No Jumper - DJ Vlad on The Rollin 60s Rico, Big U and Bricc, Lil Durk’s Case & More

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm sitting down with the godfather of hip hop content creation on the internet, on YouTube, at the very least, DJ Vlad is in the building. Thank you. How you feeling? I'm good. I'm good. Back on here again. Yeah, we're back.

We back. I always, I have a motto that you probably don't know about and you're probably going to feel like this is kind of glazing-ish. But many times I've found myself returning to this motto, what would Vlad do? Really? I literally think that quite a bit because I feel like so many things that I have maybe, you know, bad decisions I've made, business decisions that haven't necessarily worked out, probably could have been avoided if I had just paid a little bit closer attention to the way that you've run your business over the year. So frequently I have that train of thought. What's an example of this? I did buy this extremely huge building in retrospect.

probably not the best idea or kind of working on potentially offloading it. And when I think about Vlad, I'm like, you know, Vlad is somebody that has managed to keep his overhead extremely low over the years. And I know that we've had that conversation about your New York space that I feel like that maybe didn't work out necessarily the way you wanted to. Yeah, but it's got a lease end date. Okay. At which point, I'll be done with it.

And that is better than buying it, which is what we did. But, you know, a lot of different stuff like that. I feel like so often I just kind of end up being like, okay, you know, Vlad figured out the best route for this business. I mean, you didn't run the whole building purchase idea by me. No. What would you have said? I would have said probably not.

I think with media companies in particular, you really, it's on you to keep the expenses low. And I think that in particular during the pandemic, a lot of us kind of had inflated views of what this business was going to be or was going to turn into. Well, yeah, I think we were making the most amount of money we ever made in that time. That's when I bought my house. I was able to just buy it in cash. Right. So, yeah, we were making a lot of money, and we were spending it in various ways.

And I bought a house, you bought a building, you know, probably went on expensive trips and, you know. Definitely had an expensive month-long honeymoon in Italy and France and whatnot, yeah. You live and learn. At the end of the day, you have an asset that's worth something. So when you sell it, maybe you'll take a lot of money. loss, but it's not going to be a total loss. No, and I mean, you use a space for three years and then you think about what a comparable space, what it cost you over the course of three years.

It's like, oh, well, I could take a significant loss on the building and it would still be a relatively sane business decision. But one of the things I know you're excited about that you've been pushing, and just to put it out there, this is what you did with this master class is something that I previously told the audience that I was going to do and then due to live. laziness and just being focused on other things, never actually did it. Who knows? Maybe I'll end up doing something similar eventually.

But give us the breakdown on what the master class is all about. So the Vlad TV YouTube Masterclass is part of the membership on our YouTube channel. Before that for last about three years or so, we had the $5 membership, which allows you to get the full interview, usually on the first day, if not the first day or the first few days, before it's publicly released, which sometimes takes a month or two. So this is a different tier of that. And for $100 a month, it's a set of exclusive classes that break down everything that I've learned

in terms of building a successful YouTube channel. And over the years, I think in my promo, I said I made over like $30 million, you know, over the course of my YouTube career, which started in 2008. So there's different classes. And it's completely exclusive to this, where the first class is the breakdown of what you should focus on. what you should avoid and kind of the basic elements that Vlad TV used in the very beginning that we still use today in building the channel and potentially not going the wrong direction and waste your time.

There's a whole video about how to book celebrity guests, you know, all the various ways and all the pitfalls and some of the mistakes that we made along the way. There's an episode about the equipment. So there's a $100 setup, which you could do with a cell phone and a digital recorder and a small light. And then there is like a $40,000 setup that's in our New York studio. It breaks it all down. It shows it for the first time. It shows the software that we use, the lighting, the actual cameras and why we use them and so forth. And, you know, kind of that's actually the most popular video right now.

Really? Because that is one of the number one questions that I get is what kind of mics should I buy? Kind of mics. And I do remember that being probably the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around early on was like, oh, I'm going to have to figure out what mics about. And I remember just going to YouTube and typing mics for. podcasting and just watching probably five videos about it and by the time i got done watching you know videos for an hour i felt like i had a pretty good idea of what to order and that took care of it but i mean that is a little bit of a learning curve like by doing that you have to be able to

make some decisions and whatnot so i feel like that that everybody can kind of imagine themselves talking on camera but the the computer set up the camera set up the mics etc that's that's definitely a thing that gives people trouble yeah and there's a whole episode about how money is made on YouTube. So we actually give a, you know, for the first time I actually talk about the money aspect of it. So there's a breakdown on how one particular interview made over $50,000 and why it made that much money and how it could be duplicated. And this is not going to be every video, but this is how you can kind of gear towards videos making more as opposed to less. You know, I just filmed a new episode for this next month, which is just completely focused on demonetize.

videos. You know, and it kind of showed how like, for example, you know, I did like the side-by-side comparison where there's an interview I did with Sarah Jay, the Morningstar, like way back in the day. This is like one of the most viewed videos on our site. It's at almost like 7 million views. Wow. Okay.

And in the past year alone, it made, well, it got 100,000 views just passively. Yeah. This is like a 10-year-old video. Which people don't maybe wrap their heads around that, but that's a very important thing to a business like ours that you create this catalog of videos and maybe 90% of the videos after the first year are kind of making a minimal amount, but you have some that just really thrive in the algorithm and that can continue to make money over the years. Right.

But the video talks about Sarah Jay's perfect penis size in terms of the man she wants, right? And we try to title it the best we could, you know, but ultimately the video got demonetized. and with 100,000 views, how much money do you do this video made? Oh, if it's demonetized, almost nothing, 20 bucks, 100 bucks, I don't know. Less than $4. Yeah, okay, there you go. Less than $4.

Then I showed another video, like, for example, with Meno that we just did, that earned 100,000 views, and that made like $400-something dollars, right? So you think about more than a 99% decline when something is demonetized. Yes, very important. So we talk about the various ways we try to keep videos monetizing. There's also, at the very end, there's actually like a secret, like, method that YouTube does really tell you about. Where you can go do the second review and everything.

You've told me about that. I haven't actually attempted it on my own, but when you say that that's involved in the class, I'm like, oh, well, that's a situation where it would definitely be worth it for me to sign up. So it's like, oh, it's $100. But it's like, if I had known about the second review, I probably would have. made an extra million dollars over the course of my YouTube career. Like, it's that important. Like, I think about how many videos got millions of views and were demonetized and made 99% less than what they were supposed to make. But when you go in, you basically have to like cut out chunks of the video to get it monetized for the most part, right? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's a very,

it's a touch and go kind of thing. There's really, you know, because people say, well, if there's swearing in it, it'll get to monetize. But we have thousands of videos with swearing in it that's fully monocat. And you don't edit the swearing out, which I find very strange because we have to do a lot of that. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. Like, we only started to do it if, like, every video in a particular, like,

interview starts getting flagged. Like with Tony Yale, it was like everything was getting flags. We started just cutting out swear words. To be fair, he's somebody, and a lot of times this is what it does it, is if you say the N-word eight times in a row, or if you say the F-word 10 times in the course of a minute, that's what's going to get it.

It's not, I think. So it's when it's a flurry of profanity because typically i've just had a lot of people point that out like oh i had to go into this video and there's this one clip where he says the n-word eight times in a row and that just that just nails it so yeah i mean that's something that i should be doing but it also kind of pains me to imagine going back to some of my classic interviews something like the xxxenstantian interview which over the years has been monetized demonetized like it just oh goes up and down it just comes and goes and right now it's it's demonetized but there was a long time where that thing was like literally making

10 grand a year still after all these years. Now it's back down to like maybe 100 bucks a couple hundred bucks a year or whatever. If I could fix that would be glorious but if it involves like chopping out a part of an interview that was very important to me that might be a difficult decision. That's the balancing

action. Do you want to butcher the video and make money or leave it as is and not make money but by butchering it you can take away from what makes it what it is? So it's Yeah, it's one of those things. Yeah, no, definitely.

That alone right there, I'm going to have to sign up for that. Yeah, we'll go to YouTube.com slash flat TV, slash join and choose the YouTube masterclass option. And I'll also start going live. So, for example, this Saturday I'm going live just for the master class tier and people actually be able to jump on and ask these specific questions. And I'm actually going to stay on until every person's question is answered. That's one-on-one.

And that'll be content just for that channel. And then along with the actual class, every month we're going to release a exclusive interview of a successful YouTuber with a breakdown about how they actually did it. So this first month was academics. He broke down his channel and how he's made

what his biggest interview actually made and why it made that and kind of how he built it all up. But we got a lot of stuff. So like for example Trench's News. He breaks down how he makes over $100,000 a year and doesn't even show his face.

Think about that You know Turning a negative into a positive Everyone started saying He cooperated whatever So he couldn't show his face And then not showing his face He now is making six figures

Out of his house Right It's pretty amazing if you ask me No yeah It's very impressive Especially when you see people Like you know You look at us

It's kind of like we've been in business For a while We're used to the idea But I still Am kind of in love with that story Of somebody going from Having to work A shitty job full time

Or having to do something that they don't like doing with their time and then being able to replace that with something that makes them that they're passionate about that they've got a real fan base for and everything. Yeah, I mean, there's an episode with Terrence Gangster Williams, which we may even release next. But you got to understand,

he did 27 years for 40 murders. Yeah. Right? So he gets out, and he's on probation, I believe, and he's working at Tyson Chicken Plant in Dallas, Texas, hosing down dead chickens and blood and whatever else. But it's cool. It's like, oh, you know, he's working his job.

Anything's better than sitting in prison, yeah. Right? But then we do our first interview, and the interview takes off. So he says, hey, let me try it myself. So he starts doing, you know, YouTube videos in his apartment. After about a year, he's making six digits. He goes to his parole officer, shows him the bank statements. He's like, yep, go ahead and quit.

Go ahead and quit your chicken job. That's dope. And then now he actually sent me, and we're going to include this, he sent me a piece of paper. He's made over 300,000 off YouTube, just sitting in front of a computer talking. And this is not, I mean, yes, he's got a famous brother, but lots of people have famous siblings. He actually, from the very bottom, built up a six-digit a year, YouTube business, being a convicted felon. and having a limited amount of jobs that he could get. Exactly, yeah.

So imagine not having to take these jobs that most of the rest of society doesn't want to do and being able to be your own boss doing content that you like to make anyways. For sure. Like that to me is dope. And that is sort of the purpose of the Vlad TV YouTube Masterclass is to show people that they could do it to. 100%. My last question about that is how heartened are you? buy the sign-ups?

Is it something that you are finding a lot of interest in, or is it a little bit slow? A little bit slow. Okay. But that's expected because it's $100 sell. Yeah. Right? You know, so we're like in the double digits right now. Okay.

I'm not going to lie and say we're, you know, but this, I mean, you've got to think these are $100 sign-ups. Yeah. Right. So even a hundred sign-ups is significant. Yeah. You know, you're talking about that's 10,000 a month before YouTube takes this cut. So I understand that every single.

sign-up you have to really fight for. And then you've got to keep them coming back. So, yeah, this is why I'm saying, like, right now in the early stages, when I'm going on live, I'll be able to answer everyone's questions one-on-one. Yeah. So you've got a, you know, and I think what makes this different is that people are like, oh, well, you can get this free on the internet. You can get, you know, there's lots of YouTube channels where they talk about the same

thing or something similar for free. Well, this is not coming from very successful YouTubers. Yeah. This is coming from a guy that's got. 50,000 followers. It's scraping by. And the whole thing about it to me is it's like you need to invest in yourself if you want to be successful in anything.

Yeah. So could you cobble together probably a lot of the information from your class if you were to just really pry through a million different interviews and do all the Googling, et cetera? Sure, maybe. But like for me, I've always felt like if I've got some skin in the game, I'm a lot more likely to take it serious, you know, in regards to like, if I, want to get in shape when I got a personal trainer I feel like that was the number one thing that

would give me accountability in terms of getting in shape I'm spending actual money on this that's going to keep me from just being a fat ass and just letting me go you know so I feel like 100 bucks a month yes it sounds a little bit prohibitive but realistically you know you're spending $200 on sneakers and shit so I feel like that's uh if somebody does that they're they're definitely uh putting themselves in a position to succeed I think when I thought about it I thought long and hard about it and I think a $100 was kind of what I ended up at as being like an ideal price point. Well, I mean, we want people that really are serious about it, right? I mean, if you put in $100 and there's something that saves you $1,000 a month for the next five years.

This is why I focus on the money aspect of it. It's not just like, believe in yourself, find something that you really love. Like, it's not a bunch of that bullshit. It's like, yo, like here's a... actually how you salvage. This is how you could go from $1,000 to a video to $1 to the same video. And this is this is what you have to focus on if you're turning this into a business. Because look, you know, and I've seen, I've seen people like, you know, you have like IG models and stuff like that that go on YouTube, but all this stuff gets demonetized. Sometimes it's not even,

they don't even understand why. Yeah. But it's easy to get discouraged and say, okay, forget it. This is not, for me, I'll go back to Onlyfans. But, you know, but there is a real business there that they just haven't figured out how to use yet. Definitely. I mean, I feel like one of my chief complaints about so many of the people that me and you have influenced over the years in terms of content creation is that so many of them seem like they come to the conclusion that the best way to make money on YouTube is to just go live for hours and hours and hours at a time. And there's something to it because you get donations from people. You do make a little bit of money, et cetera. But when I look at my content, I look at your content and why we've been successful,

I think so much of it comes down to the fact that when we create shit, it's very focused. It's like if you see a five-minute clip on Vlad, everybody knows that you're not having your time wasted. Vlad is doing the best job that he can to get to the thing that it says in the title. And that's just one thing that I find kind of disheartening when I look at other people in the space. Or I'm just like, you guys are just bullshitting on live all day. Like you got nothing to do. And I feel like that to me says that you haven't really taken in the lessons of dealing with people like me or you or ACC, where everything we put out feels like it has purpose and meaning. And we're trying to build and cultivate a fan base by being respectful of their time and their interests.

Well, yeah. I mean, if you look at 2008 Vlad TV and 2025 Vlad TV, it's pretty similar. We're interviewing the same types of people. We're asking the same types of questions. We're chopping it up the same type of way. We're still dropping daily content. We're still pushing the envelope and, you know, not doing the real just foofy type interviews. And, yeah, I mean, over time, we've done different types of people.

Now we do more athletes and we do more gangsters and stuff like that. But overall, it's very similar. Because that's one thing I notice with Vlad TB is that, On one hand, it feels like you guys have gone in a little bit more of a highbrow direction where you have the Alan Dershowitz's and you get, you know, classic athletes and stuff like that. Obviously, the sort of real world crime stuff, like stuff that aimed at a bit of a more adult audience. But at the same time, I also see you kind of in some ways acknowledging, I think, that so much of what's popular on the internet really are. It really is these sort of like low level personalities that are like damn near like fresh up off the block.

When I see you interviewing FBG butter, I'm like, oh, I thought that Vlad wouldn't have necessarily been interested in interviewing somebody like him. But I feel like you've kind of realized to a certain extent that if you want to continue to cover hip hop, that you kind of need to be willing to sort of lower your standards in a way and be willing to deal with people that are not necessarily the big names, which is something. that you've been doing for a long time. Obviously, you've always known that you could get the best version of the story through the person that was near the story but isn't necessarily the superstar. But what's your perspective on doing sort of like smaller name guess and whatnot? I mean, our biggest interviews came from these names that most people don't know. Like Michael Franzis wasn't all that known when I interviewed him.

Yeah, I think he had maybe done Patrick by David before, but that was it. I don't think he did any of the interviews now he has like a really known podcast and he does like Andrew Tate and you know Mike Tyson and all these people but back then yeah right he was just a mob guy that a couple people had heard of mob James his first real interview

nobody's heard of mob James that like five million views and so forth so we always figured that like if you just get a really amazing story doesn't matter who it comes from but the story has to be amazing now you can get a big name and have a really lame interview and it won't really react you know what I'm saying like

you know I remember my last rich the kid interview he's just very low energy worn a mask the whole time and it was like he has a real career and there are really interesting things about what he's done but he's presenting it in such a low energy monotone kind of I don't really want to be here kind of you know my manager made become kind of manner. Right, which is the worst. It's not going to do well. It doesn't matter. And this is a guy who has songs with Kendrick Lamar and, you know, pretty much everybody.

And he's somebody who I feel like he, when I look at his interviews, because academics had him on recently. And I think after 24 hours, I went, I went to look at it and it had like 10,000 views. And I was just thinking, like, risk the kid is way too well known to be getting 10,000 views and 24 hours on an interview. But I feel like through doing a lot of shitty podcast appearances, he comes. kind of lowered the level of interest where people are expecting something that's not terribly enjoyable because he had that bad interview on yours. His original no jumper interview was

objectively pretty bad. I think academics first interview that he ever did when he first started doing podcasts. He walked out, right? Yeah, that was a rich kid one. I think that was kind of not that thrilling to the audience. I mean, a big thing in hip-hop is just that there was a time where it felt like the audience was not as astute. But now, man, like, they know what they want. They know what they're interested in. There's a flood of content for them to pick from it in a given time. And if you're going to put somebody on your platform,

it's got to actually be interesting. It has to be packaged in a way where they're going to want to see it. The hip-hop audience, you've got to give them credit. They're not fucking around. They want to see stuff that's actually interesting. And if they get the hint that it's not, they're going to tune out quickly. Yeah. I mean, look, everyone's doing a podcast now. Yes.

