No Jumper - David Sabastian on Skid Row Fashion Week, Kanye's Conspiracies & More

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

David Sabastian weighs in on fashion, behind-the-scenes politics and so much more! ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, man. We back. This T-Rill, got my co-host, Gina with me. We got a special guest in this room right now, David Sebastian. You know what I'm saying? This is this young man is a world-class talent, I would say. I mean, he does everything, you know what I'm saying? It's a real artist.

This is what you call real artistry right here. You know what I'm saying? He embodies this shit, you feel? So if you don't know, today, you are feeling no now. I was going to get familiar. Yes, sir. Gangster grills. That's a big deal.

Yeah, especially, you know, coming up in that way and error, you know what I mean, just survive. It was good, man. And it's an honor to be on no jumper, man, can interview by you guys. Thank you. It's an honor if you've seen over here all rich. You're really cozy, you know what I'm saying? I'm real jealous.

I'm like, shit. I knew I was supposed to put that fucking puffy coat on. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We go see how long you withstand this. It might get a little hot. You know what I'm saying? But you are a that's going to be dedicated to the outfit.

Yeah, we dedicated to the aesthetic. Yes, he looked at. We are matching. Yes, sir, man. So how you been, man? What's the deal? Man, I've been fucking amazing. I've been great.

Three days ago, I just did my first art exhibition. It was crazy. It's beautiful. And where was that? It was, let me turn my mute, it was downtown in the arts district. And the thing that made it so special

is I was able to showcase all of my all of my like expressions in one. So like we shot a film, right? So in the middle it was like this huge 10 foot cube that was like projecting the film. I had my fine art on the wall.

I performed, selling merch. So it was just kind of like the inside of my mind. It was tight. Is that, are those photos what's on your website right now? Mm-hmm. Oh, we're going to talk about that. We got it. Let's talk about it.

Let's get weird. So I saw a picture and it was Jesus, a black Jesus with white paint on them. Can you please explain that? It wasn't just white paint. It was too, like, so that. that particular painting was a reference to a video I shot of a white Jesus, of black Jesus getting painted white by these two makeup artists. And it's just kind of, that's what America has done, right? We've kind of white-faced Jesus. I mean, it's kind of historically known at this

point that Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you know, whatever, you call him, it was a black man. And through the depiction of Christ in history, he's been like, you know who Caesar Borgia is? No. So Caesar Borgia is the white male who is the likeness of Christ who was, it was either king, it was one of the king's son that they made Jesus look like. So most people who know like the white, blonde hair Jesus, that's actually Caesar Borgia. So the Jesus who we know, the face who we, you know, was like the king's son who he made the image.

You know, and I've visited the Vatican, they definitely, like, taught me a bunch of that, like how they covered up a bunch of things, you feel, I mean, painting it in white. So, yeah, I mean, that's crazy. I mean, because, like, when you go in the churches and, you know, the God is pointing at the finger, I mean, the finger pointed at his family or whatever. And he said, I mean, you had Da Vinci. and all of that stuff. I was like, damn,

Leonardo and all. I'm like, damn, I thought these was Ninja Turtles. They all started laughing. But they was like, no, these are real artists. And these artists, they was like, well, I was like, well, how did they know what God looked like? How did they know what Jesus looked like to paint these pictures?

And the tour, the tour guy was like, well, the king actually told him to paint his family. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, I want this, I want this. to probably be the deepest no-jumper interview y'all have i want to get like real deep but if you know if we're just talking about religion um religion has been a weapon um they have weaponized religion for control you know they gave slaves bibles to stop them from jumping off of slave ships

is that where you you know your artist that's where it's main your artistry like are you here to like just to enlighten our people, you feel me, and just to let people know. I mean, because it's kind of like, it's really out there. Some people are kind of like standoffish from it. And then, you know, some of our people kind of understand. Well, you got to think about it like this. Most artists, especially the really successful ones,

are brought and paid for. So, you know, you have a lot of puppets. And puppets, when you get worldwide acclaim and money, you're not going to speak out against the regime, the this, this, this. So, you know, you just smile for the cameras. And on our way here, I was looking at a video about Plato's cave. Do you guys know what Plato's cave is? No.

So Plato, the philosopher, had this theory, right, about these three prisoners sitting in a cave, right? And it's just like these shadow puppets on the wall, right? So their whole life, they've seen these shadows on the wall. And the shadow was being created from the sunlight behind them, hitting the trees and stuff, and, like, casting these images on the wall. So one day, one of the prisoners escaped, right? And he goes outside and he's, like, blinded by the light, and he sees, like, trees and he sees the sun and he sees all these things.

And he realized the shit that he was, Ray's watching was an illusion. It was just a shadow, right? So he goes back to the cave and he tells other prisoners like, yo, all this shit is fake. And they're looking at him like, you're crazy. And he can't even describe, you can't describe something as someone who can't even fathom what it is, right?

So I think there's like 5% of the world who see, who know that the shadows are fake. And the rest of us are just looking at picture puppets. Just smiling. When I was going through your website, it was some stuff on there that made me question my own existence. How so? So one of the things that stood out to me, it was in the text and it said, God is ironic.

The devil is a metaphor. What do you mean by the devil being a metaphor? So I have this song called The Devil's Metaphor on We Are God. And it says, The Devil is your fears. He's the voices that you hear. The person's staring at you. get dressed in the mirror. We,

thinking of the best way to put this, if you go up to anyone and you say the devil, what do most people think about? Some red dude with fucking horns inhale, fire. But in all actuality, the devil is your fear.

This entire universe operates off of two things. Love and fear. And since you're a child, you've been taught to fear things. to fear what you don't know, to fear yourself. That's why they put religion, you know what I mean?

Because now you're afraid of this. And, like, you know, so the devil is a metaphor for your own fears and anxieties that hold you back. Do you follow any religion? No. Well, yes, I follow all of them. So I've read on Hinduism, on Buddhism, on Christianity, on, you know, you know, all types of faith, because I think it's good to just, like, educate yourself on a different face. But I wouldn't say that I necessarily follow anyone in particular.

I have grown to Jesus, right? If you read the Bible, you know, he pretty much just had two main things he was trying to tell people. One is just love everyone, right? Just love your neighbor, love everyone. And even as they was beating the shit out of him, he said, God, forgive them. They don't know what they do. And that's happened to me. Like, I try to look out for niggas who I've literally found on the streets.

