No Jumper - Devour on Catching a Body, Prison Time, Lush Calling him a Hood Hopper & More

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

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Yes, sir. Devour, man. What's the deal, bro? How you feeling? What's going on? She's good to be here, bro. Yeah. Yeah, we're on my outside, babies.

How are you feeling? No, I'm feeling good. It's nice to meet you, man. I'm glad they were getting to tap in. I was listening to the whole catalog and everything, listening to some clips, the interviews and stuff. So this is going to be a good conversation. And I know you cut throw, what's your thing about the music, bro? Like, most important, like, what's your thing, bro?

You got like, you know, the melodic thing, you kind of like a rasa, Polo G-G type thing. But I feel like you got like a little bit of a little bit of the music. like a 90s, like old school vibe, but then like not the whole way. I don't know, how do you describe it? I don't like to do that. I just let people do it. Okay.

That way I just pick, run with it. When I'm in the stool, know what to do, you feel me? Okay. Yeah. Well, where do you feel like your style originated from? Like what was it the pieces that kind of came together? I think just my older brothers, bro, you know? Like, well, I throw my sisters in there.

I come from a big ass family, bro. Like, yo, you're talking about Rasa, yeah. We deep as fuck over here. I got nine older brothers and five sisters. And I'm a baby and shit. So I feel like it's just generations of music, bro. Like my oldest brother, his era, his vibe is that Debbie Debb, like, look how weak is because. And then under him is just Les Zeppelin.

And then my brother under him is just a different type of music and shit. So I feel like when they finally got to me, it was just a fucking big ass bucket of all types of music, bro. I thought I was where all that shit came from him, you know? So I was like, man, what you think? Because you'll be outside with it, bro. Well, that's interesting you say that because I feel like one of the biggest problems in LA is that everybody just wants to be a Drake or the ruler, and that it sometimes feels like all these artists don't really, like,

have many other, like, influences that they're really drawing from. Like, maybe they listen to, like, some drill or this. Like, but they're not pulling from 20 or 30 years, like hip hop in the same way that, like, you know, back in the 90s or whatever, it just felt like you just had to, like, go through the gauntlet of learning about all these different artists and stuff. So it's almost like shocking. and hear somebody that is doing something different because so much shit is just boring as fuck now.

Hey, okay shit. I'm fucking that, bro. That's tight, bro. I hope you keeping it a Honda. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sir. I like it. I got a couple of the songs I heard on your top songs that I was like, oh, okay, this is going on the playlist.

I got those few more ones or there's some new ones. I haven't, like, fully, like, differentiate between the old and the new. Like, how do you feel your style has changed? It's because I was on a bench for a long time, bro, you know? Like, I mean, we're going to get into an interview and shit, but, like, bro, like, it's been since, like late 2018 up until last year when I discharged parole that I just had to sell on the sideline, bro.

Really? Yeah. And like now that I could finally move around, you know, be here. Like, it's been a long time coming, bro. Like frustration after frustration, you know, they thought it was fucking my first PO. So they was hitting my pack crazy. So wait, you were getting in trouble for fucking her? No, no.

That happened, bro. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I think they thought it was some favoritism going on. I don't know, bro. You know, like, it was just crazy, bro. And I just let go to Sternwheel. Like, you know, like, I thought,

When I came home from prison and shit, I was gonna be able to just hit the ground running, bro, you know? But that wasn't the case, you know? Like, and yeah, bro, like, I just got tired of waiting. And now that I left it in God's hands and I'm able to move around and shit, like, I ain't looking back, bro. But what was it, like,

what did you get in trouble for? And like, why did probation make it so? I called a murder charge, bro. Oh, shit, okay, right. Yeah, I laid somebody down, bro. They, you know, that was playing with me and shit. And I ain't going out like that, bro, you know? And I had to just,

Deal with it, bro. And that was 2018, you said? 2019. I thought 2018 in there because all the majors started hitting me late 2017. So, you know, I was negotiating contracts and I was in the middle of dropping the project and shit. So I held on to it because I thought I was in a pitch of that, whoever I ended up rocking with. And I stopped putting stuff out like late 2018. And I called my, I woke up to the deal.

I won it, bro, April 2019. And I called my case two months later. Really? Yeah, so like, shut down, bro. But I mean, I feel like we're sort of going out of order, but like, so what was the deal that, like, you want? It was it with an artist or just a label? Like, what you mean? Like, we were talking about signing to an artist?

Or you're talking about signing to a traditional label? Oh, no. It was like, yeah, to a record label. Like, I think like four or five majors hit me. Okay. Yeah. But this deal in 2019 or whatever just seemed like totally different. Like, it just seemed like the one.

Yeah. I mean, you know how I go, bro. You know, I'm more than sure you had your fair share of, like, getting all types of info on with shit and how, you know, like, Like, they conduct deals and shit. They're all, like, by default, they're all, like, basically trying to scam you and you over. Yeah. But there's different levels to that.

You know, as you're bigger going into it or whatever, there's, you know, sometimes you can call your own shots in a way that, like, if you're an artist who's, like, brand new off the bench and they think you have potential, they're going to give you a slave deal. They're going to give you the worst fucking deal imaginable because you have no leverage. And, yeah. I think, too, when you don't have people in your corner that are on this, out of the door, bro, you know? Like, they feel like they could just play with you, bro, you know?

And in 2017, I dropped a song called Bami, bro. That's the one that went planning on this shit. Like, no push, no nothing, bro. So I feel like they seen, well, I'm more sure they've seen the traction, bro, they see the numbers going up and shit. So that's when they just all started hitting back to back, bro. That's just crazy. Like, I ain't going back, bro.

I feel like it was damn near the same week, all of them hit me at the same time. I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? Like, it's like if they was all in a meeting, they were like, man, we gotta get them first, bro, you know? Yeah. But, I mean, I didn't bite the bait. I, you know, just read the shit and started just negotiating, bro.

Right. It is weird because, like, you would think that with the labels that they would be capable of keeping secrets and that, like, you would be able to be talking to one label and that all the other labels wouldn't find out. But from my experience, the labels know that as soon as they start talking to you, that all their competitors are also going to start talking to you. And that, like, they just don't really even have a chance in hell of. being the only ones courting you.

So then very quickly it becomes like, well, I'll give them 50K. Well, I'll give them $250K. Well, I'll give them a million. You know, like it just builds up like that. And that's why people end up getting big deals and stuff like that. But it is kind of weird how the labels like they just, if they're courting you, they just kind of know. The employees are not keeping their mouths shut unless it's some real classified shit.

Yeah. I mean, that's what I think too, bro. But I mean, we're here now, bro, you know? Yeah. Now I can move around. It's been way too long that I was on that bench, and I'm excited, bro. I'm pumped. I feel different about this music shit now, you know, like, it's just been way too

long. I had to just stay quiet and stay on the sideline, bro. That just suck. Like, especially when I felt like I have the world of my hands, bro, you know, like, I'm getting to this bread, bro, you know, like. But doesn't a murder charge normally make you, like, hotter as a rapper? I think because I just didn't go out there and yell it, bro, you know? Like, I mean, this is like one of the first times I'm actually going to talk on it,

aside for me, you know, highlighting it and music and shit, bro, you know, like. And so I'm just so excited, bro. I'm pumped up in. It's because I can finally apply myself 100%, bro. You know, without being like, like, like, with no restrictions, bro. Right. Straight up. Like, I had to go to hell.

I made it back, bro. So now I just got to get the little flames and the little, what's that shit called, a little amber dust off me, bro, man. Right. And I can move around, bro. But so you, I mean, we can get more into the details or whatever, but I feel like there's two different types of murder charges. which is that there's times where you feel like I just did what I had to do

is self-defense and then there's situations where you're going to feel kind of fuck up from it and you're going to like, you know, like we're so used to rappers just sort of proudly taking credit for shit and bragging about shit even if it's not shit that they did or it's something that their homie did or it's something that their neighborhood did. It's like, you know, we're used to do is like really wanting to take credit for taking somebody's life. But at the same time, I mean, if you're a fucking sane human being, it's probably not so hard. Yeah, it's not going to be. easy to justify that, especially when everybody got family, everybody got brothers, sisters,

kids, et cetera. It's like, it's ugly to be out there, you know, talking about that in a way that's disrespectful if you don't have that in your heart, you know? We're used to watching the King Vaughns. I mean, I don't think, yeah, shout out of Vine. I don't think everybody should be a King Vaughn, you know, I would choose not to be a King Vaughn if I could, you know. It's just sometimes, bro, like the life that, you know, landed on your lap, you just to fulfill it, bro. If not it's going to fulfill you, bro, you know. And either eat or eat or be eating, bro.

That's how I see it. And I'll tell you this, bro, the person I laid down, that was my boy, though. He slept on my couch, you know, and it affected me, bro. Because it's someone that I cared about dearly, dog, until he went, Roe, turns back on me, you know, did what he did. And I can never let nobody justify my timeline other than the man up there, bro, straight up. And I'm a dude, I'm a fight two from there to remain solid on that, bro. on that, bro. Like, I can never let no more play with me, bro, you know? I don't want

smoke with anyone, but I smoke a lot. Well, I start smoking on Friday and shit, but I mean, I'm like, if y'all want that, just come get it, bro, you know? It's not going to happen on some music shit, though. Like, I ain't going to get the police of Ali, I'm already on their radar, bro. It's not a secret, you know? Like, when I'm in my neighborhood, bro, like, they all know me, bro, you know? And even though with the cameras and shit, bro, like, I don't, for the record, I do not gang bang, bro. Like, I don't think that's something this is my personal opinion that should be highlighted and like in an environment like this i'm not saying here specifically but in front of cameras bro you know like it was never

cool for where i come from it's it was never cool to post a burner that you're running around with on social media bro like that's foolish you know like but let me tweet his own bro you know but there's so much stuff like that these days or it's like the examples of why you should never get on camera and say that you're from X, Y, gang, or why you should not get that shit tattooed on you or why you should not put in your fucking Instagram bio is like, you don't really have to have that long of a memory to be like, oh, like, for me, it's like,

oh, I remember when Ralphie the Pug was facing like this crazy ass sentence because he took a credit card and went to a department store and bought a bunch of designer or whatever, and then they put the gang enhancement on it, and all of a sudden he was facing like, you know, three, four times as much time. And he's not even from a game. That's just from a click that they were able to say, like, oh, Stink Team is a gang, even though, realistically, he's one of the only L.A. rappers that never joined a gang, you know? And it's like, brother, like, these kids, like, I know you want to yell it from the fucking rooftop. I'm from this hood. I get it. I know that shit sounds hard as far. But you just can't. Like, it's just such a bad idea.

