No Jumper - DJ Vlad on Nicki Minaj Dissing Him, 6ix9ine's Return, If d4vd's a Killer & More

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And we are back. My man, Rimo's in the building. And we are talking to the one and only the OG of the media game by TV in the building. How you feeling? Yeah. I'm good, man.

Always a pleasure to be here. Yeah. What's going on? Man, how you feeling? Every day, something new. Yeah? What's it today? Any updates?

No, nothing too crazy. Yeah. Nothing too crazy. It was an interesting week with the whole TMZ, Nicki Minaj thing. Oh, they hit you up. You were interacting with them about that as well? Well, they hit me up. So TMZ reached out to me to do an interview,

which was kind of cool because I've done TMZ before, but never, like, with Harvey. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always been, like, I think Van Laithen, like, interviewed me last time. Right. But actually being on the air with Harvey, that was kind of cool. And I made some comments about Nikki Minaj. Yeah.

The process, and she responded. With the acronym. With the acronym. Very little albino dick, which has honestly kind of become a meme in my household. My girl keeps saying that to me If I do anything in whack She'll just be like Very little albino dick

And it actually took her a day To realize that it was an acronym for Vlad Oh really? She did not realize that verse She was saying She thought that I thought that it was funny Unrelated to you Oh yeah

She could spell it out I think it went over most people's heads Because No one A couple of the barbs were like Talking shit online But very few Compared to like the number of barbs

She has the following that she has on Twitter and the fact that people kind of covered that a little bit, like TMZ covered it and so forth, and I reposted it. I just responded to L.O.L. I couldn't think of a good comeback. I feel like the barbs are greatly diminished. Or at least they've kind of like stood down.

They've tossed their weapons to the side because I think even the hardcore barbs are realizing this woman is deranged. She's disrespecting these kids. Cardi B is the more likable one. They might hate Cardi B, but I think like even them that there's a lot of stuff here that they don't really want to be dying for.

Yeah, she was talking about Cardi's kids' gums. Yeah. Like, they're so nasty. Banging spoons together. Basically, like, that's what girls do. Guys kill each other or make fun of your dead homies, but then girls make fun of each other's children. At least in this world, I guess,

because I don't really know any women who do this in any other lane of life. But to be fair, Nikki, and I mean, Cardi did mention the kid first in this one. Oh, she did? She said, all right, so Cardi B said, Nikki Minaj, it's your son's birthday, you're having all this attention to me. Like, you need to pay attention to your son for his birthday.

And that's when Nikki spiraled into what she was saying. But I mentioned this on TMC. I don't know whether this was true or not. But I had made a tweet a while back. Remember when Nikki offered like $10 million for Des Bryant to box her husband? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I made this tweet. I said, yo, Des, guaranteed 10 million.

Here's how you do it. Most the fight of Chuckie Cheese. And did she respond to that or no? No one responded, right? You know, it kind of became viral in its own way, right? Because her husband is a registered sex offender. And I think is not able to go to places like Chuckie Cheese, right? Right.

So when Cardi was like, yo, you're beefy with me. It's your son's birthday. Why don't you take him with Chuckie Cheese or something? I almost felt like those two were connected because I think it probably hit Cardi's radar. I don't know because me and Cardi or me and Nikki don't talk. But that was sort of what I referenced. when I was on TMZ.

I almost felt like Cardi was kind of referencing the check. Out of all those places in the world to take a kid to, she said, Chuckie cheese. So I don't know. It is or it isn't. But I kind of mentioned again, and that's when she did the whole acronym thing.

So do you feel like, like are you actually a committed Cardi B. Stan? Or is this just an example where you see Nikki's behavior and it grosses you out and you feel like you've got to say somewhere? Yeah, I just think Nikki's unhinged. Yeah. Right. I was blocked, but now I'm unblocked.

What? weird because I just checked before I was blocked. I remember I even posted. I'm like, oh, Nikki blocked me. That's interesting. But then when I looked at that tweet and I looked at her account, I'm unblocked. Really? So I guess she unblocked me. That's strange. I've interviewed her back of the day. Yeah. She knows who I am.

Yeah. So I just, I like Cardi. I've interviewed Cardi before. Right. I've interviewed both one before. Right. To be fair. To be fair, they both changed up on you once they got huge. That happens. Yeah, that happens. We're all used to that. I don't cry about that. But.

I'm not a huge Cardi fan. I'm not a huge fan of female rap, period. Just to be honest. But out of female rap, I like Cardi's more than most of the other girls. But just a nasty behavior. And I think, you know what really kind of annoyed me was, I think Tasha Kay tweeted something about how her, remember her brother was convicted of molesting his like stepdaughter.

And Tasha said something that the effect of, oh, the kids were you know prompted to say certain things and you know to try to get money out of Nikki. She's like yeah they asked me for 20 billion you know she's basically, it was like a tweet responding to Tasha. Yeah.

Basically inferred that her brother is not a monster was not molesting this little girl for like years and it was really a shakedown. Yeah. The family that was trying to get paid off. She was trying to get paid. So what if it was 20,000? Would she have paid it off? If it wasn't $20 million, what if it was $20,000?

I'm sure she's paid off plenty of other lawsuits to make them just go away. Yeah. And that doesn't change the fact that your brother still did what he did. He was convicted. And look, when it comes to, you know, shit like this, because I've researched these types of things,

like a kid can't say, hey, this man molested me. Go arrest him. No, no. They will sit there with PhDs, with psychologists, the brother, the brother allegedly saw the molestation happen.

So the brother was interviewed. it was a whole like these types of things because think about every woman would be like oh my my baby daddy molesting my kids go throw them in jail like everyone would do that and everybody knows that like rapes have like an extremely low chance of actually being prosecuted the extremely low chance

of being convicted unfortunately and as a result I would assume that those same rules basically apply to this sort of thing you have serious child psychologist that will sit down and figure out whether these kids were coached or whether it actually happened. Multiple kids that got in front of a jury. He was convicted unanimously and given a million years as he deserves.

And she's trying to say, oh, he didn't do it. She's still trying to say it was a shakedown and that never happened. When he's sitting in jail right now. And most guys who get accused of molest and a kid don't have a millionaire sister who's going to foot the legal bills. Like I'm sure he did. I'm sure his legal defense was. so much better than almost anyone else who gets accused of this sort of thing, and he still got

convicted. Listen, if one of my friends or relatives did some shit like that, I'm washing my hands of it. Yeah. You can burn. Yeah, no, listen, I had a friend from college that I found out is now a registered sex offender, and I'm cool. Do you know the details of how it went down to anything?

He was trying to sell, like, some, like, R. Kelly tapes and stuff like that, like on the dark web. Like the actual R. Kelly tape? Yeah. Or like R. Kelly style tape. No, like R. Kelly, the actual, like, underage, like, tape. Right. You know, I'm saying, and I think, like, some, I think it was like, and I'm not totally

sure about this. I'm not going to say his name, but remember, like, Tracy Lords back in the day, filmed a bunch of porn. This is kind of before your time. Before my time, too. So there was this porn actress named Tracy Lords who became this big star, and then it was found out that she was filming at, like, 16. So all the tapes got pulled out of the shelves.

She went on to do, like, movies, like, Johnny Depp and stuff like that. she kind of crossed over a little bit, but there were like these tapes of her from when she was underage. I think he was trying to sell some of those, and then, you know, his house was raided by the feds and he was arrested. Wow.

Now, you know, he's a registered sex offender. When I found that out, I said, but me and him aren't going to talk anymore. Yeah. That's it. So did you actually have the conversation with him? No, no. Someone, someone I know.

We have a mutual friend. There's like a crew of us in college. Okay. So like a mutual friend that still knows both of us told me. And I'm like, oh, okay, well, never mind, he ain't coming over. He's not good anymore.

I'm cool. I just, I can't be around that. Yeah. I can't. I can't. I don't want to be around that. I can't be around that. And any sense that you really had a connection or knew this person is kind of out the window.

And it's really going to make you feel like whatever I felt like our connection was before, apparently you were lying about a very significant other part of your life. So everything else is probably cap too, right? You're a registered sex offender. It's a whole, it's a whole different story now with you. This is not, we can't just. Pick up where we left off. Not that we haven't really seen each other in about 20 years anyway.

So it's not like this is like a close friend, but I was cool, man. So I'm surprised that Nikki's still trying to basically stand up for her brother, like who's hopefully never getting out. Yeah, you would think that that would be something that she would just kind of accept the mainstream narrative.

And instead she's... My brother's a monster. Yeah. And, you know, that's not the person I knew growing up. And I hope that his time in jail rehabilitates him and maybe at some point he can enter back in society

and not do these types of things again. Yeah, definitely. The end. Jesus. Okay, so another topic that is like super late breaking and this is probably one of the most unique ways that I've ever seen somebody get

exposed for snitching. But basically there was an FBI agent who made a TikTok talking about a case that he was involved with many years ago. And we could play the clip if you'd like, yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to say the guy's name because he's pretty famous, and to be fair, he was never charged with a crime.

But we had these two rappers in Atlanta in the early 2000s, and they were beefing with each other, trading disc tracks, the whole thing. Then rapper number one, the famous one, orders his goons to go beat up rapper number two and steal this gaudy golden diamond necklace he wore in all of his videos, and that's where it got interesting. The goon squad shows up at rapper number two's place. He pulls a gun and starts shooting. One of the attackers gets hit, makes it about 200 yards away from the house before he drops dead.

Rapper number two is arrested for murder, but is dismissed as self-defense. And the real criminal here is Rapper No. 1, who ordered the violent act that got his man killed. I had the phone records and two witnesses prepared to testify for what would have been a rock-solid RICO murder case. But for reasons that were never explained to me, the U.S. Attorney's Office declined prosecution, and rapper number one went on to have a phenomenally successful career. Oh, well, when some lose some. So basically the allegation is that he... He's talking about Gigi and Gucci.

Right, and Blue DaVinci is kind of confirmed as well that there was this sort of like eerie switchup from GZ where when the BMF take down went down that GZ at that point ceased to have anything to do with BNF, never communicated with any of them ever after that. And so he's basically saying that they had, in his opinion, opinion, a rock solid case against GZ for the Gucci situation in which Buckey load got killed, but that that was never pursued by the FBI and that his best guess is basically that it was in exchange for GZ supplying information about BMF.

I missed that last part. Okay, yeah. Where is that last part? You kind of need to connect the dots with like prior videos. There's like a Blue Da Vinci video where he goes into depth about how he feels very strongly. that GZ snitched. And so that guy kind of like puts the details of it together of what his incentive to do so might have been since GZ was the only one associated with BNF

that basically ended up getting to skate free. Well, what about there was multiple guys that went into that house? Yeah, and I interviewed one of them young throwback who claimed that Gucci-May, or I interviewed the guy who claims that he's the one who pulled the trigger and killed Pugueke-Loke. No, no, no, that's not what I'm talking about. Pookie Loke was with someone else. He wasn't by himself.

It was like two people that went running a separate. So maybe the people who were cooperating were the two people that were part of the home invasion and they were going to cooperate against Jeasy. You see what I'm saying? That's what I kind of implied from that. The reason people think that this guy's implying that Jeezy actually did it because in the comments, the two comments that he actually replied to was someone saying that the theory of the reason that Jeezy never got locked up was because of him providing evidence to the feds about the BMF shit.

And the guy who made this TikTok, he liked that theory. And he's like, hmm, interesting theory. So people just speculating that that's why it's not, it's not, you know what I'm saying? It's not like really just proven, but it's just the theory of life. And it always did seem sort of bizarre that all this shit went down in front of our eyes where Gucci basically ordered this situation that ended up in a murder and that it was never pursued. I mean, even as like a real young rap fan, that always stood out to me. I was like, how the fuck are they not pursuing that?

I mean, when it comes to situations like this to convict someone of a murder, for hire, it's a little tricky, especially when people are not cooperating. You see what I'm saying? So you need to get a unanimous, you know, like the Hernandez-Govann trial. They had a whole bunch of stuff set up. Yeah, they knew each other.

They were talking, this, that, and the third. Oh, there was a reason, there's this or that. Jerry came through with not guilty an hour later. It's like there's no case here So nobody wants to go into trial Unless they have a rock solid case Like for example like the whole David You've been paying attention to that

I've been paying attention to that And it appears like they don't really Have a way to tie him into the murder There's circumstantial things Yes he knew her she was underage She was mentioned There's a live stream But how do you go from that

To a chopped up dead body in your car You have to really prove it especially when the person has money and has lawyers. And at the time, GZ had money. It just might not have been a strong enough case. So you just leave it as a cold case hoping maybe at some point someone comes forward and bring some new information and so forth because it could be a cold case for 20 years.

They might still, you know, if GZ really was responsible for that, they could still charge them next week. Like whatever. I hope they don't. But you really, people like to be armchair lawyer all they want, When it comes to real trials and real cases, you've got to really have your ducks in a row. I mean, we've seen a lot of people get exposed for snitching in a variety of different ways. Like 1090 J feels very, very strongly that Larry Hoover told,

and a lot of the proof is based on a 1964 newspaper article. Now we've got a former FBI agent who basically is just creating TikTok content and is probably going to get like $2 to $3 from the Chinese government as a result of putting this theory out there. So he might actually, we're really like not sure how this is going to play out or how much people are going to turn on Gizi or whatever. Obviously he's kind of in the main. Anyone's going to give a shit. You don't think?

I don't think. I don't think anyone's going to give a shit. Honestly. I mean, we've seen so much evidence of people not caring about snitching in general that this point that it's kind of easy to imagine people leaving it alone. He's also sort of at the tail end of his career. Yeah. I think in a way. That's not a shot at Gizi. I just think that he's not the guy that's going to drop the number one album next.

next year when he drops. I think that his fans will like it and I think it'll chart somewhere and there might be, you know, depending on who he gets on a song as he gets Jay-Z for a feature, it might get kind of big, but it won't be, you know,

this is not the next J-Cole album. This is not the next Drake album. I think people watch G-Z to listen to all the songs they liked 20 years ago. Do you think that was a conscious decision on GZ's behalf to kind of fall back from rap?

From rap? I mean, he's still touring all the time. But I'm just saying as like dropping new words, projects and actually trying to be like that guy. It doesn't seem like he hasn't. Who ever does that well into their 40s? You know, it almost never happens.

He's probably pushing 50 at this point. Yeah. I think it's just, it's what it is. You accept the reality of your age and the audience. I think that like if you're a committed enough young Jeezy fan that you're still going to go to his show in 2025, you're probably not going to really care about this snitching allegation. Maybe if like the most rock solid proof ever came out, it could make a dent. I feel like the respect from your peers and how many other people are willing to work with you

is probably something that would be more tangible when it comes to somebody like GZ because obviously like he's been successful music-wise. The odds of him ever having like a big hit record or less than 1% ever going forward. But ultimately like, but Jesus is kind of isolated as well. I can't really think of that many rappers that are really around him or that he would be working. I'm sure he could. The question is just like if they would if they would not going. forward because of this type of thing. I mean, he's not like a little baby that's still in the

makes and still with all the hottest. You know, he's not like a Kendrick at this point. I think GZ is GZ and I don't think really anyone gives a shit. At this point, I don't think anyone really gives a shit at all, including him. For sure, there's never been a better time to be a snitch. Because 20 years ago, if you had this kind of accusation, I felt like it might be enough to do you in. And at this point, it just sort of blends into this backdrop of so many other people having cooperate in a variety of ways. I look at this as just another version of being canceled. And you could only be canceled if you just decide to just fall out of the public eye

and stop putting out content, whether it's music, videos, art, whatever else. Gunna said, I'm just going to go and start working. I'm not going to talk about it. He hasn't done a single interview about it. He has not done a single interview since he got locked up. but he dropped big songs, big albums, does big shows, and look what happened.

