No Jumper - Dorrough on Ice Cream Paint Job, Hurricane Chris Song Drama, Big Tuck Influence and More

Episode Date: July 20, 2020

Legendary Dorrough came through the No Jumper podcast to talk about his story and his journey! From playing ball, to dropping hits and mixtapes, his close relationship with Nipsey, Big Tuck influence, being adopted by The Bay and more, get to know the rapper behind "Ice Cream Paint Job" and "Get Big" rapper. 11:20 - Big Tuck was the reason Dorrough started taking rap seriously 20:23 - DJ Amen from The Bay was the first one to show love, also Big Von 23:34 - The story of the "Hale Berry" song being taken by Hurricane Chris and his team 32:13 - The making of "Ice Cream Paint Job "People thought I was from the Bay!" 42:14 - Dorrough's close relationship with Nipsey, how they had similar hustles in different cities ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumbert, coolest podcast in the world. And today we are in here with the one and only Dereau. How are you doing, man? Well, so with it, man. I'm good. I'm excited to have you in here, man. There's a lot of people who, like everybody knows the music, but I feel there's a lot of people that don't really know your actual story.

And when I was researching for this, I got very involved with a lot of the classic music from that era and stuff. So it was enjoyable getting ready for this. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like you said, a lot of people know the music, you know, but the story, it got a reveal, you know. So that's part of it. So let's talk a little bit about. your early days. You're originally from Dallas or did you move there at some point? Okay. Born and raised, Dallas, you know, went to school, played ball, Lancaster, you know.

A real baller. I was listening to an interview with you. You were rating everybody in the rap game's basketball skills. No, I'm real with it, man. I'm still, you know, I'm still, I still got some people that's on the list that, you know what I'm saying, get hit with the real skill. You got the rap hoopers, then you got the hoopper hoopers, and then you got the in-between, which is me, like I rap and hoop, but then you got some people that rap and they say they can hoot, but I can see that they really can hoot. But if you just see some stuff that they do, it looks like they can hoot. Yeah, so. Because I mean, it's very, very rare that somebody could be really fire at basketball and then also be all right at the rapping thing. Obviously,

every basketball player is kind of like a fan of the rap scene, but then they want to take part, but it doesn't always work out too well. Yeah. Now, it goes hand to hand, but, you know, over the years through a lot of, like, select basketball games, the real ones know the truth. Like, the real ones know. like, you know, even from like the Chris Browns and stuff, like real baller, you know what I'm saying? And when it comes to just a lot of different stuff. And we, of course, we're talking about the real Hoopers that rap. Like, obviously, I ain't fit to be talking to no NBA player because the NBA player going to look at it. Be like, nah, they ain't, you know what I'm saying?

You got some bars. Yeah, well, Shaq, yeah. Homi, you know, who got some bars there, so Hoop is a Portland, Damien Lillard. Okay. Yeah, I fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You can respect it.

I respect it. You know what I'm saying? It's something of my respect, you know, from the ones out here. Did you your whole childhood? Was that, like, your entire thing was just being obsessed with the sport? It was, like, bawling was my number one, you know what I'm saying? Hooping was definitely first love, you know what I'm saying? Like, in my mind, that's what it was going to be.

And then I didn't realize that it was a lot of things that changed the passion of that once I got, like, right high school, when everything was happening, scholarship offers. You know what I'm saying? A couple traumatic experiences happened that kind of changed my passion for it. You know what I'm saying? With me, it's all about the passion. Like, looking back now, if my passion stayed the same,

I know I could have went that route, you know, from that thing. But as time came, I actually became more passionate about music during that time and it came to a point where it was like, I could do this or that, but music seemed more controllable. You know what I'm saying? Sports, you could be the best thing. You feel me? You get hurt you out of there.

You know what I'm saying? You don't go on the right system, you're out of there. You feel me, coaching systems and mentality. You can be able to play the game, and that's just too much out of your control. Right. With music, you can control that more. Right. Like, I was thinking about if I had a kid and he was a talented athlete,

and you want to nurture that as much as possible, but at the same time, even if your kid looks like he might be LeBron James, it's like you have to prepare them for something else as well because it's so easy for that dream to just disappear. Yeah. I mean, I can name a little. these six or seven people on top of my head that I know are better than 50% of the NBA that easy could have been there and still go there but for so many different other reasons it didn't

happen like some of the time some of the things I'm talking about they may got hurt at the wrong time they might have like some happening they had attitude issues right when they was getting thing the coaches didn't want them at that time they got over that it's too much you know what I'm saying but like you say you feel I mean you can be that and it can not happen and during that time it resonated with me more to, I can control my destiny more with music, you know what I'm saying? Because even if you don't do,

get a record deal or whatever, you can create your initial fan base from wherever you at, you feel me? And you can control that, you feel me, you can put out music, if you want to go perform, it's something you can do. Sports, it got to be set up,

especially then, like, you got to have games set up, you feel me? So what do you do in between games? You get what I'm saying? Well, now it's a little different because now they've got social media, so you're getting people

that's blowing up from social media, that's in the sports world and they're getting found by scouts and stuff from social media. That's a whole other thing. You might not be limited to the scouts in your area or the teams in your area because you're able to build.

It's really exactly the same thing that happens to the rap world where it used to be that you only had a career if you were able to work with a label and now you can get popping on your own and it's kind of like that in sports too. Yeah, because think about this, just say you in a small town somewhere,

you feel, me, that it ain't a lot going on but you A-1 at sports or basketball. You can literally, and today you can go to a local park against and just go kill it. Somebody famed, put it on social media, and you can get found that way, and you can control that, whereas if that was the case back then,

you would have had to go somewhere across the country, wait to the season. It's just a lot, you feel, me? It's different. What was the traumatic stuff that sort of went down while you were in high school that took away from your passion for the game? Well, it was a lot of stuff I was going through internally.

Like family is. shoes, you know, stuff that was going on, just things like that that just changed my perspective of life. That's what it really was. Stuff that some I spoke on in music, some of it I'm speaking on, some of the upcoming music, some of it. A lot of that be revealed through the art, but, you know what I'm saying? Basically, stuff like that. Just things that changed my perspective of life at the early age during that time that made me just changed my whole way I was looking at everything and doing. And I was always doing music too. Like even when I was hooping, By the time I got to high school, I was already writing and rapping and freestyle and this and that.

But the passion wasn't there until certain things happened and it just switched. You feel, me? And I went into that mode. Do you feel like the same level of energy? Because I like, I know a guy who was, he was like on his way to be a UFC fighter. He got knocked out real bad one time. The doctor told him, like, you can't like ever do this again. Like, you cannot get knocked out like this.

