No Jumper - DJ Phat on Growing Old in the Underground, Tay K, Nettspend, Lean & More

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

DJ Phat talks about Carti, Tay K, 2004, selling shirts on Melrose, Duwop, the mixtape era, the Soundcloud era, and more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world, and I'm in here today with my man Remo, and we're doing an essential interview with an underground legend, somebody who I know is going to fill in a ton of blanks in terms of what's been going on in the culture for many years now. DJ Fat in the building. How are you feeling, man? Gang, I'm feeling good. I appreciate you for having me for sure. I'm excited to have you on here. Like, to be honest, I really kind of became aware of you during the TAKEA era. Yeah. But let's go all the way back to the beginning where exactly you from and everything like that. I'm from Jersey, Central Jersey. I've been doing this for a while. What really made me start doing it was just like for the love of music,

being able to buy mixtapes at a young age, going to Newark, New Jersey, downtown New York, New Jersey. I used to go sneaker shopping a lot. What kind of mixtapes were you copying out there at the time? Same thing. I dropped like DJ compilation tapes. So it's like whatever you weren't able to listen to on the radio, like, they would have it on the tape. Like, like, whatever Little Wayne dropped on that Piff, CD right there on the corner of the hood.

Like, so I'm always, every Saturday, I'll go with my pops in Newark. And when I go grab my kicks, I'm grabbing a few CDs as well. And, you know, like, that just started it from there. I'm like, damn, I want to, you know what I'm saying, put music together like this. That was an era where, like, music felt so unbelievably important. And, like, going out and buying mixtapes and, like, just the vice-tapes. and just the vibe of mixtapes, even though, like, technically it could be the same as an album.

It just felt so free because they were able to use whatever samples and have all kinds of crazy shit. Like, it would really feel like when I was copping, like, Dipset and Gune and Wayne mixtapes and, like, oh, he just, like, locked in and made this, like, a week ago. Like, this is, like, straight from the fucking artist, which was, like, kind of just, like, a way different vibe than albums at the time. Because at the time, albums had so much, like, pop hits on them,

even for, like, gangster ass main. stream rappers, they would still have like random songs for the girls and shit. Like the mixtape vibe around that era like 2002 to like 2007 was so fucking sick. Yeah, honestly like a lot of people in the music industry

don't really understand how important that era was or even still to this day how important mixtapes are to an artist is, you know what I'm saying? A whole catalog and everything because you know like I feel as if when an artist can make a mixtape rather than the album it's like

a lot of the Lord comes behind the mixtapes and what comes to the album, you know what I'm saying, building up to that, you know? The modern equivalent of like a mixtape is like SoundCloud because you can just upload it real quick and not have to worry about the samples or whatever, at least for a period of time. Yeah.

Like I treat SoundCloud like my, it's like my personal radio station, you know? So like, it's like whatever I like or whatever I feel like the world are like, I'm going to play it. And if they don't like it, I'm sure they're going to let me know in the comments. or the plays, you know, everything will show

is so, so. 100%. What was the first mixtapes you was, like, copping earlier on? I know you said Wayne, but, like, outside of that, like, that you can remember that you was like, ah, yeah.

A lot of the mix tapes at the time, like, were, like, fake mix tapes, you know what I mean? Like, you know how they just have, like, it would be like, there's, example, it would be like Little Wayne,

there's no competition. It would be, it'll really be, like, dedication five, though. You get what I'm saying? But, uh. Or, like, Wayne was supposed to drop an album or a mixtape with Joel Santana called I can't feel my face

and I remember going to the fucking corner store and seeing a tape called I can't feel my face and buying it and bringing it home and realizing like this is not like thinking in my head like this is not out like how the fuck do they have it and then buying it and being like oh these geniuses just titled it that shit yeah there was a lot of that

lighter yeah you want the drum you know we never lose it we never lose the lighter once yeah that's hard to still tight as steel that's why that's the one lighter that never goes away not uh one artist that comes to mine with like mixtapes and what i when i like really used to get into mix tapes a lot was like french montana coke boys like i used to love when he dropped mix tapes a lot like down in the east coast yeah he's so crazy that's a fact so okay you were just copping all that music and stuff but when did you

decide that you were going to actually give dj an a shot or music music industry in general all right so boom um before doing all the DJ stuff like showing my love to music I was heavily into uh fashion like sneakers and you know just putting that shit on so and this was like back in middle school I was always like the kid with the Jordans a week a month early tops like whatever like they expect me to every time I walk out the home room I got the newest Jordan so I was kind of known for that and one day I remember walking out to the walking out to the to, uh, was it lunch? And I seen somebody selling

mixtapes and I looked at his feet and he had some fresh-ass air maxes. So I was just intrigued already. Like, I asked him what was his name? He told me his name. And I was like, what, what's you selling these tapes for? He's like, shit, I'm trying to get another pair of Jordans. I like making music.

I'm trying to get to the money. I was like, facts. I bought one. I remember going home, getting off the bus, listening to it with my mom hearing it. And I was like, I want to help him. Like, whatever help he needs, I just want to help him.

Like, I want him to get to the next level. I f*** with it in the music. Like, he's the only person in school doing music, like trying to follow their dreams. So I'm just help him. And then after that, I kind of became, like, his manager with another friend of mine.

And then that friend had downloaded virtual DJ. And I was like, shit, I want to, I'm going to download it too. Downloaded it. Made my first mix. And then after that, like, after I dropped my first mix, made it, dropped it, people were just showing me so much love, like they were just like, you should just DJ, go ahead

and I'm like, I already bet. So it just made sense for real. Right. Yeah. Definitely. So, okay, once you start DJing, though, like, how's that go? What's the process like, or how far did you take it before you started, like, kind of branching out? Everything happened very quick.

Like I said, I dropped my mix. As soon as I dropped the mix, it was a group in New Jersey at the time called 2004 and they was they reached out and was like you should DJ like come DJ this next party I DJed their next party like a week after that and they were like become our DJ and then after that I'm doing shows every week with them every other week they were like the only people in Jersey that like was hip to the underground at that time like they was knowing like what oh no was they was already around Uno, Cardi, like Polari, Kevin Polari, the ASAP members, ASEP ILS,

they were just all around everything. So what was on, like, 2015, 2016? Yeah, it was like 2015. Yeah, so they basically, like, put me in, like, put me in the field with this stuff. And then, like I said, they was already connected with so much stuff going on. So it just, like, it just, like, it just flowed for real. that same year in 2015 probably like a month after they told me to DJ for them

I went to South by Southwest with them and like everything just made sense for real after that going forward like people was already recognizing me when I was out there it was just I think I went to that one too in 2016 I went to South by Southwest and it was definitely like one of the first times where I was kind of overwhelmed by how many people knew me and I was just like oh

yeah like this is real yeah like because you're surrounded by so many like people who are fans of underground music that you could be somebody who's like not really that pop in your regular life but you go to this thing and it's like holy fuck everybody knows me like and I remember like there's even still a bunch

of videos on the channel of like a cardy performance that he did at some show and like I feel like Southwest Southwest seems pretty washed at this point like I don't hear anybody sounding excited about it for quite a few years now. Yeah it's not the same no more right.