It's crazy that Young Thug was down to buy Gunna, 50,000 sales on the Billboard charts and didn't do the same thing for himself. Yeah. The spotlight is kind of on him, so it might not have been a good time to do so. He's on a whole apology tour. He's doing all types of like kind of sort of podcasts

that are more like street-oriented to try to sort of, have a co-sign from another street guy saying, oh, it's cool, but you didn't snitch. We good. Just do my podcast. I'll tell everyone it's okay. Yeah, he did hit, like, a lot of the sort of validated

spokespeople in Atlanta in particular with Big Bank and Loon and everything. Right. Yeah, man. Come do Vlad TV. If you really want a big, big interview, me and me and Young Thug would go ballistic. Right. But do you think that...

This is no shot at who he's done. For sure. But would you ask him... Would you go into it intending to make him uncomfortable by asking his questions? Because I honestly feel like the reaction in hip-hop has been pretty good compared to how it fell when it was really going down. It feels like not that many people are turning their back on him. Well, I mean, his first album coming back did not go as big as gun as album. Yeah.

So you could say it has no reaction, but the numbers say otherwise. But also the music wasn't as good. Well, music was kind of trash. It was rushed. But that's, it's all a combination of that. But does it not make you question Gunner's album sales when you find out that Thug was, you know, conspiring to buy him album sales in the background?

Which at this point, I'm going to be honest, I am so suspicious of so many different rappers. And in addition to that, I'm so suspicious of a variety of different podcasters and YouTubers as well. I think that you could play with the numbers here and there, but you can't say, Like Kendrick's not like us, wasn't a huge song. No, for sure.

Otherwise. Songs take off on their own and you see the reaction. You see how people react to them as shows, you know, at clubs, when DJs are playing it. A hit song is a hit song. Like Drake's last sound party next door had some hit songs. You know, like somebody loves me. It was a hit song. You see it.

You literally see it in front of you. Now, did it have a few bots to help out? Maybe, but. But hip hop at this point is. so insular. You could be a huge artist with your fan base and then have the mainstream of hip hop have absolutely no idea

who you are, which is the case with David, where it's like and I'm suspicious of him. But he's an R&B singer though. He's not a rapper. No, he's not a rapper. Do we consider him a rapper, right? More R&B. Okay, it's more like that. I'm going to be honest, I still have yet to hear one song. I've heard some of the stuff. I mean, I went back and listened to it. He's a singer. He's not

a rapper. That's why we don't know about him. Right. But in addition to that, though, like, I feel like, somebody like David, I'm looking at his Instagram this morning. He has many hundreds of thousands of likes on every single post in like 200 to 300 comments. I post stuff

that will get 5,000 likes and they'll have 3,000 comments, or 300 comments, sorry. Depends on the post. I feel like when I look at his Instagram, it is the obvious example of somebody who's buying engagement. There's probably some numbers. You know, like the numbers might be a little fake. Right.

But at this point, that's the least of his problems the craziest thing about it too that is that if this girl didn't show up dead I mean his fans when you see the stuff that they were talking about in his comments and his discord etc

it was like pretty much an open secret that he had been fucking with this underage girl for a long time like his fans if anything seemed to think that it was kind of amusing well do they know how old she was it seems like I don't think so because I remember seeing a statement from the discord that basically said that we didn't know who she was.

You know, we had mentioned it, but the discourse stuff goes by really quickly, so you don't really know. Right. You know, you're not keeping track of every comment that's happening. They knew of her, but they thought that she was like a college girl. But there's like the fans...

When you look at it, it's not like she's obviously her age. She could be 18, 19. To be fair, he's very young as well. So it might not have looked that crazy to the fans at the time. but I mean from my perspective it's like there was a lot like you gotta watch Ross did like a documentary

about this where he really breaks it all down in like quick fire succession and he basically shows how there was like people making videos about him paying off local teenagers that knew about it so that they wouldn't make TikTok content about it I feel like he saw like I feel like he was so

young when he started to achieve success that he didn't realize how bad fucking with this girl was gonna fuck up his life in his career and then he started to realize at a certain point. I'm not saying that means that he killed her because I've heard a lot of people say that like it might have been a drug overdose, which would kind of explain why the police have a hard time figuring out the cause of death. She was dismembered. I think dismembered has like kind of an open-ended definition though. I don't think that that necessarily means they like

chopped her body up. Well, okay. He has the same car I have, a Tesla Model X. Right. Same color too. And not a good car because it's covered in cameras. Not a good car if you're going to murder someone. One is covered in cameras, but number two, I believe she was in the frunk, right? The front trunk. The front trunk, right? That's a real thing. This is your and you say it was pretty. The front.

Because there's really no trunk. It's like a hatchback. So there's two rows, there's really three rows of seats, right? And then like a little trunk area, but it's not like a closed off trunk. So the only closed off area is this front trunk, this front trunk, which is really, there's no possible way you can get a human. being inside of that unless you chop it up. Oh, it's that small? No, it's that small. Oh, okay.

No, it's really small. Like, there's no 100 pound girl couldn't crawl inside it and you can close it. Okay, because she probably was like 100, like she was very young, very small. This is why I'm saying, a hundred pound girl there's no, it's, it's too, it's only about this high.

It's about this high and about this wide. Okay, so think about, like maybe yeah it's not as big as this table yeah right so how do you get it you'd have to somehow and then if she's in the front truck

like someone put the body there chopped up or otherwise you can't get yourself into a frunk there's no possible way and even if she did the car was on the side of the road like it was on a street like who drove

who drove her there like there is a second person involved somehow. She did not put herself there. It's not possible. So what the fuck happened? Who did it? When you see that he hired allegedly

like Harvey Weinstein's former attorneys? Okay, so that doesn't seem like a smoking gun to you? No, not at all. You have a very high profile. He had to cancel his whole concert. His whole tour. He canceled his tour. Everyone in the world thinks that he did it.

Yeah, you got to protect yourself. Right. Whether you did it or not, even if he did not do it, absolutely get a lawyer. You crazy? His house was raided by the police. They grab everything they could possibly grab. Why would you not get a lawyer? Even if you did not do it, you absolutely want a lawyer.

You'll fuck around and say the wrong thing. Next thing you know, that's the statement that ends up getting you convicted. Do we know that he has been interrogated by the police? I don't know. Not even that. We haven't even heard that he'd talk to the police or have like. sat down, detectives talked on him. You do know that they came to his house and seized a whole bunch of stuff, but outside of that,

that's all we know. And a lot of people are like, oh, well, even if you didn't kill her, he was a pedophile, it's like, okay, well, they're not going to be able to put that case together in place of this murder act, and she's dead. And they found out she wasn't pregnant. Because that was the first time. Oh, he got her pregnant, so he killed her. No, she hasn't been pregnant within the last year, what they said.

So basically there's no proof she's ever been pregnant. When this is all said and done, a lot of the stuff that were. taking us facts right now is probably going to seem like fake news because there's just been such a flood of stuff coming through. It's just really impossible to believe. Someone's involved in that somehow. Yeah, it's just hard to believe that he's completely innocent because like, all right, teams he released. It's possible. It's possible. It's possible. Completely is kind of crazy. It's possible. Okay, look, like, I'm not saying this happened, but let's just say we all, look, like I have, let's say around a dozen people that I financially support. Right?

I completely, meaning that all the money they get comes from me, right? You take me away and now they're scrambling to try to find a new career, income, whatever else, right? So you're now, you realize that this girl is going to put me in prison, so I'm never going to be able to give you any more money. And you don't have a plan B. You know, you don't have these entourage people like, oh, yeah, I grew up with them.

You know, I dropped out of high school to be his road manager or whatever else. Like, this is all you got. This person is all you got. And you know that they're fucking up. And this person comes forward, they're going to, that's it. David the pedophile will not go on tour anymore. Right. As that, so you take it upon yourself to get rid of the problem for him without even telling him.

It could happen. It could happen. It's not that crazy of a story. It could happen. And these things do happen. You got, you know how you have these crews of people? Like, for example, you look at Tony Yale, for example, right? Tony Yale will shoot somebody for 50.

I am knowing Tony the way I do. Yeah, yeah. And seeing the history of those two together, I am fully confident that Tony will shoot somebody and possibly kill somebody if he felt that 50's well-being was in danger at that moment. Do you agree or disagree? No, I agree. So why is it so crazy that maybe David had a version of Tony A on his crew?

Because I met David and the people that he's around do not seem like there are anything on the G-Unit level. Because you're talking about Tony Ayo, who is like the most street experienced person that you could understand or expect besides maybe guys who have spent, you know, a decade in prison. And on the other hand, you have David who from everything I've seen about him seems like he has almost. no real world experience and all this anime shit all this music shit to it was kind of to him it didn't seem like he understood that the real world has actual consequences for your actions he was living in this crazy internet world i don't know i don't know crazy doesn't just come from certain environments right all these like serial killers they all they're not street guys yeah they're regular two-parent home went to college or, you know, got someone buried in their basement. You know. The thing that's damning to him is like, all right. So at one point, this was a chick that you were dealing with.

And the fact that you didn't make it a thing to report her missing. And then your car was... Why would he report her missing, though? Because at one point, if you're trying to clear yourself from any of the charges and maybe somebody else did it, then maybe throw it out there like, hey, I haven't heard from her. Hey, this underage girl I'm dealing with, can't find her anymore. It's better than people that you killed her, though. see how bad this looks.

I give you that, but, like, the fact that you had your Tesla with her body in it and you're just, like, going on toward, it just seems like, there's no way that you're,

that you're completely innocent from that. Look, maybe he didn't chop her up, but it's like, look, obviously what everyone's thinking is that he killed her, right?

That's the obvious assumption, but the fact that he's not been arrested, and clearly the police are assuming the same thing, they wouldn't raid his home and they wouldn't, sees his computers, they wouldn't go through the car and do all this investigation if they didn't think that he did it, but they got to figure out who

did it. They had enough probable cause to raid his house and go through all his shit, but not enough to arrest him. And think about how much evidence they now have going through his house. They're just so... But maybe there's no evidence is the thing. Maybe all there is is, yes, we've talked from time to time, right? Let's just say, let's just say you meet a girl you just don't know

her age, I don't know. Like I'm trying to try to like him talking to her is inappropriate. I get it because him being, but he's not that old right? 20? 20 and she's what, 15? 16. So I think he was 17 when he met her and she was 12. But maybe

he didn't know that in the beginning. And then as their friendship or whatever they had developed, it's like, oh, okay, well I didn't realize you were that age or something something, something. I I mean, but he moved her out to California relatively recently. He moved her out?

I don't know if he moved her out, but he got her to come to California, flew her out or whatever. She was a runaway. Yeah. That was the whole thing, is that she would run away from home a lot. Lake Elsinor.

This is a problematic, a kid with a problematic home life, probably a bunch of crazy shit happening with her mom, dad, both step parents. It didn't seem like the parents were appropriately concerned

with their daughter being missing. It was a bunch of fucked up shit and maybe he's dealing with her. Maybe it was an inappropriate relationship. Maybe it's not. It's probably impossible to tell at this point. Yeah. Because she's dead unless someone says,

yeah, I saw David fucking with her last week or something like that. It's a fucked up situation and I'm hoping that something will happen. But then again, you see cases like the Draco murder that still is not solved. And there's how could this? Oh, of course, the killer's going to be caught. There's a million people there. There was all these ways. It was a public.

It was a concert. It was this. And that is an example. How long ago was that? Five years ago. Yeah. My point. But that is an example, too, where the internet felt like they had solved it the next day.

Well, the police disagreed with the internet. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure the police looked through all the internet, you know, detectives work. A lot of people still think that that case is coming down the pipeline at some point. It could happen. I think it only happened if someone came forward and said, this is who did it. Yeah. I saw that person.

sin, we talked about it afterwards, I'm willing to testify. Which could happen with the get out of jail free card. You know what I'm saying? Exactly, yeah. So now the theory is that maybe David didn't kill her, maybe she overdosed, and he just dismembered her body. That's not great either. But, you know, you saw that one guy get away with that. Apparently dismembering a body is a misdemeanor.

Well, is it? That's what he told me earlier. I couldn't believe it when he said that. What's the name of the guy? The billionaire who dismembered the body, you know, I'm talking about HBO. did a whole special on him. He ended up getting arrested after he doing the interview. Oh, someone helped me out.

I can go to look at me. Netflix special on a billion? No, no, it was HBO. I feel like I'm going to feel stupid as soon of it. Dirst? Oh. No, no, no, wait. Oh, I didn't watch that one, but I remember hearing a lot about this.

Robert Ders? Yeah, yeah, that was huge. Robert Ders. Killed his next door neighbor and dismembered the body and got off in trial. admitted to doing it got off. But he claimed that he tried to kill him first and he fought back and killed him. Maybe that's what I'll say.

Little girl tried to kill me. I had to kill her. Self defense. I don't know, man. I don't know. Listen, I'm hoping, just of the horrific nature of this that they do find whoever did it, whether it's David or someone else. I am not trying to justify it or say that

he's innocent. I'm just saying that you have, when it comes to law enforcement, the one that I've learned is that they pay attention to the headlines, to media coverage and so forth, and they prioritize those cases over the other cases.

Somebody, if this was just some random girl and some truck driver who allegedly killed her, the police would not put nearly the amount of resources as they're doing right now. This is like the biggest murder case in entertainment right now. Think about it.

In the entertainment world, this is the biggest murder case that's happening that's unsolved at this moment and they haven't arrested them makes me think that they even said it's a very complicated case and even if this is in any way similar to the way that it seems

it might be like one of the craziest murder cases in a history of hip-hop it's like just such a bizarre situation we're so used to paying so much attention to fairly ordinary murders like the young Dolph thing is like yeah it's interesting to find out who did in everything but ultimately

a dude who's a street dude having his ops pull up and shoot at him is not that fascinating. This in comparison is just so difficult to figure out. Yeah, this is bananas. Yeah. This is absolutely bananas. I just want to take this moment to introduce my new weed strain. Hey.

The Vlad TV. You know, that did with Presidential. The King Louis Strain. This is my first weed ever. We smoked a little bit of it last time. We did. We now got the packaging. It's in seven states. You got a little too high. You left the pot early. Oh, did I? With the traplow Ross one point?

I had to go at one point. I had to go. I'd been here for like four hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was a challenging day in terms of just keeping your energy together after potting for that long. Right. That's how you know it was all. Who we smoking here?

