No Jumper - E Dogg on Kicking J Mane Out of O Block, if the GDs are Blackballed, Losing O Block Louie & More

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

E Dogg talks about his early days, Chief Keef, Lil Reese, J Mane, Wooski, and more. ----- Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. It's 8 o'clock p.m. And we came all the way to the rack. Me and my boy, Remo, with the general E-Dog. Yeah. Flushing positivity, brodie.

Chilling, man. Happy to be here. Happy to be chatting with you. Happy New Year. It's a new year now. That's a good point. Actually, it's like late February. It's been a new year for almost two months.

Uh-huh. The year will come into like three months. You don't say Happy New Year to people. That's what I don't do. After three months, don't say Happy New Year's nobody no longer. So the New Year is very important to you? Let's see it. If you ain't see nobody, you ain't see nobody.

If I ain't see you, it's important. I'm like, happy New Year, how you feel? That's a good point. You had new goals for this year? Like, you know, I have a year's going to be having new year goals and shit? I got like be like more videos, more music, like, you know? Like, get more into it instead of just like playing around with the shit. So now you're trying to take the music series now.

There's going to go right. Like more videos. Yeah. You know, shit like that. What distracts you? Like, what do you get caught up doing that kind of takes your eye off the ball? Now you got to be comfortable. Like, you know, it'll be comfortable.

That's all. The vibe gonna be there, you just gotta be coming. Like, you know? Yeah. So you feel like you ain't, like before you wasn't taking the series and you're gonna be taking the series now? Yeah, yeah. Like, you know how you be thinking like, I gotta go, you know? Stuff like that.

Like, I gotta do it. Like, I'm gonna do it this year. That type of shit, you know. It's pressure on you to do it because you have to carry the torch? Never. Never. There's no pressure. There's no pressure.

They're going to respect in regards to what? They ain't no pressure. Voski, I already did. It's all what pressure it is. Not with me, though. Yeah, just keep on. Not with me, though. Yeah, no pressure with me, but.

Yeah, now, I feel it. Man, so damn, bro, we got E-Dog in the building, man. We go all over in Chicago with it. It's the first. Nah, you came with a BJ last hour. Yeah. Yeah, you were slumped. For real.

You were feeling the vibes. Yeah, it was a decent vibe. That's it. I ain't around for it. Oh, that was dope, though. Even just having you posted up next to him was still pretty iconic. That's my brother. That's my brother, for sure.

Yeah, for sure. Okay, so I guess we should go from the beginning. Like, when did you actually move to Obol? Shit. I was a kid. Like a kid. Grandma's school. Life, you know, gravel school years, like shit.

Okay. Where were you living before that? Shit, low-end type of shit. Okay. And so when you moved there, did it stand out to you a lot? Was it like way different than when you were living before that? It was like the same shit what I moved from. So it was like, well, I just moved from some projects.

It's a lot of projects like that, so it weren't really known. It was project built to another project. What was the purpose of movement to park where it was? Because they were saying a lot of the buildings in the low end got tore down or something? Yeah, it was just time we just been. It was just time. We just been there for two long. All right. You know, you're like, all right.

You know. It didn't have that much of a reputation at the time. No, it just like, OG. I was an OG time. OJ was a town ago. Yeah. OJew wanted to move from right there to, you know. Right.

She wanted to move. So, like, I was a little kid up there. Right. Like that. They were really nice. So a kid moving. Tired to be right there. Definitely.

Definitely. So, I mean, as you're getting old As you're getting older, when do you start, like, really being outside? Like, when does it stand out in your mind that, like, you really started to kind of form your friend group in the area and shit? My brother, like, it's like he went my brother. He won my brother, like, he was like a brother-in-law, he died. Like, his name was nose, he died. It was like, it was like, it was like a freshman year.

That's been like a real violent devil. Like, damn, son, you got killed, like, you got a kilt. Like, you got shot in kilt. You know what I'm saying? with him up. So like, that's what I really understand. Like, damn. Like freshman year, every grade, type of shit. That's with my brother dad. I'm like, damn. He dad from violent, you know. So I'm like, yeah. Damn. That happened right around Oblock or he was up? He was just like, you know, he was just somewhere else. Like, you know, I was going

up with him. He was seeing me type shit. So it was like that. Like there, he'd gone. And he was my niece daddy type shit. So, you know, like that. She was like four, five months when he died. So it was like, damn. Was that your first loss? Like family. That's family. They ain't got nothing to do with no street shit. That's what I realized. That's my family type of shit.

You want to know like friends. Yeah. Like a big brother's like shit. Definitely. So when you start actually getting in trouble? Because on Reddit we've seen a post that it was like 16 different e-dog mug shots. Oh yeah. I didn't get in trouble.

I never got in trouble, bro. It was just like, I was like, I was like, was doing nothing, like nothing. A little petty shit? Yeah. Like what type of petty shit they were locking you up for? Petty shit, bro. Like stealing or something shit?

Yeah, like trespassing. Oh, trespassing? Yeah. Yeah. That's all that was. Trashabassing. Damn, but 16 trespassing much, yeah? It was like you on the bar list back then, like, you know?

Like, you got him on the bar list. You know, I don't know. What had you trespassing that? It was like one specific area. Like on the block. Like, you know, there'd be different securities come. It was like, oh, this security call, all they had fired this company, come another company, you know.

They were trespassing you from Oblo? Yeah, because it was different, you know, different security company, you know. But how that work if you lived there, though? So like if you got an apartment in there, how they could trespass you from? So shit you live in there. Oh, all right, soldiers. Your ID got to have a son, you know. I went living there, so like, you know, I was getting caught up in goofy shit, you know.

You were ready by seeing it. It was just goofy cases. There was goofy, goofy cases, well. What's the longest you ever had to sit? Like two weeks. You know what I mean? Really nothing. Oh, so you ain't ever really just been in, though?

Like, had to sit down for a long time. No, no. It wasn't really much catching like 30 days off. You can't stand right here for a little two weeks, get out, tackle suicide type of shit, you get out, you know? I don't really not. Definitely. So all that's kind of prior to like 2010-11 when everything starts cracking off

music-wise? Yeah. Around that time, as long as you get booked, and shit, that shit was like, Patty itself. Oh, I am, I'm gonna get booked away and shit. So did that kind of like totally change the energy in Oblock and just seeing like rappers start making it out of there and all of a sudden there's just like a new reason

to be making noise? I was just like, it's been that. Like, my mother could have been there, that. I could have been there, that. Everybody could have been there that Mavon did. But, you know, Vaughn just around the right people and who he is. But going back 2011, this is like the social Yeah, GBE coming out and everything.

Yeah. He came on some, you know what was going on. Like, you know, social as a little bro. He knew, like, he know what's going on. So from the beginning, you've seen the potential that you keep had? Like, when he was rapping, like, you bleed him from day one? He used to go to his shows. His shows.

He used to go to his book, baseman with Keene, all type of shit, man. Like, he know, like, he know, man. He didn't got to get it to that, but he know, like. Yeah, but you seen the potential earlier. Yeah. around and he got stories, you know, shit like that. You know, he good, he good. He did right, shit, before everybody else.

He had his own man to do it. Yeah. He fought going to do anything. He had his own. Well, you think he got that vision from though, because you being around him, young and and shit. He just was like, yeah. He been himself.

Nobody went telling him like, oh, you're going to do this. He was on his own man, whatever. He was just ahead of his time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You said that.

So he was on one. He was, he still on one, you know what I'm saying like that. Were you closer to Reese or? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, where you and Reese relationship came from? It's hella old pictures of y'all hanging out and shit and children on the block. We're from the same area, same neighborhood, cross the street from each other.

So we locked in, we super locked in. Like, it's a different, different bond. We have a different bond. When you said cross the street, you're talking about O'block, No, like he was in like the Kaie Mnibu. Oh, all right. You were over there before O Block? Yeah.

So we were like, you know, we locked in. That's a different bomb, man. But she's got a real close genuine bond with each other. How you felt when you seen here I got booked recently? Close that book, I was like, one night, get that shit over away, man. He ain't doing that long. They ain't doing that long. Yeah.

He ain't doing that long. You know, that's how you talked to him. He'd be calling the phone and shit since he'd been locked up? I'm gonna be really into the jail cause. Oh, I'm gonna be into that. I don't be into that. I'll send something. I won't be into the jail cause.

Why is that though? It's just like, I don't be into it. I just don't be into that shit. Yeah, I just don't be into that shit. It is weird because you end up just kind of doing small talk because they don't really got that much to talk about or they don't want to talk about what's going on in there. They want little updates about everything going on,

but you don't even really know what to say, because life is moving a million miles an hour for you. And you kind of feel bad telling them about all this crazy shit going on. Yeah, and they think they're in a good place because nobody ain't there. They ain't around, so it's stuff like that. And some people don't know how to talk on the phone. And I'll just be like, I don't want to get bothered with that shit.