He took all that, that energy like of this thing he had been working for his whole life and just turned it over to being. a poker player and completely like is one of the best in the world now but I always thought that was interesting that he was able to take the passion he had for one thing and just completely move it over to something that was completely different do you feel like that happened with the music that mean he just got the it factor you feel it meaning that wherever you when you got it like that wherever you apply that you're going to go to the highest level with that it's not really about the thing it's about the energy exactly so when you use the dudes you just described just got that if he would it don't got to be poker it could have been nine

something else you know what I'm saying it would have been that you feel me that's what that mean and obviously you know what I'm saying for him it his passion change and applied to something else well me I mean you it wasn't that but it's the similar concept you feel me you know I'm saying and I never really lost the love of basketball because it was it was a time where I couldn't even when I stopped hoping like I didn't even want to cease basketball for like years like I hated I then I got over that and then like now it's back a thing to me, you feel because you couldn't look at it

without thinking about how you wanted to be involved in it. Yeah, and then, you know, you got a lot of people around you during the time that, you know, they saw the whole thing so they wondering why you were not going to that route, boom, boom, boom,

and it was just a whole thing, but, you know, that was something I got past. So now you can be more of like a fan of the actual game. Yeah, now I can be a real fan of the game and watch it in a whole different way. I couldn't even watch basketball for years, like, out of high school,

maybe four or five years at all. Like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But now, you know what I'm saying? But now, yeah, I watch it all the time. I'm trying to catch it. You know what I'm saying? I just love watching it.

Definitely. Did you make it too playing in college or did you know that first? I had a scholarship. I got a scholarship. By the time I, so in high school, basically in high school, my senior year, you know what I'm saying? I was capping on the basketball team. My audience, boom, boom, boom. A lot of people know this story.

But it was, I was already rapping. I already, I was popular for sports. So when I started rapping, I kind of had like a fan base out already. I was already rapping, putting out music. People was jammed my music. People was mine. mixtapes. I was selling it at school, the teachers, the students, everybody. You know what I said? So I was already kind of that in my mind. I already knew I could do it. You feel me? Because I already

had like what I had a fan, but I had a support system from the jump. So it was during that time where I just was like, this is way more controllable. Like I got to go make some music. Next day, we just printing CDs. Next day I'm selling 20, 30, 40 copies at school to me. That was just that basketball was just too spaced out it was like when the season going boom when the season ain't going you just working out boom boom boom you got to rely on all these teammates and you didn't pick the teammates you got to rely it's too many other counterparts you feel me and then at that time I was able to compare and contrast and be like with this I'm able to do this right now and it make me feel good and I ain't got to think about stuff that I'd be thinking about you know what I said

that I was having issues with you know I said so I got into music and once I got into that the passion like went there fast and Once I got that passion in it, it wasn't no turning back. Like, I knew early on that, you know what I said? I told myself a day, like, I'm two feet in it. And, you know what I'm saying? I was at FedEx, you feel me? Like, in 18, 19.

And the last day when I walked out, like, I was just two feet in it, you feel me? And I ain't never looked bad since. And I knew that the passion was there. So all the stuff that I still had coming from the basketball outside because I was getting all the type of stuff, it was just, I didn't even care, you feel? And I was surprised at myself that I was able to feel that.

way. You feel I mean? Like, I didn't think that I would be able to naturally feel that way. Definitely. What year did you graduate? 05. 05. So you're sort of, like, that's kind of like the prime time for like Texas's like

explosion in terms of like all these underground artists just becoming like in the mainstream and shit, whether it's Slim Thug or Paul Wall. That's when they was popping. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They had already kind of hit that level by the time you were graduating. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they was already doing it. That's when you hit you, you hit a little flip.

Now I'm on fire. You know what I see? So little flip the whole swisher house. movement on fire, slumped up, Mike Jones, Powwow, that's during that, that's when they popping, popping. Number one time where somebody who's, like, graduate in high school that has something going on is thinking, like, I can be that. Like, I can get on that level.

Exactly. And it was the first time that it was happening for somebody like me that's in Dallas, not Houston. Everybody I was associated, you know what I'm saying? So it was just like, it was doable, you feel me? I was seeing people around me that was doing it, you know what I'm saying? And, like, Texas, Dallas, you know what I'm saying? Talking about the tom-toms and big.

tucks you feel me and like these are names that's prevalent today that was prevalent then you feel me that like i say when you see it especially when you in high school and that young it makes it way more you know what i'm saying believable that you can do it definitely so big tuck was like a local like hero to you at that time big tuck was that guy big tuck was the probably the reason one of the main reason i jumped off the porch to actually do it wow i feel i mean like i was already fans a lot of other people like you know what i said i grew my first favorite texas rapper was little flip. But I liked the UGK moment.

I came up through all of it. But that's when people like Big Tuck came out, that's when it was like, oh, this is in the backyard for real. Like this in Dallas, and to me, it wasn't nothing harder than the shit that was coming out of Dallas.

Even comparing it to mainstream, it was just like, this is just what it is. And I caught that energy. And yeah, so I was always the one and the type of person where like, I ain't got to be in fluent. Once I see something, I'm gonna rep what we are and where I'm at, boom, harder than trying to connect

to whatever's going on. Like, you know what I saw it in Dallas? And it just happened, you feel me? So yeah, I would say somebody like, tuck and tom, you know what I'm saying? And for the people who don't know who that old people are, y'all need to get in tune with them. If you can listen to South Side of the Realist

and not say that that is one of the greatest rap songs of all time, then you are severely misled. That's the, that's the, Dallas, anthem forever. You know what I'm saying? It's a Texas anthem. It's a Southern Anand. It's going to be, it's a worldwide anthem. It's just something that's going to last forever. You know, but I would, see, this is

the thing, though. That was like, even later, like, I was, we don't talk, I mean, we on the mixtapes, you feel of me? Like, so that even came out. It was boom. And I remember when that song dropped, you know what I said, I remember taking that on a CD and putting that one song on a CD and riding around in the car

and just jamming that for like a three week, about a week to two weeks straight when they first came out. You know what I'm saying? And like a lot of people that I grew up with, you know what I'm saying? In high school, we kind of like blew up a lot of people. So DSR was a group. You know what I'm saying? And like we was popular

at our school, lengths to pooping and everything. We blew up DSR in our area the way we were jamming them. You know what I'm saying? And being real, because it wasn't a lot of people like that. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't like ripping some stuff that's right there in your backyard and two is everybody else ripping it. You feel?

me. So more people was on Houston, which Houston, you know, boom, boom, boom. But like, once I caught that way, I'm like, fuck that. This is what we jamming. We jamming at the games, do them in. We're planning at the games. And our shit popping. So we blowing it up as well. You feel I mean? It just always hit that pride. So. Definitely. I feel like in that era where you came out, there was like such a big emphasis on a lot of, like, like, you're known for making like ridiculously catchy pop anthem-ass songs. Like, was that always the direction that you sort of wanted to go in or that you found yourself going in was like I can like really making big hits I learned that you feel me uh I start off as a mix tape

mixtape right I'm saying like I was dropping mixtape boom boom boom mix tapes uh doing a lot of that and catching a lot of so I went to HBCU okay so I did go to PV but I didn't go to who you know what I'm saying by the time I got down there I already had like the little attention with rap and I just saw like look, I'm going to go down here do my rap shit. You feel I mean? Like, it's seven and one girls to do these people all over the place.