Go crazy, yeah. Where do you think that this, where is it available at this time? It's all, it's in seven states. It's in like California, Arizona, Nevada, I believe New York. Yeah, we're about to roll it out officially. I'm about to start doing some promo around it, some in stores and all that. But this is actually a product that I used myself. You smoked the last time.

You got to really experience. It was powerful. It was powerful. Moon rocks. Well, it's moon rocks. Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's not just a regular joint. Yeah.

It's moon rocks. Mixed in with weed. Yeah, and I got another interview after this. So I'm not going to be participating in this with you, but I respect it. In you, Riebo? I, yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's go.

Boom. You got an ashtray? We can show this one right here, yeah. A letter. You ever see yourself becoming a drug? purveyor of this sort? Well, I mean, I smoke weed. Yeah.

I mean, I've always smoked weed. I've smoked weed since college, so. But this is really me. I think at times you told me that it was a late night thing for you? I never said that. Not anymore? No. I've never said that.

So you wake up in the morning and smoke? Yeah, I'm awake in Baker. Okay. Yeah. Smoke before you interview people? Sometimes. Sometimes. If it's a big interview, does that necessitate you not doing it?

Not really. Really? Yeah. Really, if I put in the work, I put in the work high or not. Yeah, yeah. It just is what it is. I feel like you being off camera might give you a little bit more confidence in that regard because at least part of why I usually don't smoke before interviews is because I know that I look high as fuck.

And I don't necessarily think that that's for the best. I'm smoking right now, so I'm on camera. But you might send up, you know, kind of floating at some point. I'll be I. You know, it happens. I've been doing it. I'm OG. Some Zop.

Yeah. There we go. Hot co-s-on, Glad TV. Do you see smoking as something that you're going to leave behind as you get older at some point? I don't know. I think if it starts to, like, affect my health. Yeah. You know, because it already affects my throat to a certain degree, but not to the point of me stopping.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm obviously, I've been smoking for so long. My girl made me get a whole lung scan done. And I was actually. I've done that. And I was thinking that if they tell me that I need to stop smoking, I'm going to stop smoking. And then they told me I was fine, and I was like, okay, I'm back on it until the next lung skin, I guess. I'll tell you, I had a, I had a whole, like, physical and a whole blood test.

And they told me that I was at the very bottom of the scale of being pre-diabetic. Right. Right. And that was scary. And he basically said, listen, you need to just lose weight. You lose weight. You'll get out of this range because you're at the very bottom of the range. And this was recently?

This was, like, maybe a couple months ago. Okay. And if you look like I'm 10 pounds thinner than when you saw me last. Right. Yeah. I'm taking this super seriously. Yeah. I'm like, fuck that.

I don't know. I don't want to be diabetic. I mean, I've seen you tweet out that you said you just like a majority of the thing that you did was consume more water. Yeah. I just started drinking water all the time because I think for me that the biggest problem was I would get to the day okay without eating too much. And then at night, I'd start getting the munchies. Oh, yeah.

And I would go down down in my kitchen. I'd get some ice cream. I get some lemonade. And then I'd, you know, maybe you get some chips. And before I know it, it's like I've added a thousand calories in a short period of time.

So I just started just drinking water all the time. I realized that a lot of times when you think you're hungry, you're actually just thirsty. I remember you used to always drink water all the time. You'd bring the jugs with you. Yeah, you got one right there. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying.

Damn. So you're supposed to drink a gallon a day. I drank a leash that. That's a lot. But I'm trying to get there. But I started noticing that, like, I'm getting thinner. Yeah.

I'm not as hungry. And, like, I'm just not as hungry, but I'm drinking all the time. That was one thing. Yeah, it's been a game changer. I got that from interviewing Chris Gotti, and we're talking about Irv Gotti. Yeah. And he's describing Irv Gotti as someone who really didn't have that bad of lifestyle. You had a personal trainer, had a personal chef, but still would fuck around drinking or going out to eat and eating big ass meals and everything.

And that was enough to basically give him the health problems that led to his death. And when I think about it, you know, we know a lot of people who are not Dave Bluntz. They're not like, you know, like visibly going to die from their state of their health. But, you know, you can be a guy with a pot belly and your what's going on inside your body is just as bad as somebody who's 350 pounds or whatever. It's like, especially as we get older, as you get into your 40s and 50s, it's just the most important thing is to stay on top of that shit. Yeah, I mean, I think he died eating Chinese food. He did say that that was kind of. what triggered it, yeah.

I love Chinese food. Me too. That's one of my advices for sure. I kind of like got the, you know, the creeps when he said that. But yeah, I mean,

look, we're not, we're not going to be around forever. But my dad lived to 84. I hope to at least get to that. Hopefully, you know, longer,

maybe 94 or 100 for, if I'm lucky, you know, technology is moving along, so hopefully there'll be certain things that do it. But I don't, I don't pretend like I'm 20 anymore.

I don't pretend like I'm 30 or 40 anymore. I understand. I'm 52. I'll turn 53 this year. Or next year, I mean. And I'm trying to be around. Like, life is dope. I really love my life.

Yeah. I'm really looking forward to a lot of shit. So this whole Yolo lifestyle of not giving the shit, not really taking shit seriously. You know, me and Dave have had, Dave Blunts have had talks about this on camera. And he's actually taking my advice. He started counting calories and so forth.

But when you look at someone like the Dave Bluntz, and this is what people, You know, because I asked him how much he weighs, and he's like, I'm not going to say that on camera. He doesn't even want to say. Because that's viral. That's a headline. 700 pounds, probably. I would say at least 600, yeah.

Yeah, six to 700 pounds. In order, like, I really am, because I have OCD, right, I'll weigh myself like 20 times in a day. Like, I'll live in a good. I'm interested to see if I stop eating how low my weight could go. You take a shit, you want to see how much difference your weight? It's so interesting. I hate it, yeah. And I have an app, right?

So, for example, let me show you something. What, happy scale? No, it's called My Fitness Pal. Oh, yeah, I got that too, yeah. But on My Fitness Pal, I'll show you. Come on, it's updating. But when it comes up, I'll show you, it actually shows, it keeps track of my weight at every level.

So I could actually see, I don't know what the fuck is. I could see how I'm going down every day, but I could also see historically where my weights has always been. So I know that if I stop eating, I can lose a pound, maybe a pound and a half in a day. Well, there's no reception. That's what it is. But I know that when I eat a certain amount, my weight will go up.

Dave has to eat just a massive amount of food to maintain his weight. Yeah. He has to eat probably like 10,000 calories a day to maintain being 700 pounds. Which is weird because you've been around them a bunch of times. I've never seen him eat. You never see him eat. So you wonder like, what is that? And I've had people in my life who are like that or like extremely overweight and you never see him eat.

and you just are forced to just wonder what this looks like. Like, what are you doing behind the scenes? But, I mean, OZemper really is a fucking miracle drug. That's what Dave Bunn should get on at the very least to lose the weight because I know people who have got on it and lost 100 plus pounds over the course of a couple months. Have you tried it? I have not.

I've tried it. Yeah. You did pretty well with it, right? Not really. No, you didn't like it. I got down, okay, I'm at 205 right now. I got down about $195 on it. But what it does, at least for me, I don't know about every single person.

But what it does is like, imagine when you go to like a, you have a really huge meal, you go to a buffet, you just stuff yourself. And at the end of the meal, you're just like, yo, I can't eat anything else. I don't want dessert. I don't want to drink anything. That's like you all the time.

You're like that permanently. You're, oh, you're so, you feel so full that you don't even want to think about eating. Yeah. It doesn't do any. It's not a miracle where it makes the fat go away. It makes you not want to eat. And maintaining your weight has to do with calories. intake. What are side effects that you noticed actually? Well, number one, you're always

full, so you don't really have a good quality of life. You're just uncomfortable. And for me, I would become constipated for like a whole week. So I just wouldn't take a shit for like six days on day seven, it would all come out. I spent the whole day on the toilet. And then I'll start the whole process the following day. Oh, wow. And I'm just like, yo. I could And all I really lost was about 10 pounds It's not like I was obese to begin If I was 300 pounds I get it

Yeah I was I went from like Two oh I was at 205 and I went down to 195 And I'm like this ain't worth it I could get down and I'm a 205 again Naturally I think I can get down to 195 By just drinking water And counting calories and working out the way I've been So the Sadafucks were that severe that you're like

Yeah it's not yeah it wasn't cool It was you got skinnier but your life Became shittier You see honestly saying? You just were not happy all the time. Yeah. I know a lot of people who started out doing a lot of it had weird health complications, their stomach was fucked up, all this shit, and then had kind of transitioned to doing like much smaller amounts of it and kind of being able to pick and choose, like, oh, I feel like I ate too much this weekend. So now I'm going to take a little bit more.

And it honestly seems like it's working out for everybody I know who's done that. I think that's smaller amounts is pretty good. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I just feel like I could do it on my own. I lost a lot of weight on my own by counting calories and just paying attention to what I eat. Some workout.

Now with water, it kind of stepped it up a bit. Like, I think I'm at 205 now. I think it down to 195, 190, maybe a little bit lower. I remember when I was going through health problems when I was like in my 20s, I get down to about 165. Oh, wow.

And that's because I wasn't eating very much. So I could do 165 again. One of the biggest. predictors of how long you're going to live is just your weight and regardless of you know like like being extremely tall is bad for how long you're likely to live because it's just your heart has to work harder and and then being extremely fat is even far worse so i mean yeah it's definitely imperative for all of us yeah i mean name one obese 80 year old yeah very name an obese 70 year old yeah okay you might see some 60 year olds that are obese but they probably don't have long to live

think about somebody like big boy who goes and loses many hundreds of pounds and literally just adds like a couple decades to his life. Oh 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Big boy would probably be dead by now. For sure. If he didn't do that operation. That's the homie. Like I'm not speaking, I'm saying this is a good thing. He knows it. Yeah. It's a good thing. So, okay, you've been making a ton of noise. Probably your biggest interview of the year, the 6-9-1. Can we just get a little bit of the background information of what you were thinking? Because I think at one point you said that you wouldn't interview him because he thought he was a piece of shit. Yeah. I mean, look.

I was saying what everyone else was saying. Right. We were all kind of caught up in a moment. I have all these bloods around them. And look, I get it, right? I remember when I first started a pop and I had these various street guys around me and they would rough people up that were talking shit about me.

You were sick and my son on people in the club. Get them. Get Cuh. Yeah. I'm not going to deny that way. Right, but it was like, I quickly saw that this is a major disaster way to happen, right? Like if you start to do this and you have these guys

that start beating people up and, because I never had anyone beat up, but I had these guys roughed up, you know, through one of my friends, more than willing to do it. It was these people are going to get seriously hurt, possibly killed. I'm going to have to,

I'm going to be responsible for this shit. I'm not to pay everyone's legal bills. I'm going to get sued. I might go to jail myself. I'm going to lose money. I still have problems in the music industry from those situations. There's certain executives that were there that saw some of this unfold that still don't like me. You see what I'm saying?

And I'm like, this is just all negative. There's nothing good that's coming from this. Now, granted, I'm not a rapper and I'm not out there trying to show everyone how tough I am. But still, I'm still a media person, so I get the overall stance of it. So you had this guy that was pushing his weight around. and using this group of people that you know that he didn't grow up with. It's not like Bobby Schmurter, right? The Bobby Schmurter thing kind of makes sense.

Either he wasn't fucking around, he got busted with a bunch of people that were all sincerely his friends and they all grew up together. Takashi got these guys later on when he started to pop. They all started a crowd around him, and he was using them to shoot at people, beat people up. All that he admitted on camera. And then he took the stand on all of them

And I wasn't a fan of that Right But time goes on The interview got offered to me Who mentioned it initially? Well, I have a guy named Mafie Who has a lot of bookings for me Got it.

You probably know who he is as well, right? So he could, you know, I've been with Mafie for like 10 years In terms of our working relationship He's got a ton of people Including like Boosie and some of my really big guess So he pitched it to me and I initially said no

because the amount of money was too high right I never paid this much for an interview and I was doing academic show and you're not going to say how much you pay I'll say this I think you should not so I back that because I feel like we don't want everybody to know what's possible I'll say this

it was more than Marlon Wayne's wanted but besides the perpetual revenue percentage split I'll just even just at that okay it was more than what Marlon Wayne's wanted Right. Right. But in this case, I felt this really was a very serious interview that would really blow up, whereas the Marlon Wayne's interview would just be a cool interview with a known actor slash comedian.

And to be fair, 69 for the last five years or whatever has been very much kind of not doing long form interviews. And especially not the kind of interviews that you do where you go into the depths of details of everything. What I was going to do, I knew it was going to be potentially big, but I wasn't going to do it just because of the price associated with it. And I was doing an academic show, and I mentioned to him as we were just hanging out afterwards. He was like, yo, man, you should do that shit. Like, yo, no, yo, yo, that's going to be the biggest show. You should do that shit.

So I said, all right. So I agreed to do it without getting into too many details. There was just a problem with the logistics of it and some of the business around it, right? What we agreed on, he wanted to switch up after the fact. So I'm like, nah, I'm good. I'm not going to do it. Well, he didn't have a problem with any other question in there.

No, no, we never even got, that's never been a problem. So he never forbid you from anything. No, okay, that's interesting. The only thing, and this part's not out yet, he didn't want to talk too much about the case that he just got sent, because he violated his probation. So he didn't want to talk too much. I mean, he talked about it, but he didn't want to say too much about it.

Where the feds raided this house and found coke and meth on a table. Well, there's that. Residence. Well, anyways, I think it was pills that had whatever. But there was a whole thing of beating up the guy in the mall. Yeah, that's really. Who allegedly threatened him with a gun. Oh, really?

Call them a snitch, but that was part of it. I didn't know that. Well, yeah, it was like, from what he told me on camera was that the dude called him a snitch or whatever else. And then I guess he flashed his gun. And that's when they, I guess, jumped on him and attacked him. And then he went and, you know, reported the incident. Yeah. So, okay.

So what I want to say is this. So, Takashi wanted to switch the business up a little bit. you know, before we actually did it, I'm like, now I'm good, because now this is actually going to become become more expensive to do it this way. So I'm cool. And you're in Miami to do it, which is another expense.

Well, yeah, I'd have to come to Miami and so forth. So he circled back right around the time of all the young thug stuff, all the young thug stitching stuff. He's like, okay, cool, he'll do the original deal of what you guys agreed on. And I'm like, all right, then I guess we do it. We facetimed.

We, you know, established, you know. shout to his man Don who was really like the glue that held this whole thing together Okay This is like his DJ slash right hand man Great great guy very professional 100%. He's the one that really made it happen I think So

We agreed I flew down to Miami I mean it was sort of crazy because He had the day before he had a show in Atlanta And he decided to drive there and back Which I was trying to find evidence of him performing a show in Atlanta And I couldn't find anything from 2025.

That's interesting. Which I was curious. I never thought about that. I just wonder like who does 6-9 perform with in 2025 in Atlanta. Like I was just, I never hear about him playing shows. So I was interested when I heard that. Was it maybe a private booking like someone's birthday party or something?