Like, Travis Kelsey doesn't he have a podcast? Yes, which is so crazy to think that he's married to the most famous woman in the world, or not married, but dating. And he's out here just doing a podcast. I would assume somebody on her team maybe checks out the episodes before they come out, or at least he's very aware of what he's saying on there. But, yeah, I mean, he's got a podcast. And even like, that's the sports world, but they have.

the same problem that we kind of have in hip hop, which is like, me and you are sort of random participants in the culture, but now you can go watch podcasts from people who are like the biggest names in the culture, the Camerons and whatnot. Yeah, I mean, Paul George, who's actively one of the big NBA players, had a podcast. So, you know, it's like you see these rappers, like Schoolboy Q, who are doing a promo run and they go do Paul George. They don't do it. They don't do Vlad TV or no jumper, because we have to compete against Paul George. I mean,

Q is probably a fan of this guy on the court. So yeah, he's, okay, yeah, sure, I'll go chop it up with him. That sounds like fun. You know, that doesn't sound like work. You know,

so it's like, we have to compete against that. The Shannon Sharps in the world. The Shannon Sharps in the world. Everyone has a podcast now. And, you know, that's cool. I'm not, I'm not mad at that,

but I have to understand that, But with us, there's always been the gatekeepers and the blocking and everything else like that. Like, I don't remember the last time I've worked for the record label to book one of their artists. You know, we, I think we're generally disliked by the PR departments and record labels. You know, I like the famous back and forth with the Warner Brothers PR person at one point. So I've always felt like I had to figure out different ways to get the views and the audience. and this is why the regular guests became a thing. This is why the gangster episodes became a thing.

I was doing porn stars back in the day. It was like, how do I get the views without having to go through the people? Because a lot of times, like, you talk to people like, Moree, like who I just interviewed, right? And I just DMed him and he hit me back. And I remember I told him, like, when he was first buzzing, we reach out and we were turned down by his management. And he's like, I was never even told him. about it. I would have totally did it. I've been a huge glad TV fan since I was a kid.

I would have totally did it. But I was never told. Yeah. You know, same thing with sweetie. You know, I mean, like we were blocked by Warner Brothers. I remember I made a fuss on Twitter and she responded. She was like, I was never told about doing your interview. I'm a fan. I was just watching your snoop video. She's like posted from her phone. Like,

and this is the type of bullshit I got to deal with. Yeah. No, facts. But I I think part of it too is that some artists look at us as a bit of a liability because they consider us to be too well researched, too, you know, knowledgeable about what they might have going on. And then there are things that stem from that, whereas, like, if they go on Shannon Sharp, they know it's, I don't want to say it's going to be a total softball interview, but a lot of

the stuff, you know, Shannon Sharp doesn't know who your ops are. Realistically, Vlad and Adam are going to do enough research that we figure out who you beef with. And if we don't talk about it, it's because we artfully decided. not to talk about it. And for a lot of these dudes, they don't really want to do an interview that's going to have that level of introspection into their lives and careers.

And it kind of can fuck up relationships too. I had a cool... I interviewed Lil Durk in 2018. Me and you both have done content with him, had a cool relationship, and then it fell apart at a certain point. But why did your relationship pop up? I feel like we just didn't talk

after we did the interview in 2018. Keep in mind his career was not necessarily in, like, the hottest place at that time. And then I feel like... we just interviewed a bunch of people who either were his direct ops or just maybe had things to say about him that weren't the best, you know, doing the weekly podcast where we just talk about all the different drama and everything that people have going on. I feel like he probably at a certain point began to feel like, you know, why would I go on this podcast if they're interviewing people that I specifically don't get along with? And not just big names that he doesn't get along with, but just whoever. Like, you know, we've done such deep content into Chicago that we're interviewing people that realistically probably don't have a ton going for them aside from, you know, beefing with bigger name rappers in Chicago.

And I feel like that can kind of close doors on you. But I guess my overall question is when you look at the position that Dirk is in now, I feel like me and you are both people that had cool relationships with them. And then the relationship fell apart over things that we consider kind of petty. And especially when I look at why you guys fell apart, which for the audience, if you don't know, Vlad accidentally included a clip of Dirk talking about the fact that he was about to have a baby in an episode. He told you to edit it out.

You forgot to edit it out or forgot to tell your editor to edit. Your editor forgot to take it out. Right. We told him to edit out. And then they asked, we ended out part of it, but they wanted more edited out. Right. Oh, okay.

And by the time we got to the rest of it, they felt it took us too long. But that to me was sort of silly. because it's like we've been around each other. We've had conversations off camera. You know I have no bad intentions for you. Right. And to me that's just some big-headed superstar rapper shit.

I'm a beep with you for 10 years over the fact that your editor forgot to take out an extra 15 seconds of the interview or whatever. And it was about an upcoming baby. It wasn't even about like, oh, yeah, I'm this is a, you know, I'm dissing my ops dead grandmother. Like, and I really needed it out. Right. It's not life or death. whatever. It's like, all right, the baby announcement came a little too soon, but you know that's not

what we're even known for. We're not like shade room that's doing, like our audience doesn't care about baby. Yeah, our audience. Yeah, exactly. That's not really our thing anyway. That's not the thing that's going to go viral. On two different songs, he's like, f***ad. Yeah. Just like really on two album songs, you got to say flat

over that. Like, come on, man. Like, you're letting your fame kind of cloud your judgment. Like, I'm not your op. I've never said any about you at all derogatory ever right you know what I'm saying even with the flads I still didn't say it you would think at one point be like I you know actually now this guy's cool this guy was actually looking out for me when no one else was right

was giving me a platform when I couldn't get a play he used to tweet me so I would make articles on his tweets right you see what I'm saying like to go from that to Vlad on two songs to out like I'm not even talking about freestyle like actual album songs yeah was kind of just like, all right, whatever. Yeah, and it's, it's just kind of bizarre to see that because it's like there's a time in your career where you're not doing so hot and you want to do interviews, you want to get blog posts, you want to get content, and then all of a sudden you feel like you're on top of the world.

And so you feel like you don't need anybody. You have your pick of who you want to do interviews with. Cool. I totally get it. But now you're in a situation that is not so admirable that I'm sure you're not so terribly happy with. But do you feel like you've, people have kind of accused you of this of being a little bit too gleeful or at least not upset about discussing Dirk's current predicament.

Well, but that's not about Dirk saying, well, that's always been whatever. That's just his behavior in general. You're kind of disappointed by some of the decisions he made. I just felt that once I saw the story of Cuando Rondo's cousin getting killed and his alleged involvement in it, I was just disgusted by it. It's not, oh, I'm so glad he's in jail. I hope he's there forever. No, I don't wish that.

Like at the other day, if he gets out tomorrow, that'd be fine. And in fact, if they proved that he had nothing to do with it, then I'll say, okay, well, my bad. Yeah. But at the end of the day, what the feds are alleging and with someone who I'm cool with, I've always had a good relationship with Cuando. I actually went down to Savannah, you know,

interviewed him in person. This is not our first interview. We talked about sort of just the overall situation with Cuando being the victim in this whole, whole situation and to have a murder occur right in front of him where this is his actual cousin and the trauma involved in it like why do people think that's a strange reaction I understand you like his music and I know that clouds a lot of people's judgment it's like I like his music so it's okay that he kills people, associates.

with a rapper I don't like, but that's not really how you're supposed to be as a human being. Right. Right? Like if you really paid a group of men to go kill somebody in the process, they kill the wrong person, that's not celebrated. You see what I'm saying?

I'm not being gleeful. I'm just saying, if he's involved in that, that's disgusting behavior. And it shouldn't be allowed in society. You shouldn't be allowed just because you have a bunch of money and a bunch of crazy people around they're willing to throw away their lives to go kill people that you have a problem with. And at one point, what I said was in these interviews was,

when does little Dirk grow up and say, you know, King Vaughn was my friend? He was, was he signed to OTF? There was some sort of business, something going on. People, all, everybody thought that he was signed to Dirk. In his passing, multiple people have reported on the fact that. that he basically never signed the paperwork. There was people acknowledging that maybe there was a little bit of tension between Dirk and Vaughn about not signing the paperwork. People said that Dirk was definitely planning or Vaughn was planning on taking care of Dirk, you know, one way or another, like that he was going to make it make sense to him with money and everything.

But word on the streets is that he never actually signed a deal to him. Okay. So whether you sign or not, clearly this, you know, this business relationship has. was mutually beneficial to everyone. You know, Dirk was a big rapper, and he was kind of co-signing, you know, Vaughn or Vaughn was the hottest gangster rapper at the time, and Dirk was feeding off of that as well. You see what I'm saying?

I know they had some sort of situation where a shooting occurred or something, something. I understand this is your friend, this is somebody doing business with, but at one point, like, you know the people around you. Like, you know you have the crazy friend, and if he ends up dying, doing something crazy, you're going like, well, you know, it's sad that he died, but I'm not really

that surprised. I guess like for me and you as outsiders on this whole kind of thing, given that, you know, when me and you have beef with the people, we don't, you know, retaliate with violence. No. But it feels like there's a lot of people that I'm cool with people on both sides of a conflict. And I know that murders or violence have taken place on both sides of it. And I just kind of choose to put my hands up and say, like, listen, I'm not going to really cast judgment on you guys. I remember I had like a fairly profound moment when I went to Draco's funeral. It's like the saddest thing in the world.

And I just found myself so overcome with just that feeling of like, this is the worst thing I could ever imagine that I'm sitting in this room with all these loved ones who are crying because people hated them so much that they chose to take him out of this world. And then I had to check myself because in large, part the reason why Draco got killed was because of his alleged involvement or at least the fact that he was there when another guy got killed and that really was like the thing that started this whole tip for tat that basically made people want to kill him and I have no idea still to this day like what Draco's actual involvement was in the passing of Red Bull at the pajama party that night. You don't think it was over the Ingle Weird song? That all stemmed from this situation, you know?

So, like, that, that basically was the, the original event that sort of sparked up the war between a lot of bloods in L.A. and Draco and whatever. And I don't know exactly what played out at the music festival when he lost his life, et cetera. But I also just like, I can't really bring myself to say, you know what? Look this side. I don't with them because they did something to my friend, knowing that in many ways this was a back and forth and that disrespect was done from both sides. and violent acts were done from both sides. And, you know, it's like for me, I just kind of have to, the same thing with all these BDs and GDs.

It's like, you know, I can interview them and have conversations with them about stuff, but I just choose to be Switzerland and just stay out of, you know, picking a dog in the fight. Yeah, I mean, look, Dirk knew who Vaughn was. Vaughn clearly bragged about all the violence that he was involved with,

whether he was caught or not. So you know who you're dealing with. he went and initiated a physical attack against someone who really didn't even really do anything. And in the process, he underestimated the level of violence that they were going to retaliate with. He just thought it was going to be a fist fight. It didn't end up being a fist fight.

But whose fault was it? Who ultimately, you know, little Tim walked away from it, as stand your ground. Yeah. The legal system has told everyone that this was a justifiable self-defense situation. But Dirk allegedly did not want to accept that. Yeah. He wanted to take it one step further and put his own freedom and the freedom of these five other guys involved in this insanity on the line.

So, I don't know, so he could feel better about himself. that you somehow, you know, slid for Vaughn. I mean, it's just, like I said, like there's no glee in it, but it's just like, let's all be adults at one point.

Like, this is not, this is not behavior that society could really tolerate. You can't just sit there and put hits on people in retaliation. Hmm.

You know, like you just can't do that. You can't have a society like that. Yeah. No. You can't. You cannot. You can have people running around

that are doing this and getting away with it. Mm. And I mean, the remnants of this kind of behavior, we see it all the time where, yeah, FBG Doug got killed. And five O'Block members went down for six, I think, actually. And it's like, you know, Dirk gets his revenge, if it happened, as they say, gets his revenge on Cuando's friend. They probably wanted Cuando, but they didn't get them. They got somebody else.

And it's like, you know, probably five. or six or however many OTF members are going to go down for that. It's just like this very rarely works out in a way that is beneficial. That when it comes to high profile shit. Yeah. Yeah, you can kill Samoomel's guy in an alley

and if there's no cameras, you might get away. But you look at the Drakeo thing, I mean, it seems like the guys who did that are going to skate forever. Well, but that was a very unique situation. Very, yeah. That was in the back of a backstage at a concert with literally hundreds of people around.

It's hard to figure out. Yeah. Who did what? It's a huge scuffle. It was a brawl, right? Dozens and dozens and dozens, maybe like a hundred people conspiring, really. And the fact that none of them have managed to yap to the police or whatever,

I do believe that as time goes by that we'll probably see a day in which it's documented how all that went down. Someone's going to need to get out of jail free car. Yeah. Someone's going to get caught up beating up their girlfriend. Yeah. And, you know, they're going to have priors. The police are going to be like, well, you know, you're facing 20 years. They're going to say, well, you know,

something, I got something for you. Remember that rapper Draco got killed back in, you know, 2000? Might have already happened, and they might just be sitting on it and trying to build the case since these things don't happen overnight. Too many people were involved. And I think that if you do that,

it's not your first time of the rodeo. Yeah. You've been involved in this type of bullshit and you've probably been caught. You're probably in the system already. And, you know, I just don't feel people who stab someone to death go on and go back to a corporate job and live a quiet life. You know, never get in trouble again. You know, I feel like...

Probably some veteran gangbangers. Yeah, it's like if you stab someone to death, you're probably going to be going through other legal challenges through the course of your life. And like I said, you might want to get that, you know, they get out of jail, free card is always there. Yeah. You know, I'm sure a group of people after this happened,

got together and had a conversation about it. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's not like it just came together. They might have been smart enough to not do it in their group chats. But for sure they were standing around talking about how that night was going to go down. Well, man, listen, you'd be... I remember Quincy Jones' son QD3 told me something interesting ones. He said that...

It's always stuck with me. He said, it's a lot easier to push in a positive direction than a negative one. It's just easier in life, no matter what it is. If you're trying to do something good, if you're trying to build... the real business, you know, you pay people on time, you have a product you believe in and so forth, it's easier to keep motivating yourself day after day to keep doing this and see this light of the tunnel. But if your, you know, job consists of trying to tear somebody down and you're trying to hide the fact that you're doing it and, you know, like you're doing this,

you know, you're paranoid of, you know, being able, you know, someone finding out that you're doing it. You're constantly trying to hide your actions and you're scared. Everyone's spying on you. Like, that's a hard way to function. Yeah. That's a hard way to wake up every day and get through that day. Definitely. So that's what I've always go with, man.

You know, just do something positive, whatever that may be. And that will work out better over time. It's just such an honor culture in the hood. You know, it's just like there's so much pride involved and people have such a hard time walking away from conflicts as the loser. And, you know, an example that I saw recently that really, like, stood out to me is a Noah Scurry, aka Joker OTV, who's basically the kid from Philly who, Gilly says that he killed his son. And so I watched Trappler Ross's documentary about it.

And it really paints the picture of, like, you know, how do you go from someone who's doing amazing in school? You're a basketball prodigy. And how do you just start killing people on the side? And you realize that, like, as a teenager, a lot of. of his friends were just being wiped off the face of the earth by their ops by the other neighborhoods that they were warring with. And, you know, he might have lost. I forget what the number was six, seven, eight friends before he basically had enough and decided that he was going to take

over or take on this joker personality or whatever and that he was going to start getting get back. And on one hand, young kid, so kind of hard to pass judgment on him the same way that you with somebody like Dirk who's, you know, 30 making these kind of decisions. But at the same time, it's like putting myself into the position of a young man who feels like he's, not him, but his neighborhood and his friend group are being so aggressively tormented by these people who just want to kill all your loved ones seemingly. It's not that surprising that at some point he decided to take justice into his own hands. And at the same time, you know, hard to be, that sad when you realize how he lost his life,

considering that the other side just basically gave him a dose of his own medicine. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a sad story. Me and Tropo Ross had lunch the other day. He told me that. Yeah, he lives out here now in L.A. Yes. And, yeah, it's a crazy story.

It's a sad story. And, you know, at 51, you see these young men, in their teens sometimes in the early 20s they just you just they didn't get to experience a lot of shit they just missed out like like you you know

it's easy to oh Vlad is old Adam's old whatever else but like there's a lot of dope shit that happens in your 30s in your 40s now I'm seeing my 50s like like you miss out on all that just because

you're not really thinking about the future yeah Once you start killing people, it's like, okay, you're basically accepting that you're either going to die or go to prison for the rest of your life. Yeah, but also our culture just there's so many popular rappers that the internet believes, we don't know, but the internet believes that they're murderers. And that's clearly a big part of their popularity and the fact that the- Who are the popular rappers who caught bodies? I mean, I don't even want to name them because they're people I'm cool with and they probably wouldn't appreciate it, but I just interviewed Q-50 the other day.

Who? Q50, who's bloodhound little Jeff's friend. The internet believes, I would never say such a thing, but the internet believes that he's killed a bunch of people. Clearly, it plays into his popularity. Okay. I mean, there's Gucci made. For sure.

He raps about it. Your man, Boosie is alleged to have been involved in murder for hire, and he beat it, but there's definitely people out there that have made in-depth documentaries accusing him of actually having done it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he was on trial. Rapp's first serial killer, I believe, was the controversial Swamp Stories title of a documentary about him that I don't think he was very happy about. Yeah, well, he took the trial and he beat it.

