No Jumper - Eden The Doll & Friends Describe Transphobic Attack on Hollywood Blvd

Episode Date: September 20, 2020

Eden The Doll and her two friends Jaslene Whiterose and Joslene Flawless were the victims of a brutal attack in Hollywood last month, which made national news. The girls sit down with Adam to tell more details on the situation, give updates and what they plan to do moving forward. https://www.instagram.com/edenthedoll/ https://www.instagram.com/jaslenewhiterose/ https://www.instagram.com/joslynflawless/ ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No, Jemper, coolest podcast on the world. Today, we have a very sort of different podcast, I guess, than what we're typically doing. We're going to be talking to Eden the Doll and her friends who were involved in a fairly traumatic fucking incident that went super viral all over the internet. Can we get some introductions first, I guess? Well, I'm Jasmine. Yeah, I was one of the girls that got me done. Right. We'll run through the whole story once we do the interesting.

introductions, but okay. Hey guys, I'm Eden the dog. Hi, I'm Jocelyn. And so how did you guys all become friends in the first place? So funny enough, both of them were my fans beforehand. Wow, really? That's so cool. No, yeah. And actually I met Jocelyn first because she went to my first meeting grade like in 2015. Uh-huh. And then Jazeline would message me for advice when she was like 18. Like I was when I first had, um, I never, I was like the first trans person I knew. So, So, like, when I started seeing her online, I was like, whoa, like, there's this beautiful trans girl that's, like, telling people that she's trans I didn't understand. So I would, like, hit her up and, like, ask her for advice about, like, what to do with, like, guys and, like, just in life. And she would, like, help me.

And I ended up running into her in, like, an event. That's crazy because I was watching your channel. And what's the name of the girl a lot of tattoos that you have the video up with? And it was kind of like that with her, too, where she was, like, watching your YouTube channel for a long time, like, really interested in, like, your whole thing. So maybe we should talk about that first. When did you start doing YouTube and were there a lot of other people doing similar content at the time that you started? So when I started, there were like maybe two or three other girls that were doing YouTube. And I remember like watching videos.

And by the way, do I talk to you or do I talk to? You talk to me, yeah. Okay, so I remember watching videos and thinking like I would literally be in the comments being like, oh, you should do this. You should do that. Like, why isn't she doing this? What shouldn't she doing that? And I just like stopped and thought like, bitch, I could do this myself and I could do it better. Why am I over here judging this person when I should be on camera doing it myself?

You know, so I started to make videos. I was really self-conscious, like, with my voice, with how I looked and stuff. So that was always the thing in the back of my head, which stopped me from doing it. But met a boyfriend. And then at that point, I didn't really give a fuck what anyone thought. So I just made the video. Did really well. And then it just kept going.

Right. Because I assume that that kind of content, like, fills a huge gap of, like, what people need because it's, like, kind of inherent that when you're young and you start. to have these feelings of realizing that you're not comfortable with your, you know, given sexual identity, you just naturally are going to go online and start looking for advice and start looking for, because there's so much to learn, there's so much to figure out, you're not sure where you fall on the spectrum. So, like, but did you have that sort of confidence early on? I've noticed you've gotten a lot more comfortable, like, in your videos from watching the old ones till now, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. See, like, at first, that was the case. I only had two or three girls to look up to, and I really didn't, I wasn't the same as them. So, like, I felt like I was, I needed to do that myself because obviously no one else was going to do it aside for me. So in the beginning, I was just so self-conscious. I was, like, a little kid, you know, I was 19, 20, and I hadn't had, I just hadn't been myself for enough time. You know, I was self-conscious, but I also was a different person.

I felt like I probably thought I was prettier than I was, you know? And, like, I just, with time and with age, I just became better, I feel. Right. You just get more and more comfortable. More confident with more surgery than more. I mean, I don't know if this is a weird compliment, but like I barely even recognize when you walked in because I was watching like videos from a year or two ago when I was getting ready for this. And like your change has been so dramatically. You look so much more feminine now. Is this weird for me to say or is that that a good compliment?

Thank you. I guess that's why you got the surgery, right? Yeah, thanks. That's crazy. So, okay, what was the kind of things that you were getting from her channel when you guys first? tuned in. And did you not feel like you had guidance or

like role models to necessarily turn to in that way? Well, when I started my transition at eight years old. Wow, really? Yeah. So when I first did it, it wasn't really anything that I saw on TV or like on YouTube or anything. It was just what I felt and I did it.

And then when I saw her, I'm like, I was in the closet for like years up to meeting her actually. I didn't tell anyone because I just felt like it was dangerous for me. to like be out and then when I saw this girl I'm like this girl is beautiful she doesn't have to tell anybody like why would she do that and then like I would message her and be like how do you like what makes you like feel like you have to do this and she would just be like I just want to share

my story so it makes it like easier for people like us right and I just thought that was like amazing so is that did you know when you were as young as eight like is that normal to like have this hunch like I told my mom when I was four years old I went up to her I was like I want to be a girl And she thought like, oh, you know, whatever. He's just going through things or whatever. But then, you know, now I'm a woman. Right. I mean, they both technically started before me.

