No Jumper - Dame Dash Explains Recent Arrest, Colin Kaepernick, Impeachment & More

Episode Date: December 6, 2019

Dame Dash and Adam Show Episode #2 In this episode, Adam brought "back up" in the form of his two cohosts from The No Jumper Show, Kim and Lil House Phone, to talk with Dame Dash about what happened i...n New York, Trump, Bloomberg, and how the school system is not the best. ----- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's the Damon Adams show. I got fancy new pants. How you feeling, man? You bail all over the news. Yeah. Every time we do this, there's always something. Yeah. One of these days, we're going to do this where we have nothing to talk about and we're just going to pre-staff. It's never going to happen. I'm always doing something. It's always something going on.
Starting point is 00:00:25 I'm about that action, bro. I got a plan. And it comes with, you might have smoke, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to have smoke in your face, okay? Yeah. All right. And that comes with it. You know, I'm trying to make history and I'm trying to conquer. and you can't win wars without fights. So I have today with me. I brought my co-host from the No Jumper Show, Little House Phone and Camero.
Starting point is 00:00:45 So I was, pardon me. I wasn't on the No Jumper Show because when I was on a No Jumper Show, called The No Jumper Show number, like this week was 19. We were doing it for 19 weeks in a row. So it's basically just us shooting the shit talking about all different news, whatever.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Cool. Promoting it here on this stream. Yeah, but I figured out would bring them through just because I feel like you know you sometimes seem curious about exactly what fucking sewer I climbed out of so I figured at least if I brought a couple of my uh we're representative of your friends but you usually bring you usually have a crew with you like you always came with like four or five people that I'm not on camera oh it's all suck like they can't be on camera like yeah you put Laura on camera she's just like whine on the fuck out
Starting point is 00:01:31 she was freestyling earlier she was kicking some fire rhymes honestly on We had to test out this mic with like a beat plan. So she was just like saying whatever on the mic. She was kicking some fire rhymes, honestly. I mean, that sounded like rapping from what I heard. Miracle, miracle. It's pretty, this is better than any rap ever heard. Adam tried to freestyle.
Starting point is 00:01:51 He was rapping. Wait, so this is Damon and Adam show. This lives on the No Jumper YouTube page as well as. As well as his streaming service. Well, you know, iTunes. We partnered up and whatever happens there, if you make some money. You buzz it down.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Go make some money. You bust it down. We're part of us. Matter of fact, you got to check because I know your shit is popping. I thought you might have to check with you when you came to. I was going to check on these pants. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:02:15 There'll be more. Just kidding, these pants were free. How many views do I, like, rake in, like, compared to comparatively? I mean, it's kind of all over the place because the first one was about fucking... The JZ shit. He was on some bullshit, so, you know.
Starting point is 00:02:30 And then the second one was... You got into his ass on one of them, and I was like... That was the, the Yay one. That was the... He was on his ass on that one. He fucked up. I was like, you know you fucked up, right? I thought it was cool for people to see.
Starting point is 00:02:41 I thought that was the first episode. A white guy. That was the first episode. I thought it was cool for like a white guy and a black guy. I'd be having a conversation and the black guy is just like relentlessly calling the white guy races. No, that wasn't what happened. Takes it in stride. No.
Starting point is 00:02:53 That's how he would perceive it. But how I perceived it was I got a little insight into a white person telling the black person what other black people want. And I wanted an answer to that. So we had two different questions. He wanted one answer. but I'm a bigger picture guy. I wanted to know about the bigger picture. I felt that.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Yeah. I'm just let that rock. Yeah. It was a good time. I feel like I enjoy the spirit of debate. It's fine by me. Well, you brought back your crew. My problem.
Starting point is 00:03:20 I feel like Adam is a person that, like, sometimes, like, the details is not even what it matters. Like, whatever is the point. He's trying to get across sometimes. Yeah, it didn't matter. At that point, it didn't matter. I wanted my point. This is the king of that. I don't care about that.
Starting point is 00:03:33 You're looking at the king of that. You're right. If he wants to win the argument It's not a win If I have a question No That's not true That's his perception
Starting point is 00:03:42 But in my perception If I have a question That doesn't get answered I'm going to ask you the question Until it gets answered There was just one line in particular It was what black people think And I think that's just
Starting point is 00:03:53 Yeah that's where he That's what you fucked out You fucked up there Don't say that again I'll fuck you up I think what it happens He'll say anything He can to win an argument
Starting point is 00:04:01 Then he jammed himself up there Me Yeah I'll say logic I don't have to, I'm not going to try to win an argument if I'm wrong. See, yeah, sometimes you've got to know when you got yourself in a jam. I don't fight unless I'm only fighting for a winning cause. I'm not fighting just for my ego ever.
Starting point is 00:04:17 It's not to make me feel good, it's to actually learn. And if you can let me learn and I see something different, I'm cool with it. It just doesn't happen very often. All right. All right. Let's look. I don't want to leave these skeletons. We don't got to keep fucking with these skeletons.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Well, you bought your food. That's cool. Yeah. But, okay, do you want to talk about what the craziness that you got involved with in this weekend was? It wasn't craziness. You know, I had some things I needed to deal with, and I knew exactly what I was walking into,
Starting point is 00:04:43 and I dealt with him, and that's that. So you walk in, you pay a very large bill. Well, the thing was I had already paid it, and I was trying to pay it, but Rachel wouldn't sign it because she was trying to get my interest from Rachel Roy at a discounted price. So when she got the money up,
Starting point is 00:04:57 then she signed it. And either way, because there were warrants in two courts, it was always set up that when I went to take care of one warrant, regardless, Because it was like when you have a warrant for it wasn't a criminal warrant When you have a warrant for money They just want to see you after you pay it to just say you don't have one anymore So I went in there to be like, all right and they said, all right, it's gone, it's gone, you paid it.
Starting point is 00:05:18 All right, I'm on my way to the other court, I walk out, there's seven sheriffs around And I'm like, and one from homicide and I'm like, why? Is it like a secret indictment of what's going on? Oh, you want the picture? Cool, get the picture. But I knew that was going to happen. It was always set up that way and it was all done for business. And, you know, this dude Donald Suarez was representing race.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Rachel and Cindy, both my baby mothers, and, you know, they just been playing games. And then another guy, Chris Brown, for another case, he's playing games. But they're all petty games. But they have to be dealt with. Like, either way, it was for $5 or $5 million, I had to show up. If it was for $5 or $5 million, I was getting locked up. It was set up for that. Like, the whole thing was, I was in L.A., and they made, some said I didn't pay child support
Starting point is 00:05:57 because Rachel was the one supposed to be paying the child support. She's the manager of the company. So the money goes into the company. I was like, yo, you pay the child support, and I don't want to hear about it. She didn't pay it. We both moved to L.A. And then she has her lawyers put a warrant on me after I gave $1,000, $150,000, $125,000, the other 50, just because for my children, not on no child support shit.
Starting point is 00:06:19 And I'm like, get a call like, yo, you know you got warrants. I'm like, why? The child supports, and how is not paid? And I find out she didn't pay it, but it's all good because it plays out at another court very well for me, you know what I mean? But at the end of the day, I don't give a fuck. Part of the game. So you're going to have to go back to do.
Starting point is 00:06:34 deal with this further? No, no, that's done. It's over. No, no, meaning I'm going to have, okay, so that was to, again, take a company from me. So now I have to go to another court to get my company back. Right. And showcase everything that went on and how strategic and, you know, there was a big conspiracy here. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:48 You know what I mean? But it's pretty obvious and it's all there. And I'm glad that it's, you know, everyone gets to see it. Like, the thing about my problems, they're not problems to me. They all will be resolved as about patience. But again, I'm playing a bigger game. I'm in a bigger business is chess and I check this for me. You understand what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:07:03 Yeah. But most people don't understand it because they're not doing what I'm doing. Right. If you're not doing what I'm doing, you're not going to understand. If you don't have the plans I have, if you haven't executed the things I have, if you haven't won the wars that I've won, you wouldn't understand what this general was doing. Explain what was going on in the video with you telling the press to fuck off outside the courthouse or whatever. Oh, it was because when I walked out, the dude from the pole,
Starting point is 00:07:23 because the thing that I got locked up, I was in for an hour, walked out. And you said they were nice to you? The sheriff's, they were respectful? Yeah, they were dope. Okay. I ain't going on. It wasn't. Besides the fact that they had me in cuffs, everything.
Starting point is 00:07:33 else. It was like almost having a police escort because it really wasn't nothing. But I was upset because when I walked out, the dude from the post was like, oh, so you borrowed the money from Lee Daniel? Like, that's what you would love for people to think. I gave him money, and then y'all going to try to act like, you know, it's funny
Starting point is 00:07:49 you, it's funny, you know, it's funny they never say anything about all the things I'm doing. Y'all just be talking about the shit and the problems that come with big business, but I never talk about the big business that I'm doing. They just talk about the problems. So there's no business that doesn't have a legal department that doesn't have lawsuits all day long. It's just that I'm an individual and people, you know, I'm a rock star.
Starting point is 00:08:06 So people talk about it and they don't understand it. Like, that's what happens with big business. People try to steal all the time. That's crazy. That's crazy. The Post just came with that right away because it's like they already know they know exactly what headline they want to rock with. It triggered me. They know what to say to that's going to get you riled up.
Starting point is 00:08:21 You just want out of jail. But the thing is, my riled up is different because I'm going to call you out and put you on TV. Period. I could put him on television. And then you saw the next time. That's what you told the lawyer. You told the lawyer. I'm going to make you famous, bro.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I'm cheating. The thing is y'all think you're going to leverage my celebrity and use that against me to control the narrative. I can have the position and I'm in the position to do that to you. So when I walked up in the postie every other day, I saw it and took pictures of every writer, took their name and was like,
Starting point is 00:08:44 I watch what you write about me now because now I know you. You know what I mean? And you've seen me outside, like I can show you times where I flip the camera on them and be like, yo, look at you. This is what your mother raised you to be. A gossip. You went to college for this.
Starting point is 00:08:55 You should be ashamed of yourself. I show it to you. I always turn the cameras on them. To me, you know, people that write about other people, I mean, I don't really respect this so much because they're not in the game. And unless you play in the game, you can't tell me how to play. So don't tell me how to react. And being a boss, if you never been a boss.
