No Jumper - Destiny Gets Confronted by 2 Woke Onlyf*ns Girls

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Adam brings Emma Magnolia and her friend Sydney, for a deep convo with Destiny! ------ 00:00 Intro 2:40 Emma talks about handcuffing herself to a pipe in a protest retreat 5:15 Donating money instead of donating your time and making content out of it 7:40 Offensive sl*rs, Destiny getting called a “F-Slur” and Emma thinks No Jumper hates her 10:10 Sidney talks about starting a party podcast 12:40 Adin Ross getting kicked off of Twitch and saying that there are only 2 genders 16:50 People having an __ and getting __ while on stream and ___ on Tik Tok 19:30 Censorship on social media and banks being involved with cancel culture 24:10 Onlyfans girls losing basic civil right privileges for doing ___ work 28:00 Facebook, Twitter and PornHub require identity verification 31:30 Payment processors having too much power and if “Snuff corn” is a myth 38:40 Having your past come back to haunt you and drag queens reading books to kids 40:20 “Kink at Pride”, having pride events that are child-friendly and “puppy play” in public 43:40 Would Destiny be good at debating if he were a woman and how he would approach Fresh & Fit 49:50 Emma talks about being the breadwinner in her relationship 56:40 Destiny being in an open relationship and is AI creating deep fake corn wrong? 1:07:20 Doing Onlyfans while actively dating and catching feelings 1:10:25 Sidney says she F on the first date and if people should get to know each other first 1:14:55 Dating apps opposed to meeting people in real life 1:17:25 Adam asks Destiny if it bothers him that he ate Emma and Sidney’s *** before 1:18:50 Violet Myers and her failed attempt to F a fan and guys failing to get it up on set 1:27:45 Backlash against Richard Spencer, a r***st corn star and Destiny’s Feminist opps 1:35:15 Giving birth, the wonders of the woman's placenta and Liver King taking steroids 1:39:15 Being treated better after getting a BBL and women accepting a variety of body types ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today I have convened a panel of what I would refer to as sexual behemoths. Behemoths. Starting with Destiny. Starting with Destiny. The most sexual of all of us. A man who is, I feel like my testosterone is inching up the longer I sit next to him.

And then in addition to that, I have two only fans models. Yeah. We don't have names. Sid and Emma. What up? How are you guys doing? Say your full name. So Sidney Summers and Emma Magnolia.

Yes, sir. You said it for me. There you go. So I believe the original idea here might have came because I was like, you know, one and a half drinks in at an avian after party having a conversation with them. And they love that I think I one time referred to you as what, Antipa Babes. something like that. And then I had the brainstorm.

I'm like, I need to connect you to my friend Destiny. I think you guys would get along. Great. I kind of pictured this taking place in like a hotel room or something, maybe just a park somewhere, backseat of a car. But instead, here we are on the jumper podcast. And you guys are on either side of me, flanking me, really. Doing one better.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm more excited doing like the political talks and everything. So like if I can maneuver a girl, like, off the bed and in front of like a Wikipedia page, that's just like a perfect night for me. So, you know. Well, they already apparently, allegedly, at least Emma watched the interview,

our first interview that we did, right? I did. We both did. What were your main takeaways? You guys got any criticisms for us? I didn't know that Flacco was red-pilled. So that was a takeaway. He's some kind of pilled.

I'm not really sure what pill exactly. But yeah, that was definitely, that was conversational. That was a weird choice for me to have Flaco beyond that. But I'm always trying to put somebody in between me and Destiny to kind of make it so it's like less of a dick-sucking session. Yeah, I feel like the more that I watched of your interviews, the more I see you pitted against very far-right people, which leads to me to believe that we probably see eye to eye on more than we don't see eye to eye on. So I'm interested to see how this will go. He invented that.

Invented what? Fighting far-right people. The far-right. Yeah, talking to your opponents. Oh, right. be not invented. That's why you two are here right now. Congrats to you. New opponents. Would you say you invented that or were you just early on it?

I have a very toxic internet history. So I was like the first left-leaning guy that was willing to like talk shit with right-leaning people. Like all the left-leaning people online were very gentle and soft and snowflakey. And I was like very much like, let's chop, fuck it. And that's where my explosive growth came from in the beginning days. I like it. Wait. So I remember, but I don't remember the details when you told me about the fact that before you going into Onlyfans, your goal

in life was to what, go, like, chain yourself to some sort of pipeline or something on a Native American reservation? That's not my goal, but I did receive some training to do that, potentially. I went to, like, a training camp for pipeline resistors. And I, you know, ran a Narcan distro

for a while, HIV prevention program. Those are some woke credentials right there. Yeah. And, like, did, like, how like, like I gotta ask. How extensive is the training program for training yourself to pipes?

Is this like a two week course or is this like boot camp for six months? Or like how many different ways can you handcuff yourself to a pipe? I guess it helps maybe for the only fan stuff now. So yeah. Maybe, maybe. It wasn't like specifically for that.

It was just like a week long like briefing training for like anti-fascist resistance and pipeline resistance. That was just a bunch of knowledge sharing workshops that other organizers were doing on the mountains in Appalachia. We were kind of just off grid for, I think it was a four or five day long retreat. Maybe a week long. It's been a while.

I mean, the unfortunate reality is that whatever labor you would be capable of putting in being chained to a pipe or whatever, giving even a small percentage of your only fans' earnings to these organizations would probably be a better use of the time. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at the time, I had a lot

less money I'd do now. So, like, if I had done that, I think it would have been a more appropriate use of my resources that I have available

to my person than it would be now, which at this point, my, it would just go a lot further if I would give that money to water resistors. I feel like I disagree.

I don't know, really. I think that, um, seeing people that you respect do things, I think actually says a lot. Like, if I would have donate, like $20,000 to like some trash cleanup.

I don't think that would be good as me going to some place with like community members and doing videos of like trash cleanup because I think it inspires people to be more. But she had no platform at that time. You know? Whereas now it's like yeah, her going and chaining herself to something. Actually probably

that sounds pretty viral. I could see that being really good for that cause. Yeah. Especially if you're like got your ass sticking out with your only fans tattooed on your left ass cheek or something. It sounds very Kazumi while I'm saying this. Do you think people with platforms are obligated to do social good publicly?

If you talk about social good, absolutely. I hate people that talk and do nothing. And I don't think, and I understand what you're saying. I'm not taking away. Donating money is important. But I think people view like donating money as like a substitution for like doing any good or being good. And that type of idea drives me fucking crazy.

Well, I mean, there is some truth to it though, right? Just in the sense that like if you were to go do trash pickup, I mean, you could pay some like, you know, 14-year-old kid 10 bucks an hour to do trash pickup, right? Whereas, like, if you were to donate some percentage of your, of your, you know, earnings from streaming, it would probably be, like, massively more

than that, right? Whereas your labor is worth exactly the same amount as, you know, some kid or some convict. I think that when you're an influencer, when you get paid money to influence people, I think that there is an idea that by acting in ways that you want your community to emulate, you're like kind of slowly molding them into people

that would carry forward your message. right like so I could spend a weekend cleaning up trash and like doing YouTube content out of it or I could donate $20,000 to pay people to clean up trash the people that I pay can clean up way more trash than I can but at the end of the day like the community kind of like all jerks themselves off like oh yeah we sub him and he gave that money to trash cleaning people which is okay or if I do like a video of like me doing it and people see it maybe people get a little bit more involved in their communities maybe they like participate in it more and then that kind of message carries forward in a way better way I think.

Right, because optically, at the very least, I feel like almost nobody would give a fuck if you donated $20,000 to charity. Like, it would just be like a blip on the radar, even if you were kind of self-serving about it, then put out a tweet and did a special stream about it or whatever. Whereas you even taking like one day to go work in the soup kitchen or some shit would probably get a lot of fucking eyeballs on it, which is kind of strange that we clearly value one over the other, right? I mean, I think it's human, right? Yeah. I feel like it's just an essential part of being connected to your community is to be involved in things that are helpful to people. Being an activist for like an online person has to be more than just donating money

that we don't give a fuck about. And you're a relationship. Think about your relationship with your wife, right? Or your fiance. Like, I'm sure that you made enough money that you, like, let's say she really wanted to spend time with you for a week because you haven't done anything together. If you just bought her like a $5,000 gift, would she be okay with that? Or would she say like, yeah, she'd say, fuck you.

I need your fucking time. you to do something because you're my husband This is how the red pill thinks that the real world works Yeah because they're fucking retarded

Sorry that offense you guys Oh yeah How do you guys feel about the R-sler We got F-sleres in us too If you want Well I'm by So it's okay You're not allowed to say it

Okay I am allowed to say it If you kiss destiny You can say the F word Oh my goodness What a proposition I'm gonna opt out of that You know

That is kind of how that works Huh But now you're thinking I know I mean if it's since The word that's impacting you, I think that you can say it. Well, I feel like, I feel like he's, like, I don't know, like, but it feels like he's just done like a tiny little splash of gay shit

just so that he can kind of, like, claim that identity. You're just like these things. When I go, hold on, I suffer a lot of homophobia. When I go on, they call me Zestiny. Oh, I see it. Yeah. Your community does it on your fucking subreddit. All the Red Pill people call me, I have never been called a fag more than when I'm on these

fucking platforms where all the whole YouTube chat is, I feel like I'm back in 2012 on the internet. Holy shit. You know jumper comments were really nice though. Yeah, well, it's hard to tell on some of the YouTube stuff because my community will show up

and obviously they influence the comments. It is funny because... Yeah, but if you were to go back and look at like the first comments, there might have been a bunch of negativity, but then as time goes by, it tends to be people who willingly sought it out whereas I'm sure in the beginning

there's probably a lot of like hardcore no jumper fans who are like, I want to see an interview with an underground rapper and not this fucking weirdo. I feel like No Jumper fans hate me. You think? Sometimes.

Like a Sharp called you ugly one time? Well, the comments on the video with Sharp, they're all just like, yeah, he told her. Sharp for president. You know, you guys are Sharp filling today. What? Oh, my God. The people are not going to believe that. Today, like, three episodes.

First one was Richard Spencer. Second one was supposed to be Sharp, Adam, and Destiny. But then Sharp wasn't able to make it to L.A. today. so I ended up, you know, thinking about it for five minutes and being like, I want to bring them two together with Destiny. Fuck, yeah. I was just thinking Destiny should be in the Shark Tank earlier. But I'm glad it's awesome. What is the Sharp tank?

Sharp's podcast. What did I miss? What is this podcast? What would I talk about? But Sharp hates you. I don't know why, though. Does he actually hate me? That tracks to me.

I'm not sure why. Josh, you follow this? Wait, Sharp is the pimp guy, right? Yeah. I brought him on once to talk to, on my stream, Annalisia. Okay. I might be getting the story wrong, but I, I was told that he doesn't like you or had words for you or something.

We might disagree on a lot, but like the Annelicia woman is a hates black men. And they've got to do a huge argument over it. Oh, yeah. She's part of the divester community. What the fuck is that? Black women that want to abort black male babies and never date or be with black men. Oh.

So they had an intense conversation. How many of these are there? A lot. I notice because I've gotten a lot of talking points now. Whenever I fight with Red Pill Black men online, there are more black women than I knew existed, even in the world, are on like these comment sections like, oh yeah, like you tell off these black men destiny. I'm like, holy shit, okay. Divestors. I got to learn more about that. I had no fucking clue.

I feel like this isn't my business. That's kind of what we do here. White guys with podcasts. Anything that's not our business is right for analysis. But you guys are dipping your toes in the podcast, or just you and you're resisting it? Into what? Podcasting? Oh, I haven't hosted any of my own podcast, but I like guesting on a lot of podcasts. I'll start my own.

I just got to get around to it. Everyone must. Yeah. That's like the newest only fans. Are you doing it just for like an only fan's growth technique or is it, do you have a real desire to speak to humans? We have some schemes in mind. We kind of want to create a party brand and be party girls.

And it starts with the podcast. What's that like LMFAO or? Exactly. Every day we are shuffling. What's a party brand? Yeah, what's a party brand? What does that entail? I've never partied.

You know when you're growing up and the advice you get when you want to choose a job is to do what you love? I love going to raves. And I'm like, why wouldn't we create this podcast where we can go around, do it live, play a DJ set after. Everyone's buying merch. It's a fun time. Yeah. Are you guys doing that on your podcast? That's like a long-term desire.

Interesting. Yeah. Not bad. I would go to an online forever party. Fuck yeah. That's the brand name, online forever? That's the podcast name, yeah. Okay.