I don't be with that shit like that. You get the same to what police on the phone with you mean? I just don't like being on the phone. Yeah, on the phone, yeah. It ain't about no police shit. I just don't like I never was the fan of that talking to the guys on the phone. phones, yeah. I never fan like that shit.

So even when Vaughn and then was doing business, they knew not to call you? Well, I'm saying. I talked to them. It's like, like, do my phone off. Like, you know, I see you, talk to you when I talk to you. Yeah, yeah. Send my song. Not through my phone, like shit.

If I didn't do somebody else like that, but I ain't want a fan of it, though. I don't know. I'll feel that. At what point do you start rapping? Shit, I start rapping. When I was like, 2021 or something. Oh, that's late, huh? So you were trying to avoid it for like 10 years?

No, it was just like, I was just chilling. I could have been dead it. I was just like on some chilling shit, you know, on some chilling shit. And I like, you know what fucking folks V-Roy turned the whole? We feel to be with V-Roy on. We on, we're on, we're on, we're on, so, you know, we feel like all at the same time with folks on shit.

He brought us back together, so shit, we're all with the young. It wasn't about no. I was just like we, how come, how folks come. When you say he brought you back together, you mean like... Like the chemistry. All right. So Vaughn was kind of like the glue? No, it's like the chemistry.

Ain't no glue, everybody's the glue. Yeah, but so what you mean? All right, when you say bring them back together, like, some of y'all wasn't kicking it? Or you're talking like, he brought like the energy back to like, everybody paying attention to Yeah, yeah, everybody paying attention to the team. You made it feel like, all right, shit like that. Because like as an outsider, it is kind of crazy when you think about the history of

O'Block where like basically the two biggest rappers or two of the biggest rappers ever from Chicago came out of there. But the first one blew up, made it famous, but then pretty quickly ducked off and was like, nah, I gotta get out of Chicago for legal reasons, everything like that. And then Vaughn comes around and it's kind of like a different energy where he's like trying to really like film shit out there and like kind of seemed like he was a little bit more dedicated to really bringing everybody from the hood around and shit. Yeah, he wanted to do it.

He wanted to be like, he had his imagination. You know, I can't wait, ooh, that's what, whatever, how he felt, you know, that's how he felt. You know, that's how he felt, how he had, how he posed to go, shit. I don't know how he felt. That's how he felt. He felt like he could do it. Yeah, you know. I missed that, I went around, so I don't really don't know.

I don't know. I went around and shit, so I don't know how to shit. For what, the Vaughn getting locked up and all that? I would say I went around when he got on. I went around and shit. So where were you at, was at, though? I was out of vacation. I was on a vacation. I went around, so I was like, I don't know. What kind of vacation were we talking? You were off on a mission? Out of town. Okay. Out of town. How far out of town?

Shit, I was out of town. So it was a mysterious mission? Yeah, I was in like, I was in like Epstein Island at a town. Something like that, chill. Epstein's Island? Yeah. It's a secret. I'm glad I didn't just overlook you saying that. It was secret.

It was secret. That's not a good island to go to. There's a connotation there. No, it's good. We got your own spot. You ain't got to be over there. You got to be over there with everybody. Do you ever see Trump out there?

I don't know about it. I just know about me. Yeah. Yeah. If you're gonna go to Epstein's Island, I think you gotta keep your mouth shut about everything you've seen. Yeah, it's the positivity way. It's positivity way.

Definitely. So wait, what's your ethnicity technically? What? Like your racial breakdown. You know, some people would be thinking you white and shit. So what's your like, your mom are white or something? Yeah. Yeah.

Daddy Black? Yeah. All right. So was your mom living in Oblo? Your mom moved you to O'Block? That's what I was living with a kid. So where was your dad was in your life as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So what about like your siblings and shit? What was it, how many people in the household? I had, I had mom dead up, a couple more people, though. It was like I said, I had my brother that passed away now. So I had, you know, they weren't no pressure. I was like, oh, no. Yeah.

You want to pick, you know, my fucking choose, whatever they want to do. Ain't nobody just pick, like, oh, you feel like, you feel like, I'll choose what I want to do. I don't do nothing. When you first moved the O, or when your mom first moved you to O Block, was it a situation where it's like, I don't know how safe this neighborhood is or is, or like she was cool with it from the jump? That was the shit going on where she-

Like I told you, I just came from project buildings. Yeah. To other project buildings. So it was like- It was irregular to her anyway to y'all. Yeah, it's the same thing. Same shit. It was like better income or better living, you know. Instead of it was porches, we had hallways.

You know what I'm saying? All right, we got hallways that are porches on shit like that, but it's still, you know. You got playgrounds right here. We had basketball courts right there, you know. It was still a- It's kind of luxurious when you think of it like that. Yeah, it was still the same thing. So it was like a come on type of shit.

Yeah, you think it is. Yeah, but at the time, we're like, oh, hell, yeah, we came up. We got woodchucks. You got dirt right here, you know, stuff like that. You know, it's woodchubs right here. So it's, you know. So give us some, like, some early fun memories you had, like, coming up O block and shit, like, when all the guys, everybody hanging out, like, what I used to do

for fun kicking it and shit? We used to play on a crate. We used to have a hoop. We used to have a crate, right? But we used to have it on a gate. You said a crate? Crate, babe, but it's a basketball realm. We used to cut the bottom out.

We used to have it on a gate. We used to go down there. Like, let's go to the crate. We had the craik hooping. It's going down. Who are hooping out there? Who do best hoopers from O? I guess it's on they could hoop for real.

Like, Duke, Duke or who? Oh, word. Like, the people know, y'all know, it's other people that's cold that y'all don't know, like, you know, that y'all, I can't say that name because y'all don't know. Yeah, yeah. Don't know Duke, BJ. Full known BJ, dude.

There's a couple more people, but that's who I'm coming out of Duke and BJ. Yeah, yeah. You was hooping this shit with him? Yeah. What position you were playing? I'll just bring the ball up, spot up. You know, point this shit. Spot up.

Get him a couple of assists. I got one more. question about the race thing, do you take it personal when you see like Rick Ross calling Drake white boy? You don't know. You don't relate to that at all? Your white side to you. Because I got a black side though. Yeah. So it's like, man, I don't care about that, man. But to me, I feel like it's kind of f***ed up to me. Well, if we call him fat, like you ball hitting him. Oh, I call you fake, you ain't got no help. Right. There's a roast battle at the day. You're going to say whatever you got to say, yeah.

Yeah, as long as you get off, I guess. But it's never awkward having a white mom. Was there ever any situations about that that were kind of like people tried to use that against you? Or was it ever like any weird shit related to that? No, because it's like they accept me. Like, you know, they accept to me. Early on, because you know how niggas be bullied and shit. Because I came early.

Ah, yeah. And even when it was bullying, I wasn't getting bullying. You know, I wasn't getting picked on. Nobody can't tell you a story about me getting picked on. It's getting gold on. It is weird because like Drake looks much whiter than you. And even though that like shouldn't matter. Drake, Drake can't get dreads and shit like that.

You don't think he could if he wanted to? He can't. He should. He might have good too, but he can't get dread, bro. He's just not black enough. He might take that challenge. He ain't black enough. But he got a white mom, white mom, black daddy too.

But he ain't black enough to get dread though. You don't think so? That's a good challenge, Drake. You might have to get the dreads and prove it all wrong. then prove it all wrong. No, fake dread, the real dream. We got to see the phone. We got to see the little twist.

We got to see y'all. We got to see the process, bro. He can't do that. It can't be like that, buddy. He can't be like that. He's got to wear a spot in his career. He might not be time for him to do the dreads. Don't give him hell for that.

Especially if he got fake dreads. Oh, Lord. So when you move to O, like, who was like your immediate friend group that you, like, gravitated toward? Like, who was your circle? Oh, shit. My circle was, oh, no.

O.D. The Toul, you know, top, all of, like, leaves, you know, our circle. That was our circle. Oh, yeah, so you was with the O'Dar Gods. Yeah, that was our circle. So, like, Vaughn, T-Boy, all of us, you know, BJ Duke, all of us in our circle, like, you know, you was chilling, like, getting fresh, like that, you know. You weren't no bad kids at all.

You ain't no bad people at all. Yeah. No bad people. You feel like the internet and the world be thinking y'all. be thinking y'all bad people are some. Yeah, they do. They do. They do say the bad stuff.

I don't like that, you know. I don't need to look me up on YouTube. Don't even tell me where the blogger said. They ain't lying anyway. I'm right up. You see what I'm doing? Yeah. I don't know.