Starting point is 00:09:10 You never cut a check to somebody, don't tell me how to react. But what's the difference between that and then saying, like, I don't know what me and him do or, like, being a podcaster or, like, just being a commentator or anything. Being a fucking ESPN dude. Well, that's the reason why I sit down and talk to him direct and ask him about his shit. Yeah. And I ask about what's going on in his world. And that's why I respect because he'll have the conversation about his life as opposed to just talking about mine. So that's what the common, the reason why the conversation with him was different because it was not about me.
Starting point is 00:09:35 It wasn't interviewing me. We were having a conversation. You know what I mean? That's what it is, the Adam and Dame show. You're not interviewing me. That's the, uh, no jumper show. He interviewed me already. Now we ain't talking about us.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Now, that was cool when he came back. So was the deposition done immediately after you got brought in there? The day after, see what happened was the dude Chris, Chris Brown. He actually called the sheriff and told him I was coming in because he knew I had to do a deposition. the next day. So another, another grimy move. So, you know, I shoot this movie, use my cameras, use my locations, cast it, edit it, reshoot it, get a deal for it. And because the person is dude, Mike Munster, I let him stay in because he had said this dude Tony White had robbed him. And I was like, I, he seemed like a cool dude. I'll let you pay for the edit, but don't
Starting point is 00:10:20 get involved in nothing. You understand what I'm saying? Period. He paid the editor to give him the footage. He went and copyrighted it under another name. And then he went and hired this dude, Brian White actor, a black actor, or gave him some money, and this dude that was my co-director, not my co-director, not even said co-director, my assistant director. Like, I was telling him what the dude the whole time, and he was a white dude that was just admiring me the whole time, and now he's pretending he was a director of my movie.
Starting point is 00:10:46 And it's hilarious because, you know, my man, like Columbus Short, for example, he starred in a movie, like, I'm not going to that. I wasn't the only part of the movie because I thought you did it, and you did do it, and I'll always tell everybody you directed it every second of it. But, you know, he's not going to be bought, because loyalty and sometimes honor means more than money, and it should at all times. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:11:03 And the DP, and I taped every second of it, of me taping it. You know, I tape everything. So the bottom line is this whole thing happened in L.A. And because I think I have a company in New York and this dude has a company in New York, they did the action in New York because they knew I couldn't come to New York. And every time I couldn't come to New York,
Starting point is 00:11:21 I was getting sanctioned, and they were saying I was disrespecting the court. So imagine a dude calls the police on you, thinking you're going to be. get arrested just so you could get something else throwing out of technicality and you in the room with him the next day. That's why he said that at the end. You thought I wasn't going to come. Yeah, you thought I wasn't
Starting point is 00:11:36 going to be here. Now you look all shaky and shivery, right? You know, now you're scared and he was looking like a clown because his thing backfired on it. He's the one that sent that to TMZ. I wasn't meant for people to see. Wow. You know, because what he did was the next day, they just edited it, transcribed it by the morning. And, you know, in court, it doesn't really rock because we have to have a chance to
Starting point is 00:11:54 look at it to say what's right or wrong. And he only put the parts that I said. So the judges in there reiterating, I hate your collar. I hate, like, I'm in there like, you're disrespecting the court. I'm like, come on. I ain't disrespecting the court. I'm disrespecting him, and that's not illegal. And I answered every question in deposition, but when they were fixing stuff, that's when
Starting point is 00:12:12 I would be getting at it. But while he was asking me questions, I answered every one of them. How long was the actual deposition, though? No, no. Because we only saw the two-minute clip. Oh, the definition. That was about an hour. So they cut together, like, all the moments that made you look like you were tripping,
Starting point is 00:12:25 right? There was way more moments. Oh, really? Really. I show you. They could have made you look worse then? I didn't look. It wasn't no making me look worse. Bottom line is they didn't show that the reason why they only showed those parts
Starting point is 00:12:35 was because they couldn't show that I was answering the question. So the question that I was answering were logical and they were showcasing they were like going to really lose. So he's doing anything he can to get it thrown out on the technicality. But that's a strategic business play. But you know, I just think he's a coward and I don't respect someone trying to rob
Starting point is 00:12:51 me and really I don't respect anyone trying to take a credit for my craft. I think that's the most disgusting like The dude Brian White, I lost every ounce of respect for him because he's an artist, and he knows I directed every second. And he was trying to justify it to me. Like, I freestyled some of those scenes. That doesn't mean you directed it?
Starting point is 00:13:08 Like, come on, bro, knock it off. You're an artist. I'm an artist. You would take credit for another man's art for money? That's crazy to me. And Brian White, you should be ashamed to yourself. And anybody next to Brian White, ask him how he could do that. He was doing interviews, like, oh, I really interviewed, like how his process and all this.
Starting point is 00:13:24 I didn't see it, but I saw the pictures. And it was like they're doing screenings of my movie. my edit and at the end of that hearing because what happened was we were only having a hearing the next day to go over the fact that they were showing a movie that I directed and that I wrote because in the editing I had to rearrange the whole movie because I didn't shoot off the script and that's what they were showing and it had my copyrights because all my stuff is in it so they had to reshoot it so they say and they have to take out all my stuff so they say and they have to show it to us
Starting point is 00:13:53 before they show it again and they hadn't shown us another screener so really what happened was I had to pay for the deposition, but by next Friday, they got to produce a new movie, and it better be nothing that was shot on my camera on that, period. They better, and they can have, any movie they shot they can have, but my movie is my movie. I feel like I might have miss this. Why did they want to cut you out of it in the first place? So they don't have to pay me. How what? Why else? And what really happened was to do Mike, and, you know, the thing is, they were like, oh, because he's trying to act like he funded the movie because he paid for certain course because he paid the actors so the people he paid think he's the boss.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Oh yeah. And he's telling him he's telling people he hired me and fired me and I'm like yo, brother, I didn't even know him until after the movie. You understand what I'm saying? I just let him stay on because he said he got robbed by the same guy that tried to rob me and I was like, cool, we could rock together but he actually was still doing that just to be, you know, to snake me for the movie and then you know, pump Willie. Wow.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Yeah, but he'll come out court. This is an assistant director, you said? What did Josh do was my assistant. he was my little man. You know what I mean? I made him, you know, run around and do what I say, and he just was tight the whole time. He was mad. He wanted my life. He wanted the people that worked. He wanted my house. He wanted my car. He wanted my clothes.
Starting point is 00:15:04 He wanted my swag. And now he really pretended he meet. A real live culture voucher. You know what I mean? And then do some slick shit, like, talk tough over the phone, but then get scared and bring the police to my door knocking like, I'm scared. People are saying they going to kill me. I'm like, I ain't got nothing to do with that. You a clown. And he got the police there.
Starting point is 00:15:22 And then call me and try to be like, Yo, I'll meet you in the gym I'm like, bro, you already called the cops. You're dead to me, man. You're a sucker. Get out of here. You want to see you in the gym? You know, whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:31 He's kind of boxing and shit. He's kind of boxing. He just wants to do anything. He wants to beat me bad. But a lot of people do. But I think this dude is a little, he has a little problem. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:41 But, you know, whatever. We'll deal with him court. Ben Baller was telling me you got hands. Yeah, I'm right. Can you tell you about this text that Ben Baller sent to him about like Adam warning him not to call you a nickname. good for some reason. Ben Baller just told me, he goes, man, like, do not play with Dame. Dame got hands. I'm like, yeah, all right. Like, I'm not going to play with Dame,
Starting point is 00:16:00 whatever you mean. Like, why would that matter? I don't think Dame going to beat me up anyway. And he goes, nah, but for real, if you were to, like, call Dame the N-word or some shit, he would probably fuck you up. And I'm just, like, texting Ben back, like, what the fuck did I ever do that would make you think that I would do that? You're fucking nut job. Now, I've been boxing my whole life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, you know, I like, you know, I like, you know, I'll show you some clips of me fighting like Andre Berto and all that. So it's just my hands are trained.
Starting point is 00:16:25 How you feel about, I don't know. Like, you got to like go take them to get, like, what's that? Oh, you got to get your hands certified? Yeah, you got to get them certified. They just, you know, I'm not a professional, but I fight professional. Period. Housephone had to get his dick certified because so many bitches died from that shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:38 It's all fucked up. Does he do this with you on your show? Exactly. Just roast, just a casual roast? What's wrong with that? No, just the dick jokes. I'm a comedian. Just all the pause jokes.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Yeah, you're right, you're right. The pausible. That's the wrong show. We're on the wrong show for that. I'm saying he fucked up because I interviewed Dave East the other day and he had just been on the cover of a magazine called Paws. And he's from Harlem. And I wanted to say it.
Starting point is 00:17:00 I'm like, how do you feel about it? It wasn't like a sussing. It's actually a reputable magazine. Yeah, I didn't heard about it. It's just when you put a guy from Harlem on the cover of Paws magazine. I think you would have laughed at that just like that. He would have laughed. He would have fun too.
Starting point is 00:17:11 He would have laughed that off. I'm sure you got some jokes for that in Harlem. He probably would just call. Had some gay jokes from me too. Oh, good. Oh, I don't know. I can't believe you didn't ask him about that. I know, I totally.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Especially you. I can't believe you didn't ask him. You of all people, yeah. Well, you want to hear another, oh, I took the other day. The other day I interviewed B.Hs, whose nipsy hustle's like best friend that he was since he was like 13.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I was going to say, and I didn't know until right afterwards that the day before Boss Hog had been driving in a car that I guess it was a rental, but it had been reported stolen, and this crazy video came out of all these cops with these guns out,
Starting point is 00:17:46 and he's in the middle of the street, laying down and shit. They pulled him over. I guess it all got resolved right away because he didn't steal the car. It was already stolen or some shit. But I didn't know about that shit, so I didn't ask him about it. So it's kind of unfortunate. But here's the thing about you, though, you do like to pull triggers.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Oh, yeah. So you intentionally do ask questions that some people may not feel like talking about, but you do that intentionally. So how do you feel about the way people feel about your questions? Do you even care? I saw you with the little dude, the little young teca, that's his name? A little teca. And you said some slick shit to him.
Starting point is 00:18:17 He just walked off when you, you know, something like that. But it was obvious you did that on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do you do that? Why do you do that? Because he has like a public beef with a little mozy. Why you be doing that? I don't want to know about this beef.