I never understood that, bro. You know, like, I don't know if maybe it's the guidance in their section and shit, but it's, I mean, I could say probably I was brought up by. them ones, bro, you know? Like I said, I come from a big-ass family, bro, you know. And when I was saying too much, like, I just like, bro, like, no matter how hard my life got, I thank God for how he has played it so far, bro, straight up. Like, sometimes I don't understand it.

Sometimes I'll be yelling at him, bro. But, I mean, shit, I'm still here, 10 toes, bro, you know, man. Can't nobody take that from me, bro, you know? Right. I mean, you know how this shit gets to get wicked, bro. No, 100%. So, like, how much can we get into how this situation went down?

like how you fell out. Bro, I mean, shit. I mean, everybody curious. Like how, how, uh, so this was like your real homie. That was my dog, bro. Yeah. And then like, you say he went rogue. Like what kind of started to happen that made the vibe different?

It's because, you know, with this music shit, bro, there's like so much avenues you could like utilize and believe when it comes to bread, bro, you know? So like, I always knew the merch was good. Like, and I trusted him to do it. And I think it was just. too much money coming in, bro, where he couldn't, like, keep it solid, you know? He stops sending his shit out. Yeah, that's how it started, bro.

Like, at the shows and shit when I'm doing the meet and greets, at the end of the show with shit, like, people will come up to me talking about they never got their shit. And I'll just look at him, like, you doing, though, you know? But we'll have a little power afterwards, and the problems just became bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And, you know, like, he... Because the dream, and I did this, too, is, like, you want to take your homies who ain't got shit going on.

you're like, oh, I'm going to put them in charge of this. And then all of a sudden, they're going to become like a better version of themselves. And they're going to rise to the occasion and take on the responsibility. And then you kind of have this realization as time goes by that the reason why my homie is not on shit is because he doesn't have it in him to work hard and to like be the guy that I want him to be. Like I have that. And that's why I'm in the position I'm at now. But realistically, a lot of people just are not. Even if you give them the world, if you give most people a million dollars,

they're going to fuck a million dollars up probably like five percent of people are going to take the million dollars and like make a lot more money from it but like five percent i maybe maybe it's 10 it's a small percentage most people are not equipped to have good things happen to them in life yeah and then that's it just leaves that big ass question mark within ourselves bro like you say you're going through that shit too as far as like trying to put people in play and you knew and you were believing more in them than they were themselves, bro, you know where, are we wrong for that? Like, like, like, for real, keep it G, bro. Like, are we wrong for believing in somebody and shit?

Like, and that's the shit that just for a little bit my f*** me, it's like, damn, I'm trying to, well, because I know I got a good heart, bro. I know I do. And I mean, like, that's the shit that just trits me out. Like, maybe I should have never done that. But when I asked myself, what was I doing? I was doing something good, bro, you know? Like, I was trying to like, like you said, I was trying to put my people on, bro, you know?

Like, and when I say my people, I'm my only, you know, I'm only doing I'm only talking about my race. I'm talking about, you know, my brothers that are with me, bro. You know, like everybody I wake up to, bro. You know, everybody I'll be talking to on a daily basis and shit. Like, and it just get wicked, bro. It gets wicked. Like, now I just close everything.

My shit's tight-knits. And that's how I just got a move now, bro. You know, like it's fucked up for everybody else that do have that push drive that did deserve that live, that L.E. You know, and I apologize for not, you know, because sometimes I feel like with the people I have my life now, bro, like, they kind of like took the short end of the stick with me giving them that opportunity bro but look out of the shit I just went through bro you know like yeah I don't want to go through that shit again they're like that's just fucked up bro straight up yeah because sometimes like I'll be becoming friends with somebody and then I'll start thinking to my head like maybe this guy could

work for me maybe I could give him this job or whatever and I immediately realized in my head like if you give them a job you are most likely putting a time limit on the period of time in which you actually feel like you're friends with this person because as soon as I hire you, then it starts to become like, well, am I getting X amount of dollars worth of value out of this person every single month? Like all of a sudden, you start holding them to a different criteria where I was like, your homies that you've been friends with since high school, a lot of them realistically, I'm guessing, are fucking wasteoids. They just drink and party and hang out and realistically are not on shit, but like, what do you care? That's your friend. Like, I don't give a fuck if he's a fucking weirdo.

Like, I don't have to, that's not my problem. But then all of a sudden when they work for you, this is now like, like, a person being an alcoholic, if we're just friends, just whatever. If you're an alcoholic and you work for me, this is a huge problem. Like, this is just, this is going to fuck it up, like really bad, you know? I mean, especially with drinking, bro, you know, that shit always just ends one way, bro. Like, especially when they do it too much, like, you ain't the person that I'm trusting you to do this shit with. Like, I don't care what anybody say, bro. Like, when you fade and you drunk is fucking, you ain't on your tent, like, you're not who you are, bro, you know?

I mean, that's when it's up to us to just tug on that leash, like, no more, bro. Like, and some people just can't deal with it. Like, look what happened, you know? Like, talking about trying to set me up type shit. Like, so that's what happened. So you were beefing about, like, the merch stuff and everything like that he did. Do you, like, officially fire him at some point? Like, you stopped working together?

Yeah, and I told him, I was like, God, like, it's my fault for mixing business with a fan, bro. You know, at the time, I considered him my family, bro, you know? And, like, it's fucked up, bro, but, I mean, you know, I told him, I was like, dog, like, this is me just removing you from that position, but not from my life. Because it's my fault for mixing that shit. And he would still come around me for a little bit. Then he just drifted away, you know? And four years later, this when the shit happened.

Four years later. So had you guys, like, not really been talking around each other, or was it, like, occasional? Like, after he, like, fully faded away, now we didn't talk at all, bro. You know, like, he started being around some people that are fucking bozos and lames. And I don't know if they pumped him up. to, you know, take the initiative to do what he did. I don't have solidified proof. You know, I already regulated one of them.

But, I mean, I don't know, bro. Like, I don't know, bro. But so he just, what, like, tried to rob your shit? Or did he send somebody else? He snapped. Well, it was a situation, bro, where it circled back to the merch shit. Like, he was at a fucking goofballs meeting, greet, and they were promoting my clothing line there.

They had the sticker on the window. And I went over there, bro. I went over there to go talk to him. And he had different plans. Snatched my chain off my neck, you know? Like, and one thing led to another, bro. And I'm here now, though, you know? Damn.

So it went down, like, at this event, like in front of hell of people and shit? Broadday, bro, in Creshock Boulevard. Whoa. And was it like you and him? Or was it like a lot of people behind both of you that like, because I could just imagine that would get really missing? That's how started. It was just me and him, bro, you know? And like, his last words to me was, well, how are you going to cut me off, bro, after you start going up? I know, right before you

start going up, like right when you, what do you say? I quote, how are you going to cut me off when you start going up? And I said, you did that to yourself. And that's when everything just went, he just couldn't, he couldn't accept the fact that he wasn't wrong, bro, you know? And, I mean, like I said, he had different plans, bro, and one thing led to another, you know? Yeah. No, I mean, and it's always like that because think about it. If you're this dude, everywhere you go, everybody who knows you, knows you from being a part of something that's bigger than who you are alone. You know?

And it's not like your fucking bad bunny yet or whatever. But still, like every single person that knows him knows about his involvement with you. So every single day, he got to talk to people. And that's what they want to talk about. So he's living his whole life doing a fucking interview, Vlad TV every day to every person he sees. That's basically just asking him about that shit. And he's got to constantly be thinking about his version. of how this went down

that makes him sound better that probably, if he's like most people, never really takes any kind of accountability for the fact that he was in the wrong. Who's this again? Your guy. Oh, you're just... Yeah, I'm just making these assumptions.

I'm just making these assumptions. I'm like, it feels like that. No, but I'm saying like, it feels like that because you get, like, everywhere you go, people are asking shit. Like, I'm just honestly making these assumptions because I kind of like 100% know that that's how it is

because I've just seen this happen like a trillion fucking times. Yeah. But so you guys get into this argument and so you're strapped up and he's not? Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know the same way you can skip an ad? I get it.

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right you know like obviously he got shot bro you know but yeah like and you didn't you didn't get hurt in this whole thing or nah I mean I had a bunch of I had a handful of people jumping on me and shit like we started tussling over the blower like for all these fucking like low level minded

people that's gonna be in the kind of shit talking about you know you're up there telling like bro I went into the time for it so I could talk on the shit as much as I want to, bro. Right. But you beat it on self-defense? Yeah, yeah. I'd be on self-defense because they seen that I got robbed and shit. Oh, so they were trying to rob you in the middle of this? Or

that's kind of how it went. So he grabbed your chain and that's... Well, put it like this, bro. One of his boys when he dead on the floor, I mean, I got the whole discovery because it's my case of shit, bro, you know? He goes in his dead homies pocket and picks pocket on. Goes in this one, puts the shit back. Goes in this one, takes my chain out.

it just ducks off. His, this guy who's supposed to be his friend. That's hugging them, talking about, why, no,

but then he'd do that. That's the type of people I was dealing with, bro, you know? Like, no spinal cords, straight snakes, you know,

like, I feel like all y'all should get aired out, bro. Shade up, that's how I feel, my heart. And there was cameras

in the room? Like, there's cameras everywhere. It happened outside. On Crenshy out of bro, yeah. Having outside,

it's like, I think like five different cameras caught, like, all types of shit, bro, you know, like... And you get picked up, like, right away? Nah, I ain't gonna lie, I did the dash.

I was on the run for like three weeks. Three weeks, well. Yeah, and then it caught my ass. Really? How'd they get you? I don't know. I think... I'm thinking they ping me when I had dropped the song.

I was gonna cut and I don't know, bro. I guess not knowing I uploaded the song on YouTube and shit, you know? Like, because look at bro, I'm gonna keep a G with you. Like, I was on the run, but I wasn't hiding, bro. You know, like, I was still going to the market. It's like still doing shit, bro. Like, because... My lawyer told me the only way, because I'm not gonna lie, bro, like straight up,

I was gonna go turn myself in. But my lawyer was like, bro, like, if you didn't stay at the scene, then that's not gonna help you in court, bro. So just pretty much just wait till they catch you. And then I was like, well, fuck it. Like, I'm gonna just pay it like that. So I was, you know, still going outside, bro, you know? Like still just, still doing me, bro.

You know, like I said, I was on the run, but I wasn't hiding, bro, you know? And then eventually they just ran down on me, bro. And so is it just like full court press? Like, we're charging me murder? Like, was... 50 to life. Yeah. 187, bro, for like two years.

