No Jumper - DeSean Jackson on 15 Year NFL Career, Alleged Gang Ties, Retirement & More

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Adam and Bricc Baby sit down with DeSean Jackson to talk about his journey, his career, and his retirement. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumperofficial     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here with my man Brick, baby. Don't be late. And we've been talking about doing this for a while. Man. But we're up in our No Jumper Sports Index. We're getting a little bit more diverse with it. Deshaun Jackson in the building.

Future Hall of Famer, by the way, man. Who wanted to bait? Luke, man, was good, man. I know we've been trying to bake this happen for a while now, so I know the Big Hungry Pee, been telling me, man, you got to get on No Jumper. He's been saying that shit for the past. like two or three years, bro.

So it's a pleasure to come, you know, and bless the presence, man, with my brother, you know, I've been knowing this dude for a long time. Really? So you think he's shady or what? Well, I think he's shady, hell, no. I mean, you know, he got the name, you know, but he ain't shady. He'll know, he's a solid dude, man. I've been knowing, I've been knowing him before all this, you know what I'm saying?

Like a couple of Thirsty Crips? Oh, really? No, but he ain't shady. Now, he's a good honey, man. I mean, he's just, he's kind of under the microscope these days. They've got people making documentaries about him and like that. And he's running into the people making the documentaries a week later. You know, and I'm treating them very professional.

Extremely professional, yeah. They're very accepting to people digging into my life. I mean, if you can, my thing is, if you can access it, then go ahead and review it. Do you feel the same about your life? Yeah, I mean, you know, as far as like, you got to understand, man. Like, I've been, I don't really want, I don't like saying celebrity, you know, because how I was raised and how I grew up. But, like, professionally, you know, I've been a professional for 15 years.

You know, last year was my official last year playing this year my first year. You know, I don't like to say retire, but, you know, taking some time away from the sport. Because, you know, I can really go back and get my shit off and still playing the league. But it's like right now, like I said, man, like when you make it from where you come from and people are used to you, in a certain way and then like you cross over to the celebrateness or the successfulness and the tax bracket change you getting money you getting likeness you you own pocket you know what I'm saying like everybody's not happy for you you feel what I'm saying and coming from we come from like me I love the hood I

came from I love the people that was raised with me that I grew up with me and for me with my platform I just try to reach back and help and bring people out of that you know I'm saying because everybody don't have the opportunity to lead that you know so for me and I'm sure or bro going through the same thing that now he's you know Hobb Tower you know he didn't got a lot of success on this platform but

a lot of people ain't gonna be happy for you I'm sure you had to go through the same thing Oh of course yeah totally But I mean There's very few people like That are from your age bracket In LA or whatever that managed to make it To the extent that you made it

And that's got to cause a lot of jealousy And envy from people that are around you And especially coming from a place like LA That's mega competitive kind of grimy. For sure. It's a very street element. Any kid who grows up out here.

Sure. You're right on the point. But I mean, that's the edge about being raised from here and growing up here. Because, like, you could go all across the world, New York. I haven't been everywhere in New York, Houston, Atlanta, Florida, you know what I'm saying? It's like, everybody knows. Like, man, you're from Cali. Like, Cali, and it's crazy

because, like, people really think I'm from the South because, like, we got a slang. Like, people, Cali, people talk. We got, like, a slang. So, they really be like, man, like, I know you from Cali, but y'all don't sound like you from Cali, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like it kind of raised you to be, like, strong.

Like, I feel like East Coast dudes, they think they're tougher in us, oh, they cold, they got boots on there. You know what I'm saying? Then we grow up palm trees and nice weather. So it's like, we kind of soft to them. But it's like, bro, the way we was raised, like, you got to think our era, how we grew up.

is transformed across the whole world. You know, as far as game-banging, people are game-banking. Going to other, like, Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? He could speak on that, like, other spots. They're taking the game-banking and trying to-in-per-my experience. The percentage of people carrying guns at a young age is way higher in L.A. than it ever was on the East Coast. For sure.

I had a limited experience because I just wasn't around that in general, but in general, it feels like L.A. being in high school and having a gun is very common. Our generation, we looked at New Yorkers in East. coast people as slicers. We don't really know them to be shooters. Like, even in their movies, they'd be pulling our little 380s and all that stuff. Like, out here, it's different. Like, in our

generation, we grew up with the older homies with the weight sets in the front yard. You know what I'm saying? It's different. Like, you know, it's changed more. Because ain't fighting no more either, but back in the day, you could catch a friendly fade. Now, you get beat up or you even try to fight.

They're not going for that. They pull the straps out. But like I say, when we was raised, if we had an issue, we had to go in the backyard, we had to catch a fade, you shake his hand, you go about your day. Now you catch a fey,

you beat somebody and they're ready to kill you. So it's like the time just changed, bro, and it's like nowadays these dudes is 13, 12, 13, 11 years old, jumping off the porch,

trying to shoot shit on Instagram, going viral, like, it's crazy. I told Adam at my daughter's birthday party how many, remember I told you how many blickies I confiscated?

Oh, yeah. He's a young kids, right? No, it was her graduation. party, bro, from eighth grade. From eighth grade, bro. I'm thinking he'd been to say graduate in high school. I had three of them on me because I'm at the front. They're sick.

They sick. They sit. They're like, go ahead. There was a video that just went viral on Twitter of a bunch of kids in Chicago with hell of extensions and drums and switches on their shit. And like so many people just trying to wrap their head around these kids who look like they're like 15 with all this firepower.

And Chicago is different. Yeah, but it's like you want to say. Just like that day, like you don't need it, and I want to keep it in like until they put, but if those kids are coming outside into that environment and there's an adult that's over there that knows that these kids need it, that's a dangerous environment. You get what I'm saying? I was feeling like if they came to the party with maybe if I take it from them and they go back to where they're going, it might really be warfare. And something happened to them. So I really gave them back at the end. Because you don't know, like you said, when they leave and they go back home or wherever they're going, you don't know what they got to go through.

Can I ask you this? Are you able to be more of yourself now that you're not in the NFL? Like a moot. I got some, you know, a little bit of liquor that I'm drinking on. You know, for me, like, with the weed thing, you know, like, I play 15 years in the NFL

and, you know, I've been smoking, I can go all the way back to high school, bro. Like, like, marijuana has been a form of healing for me for a long time, you know what I'm saying? Like, I got exposed to her at an early age and never was really like, told it was bad or it wouldn't help you know what I'm saying it just like we young we have fun that was the cool thing to do so the older I got and playing sports like it never was like oh you play sports like you if you smoke you're not be as good as you know football so for me like I didn't know no better bro and then like now I'm looking up like more people are like being open you got Ricky Williams you got Charles Johnson like a lot of yeah Marshall like a lot of players because when you plan to lead you can't you know obviously you're the shield you know you're brand you're brandy will you're brandy you're than the NFL so these teams these owners they don't want you out here promoting that you know and you

got kids to look up to you so for me it's never been about promoting to like a bad thing it's like this helps me like I would rather smoke some herbal essences than you know take a pill that they subscribe me when you get hurt you know what I'm saying because it mess up your liver you know I'm talking about pills just mess up your liver your blood your kidneys you know what I'm saying if you don't get flush like a lot of people can't play in NFL games without taking a shot so when I tell you A shot is like it's a pain shot. So like to not feel no injuries. You know what I'm saying?

I had to do that a few times when I played in my career. But for me, like after the games, because I'm not the biggest dude, you know what I'm saying? I'm playing the NFL 15 years. And, you know, to be playing versus dude, 6, 8, 300, like shack height. I'm playing on the field with them. And they try to kill me.

Every time I'm out there, they try to kill me. I remember once I'm running the game, I get tacked about a big dude. This whole shit cracked. Like, I fractured all this, bro. I'm like, you know, for me, not to cut you off from me. Not to catch you off. You know, the weed kind of was my healer, bro.

And like you said, to answer your question, I feel like now that I'm retired, like, you know, I can beat myself a little more now, you know? Is there an opioid, like, an epidemic in the league? Also, like, because I know that they prescribe stuff and they keep it under the table and all that stuff. But do you see players that get hooked on the pain meds and all that? And that's when their career declines. Man, listen, that's real, bro. And I don't, I ain't saying no name.

Yeah, no, no. Like, in general, I know for a fact, and he was a hell of a player. But his career, his career went down. And, you know, he was on the Adderos. The Adderos, like, make you focus, you know what I'm saying? Like, anytime you work and, like, I know a few females that I didn't talk to, like, oh, I'm in school and I'm studying. I got to pop these Adirons.

Like, it keeps me focused. But, like, I didn't see dudes that was ballers in, like, downfall, bro. In the less of, like, two, three years, bro, and getting addicted to these drugs, bro. So it's like, that's crazy, bro. Wow. So can you take us back to, like, okay, where technically are you from?

Because I was just listening to a phone call with you and Bosco yelling at each other, arguing about where you're from and everything. So let's clarify specifically. You know it's Craig. So, man, Bosco, man, I met Bosco, man, when I was young, bro, like, I was probably like, I had to be anywhere from, like, 10 to 13, bro.

Like, literally, like, young, like middle school. and, you know, I used to stay in Engwood. I lived in Engwood, which in general, you know, was Englewood Avenue and Regent Street. That's in the Queen Street. So I grew up. I wouldn't say grew up, but I lived over there for probably like two, three years, bro, and my dad was actually dating my little brother and sister mom at the time.

And, you know, my mom and dad kind of, like, you know, separated and what I do. You know, I tried to go live with my mom for a year or two. She moved to Atlanta, and her and my sister moved to Atlanta, So I go out there and try to do the sports, you know, with my mom, and it's just really then pan off. So I'm like, I got to get back to L.A. with Pops. So by this time, Pops moved in with my little brother and sister, mom, and they was right there on the corner of Inglewood Avenue and Regent Street, bro.

And I lived over there for like two years, bro. So, like, my Pops, my mom and Pops was from the East Coast. They don't know nothing about Game Man. They don't know. Nothing about no street. Like, it's hoods everywhere, right? But, like, in Pittsburgh, they ain't Gang Bang. And they street different.

