No Jumper - DB Tha General on Being the First Bay Area Drill Rapper, Philthy Rich, Mozzy, EBK Jaaybo & More

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

DB Tha General talks about his impact on the Bay, his career, politics, Kreayshawn, Philthy Rich, Mozzy, Lavish D, and more! ----- Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumber. Coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here today. Doing it big. DB the General, DB the General, King Oak and Gas guys. Shout on Adam. You already know y'all.

We're about to like this. Let's do it. How are you feeling? I'm good. I'm good. I just had the little jet lag. Whatever than that. I'm cool.

And as we established off camera, jet lag does not typically happen from northern to southern. Right, right. California would typically take place while traveling laterally across the United States or any other part of the earth. But I'll respect it either way.

Jet lag. You get on a plane. Right. Do you have to medicate for the plane? I do smoke before I get on a plane. I ain't a lie. Yeah. But I don't know why planes do that to you.

It's like, like, drain you. Yeah. I don't know why I do that shit. Something about sitting in a vibrating chair for 45 minutes. Okay, maybe that's it. You can just hit Brookstone. Right. I don't know.

But anyway, yeah, I mean, I think it's good that we get in here. We should lay out the whole story of how DB became a thing. Right. Let's get into that before we talk about. anything that's going on in the world today. That right, right, right, right. Tell me a little bit about the upbringing. Well, I've been rapping in my whole life, though,

but I'm going to say professionally DB, though, for like 15 years, you feel me? I'm like the first, as they say, I'm like the first drill rapper in the bay. I'm like the chief key, you know what I'm saying? So it's like after the hyphy movement is DB era coming off the hyphy movement. You feel me? Around this time, I think that everybody was looking at the bay like y'all on some clowns. on shit, you feel me? So I kind of like went back more 1990, like

I'll say mob era, like more G-phone, like kind of towards that. And I just came with some, some just tripping as music, you feel me though? So that's what everybody tell me. You tell me if I'm wrong, but the Hafei movement was largely characterized by being like mostly positive. Right, right. Hell yeah. It's not

some gang banging wild shit. It's mostly like party music. Let's have fun. Let's dance. Let's be outside. Crazy loud, upbeat music. Yeah, that was party music. I'm a party music. You were like, this. Right. We're killing people.

Right. Right. Oh, anything. Because at that time, you feel me? I feel like Oakland and not even Oakland, the whole barrier. Everybody forming like hell of cliques. You feel me, though? So these clicks, you know, like later on, a click going to form into a gang.

You feel me, though? So my upbringing in Oakland, the Oakland don't gang bang. That ain't what, oh, you're like, we don't do that, but you'm saying? But my generation, we changed that. You know what my generation, like after 05, like all my, we all start banging gang, start banging cliques and hell of shit. So it's like, there's like a secret that nobody didn't know about in Northern California. And I'm telling everybody like, nah, we do the same thing everybody else do.

We just ain't no color. Right. Like you say no killer, bro. But niggas, my mom and they're banging for show. You know what's funny that was like, I remember back in the day talking to people from the bay and then being like, we don't gang bang. We just, we block bang or whatever. Right, right.

That was the thing. But when I think about it now, I'm like, it's the same exact thing. It's the same thing. It's like, what's the difference. It's the same thing. There's no gang without neighborhoods. Right, right. You know what I'm saying?

So after everybody realizes the same thing, I was trying to basically speak for that side of the culture. Nobody wasn't rapping like that at that time. I'm like, nah, I'm going about what's really going on outside of Oakland. I'm going to tell the truth. Who are you not giving credit to? Because I feel like, nah, we were rapping about shooting people. Nah, they can't see it. No.

Nope. Everybody who watching is going to be like, he faxed. Everybody from North of California going to know DVA line where he kicked off drill music like on some mob gangs and shit in the bay. You feel me, though. Nobody wasn't rapping like how I was rapping. My first video was called, I'd knock you down. And my first video, I'd knock you down.

So I came in. That was my first video on YouTube. And what year are we talking? This is probably like 05. 06. Were you mostly like talking about street beefs? Or were you talking about rapper beefs from the beginning? Because it turned into a lot of rapper beefs as time on a little bit.

I was on that. Everybody going to tell you, I was on that before Chicago. I was on that before everybody. I was talking about real beef in Oakland. You feel me? So I was on this before everybody, bro. And everybody was rocking with that shit. So I was already on that type of height.

Right. Was it, what was your life like before that, though? You've been in the streets since a real young age? I fell into the streets probably around like 15. You feel me? Because my mom got sick and then my dad in the pen. So that's how I kind of fell into the streets. But other than that, I always said people, I had a good upbring.

Like my mama was, my mama is a strong woman and my daddy a strict person. So I tell me like, nah, they was on me just that when I'm turning like 15 years old, my mama got sick and then my daddy went to the pen. So that's how I ended up being in the streets, you feel me? Really? So you just went from having like a happy home to all of a sudden you just solo Dola all here? Right. So everybody like, oh, I see what you.

So that's what happened with you. I'm like, yeah, where, like, my mom got sick and we got, you know, you start moving around with your family members and shit. You feel me? And I'm going to my dad house and I'm going around other family members. So, hell yeah, that's when I started robbing houses. That. That was the play at the time.

At my time. My time, I'm out here. I think they was calling flocking. So, yeah, the Bay, my area, too. Like, everybody was robbing houses. I'm, I'm, I'm one of the pioneers in it, too. Oh, my rob. Hell of house.

What's the game plan? You stake the house out or you just, go and knock on it and try to find an empty one. My plan was knock on the door. That's your going to let you know if somebody in there. You got a beat on that. You got knock on the door, check, look around and shit. If somebody answered, nigger, that's somebody in that.

That was my plan. You know what I'm saying? I was in that movie. Then they had made that movie called Paper Soldiers. Paper Soldiers was about breaking the houses. And me and my niggas was watching that. Damon Dash movie. We were like, that shit was fucking already here.

Wow. That's crazy. Oh, everything. What's the most you ever took up out of house? like what's the best score you could potentially find in a house? Obviously like a box full of money would probably be the best thing. But how often does that happen? Man, I ain't never found no fucking box.

But all my niggas did, though. They was hitting, niggas was finding money, nigger in Florida, niggas was finding hell of money. But I think like one of our biggest scores, I think I took out of one house, I took hell of shit,

brother, the flash screen, the game, the video game. I even took the DVDs, bro. I took every big. I ain't gonna lie. I used to be, oh, one time I walked,

walking down from the, He was in Oakland with two big ass duffel bags in a car pulled up on me. Like, where are you coming from? And I made up a lie. Like, I played basketball. I just came from the gym, bro. You feel me? Like, I made up an all lie, bro.

They fell for it on their life. All right. Keep on going. But they didn't know. I had hell of people of shit in there, though. So it's like, I used to wake up every morning and do that. Wow. That's how I was surviving, basically.

You know what I'm saying? Because I ain't around my mom and my dad, y'all. Wow. That's crazy. The flocking shit is nuts. Do you feel like it just like kind of took off from there and just became more and more popular? to the point where now I hear about people like they get their houses robbed and all they're taking is like the designer shit.

Right, right. That is true. Which it is kind of logical because it's like realistically, you can have a $3,000 Gucci bag this big. Right, right. I mean, the whole TV is like a thousand bucks. Right. It's like gigantic.

You know, you might get a couple thousand for the TV too, but it's like if a purse is this big, if a pair of heels is that, you know, you can flip that shit pretty quick. Yeah, yeah. I used to always look for electronics and I was on with them, uh, max, this max, you know, the The laptop Macs, feel me? I knew that's bands right there. I knew I had demophore. I was getting them.

I'm like, that's worth money, bro. You feel me? You get all IMAQ products. I used to get all IMAX products. I used to get all IMA probably. Like, that shit gonna be worth money, period. And that shit still worth money to this day. Nica, Apple, still Steve Jobs, still killing their ass for the grade.

Shout out Steve Jobs. I love his ad. So you were mostly a hustler as opposed to like really being focused on beefing and shit at that point? Or when did that kind of become more of a focal point? I ain't going to lie, bro. I'm selling drugs, too. I sold weed. Like I said, I sold crack.

You know what I'm saying? I'm doing all the type of shit just to try to get money. But once I think I go to jail. Once I go to jail and I get out of jail, now I'm taking rap sears. Now I got to take rap serious. My ass then went to jail. You know how they basically say, if you don't do nothing, we're going to keep sending your ass to jail.

You know what I'm saying? So I had to take rap sears or I would have kept going to jail. Now I got to get serious. Right. What was jail like, though? Does that change your whole experience much or not? I wrote, welcome to the Navy in jail. hell yeah i tell everybody we were just talking about deal

before you walked in this i'm talking to all you yuck that's that shit that shit is hell that bullpen therapy. Leigh your ass in them goddamn rooms for hell of my fucking alone trying to break your spirit saying you on hell of dry runs you go on the court dates it ain't really a court and day your name on the counter

I'm like so that shit is like brainwashing but we were just talking about that shit the the most humiliating thing is like the squat and cough like you know somebody looking at your ass naked like they know that shit right there I don't know who the fuck made up that. That shit ain't cool, though, man.

But the squat and cough, you feel me, leaving you in the bullpen for hell alone, trying to break your spirit, sending you on dry runs. I don't know why. We glorified. What is a dry run? Your dry run is you go on the court, but you ain't got court.

Oh, so they kind of like trick you into thinking that you might be getting out, but you actually just there for no reason. Your name could be on the calendar, but that don't mean that, you feel me, once you really actually get down there and they see it's like, nah, nigga,

your ass just got woke up out your bed for no reason. Your ass then went down here. And now your ass hell of mad. Every real nigga go know what I'm saying. Like, he ain't lying. That shit is not cool. I mean, with the squatting and coffin, like, think about how many people had to hide shit in their assholes before that became like a everyday thing. Right.

Ooh, people probably got away. Hey, you know what that's crazy? You brought that up because, man, my first time going to read a bro, I had some weed in one. I had weed in one shoe and I had a blunt in another pocket. And I got scared, y'all in the bullpen. And I gave that shit away. And then when I got to my, to my, um, to my pot. I guess like word got back.

You know what I'm saying that somebody was giving out weed. So everybody's like, who had some weed? And I told my nigga, I'm like, that was me, bro. He's like, you gave away some weed? I'm like, hell yeah, I got spooked. He's like, what the f***es you doing? Be it's the weed. You gave what?

I'm like, bro. I had a 10 bag in my under my shoe and I had a blood in his pocket. He's like, you gave it away, bro? You know how much money you just gave away? I'm sorry, y'all. This is my first time in jail. So I don't know, I'm getting smoked. Like, I'm like, they're going to catch me with this shit.

They got get that shit away in a bullpen. He's like, you don't know what you just did, but you just gave away hell of money. And then I hear people talking about it and shit, like some youngsters gave away some weed. I feel hell and stupid. But I learned my lesson right there, though, like, nah, nigga, you can get in with that shit. And you already passed all the searching this shit. I was already passed all that shit. I just got smoked, nigga.

Yeah. You like, you was good, bro. You should have got that shit in here. Oh, man. I mean, a blunt is such a luxurious thing in jail. Like, it's just so big and loud and just thanks to me. hell and it's like if you really just want to get high right i mean a blunt's nice but it's not like the most efficient way to do it so in jail it just must seem like a fucking five-star dinner

and you don't need the crazy you don't need that much weed i don't know why in jail you don't need that much weed to get high yeah like you could take like a like a little roach like that and it probably you can fry right right right just because you're sober you can really sense it when you want all kinds of other drugs and you're smoking weed you can barely even notice it right right right right right as i get older the more i feel like the weed actually like gets me really fucking hot. Right, right, right.

When I was younger, sometimes I would be able to just kind of ignore it. The older I get the more, but maybe it's just because the weed keeps getting gnarly or I don't know. Right, right, right. I ain't gonna lie because somebody just told my ass like,

bro, weed ain't how I used to be back in the day. I'm like, nah, I think that shit's stronger, really how I used to be back in the day. But I could say though, we all used to smoke a swisser, a tin bag of Swisser and be fucking lit. We was high now to where we put an eighth in a backwood, like the blunt got to be big.

gotta be I'm like you know I ain't think about that he like but we wasn't smoking that much weed bro I'm like we wasn't yeah and the weeds way stronger and then you're smoking way more of it or anything I'm like you ain't lie he like brunnel we smoke way more weed I'm like you ain't lying because that little tin little blunt that little swisher that shit wasn't you right I used to be I'm a real weed though you're like on burner snoop level you know how right now though I'm a little bit I'm a little bit hot they said you were sleeping on the couch out there I was I was oh god that play that's what I said that shit me up but then I smoke the blood brad gave me some zad he got gas

brad gave me some zy then i was out of there but i'm a real weird head y'all and i'm i seen cookies before hell of people seen cookies i've been seeing that shout out burner shout out my ex-manager stretch you'm saying so i had flew out here to l a minute ago you feel me i flew out here to um get on crayshine album you feel me and we at the house recently you know no this hell no this hell oh no this hells no this hells no what's it's oh

i'm saying this is when i first see cookies you know what i'm saying and stretch tell me like open the bottom drawer and get some weed. I'm about to go back to the bay. And I ain't gonna never forget. I'm like this weed look hell ugly, bro. Like some meal doing like, you show this weed? He like, it's cookies. You feel me? So I always tell people like, I seen that shit before anybody, bro. Oh my mama. I seen that shit before anybody. And I smoked it too. And I was hell of high. Brow. He's like, I'm telling you, nigga, cookies. That shit coming out. So shout out burner. He came with that shit. He did that.

No, that's a fact. Shout out the burner. Okay. So then when did you actually decide to start rapping or was it because of any particular issues you had in the street or this is just your idea of how you were going to get out of this? I always loved it. It already was my dream. My big brother used to rap. So my big brother taught me how to rap as a kid. I always knew how to rap. You know what I'm saying? It's just that nigga in the street trying to survive.

Niggins trying to get money, you feel me? But I always knew how to rap though. I just didn't really, you know what I'm saying? Show it. Just play it all the time. You feel me? But once I took his Sears, it took off a show. I'm like, I'm like for show, LimeWire, MySpace. Like right there. I'm right there. I'm right there my mama though shout out little b the bass guy because we and he was doing the same thing so

i'm the gas guy he base guy that's my brother so we both me and little b tow up youtube at the same time exactly the same time you're on the same time you're on the same time you were on a little bit more the street shit and he was a little bit more abstract exactly but we both um as they would say youtube sensations okay we both were on my mama on god but you felt it right away like damn me talking about all the street shit is going to blow my music up and make people super interested even if they maybe don't know every single person involved right right right i mean everybody already something like you rap different bro like you talented your shit sound way hell a different so everybody's talking all you got to do is keep doing what you was doing everybody

just keep doing what you're doing i just kept i just stayed focused but the streets could distract your ass easy in oakland anywhere you i'm saying but i knew that if you really want to take care of yourself but you really want to make money off of music you got to stay focused and then like i said and now around this time i'm starting to like rub shoulders and meet like all the pioneers from the bag like i said show like my uncle you know what i'm saying so once we get but with show i always tell people that I learned this from two show, brothers came by the show mouth to make people understand what the I'm saying, like, this came from somebody who knew

what he was talking about. That's why I'm still doing. I'm saying? Like, that's the guy father in the bay, bro. That's my uncle. You know me, that's my uncle. You know what I'm saying? So I learned hell of shit from him. That's how I know how to move. He was actually sitting down with you and giving you advice and shit earlier on, or you was just observing him? Nah, hell no. The first time, like I said, I go to this place called Youth Uprising, y'all,

R.P. Boo. Boo, is show manager. He run this center. You, I'm saying, so R. R. R. R. R. R. I'm saying, So R.P. Boo, Lamb Fah, I love you, boo. I swear to God. But anyway, he, um, he take us to, uh, to downtown Oakland to, supposed to be the two short studio. And the first time I really locked in, we moved with this nigga out of his house. You know what I'm saying? So we moved with him out of his house. So I tell him, like, but the first time I really liked there was show, bro, I was moving

this furniture out his goddamn house. So everybody like, that's big, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, so that's how I knew this shit was real. We inside this nigga house. I'm like, I think I'm in two short house, bro. You know what I'm saying? So we move and shit. We was locked in every since then. So I got like a close relationship with him.

