No Jumper - Dave Blunts on His Label Dropping Him, Kanye West, AB & Deen Bullying Him & More

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

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So you guys upgraded the memorabilia since I've been here. What do we get? We got the Mitchie Slick record. Got some hot sauce. Somebody gave me. We got Draco and Swade and then Burner's Book. We got a black cop named Jamal. Okay.

I named him that. A lot of people think that's racist. We got my wife's flashlight. Some derkyos. It actually kind of looks like Remo. The color. My watch flashlight? No, no, not the flashlight, yeah.

Jamal, man, yeah. They were saying Officer Remo, man. Yeah, so is that why y'all got it, Officer Remo? Or did it just so happen to be, like, a coincidence? I was on vacation in a gift shop, and I just saw a black cop puppet staring back at me. And I was like, that is the funniest shit I ever seen. Like, this cute little black cop puppet. Like, I need that in my life.

and then here we are ladies and gentlemen coolest podcast in the world today we've got Dave Blunts back in the building along with my guy Remo how you living Dave? Oh living pretty good man

just been uh been working a lot yeah yeah because for a while there you were dropping projects at a outlandish rate and then you've kind of backed off a little bit um

yeah that's like not by like my design but oh really yeah yeah I mean if it was up to me I would be still dropping at the outlandish rate you're saying but yeah that wasn't really my decision so what the label decided they wanted to throttle your growth or your your releases at least yeah you know my music is very controversial so you know I just kind of I guess I made the wrong people mad and they kind of just were like I didn't really want to release a whole lot. So I kind of, you know, these past few releases that I've had kind of been spread out.

It's me having a fight to get those songs out. So you offended people within your label? Yeah. Do you, what was the lyric that did it? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It was just kind of like, I think it was like over time, you know? You dis Israel?

Are they Jewish? No. That just, that stands out to me like, uh, no, I don't think it was that, but, um. Are they gay? because definitely you know let me drop my music that's pretty

gay yeah it was either one of those no I don't know I don't know exactly what it was but I do know it was like things over time to kind of

where it was like yeah they just you know I was kind of confused still am confused because you know that was the whole reason that they wanted to work with me

you know was because you were dropping a lot yeah you know dropping a lot and the music has always been controversial it didn't always saying vulgar stuff

you know what I'm saying so it's just kind of just been me behind the scenes, you know, trying to fight to get the music out, you know, editing down, you know, they're like, oh, we don't like this word. All right, well, how about this word? And then now we don't like that.

Okay, how about this word, you know? So they tried to get you to stop saying the F slur? Um, they didn't say anything specifically. That's the thing. They were very vague with it. Yeah. They were just like too vulgar. I'm like, okay, how about now?

Ah, you can do better. And then, yeah. That's kind of crazy to hear you say because, like, we've been hearing your music from the beginning of the time. Yeah. Like say the most craziest things that you can say. So then all of a sudden is like, why is there being a filter place on dead ones? I kind of got disrespectful too with some people at the label.

Oh, that makes sense. It was just like, you guys are fucking stupid. And then so, yeah, I may have been a few disrespectful things. May have said a few people. I shouldn't have said those people too. But not in the music, just to them? Yeah, to them. Yeah, to them.

Out of frustration, really. But I'm not under that label anymore. so oh um because you was with Connor right I believe something like that something like that yeah what labels that I forget I forget the name of I just know shout out to Connor I man a couple times I forget what the name of what was the name of the label listen to the kids listen to the kids yeah so do you now are looking for a new label situation yeah yeah yes sir I'm like in negotiations with a whole lot a bunch of them to be honest okay and is that going to be kind of like a stipulation for you like hey i want to

drop as much as i feel like dropping yeah just want to be able to say what i want to say you know what i'm saying um my music is never to like offend anybody or anything it's really just how i feel at that moment you know sometimes i'll be mad and so awesome when you're mad you say shit you probably shouldn't say you know if you're in traffic and let's say shit an indian dude cuts you off, you know, you're going to be, bro, this fucking this shit flinger, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You're gonna, you're mad at the moment. But I fight

against that. A lot of people do. I try to, but a lot of times I have a problem doing that. Or I'll state it, like, real matter of fact, me and my wife are driving and I get an Asian woman, I'll say Asian woman. And she knows what it means,

but I don't even know, like, what I would say. Like, I don't have like Asian slurs on deck. I guess I know them, but I don't like have them available readily. But because I mean, okay, I'm not going to lie though. Like, do you think that there's value in you taking time between releases, you know, because sometimes you might, you know, kind of be flooding the audience with too much? But then on the other hand, sometimes that might be the thing that really endears the audience. That's true.

I agree. there should be time, but too much time is a problem. That's kind of what it was for me. It was too much time. And it's like, you know, people hitting me up. Like, yo, why aren't you dropping, bro? You're being lazy. I'm in the studio every night until six in the morning, you know, always just recording. So it's not

a lazy thing. I literally can't drop music. You know what I'm saying? And I refuse to... After I remember I told you, at a certain point, I was like editing songs. At a certain point, I'm like, I'm not doing that shit. Like, you guys either accept it or you don't. Because, like, Like I'm watering down the music and it's not sounding how I like

and how I know that the people want to hear it. You know, so I just stopped doing that at a certain point. I'm, man, this shit. Like, if you guys don't want it, then I'm just going to keep on making it, keep on fighting, you know, doing what I can to get the songs out. But it was the last song that I dropped, Unnecessary that finally, you know,

kind of let them, made them just decide, To part ways with me finally after one to do it for a long time. Was there a particular lyric on it or something? Yeah, man, that song is pretty, pretty vulgar, but it's fire. And they had a problem with the video. And the video was people trying to kill me and I ended up killing them. So they had a problem with the shooting. Oh, so it's the one with the A, B, and D, imposter?

No, no. That's the one before that. Oh, okay. Damn. So they finally decided you were just more trouble than you were. worth i guess finally you know my lawyer was like okay well if you guys don't really want to continue doing work with them you should just let them go and then they're like no we're not going to do that and then just me continuing to be myself they're like okay we'll we'll let you go

yeah so hell yeah but you're hyped oh yeah for sure yeah for sure i have so much shit like that i've been plotting and planning that i can finally uh you know release and start doing now that I'm away from them. But you think that a label is the right move that being fully independent's not necessarily it for you? Who knows? I don't know. I mean, shit. And at the end of the day, I just rap. I don't know that shit. But I do have like some intuition and shit like that and people, you know,

to help guide me. But at the end of the day, I don't know, which is why I'm still in negotiations. I haven't really made a decision yet, but still excited. In this day and age, how often do you think artists should be dropping music? It just depends. It really depends on the artist for real. You know, like there's certain artists that can wait a while before it dropping, and then there's certain artists that kind of make, you know,

microwaveable music that they can just keep dropping and people want the next one. So how, so specifically for your fan base, like if you had it your way, how often would you be dropping? I'd probably drop every year. like two to three months something like that, a project two to three months. You know, just even, you know, dropping songs in between there. I really don't know, to be honest.

But I do know I want to be more consistent and I have the music ready to go. Have you like intentionally kind of falling back out of the public eye in recent memory? Because it felt like for a while there you were like inescapable. And then last, I don't know, six months or something like that. it feels like you maybe haven't been out there as much? Yeah, I definitely did for sure.

I had like, you know, a lot of people around me who probably shouldn't have been around me. So I've had to like get rid of a lot of people on my team. Really just been, you know, like I said, fighting to get the music out. And really there was a lot of things like, a lot of headlines that I wasn't really too appreciative of. So I'm like, all right, let me just kind of chill, you know.

I've been dating the same girl for about a year now. So, you know, my relationship is a big focus of mine and, you know, really my health as well. Interesting. Okay. So, I mean, it feels like when you popped out recently and did that stream with AB and Dean that you did not appreciate how it went. Um, I mean, look, that shit was, uh, I didn't really mind it too. much i mean that shit was like i feel like they just kept going like i didn't they invited me there just to like make fun of me i didn't know that that was like what was going to happen so i didn't

necessarily appreciate that but i mean shit they got their content out of it i made a song got my content out of it world champ and uh you know so shit no no no no big deal here yeah i mean it it's like they kind of if it felt like the vii was that they were determined to push until you got pissed off enough that you walked out or something. They weren't going to let it just be something where you like kind of went along with the joke or it was just some chill shit. Like they wanted the crash out, which is, you know, you kind of expect that from streamers at this point. That that's just what they do. Yeah.