So when I came out here, Pops was like, look, my pops was a fool, bro. Recipe of my pops, he passed away in Illinois. You remember every year's story, but Pops, when I tell you, look, Adam, my Pops, he was like, when he carried his gun everywhere, and, you know, Cali, you can't carry, so I'm telling you, like, pops was turned up, like, but he was,

we used to come in and out of the house, and, you know, he used to see the dudes out there hanging out, you know, the Bludes was the Queen Street around that time, and I don't know if you know, Donut. You know Big Donuts from Queen Street, that's the homie, that's the homie, he's the homie, he's the homie, he was the, he had to be in before. Like, he's been up.

here with him. Donuts sounds very familiar. Yeah, but he's a solid dude, but... Matter of fact, he was here with somebody, but... Yeah, you know, you'll do your homework on them later on, but I'm telling your story just because, you know, that little situation when you're in a boss, well, that shit really had me hot, bro, so I'm breaking down a story because it's my opportunity to I never really spoke about a publicly, because during the time the homies was like, you know, I was ready to turn up with bro, and the hummys

like, bro, don't do that, you're on a way bigger skill, like, no one's scoop down to his level, but now I'm able to really explain it. So I'm telling you, like, Donah at the time was the big humming from Queenstries around the time and my pops used to be like because you know pops was I was very active taking me to sports I was in I was hanging out of the streets and he knew like you know growing up in LA you like if you're gonna do anything you're gonna

game bang because you come home from school you win the streets this what happens so pops I remember posy had his gun he come home one day if y'all let my son be from y'all I'm gonna kill all y'all if I'm lying I'm flying you can ass ass big don't that he was like if y'all let my son be from

his hood I'm gonna kill all y'all pops didn't he didn't game ban he was not the game. He wasn't, he was tough, but he didn't game bang. And I'm telling you this, one dude. He ain't have a group of dudes. He just telling him, like, if y'all let my son get put on the game bank, then I'm killing all y'all. But you got to respect fatherhood in his rarest for him.

Like, yeah, you get what I'm saying? Even the outside didn't take that as a threat. They knew that if Pops was standing on business. You know what I'm not. Yeah, like, let him go ahead and do his thing because we don't want to deal with his crazy-ass daddy. Man. He ain't going to be able to hang out. That's how my dad was. Like, I was

hanging out, like, at 11, 12, and my dad knew so he had dropped me off and let me go pull up in the West Boulevard is on the block and come skirt down in the town like getting the corn like that you was coming over here I'm like man I was just coming again

you know we're accustomed to with the hobbies in the law when you young you look up to certain that's what you were accustomed to but you know pops really wasn't having that bro and to go back to answer your question though like like Bosco was trolling on some shit because like one day it was on some they did try to put me on

I wasn't allowing that to happen I got up out of there. Like, y'all trying to put me on and make me be from over here. Like, I'm not on that, bro. I'm playing sports. I'm doing my thing. I get up out of there. So he tried to say, like, some, I got in the fight and I ran from somebody.

It wasn't even owned it. It was like some petty-ass she. Like, oh, yeah, he ran from this. And then he's from Queen Street. Like, for one, I'm not for Queen Street. And for two, they tried to put me on. I got up out. I wasn't going for that.

That's not running from a fade if you don't want to be from a other. Right. So could I, like, go back just a little bit? So before Ted, was it? the Lambert Park Critchard District. So that's where I'm fin to get to. So before 10, we was in West L.A. We was off of, like, Los Yenna Cianna C.

And, um, yeah, like right over by Los Yank and Wilshire, like just West L.A. bro. Like I lived over there. And then, like I said, Monsa Pops separated. Yeah. Went to Atlanta, came back, stayed in England for like two, three years. Pops moved from there. He, the situation got rough with my little brother and sister, mom.

We moved from there. And then that's when we moved to Limerk Park. So I moved to Limerick Park, probably like around like, like, like six, since grade. So that's when I'll stay right there on 40-second of Northern. So that's when kind of like my whole introduction to like growing up in the 40s

and being South Central Lamar Park, that was really more home because I stayed over there more and it was like I adapted and gravitated to that area more. Like people really took me up under their win. You know certain homies in the area. They was like, oh, you play ball.

Like stay on your ball. Like I ain't never not have a dude like, oh yeah, here, take this gun or go do this because they knew I was playing ball. Like you really got certain big homies to look out for kids. Like a lot of certain dudes, they steer these kids in the wrong directions. But around the time I moved to Lamarck Park,

I really had good dudes around me because they seen I was a real baller. And they're like, stay away from the old ball. But I still grew up in the fogies and that's where I was raised. You know what I'm saying? So that's when people ask me where I'm from where I was raised, I come out of the 40s, you know what I'm saying, Lamurred Park, baby. And it sounds crazy, but moving from Englewood to Lamert Park is moving up in life

because people think Eaglewood is not. But the Quay Street right there, That guy drive me right there. Every night I went to sleep, bro. I swear to God, it was a couch and there was a window. And I slept on the couch because it was the one beer room. I slept on the couch every night. But I used to hear gunshots every night.

I'm on the window. When I tell you, I had the flow, damn there, every night. Because I'm hitting a nigga heart beating. That's how it's a good. Nigger, what? It was sick over there, bro. So, you know, like I said, I did hang around. And you know what I'm saying?

I was cool with certain dudes from that area over there. But I never, like, once claimed it. I never like once God put on. It was just I hung out in that neighborhood because that's where I was from. As a kid where you live at, that's what you're going to adapt to, bro. That's how we grow up.

But it's funny because it's like if you're, if you become famous and successful and they just, if they know anything about you from back in the day, even if it's like nothing, it's just that's something

to make content out of it. And I got love for Bosco, but he is so the dude. It's like going to just have to hammer away on that and turn it into a punch line or something. And it was real situation. that didn't happen, you know, that, you know, I really would never get into, but, like, he knows, so, me, and I don't really play with the internet, bro, because I, like, I know a lot

of people, like, think shit cool on the internet, but, like, people get hurt, you know what I'm saying, and that, like, you can't be playing out here, you can't be trolling people, because everybody ain't playing, you know what I'm saying? Like, my name, man, like, our names is all we got. So, as far as every step of the way I walk, bro, I'm going to always be clean cut. I ain't going to never have no smut on my name, nigga, can't never say, I don't I'm a buster. I'm a square, I never turned down a...

You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, because I come in with respect, bro, and I leave out the same way, bro. So as long as you don't disrespect me, bro, I don't got no... I don't care. Where are you from or what you do, bro?

It don't bother me. It's crazy because one of our mutual friends, he had to remind me when the first time that I came across, because I thought it was like in Berkeley, because, you know, you was going to school over there, and Gus was always in... We didn't talk about him later

who had read... to do you, but Gus was always in jail, so I didn't meet you through none of them. But we was at a function. Maybe patriotic haul, by the bed, something like that. You're talking about ways up in the bay? No, no, no, no, down here. Down here, it was in high school, right when you had moved to the neighborhood from Inglewood, because, mind you, our mutual friend living in Inglewood, you know who it is.

Exactly. It is. He's like, he's like, we about to get the trip in with the Eaglewood. Right. No, no, no. you put up with the homies. Yeah, that, I know. I'm like, I'm going to go out of my bro real quick, real quick.

It was the after-hour spot down. It was like some after-hour spot down. Yeah, and our mutual friend, like, oh, no, he over here. So that's how the angle was. He didn't never say that you was from over there. They just remember me like, oh, he did say that, though. They did see me that night. They was like, oh, he posed to be from over here.

And that's when they were like, no, like, he was like. Yeah, and I'm like, what the fuck is? And they remind me about that night. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Because I'm thinking it's when clipping them moved up there. You're saying you're from the 40s, but you never really got into the whole. No, I never really had to get into no game man. Like I'll say, like, I just growing up, bro, that, like, I'm going to say this again,

just be clear. Like, wherever you raise that being from L.A., bro, it's either you're going to be around the area and hang out and be one of them dudes they always mess with or are you going to be one of them dudes that they just cool with? You know what I'm saying? So I was the one they was cool with. Like, I never was the one where it's like,

I'm going to be living in this area and I ain't going to be cool with them. Because guess what that's going to happen? You either going to get beat up, they're going to bully you, and going to mark you out. You feel what I'm saying? And for me, it was just like,

I'd rather hang out with the hummies be cool with the homies have a relationship with the homies and not have to be on no buster shit. And it's like, if I went to school over here and these is my friends. That's where I was living at the time. I need my friends. Like, I never joined no gang.

Listen, my dad lived in the jungles. So my grandma lived in Westboro, where my mom always lived around Slauson area. Like, we always was less than four minutes from the hood. You get what I'm saying? So I got a whole lot of friends. You know, I would, Dorsey, you know, my whole click is the Dorsey click. You know that.

I'm not going to lie to you, bro. When I grew up, I played Pop Warner Football in Engle with my whole career. being from young, when I say my whole career young, from like nine years old, bro, until I went to high school, bro. I played in Inglewood. And the parks we played in is, you can call them enemy hoods

or you can call them the blood, whatever you want to call them. Like, me being young and me being now where I'm at, I would never go do that same shit in that way. My daughter was just cheerily. Are you playing with Darby Park? No. I grew up playing the Derby Park.

That's what might you be in there front. Okay. That's right there about it's the SoFi Stadium, bro. But as a kid, our coaches all our coaches was like cribs and like you know from schoolyards neighborhoods like all our coaches was coaching us at a blood at a blood part like the part we grew up in was a blood part and you just weren't even thinking of it like that or just

it ain't even you're right so we wasn't thinking about it like that but at the end of day we excuse me we knew that like we was around crips we hung out with cribs you know what I'm saying it was bluzz around too because the LA you're going like I got cousins friends is blus like it's not really like what people make it out to be like just because you're a bludder you from a certain hood, like don't mean we can't be cool. Now, certain hoods, depending on what the politics and, you know, what's going on, yeah, you can't be cool. But, like, as a young kid, we're not thinking about being at Darby Park and being young kids

because back in the day it was different than how it is now. Like, now me going over to Darry Park and hanging out like it's cool would never be cool. Back then as a kid, I wasn't thinking. When did it start to become obvious that you had, like, a real serious amount of talent for football? And, like, did people start to really, like, push you into the right direction? what was that whole process like? I go back to Pop Warner, bro. Exactly where I'm telling you at right now.

Like, when I was playing for Engle with Pop Warner, like, I was one of the best on my teams, bro. Like, I literally was one of the fastest, was one of the smallest, but, like, I was always one of the best players, bro. So, like, for me, I kind of always knew I was good, bro. Like, I ain't going to lie. Like, every team I always played on, I was one of the best. So, like, it was just like, shit, we had good teams.