We just all pull up to the studio, always rap, give his hell of a game. I've been to his compound out here hell of time. You know what I'm saying? So I've been trying to. But when I think about Too Short, he's somebody who, you know, always kind of made music that at least had like a chance of being popular. Right, right. In comparison to like a lot of the drill stuff, a lot of the street stuff. Right, right.

It's like, hey, we're going to tell you about this beef between this neighborhood and this neighborhood. Right, right. Realistically, probably going to appeal to a very small percentage of people. but you know it's like those people are going to go nuts for it but like from your perspective you still saw like the street shit as like kind of your way into the game yeah yeah i felt like at that time in the bay it wasn't nobody like that and show told me too he like you know the bay is more of a pimp a player persona you feel me so he like a gangster nigga from the bay like nigga you gonna have to go to l a you feel me like nigga

you gonna embrace you that's that's the nigger that's the gang banging bro so i already knew that but all my peers and everybody around me More was either talking about either selling drugs like drug rap or a pimp or a player shit. But that's interesting that too sure would say that because I feel like in terms of LA street dudes, it's almost like it possible to tell them about anything going on outside of LA. Right. Like now sometimes these dudes are interested in like Chicago shit or whatever from YouTube. But I feel like I've never heard of L.A. dude really like they're definitely out there,

but like they don't really seem like they're super interested or knowledgeable about what's going on up north, right? show got shod got crips and he can't some cribs show dey's he got cribs in his feet family says some cribs they used to be at the studio

all the time so show no what's up I'm like oh show you know so show is the really first epitome Bay L.A. nigga you know what I'm saying I'm like I gotta keep that

I got to keep that alive and then Tupac did it again you know what I'm saying the Bay L.A. nigga kind of and who else I think I miss one more person like you like a Bay L.A.

Nick a lot of people I'd be saying that shit I'm like and that's kind of my goal where I want to bring really the Bay in L.A. together and show Ben told me you could do it. I've been on this mission for a minute. You feel like I'm trying to bring the Bay and L.A.

together. I feel like California come together. All the rest of these states will be, they'd be done because everybody copy off us. It is so interesting because there are like, like, somebody like Mazi is like super well liked in L.A. They with them. Right, right.

But at the same time, you do kind of feel like people look at him like he's from a different country compared to L.A. Right, right. Right. Different slang. Different player to it. Oh, my own thing. He got that North.

He got that Bay influence. them you know what I'm saying so I tell people all the time a Sacramento nigga and a um Stockton nigga gonna be influenced from L.A. up here in the bay they like a breed of that I'm like so they're gonna be kind of different bro they're like oh I see what you saying you're saying so Mazzie you'm saying shout out bro too he go crazy my mom and his his his persona gonna come off like a bay nigga I'm saying but when it comes to some street shit it's gonna be some blood shit you feel me so I'm like he got a cool mix too you I'm saying so that's gonna work me that's gonna work but like I just told your security guard out there I'm talking to all y'all niggas out there

of a bay nigga go to jail, eat, politic with crips, bluds, bait, nigga. Then we get out of jail and nil. Niggum. Nigger, we're supposed to be still rocking together. Nigger, you better still call my phone. That drive ain't that for it.

But L.A. is a hater-ass city in terms of, like, music shit because even, like, a lot of L.A. rappers will tell me, it ain't like the dudes who already made it are trying to just come and do a song with me. You know, just to, like, lift me up. It's like, if they sign you, they'll fuck with you. But for the most part, dudes are not really. like with the smaller artists in L.A.

Unless they have like a real reason to. I remember Glass has told me that. Glass is the first artist I'd rap with from L.A. This was when I was a young kid. You know what I'm saying? I got to the first with him. Shout out of Glass. I'm saying.

He used to tell me that shit too. Like, D.B. It ain't that easy. Niggins like L.A. Niggins like the same shit. I'm like, oh. But people think that because of Hollywood, you know,

and the labels and all that shit right here. That's why everybody think, where everybody thinks, where everybody think that. Everybody like, now you go to L.A., you're going to get more Jews. You're going to get more attraction. thing with New York, but then like, same thing with New York and L.A. They both have crazy-ass street shit going on that is mostly completely separate from the labels and stuff.

Like a label, I've seen it a million times where the labels in L.A. love to sign a drill rapper from the Bronx or from Chicago. But I remember even when I was signed Atlantic, I was like, I want to sign Draco. That's great. They're like, it's a lot of, it's messy. You know, they probably knew more than I knew. Right, right. But they knew that it was.

It was going to be a lot and it was going to be in their backyard. Right, right. And that to them is probably maybe not worth the risk. Right, right, right, right. I tell people see now when the situation come like that, that shit kind of make me mad because if I was a fucking rock and roll, artist or if I did some shit like that, do they go through shit like that?

That's what I tell people when they say, oh, I break, gangster rap. I'm like, nah, bro, it's hell of genres of music. I'm like, so do other people who did, what's his name, Ozzie and Osie? Nonsmore, nigga, but all bad heads and shit, did he go through that? Okay, biting the head off of bad is crazy.

That's crazy. But I'm going to be real with you. I've been paying attention to rock music and metal and everything. I know you know. That's why I'm asking you. For like 30 years. I know a lot about it. Okay.

Almost no deaths. Oh, okay. Maybe like a couple of like participants who killed each other and shit, but like not like hip, barely anywhere. I was like we could for sure sit here and think of 20 rappers or died this year. For sure. Which is pretty critical.

But it also says a lot about rap is like a zillion times more popular than rock music. Like the A&Rs I've talked to who signed rock bands. Right. A successful rock band is like, you know, 2% of like what they consider a successful rapper. It's like such a smaller market. But it is a strong market because people go to concerts and shit like crazy. Right, right, right.

There's definitely like a dream of blowing that kind of artist up, but it's so tiny in comparison to rap. Okay, okay, okay. I like the way you broke that down. Like, nah, hip hop got way more. And you know what? That's because they push that shit out there the most. So I get it.

It's pushed and everybody face the most. You feel me? Because sometimes I don't be really understanding. I just seen the clip and I posted on my story. I told you everybody, I agree with what this nigga said. Basically what he said is that how could a song or our posts or the internet, I don't give a fuck make, make, now we own demon time, now we own some gangster shit. It should have already been like that.

Like the song in the internet should make me now be gangster. If you already like that. If we already like that, we're on that type of time. I'm like, bro, I say this to every, I'm about everybody. Everybody will say, no, the internet, DB. I'm like, I ain't never going to agree with that shit. I'm not, bro. I'm like, nah, bro.

Like, what happens in real reality, bruh. and what happened on that phone is two different things. But I'm not saying that, y'all, somebody can't do something on the Internet and it go to reality, you know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying that I still got to judge it from the perspective of what happened in reality. You know what I'm saying?

I can't just look at on people's phone, bro, and look at hell of videos and be like, his own, it's phone, it's war, what's the name of them, it's coming? Like, no, tell me about a real incident that happened in real life. Then I'm going to say, that's just serious over there. That's all I'm saying, bro.

You know what I can't just go off for that. I'm like, I got to know something happening in real life. You feel? He's like, then I know like, now that's real beef. I don't get a fuck about the songs. I say, oh, that's real beef then, y'all. So you can't pay attention to Kendrick and Drake because there's no body's dropping? I know, everybody knows that's fake.

Man, that's shit fake. It's like, everybody know that shit fake. But I do like that for the state of culture crime because this is one reason why I like that, though. Drake is Richard and Kendrick. Some people judge music success or who got the most shit. This is the only battle that didn't come up. You feel me? Everybody just judged straight off a skill.

So I liked it that part. That's true. Everybody clearly know Drake living way better than They both got enough money that neither of them could call each other broke. Right. I like that part. If you both got a hundred million plus?

I liked it that part. To all of us down here. We can't talk about that. We can't talk about that on this battle. Y'all are super rich. We got nothing to say. Exactly. You can't bring that up.

I liked it that by that. I liked it that by that. I liked it that by that. I like that ain't talking about who got the most money, but I liked that in the bag. I'm like, I hate when niggas bring that. Oh, but what's the name rich. Nick, it's supposed to be about the fucking song,

though. I'm like, what do you say on the song? I don't care, bro, what's the name of them eating more? I'm like, that nigga weak, though. Nick, you're supposed to judge it off. That's why I like Kendrick and Drake was the first battle. Everybody just judged on who came the hardest on the song off straight skill. Because like you said, they both are rich as we ain't about to bring that up.

Right. Like, we ain't about to breathe that up, right? So was Filthy Rich the first, like, big beef that you had in rap? Or like, when did it start popping off? Nah, that's a good question. I'm glad you asked me that. Nope. HD tried me first.

You feel me a rapper from another nigga from the town. He tried to record me on the phone. everybody didn't try me. Hell of people didn't try me. I just didn't respond. He was just the first respond. You feel me? He was the first respond.

So did you not come out dissing rappers, but then all the rappers decided to take aim at you because you're a pop and shit? On his lane. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, hell no, I ain't never started. No, I'm glad you had said, I ain't never started. No beef, no problem with nobody, y'all. Never in my whole career.

They all came at me. And they come at me and I defend myself. And then I last shout and y'all, y'all, he took it too far. And I'm just telling you all. A Gemini, I'm like Kendri. we'll take it too far. I'm like, Pacla, we will take it too far.

Red, don't come for no gym, but now, you're playing. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I didn't, you know what I'm saying? I didn't really,

he was just the only one I responded to. Everybody else I just ignored because they went on my level. You know what I'm saying? But he felt like he could cover. I'm like, nah, you're playing.

So that's the only reason why I responded. So this Macblast that I was listening to you with that was the first. That was your first, like big, because that shit was like huge. Right. That's the first one.

That's the first time everybody seen DB on some beef, this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Me and La, we come like that. You feel me? Responding to Filthy. Right. So that was our first time.

So I always tell people like, they like that video, but that shit, that shit looked like, no, nigga, you knickers on demon time. Right. Had that drill energy for sure. But I was, I knew how to do that good in Northern California. At that time, hell of people didn't know how to do that hell of good, bro. I just knew. And I was a fan of hell of gangster rap.

I grew up on hell of that shit. I just knew how to do that hell of good, bro. So I was like, I don't know why everybody else. kind of shied away from that and it's still kind of like that in the bay you'm saying like when you see an artist from the bay he always be like friendly yeah i'm saying so i don't be never want to uh speak on that because it come off bad or disspeck because i'm speaking for this street lane and then it looks like i'm hating on them you'm saying it's like now i'm not hating on them i'm just saying that people hear all this bad dangerous shit about oakland and nobody

never see a nigga like that that's a problem bro we never see that like mazie that was the closer that we got to northern california street nigga right you feel me so i'm like nobody never see that really from down there bro it always be a player nigger a pimp nigger or like a cool friendly rapper you feel me though so that's why this journey being hard bro that is smart but were you consciously being like yo i'm gonna bring that oh block energy to our sound okay you knew what i knew i knew i'm doing that on purpose for show i'm like nah we were just calling the active music get active we call it we was calling the active music you i'm saying because okay why why was philly or why was filthy rich dising you like it was just you

coming out and getting attention or was there more to it nah no no no i always tell people all the time he say i said some shit on the song but f*** that he lying he's mad over a bitch like every other war be behind a bitch you feel me that's really what it is so like the same one exactly he's with a girl that i end up with that's really why he hurt so he ain't ever go tell nobody that i'm like nah it was over a bitch and when i said everybody look at me and say you right now it makes sense because everybody like you right because that's what every fucking war it'd be over but it's a female somewhere in that shit but was it like a real serious main bitch situation no exactly he know how we get down in the bait. It wasn't like that.

You're not supposed to have funk over. Exactly. Right. And you're supposed to beat his P. Yeah. So that. Exactly. So I thought that nigga, he would, but that's really what is over. So everybody would be like, that shit being going for too long as deeper than music. So what was your relationship with lavish that you guys decided to do that's on together? We rocking together because he, he'll, he don't feel either. Right. At this time, you know, he'll f***. So we got the mutual in it. We own this nigga. We're going crazy. Everybody's, I ain't a lie. But the day that video dropped, bro. Trust me, my phone couldn't

stop ringing for nothing. Some people were scared. Some people never seen me come like that. The energy was up. Everybody like, I don't know. They were like, bro, I know what I'm doing? You feel? I know. So I'm saying, that right there was like one of the biggest beef songs in Northern California.

MacBlass, we show everybody know. So after that, me and Lab do our thing. You know what I'm saying? Phil go get Mazzie. You know what I'm saying? So Phil go get Mazzie. So some people don't know this how Mazzie coming to picture. This is how Sacramento coming in the picture.

You know what I'm saying? So Mazzie wasn't huge before this. This was like really when people started seeing him? Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying. He's doing this thing. but I ain't going to say he's out there into the light.

I'm saying? So Phil go get him. You know what I'm saying? So I sit back and look at this picture like, now I can't come at him. I don't know him from a can of paint. I don't know shit about him, I'm saying, and already walked your bitch ass down

like 30 times. So I can't really go at him, brother. He ain't he a raw ass rapper. But everybody's saying that he's laugh and just laugh at him. You know what I'm saying? His ass go to jail. He out the damn pitcher.

So I'm left like this by myself against this whole fucking arsenal. You know what I'm saying? So that's how Mazzie end up. Mazzie just keep climbing. he's going crazy. I'm saying, and I salute him. I let him do his thing.

Like, I ain't got no problem with him. I don't got no problem with him. I'm like, do your thing, bro. You feel me? That nigga. So then Mazi end up falling out with filthy over miss. Right. So everybody like, right.

I'm like, so Mazzie no, too. That niggas are weird old magic donkey ass niggas. So everybody like, that nigga is weird, bro. So everybody starts seeing it, then he go kick it. Then he go click up a laugh. How the fuck you going to do that? So everybody like, what is you doing? I'm like, he's just all over the place, bro.

Wow. So then you ended up feeling like the odd man. because all of a sudden, right. You were like, you were squatted up with LaV and then all of a sudden, damn. You know what I'm saying?