But yeah, you definitely are a dude who is not going to just let somebody, let everybody like talk to him a certain way. No It gets to a certain point You know what I'm saying I've been That's really like you know When you were saying That I kind of stepped away

That's kind of what I've been Was working on at the time Like There was a lot of people Who were saying shit about me And at a certain point I was like responding to everybody And then I'm like

Some of these people Are like just doing this To get a response So let me just chill And not say anything But yeah I don't think I can do that that.

Did you notice how much, because I watched the AB stream or I watched a lot of clips of it, but I guess a lot of people felt like they were bullying you. In that moment, did it feel like you were bullying or y'all just were cutting, like, cutting jokes? In the moment, I felt like, like, he had pointed out that I kind of had been stepping away from, like, the public eye. So, like, my managers was like, oh, well, you should, you should do something. You should do this. Like, go and go and do it.

And I'm like, all right, nigg, I was at the crib playing Fortnite. and my boxers and shit like all right i guess i'll go you know took a shower went there and i didn't really know what to expect i didn't see their content before yeah i've seen a few clips but i don't be on the internet all day and shit so um and i got there and it was happening i'm okay that's pretty funny okay damn these things are still going okay they're still going damn still going okay all right yep one more joke okay they're still going so that's just kind of what it was It was just, it felt like I was at work. You know what I'm saying?

That's my work. Like, this is what I got to do for work. Everybody's telling me to just go along with the jokes, be a good sport. You know what I'm saying? Go go out there, get back out there again. Yeah. And just go along with the jokes. Don't, don't do anything too crazy.

Don't overreact. I'm like, all right, I'm not. And I wish I did because it looked like I was just a bitch in the moment. But I was just listening to what, you know, my team was telling me to do when everybody was like, you know, react, don't. do anything too crazy just be a good sport see i took it as you just being a good sport because you're usually like cracking jokes and all that shit back yeah so in the moment you kind of were getting upset with some of the shit they were saying like it was just it wasn't upset it was more annoyed

like damn nigga i might like dude can we say something like you know what i'm saying can we get on joke about something else or even any other topic there was no other topics yeah so yeah it was just more annoyed not really upset so then how long did it take for you to write and record and drop the music video to World Champ, which is the A, B, and Dean Dis. I think I went home and then it was once I've seen everybody's reaction online, I think the next day I went to the studio after like a day and a half later. And you like actually hired like actors to sort of act as them for the video and everything. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty good.

That was like the longest video I've seen in a long time. It was like 12 minutes. I was like that damn near 13 minutes. Yeah, it was skits and shit. It was pretty good. I was just thinking I was like, oh, yeah,

Dean and A, we don't know who to fuck they fucking away because it's not going to let it go. Yeah. That was a, like a,

like a, like a 12-hour shoot for that video. It was pretty lit. Yeah, I mean, in that situation, was it,

was, did it feel different because these dudes are like really, really good boxers and that realistically, no, that's what people were like,

yo, you're scared. I'm not scared of shit. You know, I'm saying like, come on, bro, y'all know who I've said things to before. You really think I'm scared to A, B, and Dane? Like, come on, man, I'll beef with niggas who have bodies. What are we talking about?

Yeah. But, I mean, they are pretty tough, like, fight-wise, you know? That doesn't matter to me, nigga. I live in Los Angeles by myself. Me. What do we talk? I don't go nowhere with no security or anything like that. Like, not saying that I'm a tough guy, but I'm not going to live my life in fear.

Like, I don't have no friends or family out here. It's just me. So, yeah, I'm not scared of nobody, which is why when, you know, Ty Dollar Sonnet called me to pull up to the studio because they were there, I went by myself, me. So. So Ty is the one who initially helped set the dean and AB stream up? Like when I went there a second time to perform the song in front of them. You know, because people's like, you're not going to, you would never say those things to them. I said those things.

I told AB he doesn't take care of his kids. He's around Dean more than his own children What else? I called them both bitches to their faces And yeah, so Do you feel like they tuck their tails in that situation or do you feel like they stood on business? I don't know what I don't know I don't know I don't know how to answer that to be honest all I do is I went there and said what I needed to say and I went back home Nick yeah I felt like they were good sports about it like because they're kind of helping you promote the song too right or or

Yeah, wrapping along with it in the shit. Yeah, at the end of day, it's all content. Yeah. We're all content creators. Nobody's going to punch anybody. Nobody's, that's what I'm saying. Like, this is all content. These aren't, when I'm in these, these aren't like hostile environments.

You know what I'm saying? I have a black girlfriend. I know what a hostile environment is. No, I'm fucking around. But, um, she's me, near? No, we're, we're nice to with you. All right. So, yeah, let's get into your relationship.

Because every time I think every interview I've done with you, you've always been in a new relationship. But this is seen. girl that you've been with is the most love and love you've been. I was kind of feeling the Palestinian girl last time. I think, yeah, that was on the last one. But, all right, so where did you meet her? How did the relationship start?

And, like, it seems like y'all are serious because she got posted more than any chick you've ever been with. Facts. Yeah, that is facts. Okay, I'm glad that you pointed that out. Snowbunies never, Black Queens forever. Indeed, yeah. We had known each other for a few years.

Like, we were kind of just, we were, we were friends for, you know, for a few years, never really nothing. So we met on Fortnite. Word. We met playing the game. Like, when, what year is this? Like, 2021. Maybe 2020.

So you fell in love with her voice before her? We weren't, we weren't, it was nothing like, it was nothing like that. We talked shit to each other. Okay. She was trash at the game, so I, I called it. Like, that's how we met as a random, like random teammates. she didn't get my reboot card and died and I was like bro you suck like your trash and she unmuted her mic it was like yo like let's keep playing you talk shit I like to talk

shit and so yeah nigga over the years we just talk shit to each other on the game and then you know slowly but surely we'd say something nice about each other and then um yeah just kind of kind of from there is how we met damn so how did you end up like meeting in real life or like I guess you probably sent pitches back and forth or nah so she kept on hitting me up to play the game but at this point I stopped playing the game because the guy got real life responsibilities

now the only time I was playing the game I didn't really have shit else to do but like you know becoming an artist and shit I gotta do shit so just kept hitting me up to play the game like bro I don't play that shit and then you know finally I'm like all right I'll hop on the game this is after months

of asking me to play and then I played one game and I'm like I don't want to play this shit. So I'm like, hey, bro, like, if you want to talk to me, you don't have to use the game as an excuse. Like, just send me your number and then we could talk from there. And then I left and then shit, she sent me a number and then we just started talking from there. Damn. What's it like being with a black woman? Pretty good. This is my first one that I've ever dated. I was thinking that. I'm like, this might be the first one. Well, there's one that was mixed, but they don't really count.

Okay. But what's the difference in vibe? Like, what does shit? give you that all these other non-black queens understanding true love and patience patient with me and uh all my bullshit all my uh overreactions overthinking um shit like that you know it's just really true love and she stuck with me with some really dark times and really the realest person who i have on my team you know After kind of everybody kind of like abandoned me and, you know, I had to get rid of some people and shit. She was the one who stood the test of time.

When you say dark times because, I guess I met you 2024 and you've been out here last two years. So I guess these are times recently you've been going through dark times. Yes, sir. All right. Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? Yeah, yeah, I got you, Officer Remo. Oh, it's criminal.

Really, like I said, dealing with the label shit. I had to cancel my tour. That was a pretty dark time. All right, I got you. I was dating this girl at the time who was like, that shit was stupid. So, yeah, just that. Friends switching up.

All right, because I'm glad you said that. When I first met you, I believe you came to Melrose and you was with Jesse. Yeah. That was the white boy. Y'all. And I keep hearing you say that you got rid of a lot of people. Where's Jesse at now? You got still friends.

What's the current status with Jesse? The thing with Jesse, like ever since I've known him, he's kind of been like a drifter of sorts. He kind of, you know, kind of goes place to place. And you never like, we've been friends as we were 16. And sometimes, like, I'd go months or even like a year without seeing him. And then I just would randomly be at like a house party. And then I'd see somebody peeking their head out from the bedroom. Like, is that Jesse?

And then I'd go over to the room and he'd like, I'm like, where you been? He's like, man, I've just kind of been living here chilling. So, yeah, I mean, Jesse is, that's always going to be like my brother, you know, my friend, you know. But we're just on two different paths right now, you know. So, yeah. I mean, I feel like you're probably experiencing what a lot of people experience when they get famous or whatever where it's like you have your friends that you come in the game with but then at a certain point after the first like couple months or whatever it's like years go by of you grinding your

ass off trying to make it as a rapper and then they just kind of like drift away they want to do their own thing they don't necessarily want to be cooped up in the studio with you every day would you feel like it was that kind of thing yeah exactly exactly you know people nobody wants to be like um Nobody wants to be like the sidekick or anything like that, which I fully understand and I fully support. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to hinder anybody. I don't want to hold anybody back or anything like that. So, yeah.