Like this year I only seen at least like one show that was like Cool, but other than that it was like no, I was supposed to go to to South by Southwest, but Literally I wasn't wanting I didn't want to go for just one show, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah Because out there it's it's like a whole scene of like you're just going to so many things and like seeing so many artists, but now it just feels hell of like weird and corporate and like I don't see any flyers that seem exciting, but even honestly in 2016 it was kind of weird because you would see like 10 flyers that had like Lil Yadi's name on it and you'd be like what the that and then like he wouldn't show up to a bunch of them or like it would be like a 10 minute performance and you'd realize like oh all these rappers are just getting bags to like get their

names put on these flyers and just you know it just kind of took a lot of the fun away from it that took the lure away from that but at that time and no south by southwest was lit i f***ed that shit i fuck with texas too for real in 2015 that same year you ended up DJing the set for cardi yeah uh so The group that I mentioned in 2004, they were managed by somebody that was managing Uno as well at the time. Like as soon as Uno came about, he was already like on it. You know, he was already on Fawny, yeah, Uno and Cardi. Like, I'm pretty sure they first time coming to New York or New Jersey was because of the people behind the group I was.

So they had did a show, they had, Uno had did a show with us in Newark and then he had Cardi pop out. And then they had, we had performed what, like three months before the song came out. That song was recorded in Jersey too. Like a lot of that music at the time that Cardi dropped or funny dropped, it was like based in Newark. So that was pretty cool. Like I didn't even know.

And this is awful records Cardi at the time. Yeah, yeah. And that was crazy because when that song, came out everybody thought that uno was about to like explode because that song was popping as fuck but then him and cardi fell out like relatively soon after that yeah i don't even suck for remember why that happened um i don't know 10 years ago but i believe like i just felt like it's from uh when it came down to business like only one person you know like i feel like rocky might have looked at it like they kind of all sound the same like i'm

I'm gonna just go with the one person that I feel like best matches where I want, you know, for ASAP and what he wants to do for the vision he has. Did you see Cardi being that special at that time? Like, would you have thought like this is going to be the dude who kind of shapes the culture for many years? Yeah, I kind of seen the Lord starting, like, seeing how everybody was just like so excited and like even the way he carried himself, like even before I DJ for him, probably like a year before that, Off of Records did a tour And he was on that tour

And I literally went just to see him He didn't perform here But he took like two hours to pop out And when he finally popped out He did Broke Boy right before it dropped As well like three months before it dropped And he performed it dropped the mic and left But at that time when he's performing it

Like again it was on release So you just felt the vibe you're like damn And then he drops the mic and leave, like, that's it. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was, it was hard. And even during that era, Cardi was the dude who, like, in between every project, his whole sound and style would switch up so much.

So, like, even me, like, I was on Vlad the other day and we were talking about how fucking weird it is that he switches his voice and shit like that. But, like, that always kind of has been his thing. Like, every project just sounded so different. And there was always a lot of time between it. And, like, even when you're saying him, like, dropping the mic like that, like, I've seen him do a lot of shit like that.

over the years where he was just so rare like that shit is him it's not just him like putting on an act he actually is mysterious and weird and yeah yeah that's really him that's fine people think like that's like uh like that's cosplay of him or you know what i'm saying but now that's really cardy right that's far i fuck with cardi for sure yeah because if i had an artist i would probably tell him to do shit like that but like it definitely like he just is that guy yeah why you think carty decided to go with uh rocky over staying with uh father an awful father than that shit going on right i mean i don't i wouldn't say he didn't have nothing going on but it would just make sense to you know like to you know what i'm saying like rocky was

rocky at that time and you know what i'm saying if father couldn't if father had the the the things that rocky could do to you know what i'm saying up a artist then it would have been a different you know what i'm saying i feel like he probably would have stood with rocky but I mean with father, but, you know, Rocky had everything, you know what I'm saying? The artist could as work, you know, like. Yeah, like father's lit on like an underground Atlanta level. But then, you know, he's got these opportunities right in front of his face that are like, oh, I could be with people who are doing cool, creative shit, but you guys are already

fucking huge and like really having money like that. I mean, I can't. Yeah, I don't know. Like, realistically, probably he was mainly fucking with awful because they were just like the first people to fuck with him. Right. You know, that was like so early on for him that they saw the, they saw the talent, but they probably wasn't the, damn, y'all, I remember hearing shit about how he got out of that awful contract and people being threatened and stuff. I probably shouldn't speak on it, but I remember hearing about crazy shit back then. Man, that's crazy.

I didn't even know he was signed. Yeah, people present for him. I feel like father could have been a lot more demanding in terms of Cardi's contract. But I believe from what I remember hearing at the time that there was definitely some pressure. put on them. But that's somebody else's story to tell you. Okay, so where are we? We just got kind of derailed with dissecting Cardi for a little bit there.

But, okay, how did you find out about Take-K? Should we go to that, or is anything we have to hit before that? I met Take-A through the group 2004, my bro, Ui. One of those parties that we end up doing in Newark every other weekend. he was like fat you gotta play this one song he played his uh i forgot what the it was like take his first songs it was before the race right yeah yeah way before it was like this is like two years before um he plays a song and now i just

seen him viving with the homies and i'm like damn it's just hard it's cool um i went home after that looked him up followed him i followed pimpe's as well and then uh azara too because they were all daytona boys at the time I remember hitting Take-K up like I'll fuck with you I want to You know what I'm saying I help you whatever way I can I was trying to make clothes at the time too

So I was like let's collab Daytona boys Visions of the youth That's what the brand was called at the time Like let's do whatever And he was just with it you know And then um Shout out of 2004 for real

Cause they're the ones that really like Put that together for real But that was just on some like You know just regular You know Like that was the homie for I was genuinely the homie you know And then um

So were you? You're part of the reason why he ended up going to Jersey when he was on the run? Yeah. He was supposed to come link up with us for real. But shit just got crazy. Did you know what the nature of his cases were at the time or why they were searching for him? Yeah, we all knew. We all knew what was going on for real.