D. Jack was always one of the fastest and the best one on the team. So why not Englewood? High School, Crenshaw High School. Good question. You know, out the city, I'm just going to say, like, what is it, Dorsey, Chris Shaw, Westchester. No, but what I'm saying, that was good in football. Westchester was good.

At that time? Yeah, they were strange. Oh, yeah, see, I just know that their basketball program was prestigious, so it was, you know. So how did y'all come up with Long Beach? Well, honestly, bro, my pops, he was like. He was like a damn near my agent at this time, bro, because, like, he was shopping me around all these different teams. And we had, we had Crenshaw, Venice, Westchester,

and what other school am I missing? What other school was good around then? Taft. Taft. We had all them schools, but my pops had a relationship with my old, with the coach. And my older brother one time was like, we're going to go out to Polly

and we're going to really, like, you know, sit down and holly at him. Because Polly was a powerhouse. I was just like, how did you come up with? Polly was a powerhouse. I think, honestly, bro, Polly was the best move I ever did, bro, because at a young age, bro, and how I was so good, like going to Crenshaw, going to Westchester, going to Vend. It would have been cool, but why not go to the best of the best, bro?

Long Beach Polly is one of the best high schools to ever put people into the NFL, bro. Willie McGinnett, Snoop Dog, Cameron, D, you know, and I'm just saying just celebrities and stars, you know what I'm saying? So for me, it was like, once Pops took me out there, we met with the coach, and I'm seeing him. Like my freshman year, bro, was Herschel Dennis,

Mercedes-Lewis, Neier Wright, Darnell Bing, like all these dudes went to SC, bro. It was like five, six scholarships they gave to SC, and I'm like,

I'm like, oh, yeah, it's on. What was your quarterback, man? Brandon Brooks, Leon Jackson. Lyon Jackson. Because he went to Beverly Hills.

He went to Beverly first. Yeah, I lived on Somerset Jefferson right across from me. So you know, right. Yeah. So my thing, bro, was like, just putting my son.

in the best position, bro, to, like, see, Polly was one of them schools where, like, you got all types of scouts coming, college scouts, you know what I'm saying? So, like, just to look and to be able to, like, know, like, for sure, if I go ball and I'm for sure going to get a good scholarship and good teams to come, like, fuck with me type of shit. So that was my thinking, bro. Yeah.

So, okay, like, through high school, were you thinking, like, oh, I'm at the level where I might really be in the NFL one day, or are you still kind of being humble about it because you're obviously coming from a background where, you know, this is not, it's not like you're having, like, the elite trainers and crazy money behind you from a young age. It's like, when did you start to become confident?

They're like, oh, shit, I could really do this. He still had the trainers, though. Me, I did. See, Adam got her, you got a really, like, I ain't going to say it like that, but, like, if you go look up, bro, like, I got documents. I got, like, you know, a lot of shit out there on me, bro. So, like, if not too busy at your time and your day, bro, if it cares you, bro, like, really go look at my story, bro.

But, like, my dad really. implemented, like, a team around me, bro. So as a young kid, I was always advanced. That's why I was always so good, bro, and head of the game, because for one, I always played with older cats. So, like, if I was eight, I was playing with the 10-year-olds, you know what I'm saying? That's growing up. So, like, I was always advanced.

And, you know, I just had to get on my son that day. He out there playing versus a 10-year-old. And I'm like, bro, this is going to make you better. Like, you don't understand. You're crying. He's hot. He ready to squabbing all that. I'm like, I'm looking at him as, nigga.

That's me. You know what I'm saying? Because that energy, you got to put it into the field, bro. So for me, it was like I always, like, had that team around me that always advanced me, bro. My older brother made to the NFL, but he was, like, made it on a practice squad. So, like, I used to always tell him, like, I'm going to make it and be way sicker than you ever was. Because, like, all y'all trained me. Like, I got, like, full-fi.

I got my older brother, Travis Clark, Derek Davis, and Irvin Booker, and then Byron Jackson, they all train me. And then Coach Coblion was my track coach. I had the best of both worlds, bro. And a lot of people really don't give me the credit, bro, because they just see me and they just like, oh, he's just talented, bro, but they don't really know the work I already put in, bro. Like Saturday, Sunday instead of hanging out

and doing shit in the hood, bro, I'm really training. You feel what I'm saying? I have fun. We all went out and did, you know, the player shit. But, like, the end of day, bro, like, what separated me, bro? And a lot of my homies I grew up with, and I'm sure, you know,

Brick could tell you, but, like, bro, we all wanted to go to the league. Like, every one of my homies or everyone, one of my teammates that I played with, bro, legitimately could have made it to the league. But the difference was the separating me from them, like I literally stayed on that straight narrow road, bro. Like I maybe, you know, steer it off here and near,

but like it was probably just like a little foot or a pinky. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like all the way off and I had to figure it out. Like I was always one of them dudes I was like, I would try to bend the rules, but I'm still stay on my point. You know what I'm saying? So like for me, I just was dedicated,

bro, and I really knew what I wanted to do at a young age, bro. That's crazy. Were you, was there ever times Were you kind of strayed from that path? Or were you just like 100% focused on that? No, nigga, I was straight from that path, nigga. Plenty of time. Well, he came out and started smoking weed.

That's the first fuck up, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Like, bro, it's, you know. But that's once you're in the league. He just, this is the thing. Man, hell no. I was playing for him was going to the league. And you can't take that away

because the people he used to come out with, like his best friend. That's what I was saying. Like, like, like, runner, bro. Cuzz could not get a break. That nigga was in jail every time he got out of jail since we was 13, 14 years old.

Right or wrong. Yeah, man, he just stopped going to jail. That's why I'm happy as fuck for my bro. This is his first like two-year stretch, three-year stretch. Because I loved you. I used to go to jail so much, I'm like, my nigga, like,

do you love jail, bro? Like, I ain't never seen nobody to love jail. Yeah, so like him diving and really staying focused. Like, that's very hard because I was a dog on the court. Like, a super. Like I'm going to Mississippi to play at basketball, prep school, all that.

At 5-8, I'm dunking on shit, all of that. You know what I'm saying? But the thing is, my parents was hustlers. They didn't play sports. So why they all hustling, when I go to the street, it's not that bad long as I ain't fucking up. Then it ain't that bad until I ain't fucking up turned into me trying to take another inch. Now I got blick. Now I'm getting caught with blick.

You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you this, though, bro, because I'm trying to. feel like you really know me, bro. So, like, what, what you feel like separate me or what you feel like was the reason I already made it, bro? Because you've seen me from a four-a-work close, bro. We didn't have been around. That's what I said.

Like, what you really think it is, bro? Like, the athleticism, though, bro. The speed, I feel like it had to be a mental path that you was on because as kids, when I was coming up to Berkeley, even then, like, another one of your teammates was fucking off. he's still a fuck-up. For sure. Behavior is crazy.

We was fucking with him, though. I don't want to even bash my boy because he out the league or whatever. You know, beast mode. You know what I'm saying? We used to go fuck with beat's mode. And he still used to be in the streets. But he, you go up there, you're giving the ends, whatever. He's about to go work out, though.

I'm all that child when I'm done working out. I'm going to go smoke. You give it upset and shit like that. You already know, bro. So he had a stronger head. You had a stronger head from the beginning. beginning and that's why you still in the football game

you don't stay in the league as long as you did bro you even did it right there. You can name how many riot receivers stayed there for, well, 15 years? Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, bro. At a high level too. Come on, you didn't let nothing break you.

You have some major stuff going on that I'm sure we'll get into, but I don't know what part of your question you have, but I guess like what did the decision look like as your leaving high school. Honestly, bro, I was really from the commit to LSU, bro.

Nick Saban was the head coach at that time, bro. And it was something about that South, that Southern, that Cajun food, than women. Like, in my, it was crazy at the time. My girlfriend, I don't know if you remember Jennifer Hodrick, she went to Westchester, bro. But I grew up, like, me and her, I was like my high school sweetheart. You know what I'm saying? And we was locked in.

But I was damn near like, Mary, bro. Like, I was in love with Jay Hyde, bro. and then she ended up signing to, she committed because she played volleyball. Not volleyball, she played softball. And she committed to Southern University. So I'm like, man, I'm going to go to LSU, bro. But like, honestly, bro, I had, I had S.C., LSU, Oklahoma, Florida State, Miami.

Like, name it. Like, name it. Nick, I could have went in. It was crazy. The only two schools that really didn't offer me with Stanford and UCLA. But they knew they, you know, Stanford, you got to be hell smart. Yeah, UCLA was like, We're not getting him over SC.

Was Berkeley powerhouse? Or you was just like this where I fit in and I'm just make my step? Berkeley, you got to remember, bro. When Aaron Rogers and Marchion went there, they turned the program around. So they weren't even really sick like that at that time. They just was turning the program around

and they beat SC the year before that. I would think I was a junior in high school. Junior, you know, I'm going crazy. All-American, balling, doing all types of crazy shit. And SC get cracked by Cal at SC, bro. And I'm like, oh, I'm sitting back. in the SC, I'm like, cut, Aaron Rogers hard. I'm looking at him because Aaron Rogers in college,

bro, it was amazing. Then you had these beast mode going crazy as a freshman. So it was just something about like Cal, bro, in the Bay Area. Like, being from L.A., like, I couldn't stay home, bro. Like, me going to S.C., like, as much as like I look back and like, damn, like I kind of wish I would have went to SC was probably really the best thing, bro, for me to leave the hood. Because you all the thing, SC is right there in the 40s, bro.

That's good. The only would have been there. Everything, bro. So for me, it was more strategic. And me, like, bro, I got to get away from home. I got to go grow up on my own. Like, because if I literally went to S.C., bro, I'd have been getting calls every day.

Like, bro, I'm coming up to the school. And I didn't need that, bro, because my focus, like, bro, said. Like, the reason why I've been successful when I am successful is my mental, bro, I know how to lock in and go accomplish where I want to do. But I'm picturing going to college and you're a fucking football star to whatever level. Like, the girl's shit must be crazy. the opportunity to party must be crazy. Sure.

And then you also have to do your fucking school work. Sick. And you got to exercise and train and play. It's sick, bro. I mean, it doesn't sound like easy by any means. No, definitely, man. You really, like for me, bro, like, I love having fun. So, like, for me, the fun was, like, get your shit done,

then go turn up and go have fun because we're going to do all this. This shit is extra. You got to go get your work. You got to clock in before a dick can go have fun. Because if you don't click, lock in and you're going to have fun. You're not making shit. I'm going to be real.