And props to him for that. And I don't think he brags about it or anything else like that. Who else? Well, some of the young thug was basically bragging about getting people knocked off in his music for many years there. Dirk, same thing. He's basically telling you all the stuff that he ended up getting picked up for. obviously King Vaughn was super popular and a big chunk of the audience

didn't really know about that. King Vaughan definitely was sitting there eating cereal during his interviews, aka serial killer, you know, doing shit like that. And there's I could think of a whole bunch more and some of them are not even like huge names, but whatever popularity they do have

from my perspective is clearly kind of rooted in the fact that the audience believes that they're the real deal. Well, listen, I interviewed Don Corleone Blanco, who was the youngest son of Brazil de Blanco, the queen of cocaine. And I remember asking him because, I mean, his mom was killed at one point. Two of his brothers, I think, were killed, you know, violently.

And I remember asking him, I said, you know, at a certain point, like, all, the whole family had millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. Why not just say, this is enough? taking this money, leaving the business, I'm done with it, whatever else. I'm going to retire, live a nice life, maybe start some legitimate business and so forth. You said, killing brings killing. Start killing people.

You can't really expect it to be forgotten and water under the bridge. So you're always in a situation where you have to protect yourself, which means you still have to stay in the business and keep making money so you can't protect yourself. You know, otherwise you let your defenses down. And, you know, I think one of his brothers got killed coming back to the gym or something. Like it was like really just like all out war.

So yeah, man, like once you start going down that road, that's why I've always been like, man, it ain't that serious. Yeah. Whatever's going on. I don't want to kill nobody. I don't even want to do nothing violent. It's not that serious. No, definitely.

I mean, you. You and I are both at a point in our life where I think, you know, we're so rooted in youthful subcultures in large part. But then we're getting older and it feels like, oh, I can kind of see the latter part of my life. I can kind of imagine what retirement might be like. And I got a firsthand dose of this other day because my kid is in a dance class. And I had to go to a little dance performance that they did at an old folks home. I pull up to the old folks home and it's, you know, a whole troupe. of like 24 to 6 year old girls that are just dancing for a bunch of old folks because it's

an Irish dance class and this was on St. Patrick's Day. So they do the performance for all these old people and I'm just looking at the old people and I said to my girl, I'm like, you know, yeah, I could see myself in here one day. She goes, don't say that. Like, you know, you're going to be all right. You got a lot of people around you that love me. I'm like, well, you know, when I'm 75, a lot of the people that love me aren't going to be around anymore. And it's like, you know, this might not be best case scenario of me ending up in an old folks home, but I can picture it. And it's very weird for me as somebody who's always just been focused in

on what is essentially a much younger culture to see that like, you know, this is what being a very old man might be like. I have to at least sort of prepare for this mentally. Yeah, I mean, my dad, when he got Parkinson's, I had to put him in the home. Sorry to hear that. just because he couldn't take care of himself anymore.

My mom, my mom, or sort of had a weird thing going on. So we just said, okay, let's just find a good home for him, but then the park is got worse. Sorry. So, yeah, I mean, it happens. It happens. I'm hoping I'll have enough money where I don't have to go to a home where I can just have, I'll be my own home and have people take care of me. But, yeah, most people don't have that.

Definitely. Okay, so obviously the, the, the, gigantic news that I probably should have started with is the fact that the Roland 60 Rico came down on a lot of people that we well only a couple of people that we have relationships with but you and I obviously both friends with Brick Baby. You did the first ever Big You interview. I do believe that was a really really big deal when it first happened. I guess I'll just start with this question is that when you did that interview with Big you were you completely under the impression that he was

done with his street life and that he had changed his life because I definitely thought that at a certain point and then at a certain point started to hear things that kind of led me to believe in particular loose cannon coming on here and talking about how he was basically the muscle for Big U robin weed dispensaries and strip clubs and whatnot which ended up being in this indictment. What was your impression doing that Big U interview and how does the RICO make you feel looking at it?

I mean, I was sad because, you know, I had heard, you know, stories about Big You, but when I sat down with him, he seemed like, you know, older guy. You know, he had kids. He was focusing on football, focusing on legitimate businesses, focusing on, you know, gang intervention and so forth. Since that time, me and him have, you know, maintained our relationship. We talk a few times a year. I've never seen anything remotely illegal

based on anything I've ever seen or any conversations we've had on or off camera. I was shocked. I was in the impression that anything was going on on any level. And at the end of the day, he's still innocent of proven guilty. You know, I remember he made that video before he turned himself in and basically said, yeah, a bunch of this internet shit

now got me caught up in this RICO and, you know, I got to turn myself in. And it's fucked up. You know, Brick Baby has become a regular guest on my show. I just saw him a few days ago at the Beverly Center. Yeah. Just randomly ran into him. Oh, really?

Just randomly ran into him. Like last week, like, oh, shit, what's up? You know, went up, gave him a hug. He had some people with him. I was like, oh, shit, what's up? I'm sure he had no idea what was about to happen. No. In a couple of days.

So, yeah, I was fucked up over that, too. The other people in the indictment, I don't, I don't know. Yeah. But it's a federal RICO, right? Yeah. Which is ugly. You know, this is just ugly. It's, yeah, I don't, you know, I had TMZ interviewed me earlier today.

Oh, about it. And, yeah, man, I mean, I'm not, me and me and big you are cool. And I've always maintained that. And, you know, we've had multiple conversations about regular business shit. You know, if those conversations were recorded, no problem. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Because it's always been just regular, you know, straightforward conversations. And that's how I feel when people are saying like, oh, Adam 22 is cooperating or Adam 22 is probably working with the feds or whatever. It's like I would gladly take every conversation that Brigg baby and I had ever had,

let's say he was wearing a wire. And that audio can be released to the world. And sure, there might be a little bit of stuff that would be a little shocking to people. But for the most part, this guy never told me where the bodies were hidden if that you know to use a uncomfortable metaphor or anything like most of these gangster dudes do not look at me or you

as the shoulder to cry on about the worst things that they've ever done in their life for the most part that's just not really the kind of conversations that we're typically having with them in particular because if you tell Vlad that you killed somebody Vlad's probably going to tell you that was a bad idea if you tell Vlad you think You're thinking about killing something. He's probably going to say, like, listen, like, you sure you want to do that? It's probably not a good idea, et cetera.

It's like, why would they, they've got plenty of homies that they could talk to this kind of thing through with. And I just like, you know, people think that we're maybe a little bit more involved in some of these dudes lives than we actually are. I've never been a gang member on any level. I've never been, I never wanted to be a blood or a crib or anything else like that. I've always kept these relationships, business or just friendly. You know what I mean? Like, I just always, you know,

I like telling the story because me and Wack were beefing for like 10 years, right? Not beefing, acting like we're trying to get at each other, but I knew that Wack, me and Wack didn't like each other. We were both aware of this. I was aware that if I ran into him, that something might happen. So my security was always aware of this. You know what I'm saying?

Right? Very menacing looking security, just so you guys know. But saying that, like, for example, I never went to Big U and said, hey, I got this problem with a street guy. Can you handle it for me? Right. I'm like, I'll handle it myself. Right.

Because I know that if I go to a Big U or if I go to a Brick Baby or if I go to a Wack 100, or I go to anyone who has some sort of a feature. affiliation on some level and now I want them to handle problems like that, then now that relationship changes. You're wrapped up and some shit that is uncomfortable. Yeah, that now it's not a straightforward relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I've always said, and I feel like that's where a lot of guys get in trouble,

where they have that one friend and they have that friend handle a problem for them because they don't want to handle it themselves. and now you're somehow indebted to that guy. And you never know when they're going to pull out that card and say, okay, now, now I remember what I did that for you? I had a little mini version of that where I got into a fight in probably 2017 or 2018, and there was an older gangster that was there, just happened to be around. And he said to me, like, right as the fight was getting broken up,

he said, like, you want me to whoop this fool's ass? And I was like, do whatever. I might just said, like, sure. and he punched the fool in the face right there and then. Immediately, it became clear to me that this guy felt like there was now a debt that had to be repaid. But he wasn't looking for like a financial thing or whatever. And we ended up making it cool by like me helping one of his artists out with doing a little bit of content or whatever like that. But I realize and I'm glad that I got like a small taste of why that's a situation that you want to avoid.

because once you have that hanging over your head, I mean, these are guys who don't really play by the rules. And you've officially, you know, granted, could I have gone to the cops or the feds or whatever and explained that situation? And would they have basically probably done something about it? I mean, shit, maybe. But I realize then and there that, like,

you have no reason as a non-gangster to be going to any kind of gangster, even if they just happen to be around and asking for favors. Because you don't really want to owe favors to people who operate outside of the law. Well, yeah, I mean, part of the indictment, and I have no idea whether it's true or not, but what the feds are alleging was that, you know, they're saying that NBA players were playing Big U, like, you know. Hundreds of thousands. Check in money.

And then there was a whole thing by Adrian Broner, robbing some dudes at a dice game. And Shaq allegedly moved out of L.A., at least in part because he was sick of dealing with gangster bullshit, which I think when he said that back in the day, people were a little confused. Why would Shaq in any way be beholden to gangster interests? Now you kind of see what that might look like. I don't know whether any of that is true, honestly. But it's sort of like if I was an NBA player, I'd be damned if I'd be paying anybody protection money in L.A. Like that doesn't make me a goddamn sense.

No, but what if they have something on you? What if they have, I don't know, some kind of involvement, something you did that basically makes it so you can't go to the cops or you having a wall of security around you and you're out. about isn't necessarily going to do the trick. I feel like, you know, these guys are shiasty. They figure out how they can actually get to you and they're willing to do whatever they got to do to be able to make it happen. Yeah, I mean, there's the vanilla ice story. Yeah, right?

Exactly. Yeah. Where, you know, and I went into detail with him when I first interviewed him. He said, Shug would just pop up when he was like in L.A. You would sit down at his table, start eating his food, like literally. And then, like, one day he went back to his hotel room and Shoeh was like, Shug and a bunch of his guys were in the hotel room. You know, and I think, like, Shug, like, grabbed the gun from a security and, like, smacked him or something.

And it was just like, okay, this is the type of shit that was being done back in the day. I just don't think you can really get away with that kind of stuff these days because there's so many cameras. And at the point that you... And here's the thing. It doesn't always work. Like, I remember, you know, there's a story about when Death Row was first coming together, they were at Solar Records Studios. They were working out of there.

And, you know, Harry O was the alleged financer of death row. So there was a phone, like an actual, like, corded phone in the studio that was only to be used for when Harry O called from prison. So no one else was allowed to use his phone because it was a very important phone, you know, in the studio. And these two producers were on the phone. And I guess, like, yo, man, should go and get mad. like, yeah, whatever. I was going to finish my phone call. Sugar gets pistol whipped them and stripped them

and said, you know, you guys better call the police. They went outside and called the police. Yeah. And then if you think about it, that arrest, you know, them pressing charges got sugar arrested and put on probation,

which he violated when he kicked Orlando Anderson during the Tupac MGM brawl. Right. So ultimately, trying to bully your way around and feel like you're outside the law and no one's going to cooperate with the police because they're so scared of you,

ultimately sent them to prison. It's amazing to me that the extortion thing still happens because I know how serious the feds take it. I know that there's been like federal takedowns of like the Mexican gangs in the MacArthur Park area that basically are like taxing the street vendors. Which when you think of

about this this is incredibly low level because if you're taxing the hot dog cart lady i mean what what are you getting you're getting 200 bucks a month out of her you're maybe getting a little bit more but it's it's it's dog shit it's like very bad money but the feds take that shit super serious at least in part because they know that that money is then being basically sent up to the the big dogs in prison and everything like that but when i see stuff like that because i read a whole book recently about basically like a federal take down of 18th Street gang that was like extorting people in in MacArthur Park. It's just like it just feels like that's such an easy way to draw a huge amount of attention

from law enforcement. They just take extortion stuff like very, very serious. And when you think about doing that to big name celebrities, I mean, you could imagine that Shaq made a peep to the feds that they would just be all over it because that would just be a huge deal compared to a lot of other things that they put resources into. But I don't know, maybe they got,

they had something on Shaq, but Shaq didn't want to draw attention to. I don't know. I mean, I feel like a lot of times, it's like, well, like certain celebrities don't get actual security

because they're doing drugs. Yeah. Right. And they know if they get an off duty cop, they can't just sit there and do cocaine around them. Right? sometimes I'm sure it goes deeper. There might be underage girls.

You know what I'm saying that they don't want anyone to know about or whatever else. And this is, I think, where some of the extortion comes in. It's like, you know, remember the Charlie Sheen situation? He had HIV.

Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So he was getting extorted by like a couple of people because, oh, you know, keep paying us these millions of dollars of those folks to the world. And he just said,

okay, look, I have HIV. Right, yeah. I'm done with it. I remember I knew he had years before he actually did because I was hanging out some porn star girls that used to be the Charlie's Angels. And yeah,

I was fucking some of them and somehow didn't get AIDS. Thank God. But I remember them just like talking super freely to me about the fact that Charlie Sheen had AIDS and just I was kind of wondered. I'm like, so this isn't going to make its way to the media. And then one day you came out and confessed it. And all of a sudden it was this huge story.

And people made some very hilarious memes, including like my tweet from that time that was like, oh, me and Charlie Sheen are Eskimo brothers. And then Charlie Sheen had, Mitz he has AIDS and they like did some memes that involved both side by side. What's the Eskimo brother? We both had sex with the same person. That's an Eskimo brother?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Although it was a new day. I'm surprised you never heard that. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah. With girls, I think they call it like a sisters con leche.

I heard some porn girls say that the other day. I forget how you say sister in Spanish, but something like that. Wait, it's, uh, Eman. Armana. Yeah, something like that. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, okay, so the big you thing is crazy. It definitely feels like this probably might not have risen to the level of this massive takedown if it wasn't for this one murder, that they're a legend, that he had an artist that he was working with who I guess previously played football under him because he was a high school football coach. And this artist, at one point was supposed to record in Big U's studio in Vegas. Somehow he wasn't happy with the rates that they were charging him or something. If it's his artist, I don't know why they were charging him anything to record in the space. But either way, he then records a diss song about Big U.

So Big U finds out about this diss song, which I'm not sure that this diss song has ever been released. If it does get released, we're going to really have to go through the lyrics with a fine-tooth cone because that's insane. And then Big U, apparently, according to the feds, was so upset about this that he's shot the kid in the head, drove him into the desert, and left his body there. Now, this situation is one that Christopher Lovejoy, aka 600, who's a close associate of Wack 100, had been drawing a ton of attention to before it actually broke. And Wack himself also had kind of been acknowledging it publicly. And before the takedown took place, you were seeing a ton of people on the internet saying

basically that this was disgusting and that you know guys like whack and 600 shouldn't be wishing prison upon people etc then the indictment comes down and it's kind of like oh you guys were talking about some real shit I guess

didn't you say that 600 was with the feds when the house is being raided or something like that Big You said that 600 was with them I don't necessarily know that's true I saw a clip that I believe 600 filmed where he was driving up to Big U's house which was taped off and he was filming it and he was asking the cops outside hey what are you doing

what what was this situation or whatever they raided the house who the big you wasn't actually there but yeah i don't i don't think 600 was actually like rolling with the cops in that situation that would be very out of the ordinary i mean big you has been like a figure on the internet now for quite a while like definitely after my interview with him. Yeah. Everybody knows about him. Everybody knew who big you was. Done a bunch of TV stuff and all that. TV stuff. Lots of people have dissed him in various ways on the internet and so forth. I've had conversations. I remember there was a whole loose canon thing where, you know, Lewis was saying how big you somehow set up Nipsey, you know. Which now a lot of people

are looking out a little differently now that. I don't think that happened on any level. I don't think so. I remember I called you, that was one of our conversations. I was like, oh man, I'm sorry you're going through this bullshit. Like, this is just dumb. You know what I'm saying?

I remember, I think I went on No Jumper and I talked about it out of this. And it was just like, he's like, yeah, man, this is just the bullshit I got to deal with. But like,

I never got the impression that you really, you're going to kill someone over, you're going to kill an unknown rapper over a diss song. Right. Sounds kind of bizarre. Nobody will really hear. Yeah.

Really. You're going to kill a rapper that no one's ever heard of. As of yet, I don't even know if anybody knows that person's rap name, the kid who got killed. Never mind if he ever even put music out on any serious level. Okay, like, if Drake killed Kendrick over, not like us being performed at the Super Bowl, I think it would be like, all right, we kind of get it. Yeah, bad decision, but we understand where the impulse came from.

It's just like he finally reached his breaking point when he's performed at the goddamn Super Bowl. Right. Like, you know, whereas like, Kendrick would probably be probably. minor, like the whole crowd, the whole Super Bowl singing, you know, living rooms around the country or singing along to the shit. I'm sure at one point, it's just,

it's like, I'm fucking sick of this. I'm so tired of hearing not like us in these fake file statements that I'm finally just going to snap. And I have whatever, a whole bunch of people that are 10 times removed from me that I'll handle it, and I'm done. So you're going to tell me

that a 50-something something year old man who's been enjoying being out of prison for a very long time. I'm going to go and kill someone himself over a diss song. That being said, though, it just sounds dumb, doesn't it? But so much of what Luce Cannon has alleged that is basically also this indictment, like why would a guy who's in his 50s who's presumably got a nice, you know, cushion of money and doesn't need to be out there extorted people,

why would he be running up in weed dispensaries and strip clubs and basically demanding cash for protection from them. It's like, you know, I feel like a lot of these guys... I have no idea about anything. Once they become career criminals, I think it's harder than we would think to let go of that life. I don't think so.