It was just trying to help him as much as we could for real. We knew we really couldn't do much, but, you know, he definitely. kind of put himself in a situation or it was like no hands could really you know what I'm saying hope at this point so do you remember why that song dropped on the buffet boys YouTube channel at the time uh which was like Shows at Nick he was just showing love like at that time a lot of people were just DMing him like wherever however we can hope like let's hope and they was just like can we drop the video on our YouTube and you know just show support they rebranded that channel It's just something else recently.

For real? Yeah, it's like a different name now. I don't know if it's still the same ownership and everything. Damn. T.K. the race. No, it was a lot of people at the time, like, reaching out and just helping us, like, and it was pretty far to see the community come together for Tate for real. Yeah, it's still dropping hell of Pooja shit and everything,

but it's now called All But Six. I guess that's what they changed it from, from Buffet Boys. interesting all but six okay I'm out of the loop damn is buffet boy still a thing then I feel like they changed it to be like something more professional sounding or cooler sounding or some shit it's not like anybody ever pronounced it right anyway before you was with working with tech hey and shit like was there any other artists that really locked in that you locked in with before you got to like who was the first artist that you felt like embraced you It was the group 2004 specifically.

If it wasn't for them, like, I wouldn't probably be here, you feel me? Because they just put me in so many, like, put me through so many doors just being with them DJ and for them. Like, just out of love too. I just wanted to see me, you know what I'm saying? Just believing in the vision. They seen it before I did, you know? Yeah. Like, they synced the package and, you know what I'm saying?

It was just, like I said, bro, just hit me up and said DJ for me, one of the members. And so I was just focused at that time I was just building with them And just dropping with them Because they understood it the most You know what I'm saying? Like now it's a common thing There's a lot of other DJs

I try to, you know what I'm saying Do the same thing with the content But you know what I'm saying At that time it wasn't too many people Reaching out to me When I was reaching you know what I'm saying They didn't even like kind of understood What a fad like a DJ exclusive was

You know what I'm saying? And you still living in Jersey at this time Yeah yeah that's where I met them at They lived in like 10 minutes away from Newark. So were you actually recording with Takeda while he was like posted up in Jersey on the run and shit? No, no. He wasn't recording at that time? I believe he recorded like two, three songs, but his focus was really like get out of Jersey at that time too.

Because time was just, time was just moving real fast, you know, like people were figuring out he was in Jersey. So we just, you know what I'm saying? There was really no time for the music. and then you know the race was going so crazy like you know but the race well okay so the song was out but the video didn't come out until right after he got caught yeah like we dropped we dropped that song on his birthday that was just like you know I'm saying for his birthday it was his birthday release uh-huh I mean it wasn't nothing else for real because you know like people don't know like before he's been to jail before that

you know like he was already like you know so it must have felt crazy because you like knew how much potential he had and how big he could be, but then you're putting the music out and he's getting bigger, but then you're also knowing that he's going to have to go sit down probably for a long time. Yeah, like, honestly, like a lot of people at the time were probably like, yeah, fat, like, you know, like, you should be mad, like, real excited for this moment to be having it. And I kind of was, but wasn't because Tay wasn't here to, you know what I'm saying, like be here to live it with us as well, because this is at the end day, you know, his song too, you know?

Yeah, he blew the fuck up, but he couldn't do anything with it besides, like, you know, have his family and the people around him trying to monetize the work that he had already done. But it's not like we've even seen him since that shit besides just random photos. It kind of even feel fair for real. You know, it kind of like, I was just like, damn. Like, I just wishing he was there for real with us. Then it would have felt like 100%. Definitely. So what involvement did you have, like, after he got, he got, he got,

picked up and stuff like were you still moving around with like Ezra and all those types of people like trying to help keep shit moving or did you just kind of fall back yeah i just let Ezra do his job for real um and then i just focused on just finding the next artist and because at that time you know everything the you know the light was on me so now people were understanding with the DJ fat you know what's the law behind it so now that just all the artists are hitting me up that i couldn't and you know what I'm saying, get to before. Now I'm actually doing what I wanted to do.

And how did you explain, like, the importance of doing the DJ exclusive thing? Because it's like, that shit was such a big deal back in the day, in, like, the radio era and shit. But then in the internet era,

it's, like, kind of harder to explain that to certain artists. But then I also feel like now we're in this weird-ass era where, like, Drake is leaking his fucking Kendrick discs to academics. So it's like, all of a sudden, people are kind of, like,

tapped into the idea of, like, a DJ exclusive again in a way. weird way, but like, how did you communicate that to artists who might be kind of confused about it? I explain, I basically just tell the artist, like, you know, I have a following just off of just being me realistically, so, like, you know, people are going to follow whether I put on some, I put on somebody's clothing brand, people are going to rock with it, post somebody's music, you know what I'm saying? People just trust my ear, my voice, like the vision that I got. So,

I just really ask for artists to take a shot and most of the time, you know, as I see, as y'all see, it works. Yeah. Definitely. So you moved to L.A. soon after that, or how did that work? When we dropped this song, the homies, the 2004 homies had got an apartment out here. I had came out here like the week after they got it, I was supposed to be. day for two weeks, dropped the song, like a couple days after I came out here, and it was

going up, you know what I'm saying? It hit 20K, like the first day, then the next day it's like 50. Now it's on the top charts. Like, every day was giving me a reason for myself not to go back home. You know what I'm saying? We had sell, we were selling the shirts on Melrose. The same day we did that, you had hit us up. The next day we're doing a pop-up. Which Blasey designed that Taked shirt, too, which is crazy. At the time, it was like just Kim got, or Camgirl got like a DJ, or a graphic designer to do it. I didn't know that this was Blasie or like that he would go on to do all the shit he did, which is kind of crazy too. Yeah, Shouts and Blassey.

He's really, he's been tapped in. Yeah, 100%. But yeah, I appreciate you for real for giving us the opportunity, too. Oh, no, that was crazy, bro. I felt terrible, though, because I got, I did like a TK phone interview and then he got caught up because he got he mentioned having a fucking iPad on the fucking interview. And like somehow that didn't get cut out. And they like ready to sell and took his fucking iPad from him.

And I'm just sitting there knowing it was like totally because of the interview. But I don't know why the fuck he said that in the first place. That's kind of wild. He probably didn't realize how big he was. That like, oh no, everyone's going to hear this. Yeah. Yeah. At that time he definitely didn't know, you know, like he's just hearing everything from the outside and just, you know what I'm saying?

only can imagine for a you know so yeah so when wasn't when you was like i need to move to LA and try to get some shit going like I know you moved out here but like what meant was the final decision for you to like come out here and try to network and make your move that same week doing that pop-up at no at the no jumper and then like a few days after that like money was coming in so much i was like i don't have to go home like i could literally i made i made rent in the day I was like, yeah, there's no point of going back. You was living with Duop King out here? Yeah.