I see it. Boom, I'm for to go down at a rap. We started throwing parties, all that type of shit. So I was dropping a lot of mixtapes. Down there, you had people from Houston, Dallas, Louisiana, that whole little southern thing. All in one place. So you, growing up there is going everywhere.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Summer break, boom, boom, boom. So I was known. I had PV popping for, mixtapes and that type thing before I was able to make singles. But what happened was and where change was, like I was popping for mixtapes and I had a bus.

I had a name. Everybody knew who I was. They was fucking with me. They was fucking with my music. But I wasn't getting booked for shows. You know what I'm saying? Everybody wanted me to be places, but I wasn't getting booked. I wasn't getting paid.

And then I remember it was, it was early on when the Dallas Buggy movement hit, you feel me. And it was the beginning of it. And like I was this rapper without his book. buzz from mixtapes, but then it'll be like other rappers that have one song, no mixtape, no name, and the song will be big, and then they'll be getting booked for shows, you know what what I'm saying? So that made me be like, damn, like, okay, I got to figure that point out. You know what I'm saying? And then I start getting with my, you know, my producer, boom, boom, boom. And I realized

at the moment that I was going to have to make singles, you know what I'm saying? And once I developed that skill, like, oh, some, I put my time and energy to and boom, and then it became that, you know what I said? So I really became almost the opposite of what I started from. So I made a single boom and then I made another one. They just kept boom. And this is before Ice Cream Paint Jail. I had like a lot of little stuff that led up to that. You feel me? But the world going to think that ice cream paint job was the beginning. It's a whole fucking story and movie that led up to just that one song. Right. You feel I mean? A whole bunch of mixtapes, a whole lot of little things that made me get to that song. You feel me? So it was like that. You feel me? So I learned that. And then, That happened and then I just became like, okay, I got that, and that just kind of took off in that way. So let's just say when I even dropped my first album, like people had that in mind, but I really create more of the opposite, you feel I mean. I really create more of these other type records than these things. I just know how to make those. If I really want to make that, I can make that at any time. It's like two separate games, like just writing verses of being a good rapper and then writing a hook

is like two very different things. And we've seen tons of rappers who are good at one and not good the other or good at both over the years and it's just kind of you have to learn to be able to play both games really you do you know what I'm saying and with me it's just about with my passionate like I just got to feel like I want to do it you feel I mean like I don't play it I don't play the game for the same reason that everybody has played the game if I wanted to do that it would be too easy in my mind you know what I just be having to feel like doing certain stuff and sometimes that can't handle but most of the overall is just it's just me you feel so that's just how I am when it came at airport.

It's interesting because these days when you're talking about having like, you know, underground singles that were bubbling up and stuff before I screen paint job, nowadays, like the first time that you're a young artist that you have a song that starts bubbling up and it just goes online and everybody just sees this artist for the first time, that's like the first time that people get familiar with you versus back then. It was like you could have all these sort of like regional hits, but then it really felt like at that time that you weren't going to get the coast paying attention to your music unless you could have a song that was a big enough hit.

hit that it would get on the radio there because this isn't like pre- YouTube but it's like the very beginning of YouTube yeah it's the very beginning of everything the internet really social media uh and you write you feel me it was just that was it you feel me it was like you had to have be able to make some shit to go like that to even be able to get in it you know what I'm saying that I started out the opposite way and I had to adapt to that skill you know what saying and it just became that definitely yeah when you were did you consider using social media whether it was MySpace at the time or YouTube or whatever, did you consider that like an important part of your career yet at that point?

Or did it take you a while for you to figure out that like, oh, this is starting to become the place where people are consuming my shit? I was on fire you on my space, bro. Like my page was popping. Everybody had like the girls head, and I ain't even exaggerating. They used to have walked that walk and Holly Berry on their page. You know what I'm saying? The background music when you go to the page?

Yeah. That was the way for a while. My shit was blowing up on my page was popping. But I didn't really know what that meant. It wasn't a concept of viral yet. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't, I wasn't realizing that this shit was spreading out around the world

or at least the United States or whatever the fuck, you know, but I was aware that my page was popping on MySpace. So I was aware I had a popping MySpace page when it came to music, boom, boom, boom, but I didn't know what that really meant because they ended up turning to a whole lot. I even got discovered like when you came,

when it comes to like, I was doing mixtapes and you know, like the ice cream paint job. I put that on my MySpace and a DJ, found him on my space and blew it up. So my shit really blew up from my space. But what changed my whole perspective of what viral was is I had never been to California.

You know what I'm saying? My music from a mainstream level, you want to say that word, blew up in California. I didn't blow up in Texas mainstream. I blew up in Texas underground and the whole reason underground. Like I wasn't mainstream in Texas. I was underground.

You had to boom. But I blew up mainstream in Cali and that became from my space. So when I started getting booked for shows and coming out to Cali, I didn't understand how people knew me, my face and all that stuff. It didn't resonate yet. Where in this day and time, you would understand because you'd be like it went viral, boom on boom. It was just happening. So your song started popping off on MySpace and then was there ever like a DJ in L.A.

or any people in particular that were really showing love that made like that you started getting booked out here or was it strictly online? DJ A man from the bay. He was in the bay at KMEL. He literally went to my pay. He used to always come to my page and get music because I remember, like, I had my walk-the-walk single pop, and, like, it was, he came, and he had me send it to him. He was trying to blow it up in the bay, but the tempo wasn't.

He knew it was a dope song, and he was basically like, I wanted to be a fuck with this. And they kind of did, but not really. But, you know what I'm saying? But then he would come, when I put that on my page, he came, and he single-handedly came to my page and got it. He had me sent it to him, asked me, was it original, all that, and I sent it to him.

And, like, about a week, two weeks, later. About two weeks from that day, he said, I got the biggest song in the Bay Area because he was on radio and radio was huge and he had a spot where they come on the, I think it was a weekend thing where you go hear new music and he was like the first time he played it, it blew up. People was calling in. That was a big thing. And it just went and like, it was in rotation in like a week or something like that and it just blew up. Like it just went, you feel I mean. It wasn't even. And he was the one that found that him and then Big Vund, Shout out to him too because Big Bond was the PD, you know, with that.

And they just blew it up, and it went from there to L.A. And they blew up here at DJ Fellie Fell. It was the number one record in L.A., you know what I'm saying? And once it blew up in L.A., it went everywhere. Right. You know what I'm saying? When you wrote that song, what was your car collection like at that point? It was the torture.

I didn't, I was, I was rapping about the culture at that time. I basically manifested that, you feel, me? Like, I grew up and around the Texas, you know, all that. And that was just a culture around me at that time. I was like 19, 20, I think, when I wrote this song. You know what I'm saying? And, yeah, that was just the courts around me. So at that time, I wasn't rapping about my car then,

but it ended up manifesting into that, you feel me? Is that like you felt like you had to go and make that, was that first car purchase, like, really, really important? Because you're like, you know, I made this happen from talking about this. Yeah, so when the first was like, I'm going to go get it, it was that. But by the time I wouldn't ask go get it, it wasn't that because by this time, I was started doing so many shows and moving around. Right.