Yeah, because it's like, and it's like if your career explodes to some insane degree, yeah, it's easy to just like, you know, want to be a part of that or whatever. But when you're kind of going through your own hard times or whatever, you feel like that just didn't end up sticking around like that. Like, do you look at Jesse as, like, disloyal? Is he not really your boy anymore? Or is it still cool? That's still, that's still a very good friend of mine, like, almost like a brother to me. And, yeah, I appreciate him for everything. He did a lot to help me, like a lot.

So I appreciate him. Okay. But you got, like, a new manager and shit like that other now? Well, Jesse was ever my manager. No, but, I mean, like, is that another person that you replaced? Yeah, at one point, because I know you fuck with Jay, but there was somebody. else involved at one point too yeah I don't think he's still there is he yeah what I don't know man I mean I think no I don't know I don't think he is no I don't know I don't know

because like when it comes to management it's kind of like management is kind of different when it comes to friends because that's like business so if there's somebody else who can do something business wise it's like all right we're not necessarily going to stop working with each other but I'm also going to work with this person and whatever they have strengths in Yeah. They can fulfill whatever you have strengths in, you can fulfill. So that's kind of something that I learned from when I was working with Kanye, he was saying like, you don't really need managers, you need producers. You need people who can do the things.

You know what I'm saying? Like if you need somebody to go get, you know, three shirts, okay? Have them go get those three shirts, pay them for their services, and then shit. somebody who can go get I don't know like a car for a music video you know something like that so that's how I am with like management

I mean we yeah because I feel like there's different types of people like the reason why I never had a manager is because I feel like I'm the manager like I would be the one sort of managing people not me fucking having some guy telling me

what to do I got a manager is an easier thing when it's like a model and it makes sense for a rapper a lot of rappers like don't really have any business sense. They're not trained in that way. They're just good artists or whatever. Or like there's some model. She's hot.

She doesn't know shit about anything. So she needs a manager to like tell her what to do. Like tell her where to go. Tell her what to wear. Everything. You know, and it's kind of like I guess maybe you're just the kind of dude who doesn't necessarily need that. Do you know what you want to do every day in terms of your career to the point where you don't need somebody to tell you what to do?

No, I do know what I want to do. But I'm not the type of person to be like, everybody can have good ideas you know what I'm saying but the thing that I have an issue with is I don't like when people come to me with problems come to me with a solution you know what I'm saying so let's say there's a problem like oh we weren't able to get this car for the music video okay niggit what's the solution to that problem you see what I'm saying come to me to be like we weren't able to get this car but I was able to get that one you know what I'm saying or I don't like when people come to me with a problem that I solve in two seconds.

Because it's like it took me two seconds to do this. How come you can do that? Right. So. Yeah, you can never take your eyes off the ball completely, even when you have like a team, you know? Greg down, you and Kanye, how you got a relationship even formed in the first place? Yeah, so, you know, I was working on, since last year I was working on my album. It's kind of like on the tail end of it.

And then somebody had reached out and said that he wanted to work with me. You know, I go to his warehouse and then, you know, he starts, he's like, play me your album. I play it to him. And he loves it, plays it back like three, four times. he's like, I want you to make me an album just like that. And I'm like, okay, in what way? Well, he's like, you know, you're very, you get very deep and personal with the storytelling. So I guess we're, you know, and the way that we were working was, you know, we would link up and he'd tell me stories for hours or call me on the phone and for hours and tell me stories and I'd make songs based on the stories that he was telling me.

You'd make the songs in front of him or you would just go and like make songs and use. go and make songs and then I'd show it to him and was he geeked about it loved every single one that I sent him yeah really yeah how many did he end up using um I know there's like uh I don't know I think he scrapped most of it because a lot of it leaked but there's some songs that he that he used I think on the bully album I don't know I didn't listen to it but there's a few things and I'll see clips I'm like oh I did that but so you're getting paid off of this next question what you're suing you can't speak on it next question that's that's a good question because I wonder like how does the conversation

the conversation with conne go when it comes to business and shit because a lot of people work for conier and I've never heard like people have complaints with money with conier but yeah that I don't know that's interesting so basically I don't have a complaint with money yeah yeah so wasn't so basically he's just more so like yo I'll fuck with you your sound come cook up for me, and that was majority of which our relationship was. We were pretty close because we talked every day, several hours throughout the day and stuff. And how long was this period of time? Man, maybe from like April to, like, September.

Mm, damn. Was he, like, telling you things that were blowing your fucking mind, like, over and over? Yeah, yeah. Like, just things that normal people wouldn't share? Well, no, because I'm not somebody who's, like, surprised. I've been through a lot of crazy shit in my life. So it takes a lot to surprise me. The things he were telling me was like, hmm, that's interesting.

But other people would probably think they're crazy. Just me, like, I'm kind of desensitized to crazy shit, to me honest. Well, the stuff about giving his cousin top was definitely the most notable one that made its way to the surface. So you just, he tells you that, and then you just go write a song and just talk about it in the song. No, it took a while for me to do that. He told me that in person with, damn. Yeah, like, so crazy. I didn't even laugh about that, but he told me that in person.

And I just remember my reaction. I was just like, and he was playing, that's just stupid. He was playing The Last of Us. And, yeah, I just, he told me that. And then. Wait, like the PS5 game? Like, he's playing the Last of Us? Yeah, he's playing a lot.

That's a game that he enjoyed playing a lot. Word. So he's just playing The Last of Us and he's like, yo, by the way, I did this with my cousin. He was telling us stories, like story. And then that was just one of the stories that came up. I can't really remember the exact context. But when he told me that, I'm like, so you want to make a song about that? He's like, no.

I'm like, okay, cool. And then later on he comes to tell me that he wants to make a song about it. And I'm like, keep pushing it off. I keep sending him other songs. And, you know, finally he calls him, he's like, I really need that cousin's song. Now I'm like, all right. That's crazy.

All right. You're insistent about it. You pushing it off. Were you thinking for Kanye? Like, yo, I know this is hip hop. I don't want to put that type of shit out there for you because I know people might be judgmental about it or you just. I just didn't want to do it.

There was no like thought about like, oh, this is for the the greater good of hip hop on some fucking shit or anything like that. I just didn't want to do it. You're just grossed out by the idea of, like, I'm not grossed out. I'm not grossed out. I mean, shit, nigger, that's what you didn't use a kid? I mean, shit, nigga, a lot of people get touched. I agree, but, like, at the same time, as a person who doesn't want to suck a dick

or has never sucked a dick, it's maybe a little weird to, like, write about sucking a dick. I mean, that's why I didn't do it, because I was like, I don't know if I want to do that, per se, but, I mean, shit, nigger, that's what he did. I don't, you know what I'm saying? That's what he did. I don't judge him for it. He was a kid. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. We all did shit as a kid. Some of us got touched, you know. Some niggas went to Boy Scout camp and shit. Didn't come back the same way. But was he, like, acknowledging how crazy it is for him to admit that? Just because, like, nobody at his level has ever said anything like that in hip-hop history, you know? Well, that's why he's so great, isn't it?

Yeah. Because he was able to do that, and niggas didn't really give him if they didn't look at him differently. I mean, some people did. but ultimately, man, he's selling out shows. That shit didn't do nothing for it. No, it didn't. Negatively, you know what I'm saying? That's just like a small blip in his legacy.

If Drake said that he did that, we would never hear the end of it. Somehow Kanye is able to just exist kind of above it all, and he can get away with fucking anything. Yeah, shows his greatness. If Drake said he sucked the dick when he was a kid. Yeah, no, I would have been over with. Do you feel like he shared that stuff?

story with you first or like that was probably a story that he's been telling close people around him? I don't know. You can't tell? That one I don't know. Yeah. I had never heard anything about that. Yeah, never heard of it.

So when that came out, I was like, damn, him and Dave Blunts must be really close for him to like open up and be able to like speak to you about shit like that. But people always say that with Kanye, it's like you'll be really good friends with them or really close to them for a short period of time. But almost nobody is able to remain close with him long. term I think I could have if I wanted to what was it stressful at a certain point because he's obviously like operating on his own time a point in time to where I was working on my album and his album at the same time like my album was

damn near done but after you know I started working with him there was a song that mean him made that was supposed to go on the album that my label did not let me put on the album which I was pretty pissed about why because of everything that he was saying at the time. Oh. But it wasn't anything that he was saying on that song specifically. No, there was nothing bad on the song. They're just like, we don't want this thing.