I fought it for like, like almost three years. Really? And yeah, it was looking bad, bro. Like, supposedly two videos got lost. One of the ones that justified my side of the story. I was finding that shit in Torrance. So you know how that shit go? Because Torrance is more suburban than a fucking around?

They don't play, bro. Really? I think they're like, what, top three of fucking like 99 point some shit conviction rate? Like... Really? Yeah, bro, you know, like to the point where I had to go double up on large, bro, because my first lawyer took a little while to tell me he had never tried and beat

a murder case. Oh, shit. So, like, I just had to go back to the drawing board, bro, you know, and I went and I found another one that had beat murder cases in Lancaster, which is a tougher court, and just fought it for a whole other year, bro. And I'm sure it's complicated, but, like, what's the gist of, like, what they were saying, your defenses?

It's, like, obviously they wanted to be self-defense, but, like, what was, like, the critical things that had to happen in order for that to be proven? And it went to trial? No, I didn't. Oh, okay. They just ended up giving up? Wow.

Yeah, it didn't. That's crazy. I'll tell you like this, bro, like I had one, two, one, two, three, four DAs on my case. Whoa. And like the second DA, I'm lying. I think it was like five DAs on my case. Oh, no cap. Yeah.

And right before the prelim, the DA at the time, he tried to take my lawyer to the back to talk to him. And he asked him, he was like, hey, bro, like, what's up, man, you guys down to settle? I got some numbers for you guys and my lawyer was like, bro, in all my years of practice, I've never had a DA come up to me to try to bargain before a preliminary hearing

so to tell you, to answer you, no. Bro, they was getting shaky from the jump, bro, because they knew what happened, bro, you know? And this is not me trying to provoke them to come and run down on me, bro, you know, like, I'm good, bro,

you know, like, that's the first charge I catch as a big boy, you know, I've been a juvenile and all that shit, but, you know, like, yeah, that's the shit I was fighting, bro. It's crazy, too, because, like, obviously if you had been able to get the million dollar lawyer,

then this whole thing probably would have had like a dramatically lower chance of working, you know? What's you mean? Like, you know, you just see celebrities and rappers and shit who are able to beat crazy-ass charges all the time because they're willing to spend a fucking million dollars or whatever on a lawyer. You didn't they be spending how much? I mean, I would be shocked if a little Dirk isn't spending like, I don't know, three, four or five million dollars trying to beat these fucking murder for higher charges. like, you know, it's probably like outrageously expensive.

And like even then, obviously, I mean, probably. Hey, free dirt, you feel? Straight up. Free dirt, bro. Straight up. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You think he going to beat it?

Right now, I would say no. Like, it doesn't look good. You know, I would love for him to beat it. But I don't, I mean, just having that many people snitching on you. Like, what the fuck? Especially your own boys. They're talking about his own voice flipped on them. That's crazy.

The ones who did the murders and are telling the cops like, hey, yeah, I did the murders and he paid me and he told me to do it. I mean, I don't. Kids, bro. This shit is. over with like this whole street shit is over with like we in 2026 but they got cameras everywhere like bro like this shit is over with like i'm just keep saying that shit this shit is over with yeah no it feels like that for sure all you got to do is like watch documentaries about crime in the 80s

or the 90s or whatever and and just think about like how different these situations would be if it happened in this day and age because there's just cameras everywhere and well save my life was a ring camera one specific angle It was like, so like, this is the street, and we was against like, bro, this is the commercial area, bro. You know, they got like little ghetto shops and shit on crunch around shit. And they had a ring camera taped on the inside of their little business right there. And that's what saved my life, bro, straight up. Damn.

A fucking camera, bro. I don't like cameras, but in this situation. I mean, if you are on the right side of the law, then the camera's usually going to be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, clearly, bro. Yeah. So I mean, a lot of rappers, you know, the pusha-seisties of the world and shit, if they get charged with that kind of thing, they're just going to like milk it.

They're going to like make songs that reference it or whatever and just do a fucking whole promotional tour. I mean, we've seen it before. But you were able to release music or you just didn't really feel comfortable with gas in it? I wasn't able to, bro. Oh, so they told you like you can't? They were like, bro, I dropped two songs when I was on bail, right? Okay.

And they were like, bro, like, there was no negativity. I'm not talking about no street shit. I'm just talking about, like, one of them I lost. I'm talking about I'm being burnt. The song's called burnt out. It's me fresh out of the county, bro. You know, I'm walking out of the county and shit. And that's just me talking about how I feel about the situation.

Bro, I'm not highlighting anything. And then the second one, my little cousin passed away, bro, you know? And I made a song for him. It's called sacrifices. They were using those two songs against me in court, bro. So, like, my lawyer was like, you got to put a plug on that shit. Like, they're trying to just paint you as this monster, and it's not helping those, bro, because, like, like, I said, it was 50 to life the whole way, bro, until, like, a little bit before everything changed.

Wow, that's fucking crazy. This is wild, bro. I mean, we see so many, like, you know, there's a host on a jumper that basically, like, caught a murder charge, and he's still making YouTube videos, like, talking about other people's cases and talking about who he's beefing with in the jail and shit like that. Like, you know, I mean, like what you're saying sounds like it makes sense. Like, even putting out any music is a huge risk. But, I mean, I just know so many people that just act like it's like all good. Like you just do whatever the fuck you want while you're locked up. It just sounds crazy.

Damn, that's wild, bro. Yeah. But, I mean, I hope that man beat that charge, bro. You feel me? Because I don't, like, I don't wish jail prison or nobody, bro. Straight up. I mean, unless you're just a fucking complete piece of shit, bro. You know, you over here playing with kids and shit.

He just already get burned, bro, straight up. But I mean, fuck, hopefully he prevailed, bro, you know. Yeah. So when this situation goes down, though, does it all of a sudden cause, like, crazy street shit? Because I don't really know, like, were you guys from the same hood? Were you from the same area? Like, I don't know. Is it become, like, a bigger situation?

Come on, bro. Ain't anybody trying to play ball with me, bro. Like, people have tried to throw little stones on some music shit. But like I said, I don't do that back and forth from music, bro. Like, I'm outside. right bro. Like not more, you know, I'm trying to walk, you know, I'm good right now. You know, like I feel good about myself. I'm in a good space and, but like I said, bro, like, ain't no telling when someone come knocking, bro, and I ain't going to let no one play on me,

bro, straight up. But, I mean, a couple people try to like start rumors, like talking about I was in a PC prison and shit and they ended up getting like aired out for that shit, bro, you know, type of shit. But were you in prison or you were in jail? Okay, so for how long? Two years. Two years. And so you were. You were. You were. You were in prison. I was in prison. Okay. So for how long? Two years. And so, And so you were just working on getting bailed together? You didn't have a bail? I bailed out right away. Okay.

So I fought my shit for almost three years, and then I had to turn myself in for two years. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, they gave me, so they gave me low term on voluntary manslaughter with a strike. And, bro, like, I just went and got it over with, bro, you know? Oh, okay. I was fucking damn you're fighting my case for longer than what I was going to be bussed. I mean, I got my people's at a busser, bro, you know?

So, like, I calculated at the time, 66% of 85%, you, you chop that shit down, bro, you know? like the they were trying to double up but right around that time is when gascones striked all the fucking the like the double ups on that all like like the gun enhancement on that shit so I just ended up taking three years flat on a low turn low turn voluntary mass louder and shit so were you in like a wild ass prison or was it a little bit more so I you know like I was in the last 100% GP prison bro which is California city really yeah that shit was rocking bro people try to downplay like levels of of prison and shit, but prison is prison, bro.

And where I was at, like, if you was there, shout out to all the soldiers that was right there marching with me, bro, you know, like, you know that shit was rocking, bro, you know? Can't really highlight too much shit that was going on in there, because, I mean, I'll chop it up with you off camera and shit, bro, you know? Like, but yeah, but I was at stake. I was...

No, we got to respect the roster, because they're pretty good about that. Like, yo, don't talk about our shit on podcasts, you know? It's like, consistently historically, that's always one thing that the Mexicans are pretty good about. They got y'all scared. straight. Wait, wait, what did you say? What do you mean? I mean, it's just like... For me, scared straight?

Not you specifically, but it's just like a culture of don't go on the fucking podcast and break down how our systems work in here. It's because you're just going to burn a spot, bro, you know? Like, you just like, shout out to them peoples, bro, you know, like that. Make that happen, bro, because I feel like everything should be conducted that way. Like I said, all this street shit shouldn't be highlighted for people's amusement, bro. Like, Some people like to live that way, but I mean, it is what it is, you know, like, I don't know, I can't speak for everybody, but. Were you able to just, like, do your time and be able to just handle your shit, or was it,

where did you find yourself, like, really wrapped up in the politics and the bullshit, like, pretty early on? Both, bro. No, like, when, and I say this, you know, like with a humble heart, salute to all my people, bro, but when you're respected, bro, you know, and I never once introduced myself, as devour in there, bro. Never. Like.

But I'm sure they figured it out. For sure, as soon as I landed. Yeah. But when you do your duggie, bro, and you, you know, you play ball correct, you get loved, bro. Like, I would say my whole term, probably ran into, like, very few incidents. The majority were in the county where it was like, bro, what the fuck? Like, but for the most part, this, shaw love, bro. Shout out of all them soldiers, bro.

You know, I was with, I met a lot of righteous motherfuckers in there, bro. You know that. taught me a lot too though you know like i would like i feel like people go wrong when they think that they're bigger than the program bro and nobody is right you're just another number bro yeah get you remove real quick as you can see i mean shout swayed rest and peace yeah i mean yeah so to what extent did your fame or success matter in there like did you get the feeling that there's like people who want to see me have a smooth time in here because they look at me as somebody

who's got potential on the outside and you've got a career ahead of you and everything like that? Or was it the opposite where it's like, I feel like some people who are in prison, they sort of resent people that have like a good life waiting for them on the outside and then they want to like really abuse that person

or like, you know, find some way to kind of like torment that person because they are jealous of somebody who's got something on the other side of this. A little bit of both, bro, you know, like, I said, like, when you solid, the solid one's going to vouch for you, bro. When you're not, then that's when you get stepped on. Like, bro, you know, like, I did what I did, you know, like in there. And can't nobody discredit that, bro, respectfully, you know, like,

shot all my people, bro, you know? I can't even close my hand, bro. I was getting jigging in there. Really? Look at that shit. That pinky just don't go down? Damn. You want to push that shit?