It was fun going on it. Yeah, you guys should come on. I feel like I'm online forever. You definitely are. That's the subject matter. I feel like that's like the worst name. No offense. Well, because like if you want to do raves in real life, isn't it weird calling it online forever?

No, so there's like, so there's the shadow element of online forever, which is being offline for a. Oh. You see what I'm saying? There we go. Unplug, hang out. Save yourself. I want to be feral. I'd like to be foaming at the mouth on this podcast and find something that we disagree on.

Uh, well, you didn't bring us anything to drink, did you? Uh, yeah, you guys drunk, that would be, it's going to take a little while. Well, I guess we're not for me. I had two shots and I'm good to go. No, no, we're not doing that right now, though. We've got thoughts. We've got subjects that we could talk about. Oh, yeah, let's hear it.

Yeah, I want to know what you guys think about everything that's happened lately with, like, Andrew, not Andrew Tate, with in Ross getting kicked off of Twitch and, like, the type of content that's, he's been pushing through on this kick platform. It's kind of fascinating because you're looking at somebody who clearly kind of had the world by the balls and could have pretty much done whatever in terms of building like a brand as a streamer and everything, but the allure of telling the world that there are two genders and all had like going on this little like Andrew Tate Levin spree is apparently too strong because I mean, part of it's got to be the fact that he apparently has like, you know, $50 million or

$100 million. I've heard of all sorts of numbers. In Ross has $50 million? Well, he was allegedly getting $4 million a month from stake at one. one point to basically endorse their gambling site and play on stream and everything. He allegedly got $150 million from state or from Kick, the news streaming platform. So I don't know if any of those numbers are true, but even if they're like totally off, like he would pretty much have to be an idiot to not have like $50 million plus in the bank right now,

which has got to be kind of overwhelming when you're just a 22 year old kid. I interviewed him a couple years ago and he was painfully normal. Interesting. I'm sure. If you even have $10 million, just fuck it, retire. Why be perceived? What would have you like what you're doing? How old is everybody here?

Just curious. Actually, I know how old is. How old are you, too? Do you mind saying? Are you given a prox? I'm just crazy. Okay. Yeah, I'm 29.

I feel like, um... You guys are great for the record. Thank you, so much. Yeah, I'm just curious for World War and life. I feel like it's hard when... I feel something for these kids that are like 19 and 20 and getting like worldwide fucking fame. Oh, literally.

It's easy for me to look at Aiden and be like, what a fucking moron. But dude, if I look at myself when I'm 34 now, if I look at myself when I was 27. I was a fucking idiot. I can't even imagine being 21 or 20 with like 70,000 live, I can't even imagine the insane shit I would say. So he's stupid, but he should be. He's like

22, right? I think about this all the time. Like if I had the platform and like the amount of like resources and power that I have now when I was like 18 or 19, I would probably be dead. Like I probably would not have lived this long. I would have done something so stupid that would be gone.

And you want to rebel and fight. Yeah, there are fucking two genders or whatever. But it hits different when you're like a college kid who's mad at mom and dad versus when you're on, you know, kick with 80,000 people watching and everything you say resonates out into the internet ethers, you know? Okay,

but when you see the latest in Ross career arc in particular, like that there are two genders tweet or whatever, like do you feel like it's coming from a principled stance where he really believes these things and he wants to put it out into the world regardless? Or do you feel like this is him just kind of losing it? I think he's losing it. I feel like Aiden said there are two genders because that's as high as he can count.

I don't think he's put a lot of thought into transgender. I think if I were to ask him for a coherent definition of like sex and gender, you'd probably like strewl a little bit. That's why. No offense to Aiden. I was supposed to be on a stream yesterday. You tell me, but he's not saying the right thing, right?

Like he's not saying what he thinks he's saying when he says there are only two genders because nobody's really arguing. He's arguing it's like the extreme like 72 gender thing or whatever. But he really means. there's no trans people. That's what he's trying to say. Yeah, I think that's what he means, but the idea that, like, you know, if I put on a wig and a miniskirt, then I'm kind of, like, performing the female gender.

But he'd probably be opposed to that, I would imagine. I imagine, yeah. I want to know what you guys think about him. Didn't he show porn? That was on Twitch? On Kik. No, on Kij. So he got kicked off of Twitch permanently. But that happened at a later day, dude. I think that happened after he did the porn thing. Yeah. And it's all connected.

Well, I think he was on Twitch, and I think he showed his kick chat for like 20 minutes. And then I think he got banned. That's what I saw. Interesting. It was tweeted because apparently there were lots of racial slurs and stuff. Because that's what we do when we're unmoderated. We immediately go to the racial slurs, I guess. Yeah.

This kick has no moderation in the chat? Very, very, very little. Wow. Like, recently Heal Mike got a one-day band for getting a blowjob on stream. Who's Heel Mike? He just says another streamer. Okay. He's another streamer.

What? He got a blow job? He got a blow job. You can only see a little bit, right? I think it was his face was on the screen, but it was very apparent that he was getting his dick sucked. Wow. Wait, is that really where they draw the line?

Do they, why? That's interesting. I don't know. And people can be nude on kick, right? This is what I've heard. Or can I do a, can you orgasm on Twitch if you are not showing any genitalia? Like, what if you have some kind of vibrating device in your pants and you can't see

what's happening, but like it's obvious from your face that you're experiencing an orgasm? Great question. There's a lot of different ways that I could kind of imagine pushing the line. And actually, my friend Trevor, was just telling me. me about this insane trend on TikTok. Oh, I did it, dude. It blew up. Wait, what are you talking about?

The tits? Oh, people have their entire tits out on TikTok right now. Have you seen the nipples and shit? Yes. It's this weird new challenge where they'll film it in such a way so that like the hair is covering the nipple. But then it goes away for a second and it comes back. And these videos have millions of views because you can see a nipple for the like briefest second. I don't get it.

Where is this coming from? Like what is the appetite for this? Because for me, a lot of these videos, I had to watch them three or four times before I noticed the slight nudity going on. It's like a taboo. It's not like glitched out on it because I'm obsessed with them now.

Really? So you're like into trying to find it. It's like a where's Waldo type feeling your brain? Yeah. Wow. I feel like it's like the taboo of doing something you shouldn't do on a very censored platform.

It's absolutely that. It's like you can have all the porn available to you in the world. But as soon as you see that fucking scientifically accurate titty in your like biology book, it's like the most fascinating fucking thing to stumble.

It's like when you open the, the textbook for biology in like sixth grade and they all fall open to the same page because kids were constantly opening to the fucking titty page or whatever. There's just something about it. You ever see like a naked homeless woman in public and you just can't look away? No? That sounds horrible. I can usually look away from that.

Oh, my God. Yeah. You just went so much farther than anyone was ready to. I think you've been in L.A. longer than we have. Well, okay. The more boring example of that would be like the National Geographic when you're a kid and you're looking at the women who are like clearly not like. like what most men would consider attractive,

but you just can't believe they're looking at it in the library. I went with the homeless woman in a culturally normal way. I guess when I'm thinking homeless Skid Row, I'm thinking like a woman that's like dying of like methadone and you can like see your tit like fall. That sounds depressing. Yeah, yeah, that kind of vibe. No, I'm not trying to deny the depressing angle at all

because for sure it's depressing. I've seen some unreal shit when I was living down there. What do you guys think is like the line where that should be drawn for like when people should be banned from these platforms like Twitch. Like do you think it was justified that Aiden got banned? I mean, if he was truly showing in chat that had like racial and homophobic slurs and was violating the TOS, then that's like a 30-day hate speech ban, right? He probably knew what he was doing right there, right?

Do we even have it confirmed that there's a permanent ban? Yeah, it's permanent. I mean, the thing that kind of bothers me more so is just that it seems like Twitch is kind of cultivating a little world in which they can pretty much ban you for anything that they want, somebody like Sneaker who hadn't even streamed on Twitch, right? It was already sort of like prematurely banned on Twitch because he had said offensive things on other platforms. Like, I mean, I guess it's within their rights to create whatever kind of little club

over there that they want, but I do find it kind of gross and it makes me root for their demise. Like what do you think is the line that we should draw, though? Like what, where do you determine what ideas are too socially harmful to the populace? I think the first thing is you have to figure out what your point. platform is four. So like on Twitch, you probably want a more specific culture than like YouTube that's like videos

for the world. So I can understand Twitch being a little bit more constrained in terms of what they want. I think one rule, I feel very strongly about this. I think you should only be banned where you do wrong. So if I type the most racist, hateful, hurtful shit on like Facebook, I should get banned from Facebook, but I think it's really

weird when there's like a domino effect. And then all of a sudden you get banned from Twitter, Patreon, Airbnb, like every platform, I think that's weird. I think that you're your mistakes should be where they are and remain where they are. And then you go to another platform if you want to after. And just to give you the most extreme example of this, we just have this dude Dick Masterson on here.

And he at one point basically created like a Patreon competitor, like a simple app website, whatever, where you could subscribe to a creator and send them X amount of dollars per month. And he, because of certain people who are using it, he didn't really say, but I'm assuming that there were some people

who were probably considered like racist or homophobic, whatever, using his platform to accept. donations, he has now, he can't open a bank account or have a credit card from any, like, place that does that. The process transactions, yeah. Basically, because of the fact that, like, they, because it probably wouldn't have been a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that apparently he had, like, haters who were reporting him

to the bank or whatever, and they basically came to view him as somebody who was, you know, using their bank to, I don't know, fund extremism, basically. Yeah. Interesting. He wanted to be like a payment processor. So like let's say I wanted to subscribe to like the Daily Stormer or Nick Fuentes. Right. Since Patreon won't host them, I could instead use his service to pay money and then yeah.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. And yeah, I would say that that's like kind of a glimpse into the future of like what could become of this. And so I think that I like them taking a principled stance on like only enforcing this against shit that happens on platform probably makes a lot of fucking sense. And just in general, the idea that the banks are like I know everybody kind of had a laugh. Maybe not everybody. but a lot of people that laugh when it happened to Kanye. But yeah,

the Dick's story. There's a little bit... No verticality. Yeah. Like, banks should... Even if people are buying child porn, like the bank should just process a payment. That's all the bank is supposed to do.

The platforms themselves should be regulating. You guys should have opinions about this. And then I talked to Adam of this. I have a lot of opinions about this. Because of pornography, right? A lot of our pornography regulation comes from, like, fucking Visa. Like, what payments will they process as...

That's why some platforms... A lot of people don't know why some platforms... A lot of people don't know why some platforms are for or against porn or whatever. And there's a lot of different reasons, but one of those reasons is because, depending on the site you run, if they find out that you're doing pornographic transactions are certain types, you can't get payments anymore from, like, major payment processors. And it's like, I'm against, personally, I know it's brave, I'm against child porn. And I'm against, like, horrible stuff like that.

Yeah, I'll come out against it. But, like, the job of enforcing that should be on the platforms that host it, not on the payment processors. Yeah, but what if they don't do that job? Then boycott them or fight with them. But I think I would rather live in a world where some platforms don't do their jobs than when we rely on like vital infrastructure to do the job. Because I think at some point it gets to the point to where we start going to leasing companies and we're like, are you really going to rent an apartment to Adam 22 who had Richard Spencer on his show? And now he's like he can't rent an apartment in like Manhattan or L.A. because nobody wants to rent to him. But you would assume sex workers literally experience that in real life.

I would assume that Richard Spencer probably deals with that. Maybe, yeah. If he hasn't changed his government name, even me, if I'm a fucking realtor and he comes to rent from me, I'm probably going to think, oh, well, this is going to be a little bit more complicated than renting the apartment to Emma Magnolia, right?

Maybe, yeah. If Richard Spencer tried to rent a place for me, I would probably be like, no. Wow. Yeah. Some girls that do OnlyFans now are having trouble. I would for sure tweet about it. Yeah.

Some girls that do OnlyFans now, I don't know if this is real and I should be careful. I saw it tweeted by an OnlyFans girl that she got rejected for, it was either a visa or an immigration form to come into the, United States because she did only fans. I had a friend who just got banned from the U.S. for 10 years because she was coming to visit me.

And at the border, they were looking to her phone and found porn on it and saw that she does born. And they're like, you can't come to the U.S. for the next 10 years. Probably because they probably associate all of it with like trafficking and prostitution and shit. From Canada, too? From Canada, yeah. What the fuck?

Are they allowed to just look through my fucking phone? I gotta delete a lot of shit. If they can come up with a reason to. I don't even think I need a reason. You have no fucking rights at the border, dude. Oh, yeah, I guess that's true. They can detain you with no fucking reason. They can hold you for some amount of time.

