the first All-Star game, we was there doing promotion for Gizi.

Like, so that's how we, that's how I even got to know Gizi because I started doing promotion for him. Right. And I ended up getting locked up with a pistol in Atlanta doing promotions for him. Right. And you just had it on you?

Like, did Coach K tell you that you should probably have a gun on you or is that just how you were moving around at the time? No, where I'm from. It's just like that. Yeah, Indianapolis, where I'm from, yeah. You better, yeah, you better have a pistol. Mm-hmm. You know, we are hour and a half from Chicago.

Right. Three hours from St. Louis, an hour and a half from Louisville. Ohio, an hour and a half, you know, mid-west. Right. Definitely. So what was your first impression of Gizi? Because I've been listening to so many different people's stories. Thank you again to Cam Capone. He's been interviewing like Dread and I think he had slick pull-a on there

and just all these different people that were kind of involved in this time period. And it is kind of shocking to me how many of the people that Gizi spent all that time around he ended up falling out with and just basically they ended up not really having great things to say about him. Yeah, but see, my situation is different from all theirs. Okay. Because my situation is not about no money. It's not about no contracts. It's not about no beats.

It's not about no songs being written. It's not about no credits or no albums or nothing. This is all about him breaking his word and not keeping it 100 like we, you know, the word I'm trying to get at. Like we all said together, like having a ritual. You know what I'm saying? and sitting around the round table and saying this is what it is. Right.

And this is what we're going to do and we ain't breaking the code. What specifically, though, like, you mean just like him referring to you as his brother? Like, what was it exactly that he didn't do that you felt like you were supposed to have done? I mean, just keep it 100 with what you said. Like, you broke every word into everybody. Like, I was the last one there. You know what I'm saying? I was the last one there.

And I left. And that's, I left because one day we was in my name. Miami and see if anybody know anybody was around like when he had the 10 year anniversary and all that I was still with him but I didn't go I didn't go to none of that because we was already at odds really I was already calculating my steps to get the on you feel me and it really wasn't that hard cause I was you know but my loyalty was with him you know what I'm saying like we did so much together and and the shit that we did together I thought that that that's going to be for life like loyalty was nothing right In my eyes to him now, because I wasn't there for the money. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't there for the money. Right. I was there for the loyalty and the love that I had for him.

And that I had for the whole family, not just him. Like from all the making boys' crew, from Univille, all my, all the homies, like, rest of peace, kingpin, rest of piece, pookyloak. Like, all, like, I learned a lot from being with them. Right. They're members. I'm not a member, but I learned a lot about brotherhood and having love for your brother for real and not crossing him out. Well, yeah, it's kind of crazy because it feels like to him,

maybe you were just useful to him in that moment. And like, you know, he's a celebrity and he's trying to get as far as he can possibly get in his career. But to you, when he's talking about brotherhood and loyalty and stuff like that, you took that very literally, you know. Yeah, because you got these tattoos on me? Yeah, you got CT all over the place, huh? All over the place, and we got these together.

I didn't get this on my own, like, I'm going to get these. No, me and him got these together. If you look on his arm, he got the same tattoo right here. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, and when we did it, that was it. Like, if this is what we're doing, it's what we're doing. And it's to death do us part. That's what he said.

So that's my whole thing. I'm just bringing it to light. and letting him remember that you said this for life. So I'm going to make you remember this shit for life. Right. I ain't letting up. And I ain't looking for nothing. I don't want to sit down.

I don't want no money. Ain't nothing you can give me. Right. You already broke the cold. Ain't no cold no more. Right. That's how I look at it. But going back to the early days,

like how did you get close to him in the first place? Like, because you doing like the promotion stuff, you could have easily not got close to him, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. but real recognized real man you know that's all i can say about that like he knew when he seen me and been around me he knew i wasn't no flaw he knew i wasn't no sucker he knew i was just a real i was just a real i could think for itself that's why he put me in the position of jizi's little brother you know what i'm saying that's why he would send me to the bank with three four hundred thousand and put in or go pick up

three, four hundred thousand and bring into him or carry a bag that got all this money in it or have all this year. Anytime I could have 300,000 in my car, I could have went back to my city. He ain't about to come up there. A lot of people probably would have in that situation. That's all I'm saying

but I wasn't there for that. Definitely. So, okay, but how do you actually become closer to him once you stopped around him? I had went back to, I had went back to Indianapolis for a minute and he had called me. and he was like, hey, I'm about to get this,

I'm about to get this music shit, we're about to, we about to go with this music shit, we're out of here. So when you first met him, he was still kind of trying to make it happen. Yeah, when I first met, they were still in the streets. Yeah, they were still in the streets. Yeah.

Because you understand, BMF was still out. Right, but people always want to act like GZ was not like a real participant in BMF or not. He wasn't a participant because he was CTE. He was a BMF. He was METI's friend. But CTE has a participant. had their own street shit going at the time.

It was like a separate thing. Yeah, if you watched that interview with BMF Bull, he said it. He said, GZi always had his CTE shit going on. Right. Because he did. That was him and meets with just friends. You know what I'm saying? So even the narratives, they'd be talking about BMF paid for studio time.

They paid for it. That's just lies. Like, I would never, what I got going on with GZ is personal. And it's not about what he did before. Because what he did before, I know it's true. I know about the street shit I've seen it in my own eyes I seen the money in my own eyes

Right You know what I'm saying He brought a million dollars Him and Kinky B brought a million dollars in cash to the Thud Motivation 101 photo shoot They money like it wasn't You know what I'm saying

But just in general Normally we expect like rival Or like drug crews in the same city To not necessarily get along How did it end up being the BMF decided Like okay we're going to make this guy Kind of like our rapper That we're going to sort of stamp

they didn't it was I mean he was like I said he was friends with meech so they was hanging out together you know he was you know y'all could put it together if you're friends with meech and you're in the streets you know what I'm saying so they were doing business whatever they was doing I don't you know but I'm just saying like they didn't have the stamping called what's what meant to be is meant to be you couldn't deny his music they always talking about they stamped him but what would be about what happened with Blue Da Vinci. Yeah.

He got all the videos and all the money and all the cars. They're stamping him hard. Certain thing is meant to be. You couldn't deny Jeez. So if you, is Jeezzy's part of your crew, and you hear this music, and he's slapping in the club. That's good for everybody. Right.

But it ain't like they were just going around paying for DJs to play the songs. When the DJ heard the shit, they had to play. Like, this shit's just crazy. Right. So when Rick Ross said, like, you're not a member, You're just an affiliate in that one song? Was it, was it Rick Rosser said it? Is that not really an accurate description of how close he actually was to those guys?

Shit. In my eyes, right now, what would you want to be? Affiliate. You're right. I'm not a member. Once the Fed charges start coming down, yeah, for sure. I'll be an affiliate. Thank you, Rick Ross.

Thank you, Rick Ross for that song. I don't want to, yeah, I'm an affiliate. Right. I just hang around. I ain't doing nothing. Right. Definitely. Okay.

But so you go back to Indian. Indianapolis, and then he starts calling you and wants you to come back out what? He just needed somebody else solid to kind of be around, help keep the operation moving? You know, when he called, he just said, I fuck with you. Like, I fuck with you. I see you were real when you solid. I want you come. I'm about to do this music shit.

You coach cousin. So why not? You know, and then when I flew back to Atlanta, I stayed with coach for like two weeks, and then Jeezzy like shit, fuck that. You're about to move with me. So that's how. that's how that happened right definitely so when you get out there though what kind of stuff is your day-to-day my day-to-day with jeezie and just every crazy shit man fucking all-night parties not

going to sleep shopping like cars bitches like everything you could think of is like that was going on it was he partying though hell yeah but like what just drinking and shit I mean, everybody was drinking, yeah, drinking, smoking weed. Right. Yeah. Okay. Like, whatever was going on in the club, he was doing it too. They buying bottles, he's buying bottles.

Right. Like, I don't, that's why I'm not going to take away from what he did in the streets. He, he had money. I seen him in my own eyes. I moved him out of apartments. I moved him out of condos. I moved him out of houses. All this shit were faux rap.

He was already standing in goddamn, like, an $8,000 condo. behind Fitz Plaza in Atlanta in Buckhead. This is before rap. So you can't take, I can't take that away from me. You know what I'm saying? Everything he did in the streets and he rap about on his song, that shit,

that's for real. Right. Like, that's all it is. So from your perspective, when did it actually really start blowing up? Like, when did it stop feeling like you were kind of struggling and start feeling like, oh, shit, we're actually taken off.