It don't go down, bro. You feel me? Like. I broke this bone right. right here and I still got like a nice little bump, but it's like I can still make a fist. Like, but I've, I've had friends over the years or like real street brawlers who like their hand is fifty. Like even Chuck Lidale, I was like interviewing him and I started noticing that like the

fucking knuckles and his hands are all sunk in and shit. Like he's just put in way too much work with his hands over the years and it's just, it's like barely a fist anymore. I'm sure he could do what he needed to do with it, but it didn't look pretty. Fighting hurts, bro. You'll fuck nobody say. That shit hurt. Like, when you turked up, bro, you know, like

There's only so much things that you could really speak on, bro, you know, like That I mean like, what I mean by that is like Bro, like you if you really outside bro and you're doing your shit like you could you you could agree bro like fighting hurts after a while bro. Yeah, my hands hurt bro, you know? Yeah These motherfuckers got miles on them bro, shayed up like yeah especially like sloppy ass jailhouse fights where you just break your hand on you hit somebody's head wrong break a bone in your fucking hand.

Like all that shit is just like kind of destined to happen. I know head, bro. Like I ain't hitting nobody in no head. I learned my lesson this shit early on. Oh, don't hit them in the head. Hell no. Really? Especially like you saying, Rasa, don't hit them in the forehead, bro.

We got some hard-ass heads, bro. Don't do that, bro, you know? Eye brazen it down, baby. Did you lose your connection with music while you were locked up? Or was there, did it inspire something? Never. Really? Never, bro.

I never lost my, bro. So music, honestly, bro, I feel like if it wasn't for music, I probably wouldn't be here tomorrow. Straight up. Like, I mean, music has tormented me, you know, like through certain situations, you know, evil-ist people in there. Like even out here, you know, the dude resting wherever he is, bro, you know, like it was on behalf of music, bro, you know, like.

But never, bro, like music is my love, bro, and I'm always going to stay tunnel vision to it straight up. And I can never let nobody blur that shit because I know God bless me with some. got the opportunities that other people have, you know, I never signed. But eventually, finally moving around, come on, baby. I've only, I've only been applying pressure for a year now, bro, you know, like last year is when I was finally off the bench, bro, you know? But never, bro. And I'll never let nobody do that. How'd that feel coming home after all that, though? It was tight, because as soon as I went gold in prison, bro, and when I walked out...

Just from old songs starting to, like, pick up momentum while you're locked up? Well, I think it was already by to hit gold right before I went to But it just took some time to get the plaque, bro, you know? But when I walked out, like, coming home was dope, obviously, you know, like, ain't nobody want to be locked up, especially when you feel like you got the world in your hands, bro, you know? But, like, bro, I walked out, I held a gold plaque when they picked me up to all my people in asset, because what I prored from, sea yard, and that's asset, you know, like, yeah, cages everywhere

and shit. So the backside, I mean, I can speak on it too, bro, you know, because that prison is closed down. I think it's a federal prison now or some shit. It was a federal prison first. But yeah, bro, like my people that had that backside, you know, like, boom, I held the fucking plaque up, shout out my homies and shit, you know, like, and felt good up until I got home, bro, like, dealing with, bro, it's crazy because, I mean, you probably know this shit, too.

Like, your, when parole plans come see you right before you parole and shit, they give you your restrictions and shit. And when you're in there, bro, you get whipped. Like, when it comes to being on parole and shit, bro, as far as, like, what you can't do? They only give me five restrictions, bro. And one of them was, and they said it very, like, what am I, P.O. tell me. She was like, dude, like they said this very, I think Veg was the word where someone, yeah, someone needs to explain to you what this means because I don't want to sign

it before I came home, but they would have had to send that shit back to the court. I would have argue it. Weeks and weeks or months. Yeah. I'm dealing with bullshit. I'm like, fuck that. I'm trying to get up out of here. They have so much leverage because you want to get the fuck out of there more than anything in the whole world. This is the point where you're damn near going to want to sign anything. Yeah. And she told me that. So I was like, I'm going to just, she's like, Like, look, if I was you, that's what I'll do. Just figure that shit out when you get out. And I was all right, for sure, you know.

So, like, hopefully, you know, like, someone could explain to you better. But it was pretty much on some shit where, and I'll send it to you later on, bro, like, the exact sentence of shit. But it was pretty much, like, if I'm caught speaking about anything negative, like, that's a violation. Right. I was like, what the fuck? Like, what does that mean, bro, you know? Like, and it's crazy because all my boys, brown, black, everybody, bro, that, that, You know, I was getting their parole plans ready.

They had, like, 10, 15 restrictions. They only gave me five. So I kind of felt like they did that shit on some asshole shit. Like, there was like, bro, here, you got five. But we know one of them ones is going to hold you down, bro, you know? It's tough to be a rapper and not talk about shit that's negative. Like, you're going to make every song like, hey, today was a good day. Yeah, bro.

There's a reason why that Ice Cube song stands out to us is because it's not really easy to make your whole music career based around like, hey, I feel good, man. I'm walking down the street. I mean, realistically, most rap music. tends to gravitate towards hardships and negativity. Bro, I just beat a murder chart. How don't feel good about it? You know, like, you feel me? Like, but whatever, you know, I just had to figure it out,

like everything else in life, bro, you know? But how serious do they take that shit? Because, like, I remember when Crip Mag was coming home about, like, a year ago or six months ago, there was so much conversation about, like, them, part of his parole being, like, he can't gang bang anymore. And, like, everybody was like, so he can't say 50th Street. He can't say I'm a Crip, blah, blah, blah. And then he gets out and I don't think it's slowed him down at all.

Like he says every gang banging ass thing that he wants to say. And I've never heard anything about it. And I do feel like, like if they were more aggressive or ambitious, I guess they could probably shut that down and say, hey, you're locked up because you're not allowed to be saying you're a crib. But it doesn't feel like they usually like have the motivation to do that. Like, does that how it feels with you or you feel like they really want to violate you? It just really depends, bro.

Who's working your case if you ask me? And like how bad they want it out for you, bro, you know? Like, I guess I could use the DAs for an example. Like some of them were pretty much admitting, like I told you, like they was admitting that they didn't want to work this case anymore, but some of them were just fucking trying to get me gone, bro, you know? So I don't know, my personal opinion, it just depends on who's working your case. And if they want to press that line on you, they can.

But if they don't, it's really up to them, bro, you know? Like, if they want to violate you, it's only one person that can do that, and it's your PO, bro, you know? So you got a cool, you know, like at the end of the day, we're all people, bro, you know? I'm not saying going forward to you. can be friends with them, but you have to communicate with them one way or another because you got to check it with them, bro, you know?

Like, so all that stigma of everybody talking about like, oh, fuck cops this is that and third. Well, yeah, like, all your cops are certain individuals, bro, you know? Like, but I mean. End of the day, you gotta work with them. It's like, same thing as having a job. Like, you don't have to like your boss, but you gotta fucking keep them happy. And like, you don't have to like the cops.

But ultimately, if there's a better result that could come, whether it's getting treated better by the Furn C.O. while you're in prison or whether it's like, you know, somehow find in a way to, like, build some kind of rapport

with your, with your PO or whatever that they're not going to be violating you left and right. I mean, you got to do that shit. Nah, yeah,

for sure, bro. Like, but, man, that's crazy shit. Good for him. Like, shit. I hope,

you know, they don't run down or no, for some shit like that. I mean, he got his head on his face, bro, it's out of violation.

Like, you feel me? Like, yeah. I don't know, When you got your op killer on your forehead, I mean, yeah. It's kind of like, y'all, y'all don't want him to say he's a Crip. I mean, it seems like it's kind of the laced of your worries, but okay.

I think his situation is probably like, man, bro ain't going to learn. Just leave him alone, bro, you know? Like, we can't just keep, like, that's what I think. Like, some people just really don't give a fuck, bro, and, I mean, sometimes it works. Yeah. I mean, that's the kind of whole thing with the street shit is that, like, the code is that your expected to basically like sacrifice your common sense or your self-interest for the greater good of your hood but then like as time goes by it seems like most people get kind of disillusioned

and they realize that this group of guys that they felt so close to the relationship probably was not really what you might have thought it was when you were 17 or something yeah bro shit she could get wicked bro you feel me and this is up to you to realize it and put a stop to it or just keep letting it happen bro you know like When you look at that situation, like it happened, you were just at like a meeting greet or, what was it like a album release type thing? Or what should happen? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's some fucking idiotic meeting greet. Right. So I mean, that even right there is the kind of thing that's like, are you just super on point now of like just realizing. Like you have to be paranoid now because you're realizing that even the most random situation can get you in a situation that could waste a big fucking chunk of your life. What you're talking about like that specific day type shit? Yeah or just the things that other people take for granted Which is like oh there's a meet and meet and greet

I'm just gonna pull up and like say what up And then like you don't really think about the fact that like Oh there's like a 1% chance that this could go really fucking left Yeah but I didn't think so bro bro you know that's what I said I feel like it's the people that he was moving with That probably pumped venom in him because I mean I had them around me for a reason bro I was you know like I was brode out you know like

You know like we was tight And everybody know that shit. But, I mean, that's why I could confidently say. I feel like it was everybody around him that made him grow rogue, bro. You know, like, people really hate, bro. You know, like, when you got something going on and people don't, and they've been trying to do what you do for a long-ass time, people could get frustrated, bro.

And I understand that, too. I was like, it's like my enemies, bro. Like, at the end of the day, my enemies, but I salute him and I give him respect, bro, because my enemies play ball, bro, you know? So I can only down. playing for so long, you know, like, I'll tip my hat to you. A lot of people ain't like that, but I am, bro, you know? So back to the initial question, I just felt like the people around them

influenced them to do some. And I felt like it was playing too, because as soon as I seen them, they all just started taking their stuff on their pocket and shit, like, so I felt like, no, like, bro, keep in mind, no one knew I was going over there. But the moment I got in there, it's like if everybody was on cue, like, oh, when we see D, this is what we gonna do, you know? But, I mean, look where we got them. Yeah, it's crazy

Do you do you Would you say you deal with it on like a psychological level Like a little bit of trauma that follows you I got native blood in me bro So I just try to stay solid in every scenario bro You know? But I'm human too though You know and I feel like

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Like, bro, like my PR, she could tell you, bro, like, it's my first time having a PR, bro. It's my first time having a manager and shit. Like, I'm playing ball correct now, bro, you know? And they know me, you know, like, we've been rocking. Like, I love her, bro. Straight up. Like, that's my star player right there.

And she just, you know, we had a dope-ass conversation not too long ago. And she was like, D, I think it would be a good move if, you know, tapped into some therapy and shit. Look, I get the chills, bro. Like, but I'm going to stay solid till I'm 10. I'm no longer here, bro. That's all I know, bro. Like, straight up.