You're not going to make no money. You ain't going to make no life. Ain't nobody going to want to hire you. Who's going to fucking have a person working that ain't finishing their business before they're going to have a fun? You tell the thing that's catching old. That it's 30. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? I'd have had all the work in the world, man. That shit doesn't mean. Nothing. Nigga, I'm telling you that now, boy. I had houses you can't even sleep in and been packed with. Hey, got to. Hey, got to have that mental.

Everything, bro. You can't just go to the ball at the strip club and all that, man. Don't be clocking in nowhere. You got to make something your 9 to 5 in order to structure yourself. Did you manage to stay mostly focused throughout that time in college? Like, when you look back at it, are you content with the amount of, you know, dedication you had to being an athlete? Fuck no. Really?

Fuck no. And the reason why I say that, I feel like. bro shit came so easy to me like even even me working as hard as I worked that shit was easy and I feel like I really I worked hard but I ain't work hard enough and that's me being real as fuck like I could sit here and be like oh yeah I gave it the best I got I got this record I beat Jerry Rice record I played 50 years in the league I'm pro bowler one of the first players ever to to fucking walk off a punt return to beat the Giants one of the first players ever to be selected to two different positions to start two different positions in the pro like it's so much that I could keep going back on the sand but it's like shit came easy to me bro and like sometimes I took advantage of like how really how good I already was bro because like I ain't study film I ain't watch film bro I'm gonna be real like all this mom of Tom Brady all these motherfuckers to sit here and be like uh watch film like bro I didn't watch film but just imagine if I would have watched film or just imagine if I would

have worked a little harder you know because shit didn't come so easy like just imagine where I'd have been. But you know, at the end of day, like, you live and you learn, bro, like, I tell my kids, like, that's life. Like, if you don't live and you don't go do certain shit and run into the war this many times before you learn that, like, it is glass. This is going bust my fucking head open if I keep doing that shit. Like, how can you get better in life? Because now that I'm older, it's so obvious to me that hard work and sacrifice is basically, like, the whole thing when it comes to being great at something. But when you're young, it's like the temptation. You just want to have fun because you haven't experienced these.

things. Like now at this point of my life, it's easy for me to just like, like now I feel like it's an obligation for me to go out and socialize, go to parties and shit, be around people. Whereas like, when I really got focused in my life and decided that I was really going to be successful, I really had to like force myself to stop going out, stop being, you know, hitting the bar at night and shit like that because I, you know, when you're younger, it's like you still want to really have those experiences for the first time. Now that you're in the position you're in, a lot of that shit seems old. Whereas you realize now that that opportunity, you know, that opportunity to be a professional athlete

as once in a lifetime. So you might as well fucking 100% focus on it, you know? Give it all you got. Hell yeah, you got to. Definitely. Okay, so how is, so how was the college experience overall?

Man, I wish I could before college, I wish I could go back to high school. I had so much fucking fun, bro. Like, now I'm sitting there in front of you. I'm 36, bro. You just said you've got to be 40 and, you know, a few days.

Happy early birthday to that. But like, we sad. So I told him. for the red haul. I feel like this is going to be a good vibe. Me, you and future. Yeah, no, for sure, bro. But, like, honestly, bro, like, man, the experience was fucking lit, bro.

Like, I'd have so much fun, bro. Like, there ain't shit I didn't do, bro. And now it's, like, being 36 still so young, you know, two boys, you know, eight and five. Like, I still got the world ahead of me, bro. Like, I play in the NFL all these years depending or knowing that this year, I got $8 million. Next year, I got $10 million this year. I got $11.

Like, that was. what the support was. So now it's like, I didn't make a lot of money. I didn't put it a lot of great places, but like the type of nigga I am in the hustler I am,

I ain't satisfied with the money I made in the NFL. Like I'm, like I would meet you today and you wouldn't even think I made a hundred plus million in the NFL because guess what? That money right there,

that's going to make my, my future be cool for my kids. But like right now, I still need bread, so I'm out here getting all the type of stuff going on private equity, uh, real estate,

you know what I'm saying, helping the youth, you know what I'm saying? like doing affordable houses like it's like I like that ground zero I like that bill from nothing you know start a hundred million dollar profit off some shit you know what I'm saying so that's the eager I got you sitting

you sitting here in front of the 36 year old DJ just like shit fuck the NFL like that shit was cool but what's next right I'm trying to go touch some some Magic Johnson type shit you know what I'm saying so what are like the fields that you plan on happening during retirement like for me bro like it really ain't retirement bro I'm saying

but it's not retirement but it's the next phase all right all right that's what we go retirement from one thing yeah that's what I'm saying

my parents retired they ain't doing shit they actually stop doing almost anything but this why I don't like the retirement word for me is because I can still play yeah I can still play at a high level bro

Like go cut on the film from last year and seeing With your bounce back in? Bro, I'm vicious like that. I thought that you said. I can literally take a year off, two years off and still go back to football at 38, 39 and go be a dog. No, I did. That's what I'm telling you.

So we ain't really caught in retirement because at the end of the day. I know I can still gas up on the field. You already don't know Jimry first, man. And I'm talking that and meaning it like, bro, body is straight. But what was that decision like? Because I feel like for a lot. Talk your shit. Adam from here, yeah.

For pro athletes, it's like such a. to intrinsic part of who they are as a fucking human being. And it's a very difficult thing to step away at a certain point. You feel like you kind of did it on your own terms, whereas most people are kind of forced into it? So catch my drift. That's a hell of a question, bro. I respect you for that question.

I'm totally sports illiterate, by the way. But I have a huge amount of respect for athletes. I'm always curious about it. I feel like that's a pivotal-ass point in guys' career where they're at. And a lot of these young dudes got to understand this, too, because I was once a rookie. I was once a second, third-year player that had the world of my hands.

You know, where possibly be talking about getting a big contract and all that other stuff. So now that I'm removed years after that, it's like I'm at the point now where I could tell these young dudes like, hey, listen, enjoy that shit why you can. Take advantage that shit why you can. Because once you hit your mid-30s or 32-30, 30,

it ain't the same. The politics kick in because you know why. Because they're like, oh, this is the NFL. They want this. It's a young man's game, bro. Yeah, they want you. You feel what I'm saying? It's the young man's game, bro.

So it's not that I couldn't play. It's that they had more invested in the young kids. Because my contract wasn't what it was when I was 24, 25, I'm not getting paid the same, bro. So I'm more disposable now to these people. You know what I'm saying? When you was younger, you got that big bag. You got to beat it. Yeah.

You know, for me, being the legend and doing what I did was always cool. But it was like I was cool in politics of me being older. and not being a vocal point like I was in my earlier 20s, bro. So for me, it's like instead of me sitting in a season and going to work like an 8 to 5 because this shit is real work and me spending all that time away from my kids and family and not making the money that I once made, it becomes not about the money.

It becomes the love of the game. The love of the game for me, I'm not stupid. I could be sitting at the house like this, chilling on my kids, playing with my kids throwing the ball and still making what they paying right there. Because it's not about the money. My money going to kick off $40.

Exactly. By wasting all this time and being right here. So it's like, for me, I'm like, bro, I love the game, but I don't love it that much because guess what? The financials ain't there like that no more, bro. And for me, I'm playing for my future for my kids, kids. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, if I could sit at home, just be honest. If you could sit at home and make what you making right here without doing this. Yeah, you could love it and you do it for a long time. But it's like, if I could do this at home and not really work as hard, why the fuck am I working? Like, it got to be something else more to it, bro.

And for me, like, that shit was cool and I loved it. But I love, I want to be with my kids. I haven't been away from my kids so long. They haven't been seeing daddy travel and go all this. Like, I'm spending all this time. And my kid's older now. So I feel like it's important for me to give them back with my dad. On year one, it's like pure excitement.

And it's, you're like a celebrity on the. this crazy-ass level and the money is fucking new. Exactly. And then once you've done it for 15 years, it's like going to work at the fucking grocery store is for a lot of people because it's just you're doing it over over. It gets repetitive every fucking day, bro. I'm sitting

there like, if I could just go play games on Sundays and I had to go do Monday through Saturday, I'll be there right now. I'll still be doing it right now, but it's just the repetitiveness. I've been doing it for so long. It's like, uh, like and too, like I don't want to like

be doing something where like I'm more mad than happy. Yeah. And what I'm saying that is because I knew how, like, valuable I was. I knew how good I was. And I knew the work I was putting in. And I wasn't really getting the, like, I wasn't really getting the ball because you know why? Man, I don't got no vocal point in making show D. Jack the 35-year-old gets the ball.

They want these young Lamar Jackson or whoever these 22, 23-year-olds is. It's just how the game go, bro. It's only a few Kobe's, LeBron. And I'm not trying to say I'm not that, but it's like, it's different. bro, when you LeBron, you're still able to get 30-7 million a year, you know what I'm saying? You still able to do it and have fun,

but, like, he's playing why? Because he wants to play with a son. He didn't, he doesn't. Yeah, I'm sure he's chasing legacy, and I'm sure he wanted to go get another ring. But at the end day, bro, he's still playing because he wants to play with the son. That's just be real.

But is there a part of you? I've seen a lot of, like, sports documentaries where a professional athlete will stop, and then it's like there's a hole in their fucking soul because they were so focused on winning and being the best athlete, they could be for all those years and all of a sudden there's just this massive hole in your life

that you kind of got to fill with something new, right? Yeah, you ain't got to going to the games and all these people rooting for you or they got your jerse on. So that whole, that's real, bro. But like, for me, I really feel like I fulfilled everything I wanted out of it. And when I say that, like, man, coming from where I'm coming from,

this shit wouldn't promise. Hommies not making it past 18, 15. Niggas ain't graduated from college. Niggas ain't graduated from high school. So for me, like, where I made it to, bro, like, I never would have thought. And I ain't going to say, like, I ain't dream about it or, you know, like, think it was going to happen one day. But, like, come up for, like, I'll beat the odds, bro. Like, I'm 37 years, about to be 37 in December 1st, and I'm sitting in front of y'all.

I'm sure, bro, could vouch for this. He beat the odds. Like, man, this shit ain't promised. But, bro, just, like, me being, bro, I was 13 years old when I first got shot at, bro. Like, in the ingu. At the forum. I know you remember the carnivals. at the former right when you're about to get out of school.