Niggas was homeless. And I'm like, y'all, I'm going to give you some love. But one day you're going to turn on me, niggie, you're going like, but I forgive you because I know what it is. So it's love above all else and faith. So, you know, I follow that, you know, not to like bring up yay because I know he's a hot topic. but you know Christ's consciousness right so a lot of us like we worship Christ

right but it's really his consciousness like to be able to turn water into wine it's not magic it's having undeniable faith that anything you touch can turn like we could get fucking deep but let's do it

that that's one of my goals on this planet is to achieve Christ's consciousness and when you hear like a nigga like yay you know talk about the Nazis and shit like that. I think what he's trying to articulate. I don't know him, so I can't really speak for him. But it's we have to love our oppressors.

We have to love everyone. There's no one that is so bad that they don't deserve love in some capacity. Well, let's start from the beginning where he said slavery is a choice. Yeah. How did you feel about that? So I'm not saying that there's some ignorance that comes out. Like, I can't vouch for everything he says. I can't vouch for anything.

He's his own. man, I will say that slavery today, not slavery back then on the plantations and the kind of fields and when we were colonized by the other, I'm not saying that's a choice. But today, when we kill each other, you know, when we're slaves to brands, labels, slaves to ideas, slaves to green pieces of paper, slaves to the concept of like, now we're. Now we're, we're it's a choice. I wouldn't say it was back then, but now our people are so fucked up. I just watched Will Smith's

movie Emancipation. Have y'all seen that yet? Not yet, no. I would suggest you y'all see it. Beautiful film. And it made me so fucking angry to see what like us as a people have been through, like in real slavery, right? What our great grandparents, what our ancestors went

through to get to a platform now where we're oppressing each other. it doesn't make any fucking sense but how do you feel about you know like what he says about them exploiting us

as a culture they're you know what I'm saying all in the movies music they get to exploit us but soon as we say something there's just like this terrible cloud that goes over our head and now we're depicted

and now we're shun and kicked out of everything well you you kind of got to understand not you but like people have to understand like the matrix in which we live in right like there is a there is a system in which way things work right and there's a system of control right and you know the masses right most of us are sleep right most most people work eight hours sleep eight hours played hours right most of us just

live our lives, it's inconspicuous, we get a wife, we get some kids, and then we die, right? And us being black, you know, us being really the originators of style, the originators of culture and all these things, we have been systematically programmed to like chase a microphone, chase a basketball, chase a football, chase all these external things, right? But we have no ownership over any of them, right? We don't own the football team. We don't own the basketball teams. We don't own the record labels.

We don't really have ownership over anything. We don't even own our own likeness. You know? So ownership is a very, very big part. Like, you know, who owns no jumper? Who owns Twitter? Not a nigger. You know what I have saw this freestyle called Black Executive where it says,

who owns Facebook, who owns Twitter, who owns Instagram, not a nigger. from the platforms we use to the movies. And I'm not saying that these are owned by a specific group. Because I don't even think it has to do with race. I think it just has to do with the monopolization of information. I like that. The monopolization of information. And that's why we're really in slavery,

because we're enslaved to the powers that be, when in reality, we control all of this shit we control media we control our if every fucking black football player said you know what I quit we start in our own league

fuck y'all there would be no NFL if niggins said we getting off Instagram and we started in fucking whatever there'd be no Instagram we literally control everything and we don't even know it

before we go any further You know what I'm saying? Because the people, let's get the people to know you, you know what I'm saying? Let's start off from the beginning, you know what I'm saying? Baby David. David Sebastian from Los Angeles, California, born and raised, grew up for the first part of my life in Korea town and moved to the South Bay. Been to damn near every school in Los Angeles. Carson, Gardena, Palisades, Fairfax, Westchester, Belmont, super fucking crazy kid.

who didn't give a fuck, but mostly I just had ideas and opinions. And that's the worst thing for a school system who's trying to breed fucking slaves is a nigger with some opinions. Oh, Christopher Columbus, just go how, or the, why? Oh, go to the office. You was getting kicked out for your opinions? I mean, after a while. I mean, first it started with don't talk.

Don't do this. Like, I'm an artist, right? You would say I'm a pretty good artist, right? I failed every art class I had in school. doesn't make any fucking sense but it's okay though you got it you got to look at I'm gonna keep talking about me but to deviate to that is you got to look at the systems of control when you have a system like a school right how do they make you sit in school in lines right at a little desk right before you talk what they tell you to do raise your hands outside of your

school what is there normally fences right A school looks like a fucking prison. A school is, the modern day school system was built to create miniature slaves, man, to be able to put things on a chopping block. Make jeans, make this. Don't add, don't work together. That's why you got to take a test by yourself. You don't think any of those things you mentioned were created to teach children's structure? So, good answer.

Good question. If society is a product of our school system, our education system, with all of that structure, then why do we live in such an unstructured world? Why do the kids, why do most, I mean, I can only talk about ethnically like black and brown kids. If school is to teach a structure, then why are most of us like being in prison or murder? You know what I mean? Like, why hasn't that reflected into our behavior past school? Well, not all of us are that way.

Not all of us, but I'm saying... It's the same thing in other races, too. No, for sure. Do you know who created the educational system? Actually, see, it's hard because I'm like, I'm trying to go there, but I'm also trying to let people know, like, what I do, because they might just be like, who's this nigger in his fur coat, talking all this gap?

Well, educators. I mean, well, yeah, we, want to know how you grew up then we can go then we can go talk about how we don't like bias we'll go back to that we'll go back to that we'll go back to that but um went to a bunch of schools

dropped out at 16 because I couldn't fuck with the structure and then I became a designer and becoming a designer I literally just drew like a little notepad with a bunch of designs and went on mailroads at the time when it was like super duper popping ad hardy store where the old you know old ad hardy store was going door to door to door to door selling my designs and i met christian otage who

owned ed hardy at the time literally seen him five days in a row because he kept being like i'm busy i'm busy i'm busy finally got him to look at my work and fuck with me went next door to teenage millionaire designed for teenage millionaire and then i met steve aoki then i designed for denmark and then from denmark diesel ruka wisconsin republic like i'm I've designed for over like 60 70 labels man but I always wanted to do music but I just felt like a 16 year old black kid dropping out of high school saying he's a rapper probably wasn't the best look and at the time like you have a clothing brand right no I just put some shit on a hoodie oh I'll hire black woman higher black woman right but you see how you said I just put something on a hoodie back then like it was it was kind of hard to do that like not everyone could have that access right so especially like young black people you know what I mean now it's so easy to create your own entity so back you're 16 years old making this type of money designer for all these companies yeah yeah well I wasn't making that much money until I hit about like 18 or 19 because

the first designs I was getting like super fucked I was like getting like 200 dollars of design you know I mean fucking steve ailke tried to trade me hard tickets for some headphones I designed that probably made them too much money, you know. So, but that's just a part of the game. In the industry, you're going to get fucked initially, which is cool, take it to the game. I mean, in the last couple years, I've designed for Drake, you know, I did OVO for Coachella, for, I did Chris Brown's last tour. I've done, you know, and that's just kind of like my side shit.