All right. How y'all is? It was doing with Duop Diego Money and then 2004. Yeah. That's crazy. I haven't thought about it in a while. Yeah. Shout to Diego.

How all y'all get locked in and shit and meet? I met Duop the same day. We were selling shirts outside of the day before the No Jumper. It was outside that wing. that wing place wing uh fuck what is a hot wing cafe yeah wing cafe on the corner so we were selling shirts out there

he had pull up with quincy and Ezra's yeah Ezra had drove him there and um do I just automatically show love to me we have talked prior to that I had sent him um I had sent him an open um a take a like like a couple days after the race I dropped in the lower you know what I'm saying popping up I had sent him like

I sent him to open like get on this like before you I'm saying before it gets too late he had jumped on it made the song so that's how we first initiated the relationship but but seeing him that day like we just automatically clicked he was just cool as hell like cool as cool as little kid no yeah he was fucking supposed to be like the next dude at that time we were so geeked about him when I got that interview early on and yeah he was so young and so different I'm like looking at his YouTube right now just like seeing how his shit is doing these days like you ever still talk to him do you think he could still blow up as an artist and everything yeah i still talk to him i love duos that's my brother for real like um and i do believe

so because a lot of these artists that are coming out today like you could hear duop in them you know like at least i can for i hear the influence see the influence so to this day a lot of everybody's favorite artists are bumping duop or as a fan been a fan or you know like duop This is one person that's just, he's stamped. Like, he's, to me, he's going to be good forever as long as he's consistent with his work. Definitely. Yeah. So have you just always felt like you had the ability to kind of spot really talented artists before they blew up?

And has your attitude towards like what you want to do with that ability changed over the years? Because like all these early artists, it's not like you're signing them or anything like that. You're just trying to fuck with them a little bit, do an exclusive, whatever. Like, do you now think of that like, oh, damn, I need to. actually try to get some of these dudes under contract and shit like that yeah now it's like like the past like year too i really been like okay it's time to take it to the next level for like like it's time it's it's been time i i gave it enough time for it i feel like especially with the last few artists that i've worked with like people could really be like okay i really do trust you know

i'm saying if i's been doing this for too long for us to not you know what i'm saying we can't even ignore it at this point he's behind everything You know? Like whether I'm behind so many things like If like whatever you think I'm not You know what I'm saying? Fast there. Fast.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because when I think about that time period Like I spent so much time going to shows And like being around all these people and and doing the interviews and stuff But then a lot of times the person who really made money off the artist Would be like a random fucking A&R dude who realistically did not know shit But he swooped in at the right time or not even A&R a lot of time

It was just like a guy with money or like a local label who ends up signing the dude. And then, you know, I'm not profiting off it. Sure, that's cool. But then also you see them like basically mismanaged their career after that. And you realize like the dude who signed him doesn't know what the fuck to do with them. I hate them. And that's why I'm here for, I'm trying to eliminate that. It's time for them to go.

Those people are not here providing, helping for the culture. They're just vultures. We don't need that. I don't believe we need that for real. Right. I, no. Because you're in the mix, just being creative or like, let's make music. Let's like actually like roll the shit out, make some big moments. But then there's other people thinking like, oh, okay, let's, I'm going to sign you.

Like I'm a, I'm like really profit off you, which at a certain point that kind of, as a creative person, you realize like, oh, fuck. Like, I'm not going to like, like, I'm not necessarily benefiting because I was coming from a more positive place. Yeah. And then it's even more weird when they try to just cut you out of it too. Yeah, Adam, I don't like that type of attitude with the labels and all that, the A&Rs. No, that's why I was like I got to like these past two years, like I said, I'm ready to just put my foot down and really get into it for real. Yeah, so who like, I mean, because there's so many like artists you worked over the years and everything like that. but what keeps you kind of like so into the underground like because a lot of times it feels like

people expect you to graduate out of that shit as you get more successful or like older and shit like that people are like coming up to me when we went to the fucking laser dim show just like what the fuck are you doing it this is crazy I'm like oh that's funny you guys think that I can't even like appreciate this shit anymore because I'm 40 yeah no at the end of the day it's music yeah I don't even look at it, like, I don't even like boxing in this, like, as underground. I just look at it as, you know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, like, you know, SoundCloud's been forever. Drake was, you know what I'm saying?

I was listening to Drake when he was dropping music on SoundCloud. I listened to all these, all the artists, like, Post Malone, 21 Savage, all of them, they popped on SoundCloud. They're, you know what I'm saying? The biggest artists, you know what I'm saying, today. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like I don't really see the A difference for real Or I can't box it in

Like I just see it as all the same And like I don't know I just I just love what I do for I just like Just being behind something That I fuck with for real

When I see the vision Like I feel it fucking with a person I just go all in and just You know Let's say hypothetically If you had signed Post Malone or you're like post Malone's

dude rolling around managing him or some shit and like all of a sudden you're just having stupid amounts of money and you're out of this big industry shit do you think that that would make you just be like well fuck all these underground shows or do you think that that is something that's like permanently part of you? No yeah it's permanently. I wouldn't want to change it either.

I wouldn't want to change the formula at all because like what I do is great and like I said it my motion is never like it never really stopped. DJ Fat Exclusives is never really really you know what I'm saying so everything I'm doing to this to this point you know I'm saying is it's good to me at least like it's good for everybody I fuck with it 100%

what you feel like was like the first exclusive that you got where niggas was like oh yeah I need to tap in and get an exclusive with them too um like it was up after that one it was really it was really to take hey for real like after that they really understood where it would you know what I'm saying where the song would take them like it really clicked down for a lot of artists like it just made sense so that really that really been that moment really benefited me for real like and the platform and just like the culture of DJing you know what I mean like like like a lot of like I feel like a lot of people can't a lot of DJs right now can't even make that same accomplishment like in my realm like I had a song on the radio with my tags on

it you know what I'm saying like it was a real DJ Fat exclusive on a radio at a point in time like that's what I'm saying I don't think another DJ that's trying to do what I do can do that how much you actually DJ like at clubs or events and stuff like that like how motivated do you feel to do it in real life I don't really DJ as often as I used to like I'm more so like artists I like being like an artist development more than DJing like when I was first out here that's when my time like was like I was just DJing almost every show show every other you know what I'm saying every week like because if you want to be outside doing that

shit like it's not a crazy amount of money realistically but it's definitely like right there for you and it's a crazy like networking opportunity and like way to stay super in touch with that shit like I'm kind of jealous of the people I know DJ and stuff because I know that they're more up close and personal with the culture a lot of times than I get to be by not choosing to be in those environments as much yeah that's what I'm always I'm always in the environment I wake up to the environment and like And that's another reason too. Like there's not too much money into like actually DJing. So it was like I want to be rare.