And I fought, I fought so hard to get that shit on there. But the label just didn't want it. That's crazy because that would probably be like your biggest song or one of your biggest song. Like that would be such a big look for you as a rapper. And look how big he continues to be like, yeah, it would be a little controversial, I guess, but not really. Like, I don't think people were to really gave a fuck.

That's what I'm saying. And so, you know, that also goes in to show you some of the things I've been fighting for the past year. So, you know, so that I think at the time I had, I was on tour, I had to cancel my tour. But even while I was on tour, he was still having me send him songs. So I'm doing a show, getting done at the show at like maybe like midnight 1 a.m., going back on the tour bus, recording some songs for him, going back to the hotel. sleep for three hours then I got to wake up and do another show the next day while and then

in the middle of the night calling me hey can you do the song all right do the song and then can you just send you a beat and just want you to write no tell me a story and they tell me to make a song about it wow so that's why you know I brought my producers on tour with me so that way we're you know

ready to cook up any point and they were my friends at the time too so that's all I were there what was the hardest song challenge that he gave you you're like what the kind of song like because he's just throwing ideas at you like what was the craziest idea yet um maybe the cousin song that that took me that actually didn't take me a long time to make but took me like 20 minutes and when he told me that he like i need the cousin song i'm like all right my producers was asleep at the time so i just went on youtube found a beat you know

fucking and i was made it in my living room at like two in the morning jesse kept coming out of his room like what are you saying in here i'm like hey man i'm making greatness but but so he as one of the greatest producers in hip-hop history isn't sending you beats he's just having you get your own beats when he heard the album right heard my album he wanted me to make an album just like his so he had my producers come to work with him as well wow interesting So when does it start to fall apart? Me, I just kind of distanced myself. I just was like, I want to like pay my own legacy.

I don't want it to be, you know, to the time of me being in the game, I didn't have like nobody put me on just myself. And, you know, just to be my own man, you know what I'm saying? Just carve my own legacy. And, you know. Well, I mean, stuff like him calling you in the middle of the night to go record a song. I mean, that's the thing. that when I hear people talk about working with Kanye

that it always sounds like a nightmare is just that he's just doing whatever at any time and you don't really have any comfort of being on a schedule or anything. That's the thing like I wasn't doing shit anyway. You know what I'm saying? Like when I'm not making music or I kind of see music as my job, so when I'm not doing that shit,

I'm not going to interviews, I'll be chilling, playing the game, watching movies. So I'll be looking for shit to do. Yeah. So him calling me in the middle of the night, I'm like, hey, shit, it's better than what I was doing before, playing for a night, beating my shit, you know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, that was really, it was really cool to me. It just kind of got a little bit, just as I was already doing my own shit. That's the problem. It was like, I'm in the height of my career right now as well. I got to go do interviews and shows, and I got my album coming out. I'm also dealing with bitches at the time. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of shit going on.

He was getting too demanding. Like, y'all, I need this last second. You're like, what the fuck were? Not demanding. It wasn't demanding at all. Very respectable. He never disrespected me or anything like that. So I had a problem with my own, like, what is that, time management or handling everything?

Just like, it's difficult enough being a rapper. Exactly. It's a whole other thing when you got to, like, write for one of the best rappers of all time and then also be expected to go record your own music, especially you as somebody who's putting out so much music. Exactly. You know, so like a lot of other people, when they were, you know, working with him,

they were either, you know, like a situation to where they weren't like a big star or to where they were a big star, but it wasn't during their album rollout or shit like that. You know what I'm saying? My was deep in the middle of my fucking rollout and everything. So. But so do you tell him?

Like, I'm kind of. kind of over it. I don't really want to keep doing this. Yeah, I just, yeah, pretty, yeah, I did. I'm just like, I'm, I'm gonna go my own path, go my own way. You know what I'm saying? I definitely like, but at the time when I did that, could you said some stuff about on my IG too or something. Yeah, that, that I do regret. Yeah, what did you say again, just to refresh us? Some bullshit. But the thing is, and the things that I said, I was like really manic at the time. Like I said, I was going through a lot of shit.

Yeah. You know, a lot of people abandoning me and having to get rid of a lot of people. And, you know, just dealing with a lot of shit at the time, which is another reason why I took like a step away from, you know, everything. I kind of retroactively went back and viewed our relations, work relationship a certain way that I just kind of went out. there and just start saying shit without even really thinking and just being selfish and stupid um so yeah i i viewed it one way that it wasn't and so you're your content with what you were paid

um i there was never no there was never no discrepancy about payment or anything okay So that to me would probably Pretty good It's a good Tactics Well I mean I'm just trying to figure I see what he tried to do right then Okay but that's pretty good

I would assume that if I was a rapper It would be difficult To step away from that situation Just because the money would probably be pretty good I don't make my decisions Decisions on money I mean I mean for somebody who maybe wasn't talented

Or didn't believe in themselves Hell yeah Yo let's ride Kanye for the rest of our life We made it Many people do this. I know, not me. I got here because of me, not because anybody else. Me in my room singing into my microphone, I don't, I respect him, but I don't need him.

You know what I'm saying? I don't need him. So I was just like, I can just keep doing what I'm doing. And I'd rather have my own, at the end of the day, when I look back into the legacy of my music career, I don't want it to be, yeah, he started working with him at one point. And then he just kind of carried him. no I don't want to be carried I can't I'm too big to be carried so shit bars

yeah damn so you don't communicate at all anymore we haven't talked in a while no we still have like mutual people who we still have like mutual friends and shit so we'll talk through them you know he'll be like yo tell Dave I said I or how has he been and I'll do the same because I would assume that Tad Al-a-San relationship came from yeah no we we uh he had actually

hit me up before Ye did. Oh, right. Yeah. Do you ever do nitrous with Ye? No, I never did nitrous or ever seen him do it. Oh, okay. I guess he closed that door, I think. That was an older chapter. You went to war from at 50.

That was for you, though, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, shit, man. Yeah, y'all got a you and Dave. We got to get back together. We'll love to see I'll do some shit. Where, I forget, what was the... Oh, so you went at 50 because 50 made fun of Kanye because he said the thing about being a or giving head when he was a kid? No, I think

50 had seen Ye and his wife at the Diddy trial. Okay. And he was like, he said, I think 50 was like, yo, something about your dirty little wife or something like that. And, you know, me, I'm just like, well, you're calling his wife dirty. Your big mama got pissed on by didn't. You know what I'm saying? Like that just, that didn't make sense to me.

And maybe he had sex with academics. And maybe me. Right. TBD. Yeah. But yeah, so that's just something. Then once he came out and said something, then I was like, okay, well,

all these moments always happen when I'm just playing Fortnite too. Like I've seen the 50 thing. Yeah, what? He posted you, right? Like, pushing out some stairs or some shit? Yeah, yeah. Posted me like twice. And then, yeah, I'm like, oh, shit.

I was in the middle of a Fortnite game. And my phone started going, I'm like, what the fuck? Oh shit. Hey, I'm gonna hit you all later, bro. I gotta go to the studio. And I made that song. Usually niggas get scared to be for 50 cent.

Like 50 cent. Be killing niggins careers off. When you seen that, you instantly knew that you was like, oh, I'm gonna go to the studio's war is up. Yeah, I'm not. No hesitation. I'm not.

And I don't think that it's like I'm a tough person. A lot of times I don't think about the severity of my actions before I do them. I have like, impulse control problems. So sometimes I'll just do some shit. Then afterwards, I'll be like, I was tripping. Have people told you like 50's not a good person to beef with

because he could shut shit down for you in your career? They told me that, yeah. I think I told you even that. Like, everyone was like, when I seen that one, I was like, I don't know 50 cents is a problem. But then I think you went and did the diss song and then shot the music video. I was like, oh, yeah.