But you never had a conversation with Lab? Like, all right, maybe we could smooth it over with Filthy now. It was just too. I get the idea that he still don't care for it. I think that he, from watching because he in jail and he ain't,

he can't, he ain't out. He can't see what's going on. I think he was just making his own shit up in the jail. Like when I get out, I'm about to go like being with filthy. I don't know he was thinking because everybody was asking me the same thing. Like, you weren't talking to lab, bro?

I'm like, nah. They're like, this shit, that seemed weird. But you weren't even tight with live like that. Right. You just did the song to go. You know what I'm saying? I don't know this nigga like, bro. You feel me?

And around that time, that's when I first experienced that, oh, you do a song with a nigga now you win a politics, aren't you, Brian? At this time, I don't know about none of this shit. I'm like, bro, I'm just doing a song with a nigga. We just made a big song, this nigga, bro. Y'all are taking it all out of context, you know what I'm saying? But I had to let Mazzie go crazy. You know what I'm like, I'm not about to.

He's, he rap like I rap. You know what I'm saying? he's from the struggle. I'm like, he on some gang shit. I see what I've been on all these years. You know what I'm saying? So he's just the one LA, y'all just end up seeing. You know what I'm saying?

But I already went crazy like that. You know what I'm saying? So I'll let bro go crazy. As I say, so salute to the fella, fella, fella. He already know what time it is. Oh, I'm going to fucking them niggas. Or anything. He knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Fuck them niggas, bro. And so Macblass was a response to swear to God. Right. So swear to God set it up, then you guys do Macbuzz. Right. Okay. But then after that is when the real Mozzie and Lavve It starts cracking off.

Now everybody, yeah, now it's getting all over the internet. Now the world kind of starting to know about these two people, I'm saying? But everybody just don't know that. It stems from that situation. You know what I'm saying? Some people don't know that, bro. Some people don't know like, damn, how that even happened? And they'd be like, damn, that's interesting.

That's a crazy-ass story. So I'm like, yeah, that's what happened, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, in the lane that I was speaking for, Mazee kind of is the same lane. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, nah, I'm going to let him do his thing. Because when you're speaking for the trenches,

bro, you're speaking for people who poor and people who don't got nothing and you're speaking for the what-nots. That's like we, too, pock babies. Like, we own some pock shit when we come like that. Mazzie come like that. I come like that. Like, that shit comes from like Black Panther

upbringing, bruh, to really care about your people and care about poverty and care about the struggle, bro. Everybody can't even come like that because everybody ain't raised like that. Everybody ain't even cut from that claw. But me and Mazi for sure is. So that's why I let them go crazy. Okay.

So you feel like that fucked up your motion in terms of like... Some people think it did. Right, because the biggest beef in Northern California history is going down, probably not the history, but it was huge at the time. No, it was. It was. Because the Bay don't be happy in the Bay. That's all we don't got that much shit. So in the Bay it was, that's all everybody's talking about. But so that meanwhile, you're kind of like not on either side. So what did that do to your career? They feel like it kind of slowed it? I'm always knew that I'm, I'm always knew that I'm, I'm going to wrap my ass off and I'm a good rapper. I'm saying. So I ended up making a song called The Crown. They do like a million views. Thizzler posted. Shout out M. Dubius. Shout out the Thizzler.

You know what I'm saying? So they posted it. It go up. you feel me they posted the crown and I'm still going crazy and then that's when this nerd-ass weird old ass niggas start throwing shots again so it makes our shit like it just keep on prolonging by the way I said people like he can't out rap me bro and I want to say this to the world real everybody

if you got a problem with a rapper and he's the better rapper you got a fucking problem because the only thing you really could do is go back in the fucking booth and defend that you can't go outside and be like I'm looking for niggas brimmy about to kill these niggas if it's just rap beef like I said it wasn't nothing prior to that you know what I'm saying now if it was something prior to

that then you could be like, nah, I'm talking about a nigga. You know what been happening in the dead homies. The niggas who did it. Okay, that makes sense, bro. But I'm saying if you and this person just got rap beep, you made your song, he made song, you cannot be like, I'm going outside, bro. I'm like, you're weak, mother-a-you're supposed to get your ass to the booth and try. Or you got to eat the ill.

Right. You got to eat the ill. This rap, this hip-hop, bro. You can't do that. You got to eat the hell. So I tell the people, they're like, you is right, though. It ain't shit you could do. It's crazy because if you're a rapper in a beef with another rapper and they're obviously

the better rapper, you have to somehow avoid the terms of the beef becoming who's the better rapper. Right, right. You already know you're going to lose that. Right. But that also, I mean, it's tough to make it about the streets or whatever if it's not really like that. They always bring the other shit. They always bring the other narrative. Because they know they ain't the better rapper. So I'm like, why everybody don't see

that? Whoever the last week rapper, he always bring up other shit. Personal shit, street shit or clothes, jewelry. He's going to come with something that I don't got nothing to do with the song and everybody be falling for that shit. And I'd be looking like, that's why I said I like Kendrick and Drake was the first one that everybody kept it on the music. I've just, I've been watching this Vince McMahon, WWF

documentary or whatever. There's a new one on Netflix. It's crazy, but like the, the crazy thing about it to me is how he very obviously is trying to like create good guys and bad guys. You know? You got your villains and you got your superheroes and it's crazy how in the-

It's like that in real life. But in the rap game, yeah, we do that to everybody. And we, and for some reason, Lil Durk and them are the good guys. And then meanwhile, all these FBG dudes are X'd out of hell opportunities. When you really think about how many people will not fuck with a GD rapper from Chicago, just on the basis of the- And they might not even fuck with dirt, but they would like to in the future. And they know that all the other cool rappers are with them.

So it's like, I'm going to stay away from fucking with his ops. And there's a lot of cities where that shit happens. And you just have your good guys and your bad guys in the fans' perspective. And a lot of times, from my perspective, I mean, they're all, good and bad guys. Right, right, right, right. One or the other, but to the fans, they're going to simplify it. To the fans, you're the villain in this one is, yeah, you're right.

That's how they're going to do it. I ain't going to lie. I think that since Chicago, being like the epitome of gang and, like, culture of y'all since back then, they is the first one that kind of like glorified it. I always said people like, nah, the West Coast and everybody else in the Midwest, we've been doing gangsters shit, but it wasn't like really put in our music in our song. Like Chicago really did that, but so it's like, now all the youngsters follow that culture. So it's like, and I can't say shit because I was,

doing the same shit in the bank. You know what I'm saying? So everybody like, everybody, you pre-drilled, nigga, you was doing the same thing. So when that shit started getting popping, I was really looking like, damn, because I was doing this. So I was like, I can't even say nothing. I was like, that shit spent out of control. Because Chicago took, how could I say, gangster rap just to another level, bro. And everybody see that shit. Like, they just did, bro. But shit is that where is that now? Ain't no turning back. Drill music is fully in effect. And like I said,

and I said, and I help. So I can't say shit. I know. It's crazy because it was like a very good thing for Chicago, but realistically, it's like how many people profited or benefited from it. It's not that many people in comparison to the influence that Chicago's drill era had on so many different parts of the world that basically just created like huge amounts of violence.

Right. I didn't know it was big in the UK like that. Oh, yeah. I didn't know. I didn't know they're like, hell of people do this shit. I'm like, that's manny. That's main. All over Europe. A lot of the, any, any place that has gangs are likely to start rapping. And if you like don't let your young dudes from your hood start rapping, then you're basically like old school as fucking. You're going to get left in the past. They're going to look at you like a relic.

Well, this is what I just told somebody. Because this bray, he's talking about this other rapper. I don't want to say his name because he pissing me to fuck off. I ain't going to lie. I swear the guy he pissing me off. And everybody knows what he is, but he's trying to push this shit like, you know, gangsta rap and street rap. And I always tell people, this is what Tupac said, you can't basically tell all the good and not tell the bad.

You can't tell both sides of the story. So I do, like you said, when you just broke it down with the villain in the good story and shit, like, no matter what the people going to do it anyway. you know what I'm saying so I'm like that's facts but it's it should always be two sides told like like you can't just make it like everything it's peaches and cream and clean out there in the world that's fake nigga it's for show people dying if it's show people going to jail if it's people getting killed so like somebody got to tell that story so like you said yeah he becomes the villain you'm saying but it's like somebody got to tell that story though bro you can't tell one side

so that's the only thing I tell people when they say when gangster rap or drill music is like killing hip hop or killing the youth or killing the new jersey I'd be like but if that's what's really going on outside but reality is reality your music post the reflect reality. You're supposed to reflect the times. You feel me? That comes from Nina Simone, bro. He's supposed to reflect the time. Whatever the going on, an artist's supposed to paint that and talk about that. Whatever the fuck going on.

But that's what's so upsetting about hip-hop to so many people is the fact that if you go back in time to somebody like Nas, who obviously was grown around all kinds of violence and shit. But his perspective on it was bigger. You know, he's describing the horrors. And yeah, he's talking about the shitty

likes. He's talking about the culture in general. But it doesn't sound like a wholehearted endorsement of it. Now, obviously, it's not fair to compare every rapper to Nas. It's like one of the greatest rappers of all time. That's a good example. Right, but like, I feel like that's the problem to a lot of people and what might like discuss a lot of people from rap, but also what brings in a lot of kids who are basically

enjoying drill music from like a true crime perspective. Right, right. Where it's like, yeah, these songs sound all right, but really I'm interested in who killed who. Right. And who hates who, et cetera. You know, that's what they're really. And it do buy and in a time. For sure.

Right. And it do be like that sometimes. so you ain't lying. That's a good way to say. Like, Nas, though. He was in the projects. He didn't come like that. My mama,

because I always compare, like, they eras, JZ, DMX, all them niggas. Like, you write, New York. For some reason, New York got like this thing to where it's like, nigga, this still going to be hip-pop. This still going to be some lyrical shit,

no matter what the fuck I'm talking about. New York niggas hell of good at that. I swear to God. Like, you could be listening to a New York song and it could be a disc like DMX that you all going to make me, that's a diss song to corrupt. Hell of people don't know that.

I was like, but that's a diss. You know that right? I mean, that's how New York nigger do you, though, bro. Like, they really be hip hop heads like that. Yeah, make a song to where you won't even know. It doesn't sound like a real song. So you're right, they're hell of good at, like, painting the picture that's kind of still perceived to be street.

But for some fucking reason, everybody in the world ain't catching that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like New York, niggins ain't a master. Jay Z. He got hell of songs like that? Like, it's against the song, but it's really not. You know what I'm saying? So they hell of good at that, bro.

New York, you're right. I mean, it's crazy, too, to think about those time periods back in the day, like 20 years ago when I was listening to mostly rap out in New York. It's like, you know, I'm listening to Cameron and 50 cent and shit. Right, right. I guarantee they had beefs and issues with all kinds of people. Right. But they were never going to mention in a song because they're just random people. Right.

So it's like, yeah, you would hear somebody like Cameron dis Niz or this whoever they were getting into it. Right. Right. Right. But they're not going to, like, even if he names like a couple other people in the crew, that's a big deal. Right. But he's not going to talk about the guys three months. blocks over that he has people with it because who gives a but like you know we've seen over and over

through drill music they're like oh no you can make people care about your ops and then they'll stay around right to watch you keep talking about your ops like it's like a youtube or a youtube channel where they talk about the rappers that they don't like or the people the other YouTubers they don't like right you know it's it's like you create a villain and then you make content about knocking them down right right not literally but but yeah no but not gonna you're not gonna get it to a peg you just you turn nigga to a They go smoke your ass. Nah, you just put,

you painted the good picture because I'd be like, yeah, where they think they're going with that? You know what I'm saying? Like, where they think they're going with that? But I know it's influenced

by the video games and hell of shit and the music and hell of shit. I just, this is what I just told my motherfucking brother last night, though, and I'm glad we were talking about this. Okay, so,

just going back from what you're saying. So even if I'm a kid and I'm really rocking like this and I'm, you know what I'm saying, I'm all on the drill shit, I'm on a video game type of shit. You know what I'm saying?

I want the world to answer this too, y'all in the comments. Is that as heavier than the parent? Like, than the person in the house? I'm like, my mom, I'm going to whoop my ass. Nick, Minnesota Society was out. Gancherb was out, and I know you do that shit. I'm going to break your ass off. So I'm like, but is that, the parents still, still post it.

I let this, I know I could turn this damn TV. I can say, you can't watch this goddamn TV. I can take your goddamn phone. You can't hold this shit until every motherfucking age. So I'm like, but still, I think, whatever they're watching or the influence they got, is that over the parent, or the guardian who's around that child. I mean, I think as a parent, if you just let your kid listen to crazy violent music from a young age,

you are basically complicit in turning that kid into some fucked up version of who they are. And I feel lucky, honestly, that I have a wife who is so goddamn strict that at times, I'm just like, are you fucking for real? You're going to make me turn the song off. But I get it because like now I see how my, like, all right, my kid has barely heard rap since she, like, I would play it around her all the time. But now that she speaks well, it's like now my girl's like, super against playing it. There's a Taylor Swift song where she says something like, I want to kill

her. My kid is walking around telling my girl that she wants to be a killer. Right. Now, she doesn't know what the fuck it is. And she's like, she doesn't really get what she's saying. But that one Taylor Swift lyric that sounds kind of cute when she says it, my kid is repeating that shit. And I see my girl telling her like, you know, I don't know how to say that. We try not to make a big deal out of it when she does say it or whatever. But I can't even imagine if you just let your kid watch whatever on YouTube or listen to whatever music. I mean, the kid is going to get drawn into the same bullshit that you're watching,

especially if they're looking at the same YouTube algorithm that you're seeing. Imagine being a nine-year-old and seeing a title that says, why little Tim and Cuando Rondo killed King Vaughn. And you like King Vaughn's music. And you're a kid, you got click on that shit. Of course you want to know what's going on with that kind of shit. Right, that's real.

And the earlier the kid gets used to that shit, the more f***ed up it is. But that's the problem is that a lot of parents are just, you know, if you work all the time, and especially if you're in a single parent household, you can't afford to have, you know, like good child care or whatever. It's like it's an impossible task.

And especially your kid is shaped by the other kids as well. So even if you do a good job hiding your kid away from all this other shit, it has to do with who they're in school with, et cetera. And if every other kid in school is exposed to all this shit. Right, right, right. If you're like the one really great parent at the school and everybody else is kind of dropping the ball, then your kid's going to get influenced by all that shit the same way.

and she's going to resent you because you're the one over here, like holding them apart from the shit that you're dressed in me. Well, I just kept from that area where your parents put fear in your ass. That's all I think it's me. Like, I knew. I knew all that shit, but my mama going to break my ass. Oh,

I knew. Yeah, my daddy. You're going to get over. I knew. Like, all right, you could try that shit if you want to. Because I remember when Kane died him into society, that was the first time I felt like that was real.

Like when he got this, how you got killed at the ear, everybody like, I know, I'm like, maybe because up with the time and they did show some shit like that. At that time, maybe he wouldn't know

shit like that on TV I don't know but that scene did with me I felt like I felt that like I knew him and I knew I was watching a fucking movie

so I know that that shit could become like real it could start feeling real that was the first time I seen with Men's Society when Kane got killed I was like

I started crying like they killed Kate I was in the house crying mom and I'm like it's a fucking movie boy I'm like right huh but I don't know why I feel

hell of real I'm like because how I don't know it was something about that fucking movie Men's society that shit was heavy and like I said and again

that's another movie Bay in LA, Bay in LA, niggas. All through the movies. I'm saying like, this shit, everybody's just saying watching.