I'm going to the former and I get shot at 13 years old. You feel what I'm saying? So it's just like, bro, like you don't count. Like, we're here for a reason. You feel what I'm saying? Like, we're blessed for a reason, bro. So it's just like, I fulfilled everything, bro. And it's like literally, I got shot.

I walked through. You feel me? Come on. So it's like, for me, it's like I fulfilled it, bro. So it's like I can really sit here and be like, I'll accomplish what I wanted to accomplish all of it, bro. So you told me Jerry Rice gave you a tip, man. Before I hit the lead.

You know what I mean? He said that you had to talk with Jerry Rice and he let you know something that man kept them legs a little bit, ticking a little bit longer, man. What was that? Man, see, so this was, I was, it was 2008 before I got drafted. The agency I signed with at the time, they had Jerry Rice signed to him, bro. So it was like a perk I got off of me signed on my agency. that they had a relationship with Jerry Rice.

So I had the opportunity to work out with Jerry Rice before I got to the lead. And that workout, like, again, once of everything I'm going to tell you, bro, the source can tell you. I ain't going to tell you nothing from my motherfuck of mouth that that source can't tell you itself. Jerry Rice was like running every route. And you what is Jerry Rice? I grew up loving Jerry Rice. Randy Morris and Jerry Rice? Yeah.

My top-down favorites, right? So I run every route. So I get up there, I run every route. I'm cast up. Niggis Jerry Rice watching me. knick, ah, ah, snagging everything, bawling, right? I ran this last route.

And he was like, come here. And I'm like, what's up? He's like, I only got one thing to tell you. And when I tell you, I ran every route. The route tree probably about 12, 13 routes. I run every route. He's like, I want to correct you on one route. He was like, that five yard out you're running,

he was like, you're running too fast. He said, how fast you is? If you learn how to control your speed and run these routes, he said, the NFL ain't gonna be able to fuck with you. I said, oh, what? You told me one out of all these roads. You're just gonna correct me on one row.

Once he told me that was over, you couldn't tell me nothing else. The best, one of the best, one of the best, the best receiver to play the game told me all I had to do was change up one route and give me a philosophy. It was over after that, bro. Can't tell me nothing else.

Damn. This is kind of random, but tell us about your relationship with X-4. X-4, my little bro. Man, so X-Fo, X-Fo, you know I do the music I've been doing music for a long time Jack Power Records man

Okay so that's how you met him Yeah I got a record label Jack Power Records and And I just by the way There ain't nothing random You can ask me whatever fuck you want bro I just feel like it's kind of out of order Because we're still kind of like

It's not Bro, we're popping up We're chopping up, we chopping However you want to do whatever Bro, I'm good about it But um So X4 bro I had a relationship You know with my big bro

Peewee Little Peewee man Shout out Peewee Yeah shout out my big bro Pee-wee, um... Pewee, uh, yeah, Pee-wee called me. And when I tell you, Pee-wee, bro,

me and Big Brother relationship is one of a con. But Big Bro, call me one morning, man, and this is one of many mornings because he called me every day, we all day, our relationship is like that. He hit me up like, hey, hey, little bro. I got a rapper ex-fo.

He's from the hood. Like, bro, like, I want you to meet him. Like, bro, you need to fuck with him. You need a son. I'm like, damn, because of calling me on me. Like, I'm like, all right, Brian. You met him.

I don't know. nothing about him. I'm like, what's up? Like, you know, set up so we can meet him. So he set up a meeting, and we go to my studio. And when we go to the studio, my big bro, Peewee got a relationship with 600. Shout out my boy, 600.

Shout out 600. Yeah, so he called 600. And he's like, we're going to pull up to the studio. We're going to all meet. He was like, he called him back and was like, 600. Told Peewee that he was going to bring whack. He was like, yeah, I'm going to bring whack up there. We're going to all holler, like, you know, try to figure out the situation.

This is before I got any business done with Exfo. You feel what I'm saying? We just about to go meet. So we go to the studio when we pull up, I meet Exfo. Which crazy is I remembered him from when he was younger before he had all the tattoos and before he went to jail because the homies was telling me like he was talented, he hard. Like he, the little homie out the hood is going viral going crazy. So I'm like, it was crazy when I seen him like, damn, so this you, right?

So we meet him. And then everything cool. like little bro vibe was cool as a motherfucker remind you this when when peewee called me talking about ex-fo I didn't have so many artists bro I didn't been doing this music for 10 years I was really like over the music shit bro

I'm like bro you know what like I'm cool bro like I ain't signed no artist like bro I didn't did all that like I'm really kind of phasing away from that and focusing on other things right so when I told him that you know pee no bro you need to sign it bro I'm telling you bro you need to sign up so I'm like all right pull up so we pull up

and man we just vibe bro and whack come and whack tell them, you know, give him some real life, you know, game and just tell him like, this is what you got to do, like, you know, this is what happened with blue face and this where I feel like, you know, certain situations were wrong. Like, you know, really just trying to coach him up and give him game. So I'm saying that to say, like, that was like really the first introduction of me meeting, bro. We was at the studio. He played music and I'm like, I'm like, little dude special, man.

Like the young, the young homie got some hard-ass shit. He got some hard-ass shit, bro. Okay, but you never signed him because that was the rumor for a little bit there. I never signed them. You know, we did some business. You know, I came in as a big homie, big bro. Okay. You know, and, you know, whatever that was, that was that.

But, no, I never signed them. No confusion. Wack, never signed them. Like, we never said we was going to sign to whack. Like, at the time, I'm like a big hummy, like a mentor. You know what I'm saying? I've done a lot of business, and I know how this game goes as far as contracts and lawyers. And, you know, when you sign deals and shit like that.

So, really, I just gave bro game. And just was like, you know, if you need me, I'm here for you, helped him out in a few little situations. You know, he was down on his feet, certain shit he was getting into his baby mama, didn't really have, you know, I ain't going to really get too much. But I really looked out as a big homie, you know,

and really seeing a young kid that had talent and wanted to see him win, bro. Gave you, bro, they just go to the studio and think for a second. Yeah, man, really, really. That's all these street kids really need his room to think. Like, if they get enough money to where everything is paid, they could go sit in the studio, they won't be crashing out

and getting to it and all that type of shit because not having all the resources and everything you need is you to trying to get it out the streets. And it's real too. That's where all the problems are. It's real too because, you know, game banging and, you know,

participating in certain activities, like that could, like, overweigh, like a real situation for somebody to be able to go get signed. You know what I'm saying? So I'm saying that to say, like, what bro talking about, like really giving them a space to kind of like lead at.

Because we all know that the earlier that X-Fort gets out the way and really is able to 100% focus on music, the better the chance will be that he'll really be able to capitalize on his potential right now. Oh, for sure, man. He's talented. And one thing I can say about X-Fo, he very smart. Like, you know, the image and the tattoos or all this. Like, he's really smart.

And he really on his FCs. And I'll say as FCs, you know, it's the ABCs. That's what we call him. But he on his FCs, man. He's very strategic. He very smart. And he got the world in his hands. And I think he understand that.

And I think if I can be honest, I think he's going to do the right thing with it. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't ran into a lot of young dudes before they got the real shot, the real blow. And his focus and how sharp and mature he is, I think, you know, he's going to do the right thing with it. I was looking at his channel the other day. And like a lot of the videos that had like 30K when we interviewed him and shit are at like 200k now. So like those 200Ks are going to turn into a million. That's not even saying nothing about whatever music he might put out.

It's like he's going up at a very rapid pace. It's actually pretty crazy. His style is unique. Because I recovered. His style is unique as fuck, bro. Like his style is unique. You know what I'm saying? And what I can't say about him too, like when I did meet him and I sat back because I'll analyze

and I, like, I strategically view everything I do. Anything I'm going to attach myself to her, be a part of. I'm going to always analyze it. And I'm, like, really get a great feel on it before I do it. Because I'm big on vibes and energy, you know what I'm saying? But when I first met him and I broke down a package of his whole body of work, I'm like, he a hustler. He a grinder. Like, when he came to me, he had, I ain't really had to do shit.

Like, he already had views. He had videos. Like, and then when we did our little business, I'm just sitting back really, like, seeing what he going to do? bro still he's shooting his own videos he ain't asking for help like he was getting his body of work and it's just like he presented that shit to his fans bro so it's like that shit that shit was dope as fuck going out when I met him and I seen how he had this shit together hmm yeah so where is most of your energy going these days and and how hard do you feel the need to hustle given that

I'm assuming that you could just kind of kick your feet up and so at this point like hustling and trying to make businesses and trying to make different plays and stuff has got to feel like kind of optional. You don't need to do that shit, but you seem extremely motivated. Man, for me, bro, I think in my life where I'm at right now, bro, I'm all about elevating.

You know what I'm saying? If I encounter with you or I'll cross path with you, bro, and, you know, we genuinely meet because, like, I ain't out here trying to build or, like, meet new people, but, like, you know,

I got my circle, you know what I'm saying, and I stay tight, and anything outside of that is just a conversation, bro. If I could build and I see you on the type of time I'm on the energy and your way,

links hit, you know, to my level where I'm at in life, then we can build on that. But if it ain't that, I don't fuck with it, bro. Like, my life is based off of happiness, you know, and living how I want. Because I felt like I had to live a certain way so long by being under the shield of the NFL and what I can and cannot do. And I got to watch what I say or watch how I post. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've went through all that shit, bro.

I've got forced to accuse for doing certain shit and being released. by a team to offer some bullshit you know what I'm saying back in 2013 you know and that shit just really opened my eyes and was like damn what did you get falsely accused of I didn't know about this man it was an article that popped up bro and when I got released it was 2013 the article was from 2009 for one yeah it was a bullshit-ass article that the media pulled up it was like LA Times or like one of these local medias had wrote some shit my rookie year um one of my best friends was charged with murder and he beat the murder and like when i tell you it's my best friend it's like my brother you know i helped i helped them out bro because i knew that that wasn't what he was on

you know what i'm saying so for me like if your brother or your brother go down for some and i'm fortunate enough to be able to help get you lawyers or get you you you know representation like why wouldn't i do that you know i'm saying so that's what happened and my brother beat the case and when he beat the case and i was right there to pick his ass up and we took pictures of him in his county blues. Yeah. And we posted it. Yeah, because he was not guilty.

