No Jumper - Digi Prada on Falling Out with Rooga, FBG Duck, Getting Kidnapped by the GDs & More

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today we're tapping in. I got my man Remo with me. And we tap in in with the man himself, Digi Prada, formerly known as Thunkey Man. Yeah. Come on man. Formerly known as. So, okay, we've discussed you at great length on this podcast before.

You've even made an appearance on here before. Right. But you rocked and shocked the internet the other day by coming out, basically letting us know that you no longer be formally affiliated with The collective that you've previously done a lot of work with. Yeah, so we've actually been away from each other for some time. I say like two and a half years now. And every time I go to Chicago to do business, there's certain people I can't work with because of who I worked with in the past.

Okay. Now, I haven't said anything to the internet about us splitting up or anything. So in everybody's eyes, I'm still locked in with J.E. I'm still around. FBG, everybody, you know, everything. I think it's BCR now, BCE. I don't know. But they think I'm just tied in with everybody.

And not only do I make their music is I showed up on a no jumper interview with the artist. So they take that personal, you know. So it's been stopping a lot of business. So I made a post just talking about basically don't affiliate me with them, you know. But you didn't just say, J.C., you kind of in the post. You was like, all right. Yeah, I said the GDs. And that the GD say they're blackballed and all that.

I said that because it's like that little saying in the little click of over there in Chicago. They always complaining about the GD's being blackball. But, like, I don't know. Rugg always had this saying, you can't blackball talent. You feel me? But it's like when you do bad business, that shit gets in the way, too. Well, when did it become bad business? I think with the whole everything, when everybody on that side was starting to act up,

like, yellow, I think that had a big play to do with it. Of the bad business between you and Ruga? What? Or you're talking about the early, like a long time ago and, yeah. I'm talking about just when everybody started doing this for the internet. I would say like when Doug passed away, I would say everybody started crashing out on the internet. You talking about the J-Men. You're saying the J-Ds?

Oh, yeah, that whole little click. That little side from Chicago, I felt like everybody started running to the internet instead of like just making music and just working, if that makes sense, you know. Everybody was rappers. Now they're all, they're all comedians now. They're all podcasters now. So like. I ain't a lot. It's a lot to get. All right, so let's keep on with the Rooka.

All right, so you came up here, you're saying there's bad business between you and Rougou, but when. He's trying to make it, he trying to go on the internet make it seem like we fell out over beats and percentages. That's what he said, because I hollered at him on the phone. He said it was just like. No, bro, we never had like. It was more personal?

Yeah, it was more personal. We had actually fell out over the percentages when I was living over there with them, but we had talked it out. We had came to an agreement and everything. You feel like we worked it out. Yeah. It was nothing like, it's not like we'd, We disagreed at a certain point, but I'd say after like a day or two, we talked it out.

I just went over to his house while they were writing the album down and everything on the whiteboard, and I was like, we need to talk about this. I don't feel right. I'm sitting in my car like, I don't know what's going on. Like, are we working on this? Because I'm out there for music. I'm not out there to fuck around, you feel me. I'm out there wasting my time and my, you know, my money just to be around and make music

and try to like get to that next level. That's what I thought was going to happen after all the, you know, I was just. I don't know. I was tricked. So, damn, tricked is crazy. All right. So where did this thing come from you and Rougu? Because you, like, all right. Yeah, we're trying to get to the root of it. But also, like, what were the glory days?

Like, how many years would you say you were actually locked in? I'd say, like, seven plus years, bro. I used to, yeah, like, my friends, like, my friends look out for me and give him rise to his, you know, to his my OG crib and stuff. Like, you know, because it would look good on me. You know, like, oh, let me do this for Ruger. Let me do this, you know, like, like we was, yeah. And how did you get locked in with them in? the first place. I, so I have a friend who produced a beat for him and Ruga stole that, not stole.

He used that beat off YouTube and didn't give that producer his percentage. So the producer came to me and was like, yo, this person stole my beat off YouTube and took my song or took my beat and ran with it. And I was like, yo, the song's at a million views, chill, just try to reach out to him. He was like, no, screw that. And I was like, all right, well, I'll reach out to him then. So I reached out to him. He was like, let's get in the studio. Let's link. We linked in the studio, first song we did Blickathon, did like a million views in two weeks. After that, we just looked at each other and was like, let's just lock in. Like, it only makes sense. Our first song did a million views in two weeks. Let's just keep going.

Yeah. Kept going, kept going, dropped the album together. The album did pretty good. So the album did pretty good. And that was not the first Chicago artist you was working with, though. No, I was working with like PBG Kimo. You know about PBG Kumo? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I was working with him. And that's when I met 16. Because I used to think PBG Kimo was 16 artists because he was. was like with him all the time.

Nah, he was just like shooting, you know, shooting the vlogs and like doing his camera work. But basically, chemo will come over to my house and record. And 16 will come and shoot the video. So that's when I met 16, locked in with 16. That's at a year. Like, what year is this? Like, what year are you thinking? I want to say 19.

2019. 18, 18, 19. Oh, I want to say. I want to say 18. Yeah, I met 16. I want to say 18 and 19. Because we got videos dropped from Blickathon, I think, in 18, 19. Oh, yeah.

16 way before Ruga and everybody. And I met Doug through Ruga because that's obviously blood. And at that time, had you never been really, like, fully associated with any, like, gang or street? No. Right. I moved there from Portland, Oregon.

Oh, right. So, like, I was, I basically had $1,000 saved up for a Honda Civic, and I was like, I just want to do beats. So I'm, my family's originally from Chicago. Yeah. So I was like, let me just buy it one way and just see what the fucking happened. So I bought it one way, lied to these people about housing,

saying that I went to the school because you can only stay at the housing if you went to school. So I told him I went to school and I just got a job and just worked my ass off on beats, ended up working with artists, and I've taken off.

So like, yeah, I wasn't affiliated with nothing. I just got jumped in that. The thing is, I'm not just like an internet producer. I'm going to show up to the studio. I'm going to make sure I'm getting pictures with you. I'm going to make sure we're growing as a brand. This is a business, you know? And I don't think the artist look at it like that.

Yeah, because that's kind of the advice that I would give to a young producer is like, oh, somebody's hopping on your beats they kind of with you you got to build that face-to-face rapport because it's like so easy to have a producer just be like an email that you're just going back and forth with that you never really get to know yeah and not even know that you're right next to but then meanwhile as a producer you could be a star you could be like a very very well-known name we've seen it done it's not easy but you can make it happen you know sure yeah no yeah for sure so all right

so give us a little backstory to like you just starting to make beats anyway so you you on Oregon just making beats for the fuck of it? Like, how you even get in music? Yeah, so I started out EDM and then I changed friend groups. And then, yeah, from there, just end up doing trap beats, hip-hop beats, influenced by Chicago at the time, like Lil' Mouse. And I want to say, yeah, I would say really just Lil' Mouse at the time. It was just heavy on Little Mouse.

That's what really like the beats I was listening to. And then ended up moving to Chicago. And I didn't know, what was crazy is, I didn't know one person in Chicago. when I moved there. That's because that's a one person. Because you said you bought a one-way flight, not even knowing you- The rest I used on the crib for the UIC crib. That's the college out there.

It was like $400 for rent and it was with five Indians, so I was sleeping in like a freaking, it was like, they told me it was a room, but it was like just like a hallway with no door or nothing. I was like, fuck it, it's dug it out, just did what I had to do, you know? Right. And at the time your family's supporting this, what they think? What they think. I didn't really tell them what I was on, really.

I told them I was trying to do music. Everybody, my family kind of told me like, they didn't tell me not to do it, but they was like, hey, if this doesn't work out, like, don't be sad. Like, one in a million, make it in music. But they didn't know at the time that internet was booming. And you know, and you know, your chances are really high of, you know, working with people who you always dreamed of working, like, you know, so. So did you move to Chicago looking for the drill sound or you just moved out there?

Yeah, for sure. No, yeah, for sure. Like, I went in there, like, I remember when slide was going to be, you know, going crazy on the internet and just the radio and I remember just being like I want to work with whoever this is and I googled it and it was Doug and then like I didn't even ask to work with Doug that's what crazy all this just felt like like just in my hand for just working hard like I feel like when you work hard you don't have to really ask for things like it just starts lining up you know so like I don't know how I got put in that side the thing is is that side always

told me that I could work with whoever I wanted to they never said you can't work with them. I felt like OTF was more like that because I seen Vaughn went on the cameraman and he was like, we're fucking up cameramen's and everybody on that side. And it's like, damn, like but Rugal was always like you could work with whoever, just don't put us in the same room and we're good.

Like, he always stressed that. Like, did you, don't let us stop your bag. Like, don't let us. But the other side, they don't look at it like that. You feel me? Like, that's one thing I will give them is they'll always like, I would link with T600. I know deep down Ruger didn't like it but, you know, it's business.

like and he always told me that they pulled me off to the side was like if you let us get in your way of your bag up we're gonna you up like you need to get out there and you know so rubble was uplifting and telling you go get your money like and you ain't got nothing to do with exactly but it's the other side that I feel like just no one wants to with who I was with with it's just that it's kind of like the gang or the party that's in power can call more of the shots and can like be a little bit more controlling because they know that the other side doesn't have as much to offer. Whereas somebody like Ruga, he's probably like actually thinking like, yo, I'm going to lose access to this producer. He's not even going to fuck with us at all if I really like corner him off into just fucking with us. So to him, that's almost like a survival mechanism as well, I think. Yeah.

Right. Now, yeah, it's crazy because like, it's crazy because there's a producer who signed the OTF and he had hit me up in the DMs like you're a huge inspiration and everything. Now, once my interview with, I think Ruga came out. He got signed to OTF and we haven't talked since then. Like, I'm not going to say anything. I haven't said anything to it. I already know what's going on.

Yeah. I know they probably told him, you know, whatever. But like it's just crazy how that can like stop a relationship from two people. He's from, he's not even from Chicago either. So like having two people who aren't from Chicago producing for Chicago artists, like we can't even work together anymore. It's like, or what? Like, because the two heads feel some type of way.

All right, but 50-50 on that, right? because it's like one of the songs, because I talked to Ruega on the phone recently, when all this shit popped off, I was trying to see like, what one left with y'all? Like, I ain't know you did the For Ducks song. So that's one of the Ruga's biggest songs

where he on there kind of like responding to the shit. So I could see in a way while he'll feel like, all right, he's doing the For Ducks songs. So like he's down there with the GD. And I did the I'm from 63rd song. So in a way, it seemed like the songs you're doing is kind of like placing you in that box. Yeah.