And what was that like? Um, I would have to say I never, like the struggle was the struggle was never, I never seen the struggle. Hmm. All I seen was the progress and every day it was getting better and better and better. You got to understand, I've been there since, I've been there since streets is watching and, um, come shop with me, double disc. I was telling that in my, in my city on 34, 15. Keystone. That was in 2002. So in 2003,

2003, 2004, that's when I probably moved there. And that's what Streets was watching came out. We passed out a half a million CDs that birthday badge. No lie. Half a million CD. And we bagged them all up ourselves. Like, everybody. So, and we passed them out. And no lie. Later on that night, about two hours later, we

riding everybody named Mama's playing the CD. Right. Talking about everybody. It's fucking going crazy. It's crazy that that kind of promotion worked at that time. But you really kind of force your way into the brains of people by just giving out hell of CDs because some percentage of people are just going to start listening to it and shit.

Yep. And when you looked at it, you would look at it, you would want to do it with Streis is watching. God, they got like 20-something songs on here. Put this shit in. Niggas like your heart. They put it in. That shit was undeniable.

Right. Yeah, it was weird because I'm in New York at the time and it's like all of a sudden we're just seeing like that was when the it became like extremely clear of like oh this down south shit is like really taking over and New York rap doesn't isn't

necessarily going to be at the forefront of the conversation because we kind of watched as 50 and dipset and Mobb Deep and all the Jay Zs and the Nazes and all this shit kind of takes a backseat to GZ and Gucci and all this shit

coming out of Atlanta and stuff and from our perspective it was kind of crazy because you know you're looking at like a jZ versus like a j-z and like lyrically he's not even trying to be on that kind of level but it was just blowing the fuck up right take the back seat to jizzie i don't know about no fucking Gucci yeah yeah why are you still hold on to that grudge against Gucci so bad it gets deep some shit for life right that's all that's how i feel some shit for life right you know what I'm saying like some shit you just don't let go I don't get for what's involved You know what I'm saying?

Like, you just don't let some shit go. And then when you, you know, I just feel like that shit was a smack in the face to a lot of people when he did that, when he did that versus shit, man. Really? That shit was a smack in the face. And I'm talking about jeezie smacking us in the face.

Because we expected that from here. And so when that happened, did you think it was a smack in the face before it even occurred? Because once it occurred, it ended up being way more disrespectful than probably anybody could have expected in terms of Gucci actually like saying the shit about smoking Pookieloak. I don't think anybody expected him to say that.

Right, right, right. No, they expect him to say it. They expecting him. If you know, if you know, you know, everything he did, I expected it. I knew he was going to do it. If he wouldn't have did it, what else would it really been for the verses? Because he has no songs to match up with Jesus catalog. I'm just going to keep it 100.

But he has a lot of big records. Man, like, bigger than who? Probably not as big as GZ. Thank you. That's all I'm saying. Like, and they know this. Like, we're talking about... Okay, but let's be real.

At this moment in time, Gucci's career and his catalog, I feel like in a lot of ways, kind of aged better than Gizi. I feel like GZZ's music is not necessarily as in touch with the younger generation. I know you don't want to hear this. But on the other hand,

I feel like countless times. I will have young artists on here and I realized that Gucci was like the first artist. Gucci and Wayne and shit that they first tapped in with when they were younger. I feel like in a lot of ways, even if it wasn't as big, it was more influential. Yeah, because he was

down there with him. He was down there with him. We weren't down there with him. We on Blueprint 3 tour with Jay-Z. He's down there with him. We're up there. So that's why. you know, it's a different levels to the game.

He was still dragging his feet while we took flight. Right. Jesus, it became this like pop star rapper almost. Yeah, so that's where a lot of disconnect came from with the upcoming, upcomings, you know what I'm saying? And then, okay, but that's another way that you have to compare him. Gucci has been throughout his career, unbelievably good at signing up and coming talent

and finding an artist before they cracked off. list all day of the thugs and the Migos and the Dolfs and the scooters and million motherfuckers who have been very closely connected to him early on. GZ on the other hand is almost like an ongoing joke that I hear people mention is that he's kind of the opposite of that where he never really succeeded at putting anybody on. Yeah, you know, that's true. But, I mean, I don't know who really Gucci put on. I really don't pay attention to him.

Right. You know, but, you know, it's true. Gizi didn't, he never wanted, Gizi didn't know, he couldn't put nobody on because he didn't know how to. That's all it is. It's hard to even make yourself hot. It's hard to keep yourself hot.

So you really, but, but it was his fault because it was his fault, man. It was his fault. He did so much dirty shit and stabbed so many motherfuckers in the back and turned his back on so many people that was there to help him in his career to where we was at.

at a point, you know what I'm saying? So he just, because he didn't, he, like the USDA, like they came out with no promotion and went go, right? This was no, he kicked them off the tour. Right. It was supposed to be a G-D-Prescent USDA tour. And why did he kick him off? Did it even benefit him financially to kick them off?

Was that like, oh, he's going to get more of the money if he... That's how we look at it now. Now everything's unfolded. It was like, you know, he wanted everything for it. Because why wouldn't you take your group on tour? You know what I'm saying? They just went gold. If you take them on tour, they definitely don't go platinum.

You took them off the tour, told them you don't want them on the tour, did the tour by yourself. Yeah. But I mean, even going before that, like I remember before GZ even really fully blew up, he was in that group, boys in the hood. And they had puff behind it. And it was like, oh, shit, this is like a new group coming out of Atlanta. there's not a lot of this kind of energy coming out and everything. But at the same time, it's like Gizi was having like a solo career

that was kind of blown up at the same time. So a lot of people are looking at the boys in the hood shit, like, how is this going to survive this? And then sure enough, Gizi ended up leaving before the shit damn near even got off the ground, right? Do you consider that another example of that sort of selfish mentality? Um, I mean, not really, because I think they knew what they signed up for.

you got a guy that signed to a group just for an album it wasn't for nothing else albums and video it wasn't no contract to go on tour with them and nothing so the vision was not for this to last 10 years no the vision for the vision was to make what GZ and CTE got going on even more bigger that's what that was the plan right it wasn't no no it really wasn't no plan to just oh we're about to take

these boys in the hood shit to the map no We're about to ride that little wave while our way was riding to put it together. And he signed a solo deal with Dev Jam at the same time. Right. So when did that ever happen? But was the idea like, oh, this way I'm going to have Def Jam promoting me as a solo artist and then I can have Puff and whoever else is involved in the Boys in the Hood shit promote me at the same time.

Because at the time, it was like how much promotion you were getting was basically like decided by the label budgets that were going to get you magazine ads and the magazine features. But how about him signing with boys? in the hood and Puff made the negotiations even better at DeFijam. They wanted a part of it. And he's already got his own buzz going dumb all around the South. Cricket market going crazy, running around getting dumb money. Right.

You know, so they wanted a part of it. It was undeniable. Right. Definitely. And so you're saying that like him leaving that group was inevitable. So that's not really like a good example of. some snake shit or some disloyal type shit, the same way that the USDA thing he was?

No, because he even told, I know for a fact, he told boys in the hood, man, y'all might as well come over here with me and go on tour with me. Y'all gonna get more money. Y'all going on tour with blocking them, you ain't your pockets. Y'all come over here with me.

It's guaranteed. It's gonna be a big bag. Because my buzz is stupid right now. I don't need y'all at all. Definitely. So, okay, going back to the Gucci thing, that feels like that's kind of worth digging into. Like, when that shit began, you know, that conflict,

were you around for the So I see negotiations or him even appearing on that song? Did he even think of it as a big deal when he first appeared on the So Icy song? Yeah, I was there when he did the verse. I was there when he shot the video. And did it seem like nothing at the time like Gucci was just another random rapper

that he's doing a song with? Yeah, that's all it was. It was another nigga that was coming up in Atlanta. Right. And everybody was cool then, though. Everybody was cool. You know, we did so icy. We did black tea.

Right. So, you know, the beef never came from so icy. Never. There was never no beef about so icy. Wasn't nobody trying to get that record and nothing that shit. It wasn't about that. It was some other shit.

What was that? That it was, it was just motherfuckers and niggas ears making the motherfucker hate that's all it was people all in his ear and you know he really thought GZ dissed him on Trappadai when he said

I got Mo G's in the Gucci bag you know because we had got word that he thought that shit but we was like what and it wasn't about that no he said he said it I got Mo J's in the Gucci bag he didn't say Gucci man that's not yeah that's a stretch yeah like you know it was just

You know, it was just, I don't know, man. It was just egos involved? That shit get deep. But so was your knowledge of Gucci? Because I always heard that he wanted to fuck with BMF, but they viewed him as too much of a robber and that he had too many problems with people, so they weren't really trying to fuck with him.

You know, I really don't know. I wouldn't BMF. I was CTE, and I wasn't, you know. But if there were people in Jeezy's ear basically telling him not to fuck with Gucci, it would make sense that it was people. who had that impression No, no, no.

But you can't because you can't you can't tell another man that got money all we ain't fucking with him, Dissing. No, that shit was on some other shit. That shit was on some ego shit.