Starting point is 00:18:28 I want to know why you be doing that. Because that's what people want to hear from him right now. Like he's blowing up. Well, black people want to hear? Oh, man. Some black people, but also other people. But you don't be asking white people no shit like that. I would.
Starting point is 00:18:44 If I had a good question to ask him, I don't know, like most, like some good questions. I just asked some white people. Oh, I just asked Jal my people. Oh, I just asked him. Harlow about Lil Uzi Vert putting the clown emoji over his face. Boom, that's a white rapper. There's still black people involved in that. A white on white crime.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Why you don't get, why you don't start up no white beef? One of the white. There's nothing fun about. M&M, like the best white beef in memory, right? Like, what was better than that? I mean, Eminem versus ICP was pretty late. Actually, yeah, you'd be fucking white people, you're right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:13 But he's good, but he has the thing. He asked the questions that everyone wants to hear. He just didn't ask any questions. But my question is, do you do you do? The question is do you care how other people feel when you ask those questions? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. And I don't want to disturb the relationship.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Like, if it's something that like really is fucked up, if it's an open case or if it's something I know they're like really butt hurt about or, you know, I was like, I don't want to make it super uncomfortable. But I was thinking about this the other day. I think my interview style is kind of like try to have the most laid back conversation possible of just chilling and talking and stuff. But then by the end of it, I'm going to ask you how you feel about the dude who shot your brother.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And like, I'm going to ask you about like how you felt about your baby mom and cheating on you and like you know but like get super comfortable and then ask them about the crazy ass shit basically just bait them in lure them in i i just wish that you know because again the good thing there's like a gift and a curse with you because you do empower a younger generation that doesn't otherwise have that platform and you get with them before they blow up and you help them blow up but a lot of what gets promoted be the bullshit and motherfuckers get hurt and go to jail and you've already been involved in a lot of tragic shit, you know what I mean? Like, you've seen
Starting point is 00:20:22 and lost some people, like, your name gets mentioned in courts. That shit is real, bro. That's true. I've seen Vlad name definitely on some actual shit. I'm talking about him. Has your name been in a court document from, like, they use no jumper to do this?
Starting point is 00:20:38 Yeah, for the other dude, you know, for the young kids. There's been a young boy. Oh, yeah, but in court? But that wasn't even about anything I did. That was about young boy making an Instagram video when he was not supposed to be on social media calling me out talking to a girl about him.
Starting point is 00:20:54 He's getting into the wrong semantics. I'm just saying that's what actually happened in that situation. Bigger picture is, I'm just saying to have your name and like so every interview, when you interview somebody about someone that could like get shot, the police
Starting point is 00:21:09 are looking at that interview. They're utilizing every Instagram and that's what they watch and you're at the forefront of that. So I'm just saying that you do understand that these beef that sometimes get promoted and that people want to hear about do cause a lot of collateral damage in the culture. But I'm just saying that I can't think anytime I actually talk to somebody about a situation like that where anything happened from it.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Like I see my name in court, but not about anything serious. Not specifically. I'm just, bro, what do you mean? Listen. What was the serious example? Like I said, the kid NBA young boy. Yeah, but that was about something he said about me. But my point is your name is, like for me.
Starting point is 00:21:48 You don't get it, right? For guys like me, our name in any court is not a good look at all. Right, but again, it was just him talking about me, him getting in trouble for talking about me. You know, it's like, what is that to do with me? That's your point, and it's duly noted, and I understand it. But my point, because you have to also listen to my point. Okay. My point is, generally speaking, lately there's been a lot of tragic things happening, and we need to stop that.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And I think it's our responsibility, regardless to how profitable it is, like, I would rather people be talking about my court cases and big business and politics than beefing with each other to the extent they feel they have to pull out guns and kill each other. And it's happening too much. And we're losing some real people. Like, you know, I lost Biggie. That was my friend. Like, I lost a friend and I know what the world lost. And every time I see somebody lost, I'd be like, number one, it's a track. for their families a tragedy for the world and it's getting too normal so how do we
Starting point is 00:22:51 change that so we could have the same kind of you know stimulation but make it it with it's not so much collateral damage how do we do that and that would be what would be great for the culture is just figure out how to make the beefs different so when people look at me I ain't about shoot nobody it's about self-empowerment but it sounds like I'm talking about shooting some I'm getting locked up like a gangster but people are not learning from me and the collateral damage that comes from my beefing is people get independent and they try to make themselves better and they become empowered you
Starting point is 00:23:25 know what's the win when someone gets hurt there is no win if people don't grow and money is never the win oh I agree for the right and that's how I see things it's not like I mean I'm not encouraging violence by any means I feel like about aren't gonna little mosey a little tech or not shooting at each and that's why that was funny I'm sorry they know they But the thing is one of their friends, Mike. Because it don't be them that do it. Of course, of course.
Starting point is 00:23:50 They don't ever be the actual person that shoots somebody sometimes. But it usually be the friend. Like, you know, at that other spot, at that one at that festival, the rappers wasn't shooting, but people die. Innocent people die. What festival are you talking about? Yeah, like shit is happening. Like, I don't really want to fuck nobody's shit up.
Starting point is 00:24:11 That's why I'd be trying to be general. But you know what I'm saying? But, you know what I mean? But things are happening that are not, like, I wouldn't want my daughter to be right now at certain hip-hop places because I don't want her to ever catch a straight bullet. You know what's crazy, though? I was in Vegas the weekend before the country festival got shut up. I was too. Life is beautiful.
Starting point is 00:24:34 I was there. And the nigger who had the hotel room, he was booked the same weekend, too. And I was there at that festival that whole weekend. That was some white people shit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's crazy. But this is the one thing. The windows opened in that hotel?
Starting point is 00:24:48 No, that's what I didn't know. A lot of windows don't open in a lot of hotels. Vegas, none of the windows open. But listen. I was just wondering about that. But listen. No, when I went, well, apparently, supposedly that's what he supposedly did. But when I went to Vegas, the last time, whatever suite we was in, the window fully open, and it was a full balcony you could step out on.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Tell me where that's it. Because I need that. Oh, that's when I'm in Vegas, bro. That was whatever one I went to when we first got there. That was Elias. Yeah. 200 man I'm smoking yeah but they'll come up to your room after 45 minutes and fucking you out and shit that happened to me we were staying at a hotel because
Starting point is 00:25:20 Hesh thought it would be funny we stayed at the Trump hotel oh yeah honestly there I got so fucked up I'm smoking a blunt in the room they fucking knock on the door they're like they didn't kick me out they made me pay like 300 bucks or whatever I'm about to say too yeah but then I couldn't keep smoking they like we were tripping out they like you can't keep doing this yeah if I could keep smoking 300 whatever you got keep smoking but the thing is the smell fucks with the other yeah they got kids on there that's when you they tried to charge us like 500 At the Aria.
Starting point is 00:25:45 At the Aria. But if you get a smoking room, then you're just sitting in there, and it smells like fucking Newports, dude. Smoking rooms are so gross. Wait, can I just say that honestly, the Trump was the nicest hotel. I'm not even trying to be funny. Like, the shit was just nice.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You stayed there? I felt uncomfortable, though. This is the same weekend. Me and Hes thought it would be funny. I thought it would be funny, too. You know what I think is going to be funny? Because now Trump, if he does get past this impeachment, will have to run against Bloomberg, and Bloomberg is a legit man.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Do you think Bloomberg is going to beat Warren and all that? He has a television network, bro. That's how you win it. That's how you win it. That's how you win an election. Wow. I don't know about that. Well, let me just tell you something.
Starting point is 00:26:25 What is with him coming in the race this late? This is like unheard of, right? This is bizarre. He knows everyone's week. I don't think he's not winning. He said, let me just see how everyone's looking. And he was like, I got this easy. Well, what's he polling?
Starting point is 00:26:37 Is he even, did they even have polling date on him? Because nobody's even considered voting for him yet. Listen, listen. I believe Bloomberg will win. I do not. I believe Trump will probably win, to be honest. I just don't really have a lot of faith. You might want that's who you're supporting.
Starting point is 00:26:52 He just low-key wants him to win. I was going to say, is that who you're supporting now? I would vote for Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, who I'm not huge on. I thought you were a Wayne gang. Is he out the race? I don't think you ain't got it, bro. I didn't say that I won him to win.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I said I think he could pull it up because he's a real business man. He really has that bread. I don't know, man. I feel like people. Because you got to understand something. The country is run like a business. It just outsources everything. And also you have to know how to lobby to get a law pass.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Yeah, but the same logic, that Starbucks, motherfucker. Everybody laughed him out of the race right away. He never made any waves at all. Because he's not Bloomberg. And he doesn't have a television network. He sells coffee. Right. Bloomberg sells business, bro.
Starting point is 00:27:29 He's a businessman. That's what he does. He has a whole network about business. I hope you're right. He probably looked at Donald Trump. He makes the most sense. He looked at Donald Trump. I was like, I could do the same thing.
Starting point is 00:27:39 He's like, I'll show my taxes. I'll show my bread, my liquid is. He's not a hustle like that. He's a straight business man. He laughs. I've been around them people, man. He got some real bread. Chelsea, how progressive is he?
Starting point is 00:27:49 Is he like mega AOC woke? Why you ask Chelsea? I just figured she would probably know. Do you know how progressive his politics are? Why? Her? I just felt like she looked like she knew because of the shit she was saying earlier. And you know what's crazy?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Okay, Dame, how progressive are Michael Bloomberg's politics? This nigger, this nigga will yell at everybody in the room with his show, like, no talking off camera. and the first thing you do is ask somebody completely off camera. Okay. That's it. It's a lot of people. One, two, three.
Starting point is 00:28:17 How progressive is he? Why her first? I want to know that. Why her? I don't know. She's volunteering information about him already. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Do you know how progressive he is? Because I think that that is the whole entire thing that will hinge on is how to his politics compare to Warren and Bernie. That's what you're wrong. Well, he'll have so much more money to spend out of his pocket on advertising. Period. Come on up here. Come on. You got to do that.
Starting point is 00:28:42 You gotta say that. It's gonna be a... We gotta see who the villain that I just asked off camera is. That's why. Devil, white woman. Here, just... No, no, I'm not taking your chair. That would be a superditchy white person move.