It's just, it's always got to be alive. Yeah, but it's better to be in that position than to be in the position that like some of your ops or like op neighborhoods where we talk to them and we realized like, oh, shit, they really feel blackballed out of the industry because they're not necessarily on the cool side of the popular artists. Like they, like, I don't be looking at them like, on like the music said, I don't look

at them as like, blackball. I just like, I look at it like, what a swag at, you know, like, what a, what a, what a swag at, what a, you know, what the clothes, what it, like, what a, what a sound in, like, it's something, something. I don't got sound, but it's like you still missing something. Like, nobody black ball is just like, you got an air thing to just be in competition with the motherfucking. If you want to be in competition with the motherfucker, you got an air thing to beat them.

Oh, well, not be better than them. They were saying it's a little blackball though, because, like, you know, when you got Dirk and you got Cheekief, they're the hottest in the game. It could be people like that. It can be people like, are we better than them? But can you beat them though? It's people that's like, they could say like, oh, he's better than Smurr, you better than Keith, but can you beat them though?

And you're like, can you think you can beat them? You could be better than the motherfuck. When they say the black ball, though, they were saying that since like Cheekee Keith and Dirk had the wave or whatever. I was saying that. Certain rappers ain't want to fuck with the other side because they wanted to fuck with the niggas who had it already. You can see that side of it?

Like, say with Drake doing songs with- They were phone them wrong. Yeah. Phone them just roll. Not even saying that they're not about like if they, they, they, they, they personalize, it's the music. Like, they're going off the music. They're going up to music where they be around and their music is not hitting on that,

brodie, for real, bro. So you take it as that. They're not going to their shit and look like they beats, like, you know. They could be sounding good. They can sound good, but like you gotta beat that person, bro. You can better. You can name one knock that you feel like have some good news. That you lied, he was a-a-a-a-a-it, even if they didn't take it to where.

I don't know, well. Ain't nobody really. He said, niggins. I go to some shit. Yeah. And I'd be like, damn, if they got to me, I'm like, what did they do to get a million views? Yeah. I try to list the lyrics, you know, the hook, the, like, what he'd do, what he sounded raw for,

you know? Yeah. I'll just do some shit like that. Like, what do you know? I mean, you can't think of a G. From Chicago who got music as good as a lot of the BDs that pop up. popped off realistically. So, but you wonder if the fans would really give a dude a chance or if, you know, it's

like a lot of the fans feel like they really involved with this shit more than they are. Yeah, the fans do be involved. The fans be the fan for the, the fans would get on anybody as though. They don't get on anybody as my ass, they ain't on anybody. So it's like, just got to push that shit to the side. Like, man, I'm a fans. They're gonna be, they're in the audience. They're gonna be.

But the fans affect a lot of shit. shit that go on, though. You don't feel like... Like me, I look at a fan as a fan and I tell them like, you know, you're a fan, bro, don't be trying to live or, you know, this shit look good. It look good. You don't want to be, you don't want to have my, you don't want to be in my body with your same mindset. You don't want to give my body back. You got your same mindset, though, but you're in my body. You ain't going to want to do that, but I don't want to do that. I had a throwback to that when Irv Gotti died because I was such a 50-cent fan when I was in high school

that I had to remind myself when Irv Gotti died of like, oh yeah, like, you don't have a problem with him. You just had a problem with him when you were 18 because you were so invested in the G-unit shit. Yeah, yeah, that's how I'd be. Yeah, that's how I'd be. He ain't even though. It ain't even, it ain't even like.

He ain't gonna be that deep, though. But not to him be that deep, bro. The fans just be, you know, so. You know, all the fans be. They don't care. No, definitely. All right, where should we go with this? It's a lot.

That's a lot we can go with it. Shit, boss I just got home. Yeah. Have you seen him yet? He said he ain't really been out. He ain't really been popping out to the O yet like that. No, bro, I ain't even been out, no. No, bro.

I've been to talk about tomorrow. I think of him, though. You know, dude. No, ain't been out, though. I've been chilling. I haven't been, oh, shit. He definitely seems motivated to make sure that he stays his ass out of jail and that he changes his life, though.

It's like, I feel like there's always that one jail bid. that kind of changes a person and they decide that they really want to live differently. And like, who knows where he'll be at a year or two from now, but he seems like he's really determined. Yeah. Push your positivity right now. You push a positivity. Do you feel like that's an overall movement in Chicago or it's just a little isolated pockets of people who are trying to... That's for me though. You feel like you're on that wave too?

I'm with a positivity wave. I'm just me though. I don't know if everybody else. I'm just with a wave. I'm with a positivity wave. I don't know if everybody's... I'm with a positivity wave. I don't know if a positive wave. I don't know if everybody, everybody with the peace wave. So I don't be with the peace ways because I don't be in school with nobody to push peace. So I want the positivity wave. So when you say pushing positivity, what you mean? Like you know right for wrong.

You know right for wrong. You know what to do and what not to do, you know? But the positivity way, you could still get mad at people in the positivity way. Yeah. It could still be that. So that's what, that's what happened with you and J-Man. You got mad at them, but it was still in the politics. I don't know.

I don't know. Oh, I want to mad at him. All right, so, all right. So with the pushing piece thing, Jay Man came... That's his thing. I don't know what he got on. I ain't.

You pushing positivity, but Jay Man came to Obot to push peace and... I don't know, though. I mean, I don't know what he was on. The narrative was that he came to push peace, right? I don't know what it was on. I don't know if he had a bet. He had a bet. He did have a bet.

He did have a bet with Sean Conard. He was on. You want a push and peace, gang? He had a bet. You want to push a beat? But we were talking about it was on. Yeah. But we were talking about a bet.

I was talking to Rainwater about that yesterday, and he actually said that the reason why he didn't pay out on the bet was because when he made the bet, he said you won't go to O Block with eight sixty-third members. And I think to him it was like a different scenario because he pulled up with a couple people with a cameraman and like a security guard or something. He was pushing, he on some content, saying, man.

He had to go for a bet. He won't be some pushing piece for real, bro. If he was pushing piece for real, yeah, let's see some peace with shit. Let's see some peaceful shit. That wasn't those people's shit. Soon after that, he on the end of that. Yeah, I'll get my money.

That wasn't none of that, man. Then he got the nerve trying to send bro, and those kids money. That's not right, man. That's not pushing peace. So you feel like it was indignant? He wasn't being generous. I mean, genuine.

He was using people. That's what it is. They weren't genuine. He used them. But some positive, you don't think some positivity, He peased, bro. He peace.

You can't say positivity no more. You say positive to need. That's your shit. All right. So you don't think that's a start to like, all right, let's slowly get this going. You know what I'm saying? Like seeing y'all come together. But all right, outside of the bet, though.

But he's not. We're going to focus. We made a bet. We can't say nothing else. He made a bet. We can't say like, oh, no. Besides the bet. His point was the bet.

But the bet was because they were saying, like, it's too dangerous for him to go do that. He puts your peace. So, why you woulda bet if you push the piece? I don't know. It's like whatever he felt about it. I don't know. But to be fair, like he's doing all these interviews and shit, like talking about it for, you know, a year or so before that.

But you and him had had kind of before he started doing the whole push-a-piece thing because you guys had kind of gone back and forth in interviews. He started. I don't know what he was up. He said, yeah, I ran into you in a barbershop and he made you get on out of there some shit. That's where it really just started. Yeah, he's throwing stuff, bro.

You're trying to humble. Huh? He wasn't a humble and stuff like that. I don't know what he on. Now all of the son, I don't know. He said he was pump figure. Maybe he said he was lying about the whole thing. Remember he said?

I was lying. He never did that. He never read. I was loving him. All right. So y'all did see each other in a barbershop though? I just seen through me and going to my car, though. I was getting my head done.

He was running to my car. How often is it a situation where you might run into a, to a nigger like that or a op. Like going to the barbershop, going to the studio. It could be often. Like, you don't know. Especially places like that.

I ain't like that. Like studio, barbershop, gas station. It's often, you could open the door and be like, ooh. You know, it's often, really. It's often the sea of a shoe stove. It's often. It's awesome.

We got a little bit of a sneak peek of what that's like out here because we booked a different spot to do this podcast. And then as soon as we started looking at who owned the studio, we started to realize like, oh, probably E-Dog would not feel comfortable there. Slash would think that we were on some weird shit. We looked at the dude's Instagram and just sort of started to realize like,

oh, he's super tapped in with people that. And Nick Muteu's was the opposite of the, you know what I'm saying? He won't push a positivity. I'm not saying that. I don't know that. It was looking a little too mixedy. I was like, nah, we don't need to do this thing. You ain't wrong.

Y'all know some. Y'all know some. Yeah, tight shit. Yeah, I ain't wrong with it. I quit it. Yeah, all right, but now back to the J-Main situation, though. So it was, you know, because he labeled it that he got kicked out of O'Block, but you just raised the voice a little bit and what was you saying to him?

You said, move around. I was like, I walked up. I was like, ha ha ha. He let us in on the psychology behind move around. Like how he took him? No, no. He said, you didn't say moving around. He said somebody else said move around.