You don't get a fucking lawyer. You don't get shit. They own your ass at the border. That's a scary one right there. Yeah, I feel like we've met lots of sex workers who have housing issues. You lose your bank account. You can lose your bank account because they think you're doing something unethical. And they don't have to give you the money in it.

Or I've heard of cases where they haven't given people their money. Well, you have to be careful for what you have. Like, a bank should have to give it to you. But like PayPal. Might not because of the way that, yeah. PayPal, like, years ago. I lost $20,000 on PayPal once. Years ago, PayPal shut down Lena's account and took whatever money was in it,

and she has not been able to reach any sort of customer support to get any kind of answer to be able to use it in the future. This is on an app that was built by sex workers using it first also, which happens a lot of times. Yeah, I mean, PayPal was? Yeah, PayPal was used by sex workers early on. Interesting. And now they pick them off. Every single platform will do that where they grow on the backs of,

I don't want to say the seedier parts of society, but it's like, we've got racist, we've got sex, we've got everything. But then once they hit like a certain critical mass, they're like, okay, well, now we want to bring in the A-list sponsor, so fuck you guys. Twitch did that, right? YouTube, in a way, did that, like, everybody. Yeah, even Only fans tried to do that recently,

and they only kept us because people were outraged. Well, because they were, they were going to lose other people to Fansley and Fan House. Yeah. Yeah, and well, actually, what I heard really happened was that they ended up going into negotiations with the credit card companies and reached some sort of like relatively good terms that they were able to agree on.

And I think part of that was a bunch of different fetish shit being banned from the platform, like poop shit, pee shit, I think. I don't know if it was already banned, but some of the like outdoor sex stuff, whatever. Like what is the stuff that you guys know you can't do on there that you. Fisting? Unfortunately, I love fisting. I can't put it on my own. They took fisting from us?

It's been taken away from us. You can leave the thumb out. And then it's, yeah, this. Shut the fuck. What about for all? All of the thumbless women. How far can their hand go in? Then they're not allowed to.

Because then it's the whole fist. It is the whole fist. My first actual girlfriend for, say, like, two months, three months when I was 12, had multiple fingers missing. So I kind of reject the idea that she could even make a fist. Dude, I used to sit like this on the bus to, like, so people would think I was interesting in school. Try to convince a new out of a finger missing? Oh, wait.

Oh, no. Okay. Yeah, see? Yeah, I'm interesting. I feel you. You just let us in on. some trauma right there. That was pretty interesting. Do you guys know about the credit card battle that happened with Pornhub recently? That's why they

oh was it recent or a few years ago? Within the past couple years. Because it wasn't that why? It was like Pornhub and MasterCard were disputing over issues brought forth by what was it? It was identity verification. Exodus Cry. No it was I mean identity verification is that who we're debating today? Exodus Cry or was that the other one that got moved. I forget. But Exodus, yeah, we're supposed to have them on the podcast at some point. Really? Yeah, the women from it. Whoa. Whoa. Bring me. Yeah. But Exodus Cry. I got this guy. This sex worker. Shut up. What are you saying, Joe. I have no idea. Exit cry is like a far right organization that was pushing the idea that there was a fuckload of child porn

on porn hub when in reality there's way more child porn on like platforms like Facebook than even on porn. Or fucking, this was the weirdest. But Facebook's not publicly Facebook. Whereas like porn hub, you could theoretically just go search the shit up, right? Whereas like this- Facebook, no, but the child porn problem on Facebook is people sending it in the messages. Sure. This is the weirdest thing I'd ever discovered my entire fucking life. There was a hashtag.

I don't remember what the hashtag was. There was a hashtag on Twitter for underage people posting porn. Interesting. Where, fuck, it was like T-T-W-T or, it was some fucking bullshit hashtag. But if you clicked it, it was a ton of girls, like 15, 16. someone is posting full on fucking porn with hashtags. Like, holy shit. And you believe it was posted by them and not by other people?

I didn't dig into it that much. I'm sorry. I should have DM someone, I guess. Kind of like irrelevant who posted it at that point and it's on there. Yeah, but I don't know. No, it's just pretty crazy. I feel like if there was any number of underage people doing that, it would almost immediately be taken over by people who were trying to like sell you something.

I would assume that just the way hashtags seem to go. Yeah, so. But that's fucking crazy. blew up this issue in an effort to try to shut down Porn Hub overall or something. Like it was a scapegoat issue

ultimately because they They just want to get rid of porn. They just wanted to oppose porn in the sex industry and their prohibitionist. I remember reading the New York Times article about all that and thinking that I wasn't really 100% sure what was actually going on. Was this like a bullying campaign

against Porn Hub? Or was there actually like a sizable child porn issue going on on porn hub? Which I ended being pretty convinced that they're like age verification and shit was basically non-existent and that people really could sign up and upload whatever the fuck they wanted. At one point you could, and I know this because I watch a lot of porn and several years ago. Upload a lot too?

I think only me and your mom, but you can't see my face on it. But what happened was Pornhub axed every single non-verified upload video. So now if you want to find like the older porns that we grew up loving and watching, you have to go to like X-Hamster and shit, but Pornhub has none of that. Oh, wow. Every single pornographic video up there is the uploader, I think, had to verify their identity to do it. Right. Because that's the OnlyFans is now, too.

And I don't know if that's something that came about after they almost took it away. But it's like now every single person in every single video has to be a tagged OnlyFans creator or else you're not allowed to upload it, right? Yeah. It was basically all a domino effect from what was going on with Pornhub and MasterCard. Yeah. Which I do think a lot of those things are probably for the best. Like, we probably want, like, airtight security on sites. like Pornhub and OnlyFans just to avoid abuses that are inevitably going to make the whole

industry look bad, right? Yeah, but we should push. Or just abuses in general. Yeah. We should push the platforms for it, though. I feel like pushing the payment processor is scary. It just sets a weird precedent. Well, it's a payment processor pushing the platform.

Yeah, but I don't want the pay. I just want the payment processor to push the platform. No, I want the people to do it. But I also think that if these right-wing groups or anti-porn groups were able to just put the pressure directly on Pornhub, they would probably never get anywhere because Pornhub just isn't going to lose money as a result of some group being angry about it, right? Like, they probably feel like they have to go to the... If Pornhub got the reputation of hosting child porn,

I think there'd be big backlash against it. I feel like, and this is not a commentary on Mind Geek, which is the company that owns Pornhub and browsers and all that. I think that they honestly do pretty well as a company, but I don't trust companies in general to be doing the right thing. I just really don't. And, you know, like, if there's a circumstance in which a payment processor can make a company be less harmful, if they're doing serious harms, then I support that. I think the scary thing that happens is when I talk about payment processor, what I'm really talking about are these, fuck, there's a smarter word for this.

But it's kind of like these utility backbones to how everything works. And I think it's attacking those things that makes me scared. Do you guys know anything about, like, net neutrality? Yeah. Yeah, it's the idea that like basically, like, your ISP shouldn't be able to give you preferential access to different websites, right? And the idea behind that being that, like, if you pay for internet access, then you can access the internet, full stop. Like, we don't want at the ISP level for people to be directing traffic. And I view payment processing is one of those things that when you go off to these, like, properly basic, like, fundamental structures, and you try to do policy from there, you end up in a world where, let's say I really fucking hate porn.

and I campaign as hard as I can and I get porn removed from like a few websites. I think that's totally fine. I think that's great. You have a right to protest. You've got a right to do it. And if you manage to get it removed, that's fine. But let's say you do that and you target Visa or MasterCard and you win with them. Well, now nobody can do porn.

Now it's gone from the internet. And rather than like enforcing your view on like some websites, you've gone after like these fundamental building blocks. And I feel like you're hitting like an attack vector that should be off limits, I feel. Yeah. I agree. I do believe in net neutrality. I don't think that internet access.

be politically stratified. But you don't feel the same for credit cards. You want to stratify an American Express. I think that more what I believe in the regard of companies, like, not being accountable enough is like more in the vein of production companies like that are producing items that are like destroying the planet. I mean like Chase and Masters, these are all companies too though, right? You're relying on them to bow to public pressure?

Like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't want them right. Like, the TOS on OnlyFans should represent what the company only fans and their customers and their users want, not what fucking MasterGuard wants. So what do you think is like the, what do you think is the course of action for the company and the people around it interacting with it if a company is allowing production of, like, some type of heinous porn, like snuff porn or something like that? You boycott the company.

And if you want to go farther, you can work out like the people working with it, I think. So, like, if you upload to Porn Hub and I know that they do SnuffPorn, then I'm not going to support your content anymore. Like, I feel like that type of activism is effective. Is SnuffPorn a myth? No. Because I heard that at one point it was, but I feel like in this modern age, it's almost certainly not. Because I've heard about things that are, like, objectively worse than the snuff porn happening on, like, crazy-ass Zoom calls on dark web type people or whatever. What is worse than, like, child snuff porn?

Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, okay. Some of the articles I've read it. Can we cut that part out? Who's doing the editing? I've heard about that.

Like a bunch of fucking dudes in a Zoom call and there's literally like a person receiving tips and they're torturing a fucking child on camera. Jesus Christ. Oh, they used to do really weird shit like that on Fortune where they would post like an image of like a cat and they'd be like I'm going to start setting the cat on fire if you don't like throw me up to this fucking PayPal address and shit

to get people to like give money and shit to things. Oh shit. Dude. Let me fist. Damn. Yeah. So, okay. Let somebody piss in my mouth.

We're not hurting anybody. What you guys don't know is that destiny kind of like uses me as like a sounding board for all of his like weird porn questions and stuff. Yeah. So I just want to like open up the gate, the floodgates really for him to be able to throw some of those questions at you guys too just since, you know, normally I feel a little objectified having these. This segment's called sex. He's feeling used. Do you feel like I'm taking a bit of? advantage of our friendship sometimes?

No. Okay. I'm totally joking. But I do want to, I want to know what you want to know about their lives. I don't know. I mean, I'm friends with a lot of, like, only fans, producers and stuff. I don't know if I... Not these ones.

True. That's true. Richard Spencer wanted to know everything. Was he really asking you guys? Yeah, Richard, Mr. McKeough was so curious about us. He was open into questions. He was like, what? How?

We were like, we make porn, and he was like, what do you mean? What do you mean? To be fair, this is a guy who's like a, a constitution. Harvard from fucking Montana. You might be the first only fans, girls. He's ever seen his entire life. But I feel like when Richard Spencer is at his heart, he's like a subculture guy. Like he likes punk.

He likes like, like, I feel like at least a little bit or at least like at one point I was like, but he's like at least aware of it and stuff. He just does an example in our conversation. But I feel like he's looking at you guys and just seeing like I feel like in his head, a porn star probably doesn't have like, you know, cute banksy tattoos or whatever the fuck you got going on over there. A porn star doesn't have these sort of like bangs that Sidney's Rock here that I don't fully understand but I feel like it represents you being at least somewhat culturally aware in a way that he probably sees himself.

I feel like people always want what they can't have, you know? I don't know how much sex Richard Spencer has been having so that might be part of it too. I believe he's going through a divorce and stuff. He's got children, he's had some sex at least. That's true. There was a part of me that wanted to like, out of it. asking him about his legal situation. This has been sued for fuckloads of money and shit,

but I don't want to make it personal at a certain point. You didn't want to make it personal? No, we respect our podcast guests here. I don't want to come off as like a tacky. I don't want to come off as like a tacky. Or like we're like talking about ideas and stuff. I don't want to be like, oh, so here's some stuff you were accused of. That's fair.

Yeah. It's like a different tone. Although I do feel like people probably go like kind of want that or expect that when you're talking to somebody that people consider objectionable. I don't know. I definitely went harder with Nick Fuentes to try to state the case of him being racist. I had like a bunch of quotes

from Richard Spencer in my phone that I didn't bother to read because at a certain point it was just like, when I'm going to read you some shit? You said 10 years ago. Yeah, it's always hard to see how much people have changed because he honest to God,

he seemed pretty agreeable. Yeah, yeah. To almost everything he said. But then I always get, yeah, I'm always paranoid too and that like, if I watch a YouTube video he do afterwards is he's going to be like,

so anyway, I went on this podcast and I totally hoodwink. these two fucking losers. And now I'm going to do a 35-minute dissertation of how Jews control the world or some shit. I do think he's genuinely changed. I've seen a lot of recent content.

Here's the reason why I think he's changed. When I'm trying to figure out, like, if people are being authentic or not, I usually look at where the incentives lie. And people that fight against incentives, I tend to give a lot of credit to. And Spencer has completely and totally alienated and burned to the ground his prior audience.