Starting point is 00:28:58 You're a woman, no, that's cool. We're about that. We're about that. House phone's gonna sit on my lap. Pause. You can sit on... Oh, no, you're married, so you can't sit on his lap. I should...
Starting point is 00:29:09 Oh, shit, we got a five-some now? All right. But he called me on here as like the other evil white person. The other evil wife. I feel like you're very knowledgeable on this and we want your insight. I just want to know why. I have some questions I want to ask. People didn't even know she was there. She spoke up and said, you know, that was a flex.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Also white supremacy. And also white supremacy. I mean, I honestly like it too, but I feel kind of bad. But at the same time, you were on our fucking asses last week. So I'm ready to dig into you today. Oh, that's fine. Let's go. Go in on me.
Starting point is 00:29:39 So what would you say? Well, I was just, well, first I was going to say not so much about Bloomberg, but I'm not sure that he will defeat Trump because. CNN just came out with their... I don't think Trump's getting past the impeachment. Well, let me tell you something. CNN just came out with their poll that they do on a very regular basis where they talk about...
Starting point is 00:29:53 Where they ask people, you know, do you want to see the president impeached or not? And that statistic hasn't moved since the impeachment hearings have started. It's remained at a stable 50%. Only 50% of our population, believe it or not. That's a lot. He should be impeached? I don't think people want him to. You're absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:30:13 It is a lot. Clinton only ever got to 30%. Can I talk for one second? I wanted to say something. 50%, let's be clear, is a lot. It does not have to move. That's right. And they've had such a compelling case.
Starting point is 00:30:25 See, I talk to Congress often, Congressman Carson. And at first they thought, let's just let them get out of here. So we try to impeach him and lose, it'll make him stronger. So they were going to let it go. They have air tight on him. Too many witnesses. The Senate's going to look crazy if they don't get in his ass. Well, all the Republicans already look crazy as far.
Starting point is 00:30:44 fuck defending them and they've shown no qualms about that so far. Yeah, but then they'll lose when they run. So, well, they got to be like, if they do, if they support him outright and they got to come up for an election, they may lose in that market, period. They've tied all their boats to Trump. They have no plan B. Honestly, I wouldn't talk to you about politics because you're going
Starting point is 00:31:00 from instinct. You don't even do any research. I know. I pay plenty of attention. You pay attention. You haven't said anything that my opinion is invalid now. You haven't said anything that reflects that you have been looking at anything or doing any research about this. You're just talking to all over. I respectfully disagree.
Starting point is 00:31:15 It would be like the white coalition. You didn't bring up a poll. If you want to start a coalition. You didn't bring up none of that. You just said what people feel. But we're talking about a candidate that they don't have polling data on, correct? Well, now, you know, now this is where you can tell me. What do white people want with Trump?
Starting point is 00:31:28 I think that the Democratic candidate is going to be decided on the verticals of who's the most woke versus who's the most safe. No. And it seems clear that everybody's going in the woke direction. So let me tell you a little how I see it, right? If I'm, if you guys are my crew, And I'm like, yo, y'all got help me be the president, and we all going to eat. And I get president, and each one of you go to jail, I lost. That's already happened.
Starting point is 00:31:52 And that means the people that helped me get there before will not be able to help me get there anymore. And no one else is going to want to try to help. Also, there will be no more WikiLeaks, and there will be no more Facebook. So all the weapons that he had before, he does not have anymore. That's logic. And that's what I was telling Congress. And also, another thing is a lot of white women weren't stepping up to vote. That was the problem.
Starting point is 00:32:13 White women don't vote. Y'all need to step up. Go tell all the white girls to go ahead and do what they got to do. You're on to something there because in that same poll, 60% of all women actually were in favor of impeaching Trump, and that number has moved. So you're absolutely right about women and white women. That's a very key statistic.
Starting point is 00:32:27 So what people don't understand is the fate of the world is in white women's hands right now. And I think it's your responsibility to step up and do the right thing. No one has to see what's going on when you're in there, nobody see it. So you could act like you voted for a Republican, but do the right thing. But let me probe a little. bit because if that was the case then what happened that is the case that is the case because I read hillbilly that is the case I know I know how she that is the case so but what so did she white women she lost the white woman vote then white women did not vote period that was the
Starting point is 00:32:56 problem they were not stepping up and you know they were doing with their husband on the racist part but my point besides all that again he going into it with a completely different crew Giuliani's high he can't do none of his cute shit the Russians can't help he tried to go to the Ukraine it looked like there was some desperate moves that were being made right there. So, you know, for me, I think it's going to be interesting to see how he does without his weapons. But he has no Cohen, and they all snitched on him. And the minute he gets off that
Starting point is 00:33:21 seat, they're going to cook him. And you saw what your man say. He said, look, you know, when they investigated him, I did my job, now do yours. You know, we can't do shit to an acting president. Congress do your job and Senate do your job. And that's what happened. But can I I probe that a little bit too? Because... What's this
Starting point is 00:33:37 probe word? You keep saying. Pause. Pause. Pause. Thank you. I go. My first one. I don't know. With that finger. House funds down. I have to pause every one. No, no, I pause all the time at home.
Starting point is 00:33:47 First of all, girls don't have to say pause. True. My bitch do. Well, that's your game. And the game that I invented, paused. I invented that game. That came from my block. This I know.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Okay, so in our game, girls, you don't have to say pause to girls. You don't have to, but it's fun. See how he's doing that? It is fun. White-splaining. He's bogarting culture and making his own rules. I'm a student of pause. You might have invented it, but we can all have an opinion.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Nah, you can have an opinion of a game I invented. You ain't never say gay shit like we said. He's a student of just saying gay shows. My crew invented this. My crew, I can safely say, started that gay and pause. He started bro-top. That's not what I'm talking about. Literally nobody questions that.
Starting point is 00:34:25 So you can't tell me shit about it. I'm just saying we know about some gay-ass chick. He started a thing called bro-top. You want to tell the founder of pause the rules. Now, you know he's out of his mind. Wait, so that doesn't, that angers you. It doesn't flatter you when somebody takes something up. Tells me my rules of something I made.
Starting point is 00:34:37 No, take something up that you've laid down. But if he used it, but if he uses it wrong and doesn't listen. Yeah, that's definitely. Definitely disrespectful. And he's using it wrong. He's talking, he's not like a general, like, you know, like a theory. I really made this shit up with my crew. So I'm telling him the rules and he's telling me now.
Starting point is 00:34:52 No, you don't do that. Yeah, you're a strict constructionist, right? I made the rules. In this thing, my crew made the rules so nobody can tell us the law. You can make up a different law than it's a different game. So let me go back to what you were saying earlier. Because I'm really fascinated by the politics we were talking about. No, because I want to ask you because you,
Starting point is 00:35:12 What you were saying is, is that... Thanks for playing the game. A-O. In the end, you're supposed to say A-Yo, right? That in the end, that Trump has exhausted many of his remedies, right? He went to Russia. He went to the Ukraine. And, hey, there's no way in hell that said the center's going to be able to stand up and not impeach him.
Starting point is 00:35:30 That means, and I'm actually shocked to hear you say all of that, because it means that you actually have an incredible amount of faith in the system. Yeah. Is that true? Do you have faith in the system? I'd be interested in hearing about that. But what I've seen is when things are made on public embarrassment and it's on Front Street, public opinion means a lot.
Starting point is 00:35:48 So if the facts are laid out and it's undeniable and it plays itself out, like I just don't believe the fed will ever take a loss in public. And I don't think the feds are ever going to let anybody embarrass him the way Trump is looking like he's embarrassing. I think they're just giving them rope. And again, when everybody gets locked up and they tell there has to be a payoff. I haven't seen the pay off yet. Okay. I haven't heard that theory. It is interesting, but I'll also give you credit because you're absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:36:17 50% is a huge number. I've been telling, I was like, yo, they're going to impeach it. And I've been arguing with people for years. I'm like, trust me, it's going to happen. And now that it is happening, I'm laughing. Again, I'm looking like I know everything, but it seemed fairly obvious to me. Like, Godi, he could beat one thing. He could beat it. You can't beat everything and one thing cooks him. He's done too much.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Like, you know, it is what it is. But again, you know, he said a lot of things that in court won't stand up. He's trying to stay out of that court, but he purges himself his asses out. As soon as he talks, he doesn't, you know, he says what he has to say. Like, you know, he does what he does. But you can't do that as the president. Like, for me, if I, like, people, my friends have said, yo, we should run for office. I said, why, you guys would all go to jail?
Starting point is 00:37:00 Because it would make everybody hot. They looked under the hood. I don't even know why a homie would even run for president and all the shit he was doing and they were getting away with me. I don't know why he did it. Well, it's humor. Everything up. It seemed like they had a good hustle before this.
Starting point is 00:37:12 No, but it's hubris, and it's why of all the men that... I just think they just like, yo, you don't get president, you're going to jail. So that's the only way you're going to keep us out. And he just went balls to the wall. And that's what I look at it. I think he's what I look at it. But that's because men like that think they're above the rules. They have hubris.
Starting point is 00:37:26 It's like the men who've gotten caught up in the Me Too movement, right? I mean, they continue to do it. But there would be no Me Too movement if it wasn't for Donald Trump. I don't know. He wasn't the first. He was not the first. Yeah, it was already gone. Listen to me, the reason why they exposed it so bad is because they couldn't bust him.
Starting point is 00:37:42 So when they got to him and no one said nothing, they were like, we're getting somebody. I'm telling him to start taking everybody down. That's an interesting theory because I, of course, was at the center of one of the biggest Me Too's that has happened, except it was just before Me Too, and that's why nobody took notice of it. Because I was a CEO of American. I was a CEO of American Parenthood. I've been thinking about Harvey Weinstein for a while, and no one was saying shit. Right, right. Like, literally.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Like, everybody knows. They were like, I've been flipping on him for years. Yeah, but you have a point because that was aligned with around the time that Trump, was running. No, it was before that, and everyone was saying I was crazy and I was fucking up, and I was like, I'm not looking the other way with this guy. Fuck him. Fuck him.
Starting point is 00:38:16 He's a piece of dog shit. I always said it like that with him. Like, I don't like him. And we'd argue, but be friends and this and the third because we were in the same circle, but we never worked together after paying his fault. And I was making noise about it. Like, I don't see what this dude is doing, not with the sexual shit, the other shit. How disrespectful he was with everybody.