I don't know. I was just like, if he was pushing piece, he didn't push peace the right way, bro. Yeah. Like, you know, if he was on some piece shit, he didn't push it the right way. If he had stuck around and just had the conversation with you, you think that shit would have cooled off

or you think shit would have got wild? Like, I don't look, I don't show no respect for how he moved, you know? Like, how he came on a block, then he made a bad. how he came on the block and then after that it was a bet so I was like I don't respect that brodie now but you find out about the bet after the fact and I's the way he moved I still ain't respect it like when I seen how he was moving I didn't respect it and what you didn't like

was because you felt like he your generation so you feel like he should have tapped him with somebody I'm saying if he was on some pushing piece if he was on some like gangster pushing piece shit yeah let him get up with somebody that you know if you was a gangster not if you're linking I'm not against him. If you were against it in heart and you want to push beats, I'm going to get up with somebody that's like, you know, that I was dissing. Oh, you went, you went, I don't know. I don't know what he own.

Would it have seemed more genuine if he had taken down his old diss videos? It's like, at this point, it's like he's making money off it. He ain't gonna take that shit down. But the old music videos, it's like, it's history. I understand why he doesn't want to take down music videos with his dead friends and shit, but if those are super disrespectful, I mean, it would make sense to take that shit down. I don't know.

It was what you want to do, shit. You could tell him what to do. He's a grown man. You remember seeing him back in the day? Like, what's your memory of what he was like back in the day? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know what I was saying? His brother, skinny, not him. But he was just, like, internet. Shit. Everybody ain't know each other of us. This shit comes from the internet, bro. I know, ain't nobody knew each other personally, brother. Nobody, no, I knew each other personally, though.

This shit comes from the internet. When you say that, what you mean? Like, personally, like, nobody knew each other for the internet or a motherfucker. Just telling you about it, one, man. Nobody, I'm fucking get up on the motherfuck. You know? It would be, y'all be saying that some of y'all was friends and shit, and then, like, people chose sides to, like, you have to do some of these...

People be hanging with, like, when you hang with, like, when you hang with, like, you, When you be friends with people, it's like, where you hang at when they hang at. So it's like, shit, they're bad. They said, we just didn't really into the, you know. Y'all's been ahead. Y'all block, y'all were hanging on. We was coming hanging on y'all block. Y'all come hanging on our block.

It's just like, really nothing. So it was like shit like that. So they just been, it's been like that. Yeah, so you're saying it was been section off, but it just. Like, we was cool. Yeah, and they just cordial tight shit. Yeah, like that. Do you ever watch a movie and there's like weird, hidden,

messages in it. Like there'll be like a sign that says something on the sign and that kind of relates to like what's about to happen in the movie. I feel like him wearing the jacket that said, you pay me was kind of like a weird, like, it felt like a weird movie thing of like that was like a. That's like a folded message. Because look at how he took it. He took it as like, oh, you just basically like are here to make content and shit,

which that jacket kind of is like communicating. You know, he's been here in his mind what he was going to do shit. It was like, I would just like shit. like right. Did you feel like a bully when you saw him crying in the whip after? He was crying? He got a little teary-eyed.

Yeah, he did that. Man, oh, the next crunch is, man. Next crush, man. No, it wasn't like a full-blown cry, but it was definitely like, you can see he was trying to kind of hold it in. I don't know, no. I don't know, man.

He stuck to the script, I guess. Do you think that, because he had tried to go there like a couple days before with Tate Savage. And I guess that, like, Did he even get in or did you just like go to the outside or some shit? I was on my way.

But next question, though. I was on my way, though. But next question, though. He left. I was on my way. Ah. Oh, or. So he left because he knew you was on the way.

I was just on my way. He just left. Yeah. Tight shit. What's your relationship with Tay? That's Brodky, you know? That's Brody. We didn't be knowing each other for a long time.

Yeah. I'm Brody. We know each other for a long time. We see each other as, yeah. We see each other. He knew each other for a minute. Streetwise, though. Yeah.

So he's been rotating around and shit. Yeah. I've only been with me and T-Bow and shit. What type of person was T-Roy, man? For the people, you know, T-Roy and they didn't get dropped all the time. What was y'all on when y'all's kids? What was y'all doing for fun and shit? We were like more of like protecting each other.

More like, I'd be like more of wanting better for each other. Like that, like that. It was more like that. Brother like that, more want better and protect each other at not taking shit from nobody's like more of being like a leader to each other as a friendship, you know? Like that. How do you feel about everybody trying to take school from him? They were saying he created the schoolroom shit, right?

That he was the first person I seen saying on YouTube. Yeah, but phone knows. The phone was the school was first, though. You said who was? I was a school first T-boy. Boy, we was just around phone them saying that. So it's like, we Folsom was, that's what the business and Folsom was saying. Fosome was saying. Oh, so somebody else really cracked at. Who you give, who you get credit to it? The cuckoo game, though, man. Cuckoo game, no. They really go to school, was, man.

They really said the shit, first the word. They're ready to word, though, you know, but now I'm gonna take shit. Such a random word for so many people to like try to lay claims to it. And try to claim, everyone's trying to claiming now. It does sound cool, but it's like, no, I never heard anybody from any other city try to, like, think up lingo with that. Yeah. Well, that's what people do, though.

People take words and just take that shit and just dump that shit. Good. Mm. They say y'all took smoking on Tuka from them. I don't know about all that, bro. They said they were, they said. I don't be into that dissing, like, you know? Yeah.

But, nah, like, a lot of them said that they was doing that first, and then, I think Chi Keefe did it in the song and kind of took it from them. But they were saying that first. And change the meaning for the whole world. I don't know because I'm going to be into that dissing. Like, I don't be into that. Like, I don't be doing shit like that. Like, if I'm around my guys on, shit like that.

All right. So when you hear your guys doing the dissing and shit, you don't never be like, hey, we're pushing positivity. We might need to chill or you just let them rock out. My guys don't be doing that, though. The people I be around, the people I be around. Like, they don't do that. Like, here today, they don't do that.

People probably rap about it. All right, they rap about it, but it's just rap, you know? I've got to, like, rap about that shit. That's what I guess people want to hear that shit. All right, so you're saying you cool with them dissing in the songs, but, like, just do IG live. That's what they do. Like, if they do, if I'm around, that's what they do on their own time. I don't hear the songs they make till they come out type of shit, you know?

But if you're pushing positivity when you hear it, you don't never check them, it'll be like, I think we should be come with a different approach. We're tweaking, brodie. We need to stop doing that. We need to get on some other shit. You need to, you know? Like you got to get different, different songs. Like, everybody wrote.

Everybody rowing their own way. You don't got a diss them. Like, you don't got a dist them. That's what they're waiting for. But I feel like you're, and like, O'Block in general, you guys are kind of used to being in the spotlight, and you've definitely seen the negative side of putting people's names in the music and legal situations and losing loved ones and shit. It feels like the people in Chicago who are still really like overly dissing, a lot of them

are kind of like, you know, a little bit hungrier for the attention and dissing dead people definitely get you that. But also, like, you're older. So you've kind of like had a bit of time to mature and just want something a little different out of life, you know? Like, when it was started, I want, like, I had this. You know, like, when I was, we was taking, I was at that day, I want to have, you know, this. I want, like, on the internet, all that shit on Twitter, that shit, whine, I ain't,

got on Twitter page. All them tweets, that shit, it's not me, brody. Oh, for real? That's not me on Twitter. It's not me, bro. I don't do that, brody. I don't sit up and make tweets, bro. I'm, like, no more of Instagram.

Yeah. I don't know. That's like Facebook, bro. I don't do that. Sit up there and read, repost or tweet. Oh, then make your little caption. I don't do shit like that, brody. Family on a laugh, a little story,

pictures, like shit. And I know a tweet or no Facebook. No Twitter, no Facebook, brodie. I feel like nobody in the drill scene is on Twitter anymore, but then when you go back in time to the early 2010s, it's like everybody was and everybody was saying, wow that shit as if the cops were never going to find out about this app.

You ever go back and read some of that shit? Like, yeah, niggas was tweaking on these tweets. Hell you. I was like, damn. Why was that? I didn't know what? I didn't see that. Yeah.

I don't remember that. Now they do it on their story. It's at least a little bit more temporary. Yeah, you like that. Yeah, because, okay, there was a classic Chief Keith tweet where he said, the one dude that I always love from the block was E. Yeah, but he still love me. We still love each other.

That's my little brother. We still got a bond with each other. Like, we still can reach out, talk to each other, you know? Yeah. No, he's still, he's still Gucci bandana with him. He still ain't sent us on though? No, we still, we still, we gotta, we gotta look up, man. There's shit like that.

That shit ain't gonna come like that. We gotta see each other in person, you know. What'd you think we take, what would be the hold up though? Like, us, me and him. Yeah. It's me and him, there's nobody with me and him, us. It's us. So we gotta make time for each other type of shit.