Everybody on the right fucking hates him now. Which you really got to respect. Yeah, they call him a Libcock. They think he's a Biden worship. They hate everybody on the right, hits search or something. It's like, well, if you're still out here doing shit and you're saying that, I mean, there must be some conviction behind your shit. I can respect

anybody who alienates and pisses off their entire audience in the pursuit of just saying and doing what they want to do. That's pretty dope. And I gotta get credit because, like, bro, I said shit five years ago that I think is fucking insane. And if I had people, and people do, they come in me all the time. Oh, well, you said this five years ago. Okay, I was a 20-old. It was a fucking re-you-were-what. I was a dumb fuck.

Like, I'm not going to defend that. Obviously, I'm different now. I feel like I've said some ridiculous stupid shit, and I'm very thankful that you have room to grow. I say less. You're happy that you were saying it to somebody else in a dorm room and not like on Twitter to a million people. Yeah.

Yeah, these motherfuckers will take the 21 year old kids getting recorded. And it's like, bro, let me record every single conversation you have in the privacy of your friend groups to see like if you survive internet skirt name. Do you think that 10 years from now we're still going to see, you know, like people not being able to go to college because they said the N-word and a Snapchat when they were 16? Do you think that society is going to like kind of outgrow that? I feel like 10 years from now, we're going to have presidential candidates who are going to have old Snapchat shit leaked of them, where he's doing like blackface.

Oh, that already happened with Trudeau, I guess. Really? Oh, yeah. He's doing like blackface and shit, yeah. He wore it well. Or how many Republican, like, lawmakers now are like, this guy did drag. It's like, fuck. Yeah.

So dumb. Only to have it revealed that they were having anonymous gay sex in a bathroom or something like that. Do you guys frequent the, like, children's drag shows or is that out of your wheelhouse? Children's drag shows? Yeah. I mean, like. Somebody's got to be going. I'm telling him apparently.

Are you talking about like the like the drag queen like storybook reading hours? Yeah, but like the freaky ones that I'd be seen on lives of TikTok. Literally what? Are you getting a little too crazy with it? What are you talking about? You don't know what I'm talking about? You don't follow lives of TikTok? Oh no.

I mean, they'll really kind of push you into like even if you think like all the the drag queen outrage is over exaggerate or whatever. Once you pay a little bit of attention to the, the lives of TikTok, you'll be like, okay, some of the shit is fucking strange, man. I'm going to be honest. I've asked Nathan, I'm like, Nathan, do they tell you? you about like becoming a girl in school and he's like no dad what do you mean i'm just checking i just want to make sure like i get fucking paranoid sometimes i never heard of a drag queen show for kids in my

fucking entire life until lives a ticot to be honest i mean i think it's a cute idea for a drag queen to read books so a kid like that's a fun costume i can imagine a cute version of it it's a fun gender performance like what is there to complain about nobody's getting hurt yeah if they have their clothes on i guess i could agree with that but as soon as they start getting all freaky i'm just yeah the problem is never seen anything like what you're We gotta tab you know what lives at TikTok. There's a weird coupling effect because it's like, and even I, I think I've given two

completely contradictory opinions on this where I've been okay with it and not okay with it. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with like drag shows for kids. If it's like the hyper exaggerated, like they wear like the big dresses and they do these shit, it's like it's whatever. I think it's funny if anything else. But it's so coupled now with like the

kink at pride parade argument and like all of these things. And we all saw like the video of the girl walking down the street and some guy in like a doggy leather costume like hitting her with his fucking rubber dick in her face. Wait, what is your opinion on Kinket Pride? This is so funny that you're talking about Kinket Pride. I posted on my regular personal Instagram.

I was like, what should we talk to Destiny about? And one of my friends was like, talk about Kinket Pride. I think it's super inappropriate. I think it's super inappropriate? Fuck it. This is what Pride is for. So here, this is the issue that I had, okay, without diving too deeply into this,

is it feels like one of the hard things about doing Kanket Prize. is we have these understandings of like, what are LGBT people? And the negative stereotypes are their sex crazed, child grooming, horny all the time fucking monsters. And I think ideally, it's like, well, no, hold on. You can be gay and you're not molesting kids, or you can be trans, whatever.

It's not all about that. But I feel like when you couple all the crazy sexual shit with it, like, it's very easy to sell that message. Interesting. For me, being gay is a sex thing, personally. It's about the sex that I'm having and the relationships that I'm in that definitely involve sex. And I feel like pride is so intrinsically linked with like the history of the criminalization of gay sex.

And so for me, that is an inherently sexual event. And I don't think that that's a problem. I think that it would be reasonable to have kid-friendly pride events that are specifically marked as to be able to bring your kids to. But otherwise, I think that's where we, where we settled out, I think on my stream is that like, as long as there's like some delineation. Because like, yeah, there's obviously a lot of fun. There's historical context, too, for like, why the. kinky people and the pride people are all kind of like in the same communities, but some delineation being like child friendly and not child friendly probably the most appropriate. Yeah.

If I go to pride, I want to see somebody getting fisting. If I took my kid to pride, what's the worst thing that I might see as a person is? It's going to be people in like rubber dog costumes like fucking street. Maybe. I mean, fucking each other? There were a video. There was a crazy fucking video. You said like the rubber dog costume and I was kind of been like, oh, that's not that bad. And then you're like, fucking each other. I went, oh, wow. I feel like I see it. I feel like I see puppy play in public every time I go to Pride. For sure. But I've never seen someone actually fucking another person at Pride.

Unfortunately for me, I would really like to. Well, because they ban the cops from it, right? The cops aren't allowed to go to the Pride so we don't have anyone to arrest the people who are fucking each other at Pride. Yeah, this is my opinion on Pride. There should be public sex at Pride and no cops. Jesus. I'm going to invite the cops for sure, right? We got to get the community getting along with the cops, right?

These are who the gay people should be asking to protect them. We need to increase their relationship, right? Gay people actually love cops and child snuffborn. Jesus Christ. I thought I knew where that was going. That's a TikTok or Snapchat clip. That's what you guys do right there. I have a question for Destiny.

I'm like, okay, because you're very good at debating, and I've always considered one of my weak points, but I'm so curious if you were a woman, so take that as you will. I don't think you're in this hypothetical. I don't think you're as good at debating as you are now. Wow. Maybe it's a question.

Okay, you say that, hold on, wait a second. Have you dated anybody before? Yes. Okay. Prover. I get this shit. I get this shit. Women will say shit to me where it's like, you're so good at debating.

How do you remember all these, like, facts? How do you do the, in the middle of an argument? You're so rhetorically effective, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. You're going to do an argument with a woman, and she'll remember every incorrect fucking thing you've ever done. Every feeling you had. I'll be like, Malina, I didn't fucking do this shit.

It's like, well, actually, on July 4th, after you told me this, you said that, and I know that you said that because I'm like, what the fuck? You can't argue. It just depends on what you're passionate about. The last girl I dated was a lawyer. So you're a woman and you're going on to fresh and fit. So that's the entire. Great idea.

I love it. Okay, yeah. What's the strategy? Just in general? Yeah, because I went on, I've only been on it once. I was completely overwhelmed with the worldview of men's rights activists. I had never fully delved into it. And my mouth was just like on the floor the whole time because I could not believe

what I was hearing, but I'm just curious, like, what would you say to them as a lady? That's the ideal approach. That's a really hard question. There is, that's, it's, that's, that's, there's, you could do like 10 hours. They're women that have probably devoted their lives to this. Like, off the top of my head, there's a couple issues where, as a woman, it's very hard to be authoritative without being a hyper bitchy con. That's just how people will perceive you.

Whereas for a man, you can tear into somebody, you can be really hardcore and blah, blah, blah, but for a woman, it's hard to take the same type of tone without people viewing you in a certain light. It's also hard that people will judge you differently based in your appearance. So like you've heard of the term like pretty privilege, right? Yeah. So for women, it is a hardcore double-edged sword

where when you're pretty, you definitely get access to more than you would otherwise. But you're also gas-liding yourself for your entire life because you don't really know if any of your achievements are real or just every guy around you're trying to fuck you. Men get all of the advantages of pretty privilege, but none of you're not. of the disadvantages. You'll never see a guy that's like reasonably attractive and he does well in

business. He's like, oh, he probably fucked his way to the top. Like, that never happens, you know. So there are some asynchronous parts between like men and women that I think make it hard for women to thrive in like very heavy debate environments without the woman like consciously being like, I'm going to throw aside like every social norm I've been programmed with and just say fuck it and go hard. Like I can excel in that environment and get a lot of respect for it and there are communities that will cherish me for it. But for a woman, you're really kind of hanging yourself out there on their own.

Which I think is how they designed the podcast. No, no, no. That's not the podcast. That's the world. Yeah. Yeah, the world. That's all of society. But then even more specifically,

Fresh and Fit, they outline very specific rules that the women on there have to adhere to or else they don't get credited or they get kicked off the podcast. Like the stuff that you said on Fresh and Fit, I think that if I came forward with the same points, they would be like, you're done, get out.

Maybe, yeah. Or they would just silence me. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if you're a girl going into that environment, like I kind of like the approach that I think your friend who was here the other day took, which is like she seemed to have like three or four things she like wanted to get across. And then she kind of like pushed the conversation so that she was able to say those things.

And then she clipped them for TikTok and they did extremely well for her. It's like that it's fucking crazy like that that's how it fucking works. But I did it work for her. And I think it makes sense because there's an extent to which you're just not going to be able to really catch much of a W when you enter into their arena by their rules. So you got to kind of like figure out what you want to say and just try to give it off. There's a huge strategy that I employ that I'm very conscious of where when I'm going into these platforms where it's going to be very adversarial, I try really hard to build bridges

first. Like my first appearance? Yes. Because you have to serve from a place of empathy and understanding or else you're never going to be able to connect. If you watch my first appearance on Fresh and Fit and maybe my second one too, my fans were so mad. They were like, why didn't you push back enough?

Why didn't you give enough on this? Why did you let him get away with that? I was like, because I just want them to make sure that they understand that I know where they're coming from. Once I've built that empathy and I'm kind of like in their circle, then I can start to push a little bit and it won't feel like an outsider just like coming down on you. But as a man, I can get buy in with other men easier than a fucking, especially a pretty woman can. Yeah. I mean, that is very, that's just how you change people's minds about stuff, as if they think that you're right there with them. Yeah.

And for a woman, that's just another bear. It's possible, but you've got to do that much more work to like empathize with a normal guy. Yeah. Because women say a lot of fucking stupid shit about dating and sex. So stupid, dude. Men are dumb, too, but like, oh, my God. If you were to watch Fresh and Fit, and if you were to conclude that the average woman is a fucking imbecile, it would be pretty reasonable because the average woman on that show is definitely retarded. Well, yes, but also they're in an environment where the retardation is heavily encouraged.

Oh, yeah. Because you've got to consider you've got your two kings. You've got the men that are there that are the kings. And you're in Miami. And your 11 girls that are desperately looking for like, I want to blow up on the show. I'm a really small content creator. I'm not a debate, Lord. Say what you will about my run.

Myron is very verbally adept. That guy can talk circles around 99% of people, even in political debate spheres. So I can't imagine being, and then you've got like the mysterious like picnies and the fucking crowd too that you don't know are going to come out and fucking attack you. They have like these girls on there. The show is like mostly not even only fans girls usually. It's like Miami Bay. It's probably like 70% girls who might want to model at the side and really have no actual stake in like profits at stake in being on fresh and fit. They just want to be seen.

Which is wild. They want a girl who's going to say something that it sounds like she's never been on the internet before so that they can just throw all these easy arguments at her and just baffle her. Dude, listen to this. Last night, I went on that podcast, whatever, you know, the one I'm talking about? I might go tomorrow. They're over there in Santa Barbara. First of all, they were so kooky.

They were like those fake science evolutionary biologists talking about, like, dating and saying that like it's biologically fine for men to, resources and women shouldn't cheat because it's different for them. Yeah, basically what they were saying is just like the more men that you sleep with as a woman, like the more unlikely it is for you to have a successful marriage, which I don't care. Who cares? I don't care. But yeah, there was this girl on there.

She was like an 18-year-old college student had nothing to gain from this. But immediately when the podcast started, she was like, yeah, I'm sleeping with five guys and none of them know. I have a question like with you guys Does dating feel kind of odd Because on average You're not really running into guys who have as much money as you Unless you're like going out of your way to kick it with like rappers or actors or whatever I don't think I've ever dated somebody with as much money as I have right now

But it is kind of odd like I feel like it used to I'm sorry I'm sorry I feel like it is kind of odd like because back in the day when I was like waiting tables and shit like that. Pretty much everybody that I would date would have a similar level of income to mine, so there's no power dynamic. But now, you know, I feel like I have to navigate things a little bit more mindfully. Wait,

you have too much power over the guys. Yeah, what do you know when you say that? I don't like have, I don't like a power imbalance. This is like a, the streamers fucking their fans conversation, except you guys are porn stars.