And it really wasn't even that important no more, you feel me? That in a matter of a few months, because I was traveling so much, never really wasn't at home. At home, maybe one day, two days after month. You feel me? So, yeah, it just was transition. It was just a transition. Yeah, rappers, like, before they get popping or would be writing songs about cars and houses, and then once they actually get popping, you can have a house and you can have a house and you barely. ever even going to be there and you can have a car you're never going to drive it it don't feel

the same you know what I'm saying but you but you start loving the other stuff like just you know the whole the journey you feel me to moving around you know creating the meals boom boom boom just that part but yeah you know it becomes like that definitely so yeah like we're like we're because there was a bunch of other stuff that had to happen before ice cream paint job right because the whole hollyberry saga unfolded before that so where were you at in your career when that sort of situation took place because you were on the song and then the song was basically stolen from you we could go through it not stolen but it was appropriated by somebody else can we get that story that was the first time i felt aloe when i was doing music because what people don't realize is at every

it's levels to everything and you feel so at that time in my mind i'm already popping a mix table my name is there i'm doing shows you know what i'm saying i'm i'm making money i'm doing my thing i know we ain't hit mainstream yet i know that's the next thing you know that's the next thing sting because of how everything's moving. I got my walk-the-walk single is popping, but it's that was like a slow burning record that just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger

where when we did Holly Berry, it blew up faster than that. But you know what I'm saying? But so during that time, I was already, I was just in a space where we didn't, I didn't expect that to happen. And when it happened,

we felt the way about it. Like, it was a big thing. It was a whole thing. Like, that will be a story within itself that's huge. Because that was the first time I put a lot of work in that record. You feel me? I broke that record, you know what I'm saying? When it comes to what it takes to break a record at that time,

and you know what I'm saying? It was a lot that went on with that. And when that was took away the way it was, it felt like a lot of things that I put together and put in energy was gone. But right away, soon as that happened, the next thing happened, they walked, blew up. Like, it just, I didn't want even no time in between. It was just a sign that that happened.

My record blew up and then Ice Cream Crankton job blew up. And to this day, I still, you know, I get my royalties from the Holly Berry. You know what I'm saying? That's still 33% of my record. But were you still, were you the only artist on the original Holly Bear record? No, no, no, no. So, dude, superstars. So this is the story.

So I can only, you know what I'm saying? Get this story out of the way. Let's get the record straight for these people. This is the story of Holly Berry. Holly Berry started at Preview University. Preview is a black HBCU. You know what I'm saying? I was popping.

I was doing the mixtape. I was known for all the music. Boom, boom, boom. I had a group called Pryantime Click. That was my group I started. My homies that rap, basically. And we had producers, boom, boom, boom. One of my producers that came into the prime time click situation later was just a producer

that made beats. His name was Superstar. Made some hard-ass beats, you feel me? But, you know, at music, when you produce it, at some point you're going to rap. You know, a lot of people, Well, not everybody, but a lot of people. But anyway, he made a record. He was from Colleen, Texas.

That's an Army base. It's a small city, but it's a, it's a small, influential city in his own way. You know what I'm saying? Because it's an army base there. He was from there, and he went to Preview. So he made the song. He was in my, he was signed, he was in my prime time thing.

And he had it going in Colleen, Texas. Long story short, I was an approach with him and another producer, N.Q. Smith, who co-produced the record, with him when we took it to the next level to put me on the record because I was popping. I was a nigga at PV. It wasn't going to move at PV or Dallas or Houston without me on it. You feel me?

That's just the marketing technique that they think. They're like, we're going to go to the road, put them on it and it's a wrap. And they did that. I heard it. I'm like, oh, this is way before it's only popping in one place at this time. I hop on it, blow up at PV, Houston. I take it to Dallas. And see, Dallas at this time was the special city.

This is one of the Dallas buggy movies. movement was happening. I go to Dallas and I'm in every, this one, I'm in every club, every night, every day of the week in Dallas performing. I'm talking about Monday through Monday. I'm everywhere and I'm really one of the only few people that's everywhere doing that. So I'm taking this song because my walk the work record was big. Blowing up Holly Berry and it blew up in Dallas, ended up getting on the radio and it was a rap from there. And now the song is a, at this time, it's a huge southern song that everybody know about. Long story short, Hurricane King. Hurricane Chris Camp came.

He needed a single. From what they were saying, he needed a single. Hurricane Chris needed a single, boom, boom, boom. Homie Superstar had signed a dumb-ass deal at the time with Planned Skills. Shout to Plan Skills, shout to Playing Skills. Shout to Superstar, but he'd signed a weak deal that I didn't want to sign. It didn't make sense at all. Don't know why Superstar did it till this day. It would not smart.

It still would have been a big hit to this day with Superstar, me on it at the same level. But anyway, he felt like he had to do the deal, did it. Boom, they gave him the record. Playing skills dropped the ball with the record. You know what I'm saying? Whatever they did. Once they take me out, they did a remix. Through TomTom on our shot of TomTom,

smart move, took me off, put Hurricane Chris on the remix. The remix didn't move at all because everybody in Dallas and all the DJs were mad they took me off because I'm the one blew the record up. And then they compete that they was doing some fuck shit. So the record died like 100%. Now they're scrambling and they had to sell the record.

So they sold it to Hurricane Chris. Hurricane Chris Camp got it, put a bag behind it, put it with a label, and they blew it up. And that's how all happened. But, I mean, I had paperwork was done. I still own 33% of the record to this day, boom, boom, boom, publish, and all that. It was a big deal.

We had a little beef at the time. But at the same time, it rolled over. My shit blew up right after that, walked in the while I didn't give a fuck no more. You know what I'm saying? And long story, short, that's the story. You know what I'm saying? So it was just like a lot of things that happened.

But the reason why that story is so important, because this is before mainstream. This is the road. to get there. You know what I'm saying? That was a big part of everything happening. So in retrospect, when you're looking at it seems small, but it was huge. You feel? At that time, yeah, long

story short. So I'm saying all this just to get the record straight. Because I always got to do every interview I've got to explain this story and I understand this different platforms. So it's just like, boom. Hopefully, I don't really got to explain it too much more. But shout to the superstar. Shout to Harry King, Chris out. They're doing the own

thing, boom, boom, boom. And everybody that was involved with that record. You know what I'm saying? Q Smith. Shout out to Q Smith. You know, Q Smith came and made the record a whole other thing on the production side. But you, like, that Hurricane Chris thing, it wasn't like an issue between you guys for that long. It was an issue, but then you got over pretty quick. Yeah, we was beefing. Like, we had worried, man, let me tell you what happened. Was it on some crazy shit?

Or was it just a little? It was just on some time. We was young and I understanding a lot of stuff. And, like, it even got to the point where we had a radio show in Baton Rouge and I performed. and I do my version, because I didn't go for, I was still performing it. While he did, I was performing my version. And we had a radio show where we both booked there, and I'm performing it. And, like, they had, like, they DJ trying to, like, stop my music.