You know, we both coming up. We both got a buzz. Let's see who went out this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? And shit got deep and whatever, whatever, and, you know. But Gucci also had this

version of it that he told where basically Gizi was performing and he was performing the song without Gucci's verse on it, which from my perspective in the music industry, not really that out of the ordinary. Something that happens all the time is that me and you do a song together and the song becomes a big hit, you're performing it on the road, even if it's technically an M-22 song, you're going to be performing it, right? That's pretty normal. Although I could understand how Gucci as being somebody who's kind of new in the music business

and kind of hard-headed and hot-headed that he would maybe look at that and be like, how is he not performing this in full with me coming out, right? Is he there? Gucci. Was he there performing with him or he should just be playing his verse? I'm not sure if there was, like, one example of it happening when he was there, and he felt like he should have been involved. But I've seen that a million times where he had a festival or a show with, like, you know,

10 artists on the bill or whatever, and there's two artists that have a song together, and one of them performs a song and does not bring out the other one, even if they got a song together. I've seen him many times. Yeah. You know, I really don't know, man. Like, we killed him on every verse. So it really didn't matter.

I love that you're still holding it down for him, man. Loyalty dies hard with Clem. Yeah, for sure. I like that. I live by that. For real. So, okay, but what ends up happening where, like, you know, Gucci basically gets the idea,

and actually I think it was on a mixtape, that there was money on his head to come back with his chain. now I know you're probably going to be particular about how you discuss this but how much truth was there to that idea it was just a verse it was just a verse it wasn't I don't know it was a verse or the end of the song it was just something to say you know what I'm saying I mean at the time shit I guess fuck it yeah go for it fucking right you know if a nigga said that's what a nigga meant back then but he didn't mean that now because you know he made up with him so right

but it wasn't serious enough that GZ would have actually sent somebody after him, but it was serious enough that he would, what, joke around about the idea of sending somebody after him on a mixtape outro? Yeah, it was just a song. Right. It was just a song. It wasn't nothing to it. He really didn't mean it.

For sure. So, okay, then this incident occurs where somebody who I get the idea that you were good friends with him, Pookie Loke ends up losing his life. What was your relationship with Pookie Loke? What can you tell us about him? Real one, real member. They call him the general. You know, rest of peace, pookyloat, rest of a piece, king, peen.

You know, far as that go, you know, I don't even know what to say, man. Like, shit. I'm going to just leave that shit alone. That shit gets real personal and deep, you know. That's why I say, we're niggas, we never cool. We never cool. because I looked at niggas like my family and my brothers and they held me down like family

so it's only right for me to still hold it down was Pugly-Loc somebody that GZ was like very, very close with or was it somebody who he just had like a sort of seeing him around type relationship? No, Pookie Lokey Loa was a group. They had a group called Locke's Lifestyle. Was that early on?

Yeah, that was early on, yeah. Yeah, so that's why they was part of the crew. Right. Did you ever get wind of the fact that I did an interview with this guy, Young Throwback, who basically said that he was part of Gucci's entourage, and he kind of stopped short of 100% saying it, but he basically made it sound like that scenario in which Gucci

allegedly killed Pugulog that he was actually the one who was there. I don't even know who that is. Who? Young throwback that doesn't ring a bell? Nope. not at all he said what he basically made it sound

like he was the one who ended up pulling the trigger that night damn he said that that's news to you yeah he kind of stopped short of saying it 100% so I kind of left the interview

a little bit confused what exactly he was intending to get across I never heard of him really interesting I know he was around in the scene at that time

but didn't know him okay like I said we was they was they was beneath us. Like, we was a, we was, we was like, it was, I didn't know them guys, man.

Those guys went even welcome in the city of Atlanta limits for years. And that's true facts. Gucci and everybody was with him. Whatever his crew was back then. That's just facts. I'm just gonna keep it 100. All the bulls shit everybody, they'd be talking like

it was, it was getting, it was a belt getting put to ass back then. Really? If motherfuckers came across, niggas. After that incident. Yeah, way after that incident. Yeah, way after that. Damn, so it got tricky after that, okay. Do you remember where you were when you heard the news about what happened to Pugge?

No, I can't really remember. I think I might have been, I don't know where I was. I might have been at the Lung Mansion. Or I might have been at, I don't know where I was. I can't remember. Okay. I can't remember where I was. but so you guys must have been pretty conscious of the fact that even as big as jizi was on like a commercial level that there's a lot of you know there was a lot of energy in the streets and whatnot in the the more like ground level consumer that was really loving the dissing and the beef side of things and maybe that stuff doesn't make you popping on the radio or whatever but that definitely was like a conversation that was going on was that something that was like really upset in a jizi that Gucci was kind of controlling the narrative and

about him on a certain level? Yeah, he was controlling the narrative because we was gone so much and we on the road. We on the road seven days a week all month. Like, we on the road, so when we come back in town, you know, they probably draw the couple of mixtapes,

said some shit, you know, and it's back on. You know what I'm saying? That's when he made that 23, 24 song. That was when he chose to finally kind of clap back. Yep. Found.

Yep. Because he tried to. It was a lot. I mean, it was a lot of, it was a lot of, like, clapping back.

We had, it was a few songs out there that motherfucker got on his ass. Right. But, you know, we weren't on that.

Because we had real music coming out. You know what I'm saying? We, we didn't, when none that this song was on no albums. That shit was on mixtapes.

We won't give me that shit no light. Right. You know. Yeah, it's always a tough decision to make even in like the podcast shit, where it's like if somebody's talking about me, it's like you don't really want to respond to somebody who's significantly smaller than you because then it's like you're doing promotion for that person. Right. But then on the other hand. But sometimes you've got to get on somebody else.

Yeah. That's what that's all it is. Sometimes the fans will just lose respect for you if you're, if you seem like you're not willing to engage. Yeah, they will. They will. And that's what, and that's what happened to him. Right. He quit trying to engage.

He should have kept with. with that shit. Fuck that nigga. Yeah. We're gonna ride that shit till we're done. Like, ain't no love. Ain't no making up. Ain't no shaking no hands.

What kind of shit is that? Right. But, I mean, Gucci, to be fair, like, there's a few times throughout, like, rap disc history

that stand out to me as, like, moments where some shit got said that had never really been said before. And, like, obviously, we think of the Chicago dudes

and the smoking on their ops and all this kind of shit and disand-dead people. and all that kind of shit. But even before that, Gucci kind of like made everybody's jaw drop when he said that shit where he said like,

go dig your partner up. I bet he won't say shit. Did that kind of like take it to a whole different level of disrespect where it's like, all right, now we've got to really be thinking about responding and whatnot?

There ain't no response. Too real for the internet? It's too real. Once you start talking like that, it's just too real. Ain't no response. You know, just hope you just pray one day,

you ain't got to run across them people. That's all. Right. And you know you talk like that because you know you ain't got to run across them people. But you never know that you might run across them people. Have that same energy.

Yeah, I guess that's part of what Gucci kind of moves the way he does at this point. It's very presidential vibes whenever he goes out in public from what I hear. I really don't even pay attention to Cucci, man. So, but you didn't have problems with other people in the group. Like if you had seen O.J. the Juice Man, I guess they had probably fallen out already by that point.

When it's on, it's on, everybody gets it. Really? The whole crew. Ain't no, you get no pass. That's who you, y'all with them? Take this. But do you run in a, you rather a cool relationship with Walker, right? Is that different?

I mean, that shit, me and Walker relationship got cool after the fact. Okay. You know what I'm saying? After certain, she had calmed down and she had, you know, years had passed. Because they fell out by like 2010 anyway. Right. But, you know what I mean? I just used to see, you know, I used to see Walker out sometimes.

And, you know, it would just be like, you know, we just shake up and be like saluting, we keep it moving. You wouldn't know, like, all my homeboy or nothing. Right. You know, you respect y'all. Y'all respect, y'all respect us. For sure. Did you guys ever run into Gucci after that? Like, after all that shit happened?

Was there any kind of seeing each other or anything that didn't really necessarily make big headlines? Yeah, a lot of shit. A lot of shit. Really? I still can't make him make headlines, though. I can't Keefe Dea, brother. I can't Keefei D at him. But there's Keefei D level shit going on or what?

No, not like that. Nope, nope. There's a petty, petty shit going on. Right. Petty fights. That's all. I mean, the KVD shit is because, like, when you're 30 years after the shit and everybody's dead, then, like, KVD.

We're almost lucky to have him because he really kind of broke that whole story down so we knew what happened, you know? Right. So is there a chance that we're going to see a 60-year-old Clem? Hell no. Saying everything that ever happened? Hell no. I'm going to take some shit to the grade with me. Right.

That's just the cold, you know what I'm saying? Mm. But really, it's just, it's just personal, Adam. Like, it ain't about nothing else. Like, it's just personal between me and him. He know. He know. He knows why.