But like, you feel like, You feel indifferent about it? Like, you feel like, all right, if I do a drill song with this and on one side, then you should be able to do a song with this on the other? I see what you're saying. I mean, it's business. Some people get away with it. I feel it.

The way I look at it is I'm just sending the beat. Whatever you do with it after, that's on you. Like, that's on you. So you wasn't at the music video shoot or anything? Like, how much of that do you get involved? No, no, I wasn't at that one. No, right, right, right. I mean, I'll be behind the scenes at some of them, but not.

I don't think any disc songs, though. I don't think I've pulled up. I don't think I want to pull up to something like that too. What if you were shooting a video or you were there and they were doing a video where there were dissing people, would you like definitely not be in that video in particular? It was like a real diss song? You were always kind of trying to play both sides. No, yeah.

No, for sure. Definitely. Was you always trying to play both sides? At one point, you felt like, all right, I'm with the GD. So I am locked on the GDs. I was trying to play everything. Like, that's why I linked with take 600 or take a phone out. I feel like that's why I did all that.

And I was also talking with a THF twin for E-PAS. the way like there's people who they didn't really sides with and especially with uh them beefed wafonzo and everything like and i was rocking with fonzo and kj to god and all them tough like they didn't really like that you know so so it's kind of just forcing you to have to like pick relationships i really i really i really held it down because i believed in the business like i looked it as a business like okay we all like me i don't know if you know billy uh billy cocke yeah the video guy we me and him and ruga all met in the same week week. So it was crazy how we all, like it was producer, cameraman, artist, and we all were like,

all just going to work for free. We're all just going to get this down the line or down the road later. Like we'll talk about it later type of. Now we're all kind of like split. It's like, so Billy and Rueba don't rock with each other. They're cool. They're cool. I know they're still working for sure. I see them. So you're just more so like kind of split. All right. So let me ask for this thing. It's not like the three heads is there anymore. You feel me? It's like It's just anchored away. Like, I feel like that motion that we had with, every song we dropped was doing like 500,000 views plus,

you feel me, like instantly. The three heads being duck, Ruga and... Me, Billy, and Ruga. Oh, okay, okay. Just like, as a, like, the team, you feel me? Right. Just building our foundation. J-H-E, I guess.

Yeah. But do you feel like Ruga had, like, the business mind state to actually take serious? I did. I did, I did, because he was moving a lot smarter than, like, a lot of the artists out there. Like he always told me like there's a lot of a lot of people like to play with guns and stuff you feel me but he always showed you that you don't got to go nowhere with a gun because

you just don't put yourself in the position where you go somewhere where you wouldn't need one like he's really a lot he's smarter when it comes to business like that's the thing is he always say that I got paid and stuff but it's like he trying to make it seem like it was under his like his vouch for like he had nothing he had a manager at the time yeah and the manager pulled up at me I was bartending at the or not barbacking at the time and he pulled pulled up with the contracts and was like sign this because we didn't agree on stuff. So I was like, no, I need 50-50 because I did my research. And he was like, all right, he pulled up and it said 50-50.

I was like, for real, he was like, sign it. Or I'm going, I'm going to kick the manager off to the side. Now I'm stuck with this 50-50, which I know he doesn't want me to have. You feel me? I know Ruga doesn't deep down, doesn't want me to have 50-50. He thought you should get less than the 50s? Exactly, because the conversations we had. when we fell out, like before we fell out, like there was way different, you know, way different.

All right, so let's talk about that. So, all right, you had a deal where you was getting 50% of the song? Of the song and publishing. That is a high-ass percentage, though. It's a high percentage, but it's like there was no label at the time. So there was no money behind it. We were just dropping on YouTube. So it was like, I'm willing to drop percentages down if you're going to show me money that you're going to put into marketing.

Because that's money I'm not coming up with to market the song. So if you show me like, I got 10 bands, 20 bands. I'm going to take down 20, 30%. You can have that because you putting in money to make it go up. But if you just drop it on YouTube, like, I need that 50. Like, I got to eat. I'm up at 3, 4 in the morning making these beats for you so you could wake up and write. Like, I need to eat too.

See, it's like this, it's like this weird situation because it's like, all right, a lot of the Chicago guys who are making music, they didn't know what they had either at one point. And then maybe you probably didn't know all y'all guys didn't know what it was going to be, right? So it seemed like you guys were just making music all coming together. But then when you go back and look at the business side of it, it's like, damn, 50% of a song is a lot when you go look at it. Technically, because I think about it.

Especially you got somebody else on the song. You're all getting 33. And now, yeah. That's what they don't like it. Never mind. You got two producers on it. Now you're getting 25. Right, right.

So was it a situation where after you felt like, hey, because Ruga probably didn't want to give you 50%. I feel like that's why we, honestly, because there was a time where we were working for like three or four years. And then once he got introduced to EA and all that, we had stepped away for a second. I don't know. I felt like I don't know if he didn't want to,

I don't know why he didn't want to bring me around. Who knows, I'm not really like worried about that. But the thing is I just wanted to keep making music. But he had stepped away and that's when I started gravitating towards $6,700. Bonzo and then he didn't like that. So I felt like there was also that in the air that like, because they were going out of it. at the time with Alfonso stealing from them

and all that one. Oh yeah, because somebody supposedly stole his bar about the career or something. So I could feel some tension. Didn't really bring it up to him though, but I could feel some tension like, but it's not even like, like, I don't pick size, don't do that. And then you're really getting put in a box where it's like, all right, so all the BDs and

OTF and all them ain't with me, but then even within the GDs, now we're having to sort of section off the GDs. Like, you know, you got issues with half of these and I'm in the middle of that one. It's like, man, bro. like, you know, like. But then after the yay, basically what happened was he went with Yay, did all what he did,

did the, what is it, down to one, down to two. Down to one, down two, maybe for wolves, no, or after wolves, before wolves. So he did the dawn, the tour too, right? Because he was a part of the tour. He did the opening. I remember he opened up in the arena in Chicago. Oh, yeah. Performed the GD anthem.

Yeah. That's what they didn't like. Yeah, they was sick about that. I just seen a hug. Because that's the one that, Dirk talked about an academics interview, right, where he was supposed to be there, and then he had to tell yay, like, it ain't happening. Yeah.

Yeah, that shit. It's crazy, though, but... You said you just seen who? You was going to say, I seen... I seen Aidan Ross from the other day that he was talking about... He was rocking GD hard on there. You're saying on GDN, on GDN. Yeah, yeah.

But that was at the time where that song was going up. Yeah. So it was just funny how, like, just one song... Who did that beat? You didn't do that beat? Mm-mm. So, all right, so when did you and Ruga? have the talk where it's like, oh, you, 50% might be too much.

Because obviously, y'all... This was in Vegas, I'd say, a couple years ago. I was in Vegas for a year with them. Towards the end of the year of me being with them, that's when we kind of, like, I think we talked like a month before I left because it was like, I don't know, bro, just it wasn't it. I felt like I was being used out there.

Like, I felt like all the motion from all the yay stuff kind of died down, and then they needed someone to come, some parts of shit. Like, this shit crazy, bro. Like, I don't know. Like, imagine showing up, I was driving a Ford Flex at the time. Imagine showing up to a Grammy after party and a Ford Flex. Because we ain't got no car to going or nothing.

Like, come on, bro. Like, that's why it's so frustrating because everybody thinks I'm living this yay dream and I'm out here getting all this and around yay. But it's like, bro, I'm just trying to make beats and find the next artist, you know. Like, I'm not even working with them anymore. whatever, you know. I'm not trying to say too much, but you know, you see where I'm going. Did you feel like Ruga changed up a bit from the yay thing?

Like, because he supposedly got like a lot of money from that, right? Like, did you see him start acting differently as a result of that? A lot of people, if they get a couple hundred grand, they're going to act different. Yeah, but like, I don't mind it because I'm just trying to make music. Like if we're not making music, that's when I don't mind it because it's like, come on, bro. Like, we didn't start. Like, you don't got to, you don't got to give me nothing. Just put me in a room and, like, let's work.

You know? But like, I don't know. Everybody's like, oh, I know you just seen you with Ye. And it's like, bro, I never met around. Yeah, like, what are you talking about? They're just assuming that because, yeah, because I'm so locked in with Ruga. You would think, you would think, you know. But like, you're going to spend time.

Like, he gets offered to spend time and work with the, like, Kanye, the most influential rap producer, like, ever, like, one of the most influential producers ever. You'd think you would probably maybe bring his producer. Like, that would make sense, yeah. Yeah. I mean. But at the time, to be fair, you said you was hanging out with his ops a little bit. So like, it's kind of like a-

I brought them together. Like my crib, I remember, this is how blind I was to Chicago. Yeah. I had J-G-E over and I was like, okay, they GDs. And I have met KJ to God through 16. I was like, okay, they're GDs. I was like, what if I put two GDs in a room? So I invited both of them over to make music.

I brought one of Ruggers homies. I don't want to bring Ruger right. about Fat Boy just to like ease it out. Fat Boy ended up getting along with KJ. And it was like, I was like, y'all gotta like, let's get in the mix. So they got in the mix. KJ did a song with Ruga.

They all started mixing and then Fonzo went on the tour with them with the big buggy and that whole situation fell out with him stealing money, being with J.A.G and stuff, but like, I don't know, like, and like she never went missing at my crib when Fonzo and then was at my crib. But she was missing when J.E.T. is there. Honestly, I think that, like,

I feel like the people Ruga around, like he not even, I feel like that's why his mindset stuff you're wrong with wrong people like I don't know you're just you're seeing hurt too though it's frustrating bro holding it down six seven years plus for somebody who just

like I don't know you just kind of like threw it in my face because I felt like I was invited out to Vegas because he fucked off whatever whatever the Kanye situation yeah that whole I felt like personally I got brought

into Vegas because of that all right so break it down when you say brought into Vegas because like we so you was living in Chicago you was living in Vegas I was in Chicago and then I had moved I think back to Portland for like three months three or four months just you know because I was I was away from my dad the whole time and my mom so I was like I need to spend time with them like yeah getting old and everything so I go back and he calls me did you we need to get back to it did you I need you know the last song we had bro it went up and this is and this is why he was working with Kanye

and she did you get that phone now this was after after after after all that. So I get the phone call and then I go out there and I mean don't get me wrong. He's still locked in with yay. Bro still right. Yeah, yeah. For sure. I'm not going to say who, but like some big people. But yeah, this was this was during, after all that shit, this wasn't during it, you know. So that's what people think is like, how was there during it? Now we had stepped away. So then got locked back in after that show. Kind of made me think that we were going to be locked in. I was there for eight months, eight, nine months. And then, um, all right, hold on question.