Really? Like, but I just became public first, you know? So I had the feelings ever since I could detect the difference between pink and blue. Right. But I grew up Jehovah's Witness, so I wasn't able to actually do it until I was 18. Right. And you guys all from, like, L.A. area? Is there something you moved here?

No, I'm from New York. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm from Chicago. Oh, wow. Okay. Cool. But yeah, so do you, because it's interesting because I feel like there is a lot of like conversation about trans stuff like in the public eye in the media these days. But then at the same time when it comes to like actual role models that you could look to on YouTube that are like living the experience that you're having, it's interesting how even up until a couple of years ago it really didn't feel to you guys that like there was that many people out there.

Yeah, I mean now they're like the internet's bombarded with tronies. It's literally everywhere. Right. But that's good, you know, because if me and the other girls didn't do it at first, no one would have came out. And, you know, someone that was eight years old and didn't even tell anyone, now she's out, you know, so now there's more people doing it. So I feel it helped make more girls comfortable.

Definitely. So you've just been doing the YouTube thing. I guess here's the question. What the hell are you guys doing on Hollywood Boulevard that day? Okay. It's the pandemic. It's the middle of the pandemic. No, I will agree that regardless of the situation doesn't justify what.

happened but we should not have been out at 2 a.m. on Hollywood Boulevard that is obvious right where are you going though um so we were at a hookabar okay you know how they have hookabars that's only that's open really right now so they still have kept those open yeah because it's like outdoor so they're allowed to be open it was boring night um they're a really good friends so they usually hang out a lot without me and that night I'm like I want to go out with you guys so we went out and it was just really really boring right so we're like let's go get let's go to the hookabar let's go do something, you know, but it was really just us three anyway. So, we get there and, well, that's when everything started.

Well, when we were leaving the hookah bar to go to our Uber, that's when the whole thing happened. Right. And so, okay, for the people out there, like, how did it initially become a situation? You just had these random guys start talking shit to you? Okay, so for everyone that doesn't know, all three of us got verbally, physically, and, I guess, actually attacked. Like, I mean, we got attacked. We got robbed. We had, we were assaulted.

Right. I'm in Hollywood Boulevard because, not only because we're trans, I mean, not only because, you know, general, but basically it was a hate crime because we were trans, once people found out we were trans, right? But initially it was a robbery. Okay. So at first, do you think that they even knew you were trans

and they were just trying to take your phone just because they were scumbags? So what had happened was we ran into the first guy at one of the stores, you know, hustlers. I was buying a few shirts. A little tourist vibe, okay. Ran into the guy there and he basically was like harassing me initially and like I just let it be whatever we end up leaving and we go to the hookah bar like we were there for an hour or two and then after when we were leaving nowadays even to get here to order a fucking Uber, I can't curse. To order a fucking Uber it takes like 20 minutes now to like for it to arrive. So at that point I didn't realize that it's 2 a.m. order an Uber 20 minutes.

to get there. I'm like, fuck. We look around. It's dark. There's just... And we couldn't wait inside because, like, it was closing. The hookabar was closing. They kicked our asses out. They, like, tell us to get the fuck out. Time to go. So we had to wait outside and, like... And so my dumb ass is waiting, like, this with my phone out, all blonde and stupid, right? And, like, I didn't... I had never been robbed or assaulted in my life. So, like, I was just, like, waiting for the fucking Uber, looking around, complaining. And then before

I knew it, snatched. And, like, he literally snatched my phone. And, like, at that point, my phone was on. It wasn't at... Like, he could probably just go and delete my Instagram if you wanted to, right? Or go and look at my news and stuff and post them. Like, I was like, I was just thinking like, oh, my God. Like, before I could even respond to them, we all just ran after him to get my phone back. Right. And we get to him.

I end up getting my phone back. But at that point, a crowd had formed. And I guess one of them, two of them, whoever it was, clocked us. Clocked means that they found out we were trans. And then they were like, oh, those are trannies. those are this those are that they're men men men and once they said that he turned we literally had had already walked away we were like we were like to go in the car he turns around and he's like they're they're what they're what and that's when he like went crazy yeah and that moment was when the video starts

that's when the video really like it just automatically makes you feel kind of sick to your stomach because you know we all live in our own little bubbles and it's like I don't feel like I know anybody that would ever want to hurt a trans person for no fucking reason and it's like you see this where that's like the automatic reaction from some of these people and that is like the really really disturbing thing of like sort of realizing like oh you might feel like the world has changed a lot but it really hasn't for a lot of people and like number one on the list of the types of people that probably are not going to be like sort of woke to you know treating people equally in our regard is scumbags who are hanging out on Hollywood Boulevard at 2 o'clock in the morning

yeah anybody who's better out of it's not the most high quality people are I mean, even like looking out of like not even a trans perspective, like, why are you so angry that somebody is just living their life being themselves? How does that put so much anger in you that you decide that you want to attack somebody? It literally makes no sense. It's crazy. It's like just to see that up close and personal. Like this feels like something that you maybe wouldn't be surprised to see in the 80s or the 90s or something, but to just see someone that heartless to somebody about their choices was just like kind of like I felt like that was a big part of why that video went so viral. Especially in Hollywood too.