And so what year did you stop fucking with him? Do you officially go your own way? 2016. Okay. So by the time 2020 rolls around and he decides to do the versus battle, you've been gone for a minute at that point? Yeah, yeah, I've been gone. I've been gone for a minute.

Okay. And did you think that this was something that ever would have happened? I mean, yeah, how he was moving, yeah. You know what I'm saying? How he was moving. You could tell by everything he was trying to do. he was trying to get into another door

or another level in life I don't know what he had playing you know he went over to the career found the bitch was married and all that type of shit I don't know

what he got going on do you believe that she was cheating with Mario Lopez and that's why they got divorced no if anything I believe he was cheap shit

right I know that man Mario Lopez of all people and he married Mario Lopez I believe so yeah I looked it up yesterday he was 50

He's 50, so he's still in the game. Damn, he's 50? Yeah. He looks good for 50. He stayed in shape all these fucking years, so you don't really look like most 50-year-olds. No, I thought, I didn't know he's 50. He has been out for a long-ass time. You watched Say About a Bell in your kid?

Saved by the Bell. Yeah. Save by the Bell. How old are you? 42. Shit, you only got a couple years on me, but I was a crackhead for Save By the Bell when I was a kid. That was just the show that he was on when I was like, I don't know, six years or whatever they would watch on TV.

Hell no, I say about it. I don't think I never caught that one. Never made its way to Indiana. Never made the way to the ghetto, I guess. Interesting. Okay. But so, were you watching the versus battle live when it went down? Hell, no, I didn't watch that shit. Okay. Not at all.

So you had to hear about it from Instagram pages and shit? Yeah, Instagram pages, motherfuckers clowning on there. You see people going live, praising the shit. Right. You know, all the lame shit, which, you know, I expected this phone. That's why I didn't watch. I know he was going to do some stupid shit. Right.

He's retarded. So, but, you know, we can get off for him, you know. Okay. Last question, though, is just, I don't know, like, just how does that feel to, like, see him squashing that beef? And why is it so, if you were still cool with him, do you think that you would be able to be on board with him squashing the beef? Hell, no. No. I still on board with that shit, probably when he went down.

You know, but he is his own man, he choose what he wanted to do If I was still around and he was doing that shit I would have left then. Really? Hell yeah. I ain't squashing no beef. Not all the shit we've been through.

People lost lies, went to jail, motherfucking, all type of shit behind that shit, man. Right. So for you to go do that, like I said, it was a smack in the face to everybody. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of people, man. Right.

A lot of day. day ones like for real that that shit that shit shouldn't never happen that's why it happened you know he looked over there he seen the crew geez he had with him a bunch of bitch-ass niggas probably worked my move he he felt no threat tell you one thing if them day ones would have been in that versus matter of fact probably wouldn't even been no verses right i'm just gonna be honest interesting it was a crazy image though because you seen like uh QCP and i don't know if coach kay was there but like Gucci's just like with all these like big time Atlanta music icons and it kind of felt and even oh man I remember people getting on jizi's ass

about the clothes because he was just wearing like a basketball jersey and Gucci had all the designer shit on i don't know who dressing in there did you see him at the BET award i don't think so he held him the short set jumper set oh okay yeah man, I don't know who's dressing that man, man. I think he had some steel-toed boots or some shit. Hey, man, I don't know, bro. Wow. That's tough.

I guess he didn't think that people were going to be judging, like, outfit versus outfit, but it's 20-23. You're supposed to be fucking young jeezy, man. Yeah. For real, though, like. You come in in a promo shirt or something. You coming in a, yeah, come on, man. I don't know if he's trying to save money. What are you trying to do?

But shit. Fucking up a legacy. Right. Damn. Okay. So back in the day though in the early days of his career, like how controversial was the fact that he was kind of running shit to some extent all around Atlanta that you guys were really like making Atlanta your home, but he wasn't actually technically from Atlanta. Like how big a deal was that? That's what a lot of the, that's probably what a lot of issues came from. He's not from Atlanta. He's not from Atlanta. but shit we came and took that bitch over we paint the city blue every night right no lie

100 200 crypts every night moving dead ass and so how did you avoid falling into the crypt thing or did you was that something you just kind of accepted at a certain point I mean no they was doing with my brothers like we became a family

you know what I'm saying and that and that's That's what they doing. So I'm guilty by association. Right. And that's my family. That's my brothers. We're on the road together.

We, we everywhere together. We putting our life in each other hands. So I'm with what they wit. That's all that was. Was it hard to manage, like having that many gang members rolling through to like club, shit and concerts and stuff like that?

No, not really because they all was, they all was already militant. Like, they were members. So, and they just weren't no little boys. They, niggas was, niggas was men, niggas been out there doing shit so they know how to move. That's why Jesus was able to move like that and never get touched. You know what I'm saying?

Because he was moving right at the time. He was moving right. Yeah, you had niggas that was really watching, really making sure you were safe. Before you can even get to Jesus, you got to go through a line of niggas. And they weren't playing. You come on some bullshit, your ass is, your ass is gray.

You violate, we demonstrate. That was the, that what we see it. You violate, we demonstrate. And we never lost one. How many of those people who think still got a relationship with GZ you know? Nobody. Really?

Like, actually nobody? Nobody. I talk to everybody. What do you think that is? That he just, as a person, doesn't necessarily stay close to people or try to maintain those kind of relationships? Man, I don't know.

I look at it as self-finitioned greed. man a lot of backstabbing with him, bro. A lot of dishonest shit. Really? You know? But at the end of the day,

I stayed the longest, so I was with the shit. People would say, oh, you stayed the longest so you was with the shit with him. No, that's just what my loyalty was. That's who I came into it with. You know.

So, whatever he on our own, everybody knew that. It's not a secret. You know what I'm saying? Whatever, whatever G.Z on, Clem on. You know what I'm saying?

The whole world knew me or whoever knew me as Gizi's little brother because that's how he presented me. And that's the pedestal that he put me on. Before you can even talk to him, you had to talk to me. Right. That's just what it was. But in retrospect, did you turn the other cheek on a lot of shit that you should have probably, like, been more judgmental about

the way you look at it now? Um, no, not really because I always looked there like that shit ain't got nothing do with me. You know what I'm saying? Like what he did? What the shit that he's doing fucked up, but shit, what I'm gonna say? I ain't got no business.

I ain't got no business. Shit, I'm just, I'm here for him. And that's what it was supposed to be. But, you know, he switched up, so. What was your relationship with Blood Raw, like?

Blood Raw? That was, that was day one. That's family. Right. Staying and Thug Mansion with us. Yeah, day one. Right. And he's kind of has like a similar story to you where he was very, very close to him early on and then they ended up kind of... Yeah, everybody was close.

You got to understand. At the, at the, at the, where Jesus is at his career, you can't name one, you can't name one rapper that was at where he was at that was living with his whole crew. Like, we woke up together, we went to sleep together, we eat sleep shit together. This was every day. Like, so it was different. Nobody, he, you know, that's how, and that's how the bind got so tight with everybody called we, we,

we thugged it together from the beginning. So. It's kind of interesting because I feel like a lot of rappers prefer to keep like a bigger degree of, like they have their homies from when they're coming up, but they don't necessarily like, I don't know, they only will let like a certain group of people really get close to them.

And rappers now, it's kind of more like they rely on security from very early on to protect them more often than not right see when we first started our security we didn't have no security you had no real security no matter what man our security was man ex-felons niggas out of prison like it was homies like it was we had homies like security was the homies o g homies too we had some o g homies like that was that get it in on your ass you know what I'm saying they were security too

so but then shit start changing we won't be one do other shit so yeah because that shit only is going to work for so long when you have like your homies doing security I've kind of seen that where at a certain point a lot of your homies

are going to end up being pretty fucking unprofessional more often than not but B you know as time goes by a lot of those dudes get kind of sick of just hanging out and they end up wanting. No, but a lot of the homies was, a lot of the homies was professional. Like, everybody was, it wasn't nobody out there doing no shit that wasn't supposed to be done.

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't no shit. Like, oh, why y'all do that? Everything that happened was supposed to happen. You know what I'm saying? Everybody did what they were supposed to do and held it down like supposed to held it down, but he didn't. There's plenty of altercation when niggas get locked up. He probably didn't get them out. niggas had to do other shit to get out so it was a lot of

it was a lot of shit that went on a lot of shit back-dooring deals on niggas like my boy carving my boy carmin brought him my puma deal he didn't want to do the puma deal he went to go do some some bullshit

other shoes called I forget the name of the motherfuckers um damn I can't think of the names but Anyway, Carbin brought him the goddamn avion deal. He told Carbin he didn't want to do it. Then went behind Carlin back and signed the deal. Really?

Yeah. So Carbin 1-5, that was like his manager early on? It wasn't his manager. It was, Carbin was like the A&R. Okay. Yeah. And he would just be bringing deals to the table as well. Yeah, because Carbin was, you know, he know how to communicate.