Yeah, what's the problem here? Yeah, they were trying to act like you were endorsing murder. Exactly. What the fuck? That's such a stretch. So, like I say, they pulled up this article and made it seem like whatever the fuck it was and they released me because I was tied to gangbanging or whatever, however they made it out.

But like, it just was bullshit, bro, because like what I did learn about that situation is what to broadcast and what not to put on social media. You know, as a young kid. kid, man, everybody can't understand how you was raised, bro. Like, when I'm this young kid that's playing for this shield and you got these owners investing all these millions of dollars into you, it's certain things they want you to do and don't want you to do. And that's just a realistic of the situation.

And the shield to the hip-hop. The shield to the hip-hop world. No, John Moran a little too. He was doing shit. He wasn't supposed to be going. No. He went viral for his words for John Moran. Yeah.

I asked the words for John Moran. But see, they're not the words. I can't say that for him. really from over here. So what was you about to ask me? The Shield or what? What does the Shield mean to the hip-hop community? Because I'm sure it's a lot of kids that don't watch sports too.

Right. So when I speak on the Shield, so the Shield is the brand. The NFL is based up a whole bunch of corporations by these owners. Right. So they're non-profitly or throwing all this money around. And it's like they got deals with all types of companies, can, Amazon, all these big ass companies

that are investing into the NFL. If you're going to be here, you need to understand it's bigger than you and everything that you do reflects on us and our advertisers. Yes, because these companies,

they drill that into you. Because these companies, young fellas, catch the game while we're giving it to these companies that are investing hundreds of million dollars into the NFL have an image and a likeness when they invest in this money to these owners that they want these kids,

or not kids, but they want these. these individuals to do or not do, right? So if I'm out here portraying I'm smoking, or I'm drinking, or I'm gang banging, are we doing things that are not to that standard or nature, whatever you want to call it? You're in a bind, bro.

But for me, all it was was me was hanging out with guys that I grew up with, not turn my back on, not me making it and signed to the dollar line and making millions of dollars, and I just turned my back to the homies that I grew up with in Lamarra Park. But if you had taken a picture with you and some guys

and you all had blue rags, it would have been over. that day in the sports media, right? I ain't going to lie, they just seen that too. I didn't, you know, and I don't know how much of it was out there, but you're right to the perception that you pain near. Like, if you see a whole lot of dudes

with blue rags, that's game banger. You represent the culture. The sports media seems so thirsty for content that anything that's even slightly offensive, they are fucking on it. But the LAPD, one of the LAPD crash unit officers came out and made a statement,

that said that Deshaun Jackson from that area said that Deshaun Jackson is not a gang member. What did he say? It was... I can't remember. I basically... I ain't never been in trouble. Like, they ain't got me on no report.

So, like, I'm from... I didn't have been pulled over and been stopped. You know what I'm saying? By certain crash... Yeah, they know I'm from the area and I grew up over here. So, like, yeah, I didn't been putting handcuffs and pulled up on a block crash coming

and just detaining everybody. Like that's the happen But at the end of day I grew up here This where I'm hanging out You know what I'm saying So it's just like almost Forston

I wouldn't even say falsely accusing you But it's just like Why I said falsely It's because yeah I'm from where I grew up Where I'm at right But at the end of day

Forstly accusing me As saying I'm participating in Doing gang banging activities And I never did Why I sell the label You feel what I'm saying Like I'm not going to shoot at people

I ain't robbing people I ain't like promoting gang. All I'm saying is this is where I grew up at and this is my homies. This is my brothers. I ain't promoting shit. If one of my boys is doing some shit,

I'm not promoting that. If he go shoot or he go do it, I don't promote none of that shit, bro. I'm for the kids, bro. I play football. You can't tie me to something that I have, I don't know nothing about. I play sports.

Yeah. Like, that's my walk of fame. I play sports. Just because I grew up in the footage where I'm, Lamurra Park, whatever. That don't have nothing. I didn't participate in none of that shit, bro.

So don't come ask me. me about nothing and don't accuse me like I'm participating in that shit bro that was my point for sure you got dropped by the team in 2013 how long did it take before somebody else fucked with you I got signed in the next two months and I had a three year 30 million dollar contract when I

got released I went to go get a three four 26 year contract so you know I was making 10 a year I started to get 80 year so it kind of affected my bread a little bit you know what I still you know I lost like six million out on that but I picked it up somewhere else down the road, you know what I'm saying?

But on that point, right then and there, yeah, it was on some bullshit, bro. Did you think, like, my fucking career is over at a certain point? Honestly, bro, I ain't going to lie, bro. Like, I didn't know what the fuck was going to happen when that shit happened, bro, because I came off of one of my best seasons ever, statistically. Had, like, 83 catches, 13 hundred yards, made, Pro Bowl. I'm like, what the fuck? You released me?

Like, okay, I can understand if you didn't want me or, like, trade me somewhere, but you release one of your best players on your team. Yeah, that's crazy I'm like, what the fuck? I ain't know not, oh, bro. I'm trying to figure out. Throwing the fuck off, bro. I'm so far gone and I just was like,

that's when shit's just starting clicking in. All right, boom, you got to stop doing this. Boom, you got to start showing all this. Like, it was just. You feel? He hit the owner daughter. Okay. How crazy did you get with spending money at a certain point

when all of a sudden you're making like $10 million a year? I imagine for a young dude, that didn't really have much that it's got to be a lot. I was running through that shit, bro, I ain't gonna like to you, bro.

Like, my first, like six, seven years, bro, I ain't say shit. Really? I'm gonna just be real with you, bro.

I was, I was living, I was taking care of the family. I was taking care of the homies, cars, clothes, trips, clubs.

Right. I was having it. Yeah. And that's how I was living, bro. So it didn't click on until I was like 27, 28, bro. It clicked on.

Like, ooh, I had a kid. my first born I'm like oh that's what I really think changed my life bro my first kid bro in 2015 having my first son that's when I was I really tined up bro and I'm glad see a lot a lot of motherfuckers really didn't catch it before it's too late like I caught my I caught my my fuck up some of my problems before I got to that I was I was still making eight to 10 a year and then when I was really like all right all right instead of blowing this whole five seven million could put half up and then fuck them off the head of the rest like that's what shit

started really clicking in right did you uh what was the main shit you were wasting money on. Man, for real, like car. Probably like cars. Partying. Jury. Trips. Traveling.

All the shit. Hotels. The shit, the shit, smoking. Party and, like, were you going to clubs? $30,000. Really?

In a night. Yeah. As I said, all the ball and shit. Yeah. You ain't never did that one? Nah. You ain't got your big one off yet?

Nah. 30 K and a night? Nah. He ain't fucking around. Not me. That's why he keep it is like that. I think whatever the seizure, 80, was kind of pushing it. But probably like, the most I didn't probably spend in the club one night.

It's probably like, like, 23, under 30. Is it worth it because you get so many bitches from this? That shit was stupid. And the hummies be irritating you to. No disrespect to the women, but I don't give a fuck, bro. If I got to go blow a bag for you to feel like I'm cool in the party with me, I don't want you. Gee shit, I'm cool, bro. So for me, fuck, no, that shit wasn't working for.

I was having fun. and it was the cool thing to do because you in the club everybody else doing this so shit I'm gonna do it too oh they just spend 10 let me go spend 20 real quick because I had it

I'm popping it you tell me if I'm wrong but I feel like that's especially a thing with athletes because it's like you're super rich you're very very famous

to a certain percentage of people but to the other percentage of people they don't really know who fuck you are so it's like you it's not like being a rapper where it's like if you're French Montana

and you blow up everybody fucking instantly recognizes you everywhere you go all your greatest moments are done with a big fucking helmet on your head. It's kind of like a weird dynamic. Tell me, is that accurate? Hell yeah, because I don't know.

For some reason, a lot of people know me, though. That's because you always popped out. During, what's this COVID shit when you had to wear all these magic shit, bro, I would literally be like, hat on, Sabini on, the ski mask on, mask on, and niggas still being able to tell his me, bro. I've heard that from a lot of famous people. That shit crazy, bro.

Like, I'll be like, how the fuck? This nigga know that it was me, bro. But it's like, for me, bro, I don't know. I think my face is like, and I didn't did it. I had my own show on BET. You know, I go to the BET Awards. Like, I feel like I'm more a part of that, like, rap and culture. It's like my lifestyle, how I grew up is like, it's really like a rapper, bro.

Like, I ain't, like, yeah, I grew up playing sports and playing ball, but like, I don't know, bro. I gravitate to, like, more street shit, bro. Like, I really come from the streets. And I'm not saying that to, like, you know, make myself, like, no tough. But at the end of day, bro, I grew up on principles. I was raised by, like, real reptibles. You know what I'm saying? I got real relationships with real OG homies.

Like, I was really raised, right, bro. You feel what I'm saying? I credit my OGs and my big homies around me, bro, because a lot of these dudes now, bro, they're making money. They're getting famous and they come into L.A. and paying fees to go throw up hoods and bang now. It's like, bro, like, that's, and he could tell that's not, that ain't cool, bro. Like that perception of, like.

These who they're paying the fee to, right? No, that's right? Oh, Serski. I laugh. I'm just trying to contribute to the brick lore. There's a legend about them building. No, you're right, but like when people... You're right.

No, what I'm saying you right to is, like, when people come to L.A. and they do connect with certain individuals, bro. It's like you tapped in with certain individuals, bro. You're doing what you're supposed to do. Like, if I'm going somewhere, I'm going to tap in with real reptibles, too, because I'm not from Chicago. I'm not from Houston. Like, if I go to Houston,

I'm tapping in with Jay Prince. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I go to certain areas, Atlanta or something. I'm just tapping what I know who respectable are out there, bro.

And I just would rather know that if I'm around in a certain situation or something go down, I could tap me into some real people to know what the fuck going on. That don't mean you paying the motherfucker or you doing something.