The video is pretty fucking fine. They've not backing down. You went to Snoop too. Yeah. but me is super cool oh okay yeah what was the thing that happened with you and snoop again it was uh

he posted him he posted you saying something about um I don't know he had just like was talking shit and then I was yeah I got he I said something and then he apologized

and then I was at Juicero Day and then I said him on the stage I shouldn't have said that because he had already apologized but I was just like kind of like in the moment I was really um and just like I seen all those people it was like 20,000 people and they were all cheering snoop dog and I was just it was more deeper than I was like

damn why would anybody ever try to like shit on what what I'm doing here you know what I'm saying? Yeah I don't shit on nobody that's what I'm saying all these all these things like I guess you can say I started the 50 cent thing but I was going to bat for my friend but like I don't start any of these things That's one thing I've seen. Someone tried to, I seen it was like a comment. It was like, yeah, once you fall out with Dave once,

he's going to drop a disc track on your ass. I don't ever start any of these things, though. Like, I don't start none of this shit. Shit, I'll finish it. How does it even feel that, like you said, you moved to L.A. in 2024? But we just named, like, three of the biggest artists of all time. Like, you just having, like, your name associated or just even being involved with them in this short period of time, like Snoop Dog, the Kanye,

West to 50 cent. Like, did you always know that you would be on this level of doing it how you're doing it right now? I definitely, you know, like I think I've said before that, you know, my mom had always told me that I was going to be the prodigal son to lead us out of poverty and that I was going to do great things in life. But, you know, I believed it, but I definitely got discouraged along the way. And, you know, now a lot of times I don't really have time to react to it when it's happening because I just got to I'm somebody who doesn't I don't react I act you know what I'm saying so like 50 cents shit okay go to the studio you know Kanye thing all right go work on the album I got to do it I don't really have time to react in the moment because I have to

do the thing so it'd be like months down the line or weeks I'm like damn that's shit crazy or when I'm explaining it to somebody else like yeah I did this shit and then I'm like damn I really did do that shit that shit crazy What do you feel like your biggest accomplishment like that you're proud of so far that you're like, damn, I'm really doing this shit? Anytime I'm able to just send money to my family, that's like my biggest accomplishment. I mean, the music shit's cool, but anytime that I'm able to help my family or my community out, you know, I've been able to help my community. I went back to my hometown and did like a giveaway there. And then like even now, like, I'll buy groceries for random families in my hometown.

So anytime I'm able to do things like that, that's like my big accomplishments. Fuck a song, nigga. Yeah, that's real. So have there been times where, like over the last year or so, where you've doubted your future as being able to make a living off of music? Yes, there have been times. And that's why I say like, you know, that's why I really appreciate my girlfriend because she, whenever there was times that I was doubtful about there,

or it wasn't even like that I was going to be able to make a living if I wanted to keep doing it. because I wasn't able to do the things that I wanted to do. And I'm going to type of thing, if I can't do it the way I want to do, I don't want to do it at all. So it was just times where I'm like, bro, I just want to quit this shit, go back home to Iowa, you know what I'm saying, and just, you know, be back with my family and shit, but, you know, it was my girl who pushed me to keep going.

And, yeah, it's just, it's things like that, that, But yeah, so yeah, I definitely did a question on if I was going to continue doing this shit or not. Got severely depressed and shit, and it was my girl that helped me get out of that. So you're out of that depression right now? Like, it's like it's go time again for you. Yeah, it's go time. You know what I'm saying? Now it's kind of like, you know, my mom always says when you're like a provider, like head of household or some shit, you get 20 minutes to fucking bitch and moan, cry.

Then after that you got to wipe your tears and get back to it, niggas. So yeah, I've had my 20 minutes. What's been the hardest part about being famous so far for you? People, seeing people say lies about me and me not really being able to defend myself. And whenever I do, niggas is just like, oh, he's being defensive. Oh, he's mad because he's this. He's mad because he's that. And it's like everybody gets to say whatever they want about me.

And I don't really get to defend myself without it. me seeming like I'm crying or something like that when it's like niggie you got to say what you want let me say what I want so ignoring motherfuckers online is kind of been the hardest part and then also dealing with like fake people yeah I mean that is kind of it stands out with you that like when I went to that uh that underground basketball game or whatever just like you are

outrageously fan Like when we were like kind of standing on some like bleachers or whatever so I've got like a good view of the whole basketball Court and the crowd and everything and Dave Bluntz comes up in that bitch and it's just like every single person is just like Like everybody's got to start filming everybody's looking at him everybody's taking pictures or whatever and I kind of realized in that moment like damn Dave is like stupidly famous out here like everywhere he goes it's a thing like does that get on your nerves? No, it doesn't, because this is shit that I, like, I've been wanting my whole life. You know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be on the fucking Disney channel and shit. My mom would take me to auditions.

And then when I was a teenager, this is like a very, like, pivotal moment for me in my life when I think back to it. I used to make, like, videos when I was a teenager, like, and like roasting people and shit. And it just kind of got famous, like, within my town. But I wouldn't really, I didn't really have a whole. whole lot of friends at this point. So it was just me in my room making videos. It didn't really go anywhere. Then I started hanging out with people and then people started recognizing me from the videos where I was from. So we went to this basketball, this football game. It's in another town. And when I went there, everybody was like, I'm 15 at the time.

Everybody's like surrounding me wanting to take pictures and shit. I just remember the feeling that I had at that moment. I'm like, damn, this shit's crazy. Like I want this to be forever. you know and like after that like I didn't really I didn't really have that for a whole lot so I was always chasing that feeling which is what made me like start doing drugs and shit because I was always trying to chase that feeling that I had at the football game when I was 15 speaking the drugs only last time you drunk some lean it's been about a year and a half so been about a year and a half been doing pretty good I see uh at one point it seemed like you were like every fucking other week you were like at the hospital.

Yeah, that shit's pretty crazy. But lately it seemed like you haven't really been at the hospital or at least you haven't been sharing with us. Yeah. Yeah. So what is it? You haven't been sharing with us or are you still at the hospital as often or? No, not really.

Not really. I've really been at the hospital too often. That's good. Been, you know, trying to focus on my health room. I see you hitting the stairs every day. And then you also making your fans. hold you accountable. Yeah, man.

I almost wish I didn't say that because they're sending me some crazy message. I've been seeing the messages. Like, yo, bro, get your... They're sending me some wild shit. I, you know, me, I'll be going on there saying jokes and then people take the shit seriously. They're like, you know, I think I said,

send me racial slurs, send me. And the other, so my DM is full of racial slurs. That's just pretty funny to me, though. You can't even tell which ones are sincere and which ones are just like obeying me. And they're also, like, messaging me at midnight. Like, yo, dude, it is a new day. get that

fucking workout video in now. Because what did you promise them a workout video every day? Every day, yeah, every day. Until tour? Yeah. And when does tour start? August 26th.

August 26. And what's the name of the tour? Still standing tour. Still standing tour. Yeah. And are you just, are you keeping up on the daily video thing?

Yeah, I mean, it's been about three days and I've done about three videos. So yeah. Okay. Two days, my bad, two days. That's an interesting. dynamic where you've got your fans like cheering you on yeah you know because um I you know just with my my music is very personal so you know these people are very

parissocial feel like they know me and shit so you know just continuing to be authentic with the audience and show them the you know the trials and tribulations that a nigga be going through and shit so hell yeah I'm excited for the journey I'm excited for tour I had to cancel the last tour That shit fucking suck Yeah, why did you have to cancel the last door I was in the hospital I was in the hospital at a certain point

I didn't know if I was going to be able to To cancel it to finish it or not And then they told me yeah You're gonna have to be in here for a while I'm like And they're like even after you shouldn't You're not You shouldn't do the tour

And I'm like rough So I had to can every show was sold out too Yeah Damn it's unfortunate But I'm you know I'm doing like a I think this tour is like a

months like a six city tour um just to jump back out there yeah just to make sure that i'm able so i'm gonna do this tour and then after i'm going to go on a bigger tour so the plan is just continuing working because there's a lot of places that you know want me like overseas motherfuckers in australia keep asking me to go over there and i know that's like a 17 hour flight so so nigger got to get his health right you know what i'm saying and even then they got like giant man eating spiders over there and shit so i don't know but so yeah that's the plan is to go on a bigger tour after this one. Where do you feel like your market of fans,

like your biggest market of fans? Like, where are your fans at, majority of them? Like, if you have it say, based on, like, the analytics and stuff. The analytics is like Chicago, L.A., New York. Yeah, I think those are the three. You've been in New York yet?

Yeah, I've been in New York. So you touched New York. I think you did Summer Smash or not summer. You did perform in Chicago before too, right? Yeah, that's just a real day. Oh, yeah, for sure. But, yeah, I think, like, as far as, like, race is, like, white to Mexicans. Those are the biggest people that listen to my music.

What do you think you need to do to bring in more brothers? I don't know. I mean, I'm appreciating for the fans I got. I'm not saying that I don't have black fans, but as far as the biggest, you know, it's whites and Mexicans. What about... The only one's that can afford tickets. I'm joking.

Yeah, but... Mexicans can't afford tickets. No, I'm joking. Yo, but so as far as your health journey and everything like that, where do you feel like you're at right now? Do you feel like you're in better health than in recent memory? Hell yeah. I feel like, uh, I'm actually trying.