Really? We've seen a lot of people do it. Terrence and Gangster Williams, he did a great job. He left his violent past behind, you know? Well, I think it happens, you know, I remember speaking to, what was it, Chi Ali? and he was saying how recidivism happens when people get out younger in life.

But when they get out older in life, it doesn't happen very often. You know, I mean, you get out in your 50s, everyone that you hung around during the time that you were out is either dead in jail or has really left this life completely behind and moved away, you know, doesn't want anything to do with it or was fucked up off of drugs. You see what I'm saying? And like, look, Chi Ali killed somebody. I've never heard of him getting a parking ticket since that time.

Yeah. You see what I'm saying? He's, I believe, in his 50s as well. I mean, in his 40s at the very latest, you know, the very youngest. So it's just like someone like a big you who is in his 50s, you know, who hasn't done jail time in a long time, who is generally well respected, I think. In LA. For sure.

Fear and respect for sure. Yeah, but like once you get to know him, like I've never had any, you know, once I got to know Big You, yeah, I mean, before I was a little worried about, you know, I remember after the interview, I was like, hey, you know, do you want me to run the titles by you before he put him on? He's like, oh, man, do whatever you want. Do you?

I don't care about that. I'm like, oh, okay, this is not the reputation, not to say what people are like if you push them hard enough, But I'm saying like, I've never been scared of Big You since that interview. I've called him. He always picks up the phone. We always have cool conversations. There's never anything negative.

Like, cool dude. You know, whenever Wack would speak about him, I would always cut that part out. I'm like, I don't agree with this. And y'all two were friends at one point. Yeah. So I don't know. I was real cool with Big U at one point. But I remember when I first started the podcast with WAC, Brick three-wayed me.

on FaceTime, and it was with Big You, and Big You told me something along the lines of, hey, we cool, but I can't fuck with you because I was doing a podcast with whack. You know, basically what he was inferring was, I'm not going to do anything to you. You are fucking my bro brick, so I got to give you a little bit of leeway or whatever, but you're doing a podcast with this guy that I 1,000% do not with. So I'm not having anything to do with you. And I knew that kind of thing was probably coming when I started doing the podcast with WAC. Yeah, but for example, I never got that phone call because although I have WAC as a regular guest, I've always just avoided this topic.

I think I also was the first person to kind of like normalize WAC in a little bit more of the mainstream hip-hop space. Not to say that he didn't already have his own thing going on, but as far as platforms really embracing WACC, kind of cracked it open. And also, I wasn't editing anything out. He was talking about Big You. And I was attempting to put up a little bit of an argument and, you know, present the other side or whatever. But it's difficult when you're dealing with whack. I was just cutting it out. And I'm just like, me and you are cool.

Me and Big You are cool. And I'm not getting the middle of this. Because honestly, I honestly felt the two of them were going to be cool again at some point. Yeah. I just felt this was just temporary. You know what I'm saying? I think like once you get to know whack, you realize. realize that like a lot of times it doesn't run that deep in terms of like his you know what he

says online and so forth because like leading up to me him being cool he was still like talking shit about me you know on on plath you know on clubhouse and stuff like that like there's been a bunch of negative shit he said about me but it's like once he became cool it's like all that just didn't matter you can have a whole beef with whack and if you go to him and you say yo I'm trying to squash it or whatever he's not the kind of person that really wants to just be engaged in cruelty towards an unwilling participant. Now, if you've got smoke for him, if you want to go on podcast, you want to shit on WAC, then WAC is going to shit on you right back, and he's probably going to find a way to up the ante

and make it more painful for you than it is for him, especially him as somebody where, what are you really going to say about him? He's had everything you can say, say about him, and he's maneuvered through all of it. Right. But, yeah, from my perspective, most of the people that Wack has an issue with, if they were willing to go to his clubhouse room for an hour and take a little bit of verbal abuse in the process of getting back on good terms of them. He usually seems pretty open to that.

However, the Big You thing definitely feels like it got too deep at a certain point and there wasn't really much coming back from it. And actually, in the indictment, it says that at one point there was recorded wiretap or, you know, phone recordings of Big You claiming that they basically, that he ran down on WAC with a large number of Crips with him and that Wack was begging for forgiveness, for to be left alone. Oh, I'm with my wife.

I'm with my kid. I brought this up to Wack yesterday on the news over the phone. Wack said, okay, it may say that in the paperwork. He might have told people that. That didn't happen, which,

like at all. Wack says it never happened. And to be fair, from my perspective, if you've got somebody like Wack that you want dead in your cross. like that, he's going to beg for forgiveness and you're just going to walk away from it? Nah, I don't think so. I feel like if you really had whack lined up like that,

you were probably going to make it a lot worse than just making him apologize and beg for forgiveness. I feel like this is such like the hip-hop story that never gets co-signed by both parties. It's like Tony A.O. said a story about how they ran up on Benzino and they gave him a pass. And Benzino was, like, mad about that story. He said he didn't happen that way. Tony was like, you know, I believe Tony's version. Like, Tony has never been one to exaggerate.

Yeah. Around me on or off camera. Like, we've had a lot of, me and Tony actually have a friendship now. Right. You know, so we do talk a lot just on the phone, just bullshitting. You know what I'm saying? Benzino, who's now back on the show partially. Not with you.

but with Sean Prez has gone off the rails on a number of times and said a bunch of crazy shit. It's kind of like a signature move. Yeah. He goes off the rails on a variety of podcasts. Shout out to Benzino. I did a great three-hour interview with Benzino. Didn't really travel or go viral or anything because he didn't really have a while-out moment. It was just like a very mature, respectable conversation.

Obviously, me and Benzino's friendship is kind of tested by the fact that I'm so cool with Wack. And Wack is constantly putting narratives on him. But, you know, that's always a weird feeling when you have a great conversation with somebody. I remember I did a Soldier Boy interview and I think it was one of the first, well, Soldier White told me that you were my first interview when I was on the phone with him the other day, which he had done Vlad a bunch of times before that stuff. I don't know what he was referring to exactly in terms of first interview. But I did an interview with Soldier Boy, it was fine.

Had a couple of viral moments. The views were good. But then like a month or two later, he goes and does the Breakfast Club interview where he does the Drake and is basically like performing his like, you know, wild-ass personality at that point. And it was kind of weird to be like, oh, like, you could have showed up and given me that version of you. That would have been nice. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I had a great long-term, like, sit down with him, but it wasn't the viral monstrosity that you and the breakfast club guy. Yeah. You know, it's funny is that like I had totally forgotten that even happened as I'm doing the interview. Because I kind of zone out when I do interviews. Because you're thinking about what the next thing is going to be. So a lot of times you're not 100% tuned in to exactly what is being said at this moment. And that clip comes out and suddenly like Soldier Boy Challenge happens. I think Joe Bunn was the first.

Joe did it. I think he started it. He was definitely like, I saw him do it and then realize like, oh, he's referencing this Soldier Boy clip that I now need to go watch. Right. And everyone was like, yo, like I know you were going crazy when he did that. I'm like, no. I was thinking about the next question. Yeah.

Yeah. That was entertaining, but I didn't think he was going to do that to the point where, like, Childish Gambino when he did, looks like, I think it felt like, song called, like, feels like summer. They actually recreated that, that part of the video was Soldier Boy,

and then there was a little baby, like, trippy red, like watching, like, like, you know? I mean, what was it? Virgil wanted to use that in his art exhibit at Chicago, Museum of Modern Art. Ultimately, we didn't let him use it because they didn't want to give us tickets to the premiere. Really? Yeah. I thought that was lame. But he wanted to use it in an

art piece? Yes. Well, that was going to be one of the displays in his, so the Museum of Modern Art in Chicago, which is a major museum, basically did a whole thing on Virgil. So one of the actual pieces was my video playing. Oh, just the full video. Some other stuff, I guess. Oh, okay. And so they're like, oh, we want to use it. And I'm like, you know, they weren't talking about, you know, money at all. Right. So I was like, all right, well, can we get tickets to the premiere? Like, oh, yeah, sure.

And then I'm like, I get the tickets and I'm like, well, no, I'm talking about the real premiere where it's like there's like a, they're selling like tables for like, you know, $1,500 a seat and stuff like that. They're like, oh, no, no, we don't have access to that. We'll just basically give you a ticket to the museum. Like a $20 ticket. Yeah, like a $20 ticket. I'm like, are you fucking serious right now?

Yeah. Like, oh, no, but this is for a, something, the funder. I'm like, you're using my shit to raise these funds, partially. So you're telling me I can't get tickets to this. And I'm like, I'm like, I, virtual bugging. Like, you know what I'm saying?

It's interesting that they were that concerned about it because I feel like they probably could have skated by on claiming it was fair use. No, I would have sued them. Really? Wow. Respect. Yeah.

In fact, like, I remember, I'm so sick of people using, like, you know, like my video with Ari Spears showed up in the Netflix documentary for the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight. Okay, and you sued? No. Like, but I'm about, like, I made sure after that, like, I hired someone to make sure that all my stuff now is copyrighted with the copyright office. Okay. So everything is now copyrighted. So the next person to use my shit on a bigger platform, it's going to end up in court. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sick of it. Especially like, yeah, HBO, use my shit. Like, it's just, it just gets used, you know, little baby, use my video performing. Like, like, it's just, you know, rolling loud or Coachella, like these major events where you're getting paid millions of dollars to perform.

Like, I'm sick of this shit. You know, the same way people protect their music and, you know, you can't sample their shit. You can't just use my shit. All these big IG pages that are using my screen captures and stuff like that. It's about to start getting real legal. Because that's just a part of your day.

that you go through people who've used your content on Instagram or YouTube and you flagged stuff and get stuff taken down. See, that's something I've been a little slower to adapt. But like I said, what would Vlad do? As much as it might seem a little bit preemptive, for sure. I got people suing me. I'm going to start Zoom. That's what I'm saying.

We get sued for shit. It's fair game. You know what I'm saying? And listen, we've had a lot of people where usually my first thing is like once I flag it and they come back, oh, we're really sorry, we're moving. it's like you have to license it's $5,000. You know, sometimes I'll work with people here and there or it might be $10,000 depending on who it is.

And a lot of people pay. Because like, what are you going to do? But I know you've, I heard you speak something about it where it's a little bit upsetting to you that people make a whole little documentaries, misrepresenting you and acting like you're this piece of shit and they use your footage and it's fair use so you can't really do a whole lot about it.

Yeah, we'll see. Yeah? Okay. We'll see. There's got to be a way. Yeah. See, right later. Okay.

And then just to touch on the whole Brick Baby thing, I mean, from my perspective, the Brick Baby is somebody who I've seen him really trying to change his life. In various ways, he was in the streets throughout the whole beginning part of his life. He's been with me for two years. At the very beginning of the two years, he ended up getting his house raided by the cops, and they found an AK, allegedly. And then, well, this is that. actually discussed in the RICO, so I don't know if it's really alleged at this point. But

never charges filed, waxed out on this podcast many times and said that the fact that there were no charges filed basically was indicative of the fact that Brick was telling. My perspective always was maybe, but I think more likely is that this is all going to get wrapped up into some kind of federal thing at some point. And that's exactly what happened. But again, I was like two years ago. And, you know, I see him day to day and I see what kind of life he's trying to live. And there's just been so many times where he just sat there and just told me and not in a way where he was like grandstanding or trying to win me over or trying to gas me up. But where he said, you don't know how nice it is to be hanging out with people like you and doing business like this. Because so much of my younger life involved, oh, we've got to go to a show. We've got to perform at a show.

we know there's a massive chance of some kind of violent altercation happening when we go to perform with this show. Or me taking him to like porn parties and he's just hanging out around. Porn party sounds crazy. But, you know, to situations where it's just a bunch of girls, it's very low key. They're not even searching you out the door. There's nobody's worried about who's got a gun at the porn party. It's just very much like a chill atmosphere in comparison. And I've just like seen that.

I remember the first time that we recorded in the studio together. and he actually just said to me in Lush, he goes, you know, this is a good way for us to hang out because we don't got to be outside or nothing, we can just hang out and make music. And it's like, you know, it's very, this is like a good way for us to hang out. And I'm like, oh, like, we're actually becoming friends.

Like, he actually looks at me and Lush as people that he just wants to kick it with and make music and shit like that. And so to see something from a couple years ago, really come back to get him. And again, I don't know what's going to be in the sealed indictment. That's kind of like the big. Oh, there's another one? Another part.

Yeah, and a lot of speculation about what might be in it. We have absolutely no idea. I mean, I guess you could imagine that it's almost nothing. You can imagine that it could be a big deal. There's a lot of people who've tried to say that Brick could have been involved in the whole OTF thing. I personally, through my conversations with Brick, he pretty much assured me that this is not something that he was in any way involved in. And I tend to believe him. Yeah.

But you never know. What's your perspective on Brick, having seen him over the last couple months that you guys have been. doing content and everything. Sad. It's sad. It seems like, Brick, you know, he has a new baby, right? He has, like, a, I think she's two?

Yeah. He has a young baby. He has other kids. You know, one just turned 16, you know, just got her a car and shit. Yeah. He feels like he's taking care of his family. He seems like he actually cares.

Like, you know, there's a lot of parents, both male and female, they don't do a good job of caring about their kids. He actually seemed like he's, really does care about his kids. For sure. It seemed like he was really embracing the whole content thing. Me and him had a conversation about building up his YouTube channel.

You know, because I was like, you know, if you really stay with the consistency, you could really control your own shit. You know, I'm saying? It's cool to do no jump or flat TV, but really, I think the goal should be your shit. And like I said, I just ran into him randomly at the Beverly Center. And to see this come together and... I think it's just sad that it's wrapped up into this bigger RICO. Yeah.

A gun charge is a gun charge. Right. All right. You could beat a gun charge. You could get your lawyer, you plead out, blah, blah, blah, blah. RICO is something different. RICO gets involved with, I mean, the purpose of a RICO was designed for the mafia where you had people that were not committing crimes that, you know, they were telling other people allegedly to do it. And that's how they're able to get these mob bosses and these captains and these.

stuff like that. So the whole thing of O'RICO is that you're being charged with things that you may not have done yourself. You know, other people have done acts and you're being blamed for what other people have done. And that's the scary part of O'Reco. Yeah, definitely. I mean, honestly, I had a conversation with Brick's girl and his mom earlier today, and at least from their perspective, Brick has nothing to do with any of the very serious charges that

they're trying to put on Big U, which is my understanding. too. A lot of the stuff that Luce Cannon was talking about, I got the feeling that this was pretty foreign to Brick that he didn't have that level of involvement with whatever Big You had going on. But that Bricks from Rolling 60s, they had this gun charge that they'd been sitting on for a while.

They want to make it look good for the media. They want to put a lot of pressure on whoever they can to talk about Big You. So they wrap Big You up, or they wrap brick up in this whole Big U Roland 60s indictment. And as a result probably right now they're leaning on break to try to get information about big you and whatnot

but really ultimately the crime that they're charging them with doesn't have anything to do with anything besides the fact that they allegedly found this gun in this house now that being said there's the sealed indictment we don't know what's in that but yeah i mean it does kind of seem like like talking to his mom and his girl they're saying we think that if this goes well and we get a good lawyer to to deal with his bond or whatever that he could be home in a couple of weeks, which would be crazy for him to be home in a couple weeks and be on ankle monitor for the next couple years or a year, however long it takes to fight it. Yeah. I'll take an ankle monitor any the end of the week. Yeah, 100%. Sad, man. It's sad. I like the guy. I wouldn't keep having him

on my show if I didn't like him. You know, we create content that people react to. Me and him, you know, hang out afterwards. We'll smoke a joint, you know, outside. I mean, it was cool, man. I was looking forward to the next the next interview. You got to feel like the feds have like a little bit of a sense of humor because we finally got Luce Cannon and Brigg baby on camera together the night before the RICO. We

finally do that. The fans are going nuts. The fans are... So Lose Canters was back on was back on No Jumper? We brought him back for that, yeah. And even all the craziness that happened in the parking lot. Which was also mentioned in this indictment. Do you see that? Oh yeah. And kind of a

cause for concern because they pinpointed and said like that loose can and smacked this guy with a gun repeatedly and removed 5,000 plus dollars worth of stuff from him. I don't know how they would get to that number without having a conversation with this guy. Also

how did this guy have $5,000 is worth of stuff on him? He probably had an iPhone. Okay, so that's what, maybe $1,200? At most, yeah, and then I can't like maybe he had a chain or something. I didn't strike me as the kind of guy who was wearing a $4,000 chain.

Yeah, they're trying to get to like a grand theft. Maybe, yeah. I don't know. You know, maybe that's where that number comes from. But the funniest thing about it is that, you know, Bray Baby on this podcast smokes huge amounts of weed, back-to-back blunts. And Loose Cannon, meanwhile, doesn't even kick it with people to smoke weed. I'm pretty sure.

He doesn't smoke weed. He doesn't drink. Just from the contact high of Brick smoking in this room with him, Loose's brain turned into oatmeal pie by the end of that interview. He just quickly got to the point where he was basically incapable of engaging in the conversation, which was not great for the podcast, but kind of hilarious for us to witness. But, you know, hopefully both of them are free and can come back together. They probably have some kind of stipulation where they're maybe not allowed to fraternize

with other people who are part of that same thing. I don't know. I actually have my own weed strain coming. Really? I got a deal. I'm not going to say with who. Really? But it's with a company that I actually was.

with like myself personally. It was a brand that I kept buying year after year. So we just put a deal together. And I'm going to have my own strand to buy TV logo on it. Oh, that's dope. Seven states. Nice.