Once you start seeing a therapist, you start to realize that there's a lot of stuff that you want to talk about that is just really not a great idea for you to talk about it with the actual people in your life. Like, you know, when you talk to your homies about how you feel and let's say you feel vulnerable and emotional and soft or whatever, I mean, like, even your homies, like that could, you're not going to feel 100% comfortable with them because you know that that information that is going to be processed as weakness is going to be something that could be used against you. even with your girl like you know like in life in general there will be times we want to crawl into a fucking ball like a baby and cry your eyes out and realistically most of us like that's just not really like going to necessarily be a good thing for your relationship you know like sometimes you don't want your girl to see you like that and uh i think therapy is like really important because it just can kind of like once you get into a good situation with somebody that you really trust to be able to open up like that.

It's just, like, so important, I think. Nah, for sure. I mean, I haven't tried it yet. Like, I mean, my shoulder, I've been on my shoulder for a long ass time, bro, you know? Like, yeah. And she just, she feels my energy, bro, you know, so like, even her, she was like, dude, like, I just really feel like, you know, you are the way you are because of your upbringing and shit, you know, like, and it's fucked up that.

Even, I speak for LA yourself, bro, you know, like, that's all we know, bro. You know, like, if you solid, that's all you know. bro, you know, like, not to cry, this, that, and the third, bro, you know, but, I mean, we're human, bro, you know, like, I ain't gonna lie, like, I'll let my drop if I feel like they need to drop, I'm not gonna hold them in, you know, but I've never tried therapy. I've never tried to go open up to somebody about everything, bro, you know, and, I mean, I don't know what shit, like, have you tried fucking with therapy and shit? Like, you've ever had a therapist? Yep.

You feel like that shit really was beneficial with shit? I think so, yeah, because it's like, you know, you're gonna get to a point where you want to talk about your relationship with your girl, and, like, your girl, your girl, is just not the person to talk about it with. You know, like, your girlfriend is the one that you're going to war with that you are trying to figure out like, do we want to stay together? Is this a good relationship? Blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, yeah, talking about that with her is good. Talking about it with your homies is good. But realistically, like, talking to her is super compromised. You know, it's just like she has her own objectives with this conversation and stuff. You can't really be transparent with her in that way. And then your homies, like, a lot of them just don't probably have the emotional intelligence to like be able to really have that conversation in a serious way and especially like dude the shit that you have been through as much as like we're in hip hop or the streets or whatever

and now it's like that that shit is like a lot more common in our like what you've been through is a lot more common to a lot of the people that we're around than like a normal person but like just being able to like open up and talk about it freely with somebody when you know that like everybody else in your world you don't want to scare them you don't want to let them know like that you feel conflicted emotionally. You know, there's just so many things that, like, complicate things. And the ideal therapist relationship is somebody who just has, like,

I've been doing therapy for probably four years with this woman who. It's current. You still go? Yeah. She lives in Mexico. We just do Zoom calls. So she's Rasa too. She's not.

She's white. It's good. There's no color over here. She's one of those people who, like, lives in Mexico because it's, like, super cheap. And, like, I don't even, but I've never even asked. I don't know if she has a boyfriend. I don't know if she has a girlfriend. girlfriend. I don't know what.

You know, you'd be like, hey, you got a, not a girl? No, I've never, no, no. No. I don't know. Because it just feels like, you know, you can know everything about me. Like, I don't really got any reason to like know about you. Yeah. That's tight, bro.

I mean. I think you should do it for sure. It's not that expensive either. Like, you know, it's just more or less like, developing that trust with a stranger, bro. You know, that's how I see it from outside looking in. Like I said, I never tried it. When I was in juvenile hall and I got out, they made me go see a therapist,

but it was part of like the whole juvenile shit. Like, yeah. only there for like, I had to fulfill like 10 hours or some shit. So I just go in there lay down. I ain't talking to nobody, bro, you know? But I think I am, bro. I think I am. I feel like it probably will be good for me, bro,

because that's only a fraction of what the fuck I don't have been through, bro, you know? Like. And with a thing you keep in mind my therapist, too, is that it's like if you say I'm worried that I'm going to go kill a bunch of people, then they might have to do something about that. They might have to report it or whatever. Yeah, like, it's like, But if you say, hey, I feel terrible about it 10 years ago, I killed this guy, nobody knows.

They can't do shit about it. The code is that they're not allowed to go to the cops with that or anything like that. It has to be like an imminent threat to other people's safety. But if I say I caught a body back in the day, they're not supposed to like do anything about that. And I think it would be like a huge violation of their code. You know, like they would lose their job or I guess most of them don't really have like jobs that like work independently. but like I don't think you really have to worry about that. Yeah, I guess like put me on, bro. Like, like, what are the restrictions? Like, what is like the red line when like, how you said? Like, they could go and report certain things.

Like, it's just that. Listen, if you're planning on killing somebody next week, do not tell them that. But if you did some shit back in the day, you're good. Like, they can't. They're not supposed to. But also, you ever seen the Sopranos? No, bro. I'm not really into like TV and shit.

Never really been. So it's like a, it's from back in the day. And he's like an Italian mobster or whatever. And he ends up like sleeping. with this therapist and shit. Oh, here, foiling. Yeah. That's like you got to do the Zoom call.

You don't want that temptation. Yeah, nah, yeah, I probably, I mean, I don't know, bro. I think I'll try it. Yeah, for sure I'm going to try it. Do you feel kind of like resentful because your wave or your momentum, like, slowed down in that time period? Like you, and especially looking back on it, 2018, 2019, that's when, like, hip-hop was, like, exploding.

And then you had to basically just be on the bench and, like, not able to pursue your shit the way you wanted to. It's like, does it feel like you still have, like, the fan base that you had before? Or does it feel like you missed out on this, like, crucial opportunity? Both, bro. Like, I feel like, like, I wonder what I wonder what I've, I don't like to think like that either though, bro. Like, because obviously that's not my reality anymore, meaning, like, dwelling all shit that you should have and could have had, like, you're just going to beat yourself over it for no fucking reason,

bro, you know? So early on, like, I learned to just let that shit go and not. sweat and dwell on the past, bro, you know, but I mean, something like, shout out, shout out, shout out, I don't even like calling the fans, bro, call them my fans. No, I thought an M instead of the end, bro, you know, like, if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be here, bro, my name wouldn't be a life, bro, you know, like, they go so hard for me, like, to be able to still, like, put up numbers, bro, you know, like, and this is me being, like I said, being on a bench for so long without feeding them shit, bro, you know, like,

when I got, when I went away, I chopped up, like, 10 music videos, and I just scheduled them throughout the time I was gonna be gone. I dropped them in there, bro, you know? But man, that's a big shout out to everybody bumping my shit. Bro, all my fans, bro, you know, like, because if it wasn't for them going so hard for me, bro, and showing that loyalty, though, like, even though, loyalty don't even exist anymore in 2006, bro, you know?

Like, I wouldn't be here, though. Like, I just wouldn't, bro, you know? That's how it feels. Do you feel like very disillusioned with even, like, the concept of, like, friends and, like, Like having people that you consider close, that yourself close to, because you've kind of seen it go the other way so many times?

As far as loyalty and shit? Yeah. For sure, bro. Like, it's rare. And when you do, you know, to anybody listening and you find someone that you feel is giving you and reciprocating that loyalty you can give. Like, I'm a loyal-ass motherfucker, bro.

Anyone that knows me, like, knows that. You know, like, even when it comes to problems and beef, bro, I'm loyal to that. Like, if it's up, we up, bro. You know, like in any scenario on life, bro, like loyalty, I remain holding it tight and I'm never going to let it go because I just feel like it just, the heartbeat to loyalty is just slowly, it's about to just go peep. And if it's only me, it's going to keep that shit alive, bro, I'm going to run that, bro, you know. But to answer you, hell yeah, but like, that word

has changed, bro, you know, it's way too much snakes. It's like, it's like this, bro. Like, in 2026, it's okay to be fake. Like, that's the new definition. of loyalty. Like, it's not loyalty anymore. It's being a fucking snake, bro, you know? And once you find them people that you feel like are still helping you keep that heartbeat to loyalty alive and going, cherish them people, bro, because it's fucking rare. Yeah. No, Felix. It's like, like, I feel like so many people have this idea that they're just going to stay down with the people that they came in the game with and they just have no idea, like, how difficult that actually is to pull off in the long run because it's just so hard to stay on

the same page with the people that you came in the game with. But I do think it's like really, really important to manage those relationships and try to keep that shit alive because once you're like on, you know, your fourth group of friends as a podcaster or entertainer or whatever, it's like it does start to feel less real, you know, like like real friendships, the people that you actually like hung out with before you had shit. I mean, like you got to hold on to that shit as much as you can. But also it's like realistically, the fallout's going to have. happen without you trying to have it you know like you're just going to people are going to be selfish people are going to want to be self-interested do their own thing and like as a person who's

the light who's like creating opportunities for people and stuff you know as time goes by they're just going to more and more like want those opportunities for themselves and not want to be in your shadows no for sure bro and look it's crazy because how are you supposed to move and you was talking about like the people from back in the day like you like to me mean that day one shit doesn't exist no more, bro. Like back then what day one meant is, damn, this is my day one, like meaning you know that person for so many years, bro, you know. But now what day one's mean to me is someone that has kept a solid from the day one I met them, bro. Like if, you know, you kept that shit solid, like even if I met you two months ago, bro,

and you've kept it solid from that day one, that's a day one right there, bro, you know? Like it may be fresh, but like I started looking at my situation, bro, I know this deuceus, we was damn your kids, bro, you know, like young, our team, both of us when our teens, type of shit, bro, you know, like, yeah, that shit is crazy, bro. Like, but. That's the crazy shit, though, is that nobody will slime you out harder than somebody who's known you since back in the day. Yeah.

Yeah. On top of that, bro, like, how are you supposed to look at it when you're in a circle is no longer here, bro? Like, my inner circle, they all up there, bro, or down there. Because some of them up is a demons, bro, you know? Right. But that just made me close up a little, I mean, not even a little, a lot more, bro. like knowing that I don't really have day ones like that from back then no more, bro.

Like they all gone, bro. You know, some of them ain't ever coming home. The majority of them with my starting lineup, they're dead, bro. Yeah. So I just be, he catches me riding the dollar all the time, bro. Straight up. Like all my brothers with me, bro, you know? Yeah.