I don't want to like over exaggerate myself with being outside like that. You know what I mean? Like how did you meet DJ Renancy? Like what's our relationship? Um, shit. I just seen him on Twitter one day. And I seen that he was from Jersey's. He was DJing.

dropping exclusives too and I was like all right five let me link up with bro and um yeah yeah you're like the tastemakers in this shit you know what I'm saying y'all y'all got everybody really tuned in to what y'all got going on and like all the new underground artists y'all fucking with be like taking off I seen you

was working with Brennan Jones too yeah shout out of getting I fuck with bro yeah where bro from I'm seeing him from recent he's from Duval Florida oh right that's in Jacksonville or something yeah how y'all get tired of it? He's been hitting me up before prior because he used to make clothes Like a lot of people on IG sent me clothes you know for like promo

They like you know what I'm saying they want to see fat put it on So he was just hitting me up like two three years ago to give me a hoodie And then I seen him I seen him drop that one his first snippet I went to the DM seen that you know what I'm saying in the history I was like Alright bet yeah you know what I'm saying let's work and then And I got on the phone with him. We chopped it up. He sent me a couple songs.

I picked a song to drop. It was pretty foul. I was fucking with it. Hit him up again. Like, let's drop a video. Let's do the video. He pulled up. We did the video.

Easy. That's usually how it works, though. Like, the artist is sending you multiple songs to choose from and you pick whatever you want to give on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or it's like, depending on the artist, like, I will get in the studio lock in.

I grab the studio. I'll have beats, you know, I have almost, I'm locked in with almost all the producers. So sometimes I'll have specific producers send me beats and let them know like, hey, I'm about to be with so-and-so. I'm going to try and put, you know, one and two together tonight in the studio. Send me what you can, you know? And then just go forward like that. So you still like look for artists all the time and reach out to artists and shit like that?

Like, what's your ideal way if you find artists in Florida that you're really hyped on? Like, what's your ideal way to work with them? if you really 100% believe that they could be huge? Most of the time when it's like that, the artist, I'll tell the artist, like, man, make that flight to wherever I'm at the time and let's lock in, I'm going to grab the studio, whatever you need, you know, and we can work, you know what I'm saying? Like, I like to work hands-on, like any other way I feel as if, like,

this doesn't work, at least for me, you know, like. Like, let's hop on FaceTime for an hour. and then I'm just going to send you some beats and like maybe you're motivated enough to send him back to me. Yeah, I don't, one thing about fat is, like, fat doesn't like being on the phone for real. He's, like, I like, my communication is going to be,

like, you're not going to feel it on the phone. Like, and I don't feel like I can express it as much as it will be when we're not in person, you know what I'm saying? For real, like, we can hang out or we could text, but, like, that middle ground of being on the phone for me is just, like, not really my thing. Like, I'm trying to be on the phone for, like, five minutes. Yeah, and that's it. And that's what, like, I, that with every relationship I have,

like, my friends, my girlfriend, I don't like being on the phone, no, everything, you know what I'm saying, in person. Like, I know people who travel and they'll be on their phone with their girl for a couple hours at night, and I just, I'm like, no, like, I'll do 10 minutes and I'm good. Yeah, no. So, yeah, everything isn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I like build, like, building it day by day type of, you know, that's what works. for me. How much inspiration do you get from like ASAP yams? Man so much. People don't even remember how crazy like his image was at the time and like just how gnarly that whole movement was. I feel like it's kind of unappreciated, you know, like so that's why I go so hard to bring up yams and

almost anything I do, like almost every tape I try to contribute, you know what I'm saying, in some way. I'm starting to drop merge for my brand's hip-in-piece. One of the first jerseys is going to be, one of the first pieces is going to be a jersey, a hockey jersey that looks like the Hennessy Supreme jersey. It's basically like a bite. A little rip off that. And, you know, yams have word.

You know what I'm saying? So everything's just yams. you know, trying to make sure that year by year, you know what I'm saying that we get further, that he's not forgotten, you know? 100%. But did you ever talk to him and shit back in the day? I had met him once.

I got that picture. I don't know if you seen the picture of me and him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was with my dad going shopping in New York one day, and I just walked past, like, Supreme. He was just chilling. I walked up to him like, bro, I really fuck with you. Like, you don't even know, like,

how much you influenced me. And, you know, he was just chilling like, nonchaline, like, yeah, you know, appreciate you gang. And I remember asking him, like, when you about to drop a long live ASAP or whatever the tape was at the time? He said, I was about to come out in a couple days, bro. Hey, it was just cool. Because, like, it was the first time I'd ever seen anybody really do this where, like, we were, like, me and everybody else I knew who was into underground rap was following him on Tumblr. And he would talk to you. Like, you could just DM him on Twitter and he would just fully be having conversations with you.

And he built up his tumbler, like, to a, to the point where. where everybody was just looking at him as like a taste maker, 100%. But he would be posting a lot of like old ads from the source. And like, you know, but then he would link to like some random SoundCloud song for some rapper. Or like, you know, he would just, everything though was so aesthetic and so dope and so cool. And he had Rocky for like over a year, like a couple years, I believe, where he was like working with him on the music and stuff. And then he puts Rocky's first music out on his platform. and it just so fit 100% with the aesthetic

that he had been cultivating and then Rocky was just out of here after that and it's like in the story of Rocky's career that doesn't get enough discussion of just how he fucking basically like built this platform to be the perfect launching pad for that it was fucking crazy. That was literally the key to it, you know?

Like RIP to you and for real like like I said I that right there was literally the the steps, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was easy as that. Like, him being behind Rocky for those two, three years, amping them up. Like, people don't know how much that really influenced Rocky for real.

And shout out to everybody from ASAP, but as soon as the Ams was gone, the group basically damn near fell apart. And then realistically, like, you know, obviously Ferg's done well for himself. Rocky's always going to be Rocky, but, like, it didn't really. keep going from there.

Like he was such a crucial part of all that, I think. Yeah. Even though I think even when he was alive, he was kind of already looking past it, and he was working with shitloads of artists that didn't really, like, fit into the ASAP thing. Yeah, and yeah, he made, like, his own little niche, which I fucked with too, and made it, you know what I'm saying?