Yeah. You think it's like an ego thing where you guys both don't necessarily? I was like, we gotta make time. You gotta make some time. Like, how you gotta make some time for your girl? You just gotta make some time, you just gotta make time. Both of y'all gotta make time. You take two to do everything, like shit, you know?

That's all they gotta do. Take some time, make some time for each other. We'll be all right. Definitely. Um, okay, so at least one of the running e-dog themes is that you seem you have like a thing about the Joker. Oh yeah. Where's that come from? Because you honestly seem pretty chill for the most part,

which is kind of the opposite of the Joker, who's this, like, maniacal psychopath. It's just like, I'll just be like how I'm feeling. You know? That's how I'm feeling right now. I'd be saying, they have everybody are joking at. I'm like, damn. Everybody's a joke of that.

He was not the Joker for real, bro. Don't like that. People be putting up the Joker, they're not the Joker for real, bro. He is not like that. You been carrying that torch of the Joker. You post that shit on... A couple of years now. That shit on your iPhone screen.

Yeah, yeah, Rusky right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you like that Joker more than like the cartoonish version? No, it's just, it's makeup off. Yeah. So it's just like shit like that. You're an overall comic book fan though? No, I just like, it's so crazy that I ain't into that.

Like the Marvel shit. I let that a marvel one time, but I'm just to the Joker though. So what draw you to him though for say, like what characteristics? I was like, I ain't wanna, like, it was the time I didn't want to, like, It was the time I ain't want to get on IG, bro. Like, I ain't want to get on IG. I just ain't want to get on it. They show my face, and I'm like, what I can do?

And I was just like, chilling like, you know what? Wow, y'all, he do be twicking like that. I'm just going to put this up right here because I was looking at the movie. I'm like, well, I do be tweaking like that in my own way. It ain't just like how he'd be doing dumb shit. I don't do dumb shit like him. He's just like, how he thinking certain ways, you know? Yeah.

There's no doubt. Rage the shit, as he do outrage and shit. I mean, like, honestly, when you think about some of the more extreme drill rappers we've seen over the years, for sure, like, there is a little bit of a Joker persona in that because when you think about the Joker, you think about him like robbing a bank with no mask on and making some crazy scene and doing it in kind of like an artistic way, which is kind of like a rapper thing. Yeah, yeah.

But I'll just be like, party in my own way, though, like how I'm feeling as far as like right they're doing and now. Nobody don't even know how I'm feeling about the Joker. They just think it's look cool. I did it because I didn't want to be on IG and I'm like, I'm just going to put that right there. I'm just going to put the Joker right there because I don't want to show my face type shit. That's what the idea I came over to the Joker type shit.

I don't know where everybody else came over it. That's how I was feeling like the Joker. If you're the Joker, who's Batman? I don't know. They got to find it, they got to find their stuff. They got to find their stuff in that shit, well. That's a big shoes to fill.

Yeah. That's how they got to find themselves, bro. For sure they do. Definitely. How do you feel about the King Vaughn Miro getting taken down

and down the street? It was like, more like, it's like, I know what's going on so it was like it was a reason for it. So it was like,

it won't really not. I ain't feel no type of way about it. It was a reason why. It was a reason why. Just too much shit for the store to deal with? No, it wasn't a store. It wasn't a store.

It wasn't the store. It wasn't the owners or none. It was just a reason why I just had to just go down. So I wasn't mad about it. I respected it. What do you think the cops were like trying to get it? We'll get it right back though. We were gonna get it right back.

We'll be right back like when we get hot. We'll be right back. We'll just gonna get a better picture than it. On that same building though? Yeah, we'll be right back. Yeah. Well, what's the reason though? Like if I could put it back up?

No, it was messed up. Oh yeah. somebody vandalized it, right? I was getting messed up or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's happened in LA too. There's like some famous Nipsey murals that at a certain point that just kind of took it down because it was just getting fucking too much.

If you got a mural up that like half the time is disrespect on it, it's like. It was coming up there burning and stuff and stuff like that. So it was like, all right, we had to turn it off. It was getting looking ragged me and stuff. Was it pressure to like to protect the murder? Like, because you know, niggas just be trying to troll. There wasn't no pressure. It was just like, don't you.

Don't be doing those stupid shit. Just be show him respect, you know. Fuck this block. Fuck what you're all. Show him respect. He's a person that can still. You're still a person. Just show him respect.

Don't be no dummy and be like, oh. People be doing like that. How often y'all see just random people just pull up to that spot and y'all might not know the car? I'd be ducking it, brody. I don't be trying to be a hero on a block, well. Yeah. But not what I'm saying, though? Like, how often you like, is people just random fans just pulling up to the-

Oh yeah, I've seen like random fans, like deepest hell they out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really love folks. When you see shit like that, how to make you feel? Yeah, I would like folks really was that. Like people really love, like people pull up. There's a lot of people who pull up just to see that shit. I'm damn, folks like impact this shit, for real though.

For real though. Do you feel the impact y'all had on the world though? Like, you can feel it? Yeah, I knew what, like, if I went around it, I knew like, well, because I know him, like, as a person. Yeah. I just know him like how he's coming, man. Can nobody tell him, no. Can nobody be him?

Only he could be himself, shit, type of shit. Only he could do wrong. It's like shit, you know. Caleb B recently tweeted out that, I think, because Mama Duck was suing King Von Estate and Little Dirt for, I think she was saying that, y'all, people profited off the death of her son or whatever. But Caleb B said the charges got dropped recently.

I don't want to speak in there, bro. I don't want to speak that. I don't want to speak on that, bro. I don't want to speak on that. I ain't on that. But is that even a thing? Can you, can people sue? I don't want to speak on it, though.

I don't want to speak on it, bro, he. Yeah, I feel like. I don't want to speak on that, buddy. For real, though. You had a relationship with Caleb, though? Like, how close? Yeah, that's home real, you know? Yeah, it's like you kick it when you see each other.

What about Asian dog, though? Y'all still got a relationship and shit? Yep. We be rocking out when we see each other, too. We rock out hard when we see each other. We rock out, yeah, we be rocking out. We rock out. now if I'm going to lock out.

Who saw any street people and shit that like that you're behind the scene that people might not even know that y'all cool and locked in and shit. I'm f***le teegrily. Yeah. That's the one we know though. We've been knowing that T Grizzly been rocking with y'all. T.Grizy. Give me T.

See, yeah. Alright, so one of the T. Grizzie was coming to Chicago and O'Block with y'all early on, right? Yeah. I'm a fat trip. I f'all with T. A f' boy too. Word. I f'u a high boy too.

What a high boy bond came from? We were just out in Houston or something. I ain't know. A high boy didn't know me. He didn't know me through something else. We was kicking in Houston and shit. We were just at the concert in the juice world. I was a four high boy down soon.

T. Grisie's, though. That's my boy. I'm fucking rigid. He had to say this shit. Definitely. Um, okay. You talked to big mic since you got out of jail? No.

But been Mike a part of your crowd? Because Ball Stott said he was a nigga rotating with y'all and shit early on. But I ain't hear you name him. So how you feel when he did what he did? I ain't got no comment, man. That's Borski. Yeah, I ain't got no comment though. That's Borski, though.

Yeah. But he's not Broskiy Namoto, right? I ain't got no comment, though. That's Borski. I ain't got no comment. You think it's important to keep all that kind of shit behind the scenes in terms of like who's getting along with you? like who's getting along with who and whatnot internally? For them?

Shit, I'm cool. I'm talking, I ain't don't talk for everybody else. I'm talking about it. I don't know. Shit. I'm cool with the motherfuck. I ain't going to put it behind the seat of all for you. I'm going to let you know like shit.

Ain't none of that. So, yeah, I don't know what other than the motherfuckers got going on behind the same. Because that's something I've said on other interviews is that O'block more than any other area of Chicago seems like they're real committed to. to not putting internal business out there. And there's, like, certain questions that people just want to know the answers to so bad and they're just left waiting and they just don't really understand certain situations

because you guys just kind of keep shit a little bit more quiet. I'll just be, like, cool, shit. You know it. It ain't nothing like, the motherfucker got to answer. It's like, shit. I'm going to fucking. There ain't no static. You wouldn't know of some static.

That should be all on the internet. There was some shit going on. It'd be a lot of shit on the internet that don't be true though. Shit. It'd be hard to decipher what the real was not. It's believe it. Because you know you'll come from the internet and ask them off so you believe it in. You believe it in.

Yeah. You don't know. Or even if we don't believe it, we're just going to ask the source to clear it up. Because like, niggins stole shit out. Like, all right, here's something else. They said, Trench's news said that he took you to Jiro City one day and you was hanging out with him and Lil'B. Trench's news was somebody that you was kicking in the way back in the day.

I knew till. He's like to tell, man. Oh, so you did know him, man. You know him, man. You know what? Skirk of the man, man. Man, no business, man. He didn't know the, man.