Like, I don't even really do it full time. I just do it for fun now, but. Yeah, you did that one collab with YG. Yeah, the YG shit. $1,200 merch. So designing, and then I started to do music. And I came out with a record called Pussy Marijuana, and that shit went hard in the streets. And really, man, everything I do is just to inspire people.

You know what I mean? Like, I didn't go to college. I didn't do any of that. I don't got no rich parents and nothing like that. I just am a self-motivated person. I know the potential I have, and I know the potential. essential you have and we all have and a lot of people don't know that they don't know the power they have inside of them so that's kind of my mission through everything i do music art fashion now i have a

brand called skid row fashion week um y'all i mean y'all obviously know what skid row is right so i saw you did a fashion show yeah well i was going to end up getting sued by the gap and uh conier for that but um for how much hold on don't well what what they dropped it after they shut down my website and deleted our Instagram. Also, that's why you added them and said, give me the page back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I saw that. So, long story short, Skid Row, six, for those who don't know who are watching this, maybe 60, 70,000 homeless people living in a 10-block radius downtown, right? The highest concentrated population of homeless people in America. And the city, L.A., has billions of dollars in funding for years that they don't allocate to the

these people and yeah you have missions and stuff like that but me just being being me and knowing that every little anyone can make a difference anyone can make an impact a couple years ago i just hopped on a little scooter was driving down skid row and i um i was like i was asking around like yo who kind of like run shit down here like who who could i talk to if i was trying to like donate my time and uh they told me about a guy named windale who is uh og been on skid row for for 30 years, got through alcoholism, was an addict, all this cleaned his life up, and now he devotes his life to help in the homeless.

And I went up to him and I'm like, man, listen, I got a platform, niggas know me for music, but I wanna do something. And he told me, he was like, man, he's like, you know how many artists and politicians and didda, came up to me and told me this? But I got a funny feeling you actually gonna do something. And since then, I've just been going hard, man,

trying to create opportunities and a platform to really do some real change, you know. I saw you said there are millionaires spending billions in the metaverse when there's homeless people in our universe. Did any millionaires reach out to you and say, hey, I want to fuck with your movement. I want to help you. No, no. Because, you know, yay, Jay, Diddy, and Drake could put all their money together and in homeless. in a day.

There's a lot of millionaires. There's a lot of billionaires. The real thing is people just don't give a fuck, man. We can lie. We could pretend like, you know, we do. But a lot of people are so consumed with

greed or just the monopolization of their own personal finances that no one's really about that life, man. I've been doing this shit for like three years. And you know, it's so funny, when I was home when I was homeless living in an office the size of this carpet getting paid like you know I mean like I hit a tough time in my life I was damn near giving everything I had to skid row and to

building this company and doing Christmas on skid row giving away thousands of presents putting up my own money when I had nothing you know what I mean so where did this selflessness like mentality come from that you just want to help and do it for others because everything that you talked about like you went to a company you helped them with their designs you doing this stuff with scared row how did you become this selflessness person well i don't know if you become it i think i think that's the purpose of life i think that's the true purpose of life i think we've been programmed to think it's me me me me me and it's the accumulation of things but when you really dig deep i think our purpose is to help one another and you know growing up like

I've had conversations with some of the richest people on this planet. Fucking supermodels, billionaires, all types of hierarchy people. And then I've had conversations with niggas who sleep under the freeway. And they've been some of the realest people on the planet. You know what I mean? Like just you can feel a different type of humanity with people who've lost their way and who don't have shit. So, yeah. Did these political views come from, you know, mom and pops?

what didn't come from pops my dad uh was non-existent in my life and my mom ain't much in the politics either but she always told me to to stand on my word and to not be afraid of nobody and to speak my mind i just think it just comes from i grew up off like pock man you know what i mean i grew up off like malcolm x biography you know what i mean like i grew up off of just militant black men who who like stood for things and that's just the character I'm playing today

Does that affect you much with pops not being in your life? I mean you know it's crazy when I was fucking up in school right

the first thing they want to say is he's lashing out because he ain't got a father and I'd always be like no I'm not even thinking about this dude right and now that I'm old enough to actually like dig into my

fucking psyche a little bit um I like the answer is no I appreciate the space in my movie like we all have movies right that we're living your movie how you grew up where you were raised and sometimes

it's a lot of trauma and a lot of drama and a lot of bullshit you know people have been through a lot of shit but sometimes we hold on to that trauma and we let it fuck up our lives we're like fuck you touch me and you let it fuck up

your life when you don't realize It's just a part of your personal movie. It just makes your movie more interesting. So him leaving me being a rabbi, Jewish rabbi, leaving my black mother to fucking raise me. And then, you know, it's just part of the movie, you know. So Pops was a Jewish rabbi. Yeah.

Polish Jew. No, no, like Israeli Jew. So you're Jewish. Half. And your mom? Black. From Watts. Christian?

Yeah. So how you feel? feel about Kanye talking shit. That's funny. That's his character. That's what he's doing right now. I grew up a Kanye fan, man. Kanye's college dropout was the first rap album that I ever got in Sunday school.

My Sunday school teacher gave that shit to me. And he was like, you don't know this guy yet, but he reminds me of you. Because when I was a kid, I was like crazy. I mean, I fuck with Kanye. I just think that you know, he's playing the super villain right now. You know, when you watch fucking Batman as a supervillain, he's making this time

interesting by being the villain. Don't really affect you. Yeah, I mean, when he speaks, I'm like, okay, I appreciate the fact that you're enlightening people on different things and different facts about, you know, how our people are being treated, you know, and who's doing it to him.

I definitely appreciate that about him. The selflessness. The selflessness for sure. But then it does come to a point to where it's like, uh, you know what I'm? And it's song, power, right? He has this quote. He says, do you have the power to let power go, right? Think about it.

You right now, you worth $3 billion, right? And you know by saying something, everything will be taken away from you. your kids, your family, your money, your reputation, your livelihood, everything. Would you still say it? No. But just depending on, you know, the circumstances and what's going on or what I'm fighting for. And like you saying, I guess he might be feeling like he's fighting for something that's just way bigger than what we know of. I know some people who are so rich that all they have is money.