Like I said, initially it wasn't even because you were trans. He just wanted to rob us. So afterwards, I mean, I think, I mean, I speak for her and myself because we actually live together now. So, like, we've both been really oblivious to the idea that anyone could even think we're trans. Or just even, like, we walk around. I think we walk around with our head's little big thing like no one's going to know. But, like, at the end of the day, she had, like, she posts video saying she's trans. I posted videos saying I'm trans.

It's just like. At this point, there's going to be someone that's going to recognize that. and like I'm not like I'm not famous in any means or anything but like I'm people know who I am especially in you know in LA so it's gonna happen I just never thought that it would happen like yeah I didn't think that like anybody would ever hit me because of it right because I mean I'm sure you've had people like say shit to you throughout your lives but the violence thing is this the first time that you've ever had anybody actually react to you that way yeah I'd like not for me uh you want to say your story I mean I mean

When I was younger, like when I first had transition, I think once I got into high school, I kind of came into myself and, like, was confident about myself. And I was very, like, I didn't think that, like, in the back of my head, I never thought the right thing to do is to, like, you know, let people know because I thought that, like, if I did,

something like this would happen and I would get hurt. So I just kept it at my business, and I wouldn't tell anybody. And I actually, like, hung out with this guy once, and he found out while I was with him. And, like, almost the same thing. exact thing happened. Really? Yeah. He just assaulted you once you informed him? Uh, yeah. Wow. That's fucked. Yeah. When do you think it is appropriate to have that conversation? Like, if you guys, if one of you met

a dude in Starbucks tomorrow and you're talking, like when, when does that conversation come up? Well, okay, it's like I hold a fucking sign in the back of, like in my forehead, seeing him with fucking man or something, you know, like, I'm not gonna, like, it's, and I'm not a man, I'm not, but like, um, I think the best way to do it because obviously I'm at Starbucks. I'm not going to literally sit you down and tell you I'm trans and like I don't know the reaction I'm going to get it. So like that's not the right way. And people get so upset that like, oh, I don't tell people straight up or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But how am I going to tell someone at Starbucks that I'm trans? That I don't even know a complete stranger, you know, like, what if I don't even like you? You know what I mean? Like, so at that point, if I like him back, follow my Instagram. It's all in my Instagram, right? But even if then if he doesn't see or even if then we go on a date and I still don't tell him, I think after the first date, meet me however you want to meet me, and if you can make your own choice after that. And then on a second date, that's when you should probably say something before the second date.

Because by then they met you and they got to know you. They got to see how you are in public. Clearly other people don't think a certain way about you, you know, because that's a big deal to guys. And yeah, I mean, personally, I've never had a better reaction. So this is the first time for me. me that I've experienced something like. Do you feel like a lot of dudes are into it and maybe don't want to admit publicly that they're

into it? I don't think that's the, that's really the point. I think the point is you cannot deny the fact that you're attracted to, at least, like, I'm going to say, this is going to sound really cocky, but like, you know, let's say like, I'm not even saying by yourself, a really pretty trans girl, right? A really pretty girl you see. You see a picture of her, see her in public. That doesn't have to be me, it could be her, could be her, right?

you're attracted to her clearly because she's a pretty girl. You go up to her, get her number, whatever. She just happens to be trans afterwards, but the attraction will always be there. Even if you find your answer after knowing if she's trans or not could be, well, maybe I'm not into it or maybe I don't want to have sex with you. Maybe I just want to have sex with you.

I don't want to go on a date with you anymore. Like the reaction, their intention will change after they find out, but their initial attraction will never go away because you were attracted to me the moment you saw me. So my, me telling you I'm trans will not change your attraction. You can't, not suddenly ugly, right? Once I tell you, like, I'm not suddenly a different person. I mean, maybe that's part of why the angry reaction comes out.

Because they're like, I'm fucking, now I know this about myself. Like, some guys are. Yeah. Yeah. They're, like, want to hurt us because they're upset with themselves. Yeah. Like, you're upset because you're attracted to me. But again, like I said, if no one would have known I was trans and no one, I've never would have been out or something.

And like, I actually would if I. am a real girl, like it doesn't change the fact that you're attracted to me. Yeah, we can't, we can't help, but you can't change the fact that we can't do something in your mind to automatically think like, oh, we're tricking you, we're doing something. Like, no, you have that initial, like, attraction. And that's just like your natural instinct. But for the comments, like I said, the attraction will always be there. But yes, maybe once you find out that I'm trans or not, your intention with me will change. You might not want to date me.

You might not want to have sex with me. But I will not become ugly the moment you find out. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense, you know. A little trick that you get one more there. Ha ha. Little did you know. Okay, but so in the video, after you get your phone taken and stuff,

then he actually starts chasing back towards you. And at some point, this kind of becomes like a fucking posse type vibe. That's when, like, all the crowds started forming. It was, like, groups of men just taking out their phones. And then there was, like, lights everywhere. Mind you, everyone's screaming, like, while this is happening, everyone's screaming, oh, those are men, those are tranny. So while we're getting attacked, not even, like, trying to help.

Like, just like, enticating. That part was so fucked up. It's like the village people like fucking rallying around. Yeah, like go get them, go get them. But what's crazy to me, maybe I'm fucking oblivious, but what's crazy to me is like, how do they know all three of us are trans? Right. It's like once one is, it's like they're all. It's like all of a sudden you all are.