He didn't know, man. Yeah, I knew. Yeah, I know. Trich's good, though. Trish was good. He's good people. He ain't, you know, he ain't doing shit wrong. He's doing what he do.

He ain't doing that wrong. He ain't surprised me at nothing. He's doing it? He's still good. So you didn't feel away when he was taking a stand and doing what he did in that aspect? I don't know, bro. I don't know. about that. I ain't here about no shit like that, brother. I just know he had a podcast and

be good. Putting my fuckers up on updating my f***. And keeping people. Y'all, y'all fold him. You know, I'm a swiper? Because that's what he... I know him as Tiel. He know me. Yeah, no, he said he knew you. He said that he's, y'all be rotating and shit. But I'd be confused because he said he was living with duck. Then y'all, I don't know. So I don't know. But he was really cool. He ain't, he ain't wrong. He ain't, nothing wrong in my ass with them. Are we on the same page together, shit? As low then.

Yeah, for sure. I feel like if a lot of your closer friends were to take the stand in a high-profile murder trial that you probably wouldn't be so accommodating. I don't know what, them guys, I'll just be like, I don't know, bro. You got to get it tapped in. There's this page called The Chicago Wave. There's a lot of shit going on out here, man. Oh, no, I'll just be like, you know.

Just leave me alone, shit. feel about niggins snitching on the dead, though? Is that snitching? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, like, come on, man. Like, you know right for wrong. Yeah. You know right for wrong.

You know what you, you know, you know, you know the cold, you know, right for wrong. You know, you know, he had, you know the rules. So, like, yeah, that's wrong. So that's wrong. And even niggas, like, Bousie was mad at Tia at one point. Because Tia said he told him the dad or some shit. I heard a lot of gangs who say that. Different structures are different folks, though.

But for you, that's, that's out. Right. I don't put myself in a predicament, so it's like, I don't know, guy. I want to put myself in no predicament. I don't put myself in no predicament. So it's like, nah, I want to put myself in a predicament. And you know Butter personally? Like, was Butterer somebody that was rotating around too?

Yeah, we knew him. Yeah, we knew him. Yeah, we knew him. We knew him. We know me. Like, oh, man. I mean, some niggas, you knew and some niggas you know. Yeah, we knew.

He knew. He was the truth. He told the truth about knowing us. You know, you know? He's telling truth about the bus fight with Vaughn? He was like, he was like in his, Vaughn going over Vaughn's. He was like, you know, he's more of like,

a little brodance, you know? Yeah. He's more like, I'm like, he won't more like in my Ella. He was like in Vaughn's, he really, no, man. Bossop was, uh, had some harsh words. He said that he's the six-nine of Chicago. I don't know, sir.

I don't be on there. I don't be in. I don't know. So you look at T. Roy and Vaughn as the younger guys then, because you said that's his, their little brothers, though. Oh, so they little bro to you? Yeah, that's my little brother. Oh, word, right, right. They big boy and other niggins.

Maybe big boy and other niggins out of here, you know. Yeah, but they little bro to you. I'm, I fuck with that. Like, little brother. Like, they ain't no little brother, like, far as, like, they, like, they, like, I respect them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't no little boy, no. Not no son of them type shit, but, like, you know what I'm saying?

It's a respect. Yeah, they on that. If I'm on that, they, if I like that type of shit like that, yeah. Why Obloch love eat off so much, man? You like the golden child of, you're the golden child of Obloch, man. Everybody, I'm just like, everybody love you. I'm just like Ever Presley, bro. I'm Ever Presley, buddy.

And Michael Jackson, because you love Michael Jackson. Well, yeah. Where do Michael Jackson love come from? Because you are, I've seen you talk about Michael Jackson and shit. That's my popses shit, man. My popses would be Michael Jackson with the kids to be doing Jackson Fav at talent shows. Oh, like dressing up and shit? Yeah, my pops.

Oh, that's hard. Oh, that's hard. So, like, that's how I got up on him because he was to be, Michael Jackson, with the Afro, the black one when he was a black little kid. Oh, that's weird. There ain't pictures from that time period? Yeah. Yeah.

Really? He's got dances and friends and shit. I don't know. You know, Jay-Z tried to use a picture of Prodigy when he was a little kid dressed up as Michael Jackson. He tried to use that to, like, discredit him and ruin his career. I don't got no pictures like that. No? No, I said my pops do.

Oh. I ain't got a hell hell no. I want to dress like that. I got regular pictures when I was dancing. Yeah, no. T. Roy and she keep was dancing and shit. Yeah, phone of it was dancing.

Like slow dancing. Like, I ain't talking about like that type of dance. They dancing for the girls, bro. What should I call it, though? Because it was like some belly shit. They slow dancing. It's called slow dancing.

Slow dancing. Slow dancing is like slow dancing. Slow dancing, no. You sway back and forth. Slow dancing, no. What slow dancing? This is slow dancing. This is a slow dancing.

This is. This is. My fucking. Slow dancing is, you know what slow dancing is. You got to put a gruel on the wall and you just slow dance on the, you know, people just be hip rolling in the middle. That's called hip rolling. In the middle of the circle, that's hip rolling. Slow dancing, put that girl on the wall, and you get to doing what you do.

Just grind on his grind on. They be doing all that. They be doing what they do. The hip roller, that's when you can do hip rolling. But put a girl, don't be in the middle of the flow, hip rolling with your shirt in your mouth. Go over that to that girl. Put that girl on the wall. With that girl in the corner in that wall

Yeah, yeah, shit like that. So you wasn't hit rolling, though. The guy. I was getting juke in shit. I was a juke in person. What's jukeing? Juke. Like, you're getting juke in.

What's your girl? You'll be like a girl like a girl like you're juke apart. You know juke and part? You know, I don't call it a juke and part. What did it? Break it down. Juke apart? He's like, you getting juke on a girl.

You know how I grew up turk on you? A twirking on you. All right. For sure. That's jerking. We're like, hey, jook. Give me them get a Jewie look here. Yeah.

Now it's twirking now though. You know? Throw them, we throw that ad, you know. But it's a juke party. In Chicago, it's juke parties, such shit. Oh, that's what you call it. Yeah. So the parties and shit was really where all the shit was starting and shit, they said that the

niggas were going to the parties, be house parties. They get to fighting and shit at the parties and shit from different blocks. And that's how a lot of shit escalated. That shit every, that shit still go over, brody. Yeah. This is, this is a recycle, folk. This shit ain't started. This shit started before us.

They were doing this in the 80s. They was having little parties and shit. But during y'all, it kind of like heated up a little more, especially when you got like the internet adding to it. Then you got- People want to be grown. People want to be grown and stuff like that. So it's like, yeah, people want to be grown and doing grown things around that time.

So yeah, for sure. How do you feel when you see like New York and their version of drill has a lot of dancing? But that doesn't seem like it ever really made its way out here. I'd be like, that's how he'd do it. I don't judge. I don't judge it. I don't judge it. Like, well, about somebody like me out there?

They respect him like me. And he's getting started and doing, you know? Yeah. You know? He'd be like, oh, yeah, that's cool. That's cool. I was like, oh, brossey getting that. I'd be seeing him off a guy.

I'm like, damn, brosky getting that's sturdy. You know, if we want to learn that shit, okay, brody. You ain't gonna lie. Yeah, me. I don't want to learn that shit, low key. But you don't feel like it's for you? Well, but we want to learn that shit, bro. You know what I want to learn.

It's starting. Yeah, I want to learn. Like, some little dance is not all the crazy shit, but just like, just the little dance dead. Like the New York little dance there. They'd be like hopping on one foot and doing this with the foot. Yeah, just be standing still and just do a little dance. I'm definitely too old for that.

Yeah, I was going crazy with that shit, though. That was marketing right there. You know, you come up with a good dance. I'm with a heart attack. What is that? Maybe beating on their chest. heart attack. I ain't seen that one,

yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, I got you. I didn't know knick was calling out the heart attack. Yeah, the heart attack. I was, I f***ing with that. I felt like to be doing that shit. On that's video, we need you getting sturdy and a heart attack. I gotta know how to, I gotta be on beat with that shit, buddy.

You got to learn how to do it. Yeah. If you come out with a dancing music video, that would be a whole new e-dog. I'd be like, what? I'm gonna tee him up. He really took our advice. Yeah, I'm gonna tee him up, man. Yeah, I'll get a TikTok going.

That's what they were saying that, like make a juke song for the girl. I'm gonna try that shit. You probably get signed if you came with some like crazy dance music. Yeah, that's what going on. You looking to get it, dude? Like, shit. It gotta be like, you gotta be like right, man. Yeah.

Like, you gotta be like right. It can't be no. For the little boy, a little moment shit, should gotta be making sense. Well, I gotta work for it to get right, you know? Shit ain't gonna just be saying, oh, I'm gonna be right. I gotta work, they'll be like, all right, let me understand what I'm doing.