This go around, do you know this? Y'all have a talk about splits this time or is already in the area? We just know. We just like, we, I felt like we were the type that just knew like, all right, it's 50, 50. Like, even still after the gay shit. Yeah, even when I flew back out, felt like it was that. Now, that was right when I got back. Right when I flew there, though.

When I got to Vegas, I felt like that was the, that was the narrative. It was like, all right, 50, 50, you know, I would say six or seven months in, that's when we had the talk. It was like, okay, like, this ain't going to work out because they was working on an album. And his album was supposed to drop in December. And then it moved to January. Then it moved to Valentine's. And I was just like, what are we doing?

Like, but he couldn't pay for the producers to get their beats, they get all the rights. And I'm sitting here telling them, you got a producer in front of you who's willing to do all this for free. Just, you know, just work with me. And he's like, you know, I just don't get it. Like, that's what it was. I got to be fair.

He said that he'll play like 40 of your beats. He said he'll play, 40-year beats had to skip through a lot of your shit. He's saying you're like this weak-ass producer, but it's like that doesn't really align with the fact that you guys had spent so much time together, made so many of his biggest songs, etc. Like that was kind of weird to hear him say that.

So I had started a producer group called Product Collective, and basically I have some producers out in Europe who would send me beats, and they loved Ruger's music. So me, I was like, okay, I'm around Ruger every day. Let me get y'all some, you know, let me do this for the group. Let me get y'all some beats for them.

So when he went on there trying to clown me, He's talking about, oh, the only beats are that are harder is you're not even making the beats. It's like, bro, I'm doing my job as like a producer. I'm trying to like really start a brand and start something like, I'm trying to start a business. And this is me trying to start a business. So you clowning me for trying to put my heart into something

is like, it's crazy. You feel me? Like that's like what? Like what are you even clowning? Like I'm over here trying to get other producers in the mix. Like he don't realize like the more producers you have, the better your music's gonna be. Especially because he just went off and got

probably more money than he ever made from his own music for writing music for other people. And you're kind of sitting there like, yeah, okay, like, I don't have the ability to go right for Kanye, you know? Like, so you're getting money somewhere else and you kind of clowning me for trying to, like, take the business more serious. Right. Now, yeah, I feel like they used me, bro. The whole, the house was on Section 8. They didn't even let me know. And they was having me pay the full rent talking about I was paying half.

So, like, wait, wait, wait, wait, way, way, way. Yeah, bro. Damn. Yeah, you get deep, bro. You got a break because right now. bro to be fair hold on to be fair i'm watching this and it just sounds the i'm looking at it's like it sounded like you was being a little greedy 150 percent so that's why we were like damn i can you get this 2000 but now when you're saying like that so break it down

i feel like they really flew me out there to pay off that crib for them and what's crazy and this is after the kane was all after there's after i feel like me personally i feel like he fucked off all the money. Like, he f***ed off all the money, and then he needed Digi. Because Fat A had a kid. Ewell had a kid. They ended up moving out, traveling to jail. So now the crib's open.

He's like, oh, shit. Like, I'm gonna do. So now just Devo's over there, you feel me? It's me and Devo. And then that's when it's just me, Devo, and Ruga, no one else. And what year this is now? It's like two years ago. So, like 23, 24, I want to say.

So y'all all living in Vegas, but you say in the house on Section 8, and you're the only one paying up? on Section 8. He off doing his own, you know, he living good. All right. We, yeah, our crib's off section 8, but they having me paid full price. Now, we thinking about moving and getting up out of there, and that's when I check the prices on the places around here. What the hell? Why does it say it's this much? Why does it say it's this much, you know? That is crazy. That's pretty grimy. Is it, is that? Do Rueva know that? Because he got his own career. Yeah, he told me that. It was under his, it was under his people. It was under his people. He knew, and I called him out

on it and he denied it and then like I think a day later or something he had admitted to it he called me he was like hey this is really what's going on and I was like hey bro I would have never cared you just got to tell me like I'm here to work I would have paid the full price it's just I feel like I'm getting jimp now so then I pay half of that price and it's still not even what the you know what I'm saying what how much was rent at this time it was like a little under a thousand what I was paying a little under a thousand for it was like a super small two-bedroom you feel like like my dog couldn't even of moving that, that's tiny, you know, which I have no problem doing.

We just got to work, though, and let's make this money. But when I'm there for seven, eight months, we don't drop one song. I'm out there paying damn near for everything. Like, I don't know. Like, the only thing he has on me is I was $100 rent short, like, the last month. And he was just bugging over it, like, bugging. Like, I need that. I need that.

Like, did you? Like, you, like, you f***. Like, I'm like, bro, it's all. Like, and the only reason why I was 100 shorts because I was in L.A. paying for some of their shit like while we're out at the with the grimmies and stuff so and i explained that to him i was i spent a little extra money woo-d-woo so ruba was that's the only yeah that's though i felt like that's when i was just like bro i got to get out of here like so ruba took you to the gramees a hundred dollars grammy afters yeah yeah yeah damn so i'm a mulec yusif and uh

we went to tie dollar signs after party at his studio they ended up getting into it with the Tide all the sign. Wait, what? Over what? Man, over the security, looking at them weird. It was just us. Medieval, Ruga, fat boy, and they get into it with tied all the security and shit.

I'm like, bro. This is a good opportunity for me as a producer. Like, I was the first person to walk into a studio. Walked right up to him, shake his hand. My name's Digi. I was like, all right, bed was smooth. Hour or two later, we getting kicked out. I'm like, bro.

Like, this is, that's when I was just like, I got to get up out of here, bro. This is the wrong group to represent myself with, because like they had went and flew to Chicago to do like a basketball game or something like that. And that's when I was like, you got my shit, he did. So you did it on some like behind, like some sneaky shit where it's like. Got up out of there. Fat boy was still at the crib.

He was passed out on the couch. He woke up. D.G., where are you going? Like, I'm gone. Like, you're going to leave me here? I'm like, hell yeah. Because he didn't go to Chicago with him. He was in Vegas by himself.

So like he looked at it like, damn. You think that they're frustrated with the situation as well? For sure. They needed me. They needed me. They needed my car to pick people up. They needed me. Like, they needed my car.

Like, you know what it's like going to a Grammy after parties in a Ford Flex, Remo? That shit is, bro. You got to park like four blocks down. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, we were going to shows in the Ford Flex. I didn't see and Ruger would be 100 K's on the shoulder and stuff. I ain't know what you telling me this. Bro, that shit is going to be gone.

We're going to FaceTime me with the big. I don't know the internet. Yeah, we know that network. Yeah, because this is rap where it's like you take a picture with 100,000, people really think you have 100,000. And then you come and talk to me, what's behind the scenes, it's like, you wouldn't, like, the whole time I was in Vegas, they thought I was living this crazy facade life.

Like, I was like, whoa, no. That's what it looked like doing. I was babysitting. I was babysitting. Damn. I felt like it was, I was babysitting. Like, I don't know. I felt like.

Yeah, you know, you see how I feel. I'm just frustrated, bro. Yeah, you're frustrated, but it seemed like it's love there, but it's like also. His love for sure. It's just, all right, so. There's love for sure. He said that you're doing all this. So why come out and say all this now?

Because I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to be, I don't want nothing to do with J.E. The whole G. But that's why. I'm from 63rd, nothing. I don't want nothing to do with that. All right. Let's talk.

But he said, he basically saying that you cloud chasing a little bit because he said, like, I ain't had no. He said, y'all fell out like two years ago. so you this is all random. If anything, I learned this from him. Like, he had a king of the internet when it comes to, and every time he says, like, oh, I don't do the internet. Like, he texts, I could show the text.

I could literally show the text. He's like, I don't even do this internet. And then five minutes later, that's when he made all those posts of him tagging me. And like, oh, your beats are weak and all this. I was like, bro, you just text me saying, like, he was like, you want a reaction. I'm not going to give you a reaction. Gives me a reaction.

Like, he's the king of the internet when it comes to this. You don't know how to not reply. he's always going to reply like with the whole I feel like Ruga be chilling a little bit compared to a lot of the other I'd be doing the internet I don't be really seeing

He's a lot more He is duct time You won't see him You don't see Ruger really chasing it Like that's why I'm confused with y'all Cause like Ruga don't be chasing it like that And you never, I don't really see you

I never came to the internet with like With none of this type of stuff Cause I just didn't like I don't know I felt like People would see me not work with him And then just be like Okay he good to go But now this

There's like stamped. So this is, this is you basically just, like, putting it out there that you don't fucking no more. I don't know. I just don't want nothing to do with them. Like, they showed me, they showed me what would happen if we went to the top again. Like, you got brought into, like, one of the biggest artists in America hands damn near. Yeah. And, like, I seen what, so, like, who can you link with that's bigger than that?

That's going to put me in position. Like, I just don't trust you in that situation again. I can't. I want nothing to do with it. Like, you should. show everybody over there showed me. Like I'm the one who got Debo started rapping. I'm the one who was recording all them. Fat A.

I'm the reason why J.G. Damn there. All of them were rapping because I kept telling them every day. You guys are just sitting here. You guys need to start rapping. Like you guys got to start doing something. And that's when they started rapping. And then it's like, even with Lilmo,

Lil' Mo's first songs were with me. Like, Ruger recording him at the house, at his house. Yeah, but like they would send Lil' Mo in an Uber to my house and just record. And just record and record. And we just make songs. Like to get him started, you know. It's so confusing to me how some of those dudes could be lazy because it's like, bro, if you're in this position, like, you better rap.

Like, you've got to rap like you're fighting to save your life. Like, you're going to die homeless in the streets because it's honestly, for some of the people that we're talking about, it's like not far off. Like, you without rapping, like, what the fuck you're going to do? Like, you better be rapping every time you get five minutes in the studio, you better put down a couple bars. Like, they get content with like city clout. Yeah, for sure.