You feel me? On everything. It's a hell of shit where the bay in LA. I don't know why nobody ain't just pushing. I'm pushing for that, though, y'all.

I'm pushing for that, you feel me? Everything. For sure. So, okay, I'm trying to figure out where the narrative of your life story

goes from after all this bullshit with the filthy and Mazi saga and everything like that. Like, how do we get to the killer ink Snoopy badass era from there? Right, right, right, right.

I just always kept pushing and always kept doing my thing, but when he got chained by Snoop, okay, which was like, 2020? Yeah, that's when I got last one I locked in with him. Okay.

Snoop is at this time with short on Mount Westmore, is what they said was called? Some tour like that. Something like that. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Right. So we was doing our thing keeping their lit,

just like them two keeping their lead. That was supposed to be like some tour of America's most wanted type shit. You feel me? Because I'm from Oakland. I could play Pock and he could play Snoop. You know what I was thinking? like some two of America Most Wanted shit. That was my whole movement behind that.

You know what I'm saying? But now brother doing this blogger shit. Now he tearing niggas heads. I'm like, all right, bro, do your thing. I'm like, bro, salute you, brother. But I'm trying to rap. But how do you know Snoopy in the first place? That's how I met him from that situation.

Oh, so right from that situation. Just from being around too short and then Snoopy's around Snoop. And so then you're all in the same place. I'm hearing already about him. You know what I'm saying? So I'm hearing about him. So I'm saying I tap in with him. I'm like, bro, congratulations.

That was a good look. Any can wrap his fucking ass on. and I started looking at all this shit going on with him and I kind of like start seeing my story too I'm like when you're the better rapper people will say any fucking thing bro that's all the fuck it is but everybody can't see that shit I'm like if you're the better rapper

in the other nigga week he gonna come with everything nigga your granny used to smoke crack hell of shit is like yeah what about the song though bro yeah that will never come up because niggas can't rap bro feel me niggas can't rap I'll be like most niggas can't rap though I seen how they hate on all

the most niggas even Draco I see how he like and he had his own style And the only reason why, because up north, more of the bay, it didn't really happen to appear. His influence is more up north. You know what I'm saying? I can show you. I could pull you up like 20 Draco's. Yeah.

Fitt'n' me, niggas from up north. You know what I'm saying? Oakland, Friscoe, sack. Everybody was rapping like him. And I'm asking my nigga like, what's up with this old whisper, low-ass rap type shit? You feel me? I'm like, why a nigga? I'm like, scoot all the type of shit.

He's like, Draco to rule. I'm like, who was that, put that nigga up. He pulled him up on YouTube and showed me like five other niggas rapping like him. I'm like, damn, that nigga is influential as, okay, that's super interesting you say that because I've heard other people say that Draco was taking his style from up north to a certain extent.

You're saying it was he influenced the whole damn state. For sure, other way around, bro. Hell no. Interesting. You know what I'm saying? Other way around, bro. Niggas wouldn't whispering and rapping low like that and all beating shit.

All that shit cut from Draco. But to be fair, around that time, I do remember that like, O. GZ was the first person who showed me all black. He did. You know? All black kind of. Okay, all black from Oakland.

I feel like Shoreline and Draco and stuff. They did appreciate a lot of Northern California stuff. And, you know, Drake-O does on a lot of his projects feature Northern California artists more than, and just on some love shit, not on like, oh, I'm trying to. Because Ralphie still f*** with them. You're right, you're right. So that was already a relationship that was there.

Yeah. You're right. But I mean, if you're somebody who's like a progressive street rap listener in L.A., you're probably around that time. If you really knew what you were listening to, you're probably going to be interested in what's going on up north for sure. I be so tapped in Like I said to rap

I just seen everybody Kind of rapping like that Yeah And my nigga he'd be so tapped in He went straight to the nigga video He's like they trying to rap like him Yeah And I didn't never heard who

I never heard of Drake over there I didn't know shit You know what I looked at the way Nick rapping And I seen it right there I'm like hell yeah They're trying to rap like him For sure

You feel me I'm like damn that's crazy But when you're a rapper That's hell of influential Like that bro And people like copying off you Somebody told me it's called like the three bees Like they got to want to be like you

They got want to be around you They got want to be you Like hell of artists don't got that effect. But if you as an artist that do got that effect and people like copying off you and people want to be like you, that makes you kind of like

way a different type of artist. That's the argument I seen everybody was doing with Wayne and Kendrick. You feel me like, Kendrick this but way ain't that? I'm like, yeah, Wayne is like, it's like a third, we've seen 30 fucking little Wayne's.

It's like he's for sure more influential, but I get what everybody's saying. But I think the thing is is that Wayne don't got like hell of like commercial like big records. I don't think like that. I'm like, maybe that's why Jay Z didn't pick his ass. He definitely does like over time. But, you know, I feel like, okay, Little Wayne, if you look at Little Wayne's

2024, what did you do? Pretty much nothing. Like, pretty much nothing that stands out to any of us, whereas Kendrick had like the biggest song of the year, even though, you know, he did have a couple other disc songs, but it's basically like the only thing he put out this year. But it was like the biggest song. But it was the biggest song, though. You got to give it to them, you know?

We can't look past that for sure. You know? But I was looking at that on anything, like, that's a hard one. Damn, because I know for show Kendrick is raised and raised up from Little Wayne. We all raised all that. That's a hard one. That's a hard one. Everybody, what you think, D.B.?

I'm like, that's a hard one because, nigger, Wayne, they eat a goat, nigga, on my mom. I'm like, but Kendrick going crazy right now. Like, what the fuck? That put Jay-Z in a hard mother place, bro. What the fuck he posted there right there? I'm like, I feel that, nigga on that one. That was a hard one, bro.

You see me? Because Kendrick is like the hottest artist out. And I know how everybody feel about Wayne. So I'm like, that was just a hard-ass one, bro. When I was in high school, in 1999, I went into the computer lab, and I see a CD sitting there. It's a Wu-Tang CD. And it's the third.

Wu-Tang album. So it's the album after Wu-Tang forever. And I pick it up and I'm just like, oh, hell yeah. I ain't even heard this shit yet. I got a free fucking Wu-Tang CD, which at the time of CD was everything. It's like $15. Hell yeah. I get it. I open it up and it's a Lowell-Wane album. And then I go home and I listen to it and I remember feeling kind of torn because part of me was like, you, I wanted that really be Wu-Tang. Yeah, well, that too. But like part of me was like, this shit is hard. Like, this shit is crazy sounding. Like, this is like nothing I ever heard before. And then part of me was also like, this is so bullshit. Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm listening to.

This ain't, right. This ain't Wooten. This ain't too. This is some weird shit. It ain't hard enough. But I like, you know, I came to appreciate it and everything like that. But when I think about that, that was pretty funny that, like, I was, I was fooled into picking it up. I might not even pick it up if it had a little Wayne CDK. So I thought I was getting a Wooten album. But, um, yeah, all right. So, how did you feel

about it when, uh, things didn't really work out with Snoopy and Snoopy and Snoop? After that, I feel like he should just keep pushing. He should keep just doing his thing like with the death row shit on some legacy type of shit but he wanted to do his own type of thing his own type of way so I'm like all he's snoopy I'm saying I know how he is he's different now he gonna do his own thing but like I said that's bro he just doing his uh blogger shit so I I salute brother do you seem like you have a real like kind of brotherly relationship with him because you guys clearly don't see eye to eye on everything but you still just got real love for him yeah yeah because I I I

feel like everybody have somebody like I said in a family or somebody they know like that and I think that's like the real definition of loyalty. Because everybody always talk about this. Loyity, trust, respect. I always have people like, nah, I'm loyalty at the top, bro, because loyalty, real, I could really not agree with you.

I could really not be with that, but I'm still going to ride with you, though. That's what loyalty mean. But everybody ain't really, like, loyal today. Like, niggas ain't loyal to me. I'm gonna ride with you wrong, all right.

That's what low of me. Everybody, like, respect and trust. I'm like, that shit supposed to come with loyalty, though. Yeah, that's supposed to come with loyalty. If I'm loyal to you, of course I got respect you and got love for you. You feel me though, but loyalty at the top of loyalty over love.

Loyalty over trust. Loyalty over all that shit. You can be in relation with them. Y'all might not be saying that I, but if you're all loyal to each other, you're all going to make that shit kind of work, you're saying? Or any fallout you have with somebody.

If y'all loyal to each other, that's, nah. I think we need to talk about loyalty more in general because I think about this a lot. Because, okay, if it's as simple as just friendship, then loyalty is important, right? Yeah, right. But I feel like a lot of people in our world of, like, content and all these rappers and everything,

a lot of it is like business. but then like the fans kind of perceive it as like friendship. Right, right. Because I've definitely perceived a lot of situations in which like a business relationship ceases to make sense. And then that ruins the friendship. And then people look at you as being like disloyal. Right.

When in reality, it's like there's just realities to business. And it's like, I can't pay you X amount of dollars unless you're making X amount of dollars. And if that does become the decision at a certain point, it's like, I can't pay you as much or I can't give you this raise that you want or whatever. It's like, That's when your lord's

business at the end of the day. And that's what I've lost hell of friends over the years due to the fact that I did what I kind of thought was the loyal thing, which is I gave them a job. Right. But then when I didn't feel like they were doing what they were supposed to be doing, I take the job away and now I'm disloyal.

Right. When if I had never given them an opportunity in the first place, people would probably still see me as loyal in that situation, even though that person also would probably be salty as fuck that I... Now, that's called loyal to a fault. We're the ones that's loyal to a fault. Nah, that's we being too loyal.

I get what you saying because now once that shit ain't going right, you do got the right to say, okay, I can't take this shit no more. But let's also, let's throw out an example. Like, you got a homie, you've been loyal to him forever or whatever, and then he just does some bugged out shit. At what point do you have to make it clear? I'm not on board with this. And there's all kinds of examples we could give,

but like, what if he's your boy, you really, really fuck with him, but then a video comes out of him beating the shit out his baby mama or something like that. Oh, now, now, realistically, just don't say anything. You're a celebrity. You don't got to talk about nothing. You got to just be quiet about it. But then what if something happens where you're on a podcast and somebody tries to force you to state your opinion one way or the other

and you got to say like, you know, I don't fuck with what he did. Right, right. Are you disloyal because you just disavowed him? I mean. Right. But I also saying I don't with what he did is different than saying I don't fuck with him. That's a good way to look at. You know, it's like there's a lot of like tricky things that come around with loyalty.

I think that you could correct the person behind closed doors. Maybe you ain't got to do it in the person. hell and maybe you can act like you fucking riding with that shit and you know you ain't. But I think if you correct them around, y'all had to talk about that shit behind closed doors, that should be good enough. Like, but don't keep doing that shit because it do start looking bad on, it's going to start looking bad on all y'all. It's kind of like I tried to

talk to my partner about Cardi being off. And I say, like, now you don't know weird shit. When somebody's saying weird shit like that, right, then you don't know what the fucking line. They both are saying weird shit. I'm like, when they get to like that, bro, you don't know what to believe now. He, like, triggered her so bad that she admitted that she had been cheating the whole relationship,

which to me is pretty funny. I'm saying some wild shit. She had like committed the perfect crime because I didn't really think that she was cheating on him. Right. Now she's like, ha ha, I just didn't get caught. Right.

Which that's like a special type of person that is like excited to tell you about what they actually did. That's a demon. That's a fucking demon. I'm like, that's a demon-ass situation. Bro, that shit I read. I'm like,

I ain't never seen no shit like that. See y'all in my time. Me growing up y'all, I ain't never seen no shit like that. So y'all generation about, I'm looking at this shit. Like, if something was going on when we grew up in any relationship or any celebrity like,

you just didn't know about it. And I think that's why everybody won't fucking something happen to Beyonce and Jay Z. So fucking bad. I'm like, why are y'all doing that? I see they doing it with the ditty shit. I see them doing it. Everybody like, yeah, Jay Z next. Jay Z next.

Jay Z and Beyonce next. I'm like, that's some evil-ass shit. Why y'all are praying on their down for like that, bro? They're cool. Bro, leave Jay Z and Beyonce to fuck alone, bro. Everybody wants them to drop forward with everybody. Hella bad. But I'm going to tell y'all right now, no, not hope.

That's what I'm saying. All right. Like the new whisper is. basically the idea that Jay-Z might have slept with Foxy Brown when he was 23 and she was 15. Man. My thing is, I don't know how easily hip-hop is going to cancel Jay-Z, even if some shit like that comes out. Because listen, there were no rabid Puff Daddy fans. Right, right, right, right, right.

We respect him. Right, right, right, right. But ultimately, like, Jay-Z has like 10, maybe eight, whatever, classic albums that everybody reveres, everybody, like, recognizes he's so important to hip-hop. Right, right. I don't know. Now, I don't think that they're going to hit them with just that. They're going to dig up all kinds of other shit.

So it'll probably end up seeming like a bunch of stuff when they inevitably do try to take them down. Right. But I don't know. It's like that's a, but you still haven't seen anybody actually make that accusation. Not whole. I just seen people like insinuating. Not whole.

Only reason why I'm going to say that, y'all, because I'm a fan of hip hop and he got a book. And he got a book. Somebody gave it to me. I found it at somebody house. I read that whole damn book. I'm like, this nigga smart than a motherfucker. So he really studied hell of people, bro. So I'm like, nah, Jay, Jay, Jay, he's different, bro.

He ain't going out. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, that's a different type of animal. And I'm pretty sure Beyonce, no, I'm like, nah, I don't think they like that. People just love, they love to build you up and then they love to tear you down. And people love the idea of taking somebody who like, you know, really, what's the difference between DB, the general, and Jay-Z, besides the fact that somehow he has managed to become a fucking millionaire or whatever. Right, right.

And, like, a lot of people who are haters, you know, I don't, I don't feel like I feel like this way. Well, I definitely don't feel this way about Jay-Z, but there probably are people that I do feel like this about, which is like, I know you think you're better than me. Right. And I'm going to enjoy it, watching them tear your ass down. Right. To the point where you don't really think you're better than me at some point.

That's a very human instinct to want to watch somebody crumble to the point where you're like on the same level or closer to on the same level, you know? I'm glad you brought that up. Let's hell of good. Nah, for real good. I swear to God. My mama told me, I'm like the king of like, I'd be exposing my mother. You know what I'm saying?

Like, ah, macblash your ass, you'm saying? Because I know my character and I know what I did in my life. You know what I'm saying? Everybody said everybody got skeletons in the closet. So I always look that shit like, so why would people or why do anybody? Why would somebody come for you or come for me or any person in you know you have more dirt or more skeletons in your backyard than me? That's the dumbest shit I be saying people do.