Starting point is 00:38:32 And then as soon as Trump came, people got real sensitive. Trump made people sensitive. And it was time for the world to get sensitive. It gave consciousness. Everything they can't bust Trump for, they're busing everybody else. Until they bust them. Right. No, and I'm totally agreeing with you.
Starting point is 00:38:47 It's almost like a distraction. It's like, let's just feed them all these other people until we could get the big fish to me. Yeah. But I think if he gets caught for one minute thing, you can't have but so many battles. And I don't know how he's paying all those lawyers. Well, he's got money squirled away.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Whatever. All those bankruptcies, those were his company's filing. That wasn't him. Like, as I'm saying, everything opens doors. Like, so many. people are exposed his family's at stake I wouldn't want to be him at all ever in life yeah he's really got himself
Starting point is 00:39:17 into quite a pickle huh because his homeboys that are 70 are going to jail one by one other dude just went to jail 70 or I forgot his name others of them are dying or being killed in jail right not to talk and then he just linked on the guy from the that does the
Starting point is 00:39:32 what's that squad what's that one examiner what's that one the star like that yeah the star inquirer yeah they So they're leaning on his man. They're talking to him.
Starting point is 00:39:44 The prosecutors now, I think, are talking to him. Everyone is hot. I don't see anything. I don't see this being good for anyone's family that he was at Thanksgiving with last year. I think it's a whole different table. I wouldn't want to be him. So he gets to the Senate for his trial, which is majority Republican, and they convict? That's your predicting.
Starting point is 00:40:04 I just think if they don't, those guys, the Senate, they're going to look bad. Okay. They're going to look bad, but they don't know what a fuck. very like that. They can't because they're not going to get elected next time. You'd have to have, well, that's interesting because if 50% of the public doesn't think that Trump should be impeached, do they not get elected the next time? That's a small, that's supposed to be a way bigger number for that.
Starting point is 00:40:25 No, it absolutely is. You keep saying it's 50-50, like that's not a big number. No, it's a huge number, and it's a bigger number than even Clinton at the height of impeachment talk. That's a big number. No, it's a huge number, but there's still 50% of the constituency out there. Whatever, the constituency is mission, right? You know, you got to see what they got in this trial and with their defenses. I haven't seen nothing.
Starting point is 00:40:48 No defense. I just trying to see people discredit and ignore and deflect. I haven't seen nothing compelling to get him out of this one. He hasn't had no, like, nothing to latch on to. No, no, absolutely not working. There's no, you know, there's no wall that keeps saying he's going to build. It ain't no other bullshit distraction. That's right.
Starting point is 00:41:05 There's just nothing there right now. Everyone is like, oh, it is what it is. It got him. You ever met Trump? Yeah, I'm telling him. We used to go to the Tennis Open. Would you have a good opinion of him at the time? I mean, he was Trump. He was a character, man. That's all. I thought it was, and I was in Trump, you know, we would, yeah, he was going to the U.S. Open.
Starting point is 00:41:24 Like, I don't really look at Trump like he's a complete racist. I just think he fucks with racist. He'll fuck with anybody. He's getting black people out of jail. Like, how racist is that? You know what I mean? So it's like, he'll mess with the Klan, but also mess with a black panther. You don't give a fucking mess with a Russian. He's going to do what he got to do for business. He'll fucking go on the WW. WF and he'll do anything for the dollar. Be friends with Kanye and Kim.
Starting point is 00:41:45 What about that, my. We'll bounce around. He does not give a fuck. He'll say ASAP Rocky. Keep rocking and ASAP. Get home ASAP. That doesn't sound racist. That was a great tweet.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Who's the album did his son tweet out again? Oh, Kanye's, right? Oh, yeah. I'm stupid, though, and I thought it was Trump that tweeted it. And I was like, I thought that was coming. I just think his moral compass is wrong and he puts money before culture. That's the problem. He thinks money means more.
Starting point is 00:42:13 That's why I have everything. But, you know, and look, that doesn't look like fun to me. Money and power. It's not just a money thing for him. To me, people that think money is power is just very insecure. I'm going to get a girl regardless, broke or not. But I'm not broke.
Starting point is 00:42:27 For the record. Meaning like, you know, regardless, like, you know, also take pride in the fact I could take care of myself and the people I love. Hey, I got a good idea. Let's talk about Kaepernick. Jesus. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Because that should have been going crazy, too, let's be real. Well, all right, so. Why don't you white woman splaying this for us? I know. I'm asking everybody. I'm just saying, that's a big old thing.
Starting point is 00:42:53 I had T.K. Kirkland on the podcast the other day, and he was, he just said he thinks it's over for Kaepernick, and that was before we even found out that none of the teams apparently drafted him. Kaepernick wasn't wrong to want to be in a place where the media could watch him, right? He has no faith in the system, back to the original point, right? He has no faith in the system and why should he?
Starting point is 00:43:11 So I don't think he was wrong to want to bend the rules a little bit and have media there, even if they were telling him no. Of course they're telling him no, because they want to fuck him up, right? And say that he had a horrible practice. But don't you think that that right there, that tryout or whatever, was going to be the start of the NFL saying, okay, we'll fuck with you, but you got to play by our rules. And our rules is that we control the camera crews and players don't get to control their own media.
Starting point is 00:43:34 I don't know to what extent that's out. But I just don't know to what extent him wanting to bring. his own camera crew is like a really out of the ordinary demand. I'm just not familiar culturally. I don't know either because I'm not a sports person, but it didn't seem to be out of the ordinary in the context in which he's coming up in, right? Where he's just been totally fucked by the forces
Starting point is 00:43:52 the entire time. He did play by the rules. You know, I mean, we have a First Amendment that allows us to protest, right? That allows us to express our opinion. So he was playing by the very rules that made this country, the Constitution, and he still got fucked and kicked out of the NFL.
Starting point is 00:44:07 So why would he want to continue to play by the rules? and having media at your practice seems like a teeny little infraction compared to how much they basically whipped him after that. The question is really just... Terrible wordy. The reason why... That's my point. I'm going back to the original conversation.
Starting point is 00:44:23 To me, logically speaking, the reason why I would have the... The reason why I would have... They're on. So it's not, like, through the speaker, right? The reason why I would have cameras is so if there was an injustice, that's right. That's exactly right. So it can just get documented.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Why should he have faith in the system after everything that he's been through? He'd want to document that he had a great practice and then get a fair shake. If there's no cameras, they can say he had a shitty practice and that's why we're not going to let him back into the NFL. At the end of the day in this moment, any team that he goes to, regardless of how good or bad he is, it's going to be a disruption to the team. It's going to be a whole lot of good and a whole lot of bad, right? Good. But I'm just saying as an owner, it's going to be hard for an owner to be like,
Starting point is 00:45:09 yo, I don't want to come and have to deal with all of this all day. I want to play football. But these issues should be dealt with. But to me, the issue is I'm not trying to fit in other people's houses. We just need to start our own league. Like if they created it for them and for them to win, fuck them. Go do our own thing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:25 And that's how I look at things. I'm sick. I'm not mad when people don't let me in their house. I just go build my own. So Muhammad Ali, Karim Abdul-Jabbar. Let's talk about other athletes, right? That came up in a end. You and I both know that.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Yeah. So we can't talk about that. I agree with you. There's no internet then. So we can't. I agree with you. Yeah, so let's talk about today. But there's no good alternative for somebody wants to play football.
Starting point is 00:45:45 To me, my perspective is I don't complain about how the way other systems treat me. I just create my own system. That's how I do think. So instead of being like I want to be a show and put me on your network, I make my own network. Instead of saying I want to have a record deal, no, I'm going to make a record deal. no, I'm going to make my own company so I can give myself a record deal. Instead of saying,
Starting point is 00:46:07 hire me to be a director, no. I'm going to just pay for the movie and directed myself. You understand what I'm saying? So I never am one to be so, like, I would say, don't try to diss my people and definitely stop it and, you know, speak up. But the end of the day, it's just we need to get together
Starting point is 00:46:22 and do our own thing. I don't really like to be like, yo, let me in. I'll just be like, fuck you, I'm going to make more house, and y'all can't come in. What do you think Kaepernet should realistically do? I don't know. I'm not Kaepernick.
Starting point is 00:46:33 And I really don't know what he's thinking. I just think he's doing a good job in bringing awareness to something that's necessary. You know, I do think that, you know, the NFL should be a little more respectful to the players, a lot more respectful for the players. And if he's the person that, you know, symbolizes that, then that person is needed. If he's that person, that's great, you know. But you can understand why he won't be playing NFL, but it is impactful. He might do more for the NFL not being in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Like, we might be better for him. him to be like, go, let me take my skills and go figure out how to get in the NFL and run the NFL and change the rules, you know, and get in the infrastructure, as opposed to being like, I want to get paid better and treated better as a person that doesn't own any equity in anything. You know what I mean? So I'm not knocking that he's doing. I think it takes courageousness. And I think that he'll be able to leverage that for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 00:47:21 He's built a brand for independence. And that's what we needed. We needed to stand up. We had the kneel to stand up. And, you know, sometimes you've got to do that. But the solution is, it's not making. other people change, you know, people do things and create rules so they be hoombed them. So when you build your own house, you do what's been the best interest of your house.
Starting point is 00:47:39 And it might not be as big as everything else, so then you have to maybe walk away from that dream. Maybe your dream has to change. You know, maybe the ultimate thing isn't to be acknowledged by the NFL, but to actually do something and play the way you want and be the person you want to be. You know, that's just a person's win has to be different. And we're programmed to believe that success is that Lado ticket of being an NFL player or a professional. That's one out of a billion And that's not for everybody
Starting point is 00:48:03 But they train us to believe that we can do that And they actually do that from the day we're in school They don't train us to be politicians There's no political teams They don't teach us how to pass a law or how to lobby They don't educate us They say look The only way to get out of the working class
Starting point is 00:48:18 Is to either entertain us Or distract the other people that are in the working class And we train our whole life for that And then you have nothing else And that's a lot of and then what else you got after that? Then you go right back to the work in class. They don't train us to leave the working class. They don't train us to build our role. It doesn't behoove them to do so. And that's the reason why. Telling people and teaching
Starting point is 00:48:40 them about independence is disruptive because it changes people's perspective. They've been programmed to appreciate being given the opportunity to work for someone else's legacy, not their own. And think that's the garden of Eden. It's not. I'm not that snake that gives you the apple, but I'm not a snake. Here's consciousness, bro. being a high-paid slave is nothing. Being a master is always priceless. It doesn't matter, as long as you own something
Starting point is 00:49:08 that you could pass to your kids. But what is the realistic alternative that Colin Kaepernick could have engaged in, aside from joining the NFL? I was very honest about, I don't know. Right. I'm just saying that there's no option. It's like when it comes, if you want to be a...