That's what does a lot of people, like they're content with city clout. Once they have that juice in the city, it's like, okay, I could chill back kind of like. But now I'm trying to get to that next level, you know? I'm trying to get, I mean, me personally, I'm not in front of Yea and them, you know. I'm trying to get to there, though. And if you can help me, then I can help you. So, I ain't a lot. It sounds like you a little salty when he can't introduce you to the Yea a little bit, too, though.

No, that's the thing. Did you have that text? Like, did you even hit them up on some shit like that? No, because I just, I like to see how people move and just move off that. So I saw, like, I didn't get no call or nothing, which is cool, you know, it's cool. I'm not tripping. Like, I feel like I'm still going to get to where I need to get no matter what. I just need all that set aside because my mind is so like, so like one foot in and one foot out.

But it's like I really should have just took both feet out and just kept going like in another lane. Like that Thunkey Man really should have just went up, just turned up with that. But I was so worried about looking bad on Ruga's side because I was so locked in. I was like, I don't want to reflect this and be like, oh, Thunkey Man is Ruga. producer, you feel me. And he kept saying that that's my producer. He really came on here and said, I'm his producer. And what's crazy is, Jay Main, I think, right before he did your interview, he literally was like, I linked over Rougan, you said you don't with Digi. And I remember ignoring that when I seen that, when I seen on YouTube, I ignored it. I was like, no, you wouldn't say that.

Now I'm looking at it like, that, you know, definitely said that. Because yeah, the Jay Main content, or the beats that you did for him, like, when did that come around? Like, early on, when you were still poor. That was right after Blickathon. Right. So I'd say like 19, 20. That was just a little side quest doing a bunch of beats for him. He had hit me up. Um, he had hit me up was like, uh, or not he remakes Blickathon. And that's when I was like, what's up, bro? You just tapping with me for the beat. I'll send you some more. He was like, all right, bet. I said, okay, well, we're going to go 50-50. That's cool. He said, yeah. So then I got the DMs. I'll even show them right here. This is Jane Main. For everybody I want to see this. Because everybody keeps saying I'm bogus and this

and that. It's funny though because you're like... He agreed to 50-50. You're one producer who's like actually willing to stand up for themselves. Like obviously the artists are going to paint you as being like an insufferable brat that was just asking for that too much. I just seen him complaining about someone stealing his money or something like that the other day or something. I was like... Oh, Jamie?

He was talking about the IRS, I think. That's really worth. He owed hell of taxes and he had to get rid of his chain, I guess. How do I show DMs on here? We'll put it up there. You can just show us. You can just send it to us, yeah. They're just sending to that.

We're going to show us, I guess. Yeah, go through it. You can start from the top. You can start from it or whatever. Hold on. That's 2019, January. June 19, 2019. What year was it?

2019. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I took down like 20 million views. Just because I don't, like, that's the thing. It's like a lot of producers live for that. Like, that's a million. They live for a million views.

Like, that's what they're going to get their whole. life. Like, I feel like I just took a bunch of, like, people's lifetime views down. Because it's like, if I'm not getting paid for what the fuck. But, all right, so, yeah, let's break that down. So look, all right. You said you took now 20 million views, but you got a 50% split. On Ruga's music. Not Jane. I didn't get anything on J. Main. I didn't get anything. So what, what you and Jay Main had organized? I just showed you. We just agreed on 50-50. All right. And then what? You started sending him a whole bunch of beats and then.

Yeah, he said, we dropped like 16 songs. We did the, I think it was called Tuka's Revenge 2 or something like that, Tuka's Revenge, did that album. They had a bunch of solos. Yeah. But a lot of the solos had like millions of views on YouTube, like, and streaming platforms. Like, it wasn't just like...

And are you just sending him beats or are you and J.M. Locked in, like, you're pulling up on him? Like, what was you friend? He pulled up on me. Yeah, he pulled up at my crib. Like, I was sending beats, don't get me wrong. Like, he'd go to studio, do his thing. But there was times where, yeah, he would pull up to my crib and we, like,

we just kick it. That's why it's like, I thought we was friends, Like, he didn't trick me too. So you get... I thought we was friends. So you get 50% on like most of Ruga's bigger songs. Every song. Every song.

How much is that? 50%. Yeah. It's 50%. Yeah, but like how much? Because if you tell us how much you make that we know how much he does... I mean, Rugga right now has 85,000 monthly listeners on Spotify, which is modest, I would say. Yeah, that's just not even like dropping.

That's what's crazy. Like I feel like that's just natural. We ain't even draw recent. That's the thing is these Chicago artists have their own natural like little fan base. They don't like they don't need other fan bases to get put on. That's why I feel like so many Chicago arts can get put on because their own city will put them on. Yeah. And they'll follow them for the rest of their life because all Chicago knows is Chicago.

They don't want to know Callie. They don't want to know that. They feel like it's weird when they come out here because they don't talk the same lingo. They don't move the same. They don't, you know. And I said I get it. Before Bezhu even passed, his interview clips, he had a lot of, like, interview clips that had a million views on YouTube from clips, which is, like, pretty

crazy when you consider that, like, I mean, especially before he passed. Like, you know, he's not a famous rapper. He's not a super legendary, like, dude in the same way. But from a Chicago perspective, people were fascinated by this dude, you know? It's like, you would even go on someone on the West Coast, ask who that is, like, huh? Yeah. What? Like, it's a whole different world over there, I feel like.

Really? So how do you feel about the situation now, though, like moving forward? I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with it. No GDs at all? You're done with all the GDs. I'm just done with that Chicago, the Chicago, just all the Chicago shit. Like, I feel like, because I got GD homies in Portland, you know, like, it's all love.

Like, it's not like, they even called me and shit. It was like, no one's going to touch you. Because people were. offended because they all the first show there's hell of internet trolls like because you said that uh larry hoover wanted to prove what right but i feel like if you if you're a big gd and you go on your phone and you get offended by a white boy talking some on this story like i feel like you just like i don't know it's just i don't think they really looking at that bro i feel like it's all the internet trolls like that are that are talking like you know

just people who fake it to make it type of stuff because i've kind of thought this a lot of times over the years is that it you know i don't take a side or anything but when you look at like a lot of the gd stuff that's gone on in Chicago in terms of the the rappers famous rappers and the in the them not being able to stay cool and the label falling apart right away and like all that and then meanwhile you kind of look at the bd side of things there's a lot of lore that we want to know about the bd side of things that we don't really know and there's YouTubers trying to put pieces together and stuff but like you you still can't get them to talk about about what happened when they robbed Sosa's house.

You know, you could interview any of those dudes. Like, they're just, it seems like they do a better job of kind of keeping their business internal and not talking about. I feel like that's what the other side kind of went wrong was when they all started doing all these podcasts and doing all these interviews. And like, yeah, because like they're just, I don't know, like, even say cheese, he's messy, bro. They did that Ruga say cheese interview at my house, at my apartment.

And he asked a question that was like, it made us end the whole interview. He asked him because Doug's funeral, on Alduski's funeral got shot up. So he had asked him if Doug's funeral was going to be at the same spot. And it was just like... Yeah, that's a crazy question. It was just like, like, what, bro? Why even asked that?

And what, Ruga tweaked out and just ended the interview? I think, yeah, we were just like, yeah, it just made things weird. Bro, but then Sean Kahn, Sean Kahn don't want the bad look, so he cut that part out probably. Oh, for sure. And then meanwhile me, I got Ruga throwing poop at me and being mad as far. I just left it in and run it. But you know, that's funny.

He had two different interviews, and because you got offended by what the interviewer was asking. Kind of tells you that maybe the interviews weren't necessarily the problem. But how did you feel about that situation when he turned up on us? Me specifically. Honestly, I think I was away from them already. So I was just like looking at it like, it didn't surprise me. I think it was right after that, honestly.

I was just like, it didn't surprise me. And I knew what went down. because I know them so well. I knew how this played out. I felt like, because you guys, I feel like didn't, you guys had tension at the time. So I feel like he might have went in here like, oh, that squash, like it's out the way.

And then knew he was going to act up on you. Yeah. And acted up on you. That is what happened. It's kind of like that. Me too. Because I wasn't planning on an interview. It was supposed to be an interview

with the other G-G-G-G-G-G-Gy guys. And then I had to talk with him for like a whole 30 minutes, like, yo, if you're going to come, it's going to be good and valid. and he gave me his word. And to be fair, I think he was gonna be cool. I think Adam was just saying that was triggering him. So he was just like, f***ing him.

And I'm gonna turn up. I don't know if he came with intention to do that, but that's just how it was. I mean, honestly, though, like, if you watch it, the energy that he was given for the first 20 minutes or whatever it was, it was kind of, it was definitely like not the friendliest energy. But he was kind of talking normal at certain parts,

but then there was other parts where it was like, oh, man, this guy's mad as fuck. You just don't want to say it. dry that you just know that they don't want to be here. Yeah. But then a lot of people were hating because the other dudes stuck around afterwards. They thought that that was like disloyal to like finish out the interview. But which I kind of understood it from my perspective because it's like this was their interview.

But then when like your CEO or the leader gets booted out of there by security and like you stick around, like I could see how people will look at that a certain way. I can see that too. I appreciated it. But yeah, I can see that. Yeah, no, I think Ruga, because Ruga knew it was their interview, I think him sitting down next to them made it bigger for them or whatever. And, like, he ain't wanted to just step on their toes and room, what they got going on by just making everybody leads. It looked funny in the comments because I seen people saying, like, yo, why the fucking family?

But damn, bro, I just be, sorry, in your words, break down Jay Mane's story because I heard you said, I heard you say, I heard you say, you created J. Like, that's what we got going on. We got the Thunky Man situation going on. So how did the birth of Thunky Man even start? Break it down one more time for the people who don't know. Shit, I had to get, man, I gave birth to my son. But Jay Man. Jay Man, that's really my son.

Jay Man said he created no jump around on the remote. And you said on your story that you created Jay Man. Because he basically was the reason why Jay Main went homeless. And Jay Man going homeless was like really what got my attention. It made me be like, let's interview him. And, I mean, he already was doing his thing before that. But that did kind of take him to a next level. that was his biggest interview.

Right. All right. So, break down to the Lord from what you, from what you seen. Shit, from what I seen, I took his shit down. Yeah. It happened to be on Dirk's birthday. I don't know how that. I don't know, just the luck of time.