So you're the first person that's hearing about it. Wow, that's cool. I just got some samples in the car. We can smoke out. It's funny you say that because the on some shit weed, we've actually got that popping up in a bunch of dispensaries in the nearest future. The oomph strain that we got right here. Okay.

How's that doing? It's cool. We haven't really had any dispensaries yet, but we got a bunch of them on deck that were about to be in L.A., so we'll see how that kind of goes. We've played with this idea over the years. In like 2019, we had a whole no-jumper weed strain that we were working with. We did a whole meat and greed for it, all this kind of stuff. And then the company were a partner with just ended up being tarted. And so we've kind of, that went on the back burner for a while, but we're kind of trying to get back off the ground.

Yeah. We'll see if this one works out. This is actually a weed problem. that I fuck with myself. And the plan is that after I interview people, I'll actually smoke with them afterwards and give them products. And, you know, if they're cool with it, you know, we'll post the videos. Usually I have another interview right after most interviews.

So for me, getting high. Like, even this morning, I'm working on my computer for like an hour and there's half a joint sitting in the ashtray and I just kept looking at it. And they're just thinking, you got to interview Vlad, don't though? You don't want to be slow. Can we smoke in here? Sure. Of course.

Bring my weed in? I would love to see you get overtly high. All right, let's do it. Hold on. I'm going to my car. Okay. I got blunts and joints, which one we want to do? Shit, I'll smoke a blunt with you. Why not? All right. So this is a... Oh, Lord. I'm only going to take a puffer. I've got to do another... This is actually my new strain. This is actually a King Louis.

Okay. He's a King Louis. No relationship to King Louis, the rapper you've interviewed many times, drill legend. I got this right here. It's not just regular weed. Okay, what is it? Don't say the brand name yet. Okay. Don't say the brand name yet.

All right. Because, you know, I don't want to announce it yet. Maybe a letter? But this right here is not just... Smoking on Vlad. But this is actually Moon Rocks. So it's a little more serious than a regular... The regular blood.

I'm officially worried. Moon Rocks are fucking crazy. Yeah. But you're a fan of that? Yeah, I am, actually. See, I put the joints. Okay. I'm going to let you smoke that.

I almost like the joint. There's a lot of moon rock products over the years that they're so like mushy and like hard to even roll up. I've had people give, they used to be a craze people were giving me that stuff. I feel like the modern moon rocks might not be. The ashrator? Yeah. Put it on the ground. I got it right there, yeah.

All right. Okay, yeah. First time you ever smoked on camera? No, I spoke on a camera When I was on a truly Jew show Okay, there you go Yeah Yeah, I had to do her show and apologize

Yeah, I remember that That was a good time Yeah But like what's your Perspective on weed Because you told me previously That you only smoke at night Once the day is done

That used to be true though, right? I wake and bake pretty much Oh really? Wow Yeah Yeah, I spoke in the morning I realized for example that You know in the morning I got like my real work

usually like I got to do some of the titles and I got to deal with real work shit. I realize I got a workout in the morning before actually starting my real work. If I can work out in the morning, I go to my gym, I knock it out, and then I can start my real work. If I say, okay, I'm just going to handle some work. And then I'll go work out. I never work out. Because you're so addicted to the actual work, right?

Or you just, you know, it takes so much mental energy that you're just a little tired, I think, you know. But yeah, I usually smoke in the mornings and, you know, smoke a night sometimes. Depending on the day, I've been smoking since I was like 18. For me, I look back at my whole life of like going out riding BMX bikes 12 hours a day and I don't understand how I did all that high as for all those years. When I look at it now, I'm like, because now I don't smoke all day. Sometimes I'll smoke during my last interview of the day.

But it's like if I got three interviews in a day, I'm not trying to slow myself down. Usually I'll like just kind of bide my time and just wait until later on. So what do you think? Nice. Yeah. I'm curious about this rap. I've never actually seen something quite like this. I'm wondering what it's made of. But no, it hits nice.

I'm a little cautious about getting overly high right now, but... I never thought I was going to see Vlad getting high on November. That's exciting. Yeah, man. I don't think we don't even spoke together. No, never. I never smoke with anybody. I always just do personal...

Yeah, I know. I was going to say. I got splits. There's a reason, but yeah. Yeah. I usually only smoke with tobacco. Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah, I don't fuck with tobacco. Yeah. That's why I'd rap up with a bluff. right now. I really want to use that straight and out of it. Yeah. Um, no, for sure. This is about to turn it to a high interview now. It might move slightly slower.

You can imagine that. Yeah. Um, okay. I got, uh, a few other questions that I'd like to hone in on. So, let's go. Where are you at with Kanye right now? Would you do a Kanye interview right now? Word on the streets is that academics interviewed him yesterday. Yeah, I heard that too. Okay. I didn't actually ask him, but people told me that he did.

He was supposed to. to interview. Right. I don't know if it happened. Definitely seems like it might be like a 50-50 chance maybe at best. Yeah, I don't think it's 50-50. He was tweeting about it. And Act came out here to do it. So you would hope that it happened. But

I mean, hopefully it happened. But I also, I feel like if it happened, maybe Ack would have done a little bit of a victory lap online already. Would have posted a screenshot or something maybe? I don't know. There's a big interview for it. This might be as big interview ever. That's a big interview for sure. Yeah, no, I would do the interview, but I'm also not going to hold my tongue. So I don't

think Kanye would actually do it. And like me and John Monopoly have been like really friends forever. Okay. For like way before Vlad TV for like 20 years at this point. Been in my home. Like I've been in his home like that type of thing. And he's never been able to hook it up properly. So, you know, not that he hasn't tried.

He has. But yeah, I would do it, but I would push down on everything. It would not be like I would either push down and everything or I would just say, let's just talk about your music. catalog. Right, which I feel like he would probably not really do. I feel like the more you try to guide him in the direction because he's been like that forever. I remember

in the very early days of hip hop podcasting, Juan Epstein had Kanye on. And even back then, even in 2014 or whatever year this was, they could not get him to just talk about the music. It was fucking impossible. But

I mean, it seems like a very big challenge to take on, at least for me, because I don't really know if I'm ready to have the argument with Kanye about Jews are not part of an evil cabal that rules the world or whatever. You know, like, I just don't, that's such a weighty conversation that I don't know that I'm well-researched enough to have. I know you are a Jew, so you probably have a bit more of it over the years. I'm actually Jewish. I've actually had family members killed by Nazis. Right. So we could have that conversation. I just don't think that he will

actually have that conversation with someone who's Jewish. I just, don't think he will because you can't really stand on a lot of the shit you're talking about it. It's all fucking nonsense. Yeah. I mean, to post up a Ku Klux Klan robe with a swastika. Over and over, yeah. You know, I tweeted, I say Kanye West, who was the jeweler that made that iced ice ice swastika? I know, I was wondering that. Yeah, he didn't respond. I would love to know who made that. The iced out swastika is a crazy level of commitment. I mean, shit, I thought it was

a level of commitment when he had a Super Bowl ad, and then when you went to his online store the only thing available was the swastika shirt that even of itself is pretty unprecedented in his day age right shop if i got shut down over that all right i wonder if he found a replacement sense i mean i don't know whether this is like performance art for him whether it's like yo i'm going to take artistry to the highest level i'm actually going to like talk about hitler and i'm going to have an iced out swastika and i'm going to have kuklats clan that I'm going to have a choir. I'm going to bring back Sunday service.

My choir is going to be named the N-word. Yeah. Yeah. And he said a new Sunday service logo, and it was the SS Bolts. Yeah, right. So many things I never could have imagined. Yeah, it's just all this really nasty.

And it's just like, and it's funny because now there's this whole, no, Hitler didn't hate black people. It's like, really? So when you see these white supremacists, They like black people? I don't think he had a whole lot of black people to hate in Germany in the 40s. They had black people. They had mixed race people.

But what happened was that once the Nazis took over. And they took over northern Africa at one point. Did they? Yeah. Okay. Well, all of the mixed race people in Germany were, what's that process where you can't make, you can't reproduce? use? Uthinized.

Castrated? Not castrated. Well, that's what they cut the whole thing off. But yeah, but it's some sort of process. Oh, actually, they ultimately failed at conquering northern Africa, but they tried. Okay, there you go. Okay. Yeah, but basically the Nazi party made all the mixed people, you know, the black and white

mixed people in Germany unable to reproduce. Okay. Because they were sterilized. Sterilized. So all these people were sterilized, so they could reintroduced. so they could reproduce. And some of them even end up being Nazi soldiers. So you got these sterilized mixed and black people who are Nazi soldiers,

but they can't reproduce because there's the master race thing going on. And these are ultimately people that are messing up this concept of a German master race. So, yeah, it's, you're embracing a culture that really just fucking hates you. Maybe that's part of his performance art. But, like, you know, he's calling Drake the F word. Yeah. Oh, you see the shit with the Kim Kardashian shit? She said that the Kardashians are sex trafficking, my black children.

Yep. Just like all the craziest shit you could ever imagine of saying. I'm surprised that at some point, you know, Kim doesn't just sue him. You could definitely imagine that kind of coming down the bed at some point. And think about how big of a lawsuit that could be. Think about how many people are suing him right now. And already. Yeah, but it's got to be really draining.

It would hit a little different. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm also wondering how Bianca's dealing with all this. Man, she's, like, according to people, she's brilliant. She's independent. She knows what's going on, which is, like, I think a lot of people have, like, written her into this role of just assuming that she's just like some sort of slave to him at this point,

because it's, like, the only way that you can imagine somebody really sticking around for this. but yeah i mean you never hear any kind of commentary from her at all i don't know she must really be on board for the ride that this is well i mean listen it's a ride with a billionaire

who spends money freely remember he gave game the two uh chrome down mercedes yeah yeah and uh you look high right now you look high you look high

Do I look high? Yeah. Why am I? We both look high? It all changed. And you're leaning back now. He's got a ponytail now. It's just Vlad, but he's got a ponytail.

I know, right? That's bold. Yeah? I like it. Yeah? Because my hair was getting long. If you see some of my interviews like with Math Haifa, like literally my hair is like kind of like in my face. Yeah.

And I was just like, yeah, man, it's kind of long enough to start pulling back. back. Right. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to pull it back. Yeah. Just let it grow out.

It was good. Yeah, thank you. Joe Budden accused you of having a hair transplant. Yeah. I did. I know, because you asked me about it before you got it.

It was the same doctor. And I checked with you, so you and I went to the same doctor. Right. Doctor, is it? I can't remember, but you,

you went to the same doctor as my second hair transplant, which was not my third hair transplant, which I got in Turkey, which I would now, massively recommend to anybody's Oh, so you wouldn't go back to the To our same doctor?

No, because, well, number one I got for free in Turkey Had to pay for the flight, which is that in the hotel Pretty $39.99. Pretty expensive. But the, they, they, it's so cheap. There was a guy I was sitting next to that I was having a conversation with in the van where they transport you back and forth to the hair transplant spot.

And he told me he spent $2,500 to get like 5,000 follicles. Whereas like I know personally I think I got 1500 for $18,000 in 2019 or whatever Yeah, I mean listen you can look at my old pictures and you can see what it look like my old photos I look like now and just like 90% Like it's so funny that once you get it done you look at 90% of entertainment and everyone's gotten it done Yeah Machine Gun Kelly Tiger like Safari like you know Timberland like But just nobody talks about it.

But then like, honestly, I never would have talked about it. But then one day we're doing the no-jumper show. We're deep into it a couple hours. And AD just catches me off guard. And he just goes, admit you got a hair trail split. And I just like, you just see my face. It's so obvious. I can't lie, you know.

Watching you talk about it was what got me to do it. Yeah. Because then I called you because you were like the first person I personally knew that had it done. That I actually could just call on the phone. just chop it up with like that. Right. And I'm like, okay, who'd you use? And then you named a doctor. And that was like, oh, I had a short list of people that potentially was going to go with that that name was on there. I'm like, yeah, fuck I have the money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? As a guy, there's no other surgery that really makes sense. Like, girls are out here spending

hundreds of thousands on surgeries. For us, it's like, what are you going to do? I mean, you can get LIFO. It kind of looks weird from my perspective. I'm not doing LIFO. Yeah, I don't want to do it. I'm not going to BBL even though I got a flat ass. My ass so flat, yo. Yo, same. And I've definitely looked at my ass and thought that's a prime BBL candidate right there because that's a little bit flat. I saw a porn movie once, right? A porn scene.

And it was a white dude who had this like kind of slight BBL, but you could tell it was BDL. And I could not watch it. I had to delete that shit off my computer because it looked, it was so fucking distracting. This is like trans porn here. It was so distracting to watch that I was just like, I can't. I can't do this. This is just fucking up my whole vibe. Like, you know, I'm a porn fan, but I'm just saying that right there,

I hope that doesn't turn into a choice. That was the only time I've ever seen that, though. Yeah. Maybe in gay porn, this shows up. Well, somebody like Saucy Santana. Saucy Santana, as of BBL. Right. But that's gay.

Yeah. Sossi's gay. Yeah. Right? So in the gay world, yeah. Go ahead. BBL, whatever you want to do. But I'm saying, in the straight world, though, in the straight world,

you just don't see dudes. getting BBLs. But I think having a flat ass is like a old white guy thing. And I think having a round ass, like whack. Wack got like a booty. Like you could tell his ass cheeks around. I'm very comfortable having this conversation. Right.

But it's true. Like he's just got like a round ass. You can tell. And like we got flat asses. What is that? Unfortunately there was, me and Wack talked about it on camera like that video that girl took of him. Yeah.

So unfortunately when you say that that's what. too. Yeah. That's what's popping in my head. Unfortunately. Yeah. Wack, I'm telling you,

I did not request this part of the conversation. This was just sprung on me. I'm not comfortable talking about this. But yeah, I have a flat ass. That's why I got to stay under the squat rack because it's like I got to keep one day. I'm having a nice round ass. You show up naked on camera.

I don't. Yeah, yeah. I just know that, you know, my private life I have a flat ass. I've been on a hardcore diet for the past couple weeks because I just looked at the scale one day and saw 240 staring back in me. I was 215,

two years ago. And I was like, Goddana. Oh, yeah. How did I let this happen? I'm 220 and I used to be 205. So I'm fucked up right now. Like I've got to get back.

What are you planning to fix? What's the leak do you need to plug in regards to you getting this weight? It's just food. Yeah. It's always just food. But what's your advice? I'm going to go back to counting calories again. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what I'm going back to. Once I counted calories, that was in my life, the biggest weight loss I ever had, including when I tried those empec was from counting calories. Really? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I tried Ozzymic for a few months. I didn't like it. You know, like, yeah. Just made you nauseous, man. Like, have you tried it? No. Oh, yeah, we've tried it. I was thinking, like, a month ago, I thought to myself, I'm either going to get on testosterone or Ozempic, and then I just did neither. What does testosterone do?

Get big, brawit, strong as fuck. Okay. You burn more fat, you just, it does everything. Increase your sex drive, all kinds of crazy. crazy shit. Okay. It's a little unsustainable though. If you're going to get on it, it's like you've got to stay on it for a long time or a handful of months and then wean yourself off of it

or you just kind of stay on like a maintenance dose forever. That's what Dan Billsarian recommended to me in my interview with him. Get on testosterone and stay on it. Forever. Yeah. Yeah, because I heard once you get on it, it messes up your natural ability to generate testosterone. That's what someone told me. And we're going to have another kid and apparently your sperm is. You got another kid on the way? Not officially, but we're

like kind of talking about it, working towards it. And that's one thing where apparently your sperm is like not that good at making babies when you're on testosterone. Why is you doing in vitro? No comment. No comment? You're doing impetro. Good for you.

They say this is what I heard, right? That in the future, not in the foreseeable future, but like let's just say a thousand years from now, most babies will be born through in vitro just because of how much safer it is to do in vitro.

Well, yeah, because within vitro, I looked into this, you could actually test for birth defects at the embryo level. Meaning that if you got a hermaphrodite that's about to be, you know, turn into a baby, you could say, no, we're good,

we'll toss this one out. Wow. Yeah. Or if you're like Down syndrome, that type of shit, you catch that shit early. Because a lot of times when women have miscarried,

Carriages. I know it's always a sad thing. Oh, my God, I lost my baby. But a lot of times miscarriages happen because you have a baby that's about to come out fucked up. Oh, really? Yeah. Like I'm saying, the body's like, this baby guy's dicking a pussy. Like, we probably should let this out into the world. But that would be enough? Like, would you abort your kid because they were gay if you could tell while they were still in there? But a hermaphrodite I would abort. Why? You think it's that to be rolling around with a dick and a vagina? Yeah. I think having two sexual organs.

I think really kind of put you in a separate place from the rest of society. I think it'd be a very hard life. Yeah. It'd be a hard life to have a big animal. In fact, I remember, I remember, because at one point I had a company that would help people find jobs

as a recruiting agency. Right. And there was a woman, well, a man. See, so I had this candidate who had gone to Harvard and was like super great, on paper, but just would fail all the interviews that they did. So at one point, I'm like, hey, let's just go meet up for lunch.