Maybe. Chad GBT does not know about any shows that have occurred in 2025 in Atlanta. I'll ask them though. I'll ask them. Because we've been talking regularly since then. Oh, he's going to be a repeat guest. Well, I don't know about that.

But I'm sure there's still more stuff to ask. We've established. We've established. We established a real relationship because he was driving back, so the interview didn't start until 1 a.m. Which I was kind of surprised that you, being 52, had the stamina to stay up until 1 a.m. to start an interview. That's pretty impressive to me. No caffeine, no stimulants? No.

Damn. I don't even drink coffee. You've literally never seen me drink coffee. Yeah, yeah. I just don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't take drugs outside of weed. Okay.

So, yeah. No nap? I may have taken a nap. Oh, okay. Possibly. Got it. Possibly. But yeah, it happened.

1 a.m. he drove all the way, but he got off a 12-hour drive. We were actually at his house. Right. And his house is not close to Miami. It was like a close to two hours outside of Miami. Oh, I think that's right. But yeah, it's in a gated community and secure and so forth. But he invited me into the house.

We actually got there before he arrived. Okay. He had some people there that kind of let us in and we set everything, you know, set up and so forth. And he just said, do whatever we want to do. do you and yeah we it was like I think about three and a half hours that we spoke okay final interview including all the B roll

probably about four hours I seen you said oh you have 69 clips yeah I was joking I think it's maybe you're like 20 in right now 40 I think we're about halfway done and we're about 7 million views combined that's pretty insane yeah

yeah so you think this will end up being a profitable exercise I think we're close to profitable I think we're close to break even already I eyeballed it. I think we're 80% of the way there. What was your read on where it seems like he's at in life? Because at least for me, as somebody who was around him in 2017, 2018, or whatever it was,

he's definitely changed a lot. He didn't used to drink. He says that in the interview that he never used to drink. He was drinking. Yeah, I know. But now he was drinking. And I'm just like kind of look at him. I'm like, damn, this is a...

He seems like he's in a different place in his life, whereas maybe he's, partying it up a little bit. I mean, obviously he was stressed out because, I mean, we don't even know what's happening yet because the judge put him on a house arrest. Okay. But he's still going to be sentenced, so he might end up getting like two years.

We don't know. So I think he's stressed out about going back to prison. Yeah. And, you know, in prison, he's not going to be the most popular guy there because of the whole, you know, snitching background and so forth. But then again, I don't know him from before. You know him, I don't.

This was the first time. I mean, we briefly ran into each other to strip club. You know, I mentioned it in the interview. He doesn't remember it. Yeah, yeah. There's no reason we to make that up. I mean, that was at the peak of his famous success. So I could imagine that almost nobody would be able to, like, really register with him at that time, you know?

Right. He was meeting everyone left and right. It was a crazy night. There was tons of people. But I wouldn't lie about meeting him. Like, I mean, all I said was, yeah, we talked for a couple minutes and that was that. But this was the first time we really got to hang out, talk. we talked about everything

he didn't duck anything I think it's I personally I mean for me it's the biggest interview I think my big you know my interview of the year yeah when the dust settles we'll see how other people take it

but it's getting a lot of fucking views right now yeah which is interesting because he's like he hasn't really made that many waves over the last couple years and it's almost like people that really counted them out in terms of even being somebody that people were interested in

and now with so many other rappers being accused of snitching and stuff. It seems like people have a renewed interest in them, but I'm curious if that could ever translate to the music because it feels like people have written out of that aspect of his career for sure. Well, well, you could say that, but then let's take a look at the numbers. What's your default thing that you go to look for in terms of metrics? Monthly listeners. All Spotify. But that, I feel like tells like a different tale because that is talking about like the popularity of his previous work. I'm more interested in like, can

make a record now that has anywhere close to the level of impact to something like gummo did he's doing 11.2 million monthly right now thank you thank you okay that's 11.2 monthly look up Kendrick kendrick off top he's probably doing like 44 million maybe 70 i think because i looked up recently oh yeah no i'm sure but 73 million okay so the biggest rapper in the world right now is doing seven times what takashi did i think that's that's not too fucking bad. Drake's a 81. I mean,

clearly he's not close to them. Right. But he hasn't released music in forever. He hasn't released music in forever. He really has been out of the news, more or less for a while. Like, that's a lot of fucking monthly listeners.

Yeah. That's a lot. And regardless, no checking for him. People just remember the time period where he was the most fascinating rapper in the world. And there's still a lot of those clips, like when I see like,

oh, about the time period where he basically decided to turn on the bloods and, and, you know, kick them all out of his circle. I mean, this was such a fascinating time period in rap that hearing him talk about it is probably always going to be interesting. Oh, yeah, it's becoming, you know, I remember when I asked him about stealing the gumbo bee from Trippy Raising. Yeah.

Stole that shit. It's what I do. It's like, you know how many memes are like that now? Yeah. It's like, you know, when you ask your friend for your lighter, stole that shit. Did you get the vibe that he was. saying these catchphrases over and over, like when he's saying,

they're going to skip this clip, Vlad. They're going to skip this clip. I spit nothing but facts, Vlad. Did that stand out to you as him trying to create viral catchphrases or him just being so burnt out that he's just repeating the same thing over and over? It's just him being him.

Yeah, I felt it was natural. I don't think he even was known as good at a moment. It's just him being him. In fact, I remember after the interview, he was like, yo, I told him how I'm going to roll it out. I was like, no, that's going to be all boring, all the family shit, nah, the shit about going to flop.

I said, let me, let me, let me do what I do. Trust me. And he's like, oh, I get it now. Oh, now I get it. I'm like, yeah, this is a little different than what you're used to. What do you feel like is the craziest clip? Has that clip dropped yet or is there something else that's even crazy? I mean, the stuff about Trippie was pretty crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Him, like, rapping the Trippy Red version of Gummo. Yeah. I thought that was kind of funny. We were actually supposed to interview Trippy right around that time. I think even before that came out. I'm not holding my breath at this point. Yeah, I wonder if he would feel away about that.

I don't know. I mean, I know, like, for example, I reached out to, I think it was like big, big moochie great, you know, who's part of, PRE. PRE to do an interview. Because we had been talking before about doing the interview. And I remember I had the manager he had asked. They were like, never. And I'm like, okay, because the Hernandez-Govann.

interview is just like, okay, so now they hate me because I interviewed, I guess, one of their ops. They got away with murder, but he was tried in front of a court. They found him not guilty. You don't know for a fact what his involvement is in the shit. And now you're mad at me over interviewing the guy. Yeah. Which to me is just sort of like, well, whatever.

Yeah. Like, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, but that shit is weak. If all it takes for us to not be cool is for me or you to continue doing. what we've been doing for 10 plus years. And what I'm supposed to alter what I do over some, you know, like a group of artists label, whatever, they don't fuck with me anyways. Yeah. It's not, it's not like you have-

We've interviewed Dolf a long, long time ago. We haven't done Dolf like leading up, you know, to the time he passed. We've never done Keglock. Like, we've never done any of these guys. It's not like you're not human because let's say, God forbid, something, somebody did something to Bousie. I'm sure you would have a different thought process about interviewing the person responsible for that kind of thing.

Well, that's a personal connection. Exactly. Right. But I interview Soldier Boy and I interview the guy who he shot. But then that's like the ultimate decision right there. So you want to maintain the relationship or do you want to do what you consider right as a journalist? But if there's never a relationship to begin with, how are you going to be mad at that person? When there was no relationship to begin with.

Right. You see what I'm saying? No, for sure. Yeah. Like I don't know anyone over there. So they're mad at me, but we've never had a relationship to begin with. So, all right. I can't understand this mentality here.

Your personal thoughts, outside of what the jury said. Do you think he had any involvement? No. No, right, for sure. No. I was saying the same thing. Did he maybe, did he maybe have an inkling that it might be happening? Possibly.

But did he, it was he to go between? Did he take the money for a murder or whatever else? No, I don't think so. And the jury, and the thing is, I just want to answer your question. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Is that he had his lawyer right there, and they didn't say, don't ask us this. I was able to ask whatever the fuck I want. You know how thorough I am.

Yeah. I went through the whole thing. I went through every, every detail and so forth. All they had was that there was communication with him, big joke, and the two killers. in the days leading up to the murder. So he never denied knowing any of them. The only witness is one of the murderers who snitched on the other murderer

who hasn't gone to trial yet, who's trying to get his situation not doing life in prison. There's not a single text message that had anything to do with a murder. At the end of the day, that's like tying me into the Big U situation. I know Big U, we've called, we've texted.

I got nothing, but I know nothing about anything he was fucking doing that was illegal if he did anything at all. So the jury saw that right away. I remember I mentioned, I'm like, oh, they deliberated for three hours. They said less than three hours. An hour and a half of that was jury instructions and blah, blah, blah. It was really about an hour, hour and a half.

So you mean to tell me, you mean to tell me a group of jurors. These are not hip-hop fans. These are regular working people in Memphis. 12 of them got together and they're dealing with a murder case that has life in prison attached to it. For one of the most beloved rappers

in Memphis history. For one of the most beloved rappers with a guy that has an extensive criminal history already has been shot, went to jail, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in an hour and a half, they quickly said, not guilty. There was no argument in that room.

There was no holdout saying, no, I think he did it. It could have easily stretched out for days. I did it. So, so, like,

come on. Like, everyone thinks they know the real deal more so than the jurors, more so than the judge, whatever else.

Right? Let me, let me explain something to you. This was like the aha moment because you know, like, for example, everyone's like, free Tory,

Tori, Tories, is going to get an appeal, everything else like that. Do you know what percentage of appeals actually are successful? Maybe one? Two percent. Two percent.

Two percent. Two percent. whoever's there is probably going to stay, not because they're innocent or guilty, is because they have a 2% chance of this actually working. Granted, when you have money and so forth, that can increase to 3, 4, 5, 6%, maybe, but you're still 90-something% sure you're going to stay where you are.

2%. 2%. So everyone likes to be like the armchair lawyer. But for example, all the people I've interviewed, about the Diddy case, how much time will he get? I asked two dozen people what they thought. Time served, they'll let him out the same day, maybe a year at the most. The only person that said he might get a good amount of time was Judge Mathis,

who was an actual state judge. Right. Right? Who was a lawyer and then became a judge. And he pretty much nailed it. I mean, there's so many people who, like, Toy Lane's is such a good example of somebody who, yeah, he may have lost in court, but he's playing the game of winning over people's hearts. And he's basically crafted a disinformation strategy for the ages. Like, there are so many people who believe that there's essentially no evidence against Tory Lane's and that he is innocent.

And for anyone who actually has paid attention to the case, having that perspective is fucking insane. but that is almost like a majority opinion in hip hop. In hip hop. Including the drakes of the world, including the Aidan Rostas of the world. Yeah. Yeah, look, I ran to his dad. And everybody hates Meg.

You know, let's be real. Meg to Stan, she is not very well liked by the mainstream in hip hop. Well, I think women like her. Women like her, but like... Women like her. Even women. She's really one of the only women

who's not wrapped up in this Cardi and Nikki war, really. That's true, right? Yeah. But I ran into his dad. Troy's dad. Right. What's his name? Sunstar? Sunstar, yeah, I think so.

Yeah. And, you know, we had a conversation. And I told him, you know, he's like, oh, I'd heard that you've been saying something. I said, well, you know, this is what I've said. And I felt that, you know, if he really didn't do it, he should take him a stand. Because there's no way I'm going to go to jail over some bitch I just met. I'm fucking on the side. And they went and shot somebody.

He was like, no, we know he couldn't do that. I said, no, I understand. But, you know, I wasn't going to change my story just because I'm standing. We were both very respectful towards each other. Right. We exchanged numbers and so forth. But. remember that Peel was like,

oh, uh, Kelsey was a shooter. And Tori hit her forearm and the gun dropped and fired twice. Like, the gun dropped and fired twice. Like, what type of Looney Tunes,

Bugs Bunny shit is, are you guys trying to paint here? Yeah. Like the gun dropped and it fired twice. Like, but did, uh, did his dad try to convince you at all?

No, no, no, it wasn't, it wasn't that. Well, we were, where we were,

it was like a children's type of place. Really? Yeah, it was like us there with a bunch of kids. Always so weird when you see like other hip-hop media personalities or whatever in those kind of environments. Like I said, it was a and I don't want to say where it is

not to put his business out there, but it was a place where it was mostly children. So two grown men arguing in front of a bunch of kids, all of us would have felt stupid as hell like doing that. Like, you know what I mean? I wasn't trying to do that. I was super respectful and he was respectful. You could tell, you know, listen, no one wants to see their kid doing 10 years, getting stabbed up. Like, it's horrible, man.

And I don't have anything against Tori at all. I just would always say it looks like he's going to go to prison over this. And he tries to, he tried to create this whole thing. And this is the problem where when you think social media is behind you, you think that's going to translate into a courtroom. It didn't. Same thing with Diddy. Diddy was booking speaking events next week. Because he thought, oh, the media is on my side now.

Look, everyone's on my side. Yeah, I didn't win, but I won most of the, most of the major, all the major charges. And now everyone thinks Cassie's an asshole. And yeah, I'm getting out. I'm getting out. Book this, book that. I'm there. I'm there.

And then they bring it up to the fucking judge. And it probably, and I asked Mathis, he said the judge potentially gave him more time just for that. Just for that. Well, they tried to use it against him in sentencing, yeah. That's what I'm saying. They brought up in sentencing, and they couldn't deny that it was actually happened. So the judge is probably like, okay.

How much time you think he should have got for that? I felt in this particular case, I mean, if you look at what he was convicted of, which is prostitution, I would say time served is fair. It's just fair. If you really want to prove a point, give him another year. Right?

Five years. What four years? Was it four years? Two months? That's excessive for what he was actually convicted of. But what Mathis brought up, which is, once again, this is why we're not good at certain jobs, like being a lawyer and understand the legal system, he said, listen, even if Diddy gets convicted of just prostitution, the judge is going to look at what came out in that courtroom,

and they're going to adjust the time based on the other things, even though he wasn't convicted of him, it was confirmed that he beat on women. It was confirmed that he threatened people. It was confirmed that these women were suicidal at certain points and, you know, there was drugs involved and so forth. There was enough there for him to say, I'm going to go towards an upper guideline of this particular situation. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a tricky one for us because this is a crime that as much as it is a federal offense, none of us have any kind of moral qualms with it. Like we all think... Go buy some pussy.

Exactly. Yeah. He was buying dick. Like, you know what I mean? He was a dick buyer. So I don't, I don't fucking know. His lawyer brought up some interesting. He said, you know, Mr. Combs is the only man in America who's in jail right now for hiring male

prostitutes. There's literally no one else in jail. In all of America. I hate that they were able to use all that shit against him because it just feels like the viral nature of this case got him more time of prison. which really feels like that is, it's just not how this is supposed to go,

but it did. And I mean, really for me, I ultimately think, like, given what I thought was going to happen to him a year ago, I think they should be thankful they probably will do another year and a half in prison

and then get out. Like, I didn't think that this was such a verdict that he should have been drop into the floor crying. If anything, that made me feel like, oh, this is a guy who's still full of his own hubris and ego.