I will say this, I hang out with a lot of really pretty like playboy models and girls and stuff and they're all the same height as me. They all sound the same as me. They all bodies look exactly the same. So if one of us is trans, they're all trans. You know what I mean? So it's like, and I've had a lot of them get clocked too because, but it's like, they're not even trans.

You know what I mean? So, but I like I said in my mind, I'm like, if my other friends would have been here, would they have been attacked too? Right. Because like, what you don't know, like, you know. Yeah. The biggest scumbags, well, not the biggest scumbags because obviously like the violence is the scumiest part about that video.

But like really pissed me off too was the white boys who come up at first and are like defending you guys. And then later on in the videos, you basically see them realizing you guys are trans and they're talking shit and their whole attitude totally changes. That was really kind of like heartbreaking to realize that these guys are the types of guys who are willing to be a good person and come and, you know, help somebody out. And then that their mentality changes. It's crazy that once I'm really pretty, once you find, until you find out. I'm an amazing person until you find out. You're a human being up until they find out your trans.

That's like what the fuck is wrong with you. It's like, yeah, okay, go ahead, go attack him, whatever. And there's no moment in that video. Well, I guess, which one was the one of you who slapped the dude? That was, I guess, the only moment of aggression or where anybody did. He didn't slap him for the record. I slapped the phone out of his hand because he was like putting it in my face and like calling me a dude. So like, what am I gonna do?

I slap the phone and I walk away and his friend actually picks up the scooter. Which weighs like 50 fucking pounds. Yeah, and tries like throw it at me. And luckily I was like further enough away so it didn't hit me. but that was like fucking crazy. Like imagine if that giant scooter hit her in the back of her head, you know? Yeah, you could fucking put a hole in your skull. Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah, and that's why, like, before I got hit by the initial guy that, like, took her phone, I was facing those guys because I'm thinking they were going to attack me because they were, like, literally staying there watching us, like, trying to get our phones, trying to call the police, trying to, like, find anybody to help, and they're just standing there watching antagonizing me. I'm thinking, like, they're going to hit me, and that's when, like, the other guy comes from behind and, like, hits me in the head.

With a bottle, and he just, smashes it over your fucking head, huh? Oh my God, and so how bad was the injuries? Is it slice open your skull and stuff? No, like, so I saw blood because I was on the floor and I had like scraped up my knees. Oh shit, okay, yeah. I like, fucked up my knees.

And so... You look like, you've been out here. That's gangster. But yeah, I like saw blood and I thought it was coming from my head because I kept like holding myself. Right. I was just trying to cover myself because I thought like they were going to like keep hitting me. So I'm like holding my head, holding my legs, and I saw

blood on my hands and I was like freaking the fuck out. But I really like he like I had a really big knot on my head when I got into the ambulance but they just like gave me a fucking ice pack. Damn, that's lucky because sometimes you get a bottle broken on your head and it'll just fully slice it open and sometimes you can get a bottle broken on your head and it doesn't really do that much if they hit it just right. Oh, he just hit you with it. He just hit me with it.

Fuck. Okay. And that's so crazy because they actually arrested this dude. They actually got a bunch of the guys in the video, right? But then they let them out right away too, right? You know what? Let's get back to the story. Yeah, let's keep on.

You'll update you on all that. Okay, okay. It's cool. You have the inside of the infront. Nice. All right. Okay. So the bottle gets broken, which is the most fucked up thing that we see in the whole

video pretty much, I guess. Yeah. And the crow bar. Before when we were standing with those other guys that threw the scooter at me, he, the guy that, like, took her phone was after her, and he somehow he had a crow bar. So, like, they were together. I was running to go try to get help. And all of a sudden I see this guy behind me and he has the freaking crowbar in his hand.

And he, He makes your hand over your shoes, right? Yeah, he made me take off my shoes, my bracelet. I'm, like, trying to take it off because I have acrylics. I'm, like, freaking out, like, shaking. Right. Because I'm, like, I'm trying to diffuse the situation anyway, just trying to listen to this guy, because I don't want this guy to smash me over the head.

And then that's when you can hear in the video, everyone's screaming, oh, that's a boy, don't touch him, don't go by him. And everyone just standing there, just recording everything, this group of people just surrounding me. When I'm sitting there thinking I'm literally about to die because this guy's going to crack me over the head with a crowbar. And then, well, not luckily, but he saw them, like, down the street. And then he ended up, like, going that way.

And then I was able to, like, run away. Right. And I wasn't even there when she got hit over the head either. I was in a car. Somebody was, like, driving me around. Right. And then I literally pull up and I just see her on the floor. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, like, what happened to my friend?

What the fuck? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because yours got taken. Your bag got taken and yours just. Mine got taken twice. Yeah, mine got taken too.

Because then you had to buy it back in the video. I would buy it back in the, yeah. Which also seemed really fucked up. Like, dude. Can you not try to profit off her in this moment? I have to call 911 because no one wanted to call 911. They were just in there laughing. After I got the guy through the scooter at me, I was running around the block,

going up to random people that weren't even watching the situation happen and being like, please call 911. These men are trying to attack me. They're still my phone. Like, my friends are in danger. And people were literally telling me, no. Like, they just look at me and be like, no. They would just roll the window up.