And that's not good. Because no family with money equals like depression. You know what I'm saying? Stress. You might end up killing yourself with no money. You definitely have to have something there with money. Like money isn't everything.

It's definitely not. I think it goes back to... If you don't have that structure. It goes back to what you were saying earlier about faith. Kanye faith might be so high that he knows what he's saying that God got him, regardless of. Because I'm being honest with you.

I know God got me in like the most unimaginable way. Like I would like in every way. I wish I could test it right now. Like I know he has me in every way. And if Kanye is at that level where he knows it, then you can take away money. You could take away earthly things. But if you have the divine. and looking out for you, I mean, you can have it.

Do you feel like it was, you took some sacrifices in your artistry too? Because some of the stuff you, you've done is like, it's real bold to where, you know. Sacrifices out. It's almost like if you're painting by the Ku Klux Klan or whatever, you feel me? I just feel like that is kind of bold. I feel like a lot of people out here wouldn't be accepted, you know, real, to it like they'll probably be like oh no man i don't even be thinking about people really like i don't be thinking about like what can come from things or people's perceptions i'm just a vessel dog i'm just

putting out things that i see through my perspective and not really worrying about the consequence like when Gucci when i did the Gucci bonfire and i painted Gucci doesn't care about black people and i drew like the clansman in the Gucci robe and shit and i was literally running from a helicopter their nigga on Melrose Boulevard, hiding underneath cars trying to get away from the police. And then Gucci sent me a cease and assist. And then I took their cease and assist and made merch with it. And then I threw a party and had fucking a thousand people burning all their Gucci's and shit.

That's just what led me. You know what I mean? Yeah, you fight white supremac through your part. Like, it is just some people might be scared. But you really walk. out there in Facebook like, no, we're doing this shit. And you got a lot of people backing you. You know what I'm saying?

Wait till I get the world behind me. I mean, listen, I'm still regional. I mean, we global, but I'm still accessible. But don't let me get, like, not even don't let me, when I get global, I plan to do things with my art that will shift. culture that'll shift the world that shift like you said you looked and you questioned this like all it takes is a seed that's it someone says a seed to you it can question everything you're doing

and when you create art that's all i'm doing is just planting seeds you know was there a um like a specific situation that happened that made you started like questioning religion i've seen a movie and i questioned my daddy and he looked at me like i was like guys um no it was It was a movie called. I don't know what it was called, but it was about like the first lie I ever told. So pretty much these people lived in a reality where everybody told the truth.

And at one point, one guy said, my job is so boring. I need to get creative. He was a writer. And he started making up stories. And one of the stories that he made up was about Noah's Ark.

And he had all these people believing that he can get to every animal to his house and that he knew this guy named Moses. That's crazy. What movie is this? I don't know. I was probably like 15 when I saw it. I wanted to say it's called.

the first lie ever told. It's like something like that. So that made me wonder, what if at some point in the Bible, niggas started writing different stories in the Bible? How do we know, you know, that the scripts that were found by the little kid who gave him to his daddy, how we know that when they translated them from, you know, to English that they didn't start making shit up? So that was a situation that made me question the Bible. Was there like something specific that happened? So I don't know if I questioned the Bible. Because the Bible, you know, basic instructions before leaving earth you can really break down the Bible and and understand the esoteric teachings that are deeper than like Noah's art and shit I think I just

questioned church because I grew up going to city of refuge you know city refuge and Pastor No Jones no disrespect you know but when you pull enough to church in a million dollar car and you got like 20 security and half of the people in your church is broke his shit and there's an ATM by the bathroom I don't know it just don't make no sense to me an ATM in the church is crazy you know what that fucking church it rubbed me the wrong way but it also I really loved I really loved his word no I love I love the way he he speaks but it did rub me the wrong way I think I was at Bible study one day and um I'm one of the preachers was like Yeah, brothers, everybody give $100.

And I was like, nigga, what? And they kind of fucked me up because it was like, I ain't got a hundred, don't even worry about it. Don't even touch the plate. Almost kind of like, here you know. I heard a pastor say, if you donated more than a hundred stand up. If you donated more than $500, stand up. Praise a lot.

I walked out. A child. Yeah, man. Like, uncomfortable. I love Donald Jones. I just would say, if you have a congregation of 1,000 people, 2,000 people. You can tell them

Jesus will handle all your needs and everything will be good and blah, blah, blah. Or you can give them real tools on how to take their faith and manifest what the fuck they want. I feel like a lot of preachers don't do that

because if you teach people how to manifest what they want, they ain't coming back to church. If you really knew that God was inside of you, you are the God, like you can create. anything you want with you wouldn't be praying for the same actually to pray for the same thing more than once is the opposite of faith let's say you pray tonight like god please i need a blessing i need some money and then you pray the next day god i need a bless i need some money you'd have that

just you didn't have faith that the first time it fucking happened so like church just teaches a lot of bastardized ways of thinking that i just can't really rock with but you know i've been in church since all the child and I didn't learn the importance of faith until last year. And that's because I went to a Christian college. So are you guys almost atheists? No. No. Don't put that on me. Not on here.

I'm actually a Davidian. I mean, break that down for me. I'm a Davidian. I believe in myself. But not God. What's the difference? Well, you said we are God.

Well, look around this room. Tell me one thing in here that wasn't created by someone's imagination. No, like really try. Like, really look around and tell me one thing that wasn't created by someone's imagination. Okay. So if our imagination has created everything around us, I believe that we are all part of one singular consciousness, that there is no, you know what a hive mind is? Like bees, how bees kind of all can telepathically talk to each other.

They all share the same consciousness. I believe we're the same thing. I think we're one with everything. Can you explain there's a big difference between who you are and who you think you are? Good question. I'm going to take this fur coat off. You wasn't mine. I told you.

How long he lasted. The lights. Yeah Yeah Yeah You was doing it up I seen you I said okay

He's sniffing There we go The fist still crazy though Yeah I got to Yeah Thank you We ain't live world

No Nah That shit out Laura Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

You can get that It's real life Most of us play roles, right? So, like, right now I'm in no jumper. I'm wearing some leather pants and some Rick Owens. I got a Cartier watch on. I'm a rapper today. Why am I a rapper?