I'm actually taking an effort to do it before, you know, before I would, I would try and then I'd get discouraged, you know? But now I'm actually trying. I'm staying encouraged. My girlfriend is a big help. She's there with me the entire time. You know, she's every time that I'm working out or going up the stairs. She's the one filming the video.

She's the one encouraging me, you know, to keep going. She encourages me to push myself, you know. So, yeah, I think we might go around and actually do something this time. Seemingly, everybody in Hollywood is on OZempic. Have you considered this medication? I'm sure your doctors have mentioned it. I've considered medications, yeah. But, you know, and not that I'm, like, closed off to doing it, but I just want to continue to, you know, even if I was on the medications, you still, it's still good to fucking exercise.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So. Well, what's your problem? You just, like, pig out time to time, just go crazy? I think my problem altogether Just beyond the the The weight thing is just being overindulgent You know what I'm saying? That comes with anything

I feel that Was it hard to let the lean go? Yeah, but it was definitely hard But ultimately that one was like Niggid you need to stop this now Because that was putting me in the hospital a lot too I have been I'll admit it I've been a Dave Bluntz

a lean truther in the past because I've like, you've been on here multiple times with a double cup that was empty and I've never seen you with pints and like all the lean heads that I know are always like pouring up and showing off their lien collection

and shit like that and I was just, it just didn't feel like it was real. Well, okay, I mean, at the end of the day, man, I'm from Iowa. I'm from a small town in Iowa. By these people you were talking to

are from, or they're from out here or Chicago or other places. I'm not, that's what I'm saying. I'm not like a, yeah, I was just. You're a low-key sipper? Yeah, I was just chilling for real. I've been at the studio and I've seen you actually pour up, it seems like. Oh, really?

You still go to that same studio? No. I don't want to. All right. This guy's a lean head. No, I'm not. Yes, he is. Half the time when we go on a trip, he's like meeting up with a lean guy.

He don't like if it's a rap. I'm snitching. Hey. nah so you know all right so one time you invited me to the studio and this is probably like a couple months ago maybe a year ago and i ain't gonna say where it was at but i'm pulling up to the studio and i'm seeing a whole bunch of glow gang shit so i'm like all right what the fuck yeah we talked about the last time right so yeah so you still that's where you recording that now like what's what's up with you and chef and everybody like could you keep saying like my producers that i was

working with are you not working with them anymore or what um no i don't really work with them anymore kind of everybody's on their own path hmm what was it yeah so uh so it seemed like you kind of fell out with a lot of people that you were kicking it with at first when you moved to LA yeah

pretty much you know people you know it comes to you know people make it seem like you know you'll go through a lot of shit with with certain people you know trials and tribulations and like shared trauma experiences and you know travel the world with niggas and can make great songs with people and then you know going through hard times just

shows people's true colors you know what i'm saying some people are just in it for for the ride until they get a better ride you know what i'm saying so when niggas get a better ride it's like shit all right it's time to hop off this this ride and hitch the other one so you feel like the industry's fake um I'm saying a lot of my my instances yeah but I don't know if it's like that for everybody else but uh but yeah no I kind of I kind of I've been working with different producers the past year and uh how do you how do you decide on like which producers for you who do you want to work with like you're chasing a certain sound or no I'm just like it has to speak to me it's not necessarily a certain sound it's just you know i'll do these things called like producer camp so i've a bunch of producers pull up and

play their beats and uh and if i like it okay anybody else you respectfully go home and then i'll just lock in with those two or three that i choose hmm for sure yeah i mean it's kind of weird like i was just thinking about this dynamic with you where it's like you have the thing that you like constantly going viral for which is just being a big dude and it's like you also have actual talent as a rapper and a musician and it's like you obviously are more concerned with drop with you know putting out the music side of things but then like the thing that like keeps you in headlines that is just easy for people to latch on to is the fat thing like I don't know do you get sick of that dynamic or like how much of that

are you sort of willing to just roll with the punches? Like I said man at the end of the day I'm big so I can't be mad at anybody for pointing it out I just don't like the disrespect that's when it becomes a problem you know what I'm saying is the disrespect you know what I'm saying somebody calling like a fat bitch

or something like that you know what I mean like you're like yo this nigga is fat okay that's true but I'm not a bitch you know what I'm saying that's where it gets just the disrespect is what I don't have what I don't with but shit anything else is fair game do you think

we'll ever get to the point that you'll be like I mean you see academics drop to 150 that was pretty I mean shit that's the plan that's the plan that's why we're working out every day posting the workouts having the fans hold us accountable so that way even the days where we don't feel like getting out of bed

and doing the shit I got somebody calling me a fucking bitch ass you know racial slur it's like ah okay let's do it I would like to volunteer for that negative reinforcement i'm just a hard-edged person um so yeah do you what what about if you get to the point of like really getting your body the way that you want you do porn one time i wouldn't do that you wouldn't no no okay you see about just for my collection

i've got my own collection you still be kicking in like de-savage and shit yeah yeah every once in a while it's pretty cool dude what about all outside of like what other industry friends or who would you say is a friend in the industry that we might not know that you kick it with nobody i don't i don't have any friends so shits no inside or outside music i don't really have any friends besides my girl yeah just that's who you are as a person you think no that's what has happened nobody wants their girl to be their only friend you know you know that's what's the girl to be their only friend. You know what I'm saying? That's some loser shit. But that's also

some grown man shit. Like if you ask a lot of dudes in their 40s who've got a kid and a wife, they'll tell you that it becomes difficult to like maintain your friend group as you get older unless you really go out of your way, especially if you move around and shit. It's like if I still

lived in my hometown, I'll probably like hang out with the dudes that I was friends with in high school a bunch, you know? But like once you've like move, then you don't really have that connection, you know? Yeah, it'd be like that. And And then, like, you know, people always say, like, fame and shit changes you, but... Oh, yeah. That shit changes the people around you.

Right. So it changes you because then you have to, like, anticipate people being weird and cloud chasy and, like, wanting stuff. Like, you know, even, like, I say that about my friends from high school, but even some of my friends from high school, like, when I talk to them, it's like, they still show love, but it's, like, awkward because they're like, they just act weird to you because... And then I'm even trying to get, like, money out of me and stuff, which you hear the horror stories from people about what that's like but it's like i don't know people just don't know

how to act once you're famous they just like they have to talk about like you being important or being in the news or whatever like too much and it just gets weird they start to ask about news related things i'm like bro i want to yeah i want to hear that shit you're you're hanging out with them because you just want to feel normal and then they are like thinking about clips they saw to bring up yeah exactly and they don't even know a lot of these clips don't even be real exactly you know what i'm saying so So then you end up explaining that over and over. That becomes like the conversation to be like, oh, yeah, that was a skit. Oh, yeah, we just did that for the stream.

Yeah, I don't even know that guy. You're just letting them down. Like, hey, everything's fake, man. Yeah. And so then sometimes you just fucking like, like you say, you don't want to let them down. So you lied to them, oh, yeah, bro, we're great friends. Yeah. Shit like that.

So it's just, I don't know. I feel like you changes people around you. That sucks, though. So you basically saying like all the people that you were once friends with, here is just like it's all over yeah yeah so like are you still happy like are you happy like for a while i wasn't but i am now because man it's like when you always tell i'm not gonna say who but i always tell somebody this it's like you can't worry about the parent that wasn't there you have to worry about the parent that was you know what i'm saying because it's like you worry about oh like i didn't

have this parent growing up like but you had that parent you know what I'm saying you gotta focus on yeah I can't worry about the motherfuckers who left or abandoned ship or fuck me over out of hundreds of thousands of dollars I gotta worry about who is here

and moving on who took you for hundreds of thousands of dollars that's just like it for instance oh yeah for instance thing maybe but yeah bro shit be like that are you feel like you chasing a hit or there's no pressure No, I'm kind of just making the music that I like.

And I was never chasing a hit, even when I was making music in my room with 60 plays. I was really just trying to make good music, you know? So that's kind of my thing. I've always been on the taking the stairs method when it comes to the music, you know, because when you take the stairs up, you know, you take a misstep, you fall down a couple stairs, but you didn't fall away to the bottom. But if you take the elevator, it's like you misstep this elevator. you're going all the way back down to the bottom.

So my thing is just making good music, interacting with my fans and building up my core fan base. And so that way when the hit does come, there's a foundation there. You see what I'm saying? So maybe even if it's not you though, but like is the label or are they pressuring you? Like, yo, we need another like put down the cup or like?

No. They were always just like, we don't want you to do any of the things that you did to get you here. They were on some shit like, okay, we get, you did that. Like, okay, let's kind of move from that. And I just, I don't like being told what to do. I want to be able to do that shit on my own time. You know what I'm saying?