That's a lot of personal responsibility you're giving yourself there. To mankind as a whole. Like, they're all like you're subservient to you. Somebody I was dating a little bit ago, like, had like some serious student loans problems. And I was just like, can I just pay them? And they were like, no. Wow.

Yeah. Because it would have been a big power dynamic in our relationship. Yeah. And you do see a lot of OnlyFans girls dating sort of weird beta guys that just don't seem like they put up a fight about much or don't have like much ground to stand on because the girl's just paying for everything. I like to date someone who's responsible for themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Autonomous entities.

I like to be daddy and pay for lots of really nice dates and stuff like that, but I like someone who at the end of day is going to take care of their own shit. Paying for dates is nice, but you don't want somebody that's like financially dependent on you to fucking survive. Exactly. And since I've started doing OnlyFans, I have had relationships where I'm the only redwinner in the relationship and am taking care of that person's entire life. That seems like it probably won't work out well in the long run. Is that your experience?

Yeah. That's why they're exes. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be kind of hard for a dude to be in that role, I would think. Yeah. It is really hard. That's why even in relationships, this is an interesting state, even in relationships where women earn most of the money, they still do most of the housework, too.

Really? Which is really weird, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense for me because I have no fucking clue what to do housewise unless she is literally just telling me to do it, yeah. Dude, okay, I blasted off on DMT this weekend, first of all. Awesome. That's cool. Fuck, yeah.

This will come back. But I fully understand all the mechanical elves. Saw the mechanical elves. Understand that I'm an eagleist, like, non-time-fearing being, obviously. But my biggest realization coming out of it is that I am, as I said, I'm 29. I have tits now. I'm like, I am mommy. I am no longer baby.

And I feel very powerful in that understanding. So the new boobs made you feel powerful. I like that. For sure. You look a little more powerful now. Yeah. You know, I'm sitting a little different. You should tuck them in just a tiny bit even.

No way. They're pretty big. Why would you get big boobs, just haven't tucked in all the time? Come on. No, it's just a, maybe a sliver of a nipple. I'm trying to protect y'all's podcast. But yeah, I don't know. I think since this weekend, I've been thinking a lot about this, like, sociobiological notion that men are attracted to younger, like, innocent, like, helpless girls. And, like, I think that that's really predominates what we see in porn.

and I think it predominates how mainstream companies like continue to be run and how agencies continue to be run. And personally, I think it's a lot of like cultural nonsense because I'm like, mommies are hot, mommies are fertile, mommies are taking care of their business. But a lot of the biggest girls are like the Angela White's and the shirt of those and the chicks who are like well into their career. I feel like Milfs is almost like a bigger genre than it's ever been. Although there's always going to be that thing in porn where it's like a girl's first scene. or like check out this chick who looks like she's 19 or is 19. But I feel like if anything,

OnlyFans has shown us that there's a big ass market for women well into their 30s and 40s, right? Yeah. Or even in that weird, liminal, like, I don't know if you're a teen or a mom space too. Like, just normal girls in their 20s type of shit. A girl could definitely be like a teen and then a milf, like a year apart in form.

Like it's nothing. There's no in between. She gains 20 pounds, boom. Wait a second. Hold on. This is really important. I have really strong feelings about this. Oh, tell us.

What does a milf mean to you? Well, in a porn sense, it's just an older woman, you know? Like, if she's 19 and she doesn't look like she had a kid, she's not a fucking milf, even if she's got to have two kids. You all agree with that? I think you've got to have boobs. Boots is a big part of it for sure, yeah. You got to have boobs.

Can't look like a teenager. Don't necessarily have to have a kid for real. 90s-style breast implants are a big part of it, I think. Yeah, 90 stuff. It must be at least 30 years old to be in your milf era. I got a big argument on my stream where we were split down the middle. This is a year ago, I think. But yeah, because it sounds weird, but I don't think being a milf has anything to do with having a kid.

And some people were arguing, well, no, you could be a milf at 19. I'm like, no, you can't. I mean, if I was a civilian and there was a chick and she was 19 and, let's say, I'm in 19. So this sounds less creepy. But she had a kid. Is she a milf? I guess I would, like, say that. I would be kind of joking around.

but like when we use it, we're pretty much talking about like a porn category. That's so true. I think that how I thought of a milf before versus how I think of a milf now, it's like a porn category now. But whenever I was not doing porn, it was just a hot girl with a child. Well, you would say like a 20-year-old, even in a civilian sense. Was it a milf if they had a kid? Maybe it was a joke.

Yeah, kind of joking, though. I mean, but like the whole term, milf at that point was a hilarious joke to me. Okay. It was like one joke that everybody just really agreed on when it was an American pie, right? I don't know. That's where I remember it coming from. I remember watching, I think it was that? Was it American Pie?

Was it Super Bad? I think it was American Pie. I just remember thinking it was the funniest fucking thing in the world. And then soon after realizing that everybody else, my age, thought that that was the funniest thing in the world too. Nice. God, I had a 22-year-old girl. I was like, she hasn't seen Super Bad before.

I was like, we have to watch this movie. It's like essential American programming. And I didn't realize until I re-watched it with it. I was like, this is very much for men. I wish she thought it was stupid as fuck. Nice. Because I'm dying in like the, like the penis drawing fucking, and I'm like, this is the funny shit of the world.

And she's just sitting there. But a girl couldn't laugh at that? It's funny. That's funny to me. It might have been an age thing. It might have been a guy thing. I don't know, but yeah. After you, have you been in an open relationship before?

You are right now. He is right now. And it's your first one. Good news for you guys. Yeah, good one. Nice. Yeah, but he's in an open relationship, but whenever I say anything about hooking him up with girls,

he, like, rejects it on camera. And I don't know if it's, like, performative or if he's just being a little bashful. Well, I don't need you to fucking feed me women. I know you don't need it. Also, I don't know if it's like, oh, like, I have to fuck you because Adam is like telling you to and there's like some weird fucking dynamic of like, I don't know what you guys write there.

I don't think they take my guidance on their sex partners that seriously. Like I'm sure they're like at least open to ideas that I throw at them, but I don't think they're like really. Adam's not going to have you on no jumper again unless you fuck me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Jesus. Wait, are these the same, too, that you sent me that message?

Yeah, at the porn party, yeah. Oh. Okay, gotcha. You texted him after you sent his... Yeah, it was like, these two Antifa chicks. But when Richard Spencer was here, I didn't want to say, call them Antifa chicks because I thought that he would get, like, genuinely nervous. Oh, yeah.

But they have bike locks out in the... Yeah, because I'm sure that that word goes sparks him. I'm ready to hit him with, like, a bag full of soap or something like that. Jesus. Oh, I would love to live in a parallel dimension where you guys thought Richard Spencer was really hard. hot and you like hate fuck them at the motel six down the street that's funny um i have another uh porn related question what are what are you all's thoughts on the AI porn like with girls faces

okay the deep fake porn i think creating it and selling it is clearly unethical the one thing that i i'm a little wishy-washy is on is like i mean jerking off to anything in the privacy of your own home that doesn't harm anyone like why would you feel bad about that but i do feel like the who created it is clearly crossing some kind of lines that maybe we haven't clearly delineated yet, but we probably should. What degree of harm is it to a person? If nobody knows that you're looking at it, though, it would seem to me that there's no harm for the consumer.

No harm for the individual consumer to watch it. Even though you as the consumer are incentivizing the creator. I don't even know how I necessarily feel about the person creating it and whether that's a genuinely harmful act. I don't think it's bad unless people think it's real. and then I think it's an issue. But have you seen how upset some of these female creators get over it?

Because once you see them crying their eyes out, it is kind of hard to be like, oh, well, deal with it. What are your thoughts on it? It's a really complicated question. I know. That's why I asked it. There's a whole discussion about, like, identity and robots assuming your identity and doppel gangers and stuff that I think you can explore.

I think there's a lot of interesting stuff to explore there. The way that I'm going to go down another route. I'm going to actually get very red pill here. It's going to sound a little bit weird. But I feel like traditionally in society, I think men are seekers for sex and women are givers for sex, like in a very broad sense. And generally, I think it's an alien feeling for a guy to feel like you're losing out ever on a sexual interaction. So like my inner MRA, my inner men's rights guy will be like, yeah, women can rape men. But I think that biologically there's a different feeling.

If you wake up and a girl that you don't want to fuck is like riding your dick, she can. got you hard red. It's like, this is annoying and dumb and whatever, but like, I don't know if most guys would care that much. They're like, oh, it kind of sucks or whatever. But I think for a woman to take something in her body, it's a way more internal process, and it feels like you're giving something

sexually, whereas a guy is always taking something. I'm being very general, but I think in a very broad sense, that's how we view sexual interactions. So when you look at deepfakes, I feel like the issue that women have are sex is something that I have, and I'm only

doling this out to guys that I think are worthy to have it, that I want to have it. And with deepfakes, you found a way to short circuit that process and you are taking from me something that I absolutely do not want to fucking give you. And I think that's why it feels so traumatizing for some women where they view like whole

porn of them fucking. And it's like, I didn't want to have anybody have that. Whereas for most men, if you ask them, unless it's literally like them getting fucked in the ass, even at that, they might just like laugh at it. That's kind of weird and dumb and move on from it. So you feel like it's emotionally replicating sexual assault for someone to create deep fake porn of a girl who doesn't do porn.

Yeah, I don't know if I'd say sexual assault, but it's more just like it feels like I've found a way to get something from a girl. Like imagine, like if I, imagine for a girl, I had a magical spell. I guess that's why people want it too, right? Yeah, exactly, it is. Nobody could create a deep fake porn of you that would bother you, right? I don't think so. Right.

It's just, and I feel like almost every guy in here, they might be kind of baffled by it, but I don't think anybody would really be bothered by it. I mean, at the end of the day, it's not my body, you know? Yeah, but I think at the, I don't think, it has to do with that. I think it has to you at the end of the day, you don't care ever if people are jerking off to you. I feel like you might have different feelings about this than the regular person because there's actual porn of you on the other. I'm the only person that they would never bother to create fake porn because they could just use real porn.

Although they might make it with like a guy with less body fat or something, which would be understandable. Sure. But even so as a guy, as a guy, I don't think you care ever if people are getting off to you. No, no. It would be very easy for me. For women, if you're not presenting yourself in a sexual way and people are getting off to you, I think you, I think you feel a little bit bothered by that. Because think about like nudity and porn, like the average woman goes through her entire life guarding her nipples.

Like it is the queen's jewels. Like it's like somebody like Beyonce, who's, her entire career, it's been like a war. She's wearing these different outfits that show her in various stages undress, but she's always protecting the nipples in the vagina.

Like a proper woman can never show that to the world. And somebody like Pokemon's clearly not interested in having that kind of thing. out there about her so I can understand why she gets so upset about somebody circumventing and creating it out of nothing. Or even if they're not circumventing, even guys, like, if these creators find out that guys are jerking off to even their

innocuous pictures, it still feels a little violating, I think, to some women. Yeah. Or yeah, like, when guys will, like, jerk off on a picture of a girl and send it to them. That feels very violated to them. Well, that's a whole other different thing. That's fucking weird. But women say that... That was kind of entertaining to me. I'm not going to laugh. I've seen a lot of women deeply upset over it, and it is kind of weird, but you think about it.

I mean, like, I can understand what they don't want to see and why they consider it kind of threatening, but it is kind of weird because it's... I think it's because it's the giving-taking thing. Like, women generally view is, like, giving. Like, if you're getting sexual pleasure for me, it's because I've deemed you worthy to have it, so I'm going to give it to you.

And if somebody's found a way to short-circuit that process and get it without you wanting to give it, it feels like very violating. But, again, I think that's only a woman feeling because guys don't generally view it that way. I don't know if that's a biological thing, or if that's, like, a script-based thing, though, because, like, I mean,

as someone who makes porn, like, if someone made fake porn of me, even though I'm a woman, like I wouldn't feel violated by it because my cultural script is that I don't care if people are sexualizing me, but most women do follow that. When I say biologically, what I really mean is the biological

roles that we have a sign. Like in another world where men were like very guarded and acted safe or whatever and women were like trying to jump men all the time and fuck him or whatever, then it might be opposite. Where if a guy saw a deep fake point, he's like, no, I didn't want you to be able to see my dick that way. So it's like a cultural gender thing.