Yeah, like, I went to cars. They just rolled the window up. Like, they literally, no one wanted to help. And that's how I ended up getting in the car with some guy. and he stole my back. He told me he would help me get my friends. And when he pulled up to where we were. And I was like, hold on.

Let me get her in the car. As soon as I get out, he drives off with my shit in there. So he did that on purpose, you think? I don't really know. Maybe he just saw. It could be anything. I honestly don't know. But like literally I got out of the car and he just drove off with my shit.

That's so awful. Yeah. And even like the scene where you're fucking coughing up your shoes is just so disturbing. Because it's like, how is this like suddenly, turning into a fucking robbery shakedown in the middle of all this other shitty stuff happening. Everyone watching and instigating it like women

like women around us like literally when I got hit I had passed out for a little bit so like everyone was just like laughing and shit and when I got up I hear them be like oh come back hit her again she's not dead yet like literally in the video you can hear them talking shit like that

where's the blood? Yeah where's the blood? Yeah oh fight back if you want to if you're a boy fight back use your Use your man muscle or whatever. You can hear like these guys, these black guys be like, oh, black lives matter. Right, that part. Yeah. And I'm just like, that's when I started screaming at them.

Like, are you fucking serious? Like there's a black woman laying on the floor and you're trying to say that to her and you're laughing. But then you know, one of the most cynical things I've seen online was people trying to say, oh, these three trans women attacked by Black Lives Matter people. I'm like, that is not. Just because this guy said Black Lives Matter. He's indicative of the entire. Like, I posted the whole thing when, like, we got home at 6.30 a.m.

I got a whole, I was starting to get tagged on this guy's video that he went live, right? So I started to get tagged in his video. I screen recorded it. I sat through the whole thing, screen recorded it. She's asleep. I mean, she was crying the whole night. Like, I had to be the bigger, you know, like the big sister. And basically record the whole thing.

Saw the whole thing. Took the, took bits and pears of it. Posted it on my story. And, like, then I'm like, literally, like, I literally did this. posted it went live and then I fell asleep and then I woke up the next morning and then it was everywhere. She literally, I woke up

and she was next to me and I just see her on her phone looking like, what the fuck? And I'm like, what? And she shows me videos of me getting my ass whipped and I'm like, holy shit, like it was everywhere. Because you didn't even, like you would never know what that looked like, you didn't know exactly what happened to you. It was even worse because like I ended up posting the

whoa, from what I got, I ended up posting the video on my YouTube and it was like 30 minutes long but that was like half of what happened. Right. And I couldn't get the rest of it, but like that I posted most of it. And it was just like crazy. It was like an hour long worth of like us literally like being terrorized. Right.

And part of the depressing part is that it doesn't feel like there's really almost anybody in the video who's acting in a way in which you would like want people to act in this situation. It seems like everyone's a fucking bad guy. Yeah. Like I just don't get it. Like I understand people might not like us because we're trans. But even if someone I hated, someone could do the most horrible thing to me. But like, if I see them hurt, I would at least call the police. Like, that's just a decent thing to do.

And it's crazy that like on Hollywood Boulevard that day, there was no decent people that were willing to help us. And like, even if you don't want to get involved, like walk across the street, like if I didn't want to get involved it, you can walk across the street and call the police. You understand? Like nobody wanted to do that. Not no one even wanted to do that. Right. I see someone getting chased down by a crowbar or someone getting their head bashed in the floor unconscious. I would call the police no matter who it is.

Right, yeah, of course. Like, it's sick. But, I mean, we pretty much have the story. I mean, you know the story, you know? Like, basically, from that point forward, he stole my phone, threw it in the floor, someone else picked it up.

Someone stole her bag. They stole her bag. And then it just, all our stuff was everywhere. We didn't have any phones. So that's why we couldn't call the police. I bought the phone back. While she, I was buying the phone back, and before I could even buy it,

it back. I give in the money. I get the phone. I didn't even know it was my phone. I just knew it was a phone. And when you call, when you get a phone, you basically just press on it three times and it lets you call, like, emergency services. So, like, I just needed some, like, no one was in a fucking call the police for me. Let me just buy a phone. So at that point, and it ended up being my phone, right? But at that point, I literally caught the phone. As soon as I got it, I look, and the guy's coming. And, like, I literally, before I could react, boom, and then she's in the, she drops to the floor. And I'm like, like, like it was the craziest moment of my life.

Like literally she's in the floor and then people are just surrounding us and it's a lot of women too. And at that point I'm just like trying to like wake her up or like get her to like safety and like I'm just shit. Like imagine being in that position or in that moment. You know what I mean? And that's when she pulls up and then that's when she wakes up.

And that's when this point, he has a crowbar. Oh my God. And then this point I'm like he just hit it with the bottle. And then oh my God, everyone's just surrounding us. And we're literally just there, like, hurled up against each other. And the defenseless, no possible way to deal with this. Never seen it like this, like 10 phones just recording us, laughing at us, calling me the N word, calling her the N word. Calling her the N word, call.