You know what I'm saying? He knows how to talk. So he would meet people. You know what I'm saying? Certain shit. You know, you bring it to him. And he didn't want to do this shit, but then go behind your back and do it. Right.

Without you. Yeah. I think he's supposed to do an interview at some point. Like, from your perspective, how did they kind of fall out in that relationship end? Basically all the, all the, your word not being buying, you're just, you're just breaking the code. You're just breaking the code. A motherfucker only going to stay around for so long when you keep just doing a nigger wrong. You know what I'm saying?

Like you keep playing on a nigga So Shit got to change And when you start moving wrong Got to move around Right That's all that was And you know

Carmen's a real one Carman 15 is a real one But yeah I mean that shit Is kind of crazy Because it's like So many rappers I know you've seen this a million times

Like Once you start Really being that superstar And having that level of success The people around you Just kind of let you treat them however you want to treat them and they don't stand up for themselves in the same way that you would normally expect grown people to stand up for themselves and that's why he

started switching his and that's why he started switching up on people because the day ones and the people that was there from the beginning you couldn't just you couldn't just do them any type of way you know what I'm saying you're talking about you can't just tell about some real game members like you You can't, they ain't going from disrespect from you, just called you think you got some money. That ain't going like that. And that's just how it was.

But Gizi never disrespecting nobody. He's like, he never disrespecting nobody. He just started moving different, cutting niggas off and just doing funny shit. And like I said, I was there for all of it. So I've seen it. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. So you never thought about rapping during all this time being around him doing his rap?

I didn't want to do. I was there. for the I wanted to do something in the business I wanted that's what I was there for I wanted I want to try to make a beat I want to try to write a song I want to try to I was there basically with him right because that was the that was the plan right stick with me through the good bad and the ugly little bro we good and did you always think that he was going to end up giving you like a bigger or better opportunity and then it just kind of never came

I mean, it was plenty of times that he could have gave me bigger opportunities and made me role manager and made me, you know, something, but he didn't. He always was bringing somebody. Like, he was a type of nigger that brings somebody else in to do your job, but then you would have to end up doing your job anyway because these folks don't know what to do. You know what I'm saying?

Like, he was always trying to bring in a personal assistant. to do some or something like that, but you bringing somebody in that that don't know what to do, and you are madly calling on me to come and do it because I know what to do. Right. With no hesitation, what you need, boom, boom, doing.

Let's move. Definitely. Okay, so one of the craziest beefs that sort of underlines that whole time period was the Rick Ross thing. Like, from your perspective, when did that officially become a real concern? It was never a concern.

Not in my eyes. Not to, I mean, not in my eyes, because I didn't feel Rick Ross near was no threat. Like, they wasn't no threat. Like, the way we moved, man, then nobody won't fuck with us. Right. If you, if you, Rick Ross really got a pass

because Gizi really had security with him when they ran into each other. if we'd been anybody else around there that shit probably went so the other way we just wouldn't be in no fake jewelry being snatched it would have been the muffled was probably going to the hospital

right you know when that was happening inside there you know they was outside getting on they was getting on gunplay at the same time that shit was happening in there right but just to go from the beginning did this all really crack off just because Rick Ross wrapped I think it was egos but it was the BMF beat

that kind of really sparked shit right Um It could be that I think it was You know what I give it that I give it that Okay Because at the time he did that

Yeah I give me that Because at the time he did that Jesus and Meeches at odds So Yeah so he came with that So you think Rigoros was kind of trolling And trying to provoke the situation though

Because he is a sort of master Of this sort of shit You know you look at people like Rick Ross and 50 and they're just very good at like pulling the strings publicly to sort orchestrate whatever they want to take place with a who likes each other

and a dozen and whatnot. To me the G's and the G's and Rick Rothbe was really some monkey shit to me like that really didn't even you know that shit was just like some music shit you know that shit really wasn't those you know street shit

but even though we got on niggas asses though you know I think that I think I think torch I think torch touched the ground five times in New York what do you mean

when we ran to them Torch yeah it used to be signed the NNG oh okay you know that was back at the end when they was all signed to them gunplay

torch when they were doing that Meek Mill and they weren't even signed to them yet right it was before that era before that era yeah that is kind of wild think there was that whole era

Rick Ross had me listening in Olau and Mick Mill and shit and I thought that shit was so hard We was Rick Ross fans. Like that shit was, that's why I said that music shit crazy because we listen to all that shit, man. Ryan all day listening to Ross. Right. Shit was hard.

Still to this day. I mean, I still listen to Ross now, yeah. Right. But like, you know, even like the craziest beef of like modern times the last couple years in terms of rappers is like the NBA young boy, little dark King Vaughn thing. And there's mad footage of King Vaugh and Lil Dark fucking with young boy and listening to a. Juano Rondo and stuff, even though it ended up being the Juano Rondo's homies, the one who killed King Vonn and shit. And it's just weird with Instagram stories and shit to be able to go look at shit and be like, whoa, they were like real fans of this shit, like six months before people started getting killed over the problems.

Right, right, right. Yeah. I really, I listen. I only listen to Dirk. Really? I only listen to Dirk. That's the only one I listened to from Chicago, him and Vine. Anybody else?

Like, who do you listen to in terms of the younger? artists these days. Is hip-hop feel kind of dry to you at this point? It's hard not to have that feeling as you get older. I really be listening to, I listen to a few people from my city. You know what I'm saying? I listen to a lot of people from,

I like a lot of Cali music. Savvy third. Oh, wow, man. I love Savvy third shit. Shout to Savy. You know, I always gonna love my boy, 2-11 shit. Mm-hmm. And shit, I fuck with a lot of Cali. Shout out Mazi.

I fuck with Mazzie. I fuck with Lavish D, too. Okay. I fuck with the sack. You find yourself watching the documentaries about them too and shit? Yeah, I'd be all on YouTube watching that shit. It should be funny. That should be real funny.

That should be real funny. Right. Yeah, that shit been quiet for a few years now, though. It's like the younger generation hasn't been making as much noise up in that NorCal scene and shit. Right, right. Yeah, I like, I fuck with that Cali music. Right. Okay, but so just to put it in perspective, though, because it's like, we don't really have,

that many like hip hop award shows where like it just seems like people are probably kind of scared to put that many people in the same room like that hip hop is changed you can't put a bunch of you can't put a bunch of fools in one room that have been talking about killing each other

and stepping on graves and you can't appetite for destruction right but did it occur to you guys before that BET Awards like oh this is going to be a fucking Tinder box where this could turn into anything

and we need to be super, super on point? Like, was that the vibe? No, no, that shit, no. That was always the vibe wherever we moved. We was always on point. Always, that was just the part of moving. So that's, that's, but now the BETT Awards, no, it wasn't, that shit was unexpected.

That shit shouldn't happen. I'm just gonna put it like that. That shit shouldn't happen. It was really some monkey shit, and that's why I'm glad I didn't escalate to what it really could escalate it to. Right. But you said that it only happened

because GZ tried to just go to the bathroom on some regular shit and just ended up running into everybody? Yeah, he went to the bathroom because, you know, he was sitting up front. We was all in the back. The crew was in the back, so I guess he wanted to go to the bathroom,

but most of the security was over to the side anyway. Uh-huh. So they ended up going to the back, going to the bathroom, and they said they ran into the nigger. And then we got word, and we were like, what? But then at the day, it wasn't nothing.

So it actually ended after that? Yeah, that Rick Ross beef ended before it started. Right. That shit was over with. How did it? It was, we probably was at Rick Rock House for a party months later, I think. Really? Yeah.

So the actual fight takes place and then... It wasn't even no fight. It was just, I think some words would say it. Rick Ross got too close. and security pushed him back and end up grabbing his chains off. Oh, okay. And that was it.

It was over. Yeah, because that dread dude, I seen the clip of him talking about taking the chains off his neck. Yeah, dread. But it was crazy because the way he's describing it is like it sounded like him taking the chains off his neck was like very unnecessary in that moment.

Like he should have been just stopping the fight or trying to pull somebody off. But instead he just like relieved him of his jewelry. Like when he's telling the story, it just sounds like a wild thing to do that moment. I think Dreed was thinking about some money. Yeah.

What can I get for this jewelry? Oh, really? That's the kind of bodyguard you need, I guess. Yeah. But, you know, I think it was just some spur of the moment type shit. And it was policing everything right there. So if you watched the footage, you would see the police and shit right there. So it was just, it really was just some, let me get this nigga away from my client type

shit. Uh-huh. But since you want to play, I'm going to take your chance. Right. I'm gonna get some kind. I'm gonna, we gonna say we did something. But what happened to the chains? Oh, they was all fake, I think.

Oh, really? Yeah. Man, I think he told that story. Rick Ross. No, Dred told that story. He said one of the chain was real. He said he went in Pindy, went about an AK. Right.