When, when, when something happened. Man, I'm going to have some words. And the Bay Bay Bay Bay was the mediator. Shout out to Bebe. Bebe was the mediator between me and Hurricane Chris. So we back in a little dressing room, and we had some words, you feel of me. But at this time, it was like, damn, homie, so small. Like, I wanted to, like, at that time, I was like,

I would feel wrong, but at the end of the day, we squashed that. We start seeing each other out here in LA. Once you have success, that shit don't matter no more. That's what it really was. We started having real success. And then it's just like, what the fuck we're tripping over there for? Like, I don't, and that's just what it was. And to this day, that's what it is.

Right. How did you feel when you saw it in the news that he caught a new charge? Man, I felt bad, you know what I'm saying? Because at the end, like I say, we didn't, man, have got each other. We didn't seen each other just at random little event. and parties in LA and we you know boom so like it ain't no beef like that you know I'm saying and it was never a beef to where I want somebody to get into like locked up anything and but I mean I'm hearing actually good things I'm hearing that like

you know what I'm saying he he might he probably get off because it was some self-defense I hope that's what it was but right it shocked me if I saw it and I don't really know too many details so I can't speak on it but you know I hope home and get through the situation No, definitely. I mean, after all those years, especially, it's just got to kind of seem like water under the bridge. Like, you guys were just young dudes, experience and fame and money for the first time. Yeah. Like, we thought we was in a real beef at that time, but, like, looking back, that ain't no real beef, you know what I see? So. It never seemed like it was going to get super violent. It did. It got some time. Like, when I'm talking about the Baton Rouge thing, I honestly think had Babi wouldn't be there at that time. Like, yeah, because I had people with me, he had people with him, and I was feeling the way. I can't see it not happening because we were right there.

But, you know, like I say, but like I say, yeah, that was the only time. It wasn't like we trying to kill each other, but, man, you know, it was just a different time. I got, Jen. So then ice cream paint job, when you're making that, did it seem like there was anything special about it? Or did it just seem like a regular song that you're recording? Man, so to me, when I recorded it, I was in my mixtape phase, and I always hit this thing about me where I like rapping on uptempo beats.

I used to rap on, at this time, you remember what's that song that came out the Bay Area? It was about the shoes, the vans. Oh, yeah, I got my vans on. That beat, like, so I did a freestyle on that beat on a mixtape, and I thought that shit was, I fucked with that shit so hard, but everybody

fucked with my mixtape and didn't like that song because of the beat, like it was too uptempo in Texas. So I told, that's what, when I was just like, I'm going to do my own shit, the up-tend of the shit, but Texas probably ain't going to fuck with it. So I had to personally liked it. I didn't just say this was going to be a big hit because I was in Texas,

and everything was slower. So that shit mattered at that time. You drive some shit that ain't in the tempo of the dance music and everything we was doing down there. They ain't fucking with it. That shit, I used me painting that I was too fast. That's so weird that you are not from the bay, but somehow your music was just resonating in the bay. They thought I was from the bay because of that. you know, boom, and it blew up there.

And 90 BPM is written, even today, that ain't really that fast, but that was fast, and that was more what the bay was on, it blew up. So it didn't blow, I used to me, paint job, didn't blow up in Texas. It blew up in Texas after it blew up in Cali. You know what I'm saying? That in the head nothing, motherfuckers weren't fucking with that.

Even my DJ at the time, didn't, he didn't think it was a hit like that. You know what I'm saying? I personally liked it, but boom, and yeah, no, I didn't, it didn't done on me a little special until I started getting booked in Cali, you feel me. This is a special record.

Like, this is even more special than Walked at Walk, which was a special record. And Holly Barry, which was another special record. And this was like, oh, this shit might actually more special than them. That's how it was yeah. That's so crazy. Yeah, it was weird. Do you start thinking at some point, like, man, I actually got a gift for writing these hooks.

Like, it's just, you know. Well, once I got, but it was before that, it was once I did walk there, walk, I knew I knew how to make it, you feel me? Like, I knew I could keep doing You feel me? Like, I had to learn how to make that record in my mind because I was a mixtape rapper, so I wanted to make a lot of fast shit and just drop a lot of shit. But I had to, like, humble myself and, like, come down and be like, I need to know. I need

to make a record. I need to learn how to actually make a record, you know what I was getting tired of motherfuckers coming on one record and being popping and I got all this shit going and the buzz, but I wasn't getting booked for shows. And I was like, fuck it. I'm for the line how to make a single. So once I did that, y'all knew I could do it. You feel man and you know what i'm saying that's just what it became right and okay so did you sign to a label early on or how did that whole process work i didn't sign to a label until so by the time i did a deal with e1 which was which is coach records independent by the time that came in place walk-the-walk was already huge all over radio like i had already done everything and holly bear was

already huge. Boom, boom, boom. And we, they initially wanted to do a single deal. I remember and then they caught when the ice cream paint job by luck. They lucked up on that. And then they offered me an album deal, you know what I'm saying? And shit, I did it. You know what I'm saying? And matched it with, independently what I got doing and we just kind of parted up and did what we did and made that happen. But yeah, that's when they came in place. It's kind of crazy because you sort of came up during like the weird dark time for the music industry where they didn't know what the fuck to do with the artist. Yeah.

Like nowadays, if you have a hit song, it's like you got every label fighting to help you make that song bigger and to fuck with your career or whatever. But at that time, the idea of like, oh, there's a kid from Texas who has like a couple of really popping songs and it seems obviously that he can make more. I mean, the labels just like didn't know how to make money off it. So they weren't like run into it like the way that they would be these days. Yeah, exactly. That was a weird time because shit was transitioning.

and when nobody figuring out what was going on. Like, it was just happening at the time. So I think that was the most, like a, that was just a weird time. You feel me? Because the internet was happening, didn't really know what it was going to be, but it was there. But we was the first ones on it. So we understood it, but didn't understand it. It was just a lot going on.

It was just in a transition. Yeah, how did this remix happen that featured, this is such a crazy list of rappers? to be featured on the same remix is soldier boy rich boy germane dupree jim jones and e40 so you basically have like the entire country like you sort of like picking choosing different people from every different region to sort of get on that together yeah that go to shout to d sonorum the son around from e1 man he put that part there by this time but by this time the song was so big that everybody was just doing verses to it right so we really that kind of like was put together i remember they had all done their own remixes? Oh yeah, like everybody like was just hopping on the song. I'm talking about everybody

did an ice cream paint job verse. I'm talking about everybody. So we just had to, we were just like, well, shit, we can just put together a remix from that. So, so the song blew up and that happened. And, you know, the first person who it did one was Jermaine DePree. He hopped on it. And then he exposed it some more. And then it just everybody did a verse. That's so crazy because you think about like back in the day, I remember going to like rap blogs and, you know, there would be a song, ice cream paint job or a millie by little Wayne. or whatever where every day you would see three new, five new rappers all remixing that shit.