I'm doing type of shit, you know. My one, you want to deal with, like, what you're working for. You got people that give you advice and shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's somebody that you listen to and that you, they give you advice that you actually going to listen to and take? Shit, I got a couple of motherfuckers. I got little brothers that give me advice that I take heed in.

I got big brothers, you know? It's like, it's a lot of them that I take heed in. And they're telling me like, bro, you, you don't even know. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm on him. nigga though. So it's like, yeah, I take heat and like waking up every day, knowing like what I've been through like, damn, you know, I don't be like, I don't know trying to. You appreciate this shit. Yeah, I don't be on the China like, oh, I'm doing, I'll tell them what it is. First quick, though.

I asked boss talk this the other day, how many people you think you lost in your life, even if it wasn't just to gun violence? For family members. To friends and all the Natural causes, all type of shit. Yeah, how many people you think you love for your life? From like family, like aunties and shit. You count aunties to, because there's been a lot of, you know, Chicago known for people dying, gun violence and shit. If we put in a family included, it's a lot.

If we put my family included, then, like, the streets included, then it could be like, it could be like little kids that I knew, stuff like that. It's like, it'd be a lot of, it'd be a lot. You had to put a number on it, though. It'd be, like, more than 100, bro. More than 100. Like, it'd be more than 100. It's caban my family, the streets, and, like, seeing little kids, females, all that caban.

They'd be like, oh, yeah. So when you know you lost 100 people that you knew, how did that make you, you know what I'm saying? You got to cherish, bro. Yeah. You got to know how to, like, before you even, like, get mad at anything, you got to cherish this shit, bro. for real, though. Like, you can't, like, before you get a catch your attitude, get aggravated, you got to cherish everything, bro.

He's like this shit for real, like, cherish it. Like, I understand, like, what you got in front of you before you be taken away, now you're mad. You know what, like, how my . It could be like, there can be anything. It could be a parent or friend, and my un-fielgook would be like, ooh, I wish I knew that. Now, you didn't know that when they was ill.

You just ain't cherish it. What do you think, like, because, you know, some people would be having, like, Survivors and shit. What do you, would you, uh, credit- I don't believe in grieving, folks. Oh, you know why I don't believe in grieving though. Like, I don't believe in grieving because I feel that you know a time got to come. Yeah.

But anybody ain't. Anybody, it could be anybody like, I don't, like me, I'd be like, I'd think about it and cry. Yeah. But I ain't gonna sit down, like, damn. Yeah, you ain't been the same, bro. I ain't gonna do that. I probably said like, damn, folks gone.

I can't get, you know? I ain't gonna, cause it's like. Everybody got a time, so it's just gonna hurt you. At one point, you were grieving more than you probably ever did, and then now you got numb to it, right? No, it's like, like. Your first losses you take, you're gonna grieve a little bit. I'm like, I already didn't, like, felt.

I felt. Let me ask you this thing. I really didn't feel it to, like, T. Roy, folks. Like, I had people that, like, you know, I have my homies, no. I passed away, but I ain't really like, damn. I really like took a real cry. Like right now, like crying after blue, is what T. Roy. So T. Roy hit the hardest.

Yeah. That's when I found that about Cherish. Like, damn, I ain't, you know? So I'm stuck in a thing. I'm gonna get on fuck about this shit. They got ya, I didn't roll. I bet. Where did you at when you found out T.

T. I was, like, in a crib or something. And my fuck was called. I was in a crib. I was in a crib. Yeah, and someone broke the news to you? Like. He called me, like, man, they were trying to talk to him.

Oh, shit like that. Went out to the hospital and that's about that shit. That was little shit, though, man. You know, all good. He's good. I've, like, lost people through, you know, like, car accidents and shit. And it's, like, it feels like that's more of a celebration of their life type situation. Whereas, like, somebody gets shot or overdoses or whatever.

It kind of just feels like, damn, like, this didn't have to happen. It's hard to be, like, celebratory. That's more like a grieving type vibe. I still be like, like a coxswain, I'd still be like, what do my son deserve, though? Like when stuff people give it, like when people go to jail, anything, I'm like, what they was doing is dessert at. Like what they was doing, they was doing good to me.

Yeah. You know how that shit, though, man. Well, it ain't good with their self. What a fuck got to know their self, bro. They even be around me to be around you. They got to know their self to be, you know, to be comfortable, bro. You're religious? No?

No. No. No Christianity, not a Muslim or anything? No. All right, because a lot of people who seem like being, you know what I'm saying, converting over to Islam or becoming a Muslim and stuff. What made you not take that route? Like, how come you're not religious?

Like, I ain't, like, I ain't got time, bro. Like, the timing like that, like, you gotta, like, I look at that, like, studying. You know, like, how they, how the Muslim, you know? Muslim greet each other. I'm used to say, what about, brodie? You know, I forget how they greet each other, how they say, you know, you know how they greet each other. I'm gonna forget it, so it's like, I ain't got time for it.

To learn it. Just like, I ain't got time. Yeah. I can learn some shit. I just ain't got time. What about, so you don't believe in the higher power? Yeah, it's good, you know. I know somebody bigger than somebody.

You know, for real, it's somebody always bigger than somebody, brody. You know, for real, it's somebody always bigger than somebody. And there's been no pressure on you to convert you, niggins ain't been trying to You know, not really. Not really? Not really? No. No.

There ain't, there's no pressure. Like, it depends on you when you ready type of shit. Yeah. There's no peer pressure. It seemed like a lot of people did convert when it was in jail. Yeah. On the most part. And since you said you ain't really sat down that long.

Yeah, no. That's probably a reason why you ain't really. It's just like, I ain't got tan, bro. See, my time, it ain't on that time. Like, if my time was on that time, yeah, my time. Yeah, my time ain't know that time. What do you think happens when you die? I don't know, shit.

You don't think about it? I think, but I just, I don't know. I'm just living, shit. I'm living like, whatever God wrote down, he gotta roll down. Whatever he got rode down for me, he got rolled down for me, man. I ain't in a rush, he ain't in a rush, shit. He ain't in a rush. I ain't in a rush.

What do you credit, because, you know, you watch, if you've been keeping up with the Chicago drill scene, We didn't lost so many people to it. You know what I'm saying? And we didn't, like, the fans seen, like, one year a nigga here. Then you can name 10 niggins that died in one year. Would you credit yourself to being able to move and survive and move correctly around Chicago for so long?

Shit, being positivity, being around the right people, though. And knowing yourself and figuring shit out. You know, you gotta be around the right people and figure it out. yourself bro because you'll get stuck bro. I've seen a lot of the motherfuckers get stuck and you know, like damn folks real life stuck or she real life stuck or they real life stuck. Damn, I don't see no different than them. You gotta be different, show different air day with yourself, you know.

Figure this shit out, bro. This shit ain't hard, bro. You be learning from other people's mistakes this seem like, right? Yeah, yeah, I learn from my mistakes. Yeah. I teach people my mistakes. Like if you around me, I'm like, don't you see what I just did? Don't do that?

What's a mistake that stands out as a learning moment? It could be anything, it could be a, it could be, it could be, it could be a disrespectful moment, you know. It could be a moment you just overreacted, you just crashed out, you know, when you train yourself. Sometimes you got to train yourself like, I ain't for disrespect, or I ain't going to crash out, or I ain't for it. You're training yourself to do that and you still do it. That's a mistake. Like, you'll feel like, damn, fuck I'm crazy. Especially off some goofy shit, you know.

We were just, we were just talking about the whole. concepts of crashing out. Like, it feels like the, the term crash out is almost like interchangeable with just being like a gangster because it's almost like the code of being a gangster that if you see somebody that you got certain issues with that you kind of got to do something that could obviously land you in jail or cause you to lose your life or whatever. Do you, like, how do you feel about that? I don't be, I don't be looking for shit because I ain't ducking shit, bro.

But if you're looking for me, I ain't ducking shit. I don't look for shit, so that's why I ain't ducking shit, gang. If you come looking for me, I ain't ducking your ass, you know, I ain't ducked, I ain't, you know, I ain't looking for shit, you know, I ain't looking for shit. You ain't never thought about moving out of Chicago though? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Which is like when you do that, you gotta have, you gotta have a plan already, you know. You gotta have a plan, bro. You can't just go somewhere and just don't know nothing. Yeah, bro, you gotta have a plan. They were like, all right, this one, I'm gonna go here, bop, I'm gonna go on here, bop right here, and, right, you know, you gotta have a plan already laid out, folks. But you feel like you would miss the environment?

Because you got your whole social network around you and shit. Hell no, bro. You know, man. There's a lot of people be like, be like, damn, I miss y'all. But they'd be like, the people that's dead, they were like, bro, you ain't missing out on nothing, bro. It's not on that. My fuck that's there that you think want to be in your spot. You want to be in their spot.