So the fake chains were still worth something? No, one chain went fake. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's wild. Like, do you think that was normal at that time? Was GZ ever wearing fake jewelry to the event? and stuff? Yeah.

I mean, I can... Not two events, no. No, he wasn't wearing no fake Jew or two events. Definitely was going to see Fazy. That's a jeweler in Atlanta, but... Okay. No, geez he wasn't wearing no fake.

He probably wore some fake shit later on in the career. I do remember having some old fake Vasachi chain type shit. Some gold shit that was just too big and all that. It was fake, I think. It wasn't real. It's just weird because,

Because now we live in the era where there's pages like fake watch buster and fake jewelry buster and all this kind of shit. And like I've seen it like where people just like really think that they're out here like looking good for many, many years online. And then one of these pages just posts up like, hey, your whole fucking watch collection is fake. And it's like for somebody like Rick Ross, that feels like it would be such a, such a risk to his identity as this rich rapper motherfucker that it's like kind of hard for me to imagine a rapper actually doing the. fake chain thing in this day and age. Right. Even though obviously like... But they do. Costume jewelry. They do? Yeah, for shows and shit.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody do that shit. Don't die. Those real diamonds cost a lot. Yeah. You know, they'd be wearing all these chains. That shit costs a lot. But that shit really don't cost a lot because that shit ain't real for real. Really? Not in my eyes. I got to fucking find out more about that because that just seems like a crazy liability to like be seen out in public with your fucking,

with a bunch of fake shit on. But you know, we came up in the week. came up in the area before social media. So you could get away with a lot more. Now you get away with a lot more. You was, it wasn't even though it was real shit back then. Like when we first started,

wasn't no 2000, what, three, four, five, wasn't no Facebook. Like, niggas was, they was really wearing the Rolexes and the Jacobs and all that shit was real.

I remember going to New York with them going into Jacobs Stowe and they're going in back rooms and secret. doors and shit. Like, but now, I don't believe all these niggie jewelry is real. Everybody. I feel like with the internet, it's going to be so much harder to pass off the fake

jewelry. I've seen a lot of people pushing the shit of, like, rappers borrowing stuff from jewelers to, like, wear a couple times, and then they just give it back. I might not take it back, and the jeweler got to assume. Yeah, well, that's when you find out about these deals. Yeah, when you find out about it. Yeah, definitely. Um, there was like a crazy video of GZ, like, walking through Miami super fucking deep after that situation with Rick Ross.

Was that before or after the BETT Awards fight? Um, walking in Miami. Yeah, it was some video of him walking like super deep in public. Um, I think that was, um, I think that was an award show they had in Miami that year. Oh, okay. It was something that way we was, matter of fact, it was Memorial Weekend. That's Memorial Weekend. Okay.

Yeah. but do you remember like what conversation had to take place between jiz and rick ross to actually get them to the point of being cool after that shit whatever conversation took place i'm sure deaf jam set it up you know what i think they both signed the deaf jam but like i said that rick ross beef really wasn't nothing it was just some ego shit and that shit got squashed so quick it really wasn't nothing back to friends okay but the dj drama thing was a bit more serious yeah the jd drama thing was a bit more serious yeah so what's your record collection of how that actually got set off.

The DJ drama shit really started because he started, he started fucking with Cucci Man. Right. So that's how that shit started. And you know, that's a no-no. You know, you're doing a mixtape with him and he's dissing on the mixtape. Get on your ass too. So it was words being said back and forth.

And somebody had, some shit had happened where somebody had got touched. So it escalated. Who got touched? I can't really remember. It was at an old award show, the Source Awards. I think they snuck one of the promo team or somebody that was just working for us. We'll really know nobody that was around that was part of the crew. It is kind of crazy because it's like DJ Drama being from Philly, like a lot of people, once he really got crack and people thought that he was from Atlanta.

Yeah. And was GZZ was like the first Atlanta artist that he was like working with. super tough? No, I think before us, I think he already had a, then he already had like a TI gangster grills. Oh yeah, good point. That was going crazy at the time. Yeah, so he was already had gangster grills going on.

It's just that when we came, that music is undeniable. It was undeniable. And we took that shit crazy. Right. Definitely. Do you think it was just an issue of like communication where if DJ Drama and GZ had stayed more on the same page? throughout all that shit

that it would have been smoother but they just kind of lost communication or you think Gija Drama was acting a little big-headed for not really wanting to fuck with Gizi because he's starting to feel like Gizi is kind of cooling off music or in terms of how hot he was at the time.

Yeah, but you know, drama was saying shit on the mixtapes too. You know, he was saying little words talking his little shit. So it all played a role, you know what I'm saying? So it was looking like, ah, so you ally with him. Okay, we're on your ass too.

that's all it was right and then once somebody got touched it was it was up from there right that's crazy because that just feels like the early days of rappers really not being able to fuck with each other and like having to make these kind of decisions like I don't remember thinking about that a lot when I was younger listening in a rap but then I remember that situation and thinking like oh this is just like an obvious one where DJ drama like basically just completely had to pick sides and it would have been being the way that he was moving at the time it would have been kind of a big decision for him to not fuck with the artist who was really popping off because of a relationship that he already had like I go through this as an interview all the time where it's like you kind of have

to choose who you want to fuck with at a certain point because you know if you fuck with one person that their enemies are not going to fuck with you if they're all kind of like on the same level you know right right and that's what happened with the like the shit you're seeing now with the with the boy and T.I. ending their beef. Gucci and T.I. just squashed their beef on stage this weekend or something. Never had no beef. Beef is when motherfuckers get touched. Right. Beef is when, what big he say, when I see you, it's going to be I see you. Right. That's what beef is. They just have, they just have problems because T.I. chose the side back then.

Mm-hmm. And he chose Jeezyside. So that's what it was. so that's why you know he was throwing shots at TI but they never had no real run-ins and beefs and like no none of their crew their crew never collided or nothing right so it really wasn't no beef it was just

that shit that is kind of wild because it's like there Gucci came out of jail or prison and like seemed like he wanted to like get on good terms with a lot of people that he kind of dissed in that whole 2014 era before he got locked up but then there's a few of those beefs that

never got a dress like the waka shit just seems like they're never going to get on good terms right the yo gadi thing we still i don't believe that we've seen them uh patch shit up right right but that's some of the folks you can't pat shit up with that's how it should be you know what i'm saying like when you said when the fuck boy came home he was all on the internet talking about he don't want to make up with gz he don't for what what's they going to do for me He was dissing in. And you still want to shake this man in hand and do a verses with him. Right.

He'd been dissing from the beginning to the end. He's still dissing. Even now, he's still saying shit? I don't know if he's saying nothing now, but it's some recent shit after the verses. I bet you that. Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to squash a beef, and it's another thing to squash a beef in such a way that you make it incredibly obvious that you want to be perceived as the victor in this beef, you know?

And it's like, like, Jay-Z always ends up squashing beef with all the different people that he has problems with from earlier in his career. But he also always kind of does it in a way where it's clear that he's making it apparent that he's the one who has the most power in this situation. Right, right. And that's kind of a different thing.

You know, it's like you still want to hold on to that feeling. Yeah, and that's why, that's why, him and, um, if you, if you've been paying, attention, you don't see Jeezy with Hove no more. You used to see G-Z and Hove together all the time. Right. Man, Hove used to come out on every show we had. If we had a big show, he would

come out and fuck with us. He was, you know, he wanted to, you know, G-Z, C-T-E and G-Zeezy was supposed to be like CMG right now. If we would have had the right motherfucking imposition, that's where he was supposed to be because G-Z, he was

how J-Z-Fuck with Gotti. Right. That's how he was with Gizi. But why do you think the Jay-Z relationship kind of

fell apart? Because G.Z left, he left Rock Nation. Oh, right, yeah. He left Rock Nation after the Whiz Carl Leaf Tour.

Right. Yep. Why did he leave Rock Nation? He just wasn't feeling it? Man, he was mad because he didn't goddamn, he wasn't a headliner.

He was mad. He was coming on before Whiz. But this is Whiz Tour. Right. Whiz is a touring artist. We're trying to get you in a position

to be a tour an artist, just play your role. And a lot of times I don't think you want to be the headliner. It's not as good as it looks because it's hard to be the headliner. You know, a lot of times if you're the OG, you might want to let the young, hot, new artist headline because that actually you might have more people in the seats to see you perform than if you go last. A lot of times, even if you're the bigger artist, a lot of the people might end up leaving

after the young, hot new artist, which Wiz seems like he was at the time. Right. People are going to know, and, like, people are going to show up. Even if you, if you are a high artist, it don't matter when you go on. Those people are going to be there early just so they won't miss you. Right. If they find out you going on before this person, they're going to. So it really wasn't the problem.