It got to a certain point where it's like, I'm not going to just download a different person rapper over the same beat every day. Yeah, that's how it was. As I was, yeah. That was one of those situations. So what was that whole time period? Like, because you seem like when you were talking about how you were in the club, like, every fucking night pushing, like that walk and everything, it's like, some rappers think like,

oh, I'm blowing up, but I'm still going to kind of take my time with promoting this shit, or I'm not, like, it seemed like you kind of understood, like, oh, no, this shit is cracking right now, then we need to be all over it and just doing everything possible to promote this. Yeah, and that came because I was a mixtape rapper first, so I was able to feel the difference, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was able to feel the difference between having a mixtape buzz and having a quote-unquote regional or mainstream single buzz, and it was just a different feeling. So when I felt that, I'm like, boom, this, I got it, this is the energy. Fuck it. I got to blow this shit up. Like, I knew I had a hit. When walked in that time and where I was in my mind, I knew I

had a hit that just had to be exposed. So I had, it wasn't, and I didn't have a label, so I had to expose it myself. I had to go into every club and wherever people was to keep exposing it. And every time I did that, it just got bigger and bigger. Because once people heard it and resonated, it was a rap from there.

So you know, I kind of had to like, you know what I'm saying? I had to, that's like a guerrilla tech that you feel I didn't do it, you know what I'm saying? So I did that. It's kind of crazy that was just like such a different thing when you're doing the mixtape thing and you're sort of in Texas and like the idea being a popular rapper in Texas at that time, especially like you didn't necessarily have to

branch out outside of the state. Whereas like once you have that big radio single, then you start to feel like, oh, this is what it is to be successful. Like, did that completely change like the trajectory of how you were working on music and stuff? And did it feel odd to sort of have that song like come back to earth? And all of a sudden, you're kind of doing some of the same things in Texas in terms of just performing there locally and putting out tapes or albums or whatever like how what was that process like as that song started to cool off a little well in texas music is different and especially even at that time it's like if you make something that's kind of like a classic and it ain't it ain't no really dying down well yeah it's a dying down but in

that that record was just something that was gonna keep going but see by the time it really got going like what i was creating i was already on to other music making i was just like i i'm boom they fucking with it boom i i i was already making other music that I was ready to put out, you feel me? But I knew I had to, so when it started dying down, you know what I'm saying? And then that's when the other record took off. And then, you know, it just kept on being like that. So I just kept myself busy, you know what I'm saying? And I was actually enjoying. I think the difference too is I was enjoying just the process of it happening. Like I really wasn't in a hurry, you feel

me? Because it was times where I knew I could have done things and took deals and took situations that would have sped it up. You know what I'm saying? But for some reason, I just wasn't thirsty for that, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't have nothing, so I'm surprised that I wasn't, but I was just like, I'm cool, you know. Because a lot of people in that position that you were in at that time would have been all over trying to, you know, click up with bigger rappers or labels or whatever and just trying to like basically, like, did you not feel like, like, did you feel like you were on a trajectory to try to like make yourself a giant rap star or did that not really seem as important

as just doing you? Yeah, no, I saw the vision. I wanted to go to that level, but I just knew I was just like, I'm gonna do it on my own. I was letting everything come to me. Like, I believed in myself for real. You know what I said? It wasn't a fake. Like, I'm trying to make myself believe in myself.

Like, I just knew once I got to, so I'm like, I can do this. And I'm going to do it. So it's just about how I want to do it and when I want to do it and just taking my time doing it while I was so learning too. Don't get me wrong. It was a lot. I didn't have a lot of, I didn't have a lot of, know what a lot of stuff was. but for some reason I was just cool with how it was going. You know what I'm saying?

But yeah, I did have goals to, you know what I'm saying? Take it to the highest level. That's in my mind. And so that's part of the process even now. It's just, boom, steps. I know you got some crazy stories from that time period. Like I know that the fucking nipsy thing was like a crazy connection that well just seems crazy now given how we passed and everything.

But you had this connection with him early on. Can we get that story? And can we talk about like just any other? like crazy interactions or whatever was going on at that time in your life like things that just seem insane that maybe you don't always get a chance to to share with people at this point? So Nipsey, yeah, Nipsey, you know what I'm saying? Like I, the connection with me and Nipsey came immediately, you feel I mean? Like the first time I remember like just being at the crib and the first time I saw Nipsey

was, they was shooting, he had did a video that came out and he had rapped on a Chris cross beat. He did the re-he remixed the jump. Yeah, my favorite song when I was in first grade, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he redid that, you know what I'm saying? And that's how, boom, and for some reason, it just, when I saw the video, everything he was doing, a lot of the stuff that he was doing was resonating with me on how I was moving and doing it, but in a Texas way, the Dallas way. And that was the only artist that I made like that. And then when we met out soon, after that, that once my music started pop, this before my music was out,

and then, you know, ice cream, paints, the iPad, and, you know, when Snoop got, they got on the Snoop, actually, I thought Nipsey was Snoop artist because that's kinda how it was presented to me. And then I remember D hit me up, he was like, hey, you know, Snoop, you know, wanna know what you think about

putting Nipsy Husty, it's an artist named Nipsey Hustle. I was like, oh, I know who Nipsey Husser. I was out, by this time I was on to him, a lot of people weren't, they was trying to introduce me and be like this, they're trying to show him, like I already know who he, I think homie dope, let's do it.

He won a mainstream thing, so a lot of people didn't think that was a good move because he wasn't man, but I thought it was the best thing. I was like, because I like him, you know what I'm saying? Homie from L.A., boom, I really liked this music. I'm on it, and I can see the potential, and I threw him on there, and I brought him out on the BET hip hop awards. Right. You feel me?

And that was, he had never been on a mainstream platform, so I introduced him to a lot of people, but I did it from just thinking, homie was dope anyway, like. You know what I'm saying? It was other people on the song, but it's just something I wanted to do. Right. You know, and then our connection started there, and we just had a natural connection. So we started seeing each other everywhere. You know, we did some songs, you know what I'm saying?

He came, fuck with me in Dallas, you know, birthday parties. We just, we would do shows at different places. And I always, every time we met up, we had a moment, you know what I'm saying? We always chopped it up. I always had good energy. And it was a me and him connection. Like I didn't, so me and Nipsey connection, just, you know how sometimes

be through you have entourage and different than I was just me and him personally so we just always had this connection and I always saw each other and it just kept growing over the years so you know he just became homie he just came bro from there do you remember the last time you saw him before he passed

yeah it was a month before he passed a month wow he was in Dallas he came and did not even a show he came and did a business seminar like the first of his like Imagine going to a city to do a show, but instead of doing a show, you're doing a business seminar. Wow. And you're bringing out people in that city, the youth that's in that mindset.

And you're getting paid for it, just like a show, but you're sitting down like this talking. And that's what he came to Dallas to do. It was just about being this real estate. All the shit he was about, you feel, me. He was teaching that. He was getting paid for when he came to Dallas. I went there. You know what I'm saying?

Support him and check him out. Boom, boom, boom. And, you know, before he went and did the, you know, to speak. and the stuff he had to do we had we was in the back room just private moments you know what i'm saying talking about it we were talking about that i was supposed to come to l.a so he had just built his new studio he was he told me to come to l.a. to do his uh to come record because i was talking about look i got this texifoyne project i'm working on you know what i saying we always was talking about doing a texafooney thing i'll bring it up and he was going to get on the song and the project and he's

like want i'm just come to l a and do it do it in my studio so my next time to go into l a l. was going to be to that next month. You feel me? So it was already planning for me to go to L.A. and record with Nipsey. Right. And then this was a month, literally a month prior to when it happened. And that happened. And then the next time I ended up going was for the

funeral. So I went out there for the funeral and everything. And, you know, and that was that. But, you know, like I say, bro, you know, that was found. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of love there. And, you know, homie energy, spirit is here forever. You know what I'm saying? So with that being said, yeah.