Starting point is 00:49:20 That's what's stimulated what I'm telling you. The fucked up shit is he has no other options because he's been trained to play football this whole life. And he's been trained to think that if he's not validated by, the NFL, he doesn't win. And that's the reason why he wants to get in there.
Starting point is 00:49:35 You understand what I'm saying? So that's what's fucked up about the whole system. Because it leaves someone stuck if they don't treat you right. You stuck. It's sad because it seems that he truly is passionate about wanting to get back into football because although he's at the head of a movement, he's not very outspoken about it. Here's my question. Why don't you go play in Canada full of a while?
Starting point is 00:49:54 Sure. There's other leagues. It's not like his basketball, though, whereas like the overseas leagues. No, Canada is pretty strong. Doug Flutie went over there and did his thing. Canada is big in football, bro. What are you talking about? I mean, I'm talking about Canada.
Starting point is 00:50:05 I'm talking about Canada. That's all I said was Canada. They got football? I don't, no. I just said it. Yes. All right, I'm saying it now. Go Google it.
Starting point is 00:50:14 The Canadian Football League is pretty big. Or even if you want to play, it would be a place to showcase how nice you are. Sure. Or do they still have a rain of all? I mean, I'm just saying, and I'm not knocking them for not doing it, but I'm just curious. I would ask them, like, why you don't just go kill them in the Canadian League real quick? You're going to,
Starting point is 00:50:28 you saw that they put out a statement that allegedly Jay was saying that he's disappointed in Colin Kaepernick. Rock Nation said that he didn't actually say that. What do you think he thinks of it? I don't care, man. Next question. All right. Well, can I ask you a different question then now that a few weeks have passed since Jay's been involved? I don't care.
Starting point is 00:50:48 I don't want to ask about Jay. I don't care about Jay. Next. You know, the thing is I did personal business with Jay where you guys don't know him, never did no business with him. So it's not the same conversation. And it's not fair. No, I wasn't going to ask specifically about him. I don't talk about him at all.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Okay. Yeah, I don't talk about old school, J. because that's the J. I know. This J with the Dres Afro J, I don't know him at all. I can't tell you shit what he's thinking or what he's doing, nothing. I don't know nothing about old school J. But if you want to know about Caesar J, I can tell you about Caesar J. I would love to hear about that.
Starting point is 00:51:20 But getting away from that, just the idea. But I'm like talking about him in too much. You're talking about people who, so Cap, right, so the idea that he shouldn't be in that house at all, right? He needs to go out there. That's not what I said. I said, me. Now, he's been in a position where that's what he wants, and that's the point he want to make. But for me, I'm not going to do
Starting point is 00:51:37 too much beefing about that. I'm going to just go make my own league. That's why I have my own network, so I can do my own league. I make my own league. Right. So do you think that there's ever a time when you can be productive working within the system, for example, Jay's an example. No, I'm not talking about that. Let me give you an example. Let me give you an example of what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:51:53 And stop saying his name so much. Listen, it's just like you're triggering and shit. You shouldn't do it. But you're doing it, though, and I'm telling you my triggers, and you're still doing it. So please be conscious of it with triggers. I don't want to do it because people have so much to say about it, and then it takes off, that becomes the headline. Like a guy like that will say, Dame says Jane shit, and we just talked about a whole lot of other shit. You did say that. Yeah, my bet.
Starting point is 00:52:11 So what I'm saying, my, me, my outlook on things is I don't want to fit in because the system that was made 50 years ago was definitely not made for us. So why do I want to get into a slave master's old house? That's just how I see things, and I'm sorry, you know, but that's just me. And my actions for the last 30 years have reflected that. I fuck with it because, man, I really don't like dealing with labels, and it just feels like when I was signed to the label, it felt like that was the first time in my life that I had really been working. Like, I was so motivated and, like, inspired by everything my whole life.
Starting point is 00:52:48 And it's like I got a good check, whatever, but it was a year of work for nothing for a bunch of bullshit I don't care about. So now I have all these different labels talk to me, and sometimes there's people I really respect who are helmet in the labels and they want to do stuff and it's kind of like, I don't know, just working within that system is not motivating to me. Let me tell you what I was going to say about music when I said it.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Again, there's different ways you can work within the music business and the structure so you could get signed, slavery, 360, give your whole ass away, you know, or you could do a co-venture or you could do distribution. So they'll work with you anyway, but you have to be strong enough to control the narrative because their narrative will not behoove you, it'll be who them. So you can't work with, like, I would definitely work with the NFL.
Starting point is 00:53:30 I'm not saying I wouldn't. And if I could own a team, I would, but I'm not getting butt-necked to do it. I'm not going to compromise my morals and my principles to do it. I'm not going to sell my culture out to do it. Yep. You know, I'm not going to do it under those terms. I'll do it under my own, but, you know, usually those don't present themselves to me. So I always look at the plan I can control.
Starting point is 00:53:48 I'll flip. I might not be bigger than you today, but in 10 years I will because I'm better than you. So what do you think about things like switching gears for a little bit, but along the same vein, like the Grammys or other award shows? I didn't even show up to the Grammys when we won. Yeah. Because, you know, they're doing what's giving them ratings. And, you know, with them that vote, not the people or the fans.
Starting point is 00:54:08 So I don't get what fuck about them. I feel like. Right now, if I got to the Grammys, I would just go to fuck shit up, just to get drunk and have a good time and say, yeah, I did it my way. And that's it. I feel like me, I spent my entire life not giving them a fuck about the Grammys, if all of a sudden one day you find yourself famous and you're in the music industry
Starting point is 00:54:26 and you all of a sudden start acting like you really give a fuck about the Grammys then you're just being dishonest. Well, I've seen that happen. And it's so fucking corny. The same people that went to the Grammys that boycotted with me became the Grammy's Golden Boy.
Starting point is 00:54:38 And then they shit it on them. It happens. And that's why I was like, it's just a matter of time. It's like fucking with the government, bro. You know, once you have a different, you know, staff or someone else gets elected, you know, it's like a job.
Starting point is 00:54:50 You're a CEO will bring his whole crew and fire you by you. and all those deals that were there get lost. So you might be up for a second, but if that person is not in power, your ass is out. And people don't stay in power forever. And if you have sustainability, it will play itself out no matter what. So you might be in power now, but, you know, there's always a circle.
Starting point is 00:55:08 When I'm in power, it hurts hard. And the reason why I'm not in power is because I'm building a superpower. I'm just taking the time to build something new. And that's what I've been doing. The music business is too small for me. Fashion business is too small. It's too hard. It's too cash intensive.
Starting point is 00:55:21 I need to make a billion. So that's why I did a network. I like residual income. That's why I make content. I need to be scripted because if you talk about something present, you can't play it over and over again. You feel me? Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 00:55:31 That's why Vice is struggling. Yeah. Because they make news all day. You can only play it once. I make shit that can play all the time. I mean, there's a lot of reasons Vice is struggling. I'm just saying, from my perspective, you know, it's about the fact
Starting point is 00:55:44 you have to know how to make your own content, but it should be something that will play over and over again. Residual income is the best because you can always leverage it. Yep. They always get a loan against it. I have another topic that I thought would be interesting to talk about. The root today put out an article that quotes presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg. Am I saying that right?
Starting point is 00:56:06 You're saying that? You're proof of that? Night-chanac. Like I was reading. I read this article this morning and I want to hear your thoughts on it. Speaking about the educational system in 2011. Yeah, well, that's a good point too. then South Bend mayoral candidate Pete Buttigieg said there are a lot of kids especially in the lower income minority neighborhoods who literally just haven't seen it work he's talking about the education system and the root put out an article basically saying you're a liar because he's ignoring the unequal allocation of educational resources obviously like structural structural historical racism and he's basically making it sound like black kids in the hood who don't make it up out of the hood are in that situation because they just
Starting point is 00:56:48 haven't seen enough examples of people doing it and the roots making, obviously, the opinion that there are deep structural reasons why people end up trapped in their environments. The reason why is because first generation, rich is hard, and second generation money is easier. You have an easier time. You have more support. You have credit. There's a lot of things that you get when you're second and third generation. But first generation is the hardest generation to break out of that working class. And not many people do it. And the thing about school is they teach you from the day you walk in there
Starting point is 00:57:23 that you need to go to another school and pay a lot of money for it. And most people don't have that money. So the average have to get debt to get an education. So when they start and have a job, they start with debt. So you're always starting from a place of backpedaling in this program for that. So you have to get a job to pay off that debt. And then if you want to buy a house, you got to get more debt. And everything is about debt, leveraging debt,
Starting point is 00:57:43 or being having you scared of debt. And what you're scared of all day, your credit. And then, you know, again, I just say it, the Federal Reserve has no goal in it, and it's all a big Ponzi scream. So all of the system has been implemented years ago just for the whole sole purpose of controlling a working class to keep a working class working.
Starting point is 00:58:00 It was very strategic. So when I'm looking in ancient history and I'm looking at the Ananakis and, you know, the Dead Sea Scrolls and, you know, and my man Billy Carson and I would bring them up is looking into the pyramids, there is never hieroglyphics of schools. I don't see him.
Starting point is 00:58:17 When did this school thing start? A hundred years ago, when people had slaves. So whatever education that's been implemented. I'm confused by your point. What do you mean? So, number one, back in the real days, there was no school parents. The way to brainwash a child is to take them from his parents and have somebody fill their head with their agenda for 12 years straight.
Starting point is 00:58:36 So my daughter's only 10 years old, 11 now, and all she knows is she's going to college or she failed. Okay. and a person, no disrespect to teachers, but they don't make a lot of money. So how are they going to teach my child how to make a lot of money? And the system that implemented this school system, it was about 100 years ago. The people that made these education, made these colleges, all these things were all racist. They all had slaves.