But, yeah, bro, that's a battle I'll be battling with at times. I ain't alive. Like, it's so crazy how shit just changes, bro. Do you feel like the music is different or bad? as a result of all the shit that you've lived through? It's hard for me to judge my own music, bro. Like, it's always, like, I just always had a hard time with, and it's not even like the level of confidence

I have, and none of that shit. It's just more or less like, I like to just let people judge that shit. Like, when people ask you know how to fight, find out, and I'll let you judge it, bro, you know? Like, I don't know, it's always just been somewhere, it's like, I let, I don't do it to critique myself. I mean, when I'm alone and the student shit,

like, because I'm my paler, you know, I got a challenge. I got a whole ass studio and the other side of my house. And when I'm alone, I do critique myself. I'm like, okay, cool, bro, you know? Like, but I let people do that shit, bro. I don't do that shit. Mm.

Definitely. Does it change like the whole feel though, like of making music, like, does it feel like there's something that's kind of like drawing you back in like a, in like a direction where, I don't know, like, where you just, you want to speak on these like tough things you've been through, but then at the same time. It's like, I feel like a lot of rappers don't want to make their music

that depressing. I don't sense for myself in the custom making music. I mean, if you ever do and go down that devour a rabbit hole, you'll see. Like, I'm happy with this shit,

bro, you know? Like, one thing I will say is I'm very versatile. Like, I listen to a bunch of it. I just, like, feel like when I'm listening to the top songs on Apple, that like,

I'm not probably like seeing, like, what you're like now versus... It's because I'm from LA, so what's consumed out here is just shoot them up, bullshit, bro, you know? But once I make it out that little bubble and I can see it happening, bro, you know,

like, that'll get highlighted more than it. But I don't shy away from it at all. Like, shit, I just, I make music like, I'm, I make music, bro, and what navigates my music is the shit that I'm going through, bro, you know? So I don't filter shit. Do you, what do you think, like, what are your thoughts on like the L.A. rap scene as a whole?

Is it inspiring or is it depressing? That shit weak. Straight up, bro, everybody doing the same shit. Like, if I had to take the majority of these rappers, bro, and put them all on the same beat, even up to the music videos, bro, like, am, just make a fucking compilation, bro. It'll sound like they all, it'll look and sound, I say look for the video and sound for the song, the audio, like they was all in the lab together. Like, there's nothing different about this shit, bro, you know?

Like, for example, Swade, he sound like Kodak Black, bro. Like, where's the original behind that, bro, you know what? It's crazy that he took it where he took it. not going to discredit, you know, what he was able to do with the music shit, bro, you know? But even when they brought him up, bro, like, I remember my father saying your name, fool, but Gary at Atlantic, he brought me in. He was like, bro, what you think about him? And I was like, fool, this would sound like Codac black, bro, you know?

And he had Atlantic, too, so how that going to work? And he just started busting up and shit, but. But I do, I feel like swayed as much as, yeah, he might have similarities with Kodak. It's like, I feel like a lot of the great rappers have that early in their career, where it's like. They take him someone? Yeah, like early on with Gunna, it's like, you know, early on I probably wrote off Gunna like, like, man, I'm listening to Young Thug and a little baby. I don't really give a fuck about this guy. He's just like the same shit. And then like as the years go by and they develop more of their own sound. Like that's the thing with Suway is that we, I don't think we ever really got to see what he was really capable of. And like, how he would find more of his own identity. Because he still stands out to me as like he probably would have been like the biggest Mexican street rapper from L.A. if he had been able to keep it going, you know?

You think so? I mean, it's tough to like call it because you don't really know like what would have happened. But to me, he had like a certain charm and like an allure that would have been fucking insane. I really look at him as like kind of like the Mexican Draco in a way. Like he could have occupied like a similar space for that crowd, I feel like. But yeah. When it comes to Draco's music, what's your thought on it? That's everything, man.

That's the God the last like 10 years of L.A. in my book, you know, it's just like everything kind of like emanates from him. everything that isn't influenced by him is whack old school shit you know like not not everything like obviously there's like infinite horrible music that is basically just like drako tributes you know but i mean from my perspective it's like he everything like if you if you look back to 2015 2016 you look at the shit that was hot on like an la street level that shit was trash you know like not drako shit no everybody besides him like he he brought in a new flavor that made LA rap seem exciting to me. And there's just so many boring-ass old-school dudes who are like,

who are salty, really, like still to this day because they kind of got like pushed out by this new sound that they just like, their shit just sounded helladated compared to it. Shit, I mean, fuck, bro. Like, I mean, if it's cool with you out, like, put me on with some music, bro. Because I feel like, I don't know if it's me fucking up. But like, once I felt like I started building momentum for myself, I stopped listening to everything.

Like, I was listening to. no type of music anymore, bro. So I guess I can't really like, I can't really elaborate too much on like other rappers and shit because I just really don't know. Like if I catch like a, like if someone like is bumping the sound

like there's like a clip that go viral and shit, like that's the only time I really like hit my ear and shit, you know, but yeah. Shit, put me on bro, like, not obviously not right now, shit. But like shit, with people you think that go hard as far as music is shit like not, not not not not fucking going viral for some bullshit like music,

bro, you know? I ain't a lot of those. dry in LA. Like, really, like, the number of artists that people are excited about,

or even really in rap in general, like, when you talk about, like, artists people are excited about, it's like, you just really find yourself scratching your head,

like, damn, like, shit is, like, I just, like, remember other eras

of my hip-hop fandom in, like, 2006. I was on my fucking computer downloading Lil Wayne and J.R. writer and Hell, like,

all these New York dudes. A line wire? What was you on? No, no, I was like blogs. Oh, okay, okay. So, like, before that, it was like, Limey and Napster and shit like that. But then, like, at a certain point, it just became, like, every day.

And everyone I knew, everyone I knew was like, you know, when I think about how I found out about Drake, it's because these different hip-hop blogs would post every new Lil'O Wayne song. And one day they post a little Wayne song and it's featuring Drake. And I just downloaded like every other little Wayne song. And then I'm listening to it. And I, you know, I'm just like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, this guy is so much better than, like, everybody else that I've, like,

heard in recent memory and it's like I don't know like that that passion to just like want to hear new rap feels like a distant memory the like the culture is just like not like that anymore like if anything no like we want to we want to tear you apart we want to shit on your album sales and we want to make fun of your hair or something you know like we want to like people are more into the idea of being critics than like passionate consumers of the culture which is terrible like sometimes I watch a YouTube video about some, like some rapper's new album, and they'll be talking about the sales. And they'll be talking about, like, what people are saying on Twitter about it.

And then at some point I realized, like, they haven't even listened to this fucking album. Like, I'm watching a 10-minute video this guy talking about the album, and he didn't listen to the album. Like, what a terrible age we live in, you know? Yeah, it's like people would just be speaking up with, I don't know and shit, bro. Like, I mean, like, that's what just makes all this shit, like, wild, bro, you know, but I mean, fuck it. Like, one thing I just felt like people can't get in the way of destiny, bro, you know,

so some shit destined for you, I mean, of course, like, running into the right machines and power that, I'm talking about music, like, that could get you to like a broader audience, like, maybe straight, bro, you know? Like, but I do miss that shit too. I do miss, like, running into like new vibes, bro, like when Roddy Ridge came out, like, bro, Roddy Rich, for sure, one of my top, like. And when you go back to that era of 20, 2018, 2019, whatever, like, like, honestly, Nipsey and Draco and, you know, various other rappers

that we kind of lost during that age, bro. It's like, in some weird way that, like, symbolized hip-hop in L.A. against so much less exciting. Like, if you look at the list of, like, the top L.A. rap songs that came out in 2018, it is just, like, whoa. That is just 10 fucking bangers, like huge hits. And if you do the same thing right now, we got Phoenix Flex and Making a. AI song.

Bro, like, what's your thoughts on all that AI shit, bro? Like, I mean, I was really excited about that song at first, and then I ended up feeling

kind of burned once I realized what the creative process was like, you know, yeah. Bro, I sent out of Phoenix though. What's up, but like, listen to how cringe I am is I sent that link

when it was still just an Instagram real, I sent it to Drake. And I was like, Oh, you sent it to Drake? I'm like, bro, this shit is so hard. You fuck with Drizzy? Yeah, you talk a little bit, but like, I sent it to him

and I'm thinking like, he's going to be hyped on it. And he didn't And when I think about it, I'm like, you know, he knows a lot more about music than me. He probably, like, fucked around with the AI shit a little bit. He probably knows what it sounds like. Like, look at Drake said, bro. Like, look at Drake's such a goat, bro.

Yeah, like, do you think everybody going to start easing up on all that AI shit? Like, do you like, because, you know, like, because, you know, like, because, you know, like, 10, 15 years, like barely any. Like if he's making AI songs, he's keeping him on the fucking hard drive, like everything else he puts. Like, you just, he don't put music on. So it's like, Hey, Dre, we need detox, bro.

What's the other day and shit? Straight up. Well, I think he didn't he put out that, that Compton album? Oh, yeah. That was like a lot of what was supposed to be on detox, I think. I think detoxes. Oh, what? You haven't heard.

I've been so tapped out on music. You haven't heard a word about detox in 10 years. I think that's never happening. But, but, but, no, I mean, we all were like, hanging on. for it for a long time but I mean yeah like the like I feel like we're at this point right now where like I remember when auto tune came out and like so many of us our reaction was just like yo like this is terrible like what the fuck is wrong with these people like we do not want to hear

this shit no way he was getting in knives in his back yeah but well Wayne is kind of like more like oh okay maybe this is dope like by the time future comes around by the time like jZ dis is auto tune in front of T-Pain and the T-Pain and the T-Pain keeps going with it and has big hits with it and stuff, that's when it's like, oh, shit, this shit is going to last. Like, they found ways to use auto tune in a way that was cool. And then, like, when you think about the AI shit now,

I think two years from now, we look back it right now and we're like, holy fuck, that's so funny that that's what we thought the AI music was going to be like, because people are going to just find ways to, like, make better music using it and less cringe shit. And it's going to get to the point where, like, but I do feel like there's just such a big part of the population that's just like, no, I don't want to listen to A.

Am I music. I'm disgusted by it. And like, there's just going to be like an older generation that doesn't want to adapt to it. And then there's going to be a younger generation. Because I've heard about Playwood Carding and Kanye West doing it, but like in ways that you kind of can't tell. And I feel like that that's different because the Phoenix Flex's song is just, you know, I feel like a fucking more.

Yeah, I feel so stupid that I didn't get it right away. I've known this year for 10 years. You know Phoenix for 10 years? Yeah. known forever and I'm listening to his fucking fake-ass voice thinking like, damn, that shit hard. Oh, he's gonna be mad at too, bro.