Yeah, when you see like the way he lived his life and like there's always been this conversation since he passed about like doing a business in your local area and everything. Like has that been, you know, and like sort of being that like local hero and stuff. And with him, we saw how much you could do when you put yourself into that road. We also saw how dangers it can end up being like what are your thoughts on being that sort of like fixture in the community in terms of hip hop or outside of that in the overall culture? Like do you want to be that for Dallas or is. Is that too much to take on sometimes? It ain't even, it's just, that's just what who homie is. You know what I'm saying?

And like, for me, it's parts of that, but it's also for me, it's just inspiring. Because I know how just like homie, you know, the greatest act that you can do whatever is inspire somebody. You know what I'm saying? And I believe in that, you feel me? So even for my sitting, this and that, I'm more about inspiring. And I'll come be hands on and I come boom, boom, this and that. But as far as feeling like I got to do it. something, I don't feel like I have to do anything that don't touch my heart.

And that's a lot of things that touch my heart that I'm gonna do and actually do and do it in them times. But I don't got like a mission set up, boom, boom, boom. But that's who homie is. That's who he was, who he is, you feel me? So it's different, you know. And it's unfortunate that, like, that put a sour energy out there about people fitting like they shouldn't, you know, be able or they don't want a necessary be,

what is it's going to say the hood say you can do all that type stuff which some of it's necessary some of it ain't but overall you know what I'm saying the way I look at it is is everything he about is still implying to what people should be doing and even what

what I'm doing on a lot of different other levels because that wasn't that wasn't all he was about a lot his music was that the way he moved the business mind everything he was just you know what I'm saying all around with it you feel me and that's just I look at the situation.

Overall, it was just unfortunate. You know what I'm saying? Just unfortunate. Damn shame. Yeah, RIP NIP. Okay, so at this point in your life, like, what are you primarily working on? Like, do you find the most, like, excitement about working on in terms of, is it still primarily music?

Or, like, I know that you signed Young Nation at one point and that that was, like, a big thing for a while. We could definitely talk about that. But, like, are you on the hunt for new artists? Like, is that something that you're passionate about? I'm more, I'm letting everything come to me. You're feeling? If I see a dope artist and it come to me naturally, I'm fucking with it.

But, you know, producers as well. Right now I'm fucking with more producers than artists, you know what I'm saying? But it's all around, you know what I'm saying? I'm more about like, number one is the music still. Number one, you know what I'm saying, creating that and getting ready to put that out. Because that's where I'm met, it's getting ready to release all the music that I've been creating. You know what I'm saying? That's number one.

So you have a big project that you're super excited about on the way? Projects. Projects, yeah, yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, that's what, and that's the type of thing that's hard for me to speak on because you gotta speak for itself. I can never tell you how something's gonna be

like I wanna tell you. So it's just the only thing I'd be like, when it comes to the music and all that, it'll hit you when it hits you and it'll hit you soon. That part. But the music is the thing, but it's a lot of other stuff too. You know, I'm getting into just a lot of stuff

that makes sense with who I am in my brain and what I'm doing and what I'm passionate out and it's all coming together. And probably the next time we sit down, you know what I'm saying? I break a lot of it down because a lot of that's in the mix right now. But, you know, 6-3, you know what I'm saying? The new brand of music, all that, that's, all that's primary right now. That's how tall you are?

Yeah. Okay, me too. So that means a lot to me off rip. Yeah, well, say, you got to rip it down. It's a good height to be. Yeah, that's a good height. I'm out to get your shirt. It's a good height.

It's a good height. You don't look like a freak show, like one of these seven-foot tall dudes, but you ain't no five-nine either. Yeah. No, it's cool. It's cool. But now, like, where I met with it is new music, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, one thing that I'm happy about is that I never lost the passion about that, you know what I'm saying?

And the creating and putting it out and just that part of it, you know what I'm saying? And that's where I'm met now. Just giving the world of new music, you know what? We got a new single out right now that we're in the midst of shooting a video right now. That's a lot going on with that. But the new music is where I met. Right. Did you ever feel like you were kind of at risk for,

for losing your passion for the music or not seeing it the same way because over time you kind of you have to become as you become super aware of what the music can do it becomes kind of hard not to focus on the end result right yeah that's that's what it is you start it's like having a power realizing it and then you got to know how you want to use the power you know what I'm saying and if it was worth it boom boom boom but it all got to make sense like you can't just do something like with music you can't just be dropping music obviously people play the game but you just drop it you want to make a lot of money noise this and that and that's cool

I understand that but if it don't make sense in the end it don't make sense to it just don't make sense so me now it was times where I never lost the passion to making music it was just like it's just a lot of other stuff to do while I'm doing it you know what I got to a point where I don't just got to focus 100% at this moment to do this because that's what people want you feel like like it's other shit going on

I got a lot of other fly shit, dope shit going on that makes me just as happy. And I still got the page for the music. You feel me? Y'all just want to wait on it. That's my mindset. You feel me? But at the same time, I know I got fans and I want to, you know what I'm saying? Keep them because they want the music too.

But it's that type of relationship you got to build with your fan. The type of relationship I got with my fans, when it come, it come. And I got different type of fan bases. Different that they're like this type of music from me and different that they're like this. And that was always a struggle. you know what I'm saying? To be able to deliver to both markets? Yeah, because I heard that.

Like, when I became, when I started making singles, the motherfuckers that used to like me for mixed tape, they didn't like my single. They didn't like the concept, you feel me? The motherfuckers that liked the singles, they didn't understand why I just won't make singles. Like, you know what I'm saying? And for me, because I'm, I'm passionate about just the whole thing.

Like, I like doing both. And I'm, you know what I'm saying? So I always had a struggle within my own fan base. to keep both sides, which is what I figured out now, and that's why I got the 6-3 brand. You feel me? Because, you know, my 6-3 brand going to give a certain set of fans that like this, this, and I'm still going to have my droll brand to get, you know what I'm saying? So that's time, over time, you figure that type stuff out.

But, you know, it's good stuff, you know. It's all in the product at the end of the day. The product is the only thing that matters. That's what people care about. How good the product is. Don't fucking matter, you know what I'm saying. call it the Rudy's chicken is a place in Dallas

where you have been in Dallas? Yeah. You've been to Rudy's? I don't know if I've been to Rudy's. So Rudy's chicken is popping chicken place. You feel I mean? It's just like it's one of those you gotta go to a tight spot.

Every city got a fire chicken spot. You got to yeah. So Rudy's is there for Dallas. And honestly, and I ain't even for to be biased. It's going to sound biased. But I'd have been to every city chicken spot and it ain't fucking a Rudy's. And I ain't even saying that from that.