Like, for the longest, you know, I just, I don't like being told what to do. I could be wanting to do it myself. But the minute somebody tells me to do it, I don't want to do that shit. Yeah, having got to know you over the years, you're definitely, uh, you're not like mega grumpy, but you definitely have that side where if somebody wants you to do something that you don't feel like doing,

like you know exactly what you want to do. I'm the same way. And it's like if somebody wants you to do some shit or if they're trying to get in the way and fuck up what you're doing, you're just like super over it. Yeah, man. And I'm going to, not only am I going to do what I want to do,

but now when I do it and it works, I'm going to shit on you. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Like, it was a situation to where, you know, I told you the unnecessary song. It got to the point where I was, you know, battling the label, you know, about, you know, putting music out and shit. And they were like, okay, well, just make the album and then let us hear it. So after months, I make the album, I finish it.

I go to the meeting to play them the album. And they were just, like, on their phone looking at the sky and shit, not really fucking. with the music and long story short they're like okay here's the topics to stay away from you know we heard the music here's the things to take out don't say anything about Mexicans uh domestic violence and something else don't say anything about Mexico yeah so I'm like I'm like okay uh transgender was a third thing and I'm like all right that's cool like I'll go and do revisions or whatever. Then, you know, I had set a line in one of the songs and, you know, he was like, this is just unnecessary. And I'm like, well, nigga, we're not making gospel music. None of this

shit is necessary. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're talking about bitches and hos and fucking, this is all degrading towards women music. You know what I'm saying? This is rap music. Yeah. What the fuck? Like, none of this is necessary. This isn't like, fucking, uh, books in the fucking library. Like, this isn't... We're not solving world hunger here. Yeah, bro. This isn't like ancient texts in the Vatican and shit.

Yeah. This isn't important. If every rapper doesn't put out a song for the next six months, realistically, like, the world would be all right. Yeah, maybe even better. Yeah. Maybe in a better place. Damn, that's...

I'll take, but... No, I'm fucking around. But anyway, so I'd... Is this an A&R? Like, yo, this is unnecessary or... This is the owner. This is that shit. Oh, shit.

So, after that... I had a studio session planned, and I didn't want to go to the studio. I'm like, but I don't even want to fucking do music. Like, this is some bullshit. Like, that unnecessary line stuck with me. I'm like, are you fucking stupid? Like, I don't, like, what the hell? So after that, I didn't want to go to the studio.

I had my producer come to the crib to cook up a beat before we went to the studio. And we're making the beat together. And it's like really fire. Like, this is some, I'm like, damn this shit is insane I should probably they gave me these guidelines and those ones are the only three things

they told me I couldn't say there was more I just those were the three I couldn't remember so they've given me fucking training rules on my bike and I'm like damn bro like so I wrote something and then I go to the studio the next day and I don't like what I wrote

and I'm like I got to just go in there and be myself and so then that's how the unnecessary song came about and that's why I named it unnecessary because he had said this is unnecessary and so I start previewing that shit and my manager was like what are you doing like don't do this we've worked so hard we're almost there and I'm like I have to like I have to do this like I have to like I have to do you think that oh so you're you you don't think the filter came after all the

conno was anti-semitic shit like it was you said wait what you said well do you know after the the WW3 or the Hill Hitler song, I guess that's when a lot of Oz came on to you guys and they're like, Dave Bluntz is helping Kanye and he's anti-Semitic. Is that when the label really started like, yo, here's the filter, but you weren't saying any of that stuff on your music, right?

He's exactly, no, I wasn't saying under my music. But yes, you're right about that. But you're being associated with writing for Kanye kind of like turned the light bulb on. Like, yo. So that's when they were like, okay, like, it's toned down. But I'm not saying any of that.

stuff and this is the stuff I've been saying that's what I'm confused because like you came and shout out to Connor but that same label you've been saying a lot of vulgar shit the whole time so I'm like when did the filter get applied that's what I'm trying to figure out. Like paraded me for you know sending me videos and them listening to my songs like this is crazy. I feel like they thought you were going to grow out of it. Maybe but they didn't say that because like everybody thought it was funny the first time they heard you say one of those bars that's like I fuck with all my N words but I'm not a f*** it or whatever. Like everybody remembers the first time they heard you say something like that.

But then when you listen to your music and it's like actually you've had like whole albums where every song has a bar like that. I think from their perspective, they're like these bars. It's like if you have a whole hard ass rap song and that one bar, you're like, and I suck the dick. I think like a huge percentage of people are just not going to be able to like just listen to it and vibe to it if it's got that one bar. But the numbers show that that you're wrong about that.

That those songs are bigger? Yes. That's what I'm saying. So it's like I can see if there was like, I'm on some fucking like pushing a soundglow link shit. Like your numbers are failing because you're saying the nigga, the stock is up the roof. They like that.

You know what I'm saying? Exactly. So it's like the numbers is there. The fans want it. There's no public backlash behind it. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no people like with picket fences. You'll cancel this day blunt show.

Right. No, niggas is they want this. This is what the people want. Let me ask you this. Did you ever have a conversation with Kanye? Like, yo, ever since I did that, the songs with you with the Jewish shit, they over here trying to blackball me and what I got going on? No, because I made my own decision.

You know what I'm saying? Where? I think that was that I made my own decision so I can't blame him for that. Not even blaming him, but just like somewhat to get some guidance from him on like how to handle it. Like even if you didn't blame him. No, this a nigga can't handle him to damn self. I mean, I ain't a lot. He's kind of bouncing back.

Well, at the time. Yeah, yeah. At the time. He didn't really know what to do. At the time, it kind of felt like it was over for you. Yeah. Exactly. So he just has the most resilient fan base in hip hop where he can really kind of do whatever and they just love them.

They don't really give a fuck about like what his personal life is like or what he said in the media. They just love the music. Hell yeah. That's far. But to what you were saying, yeah, it was after that stuff that was kind of getting pushed back from it. But yeah, like I said, I told my manager like I need to release this song. like this is I need you to push to get this out

so and then after it so it was kind of like a taunt to a label they didn't like that shit because I named the song unnecessary then the shit started going up you know started to get like 44,000 uses of the of the sound on TikTok and shit so I was like yeah this shit's fire

and that's one they like totally lie we're just splitting to us you said what and that's when they were like all right we're just splitting to us yeah they're like you know like respectfully we can our separate ways and when I got that call shit man I was pretty happy

definitely so you think you have a variety of situations that you could get into that would be good for you now I'm on the phone every day I'm getting calls right now my phone is vibrating as we're speaking yeah I just would hope that

you wouldn't end up in a situation that would be holding you back so hopefully you can find somebody you're on the same page with you know exactly yeah that's what that's what I'm trying to do that's what we're working for you know I got the album coming out on the 17th and then I plan to drop after

that and what's the name of the album I'll damn I believe when I see it yeah that's the name of it why that name because I feel like that's like the era at my life I'm in right now it's like me he says he's gonna lose weight I'll believe when I see it I say he's gonna go on tour or I believe when I see it he says he's gonna do this like that's just kind of like the era that I've I've I've I've I've I've made a lot of promises that like have it come true yet so people are just like okay niggit well i'll believe when i see it so but then it's a double entendre because you're also looking in your pants like at your dick yeah that's that's that's i thought that was a pretty good playing i thought

that was funny too yeah i thought that was great that was a that was a good we have a uh a host on here named doe boy who i think at one point was like 500 pounds and he he is always talking about how he can't see his dick. So that's real. You ain't seen it? You ain't seen it? Still using it. Yeah, I don't even know if he uses it.

I mean, sometimes I'll say he uses it. I use mine. So, but you can see it? It's just a joke? I can use it. Hmm. I think I seen Jay Main actually that. When I was like, what the f-the-jameen and the-

everybody's kind of fascinated about my dick and what I do with it. And if I'm able to see it or use it, that's a little gay, but, you know. People are fascinated. When I go to comedy shows, it's almost like guaranteed that at least one person is going to make a joke about a fat dude not being able to see his... I feel like it's like hella played out. Like, but I like your album cover though, because I think it's like a good reference of it. You're like owning it, you know? You feel like your skin has gotten even more like thicker, like since being in the industry?

Like, because you always had thick skin you say, but like now it's kind of like... Or you feel like sometimes you might get more sensitive, like... It depends on you. If you ask me, I say no. You ask the people around me. They'll tell me if you're not being sensitive as hell. Where? But shit.