I'm just locked in and I'm building. I got relationships where I know niggas going to look out for me. be a real situation. Everybody say it's some money going on. Like, bro, I just, if I know you, I really care for you, I'm going to just tell you like,

hey, even if you don't put up over me, if you don't got it all, you just like stay out of here. It'll be over here and just do your thing. I wish a lot of these athletes of highly and more to certain individuals that like really be knowing people out here, bro. Because I got a lot of relationships like, you know, the little hummy that got robbed from, I don't know if you heard the Rams player he was going into a hotel and they rode him took his chain off him

that's great having like a few months ago and like I played with him last year when I was in Baltimore but like little situations like that just tap in with certain things that you know is out here that you know and I can't say

just because you do tap in to certain individual shit ain't going to have him but it's like still like he just said like don't go here or if you go here make some sort somebody with you that got armed security license

you know what I'm saying like you just got to be strategic nine times out of of 10 the flashy shit out here is not where you want to be at you i mean go find you somewhere ducked off low key and kick it right there they got a lot of boutique hotels that people need to check it to and they're in la if they're not in the air bambi you know that's like not on the main line and all that he said um yeah well yeah we've we've learned that lesson over time for sure be careful how you come to l-a

Exactly. Did you see that one video where the dude was walking in? He had his coffee and the dude hopped over his fence. Yeah. He was like an owner or some club or some shit, right? They said they took his gun permit away because of it. Yeah? That's crazy.

Which is kind of crazy because he's like. Why do he got a gun permit first thing that he owned his property. Yeah, he's in his house. The dudes had guns out. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Nobody really understands. I should read into it to figure out why.

That's crazy. That's sick, bro. I see that you've been dropping music. music though, man. Like, I see that you always, you, you, let's talk about this. Let's talk about how much money you didn't do that, like this. Let's go get a little bit of it.

Come on, man. You're going to get the links and all that. Listen, you've been in the music industry for a minute. People really don't know that, right? You know what I'm saying? But, like, what made you start betting on yourself or you want to speak on your journey? Yeah, yeah.

So, uh, appreciate you even allowing that, though, you know, and even bringing that up, because I feel like, you know, I don't cross path with a lot of, you know, talented people that I still want to shed light on regardless of we still in the contract or, you know, we're not really working together. We're working together, you know what I'm saying?

Because if I invested in you, regardless of anything, bro, I want to see you win. I got love for every person that I ever put any money into, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, the original jackpot, man, rest in peace. My brother, kid, Callie. You know, he lost his life, you know, a few years ago at a party, man, on some crazy shit. But kid, Caddy recipes, kid Caddy, my brother Tyron, you know, he in jail right now fighting the case.

You know, hopefully they free my bro when he come on to his family. He got kids. Shit, Rudy Ray. Shout out Rudy Ray. Shout out Marcus Benz. Shout out Aunt Mack, Rudy Hing. Man, shit, young Chris, Glass of Malone. Like, I didn't help so many people, bro.

you know to recently Thirsty P My brother Thirsty P Shout out Thirsty P Shout out Thirsty P You know thirsty My little Brody Billy Boy Brody

Yeah Billy Boy You know Billy Boy Brody Shout out Billy Boy Man he gonna do his thing Armani J Shit bro I don't even want to leave everybody out Bro

Because I know this interview going to drive They go like oh bro You let me out of this motherfuckuck of podcast You know You feel what I'm saying? Got my little girl, Jit and Kwan. Shit, man, you know, we're going to keep ex-fo. You know, so for me, bro, I didn't invest in a lot into music, first and foremost.

Have I made money off of music? No, I ain't made money back yet. You know, but I'm saying, but for business, bro, you know, sometimes things don't happen that way. But I feel like this music shit going to come back some type of way, bro. You feel what I'm saying? When I said a lot of money, I don't put millions into that music shit. Jack Parre, I don't put millions into it, bro. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't really, you know, at the point, I can't say I ain't made nothing back, but I ain't made nowhere near what I'm put into it. Because, you know, I'll have made a few, you know, a few issues here and there. But it's a weird business because if you sign one person and it becomes a superstar, you make up all that, right? True, but it's, I wouldn't say it's a weird business,

but for an athlete, music could be tricky. And the reason why I say that is because he could speak on that. I feel like music industry people don't take athletes. You know why because they feel like they portraying they trying to be a rapper or they got money and they just want to throw money around you know I'm saying so You really at a default. It's only certain few athletes like Dane Shaq certain few athletes this really Mons Shumpridge that it's really respected in the music industry so for me that is a good point I kind of had to realize that like a lot of my related like I got real-time relationships with with with um birdman slam

Q, QC, you know, P over there. Like, I got a lot of relationships and they respect me because, for one, I grew up, was raised how I am streets, you know what I'm saying? And for two, they love who I was on the field. Because, like, if you really ask people like, who was Deshaun Jackson? You would say, like, Michael Vick, Alan Ierson, like, that's that area I fall into because, you know, I come from the streets, tattoos. I'm a little, little dude, you know what I'm saying?

So it's like, when I pop in, you're going to always get respect from certain individuals because they know, like, oh, he connected in him with LA. You're real, you know what I'm saying? Just because the little nigga fuck with, bro. Yeah, for sure. About the rip. Can you imagine how crazy it would be if you had, like, a star NBA player or some shit who also was, like, a star rapper at the same time?

Except that every rapper, every rapper talks about shit that you wouldn't be allowed to say. Yeah, that's why it's really hard. And, like, if you analyze Dame Dollar, his music, he only, he didn't really talk. He just, see, like, with me, I can talk shit and rap because I, live that life. Yeah. Like, I'm not perpetrating or, like, portraying a life that I ain't lived. Like, I'm going to talk about the women, the money, the cars, the houses, the clothes,

like the trips. Like, I'm talking about shit. I'm living. I ain't portraying shit. You could make a song like 310 Baby just made. True, true. But you couldn't be a little dirt. Yeah, you couldn't be a little dirt.

But not, not, not you. Not you. But I'm saying, though, one of those people. No, but I'm just saying, they can hop in the lane of females only like, party little music real quick. You know what I'm saying? They can do that. Because a lot of star rappers will go months and months and months without doing shit,

but it's kind of rare. Like if you're on the come up, you're on the move, you're touring, you're doing whatever. Like, it would be like, it would be so insane to be able to balance the two. Imagine telling your team that you're going to go before and go do this. You can't do that. You're making too much for one. Game dash, you're making too much money playing NBA. Exactly.

It's never. Anytime you put into your music career would be a fucking waste in comparison. If you're doing it to have fun and you're enjoying it, that's really short. But for me, like I say, I enjoy it. I have fun. It's a passion.

You know what I'm saying? And I feel like I'm hard at that shit. And I got my own little swag. They'd be saying it's like a little, like it's a nip. Like, you know, it's a West Nip or some shit like that. But like, I feel like if I was compared to anybody, it would be like an easy e sound. Like that's how my, I got like a high pitch, like easy e voice on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Would you be able to let, your kid play football on a professional level in good conscience knowing that the risk of head injury is pretty high so good question man honestly man like i like my kids really just now getting into football but i'm letting play flag right now he ain't playing tackle he played tackle last year up at crinshaw but i didn't have him full time because i was still playing you know sports or like he didn't get to play the whole season he only played a little bit so now that i got him full time i'm letting him play flag but it's like

I'm gonna wait like two years before I even let them play tackle because it's like it ain't no rush anymore like how the sports is nowadays bro, they ain't like how it was when we was younger but like you say you got all these CTE, head skins, concussions all like that shit is out bro and I don't even really want my son to play football I want them on basketball or baseball

you see them contracts they're giving them dudes fully guaranteed like NFL money ain't fully guaranteed some are some have been able to do it but it ain't really fully guaranteed soccer and something yeah yeah be going to play over season, and I'll take no hits. Hell long, bro. But if he want to do it, I'm going to let him do it.

Like, you know, he's been gravitating to it. So for me, I'm just training him and get him what he needs. Like, I told him, like, if you want to do this shit, I'm going to be on your ass. Like, don't feel like you got to do it to me. Like, oh, I'm proving them. Like, no, I don't want you. I'd rather you go over here and go do something else. But if you want to do this shit, I'm going to be on your ass because I know my dad

was on my ass and where I'm where I'm at. I mean, like, he's so exposed to football. It's like all these football grates that you're friends with and shit. those are like, you know, heroes. He sees the way that they're treated like fucking heroes by random people. It's got to be tough to not have your kid come out thinking that that's one of the best things that you could do with your life, you know? I've been hearing him lately, too.

He's been really popping it too. Like, yeah, I'm going to the NFL because, you know, I'll be feeding him shit. I'll be throwing shit to him like, you ain't going to be like me. You're going to be better than me. So now I'm just hearing falling in his own. He's like, yeah, I'm going to be better than my dad. Right now. Like I hear him talk to his little homie like, he's like, yeah, right dad.

I'm like, shit, that's the plan. You better be better to me. Yeah, yeah. The fuck. You're my junior. Yeah, for sure. But if I was you, my response would just be like, well, I didn't, I wasn't born like this. I worked my fucking ass off.

And you're not allowed to claim shit until you put the same amount of working. I want to like that too, though. Have we seen a six. Not, not, hold on, not, don't forget what you're going to say. But not to, like, shy away from that. But like, I do get him what he want. He do got a good lifestyle. But I do be on him like, like, nigger, this shit didn't.

come easy because they'd be like my dad a million my dad got money like no dick they gotta work for this money money don't grow in trees they gotta work for it yeah I was saying have we ever seen a junior has Gary Payton Jr or there's been a few in football you say no no no I'm just saying this

in junior yeah yeah general have we seen what's the best junior uh uh dual we've seen so far question for uh king and Martin's son he's not a New Year, but... It's kind of like that and rap, too.

Rap, not. I ain't really seen it in rap, but, like, it's definitely been in sports, bro. I got a few... King I Martin's son going crazy. Kobe, dad playing the league. Kobe Bryant playing the league. I don't know if you're saying a star,

star, though, but he played... No, no, he played in the league. No, I'm talking about, yep. It's just like... That's a perfect example. Even if you do everything to make your kid as good at a sport as possible, genetics is still like a huge

fucking lottery. Even if you have amazing genetics, it doesn't mean your kid is gunning. And injuries are another fucking big ass lottery that if you fucking tear your ACL in year one, then you have a short-ass career. Genetics is crazy as fuck though, bro,

because it's like, I don't know, bro, I be looking at my son. I'd be bugged the fuck out, bro, because I see myself, bro. It's crazy, bro. Like, that split image? Like, were you really to remember yourself? Like, yo, younger day,

you're seeing a picture. What? What? Weird shit? Like, I'm like, like, genetics and genes and blood.

Like, bro, like, that shit is the realest shit ever, bro. It's like a clone, bro. Because I ain't, I ain't really toast that nigga too much,

bro. I'm just like, go out there and have fun, bro, and I'm looking at them. Running just like me and he fast and shit. I'm like,

that shit crazy. I was just getting life insurance and like half the shit they're asking you is just about like how, like, has your dad had heart issues? Has your dad had cancer?