And, and, you know, I feel like if I was in his situation and I, I got probably another year and a half that I would have been fucking all right. Cool. I can get back to life in a year and a half.

I feel like it's a W because, I mean, they were recommended 11. Yeah. He was like facing like 50 to life. So it was like at that point, doing four more, you know. But he could have walked for me. What did he do? Yeah. I interviewed five of the male prostitutes and got the same story every single time.

Cassie was a willing participant. In a lot of cases, she was the one that was actually fueling the situation. Same thing with, you know, Jane Doe, like, you know, 50's baby mom. It's the same shit. Like, I remember interviewing Don the dealer in your world. He's Dick Dealer Don. Not necessarily in my world. I wasn't familiar with this guy before I saw you interview him, but yeah.

The porn world. Yeah. But he's an actual. Oh, he's a porn star as well? Oh, no, he has a bunch of scenes. Got it. Right? And he was saying how, like, Daphne was the one that just took control the whole situation.

She was like, you know, when he was explaining to her, she was like, clap and got all happy. And then she would pick out his underwear and she would tell. She took over, Diddy's role. It was like the director of the host that, oh, you're going to do this and you're going to do that. And she was totally into it. But then on the stand, suddenly she's a victim. It's just like, it's just freaky sex. Have you been contacted by her team?

Can you speak on that? I talked to someone that was working with her, but we didn't get too far in the conversation. I think what she was expecting was just a number that's not realistic. in our world. Many such cases these days. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you just recently went to the NBA Young Boys show, which I assume was your first time seeing him in concert.

Obviously, this is basically like the biggest concert series you could imagine, and especially in terms of street rap at this point. Obviously, Drake and Kendrick are doing their thing. But for this kind of music, this is almost kind of unprecedented. Yeah, shot to academics. Yeah. He was the one that brought me back there. And, yeah, man, his team was.

his team is dope. Shout out to Fee. Little Tim was there. I got to meet little Tim for the first time. You had interviewed him remotely. It was remote. I didn't want to fly down to Savannah again for that particular interview. That's one that we turned down, given how much heat we took for interviewing one of Pop Smokes

Killers, which is a very different scenario. But at that point, it felt like I don't really need to go through another round of this. Well, I think Tim acted in standard ground. 100% agree. If Tim had robbed King Vaughn and killed him in the process, it would have been,

I would have looked at a little bit differently, but this was a self-defense situation. He was protecting his friend. They're outnumbered at a nightclub. They're outnumbered. The guy jumped on him. This guy is a self-professed serial killer. I would expect my security

who's sitting right over there to do the same thing. It's unfortunate, but it's self-defense. I didn't actually... I didn't really get a lot of... You know, I don't think I'll be hanging out around Dirk's people like that. But then again, I heard Dirk is cool also with me because I interviewed his lawyer. Right. You know, Drew Finling had to get the okay from Dirk to do that interview.

Right. And we did the interview. So I think that, you know, the pushback you got, I mean, I don't really have a problem with what you did. Right. Me personally, and I've said this publicly before. But I understand how everyone wants to be outraged and everyone wants to be mad at the news outlet for giving the person a platform, but they do want to hear the story.

Yeah. Whatever happened to him, I feel like he sort of faded away after that. I never saw anything really with him after that. I heard he got locked up again after that. You got locked up again? Yeah. Really?

For what? I can't remember what before. I think he'd be out in like a year's little. He might have got out, but he's been lying low. He seemed like he wasn't 100% there to begin with, though. He seemed like he was just a child, drugged out.

Yeah, I think he was off perks. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. He seemed like he was drugged out. I think it, really stands out to me too that there's like a new york and l.a have some pretty intense cultural differences and as much as we're all americans and as much as there's no explicit you know beef between the coasts i do think that some people in new york just like kind of have a

hard time understanding what l.a is like and understanding that that kid a block star that he's basically a celebrity in l.a at this point regardless of how he got there and in l. And in l. the gang culture is such that this kid was going to be a huge interest and he was going to appear on some platform regardless, one way or another. And I think to like...

I was out for the interview. Right. And I think to a lot of New Yorkers, they just don't understand being a young kid from Hoover who catches a famous body is enough to basically elevate you to the status of being a minor celebrity in the L.A. street world and

you know, I did the interview regardless of the fact that I had judgments about him. And I think that there's nothing wrong with interviewing people who've done horrible things. I interviewed one of the guys that was involved in the murder of Michael Jordan's father. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know a plug back in the day, right? Me and Charlotte may not have a falling out over that interview, which we ultimately fixed. But look, at the end of the day, not everyone could pull this off.

Like to sit down with someone and seriously talk to them about a horrific event and get them to open up and do it in a way that it's still respectful. It's not easy, man. It's not easy, but I feel that these types of interviews are important in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, that interview is part of Pop Spokes story. Would you interview the guy who killed Charlie Kirk a couple years from now? I would do the interview today. What's your thought process on that?

It's noteworthy. It's Newsworthy. Timothy McVey got interviewed. Right. It was way worse than this guy. Yeah. Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building and killed, I believe, hundreds of people. There was a daycare center in there.

Right. And he got interviewed. Yeah. So why would this be somehow worse? Would you have interviewed Osama bin Laden? 100%. See, that's what I'm saying. It's like, just because somebody did something fucked up, does not mean they're off limits.

He got interviewed like in this cave, like in Afghanistan or everything. hell he was. He was doing news out of this. Yeah, like 2020 or something. Like, no, someone went up, like, had to go on donkeys. Like, go up to this, risk their own lives. Like, yo, I mean, we really, you know, when I look at my history of interviewing people, like,

I've risked my life at various times to do this job. Like, things have gone. I've had guns pointed at the camera. I've, there's been, you know, drive-bys in the vicinity of me doing stuff. when I used to just go out on location and people's blocks and people's studios and so forth. I sat down with people that, you know, like I remember

what's his name? I never put this out, but 03 Grito or I did his last interview before he got locked up. And he was on edge. He was about to do 20 years or something. It ended up being five, but yeah, we all thought it was going to be 20, yeah.

It was going to be some heinous amount. And I had mentioned someone's name. It was someone that he didn't get along with. He said, I don't want to talk about him. And I was trying to tell him that I just interviewed him. He spoke nicely about him to try to somehow de-escalate this. And Grito snapped.

He was just like, motherfucker, I told you we'll talk about this shit. Now, fuck this interview. You know, I'm a gangster. I want to be here. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all right, man. I apologize. My bad.

I'm sorry. You know, like, I remember that was the day. I said I'm bringing in, I'm bringing security for people that I don't really know. That was, that was a turning point. Big E, you can thank O3 Greedo for this. That was the day, because I remember at that moment, I'm like, things can go left right now. Yeah. Things can go left.

He kind of doesn't give a fuck right now. I mean, what's an extra assault based on whatever the fuck he's, you know, he's facing at this point. Right. It's whatever. So, yeah, things went bad because I try to push the envelope a little bit with someone that didn't want to be pushed on that particular day. Yeah.

Right. So, yeah, man. I mean, but who would not tune in and watch the interview with Charlie Crookes Killer? No. Who would not watch that right now? Right now, we could probably beat out the Super Bowl with that interview. Oh. People, you know what I'm saying?

For sure, especially with Bad Bunny on there. Spanish. You can't understand any of the words. Or the Charlie Kirk Killer interview. Hey. We'll edit this in, but was Othi Gritos freak out there? Was it more intense than this? Stubboy Blue pulls up to no jemper with raw L.A. energy

and nearly loses it when Adam 20 to brings up Nipsey hustle. But who actually puts you on to the music hustle? Uh, who, Nip? What did Nip represent to you that was... Nothing, nigga. That was my big homie, nigga. What you mean, nigga? I'm crib. But why do you think it hit you so hard? Look at that was my big homie, nigga.

Oh, nigga. That was my big homie, bro. Like, nigga, that's nip, nigga. Dead homies. And he's rich and he's still here. Like, what the fuck? Nigna. On Crip.

Who the fuck? On 6-0, nigga? Who to fuck a do some shit like that, nigga? Dead homies, nigga. I'm 6-0. Nigna. That's my big homie, nigga. I'm Cripp, nigga.

Black Sam raised me, nigga. I'm 6-0. That's family, nigga. That's my big homie, bro. I swear to go. God, niggoo. To this day, God, that's just still herbie. Oh, niggum.

That's the most intense one that I think I've dealt with. Yeah, no, it wasn't that. He was just, and you know what's funny is that afterwards, I actually talked about that with him. We laughed it off. I was like, what I was trying to say? He was like, yeah, I know, man, I'm just, I'm going through it right now. You know, we literally laughed it off afterwards.

So it didn't end badly. And we kept going with the interview, right? But, yeah, shit. shit happens. It is what it is if you're trying to create the highest level content. And I feel like even, like, I feel like I'm still competing, right? I don't feel like I'm just like, yeah, you know, what the young boys do. And I'm chilling.

I'm just doing occasionally. I'm like, now, like, I'm still trying to hit home runs what I do. So yeah, Charlie Curse Killer, you're listening. You can't pull up because you're currently locked up, but tap in, maybe. I'll have to go to you. I doubt that let me bring the cameras. The world would be better off if there was a three-hour Adolf Hitler interview, like a Vlad TV quality Hitler interview where you could watch it and look at his face.

You could see the crystal meth. You could see the agitate. You know, like that would be obviously there's clear reasons why it shouldn't exist. You have a dog in the fight also. But I mean, in general, I think if you could observe him for who he really was, that would be one of the most important documents in recorded human history. Yeah, people still read his book.

People watch his speeches. Yeah. I mean, I don't understand the need to try to hide certain things. Now, there are people that I just don't really want to talk to. Did you just interview Flees Johnson? I did, and he takes issue with the fact that you basically called him a rapist.

He said that he never took anything that wasn't given to him. Really? We could do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way. They always chose the easy way. Well, see? Really? That's not rape. Rape is the hard way.

That's not, no, it's rape both ways. It's rape both ways. The interview itself is insane, but he said that he would sit down with a guy that he was interested in and he would show them porn. And he would show them a penis going in a vagina, and he would say, that's not that different than what I'm going to do to you. And at some point, this would start to resonate. What I'm going to do to you?

A lot of times these guys... You don't get fucked by the pussy. These guys are so... They're so young. They've never had sex. So they're going into prison, and this is all a mystery to them. They don't really know what they're missing out on. They don't know what they like.

I agree. It's super fucked up. But I thought it was a story worth telling. Give me a headache right now. I mean... I mean, he was taking ass in prison. Like, he was taking people's ass. He said he wasn't taking it.

He said he was giving it. Really? So now, so explain the old interview. He said he was kind of like trolling, fucking around. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm going to take that at face value. So that's what it is. I mean, he'd renderate me at one point.

So, you know, it is what it is. I got the sense that he was feeling me out to be his next cissy as well. Yeah? Yeah. Kind of felt a little flirtatious. But he also told me he had looked. up my wife and that he really wanted to fuck her. He's married.

He has a female wife. Yeah. I heard about this. You got to wonder what's going on with her. Who is she? She's not grossed out by, not easily grossed out. Let's say that. She's not terribly concerned with her husband's past.

I mean, look, there was a whole boondocks episode about this. And he was pissed off about it. Yeah. I mean, this is why I even considered doing it because I was on the boondocks. Right. So people like connect me with the whole boondocks. thing. And I'm like, okay, flee job. But I thought, yeah, he was trolling also, but we looked into the background. It's not, it's not trolling. The dude is a rapist. And like I said,

the easy way or the hard way, you're raping somebody. You're just telling them not to resist because it'll be violent, it'll be a violent rape. Well, but you're kind of assuming that he was threatening them. He says that he wasn't. So I feel like I have to take his word for it. Really? Well, I don't have to, but I choose to. I'm trying to get this second interview. Yeah, listen, I just chose not to interview him because just a male rapist. That's just not, that's all he's known for to me.

Like, right? Like, he's a male rapist. Like, I don't interview, you know, dudes that rape females. That's all they're known for. Like, you know, I can imagine if, you know, like, for example, like you see people that have been accused of shit, you know, like a tray songs, but Trey songs as a whole. There's other reasons to interview him. He has a real talent, a real musical career and so forth,

and then maybe we might touch on that. But Fleece Johnson is just a rapist. He's the famous rapist. Vlad, that's a thing. Vlad, if you robbed a liquor store, would you post it on Instagram? No. If you rob somebody for their basketball, would you post on Instagram? No.

Like 6'9, making the extremely long drawn-out point that he didn't know that girl in the video was underage. That was one of the funniest parts of that interview. I hate to keep going back to it. It's part of a bigger story. Yeah. But just the fact that he felt like he needed to use up so much of the interview repeating that was so funny to me.

That was the whole part where he was trying to justify beating up Sarah Molina. Yeah. I was just like, well, what if your friend did this? And then I'm like, I could leave. Yeah. The beating up of the girl part doesn't really is not the next logical step. Right? It's not the only path out.

So whatever, 6.9 is going to be 6.9. So just to go back to the Young Boy show, you got to meet Birdman for the first time. Yeah. Anything else stand out to you about being in that environment, out that crazy of a show? Let's talk about, all right, the moment that three and them walked up on you in academics, he was looking like they wanted smoke. Like, there's like memes. OG3, Young Boy's brother.

They walked up on you guys pretty aggressively. Really? said what's up, but there's like a... The clip was going around. He walks up all fast and like, you know, aggressively, and then you guys kind of had that conversation and then you realize that's just how he was walking around. You didn't see him like hugging me?

No, afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After, like, you see I had a, uh, uh, that you got out of pool. But there was a clip that academics posted where it looked like, it was like, what the fuck? Why were they walking so aggressive? Oh, I didn't catch that all. Me and him, at the point, me and him saw each other.

He was like, oh, shit. Because we didn't see each other since our last interview. His mouth was all had diamonds on his mouth. He seemed super happy. He was like, hella happy to see me. That's all I saw. I'm just being honest.

I have no idea about all this other... You'll see the clip after you watch anything... Okay. Yeah. No, man, it was a great show. It was, uh... What about the energy that you seen from the fans? Like, how did you expect that?

Fans were great, man. Fans were great. A lot of them asked for pictures. Yeah. It was just a lot of love, man. It was a lot of love. No, not even from you. Just like how his fans are like...

Nah, his fans. Nah, man. It was a great show. Yeah. It was a great show, great energy. It was great to see him doing his thing with all. If you look at all the times he stumbled on the way to get here. Right?

It's like he's been a hot rapper forever, but he's just always in jail or on house arrest and more shit happens along the way. And he goes back in and, you know, gets caught with the prescription drugs and this, that, and the third. He could have been torn like this. for five years. Right?