Starting point is 00:59:01 For sure. So then how are we still living by the same rhythm of slave masters that only made these educations to control us mentally? Because they couldn't legally do it physically. It's logical. So why do we still abide by? the same laws and the same education that was implemented by people that had slaves. No, it's a great point. So would you suggest sort of getting out of the academic part of schooling and getting more
Starting point is 00:59:24 into kind of trade school so everybody comes out with a skill where they can, not school at all? I think people have to go to school as legal. There's fundamentals and social skills, but the parents have to teach the things that aren't being taught. So they don't teach you about farming in school. They teach you about algebra, where one percent of those people may be mathematicians or engineers. Right. Like, they were teaching me Latin when I went to school.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Why? You understand? There's so many things that I... There is a good reason to learn Latin. What reason? Have I... Not for me. There's no one of the world.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Words are the things that control... I don't need Latin and know how to speak. All words are derivative of... I don't need Latin. I didn't need Latin. It will not help me do anything in life other than... I totally agree. Nothing.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Latin hasn't helped me do a fucking thing. Algebra hasn't helped me do a fucking thing. A lot of history that they taught me has made me. me say that is a bunch of bullshit when I really looked under the hood and it makes me not trust because I'm like this the shit I was taught and then I think back to the shit that I actually used and I'm like yo they just wasted all my time and I used to be trying to get kicked out of the fucking class like I always tell people so I can sit in the room
Starting point is 01:00:27 with the principal and the principal wasn't even that bright to me I'd be like I don't be in here I ain't learning shit I'm bought put me in the get in trouble go to the principal's off he ain't doing shit I'm bought then I go make up more money than the principal have a better card in the president by the time I'm 15 why am I listening to you Yeah. So again, so you would have it be more like trade school. So you go there and you keep saying that. No, I said the parents. Not a pejorative sense. I never said trade school. I never said school. A lot of parents can provide though. They can't go through the research. They can't go learn. What do you mean? Why can't everyone is on internet? If a nigga got internet, if a nigga got IG, they can't, they can't anything they want. If you got Google, a lot of these people that has harbbing babies are not able to teach them. I'm not saying that they, it's not that they can't. It's that they won't. And that's not my fault. So I'm telling you what you do. If you do what you don't. I'm.
Starting point is 01:01:12 doing it. You can do what you want to do. I don't give a fuck. I'm not judging nobody. I'm telling you about me. I'm telling you what I do. I'm concerned with people, but I like going to do for so much to get them to do the right thing. I'm going to tell you what to do, which I do. I do my responsibility, but at the end of the day, I yield and my family yields and we good. If y'all don't want to yield, you don't have to. You don't wear this jewelry. I'll wear it for you. I can shine. Fuck it. I ain't worried about so many people, but so much. I care, but not that much, my nigga. Do you think that, do you think that that go to school, go to college, like that mold will ever break because it's insane because you know I'm... I would never advise
Starting point is 01:01:46 it. I would advise if you got 60,000 the year, invest that 60 in the business and let that be your school. That's an education bubble, man. People are going to figure out that the shit is not worth it. It's insane because you know I'm... Like you don't really start your life to your 25? That's ridiculous. You're an adult. You're supposed to be I was living alone when I was 17. I was a grown-ass man
Starting point is 01:02:02 when I was 17. People was working for me when I was 15. I had a car when I was 15. When you were 15, you had more money than the principal. We got to have a hustling conversation right here because I don't know if you ever really did it. The interview we really talked about what you were doing in the streets at young age. And I really wouldn't. See, I really want to hear about that, though.
Starting point is 01:02:18 That sounds great. Wow, it's been a long hours time. Statue of limitations. You've been through a few statute of limitations. I ain't got no. Bro, you saw they walk and put me in cups in front of a camera for fucking child support. You don't got to talk about nothing crazy. You just got to talk about, you know, what the corners was like.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Again, I used to hustle. I come from a block on 142nd Street, and the crew was called the Lynch mob. Google it. And you'll know. And guys like Lou Sims and my man Carlner just came home. And, you know, we live by certain ideals and principles. I ain't do what they did, but they did a lot. And they were legendary.
Starting point is 01:02:51 But, you know, the brotherhood and what we were always loyal to, that never changed. That's what it's always been. We always just, like, honorable. We play the game right. Whatever game that we play, we play in it right. If you cheat you lost, I'm just from a block that's kind of hardcore. But you could Google. I'll show you some stuff right now.
Starting point is 01:03:06 It's in magazines. You said one of your friends just came home. About two years ago. He got caught up when you were a kid? Yeah, a lot of my friends are now just coming home, yeah. Wow, that's so fucked. But, you know, a lot of these kids, they tell. They come home.
Starting point is 01:03:18 I want to hear a question. You know, the people I know. They went into this kids and they're coming out as adults, but they did the time, you know what I mean? Because they did the crime. And they didn't let their friends cook for it or the people they hustled with so they wouldn't do it. That's just, you know, that's not where I'm from.
Starting point is 01:03:31 What was the question you were going to ask? This motherfucker's snoring down here. It was somewhat answered, but not really. I was trying to get to the point of, like, when do you think this cycle of, you know, this pressure of you have to go to college to do this and that because me born in korea and coming to america you know i'm what is it 1.5 generation or second generation kid first generation i don't know um you know my parents didn't know anything else but go to school go to college and you'd get a job
Starting point is 01:03:57 and i feel like you know after that's how you control the masses i feel i feel i feel like i feel like i just broke out of that cycle recently being like what the fuck did i just do in college for four years, learning about psychology and all this fucking bullshit that I really don't need in life. I'm not trying to be a psychologist or therapist. But you did what you paid? Exactly. I paid a lot of fucking money. You did all that shit before you.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Do you feel like, I feel like you did all that before you really even realized who you were? Exactly. 100%. And what you said about, you know, you're not living life until you're 25. And I'm like, wait, fuck, I really just figured out who I am and what I wanted to do when I was 25. When I was, you know, if my parents are people around me. If you're 17 years old and you're investing $60,000 into a business for five years, so by the time you're 22, you've been doing a business for five years.
Starting point is 01:04:49 Now, by the time you're 27, you've done a business for 10 years, you're not 30, and you're already a solid brand, and you never have to work again. But if you only start when you're 25, you won't even start getting money by the time until you're 35, no real money. So I didn't get money overnight, real money. If I wasn't hustling when I was 18, I wouldn't have made sure. much money when I was 22. You understand what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:05:12 I just started early. You don't get good at something so you practice it. So, you know, someone that doesn't live life because they're in college, a professor, can't tell you how to go out there and live outside of college. So what do you think will break this fucking education? I think you called it a bubble. Do you think it's maybe the younger generation will figure it out through? Actually, I kind of think it's my generation because I came up in a very, how well, I'm 48.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Are you around my age? 49. Okay. You're great for your age. No, I'm actually 48. See, we ought to say, man. You're talking about you older than me. I just turned 36.
Starting point is 01:05:46 So shout out to y'all being older than me. I feel less older. Sagittarius? I felt old until you guys said you guys in age. I'm vintage. I'm not old at all. I feel young. See, I'm a nigga who, I'm a person who didn't go to college,
Starting point is 01:06:02 and I was just fucking around and working regular jobs at first until I broke out of that. I had to break out of, like, whole see but like I had to like help my mom pay bills and shit like that and I wasn't you know out on the streets doing no crazy shit so I had to go get a regular job and like pay bills and help my mom whatever but now I'm breaking out of that and I'm doing shit like this with him and I make music and shit but like that's only been for like the past what since 2015 but also think about if you when you started you know doing content or making music I was I was doing that
Starting point is 01:06:33 when I was 16 70 right like starting young like me but all you Also, if you do that for a year and then you get fed up and you don't keep going, then it's like, bro, you have to accept when you get into creative shit that you're going to be working for years and years and years with almost no return. Even if I'm thinking like if I was trying to do this shit at 16, 17, I wouldn't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I would look like an idiot. And because of the internet lives forever, I would have said some stupid shit, gone canceled.
Starting point is 01:06:57 That's not true. The internet lives. Because of the internet, people's memory are short. So one day you're a villain, the next day you're nice. And also, you know what you're doing right now? What were you going to stop that? Let me just say this. that's what stops dreams is fear. You just thought of every reason not to do it,
Starting point is 01:07:11 and they don't make sense. No, no, no, no. I'm glad I did start it earlier. I'm glad I'm not. But what I'm saying is, like, if someone was to say, well, if I started younger, I did this, that, and the third, that's fear.
Starting point is 01:07:22 That's what stops you. Fear is what has to not, fear is implemented to control us. It's the dream killer. That's why they give us things to be scared about. Like the day you're born, they make you scared about dying.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Why? If everybody dies, they should embrace it. Why do they make it fear? The whole world is controlled by fear of something. Fear of being laughed at. Fear of getting fired. Fear of fucking your credit up.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Fear, fear, fear. If I do this, maybe that will happen. No fear. You can't get shit scared. Because if you're scared, that means you lost. If I get in a ring thinking I'm a lose a fight, I lost. If I'm not prepared, I could lose, but I'm not getting that ring until I'm prepared. And he's right about this, because the point I was going to make about, I know it's not
Starting point is 01:08:02 where I said my generation might be able to change it is because I did come up in an extremely traditional way, I think probably different than how anybody else up here came up. So, I mean, I went through UCLA, four years. I went to law school. I was a partner at a big law firm. I ran M&A for 20 years there. Then I came out. I was the CEO of two companies, right? Now I sit on corporate boards for a living. I live in extremely structured and traditional life, right up until about the last couple of years where I've been able to break out and do other things that. Now you're in. With all that tradition. Now I see. What company you own? What million dollar company? Right. I own the company.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Now imagine that right now. My career. Imagine what you're doing right now you was doing while you were doing all that school, all that CEO of other people right now, you'd be in control. And I'm here to testify about that for real because if I would have had the perspective I've got now at 48 where I'm not scared of anything, I don't scare not for nothing at this point. You can't put shit in my face. And I wasn't.
Starting point is 01:08:58 I was scared because I grew up very poor and I was very scared of continuing to be poor like that. And although I had a lot of love in the house, I didn't want to struggle the way that we I had struggle when I was coming up, and it was that fear that made me take a traditional path, because I could see. That's what made me take an untraditional path. So it motivated us differently, right? And I don't regret. Nothing's guaranteed.