And you couldn't really tell the gender. And I remember her name, her name, his name, her name, I guess was Caitlin. And basically I'm like, he goes, yeah, I have X and Y chromosomes. Of course, I mean, he goes, I'm part girl as well. He goes, I've had a hard life. He said it just like that. He's like, I have girl. He said, I have girl in me.

There's something people just don't like about a guy that you can't really tell if it's 100% a guy or a girl that you can't really 100% tell. Like, there's just something innate in human beings that you feel uncomfortable when the line is blurred and you can't really tell what you're looking at. Yeah, I mean, like, one of the things that annoys me about the porn world right now is that when you're just going through regular porn, it just seems like, trans porn gets mixed in. This is on Pornhub? Like Pornhub or like hot movies or whatever else. It just seems like trans porn seems to be mixed in with regular porn. I honestly feel like the Pornhub algorithm is kind of fucked up right now because for the first time ever when I scroll Pornhub, the feed just seems like it's just showing me like gay stuff mixed in with the straight stuff.

That's what I'm saying. I feel like porn is trying to push almost an agenda. You know what I'm saying? My, Hey, trans porn is cool. I'm very familiar with the mainstream porn world though and like none of the mainstream porn companies are really doing anything with the trans stuff because it's,

it is so fringe, you know, it's like the same thing with like obese women. Like you don't see browsers or vixen doing anything with like a 400 pounder because that shit does have its audience for sure. I've met girls who are plus size that make a shitload of money and everything. I've met them, had conversations with them.

They're awesome. But you don't really see the mainstream porn companies embracing them. because there are so many fetishes that you could embrace if you really wanted to as a porn company, but like the vast majority of them are just not that popular in comparison to just good old fashion hot chicks, big weaners. I feel you, man. I'm just saying, I've just noticed it over the last few years.

I got an observation. How about this? All right, let's go. Successful hip-hop interviewers weirdly into porn. I'm not going to say weirdly I'm not going to put that on you but at least into porn

Bootleg Kev Super big porn fan Oh is he? Oh yeah I just did a show I'm just saying that's kind of interesting That is this is this the thread

That kind of you know I think academics Probably Academics still I remember this day told me that when he wants to jerk off He goes to porn hub And searches like

Shyrak thotties And like hood rats and like shit like that. That's so his type. Oh really? Which I think tells you a lot about him. I mean, I've been around women that he's brought around. Right, yeah.

I've been around most of the girls days and shit too. Yeah, we had dinner maybe about a month ago. But at least porn was Shirek Fouties. He said that on my podcast the first time I ever had a month. I couldn't believe it. I've never even thought to search for a location. Well, you know what's interesting in that world is, cleaning up a little bit here for you.

That's that OCD. I know, right? I've heard about it. There we go. The AI aspect of porn, I feel like hasn't happened at all yet. And when it happens, it's going to be like a nuclear bomb. So, yeah, I've heard a lot of stuff about girls having, like, AI versions of them on telegram and guys paying to basically, like, chat with this AI version of them. I mean, there's even girls.

That's not what I'm talking about. There's this girl. Just to throw one other thing out there, there's this girl, Rochelle Ryan. You go to her Instagram right now. You scroll down a little bit. You're going to see a version of her

that is like, you know, otherworldly hot. She's hot. But this is like crazy. And you'll realize like, oh, that's the AI version.

I go to look at my Instagram, like she's got a whole business thing where you could like pay to talk to her AI clone or whatever the fuck it is. When I look at my Instagram Explorer page, there's a lot of hot chicks that are AI.

I know. Shaking their asses for me. And now you're looking at a girl going, real girl or AI girl It's tough to tell sometimes Yeah It's getting tough to tell

And think about like So now you could have a scene And you could say Okay I don't want Rachel Ryan in this scene I want to put I don't know Who's another big porousar right now

Nicole Dosci Nicole Dosi So I want to go Asian I want to get rid of this This white girl and throw an Asian girl in there. Like, and suddenly you have a whole other human being in the same scene and their body behaves the same way.

Like, I feel like we're kind of close to that right now, aren't we? Yeah, for sure. But at one point, it's just going to be just super simple. Like, okay, I could swap out anybody. You know what I mean? Like, I want a white dude in this scene instead of a black guy. Like, boom. My thing is, like, at some point, do women become obsolete if the AI gets like

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. A lot of these AI chicks are just like a few degrees hotter than any girl I've ever seen do porn. They're like the hottest girl you've ever seen who's who ever. And like they're basically in the last year, a couple of years, they've gotten to the point where I almost can't tell when it's just a video of them sort of shaking their tities around on my Instagram explore tab five years from now.

They're probably going to have the guy part of it done, the sex part of it done like all this shit. And it's like at a certain point is it going to be some. programmer dude in Russia or some huge company or whatever making all this money and all these only fans girls all of a sudden see their income greatly diminished or is there something about the human element that'll keep people tethered to it because I'm forced to assume they

are to some extent or at least a lot of porn fans well until it's indecipherable so so for example right diamonds right now are at a hundred year low in terms of price whereas gold just hit an all-time high and you know why the diamonds are at an all-time low? Because the man-made diamonds. Okay, yeah.

Man-made diamonds have become more and more cheap and they've gotten to the point where the human eye cannot tell the two apart. You have to get an actual jeweler, put it under a microscope, and say, this is the diamond, this is the lab grown. So it grows in a lab. It's a process. Yeah. Right.

But the man-made ones don't really maintain their value. So if you spend $10,000 some man-made diamonds, some lab-made diamonds, you try to sell them a year later. might only get $3,000, $2,000 for whatever. The diamonds do maintain their value, but the price has been going down. So it kind of gets to a point where if you can't tell it apart, the human element doesn't matter anymore. You see what I'm saying? If you just simply can't decipher it, it won't matter. I feel you.

But I think at least part of the fantasy of why guys like porn. stars is that they like to them. Like part of the enjoyment is that they know that this girl is actually willing to do this. And that's not something that you can get from AI. So I feel like there's still going to be, you know, a lot of guys who gravitate towards like real human beings, people that they feel like they can authenticate. But it also might be, you know, you know, what if my girl could film 10 porn scenes by just running a fucking computer program and, you know, she doesn't even have to. do it, just you have to get out of bed. In theory, she could be the one controlling that content, although typically, I would say

a lot of that money tends to flow up towards the business owners and not the content creators, even though OnlyFans has kind of been a rejection of that in a way. But, I mean, it's just going to be when it's completely indecipherable. Like, I've looked at IG pages, and it took me a second to realize it's not a real girl. And this is still early in the process At the point where it's like It's you can't tell it apart You got to

You got to sit there and decipher it And look at the backgrounds And look at the pixels and you know At first it's like oh okay This girl has six fingers Okay this is AI There's six fingers here This picture of like Trump

With a whole bunch of black women like one of like seven fingers yeah yeah they're all they couldn't do the fingers for a while but I feel like they're probably past that they're past the finger stage yeah the fingers are cool now what's the coolest thing you've ever used AI for

um nothing really cool but I can't say that I used to hire you know that writers part of their full-time job was writing up uh summations of our clips and now that's done through AI and I found that out of

a while back because I asked you, I go, do you really have somebody sitting here right in these fucking YouTube descriptions for every clip? Yeah, and I said yes. Well, at one point, but for years it was yes. Right. Well, because I felt like, okay, well, there should be a write-up because that could possibly help the search algorithm or whatever else, right? But now it's like the fuck is the point.

So that was pretty cool. Other than that, really nothing. What about you? I've had a few cool ones recently. Like, there was this weird little piece of metal. you're trying to make me smoke I mean you can tell I got overly high I don't know why that just smack

people see me smoke all the time on the No Jumbers show that Vlad TV strain y'all that Vlad TV strain just having me going straight coming soon I'm going to make that announcement soon don't you want to try it oh you want to try this is the weed expert right here okay all right

you dropped it party foul there was a this like weird little like metal tag that me and Lennon like had found in one of our pieces of luggage or whatever, and she was saying that she thought it was a security tag so that you didn't shoplift the item or whatever. And I'm like,

that doesn't make any sense because you could just take it out of the thing. Like, you know, like a security tag is always like bolted on there. So if you want to remove it, you have to use pliers and shit like that. I've known people who did that shit over the years. And she disagreed with me.

And like, you know, we were about to like give up on the conversation because there's just, we weren't going to be able to figure it out. And then I just took a picture of it and gave it to chat GBT. And it gave me. so much information about this particular security tag because I was wrong.

And that was just nice. Like, you know, there's a couple other ones recently that stood out to me where it's just like I'll see something and just be confused about it. And it's not like a question I can ask Google. But if I just upload the photo to chat GBC, it'll just tell me everything about it. Yeah, man. I'm looking forward to it. I think there's going to be some dope shit that comes from it.

Yeah, for sure. But, I mean, there's something that just hurts. you and your soul about about AI too like yeah how's the wait oh okay I got it got like when you listen to a song on Twitter or whatever and then you realize afterwards that you just listen to an AI song that is such an upsetting feeling like I just invested so much effort and and just I invested so much caring into listening to this Drake song and then to find out that it wasn't actually him and then I've been hoodwinked. It's like deeply upsetting. I don't know if I've ever been fooled by a song. I mean, has there been a hit song,

AAI yet? The worst experience I had with it was the Kanye not, what was it, like that remix. Somebody sent me the Kanye liked that remix while I was in New York for this like weed event or whatever last year. And we listened to it. I even played it for Math Hoffa and all of his co-hosts. They all said it was AI. Math was kind of on the fence, but like Mecca and Gat and them, like they were not, they were not going for it. You know Mecca, he's just like super like laying the law down. Just like super hardcore.

He was like, nah, it's AI. This shit ain't real. Whatever. The next day I played it for a few other people and they started to be like, yeah, you know, this does seem real. And so like I can leaked it and John Monopoly hit me up right away and was just like, yo, like, we want to put this on DSPs or whatever. He wasn't mad about it at all.

But that was like a weird one because it's like I sat on the song for like over 24 hours because I thought that it might have been AI and I didn't want to look stupid by putting it out there. But it was real. It was real. Yeah. Okay. But he mentioned Lucien and it. And apparently, according to Kanye, that's why Future and them never put it on DSPs because

they don't want smoke with the most powerful. Jews in the industry. Yeah, I mean, you have to be first. There has to be a first for it to be normalized. So at the point that there's a hit song, that's AI, and I think eventually that will happen, right? Then it's like, that'll be taking seriously as a genre. There are allegations that Playboy Cardi used AI.

on his album for some of the songs. I think he denied it. But there's people making a very good case saying that it was used in that way. And yeah, I mean, that is a weird feeling too because it's like, you know, we lost Juice World. I would love to listen to more Juice World music throughout my life, despite him being gone. But the idea of listening to like the best version of it that AI and maybe like his fans working together could come up with. I don't know. Maybe I'm just old school, but I feel like I would just not even click play.

Like I just wouldn't even try it. But what if it was like heralded? Pitchforsed writing reviews about the fake Juice World album. And I feel like I'm being left out by not listening to it. Because the songs are hits. They're on the radio. Like that could happen. Yeah, you're not even choosing to listen to it.

It's just being bombarded. Yeah, you fall in love with it. All of a sudden it's your favorite album. And you're like, what the fuck is going on? I'm being sucked into my dead friend. AI album because the music is that good. That could happen. There's this guy named Ace Bane.

He's like, you know about it, right? Impersonations and shit. He did one of Flacco, I think, somebody from the jumper that was so fucking funny. Right, so he does these animations. Yeah. So he dropped this one video of me interviewing Trump.

Hmm. And a lot of times people take clips of my audio from my other interviews and sort of insert them and build like the fake video, the fake interview around it. So I thought that's what that was. But then I'm specifically talking about things in the video. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is. I'm like, is this AI?

And I called him, he's like, yeah. He's like, we kept modeling your voice until we got it. And I'm like, yeah, I really thought this was me. And I listen to my, it's not going to listen to myself when doing, you know, titles and stuff. So I'm used to hearing my voice outside of my head. And I really thought it was me. So if you think about it, since I'm behind the camera,

I could keep doing interviews when I'm not really there. You may have to sit there and say, did Vlad really do this one? Or was this Sean Prez? But, you know what I mean? Like, for example, I mean, look, like people, a lot of times, people are like, oh, I go to Vlad TV here, Vlad. I could literally have an army of interviewers and that I can just make all of them be Vlad.

Really, you could do that while you're still alive and just save a ton of time. That's what I'm saying. While I'm still alive. But a huge part of the interview is like being reactive and it would be much harder to write an AI that was able to impersonate your personality. Not an impersonation. Have someone else do the interview. Okay. And then just AI the voice.

Yeah. That could be possible. So anyone could do it as long as they kind of understand. Any Vlad TV fan could do it. All right. So I was thinking about this the other day. is like if I die, I have a Snapchat account and we make a good amount of Snapchat as do you guys, whatever.

And like, but I have like my personal Snapchat monetized as well. And it's like I have a company that helps me with it. So it's not me posting on there every day. Like I post a bunch of stuff, but then they're also posting their own stuff, whatever. If I die, why would they stop running this account and just giving the money to my family or whatever? Same thing with like, we've got Facebook page. I've never looked at it. I know there's a ton of people watching no jumper content on Facebook.

All these things are probably just going to continue to exist and be monetized. And like, why would I put a stop to them if I died? It could just be like best of type content the same way that you'll see all these dead people who have Twitter accounts. Like there's just some guy from their like foundation or whatever that's like posting quotes from their books or their podcast appearances or whatever on Twitter. Why not? I mean, this now, I mean, it is kind of weird because Twitter's not monetized. but for the monetized platforms, why not? And that's even without AI.

The idea of using AI to create even more content using this person's likeness. I mean, it kind of reminds me when Fulio got killed and his mom was like using the account. But that was the mom, that was posting? I think it was the mom and that she had somebody else helping her out with it or whatever. But, you know, they're getting brand deals from weed companies right after he dies and they're uploading them. Really? And it's like they're making a bunch of money. for the family at a time when they need it when the

kid just got killed. And it's like in a way it's super morbid and strange and they're just leaving comments using the Fulio account etc. But then on another hand it's like Why not? Why not? We live in this crazy new world. I'm sure

that Fulio would be okay with his mom doing that. For sure. You know, I mean if he came back let's just say the life, hey, while you were gone, you'd be like, okay, that's cool. You want to use my account? My family wants to use my account, make some money. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah, man. It's going to be an interesting world. You know, we're not quite there yet, though. We're not quite there. It's still, it's still formulating. But, you know, but you're starting to see, you know, like, for example, I hope one day I could take all my life story interviews, like especially like the gangster interviews and so forth and have AI just create a documentary out of it where everything is enacted.

Right. There's a lot of documentary editors. out there just heard that and are like, thanks, Vlad. We would have appreciated getting paid for that sort of content. But you could do that version of it as well, but it's kind of a cool idea to think that the AI could just do all the work. Well, yeah, you'd be able to say, okay, here's an interview with, you know, Freeway Ricky Ross. Like, here's my first Freeway Freeway Ricky interview where he kind of breaks out his whole life story.

make me a documentary or make me a movie where this story is laid out in a movie along with dialogue and so forth yeah they say okay cool you see it you know it's got a few good parts in it

make me a hundred more because it's just as easy as making that one I'll just chug out a hundred more and all of it will be unique so you can say okay I want to take a piece from each of these

and you know boom slap it together Now you have movie. Yeah, definitely. Okay, think about yourself in comparison to like a 50 cent. You both had the bright idea to make some content, but you went straight to YouTube primarily and made the content on there. You profit as a result. You've obviously built something great for yourself and everything like that.

But when you look at 50, it's kind of like he had the same idea as you. Let's do content about BMF. You do the super raw, uncut, long-form version of it where you just interview every person you can get your hands on. It was involved with the BMF thing. He does the super high-end version of it where he creates this whole show for Showtime or whatever the fuck it was. When you look at that, does that sometimes feel like maybe that would have been a good route? Or is that route still available? and do you have any kind of urge to maybe do something like that?

Because that shit is super palatable in a way that like a two-hour raw interview just isn't, you know? And I sometimes think about that for myself as well. Well, I mean, we, I have a deal with the production company. We're working on something with Vlad TV. That's like a Netflix caliber type thing. But this type of thing, you know, but it's not like, yeah, and it's about to come out. I've had these types of conversations in various deals like this over the years

that ultimately didn't pan out. So it's not like, I feel like, oh, this is the one. It's like, okay, you know, if this comes together the way, you know, with a dope product, then yeah, it could definitely fly.

But, you know, it's, the way that 50 did it took years to put together. Yeah. Right? Like, he talked about how he put little meatch at acting school. See what I'm saying?

So it's like, okay, you have to first get the life rights to Big Meach and Southwest Tea, I believe. Yeah. You know, or one of them, I don't know how it works. And then you then have the sun, so you get the sun on board. Everyone's signing paperwork. You know, people are signing off all types of rights. you're putting this person, you know, you're probably, you know, payrolling Little Meach to be an acting school.

You then have to find the right network that will work with you on this and get the writer and the director and, you know, and so forth, and get the budget behind it and so forth. Basically, it's good to be 50 cent when you're doing all that shit. Now, when you're 50, a lot of these things get fast-tracked. Of course. It's not getting fast-tracked. me.

Yeah. We're not getting fast track with you. From the ground up. We have to prove because we don't have any TV experience. We don't have any experience selling 100 million records. We're not celebrities on the caliber of a 50 that could promote things and so forth. So he had him being 50 and the ability probably to spend his own money in the beginning and so forth.