Easy. Because remember, I only just started seeing him do like clubs and then suddenly all the legal problems started. Although I wonder to what extent these tours would still be as huge five years from now

if he just consistently keep doing it because so much of this, the excitement about it was the fact that he hadn't been able to tour for such a long time. Well, young boy got this really, like, there's a couple songs of his that I like, but I'm not like a super big young boy fan

just to be honest. Like no smoke like I love. I'm the same way. I like a bunch of the songs, but do I have the encyclopedic knowledge of his catalog the way that we do about a Jay-Z or a Drake? No. I don't.

In fact, his project with Kondo is my favorite project that he's put out. Oblock Hater. What? You're an oblochator. That's an obloch. That's an obloch disc album. Is it?

Yeah. The whole album? I mean, kind of. Young boy was mad at the label for putting it out because he had gone through this transformation at that time. I had no idea. I don't I'm not as intricate with this shit I understand I'm not I have any of you dudes from O block

like I'm not in the middle of this shit He says O block pack get rolled up on the album Okay well in your face but yeah But yeah it was It was interesting to see And I'm not really outside like that So interacting with everyone Like I ran into Tusi again

That was dope What was it? Got to meet D Baby for the first time and his manager was super, like, happy to see me and was, like, really, like, super respectful and talking about putting some shit together. Ran to Offset. Didn't seem like he really want to talk to me. Really?

Yeah. I was like, because we were all kind of, like, walking by. I'm like, oh, Vlad, Relatje's. Yeah, yeah, I know you are. He wasn't like, uh, he just like that. I'm not going to do none, but, yeah, I see, you exist. I know you are. And I'm like, that's interesting.

That's that. That's the end of our conversation. It's weird with somebody like Offset because, like, you or I have probably had so many. conversations about Offset that I have no idea if I said anything offensive what did he see what did he not see I have no fucking clue I don't know man

so I just when I got that reaction I just kept it moving I was like meeting a Burman because you said I talked for yeah for two for two years I could show you for two years we've been texting he reached out to me first this was after the Terrence Gangster Williams interview and he reached out to me and he said he wanted to do

something but we've never done it every time we've talked about doing it he hasn't given me a solid time. But we've been, if I text him, he'll hit me back, right,

like within an hour. Or if I want to get on the phone with him, we'll get on the phone. We just have never been in the same room. So walking in, he didn't know that I was coming.

Academy just brought me, you know, just brought me along. And he was like, and you can see the video. He's like, is that how I think it is? I'm like,

what's up? It was like a actual real like, I fuck with you hug. Like, and then just, Because I just have always admired him. This to me is the greatest pure hip-hop CEO of all time. He's never deviated from the music.

He's always been about the music and really nothing else and continued to stay hot and stay at the top level, really the whole time even through today. He's generation now, even with young boy. Now we got young boy. Nicky, Drake, Hot boys, Hot boys, Wayne, juvenile.

He became the rapper at one point. No, I 100% agree with you. So, so no one has done, look, Ditty's phenomenal, but he started making really a lot of his money in liquor. And fashion. Jay Z has not, you know, really has not fucked with the music in a while and really hasn't even signed artists. I mean, I guess Meg the Stallion is the last one.

They probably signed, but. Yeah. And that's a management company. That's really a management company, right? Like, he hasn't really, you don't see Jay, like, at the shows. Like, Birdman was really there. He was right there on the stage with, like, a little folding chair, just chilling. Do you, okay, because academics has interviewed young boy, I think, twice.

Yeah. Full-length interviews that then, I don't know what the reason was, but at some point, Birdman told him, hey, I would like you to not put that interview out. for me is very hard for me to imagine going through the process of preparing for that interview doing that interview and then not putting it out. How would you feel if you sat down and did a two, three hour interview with Birdman

and then he asked you not to release it? I mean, it would hurt. I'm not going to say it's no problem. Right. But at the end of the day, you have to look where you are with the relationship. Right? If you have a real relationship,

then there are moments like that that are going to happen. Right? If this is someone who doesn't really fuck with you, then it's whatever. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Then it's like,

well, we're just doing business here. Right. Because if Ack had just dropped one of those, it would have been great for him. But then for sure, him seeing him backstage at the Young Boy concert, probably wouldn't have been a great vibe.

Right. Or him and Birdman probably would not have a relationship. Like, I was there in that, you know, in that bus because of Ack. Ack walked me up in there. Now,

I have Burroman's number. I could have called him, but we were, were not talking leading up to that that was all academics man and uh shout to academics i feel like you know people like to to paint him a certain type of way man it's just a cool a cool motherfucker that really has done good business you know has been transparent and uh really got to where he is through really just his own efforts nobody put him there nobody helped him out he developed his own relationships i think he keeps it honest with the people like you know he's not just going to be

someone's cheerleader just because he fucks with them If they fuck up, he's going to report on that as well. And, yeah, man, I'm definitely thankful for the relationship we have. You know, there's a new academics interview out right now on VladTV. You know, when I'm in New York, you know, we rock with each other. Were you there when Jim Jones accosted academics? I was right there, yeah. Oh, so that was the same New York show.

What was the vibe? It was New Jersey. Jersey, yeah. What was the vibe? And were you worried at a moment? Well. And did you say how to Jim? Jones. I feel like he might give you the cold shoulder as well.

I'll tell you the whole story. Okay. Got to smoke some of a Vlad TV. I ain't a lot. That shit got me high. I can't even smoke in here and not even asking questions. It's some Zah, co-signer, for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Available stores now. All right, so me and Jim don't really have the best relationship, right?

At one point, early on, Vlad TV, we did some interviews, I think might have been doing the DVD days. I don't think we ever had like a really serious sit-down an interview, but I was fucking with French Montana, and he was into it with Jim Jones because of the whole Max B situation. So I asked French, there was a couple interviews where he's talking about the whole beef with Jim, and he goes into detail and so forth. So I guess Jim did like that.

I remember this one time, I don't even, if Jim watches this, I don't know if he'll remember this or not, but I was at BET to do something. And I was back, I was in the green room and Dipset was there. and me and Jewels were cool. We had done a few interviews. I would go to his studio and film out there. So me and him kind of a kind of relationship. I think Freaky Ziki was there and we were cool

and some of the other dipset dudes were there. And Jim Jones comes in and he goes, shakes everyone's hands, shakes everyone's hand. He puts his hand out. When I put it up, he goes like this, and it walks out. That was the last time I saw Jim Jones. That right there.

What year are you talking? Oh my God Pre-2010? Yeah, maybe 2009. Something like that. Yeah, it was close to the time I launched flat TV, 2008-9, maybe 10. Right. Yeah, maybe 10 at the latest, right.

So since that time, I'd seen Jim leave some negative comments about me and something like that. And we had talked about doing an interview. And we have this guy that we know in common, but it would never, you know, for whatever, reason we never even got to step one so it's like you know I assume Jim just doesn't fuck with me like that right and I've seen Jim spas out on people so I'm not trying to be around that right so that happens so this whole thing with academics happens right in front of me right and I see him talking to Jim and then Jim starts getting kind of like aggressive with him and act has his security right there with him I actually didn't have security with me I just was just going to rock with

Act security. Piggybacking enough. I was just piggyback. I don't usually do that, but I felt like I don't really got beef with no one here.

Like I should be, I should be cool here. And you're not expecting to see Jim Jones in this environment anymore. Not necessarily, but like I said, I don't have beef with Jim Jones.

I just remember the whole the whole hand thing in a couple of the comments, right? So Jim is like talking to Act and he's kind of like aggressive about it, but in Act security is like right there.

I remember one point, Jim was this your man? Yeah, or something. So he just, but Jim had a bunch of people with him also. So I was sort of standing kind of behind act, you know, because it's like if all hell broke loose,

then I would try to help him. You know, I'm not his security. I wasn't trying to be like right there on gym, but I'm like, okay, if all hell breaks loose, I'm behind act. Right. I'll try to get someone off of them or something to the best of my ability, right?

But they have the conversation, and then they walk away from each other, right? So I'm like, I don't want to have this kind of conversation with Jim right now. So I just fall back, right? But then at one point, he, he kind of like reaches over to me. Because I think that someone's like, oh, that's glad right there. He reaches over to he, he pulls out his hand, and to shake my hand, I shake his hand.

Jim did. Jim did. Got it. So, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to tell you the other part of story to say that he actually reached out to me to shake my hand, which I thought was cool. You know, but I still wasn't sure where his head was at, so I didn't want to, like, follow up with a conversation. I'm like, I just leave it with a handshake and keep it moving. Keep it moving because it's like Jim just seemed kind of high strung.

You see what I'm saying? Jim and Act coming face to face is like different eras of hip hop coming face to face because Jim comes from an era where the streets are the most important thing. Who's the toughest is the most important thing. And Act comes from an era where that is completely irrelevant. And he's not really worried about you punching him in his shit because, one, he's with security. he feels like he's welcome here. This is his environment, so he's going to be good.

Also, I don't know that AC would necessarily sue Jim Jones, but it's definitely a possibility. I don't know that AC would necessarily talk to the cops about Jim Jones, punching him in the shit, but he definitely might. And so so many of these things that matter to Jim are just completely irrelevant to AC. I think AC would talk to the police.

Why would he not? If the police asked him what happened, I think, yeah, he punched me. There's a million cameras probably capturing him. I don't know that ACA is going to, you know, go down to the precinct and do an interview about it. I feel like he doesn't really have a lot to gain from that. And I think he's very conscious of the image.

And I think that in general, hip-hop would clown him mercilessly. And I feel like he might not see himself having anything to gain from it. He cooperated with the feds. He gave them the video of six-nine robbing those dudes. The whole six-nine, the whole six-nine, wrap-a-robbery thing that happened. Act cooperated with the police. But that's kind of like them coming to him asking for information

that he could easily turn over as opposed to him. Sort of, you know, if you want to press charges against somebody for beating you up at a concert, you kind of got to go out of your way to do so. I'm not sure that Act would necessarily see a reason to do. Or police would go to him and say, do you want to press charges? Yeah. We're ready to take a statement.

I feel like Act might not do it. But maybe it would. I don't know. If he did it, do you think it would make a difference? I don't think so. I think it would almost make him bigger. And that's the thing is, I think, to act, it would just be content. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. He would live stream him giving the difference. statement to the police. Everyone tune into that shit. Yeah. But I'll do it. Think about that. If I said, okay, I'll make a statement, but I want to live stream the whole thing. Police will be like, all right, who cares? We're getting a conviction out of this. You can't say, that's not what I said. It's right there for the world to see. I don't think it matters. It really doesn't. Now, I'm not saying you should do that. I'm saying, you know, at the end of the day, but, you know, there might be a civil lawsuit. But, you know, Jim's mom,

was there. A young boy's mom was there too. They're like hanging out together. I don't think Jim's ready to crash in that environment. Over what? Over Ack, maybe, you know, I guess he interviewed 6'9 or like he interviewed people who talked shit about him.

But really, it's not like Ack was running this months long Jim Jones hate campaign in which maybe I could see Jim losing it over that. Yeah, I mean, act basically mentions something that I agree with is that is, you know, as Jim

continues his career, right? Like, I've always thought that what Jim has pulled off has been impressive because this is someone that did not start off as a rapper. He was just part of Cam's crew. But Jewel's was like the next rapper up and Jim was just there. And his rap career has kind of outlasted

the actual rappers from diplomats in a way. Yeah, I mean, think about it. He has the biggest song out of dipset, period. Really? Well. Name a song better than balling. Oh, boy? No, you're right.

Big song. Wait, Hey, Ma wasn't bigger than that. Hey Ma or ballin? Ballin was doing ringtone era too. The ringtone era, I mean, basketball games. It was a whole movement around balling. Heyma was a good song. I feel like I'm still giving it to.

I'm telling me balling is better, not me bigger than that. That's what I'm saying. So he wasn't got the biggest song. It's the song he tore off forever. But okay, but in the modern era, Hey Ma has like 13 times the views that We Fly High does. Or wait, that's We Fly High does. how that's not bawling. Where is balling? Was that

that is it? That is the official title, right? So ball and that's how many streams? 4.6 million. No, balling us 4.6 million? We fly high, but then 60 million for Hey Ma. How many rings on? Those are on YouTube. We could go look at Spotify also if we want.

I feel like I hear fucking Hey Ma still to this day and it's such a huge hit. Whoops. I guess I got to look at Camerone's. Account. Hey Ma, 2001 million plays. On Spotify? Yeah, 201. Okay, so go to Jim Jones.

Jim Jones, 47 million. So it's, you know, five times or four times bigger on Spotify. All right. Well, clearly, clearly I was wrong. Well, I mean, but in terms of charts, you're right, I think. Well, I don't know, actually. Hey, Mom might have. I don't think it was a number one song.

Well, listen, big song from someone that is Taras a rapper. Yeah. Great job. And I feel like he continued to sort of stay in the public eye and people still fuck with him. Seems like he's probably always on tour and so forth. I just think that the thing is, is that I think Ack mentioned this in my last interview, was that if you don't really embrace just the non-personal nature of what media does, more people want to work with you

when you're confronting people and this is the image that you see like I said I get my distance especially after seeing that right? I'm like I'm not trying to get into it with Jim Jones this could have him doing that

but let's just say that it was the other way oh shit what's up what's up act whatever oh you Vlad yo come on you know come fuck with me this could turn into Jim being a regular guest on Vlad TV and making whatever hundreds of thousand dollars over the years and you know possibly getting a last opportunity

like for a lot of other opportunities like for example out of the blue a couple of my interviews with Ari Spears went crazy on TikTok have you noticed that? No I don't really look at TikTok but I've seen it on Twitter quite a bit. It's a whole but on TikTok it went ballistic. Yeah

it's a thing and like all my old interviews now all the streams have gone up on the full interviews so it's like you suddenly have your you know now because aries is performing at the uh in Saudi Arabia right now at that he did that shit comedy festival yeah this is this is how you gotta press them on that yeah this is how you know you see people that really take social media and take interviews

whatever seriously you see them elevating like that if they offered you if they offered you if they offered you a million dollars to go to a live podcast or interview or something for the Saudi Arabian government. I'd do it for free. If they want to fly me out and put me up and we work something out. Regardless of the human rights offenses and whatnot?

I mean, at the end of the day, these are not democracies. Right? Have you been like Dubai and places like that? No. I've been to Dubai. I've been to Egypt. I've been to Bahrain. I've been to Jordan. I've been to Israel. you go to these places, these are kingdoms with one king. So at the end of the day, whatever he decides is really how it goes.

There is no freedom of speech. You can't say fuck the king of Dubai. They will lock you to fuck up. Because Tim Dylan was booked to perform at this comedy show, and then he made a bunch of jokes on his podcast about the human rights atrocities that they've all been involved with, and that was basically enough for them to uninvite him. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

Why would we pay you if you're going to be dissing our country? Because they really, they're paying you to whitewash their history. I think that, I don't think that. I think that Saudi Arabia has a lot of fucking money right now. And they're trying to figure out what to do for the next hundred years when the oil starts to run out. And part of it is to create, and this is what Dubai is doing as well. Like I was out in Dubai and I kind of learned a lot about this stuff. They're trying to create like the Las Vegas of the Middle East.