Yeah, I mean I was what it was. Hey, hey, shout out Phoenix, bro. Shout out Phoenix. Now, but he, through that song, I end up going back and like listening to his catalog more and being like, man,

he's a great rapper. Like, we should not have taken him for granted for all these years. Like, he's fire. Yeah, he get off, though. Phoenix, he'd be popping this shit,

bro. He'd get off. Yeah. I just wonder, like, will he have another big AI song? Or is that kind of done? I mean

back to the whole topic of like you don't even know what people are doing nowadays bro you know it's like I mean at this point shit if it's working for you it's getting you that bread bro shit right that wave

right that way to the wave slam down just go back to default like yeah because you can always bounce back on your foundation that's one thing he does have bro he has his foundation

bro you know so to go and explore and milk that shit like the crazy thing about it though is like I probably won't do AI yeah

I probably guess I'm like You should fuck around with it in the studio But then you should just like Absolutely not put it out Unless you just start convinced Like this is the song Like somehow

I just found the best fucking song Ever But realistically that might not happen You know it's like You might make 10 songs I'm weird I'm not doing this I'm gonna keep a G with you too though bro

Like I don't like Even like with the whole chat shit Like bro The police was on my phones And all that shit is so tough That I just feel I don't know if you ever had your house raided, bro, but like, when someone go, you know,

when that happens, you feel violated. You feel like, like, there's our cameras in here. They bug my shit. Like, you know, like, so for me to know and see that, you know, like, they was going through my shit, opening messages and shit. Like, I just let go on my phone, bro. Like, that's one thing I'll be fucking up on, like, you know, like, she could tell you too, bro.

Like, I just, I wish I was better at my phone, bro, you know, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you got locked up, being on your phone, posting on. five different social media networks was not that much of a thing. And now all of a sudden in 2026 is like the whole thing. Yeah, phones is everything now, bro.

Straight up. Like, so I said that to say, like, I haven't like really fucked to like chat or like none of that shit, bro. Like people will be telling me like, it may go drive easier and shit. But I mean, eventually if I feel like I find it appealing and interesting, I'll fuck with it. But up until now, I have no knowledge on that shit, bro. I don't even know how to get started. Straight up. Keep it real with you.

I mean, like, honestly with chat, like the primary way I use it, is just like if I want to know something, like things that I would have Googled, but like Chad just makes it easier because I don't have to like click through to like a link to like read some blog to find out like what year this president died or some shit like some random thing that I like want to know or whatever, you know.

But then you can take it further too because it's like even the therapy thing that we were talking about. I mean, I actually, I've read an article about this there. There's so many people using AI for therapy. And it's probably pretty good. Not even therapists, but it's just if I go on, if I go to chat GBC right now and say,

hey, I'm down, life is hard, oh, blah, blah, blah, give it the whole sob story. It's like, it's going to basically give you some advice that is realistically probably like 99% the same as what an actual real therapist would say, you know? So it's accurate like that? It's not always accurate, but it's like for, for questions, like at times there will be situations in your life that are way too complicated that like you probably wouldn't want to ask the AI, but I do feel like the AI is able to like, you know, a lot of the things that you might be dealing with in life are things that are millions of other people have,

have dealt with. And they write about these things in forums and they write about it on blogs and it's online. And the AI just takes all that information and just is able to like process it. You know, so it is kind of like the most amazing technology in the world, but then also it can kind of ruin life. I think for a lot of people. My head, bro. So how does that shit work? Like, is it like people behind our computers, like just like, oh, how to fuck that shit work? No people. Well, there's people like doing work on the back end to like, you know, like,

sometimes the AI will, like, want to go in a direction that it needs to be pushed in, you know, like, if you go to the AI and ask it, like, like, there's been times where different AI is like, you, you would just start to say like, hey, I'm Hitler. Like, I want to fucking exterminate half of society or whatever. And then people have to go into the fucking AI and basically be like, hey, be, be less like Hitler. Like if they ask you this, like don't say you're Hitler. You know, like to basically like make it behave better because sometimes it'll just wow out. But I can say that even in the last couple of years, it's just gotten so much better

because they've worked out so many of the kinks, you know? That's wild, bro. Only shit I know about AI is that damn, they're making these SSDs go up, bro. I used to get the little T-9s of Samson's because I mean, we... Oh, I heard about that. That was way more extensive now. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck? I was snatching these stuff for like, oh, hundred. Now they're like a ban, bro. I'm like, God damn. I'm about to start. flocking and pushing some SSDs, bro, straight up. Because that shit is like, yeah, but I mean, I don't know shit about AI, bro.

Straight up. That's a good thing to get familiar with. But at the same time, I feel like the divide in society as the years go by is going to be like, you have like the average person who's on their phone all the time and they use AI for everything or whatever. And then you're going to have like a whole different sect of society that's like the, I feel like if you walk into a party and everybody's on their phone, phone and then there's like a couple people that aren't on their phone like chances are those are like the coolest people in the room there those are the people that are like most equipped sometimes

when i'm like around young people and i'm just talking like freely just talking about whatever sometimes i feel like i have this like superpower that i developed because i was around before everybody was just on their phone 24-7 that's crazy you know because i like how many motherfuckers have sweater on his chair bro i'm feeling up on my shirt back usually people have their shirt on but oh for real so i'm good damn shit. Yo, about, okay, I want to ask you this question because when Laura, my publicist, she asked me, she goes, do you want to interview Devour? And I can look into it for a second. I'm like, oh yeah, I know this guy is, let's do it. And she's like, well, I think Lush wanted

to do it or Lush would have done it, but he's in rehab or whatever. And I'm like, okay, that's cool. And then before I come in here today, one of my guys sends me a clip of Lusch fucking dissing you on a podcast. And, His specific claim was he goes, that fool been from three different hoods since I've been a fan of him. Like, he's a hood hopper. He's a turf hopper. And I'm like, damn, bro. Like, lushly.

And tell his fucking broke ass, I'll pay him tan bands, bro. If he could find a neighborhood that said I got put on and put off. Really? He said it like it was gospel. Like it was just like written in stone and I'm just not knowing anything. And I'm just like, damn, bro. He'd feel hell of a song about this. Yeah.

I never did none to do, bro, you know? but I mean, shout out to him, bro, you know, like, if you really feel some type of way, I'll see him from a real later and you can just address it, bro, you know, but. Now, you got to fuck him up, yeah. Bro, I don't want to almighty him. Like, bro, I'd be a bully at that point, bro, you know, like, I'll beat the shit out of lush, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I just, I'm not in that space, bro.

Not a lot of girls that would beat him up, yeah. I mean, his girl used to beat him up. Yeah, yeah. I love the guy, but I just don't. Sometimes I don't understand the things that he does. But when I said that, I'm like, damn, you feel strong. only about this, like, that's a weird thing to feel so strongly about if you don't really know. You don't know me, bro, at all.

Like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He probably, I don't know, bro. He probably just smoked up, man. Smoked out. Straight up. Hey, bro, you don't argue with crackheads, bro. That's one thing you don't do. Because people from a distance will think you're a crackhead.

It lowers your standard, bro, you know? Yeah. I'm going to get on his ass about that. I got to figure out where he's getting his information from. Yeah. And when you find out, let me know, though. I'll give you the drop on them. You can just run down on them.

I don't need that. No. You have MacArthur Park, right? Oh, I don't know. Like, post-detox, like, will you still be at MacArthur Park? We don't really know. It's not the best place to get sober, I don't think. That's cool.

I don't know. Yeah. So, all right, where's your head at right now in terms of, like, music and what you feel like you really need to do to get your shit cracking the way you want to. to be. Just stay consistent, bro. Like, just find a liking to be on my phone more, you know, like, and just keep driving music, bro, you know. I see the, I see the momentum building again. It feels, it feels cool, bro, you know, like, but I think just building my team, you know, like, like I said, she's so vital to the team, bro, you know, like, and just, I don't know,

bro, like, finding that machine that, you know, is really going to push you, bro, you know, like and once I get there I know it's gonna happen bro like I look at Nip you know like I feel like if Nip was still here bro I feel like maybe another project after victory lap if not one too he would have been a modern day two-pock bro straight up I don't give a fuck what I ain't yeah no I was starting to come together when he passed for sure when he passed bro you know so good things I mean well great things take time bro you know and I mean I'm just keep right you know tunnel vision to the shit like yeah yeah like to ask you shit just building the team, bro, you know, like, I don't want to sign right now.

But, I mean, if it's going to be beneficial and they understand the game plan and they're going to take that shit to a whole other level because, I mean, we've seen that they can do that. I mean, they can run the show. And we're going to run that shit, bro, you know, but until then, just stay busy, stay low and stay focused, bro, straight up. Yeah. Anybody you, like, want to work with that you haven't worked with yet, anybody that stands out? You seem like you don't really pay that much attention to the hot new rappers and shit, huh?

I have, bro, like I said, I've been so tapped out. Like, I don't know who doing what, bro, you know? And like, it's crazy because a lot of these rappers, like, they could be booming, but on the street, they're some fucking, they just some boys, bro. Like, they ain't really like that, you know? So if I can't jump in your car and bump your music, I just don't like, bro, like, I don't see a point in to me getting on the song with you right now, bro, you know? Like, maybe I could get in the studio with you and change the narrative and do a song where,

because I know I make bangers, bro, you know? Like, but, I mean, I don't know. There's just a lot of fuckery going on, bro, and people hide behind these microphones and shit, and, I mean, I don't know, but off the top of my head, bro, I would love to get some shit in with Roddy Ridge, bro. I would love to get some shit in with little baby, bro, you know. I would love to get some shit in with, who else?

Like, who else would be dope? I mean, shit, that's probably it for now, straight up. For sure. You wiped up? Yes, sir. How's that going? Great. That's probably good, right?

Long-term situation or newer one? No, that's my, that's a baby right there, bro. I'm talking about never missed a visit, none of that shit. I'm going on 17 years with her, bro. 17. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't the, I wasn't perfect, bro, you know, but she's still still by my side, bro, you know. And that's something that you can't pay for or replace, bro.

And I got to tell her, I'm like, damn, baby. Like, I know I, I know you were meant for me. I just hope I was meant for you, you feel me? Because like you said, she could get rocky, but the problem in the relationship was always me, bro you know but yeah i mean going through what i went through the shit it really just makes you think about what's important in life bro you know like don't get me wrong i stuck out the homegirls and shit bro you know but they be in the videos like all that shit like yeah it's really up to me to show her that she stands in that position and nobody else bro you know that's real shit yes sir um

all right what's your message to the people out there in terms of like what you want them to go listen to or follow you on, like whatever services, social media-wise, you use the most? Whatever you want to tell them, man. Just type in Devour anywhere, bro, you know? And to the people that have been rocking with me, I just want to let y'all know that if it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't be here today, bro, you know? And I got a project on the way. Finally, you know, like it's called Preveal.