Took it down on Dirk's birthday. I remember him putting, like, dreads in his hair or something or, like, putting hair in his head, and he, like, dyed the tips blonde or something, like mimic or something like that. And then he did the homeless. He did the homeless thing, which, like, I'm not knocking none of this

because he's gonna turn up with this. Craitor. And all my old interviews, I said, Jay, man, I hope you learn from this and just do better. And look like he did good,

you feel me? But anyways, he did the homeless narrative. And then after that, it was you guys, I want to say, it was you guys, right? Yeah.

So I remember watching his videos because of the homeless. And that was what really made me start watching the older stuff. Some lore between that. That's how me and you even got in tune is because this one I think I just started working

at no jumper. and I'm doing the social media shit more at the time. And I made the post saying Dirk got J. Main channel deleted. Now he's homeless. That's when I reached out to you. You reached out to me and was like, no, that's not the real story. He ain't paying me for this fucking money and shit. But I just ran with the homeless with Dirk for a little bit.

And it kind of turned him up. He did the interviews or whatever. And then from there it just turned to what it grew. Not for sure. But that's how you reached out to me and saying that, hey, he owe you money. So, all right, how long were you reaching out to him? I was reaching out for like, I'd say like almost two years, bro. I didn't even want to say two and a half years.

How much money did he owe you, though? Because if his 50 years. Who knows? Who knows? I was added to one song. Now that one song, I want to say made like 1,500 to like 200 in like, I want to say a month. It was something like good because the song did millions of views. It was with billionaire black.

It was called BDK Anthem. You want to be able to But anyway Yeah yeah Anyways I see the check on that song This was like after everything else Was pushed out

I see the check on that So I finally got him to agree To one song He was like me and Billy He's like Billy's on the song too I said nah Y'all got out to split y'all And I need my 50

He was like All right whatever Gave me it Seeing that And I was like At the time I was dealing with Ruga's manager And everything

So I was learning And you know Learning all the percentages Yeah And like what I was owed And I was like like, bro, like, if you could add me to one song, why can't you add me to the other songs? Because it's all on the same platform, distro kit.

So I'm like, bro, why is it that hard? And I'm starting to see now. Why? Because he's starting to see, like, making money off it. Yeah, half this shit. Exactly. Just green. So if you had to guess how much you think you took or he owed you at the time, if you just had to put a number on it.

Decent amount. Say a decent amount. More than 10? Yeah, because that song was only a million views. had other songs of like two, three million. Like multiple songs, you feel me? And this is like you getting paid off, not just YouTube, you're getting paid off everything through distrocade.

You know, you get Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon, whatever it is. You know, so it wasn't just YouTube money. Like, that's the thing is these artists eat the YouTube money. Producers don't get any of that. That's one thing we have to forfeit because whoever's channel it goes on, I don't think you could do splits on YouTube like that. I've never seen that. So all the 50% that you eating is on the back end from Apple Music and Spotify.

You're not even looking at YouTube. No, I don't get any, no, producer don't get YouTube money. Unless you copyright your beat and then they use your beat and it's already like, what do they call it? What are they, when you track, you track things throughout the internet, content ID. Content ID and you can track it. And then they track it to whatever it will copyright and claim for you. Other than that yet, you don't see no YouTube money as a producer. That's interesting.

No splits on YouTube. I never even thought about that. That's why they'll do like artists like Ruben and Billy, they'll do like, I'll throw you. you one video and then you do one for my channel, you do one for your channel. So then evens out because if the cameraman puts it on the artist channel, cameraman doesn't get anything. Yeah. So. So, all right, what did you learn from like even like just looking at it now in hindsight? Do you feel like you were asking for too much or you feel like 50? Are you still going around like, hey, I need them 50% splits with everybody? Yeah, unless like, yeah, I need 50.

Like independent artists, I feel like we should normalize that. Like if you're an independent an artist with no budget, nothing, and you need a free beat, we need our 50% unless you can come to us with a budget and be like, I'm going to put this up for music video, put this up for marketing, then it's like, why am I going to give you a percentage of my percentage if you're not doing anything for my percentage? You've got to do something for my percentage. Because by you making a beat for someone or making 10 beats that get used by an artist, it's like you're basically saying, I want 50-50 if you're not giving me an upfront amount. Like if you give me a couple grand per beat, like I'm willing to say, all right, these are yours now. But the other

option is we do 50-50. And then if these songs, because you're taking the risk, because you could work really hard on 10 beats and make 10 dope songs, then those songs never go anywhere. And then you just did all that work for nothing. So, right. No, that's, that's, um, so they could, even if they pay like three or four thousand, we still get a percentage on the track. We just get a super small percentage. Like, now they'll give you like 2%, 3%. Like, I'm on a track with, you know, B-A-K-J. I'm literally arguing with, yeah, 10-K. 10-K, you guys need to pay the fuck up, bro.

Like, you guys, everybody I've talked to and asked about 10-K, bad business, everybody. They owe me money, they owe me money. Like 10-K, Christian, you know what you're doing? Stop it. Whatever camera's looking at me, stop it. You guys made me sign this contract that I just signed, and now you guys want to go ghost again.

Like, they're just bad business, bro. I don't like 10-K. But basically there's four producers or three-producers. or three producers, three producers on the track, the engineer got it placed, so they're putting him on there. We're all splitting it. We each get 0.75% of the track. So if the song does, I want to say,

the song does what, like $100,000, we get like $750.50. Yeah. Yeah. Like what? And they gave us like a, I think it was like 2,500 advance, and we all have to split that, I think. So like, what the fuck? Yeah.

What the, like, what? Like, that's 10K for you. Yeah. NK projects. It's tough. Oh, man. Yeah, no, that's, that's rough. So, like, all right, what is the future of, like, doing business with artists and shit?

Like, what do you, how do you feel like... I picked up a camera. I don't know if you've seen, but I've been on a couple tours. I've been as a cameraman. I was on the Rio de Young OG and the Mene. I don't know if you know who Mene is. He's from Portland. He was on a double X LXL cover back in the day.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And what he's doing the shoes now with, I think is new balance. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So got brought onto that one. Now I'm trying to just shoot video because I realize if I shoot the videos and make the beat, like that's double the profit.

Honestly, yeah, that is the mentality I would recommend for anybody out there is like become the video guy, become the producer, become the guy who can design a t-shirt, become like, especially if you're in like the early stage of your career before you're like super successful. Because at some point, if you become the video guy who's on call every single day to do videos, you're not going to have time to pick up additional skill sets. Like even right now, I would love to learn how to use Photoshop to make T-shirt designs or whatever. It just doesn't really make sense at a certain point. No, for sure. Yeah. No, thanks.

But, yo, so, okay, what if you got hit up by some, like, people that are very clearly on the other side of the fence from the Ruga situation? And they were like, because I don't think anybody would really have a reason to, like, set you up or try to, like, like rob you or some shit like that because you've already made it clear that you're not claiming the other side so it wouldn't be a W to like do something violent to you or whatever but what if you got hit up by some like you know OTF artist or whatever and they were like wanting to do a studio session would you be happy to do that even though that would be even though you would know that there's part of the reason why they wanted to with you was to sort of throw shots yeah I don't know I just wouldn't be comfortable, I feel like, but

like there was a, you guys know what PGF Nook is. He is, someone who was, he was managing him, I think it was like a year ago. I don't know if he still is. I was in Europe at the time and he calls me, he goes, Digi, I'm with OTF right now. I need some beats. I'm thinking, bro, what?

Like, you must not know. I didn't say anything. I sent him some beats. He calls me back like four hours later. Bro, why didn't you tell me? He started going, why the f***y? He said, they were looking at me crazy. Like, they said that they were rapping to it until they heard Ruka's tag, my producer tag. They was like, turn that off. Like, he said that they basically told him he might as well. He better off being a random

person from Tennessee, like basically saying like, because he's with them, we're not, we're not rapping. Like, if he was a random producer from Tennessee, we'd hop on this beat. Yeah. But because he's so associated. So it's like, I'll work with it. I would work with them. I don't know if I'd in person, I'd have to like, feel it out. I'd have to really get on FaceTime with someone who's like, who I know from that camp is real and keeps it real. has good energy and like let them know like, all right, you're not gonna get touched. We're really here to work, but I don't know,

they got their own, they got their own clicks, they got their own producers, you know? How did you and Taye get locked in anyway? He fun and I saw it. 16, bro. 16 was, yeah, I think 16 was one of his first interviews. Yeah, back. Early on.

Yeah, 16 asked him and he did the interview and then I was like, bro, like, I put Tay's music, like put it together and he put us, I think, in a group chat. And we just, I went and asked Root. He was like, man, you go for it. Don't leak any of this shit back to each other. And I was like, bet.

So I went into the studio, made some songs with him. It's crazy because I want to say there was some disc songs. And we never dropped them. I think we dropped one of them, one or two of them. We dropped red light too. I don't know if you ever heard that. And then another one, I think we dropped another one. But yeah.

What's the craziest this songs you feel like you produced without even? Not this song, but I'd say I'm from six. Just with the whole FBG Doug and King Vaughn Beef, I feel like influence-wise, I feel like that song had the most. Yeah. Your pants tight as hell. Like I remember you bringing that up. I was like, this man funny.

Like you, I think you asked, who'd you ask about that? I forget. You asked somebody about that. You're like, how you feel about that? I was just like, bro, this man. That's when I knew, that's really when I knew my song was like doing something was weird. I seen like someone like, y'all bring that up. I was like, okay, this has influence.

Let me ask you this. What's the, uh, scare your studio situation you had? Man, I've had situations where they'll be recording in. Man, little Reese at this studio, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, what the fuck? Get up out of there? Get up out of there. I'm what the fuck.

I've been in situations like that. I'm just like, bro. And I don't game bad. I don't got nothing to do it. So I'm over here like, man, I hope. Pray for Little Reese, bro. At that. Oh, we're just going to go slide on it?

Like, like, you're not to drop. on so-and-so at the studio right now. I'm like, I'm like, I don't, you know, I don't gang bang, so I just love everybody, so I'm just like, man, I just pray for whoever to, you know, they slide and I'm like, damn, like,

shit just, though. I'm just here to make music. Why I got to be involved in this shit? You ain't ever had no crazy shit happen with you? That you can, uh, I know a crazy story. I don't know if you want to get into it.