I'd be like, you know what the fuck you did over there, bro, and I know what I did in my character in my life. And people will go for the person and he got way more shit going on. You find out a motherfucker have to be an informant, a rat. you will find out all type of shit, bro. But it seemed like the people that he coming for is not like that. So that's why that was my defense. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I would, I did that to hell of people. I ain't gonna lie. Like, I really exposed your ass. I'm like, but you came for me. That was just my defense. You should never came for me. And people say, like, well, you're trying to make it seem like, you're perfect. And they should think it's simple.

I'm like, but I know what I did as far as my character, bro. I know what I do. And I know what I will do. And I know what I won't do. So I'm like, every man and women know what they did behind closed doors or everybody know what they did, bro. I'm like, so that's the only way you can kind of expose a person. So I kind of get when everybody like, well, faking d-di-in.

These people, they fucking ask for it. I'm like, yeah, because if you do something as a person, everybody got a conscience, bro, like, everybody got freewheel. You know what the fuck you doing, bro. So I'm like, once you get caught out on this shit and you try to hide and act like, no, I'm like, it is really still on you, though. Like, it ain't on nobody else, bro. And it seems like everybody like to always point fingers and shit.

And that go to lacking accountability and all this other shit. But fuck all that, bro. Everybody really put their self in their own situation. So I know even though he really. All the motherfuckers is rich as fuck. But I don't think ain't nothing wrong with doing no freaky ass part. Ain't nothing wrong with no orgy. I don't give a fuck when nobody's saying.

Ain't nothing wrong with that shit though. Right. No. You feel me? That ain't illegal. You know what I'm saying? But anything else he did? I don't know.

I mean, it's a huge liability to be freaky and famous. Right. You know? Because it's like an orgy's great. Right. Yeah. Have a fucking crazy freak off. Right.

Ain't nothing wrong with that. And hey, you want to be doing drugs. It's your fucking life. Do some drugs. Right. Right. Right. Right.

I don't think nothing wrong with that. But then all you got to do is say, no, they were being forced to do the drugs. There wasn't just a play to Coke. There was a play to Coke to everybody's being forced to do. Now we've got a new narrative. That's, you know. That's what changed it.

I mean, yeah, I think from a lot of people's perspective because, all right, think about T.I. T.I. had a crazy lawsuit with his wife, basically alleging that they were like sex trafficking and drugging girls or whatever. I remember day. Could it be that the girls were just taking Molly? Because, like, a huge percentage of girls want to take Molly. I mean, it's like, it gets very muddy.

And like, the thing is that it's, not like he's been convicted or found guilty or put on trial or anything and it's still, but it still had a huge impact on his public reputation. And even like yesterday, I'm scrolling through Twitter. I don't pay a lot of attention to the country world, but all of a sudden I just see a tweet that says that Garth Brooks is being sued. He's the biggest country artist of all time. He's being sued by a former assistant or hairstylist or some shit who's saying that he basically like sexually tortured her and raped her in a hotel room one time years ago, forever ago, I think. And I'm just like, damn, like look at this shit.

There's a very significant chance that nothing comes from this, that he's never found criminally liable or anything. But right now, there's millions of people talking about this shit on Twitter alone. Never mind whatever's going on Facebook, Reddit, all these different platforms. Twitter was late. On Twitter alone, I'm looking at the tweet. The tweet has 200,000 likes. And I guarantee you there's 10 other tweets that got the same level of engagement.

And we might find out that none of this shit ever even pans out to be anything. And this is a guy who's got a squeaky clean image for his whole career. That made me think about Tupac when he was rapping and brand this time about this shit going to fuck up my name. I ain't do this shit. And now years later he did. And this bitch all this shit come out. You're right. Like this shit be going on for so long.

It's like people just believe too much of the shit. But the fuck they see, bro. You know what I'm saying? And I can't be mad because I was like that too. I have my brother like, you believe in all that shit. You see some of that shit is fake. So I'm glad somebody had to really like show me.

But it's hell of people who I think for just perceived too much as that shit. and they take it too, too personal, and they take it too much to fucking heart. And it's like, some of that shit, I think is really just to be scrolled and laughed or comment and move on with your damn life. Y'all taking that shit too much to heart, I feel like, like, everybody takes this to heart.

Like, they whole life evolving around that shit because it's only two times, I ain't going to lie. I'm like, you know how I, like, Instagram, man, like a glitch or like it shut down, y'all. That happened twice. I ain't going to lie. The first time I was in tripping. I ain't go lie.

But the second time, I ain't go lie. I almost had a heart attack. You thought your shit was deleted? I thought it was gone. So everybody, like, you see? That shit really do some of the people, bro. I'm like, that's the first time I ever did that, though. The first time I didn't care.

I'm like, all right, if that shit gone, that shit gone. But the second time, you know what I'm saying? It was just like freezing and wasn't loading, you know what I'm saying? And I got hacked before, you know what I'm saying? Because everybody be like, bro, you're deep as junior. You're a legend. Why you got so many? I got hacked twice.

So I always said people like, I don't care about followers. That shit. They had take your place. I don't really care about the internet shit, bro. People really a lick at your fucking life and be like, I'm going to get this like people. that people really pray on people downfall in this damn world

and that shit is crazy. So I never really cared about that shit but for sure, for sure I'm not never going to take all... I'm not going to never consume all this shit I see on social media, internet, bro, like all of it just really took to be hard.

I'm not never doing that. I just know that ain't the case and I think that's why everybody really everybody take all that shit too much to it. They take it too serious. Taking it to heart. It ain't all that damn serious. I'd have had fucking a hundred arguments about

what's real and what ain't and what's fake and everybody really is going more to the this shit is real. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, nah. You know, if you're going to be a public figure, you have to go through the slow, gradual process of getting thicker and thicker skin to the point where you can't really care about anything. And I just thought a good example. This morning, I'm scrolling through Twitter and I see a tweet and it's like, our mission this year as black people should be to take down academics Vlad TV and Adam 22.

You seen it? 30,000 likes. When was this? This morning. I probably thought about it for like, a. minute and I just kept scrolling and I forgot about it until just now and then I was just thinking I'm like but that's main that's like that's a right okay 10 years ago that's main the idea of a tweet with 30,000 likes saying that they need to take me down would have fucking blown my mind but I've been on the

internet for a long time and really I feel like if anything it's like very hard to get through to me now and if anything that's my mission and my motto going forward is there should be no amount of bad press that should make me have a bad day. Right. Hell not. You should always be able to get through that shit just off. This. I don't give a fuck.

I know who I'm really in my skin. At the end of the day, I'm a B-I'm a-I. I know who I am in my skin. It can be hard to feel that because when it feels like everything's coming down, it can be very hard to really feel confident that you're going to end up good. Like I said, maybe it's the way I was raised. I'm always telling me that, niggis, sticks and stones, break your bones, nigger words and never hurt you.

And I grew up in a fucking house where hell. cap and hell of shit, bro. We watch hell of death comedy jam, bro. Oh my God. Hell of God. We talk hell of shit about each other, bro. So I got a tough ass skin. I'm like, today this world, hell is sensitive.

You can say anything. Your ass canceled. So all this other type of shit is like, everybody more is sensitive to what they say. But I was one of them people. I feel like me and you, both of us. I didn't been called everything under the fucking set. I didn't been called.

Everything you could think of gay. He read. He snitched. You broke. I've been down all the road. So I feel I can handle anything. I can take anything. I laugh at that shit for show.

I'm going to smoke my blood. Like, you do not know me in real life. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Some people, they really be, I see some people really mind boggled. And I'm trying to my girl. I'm like, they do not know you.

Like, you tripping. So some people really taking this shit to heart. I'm like, you tripping, bro. I remember one time I was around Tato from Chief Keith's shit. Right, right. He was being canceled that day on the internet because of basically evidence that come out on the internet to suggest that he was like being abusive to Cuban who was like dating at the time or,

whatever. And it was bad on Twitter that day for him. Like people coming out the woodwork talking crazy about him, acting like he's this monster, whatever. And when I see him, he's rolling back to back. He's happy as fuck. He's rapping. He's fucking around with his friends. He didn't give a pride. He didn't even know. It's not like he's pulling his phone out and checking the shit like a psychopath. He was living life. No, he was living life. And I'm like, that's the mentality of a fucking savage. Who doesn't give his shit? Who knows that to be out here alive, right? Living. Right. It's so much more important than people trashing him on social media because so many of his

homies are dead. He already won. You know, he's still here. You guys are all going to forget this. And that's true because right now I can barely even remember the details of this situation. And when I saw that, that inspired me a lot to be like, you know what, I don't have to care. The best example I can give a debt is Chris and Breezy. Now, I never met him in real life.

But I heard too many stories on the internet. But everybody say, if you see how people treat him in real life. life, then you will see the difference, but I never seen it. You know what I'm saying? But I see my fuck to pay his ass for a picture and all that goddamn shit. But if you see what they said about him on the internet, it is seem like he's not liked or love. But that shit is cap, bro. So I don't know why everybody just be taking all that shit to the heart, bro.

Everybody take that shit to the heart. And I ain't go lie. I do it too, though. Like, if the comment got hella likes, like, I'd be like, everybody agree with that? I start doing that shit, too. Like, damn, why that comment got hella likes? That shit of what you don't like. Is everybody think like that?

It'll do that to your brain. But you got to just know that it's trolls. There's people out here. Like I said, as kid, people behind it. You don't know, bro.

Most of this should be youngsters. You feel me? I'm like, but they don't be really hell of adults on social media. Most of that should be kids. So most of that should be young kids, bro.

I'm like, they don't know. They troll your ass all day. Especially if you respond and go back and forth what they are they happy as like, yeah, come on,

bro. I'm like, some people really ain't got no damn life. They ain't got shit else to do. They just sitting right there just trolling, bro. They ain't got shit else to do. No, definitely.

I mean, Chris Brown has a new documentary coming out about him. And, you know, I fully predict that like, here they go. See, y'all trying to tear Breezy down. It'll be an annoyance for him. It'll be a bunch of viral shit that will come out with it. But ultimately, if he just stays focused on his music and his career and shit, it ain't going to work, right. You know, that Rihanna shit was 14 years ago or whatever.

Y'all got let that shit go. Breezy the nigger. That shit ain't cool. but I read a comment like not too long ago and it was like, this is the most like hated artists on the internet, but if you see the love he get in real life,

you would know all this shit is fake as, so I was like, that's kind of like me. You know what I'm saying? So that made me feel good. I'm like, right. I'm like, they motherfuck don't know me.

But people really do that shit. So I don't know why, bro. So it's like going back to what, going back to my story, like after all that beef and after all that trouble and shit, like I said, always been cool.

I always was living good. I always was good because I know that nobody never touched me. Nobody didn't put their hands on me. Nobody didn't jump me, beat me up, get straight, got Carl Lacking, Rob, none of this shit shot at. So I always, my shit, that shit was fake to me. I'm like, yeah, a song or a YouTube video. I'm like, whatever, but I, like I said, no real incident ever happened in real life.

So I never perceived myself, me, as I got beef with hell of these rappers. You feel me? Now everybody else will say that. But you ask me, I'm going to tell your ass like, that ain't beef, bro. Like somebody made a song, I responded. I heard niggas feelings, bro. That's all happened. You feel me?

That's all happened. I'm like, but then nothing happened in real life. So don't run around talking about it's a problem and shit. So it's like that will block artists. That'll block you, you know what I'm saying? Shout out Ron Stool. It's like, I need you, bro. It's like, certain people who I know that probably want to fuck with me,

they probably scared. You know what I'm saying? Like, do he got problems? I don't. Like, I ain't laid a lot of Billy. I'm the assid. You feel me? Like, I ain't never had no real altercation with nobody.

So it's like Ron Stool, bro. Come on, bro. You got to fuck with me, bro. You feel me? So it's like, I don't want nobody to think that. You know what I'm saying? He got, he's a liability. Never.

You know what I say. I ain't got no ills. I'm really talking about my character when I say that shit because I think some people really care about what everybody perceive for them on what they got.

Most people is like, I want people to like me for what I got. I got this, I got this house, I got this car, I got bitches, I got money.

But I'm off the character. Who are you as a person, though? That's how I come. That's how I was raised. My mom, I'm like, I don't give a fuck if you a billionaire,

but you might do some other shit behind clothes, you might be f***ing this little kid, maybe behind the door. I don't know about. So I need to know your character, though. So it's like I always, that's how I come at people here. I don't care who you is.

I'm going to go on. I'm judging off your character. Some people really ain't going to do that. Some people are going to look at you and judge you off what you got. But that's an interesting thing because there's infinite examples of people where everybody seemed to like perceive them as being honorable people of good character or whatever. And then down the road you end up finding out they're doing crazy ass shit behind closed doors. You know, it's like you can think of a ton of examples all the time.

to be a serial killer and then you see the footage of the neighbor and they're like he seemed like a perfectly nice guy he's watered the grass every day he was great yeah brian what that's true that's true i guess hell of people good at well you know what i think that come from a childhood when you raise like when your mom send you to school and you go kick it with your friends you learn these roles to switch up when you're around people it's like you i think we learn that from a kid like everybody kind of act different around their mom or around their kids or around their partners i think everybody switch up kind of when they get around month so it's like i think everybody know how to do that but I don't proceed that as being fake.

I just think that the genuine person who you is in your soul and your heart, that shouldn't change, though, like your character, bro, but you could, you might can smoke a blood around the niggas and don't do that around your girl and the kids and shit, or to have a drink with the boys and shit, like, I get shit like that, but your character, your core or self shouldn't change, bro. You shouldn't be doing some murder. You're a mad's murder. You kill like 30 bitches.

You throw him in the heels and you at the bar chilling with us smoking and shit like, MDB, no. I need to know about some shit. like that. So some people, I guess like, they just, I know what I'm saying? Like, how could I say this? They don't know how to really read people hella good because I ain't gonna lie, bro. Even if I, even if he's coming off, hella cool, even if he's coming off like he's

the best month. Let me to get a world some game. You can ask him three things, bro, and it'll tell you a hell of shit you need to know. Okay. Who raised you? What's your sign? And where you from? Them three, y'all. I didn't been around. People are like, why you always ask that? I'm like, that tell me hell of shit. who raised you

what's your sign where you came from them three, bro. I'm like, I don't give up. I'm a note to deal with this person.

Are dudes who are raised by their mom more feminine or sensitive or, I see a lot of people talk about this. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You is not lying, bro. Hell, motherfucker. Yeah. That's the world we

living there, y'all. They're trying to demasculate. They want to demasculate. They want to demasculate. But that's what's interesting is that if you were to look at like,

if you were to take any random 100 gang members, some gigantic. percentage of them are just raised by their mom because their dad wasn't around or whatever. Right. Yeah. So it's like unbelievably common. Man, I just think that you females know goddamn will, y'all need a goddamn dude in the house.

All your females out there stop saying, fuckniggas. I don't need a nigga. You know you damn will need it. You need a man in the house. You need a male influence. The man is the head. That y'all can't do it by yourself. You can't create it by yourself.