It was, like, at that time, like, whatever he ems was, you know what I'm saying? Was rocking with, you know what I'm saying? The fans was automatically because they know, you know what I'm saying? Whatever he was doing is dope. I've interviewed, like, dozens of artists who basically, just had a part of their career where they got off the ground because of yams just reaching out to them like so many over the years it's crazy it's fire yeah r pd yams for real facts how did you

all meet glock 40 spas um that was through ren oh right ren had put me on the uh glock early and then one day run was living in Atlanta he was like fat i'm about to have a glock and um his homies pull up They pulled up and they just had that energy like you know shirts off Um backpacks sticks Yeah you know what I'm saying like it was it was it was it was it was it was cool like it was cool so and then that was the same day I met Glock I had met A little EBG and that was prior to him even rapping So like while uh

Glock when they had made their appearance to the to the crib like like I said they just had that energy And um ran through on the song song they start rapping it then EBG starts trying to rap but he just started freestyle and we're like okay little bro like all right best start start rap how old is he at the time like 14 yeah he was like he was like he was probably like yeah 13 14 you feel me then um next day we had uh we had a we had a producer in the in the crib and we was like come on go ahead and then he made his first song so it was just like after that you just kept going and Glock was just you know what I'm saying right behind him And then they just made that EBG, they little click just go up.

So shout out. You think when he get out, he's going to be up for him? Yeah, yeah. I feel like, you know, even with him being in jail, he's consistent with dropping. So as long as he's consistent, still after when he comes out, and I know he will. I know he's just got that energy. Young Bull just got it. So, yeah, when he come out, he'd be good.

Yeah, I think he's going to take all too. Yeah, he's going to be straight for sure. Because you've seen that kind of dynamic play out with a million artists, though, where, like, they come out, they're hot for whatever, like, a couple months, six months, maybe a year, but they don't, like, manage to really, like, seize it. Like, he's somebody where I feel like he's got enough energy behind him that, like, him going to jail for a year or two, ain't going to really fuck shit up. But do you worry about that with, like, artists?

because you've seen so many people who basically, like, seemed like they had it, and then either they signed or they didn't sign, and either way it just kind of like peters out, and maybe they're, like, looked at as, like, an underground legend, but they don't really get the credit of, or, like, they don't really be able to build, like, a business or, like, get, like, a real serious fan base going.

Like, like, what are your thoughts on that? Man, it just, it just sucks, because I feel like when people don't, like, don't seize the moment, they just don't really get what's going. going on like everything's happening so fast so it's just like you know again when you come into it you got to just like really be like focus know what you're doing make sure you got somebody or at least be aware of the business that it comes with as well because when that moment comes you just got

you know what I'm saying just grab it take it and make the best out of it because you know what I'm saying you never know tomorrow you know what I'm saying because like the other day I really started to smoke perp because like you and me both remember smoke perp out was like the hot new artist that everybody's fucking with you. I had one of the first lyrical lemonade videos that really blew up. Like everybody fucking with it. And then fast forward however many years. And it's like now he's basically like a punching bag online.

But I was just hitting him being like, bro, like I still think your music could really do something. Like if you had like the right team who was able to put you in the right situations and stuff. Like if he was if he was in a good spot mentally, aka not fucked up on drugs that bad, I still feel like if the music was that good that given the fact that like a lot of people have counted them out that we could kind of like make something that made sense but I don't know it's like a lot of it is it becomes really hard for dudes because they get stuck in their own head of feeling like everybody hates them

and then that fucks up their confidence in terms of like what kind of music they want to make and shit and I know a ton of people that are in that position but I do feel like there's some SoundCloud careers that could be revived that people might be like open-minded now. Yeah, I believe so too. It's like, just like you said, it really be like a head thing with a lot of people and then

sometimes it'd be the drugs as well. So it's just like, and you know what I'm saying? As long as you're consistent, you believe in yourself, it could happen. Like, all it takes is there's one song for you to just get, you know what I'm saying? Because people want to see you rapping from the perspective of not having any expectations.

You know, like people get excited about the laser dim thing because it sounds like he doesn't give a fuck and he's just in his own world doing his own thing and that's very exciting to people but once you get to the point where it sounds like you're trying to make a song that'll get you some money and make your

career get back on track like that's very unattractive to people they want to hear some raw shit yeah exactly I hate when that happens too because it's like the artist is just like damn it's like you lost it the fans see it and it's just like I don't know

I don't know Yeah, I was on your YouTube What's the series called? It's called Crash Out Boys Yeah It wasn't tell us about that What you got going on I feel like A lot of people don't really get to see

The behind the scenes And what a lot of I do goes on A lot of people still question what I do To this day So it's just like That's just a day-to-day vlog That I could bring to the people

And let them see what fat be doing for a What he be Or how his connections with the artist that he is with and you know what I'm saying just how he interact you know I like to I'm not afraid to show the people who fat is for real like everything is you know what I'm saying on the table like you know I'm not hiding nothing you know very open with everything you also got the uh Vlad it stands for a violent life around drugs yeah when you start uh fucking with that like when was that when did that become a thing

um so that that was that was zeli zeli ultra so i was something that he came up with um at the time when we started making music together like um he was just he was just one person that but seen the vision

believed it and just you feel me fat let's let's work and he took the wrist like he was one person that I said I said Zelly like I want you to work with me I don't want you to go back home stay you know what I'm saying let's take let's take this risk let's work

He's like, fuck, if I ain't going home, like, I believe in it. Let's work, you know? He didn't go home for like a whole month. We worked every day, and we went to the studio every night, 12-hour studio sessions, every night, for me. And then that really, that started life for real, like, us just, you know what I'm saying, living life. Kicking in. Yeah, kicking it, doing drugs, you know what I'm saying, just living life out here. Do you feel like, because a lot of people who's comparing, like, this new era of SoundCloud to, like, the 2016 era?

do you see it? Like, does it feel like that? No, not really. Like, I feel like, I feel like, uh, that arrow is unreplaceable for real. Like, the music, everything.

It's just, it will never be back to that at all. Like, if anything, it's just getting better for real. But. Because, like, back then, so much shit was going viral that, like, the people wouldn't really care about that much now. Like when you think about Little Pump It's like he's a crazy-ass little kid

With like green hair And he's like shooting a gun out The window of the car And shit like that Like people were just freaking out And losing their mind over this I don't think people would be as excited About that now

Even if it was like a new kid That was like just as entertaining And excited and shit like that You know Or like Now you just look burnt out He's crashing out Or like people

People were going hell of viral For just like taking a lot of Zanz Back then Yeah And that I don't think would be the same now because people would be like, you're going to die. Like this is irresponsible. Even the platform post it. Like we wouldn't even want to post it because it would look so like when young boy posts the photo with all the pills and shit, it's like it's more like people are just worried about him.