Like, it's just like, it's just, like, you guys saw. And it's crazy that, like, I, I'm glad it's bittersweet that we actually have proof about it. Because when I got home and they were both just, like, so distraught. And, like, I really didn't know what to tell them. and like I just told them I was going to be okay and I'm gonna make this right and like I'll just I'll do something I'll post something you know but I didn't I didn't really know then you know and if you had tried

to tell that story on Twitter don't people probably would have just called you a liar and shit like no one would ever do that people aren't like that right it would be hard for me to imagine that video if you describe that video to me I would be like really in 2020 in Hollywood yeah I would have like kind of you guys trick those boys

yeah bitch who am I gonna trig I don't like that yeah right you think I like that It was crazy. Like when the shade room had posted it and I was like thinking like I got so much positivity from like my Instagram. Like everyone was so like supportive of like what happened to me and like trying to like help me and stuff. When I looked at the comments on the shade room and like all these blogs. Yeah.

The same, it was like the same people that were there were in the comments. Like it was horrible. Like they're just saying like, oh, you deserved it. Oh, you should have fought back. Like it's crazy that they would think that like I'm going to be able to take on two different guys. Both of them trying to hit me from the behind. Like, I've just, it was like, it's insane to think that even now still, there's people that can see that video and still think it was okay and right. Like, how do you fight against a crowbar and you have nothing to even like, I don't even have my bag to protect myself?

I have nothing. How am I supposed to beat this tall man who has a crowbar at me? How do you hop in the comments to defend the crowbar guy? Yeah. Like, no matter what you think. But yeah. But, yeah. That's really much partly, I mean, that's actually pretty much the reason I decided to do this podcast is because,

My audience loves me. My audience already like loves them and we already have a lot of positivity. I have more positivity than negativity, right? But I did see the shade room comments and I do see the comments you get on your podcast and I've seen the people you interview and I've seen The majority of your audience is straight males right in a lot of the black community and like I just really want I feel like if I went like in an LGBT podcast and explain this They would all be positive comments anyway and people already believe me people already love me and people already are on my side. But I feel like coming here and I feel like I could potentially help other people because these are straight men watching this and these are normal people that aren't LGBT, that don't have LGBT friends. I've never met a trans girl that probably think really

badly about trans people and this is my opportunity to change their minds and hopefully you guys can see what the outcome is if you attack one of us. You see what could happen if you attack one of us. you see how people don't agree with it. And like, I just want people to know what is right and when it's wrong. And hopefully, y'all don't shred us too much in the comments. But, like, realistically, like, I just want to help. And hopefully I changed someone's mind. Because, I mean, I've had trans people on the podcast before.

And it's like, you will then look at the comments and you will see all the shit that you would not think that anybody would have the gall to say, never mind fucking type on the internet, et cetera. And it is like, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's like a fucking big eye-opening thing. It's kind of like watching that video where for me and a lot of straight guys out there, it's like you just don't know or don't realize if you mostly surround yourself with civilized people.

You just don't know that it still goes down like that. And I thought that video was so revelatory because it's right now, it's in a place that is supposed to be fucking progressive and supposed to be like pretty fucking woke in comparison to the rest of the country. Like this is not Missouri, you know? Like, no offense to Missouri or whatever.

But like, you know, it was just shocking. and it's like, I feel like it was really eye-opening. So do you feel like you, the positive had to outweigh the negative because the negative has got to be like trolls in the comments, right? Let me tell you some of the positives, right? Right. At the end of the day, and no matter what that outcome is, and no matter what happened, I know my story,

their stories were heard and realistically, thank God I went out with them that night because I don't know if we would have gotten the same outcome if I wasn't involved. And that's really sad to say because this happens all the fucking time. Like it's just not a thing that just happened to a fucking YouTuber, right? This happens almost all the fucking time. Like at least 40 trans women have been killed in the past like years.

And it happens worse because they actually die. Yeah. And nothing, no justice ever gets served. And literally it's always recorded. And it just never goes viral because it doesn't happen to a YouTuber, right? And that was like, it's just so. crazy and like I know I have a lot of privilege and I know that I can do something about it, but it just really sucks that like, you know, this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for,

like, because of who I am? You know what I mean? And who knows? Like, realistically, though, like people heard the story. Everyone knows about it. And I'm just happy that no matter what, even if they don't end up in jail for fucking 10 years, like I'm just happy that the world knows what could potentially happen if, you know, Clearly people are on our side and clearly people believe us and clearly we made it some sort of a difference, right? And for you to know about it, for your friends to know about it, for a lot of people to know about it, we made a fucking difference, you know? And right now, as it is, one of them is serving potentially 13 years and the other ones potentially six years. Really? Because I saw in the video, they said that they let him out right away.

So what happened? Well, so the DA, they had to let him out because they were still. trying to gather more evidence. And I know that sounds crazy because there's videos, but what they wanted to do was get him with all the charges they possibly could. So it took over 48 hours, so they had to release him. It wasn't really, at first we all thought like, oh, they just were like, we don't give a fuck, let this guy go. But like, it really was that they were trying to hit him with everything they could to give him the most amount of time he possibly can get. Wow. So this is a black tank talk guy. I mean, but really,

yeah, black tank top guy. Yeah, he's black tank top guy. Yeah. His name's Carlton. Carlton. Carlton Calloway. He's already been living with that all these years. No, he's going to jail. Jesus Christ. But, no, so at first when we, okay, so, like, I recorded the whole thing, right? Because I'm, you know, I'm sneaking.