You just need to listen to the man and stop not listening like you did in the beginning the time when God told your ass. Y'all Ben ain't listening. You didn't, Eve didn't even listen. So that shit be killing me like, man, why girls don't listen? You didn't listen to the man. He already told Adam, what's up? Adam told your ass. Don't do that shit. And I always go back to that story in my head when I argue with girls. I'd be like, y'all never going to listen. You didn't even listen to God. So if I noticed shit, I'm like, you all just ain't going listen, bro. So that shit be killing me like, God damn, y'all just listen and try to follow the man. I know some men y'all don't kind of know how to lead, but we kind of like figure it out on our

way. You know what I'm saying? Going in life. We kind of to learn, bro. So it's like, y'all got to have way more faith in y'all men's, all the females out there, like just stop giving up on. Y'all don't want to build niggins. Y'all don't want to put on because girls got all the game. They don't want to be knowing all this shit. They don't go all that, I know how to do all the bank, the loan, the credit, all this shit. Females know this shit and sit right next to a nigga and just be looking at them like, what you're going to do. Help me so we can get the fuck on. What the fuck you're talking about what the fuck I'm going to do? I thought we're a family. I thought we're together. So it's like, it's like today,

when you're in a relationship, it's like, this is your life. That's what you got going on. and this is my life and this is what I got going on. I never did that. If I'm a relationship with somebody, we won. You know what I'm saying? Like, we won, we together. All this shit is under the same roof on the same, but we got to do this shit together.

But some people I see, mostly today is like, no, you, you, you're doing your thing, and this person's doing anything. That ain't how it's supposed to be. We got to be. You got to be like this. You got to just come together. You got to be like this.

The question is just like how long you're fucking with somebody before you decide that your brands are going to merge together. And like, so few people's brands like fully make sense merging without some problems along the way. And also we all know what it's like to be totally head over heels, nuts for a girl for a couple of months. You can press the button and turn that over something. Sorry. But like, you know, and then all of a sudden it just evaporates into thin air at some point.

And if you make it public, it's like it's so much harder to fucking manage that, I guess. You know, like a secret relationship is so much less bullshit attached to it, especially if you're like, if you're famous and the girl's not famous and then she starts getting like, famous person level attention, but meanwhile she's not used to any of that. Right. Oh, you really got a recipe for her head getting all fucked up. Okay. I'm glad you brought that up. Nope, because I'm one of them people that defend that.

Like, yeah, like, nah, DB is better not to show who you fucking baby. I'm like, yeah, but this only thing that's the bad part about that. When I do want to like, maybe like, um, like, how could I say it's like, like celebrate or show some shit or grieve too because I've seen this happen with just this just this just happened with rich homie quine. As you all seen this shit. Now you die and all these bitches popping up out of nowhere. So I'm saying that's hard to kind of like keep me a secret in life.

And then if something ever happens to that person, then what do you do? Everybody just look at me. You don't post them? You don't say that? I never even knew you was in a fucking relationship. Now you post this person by, I love you on the office. Oh, everybody going to be looking at your ass like, you who the fuck is this? So I'm like, that look weird too, though.

I'm like, you got to show a little bit of something, but you don't got to let them all the way in, though. You don't, though. It's crazy, too, because like, as much as a girl could drag you down publicly, I know, like, if I wasn't in a relationship or whatever, bro, I could blow myself up off a girl. Like, all I need to do is like, you know, if you just find a girl who's lit and you get into a relationship with her, you start fucking around with her, you start having gossip. People cannot keep their eyes off that shit. That's true.

That's true. At one point in my relationship, we just decided, really early on, we just decided we're not going to do any messy shit ever. Right, right. And for the most part, it's worked out great for us. Right. But, I mean, that is a huge cheat code to getting attention because then all of a sudden, if you come with a girl from Zeus, you've immediately got the whole shade room audience that might be paying attention to. Whereas right now, it's like, you know, even if I got a little dirt interview. Right.

That audience is big, but it's a bunch of like rap fans versus like the shade room is like every black woman alive. Right, right, right, right. And a bunch of other ones. Somebody just told me that who owned that? I forgot. Shade room? I forgot, but okay, look, okay, that's good. You said that, but look, though, this is the thing about it.

This is me. Because, like I said, and you can answer this because you were in this world with me. But when people ask us, since we're in this world and they're like the regular diglers, they should fucking listen to us because we in this world. We know the buttons to push. We know what's really kind of going on. So when I'm talking to somebody that ain't in this world, though,

they don't create content or not media. You don't rap, none of that shit. You show, better listen to me on what's real and fake. Yeah. You should listen to me, bro. I really fucking know. So it's like, that still kill me. even if somebody's just living a regular day of life,

and they don't know somebody that's kind of doing that. If you know somebody that's doing that, or that's a content creator or in that real, you should go talk to them maybe about, you know what I'm saying, like how you should perceive to take the internet real if you're somebody that ain't already in that world. You're about to just jump into it.

I'm about to start a clothing line. I'm about to start rapping. I'm about the, you should ask somebody that you know already kind of living like that. And they're going to break it down for your ass like, nigger you better know what is real and fake. Because that's what I do when we become as me.

I'm like, that's the first thing, bro. Like, you better know, bro, because it's just like it's so much shit to where it's like, man, hell of rappers and jump to my girl DM. You feel me? I'm like, don't open that shit.

You feel me? I'm like, I'm like, bro, just don't open it, bro. I can't control it though. Yeah, I'm trying to say. And I know she's probably thinking the same thing happening over here. But I'm saying that again,

now y'all making up hell of rules for what cheating is. You can like a fucking girl picture now, you out of line and all this shit, bro. No, then y'all making them shit now. Nick, cheating is you fuck somebody else. Don't make up your own shit now.

You're making them shit now. So it's like, yeah, that's not should, that shouldn't make our break our relationship. You feel me? Like, it just shouldn't, bro. Like, that's the damn air is the phone. So, okay. So if that damn app delete and that shit gone, you feel me, like, they just disappear. Our relationship, our fucking love is just gone.

Like, that's crazy. Like, our shit was never real than if it was based on that. The DM thing is interesting because, like, my girl and I have been in that position where she got a DM from a famous-ass person. And I said, you ought to air that shit out. Post that. That's viral right there. You'd be on TMZ right away.

And she, like, is more like, no. I'm not going to, because she, she has, like, a moral thing where she thinks it's, like, wrong to expose somebody DM and if they, you know, like, she just doesn't think, she just doesn't think it's right to expose people in general. That's good, though. You know, which I appreciate, even though I'm like, what the, like, this is just a random guy. What the fuck is he? Right.

Let's run a play on his ass. Right. Oh, everything. That was a play, too. That was a play. Now, if I see a play with my girl, I would tell her, like, that we're going to capitalize off this. If we, see, that's what I mean, because we're really here in actual real life and real time.

know what's really going on. So I don't get that part, bro. Like, I don't get that. I really do not get that. It's kind of like, look at it like this. Me and you do a crime together. I don't know what they, we both go down. They take, they got you on one car.

I'm in your room. I'm in my interrogation room. I bet you it was hell of people who walked out a hell of preseason B hella cases because they just knew their partner wasn't saying that and they just knew not to say that. Like, we're both not going to talk, bro. Now it's another motherfucker who's going to go on there.

You're going to say, Johnny is gave you up. And then he gets to spill in his fucking guts. It's like you didn't even trust your own fucking friend, bro. I see hell the niggas get got like that. They came in there and lied to your ass and said, well, you know what's the name just gave us everything? He told us all this shit. And then they started saying everything.

Like, all right, well, fuck that I ain't going down by myself. Woo, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's like, bro, but he really just psyched you out. The cops love that one. You know what I'm saying? That's the easiest one in the world. I remember when I was 16, and me and my friend were out riding bikes and there was this, like,

light fixture or some shit. And I smashed this shit. Like, just broke it for no reason. Like, whatever. I'm just like breaking some random things. Right, right. And somehow a dude saw us and called the cops. And then me and my homie were riding our bikes home in separate directions.

And two different cops pull us over. And they tell me that he said that I did it. And then they tell him that I said that he did it. And he says, yeah, he did it. So boom, I get snished on. Like the most non-crime. This thing I broke was like already broken. Like it was just like a piece of shit that was just posted up there.

Are you serious? It was like the dumbest shit ever. And when they told me that he said that I did it, I'm thinking like, damn, he ratted on me. But he did. But because they told him that I said that he did it. So from like the age of like 16, I knew that that was a killer method. Right. You know, like that's just shit.

It worked like a charm immediately. And hell of niggas, I know. Like, that's how they got you, bro. That's how they got you like, what if your friend really was in there and not saying nothing? Like, nope. I'm like, y'all both should try to see. Just try to see. Then that's like I said.

You would see then outcome then you can see. But I think most people, they really already think a motherfucker like that. or maybe just fear or scared of the police and feel like the police got to be telling the truth, I guess. If I had to guess, if those same cops had tried that on 100 different groups of friends of suburban white teens, probably every single one of them would have fallen for that. Because you don't think the cop's going to lie to you about that.

I know why? Why would a cop lie? That's what I'm saying. Why people think that? People think like the cop ain't lying. That's crazy. I think that's what it is because, nigga, they for sure lying.

They for sure trying to make your ass tell all your partner there. Your partner didn't say shit. But they go come tell you we did and then your ass spilling the beans. Like, you f*** up. Yeah. You f*** up.

Definitely. So, okay. Why did you say that you wanted to destroy every Magdray mural in Oakland? Blu. Why do you say that? That's a good question. Seems like a controversial statement.

Look, I love Magdray, y'all. Y'all, y'all know I love this. I love them. Like I said, shout out to the crest. Shout out of Leo. But what happened was I got into it with a rapper from the Cress from Magdray Hood. I made a cover, y'all.

Y'all can go look up the album, cover his car. some mobbing. What I said, Ben mobbing or I'm already mobbing. But anyway, I put MacDrey and I put the Jack face on my cover. You know what I'm saying?

And he's trying to tell me that I can't do that. Like, I can't use MacDray face on my cover. You feel me? So I said, if you're telling me I can't use MacDrey face on my cover, I'm like, nigga, how can McRae use Oakland and have all these murals in Oakland? So that's where I came from.

I said, okay, well, I'm me erase that shit. If you're telling me, I can't, you from McRae hood, you is homie. but he ain't nobody though, you know what I'm saying? So after I did my research, like I said, I don't even got to say this weird old ass nigga name, but he was basically trying to tell me I can't use Magdray.

When I've been using MacDrey, my old motherfuckin' career, everybody knows that everybody in the Bay Pay, how much to McDrey, he's like our fucking God, bro, he is. So I'm like, I don't want people to think that it was like, so I'm glad you asked me that, but some people's like, well, you're trying to do you speak MacDrey? I'm like, nah, he was telling me I can't use Magdray, and I told him, if I can't use MacDray,

then MacDray can't use Oakland walls. That's what I told his day. like, oh yeah, you kind of had a point right there. Okay. You see? I'm like, because I'm from Oakland. McDray is from Vallejo, but all his murals is in Oakland. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So I was like, how the fuck I can't use McDray, right? Like, that ain't making no sense. And he was fucking born in Oakland and all this goddamn murals in Oakland. So I was like, what the fuck you're talking about? But he was just trying to, he was trying to troll me. You have said? He was trying to get a response and he got wood.

I gave it to his ass. I gave it to his ass. He was trying to get one. I'm like, playing. The McDray thing just will never, we'll never go away. That's just like the president of like permanently. You're dying. You're still the president.

The mad guy. He's the babe mad guy. I don't my mama y'all. Everybody knows that's the bad mad guy. But like I told you, because that was somebody who was kind of like really being his real true character and didn't really kind of give a fuck when nobody thought. I'm all shrooms.

I'm all peels. I feel like white bitches. This is what I like. And this is what it is. You know what I'm saying? So when somebody be their natural real self, I think that's what really work. And we're missing that today.

Everybody kind of being a copy. You like white bitches? What? They go crazy. Salute to me. No, the snow bunnies out there in the world, y'all. We got him. He's a bunny hopper.

Play that jiff of the FBI running in the spot. That's funny, though. I feel like that, like, I'm sitting here the other day with rainwater and whack. And they both are like, no, no white girl ever. Are you serious? And then the other day I'm sitting here with Alshan Martin from Hoover. And he's saying, he said, I'm trying to get the homies to fuck with these white girls. Like, he's talking about it.

Like, this is like the best thing you possibly do for your life. And I'm like, holy shit. Like, this is such a crazy divide between so many of the dudes that I know. And it says so much about you as a person. Right. I ain't going to lie. And I'm glad this conversation came up because it's a lot of, like, conscious speakers or like people that speak like to the black community and they wife be white. Right.

Like Damon Dash, like he talks hell of shit about like uplifting the black community. Right. Your wife is white. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, Dr. Umar, the way that he will talk to you if you are a black dude who fucks with white women. I've seen him with, I think it was ish on the No-Jumber, or excuse me, on the Joe Button podcast. Right.

And the way Dr. Umar just asked him in the middle of it. He's like, let me ask you something. Is your wife white? Yeah. Oh, there's like the tone of the conversation changes so much because Umar just, he cannot let you forget for a moment that he does not respect your decision to fuck with a white woman. Nah, that's racist. I don't give a fucking.

And he hell is any heller educated and smart enough to know what the fuck he do. He knows that race. I'm like, nah, bro, there's no. there's no color on the person. I can say that, y'all. That it's your soul and it's your character.

I don't see color when I see, but I'm looking for your soul and I'm looking for your character, bruh. I don't know the fucking made up all that weird and shit. But I didn't,

like I said, I didn't, I didn't got real fucking love y'all from white people like hell of love and hell of like money and hell of like, a white person let me sleep

on this couch one time. I did a show. He's like, you can sleep right here and DB gave me hell of weed and hell of shit. I'm like, some black people never did that for me.

So I'm like, I'm not about to do that, bro. Like, nah, bro, like, and like I said, when Crayshine and V Nasty and Little Debbie and him is blowing up, since they were with me, everybody thinking like, you co-signing this shit. I was. I'm like, yeah, I am. I can do what they want to do. They can say what the fuck they want to say. How much were you involved in that from early on? Because that was a crazy pivotal moment.

Basically, she was my camera, you know what I'm saying, man. And then she ended up coming out here in L.A. Who Creson was your cameraman? Right. You know what I'm saying? So, you do a hell of videos, bro. And everybody, when she got that. deal like I said with Soldier Boy. At this time I think she out here fucking with Soldier Boy.

Soldier Boy singing my songs all on World Star and shit. So everybody was like, you know soldier boy? I'm like, nah, he would Craig Shine, bro. So that's how he know what was kind of going on. You know what I'm saying? But he was for sure fucking with us and shit. Shout out to Soldier Boy Drakeo with this crazy ass because he knows why I am. And I'd be doing what he be doing in the Bay because he always be saying, I did that shit first. So in the Bay, everybody know. DB would I do that sometimes. I did that shit first. You feel me? So it's like, it's hell of shit that Soldier Boy created, that people don't give him credit for. it's hell of shit that I created in the Bay Area

that people don't get me credit for. So sometimes I do the Soldier Boy old niggas. Like, nigga I did that first. I did that first. Because in the Bay, I got a list. I really in the Bay, I got like 20 shit I did first before everybody. You see rappers when they take pictures

by a gas station? I started that. Oh, my mom, I'm asking everybody. When y'all see a rapper, take a picture by the gas station with a pup, I wish I could put up for y'all. That comes from DB gas guy, y'all. Real Oakland, because my rap term,

I was saying is gas. So up North, that's how people, that's how we say, and up north, everybody, if you rap good, That come from me. Really? That everybody knows that come from DB,

brad. It'd be like T.I. and G.D. and they made trap music. You know what I'm saying? If you were to look at all the rap videos throughout history, probably like the number one place

to shoot a rap video is at a gas station. Right. There's tons of gas station. I was just watching the new little Derk video. Right. He's basically just standing around on a gas station. I did that y'all hell a year ago.