It's like a biology thing. Yeah. I just mean it's more like a like a second. role-driven differences. But I mean, you could inhabit different roles. To be honest, I think you've changed the way that I feel about this. Why? Did you not care at all before?

Not really. I don't care personally. But now I kind of care. I actually, I don't think women should care either. So I don't, if I change your view, I change you to something, I don't believe. And fuck the women that care about that. Because I hate all them. No, I'm just kidding.

I do feel like I relate in a sense because I have a lot of people catfishing with my image. And I get furious. It's like one of the only things that really like sends me over the edge. there's even like post in the no jump or Reddit about like people who think that they met me on dating apps and I'm like no yeah no for sure there was that one dude who edited pictures of both of us of him inserting his dick into us and we were both nude only fans but we were both very disturbed you know what actually that's true yeah there was a guy when I first started only fans who would send pictures to my only fans DM of like himself edited like having sex with us and at that point in time I was like no I don't like that also his like photoshopping was off and it was just like very uncanny valley like this looks like an alien fucking I don't know. There's another thing that gets, I haven't smoked enough for this, but I'll give it to you too,

okay? Oh, you're high. You're going to entertain. Let's go. No, no, no, I'm not high. Fuck you. He's high. Not even close.

If I was high, I would be saying like this. There's an interesting idea about what is your identity as a person and where does that identity exist? And I think there's a strong argument to be made that. your identity partially exists in you, but it's mainly sharded between all the other people in society that...

It's sharting. There are shards of your identity exist in like every person that perceives you. So like here's like an interesting question I get asked. Let's say that I get you to consent to having sex with me tomorrow.

Okay? And we have the conversation... No on. But I give you a pill. Say I give you a pill and I wipe your fucking memory of it. And then tomorrow I fuck you and you're not even...

And it's basically rape, right? But what if I showed you a video of you consenting it prior and you're like, oh, well, does it become okay? Probably wouldn't be, right? Because part of what forms your identity are like things you've done, memories you have, perceptions of other people around you, all of these things form identity. So getting through that. I feel like this is a little bit hard for me to conceptualize because there's not a lot of scenarios in which I would agree to having sex with someone one day that the next day,

if there wasn't something insane that happened between those two days. Sure, but it would still be, it'd be different if you would agree. Well, like, for instance, let's say I say, like, do you want to do LSD tomorrow and you say yes. I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. Because memory is part of your identity too. But going forward to that, to the deep fake thing, it sounds ridiculous to say. And I think women have a hard time putting into words, but there is a feeling of rape when

I can give a whole bunch of people the impression that you've performed a sex act that you would have never wanted to ever. Yeah. And I can show like a realistic video of you doing that because it's a feeling of like your identity is almost being threatened by this doppelganger thing. that's taken over you and is now doing things that you never wanted to with your body. It's like manipulating others' perception of you

without your consent. And I think it's really scary too. I think it's scary when a robot does it because it doesn't have an identity beforehand before it assumes yours. So like, for instance, if I made deep fake porn of you guys but I did it with like actors as like a parody, it would be funny.

You would laugh. Even if they were twin siblings, it would be funny because they're humans that have their own identity. But for robots to do it, it feels so fucking weird that a thing can be nothing and then become you

and then create like a history of you. that you never wanted to create it. Why robots? Do you mean like AI programming? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay, yeah. All right, here's a question I want to throw out there.

The Red Pill community would tell us that you guys are currently having a horrible time on the dating market because your value has been massively lowered as a result of your careers. What's it actually feel like out there? How often do you meet a guy who's like clearly not into the only fan's saying? I don't know. You guys even meet guys or you just full diced out at this point? I don't want to give away your seat. speakers or anything. No, I see guys.

But I feel like I'm right now, just because I'm happier in my own shoes now than I really ever have been. I'm dating cool, nice, interesting, open-minded people. And I'm as happy in the dating market as I ever have been. Are you dating the guy seeing you at the party with the other day? Which guy? I don't know. He didn't say a fucking word the whole time.

Oh, no, no. We're not dating. Oh, okay. Because she shows up. That's a friend of mine, though. They're awesome. She shows up, like, fucking naked to this party. and she's just wearing like little chains and like a G string.

And her fucking BBL, you might not be able to tell right now, it's out of control. Her ass is fucking in your face. It's like a monster movie, dude. And like everybody, like my girl included is just losing their mind over how good her ass looks. I love her. And then there's just this guy that she brings with that's just standing there like the whole time. Not like expressionless.

And I was like, is this her boyfriend? Like, what was this guy doing here? And they're also wearing medieval garb. They were tabling also. That person rules. Yeah. And they were on a lot of cadmine. Oh, no.

Yeah, actually, that was the vibe. That was the vibe. Don't say that on the podcast. We didn't see their name. I just did. Yeah, she did. Maybe they're really good. If I mean, edit it out, that would be sick.

But if we edit it out, I'll tell an even crazier story. Sure, yeah. Okay, so there's this catfish that's been going around on fucking telegram messaging me. First of all is Angela White, which I fell for it, and I'm embarrassed, but it's fine. I didn't get scammed out of any money. You just talked to him for a while? Yeah, you know. And then this other person messaged me

a video of someone snorting ketamine off of someone else's balls and was like, oops, sorry, I didn't mean to send that to you. And I knew the person that it was. And I was like, oh, shit. I was like, what's going on here? So they were trying to scam me with a video they had gotten of this person doing...

Their response, also after that, was also like, sorry your own video. I don't do drugs. You guys doing ketamine? out there in these streets? No. I don't know what that is. Oh, to be young. But I did blast off on DMG this week.

And I won't take that. But yeah, I feel like my dating life is sick. I think that there was a lot of growing pains when I got into the industry and a lot of things changed in my life because I don't, I think it takes a certain type of person to date someone who's making a massive amount of porn with a ton of different people.

and I don't have any judgment for people who don't want to be in a relationship like that. But now I only am, you know, going on dates and whatnot with people who are okay with that. Depending on who you are, that probably filters out a lot of guys. You probably wouldn't be interested in. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like a very strong filter. Yeah. I've been, I don't know, yeah, everything's been happening all at once.

So dating in L.A. in general is just kind of weird and has definitely given me some trust issues. I think that that would have happened whether or not I was in porn. But it's kind of affected. Like, I do sometimes feel like guys kind of want to just, like, taste it, and then they're, like, good. And I don't even know if they know that, but they're like, oh, this girl's hot and she does porn. Like, I want to fuck. And I, sometimes I catch feelings, and that's where I, that's where the danger zone is. So now I just kind of, like, I think I just like taking things really slow.

But other than that, I mean, I'm having a great time. Yeah, do you think there's value in making a dude wait to fuck, or are you just going for it? It depends. It depends on the situation, I think. I'm a fuck first kind of a person, but just with the way things have been going in my life, I've been kind of reconsidering that. I think there's huge value in waiting. Interesting. I do like waiting for like different, like, emotional landmarks, but I don't really like having sex be used as a tool for that, personally. Throughout my life when I was single, there was many different times where really smart chicks would just be dragging me along. And like every time we would hang out, they would let me do a little bit more sexually. And it really just kept me in their fucking web for like weeks. And it's not like I ended up like seriously dating them because of it necessarily.

But they definitely kept me around long enough where I wasn't just going to fuck them and dip because they kind of forced me to really like get to know them as a person. So even as somebody who was pretty much like 100% geared towards sex at that time in my life and wasn't really thinking about relationships, their chance of like getting me to take them serious, I think was probably a lot better. I would definitely advise girls not to, even though it is kind of hard to square that with the fact that I also would like encourage girls to just be sexually free, be responsible about it and do whatever the fuck you want to do. But if you are interested in romance, I do think that like holding out is pretty much like the best, it's the best tool you have to get a guy to like really take you serious. When I'm interested in someone, I'll usually wait until like second date, probably. Second date. I think that's reasonable. The problem is you don't have to hold out.

If it's the one that you're going to be dating or whatever, it's fine, I think, to fuck immediately. The problem is that if you're trying to pursue something more serious, guys will say whatever the fuck to get pussy. Yeah. And so, like, if you're giving it up on the first date, like, he might stay around for a little bit for sex, but then he's gone and you have no idea. Whereas for a lot of guys, he's like, hey, I don't fuck on the first second or third date. a lot of fuck boys are just gone immediately because they're like, oh, I'm not going to waste my time with this fucking bullshit. Interesting.

Yeah, I feel like it sucks having to play games and wait, especially if it's a guy you like, because you probably do want to fuck pretty quick, which is like, I think pretty normal. Yeah. But if the guy's not willing to wait, and then on the guy side, like, if you like a girl and you're trying to date or like,

it's okay to wait until the third or fourth or fifth day, like it's not like she's fucking going anywhere. Yeah, fuck it. If there was a girl I liked and she wanted me to wait until any number of dates, I'd be like, okay, let's just keep hanging out. It's also like, and it's funny because this will be like the opposite of Red Pill advice, but if you really want to fuck with a girl, if you really like her a lot, if you end the night and you like drive her home and say goodbye and you dip and you don't try

to make any moves at all, it drives her interest in you up because if you can be patient. It's a lot of mystique. Absolutely. And the girl's expecting to like have to fucking fight off the guy and blah, blah, blah, and you're like, hey, it was a fun night, I'll see you tomorrow or whatever. And then you like bounce. It helps you a lot, I think, in the standing of that girl that's like for something more serious. I'm kind of giving fuckboy tips. Not that I would say you should do that just to be a fuck boy, but it's good.

A point tip of don't have sex with a girl on the first date. On the first date, yeah, because by the second date, they're going to absolutely want it because they're like, oh, cool, he's like patient, he's kind. He's like, he's being like more respectful. I'm going to fuck this dude. And you're like, now I got you. See you later, bitch. I remember I hung out with this.

I'm saying, don't do that. I hung out with this girl one time. And she was really hot, but her personality was fucking horrible. And it was almost like she knew that because she like told me within the context of our first dinner that she would not fuck a guy unless they had hung out 30 times. 30? Oh. 30?

And I... Are you talking like 30 games of Overwatch? It's like a year. No, like 30 fucking separate evenings of hanging out. And I was dumbfounded and couldn't believe it. Immediately I knew I'm never going to fuck you because there's no way I'm hanging out. You're like even close to that many times. But I will say that we then ended up in my bed back in my house and we were kind of in like a spooning position.

And she actually hit me with the behind the back jerk off. Like jerked me off onto her back behind her back, blind. Wait. She couldn't even pick my dick out of a line up. The first time we hung out. But apparently sex would have took 30. It definitely made me wonder like how serious she was about the 30 number anyway. I really can't be serious.

Who has that much self-control? If you were really getting along that good, like I could see you wait in a week, but 30 fucking hang out? I think it's just a good backflips on the dick. If on the first date is she, you know, church you up a lot. It gets a lot of like dumb fucks away from me, I think it's a woman. Like there's a lot of, I think half the girls that I fucked in California on Tinder had like not. interested in hooking up in their profile. Interesting.

Like, girls just write shit like that because I think they're trying to like weed out like the super fuck boy people. You guys are on these apps? No, I don't use Davey apps anymore. I do when I get sad. I'm not going to lie. That means you don't actually mean anybody. You just swipe on them, chat with them and fucking turn it off.

I did that recently. I'm not going to lie. Wow. Sometimes I do meet up though. I feel like I meet a lot of people that I have things in common with in regular life. Fisting, Antifa. You know what? I did recently meet a girl at the time of Finland,

foundation. So I would say we probably have fisting in common. She's meeting girls. Oh, okay. Yeah, I date more women than I do men. I date men as well. Do you feel like that's a turnoff to your male fans, though? Because not you, but there's another girl that I keep mentioning on the podcast that is hot as fuck.

She's a full-blown lesbian in private. She's like, fuck me on camera and made it look great. But I know for a fact that she wants nothing to do with penis in her life. And I feel like I don't want to tell the fans who this person is because I don't want them to like, you know, I don't want to poke holes and whatever fantasy she's creating or anything.

Interesting. I think that if I was a lesbian, that my fans would not enjoy that. Right. I don't think guys would ever care because guys will never believe you. That you're a lesbian? There's no such thing as lesbians. Just girls that haven't had the right thing yet. That's what most guys think.

You know what? As someone who used to only date women, you're right. Well, guys don't. Oh, no. I'm right about the guys. Not about that there are no real lesbians. No, no, no, no, no. There are real lesbians.

but I think that a lot of guys perceived me that way when I was only dating women. If you took like an average guy and you were like, listen, I hate to break this to you, but your girlfriend cheated on you. He's like, oh no. And then you're like, with another girl. It's not even like a real thing at that point.