They're trying to have this be a major tourist destination as opposed to just we just make a bunch of oil and have a bunch of oil money because the oil will ultimately run out or people will shift into other forms of energy, right? Not overnight, but over the court. They're looking at this hundreds of years in the future. So this is why they're doing the football, I mean, not the football, they're doing boxing events there. They just bought EA electronic arts. Yeah. 55 billion. Well, they created their own golf league and then.

merged with a PG. But when I say they're whitewashed in their history, it's like they know how they're viewed by Americans. They know that America generally views them as monsters and they're trying to do anything possible to show like, oh no, we're fine. We're okay. Which if that also includes them no longer, you know, murdering journalists, that would be great. Yeah. If they're going to continue to murder journalists and whatnot and then, and, you know, throw gay people off the roofs of buildings and all this type of shit, I mean, for me personally, I feel like I would go do it and I would get paid and I would come back and I would talk shit about it. And I would tell people exactly what my experience was like.

The problem is that you have somebody like Dave Chappelle or, no, Bill Burr is one of the people who's been getting the most shit for it because he's such a beloved comedian. But then he goes there and one of the reasons why he gave when talking about how nice Saudi Arabia is, he's like, there's a Starbucks. There's a McDonald's. Like this is a great place. People are getting along. It's like, well, yeah, that kind of hides some of the secrets.

But, I mean, on the same way, a lot of foreigners could maybe use that same logic. Granted, the U.S. government's not like flying people out to do podcasts or comedy shows. But if somebody was to reject the USA because they, you know, funded Israel destroying Gaza, then I guess I would understand that logic too. Everyone's going to find something to get upset about. At the end of the day, I talked to Aries and he wouldn't tell me how much he got paid through the show. Like, I really tried to get the number out of him. And me and him have business together.

So it's not like I'm just in someone's pockets. Like, yo, I pay you to do my, you know, my show. So tell me how much you made. Like, yo, it was a nice amount. I heard it was 10 times what they normally get. Right. I don't know if that's an oversimplification. Let's just say he gets five.

That turns into 50. You know? I feel like I need. 10, that becomes 100. Yeah. I feel like I'm going to need six figures to go to the Middle East, generally speaking. Really? Yeah.

Man, Dubai, I was cracking. I'm actually trying to go to Saudi Arabia. My man Napoleon from the outlaws. He lives out there. Yeah, absolutely. You can go out there. I'm not going out there. Absolutely.

Man, Dubai was cracking. Yeah? Yeah. Dubai was a level of luxury that you, you know, really don't see very much. Yeah, that's part of what I really don't find that interesting. But also, no weed while you're out there, huh? No.

Not at all that hurt you in your heart? No. No. Maybe I'm a real addict because that sounds horrible to me. I could go without weed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

When I travel abroad, I don't fuck around. I don't try to end up in a... foreign prison somewhere because I don't know what the fuck I'd walk into there. Yeah, I also have never flown into a variety of different countries with marijuana on me. Yeah. I'd like to say that that is something I've never done. Yeah. It's not that serious. I am not that addicted to weed. Yeah. Okay. Um, where do you think we should go with this? What do you think about young thugs selling 52 copies? 52,000 copies first week.

WL? I think that's an L for young thug. I think with all the anticipation around him coming out, it almost could have been like a, think about like Tupac coming out of California Love. Out on bail, fresh out of jail, California dreaming. Like, it could have been some shit like that. If it was some huge smash record. Or for example, like when T.I. got out of prison, he started dropping smashes.

I mean, he came out so gunna at this point. And everyone was waiting on his coastline. for Gunna's career to go forward and now it's like didn't Gunna like adjust someone's the whole runway thing? The jacket, but that was a thug thing originally and then Gunna basically recreated it. But was that sort of like a...

Mocking at you like just like a ha-ha. That's what people were saying. Yeah, see, I'm gonna do your shit now. That's an interesting technique. Instead of like wholeheartedly going at your op, you just do little things to parody them. Yeah, just kind of poke the bear a little bit. We're so used to approaching drama directly.

Yeah. Yeah, I like responding to shit. Gunna has full, I feel like Gunna is influenced by Cardi. I feel like Gunna looks at Cardi and realize like, oh, mystery is going to be my best friend in this next stage of my career. Playboy Cardi. Yeah. Yeah.

You don't know shit about Playboy Cardi. Exactly. But therefore, you see a photo of them. You see a tweet. You see anything. And he has such a big fan base. You're just on it. It's super fascinating.

Right. They got the chick with a face tattoo. That's all you really know. Yeah. And whatever. Iggy Azelia wants to spill out. Like, what could gonna really just say anyway that people would, like, if you just keep a music? Oh, shit, you can say a lot.

Yeah. But at the end of the day, he's not the most interesting person. Yeah, I've never interviewed him. Mystery, I think, is good for him. Yeah. It's good. It's good because he keeps people wanting more. If I'm gonna, I am not doing a two-hour fly TV interview.

Yeah. I don't think that that is what he needs. I mean, that was Young Thug also until he started doing all these new interviews. And that, there's that. Seeing Young Thug on the back foot being defensive and reactive is probably the most aura-dra-draining thing in all of this. Yeah, I feel like you don't have the same Young Thug anymore. If they had leaked all that shit and then he had put out an album and sort of defiantly boasted and laughed at his haters, I feel like it would have came off differently. It was like middle-aged thug down.

This was like the guy that's... It was like he was... So talking about the old days. Yeah. It was like he was forcing to drop in the album just because of all the controversy. Like, I don't know. I don't feel like this was the one.

Didn't Lucci out song? Lucci hasn't dropped yet. Oh, yeah. Oh. But they did do a song together. Okay, but I thought Luchy was supposed to... Okay, never mind. I think it's coming out.

Wait, did he? Did he drop? Yeah, I thought it came out the same day. It came out. Oh, I didn't even know that. Wow, that's actually fucking bad. If I didn't even know it came out. God damn.

They dropped same to... 27K first week, which you would think that... Lucci? Yeah, so that's actually almost exactly half, which I would think that Young Thug should be doing more than twice what Lucci was. Young Thug was kind of a bigger artist than Lucci. By far. Yeah, way bigger.

Young Thug was... No, it's not even close. I fuck with Lucey, but I'm just saying... He had hits, but as far as the cult fan base, not as much. Yeah, and he had all the focus on trial as well, more so Lucci. Yeah. Lucci was going through a parallel trial,

but everyone was really talking about Young Thugs. Yeah. Another thing that came from the Young Thug thing, which we're kind of talking about now, is Lucci and Thug actually squashing beef. Great. And actually being in the club, being friends. Love it.

Love it. What's the alternative? We saw with the Altsa. All right. So Woody. Yeah, yeah. We've seen the alternative. It's not good.

But while I said Woody, he believes that Young Thug in Lucci or fake for, you know, squashing the beef. Okay. Because all the beef and shit

led to a lot of people either being dead or in jail. Yeah. I mean, the whole beef was was retarded, honestly. To let it get to that extent, especially when they

were making real money at that point, is brain dead. Whoever, whoever was actively doing at the time and I don't know at this point.

I don't think it matters, but to come together and say, we're still going to be in the same overall city. We're going to probably keep running into each other. Yeah. Do we really want to keep going this way? I don't see a reason why this is not the best possible situation. Imagine if, imagine if FBG Duck squashed it. Like who was like the king of O'Block?

King Vaughn. King Vaugh. Okay, there we go. Okay, imagine if F.E.G. Duck and King Vaughn said, we're going to publicly do a song together and say, fuck all that old shit. We're going to, and no one's going to see this coming. We're just going to drop it.

And everyone's going to lose their shit. It's going to be the biggest shit, either one of us did. And that will bring the temperature down to the whole situation where, oh, I just seen Duck, you know, the Prada store. He's cool, man. He just did a song with Bond. I'm like, no, I'll call that. You see what I'm saying?

No, for sure. It could have just totally transformed the situation completely. Like, there's always a good reason to do that. Russia and Ukraine have been at war many years now. Right. If they reach an agreement, it's like, I'm sure there would be people saying this. But overall, I think that the future benefits of peace outweigh the fact that there are hundreds to thousands of families who are mourning their children who died as soldiers in this war,

I think that ultimately you have to say, yes, it's terrible that they died, but peace now is enough for us to move on past that. I mean, peace is always the best solution. Yeah. Every single time. There always has to be some way to achieve that. I mean, look, like, how much do we really benefit beefing with people? Just in general.

Like, think about if me and you just didn't fuck with each other, just disliked each other. Like, like, Rory doesn't like me. Right. It's very one-sided because I really don't know Rory. Right. I think he was taking up for Joe initially. Then after Joe fired him, he just felt maybe he needed to stand on that afterwards. Also, hating on Vlad or like hating on Ag, hate on me, is almost the kind of thing that people just start doing without thinking about it.

Because there's times where that's just the trendy opinion. Everyone should do it, right? But think about if we just didn't fuck with each other and would take shots at each other every so often and celebrate each other's, you know, speed bumps, you know, when they happen as opposed to how much we benefited from fucking with each other. Right, not only just on a business level,

but on a personal level and so forth, it was like, yo, like, what are the pluses on the beef side is that I might go a little extra viral every so often? Yeah, but it's not. anything that's going to make or break anything. It's just a little blip on the radar. But it's especially not advantageous to you as the bigger content creator.

Because in this space, everybody wants each other's space. And so for a smaller content creator, oftentimes talking about bigger content creators is the only way that they can get attention. Obviously, Roy's got his own fan base. But for him to take shots at Vlad does more for him, even though I would say that it does almost nothing for him than it does for you. for you to punch down is really an evident waste of your time. Well, but originally it was done on Joe Bunn's podcast.

True, which is you and Joe is more of a fair fight. Yeah, I mean, you could even argue that Joe was bigger, you know, around that time. You know, you can even argue he's bigger now. It is what it is. We all have our following and it's kind of unique. But, yeah, I don't know, man. I feel like, you know, running into Joe and just saying what's up to him and shaking hands and keeping it moving, both of us mentioning that interaction.

our own way and having a consistent story doesn't mean we got to work together but uh you know the people that i do work with i feel sort of a lot of the reason why i am where i am is because i maintained these types of relationship like honestly it's at the point where vlad tv is just kind of like pure relationships now you know like for example like d l hugley's going to do my show tomorrow that's just it's just a relationship like me and him were actually friends and we do we do this every so often. Yeah. And this is sort of, to me,

kind of the core of what I am and what I do. So when I have people, they're just like, yeah, fuck you and so forth. When they actually have something to bring to the table, Rory does have an audience. Rory does have a following. There's probably certain things that I can learn from him,

but instead there's like a whole fuck you stance. It's just like, I, doesn't quite make sense. So I hope that Ukraine and Russia works shit out. It seems like Hamas and Israel are kind of getting close to something. They're talking about giving all the hostages back. At that point, it seemed like it would be reasonable for Israel to stop what they were doing. And I hope that it does because the alternative is what?

people keep getting killed and millions of fatalities more than hundreds of thousands oh I should know what the numbers are right now it's not millions no but I mean it'll get there but it keeps going yeah hundreds of thousands it's definitely the thousands it's a fucked up situation all around and I was spoken about it publicly multiple times

you know I saw the same stance how many dead in Ukraine versus Russia just so we can yeah I mean hundreds of thousands would be A lot. How many dead, including soldiers and civilians? Civilian deaths in Ukraine, 14K, military deaths in the UK, 50 to 100K, and Russia, 100 to 200K.

So in total, maybe 300 to 400, which is obviously, that's insane. It's like a whole city. Just gone. Some people sent me screenshots of you at the NBA Young Boy concert. it appeared that a woman was embracing you, wrapping her arms around you at one point. I know you as someone who has always kept their family life, their private life completely out of the public realm,

and it seems like that's worked out pretty good for you over the years. But that did stand out to me, that this might be indicative of maybe a new era in your life? I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? Oh, okay. So that wasn't anything specific.

That was just how your night was going. Great night. Great night, good vibes at the young boy concert. It was a great night. I feel it. It seemed like a great night. Yeah. I phacizedived you later on,

and it seemed like you were having a great night. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Okay.

I'm trying to figure out what's the most imperative. Yeah. Savvy. Yeah, let's roll that. Click that. Oh, actually, no, because we are not getting audio out of this for some of it. Do you want to ask about the Bad Bunny tweet that I had? Yeah, I had that already.

Yeah, we could fire that up too. Yeah, let's do that. Okay, so do you feel like you've learned anything that changed how you view Bad Bunny as the Super Bowl pick since your take on it initially went viral? And it was kind of funny for me to see you saying that because that was almost exactly what I had been saying about it at the time as well. And I feel like you speak for a silent majority on that one. Yeah, well, because everyone wants to be, like, extra woke and be like,

I listen to everything. I listen to foreign music and this and instrumental stuff, jazz. But ask any non-Spanish-speaking person their favorite bad bunny song. I can't even walk. See what I'm saying? Okay, yeah. I can't anymore. There you go.

Everyone in this room. y'all got a favorite bad bunny song E was your favorite bad bunny song No no you right Behind the behind the No no no exactly I even went and listened to a few I watched a few music videos after this whole

Controversy and I still don't care at all I remember the song with Drake I listened to that a little bit but really more so for the Drake part I don't listen to that Listen like you if you don't know I can't imagine go into any show Like name your favorite BTS song that's in Korean

like you can't really name one. So saying, I don't understand why at an event that's 85% English speaking, you'd have a foreign language artist. It doesn't quite make sense to me. And I feel like I'm the bad guy for saying this. Because, you know, Bad Bunny just did SNL. And he literally addressed that in his monologue. Yeah.

He said learn Spanish. Yeah. You've got four months. Exactly. I mean, clearly I'm not the only, I'm not saying, oh, he's responding to me. I'm not the only one saying this. I think that's a fair statement to say at an American event and people like, well, what about Kendrick?

He sold out Mexico City. That's because there's people there that wanted to see Kendrick. Yeah. It's not the biggest stage in all of Mexico, right? If, let's just say, the soccer finals in Mexico, show me an American artist performing. Seriously, in the national finals of Mexico's soccer league, the biggest sport,

show me an artist performing in English on that stage at halftime. Seriously. I'm with you. Seriously. I'm the bad guy for saying this. I just,

can we all just be, this is just obvious here. And I understand, man. Shout out to all people like Danza was like, oh man, you know, they're trying to convince me. Otherwise, like, I get it. Like, Danza's Spanish, though, right?

He's a Cuban, I think, or something like that. I get it. It's a great moment for all the Spanish people. I see why they feel strongly about it. I get it. He's a huge artist. Just in a different language. You want to know one thing that I almost feel a sense of relief?

Every Super Bowl, I go to my girls' family's house, and I watch the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl I have on show surrounded by a bunch of extremely loud Armenian people. And every year, I'm at least a little bit annoyed because I would rather be watching the Kendrick performance by myself so that I could pick up anything that he says, all the lyrics, etc. You know, I'm super interested to see what lyrics he was going to say versus what he was going to kind of bleep out in the Not Like Us moment and everything. I'm not worried about that because I'm going to have no idea what he's saying. They might as well turn the sound off when I'm watching it this year. So that's nice.