We'll say no name. All right, we won't say no names, but you can just tell me how true it is. I heard, uh, nah we can say it like nah I don't want to do all that but I heard I don't say the name but I'll say like I kidnapped you and in a sense kind of

in a way it kind of is kidnapping though if they force you to go somewhere I can't say that he really in the mix so he knows about a lot of wild I told one person I can't tell you that 16 what the fuck going on

16 ain't telling me this I can't tell you that they put pipe to my head and went through my phone to make sure you wasn't trying to back doing make sure I wasn't back doing yeah so that Yeah. That's not, that's one of them, though, right? Because I know you didn't have to have more, oh, that's the craziest.

But so what? Some rapper who's not. It was J-H-H-E. It was J-E-H-E. Oh, man. It was J-E-G. Oh, man. It was J-A-G-A-C-1-16.

I called me in capital B-O-A, boy, you are tweaking if you go f*** with them still. And I said, you know what? I'm about to move in with them. And that's when all this shit happened. But what caused them to be so suspicious of it? Because I was fucking with Fonzo at the time. Oh, not even really fucking with,

I was just like, me and KJ are so locked in, like, friendship-wise that, like, not even with music. I'll call him just to talk about real life, you know? And I guess they just felt some type of way. They thought I was trying to back door something. But it was crazy as... They went through your phone and shit, but there was nothing there. Yeah, there was nothing there. So that's what made you feel comfortable?

I'm a fucking producer, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm there to work. But why would they think that you was on some backdoor? What was there for them to think like? I think it was just because I think I was out in L.A. with KJ Fons O and B.A. And I think that's, or something like,

I think that's what it might have done it. And then I hit up, I want to say it was Ewell. Ewell ain't know nothing about it. He thought I was good. That's why Ewell told me he was like, boy, slide. He told me to slide. I slid out there. We walked to the store.

Someone outside, get in, get in, go back, pipe to the head, let me go through your phone, go through my phone. I'm like, and what's crazy is I convinced myself to like understand where they were coming from. That's why I brushed it off. I was like, all right, these are my people. Like, we're gonna rock with them.

So I ended up going back home, back to Portland. They call me. We need you. And then that's when like 16 warned me. 16 told me, he was like, anybody did that shit to me?

I'm never like talking to them again. I was like, bro, it's business. Like, we're about to take off with this. Do they apologize? Like, yo, sorry, we put the gun to your head? Yeah,

I want to say like a week later, though. I felt like it was an apology. That's like an immediate apology thing. I felt like it was an apology out of like being scared that I was going to like run and tell somebody or something. Because like you literally could go tell the cops and it would not be good. That's what's crazy is like I don't really like I've been around so much. I felt like a lot of people in my position would have folded years ago, whether it was just anything like just talking or telling like there's, I know a lot of shit. And I've never ever, ever spoke on anything you feel me like.

I've held it down because I thought this was a business. I thought we were all going to take this business. to the next level. But it's like, nah. But it seemed like when I, even when I, besides that story,

which is crazy as, and I mean, you still ended up living with the, after the fact. I mean, Dan Naird that's kidding. Yeah. Kidnap is kind of the nice way to say it.

Yeah. Most of the time when you get kidnapped, they don't put a gun to your head. Yeah. But like, I was so chill. Like, that's what I felt like threw them off too.

They were wondering why like I wasn't shaking or anything. And like, I was just like. Because you knew you was innocent. I didn't do. Like, I would have been. I'm tripping if I knew I was doing.

Like, I didn't like, I'm there to make beats. Can we work on this album? Yeah. Got a gun to my head. Can we work on this album? That's a dedication. But even like, all right, even hearing all this out, right, like, after we just listen to everything, it still seem like, you and Ruga really don't got no problem of recent.

It's just like, you just really just doing this just to like disassociate yourself so you can work and get more clients. No, it's a problem, bro. Like, some of the shit he said to me when I left, like, I can never go back from. That's what I tell everybody to this day. They're like, why you say that was like so damn? I mean, if niggas could put guns to your head and like that, then what can he say that? He's been talking to my DMs for the last two years to himself. But let's see.

He sent like four more messages. I want to. Yeah, see, look. Just paragraphs. Wow, that is a lot of him and not a lot of you. I wish I had my old phone. Yeah. Yeah, it's just fake, bro.

It was crazy. He always be preaching on this story about like fake love. all this it seems like you hurt though more than anything yeah bro like you seem like a pretty nice person compared to a lot of the people that you were working with realistically no yeah like I feel like the last seven years

eight years of my life were wasted like I feel like I'm back at not even point zero because I done made a name for myself but like I feel like I'm just like back like where I was like I just wanted an artist to just grow with you feel me I didn't want someone who was going to get greedy and do all this like we're supposed to do

this, take it to the next level. I feel like I got to put in another five plus years through that when it should have just already been capitalized. Did that make sense? I feel like I wasted my time. That's why. But then would you be where you were at right now if you didn't lock in with those people? So like, it kind of worked out. No, for sure. For sure.

Like, I'm thankful for everything. Everything we've done, like everything, I'd say, like the whole journey has been cool. It's just the ending of the outcome. You feel me? Like, I don't learn a lot. I learned about my royalties with the whole J-Main situation. Learned. Never make that mistake again. Always make sure I get added, you know, like.

And you're getting money, though. Yeah. I'm seeing. I'm like, you're pulling up. You flying private, not private, but first class. And shit, like, you didn't definitely figure out the- Chelling. There's other ways to make money besides 50% if that makes sense.

You can sell beat packs. You could sell beats. You could sell knowledge. Because I ain't going to lie. If I'm a rapper, I'm off-rip. I'm like, 50%. Like, then if I get a f***er, I'm getting less than with the producers. So that's the thing is like, that's just with the end of the end-of-

independent artists. A lot of major artists are signed. So they got budgets, you know. So you never signed a deal ever? I signed to like a publishing, you know, like where admin, it's called an admin deal. Basically if you want to collect your publishing without being signed to a label. So they just act as a publisher for you, take a percentage. So that's what I got going on. So I'm getting my publishing. But yeah. Yeah. Like that's the thing. Like there's just a lot of greed in this. Like even with Doug, I've never been paid off Doug's music on the master's. Like publishing, I've, collected but the thing is with publishing there's so many fake accounts collecting off ducks music

it's hard really it's hard there's so many fake people collect because anybody can go make a bm. account and go collect songs so that's like another scam people are doing so someone actually was collecting my i'm from 63rd song and the publisher reached out to me was like beat stars reached out to me they were like hey someone's collecting off this song can you verify this and i was like bro i'm the only one on that song how can they collect if there's no content id If, like how's that word? Just registration, they go say they're whoever they say that they made the beat. It's when you sign up, there's different like IPI numbers and everything you add together.

You put it all together. It works. So you can go claim whatever. And there's like third party websites where you can go claim royalties, publishing royalties. Like it's crazy. Like anybody has access to it. So with Doug's music, like, I don't know if it was Young's dad. I don't know.

You ever heard of Manny? Yeah. Someone named Man. I'm pretty, yeah. Danny. Young and Ducky. Yeah, bro. I don't know. I've heard some shit like about, like, I don't know. I just heard some shit about him having the producer money and just not even not giving it out. We're supposed to be like collecting it for themselves because like I ain't

never, Doug was working with labels. So there's got to be producer money, especially for that I'm from 63rd song. Like, we had more songs with Duck than I did with Ruga. People don't even know that. Like, was you and Doug locked in in person or it was like more over? Yeah, but I was definitely in sessions like where Ruga was. Rugal would bring me to, you know, like the house and shit. I'd play beats. They'd be like, get in the chair and just, I remember Doug. The first time I met Doug, Ruga called me, he was like,

he was like, duck here, pull up. I was like, I called my homie, my homie come pick me up. We get pulled over on the way over there. We're trying to tell him, whoa, we're about going to link with Doug. We're out. You already ride our ticket, we go over there. We get there. We're like, we don't want to get out the car.

Y'all on 663, where are you at the time? Nah, we was over off. I don't even want to say it anymore, because I don't know if they still over there. Yeah, yeah. But we was down in, like, the 70s, like 79th over there. Not going to say to cross street, but we was in the 70, like 80s type shit. And it was just, it felt trenchress over and out.

Like, Danny, like, get out. Like, so I called in to come to the door. We go upstairs. We in the trap. We're working, working, duck, like, you make beats. Yup, get in the chair. Play a beat next. Play a beat next.

Play a beat next. Play a beat next. Just the one. Get on there. And from then he was just like semi-be beats. He had hit me on. Instagram was like just keep sending them and then we kept just linking in studio sessions and went up do you think Ruga has another run in him as an artist whenever he wants yeah like he's

that man can sing that man can write that man can rap he can deliver and he can also do like like old school boomback like he could do everything Rueba talents is I feel like keep it real bro you're just lazy like you're just lazy I was there for eight months. How you go eight months with a producer on your side and don't drop one song? And we got 15 songs lined up plus. Like

let's work. In our cameraman, Billy was living in L.A. at the time, so he, what, a couple hours away? That's confusing to me because most of the decent rappers I know make a couple songs a night, a couple songs a studio session. Like, no, that's the thing. Song takes like an hour or two

usually, like on average maybe. I know some people. How much? Half houring at the house in Vegas. We were recording at the house. He would just... He would record like crazy. Like, we would just keep recording, but just not drop anything. And I felt like I was just wasting time.

And then... Why do you think he won't want to put it out, though? Is it the label? Where is it? Nah, with the album, it was trying to get the producers paid out. But these European producers, they want like $2,000, $3,000 a beat.

And I'm over here telling him, bro, I can remake all these. Like, nah, they're not going to hit the same. Like, all right, do me know. Let's do whatever. So we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting. Still nothing. I'm seeing her like, bro, you have a producer willing to remake everything.

But if you remake it, he got to give you 50%. Exactly. That's what he didn't like at the back of his head. And that's where we, that's where we, that's agreement. But don't you feel like you're supposed to, all right, look, Ruega, you're elevated it a little bit. We could bring the percentage down a little bit. Did you kind of have that kind of talk with him?