And look, ultimately, I'm sure the majority of the money came from season 2, 3, 4, like in the beginning, no one's really making any money. You know, not to say I know what his deal is that I don't, but I'm saying in the beginning, like everyone's doing it because once it gets into the multiple seasons, that's when the real money starts. You know, that's when the bigger audience comes in and so forth. So yeah, man, I mean, salute to what he's pulled off, but that's not really the way I like putting shit together.

I like putting together content and within a week, it's out there. you know it's out in the world i don't like this whole multi-year preparation and stuff like that it's not really my style and i understand you can create really dope shit doing that it's just not my thing even like doing more high production quality stuff like when we did the reality show where the guys competed to bang my wife or whatever that was just like three days i think it was only two days to make four episodes and yeah they got like a million views each they did quite well but dude it's so torturous just being out of the sets

and just having to deal with that and just having to just be on other people's time and it takes them forever to set the shit up I'm just so conditioned to showing up and doing a two hour podcast and then just going home and then boom I get to put the two hour piece of content out and I read the

comments and look at how many likes it got and it feels good and I know a lot of people have those like big ambitious high production dreams but at the same time I don't know it just feels like

this is kind of just like where I'm at what I'm good at and it's like I guess I can imagine taking on something that's like a bigger idea

but I don't I don't really see myself putting in the work required sometimes not even the work sometimes it's just you know like we were supposed to have a 20 versus one right right

with an NBA player and I know that fell through right the whole thing fell through he he told us I think the morning of he doesn't want to do it. Wow, man. Girls were coming.

We had catering. We had security. We had people, you know, that were going to be working on the weekend. And it was just like, the fuck. Yeah. Like the,

I'm not going to say who it is. Y'all can figure out who's been on Vlad TV who's playing the NBA and y'all can come to your own conclusions. But I'm just saying, and like, I paid him. He hasn't paid me back yet. Like,

you see, it's just a bunch of shit. Like, that's just really just disappointing. And you're like, man, I'm going back to my production. I know my crew, one person shows up. I know how to conduct this interview. I know it'll do numbers. Like, I know especially, you know, if it's this person,

I know how to kind of formulate it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I interviewed Lou Diamond Phillips recently. I saw that. The actor. I interviewed Stephen Baldwin recently. So that's just like dope to me. How are you getting those kind of things?

things from outside your usual network? We started working with this one company that kind of specializes in that type of thing. Okay. You know, Swarfs Strickland, the wrestler. Uh-huh.

You know, we just interviewed him. Nice. You know, that's about to come out. So, yeah, you know,

you just try to, that's the whole thing of, the CliTV YouTube master class. Because, you know, there's really, like, getting guests is really a,

an ongoing process. that sometimes spans years. You know, I've had guests that it took me, like me and Michael Rappaport, I think I was talking to him for like five years or something by the time he did the interview, the first interview. When did he first do it? The first interview was like maybe, I don't know, five years ago or something.

Oh, I had no idea that was his first interview. I think I just assumed that he had done a lot over the years. Now, he did another one maybe like last year sometime. Yeah, yeah. Like six months ago. Right. But that first one, yeah, it took, We had each other's phone numbers and we were talking about it for year after year after year after year

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Just to go back to the 20 versus one thing, you know what? Yeah. What we fucked up, we thought everybody's doing 20 versus ones. We got to do this from the plug talk perspective. So we did a couple different episodes. One of them was with Adriana Chechick, who obviously is like a huge name in the porn industry and everything. And we thought it made so much sense.

We're going to get a girl. And the other two, we're going to. did were like more just like cute Instagram chicks whatever but it turns out nobody gives a if it's just a bunch of dudes talking to a girl it has to be girls a bunch of girls talking to a dude because we had like you know high-end chicks like really hot chicks and nobody gives up so much of it is from the male perspective because the audience is 90% male and they just want to like basically view the world through the perspective of a popular lit or rich rapper or whatever, Boosie, Vonov, 1700, Woody, whatever, whoever it is this week.

And they just want to like see the way girls engage with these dudes, which I think it also like just plays into the curiosity that a lot of guys have of like what it is like to be a more high value male than they are. You know, like they want to know what it's like to be a rapper and to be able to not give a fuck about the 20 girls that are standing in front of you, which is typically the vibe. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's being a public figure of any kind sort of changes the dynamics. I think changes the confidence level of men. You see what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, being glad the computer programmer was definitely a lot of anxiety around women. Now I feel like I don't really have that. Right. Same thing. Yeah. When I was in my mid-20s or whatever, a lot of you want to get chicks, you want to figure out how you can get the most high-quality chicks possible. but you know you need to work on yourself. You know you haven't really like proven yourself business-wise or whatever.

There's just like such a vote of confidence that being like high profile and like, you know, well-known on the internet at least that like it'll give you in terms of like it just being like verification that you're a high-quality mate prospect for women. I was thinking about this the other day. I have a question for you. I was actually going to ask you next time you came on Vlad TV, but. I think this is an interesting question here. Oh, yeah. So you and your wife have always had a situation where threesomes are allowed on camera,

as well as you doing porn scenes on your own, right? A little bit. A little bit. I've really only done porn on my own when it was, like, required. She was recovering from a surgery. Yeah, she was sick. Whatever. She was sick, yeah.

Okay. So, and that's worked great for you guys. tomorrow morning you guys wake up she looks at you and she says this was fun moving forward I only want a monogamous relationship how would you react to that she has raised this question before

oh so this is not new this is not new territory that we're exploring here no no I mean that was the best reaction ever it probably is new territory sorry for like on camera but i mean honestly would that be a little bit of an adjustment for sure but yeah ultimately i feel like you know what i've i've made my choice with this chick i'm riding it out you know it's just like i i feel so like just connected to her that i can't really imagine myself wanting to switch shit up or wanted to end it over something

something like that's that frivolous as you know also just like I mean I've just had so much sex the past few years in particular that it just doesn't really seem that intriguing now were I to not any new chicks for a year would it maybe be a little bit more intriguing sure probably but I also just feel like I'm so much more attracted to my wife than the average girl that we work with that I don't know and maybe that's partially just like the built up emotional connection

and everything obviously that's gonna make you feel more attracted to somebody but I don't know I mean just like I'm a lot less intrigued by new I'm a lot of been at one point of my life

great answer a little burnt out yeah it's a great answer I'm sure she's going to watch this and be like aye see about that buddy no but I do think that me and her probably like

if we weren't doing porn all the time, we would probably be doing a little bit more explorative sexual shit in our free time. But I feel like it's very common in the porn world that you get people who are like swingers, they're in the lifestyle,

whatever, and then they get into porn and then now they're not swinging and they're not in the lifestyle anymore because they just like get all their shit out of their system on camera. You know, it's just kind of, it scratches that itch to the point where people don't really like,

I know a million dudes, not a million, but I've had a lot of conversations with dudes where they were the bull who's getting flown out by some couple in Mississippi where the guy wants to watch this big-eyes-black dude bang his wife. So that's really a thing? Oh yeah, that's the whole thing.

Where does this come? But I was going to say those guys then become porn stars and then they never do shit like that again. What is the, like, what is the appeal of, watching a dude be a woman. What is that about? There's never been something that's ever really just entered my head.

I mean, probably not something. And you know something now that I think about it, you've actually done it. Yeah, of course. Right. Yeah, okay. I figured that that was implied within that question. I wasn't thinking about that. No, no, no.

Yeah, sorry. I mean, I'm high right now. Honestly, there's something that I want you to watch off camera. this new porn brand called Wifey that, uh, I think Vixen created it. And it's basically like a super high quality porn that is based around the hot wiping experience, which to them is separate from the cuck experience because like a cuck wants to basically like be humiliated while watching the guy,

his girl. Hot wifing is more of like a respectful type thing where, And I probably am fucking a slut because it's probably more complicated than that. But like they're where like the guy is treated with respect, but he also wants to see his wife get by a guy who presumably is physically dominant over him or whatever. But yo, let me tell you the craziest shit the other day. We shoot a plug talk scene of this girl. Super hot.

She's got a guy with her. Super fat. No shots. But he's a big ass fat dude, right? And so I'm not even thinking that this is her boyfriend. But, you know, I go on to figure. that out and she's talking at length in the interview about how he's a cook and how he's super down like he loves it and so we were looking at her content that night just like looking at her

website or whatever and she does videos where big ass dudes would be fucking the shit out of it and this fool is just sitting there on the couch in the video right next to it and then there's even one where she's bent over this dude's banging her from behind and the boyfriend is laying with his head right under her vagina while this fucking dude is banging her out. And he's just, this is his thing. He just loves it. Do they ever, I mean, I would assume probably, they probably got something going on. They got some kind of arrangement.

Or is that all he's getting? I mean, I would assume he's hitting it as well. But I mean. Is he, though? I don't know. Is he though? Either way, I feel like a lot of dudes just, Like, okay, I understand how my wife enjoys watching me another girl.

Yeah. She likes seeing me get pleasure, and she's confident enough in our relationship that if there's some girl giving me crazy head, she can look at that and I can see it in her eyes that she's enjoying watching me have pleasure sexually, even if she's not the one directly administrating it. And I understand how guys could be open-minded enough, I guess, to appreciate that, even though myself, it's always been like such a mixed thing. Like, you know, I watched the Jason Love scene with her and I kind of enjoyed watching it, but I kind of also like didn't want to see it. It was like I had such mixed feelings about it. But then I can, but I can say that the times that we've been,

that me and another dude have banged my wife on camera together, I was all in. No problem at all. Like, it was a great time. Didn't have any kind of qualms about it. But, yeah, I was kind of surprised how, like, into it I got because I never really, like, saw myself doing that. But then when it actually came time to do it on camera, I was like, okay, yeah, this is cool. Like, the Kanye Cuck stories, are those true? What are those?

So, apparently the girl that you guys used to manage. Sky Bree. Yeah. I guess did something where she said that. Kanye had reached out to her to get like the most endowed porn star she knew to have sex with his wife. Wow, I didn't know that. That's crazy.

I know she signed an NBA with him at one point and then never actually hung out with them. But I didn't know that she said that. But yeah, there's like this one. I think that's what she said. There's one dude. Dred. I interviewed Dred.

Who's basically the biggest gun slinger in the game these days. Okay. Yeah. And Super Nets. Actually kind of bizarre how so many of the dudes with the biggest are just like the most chill laid back. Yeah, bro. Like they're just super laid back, chill, nice, friendly guys.

I'm not a lot of male porn star friends over the years. Yeah, they always just chilling. Like, yo, I'm fucking, I don't have any sexual pent up, you know. You know, what do you call the dudes who don't, who can't have sex? In cells. In cells, right. Yeah. It's like the opposite of being.

all right? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of aggression to be had when you're not getting laid. If you're over-sexed, it's kind of easy to be sort of laid back, you know? A lot of guys, like, that's like the explanation for their aggression or their, like, moody demeanor is, like, the fact that they either have to work a little too hard for sex or they're, like, sort of deep down, unhappy with their sexual situation, I would assume. I feel like this is, this is me being, you know, I'm sure this is going to be viewed as racist, but this is like my actual, what I have always seen growing up in the Bay Area.

You always have relatively attractive Asian women with really fucked up looking white dudes. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like if it was not for these Asian women, these guys would like shot up some schools and some shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Like really done some fucked up shit.

And these women have saved. them in terms of letting loose on society. Yeah, they're caretakers. They're level-headed, reasonable. An Asian woman comes into a man's life and gives him a sense of order that he's probably just not going to get

from another white woman who's been raised to be, you know, somewhere on the gender feminist spectrum or whatever. I think a lot of these white guys kind of enjoy a little bit more. Like, I can say I appreciate that with the Armenian. woman. That was kind of like the main thing I noticed early on is like, oh, she's very down to serve and be the woman, you know,

in a way that like a lot of the girls that I was around when I was younger, just, you know, they kind of just got their head up their ass and they want to just be doing their own thing or whatever. Like to be in a relationship with somebody who wanted to settle down and have kids was kind of shocking in me because I was just hanging out with all these

bar hounds who just, you know, they're just, they want nothing in life, but to get fucking thrashed and snort coke and just bar hound a word i mean a lot of people know what i what i mean that that type man just the the visual of that just i'll do like a saint bernard like you know big floppy ears and shit like i mean many times over the yes i would meet a girl from the bar and the you know super hot nice personality when you're also drunk and then like i would get their number or we end up going back to the house and fucking some night or whatever and

it would kind of start to come upon me in my head like fuck like maybe I could like see this girl or like date her or whatever and I'll try to hang out of them like on a Monday night where we weren't drinking and they were just like so uncomfortable and weird and like at the first opportunity they want to get drunk and that's when I realized like oh a lot of these girls that you meet at the bar are like full blown alcoholics like they could barely even function without alcohol Which was kind of weird for me. I was more of like a casual drinker, you know. I've never really been a drink.

Yeah, I just never really. You know, I'll drink when I feel like it's almost a requirement. Right. Like, you know, like an industry party, like you open bar, everybody's drinking, I'm going to drink. A lot of times in those situations still, though, I won't drink. And it's its own challenge because it's just so much harder to like mingle with like a shitload of people when you're sober, like full blown sober. Yeah, that's true. It's just like, it's.

its own thing. And then all of a sudden it's two in the morning. And it's like, why am I not in bed? Like, what the fuck am I doing? This is insane. Like, it's so hard for me to still be like coherent at two in the morning, especially if I've been smoking. I don't know. But, um, yeah, okay. What, uh, what's your take on? I have so many questions that we didn't talk about because we've just been talking about so much random bullshit, which is great. I love it. But so many of these just sound like interview questions, which I'm trying to avoid. But I did see that you were critical of me platforming Orlando Brown. Yeah.

Totally understand where you're coming from. Yeah. Explain that position. Why is Orlando Brown someone that is not worthy of being platformed? I mean, you know, he's not saying, like, safe. Like, you know, like, this is not a sane person. Like, when you turn off the camera, that act, like, doesn't stop, right? I don't know.

I did see him show up and he seemed sober that day. And then he just starts drinking. And then he's, like, a completely different person. You know, like Orlando's crazy in real life. Yeah. Like, and it took, because we did one interview with him and it went, like, viral. I didn't do the interview. Okay.

So I'm like, I'm going to do the next one because this one's, like, doing crazy numbers. And this seemed like he's an interesting character. I did the interview a person and I'm like, okay, he's really crazy in real life. Like the crew he came with? Really? Yeah.

It was, listen, it was a lot going on. But I'm just saying, like, after that, I said, all right, like, to keep putting him on, I'm taking advantage of, like, a mentally disabled person, pretty much. Like, that's how I view it.

So that's why I was like, yeah, like, if I was, Adam, I want to put him on, not in any sort of mean way, and I understand, like, he's trying to make his way and trying to make money and whatever else, it's just like, and you've seen, so that the train wrecks along the way, where he'll just

be wandering the streets, like, with one shoe on, and you know what I'm saying? Well, Lush said that he used to sell meth to Orlando Brown, and that they smoked meth to get. Right. I mean, like, you deal with a meth head, like, that's, I mean.

Well, lefty gunfell. plays a Mepha. Is he? They caught him with meth in Texas. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, Lepsy also is a musician that's putting out projects. I mean, he's on Kendrick's album.

Yep. Right? Four words. Hey, man, he's still on a great song. Hey, man, come on. You can't. Wack brought that up to him. Like, come on.

Like, no one, even if you hate the guy, you got to give him credit for being on that song. No, I mean, I think the, me and Wack have kind of agreed that his music sucks. He sucks at rapping at this point. That could change in the future. But that was why I think it was so hilarious to us that he only got four words on the album because everybody else who was featured on the album

got full verses. And I feel like when I realized Lefty was on the album, I rushed to hear it because I just couldn't imagine someone that bad at rapping, rapping with Kendrick, someone that good at rapping. And now I've been trying to honestly, like, I don't want to, like, inflame and encourage the whole Lefty Beef saga because I never wanted to not get along with the guy in the first place.

He just started talking shit right after I did the interview and I felt like I had to fight back. I'm not like whack where I feel like lefty's one person. He seems like he's down to just war with forever. Right. I mean, he did get it. Yeah, I mean, I did interview with him. Yeah, I know.

Yeah. I saw a few clips. Yeah, I mean, look, think about this. Think about how many people, because, okay, I remember Lefty was like, yo, I was just in the studio of Kendrick. They were like, you know, but he signed an NDA, so don't mention it. Yeah, right? Same thing here.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember that for somebody. I remember one point I said, you know, I remember I made a tweet and I was like, you won't believe who Kendrick was in the studio. And that was like front page on Reddit. And they were like, yo, bro, can you take that down? They're like, yeah, they're like, yo, this might pick up our shit.

Like, okay, no problem, I just take down to it. You know, I never said lefty, right? But think about this. When you think about how you only got four words, think about all the different artists that came through that studio and lay down verses and choruses and whatever else that Kendrick just scrapped. But we don't know that there was anybody aside. Like, there's no other, like, underground L.A.

rappers that are like, damn, I showed up, and I didn't get my first on the project. It seems like everybody he called in for that album got their shine. Now, I'm sure that he did a million songs with Schoolboy Q and all these other fucking people that just probably recorded all kinds of stuff with. I don't know. I think you sign a NDA. I mean, think about it, right? Like, yeah, okay, some people could be like, you know, I went to Kendrick.