It was just he wanted to be the big dog of the show, and you couldn't, he didn't want to share the light. But that shit went left anyway because the motherfucker, ends up getting locked up and going to jail and shit. Who did? And California. Jesus, you got locked up, and that's a situation? graduation or yeah that was the um whiz tour oh okay what do you actually get locked up for that time um it was some bullshit went down where a promoter got killed oh you i remember this story yeah yeah and and were you guys ever actually like charged with that or anything or it was just like an

investigation no that was that shit got no we weren't never a part of that that that shit was um it was like a robbery that happened it was a robbery that happened yeah it was a robbery happened yeah it was a shooting that happened in front of the bus we didn't even know none of the niggas we just knew the promoter because he was coming to pay us for a show but then that shit happened so man when I look at how I make a living versus what it takes to be a rapper especially during that era where you had to be on the road all the time and constantly putting yourself into positions where people want to do things to you want to take the money from you where you even have to like intercept money and get paid and shit it just seems like a fucking nightmare at times

like even just having to move around with crazy amounts of your homies and security and whatever to protect you. But did you like being in that environment, being on tour and shit consistently, or was that, it was it kind of stressful? Oh, no, that shit wasn't stressful. You gotta understand. That shit was, that shit was a one in a lifetime opportunity.

Like, I would never, like, I would never change history. Like, I would go back and do everything exactly how I did it again. Like knowing the outcome, I would still do it. Right. Because at end of the day, like, it was the best times of a lot of our lives. You had young black men coming from the ghetto coming from nothing.

Living in million-dollar houses, driving a million-dollar cars, everything at your fingertips that you want at any time. So for me and all the homies, that shit was some of the best times of our life. We still talk about it. That's why I'm on here with you because telling my story. That's all. Right. You know, I'm telling our story because it's more than just me.

It was a, it's a whole family of us. Right. And a lot of people, like, given the fact that he didn't really put on them, any artists, a lot of people kind of lose sight of that fact that, like, CTE was something bigger than just one person. Kind of like the way that, like, you could take any random Crip or blood set out of L.A. and then let's say the leader or the president or the person

who's kind of the highest up he ends up doing some fuck shit or he ends up dying or he's just not around anymore that doesn't change the fact that all the dudes who are under him still have this thing that they're a part of and stuff so it's like it must be I see the way that you talk about

in interviews and stuff where it's like CTE means a lot to you regardless of the fact that you don't fuck with the person who was the head of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, he was the head of it, him and KinkyB. You know what I'm saying? But to be honest, we kicked him out.

We kicked G-ZZ out of CTE. Really? Because everybody I know still corporate thugging. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, that's just for life. Like, it's like, no matter what goes on, this shit is for life. You can't erase history. It was always corporate thugging or did I have another meaning before that?

No, it was corporate thugging entertainment. Right. You know, but if you take it to the, it could mean something else if you take it to some gang member shit. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, the gang member version of it's got to be like cutthroat entertainment or some shit, no?

Crip it to the end. Oh, see, there we go, yeah. But I'm not a game member. Right, right. You're not really your favorite version of it. I got you. Yeah. All right.

Okay, so I guess like you left shit. in, what you say, 2016, 2017? Right. But then you didn't start doing interviews

until what, 2022, 2022, 2023? Let me see. I probably left, let me see. I might have left in 2015.

Okay. Yeah, I might have left in 2015. Because I really was, like, no matter when nobody say,

I've been over that shit, man, you know what I'm saying? That shit was eight, nine, 10 years ago. Uh-huh.

So I got over that shit a long time ago. And the whole reason I bent over that shit, because of my family, you feel me, because of Coach K. You know what I'm saying?

So, I've been over that shit, but seeing him do interviews and just trying to discredit what we did at the beginning, like he had the, he's never been so happy in his life.

He was depressed for eight years and, and all, he lost all his friends. No, you did all your friends wrong. Mm-hmm. that's just all it is right yeah because like I saw something when you said that he's cut countless people out of business deals like were there other examples of that besides just the the one that you mentioned there his main home boy kinky b you know what i'm saying

shouts out the kinky b got a new label too called hush entertainment okay for show is he doing interviews has he been out on the scene doing that kind of shit or is he yeah he had a few interviews with Beehy and all them, yep. Oh, really? Okay. Yep. Yeah, the tough end of that. Yeah, for sure.

Hush Entertainment and look for where he got some shit coming. But yeah, it's just like King, like you go on the internet and see the court case when he had the lawyer get up and say King had nothing to do with CTE. Mm-hmm. He didn't, he didn't do nothing. He didn't spend one penny. He didn't do this. He didn't do that. He was living in Middle Georgia while I was up in Atlanta building the brand.

That's all a lie. Really? That's all a lie. I've been here from the beginning. I rolled with Kink before to his house, a million-dollar house to go get money out of safe so they can pay bills and take care of rap shit in studio time. That's a fact.

So, you know, so once you see shit, like once I start seeing shit like that and him discreeting everything, I had to speak up for us. I had to. Right. Because everybody was loyal. Everybody had the best interest in hand,

but he didn't. that's just facts the truth I mean hate truth can't be hate right that's just all the truth can not be hate who's the first person that proposed the idea of you doing an interview or telling your story like what

what made you actually decide to come out and kind of start being more vocal because you waited like seven years or whatever after you left I think I was I think I was on a phone with carbon 1 5 man and I was like man

I am tired of this nigger he did his verses like he just smacking us all in the face he's like fuck us he'd rather go so you're rather going to make up with Gucci Man but you ain't gonna come make up with people you call your brother people that you came from the bottom

with for real as far as him and Kinky be you're gonna make up with Gucci Man like that shit just is weird old shit it just seemed fake is it so obvious it was for business shit yeah he was trying to you know he and no he always gonna

be young jeezing. We know that's a fact. But he's trying to chase that light again. So he's trying to do anything to get in the light. You know what I'm saying? That's all it is. And did he he completely stop saying CTE at a certain point? Yeah, he don't say CET no more. He don't say CT no more. So you keep track of it? Like you would, you would notice if he was still saying it? Yeah, I would notice. Yeah, I keep track of shit. I watch all his bullshit just so I can know what going on because I know he's going to have some bullshit to say. If you were a rapper, it would be such a layup to do a diss song where you said something about like CTE, but you made it like CTE like head trauma.

Like there's something there that I can't necessarily put together, but a real rapper would be able to. Right, right, right, right. That's got to be kind of weird to be banging something for 20 years and then all of a sudden it's just like another, like people when they say CTE now, I think about football players and shit. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, you're right.

I had a few concussions. I always wonder if it fucked me up long term. But you know, that's why I'm here now, Adam. Yeah. To put the CTE back in the light. So people won't forget. Right. Could you see yourself having an additional,

like a role in the music business going forward? Like working with artists again and shit? No, no, no, no. Right. I'm doing the YouTube thing now. I'm about start doing reactions on my page. You know, I got my, my page got monetized. in like 25 days.

Really? When I first started, my shit went crazy. Like, I'm already at like a million views. Right. It was just with my, I just hit 7,000 followers, so. Probably a lot of the things that you did early in Jesus' career are not things that you would necessarily be dying to do with your time now as a grown-ass man, right? No, I'm really done with music.

Like, that shit's, no. No, no. I've been there, done that on to the next. What's it like looking at Coach K and seeing them selling their company for $400 million and some shit like that that nobody would have thought was possible back when they started doing that shit?

I'm proud of it. Congratulations. You know, it's my family. It's my first cousin. I'm happy. You know what I'm saying? Like everything, like he defeated the odds. You know what I'm saying?

because even when him and Gizi fell out like you know he kept pushing he kept going he knew what he had he knew he had a talent he knew he could push it together and make shit happen he kept going did it and look at him now he rich in he's easy yeah no that's been fucking crazy to see you now you got somebody like scooter Braun who's like this music industry fucking legend and he's the guy who's ultimately making the decision for QC like i'm not sure exactly how that ends up working in the long run like Like what him in? Like what did Coach K and P? Like what does their role become in the long term? I'm not 100% sure. It's going to be very interesting to see what QC looks like a few years from now. Right, right.

No, Scooter and coach being friends for a long time. Oh, really? Long time. Back in the cheesy days. Yeah, I remember Scooter. Right. Interesting. It's also interesting.

We're not talking about young scooter. We're talking about a different scooter. Who you're talking about? No, I'm sorry, Scooter Braun, but like it sounds like we're talking about scooter. Oh, okay. We are talking about Scooter from Justin B. there's two scooters now. Sorry.

So I remember at one point, he had this 8-732 clothing line, right? And it was like really big at one point. I guess it was doing extremely well. And it was like outselling Sean John and Rockaware. Yeah, we was like, we, when we, when he dropped 8732, right. We, we, we was, um,

what's the word I'm looking for? We was number one urban clothing line. the world for like three to four years straight. Right. I'm talking about we was at the magic show all the time, um, premiering new, new shit and the shit was selling out.

Like, shit was selling out. It was that 8732, that USDA, that shit was, that shit was it. But he fucked that up. Why did he fuck that up?