Starting point is 01:09:16 I don't regret that it's guaranteed me going to die. I'm just telling you that you can take a totally non-traditional path and come out very successful much earlier than it took me decades to build into the generational wealth that I've now created for my people and my family after me. I could have easily done it in my 20s if I had not been scared. So I take that point very much to heart. But I can only tell you that looking back in perspective. So I definitely feel like people in my generation could very much influence younger people by just giving them that message.
Starting point is 01:09:46 So real quick, I have to cut you up. No, no, go ahead. You got to jump me today, right? And I wonder, wherever, come on up here because you said you wanted to come up, right? Laura. Oh, no, no, no, no, where does she go? Oh, Laura, come on. Laura comes in a woman.
Starting point is 01:09:59 Laura, she's what you're talking about, Maideny. Laura? Where did that? The camera virginity right here. That would be amazing. Where she go? Laura. Laura, come on.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Hey, can I just say, I want to say, if I was like 1920 coming up in the game right now, I would be trying to build my own thing, but also like be a part of the corporate machine too. Like I'd be trying to intern out a label or whatever. And then also build my own. Yeah, because I would. That's interesting. Because how are you going to make all those connections and really meet people in a position like that? See, I didn't think like that.
Starting point is 01:10:26 I just said my work is good. I didn't think like that either. But in retrospect, I think being able to jug the system and create your own shit at the same time is where it's really at. Because if you're able to like go be a fucking intern at Def Jam or some shit so you can meet everybody and stuff, but then at the same time build your own company off of the back of the relationships you make. But you don't need to meet any one of those people. If you're coming from nothing, if you're in your position or my position, nah. But if you really don't have shit going on and you don't know anybody,
Starting point is 01:10:51 you got to find a way to like be useful to people. Like a 16 year old artist didn't know anybody. And little pump ain't know nobody. He's fucking a kid, 15. When you hot, they come into you. Period. That's it. The only reason why you got to smooth is if you're losing.
Starting point is 01:11:06 But if you really hot like that is one thing, if you're just a person who wants to work in the industry and you have to prove your value, it is what it is. That's my point. You don't approach it like that. You approach it like I'm going in there hot. I'm going there making you money. It's a fucking honor for you to be with me.
Starting point is 01:11:21 You understand what I'm saying? You have to change the narrative. So when I got in the music business, after being in insane, these fucking nerds are going to tell me what's hot. Fuck them. I'm doing it myself. And when we got hot,
Starting point is 01:11:31 every single person that said no said yes and that's what happened and that what taught me fuck being nice be honest fuck schmoozing and everyone that's in the same place they were for 20 years you definitely don't need to know them but if you're some kid just trying to get a job and you don't have reasonable
Starting point is 01:11:46 doubt in the tuck just ready to go yeah but y'all had y'all had a lot of special shit going on at a time where there was not a lot of shit they had a brain a fucking person that knew to fucking make merch to tour and to fight for what you believe did it not to accept no bullshit.
Starting point is 01:12:03 That's what happened. I just think these days... The thing is you're saying, and you're right, a lot of people don't know this. I'm not judging them, but it's nothing stopping them from doing it. Period. Everyone has it in here.
Starting point is 01:12:15 They just got to let it out. I'm just saying one of the best ways to do it. One of the best ways to do it is to get on the inside of the machine. That machine will fuck you over. Everyone I see... Inside the machine, but do not become one with the machine. Wait, wait, let me just say that.
Starting point is 01:12:27 The people that I know that got in the machine got sucked into it. They did 25 years. later, just jump here with the same tight-ass clothes. And it looks crazy. How you got the same job for 25 years? Oh, you started out an intern, and now you're the president 25 years later, but you don't own shit. But don't you know.
Starting point is 01:12:43 You still got to kiss somebody's ass. You know plenty of people, too, that started out in the machine and then broke out of it and are rich as fuck, powerful as fuck, because they started in there and then broke out of it. No, I don't. I know when I talked to L.A. Reed, he'd be like, yo, man, I wish I could do something else. But all I know is music. He's stuck in that shit. But don't you think he owns his own shit, at least part of it?
Starting point is 01:13:01 Bro, me, I used to have these arguments with L.A. Reed back then, like, my nigga, what are you doing? Why you got a job? Let's click up and do this shit ourselves. All those dudes, they be like, yo, I don't know. Like, you got to think, a lot of them, before these fucking, you know, gongchos or these American idols, these fucking executives couldn't get in the club. Yeah. They couldn't, no one knows who they are. Yeah. They have no swag. They're stuck. The only power they have is in those buildings. And I don't want someone to go in there thinking that someone's more. powerful than they are, but they just a big fish and a little pawn. Everyone that works in the music business is just a figurehead. None of them are doing business.
Starting point is 01:13:39 They don't do any P&Ls. They don't do any projections. They don't do shit. That's why I couldn't be in that world. I'm like, all these people got titles, and they are not doing shit that a real business does. They would always figureheads and then people behind them doing it. So when they would say somebody black was the president, another guy named Steve that was white with gray hair was really the president.
Starting point is 01:14:01 because you can't run, you can't be like, it's just like BET. BET is not owned by black people, but they can't do a black network unless they say it's black. So sometimes they hire people just to say, I can only get black people if I have from behind some black people. And then you don't know who it is. And that person is just a fucking puppet. Like, you know, I don't even want to start calling out names, but, you know, I don't even feel like doing that today. Can I throw out one last final topic? And this might be a dud because there's a good chance that nobody's seen it.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Anybody watch Rhythm and Flow? I watched a few episodes. God damn it. I watched this whole damn thing, and I got nobody to talk about it with. What did you feel about it? I mean, there's a lot of fucking talent, for sure. Like, a lot of really, really good people.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I'm not sure. It's the one that, uh, chance of rapper T.I. And it's like an American Idol type thing. I mean, they found a lot of really. I mean, I've seen a lot of people that are like super talented, but it's kind of like disconnected from how the music world really works now because all these dudes are like rapper rappers. Most of the big
Starting point is 01:15:05 like rap stars of the past however many years are they're more melodic, they're more like you know Tyler Drake yeah it's like when you look at like an oozy or a cardi all these rappers who did this shit. It's a different career though so when it's a pop career then one is just
Starting point is 01:15:21 you're on the road and you're performing because you have a direct relationship and they like to see you perform but I mean and at times that's a more sustainable career but when you're going in there and you have to impress Chancellor rapper and he's making no he's not changing he's not trying to hide the fact at all that he fucks with religious
Starting point is 01:15:37 shit and like super lyrical shit and he does not fuck with anything else what I thought was really interesting is the shit that you don't see on that show almost nobody raps about guns gangs drugs the whole time it's almost like they told motherfuckers not to it's like they rap
Starting point is 01:15:53 about being good at rapping a lot they rap about you know this it's a lot of like it's a lot if you're really into like real rap you definitely will find a lot of shit that you fuck conversation just told me you really love rap. I do. Like you watch it on TV. Like, I don't do that.
Starting point is 01:16:08 I would never turn the rhythm and flow. I just, I had to see it, bro. Chance, Cardi, and T.I. hosting that shit, bro. Look, he's excited. He loved it. You know, there's just such big stars in the game. I want to see what they're doing, bro.
Starting point is 01:16:21 He really love it. He loves hip-hop and rap culture. Why don't you make a record? How do you keep up with a show? Adam wants to make a record. There is so much content. I think Adam wants to rap. No.
Starting point is 01:16:30 Actually does. He's shy. When you find time in your day to keep... Oh, he made a record? Adam, you made a record? No, no, no. Did you make a record? I did not.
Starting point is 01:16:37 I did. It's scraped off the internet, but I've seen it. What do you mean? It's scraped off the internet. It was on the internet floor? Where's the receipts? Where's the receipts? I didn't see a receipts.
Starting point is 01:16:47 He freestyles any chance he can get. I know he's a rapper. Just know it was kind of fire. I'm not even going on. I may ask you questions. You have a book of rhymes? No. He freestylesles off the dome.
Starting point is 01:16:56 He don't write shit. Look, look. I might have recorded a rap at one point, and let me just say, cocaine. So much cocaine. But you were rapping. I wrote that one night.
Starting point is 01:17:09 Don't blame it on the cocaine. So much coke that I couldn't even wrap it. I had to punch in. And he fucked it all up, so it's super offbeat, man. I'm so glad that nobody got this. I wouldn't really care that. I had it on my old iPhone 5 or some shit,
Starting point is 01:17:21 and I had like a video. You should make a record. Just try it. Just try it, man. Just do it, man. You're rock star. No, no one knows. Just go ahead, just getting that.
Starting point is 01:17:30 We can do it right here. I can record it right now. He's so bad. I even brought it up. He wants to make a record. Nobody got it, I'm like, whatever. He wants to make a record. You go a studio in here?
Starting point is 01:17:38 This is a studio. No, but like, uh. Like, yes, we record. I don't do intro. We record. This mic right here. There's pro tools. I did an intro on a YNW.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Melly song and a X song and neither came out. And I actually demanded that both of them not come out. No, the X song could have came out. But the Melly one, I was like, no, take me out of that song. Did you just? Just do an intro? Because I was drunk as fuck and I was talking about how we had bitches and guns.
Starting point is 01:18:02 So how about this? I think this is great. I'll make a rock record and you make a rap record. I'll wash you. Because I can start playing my rock right now. The fact that there's no rap is a thing that I'm holding on to.
Starting point is 01:18:19 Very, very dearly. You know, I'm not giving that up easy. I already did two shows. I don't understand why you want to deny it so bad. See me? I made a rock record. and rock album because I felt like it because I don't give a fuck. Now go make a
Starting point is 01:18:32 rap record because you feel like it. But back to Rhythm and Flo, I want you all to check out D Smoke, bro. This motherfucker is speaking Spanish on every song. He's playing the piano. He's playing the guitar. He's fucking this dude is crazy talented. The guy who won. That's the guy who won, right? Yeah, but you know what's kind of crazy about it? Spoiler alert. No, no, but everybody
Starting point is 01:18:48 knows who won. This is him? This is you? Right? I'm going to rock a whole one. Hey, Damon Adams show. Episode number Three, two, two. One. Appreciate y'all.
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