What do you think gets to you the most of? You do have thick skin, but what do you feel? Ah, this crossing line, I ain't fucking with this. Just any sort of disrespect. You know, you can tell when somebody's joking around or disrespect. I don't take the disrespect. I don't take the disrespect, man. But the thing is my, before, you know, the people around me is like,

they didn't really give a fuck about that shit you know what I'm saying they didn't you know people there was oh brush that shit off or some like that or they would even side with the people you know what I'm saying so your girl ain't gone for the disrespect no no there's been multiple times

she's tried to crash out on people that shit be funny as I think one time I was streaming with some streamer I can't remember who it was some nigga with some pink dreads or some shit that might even be his name but

I was chilling and my girl was like she was like at her arms around my like back right here and shit and he started you know neon came over it was like group hug he gave me a hug and the other dude tried to like sit on my lap

and pretend to be like I was Santa and I want a lollipop and my girl's just like we get it like get the fuck out of here and then there was another situation in the club the other night that was pretty funny oh shit in the club What happened?

Um, that shit was just crazy, bro. My girl is, she'll crash out. Oh, she just crashed out. She'll crash out if anybody disrespects her, man. You've been fucking with that Ice Man? The album? Yeah. Yeah, I f***ing with it.

Do you think, uh, so you've actually spent a good amount of time listening to it? Yeah. How do you feel about, all right? Because a lot of people who might just like, you know what, album out tomorrow, but you see how Drake actually, like, had episodes trying to do, like, a, a rollout to like get people excited about the album. How necessary is that in this generation or this new age of rap? Do you feel like it's needed like to bring more awareness?

I love it. I love it, man. I mean, I grew up seeing that shit. I like a good rollout. I like a good album trailer. You know what I'm saying? I like all that shit. It's,

I feel like it's necessary and it's needed. You know what I'm saying? After this album that I drop, when is this coming out? Probably the next couple days. Okay. Maybe a week, next week. After this album coming out, I plan to release like a, maybe like a six or seven song EP or something like that.

And I want to shoot a video to each song. And I want to make them like very cinematic videos. You know what I'm saying? Like real cinematic. I've been working with, you know, my production crew that I work with on all my videos. They're like really, really good you know what i'm saying really good really we're working with like uh really expensive like movie lenses and cameras and shit so i want to like shoot a video to each song and then like

you know have the videos be played in like a theater and have the fans come see it and shit it's like a mini short film type up oh yeah so that's what i'm working on right now i'm finishing up the scripts for it i got the songs done and finishing up the treatments and shit so when you're dropping a six-song project though is that just like you going through i would assume you've made like hundreds of songs since you last dropped a project are you just like literally picking out the best ones no i i i um with me i usually make it like fresh you know what i'm saying because it's like a lot of that shit be like stuff that didn't make the previous projects you know i'm saying so when i go to make an album i'll probably make like 70 80 songs and then

from those 70, 80 I will choose for that project. And then I'll scrap the other 70, or just leave them vaulted, or maybe a song that I made at that time would be good for this album, but usually going fresh. Do you have to replace bars? Because I would assume that a lot of your stuff is like current events a lot of times. Yeah, and that's another thing. It's like my music is always like what's going on in my life at the moment.

I think it wouldn't make sense six months later. Yeah, I still just. leaving in there. Yeah. Well, throwback. Were you always, did you always have, like, full creative control on, like, what songs made the album? I thought I did until they didn't let my Kanye song be on the album.

And they told me what I can't say. Yeah. So, but besides that, for the most part, you were at BN able to, like, select which songs and all that? All right. So nothing's really going to change for this album right here. It's fully just you being creative like you usually been right. Yeah, yeah.

They didn't, none of the songs on here, they accepted it. at all. They're just like, okay, let you do what you want for this last one. All right. So this last one is still going on an old label? And then after that, free agent. Yes, sir. Would you sign to another rapper? No, I wouldn't do that. Fuck, no. You think that's a bad move? For some people, it can be a good move. It's definitely worked out for, I know, there's a few upcoming artists that are doing that. Me, I just, uh,

I don't want to put my career in the hands of another nigg who's also trying to get his career going. I don't really like to put my livelihood in the hands of anybody, to be honest. I just want to have, like, my livelihood be in my hands. I don't want to have to blame anybody if the shit don't work out. So, yeah, I just don't think another rapper would have time to fully put their time into what I got going on. For sure. or even understand the vision. How do you feel about

allegedly knocking down 50s baby mama though? Is that a little bit of you feel jealousy about that? Hell no, nigga. Shit, I got my own girl. Oh, right. I don't need to be jealous about that shit. That was just a clout thing when you were hauling out of her? Shit, man, I mean, good for him.

Congratulations, man. I need the trip report. I can't tell if that's really not. Have they smashed me? I don't know. Did you make the XXL cover? Not this year, but like, where you weren't on a freshman cover weren't? No, no.

Never got, because usually some rappers, they like turn it down. So it wasn't even the thing where they like even. I was in, I remember I did some meeting at some point. What year was this? 2024. Last year. This is last year. You think that's just washed?

I don't think it's washed. I think that, uh, what do I think about that shit? you really know. I mean, there'd be some years where they get, they never get it fully right. They get like a few artists on their right, but they never get it fully right. Obviously they'd be like, oh, who is this person?

Who the fuck is that? There's like four or five of them on this year's list. I don't know who they're ever heard of them before, which is pretty bad for me. Normally, I know most of them. Yeah, but like, you know, I definitely think they got it right with like Slayer. Yeah. He's fired, and I think he's definitely coming up right now, and I think he's gonna have a pretty

good career. Yeah, he's good. So, I think Yeah, they always get it right with a few, but not fully. Who else from the underground you currently tapped in with or with? I listen to a lot of that shit. I listen to, you know, Che is pretty fire. What's that? Non-vicious. What you think about their altercation?

I know I'm asking mad shit. Did you see all non-vicious and Shay getting a little altercation? Chains was getting snatched. Shit, man, that's too skinny niggas fighting, bro. Two skinny niggins fighting. It's good for the culture. It's unfortunate. Yeah, that's bad for the culture.

Yeah, man. We don't need to be fighting each other and shit. I mean, realistically, it might be some of the most attention they ever got, right? Like, no, that's not the most attention. I mean, at least in the short term, like, I don't know how much of it transfers into albums. No, they're both pretty lit when it comes to this music. They don't need to do shit like that. Yeah.

But, I mean, I feel like even, you know, people like Young Boy and Dirk, like, if they didn't have any beef in the streets, they would be talked about a lot less. Like, you know, that shit really does help make people fans of you. A lot of rappers that I, like, have interviewed or that I am fans of when I really think about it, I found out about them from a beef. It helps with the lore. And it definitely helps with, like, the lore and, like, getting the fans engaged. But at the end of the day, I mean, young boy didn't do a stadium tour off of beefs. Yeah, he did.

He did that shit off of Greg Mus. No, he definitely did that shit off of you. You think it was only beef? I mean, him and King Vaughn and a little dirge's beef kind of, like, hyped up his. music. I feel like... I've been listening to him since like 2016. For sure, but also I feel like... He's already going up.

I feel like every big rapper kind of like got to have that enemy. So like, you know? Like he's like the Superman, Kryptonite thing. I feel like the young boy, a little dirt situation kind of helped each other in a way. Even for like commercial rappers,

even like Drake's got a Kendrake Lamar. You know? Kanye's got a Drake. Everybody ends up with their big op. That's true. Who's your big op? Kankan?

yeah will y'all ever be able to uh get cool i don't know he's just a loser i don't really take too much stock in him in him right it was a certain point he would just message me randomly at like two in the morning you know just be like yo you're fat and i'd be like oh you're gay and just you know my girl would be like who are you texting and i'm like oh can can't can don't worry. Oh, I'm beefing. Babe, I'm beefing. She's like, you love him. I'm like, bro, no, I don't.

That's not love. I feel like y'all got some lot of respect for each other. He's stupid, bro. That nigga like this, he's just stupid, bro. He's just stupid. All right, so what do you want the people to know? Album coming out July 17th. Tour, August 26.

get the tickets at the stillstanding tour.com yeah man the album is it done like fully done turned in turned in everything I'm excited about it any features just solo

just solo Dave just me just me I don't really like doing songs yeah I listen to the most recent project last night I'm definitely hyped for the new one hell yeah that's good like when you don't drop that much builds up that excitement for people to see

how you've grown you know hell yeah and this one it's definitely um i like it a lot because i did i produced a lot of it like the whole album i produced it me and my producer victor oh shit uh we produced it together and uh yeah man that shit was crazy a lot of sleepless nights a lot of um a lot of house studio sessions and just random places it was it was fun making this one yeah man uh appreciate you coming through man it was good to get the update yes sir shout out Remo come on

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