For show 10 years ago. So everybody was like, DB Ben started. I used to hold the pumping shit because I'm saying I'm gassing. There you go. So when I see rappers do that, I really laugh.

Like nobody don't even know where that started from. If you want to take a fit pick, the gas station is like pretty much your best spot because it's super lit up in the middle of the night. Oh, everything. So I did a lot of shit that where I could say I did that first because nobody wasn't fucking thinking like that. And I started when I seen Soldier Boy did that. I'm like, he's fucking genius for thinking of that. That's fucking smart. So I started doing that shit too.

No, definitely. Why did you diss Mr. Fab? Because Mr. Fab tried to ride with bruh. Oh. Right. You know what I'm saying? He tried to ride with him. With filthy.

Right. He always be like. So this is back in the day. kind of both Rees in it back in the day. Right, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, he'd be always in the middle,

bruh, and I tell people like, if you're trying to be like the peacemaker, like if Oakland, because Fab is a good guy, I love, bro, that's my brother. Like he was around when I was a kid, he was right there with too short. So he kind of seen me turn in the DB,

the general. Fafb was right there the whole time. Yeah, it's hard for me to imagine him being too wrapped up in the bullshit. He's like an elder statesman. He's very wise. Right, I'm trying to say, he will impart some wisdom on your ass.

I told him he the fucking mayor. Yeah. I'm like, you're the mayor of Oakland, bro. Like, you way above us. So our problem with me and this, nigga, I felt like he could be the one to defuse that, defuse that or dead day. Because you really that role. That's the role you play in Oakland.

And we all look up to you. Nobody ain't going to fend up in Oakland. Nobody ain't going to do nothing to fabb in Oakland, bro. That's not his character. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, now you will be the, anybody who do something to fad. You look like you fucking up, bro. Because everybody know his character.

Like, you're going to look like the bully. You know what I'm saying? So I could never do nothing to him or nothing. but on a song on wax you got on the song with him you I'm saying so I had to defend myself like I said he always go get somebody when I'm on his ass like I just told you to deal with Mazi you know him so every time I walk his

ass down he tried to run for cover because everybody he can't out rap DB so I've been beating this nigger ass for 10 years and he just run and cry to people brother like oh oh so like I said I'm good over here but like you ain't gonna never fuck with me lyrically in northern northern California is probably only like one person in Northern California that can fuck with me lyrically

that's Simba that's my brother so I'm gonna give him his credit if you You ain't simple. You can't fuck with DB though. rapping lyrically in Northern California. Everybody else, you can't fuck with me. They all know that.

Do you ever feel a certain type of way about DB by the bag coming out and having? That's Brettel. Okay. You talk with them. Yeah, I fuck with him. Sometimes I'm sure people confuse you. Somebody just said that with my shoulder today.

They say, you're DB or DB by the bag? I start laughing. I'm like, I'm the rich. I'm big DV. I'm like, he's a little DB. But no, I salute, bro. He's doing this thing. Yeah, it's a little bro.

I would never hate on none of the young generations that came up after me because when they started popping. And everybody was saying, they sound like you, D. But they sound like you. They sound like you. They take your style. So I always tried to show love. Like, bro, I'm not about to be that old ass, hater ass nigga. Like, nigga. I'm a player-ass, nigga. I'm a real mob boss, y'all. Like, I ain't no hater bone in my motherfucking body, y'all.

Like, I really salute niggas. I want to see niggas win. I want to see what's better good for my brother. Even if I don't know you, like, just because I want to see people win in life. Like, I was in the hell of people's shoes before that, like, you know where you feel like this shit is not working. Like, whatever you're doing, y'all, you got to keep going. you got to get through that stage, you feel me? Because there's hell of people that if it don't happen, then like,

everybody got like a weird timeline or in a couple of months or in a couple of years. Whatever dream they're chasing, they will give up. You know my best example I give everybody? The KFC dude. Because I think KFC started popping.

Yeah, he was like 50. He was almost 60-fing years old, y'all. I don't want to say the wrong number. But when KFC pop, he was almost 60-fucking years old. So ain't no giving up. I mean, ain't no giving up, dude, no jumper cracked off

when I was like 33. Why people put age limit. on a dream. That's what I'm saying. It's like, okay, can you imagine being like a 21-year-old dude who decides I want to make it in the hip-hop media game? Right, right, right, right. It's like, it took me, if I, if you said I started 21, it took me 11 years. Right, right, right.

And now, granted, I was, like, working in, like, another field and then I kind of flipped it to hip-hop at a certain point. But that's like, you know, most people are not really down to grind for a decade to make it to the place that they want to be at. But most people that if you look at, whether it's a Vlad or a Charlemagne or, like, look at Joe Budden trying to be a rapper for a decade before he really hit it off with the podcast shit. I mean,

it's like you're going to have to grind for a long-ass time for most dreams. All of them. I'm going to be real. But we romanticize the fucking little kid drill rappers that pop off and they put out three songs and the third one gets a million of news and then they get signed by dark and you know, you know what I'm saying? So, okay, the ones I got some, the ones that do like that, they look like they pop tell

a fad, y'all, and like they own. That's like Michael Way fool. That shit go be in and out, though. it ain't going to sit around y'all for hell along so sometimes when somebody like pop so fast and it's like that shit wasn't that shit wasn't like marinated he had no training like he has never been

through it they say old school artist development I guess they don't got that no more but it is better if an artist kind of like knows what's the to come as why he's being in the hip hop world he should kind of know what's to come like I said sometimes a rapper's supposed to study other rappers shit period like you should just do that if you don't do

that I don't know you're fucking crazy because I studied all the motherfuckers I really know what's up So I don't know why people don't study other rappers, you know what I'm saying? I seen Nipsey say he did that. I see other people say like, I study Master P and I study all these niggas, Damien Dash and them Rockefeller like, if you saying you want to be in this field, why rap is the only one you could wake up today and be like, I'm rap. That's cool, but at least know something about this shit, bro.

Like, don't just do something you don't know nothing about because I could play basketball good, but I know I can't fuck with them NBA players. Yeah. I can box. I can fight cool. I know I can't get in that ring. I'm going to get my ass knocked out, you get me. So I feel like it's levels to professionalism to everything that you.

You got to know you're doing. So that's why you got to keep on going. You got to keep on practicing. You feel me? You got to do because don't think you're just the greatest in that. It's somebody else who's been training and been doing that shit hell of years before you. You just ain't ran it to them yet.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yeah, that's how it go. You got to just keep going. No, I mean, the person who's the most obsessed with learning about the game is going to be the one who wins. I think a large percentage of the time. Really, this whole podcast is the result of me going on mad deep dives into rappers and people in the industry and just all this things.

I was interested in and kind of realizing like, oh, if I start a podcast and I start talking, if I build the platform at some point, people will have conversations with me and I'll be able to learn a ton from them based on the offer of like, I'll do this conversation with you and then maybe a bunch of other people will see it on the internet, you know, which at the time felt kind of new because there wasn't a ton of different podcasts. I was basically, because I was thinking of all these people that I wanted to meet. I was thinking like, bro, I want to sit down and talk to Frato Santana, but he is not going to talk to me because I got nothing to offer. but if I start a podcast,

then maybe I'll have a reason why people will sit with me. That's what I figured, you know? I didn't manage to get that one in. You was right, though. Nah, you was thinking right because I don't know why. Sometimes I argue, like I said, shout out my brother when he first came up with, Dese baby Drakow.

Dese baby Drakow is my brother who I was kind of like defending up north against like all the EBK cast. They was on his ass. You feel me? Because he basically punched shit about their life. He was turning them into the Kardashian's basically being, hey, let's talk about every little detail of what's going on. Everybody was like, you know him, D.

I'm like, that's my nigga. He's like, bro, he's talking about. Everybody, I'm like, but y'all giving him the content. What the fuck is you talking about? So that was me always defending that nigga. Everybody's like, but then I'm like, you cannot go live, ride through the opposite. Pull out your damn SK and think ain't nobody about the fucking talk about this. You niggas can't be that dumb.

You feel me? Like, you can't be that. But y'all want to pick and choose who the, I think rappers pick and choose who they feel want to talk about them. I see niggas do that all the time. Like, oh, this dude could talk about me or these people could post about me. But if academics, like you said, are a vla. or Adam say something, now I'm hot. But this other vlog or other person just said the same goddamn shit, bro.

So I see everybody just, you're trying to pick and choose who do you fucking now, who you could feel could talk about you. That's crazy. But it's got to be weird to be like a gang member and you're doing whatever it is you're doing. People are getting killed left and right. But it's not really being covered anywhere. Like the newspaper's talking about it, but they're not really like, they don't understand

like who's who and shit. Y'all break it down on a different level. And then meanwhile, like academics or no jumper are probably just too big to be talking about whatever the fuck you got going on. Not to mention we can't just report on every single person. and that gets killed in every single neighborhood. But then all of a sudden you have a fan page pop up that's got 5,000 followers. And just because of an EBKJ bow,

because his popularity is significant enough that all of a sudden there's a bunch of fans who want to know about his ops dying and shit like that. So now you have an Instagram page that's just documenting all this crazy shit. And if you're one of those ops or whatever, it's like, you're like, what the fuck, bro? Like this is all of a sudden like something that people are making tons of content about. I ain't going to lie. I mean, that's just a crazy thing.

I ain't going to lie. When they get to that level like that, I'm just going to be honest to throw it out there, y'all. Somebody going to die. When it gets like that, I'm going to just keep it solid, bro. Somebody going to die when it's like, hella, like, just hell of bodies on bodies,

hell of cases. You're going back to jail. Everybody know about it. The regular average motherfucker at the corner store know about your goddamn beat. Like, when it's like that, it's like, somebody about to die, bro, because it's like everybody just waiting for that time.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, you don't want to put out that energy too much. Now, You could slide on your office on the song, bro, but it's like, nigga, it ain't, it don't got to all be all about that. You know what I'm saying? Or every fucking song don't got to be about that. You can switch it up.

You can have like two songs on your album about that. You don't got to write about that shit. You can't make songs about the bitches. For sure. You make songs about what you, how you was raising, where you, you know, your hometown, where you came from, shit like that. Like, every song don't got to be about.

We killed these names. But Jaybo's new album is like 21 songs and literally every single song is about just just straight murder. It's insane. And I'm like, you know what though? That actually kind of makes. makes me confident that he's going to continue to be popular. Right, right, right.

Because you remember Saigon from New York? I heard it. He was on an entourage and shit like that, but he was like the most lit street rapper from New York back in 2003. And then, and he got signed and he does an album for the label. And, yo, he was doing mad, woke shit. And he was doing mad activist type shit. Right.

And the label were just like, fuck this shit. They, like, they didn't even really get behind it. The fans didn't really go for it. super crazy. And I think his problem was when he was on the mixtapes and shit, he was talking super gutter. And he was building his fan base like that. And like your fan base does want to see you grow. But for some reason, they want to see

you embroiled in all kinds of bullshit and wild, reckless shit before they see you grow. So it's like, if you're like a street rapper, like there's a kid from Chicago named the YFG Fatso who's super fucking good. But like, he's kind of like just coming out, but his like music is super good. But then, like, you go watch these hood vlogs with them. And it's like, bro, why are you on the blog with all these guns?

Like, you and your homie's talking crazy as, like, it's just kind of worrisome. But also, like, I'm like, all right, good. He should get that shit out of his system. And then at some point, clean it up and get the fuck out of Chicago and go live in a mansion in Hollywood and really be a rap star or whatever. Because he's like really good. But it's like, you know, a lot of fans are not going to really go for your shit unless they have seen you out on the land doing some wild shit. I don't know. Okay.

Look, that's good. Because really, to be honest with you, I think it depending on the city you from, how big it is, because when you're saying this, I'm thinking in my head, like,

why Oakland Beasts, they never go to murder. I'm like, because niggas kind of know, Oakland is hella small, y'all, and I didn't say hell of shit and everybody,

like, ain't nothing there? I'm like, nah, because Oakland is so small to the point to where it's like, if you own that type of time, you and your people, everybody in Oakland know y'all,

like, them to kill the niggas, bro. I'm like, that's how small our city is. Like, everybody know who's doing that. Fimmy. Now, if you're from Chicago, like, L.A.,

all these big guys. It's got some killers. It's like, it's fucking so big, brus. Like, y'all can't really know. But the Bay, I'm in Oakland, it's name. It ain't like, it ain't that big,

but I'm like, that's why we kind of can know because I feel like, again, like, if you just make a song, just on some regular talking shit, shit capping, or just, you know what I'm saying? That's cool. But if you do start talking about niggas dead ops and niggas dead ponds and shit,

they could be like, all right, when I see that nigga, we're going to do whatever, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you could put that energy on you, you know what I'm saying? But you got to just be knowing how to really carry yourself. I feel like in real life when people meet you in person. But how do you feel? I didn't feel the other people. And they was like, oh, D.B., I was playing.

I was trolling. That shit was fake. And I'm on that type of time when I see them niggas. And they told me like, nah, but I would just, I'm like, oh. How do you feel about the EBK thing in general? Because it feels like J-Brow might be the biggest rapper coming out of Northern California right now, but he's also like the bloodthirstyest. Right.

this is what I want to say like I said to Jay well, Stockton's lit but it's mostly for not the best reasons right I don't know bro but I know

nah-da you know I know little nada well I used to tell him is that because like I say I can't I influenced the way

he rap first of all so I can't be like no that's first I influenced the way he rap you were the Reaper

one point now you know what I'm saying so I can't say I can't tell him like that but I could say that like bro you don't want

and I tell Snoopy that's the same thing bro like you don't want to make it seem like you're trying to please the street niggas and the gang niggas and all them niggas more than your actual fans

who really fucking support you, bro. It's like them niggas is some opinionated ass niggas, bruh. They don't give a fuck. They didn't buy shit. Ain't going to the fucking show. They didn't buy none of your merchandise, bro. They probably won't even want to even chill with you in a setting like that, bro. So it's like, them niggas be the niggas that want to really be in your shoes or they

fucking career fucked up. They ain't keep rapping. They're really mad. And it's like, them opinions be matter into niggas too much. I never gave a fuck about none of them niggas. I'm like, I don't give a fuck about that, but I want the money. I want the fans and I want the real support, bro. I call my fans the Army. So everybody knows, salute to the Army.

I'm deep, gentlemen. All my Army, I've been rock with my Army for 10 years. They love me, niggas. I'm like, it's about them. They don't want make you. They don't want, without a supporter, a rapper is nothing. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they make you, bro. Without them, you're nothing, bro. So it's like, why you care about what John John Arboebo said on 83rd on the street outside? F him, bro. He don't got no way. He ain't reaching shit. But for some reason, niggas care about what they think.