You know, all this shit. Because like, the way your dad died, or dies is probably how you're going to die statistically, which is kind of freaky that your life is like this fucking imitation of his life almost that's playing out, or at least the way they talk to you,

it starts to make you feel like that. Like, oh, so you think I'm going out the way ego went out no matter what. Okay. That shit crazy. I still got my pops. Long live Phil, but. You said you still got your pop? Yeah, Phil.

But the motherfucker's kind of deaf at this point. And myself, sometimes I notice myself having a little bit of, hearing issues so I'm like oh okay do I got that to looking forward to that makes me turn the speaker down in the car a little bit yeah a little bit like next time I'm not rolling loud

standing next to a big speaker I might take a few steps away so uh anything in particular that you want to push or promote or let people know to keep an eye out for shit man everything is connected to me bro for real for real man um just just staying to them my Instagram 101

tag that got DeShonjaxon.com website, the Pancredic Foundation and DeShon Jackson Foundation of pancreatic cancer we steady doing shit, bro,

I got a documentary that's coming out at Amazon we just close the deal with Amazon it's going to be dropping next, like next fall. You know,

and just working with the kids, obviously. I love working with the kids want to always let them know that, you know, they're the future. I feel like I'm big on that, man,

and reaching out to these kids and just letting them know the importance of hard work. You know what I'm saying? And giving them examples of that shit, not really just telling them but like really showing them because I'm gonna get out there.

I'm gonna work out with you. I'm gonna show you how to get it done. And you know, for me, I feel like, you gotta reach back, man. Each one's each one, bro, that's the mentality you gotta have.

You feel what I'm saying? It's a lot of nonsense. It's a lot of negativity going out in the world, bro, and I just, you know, I just push, you know, positivity, bro. You feel what I'm saying?

I'm big on that. For sure. Is that why you didn't sign X-4 because you felt like him being so street-oriented that it would have been weird with your history and everything as an athlete? I think honestly,

if I wanted to sign, bro, I could have signed him. I honestly really feel like I just would have had to come right. You know what I'm saying? And it would have been done. But for me, just where I'm at in my life,

and when I told him, what I told him, he respected it, you know what I'm saying? I just like that image, I can't really, you know, get behind the image. I'm on a clean-cut image. And, you know, I'm trying to get that Hall of Fame jacket. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to put that jacket on my back

because I know the hard work I put in. You know what I'm saying? And it go to a lot of people, bro. It ain't even just, you know, X-4, but just anybody that I'm cool with or got relationships with that still lives a lifestyle or it's still from the hood. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I just got to move right, bro, and it's strategic. And it don't have to be that we can't be cool. You know, you can't highlight me when you want to highlight me, but it's just like, well, I just got to be on a different, on a different path. You want to do a Krip Mac skit? Would I? I did a song with Krip Mac.

Oh, shit. I did a skit with Kmart before, too. And we posted it, but yeah, yeah, C-Mack to me. Like, it was crazy as, like, playing in the league. Like, they were like, you know, C-Mack on Fifee, Cribb. Yeah, you know what I said. I love everybody. I love it.

I see random ass people all the time. See, he's not looked at it as like a, even though he's not looked at it. He faked. He faked a me. he gets a pass. Like he always... Who, C. Matt? Yeah.

Like, he's a gang member. He gets a pass everywhere. What you mean he's not a real game member, though? No, I said, even though he's a real gang member. We're going to troll you. He's got to sell out. He's going to pop out. On 50s, dude, the 50 fans street.

I said he's a real gang back. No, I don't say that. Hey, you know, you know, CMA, that's the honey, bro. Yeah, a lot of people be asking about, bro, and they'd be like, I used to call people when I was in the league. I used to call people like, hey, C, Mac, talk your shit. You know, he talked. He's talking shit, Custer, what you can.

The homies, you'd have, like, my teenager should have to be laughing and shit. So, you know, C-Mac doing this thing. Shout out C-Mack. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, no skis, though. We don't play with the skis, Adam. I leave the skits for you, man. I see what you asked as a Zoh-O-O-Somber the other day, Kills.

I was on a skit. No, I know. But I'm talking about to leave, honey. Y'all was a good look for yourself. A lot of shit be good looks for people. It really just depends on how you react to the stuff. situation. You can ask me

whatever you want, but it determines how I'm gonna respond or how I'm gonna react to what you ask me. You feel what I'm saying? Because I can ask you something right now

that might make you uncundable, but guess what? It's how you're gonna be how you're gonna react to it. It's all a sword fight. Pause. No, I don't know.

I don't know about no fucking short fight. There you go. There you go. There you go. We're talking about strategic like fencing. No,

you got to be strategic, bro. You're not going to, You're not going to speak without being strategic. True. You're going to be fencing after the show's over with. Fence with you. Hey.

Yeah. Oh, y'all are going to care of playing, see. I'm talking about after his show with Lennon. Hey, don't let me feel a little different way about the hungry. I'm talking about his show with Lennon. He's going to be fencing with whatever dude with. He's going to be. Whatever did that.

I already did that. She was hard. That was a movie. It was hard. Oh, yeah. Whoa. You already did that. You know about that.

You like going viral, huh? You feel like you like going viral? I feel like I've kind of figured it out. Yeah. What part? What part you feel like you figured out? You got to put on a good show for the people. Damn.

Yeah, but as you're doing it for the people? Are you doing it for yourself? Well, I'm doing it to entertain the people and to enrich myself. But you know where you're twisting yourself at? Well, it's a fine line. Yeah. So it's either you're going to do it for yourself

or you're going to do it for the people. but ain't no in between. You got to dance in the water and not get wet. No, dance with the stars. You got a plane right now. You're talking about dancing to the water. Dance with the devil and don't get burned. Look, I'm going to get up.

Hey, look, you said dance with the devil, but don't get burned? How? How? You get to get wet? Just keep your distance. You ain't that sick. Keep your feet up. No, you ain't walking on water, motherfucker.

We can try. No, for sure, man. All right. This has been a good one. Shout out of Brick. Shout out of Deshawn Jackson. come through blessing us everybody tap in with him on social media so you can keep up to date with what he's got going on what he's smoking what he's up to with the kids yeah hold on too yeah i got

that cash cow you know i got to deal with backpack boys we got the cash cow we got the blue cattle we got the action jackson man more coming on the cannabis man listen you all to know too you know cannabis is legal in california and i'm a legal licensed cannabis owner so uh you know i got my own cultivation i got my own grows you know it's some good money in that shit you So you're pushing the cow wave. Yeah, I push the cannabis wave, bro, the legal way. You know what I'm saying? I got real licenses and business.

So for those of y'all to follow me, I post content of my grows and my harvests. You know what I'm saying? I take pride in that shit. I wasn't able to while I was in the league, even though I was investing and I was an owner. While I played in the league, I couldn't really be public with us. So now that, you know, I can be public. You know, I got my own brand. I'm tap in.

Tap in with me. You know, we're smoking gas. We smoking fire. He ain't going to be the brand. He ran from the action jazz and my boy brick. I just took what to the phys. I wanted to give you a coherent interview. I got to stick to the splits.

It splints you a split boy, split boy, my y'all. Although I did hit the bong with Maxwell Cream the other day, and the whole interview was kind of a blur after that. The bong is crazy. He puts the blunt in the bomb. What? I swear to God, he snips pieces of the blunt. So how you smoke you?

You put your lips around it? Uh, yeah. No, no. He got mad at me, though, because I breathed all over the fucking body. I was like, I breathed out while it was already in my face. And he was like, why are you breathing on my shit like that, bro? White boy. I was like, fuck, you're right.

I haven't done this in a while. I told my cameraman, I'm like, man, you hit that blood like a white boy. It's like you hit the joint. You don't serve white boys. Somebody, some white boys got it, but most white boys, when they hit your blood, they hit it like a joint. you know they do that long pool that never stopped. I don't pass blitz.

I don't know what you're doing, your lips. I don't smoke at you. I'm running into the head. If you've ever made $10 million in a year, then you don't have to pass blunts anymore ever again. You really don't ever have to pass blunts a year, though. Well, for sure, man.

I spent a night in the studio with GBE, Chief Keith and Tato, everybody like that. About 500 blunts got smoked throughout the night. Not one of them passed to me. I know I felt very blessed. This was like once in a life. I was saying, Dan Fredo and she keeping them. Make a wish foundation style moment.

I came out of a 50 piece for the night. No, how much you had to pay them? No, I'm not paying nobody. You ain't had to pay them with them? You got to pay me for the feature. I'm just saying to hang around them, no. They ain't had to pay you to hang around them? Hell no.

Huh? Yeah, they didn't tell you to strip down. This was a good 2018. They didn't strip you down, too. We were all kicking out the store. I had all the BDs around me. They were loving. Four and them great you had, then what you?

They're loving the 22-star. You got the wolves of you. On 4-N-Grey. I got him to cry a little nigga. I'm going to be a big. I'm going to bein'clock. Hey, they'd be serious. We'd be like on a dead homies.

Yeah. I don't see. So they got the same extras. That's why I'd be telling them. When I first started going out there, I'm like, I talk just like us. Everything on something. Oh, dead hungry. I ain't never been nowhere else where they put shit on something just as much.

That's where I can they, like Chicago. Where are you going to be on phone? But that's just how we talk on. We put it on seven different parts of the set, that's another, one sentence. I don't think you're allowed to embrace Famous Richard if you're in the NFL, so that's good at you.

Famous who? Famous Richard, the on King David guy? Oh, I mean, I'm sure Chicago needs to do it. Oh, I figured you were talking about. I'm sure they ain't going to do it in no interview up. Yeah, I'm going to beat on that plate, man, they came around, man, he caught me, he talked, and he talked about it. But they're going to say, that shit.

They're going to be like, what? Oh, he's all. the league. Is it be for real? I don't know. Yeah, we're good, man. I'm gonna hit this Lager gang on the wood one time. Oh shit. Man, turn up, man. That's what said.

We'll see you out there. I'm about to go to the Friendsgiven. I'm going to No Jumper on Melrose. I can tell because you got the, uh, you like it? I'm trying to stay festive. I don't know. You like a hoodie?

Yeah, it's cute. Fuck a dick said it's cute. I went to Disney. You let the niggas tell you it's cute. He's so. As fuck the girl. You know, I don't sex play of the brick, though. Brick the brick.

Don't get sex played. All right. Appreciate y'all.