It's not like, oh hell yeah, that's sick. You got hell of pills. You know, like people are just, people are more jaded and they're more thoughtful about shit. So I feel like a lot of stuff from that era. But at the end of the day, it really is all about, like, talent and great music because during that era, you had, you know, a fucking juice world or an ex or all these dudes who have, like, gone on or, you know, if they had lived longer, would for sure still have, like, crazy careers, you know? It's all about, like, the superstars that emerge out of any given scene that kind of, like, immortalizes that scene. Like, Chicago Drill is one of the most famous music scenes of the last, of all hip hop time. but really there's like three big artists that came out of it.

Yeah, fact. Dirk, Chief Keefe, King Vaughn. Besides that, there's a lot of other like significant artists, but they're not huge. So it's like a scene becomes legendary, usually because of like one artist in particular or sometimes like a couple artists that blow up out of it, you know? Yeah, for sure. How you like in my boy, uh, beer one boss, man? there

I believe I believe I seen him on the ground Oh I seen When I seen them It was when Ian was Co-signing them a lot Oh Ian Connor

Yeah so Once I seen that I was just You know at that time I ain't really see Ian co-signing too many artists And like that realm again Like the underground realm

So I was like Oh let me see Yeah A mega powerful co-sign Yeah Probably slow those shit But like Especially back in

that early era? Yeah, facts. For sure. I was out here, too, at the time when I was getting to figure out who he was. Around that same time, I remember playing his music to Zelly. And I was like, Zellie, you fuck with Barry? He's like, hell yeah, bro, I felt like, how are you not hip already? You feel me?

Then I followed him. I hit him up. I was like, let's drop. He was just very easy. like, you know what I'm saying, to talk to, communicate with, and we just got straight to it. So, a bear is, like, one good artists,

one artist I really like working with a lot. It's very easy to work with him, me and him just. Down the earth. Yeah. I foggled him. It was hard. And another person I seen that you work with, I was like, bro, really being tuned in

because, like, Money Sean, he's from Atlanta. Yeah. How the fuck you know Money, Sean. Shit. Everybody know Money Sean. Yeah, yeah. I'm out here, people really, but out here in L.A., people aren't really tapped in.

But like Atlanta, he going crazy right now. Yeah, I mean, I spent some time in Atlanta, too, so, like, I'm just in every scene. Like, when I started, you know what I'm saying, the DJ Fat, shit, I just, at the time I went everywhere, I literally took a trip with 2004, and we took a road trip and stopped in every state and just, when we tapped in with the whole scene, every scene. And then when we went to Atlanta for real, that was like, man, we used to pull up to, you ever heard of Elsie Levi? No. Not a baby face Dixon. Where is that? It's in Atlanta?

No, no, those are artists. All right. And that's who you was volleyball? Yeah, and they were like the artists that developed a lot of the plug sound at the time. Like, they were the ones that were, like, recording with Uno and them, like, fun. Like a lot of the plug shit came from them like Terrence Escobar You ever you never and that's where you met

Money? Yeah money That's how like that's how I was just meeting everybody for in Atlanta Just going there like every time I go Atlanta That was like a pissed up to crib to go to and I was just meeting hell of people Every time I go it was just different person like a producer Would it just be you know? Yeah But when you tap in with artists like do you like to just work with a new person every day or every week or is your ideal situation that you would just find somebody you were so

hyped on that you just wanted to just 100% lock in with them and just be rolling with them for a significant period of time yeah I'm more so just locked in on I'll just lock in with one person at a time for real I don't like trying to like juggle a whole bunch of artists at once like or like a group or anything it's kind of just too much going on for a yeah it's like one artist at a time is really just it's cool who you want to lock in with uh right now um that you see like i want to float with this person fresh boy swag like we already i i drop a lot of we haven't dropped a lot of music here we just dropped our first single not too long ago but i want to like drop like a couple of tapes with him you know like he has like a very fire aesthetic and um i feel like my

aesthetic the dj aesthetic the mixtape shit will go hand in hand with his his uh fashion and his aesthetic with the music so i think it'll be some timeless music what happened with netspent uh what you mean what happened like what how do you discover him how uh exactly Xavier so bass had told me and Ren about him at the time. He was just like, yeah, fuck with, fuck with bro. He's from Virginia, you know? I was with Ren at the time when he did tell him that. And he had dropped a song from him.

I remember going back home that same day and just listen to the song in the Uber. And I'm like, bro, hard. Went on his sound cloud. I'm like, okay, yeah And then After that, I was just over with I told, I told Rand lock me in with him

I get his number, he sends me some songs And then we dropped our first single Gen 5 I don't know if you've seen that With the video, everything, and then Ever since then we were just locked in But did you guys fall out at some point? How'd that go? No, we didn't fall out.

I think, the internet just miscommunicated misconstruited what my trolling I was on live and I was trolling

because a lot of people a lot of people on the internet was like trolling me like being around that a lot like not understanding like you know like this is just regular

you know what I'm saying like just regular shit regular music shit like why would it not be you know what I'm saying supporting the youngest artists at the time you know what I'm saying like um so it's like at a time everybody just keep bowser and me about it so I was just online trolling like yeah I don't know what a little bro on I don't know what that's been doing like stop talking to me about bro and they just took it they just ran with it

on some right because in that one YouTube video they really are kind of trying push like a narrative about you that like you're old head who's still like hang out at underground shows getting fucking loaded and obviously that's always like as you get older in rap is always going to be that divide especially if you fuck with the underground like if you if you fuck with like you know the future fucking scene or whatever in you're 40 years old nobody gives a fuck because everybody involved in that shit is grown and shit but if you still go on underground shows as you get older at some point people are going to try to make it out that you're Whereas realistically, it's like a lot of the emerging talent comes from that world and it's kids who are

18 or whatever years old. Like, facts. I mean, like, at the end of the day the labels are going to these shows, like they're middle-aged men. Like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? When the artist gets signed or whatever the case may be. But a lot of times the label dudes are wearing like normal ass clothes and then they don't get fucked up. And that's, like, their way of, like, keeping this divide.

But, like, I feel like somebody like, you or me would get shit for it more because we're still smoking weed. We're still, obviously, you got the double cup right here. I don't know exactly what's going on with that. But, you know, like, if you're seen as, like, still partying and shit, then people will definitely, like, use that against you to paint a narrative that you're, you know, some crazy drug addict or whatever. Which is crazy for real. Let my man sip in peace, man. What's your relationship with lean at this point in your life? It's a love-hate thing.