Like, it should be pretty easy to just keep it going on. I really think he fucked it up because he went and took the, he went and did the deal by itself, I guess. Like, Because when it first came out, it came out that at the end when everything fucked up, it came out that he didn't have the right percentage in the company. So he, by this clothing line going number one urban colonel line in the world, he's not really seeing any money.

And I guess the deal that he signed, he just wanted to get out of the deal. That's why that shit started going down and down and down because it came to a point when he was like, fuck that shit. They were, they were literally seeing books of new clothes to go look at and shit. He wouldn't even look at that shit. Right. He'd be like. Because he owned like a couple percentage points of it or something shit. Yeah, it wasn't shit.

Whatever he, whatever him, his lawyer made the deal with the shit, that he really didn't, went getting nothing off of it. That's why that shit went. He gave it up. Wow, that's crazy. No one else is crazy. I just realized it. I have the snowman right behind your head on the wall.

Yeah. seen earlier on dinner. Well, there's a, okay, L.A. Mexican rapper named O.G.G.Z. He's part of a group called Shreline Mafia. So his name is O.G.Z. And then at one point, he ended up doing a skateboard as Gizi, the snowman, and he got that

curly-ass head of hair. So don't have the tense of the, the, the, don't have the CTE legal department contact us. That was produced many years ago. No, no, no. ain't no CT legal department. No. I think the government owned that shit or something.

So, okay. Yeah, like, has there been any kind of contact or any sort of communication since you started being more public? Did you have anybody who's like a mutual friend sort of reach out and say like, Jeezey feels this way about you putting all this shit

from the past on blast? Man, for one, it's been nobody better not calling me talking about something that Jeezey said. I'm going to get in business and they're going to go back and tell you. Really? Man, I don't, I don't fuck with nobody that fuck with him.

Anybody that fuck with him ain't got my number. They peons anyway. So it's like that? Like, all the friendship has been kind of divided in this league. Ain't no friends. He ain't got no friends. He said that shit on the interview. I lost over 400 friends. Yeah, you did, nigga.

You're right. Not fucking with you. Right. But you don't think he takes any kind of accountability for that? He looks at them as like their snakes. No, he looked at it. I've been with that man for years. He ain't caring about that shit. You know what I'm saying?

He's for self. I've seen it for years. You know what I'm saying? I was just blind by love and loyalty. Right. But I woke up. I started reading the same books he was read. You know, they fuck when you when you're stupid.

But I wasn't stupid, but like I said, the love and loyalty had me stupid. right like that's all i knew you know that's all i wanted to do since i was a kid watching watching n tv raps and all that shit rap city seeing crews together watching watching watching master p and the whole no limit watching fucking cash money watching motherfucking wu-tain clanging them watching whoever like you i always wanted to be a part of that shit and i was i got there so i don't regret nothing But didn't end up being as dope as you thought it would have been or what it should have been? No, it was everything it should have been.

It was everything it was. It was everything it was. Like I said, it ain't, it ain't no hate because he called me his little brother, right? I lived with him for years. So how he ate, I ate. How he dressed, I dressed. How he drove, I drove. I was there.

So it's not no hate. so what advice would you give to somebody who is like right now in a similar position where maybe they have a friend who's blowing up as a rapper and they're sort of like on their team or moving around with them and shit like that because I do feel like as much as your situation seems unique this is something that I see basically happening to people all the time where like a rapper will be popping off and they have friends or they have people that they're close with early on and then I kind of view it from the perspective of that person of like how exactly like because it's the kind of thing where a lot of times if you ask

for a very good specific role or a job or a title or whatever that that might be the thing that that kind of makes the the rapper in question stop fucking with you so a lot of times people who are in this position end up just kind of hanging out for a period of time before they get sick of it or whatever like what kind of advice would you give to somebody who's in a similar position to what you were in. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, no fake shit, don't do no snake shit, don't be on no jealousy shit, you know, because I wasn't never on none of that shit.

I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't looking for another position. I never asked that man for nothing, you know what I'm saying? I never, I was, I was, I was there for, and that was for him. And that's period dot. I did everything. So, and I stayed solid. he can't he can't say nothing bad about me

he tried to in that song and you know just stay solid because they're gonna try to make you look like the bad guy at the end of the day you know what I'm saying because they got the platform people look up to them

so at the end of the day you're gonna be the bad guy anyway but who gives a fuck as long as you know you stay solid in this situation and you didn't do no flaw shit fuck what they think because that's how I am

fuck what they think that's why motherfuckers don't like me now It's funny because I remember listens to academics talk about his worst ever interview. And I didn't actually listen to it, but he said his worst interview was Gizi. That he interviewed him. And I don't know exactly if he tried to get him to talk about the Gucci shit or if he just tried to get to talk about his whole career and his past and stuff. And he just basically ended up saying it was the worst fucking interview ever tried to do

because he wasn't trying to have that conversation. He going to play it to the left. He does a lot of damage control. like he's he's not he he he don't want to talk about it because it gets too real because he everything he's going to say about is a lie right like he's not going to tell the truth he's not he's not and that's why I'm here telling the truth because he's not and I watched him sit there and not tell the truth so much he even said on the interview one time I um yeah I live with all my home boys we used to wake up they mad I wake up I'm mad

everybody mad and woo-woo-woo-woman that was a lie everybody that woke up in the morning was happy you're talking about niggins that came from nothing you know what I'm saying doing me in their shit everybody was happy it was the best time of everybody life and everybody I still talked to still say the same shit man that shit was the best time like boy you remember we was in Ohio man we was in Baltimore man we was in Texas boy you remember we went to a motherfucker alaska you remember we got down like it's memories right and he just lies and I don't know man

sometimes I want to get on his ass if I ever catch him well hopefully that doesn't happen no I ain't gonna get on his ass take your powers and put it into positive shit I wish him the best I don't want to hurt him I don't want to see him dead

I don't want to see him broke I don't want to see him fucked up like at the end of the day I still got like it's still it's still there because we went through a lot but the cold is broke so I can't live by the cold no more It's a crazy feeling when you realize that somebody in your life,

who you were friends with, fucked up bad enough that you're going to hate them forever. Yeah. Like, that's just a weird feeling because then you're kind of like, oh, like, I'm going to carry that around with me for the rest of my life. But at the same time. I'm a Pisces. I'm a Pisces.

Like, if we fuck with you, we fuck with you. We want you cross us. Oh, it's over. I don't want nothing to do with you. I'm not talking about nothing to do with you. if you want a problem let's go well then that fuck you it's just something shit you can't come back from

man it's just something that you shouldn't be able to come back from right like it's just how it is like the man left a lot of folks were dead man didn't give a fuck about nobody else family nobody else nothing if nothing else it's like a really fascinating case study into like

a certain type of personality type matched with a certain type of success because we're kind of it like used to hearing the stories about artists who you know become very successful and they take their team and they put their team on etc like my impression of jizi from having listened to all these interviews about him is that he's just not a people person he's like he's a he's a solo type of guy he really has no personality you know what I'm saying like when he put that statement out about the divorce shit get me and my family you won't for one it's not your family no more you

getting a divorce. Oh, man. For two, your public's just wrote that. Nick, I know you. You cannot put that shit together like that. No way. I'm careful how many books you write,

how many books you read. You ain't putting shit together like that. You can put some songs together, though. You can write some songs. Right. But some, no, that was all publices. Give me and my family the time.

It's not your family. It's over with. And then divorce. As you get divorced, that means. Well, they have a kid, right? Family broke up. You baby daddy now. But you still have a family.

Yeah, your family. Shit. She's moving on, man. Yeah. I don't know. I would love to hear like a full breakdown of how that actually went down. Do you think that he was meant to be

with this fancy Asian woman? Fancy Asian woman? Yeah, just kind of interesting. I never saw Young Geezy. It's not his type. If I know him like I know him. Right. Hell no.

That's not, I wouldn't have been. Man, when that, let me tell you something. man, me and my home boys, when he got married, man, we all was like, how many years you give it? I give it one. I give it about two. Not even on some hating shit, just like. No, I don't hate no shit.

Like, for real, like, we know you. Like, we know you. You married her because you thought you'd go get into some different doors. You thought you was going to get, you know. But now, no. So, you know, he went behind her back. They say he went behind her back, man. Yeah?

They say he went behind her back. They say he fouled back in June. It's just now coming out. Oh, I'm still holding on to my hopes that this involves Mario Lopez. It seems kind of unlikely, but it would be a great story. It would be a great story. It would. He might kill himself.

But that'd be a big W for the Mexicans. Man, it'd be a big L for the niggas. Yeah, I guess so. Might be a little true to that. All right, Clem, I appreciate you so much. What should people tap in with if they want to see whatever you got going on? Come to my YouTube page, Clemenza, aka Clem. Make sure you like, comment, subscribe.

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