I was about to leak the date, but I'm not sure if I should do that. So I'll probably just keep that. But this far, I'll say this far, it's going to drop. And it's time to play ball, bro, correct, you know? And I'm excited for this shit. I feel like I got my light back, bro, you know? Straight up, man. I ain't slowing down for shit, you know, straight up, bro.

No, I'm excited to see all that, yeah. Yes, sir. What's up with you, though, bro? Like, what's your plans? Like, I know you've been pushing this shit for a while and shit. Like, what you got in the works? Like, what's up with Adam? Man, they don't even know.

They don't know. They don't know? They don't know. But yeah, I got some shit in the works, man. That's tight, bro. Shit, it's changing up by the day, you know? In a good way or bad way? Shit, I don't know.

I'm way worse. So whatever happens, happens. I mean. Let the people know, bro. You're talking about let the people know. Let the people know, bro. Shit, man. I don't know. I might just have to let the demon out on them a little bit more, you know? Run that. Shit up. I got a question for you, bro. What's up with the stigma or like this little like vibe y'all got over here talking about this, this cop, this cop central. This the feds over here. Like, like, how you feel about that? Oh, you know, I feel like we've had, you know, like certain interview questions, you know, even like with a conversation that we had, people are going to

be people who aren't paying very close attention are going to say you're trying to get him locked up without realizing that we're talking about shit that you already did time for you know and then like we have had like flaco used to work here and flaco is i don't know if you know him he's a YouTuber and he basically like has a YouTube channel where he tries to like solve unsolved murders in the hip-opsy you know he's like hard at work on solvin drako's murder right now somebody got killed a marathon burger in long beach he's hard to work on basically like he law enforcement yeah damn near like Like, you know, he's trying to, like, call out who's going to get indicted for this Marathon Burger shooting before it happens.

And to be fair, I mean, he got a hell of video footage. So, I mean, it ain't like he's just, like, making shit up, you know, he really believes what he's saying or whatever. But he, he, like, he, like, he, like, gang affiliated? Nah, he's from, like, well, he's from Africa. And then he moved to North Dakota when he was, like, a little kid. And he lived out here for a little while, but now he lives in North Dakota again, I think. And he's just basically, like, just. So he's just, like, a regular person, like, a law by and a citizen?

Just a fat African guy, yeah. Nah, that's crazy, bro. That's wild. No, he's great, but, I mean, obviously, a lot of people feel a certain way about in trying to solve all that shit. And, like, I don't know. I mean, I feel like it's kind of hard to be like, oh, y'all are like the police at a certain point when it's like, bro, like, every, like, what is academics doing?

What is Vlad doing? What is trouble? All these people are doing the same shit. Like, it's not, I don't know. I've never had my interviews used in a courtroom. I've never had my interviews used to, lock somebody out, but I know people who are not the people who are under fire. That has that happened all the time, you know?

The police be running down on you for on behalf of the people and shit? Yeah. They came here like a couple weeks ago trying to talk to me about the Drake or murder, but I wasn't there and they never came back. Stan, that's crazy. But I also have nothing, like, what am I going to tell him? Like, I wasn't there. I got to tell you.

Yeah, the information I have is the same exact information that y'all seen online. So I watched the same videos as you. I was the same 1090 Jake video as you. Besides that, I don't get shit. So, like, damn, bro, like, if there's a Mount Rushmore for all this, like, because I'm tapping into this podcast shit, too, interviews and all that, like, who are some other good people to go pull up on, bro?

Like, for interviews or? Just like, yeah, like, just try to like build with it. Like, not necessarily go and be homies with them, but just like I'll put up on you, bro, you know? Like. You should do Vlad. I'll have Vlad for you. I bet he might be done.

Yeah, I heard of Vlad for sure. Yeah, he's like got kind of like a different audience than us is more, a little more professional or older audience, I think. But that was probably like the main in LA I want to just go In general like bro I got back from Miami I've been moving around bro

Like I ain't never went nowhere But last year I hit like 12 13 states If I was her I'll probably say like Dude Vlad Vlad Don't do all the rinky dink

As little LA podcast realistically It just ain't really doing anything for you It's just kind of a waste of time And Yeah And besides that Just like anything that like

Could expand your audience You know But as far as is hip-hop. It's like, if you do no jumper or Vlad, then, like, you've kind of, like, there's all these, like, cool New York podcasts and stuff, but I also feel like you probably, like, might take some time before, like, they would understand, you know, yeah, like a California rapper, like, the standard for, like, New York dudes want an interview.

I was, like, way higher because they don't know what the fuck is going on out here, you know? Yeah. But, yeah. We're talking about New York, bro. What's the, I got another question for you, like, who's some artists you feel like have broke past L.A. and made it to New York, like, on some, like, Westcold shit. Or just in general, bro. regional now that it's like it's tough

you know it's like who the fuck is able to like emerge from their bubble even when we talk about draco drago jaco is so huge in LA drago's a motherfucker mystery to new york besides like the real hardcore fans who are gonna go figure it out or whatever it don't sound like the sound of their city

and they just are not like on average like you know but once in a while like i'll be real EBKJ bow I'm I'm in Chicago doing an interview with Q50 him and his boys are like so you know J-Boh. Like they want to know about J-Bo.

Like J-Bo managed to cross over. He might have to go sit down for a better part of a decade, which sucks. No, he busted? Yeah, they got him in Alabama with hell of guns and drugs and shit. So he's, I don't know. I mean, the last time I talked to him, he sounded like he was pretty optimistic about it. But, like, it's like, it's tough to make, like, other regions care about you. You know, that's like the highest challenge, I feel like.

You think it's like that coming from everywhere? It's just like when you come from L.A. getting out of LA. I feel like LA has like a unique problem where like LA street shit gang culture etc. is like so important to LA. It's like hard for most LA rappers like think about making music that doesn't kind of revolve around that. And then like to the rest of the world it's kind of like we don't care. Like we don't really want to hear about what's going on in your neighborhood or whatever. But in general they want to hear about crazy shit. But like I don't know because that's the weird thing is it's like why is like the BDGD

Chicago gang dynamic. Why is that really interesting to the average person? But then like... So they mean hockey shit down over there. Yeah. But then it doesn't feel like people are like dying to hear

like Hoover versus Rolling 60s music. You know, like that just doesn't seem as like sexy to... I've never heard of Chicago person being like, oh, you gotta... Like, I want to know more about like LA gang beefs.

Like, no, they feel like they get it. They've seen colors and menace of society and they feel like they got it, you know? That's wild, Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. So, like, back to these rappers, bro. Like, who do you think some rappers I should tap in with?

Like, that would be a cool, like, like, like, man, you should run some shit up with this dude or like this dude and shit. That's a good question. I don't fucking know, man. This shit dries off. Who do you bump, bro? Like, what's on your playlist? Like, uh, boo shysdy.

It's like my primary rapper, I would say, at this moment. Poo? Man, he busts it too, huh? Yep. You think he's going to beat that shit? Hell no. I mean, I would love it if he did, but I don't really. You better have an ace up his sleeve.

I've been listening to. I was so listening to old Gucci. You let me down, but, you know, I tried to listen to the new future. Didn't care. Why you say he let you down? You're telling. Oh, he's telling? Told on poo, yeah. That's kind of weird.

No, not Gucci. I'm not listening to Geese. You should collab with geese. Who's geese? Just this fucking weird rock band from New York. I'll run that. Straight up. You know about geese?

Hell no. You don't know about geese. Oh, all right. Cool. Let me write this shit down. Let me see. They're hard. Let me see geese.

Yeah, you got a fucking geese, man. How you spell that shit? G-E-E-E-S-E. G-E-E-E-S-E. You say it's a rock band? Do some fucking beatles type shit. Fuck it, bro. Some new wave, like.

There you go. Who else? There gotta be some other people you bump, bro. I mean, I'm just saying it's dry right now, but I'll listen to Jet Beasy out here. Jet Beezzy. Let me see. Yeah, B-K-E-Z-Y. B-K-E-Z-Y?

Yeah, he's a killer. Every song is about killing people. Um, I don't know, like, really, but, you know, every song he's, like, telling you, like, he got body stuff, you know. So, like, he's probably telling the truth. Nah, he's lying. I still live a real young OG sometimes. You know, this is a dude named Hardinard from Atlanta that I like.

I've been listening to, like, his shit. But, yeah, it's pretty dry. You're talking about bodies, bodies? Yeah. Basically saying like that type of body. That's your work. Dear God. This is getting demonic.

Yeah, yeah, that kind. Yeah, but. He said that's your work. Yeah, that's kind of distracting. Kind of distract. Yeah. No, but he like, many of his songs, the basic message is like,

if you ain't got a body, you're a fucking loser. Which is, this seems very destructive for the society. What's his artist's name? Jet Beezie. Jet Bezzy. Jet Bezzi. Yeah. He's from L.A.?

Yeah. Okay, okay. What part? Oh, he's from East Coast Crip, right. Okay, okay. Shit, it probably makes a shit happen, bro. He's happening, bro. He's happening?

He's going up, like, he got numbers and shit? Yeah, he'd be going up. That's tight, bro. For sure. Damn, so nobody else? Nobody else get that Adam play? What's up with Drake? Hey, what's up with Drake and Kendrick?

Who side you on? Nah, Kendrick. Why? Yeah. That's a fucking PG-Langer right there, man. He hates it. I'm a body here. He came to do security for me one day.

He had a PG-Lang hat on my. I'm like, what the fuck is this? Nah. That's cool. That's cool, man. You got to support Kendrick getting his bread, but you can wear that hat around me. We're going to pack you out.

Miles. Hey, trying to go up. Okay, I see you. That's crazy. All right, all right. Yo, I got a dip, buddy. It was great talking, man.

Like, gosh, bro. Appreciate it. We're going to flush up. Yes, sir. Lush pack in the air. Lush K. Nick Kay. Um

He in rehab shout out to me for being in rehab bro, you feel me yeah yeah but I mean it's whatever

you want to sign the wall oh yeah look I got something for you bro oh shit let me hit the shit let me see

let me just running the shit up bro you can do whatever you want with it I'm gonna leave this shit here for you bro I made it I'm over here

yes sir fire there we go that's all you we're gonna put it up here bow yeah sir somewhere

somewhere somewhere that motherfucker fit in straight up We're going to make it happen. Hey, Devour. Yes, sir. No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world.

Appreciate you, Doug. Yes, sir. Likewise, bro. Like, comment, subscribe. Go check my man's music out on all streaming services. Yes, sir. And we'll be back real, real soon. Appreciate you, dog.

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