They're like, oh, give me the fucking video. Because they don't see girls as threatening. They don't even believe. I feel like there is a good percentage of dudes who would be angry about it. I've seen that. No, really? Yeah, yeah.

Dudes are possessive enough to like really give a fuck for sure. Oh, damn. Okay. But that's kind of like the American like default in relationships, I think is to be like ridiculously jealous of your significant other... Yeah. Well, hold on.

You say American default. I'm pretty sure there are countries where they fucking bury women up to their next has stolen them to death. I don't know what the fuck they're doing in other countries. I'm just saying that like, I feel like the average person in a relationship, let's just say in their early 20s,

there's like some massive level of jealousy and weird envy of them, you know, being at work with dudes or whatever. Like I feel like that's super fucking common. And that's one thing I can say about porn is it really kind of helps you to unlearn that once like everybody in your social circle is fucking each other. Yeah, you learn that jealousy and horniness are like super close cousins.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel comfortable with the fact that I've eaten both of their asses? Sure. On camera. Does that change things? Does it for you? Are you thinking about it right now?

No. I kind of think about it every time. What do you think it was came? Good. I don't know. I mean, I just like wonder like how that hits for him since like in our red pill world, we're supposed to really, really care about people. past sexual partners.

Does it bother you that I've made deep fakes of you guys 6090? No. I'd actually love to see it. So the deep fake version of Adam can say the Efsler because we've done like that. There you go.

He's got more freedom of speech than you do. I like that. You love that right now. I just wanted to bring up the fact that I eat their asses on the podcast. Oh, good job.

Your fans are super impressed now. Was it pre or post BBL? Post. Post. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, but. Obviously.

If we want to talk about like good foreplay, though, is like I was taking photos of her and Emma in this case and my girl together for like, I don't know, 20 minutes of them just like posing together and stuff. And by the end of it, I felt like quite clearly the skin on my penis was not enough to hold the amount of blood that was rushing to. Like I was so fucking turned on by the time we actually started fucking that it was like bad. Actually, I think I did pretty good. You know it was a good threesome. Yeah.

It was a great day. I was floating. Nice. I'm impressed. Anyway, the other thing I wanted to mention, too, is I just interviewed Violet Myers, another adult star. And she said, because she's done multiple fuck a fan contest. And it seems as if she's kind of batten like zero. Like the vast majority of them, like won't get hard, won't be able to get hard, won't be able to finish.

Like, as soon as the camera goes on, they can't do it. They back out of the last minute. They won't get tested. That's a lot of pressure. That's crazy. To fuck Violet Myers. To fuck like a girl that is like larger than life to you. I understand why, but it also kind of makes you think about like what percentage of guys would be able to do that.

She's saying that these guys who won the fucking contests weren't able to do it. I don't know what the contest consisted of. Because from what I've heard, her contests have like, she like confirms that they're following her everywhere. It's just like a, it's like a bunch of like filters to make sure they're actually a big fan of hers, which. The performance though. I've thought about doing a contest like this as well. I mean, it seems fun. But it's hard for, they're not porn stars though.

Yeah. And that's a lot of pressure. There can be a lot of pressure sometimes. And your dick is very, like, he's either there or he's not. He's kind of got a reminder of his own. Many porn stars are not immune from this as well. Somebody who's shot a lot of content with other guys, like me directing them or whatever. It's hard.

The percentage of them who have a hard time, staying hard at some point during the scene is huge. It's like, it would appear it's much more. You think you could do porn? You think you could actually deliver or you think that you'd get serious praise? There are phases of my life where I'm fucking, like, as soon as my pants are off and the girl's naked, I'm like, it's like Viagra dick. But then there have been like, I remember in my mid-20s, I had one interaction with a girl,

for whatever reason I just, I didn't get hard the first time we fuck. I was like, oh, that's kind of weird or whatever. But then something catastrophic happened where for like the next year of my life, every time I hooked up with a girl for the first time, in my mind I was thinking like, oh man, I didn't get hard the first time I hooked up with that one, and then I didn't.

And there's this really scary feeling where, you must feel this. Boners are very mental. Like, even if it's like the same blood flow, whatever, like you have a different feeling. There are different types of erections you get as a guy. Actually, I think women could feel it sometimes because there are times when like you're throbbing and pulsing

and the blood is there and the woman's like, oh, you're so fucking hard. And there's other times, he's like, he's hard. He's barely hanging on. And I have to try really hard right now to keep this guy in the right state. But the scariest thing is a guy, I think, at least for me, is like, for whatever reason... You have to curate the erection as a girl. Yeah, for whatever

reason, if you start to lose it, you get in like this really self-destructive thought loop. It's like, oh, God, I'm going to see hard. It's not going to say it. And then you mind fuck yourself. I was like, I need like a 30 minute break because I was fucking out of it. I deal with a lot of guys mind fucking themselves in porn because I'll go too hard riding dick or something and they're about to come and they're like, oh my God, I have to put

myself into a thought that's going to prevent me from coming and they'll think about something horrible. They're like my grandma's teeth on my dick. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's hard to kind of bounce back from that for sure. Yeah. That's a real thing. No, I mean, I've never said this on the podcast, but I guess I'm not embarrassed since it

was like 20 years ago. But when I lost my virginity, I think I was running into a problem because the girl lost my virginity too. I was like way less attracted to than the girl that I was dating all throughout high school who would never let me fuck. We did everything besides fuck for like a year and a half, two years while we were dating. And then she never let me fuck. We break up. And then I start seeing this other girl. And to be honest, like connection wise, it was just like night and day.

Like I wanted to fuck her. I thought she was kind of hot. but the vibes were just not even close. And so the first time we tried to do it, I couldn't get hard. And so then like a couple different, maybe at least five or six times after that, like I had a really hard time getting hard. Like once you get it into your head,

it is really fucking easy to, to like not be able to do it. And that's why like one time on Plug Talk, oh, actually no, I've never had the problem of not being able to get hard on Plug Talk. I've just had the problem of coming too fast. Oh no, I had one time where I had a hard time getting hard. And it was like, there's two different horrors going on.

It's the fact that like, oh my God, I might be the one fucking up this set. Everybody would be able to leave right now if it wasn't for me. But then also, like, the next time I do this, this is all I'm going to be able to think about. And that's going to be fucking tough. I had a fucking lady. Me and Molina met this woman. She was in town. We went out to dinner for the first time and we were going to fuck afterwards.

And she made this fucking joke. This motherfucker. She made this joke where she was like, oh, yeah, this is going to be so much fun. Like, it sucks because the last time I did this with a guy, he couldn't get hard. And I, the whole time, as soon as we can hope, I'm thinking the whole time, like, oh my God, that's going to be me. That's going to be. And guess what? It was me.

Really? I was like, oh, fuck, I'm only thinking about this guy. And now I'm going to be the next one in her fucking story. Fuck me. What a horrible. A friend of mine told me recently, a friend of mine who does porn and as a guy told me that every male performer I've ever worked with uses Seattle or Viagra. Yeah, pretty close. Did you use Sayylaiore?

I haven't gotten into it. Thank fucking God. I'm still riding off my high testosterone levels, but I don't, I feel like so many of the dudes are so consistently relying on it, which kind of like blows my mind because to me it's like, yeah, there's cameras around and stuff,

but at the end of the day, like, I'm trying to fuck. Like, if I was just a civilian, I'd be trying to fuck a couple times a day. So, like, why do I need a drug to do that? And I also at this point in my life, too, it's like my same mentality with like pre-workout. It's like, I have, like, somebody sent me a bunch of pre-workout in the mail

and I asked my, my homie who's, like, really into bodybuilding, like, should I take it? He's like, don't take it because you're just going to have to quit it sooner or later. And I was like, oh, yeah, right. Like, it wouldn't be worth it for me to do porn if I had to fucking take drugs every time, I don't think. Interesting. I can't.

Nothing more respectful. I don't really have many opinions on it because I don't have a dick. So I don't know what it would be like to feel like you would need. And like, you do, like, content, but, like, porn stars are, like, in that thing every day. Yeah. I feel, I feel like it would be really difficult to do a scene with someone that you're less attracted to. I need a little A bit of an assist

I feel like most porn is somebody At least like reasonably attractive Like are they really hideous women You have to fuck in porn I don't know everybody has a type I don't think that there's hideous I've never met a woman in porn That I'm like that person is hideous

What if you're on set And her vagina stinks to the high heavens Do you really have to Have you ever gone through that? Yes I've done it before Yeah it's like If it was real life

I would have fucking ram You're digging out of those Like it's not the kind of thing I would have tolerated in real life. No, in real life, I would have told her to go see her OBGYN. Because there's clearly some kind of infection going on here. But, you know, I'm on camera. I just got to thug it out.

I don't want to fucking... What do you guys think about to kill your boners? Like Abe Simpson naked? But like, because that's like a little bit less offensive than like a real naked dude. Oh, sorry, I was thinking of Abraham Lincoln. No, yeah, that would work. No, Abe Simpson from the Simpsons. Like, somehow, like, him naked seems like a little bit less gross than like a real

naked dude. Well, usually I'll go through phase. I'll try to think about, like, grass. or I think about like a person playing golf. Like that to me is like... Something inoffensive? Yeah, it's like one of the most boring things I could imagine is like watching somebody play golf.

I see, I see. That makes a lot more sense because I think that some guys take it too far and think about something horrible. Well, look at the ceiling. I'll just look at the whiteness of the ceiling, you know? That's inherently not sexy. The ceiling?

There's nothing to it. Yeah. I've heard, I said this the other day, but I've heard multiple male pornsters say that they can always find something about the girl to be attracted to. Interesting. And I've been there where it's like you're just really not into any of it.

But then like once she's bent over in doggy style, her ass cheek just looks pretty good. And you just like stare at that one part of her that like kind of looks good. Or her hair, her hair looks good. Yeah. I'm not trying to do it at all, but you have nice hair. So I'm just going to focus on that. All the porn I've made, I've been attracted to the person I made that porn with. Yeah.

Yeah. We all mostly do content trade though. So there's a little bit more choice in there. Yeah. Different vibes. You guys aren't going full studio porn stars yet? You seem like you probably are going to, right? Yeah.

We're going to do something. You're just not revealing it yet? I filmed my debut scene recently, but I... Oh, when did you film? I shan't... You sharded. No, I didn't. That's far.

That would be crazy debut. But, yeah, I filmed my... Couldn't put in the only fans. I filmed my debut recently, and I won't be saying which company is. with because it's a surprise. Wow. It's not hard to guess though. Don't say anything.

Prestige worldwide. It's world star. My world star porno? No, it's no jumper. We just have a full production porn. That's a pivot. Yeah, I'll probably do that under plug. Are you going political talk show or are you going?

Yeah, me and Resort Spencer have a weekly show coming out. We talk hip-hop and politics. It's called The Spue. It's a weekly show where you for, Morris Richard Spencer to freestyle every time. Yo, but it's funny because I was reading like a Vanity Fair little like article about him yesterday and like

they're just calling him a skunk of a man. Like they just like literally berate him in the article like in the way that you cannot imagine any publication talking about anybody else on earth besides him. That's really funny to me. Yeah, I bet these two eat it up. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, they're probably subscribed. Yeah, and our gas mask will just slurp it

down. Yeah, that's some teen Vogue shit, you know? Do you think that Richard Spencer isn't going to see this and be kind of like, maybe I could be an only fan's guy. Maybe, I don't know. What, just the twisted joke of it all?

There's got to be like some racial minorities with that fucking fettership, like some super racist slave driving man or whatever. There definitely is. I'm still thinking about the racist porn set I saw when I was in, like, when I was like 20. What was it?

That Nazi n-n-word hard-hard.com And it was just like, it was just white dudes banging black chicks and screaming the most. horrible things possible at him. Oh my God. And it was like a link that was just kind of going around on message boards and shit. Like can you fucking believe that this exists?

And I think I looked for it a couple years ago and I don't think it still exists. Interesting. I wonder if the people took it down. It's a wild URL down. Or the payment processors. Yeah, maybe. Or Go Daddy, the domain host or whatever, you know? Yeah.

They get you in all sorts of ways these days. Yeah. We should go see Keffels at the Recovery Center. I won that, by the way. What's the question here? You guys don't know who Keffels is? No, you're not really into it. But I did win, right?

She's literally in rehab for fucking cocaine. I'm retired, maybe. Did you call that out? No, but I said that the $100,000 she raised was probably bullshit. And now it all went to fucking the best blow I guess you can get in fucking. You're just assuming it went to Coke? Who is this person? It's this like very high profile like trans woman.