Because I said I'm a rapper, and I make rap music. And I don't really live a rapper's lifestyle, but, you know, rappers live rapper's lifestyles. They fuck with bitches and they smoke weed and they do whatever they do. we all just create characters for ourselves but it's not real like you could wake up tomorrow I can wake up tomorrow and be anything we're just playing roles to fit into this box that that that makes life more palatable to live by if that makes any sense like have you ever watched the Truman show no

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so, yeah. Where do you feel like your artistry is going to take you, man, and what do you feel like is holding you back right now from being the biggest ever? Because I know you have a lot of ideas. I mean, you have the tools behind you. I know, I know, I know you feel like you'd add niggott.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know what's holding you back? Nothing. There's nothing holding me back. If you would ask me that a couple, you know, a couple years ago, I would have said myself because we're the only thing that could hold a, back. There's no external force

that can stop you because the external is really the internal. If you want to look out, look in. If you're broke, sad, life caving in, that's just an outward reflection of how you feel inside.

So when my life was in disarray, it was because I was in disarray. So there's nothing that's stopping me. It's just a matter of time. I can't pick when that hit is going to line. I can't pick when any of those moments that take me into the fucking the stratosphere happens. It could be three weeks from now. It could be three months from now.

But all I can do is continue to fucking create. As a young creator and a young business owner, like, what are some of the tools you can tell these young people out here? You know, how do you start a brand? You know what I'm saying? Where do you go as a young brand owner to, you know, take the, you know, take the, you know, take those steps to get to where you going. I would say the first thing you do is find your why. So what's on your shirt?

Hired, black woman. Why? Because there's a lack of black female representation in media. Why? Because they're not being hired. Why? Because this is a male-dominated industry. Why?

I don't know. I'm not, I can go as a, deep as you. We don't even got to go deep, but really think about that. Like, why? Start with your why. A lot of people nowadays have brands, right? And we put names on it. And, you know, it could be your name. It could be the name of some other shit. But it's really, a lot of it's just based in ego, you know, a nigga put like Pierre this on a fucking shirt, right? Okay, I get it. But what's your why? Start with your why. Because if you have a, a strong enough why of why you're doing it, then you'll create a story.

And then that story will bring people in and then you'll create a, you need purpose. So the why helps generate the purpose like Skid Row, right? It's a name, but the purpose was to what, bring attention to a community that's underserved, create job opportunities for people who are all, like I have a why. It's deeper than just putting a logo on a t-shirt. So whenever times get hard, and I might not have no money or this, this, this, this, my Y can sustain me. If your Y isn't strong enough, then you'll just give up.

Yeah, but, you know, your Y is just a little bit deeper than everybody else's why. Nine times out of 10, the Y is money. So I need to make money, and then I feel like I'm creative. So where the fuck do I go to make a T-shirt and a hat? Point them to the right direction. See, and that's why there's so much bullshit today. Because money shouldn't... Money isn't even fucking real.

It's real, but it ain't even fucking real. So if your Y is attached to money, you'll just do whatever for money. I ain't even trying to get fucking super duper deep, but like on the way here, I was fucking listening to an audio book about stoicism. And stoicism is just talking about how we don't be attached to anything. Be unattached to your need for money, validation, opinions, all this. And once you break free from your need to have money, this, this, and you're truly free. If you need money, you're just a slave to the idea of money.

So you'll do anything. You'll fucking sell your ass for money. But your brand actually says something, right? It actually means something. When you go deeper and deeper and deeper, you're going to find the core of why you want to do it. And once you find that core, use that. I have a deep, thorough, long quote on the back back. You got a whole goddamn mandate on the back seat.

It explains all of it, but just me saying it out, like, I'm not able to just repeat it. I don't know ever. How many people are on your team? For this or in general, this was a collab with somebody else who they kind of reached out to me and said, hey, you know you. Was it a one? I was going crazy. No, it was a guy. Okay.

So. I would say if you're going to do that, start a team with all women. Hire all black women. Well, so for my production, for my ciphers, all black women. All black women. And create platforms for more black women and then create a podcast talking about the black women you're doing and then talk about, like, you know what I mean? Like then you get deeper down to rabbit hole, you have purpose.

You don't just have a hoodie with your fucking name on it. Can we get into some lyrics? Or are you about to say something else? I'm sorry. Anyway, to break it down, blah, blah, blah, blah. Start with your why, and after you have your why,

don't listen to anyone. Don't listen to your fucking friends. Don't listen to your family. Like, your family, my family, most people's family, are like the killer of fucking dreams. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, you can... I live that. They'll be the quickest to kill your shit. Because they can't see it, and they have their own inadequacy. So their fear is becoming, yours jZ talks about an interview how he almost quit rapping when he created his first demo went to his uncle and his uncle was like this shit garbage imagine jZ would have quit rapping

you know jZ so find your why and then once you have your why let it take you all the way people will try to give you opinions people will tell you what to do what not to do take it with a grain of salt and follow your inner your gut is god follow your your your god noted thank you well lyrics I want to get into some lyrics

you delete it what this is correct that's the god it was talking about it was from Beyonce's perfect he can't give you about Prince him

you said you said you said you killed Michael and Prince over yes is it the industry or the government

yeah wow Simple. Simple. I mean, some niggas are worth more dead than the lodge. Well, damn, how do you feel about that going into this music industry, like, knowing, like, you know what, I might be the biggest ever? Like, how do I attack that? Once I'm the biggest ever. It's stoicism. Like, it's crazy. Hold on. It's stoicism. It's not being even, it's not, it's being your life, not even being attached to your own life, knowing that everything is. temporary and doing anything that you want regardless of your life money or anything I know what would that comes with right we all do but am I going to bitch up and fucking you

know sing and dance for these niggas no I'm a I mean so you fight white supremacy all the way to to the end you know it's so crazy it's not even white supremacy because there's a level beyond the whites. It's your dad. No, no, no. It's your daddy. Oh, God. No, digger.

It ain't money. He don't got nothing for that. It's him. He there. No, no, no, no. It's another. It's another. level.

Who runs them? Well, you got the richest families in the world. You got the Rockefellers. The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds. But who runs them? Who's at the top of the pyramid? She, you tell me.

Because I thought that was a pyramid. I mean. Illuminati? You got us at the bottom. bottom. Then you have the police force policing us. Then you have the government. And then

you have the rich people. Then you have the corporations. Then you have the families and you have this. But at the top, I'm not about to say it on here. Let's just say that there's different caveats to this. It ain't a white thing. It ain't a Jew thing. It ain't a black

thing. Might be a green thing. I don't know. Why not? Educate me because I want to know. I'll be leaving this forever. No, I know y'all can't. It's Adam at the top of our pyramid. Let's just say, I can't say it just yet, man. There's different parts of my story I got to tell before I can go there.