So it's like some, it'd be like, it'd be fucked up. People be fucked up like that, bro. But you think you'd be able to be ducked off in like Texas or Florida or some shit, but you don't know that many people. You ain't never low key though. Like you ain't gonna be low key like me. They ain't gonna be low key. They gonna know how that's, you know.

But you're gonna be like 10 times less famous in some random part of Texas than you're wrong here. No, I'd be more famous out there. out there then, like, more famous, like, more famous, I'll be more like, out here is like more like respect, don't play out there. It'd be more like, damn, let me take it. I was just in the gas station. You eat all they, they just, they'll take a picture, let me take a selfie with you, you know? Monefiel see me in a gas station, want to take pictures with me, brodie.

So it's like, it'd be love very well, buddy. It's like, it's all what you want to do with yourself. But if you moved to Texas, it would be like almost no change. chance of like negativity coming your way as a result of where you're from or who you're associated with whereas out here obviously that's a constant idea you never know who the opposition down there you don't know who down there's possible yeah you could be like oh you can put on your page I'm out in Texas you don't know he been down here say shit you don't know like you trying to chill the whole time motherfuck on bullshit so it's like you got to just you just got to

just how the same mindset brodie like where you go. Just how shit planned out. That's all. Just how you shit planned out. And you'll be all right. I'm telling you. How you should planned out for you move?

You'll be all right. Shit, was you in Chicago or not Chicago? Was you in Atlanta during King Vaughn album? The day his album dropped in the roll up and all that? I wasn't around. I wasn't around when bro took off. Yeah. I'm on the round.

I missed all of it. I came back around with folks from gone, so it's like, I missed it. You missed the studio sessions and all that? No, I missed all love. Everything. I came back around when folks was gone, so it's like, I missed that thing. Yeah. It was cool, though.

It was good. What's your favorite Ken Vaughn song? Cooling. That's King Vaughn, Cooling. It's called Cooling King Vaughn. What's your Fair of Cheeky song? My favorite Cheeky song. Appreciation.

Appreciation. Yeah. Put the mic a little bit more. Oh, too. All right, for sure. So rest of peace, O'Block, a little. He was just kind of starting to like really do interviews and have people like understand who he was more. What can you tell people about what kind of person he was since people are really like mourning him right now?

And I'm sure you are as well. He was more like, it was more like his cell phone. He was herself. He wasn't too much. He ain't going to give you too much. You're going to be yourself. He ain't going to, he ain't know something else or none of that. He going to just be yourself.

He ain't going to be too loud. Only have, he around his people. So he ain't gonna be, he gonna be stand up by everything. So that's my little brother, for sure. Wooden, he gets my vote. He got my vote. For sure, he was with me, sleeping in the crib and shit, really, for sure.

Okay, what, there's one other question I really wanted to ask. Oh yeah, so we've seen the videos that you and Gleese doing like community outreach, giving back to the community and shit, like that. Like, is that something you guys always been doing or when did that get initiated? Man, bro, shout out to our, um, supposed to be, supposed to be doing his own thing. You know, we, shout out to our pastor, you know, he'd be around, you know. Is that the pastor that was living on top of the roof? Yeah, Pastor, bless he, you know, really helping us, pushing positivity for that, for our block,

giving us opportunities to, you know, do things good for ourselves because he synced us growing up. So he really showing us like, you know, the giveaways that, you know, to make us to appreciate. So like, yeah, shout out to pastor. That's, yeah. He do what he's doing his thing for it. Yeah. That's hard. So.

Definitely. So there was this old clip of you where you said that Wooski was your little brother and y'all used to be on FaceTime and shit back in the day. Like where that relationship come from? Like I knew him since he was a kid, man. Like, the real kid. Like, kid, like playing with cars and shit. I've been to him since he was a kid. So it's like, he ain't gonna respect me.

I don't respect him type of shit. He ain't gonna never be like, you know. He ain't gonna never be like, ooh, he's always gonna be like, stop playing, you know, since we knew he, you know, that's a little bro, you look at me, you know, how that shit goes, man. Ain't no bad blood with him. Yeah, but you ain't never tried to get him in Vaughn to squash whatever they had?

You know, Vaughn on the songs, too. That's like, it's like, well, It's not you can really. That's what, you know, they got respect. How they, you know, he show respect for me. Shit, that's all. It ain't not too much. Nothing too much serious with that shit, Brody.

Ain't know what. It wasn't not serious with that shit. How did you feel when you heard the news that dirt got locked up and how you think it affected Chicago music scene in general? I don't even want to comment on that, Brody. On that, bro. I don't even comment on that one. I don't even comment on that.

I don't even comment on that shit. Too real for the net? I just like, that ain't my tea. Good. That ain't my tea, you know? That ain't my tea, buddy. How do you feel about the current state of Chicago, rap and drill and general?

The rap... The rap scene is that. It's decent right now. I ain't going on. It's like, it's decent right now. I ain't going to lie. It's decent right now. It's like, I just like know everybody's going to do.

I just like know everybody who's rapping. Like, it's all the youngest. And I just know all of them. That's what happens. Like, well, if I know them, I know of them. Or they know of me, or they, you know, type shit. They know me for real. Like, all of the-

Who you're rocking with? What's shorties going on right now that you go with? It's like, it's all they ass is going on. Names and some of the fans listening right now, they might go to them. They know who they is, man. They know who Chicago crazy rappers, the young crazy rappers is, man.

Crazy rappers is, man. Even from Oblock, who the new... Nike, man. Yeah. My shorty Blitz, man. My shorty J-Fo. All right. Be on the look for my shorty Mike, Mike too, man.

My shorty J-Fo, Mike, Mike. Buck, all my Shottys, all my Shorthy, go watch out for them. They're going to be on their way in a minute. On the minute, they'll be on that way. That's what we got to look out for. Y'all for J-4. Watch out for J-4. You got something in a vote.

You got to come out to cut in there when y'all let him. Word. J-fold. Remember J-Fold, Brody. So how serious you plan on taking music this year? C.S. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna shoot me a little video next week. I got some shit scheduled up. I'm gonna shoot a video next week and get this shit so I could just keep it going. I gotta just shoot a lot of videos, though. Not just one, I gotta keep going. Studio time. Be C-as-this time.

Sure. Uh, shit. Anybody you want to shout out? Anything else else? We need to cover before we wrap this up. Damn, I said I was gonna shot somebody else too, man. Oh, shout out to my sister, she can be here, man. Montalucan? No, my sister Nina B and she can be here, man. Shout out to Cutno.

Shout to Cutno, Fiatel game. Shout out to Cuttingham, man. I want people when they come be here, either, man. Shout out to my other brodie. Spider, he couldn't be here either, man. Shout out to him too, man. Love y'all, push your positivity. push your positivity, man.

Okay, I got to ask this question, though. It's like you obviously could have pulled up deep. I don't know if you even want me to say this, but you pulled up solo. Because I'm pushing positivity. That's how you move? You just, you ain't worried? I just, I just, some quick shit, I ain't got to, you know,

I ain't got to really be too much in my beds. It's why I ain't got to move too militant. It's just like, it's me. It's just, I'm just myself. If you're going to see me, you're going to see me. If you're going to do something, you're going to do something. Just worry about yourself. It's funny having that reaction, though,

because people always have that reaction to me that I'll pull up for shit just me. And they'll be like, damn, we thought you were going to come with the whole crew. Yeah, believe, have what you see and know what you hear, Adam. Yeah. Like, I just left the crib. I didn't even think about calling it.

Oh, bro. You know, type shit like that. That's what I'm on that type shit. I'm like, you know, Dola out here. I'm talking about me in Chicago late in night. You know, by himself pulling up. I'm like, how I say that? I'm Michael Jordan.

I got a statue around this motherfucker, man. I don't feel that. Yeah, before we leave, man, what I always ask, though, who would you put on the Chicago Mount Rushmore? What I put on? A drill music. You know, it's usually four, but I'll give you five if you need five. You got to be, you know, it got to be shorty first.

You know, it got to be soul, shorty first. It got to be dirt. Got to be my nigga Recy. I'm not playing. All right. You got to be my nigga Recy, though. You got to be my nigga Recy. I'm not playing.

Dan Vaughn on that bitch. Dan Vaughn on that bitch. Then, Vaughn on that bitch. Let me see, man. You got one more. You know, you know, I'm going to put on that bitch. I'm going to put a top on that bitch. You got to put a top on that bitch.

I don't know what I'm talking about. Got to put a top on that bitch, man. Say that, say that, man. It's smirk, sosa, Risi, Von, the top, man. I'm fool, no. Come on, man. That's the business right there. There we go.

E-Dog. You did it. In the rack. Yeah. E. They feel they can do a part to it. minute, man. We got a little

something planned. Keep your eyes peeled, we got a little surprise for the beginning though. This shit is going to do so wrong. We got another one.

We got another one for the coming for me, bro. All right. Yeah, let's do it, man. Let's go. Come on, bro. Shout out Remo.

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