I mostly agree. but I also feel like the nerdy white kids that might compromise a large part of EBKJ Bros fan base are also weirdly influenced by what the streets think of him. Like if the streets turned against him and we're like, nah, he's a goofy, we don't respect him anymore. Somehow that's going to trickle down to the 18-year-old white kid playing Call of Duty listening to him.

Like at some point, they're going to figure that out too and they're going to be like, no, we don't like him anymore. So it's like, it's tough because you kind of do need to appease. Damage, right, that you already have upholded. He can't go off the image, you know what I'm saying? bro, like I said, he got to be more about his music than, like you said, just what's going on

with him. That's kind of like keeping him right there. At some point in time, he's going to have and he's still like a super young artist or really early on in his career, but at some point of time he's going to have to kind of turn the corner. He's going to have to. I hope he do. I hope he gets it. If he can get it to that point, then it's going to be dope as for sure.

Right, right, right, right. I hope you do, bro, because I ain't a lot. You ain't lying. Stockton turned the fuck up. Shout out all my stockton, niggas. I know y'all out there on y'all real gang shit. Shout out all my SACC niggas out there Because Sacramento, people don't know. Sacramento and Stockton is the valley. That's not the Bay.

Right. You'm saying? It's like an hour or two and a half away from the Bay. You know what I'm saying? They're like, them are cousins. You know what I'm saying? Sacramento and Stockton is like a Bay area cousin. We love them.

It's the same shit. Hell of people migrated from the Bay to Sack and to Stockton. But like I said, since they fall under Cripping Blood politics, that's how people know the difference. That's how everybody know like, nah, they're not the Bay. Because if you're from the Bay, you ain't going to be a cripp or a blood. But once you get to Sacramento, you get to Stockton, yeah, Like, again, L.A. in the Bay, y'all, we need to fucking come together.

All my keyways, all my da-moos. Y'all niggas know what the fuck I'm saying, bro. So it's like, I don't know why we don't do that anymore. I'm saying, I want the Bay and L.A. to come together and Cali made Cali one. That's my mission. I mean, if you really look at somebody like Mazzie, it is pretty impressive how his style has migrated and developed from, you know, it's like he's just, he still sounds dope as fuck. He still sounds cool, but he's not saying, but he's not outwardly like, and people in a way that the average fan can understand and shit.

Right, right, right. He's been able to do that transition in a way that a lot of rappers are not able to pull off. I ain't going to lie. He did it good. Like I said, to sleut to, bro, he progressed good. Like you said, even though people from up north know what's going on, hell of people in the world don't know what's going on. So he did that shit good.

He did that shit good. Like you said, in the tour appease the J-bo, every fucking body know what to go in? Yeah, that's way too much. Right, you know what you said? Like once, that's what I said, once too many people know, bro, that's when like the Reaper right there. That's what you, nigga, about to be in the cask in somewhere. So you got to watch how you playing like that, bro. You really do, though. Because what you speak out? What your words is powerful?

What you're saying? That shit could come true. You feel me? So you got to know that your words is powerful what you're saying. All that shit can really happen. Some niggas don't know that. Some niggas can be talking like, I can say anything. Nick, you spin that shit out to the universe. That shit going to happen. So, all right, you tell me, what is Lavish's place in Northern California hip-hop at this point? Is he still as much of a factor as he was 10 years ago? go because he's kind of, he's not there physically at this point, right? The only reason why I didn't, when people, because a lot of people, the only reason why I can't give him all the way to credit like that is because his career

came from Mazi, like he came from disin Mazzi. So if he didn't have Mazzi to go at, he won't have shit, you feel me? So it's like, I think he was one of the rappers that seemed, like you said, he's seen opportunity, he's seen an op and he did his thing. But even though I do know, because I've been watching hip-hop music, he was rapping, he'd been doing this thing. But at the same time, it's like, he was, more of like a comedian, like

a troll, like one of them niggas before everybody else. He wasn't never serious. He used to make hell of funny, jokey-ass videos like, Lavish D, the first clown before hell of niggas on some troll shit before niggas even knew what that was. He'd been doing that shit. So he can't say shit about nobody. He's the first troll, troll, troll, nigga from back in the day.

So I'm like, but you can't say shit about nobody. So that's why everybody always thought that he was going more in that direction. And I think he used that to jump into the rap shit. You feel? Me, though. But he was always the nigga that was like trying to diss niggas to get a response. so it can get into where it at. You feel me?

He did well, I guess. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you wouldn't be where you at if you didn't have that. If you didn't, Mazi wasn't your opt though, nigga, you would be. He'd have a problem. And if he didn't rap with my ass, because at this time, the Bay and Sacramento ain't, ain't really tap. They're not locked in like that. So I took the chance.

Like I said, and I went out there and I did the song with the nigga. And like, that nigga just, he just back. He basically backstabbed me. Basically everybody after I get the nigga out of jail with his weird old ass, nigga. So I'm like, that was a, that niggas old, so I said people like, how that happened, brother? You got him out of jail? I'm like, yeah, I got this nigga out of jail. Niggins, R.P. My brother, Zoda, Rostler, he cashed me out

like 2,5003 bands, nigga, to basically make a tape and lie, so Laf could get out of jail. He'd go on line, he talked hell of shit about me. He threw me. Nigga, D.B., I'm a woo-wo-wo, right? Yo, dumb-ass, violate your parole. Get his ass locked up. Go back to jail again. I'm like, that nigga is stupid.

Wait, you made a video to get him out? What did the video say? Wait, listen. Let me tell him. My brother, my big brother, that he basically fucking is talking to reach out to meet. Like, hey, D.B. We want you to make a little video, but make it like that was fake. You know what I'm saying? We're going to pay you so he can get this to the attorney in D.A. and get this nigga out of jail. You feel me, though? Me being a real honorable man I am, y'all. I'm real big. Free the ops. Got to free the ops.

Hey, that was perfect, Adam. I had to free the ops though, y'all. I don't wish death and jail on no man. Yeah. So I, and I'm getting paid for this? That's the code. Hell yeah. You know what I'm I'm saying? So I took that. So I always tell people everything he's doing this because of me, nigga. I could have just left that nigga in jail and let him right out. But I didn't, though. You know what I'm like? I ain't going to do him like that. He got a kid and shit. I thought about his son, really. You know what I'm like, I ain't going to do that, bro. But that nigga, his name came from Mazzie. So it's hard. But now I don't want to, I don't want to put him on the same level or none of that shit because Mazzie, the king, a sack. What all them

nags is talking about, period. Mazzie already did too much shit you niggas. I never do. So he's just the other nigger on the opposite side Kind of like me and Phil In Oakland, same shit Some people ride with Phil Everybody else ride with me You know what I'm saying So it's like it's just

Same shit like Chicago with Durk and all these other niggas It's like going on everywhere Same shit in LA that was with Drake O and YG You know what I'm saying Like this shit is going every motherfucker Wrenso you is right Like the fans make it to where it's like I'm on this side and I'm on that side

And I'm going to pick my villain And I'm going to pick my good guy Like you just said You broke it down perfect when you said Everybody gonna make you either the villain Or make you either the good guy guy that just how I go it turned like that you feel me yeah and it's tough because it's like if you choose a side then you kind of just got to rock out with whoever you're with but for me it's kind of

like a person who's trying to be an impartial observer of all this shit it's like as much love as I have for draco I can't just look at it and be like well drago's the good guy and everybody else who had something against him or the bad guy right because if you really backtrack and you look at the history of all the different shit that kind of led to the situation getting as intense as it did right If I was from where they were from, I would probably be looking at Draco, like, the worst person on earth the same way that they did. You know, like, oh, he's the one who was disrespecting such and such. That's true. But you know why you're kind of confused?

Like, I'm confused because you're just looking at Draco music. Yeah. That's why, see, that's-and-to-me-and-to-me-you-hmm. He's the good guy. He was the good guy. You got to be the good guy. You know what I'm trying to say? So I'm like, that part right there would be like, you know what I'm saying?

They do that like that. He got to be like that. So I'm like, because like I said, I didn't know how big he was until my niggas sent me down and showed me like six niggas, bro, who had a name popping, doing millions of fucking views, rapping like, Draco, feel me dead on him. I'm like, God damn, bro. So he was influential as in the Bay, y'all of North. They love that nigga.

He a guy in the, up in the Bay. He got in YG ass to YG damn near from Oakland. I don't give a fuck when nobody's say Oakland, put YG on. You feel me? So I'm like, it's a lot of people that come to Bay and know, like, y'all got to a flavor. Y'all got a sound. Y'all got all this shit dope going on. But y'all don't really have that many resources and that many big dogs

to take this to the world. So we're going to just come here and get the information and get the game and get the game. That's what the bay being like for the hell of years. When you go there and get the game, you go there and learn some shit and be like, I'm gone. When you see YG and them up there doing videos with Mazi in the hood and shit, that makes you happy for the city? Hell yeah. I'm Jews. Hell yeah. Because YG

being fucking with the Bay for hell a long. Some people just don't know. YG didn't been with real Oakland niggies, y'all for hell along. So YG from Oakland. He knows. I'm saying, nigga, you from Oakland, bro. My mom, he knows that's his second home. So it's like, and I did a tape with him. I sued that thing.

I got a tape of YG. So I've been fucking with them. I been rocking with them. I've been on that side. I got a song with Nipsey too. I did through my brother Blanco. You feel me though? Like I said, in glasses.

So I got hell of L.A. link with me that I've been trying to just do this, y'all. You know what I'm saying? Trying to bring L.A. in the Bay together. This got to happen. That's why I'm going to keep on saying that y'all. Because I'm telling you all,

when that happened, it's over for the South. It's over for the York. It's over for all of them. Because what people don't understand is that, bro, L.A., Oakland, Chicago, kind of the mid-west, and back down, all them people were trying to be like Black Panthers. So that's why when I meet people and I say, I'm from Oakland, but I'm a Black Panther baby.

They always treat me different. Older cats, because they know the knowledge and the dialogue they got. It came from everybody that was trying to be like Black Panthers. So that's why Hila gang memory just come out of that. Jeff Ford and all them, GDs, the BDs, the Crips, the Bloods, they end up peeing with my OG niggas you know what I'm saying so that's everybody is all

all these brothers I don't want to call them niggas y'all all these brothers all these kings is basically thinking on the same way on how we're going to control our community we like the first breeze of that people that coming after the Black Panthers

all these niggas trying to control our community so that's why I always be like I got to speak for L.A got to always hold it down for Chicago got always hold it down for Detroit and got always hold it down for Oakland I call it the LIA OCD the LIA OCD is L.A.

in Chicago, Detroit. Okay. You feel me? So everybody knows, like, yeah, I'm saying. So I like, that's why I'm pushing for all the, we all the Black Panther babies. Basically, we all the Black Panther babies. You feel me? So I'm like, everybody just kind of lost sight of we're supposed to be protecting the

community, y'all, and looking at the community, y'all. And now we own some other shit. Everybody got lost on that part. I don't know how. Yeah. That's a big topic. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how, bro.

Okay. This is my last big question. Did you catch wind of the comments that I made? that I was dragged by social media for, where I basically said that L.A. was a more evolved city than Northern California in general? I think I've seen that. They got on me for that.

You was right, though. No, no, no, no. Listen to me, y'all. This is what y'all don't understand, bro. L.A. is a place to where it's like, even though y'all made up, like, the check-in, everybody like, you know you should check in when you go to L.A. That's not a bad thing.

I'm telling everybody, like, you should fucking know somebody somewhere else where you going. I don't know why everybody look at that in the, bad way like oh you check then bro you check then yeah you better motherfucking check in nigga your ass want to make it back home nigga so that's not fucking stupid bro you should call somebody where you fucking go so i'm like la is the only place to where you could come to bruh and tap in with somebody and just from whoever that person you tapping into your fucking life could change like that that's not going to happen in the bay bro you'm saying like salute

to my brother angus cloud angus cloud is my brother i got a dimish i posted did a song with him and all this shit really r p my brother angus cloud he told me he got a euphruel walking down the street really I got the damn. Wow. You hear me? That's what he said. I'm like, how did you get in you for? Out here?

In LA, he said walking down, sunset boulevard. Wow. I'm like, are you serious braced? They just picked me. He had to look. You know what I'm saying? White boy with the shit. You were the saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's the, that's the boy, y'all. That's crazy. That reminds me. That's how I knew that I was not the best looking guy. Because I, when I moved. You got a crazy-in-in-look.

When I moved to New York, I had a homie that I was, like, living with. And he was probably 6-6, light-skinned black dude. Right. He'd have people coming up to him ask him to be a model all the time. Nobody ever asked me. I never got asked. He was going to ask like, I swear like once a week, somebody would come up to him like, yo, you should be a model.

For real? Nobody ever asked me. I was like, damn. I got a, I don't know. Probably not a lot I could do. They just pick my ass up. They just, they pick my ass up walking down the vlog. That's sick.

That was a crazy thing about Angus Clas. You can just tell that he was like a real NorCal baby. Man, I love, bro. R.P. Bray, y'all, he couldn't take it. But I had something to do with his father. Everybody said his father was his best friend. So after his father.

That's why he started coping with the drugs afterwards. That's what did it. Like his dad. I'm like, I understand. Because that's kind of like a black story. I mean, I understand.

He went out the way that most of the rappers that we lost in the past few years went out. You know? Right, right. That's crazy. R.P. You ain't get. Sad shit. But yeah.

All right, man. Hey, it was great having a conversation. I already knew this was going to be a good one. You're good on camera. I like it. You got to definitely talk. We should definitely try some more shit. I can't wait to see what people say about this.

I already know, bro. So everybody's been to me like, Devy just going to be your one because my personality, how I talk, hell of people just ain't never seen it. Hell of people don't know hell of shit in my name connected to because when I meet people in a person, I just be humble and I don't say nothing.

But everybody who knows who I am, no, like, nah, that's that nigga a big dog, bro. He did hell of shit. You just don't know about it. and I come off kind of young. So some people think I'm a kid. How old are you?

35? I'm 38. So I come off as a kid. Last time I was on here, I said I was 30. And everybody said, why you said that? Because I feel like Brick Baby was sizing me up. Oh, for real. That's what I thought.

You know what I'm saying? Like I said, shout out to Brick baby too. Brook cool. I'm my mama. I'm like, I fuck it, bro. You feel me? That's what I thought, though. He asked me about the Ghost Town shit.

He got family from Ghost Town. I'm like, okay. I didn't, I wouldn't expect it. He threw me left with that. But you know what? Like I said, it's hell of L.A. niggas who got family in Oakland. Y'all, what are we doing here, bro?

Hell of niggas I know. Warren G. Got family in Oakland. I just seen lines. I mean, it's hell of rappers, bro, who got family in Oakland in the Bay. So, like, I'm telling y'all, we need to bring this shit together to L.A. in the Bay, brother.

I like it, man. There's got to be something there. It's got to be something. I've been in full-blown brainstorm mode. Ever since I've seen this Vince McMahon documentary, I'm just like, man, there's got to be another level to this content. Right, right. I just got to figure out what it is.

is right right right it's gonna be a dope one though i appreciate you me i appreciate it man db thanks for coming through my guy you're already doing a big you're up north shout out oakland shout out the bay shout out stockton hate to smear you stockton but you guys are you got you got to clean up your axe hey everybody no jumper coolest podcast like comment subscribe db the general we out