But I'll just say, like, of course, there's certain people who hold power over us, right? But there's different entities in this planet, man. It ain't all fucking human. It ain't all, it's like, it's a lot of fucking magic going on, man. That's why we got to stay prayed up. You got to keep faith and know thyself. Know thyself. You got to know who you are because as things progress over the next couple years,

you're about to see a lot of fucking crazy shit, man, that will have you really questioning everything. So how do you use your knowledge to enlighten your people? You know what I'm saying? Especially the ones are they? What I'm doing right now? It's a lot of niggas who watch no jumpers like, what is this nigga talking about? They're sure for sure, for them to be like, huh?

Huh? Yeah, I'm saying, but they might rewind it. But they might rewind it. They might Google it. They might ask their cousin. They might be like, yo, this niggas talking that shit. I'm doing it right now. The song you were trying to reference.

I said it. Beyonce's perfect. I found it. Beyonce's perfect. I say it in the songs. The painting, I paint it. The clothes. Nika, everything I do is to inspire and enlighten.

When you're painting, like, where is this photo? coming from because I never understood like the artists and the this abstract about the shit and I'm just looking and I'm like I can't see the fucking story you got to tell me like but now like in my older age like I kind of like I get it to where you was talking about like you got to be free with this shit you got to realize who you are in all of this man like we're all just vessels we're all just vessels if we allow ourselves to be for energy to flow through us and and to give the world something. Like Little Wayne, right? He don't write shit down, right? And that nigga would be saying some crazy-ass shit.

And he's like, Jay-Z, he has his line. He was like, Con Edison Flow. My mind's connected to a high power. He's talking about some shit. When Jay-Z be gassing, I don't know what energy he's connected to. But there's something speaking through that, nigga. There's something speaking through people who are open to it. and it's either light or it's dark, you know what I mean?

And there's, you know, there's a lot of darkness in the music industry. It's a little bit of light, you know what I mean? But at the end of the day, the light will shine through. So I would say it's not even me, dog. Like, if you ever see me paint, like, if you ever see me paint, you'll be like, this nigga ain't even using a pencil. This nigga ain't do a sketch. He ain't looking at shit.

How did he just paint a whole mural in like 20 minutes with note? Because I'm not even thinking, dog. It's just my body, like my shit just moving. I just become a vessel, man. That's crazy. There was another piece of content I wanted you to explain. It was a fish evolving into a human. Yeah.

I mean, some would predate humans back to fishes. Reptiles, fishes. I mean, you see a sperm cell, right, with the little tail and shit. Yeah. It kind of resembles a fish. Evolution. So they looked at me like I was. crazy when I taught them I believed in mermaids.

Believe in mermaids too. Thank you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen. You know, you know the only reason why I believe in it? It's because anything the imagination can conceive, I believe is real and it exists somewhere. Vampires, it, blah, like it had to come from somewhere. And I just think that whether it's in our dimension, another realm, or, I mean,

did you know, I mean, you know, because you probably believe in mermaids, but like 90% of the, you know. ocean is undiscovered. Yes. It could be an entire fucking world underneath the ocean and we have no idea. I saw something that, um... I used to fuck with a mermaid. Okay.

Like, for real? Squishy, squishy. What do you mean by that? Look at how you fucking with me? No, I'm not. I used to fuck with a murk. I fucked with a reptilian bitch. I fucked with some pretty... You're not telling me you fucked with somebody like Ariel with real, with fins

and... Would you really really? You mean if I told you I did? I don't know what to believe right now. I've been to quiet. I've ever been on the interview. I'm just look. I love to listen. I'm listening.

This is great. So my niggas fucked with a mermaid, a Rottillion bitch. Like, my niggas is an artist. He's a rapper. You know what I'm saying? He lives in space. Okay? We don't believe this nigga.

You know what I'm like his daddy Jewish? He's running the country. As a matter of fact. Like, this is wild. I love it. Keep this shit going. What else do we fucking believe in right now? Let's just get on like as far as like, is this still, do you believe that there's still racism out here in this world?

Like, come on. Like, I want you to break this down to because I just just love your ideology. Oh, man, is there racism in this world right now? Because some don't believe, you know what I'm saying? Some of my, like, I would ask that and it just seems like so cliche, but I would ask that because. Because where I grew up, and, you know, when I was growing up, I didn't see white people or I didn't see other races. And I didn't have to deal with a motherfucker calling me a nigger or I didn't have to deal with motherfuckers pushing me out or doing no wild shit. But now you would see, like, you know, now racism is, you know, transformed into different things.

It's just not, it's not called racism. I got a question. Where you grew up at, were there gang? Yeah. With gang violence, right? Yes. niggas would kill each other over what, beef, money, territory. Some type of beef, yeah.

But nowadays, I mean, really a niggie could kill a nigger over a dice game, right? Yeah. I mean, sometimes it gets deep, right? But it really, if you really go to the root of it, it's because we hate ourselves. And that's racism. We hate niggas more than they hate niggas. So it's like reverse fucking racism. And that's not even our fault.

That's the fucked up thing about it. We hate each other because we've been programmed to hate each other. Did you know gangster rap was funded by private prisons? So is the agenda of like these crooked politicians whose missions to keep niggas recycled in the system. And then the judicial system pimps them? Yes. I understand these things. He is like, he's potting.

This is real life. Really think about this. The gangster rap was funded in the, in the 90s, in the late 80s, by privatized prisons that were empty that needed to be filled with bodies. I didn't know that. I mean, there's a whole, like you can Google and really go down the rabbit hole, but there was like a, a media. of the minds where these rich motherfuckers came at the gangster rappers of the time. Well, give me a year. Listen, Crazy Bone, just if you're watching this, look at a crazy bone interview where

he talks about how he like went to this big ass house. It was a bunch of rappers there and they pretty much told him, listen, we'll make you rich as fuck. We'll give you the platform. But y'all niggas got to talk about killing, murder, drugs, this, this, this. he said it was two rappers that was like, I ain't with this fuck y'all niggas and them niggas end up dying. Listen, it makes all the sense in the world.

My uncle was a notorious crypt and he used to tell me how they would bring fucking trains through the hood and just drive and just have guns. Like, you know about that? Like, just literally drop off guns. I heard about that. That's similar to when George Floyd passed away and they was putting bricks in front of All these. Niggia, it's a game.

It's a fucking game, right? So you get all these pricks. Okay. Slavery. What was we doing? Picking what? Codotting. Picking fucking cotton.