Yeah, we could do that. Did you have that talk? Yeah, we did in his kitchen. And what do you say? You remember, you remember? And he was on it or he wasn't with it? Yeah. He tried to, I remember he called one of.

was like his yay connects and was like bro this yay producer said this i'm like bro these guys are working with yay like these contracts my bad these contracts and percentages are so different than you who are not even going to pay for the beat like that's the thing with janeane saying all you give rougan and then beats for free i get 50% of rougar and even if like that's what people don't get is even if you pay for the beat that's just allowing you to use it commercially and make money off it that's not allowing you to just run off with all 100% that's just allowing you and you only to make money off it. So even if you pay me $1,000 for the exclusive,

I'm still getting my 50 or whatever we agree upon, 30, 35, 40. Like, people think, oh, if I pay $150 for the beat, then it's mine. No, that's allowing, that's what starts the 50, 50. So even if you're paid

$200 for the beat, you still want $50.000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still want $50. All right. Sure. I ain't a lot. That percentage is how it's so I can see how to see. It's bull. Ruga like, yo.

No, yeah, yeah. I get it. That's why you should do the business before you make the music. If he is, if possible. That's the thing. If he would have came to be like, hey, bro, I'm gonna put like 10,000 in the marketing or something like, bro, take whatever, take 30% out. Go for it.

Because then if it's helping market the song, then you're like, it's gonna help benefit me long time. I've never seen that market their song once. It's just always an Instagram post that says, out now on YouTube. And they do millions of views. Like, imagine if they would have actually put some money behind them, instead of buying all these cars. buying all these cars and jewelry and stuff like even just $5,000 on a post if your song's doing millions of views just off you saying out now on youtube or a couple hundred

thousand like imagine if you really put some money behind it like you would think it's common sense you would think like yeah here's some gang for everybody who we want us to pay out for the interviews y'all should highlight us to pay out of get put on the blogs that's the only thing about because everybody about yo pay me get up there but then they don't want to pay for the promo side when they drop. So they're like, you gotta make it make sense. We're paying y'all to come up here, and y'all gotta pay us to promote the music.

So it's like, just a little gym out there for some whoever listening. I've tried to do that or I'll try to be like, I'm not gonna pay you for the interview, but I'll give you three posts promoting your music. Usually they don't get it. Like they just don't really understand. I'm like, you know, this is,

we're gonna be exchanging hands, money back and forth one way or another. Right, whatever. It would help a lot of people that you probably offered it to. out and it went away. Some people just don't get that side of it. They're like, man, the fans just gonna catch on is what it is, but it's like, sometimes you gotta.

Everybody think they know the game. But I ain't gonna lie, like, how much do you know about his involvement with, like, Y and shit, like, and who he wrote for? You know, you know some shit. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Did he write that verse for, uh, I heard he wrote that verse that Dirk was on?

You know, if that's true or not? I'm knowing some shit. That's the thing is like he's never open, like even when we're in rooms, he'll tell people, hey, bro, like, don't tell nobody. He never told me this person. I'm not going to come on and say anything. Just because, like, if he was out there telling people, oh, I wrote for this person, that person.

Yeah, yeah. All right. But he, like, really, like, even a big. He got a big on. He got a pen though. No, he got a pen. That man, yeah. Like, he, like, I don't heard a story, bro.

He was in Japan with somebody. Someone really big, real close to EA, played this song on a balcony for him. He said, I need that. I need that. I want the beat, I want the lyrics, I want everything. Got it from him. That's great. Like, rule good talents to this.

Oh, my God. I ain't getting in much. Big headed in. He's big headed. Mm, bro. He's like, bro, it's just like, I just go fight it out and get back cool.

Drop it down 30%. I think they got to go there's several ways, man. No, yeah, we feel like... It's all over there. It is, right? Yeah. It's like, it's just, you showed me what it was and how to go if we made it to the top.

And I feel like that's, Flop. I think this is an important education, though, for like the up-and-coming producers, rappers, et cetera. If you want to kind of understand what you might have to deal with, I think this is pretty useful. Let me ask you one thing. What's one thing you feel like you did wrong in the situation? He always told me close and I was don't get fed.

So I feel like I could have spoke up in a way, you know, because there was a time that during the yay process, you came over to my house and I had my manager there at the time, but my manager was in the like the Puerto Rican town politics. Like he's like he runs like stuff over there. So he's always in a suit. You know, he's always like, you know, he runs the whole parade and everything. He put stuff together in the community.

So he was in a suit. So I felt like Ruga not knowing who that was. He pulled up to my house and like seeing a dude in a suit. He thought I was here for like just business. Like, you know, but I was really just trying to kick it and just see what's up. Like I ain't seen you in a minute. What's up? So I felt like after that it just felt weird.

Like me and my manager talked about that like months later. We were like, you kind of started just. moving different after that. It was like, maybe it was because he, you know, bro thought we was just like, I wanted my 50%. You don't love with a white boy in a suit. I think that's what it was.

Was like after that he was like, because he was talking to some other people and those people called me and was like, hey, this is how we would feel about you. And basically they were saying that. These are corporate people or street people? Street. It's in a 6,700 in their camp.

They called me and was like, he basically feel that. you're just trying to do the 50-50 like you just on some business like you just want your money type of, and the whole time it's never been like that like if I really wanted my money, all that be taken down like pay up you know 50% I want money for the beats

like it's not about the money I just wanted to grow same same yeah no I feel it it sucks because it's like damn you know I had some good shit going and just even though on you you're a good ass like so it don't seem like you doing this Like I see what he said for like He felt like he getting attacked randomly

Because he's like I don't know where the f***es came from Like we was cool Or we wasn't cool but there was like no No I had seen an interview When I was like I was like this dude's really just like Talking about killing people on the interview

I'm like if he's talking all this Why can I just go explain my life And if you happen to do me dirty through it You're gonna get brought up like Rugga was talking about killing people No I'm just saying I was watching another Another interview And I was like this dude

I'm just blindly talking like, why can't I explain my life? Like, if you're on here doing this shit, like, why can't I explain my life? What I got going on. That's what I got going on. Offer you. And whoop-de-whoop, got whooped. But for the first time, Thunkey Man got thunked. You fin to go on another run, though, right?

Yeah. I'll be seeing you cook a heck. Because this is a big-ass billboard for your services. I feel like people are going to tap in and want to. And you make hard beats, too, for everybody who don't know or don't. Can you name some of the songs you produce? Because, like, even me, when I was on the phone with Rueue the other day, I ain't know some of the shit.

I'm like, damn he did that one, too? So, like, name some of the songs you produce so people can know your catalog. Right here. It's going to go through them. If you're in the Chicago music heavy, you might know some of these. But I did Blickathon. I'm from 63rd. For Duck.

I did, yeah, by FBG Duck. Young and Living by Duck. Did the Red Light 2. Feisty for Ruga. Look Up by Duck. Go Harder by Ruga and Duck. I did Blood by Ruga and Duck. No Tylenol by Duck.

He Backed by Duck. The whole He Back mixtape after he passed away. That was damn near. Damn near. There was like a couple songs. That wasn't me. I did near, did all those. Yeah, there's so many on here.

There's like, I'm already at 40. Another one wonder why I already knew. So yeah. So you definitely a GD producer. Thunkey, I'm thunking now. No, I'm just talking. But like, yeah. I'm thinking now.

I'm really just like. But you just, you had to let it be known like, hey, look, I can go work with everybody. Yeah, I want to work with everybody. Like when I went to Chicago, there was sessions like, you know, Lollipop. Yeah, I heard of Lollipop. Yeah. So Lollipop, I linked with Lollipop in Chicago. And she was like, all right, I got a Von Off and Tiski session.

Do you want to come? and I had to decline it because I know with my association being with them that they would feel uncomfortable and I didn't want anything like me personally I know how to move like I know one of their homies could just be feeling wrong that day or something like we got ruby's producer on camera like we could we could make a fool out of this or something so it's like I just don't trust it so I just like I want to work though like I would love to work with von off bro I would love to work with tiski and everybody like man I'm gonna have von on that he got a f yeah why not They saw him.

He's talking about FaceTime. He's not going to. You know what I'm doing? He ain't. No. I don't think he going for that. All right? I bet he will.

Put him on the spot, man. He'll be great. You don't put them on the spot. Oh, cry. You know, you know more shit than we don't know. Right. What up, dog? What up, brother?

Yo, so we're doing an interview with Digi Prada, who he used to be like Ruga's producer and shh-producer. Okay. So they kind of fell out. There's this whole big thing. They weren't really doing good business. and he was saying how he got invited like some girl that like invited them

to a studio session with you and he didn't come through because he knew that you probably wouldn't feel comfortable with it so I'm just throwing it out there like would you be down for him to send you some beats because he's trying to like get out there and really with like all the hot artists in Chicago like he ain't really on any yeah they got to be some of all so he think I'm on like some GDK

he just wanted he didn't want to make you feel uncomfortable or however you want to say I just didn't want I just know how like not everybody with that side so I just didn't want to go there and people be like, oh, can I trust him or can you know what I'm saying? Well, yeah, he's thinking I'm on some GDK. Tell him, no, I'll walk with him. The GDs ain't never did a shit to me.

Tell him, send me some beats. I'm going to fuck with him. Fire. Yeah, I'm going to put you all on text later. All right, much love. Just like that, man. You know, you, my boy. I got to look out for the woodpile, man.

Hey, that was real. What's your ethnicity, though? You white for sure. Nice being Italian. Nice being Italian. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard, though.

That's real. No. So, but you see how it's easier than what, I mean, sometimes it do make, it's like. I feel like when you do good, like, I don't know, like even like last time, like, last time we had our interview, you and Ruga fell out. Like, and I remember you was calling Bugger Sugar Ruga, because that's what you were saying, you was like, how does your white producer come and handle himself way better than Bugger Sugar Ruga?

And it was like. That's a bar. It was like, because I have good intentions. Like, I'm not, you know, you just got good intentions. It's like you just hold yourself together and just do right. Everything's going to line up. I feel like when people don't, when people know in their head they're not doing right, like they start acting out and stuff.

And that's when you can kind of tell. And I should have seen the signs throughout the year. I should have seen the signs with my head. Yeah, now that's the biggest sign you have right there. So, all right, let's switch it up just a little bit. We were at home. No, I just got random questions for you. So what the fuck you be traveling on a big-ass German shirt?

She, I got her in Chicago because honestly I wanted to be able to walk the streets and feel comfy. So like I would let her just bark at everything and everybody. I take her, you know, because I'm not going to lie. When I moved to Chicago, I didn't even know you could take the bus. I'm walking like 40 minutes just to get to downtown and just look around. Then I started like, I start learning the system. You could take the train. You could take the bus.

So you was walking everywhere? I was walking everywhere. I was walking everywhere. I was walking everywhere. I was walking an hour and a half to take the train. get to the pier all the way from outside the city, like with my dog. And that's an hour and half there and an hour half back. Like, they said, fuck, blick.