But in addition to that, though, I will say like, I understand because I've been forced to understand it, There are a lot of people who like music, irregardless of the lyrics. I know a lot of people who love EDM and dance music. There's not even any words in that. No. Stop here. Yes, when it's instrumental,

then it's instrumental for what it is. But when someone's saying shit in a language that you don't fucking understand and you have no idea what the song is about. You literally, you can listen to a bad bunny song And if you don't know any Spanish, you have, this can be about a girl, about a murder, about being trans, about eating your mom's cooking.

You have no fucking idea what it's about. It's a total fucking mystery. It's not the same thing as listen to instrumental music that was designed as instrumental music. But think about the voice as an instrument. You don't necessarily have to understand what the person is saying to appreciate how it sounds. You could appreciate it.

There's a lot of shit I appreciate. but you're being given the biggest fucking stage in America. You see what I'm saying? To an audience that doesn't really appreciate it because they don't know what the fuck you're saying. 15%. I looked it up before I knew the tweet was going to do something. You know, they had it on fucking Big Boy was talking about on the radio

and it was on World Star or whatever else. At least in hip-hop, you were the guy for that take, which I feel like a lot of people were. thinking, but most people, especially older white people, didn't really want to be the one taking all the heat. I don't think it was older white people. I think it's older non-Spanish people. And

younger non-Spanish people. How old are you? I'm 33, and I even agree, I don't think bad money should be foreign at the Super Bowl. You're not white. Like, you know what I mean? You're the same. I just, I don't know the music. We're both non-Spanish speakers, and that's okay. That's okay. 15% of the population speaks Spanish

in America. And then outside America, although there's a third of the NFL audience, only 10% of that audience is Spanish. It's mostly English-speaking foreign countries, like Australia, like the UK, like Ireland, or places like the Netherlands where even though they have a different language, they do speak a lot of English over there, right? So I don't know, man, just to say, I can't appreciate the music because the lyrics are foreign to me, and that's that. But this is why I think it makes sense. Two reasons. why it makes sense. Number one, if you want to talk about

the biggest artist that they can get, it's him because they can't get Taylor Swift, so he makes sense in that sense. Or Adele. Adele was the other one they tried. Right. And in addition to that, I think that international expansion is probably a very big long-term goal for the NFL.

Because they pale in comparison to like all the other top 10 biggest sports. They have the most American audience, which is impressive that it's so big being just for America, but for the most part, other countries, don't care. If they get, you know, I don't know, 10 million people from the Spanish-speaking world that are going to maybe become NFL fans, that's a huge job for them. So I understand

strategically, even though for me, my enjoyment of it would certainly be throttled by the fact that I do not give a fuck about this man. I don't personally think that the NFL really can get that huge worldwide just because what's required to play it. Right. You know, like you need professional pads and shit like that to really play the sport even on a pee-wee level. But if they start watching it, that's great for them in terms of advertising on an international level. Maybe it expands. I get it. There's increased demand.

It might be a long-term play. They're thinking 10, 20 years from now. Maybe everybody's watching the NFL in Brazil. I get it. But they don't speak Spanish in Brazil. They don't? They speak Portuguese. Oh, well.

See what I mean? But I bet they like Bad Bunny more than we do. Probably. Statistically. Spanish and Portuguese are little. little bit similar, but it's still a different language. True, true, true. Like, you can't really get Portuguese, can't really just speak

Portuguese all through Mexico and expect to get by. But if we fast forward 10 years and everybody in Mexico is watching the Super Bowl or consistently watching NFL games, and it doesn't need to be everybody, but some percentage of people, that's a big deal. This is a, this is a ploy in order to

try to expand their audience and potentially pissing off a whole bunch of the current audience. Especially those conservatives. They're damn near threatening to boycott this thing. Yeah, I mean, Trump is saying ice is going to be there. It's like arrested. Bad Bunny fans. Especially a guy

from Puerto Rico, which is, you know, well, you know, but here's the thing. Bad Bunny also canceled his tour in America because of the policies of ice. So there's already sort of a, you know, a friction between him and America and the government actually. Well, Trump, to begin with, and then he's performing at the Super Bowl.

Yeah. I can see Trump pull him. some shit, like not allowing them in the country or something the day of the performance or something. Like, I don't know. Like, the poor Puerto Rico is no longer a colony just for that day. Just for that day, the paperwork is going to be under review.

And, yeah, I don't know. Trump is petty like that. Like I said, I think it's dope because artistically, I appreciate what he does. Right. And I think it's amazing that a Puerto Rican artist can perform on the biggest stage. It just doesn't make sense, you know, in terms of who it is that it's supposed to be for, which is the English-speaking American audience. And you will never see that in a foreign country the other way around.

20 years ago, Nas put an album called Hip-Bop is Dead. And at that time, it felt like, you know, Lil Wayne was kind of the culprit that was being pointed at in terms of like the essence of hip-hop sort of being deteriorated. It's a fact that hip-hop is occupying less spots on the charge. everybody's talking about the labels seem like they've essentially given up on hip hop. I would say maybe at this point the percentage of Vlad TV interviews with rappers is the lowest that it's ever been. I would assume. Well, my biggest interview is with who?

But kind of an exception. I feel like if we go through the whole Vlad feed right now, we're going to be like, damn, there's not a ton of rappers coming through at this point. And from my perspective, yeah, there's a lot less up-and-coming, interesting rappers to interview. I think that right now, because all these eras are all championed by one or more superstars, right? The Jay-Z. Nas era, the Rough Riders era, the Drake era, the Kendrick era, the J-Cole era. But it's always a younger artist, right? It's not like some older artist coming through and getting everyone excited. Like Jay will come in and drop some shit that people will fuck with, but it's not Jay that's going to control the 2020s.

Who is the youngest, I mean, NBA young boys are like the youngest superstar. Cardi. Are they the same age? I think he's 30. Cardi might be 30. Young boys younger for sure. Yeah, young boys are his 20s. But if you go for people between the age of 20 and 30, yeah, it's slim pickings in terms of who's the big superstars at this point.

I mean, so here's what's interesting. right? You got these two artists who are the next generation superstar rappers, and none of them are coming out with mainstream songs. Yep. And that's the difference. It's all just very sort of underground. For their fan base. Just really for their fan base.

Young boy got a million albums out and he doesn't have like a lollipop, like a little Wayne. Remember how that song was just like, okay. Clearly this is a huge hit song. Doesn't seem incentivized to do so. Drake, God's plan. Like you have these big anthems. You know, Jay Cole, role models.

Like, you could keep going on, Kendrick, not like us. Like, there's these big anthems. They're number one on the chart, the album, whatever. All the younger artists are coming out with very niche, just sort of not even necessarily hip-hop, say it's almost like something else in a way and they're just dropping well i mean young boy drops a lot cardy doesn't but none of these songs are number one songs so when you don't have this next generation who can make number one hits they'll make a lot of money they'll they'll have a core fan like a

crazy fan base and they don't really they're not even incentivized to do anything more that's one thing i was thinking watching your interview six nine is that as much as hip-hop really turned on this guy at a certain point. He brought a lot of hip-hop fans in. There's probably a lot of people, especially in Spanish-speaking countries that kind of relate to him, etc., that he was probably their way into paying attention to not just 6-9, but all the other SoundCloud adjacent rappers at the time. And, you know, that's a great thing.

If him or Drake or any of the superstars over the past 10, 20 years didn't exist, that's just less people being exposed to rap and be. becoming overall rap fans. Although I would say that even beyond that, there's just like a decreased interest in hip-hop, generally speaking, it feels like. I think there's only a decreased, you know, interest because there's no number one songs

that are coming out. I mean, the biggest hip-hop thing to come out is Cardi's album, right? So Cardi's album's only $200,000, and it seems like her songs are all over the charts. Cardi's a little bit older though Yeah Right She I wouldn't put her in

I mean how was she like in her 30s I think early 30s but maybe a little Mid 30s Yeah probably mid 30s she got three You know three kids or 32 32 At least two kids Did she had multiple kids were offset

Right I think two kids was offset Was one on the way So three kids I don't know if like the next generation's embracing Cardi as like the biggest I don't know I mean this is all just opinions

but if you don't have this if young boy was dropping number one songs left and right I think you'd have a very different kind of situation like think about how I remember me and Ak were talking about this how when you in the young boy show it was like

90% black maybe 95% male female it wasn't like a sea of white people at all, at all, really. Like, I was one of the few white people, like, literally in the stadium. Yeah, and that almost says something positive or negative because it kind of says a lot when the fan base for, like, the most popular street rapper is not necessarily, like,

extending to the fringes of people outside of his culture. Because, you know, even, like, I've seen a lot of subcultures die. I'm a BMX dude. There was a point where I looked at the vert podium for a contest and realized like, oh, everybody who's meddling in these contests is well into their 30s, that doesn't bode well for the future of this activity when people are just kind of like aging out of it. And I think that, you know, even when I was going to bring my wife to the young boy show before she eventually opted out of it, she said, I don't even know a single song.

And if you rewind the clock 10 years, there was tons of rappers that I probably would have gone to see in concert where she knew all kinds of songs because bad and bougie is the biggest fucking single 10 years ago and she knows all these little pump songs and smoke perp songs and X and Juice World etc.

It's like I've seen subcultures collapse even musically like I watched a documentary the other day about what like thrash and heavy metal was like in the 80s. There was a time when this shit was like some of the biggest music on the charts. Yeah. And people kind of lost interest

and it's still big on a niche level. There's bands that have huge followings, but from a mainstream perspective, you would basically have no idea that heavy metal exists. Well, that could happen to wrap. You got to come,

you got to have the anthems. You got to have the big songs. Like when we think past our lives, like you think of bad and bougie, like that was a huge song. It was just a huge song. It got bigger than hip hop. It got bigger than music.

You saw it in TV and people, you know, there's a whole dialogue around. and then the whole member, does it look like I got left off of Bad Bougy? You know, the viral moment with Joe Bunn and academics. Like, it was a whole thing. NBA young boy doesn't have those types of anthems.

Maybe, maybe he just wrote it and he's about to drop it. I don't know. But at this point, he hasn't. He's so successful with his cult fan base that he almost has no incentive to do that. Cardi doesn't have an anthem like that. Think about that. Cardi has he ever broken to the top 10

has he had a top 10 song ever maybe him in the weekend with the new song nah his song not him featuring not not him doing a verse on someone else's shit his song I want to say top 10 but I know a Magnolia was big Evil Jordan peaked at number two on the Billboard Hot 100 which is surprised

All right okay so there we go evil Jordan is that the Who's on that? Just him? Just him? Yep okay Great song Got to say. Okay, so... How long did it stay on there, though? I doubt very long.

You see what I'm saying? It may have probably when the album dropped. The hype is there. Yeah, it was growing crazy. Also, you could mention the song to all kinds of normies. Nobody knows what the song is. This is for his fans and maybe some hip-hop fans in general, but for the most part, that's for his cult.

Right. I mean, think about the songs that you just see. Like, Taylor Swift is completely dominating the fucking chart right now. The Spotify on my way here, I was going through the chart. Yeah. The first like 15 slots are Taylor Swift. You listen to it? Yeah, some of it.

I love it. A couple of songs I love it. A lot of people hating it. I think it's amazing, yeah. I like Taylor Swift. I appreciate artistically what she's doing. Me too. I'm huge a fan now.

I can't even deny it anymore. Now I'm just nuts over it. I love her now. No, but for example, that's not bots. Like people are really fucking with it. But the thing that is a little weird is just the fact that her fans buy so much vinyl that it really

skews her popularity. I'm talking about the Spotify charts. Right, but I'm just saying that... Nothing to do with vinyl. She did $3 million first week is what she's predicted to do. Drake did $300K. So... $3 million?

Granted she would be way bigger than Drake either way. She goes triple platinum on week one. But the vinyl skews it in her favor massively. She's putting out 10 colors of these things. Okay, I got it. But still, she's dominating the fucking spot. For sure. Yeah.

It's one thing, because that was the one thing I remember how Takashi was getting all these views on his videos that he dropped after he got out of jail, but the charts weren't showing that. That's why I'm like, I think he's just advertising on the YouTube side. It's not organically growing to what it is.

So like a Playboy Cardi, okay, he got to number two because he has a rabid fan base that they want to hear the album, but it doesn't stay at number. Evil Jordan is not an anthem of this year. It came out this year. Early this year? The kids know it, like, I know it. It's there, but

It's not like, it don't sound like the old classic songs that we would consider hits. You see what I'm saying? It's like an underground. But hits in that sense are just such a vanishing thing in general, too, because it's just like we don't listen to the radio. We don't have MTV. Right. But also, everybody that I interviewed this month, as well as all of the No Jumber host,

probably will not even hear one of those Taylor Swift songs. Oh, the rest of the world will. Yeah, but I'm saying like if you, like my girl has said that to me, like, oh, is everybody at work talking about Taylor Swift? I'm like, none of the... Munchy B has no reason to know that Taylor Swift exists.

He is in his own closed information space where he doesn't have to listen to anything that goes outside of gangster rap. Right. Now, I got it, but at the end of the day,

if... Imagine if Playboy Cardi had the type of songs that Taylor has. If he had a bad and bougie. Right. If he had a bad and bougie. But apparently he just don't even give a fuck

because he could be silently working on these types of songs, you know? It don't really matter. I don't know, man. I mean, Swamp is, though, I did an interview with him. It sounds like they're doing exactly what they want to be doing. Yeah.

And a huge hit like that is almost a liability because Shake It Off is the biggest Taylor Swift song ever. And I've seen how her fan base reacts to that song. It's so catchy that everybody likes it. And as a result, it's almost like a negative to her cult fan base. Man, I'm sure she's fucking thrilled. She got Shake It Off. Well, because the whole new album is Shake It Off. The whole album sounds poppy as fuck.

with the album before that was 30 songs of her doing poetry. People like to act like they don't want massive success when really everyone's chasing it in their own way. So this whole thing of too much success. I don't know, man, but at the end of the day, if there is a, imagine a 30 or younger Taylor Swift and hip-hop, it just doesn't exist. Yeah.

It doesn't. You would see more of a mixed crowd at NBA young boy. You see what I say you see Asian people and you see, you know, that type of thing. And I think that he's just killing it and how he's doing it. Yeah. And who's going to tell someone at that point to do something different? Well, you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens, though. I haven't lost open hip-hop at all.

I just feel like if anything, this sort of like downturn, which, I mean, think about SoundCloud rap in 2016, in a large part, that was kind of like a reaction. to the fact that the mainstream rap world had kind of lost a lot of steam in the early 2010s because of the fact that streaming hadn't fully taken over, CDs were done, and that kind of like created a very compelling environment for rap. You had a lot of, you had the ASAP mobs and the action Bronsonsonsonson and the white girl mobs, all these, yeah, I got you. We're going to go take the photo real quick. But I'm just saying, I think if there is a downturn in hip hop, there will ultimately be a reaction to it in which hip hop kind of gets more exciting again. I

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