Activist. He's been, who's beefed with at times on. Oh, I think I've heard of this person. She's pretty big. I saw ContraPoint said that she's the best thing that ever happened to her. Yeah, because it took all the heat off ContraPoints. That was fucking hilarious. Okay, let's stop talking about our trans buddies.

Have we done what we needed to do here, or should we, anything else burning at the top of your mind that you want to say to this blue-haired guy before y'all hit the Motel 6? Just want to make sure you saw the boobs. I'm hyped. We've got to shoot together again now. I know, right? I am microplasma-free.

Congrats. Thank you very much. Wait, what does that mean? It's a whole thing. In the sex worker community, there's some weird bacteria going around. Wait, there's a new STAT, microplasma? Is that a new? Micoplasma.

What fuck is that? Oh, it's not micro, it's myco. It's micro. It's myco. Oh, shit. The why? Is that something I need to care about? No, unless you're fucking sex workers, probably.

Your only fans? Never mind. Yes. Okay. Potentially. I mean, I don't know what percentage of people got hit with it, but I had a little break there. What the fuck is this?

What is it? Is it permanent? I couldn't really tell you that much about it, but it's like a fucking bacterial infection that is very easy. It's easy to not see it. It doesn't show up on the normal test that porn stars do. And it's bad news and it feels weird. It's not bad for most people, but it's really bad for some people.

So most people don't have symptoms. But if you give it to someone who does, it's like it's worse like with sex workers like are we doing mycoplasma education on no drug burner? For some reason that's very funny. I do feel like Michael plasma is like a very like taboo thing to even talk about because it's like as sex workers, we don't. want fucking people to know that there's this weird thing out there. Kind of reminds me of HPV where like guys get it doesn't mean anything,

but you get like cervical cancer and shit. Yeah. The worst part too. He caused like PID and women. Like one of the main side effects for like pretty much all the STDs like gonorrhea, chlamydia, microplasma, whatever is that it makes me pee more. Which is massively inconvenient as a podcaster to be like genuinely wanting to piss every 40 minutes. You cut our Spencer Convo short earlier.

To piss? We went for two hours and 15 minutes, and then we came back and did another 40 minutes about God. Honestly, a lost opportunity to make some Richard Spencer piss porn. I can make myself piss no matter where I'm at right before the podcast. It's like my body is down to just like evacuate every last drop of urine out of my body because it knows that I have to go in here and try to sit down for as long as possible.

I don't have to pee right now. Okay. You don't have to yell it. I believe you do. But I want to tell you, usually, I notice in the morning, the amount of time I will need between pisses can sometimes be like an hour, hour and a half, whereas later in the day I can go like three hours.

Interesting. I find very interesting. I think a lot of it has to do with a coffee, even though I'm still drinking this late into the day here. Do you ever have that horrible problem where you wake up after like five hours? You want to go back to sleep, but you know if you get up to pee,

you're going to be too awake to go back to sleep. Does anybody else struggle with this? I think I've trained myself to be able to pee without really, like, titillating myself. And I kind of like keep my eyes closed. I don't turn the light off. I like keep myself sort of in that sleep state. hold the sleep as much as possible.

I would never look at my phone on a piss break. Because that'll wake me right to fucking. If you wake up and you ever look at your phone, it's over. You're never going back to sleep at that point. Last night my kid woke up one, well, like, I was in bed for like 20 minutes trying to fall asleep and then my kid shit all over herself in bed. So it was one of those

nights where I was like this massive fucking 20 minute emergency cleaning and all this poop on the ground. I got to clean the ground. I got to clean the ground. I don't have kids. I don't think I ever will. I was a nanny right after high school, and then I worked in, like, child care for a while,

and just the amount of poop that is involved with having a child around is crazy to me. I actually do think you should have kids. Just probably. I think I should have kids. Not until you're ready. Well, apparently you're aware about the poop, but, yeah. The poop, I think, is too much for me. I've never really felt super driven to have kids.

So I'm kind of just like, why not just travel the world for the rest of my life? But do you think that when you start to get closer to the point where you won't be able to have a kid, that you might feel some additional pressure? I don't know. I'm 30 and I've never felt super interested in having a kid. What if you meet? What if you're in a long-term relationship? You meet the guy tomorrow.

You're with him for eight years and your fertility doctor says you're 38. When you're 39, you're going to be able to have a kid. And this is the love of your life. And he's high value. He's high value. And he's a high-value man. His name is Myron. You know, I think that I would be more likely to adopt than push out a kid

if I later in life decided that it was something that I really wanted to do. Yeah, see, I'm never doing that. Why? Because it ain't even going to look like me. I think that made it more important to you than it would be to make you. It would be cool to take care of somebody else's kid, but I don't know. The kid looking just like you. That seems like a pretty big part of it.

Your kid is adorable. Thank you. And I don't know if I would think that if she didn't look exactly like me, right? Damn. I don't know. I mean, my dad got cucked, as you know. We look nothing alike. And he loved me.

It's because he's not your dad. That's why he loved me. Wait, what's happening? My dad got cucked. Yeah. Yeah. And he still loves me. I could love a random kid.

He doesn't look like you. Right. Because he's not your, he's a biological dad. Yeah. Yeah, like, I'm sure if I... Do you think he's ever going to see this? If I hung out with his kid 10 times, or even a couple times, I'm sure I would love the kid. I would be happy every time I see him, whatever.

But it's like a different level of connection when you share their fucking DNA, right? Maybe. I don't know, man. I don't know. I assume. I'm never like... Were you there when your kid was born? Yeah.

That's a crazy feeling. Yeah. That's got to be pretty intense. Oh, cool. There's a deer that comes out and he's like, holy shit. I was going to have nothing. to do with my kids' life because me and my ex fucking fought violently, hated

each other. I wasn't even supposed to be on the birth certificate and I was like, I'll show up because I, whatever, it seems like a cool thing to watch at least. Damn, as soon as he came out, I was like, that's my fucking dude. You've always been heartless, huh? No, because as soon as I had my baby, it was like my baby boy. Stone cold. Yeah, it was so cool. It's like, this is my kid, it's half me. Like, it feels, when you see

it in the flesh, it's like, and I can't imagine for the woman who's fucking had it in her belly for nine months. Well, and the crazy thing for me is not only am I seeing my child, but I'm also seeing like an eight inch wide, fucking hole cut in my girl's, you know, crotch area. And, like, I'm seeing her guts and her fucking... Did you? Yo, you know what they don't tell you?

Because in the movies and in the TV shows, always the baby come out, were you ready for the fucking placenta afterwards? Oh, yeah, yeah. They bring out the baby, and then they bring in this huge, fucking gray bin. And I'm like, are you going to scoop out a little bit more? And then out of her stomach, it's like fucking aliens. It's like, and I'm like, oh, God, she's dying. And that's just the placenta with her.

My girl was trying to gaslight me into eating hers. You know, what the fuck? You make food out of it or something shit. I worked on a farm for a while, and the woman who on the farm was like a midwife, and she had like a young child, and she kept her placenta powdered in capsules. Yeah, her little bit. And she would take that placenta capsules if she was feeling sick. Oh.

I'm very hesitant to ascribe, like, supernatural powers to the placenta, you know? I don't think it's just if you break it down, like, what nutrients are in it, it's extremely nutrient dense. Well, why don't they... That's true, but we have other things in society for that. It's called food. What the fuck do I need to eat? That would be like me jerking off and being like,

did I hit my protein goal today? Not yet. Like, I could take another scoop of way. You can all easily imagine you doing that. Jesus. But, yeah, I mean, if the placenta was such a great source of whatever, like why doesn't GNC have placenta pills that they synthesize in a fucking laugh? Because of people like you guys who are disturbed by like cool placenta.

No, but I think that the liver kings of the world would be happy to be eating placenta pills. Because that's kind of where the fitness and nutrition game has gone is like the more extreme. Like liver king convinced all of us that eating testicles and whatever is like a great idea, even though like almost nobody would agree that eating lots of raw liver is a great idea. Wasn't he like revealed to be on like a million steroids? No way. Yeah. No shot.

Another fitness influencer on gear? He sent me an apology. You? Well, because he sat right there on the podcast. and denied being on steroids for like 10 minutes. And like, I mean, it did kind of, once it was exposed. So sorry to the no jumper community. Well, to me.

No, just to me, really. I don't know. Maybe it was to the audience as well. But yeah, he was just kind of like, I was like, bro, it's cool. I don't give a fuck. Like, I mean, I'm believing in the first place. So it's all good.

Yeah, I don't know. But that is a big issue that you should draw attention to the same stream is how fucked up it is that we have so many conversations about women's bodies and not creating unrealistic beauty standards for young girls and stuff. And then meanwhile, We have The Rock who's like 55 years old and he is like the biggest, strongest dude ever. And if you compare it to him when he's 20, he looks like, you know, a child in comparison. He's like blatantly on a whole host of steroids.

And he has major corporations pushing his, him and his look and convincing all these young kids that this is like attainable through diet and exercise, which it's not. That's fuck. But I think that we have way different beauty standards in society that we can like operate in. I think that women have a way larger acceptance of male bodies than men do of female bodies. Like, I can, like, I'll get girls in my DMs or whatever, and I'll be like, oh, like, what are you into? And they're like, sucking dick with guys with dad bobs.

Or they'll say shit like this. They probably say shit like that. Yeah, or like me or fucking my wife. And I meant it. What I said. Yeah, Malina's like, when you're cuddling with me, I like to feel like your belly pushing against me. Like, okay, well, I feel like a fat fucking slob. And if you like, if you like, for women, like,

guys will do this thing. They're like, oh, yeah, guys have the same person that women. It's like, okay, well, let's go on Instagram. Who's getting surgeries? Who's using filters? Who's wearing makeup? Who's getting, like, lip filler? Like, it's not guys that are doing all these surgeries for the unreal.

It's fucking women that are, like, hardcore in these, like, very narrow places. So I do agree that- Pressure on women is way more urgent. It's insane. But we can't blame the Rock for wanting to do steroids, but we can blame it when every single fucking Marvel movie features a whole host of different dudes who are clearly doing lifelong damage to themselves. And, like, that fucking Indian guy that I can never remember his name, he's got this

crazy ass jaw on him now and shit because he's just doing hell of growth hormone. And it's like, this is being encouraged and like basically funded by these fucking giant billion dollar corporations. Like something has to happen sooner or later. That's all to say. There will be a lawsuit. There will be a reckoning. Not to do the whole fucking patriarchy shit, but like,

show up beige frequency has a video called Liver King is a symptom. You should go watch it. It'll convince you. Well, what do you think? Do you think that there would be a breaking point that would result in people no longer pushing unrealistic body expectations? It would be like a leak of text messages from like the CEO telling Duane the Rock Johnson what steroids to get onto or something. I think that for that to happen, there would have to be some like societal shift in which doing these extreme things to our bodies is no longer culturally rewarded.

So like whenever I got my BBL, like my life changed because people treat me differently. We have talked about this a little bit actually that people are just... I treat you different. People are just nicer to me since I got my BBL. I didn't know you before, but I'm sure I would have treated you. People are nicer to me. I make more money. You know, it's suddenly, like, people are way more friendly to me.

Like, even people that have, like, nothing to potentially gain from me. And so, you know, I think as long as our society is functioning like that, that women are going to continue to get plastic surgery. There's just so much money behind it. When it makes such a huge difference in your quality of life, why would you not? I still, I feel like both standards are pushed by the male gaze, I think. Yeah, for sure. Men want to see men that are fucking shredded like the rock, and men want to see women that are like,

fuck would be built. But like, if women were designing, like, the beauty standards, like, I just, it feels like men can inhabit so many different appearances and be okay. Yeah. But you go on these red pill shows and you'll see these guys like, oh, no, every woman wants like a six two chiseled chad with huge drivers. And there are some women that want that. But I think by and large, women have a way wider gamut of appearances that they'll accept.

As long as the guys like money or whatever, you know, like, there's a lot of things that guys can do it to like do okay. And I would also argue, that like when women are perceiving other women, women also have like a wider spectrum of what they think is beautiful in other women. Oh my God, you're so cute. Yeah.

Because I'm not so familiar. You're here girls just say that to each other all the fucking time. Yeah. Yeah. I say it every day to people who I think are cute. And it's something that would be completely inappropriate for me to say to any dude. It would be like the weirdest thing.

With that attitude. Yeah, definitely with my attitude. Not with that attitude. Bro, you're so cute. Yeah, but I could come. Let me get a kiss on the forehead, bro. Bro, you absolutely kill.