I don't know, for real. I like lean. I just like sipping it. Yeah, I can't blame you. But it's definitely, have you dealt with the negative consequences of it? Not really. I think people, especially like me, they just, I don't know.

I might make it just look too good, I guess, or I don't know. but it's not like I don't sip like that for real I don't sip crazy enough for it to really affect you know what I got going on or anything for real yeah there's definitely a way to drink lean without letting it ruin your life yeah and then there's a way to drink lien that absolutely is ruin your life we've all seen it yeah you know what I'm saying it's like a lot of people let these drugs and everything else just take over them and consume them and you know I don't I don't I don't I can't allow that to happen. I never will. Definitely. How important you think SoundCloud is in like 2024? Like this new era? I think it's getting bigger. It's getting bigger about a year.

Like it could only go up. Like still too many artists is just getting, you know what I'm saying? Like going up like off a SoundCloud, off this free, you know what I'm saying, this free platform. I don't think it would ever go away for a real. A lot of people like to say like, oh, it's going to end, or we could bring back this error, this and the third. But, like, no, it's only going forward.

And, you know what I'm saying? We should, like, praise for that, you know? Sound glad I took your page at one point, right? Yeah, it was, like, it was a whole bunch of, I had got striked from a label. A artist had got signed at the time. And instead of just hitting me up, label just took it down you know so I just had to just get the label to you know what I'm saying

just do you go on do you go on SoundCloud and just let the algorithm guide you ever because that's something I did a lot of in like 2014 2015 we would just like sit around playing the SoundCloud play whatever song you want then just like see whatever it played next yeah you fuck with that like is that actually still work pretty good yeah yeah I like just going on the home page and just like seeing the little playlist is what's hot or you know what I'm saying whatever it is I'll just click see what's going on click on the artist and try and you know go in their profiles see what they got going on see what they like then you know what I'm saying just clicking on just clicking on there definitely it's going I'm saying just checking sound cloud out for real for sure um

do you like I feel like the underground's kind of split into like two worlds there's like the underground weird side of shit and then there's like the more street related shit it's kind of like some artists managed to like kind of touch both sides of it these days but like what uh what's your perspective on that and like do you prefer to work with people who are more on the you know strange hair color side of things versus the like you know switches in the music video side of things. I'm just, I like just working with artists that's focused on being themselves and like, you know what I'm saying?

Wants to, you know what I'm saying, push that narrative. Like instead of just being that weirdo or, you know what I'm saying, trying to be the weirdo or trying to beat the street car or trying to, you know what I'm saying, just, you know, I'm like, it is no boundaries with, like, who I will work with, like, or like, you know what I'm saying like whatever the case may be like you could be weird whatever street dude it don't matter like the music's hard i fuck with you we could vibe is you know what I'm saying it's going definitely um anything else we should uh hit on here I feel like we hit a lot of the major stuff like where do you see yourself at now you're still just very much like living the lifestyle

just trying to tap in with artists and just work on a consistent basis uh I really want to What's going to happen is just Making the label for real The next step is You're just signing the artist The next artist that I fuck with is just going to be Underfat for real I'm gonna show y'all that

You know what I'm saying I know what to do I know what to do with the With the artist I know what to do to make it You know what I'm saying make it hot 100% Any artists you

Well you probably ain't gonna want a name drop him But anybody got in mind that you want to sign Yeah, I don't want to name, John. Yeah, but you already got in your mind, like, who you're gonna fuck with? Yeah, yeah. As right now, for real, I'm just, I'm just going with the flow.

Like, there's not too many artists right now that I would, like, like, just sign for real. Right now, it's just more so just dropping music, for real, and a lot of artist's directions or who I just personally just fuck with, you know? like like I said fresh boy swag whenever I could get around bro like artists like him we just let's shoot a video let's get in this do let's you know what I'm saying let's just vibe whatever when you get in the car and listen to music what do you typically do do you just like think of

some project you want to listen to or do you have like a playlist that you're always updating I go straight to my likes and I just or I'll just listen to a lot of unreason release music yeah I like the listen I like most of the time I listen to like the same thing I'd be locked in with one song like like um I just got hit to O T7 Quani not too long ago he's hard so like soon as I get on ox and the car has been you heard scrella yeah yeah Skrilla my twin I just interviewed Skrilla and he was hating on O'Ti 7 Quarney but they both are hard as fuck yeah I fought with both of them yeah school of my twin I don't know I fuck with someone.

He cool. So that interview was funny as hell too. That's just legendary. Do you remember watching the Chapo interview like a million years ago back in the day? Because that's one to go back to, bro. Chapo was on mad drugs. Like the Scrilla one really like reminded me

of that Chapo interview because he, but Choppel was on another level. Like he was... Did you do that at the bike shop? Yeah, it was probably 2016. And he was like just a demon. Like the way he was just yelling and freaking out. Like, it was just so fucking funny.

And then he, like, got clean, I think, later on. And, like, I would always see him around and shit. But, like, where he was at in his life at that moment was fucking insane. Yeah, that was, that was so bloody, so icy. Everything was so bloody, so icy. I used to just go see him. He would get in the booth and just do a fucking freestyle, just saying whatever. And that was just his verse on that song.

He would just be cranking those things out. Chop, oh, he's so icy. He's, oh, he's really. That's another dude who had a lyrical lemonade video at one point, though. for band god which was like his biggest song that's fine i didn't even know that that song is stupid

and that's another freestyle that just happened to blow the fuck up yeah facts damn shout out to choppa ch expo for anyone who's gonna search that up i don't know but um yeah anything else that we should

mention anything you want to say to the people out there shit um believe in yourself and um Yeah, just believe in yourself, do what you want to do in life. Don't let nobody stop you from doing what you want to do. If you believe in yourself, anything can happen.

Literally anything you can make anything happen in this world. All you got to do is just stay consistent, believing yourself, have that drive. You know what I'm saying? You're going to be there wherever you want to be at, you know? Like, every day I don't work to get, you know what I'm saying, to the spots I don't got to every day. Like I said, like when I work with artists, we got to do this shit. every day because you know what I'm saying everything counts literally everything counts so you know facts really appreciate you uh sitting down with us definitely a good

history lesson for any of the people out there a lot of good motivational shit in there hell yeah get off your ass go get some money possibly on sound cloud shout to everybody watch this shout DJ fat man much respect um it's you gang yeah man appreciate it thank you to Remount 2 for doing this. Thank you to my dog, Ralphie. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, et cetera, like, comment, and subscribe. We out.