I'm just had them off with me. Yeah. You see a big-ass German Shepherd, like, you know, and she barking and, you know. I'd be like, damn, this man, that big-ass dog everywhere he go. Yeah. Who, uh, another little, who would you put on the Mount Rushmore of Drew music? You being a producer. Damn.

I would have to say, happy. This is just to me, though, like me personally. This is your amount of Marchmore. This is my route. Pappy, King Louis. I would have to say, Dirk, bro. Dirk just because he just went. I would say Dirk and who else made it like celebrity, celebrity status.

I would say Pappy and Louis just for the like people back in the day just because they were so legendary. And then my like who made it, I would say Dirk and like probably Keith or Polo. Probably him and Keith for sure. You ain't going on that one GD. You got to put a GD on there, bro. That's what's tough. Is that, like, Doug is the closest you can get to putting them in the top four,

but really, like, it's just not close. You're super influential, for sure. Like, how are you going to put Doug on there instead of Herbo? I mean, but if you, he put Pappy on there, and I say, Doug, over Pappy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm fucking happy music, too.

You're going crazy. For sure. Yeah, that's when I was, like, when I was working with PBG, I was like, I was like, damn, this is, like, cool, you know. All right, let's throw this out there, too, then. So, uh, what BDs would you even want to work? with from the city life they watch this interview who you got a pack for that's the thing i don't

like even be really knowing who's who i'd just be knowing that even if you don't know if they're gdia or bdia or whatever who's some artists you want to work with from chicago that do drill drill drill or just who you want to work with baby chief baby chief vaughan tiski rack baby just like a couple in my post i really should have just tapped in with him that was when i was talking about the Yeah. Rack baby, who else from there that I want to work with? Really baby chief, bro. Right.

Yeah, I worked with DCG. We never dropped our song, though. Yeah, that I would say, yeah. Love foe for sure, but he's not, you know how that's going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what, what happened. I don't know. That's where everybody I look where he at.

Yeah. What you at? Come do the interview. For real. We got some shit to talk about, yeah. Uh, what else, what else we got before you be in this, man? Do you, uh, so you good with the GDs, though? Because I seen the, man, you brought a Larry Hoover name.

Yeah, bro. Yeah, they, they're like, man, that's fucking crazy. He must not, he ain't coming back to Chicago anytime soon. Nah, it's good, bro. It's all love, like, yeah. Felt like they, I mean, you guys, too, not like you guys, I mean, I know how you guys do. Take a post and make a narrative, whatever. You guys kind of helped out with that narrative, but I know that once I can,

came up here and explained myself because here's when I made that post. I was expecting to come on here and then whatever. By the time I even got to the studio, because I was on my way to the studio, and that shit dropped. I was like, damn, that's like 500 comments. I was like, bro, all right, so now they're running with this narrative. Yeah. I'm, I definitely have to go on there now because really I was second guessing this because, you know, I was like, I'm not going to really speak it, but then I was like, you know what? No, fuck it. Like, you guys damn there. You know what you dude you guys you lured me here i mean to be you're looting no no you don't want to look fake five minutes you don't want to look fake but i mean realistically like i feel like you've painted the picture pretty good

of how like it's not exactly like you turned your back on dudes like because of anything aside from the fact that you just felt like you weren't having the right business then and to be fair you tagged us so it's kind of like i tagged y'all for sure for sure for sure for sure to be fair we've talked about you a lot on this podcast over years and we've talked about rugal out over the years so the fallout meant more to us, I guess, than a lot of other platforms. See, that's what, that's what my problem was, because I, I fuck with Ruga. And I know Ruga and Adam got their shit.

So I had to call Ruga and just be like, look, this ain't no play just because I'm over here with Adam. Like, we're not just coming to get you. Like, there's some that I ain't know this was coming. I got tagged in it. And to be fair, I don't got, like, what the fuck do I care with the Ruga thing? Even when he was yelling in my face, I didn't care.

I didn't get all out of pocket and start dissing him. It was like, whatever, bro. Have your temper tantrum. Maybe if he hit me up right now, I was like, yo, like, we're cool again. I'd be like, okay, cool. Facts. I don't really take it that serious in the first place.

Like, you got mad, you stormed out. Right. That's what is. I've really gone out of my way to not talk about him since he did, did that. You've been quiet. Even him, he barely talked about it. I feel like, you know, you don't really talk about it. I feel like, the only person you get the most flag is King Yeller. I feel like you leave Rugal, only.

He did that diss song on YouTube? But King Yella, did he? I don't heard that. But King Yella is like constantly talking about me because he's a content. creator whereas Ruga, to his credit, at least is not out here being an obnoxious content creator. At least he's like ducked off writing, doing music and stuff. I can respect that more than King Yellow is just making some shit up every other day. That's the thing is like, that's why when Unc reached out to me was like, I'm bigger than no jumper. And then I went to Unks page

and I see Yala all over it. I'm like, okay, you're in Vegas. I know yellow's not moving around like that. Like, so I was like, okay, you're in Vegas. I can't trust you. And then all of a sudden I get those texts from Ruga. You show up to that interview, see if you keep that same energy, I'm gonna be there, Bob. So I'm like, Unk trying to set me up is crazy. Unk is a setup artist.

Dunky man, and it was crazy. I got random DM saying, it was like, don't trust that fool. Don't trust him. Yeah, if Unk books you for an interview, for sure, you're getting backdoored. Yeah. No, John Barrier, not a chance.

Yeah, thanks for not setting me up. I mean, I haven't made it to my car yet. Yeah. We heard about J-Man. What happened with the J-Mane shit? You got set him up. I had told him up. This wasn't even this location.

I had told him to pull up to the Melrose stores. And this around the same time. We had a store over on Melrose or whatever. And then, you know, the most touristy-ass area. It's not, it's not there anymore. It's next to the awful lot of cost of. Yeah, yeah. We had it for like a year.

We had five years. It's not there anymore. We was about to go vlog. I thought it was, damn. They got some other good shit over there. A bunch of good stores and stuff. But anyways, we pull up over there and within like five minutes of us parking, bro.

I don't know what the fuck. I parked my car back there and like three other people. And then for some. reason Jamein, he came out here with, like, mad sh**. Like, if you in L.A., you know not to have nothing in your back seats. Any big city. But he had literally, this guy, had a whole bunch of bags in the backseat. You guys.

Yeah, they took a lot of time. You know, he did it for content, though. He know, Den, why I had nothing to do with it. But he just gone on there. Your remote back dope me, and then now I, so he just ran with it. Didn't we find someone, like, online claiming that they were the one who did it later on? No, well, ended up. We seen a dub, so Kenny Car got broken into, who used to work up here, and then

and uh jayn car got broken into so we just actually seen the footage of the people hopping out right okay yeah yeah but we still don't know who the they were yeah that whole jane that whole jane situation crazy yeah now all right and hans how do you feel about everything that happened with him like i love about his success because like i love that like started the pushing peace movement in the way that's that's what i was thank you remo thank you thank you thank you because really like that's you you you pushed him from doing music to where it's like i he had to like get back in his creative bag and like you kind of gave him another drive that he might not even thought but like at the end of day taking his channel you made that hungry again and i look how successful jane

been sent bro just like bro is interviewing pz in the pz's house like yeah jane would you be interviewing pizzie and pizze's house if if you was a rapper i don't think so i don't think so so like i really don't bless the man, you know. I just want, like... Jay Man, if you want no money. I just want to thank you. A thank you, Dad. Why don't y'all do a sitting-in-out interview?

If you push a piece, why can't you push a piece with you? Why can't time... I feel like they didn't try to do that. Like, Ruga and then would think it's funny at the house to, like, call Jimman, just put it, put the phone in my face. You'd be like, someone want to talk to you. And it'd be J-Man, we both be like, what the fuck, you know? I was going to do it right now. I would, I would...

I would... I would... I would... I would... Like, I'm going to do it, but... I think that would be good for y'all to have a conversation. He don't want to, though. Because he didn't make a post about me.

It was like, it was like, should I interview Thunky Man? Or he was like, I can't go into it with Thunkey Man. And that's like 2,000 comments in like an hour. It was over, it was overgoing. People saying no or telling me. His people were on there saying, bro, this is the person who took you down. Why is you giving him publicity? And I know he listened to and he took the post down right after like,

I've read all that. He took it down. And I was like, damn, like, I knew they got in his head. Like, you write, like, why am I giving the person who potentially, you know, but the thing is, I never did it out of like, I want to make you homeless. I want to do this. It was like, those are my beats. Not, oh, I hope you do bad.

I hope you're fucked up. Because if I really did that, I would have took more shit down. I would have kept this going. I would have been petty. And you didn't abuse the process. You actually went about it the correct way. And he could have easily gone along with. with you doing it.

I told him many times, I was like, bro, just give me a couple songs to collect off of and let me recoup how much you owe me. Like, if you just, you know, give me some songs and let me collect and we could work this out. He didn't. Just goes. He wouldn't reply for shit.

Like, manager, lawyer, me. Like, just when I'm giving him options, like, bro, like, I don't know what to do at this point. I put two copyright strikes in to, like, get his attention. He said, fuck it. I remember he was talking to someone, and that person came to me was like, he don't even care, bro.

Like, he don't even get. And I was like, I already know how J-main is. Like, that's the type of dude he is. He'll be like, just take it. Like, I'd rather you take it than not give you your money. And I'm going to show you that I could double up. He did it, though. He did it.

So, boy, shout out to you for giving that. That's his villain origin story. The woop. The woup, man. I'm the original woup man. The original. I'd have started the wops. You handed out the whooping.

Hitting out the whooping. Hey, yo, Digi Prada. Appreciate you coming up, man. I'm glad we got to, like, correct the record. We don't oftentimes get to hear from the producers who kind of get screwed over in the whole process of making the records that y'all love. So, yeah, hopefully Ruga can come to his senses.

Maybe he'll treat his next producer better. Obviously, you got big things coming either way. We're going to make sure. I feel like you're a good dude. I feel like the universe going to work in your favor. I hope you'll Ruga could just make back up, though. That's what I'm pushing for. Man, it looks like I'm drinking guacamole, huh?

You know, that's good. Yeah, we're good, man. Did you proud of Thunkey, Man. Shout out to Remo. No Jummer, coolest podcast. Like, a comment, and subscribe. Got to read them comments. Appreciate y'all.