Because there'd be some stuff that's dope in Dallas and then you go to other cities and then you go and I'd be like I bet it ain't going to be. and it do be doper. But when it comes to that, nah, you ain't fucking with it. But Rudy's, this is the thing with Rudy's.

Rudy's got this dope-ass food, chicken, this whole thing. Over the years in the past, I ain't gonna speak out. Shout out to Rudy's. I ain't putting y'all down. Y'all the best, boom, boom, boom.

That customer service was trash, but the product's so good, it don't matter. You know what I'm saying? It don't fucking matter. So they customer, you get cussed out, boom, boom, boom.

It's the opposite of Chick-fil-A. You feel me? You know what I'm saying? But the product's so good that the line still wrapped around you willing to pull up with bad customer service because the product so good that tell you it's about the product now if you got good product and good customer service that's even better don't get me wrong right but at the end of the day motherfuckers only care about the product that's it the product is what motherfuckers care about and that's how i look at music

you know what i'm saying so it don't even matter like all the other stuff is cool but motherfuckers at the end of the day care about the product you've lived in dallas this whole time even through all the travel and whatever you always call that home dallas been the home whole time in Cali. But I've been in LA, man, from 2012, 2013 to now I've been back and forth. That's why my whole shit is Texafoonia. That's like my concept. You know what I'm saying? My movement is Texafoian. Right. Dallas, L.A., Houston, the Bay Area, boom, boom, boom. That's like my thing. You know what I'm saying? I spent a little time in Atlanta, a little time in New York, you know what I'm saying? But mainly Dallas and L.A. We've seen like a crazy, like,

generation of different like underground up-and-coming artists out of Texas over the last couple years is that something that you pay a lot of attention to or you keep your eye on like what's going on in the the scene like that or is it's kind of tempting to just sort of listen to the shit that you've been listening to or be focused on your own music like it's a combination of that you know what I'm saying because it's like like with me right uh like Dallas if your shit popping and you're doing your thing you're gonna come to the light where I'm I'm going to see you and vice versa. So, of course, I'm a boom.

I don't work with a lot of the Dallas artists of this and that. And then it's a combination with I am always in my own world. You know what I'm saying? When it comes to creating music and all that, too, most artists should be because that's how you really, boom. So it's like a mixture of all of it. It's like

how I listen to music in general. Like, people always be asking who my favorite artists are and this and that. I like everybody dope music, but I don't like if, who, name artists. If he drop an album today, I'm probably going to find two or three songs I like, and boom, I like them three songs, boom. I might listen to everything just because it come out and I get to it. I'm going to hear it some kind of way anyway. You might be in a car with somebody. They're playing

to go to the club when the club was existing. You're going to hear it. You hear it just different that, and I catch the climbing like that. But most of the time, musically, I'm just in my own world creating that shit, you feel I mean? And I catch stuff when I see it and stuff that's meant to come my way, come my way. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. So, But now Dallas on fire you though when it comes to a lot of stuff a lot of audience, a lot of producers It's a special it's a special city and I mean that for real yeah definitely do you feel like Like in terms of like the history of Texas and hip-hop it feels like there's a very Interesting and important new place for George Floyd in that whole history of Texas because

He was on the fucking screw tapes like he was definitely like a dude who was very much like a part of That whole community for a period of time even though he lost his life in Minneapolis How do you feel about that or how he's viewed? Like do you see him being sort of lifted up and celebrated as like a symbol of Texas in a way? Well, yeah, that was new to me. Like I had know when it came out that he was a rapper and he was on the screw tapes and I actually, you know, I remember I think, I think little Kiki posted on his page and that's where I saw it first. I believe, you know. I was so beyond shock when I realized it was on those tapes.

So when I seen it, I was like, oh shit and I heard and I was like, oh, he really was on there. So I didn't even know that at all. So I ain't going to lie and be like, no, I didn't know that at all. And that did change the perspective. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just a no. Because that's a special time. That's a special torture.

Like people can't say that they did that and was really a part of that. And it would be a real thing. Because anybody can say like, oh, yeah, I was around when screw was doing that, whatever. But that had been on the tape. It's like, that shows that you were in a very particular club at that time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was really in that.

You feel me? It wasn't no. So when I saw a little Kiki posted it. And I thought that was dope. And it made me look at the, you know, even, yeah, that bring them to a certain light. But, I mean, as far as rap, that just make you say, if you're from Texas, like, damn, homie was part of the Swisher House movement. You feel me?

Like, that's big, you know what I'm saying? And I'm pretty sure that in Houston, they're doing a lot to put him in their light because he really was there at some point, obviously, you feel me? So that's more of a, you know, that's what the OGs would do out there, you know, that would be more. how it resonate with everybody else, it's just how it resonate. But yeah, it definitely did change a lot of perspectives.

You know what I'm saying? That's another unfortunate situation. I hate that something like they got to happen, you feel it me, just for other things that like to come out, but, you know, it is what it is. But overall it was good. I'm glad to see that the justice is happening.

You know what I'm saying? And so something good came from it, at least that can be said. Yeah, I mean, like his name's going to go down in history. as being the thing that sparked off a huge way of a change in the country, either way. Yeah, and him being attached to Texas music and switch,

that makes that even dope. You know what I'm saying? This makes us all kind of feel like we understand the type of person he was because we all, like, you know, if you've been around Trey, if you've been around, you watch a Bundy interview or whatever, you can't help but think, like, this guy was the type of dude that would fit in

with all these, like, classic Texas characters that we all love. much if you're a hip hop fan yeah yeah now you're right yeah 100 definitely so uh yeah anything else you could tell us about the new music that's on the way or what we need to look out for yeah man uh 6 3 the project the EP the unlock EP you know what I'm saying I'm I'm trying to drop that in August the music been done I'm gonna be real with you it's it's it been kind of hard to gauge it because everything that's going on because I want to put it out and kind of be able to move around and like promote it do this and that so I just kind of been like

playing it by ear, but the main thing, you know, you know, I'm gonna get the single jumping right now. I got a new single car brand new, you feel me? Shout out to Goddam Dupre, the producer. He produced a lot of my new EP. Shout to Digi Norm. He produced a lot of my new EP that's coming out. And like I say, this is one of the things where the next time I come back

will be talk, because it's like the music got to speak for itself. Know the music coming, the music fire, you know what I'm saying? It's the product, you feel, me? And I know that's what my fans want. and the people that's, you know, the new fans that, you know, I've been getting, they want the product. So just know that that's coming and it's going to come at the highest level. I'm saying? That's all I can really say.

I know a lot of people want me to say more and speak more on the music and I really do, but it's just one of them things where it looks, when the music come and you see it, it's going to happen. I got to show y'all with the music that, you feel me? That's fine. I can't wait. Can't wait to hear it. Yeah, yeah. All right.

Well, thank you, DeRoe. I appreciate your time. It's been very good to get a little bit of a history lesson and find out. what's on the way yeah now i appreciate that 100 yeah thanks so much no jumper coolest podcast on the world check us out on youtube sound cloud iTunes like comment subscribe nojumber com if you want support uh-huh appreciate you yeah