I actually know what to do now. And it's crazy that I didn't record shit when it was happening, but my phone was stolen. Yeah, you got into. But, so initially, whatever happened, so where we left things off that night with the police, dude, they didn't give a fuck. Like, basically, you could literally hear, like, I don't know if you ever saw the video, of like them recording it and like they're like the police didn't care yeah they like pulled up because I end up did getting to call one um get on someone's phone before I got hit I did call the police

once and they showed up and pulled away but then another the one that she called then they came back and they just didn't really give a shit they came back and basically just um I mean nothing really happened you know we gave our little report and then the next day when we went to the police station to file an official report and to like you know ask questions and stuff they didn't know my they didn't even know they didn't even know i was involved they only had two um two of them in it and it was for a robbery and it was for a robbery and they didn't know like they didn't know anyone got hit they didn't know anything right so i go in there i'm like i start you know going off going off going off recording it get home i start talking about it and um that's when like the day everything went viral right

And before I knew it, and actually the guy was like, well, honestly, it takes seven to 30 days to find out about this. So maybe we'll give you a call. What's your email address? And I was like, what? Like, so at that point, I'm like, they don't give a fuck. So let me make them give a fuck. I got, I went home and I went off and people blasted. People blasted, like, people called every single day.

Then I'm like, I'm just in a way for the phone call. I get the phone call, and basically they tell me to come back the next day. We go back the next day. They gave me a list of these, like, these black guys, like, to choose from. It wasn't him. None of them were him, right? Wasting my time, so I posted about it again. Next day, we go back.

And basically, I find out all of the stuff that I found out it was online, right? Like, the police sitting, like... We did the police work for them. People were figuring out his identity. They found everyone. Internet is so good at that. Wow. We found names.

we found addresses, we found Instagrams, Facebooks, we found everything, right? I presented that to the police. They still haven't made arrest. So when I ended up there the fourth or third day, I find out that he was actually arrested at the Hollywood PD station where we've been the past three days looking at bullshit suspects.

He had been arrested there a week before that. So he was already in the system and that just baffled me because his face was out. You know, I had pictures of his face. I had his name out and his face out, and they still couldn't even show me a fucking picture of him, even though he was here a week ago. Wow.

So that just made me go even more ballistic. And then afterwards, when the case was presented to the DA, they initially rejected the case because of lack of evidence. But I do believe they wouldn't have given a fuck if I didn't record that phone call. And then I record that phone call, and I posted that as well. And then that's when everyone went crazy, called the DA's office, and they gave us a call the next day to go over. And, you know, we're going to look at the case again.

until they recalled their decision officially, and then they officially press charges against them. Right. But would this have happened if I didn't go crazy? Who knows? It's so fucked. It's like the cops are like an extension of Twitter where you have to make enough noise on social media

for them to care at a certain point. If you don't get enough retweets, they don't give a fuck. Unless there's a dead body, it's like you need to get a lot of retweets for them to acknowledge anything. Even when we went into the police station, they were still getting calls like a couple days after. People were calling them while we were at the police station.

And like, they're begging me, please, please. They were like, please, we have so many calls. Like, can you please just update your Instagram? Like, we don't want to get any more calls. He's like, he's like, I'm a good guy, I have kids. I'm like, I'm like. But I'm like, still, the day we get there, hi, what's your name? I'm like, you know my name.

I actually don't. I'm like, bitch, like, you're working on my case. You don't know my fucking name? Right. Like, and then it was just the same thing. Oh, so Eden's the blonde one, right? It's like, bitch, like, it's just with a fresh. me and like I just it's crazy how this experience changed me so much with like the way I respect

cops the way I respect police the way I talk to them and it's crazy how much balls I fucking gain from this because literally like I'm like do your fucking job shit the fuck I would literally like not give a fuck you know because they ain't going to arrest them for fucking hurting us they ain't going to arrest me for like they will literally like and I even send the comments they'll arrest me for recording the phone call before they arrest them you know so yeah it's crazy because like I empathize with the cause that they have like an unbelievable amount of shit to be dealing with on any given day but at the same time it's crazy how there's such a culture of laziness and not wanting to do anything because it's like if they don't if they don't chase

this fucking case down realistically even with this being fairly high profile if they don't do anything for a couple weeks what's going to happen realistically it's just going to go away like people are just going to stop talking about it and they fucking know that and they know that if they don't have to do something, then they really can kind of get away with not doing anything. And it's crazy seeing that manifest itself over and over. Eventually it dies down unless you let it. And it happened in Hollywood too, which all crazy shit goes on to Hollywood. So they already have so much other shit going on. So they're probably thinking, oh, it's just these three trainings who got beat up, you know? Did you think at all about what would have happened if you weren't on Hollywood Boulevard and you

were on some dusty ass low, low key bar in like a smaller part of town where like, who knows if you guys could have got killed or what the fuck would have happened with that many people? He was going to die that day. Yeah. I was convinced. Like when I was on the floor, I was like, damn, he's going to come back and fucking kill me. I mean, it's going to be on video for everyone to, like, see him. Right.