He didn't use my shit. But then other people would be like, I went to the studio with Kendrick. we actually met up. I laid down some shit. We talked, whatever else. I signed the NDA. And he didn't use this, but he might call me up and do some other shit. You know what I'm saying?

Now I'm establishing a relationship. I'm not just going to jump out the window for a couple minutes of clout and that up. Right. You see what I'm saying? I bet you a lot of people came to that studio. And he chose that. And he chose those four words, which I think kind of add to the song. It's just if you could hear, you know, the 16 bars that preceded those four words.

or came after I don't know at what point in the verse it's just like lefty just got to learn to rap at some point like his flow is just all over the place and I don't know why I subscribed to his YouTube channel like very early on when I interviewed him and so every time he dropped something I see it every single time I click it and I'm just wondering like is he gonna rap good on this shit and every time shit is just off beat weird doing all this different shit and I just I feel like he's such a star but he really hasn't made like almost any song that have really like made an impact um i know he's got songs with millions of views and stuff i just feel like you know his career is going to be kind of short-lived if he doesn't figure out how to actually

rap better and i also feel like if he keeps getting arrested that's going to be a problem because uh he got that meth thing in texas he just got it picked up for a 2023 gun case uh out here rolling loud before his performance he got picked up yeah that was like a gun case or some shit i I don't know if they just caught him running around with it, but, you know, he's a felon. So getting caught with a gun, pretty big deal. We'll see what happens with that. Hey, man, listen, I think you're given an opportunity. And I think most people will take it seriously.

And that means stepping up on the rapping, you know, coming, you know, you see your views going down. But I feel like a lot of times it's just like, man, doesn't really matter how good or bad you rap. Like, look at the new Cardi album. But Cardi's like... It's like all over the place. He's like on beat at least. Like, Lefty just sounds like he's listening to a different instrumental when he's rapping. And I feel like it's just like, Cardi is trying to do so little, but he succeeds at what he's doing.

Yeah. Lefty is trying to rap as if he's like a virtuoso. And then when it actually comes out, it just sounds like vomit. Look, man. He got his own style. You know, and at the end of the day, he's got fans behind the shit. He showed up on Kendrick's shit. He was supposed to perform at Rolling Loud.

Yeah. Think about how, is there any other Mexican rapper that was performing at Rolling Loud outside of him? Drex the Joint. I think he was there. Okay. The Mower. Who? Devour.

Okay. All right. So he's part of a very small group. A very small group, for sure. Why do you think black people make such better music than Mexican people in the rap game? I don't agree. I feel like... Very few Hispanic stars.

Well, okay, let's think about it. And we can throw white people in there, too. We seem like we're the worst out. Well, when you think about some of my all-time favorite rappers, I said this on Bool-Lay-Kev show is Be Real from Cyprus Hill. For sure. All-time favorite, period. Really?

Ross black, white, Mexican, just hip hop, period. Be Real is one of my all-time favorite rappers. I think it would be real, but my top 10, for sure, all brothers. Okay. So Eminem is not in your top 10? No way. Really? Eminem.

I respect the shit out of Eminem and everything, and I have listened to them a lot back in high school and shit, but... Okay. Realistically, he ain't scratch. Big pun. No way. Skill-wise? Big pun. You want to talk about who's the greatest skilled,

lyricist of all time. Sure, I mean, you probably got to put both of them in there or whatever, but I'm talking about, like, rap, my top ten of rappers who have mattered to me throughout my life. Okay, right. So you're going to throw the XXs and Tasianans in there, juice worlds in there. Rest a piece to them, but no. No? I mean, in terms of, like, what I've listened to the

most and, like, that I, I mean, juice world for sure, definitely a juice world I listen to a lot of in my life. X, I fucked with him so much, and I thought he's a genius. but it wasn't necessarily like my thing outside. A lot of the early stuff, a lot of the sing-songy stuff later on

didn't really necessarily do it for me. I told him. This ain't really my bag, but I'm with you as a person, but this is a little outside of my area of interest. But, you know, obviously then I see Kylie Jenner posting sat on her Snapchat story, and I'm like, oh, okay.

Maybe he's on to something. And then obviously became one of the biggest. So who are in your top ten? I mean, I'll probably start with like Tupac, J, Nas, 50, Cameron. A big part of me wants to put Young Thug in there, just because he's been so important to me as a rap fan. Put Chief Keefe in there if we're going top 10. Okay.

I'd be tempted to put Jada kiss in there. I don't want to like miss. Oh, Gucci. If we're doing top 10, Gucci, got to go in there. I don't want to miss any, like, eras in my life. But it's probably something like there, but it's definitely more people that I'm forgetting. But, yeah. For sure, I'm not putting Eminem there.

No offense. Love, Yam, but. I'd put Eminem in my top ten. I stopped listening to them after, like, high school. Like, the Slim Sadie show? White America! Well, I was up on Eminemps. before Dr. Dre found him.

Yeah, I was in like eighth grade when his aftermath debut dropped. I purchased the Slim Shady EP which he put out independently through sandbox automatic. There was a website where you could buy like underground vinyl and CDs or whatever else.

And I just remember listening to it going like this guy's brilliant. Like what he's doing like there is a song about him killing his baby mother and getting rid of the body. Right.

With his daughter in the car with him the whole time. Like, you know, just the craziness around it. And it's like, nobody else was doing that. Like, nobody in hip hop was talking about this type of shit. But think about it. Like, I'm sure there's lots of men in hip hop already that had all types of crazy drama with their kids' mothers. Yeah.

But no one rapped about it like that, you know, until Eminem did it. I just felt like, yeah, just skill level. He was just sort of better than everyone else. It was like, I feel like that was also still very much a time where you needed a cosign. And obviously, Dodger Dre is about the biggest co-sign you can get at that time. And then he's unbelievably skilled as a lyricist, but then he's also got an incredibly strong narrative.

He's doing great song, you know, storytelling and like conceptually and everything. And then, you know, he made a bunch of hit records too. I guess that's part of my problem with him, too, is like, hi, my least favorite hip-hop song of all time. I hate that song. Every time I hear it, it pains me until the song is done. I hate it. And the fact that he used that as the debut single on his most recent project, I found deeply upsetting. That song is like nails on the chalkboard to me.

And I don't know if anybody else agrees with me. I never really like that song. I hate it with all my heart. No, I've never, you know, but then again, once again, I was already listed. I heard some of that album because the Slim Shady LP took a bunch of songs that were already on the EP. Not all of them, but a few of them made it on to the final product. So I've heard some of the songs before. So by time that came out, I'm like, oh, okay, this is like kind of the warm-up single, but like I know that he has better shit.

So, yeah, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, so, you know, you and I are both right. You know? It's just preference. We're both right. Yeah. And, you know, I put it in my top ten. I think it'd be insincere if I did. Hmm.

I guess Drake probably deserves a place in my talk to. Even though my problem with Drake has always been that I just don't. You got a white guy on your list. There you go. Yeah, no. He's still a brother to me. He's half. It's good enough.

But my whole thing is, I don't like half Drake's music because it's just too soft for me. Like, I can go for like, a little bit of R&B, sort of, but I need it to be like a little bit more uptempo. All that super slow shit just does not do it for me. So it's like my favorite Drake album is, uh, if you're reading this, it's too late or whatever. The one with the like handwritten shit. Yeah. Yeah.

That's actually my favorite Drake album. That's my favorite album because when I listen to it, it's just like 10 songs in a row of just like self-empowerment, confidence boosting. Like I could actually be in like a very dark place. and that would probably be the album I would think of to like yank me out of that. It's all just like pure energy confidence music in a way that I just like, you know, and then I went and saw Drake live

and like he spends like the first 20 minutes just playing a ton of slow jams. And it's like my girl don't like that shit either. So it's like kind of a letdown for us, even though I know that's a lot of people's favorite Drake music, you know, but I guess that's part of his brilliance is that he's got such a big audience because he can hit on so many different markets. The new album, what's the song?

Hold on a second. How do you like that album overall? I like some of the joints on there. I like the singles. Hold on. The give me a hug one, the Nokia one. Those are like the really popular ones are like that. Die trying.

Because me and party next door, we DM sometimes. So I hit him up. I say, yo, this album's been on repeat and die trying. That's my shit. You know, he responded. but that song I think is brilliant. That song, there's a couple of songs on there. I think what he did is interesting

because it's like, I, while you doing all this beef, whatever shit, I'm going to go back to my girl music. Right. You know, just do a total girl album. You know, because it's like, it's easy in a situation like this to get out of your character

and suddenly make music to Kendrick instead of to your audience. And I think that's kind of what Jowruh was doing when him and 50 were going at it. He suddenly felt like he had to make music to 50 as opposed to saying, my biggest hits is like always on time. I call it beef shit.

Like I didn't make any money doing the beef shit. Like I'm a mega star because of these huge girls songs, pop songs, whatever. doing shit with Jennifer Lopez and yeah whatever this 50 shit still feels like on that project you didn't really end up with like a bunch of hits

off it though right what do you mean the Drake album I'm sure it's done well on everything but I don't feel like any one song really like jumped out and became the forerunner which I feel like that's part of what he really needs is just like a massive song right now would just really help to speed up time and get

us past all of the bullshit that he sort of dealt with this year? Party Next Door has never really been a big you know that really had big songs that ever got to the top of the charts like that. This is the first time it's ever happened. That's like Drake. And Drake has done songs with him. So think about that.

So I think it's like, I don't know, I almost feel like Drake did it because it's like I want to throw it out there. If it doesn't do huge numbers, I'm going to say, well, that's because it's me because it's me. Right. So it's almost like a warm just to see what the temperature is and then when he drops his solo album that's what we're going to see whether Drake has exceeded you know where we thought he was or whether he's on a decline right yeah that will be interesting um okay I got a piss like a racehorse um we did about three hours seems pretty good yeah right very good episode great talking to you as usual first time we smoke I just smoked a lot more than me

I've got a little bit over high there. Hey, so this is, I'm not going to say what this is yet, but I got my own strain. You know what I'm saying? And this is King Louis. Yeah. This is a, this is a, a king Louis strain.

Put Vlad and a blunt. Put Vlad on a blunt and a joint. This will be in seven different states. And you, you see how this is affecting. This is, you see how Adam's been affected off just a couple of puffs. I feel like you're still high.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you put meth in there. I used to smoke coke blunts. Really? Not all the time, but like here and there, yeah. I've never tried cocaine in my life. I can honestly say this. Some people will tell you they're smoking a blunt with cocaine and it doesn't do anything.

But I have had the experience of smoking blunts with coke and I've been feeling out of my goddamn mind afterwards. I remember like finding one in our house and then being so excited we found this blunt. And then we started smoking it. And one of our hummies is just like, bro, this shit. Chewy. There's Coke in there. And I'm like, what? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Beastie Boys used to rap about that.

Yeah. Blunts with Coke. Famous hip-hop blog back from the blog era, cocaine blunts. Yeah, went to the back room. Wait, went to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom. I was a blunt with coke. Right. In it.

Yeah. I've never, I've never tried. I had one of my friends overdose and die. Yeah. 23. No, yeah. Stay far far away. So I just said, I'm not going to try this.

Right. So whenever, I've had it like last year, someone offered me something. That was wild in Atlanta. Yeah. Like you know, you want some Coke. A couple of randoms. It ain't worth it. I said, no, I'm good.

Yeah, no, definitely don't want to try. You don't want to play with your heart, dude. And especially these days, I mean, doing Coke felt kind of chill back on the day because you just weren't going to get served anything besides Coke. Now without faint and shit, I'd be terrified to do Coke. Like, I ain't done it since. New Year's going into 2019. Oh, shit.

I'm like six years that haven't uncode. Which is a weird feeling. I've interviewed five people who died from overdoses. Oh, shit. Really? How many people do you think you interviewed? Probably more, but... So me and you have some in common.

So, Aaron Carter. Yeah. And all this is fentanyl, by the way. Yeah. I believe all this is fentanyl. So Aaron Carter, gangster boo. Mm-hmm. Yep.

I did Mac Miller. I didn't do that, yeah. I did Culeo. Okay. Not man. One more. Richelomy Kwan. Yep, Richelmaquano.

We have three people you interviewed so far died from, you know, from fentanyl overdoses. Definitely, what, little peep. Little peep. And that was a fentanyl zan, too. It was a fentanyl zan? Yeah. That's a thing? Well, yeah, they make zans and they use fentanyl as one of the ingredients and I think it was

had too much or something. Shit. There's definitely more. From that whole SoundCloud era and shit. Oh, my God. I feel like everybody was dying for a lot. while but I can't even nobody comes to mind immediately but I don't know sad man rest and peace rest and peace man stay stay off stay off that bullshit man like you know like

whenever I see someone dying like think about like a lot of these guys like in their 30s yeah relatively yeah yeah Kwan was like what early 30s people think rappers exaggerate how much drugs they're doing but in reality a lot of rappers have like heavy perk Zan lean consumption To the point where like It's sometimes just shocking to me When I'm around dudes for a long enough period of time They'll get a little bit of like a window

Into how much drugs they're doing dude That shit is unsustainable Yeah a little baby in our interview Was saying how juice world He found out how much He was taking And it was an insane amount Oh yeah

So the overdose wasn't like a shock Yeah You know Yeah he definitely like I kind of separated myself because it was just not fun or cool to be around at a certain point like I think everybody like wanted him to get better so bad but yeah he just had such a appetite for drugs dude he was just going fucking wild so you'd be around him he's just constantly taking drugs not constantly but it was almost always at least a conversation because he was such like a talker that he would just kind of fill you in even me as a person who's like not not really doing drugs at that point in my life. I'm like, he's just kind of telling me shit about what he's getting into or whatever. He was just, yeah, he liked it too much.

And he was like that since super young in high school and shit. He was into all that. And I mean, even when he died, he was like 21, 20 or something. He was so young. It was like such a tragedy. Yeah, man. Rest of peace. I never got to meet him.

I was a fan, though. No, yeah. He was the goat. All right, Vlad, I appreciate you so much. No doubt. Thank you for coming on. Yep. Go get the Vlad Master class by,

becoming a member on his platform. Yeah. So once again, the VladTV YouTube Masterclass. It's $100 a month. But this is where you actually get the real serious inside information about how you launch and grow a YouTube channel from someone who runs a multi-million dollar year YouTube business.

And I've been doing it for, you know, the majority of my 17-year YouTube career. and continue to do it. And, you know, once again, and we got to do an episode with you about how you built up no jumper. Sure.

You know? Yeah, but we did it with a bunch of different people, you know, and like I said, subscribe. That's what it is. I'm going to subscribe. I'm going to watch all the videos, and then and only then will I be able to decide if I still feel like there's value to be had

in terms of me making one of it. I'm still thinking about it, but I definitely respect the fact that you actually went through with it. Yeah, well, I actually, I was on the fence and now it's like when I think about it, I'm not quite sure if I made the right first decision, but the other idea was to do a, like a $50 a month stock members only page. Okay.

They just focused on stock investing, where I would essentially show my portfolio and what I've invested in and show and break down what I did year after year and then start giving, you know, my thoughts on, what I think is happening and what I would do in these types of situations. I would personally be very interested in that, but I feel like the creator content probably makes a lot more sense for your niche. See, I just felt like I'm better on the YouTube side than on the stock side.

Exactly. Yeah, you're an expert. I'm an expert on YouTube. I'm just another guy that's done well stock investing, but I'm not an expert on the stock investing side. But I've done well. Yeah. But then again, there's also, I think more people that want to invest in stocks and start a YouTube channel.

Yeah. Starting a YouTube channel is kind of like a, that's why when I thought about mine, I was very much thinking about making it for all kinds of content creators. Or if you wanted to be like a sort of solo streamer in front of the camera, kind of guide it towards that sort of thing as well in addition. But yeah. Well, I got the, I mean, I got to give him props because the lead attorney. Yeah.

He does a lot of streaming shit. He has a set of classes that focus on streaming. That's smart. And that's who really, me and him had a long conversation. And that's who really got me to like, okay, I'm really going to do it. And then I did it. What's that? Oh, shit.

What up? That's my two favorite people. Hey, what up? Hey, I just said, yo, first of all, I just interview yay. Oh, you did it? Hey, we were just talking about if you did it or not. Nice. Congrats.

It definitely cannot be on YouTube, but I'll give you out the details. Hey, check us out. Oh, shit. up there for Adam and Wax shows. I'm only calling to make sure Adam, Adam, you got to close the back door. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't worry. I got you.

I'm not going to have Dom is alive waiting for you. Yo, I'm coming back to those jump. It's the first time like six years. Yo, Black, what's up? I miss you, bro. You're going to be around? Oh, yeah, I can stick around. Yeah, I'm about to get in the car.

Oh, shit, because we're supposed to have, because it's, what is it? It's 315 right now. We're supposed to try to five. The only problem is that we also have Treblor Ross are supposed to be coming, too. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. Like, me and white, actually, I told everybody not to tell you.

I was going to pop up on you. No, no, but the only thing is we don't have five mics, but I guess we could use the other space. Yeah. I heard it was Wack, um, trap lore. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, that's what I was planning on, but we'll see if Vlad wants to stick around too.

I can stick around. Bro, you got five mics. All right, yeah. All right, yeah, yeah, we'll do it in the other room with five mics. Cool. All right. I'm on the way. Gangster.

All right. All right. Shout out to everybody who watch this. Like, comment, subscribe. Shout out Blad TV, DJ Vlad, the legend, in the game. And, yeah, definitely an Adam and Wax show to remember on the way as well. All right. Appreciate you, man.

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