You know, I feel like, I feel like this just turns so deep. Like now I'm like a Dr. Umar, niggas. I'm not even a conscious rapper. I just, I feel like every time I get on a platform, it's my need to fucking talk because it'd be so much bullshit. You know what I mean? But slavery, we was picking what? Cotton, right?

they fucking took slavery away, right? They built prisons. They gave us drugs, alcohol, guns, all the devices for us to kill each other. We get in prison, and now what are we doing? We're sewing jeans. We're fucking with cotton, again, just in a new way. It's new slaves.

Crazy, man. That's fact. I don't want to leave. I need to go to sleep tonight. I'm going to be on the fucking rapid hole on you too tonight. We're this crazy ball interview. How did you get linked up with DJ Drama? Man, I don't know.

Next one. God. Faith. I don't know how I met that, nigga. No. Next one. Are you signing a generation now? No, I love him.

I love DJ Drama. I just, I met him. We made some music. He's a really amazing dude. Shout out to him for making his fucking gangster grills with me. but let's talk about something else and we don't got that much time left. I would just hate for you to leave

and we didn't talk about the rap. Nick I rap. Listen to my shit. David Sebastian. One of the coldest niggas out there, for real. I mean, I got more close. I mean, I've been deep. Let's just like speed through it.

Speed racing. All right. Quit your job. Drop out of your school. Move out of your city. Leave your relationship. Start your business. Burn the bridge.

Sink the ships. Invest your last dollar. Leaving yourself, throw everything away that keeps you stuck to this identity you created to forget who you truly are. You sound like Picasso, nigger. Do you know, I don't know if it was Columbus, but one of these colonizers, when they took the ships over, right, and they came here, you know what they did? They blew up the boats. You know what? Go back, kid.

Everybody thinking I'm crazy. I say, where the fuck are these slaveships? Well, no, no, no. So that's a whole other thing, because we could get deep into that. Where are they? Because where are they? If there was hundreds of thousands of slave shit bringing it gets over, where are they?

Where are they? Just show me one of them, motherfuckers one. Okay, so that's a whole other thing. I see a dinosaur in the museum. And that ain't even a dinosaur. Bitch, where is the slave ship? I don't believe in dinosaurs. Yo, when you go to the dinosaur museum

and you see all them fucking big ass rocks, I asked them, I was like, are these real? They're like, no, they're replicas. Show me a real motherfucker dinosaur bone in. That shit ain't real. But what I'm saying is sink the ship. This is a jewel that you need for your life, right? They came over here, right?

And they touched down on land, and then they fucking burnt the ships. And everyone's like, what the fuck? Why are you guys? Because you're either going to conquer this motherfucker or you're going to die. You can't leave. There ain't no going back.

So we either going to get what we came for them or you're going to die. And I feel like we all need to do that in our life. We need to sink the ship. A lot of us got plan Bs, playing Cs, you know what I mean, things that keep us in our comfort zone. Like, you know, I'm going to do this, but I got to keep this job because I need to pay my rent. That's why I got my first face tattoo.

My first neck tattoo when I was like 17 years old because I told myself I ain't never getting a job. Are you just like me? I got my face tattoo. I worked a job for like six years, seven years. And these motherfuckers was like, I'm going to fire you. But the whole time was like, you know what? I'm going to quit this motherfucking job.

But just so I can't come back here, I'm going to get a tattoo on my face. So y'all won't hire me. Just because so if I ever said, you know what, plan B, I'm going to go back to work. These niggas can't hire me. Bro, you sunk the ship. And I don't know if you've ever been through bad times But look where you at now You ain't working a job, right?

Kind of. But you ain't working that time. I'm, yeah, I ain't working no shit that I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is something that I love. That you love, right? Yeah. So, I guess, sink the ship in your life.

You know what I mean? A lot of us are stuck to relationships that we have no business being in. Lead that nigga, lead that girl. You know, you're in a job. that you hate but you're doing it to pay rent leave your job i promise you you might struggle for a month but the universe can only open up a gateway the second you show what faith and then it happens so that whole thing was just we're all playing a game we're all characters in this magical movie

called life and a lot of us build identities that keep us stuck in this character burn that shit start over. To literally just fucking start over. So that's what that means. I mean, a real artist will always say that. A real artist always know you can't fuck up. There's no way you can fuck up. Paint that bitch back white and start over.

Yo, you ever been to the beach? Yeah. You ever looked at the ocean? Have you ever seen an imperfect wave? I don't know what a perfect wave is. I mean, have you ever looked at the ocean and said, this don't look right? No. Have you ever looked up at a tree and was like, this tree just don't, that branch is off?

Or the sky or fucking bird. Everything is perfect. There's no such thing as imperfection. Our fucking human ego created the idea of imperfection to like make us, like, you know, like so you feel me? So none of this shit is. I'm thinking of what you're putting down. You feel me? Pick that shit up.

I'm just saying like it's all perfect. Every single thing. So you look at women and all women and be like, damn, she's a bad one. All of them. Short, plus size, albino, dwarfs, all of them. You're there with it. I'm there with it.

At the same time. I love it. No, I love that. Let's get back on that slave ship shit. Yeah. Because a lot of people ain't kind of, I haven't broken. it down all the way. I need to do a little bit more research on that. But just my common sense tells me that...

Niggas was here already? Niggas was here already. Niggas was here. Niggas was here already. We was here. And then they created... I'm not saying that there wasn't a slave trade and that there was a... I don't know how many boats. But I'm sure there was some boats. But I think they propagated it to make it look like it was hundreds of thousands coming from fucking the motherland. because if you knew, like if you knew this was your

motherfucking house and you didn't come from over there and they give you a bunch of slave movies to really dig it in and fucking paint a... It's like your home. If this is your home, right? And someone comes through the door and say, I own this shit now. Like, nigga, this is my shit.

What the fuck you're talking about? But if they come in here, right? And then tell a story that this ain't your shit. You actually came from all the way over there and said a generation to generation to now when you're in your own home, you're like, this ain't even mine. I'm, I come from over there. It's a different territory.

You know what I mean? Niggas been here. Niggas being here for sure. What did you think about Kanye saying Rosa Parks was a puppet? He said that? Yeah. This is crazy. He said Rosa Parks is a puppet?

A puppet, like a metaphorical puppet? Well, so, I mean. Eventually, we end up getting a breakdown for it. You just gave me an idea. I should do the fucking, the slate, like, what do you call the Rosa Parks and the Mokin? Like the Muppets, like a Muppet version of the motherfucker. Like actually, yeah, Rosa Parks is like a sock puppet. If you do that, you might as well say the other shit you didn't want to say.

Because that's the lead motherfuckers that getting castled, huh, right? He said Rosa Parks was a puppet. Damn. Well, actually put in the media, you know what I'm saying, to train the media, what was going on. Because they're, so supposedly from, and I end up finding this, learning this yesterday amongst the rest of No Jumper staff, that there was a 16-year-old girl who actually had a similar story to Rosa Parks prior to the Rosa Parks, that actual situation. But the reason why that one wasn't promoted was because she was pregnant. Okay. And her features didn't really follow through with the identity what they was trying to put out.

What she likes skin? Dark skin. Okay. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So those are the parts. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know about that. I don't like to speak on shit.

I don't know. But I will say this. A lot of that shit is controlled. A lot of it's like white supremacy controlling black narratives to keep niggas and slaves. So it wouldn't like, it wouldn't surprise me. Like a lot of people Like the you know that you think is like Rah Rah Rah they got like

Puppet strings and they're being dangled In front of niggas to be like the poster child For this one really they're like Brought and Paid for Yeah that's what it was So the Civil Rackett I'm not saying Rosa Parks is that I don't know her Yeah don't do that

But I think a lot of stuff was like You know Yeah it was like It wasn't real it was propaganda for real Like a lot of those things weren't real No A lot of that media shit was definitely made up. A lot of those pictures and

a lot of those movies. Everything was taught in having us, our minds trained to think a different way for sure. What if I told you this? This might be a high thought, but what if I told you that nothing existed? The only thing that is existed is in your lifetime. And there's a script that keeps getting propagated to tell you about

history to give you some sense of reality and some history, but really the only thing that's ever existed is the Now? Well, that's actually how I feel. Really? Yeah, so one day I was high as hell. Off of what? I got this little weed pen. Okay. And I was smoking a pen and I was about to go to sleep and I said, damn, one day, the lights were just going to completely shut off.

I'm never going to, like, it's going to be it. Like, it's just going to be, literally it's going to be black. Black. I'll die one day. Yeah. Does anything actually exist outside of what I'm seeing right now? Do you have a lighter? No. Do you have a lighter? It has to be one on a table.

Can someone throw me a lighter? You see it, right? It doesn't it hurt. I'm sure you can smell my flesh burning. Why doesn't it hurt? You smell that? I don't really. Yes, okay.

It's real. My shit's on fire. Why doesn't it hurt? because I have mastered my mind there is no pain man wrap this shit up this way

you're fucking with me I really love this shit what's going on here I love like this nigga like he crazy and the motherfucker I fuck with him though I really love this thing I've been knowing this nigga for a long time

So I'm just really ready to sit up here and get this shit off. You got to come here and get this shit off real quick. I love it, man. You know, she was really doing her due diligence. She was really studying you, you feel what's going on, because she really had no fucking clue. You did your shit. You did your shit.

Thank you. But to explain that, and this might be the martini of the show, when you were a kid, right, you had no. no idea what pain was, right? You would jump off of shit, you'd fall, you'd cry. But most of the time, like, you ever see, like, a little kid, like, touch a stove, and, like, he don't even feel it, but the parents like, yo, don't do that. It's hot.

And he looks and he's like, whee-ah, you know what I mean? Or have a delayed reaction where he'll fall. Then the parent would say something, and he'll cry. You got kids. So, like, have you ever noticed that? Mm-hmm. He's like, oh, it's supposed to hurt. It's supposed her.

I said, gotta cry. Fuck it. Yeah, we're teaching people. to experience pain. But in reality, that shit don't even exist if you can master your mind. So I cut off,

like, you see this like burn right here? This was the day I realized that everything I thought was real wasn't. Literally just set my shit on fire and I'm like looking at it and not feeling nothing. I think that's a part of Christ's consciousness. When Jesus was getting beat

like knowing that you're not your body, you're not your brain. You're not this. You're so much more infinite. Once you can disconnect from your identity, then you can truly be free. Now you can wrap that up. I'm a little step.

I love this man. You know what I'm saying? Before we get out of here, David, I need people to know where they can find you, where they can find your music. Look inside yourself. Close your eyes and you'll find me. Say my name seven times and I will be there.

I love you guys Thank you for kicking in with us we really appreciate this let's do it again Yes Yeah that's definitely do this again I think A few people on this platform

I have a field day with you Not like that pause But they'll definitely enjoy speaking to you You know what I'm saying And you know on a different level You know what I got some big shit popping Like 2023 Some big shit popping

So as those things develop, I would love to come back. And you say you got a platform. What's your platform? So it's called Geniverse. I produce Cyphers for Up and Coming artists. And it comes out on Swamp. Is it all women or like men? No, the production is all women.

Okay. Well, I love to rap on your shit. You know what I mean? Please. You know? Thank you. I know you always got some shit popping like keep me in mind. You know what I mean?

For sure. We got to support each other, you know what I mean? And how's the Us Kid Road thing doing downtown? What do you mean? the building because didn't you paint that shit like lime green? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I passed down there on the corner, I'm like, who the fuck did this? Nick was like, David did this shit.

Well, that building is now currently owned by Cowboy. You know, Cowboy? What? Cowboy. Nipsy's on. From Six-O? Yeah, he owned a building. He owns the building.

He sells Cowboys hot dogs. He has a fucking Cowboys breakfast in. That nigga has everything there. Like, Cowboys' my house. My, nigga, he is the true definition of a fucking hustler, dog. Like, I met this nigga, and he was like, he was like, yo, you need to paint a building. I'm like, yeah.

I was like, yo, I'm going to hire someone two days. He was, no, no, no, no, give me two hours. I said, Nick, you about to paint this entire building in two, and he said, give me two hours. I came back two hours. This nigga painted a fucking 40-store. This nigga's crazy, dog. I fuck with Cowboys.

Shout out the Cowboy. But we moved from there, and now we're about to get a huge, like, 20,000 square foot space downtown to be able to do like 360 degree rehabilitation, housing, manufacturing, rehabilitation. All for Skid Row and a homeless. Yeah. I like that. I like that.

And when is that to come? No, 223. 23. Yeah. Congratulations. Congratulations on that, bro. But, yeah, that will conclude this interview, man. I love my boy.

Hope to have them back. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if you want to catch me on anything, back on fig, make sure y'all subscribe to that. Don't worry about nothing. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, every Wednesday, catch me live, catch her on the Monday show every Monday. And yeah, we're gone.

Yeah.