Fuck. People just sit there laugh. Do you have a sense now, like, I remember back in the day I got jumped one time, and afterwards I really felt like, fuck, like, I felt like a real sense of relief. Like, wow, I just had, like, a bunch of people try to fucking really hurt me, and I'm fine. And, you know, like, everything, life goes on. And there's, like, kind of, like, a sense of, like, strength that you feel from

that. Like, wow, we got the shit being out of us. And we're still fine. So, like, maybe we're tougher than we thought we are. I mean, yeah, when it happened and I went home, I was like literally, I went on Instagram live and I was like bawling my eyes out. And I was like, I can't believe no one cares about me just because I'm a fucking tranny. Like, how the fuck, like, how is this world like that? And then, like, the next day, I was literally just still the same. Like, I just felt like, damn. Like, even all these comments on Instagram are so positive. I'm just like,

when it counts is like when I'm outside and like I'm in danger. Like I felt like I couldn't even leave my house And when we had to go to the police station I was like having panic attacks I felt like I didn't want to like go outside Now I'm like they did try to kill me And like I'm fucking here and I'm like doing great So I really don't give a fuck anymore

Definitely It's really stressful I mean these are like my babies You know like I like the vibe I felt very like I didn't I still haven't quite about it Like I haven't had the time to really like be upset Because if all to be able to start crying in bed nothing's gonna happen you know one of us has to really like toughen up and really like do something

about this and I'm glad that like eventually they both caught up and they're both now laughing about it we could all literally do an interview now like you know and it's just like I'm really proud of them and I'm really proud of like the outcome because the outcome really has been more positive than negative um we both they little they're fucking influencers now right yeah like you know people love people love you guys and people love me and like I'm just really really blessed because so much more good than bad came from this and maybe this had it happen for the world to really like open their eyes and you know dude fucking like there was a march for us there was like there was like it was a lot of stuff that really like a lot of good stuff came from this you know and like a lot of

celebrities reached out a lot of family members all of friends who i'm not even a lot of ex-enemies that i have reached out to me that i would never assume that they would you know so it really um sorry like it really made me just I think there's the way of call I needed for myself and for my career really because I have so much bad blood with certain people and I'm just so like I'm just so it's not worth it right because at the end of the day like I'm still a human and they still put their pride aside and helped me out and I will always remember that and as of now like I just really want to focus my career on really like helping and advocating because I have been such admittedly like a coward in the sense that like a lot of like um my a lot of like not only her insecurities but like my own insecurities

rubbed off on myself and like I kind of I used to like be really I used to post surgery videos and this and that and I stopped posting on YouTube for like a good year and I really focused my Instagram deleted all my transposed really focused on like just posting really pretty pictures of me, bikinis, and trying to compete with my normal girlfriends and really just trying to be a normal girl. And, like, that's just such cowardly behavior because, like, I would never be that. Realistically, I would never be that. And, like, I have the opportunity to help people. I need to focus on that.

And this is the way we call it wake up call I needed to, like, get my shit together. Right. And, like, now I'm just, like, trans, trans, trans, like. It's crazy because we've been going through this, like, moment of social awakening in our country where there's been so many different recorded incidents of violence towards black. people and you know you see a lot of people tweeting trans lives matter and and protect trans people and stuff but in terms of like a visual aid this is probably like one of the most extreme videos that we've seen of some of people being like really mistreated and it helps honestly that you're like high profile and that you have this like big youtube channel and stuff because it did help

get more eyes on it so i think you know honestly for me and i thought that i was like aware of like what kind of shit was going on or what people were capable of but i just felt like i saw something in that video being someone who lives, you know, within 10 miles of where that happened. It's just like, you know, it's really like a level of, of just heinous behavior that I think a lot more people need to be aware of that this kind of shoot is normal or still happening. And, you know, like, like I said, like I think God put all three of us in the position to do this and to go through this because he thinks we're strong enough to get through this clearly. And we were. And, you know, it's not over yet. We have court on the 16th. Like it's still, it's not over yet. But I can

not let this consume my life. I will not let it like consume my life. Like I'm really more than ready to move on and regardless of the outcome, I'm good. Are you excited to start posting on YouTube again? Do you feel like remotivated? No, I feel like a fire under my ass to really like, you know, me and her, she was in Chicago at the time so she couldn't do it. But me and her literally, I had the brilliant idea. I bought a trans flag and I'm like, let's fucking go back to Hollywood Boulevard with the trans on the black lives matter the all it's all it's written and that was actually made public the day it happened like the day after it happened to us so like and the all was written in trans colors so I'm like let's go back there in fucking bikinis dude and in middle of traffic and let's let's

let everyone know we're training you did that yeah yeah we did that and it did really well and that was like my first post back and I'm like like you know because we both thought we all felt like damn when can we post? Yeah, it's like awkward, yeah. When is it like appropriate to like do this? You know, like, and I'm like, whenever we're ready, dude, like, you know, no one's holding a gun, you know, like, let's just do it. And that was really cool because, you know, people were honking, you know,

we're just here holding the fucking flag. And like, it just felt so liberating because we're back at the fucking place where it happened. And we're good. It didn't bring me down. And like, you know, we could go back there. And I thought we'd be triggered. But, no, yeah, I didn't. When we went, when we got there, I was like, I don't give a bug.

We literally took off our clothes and we're walking around Hollywood Boulevard, like, in bikinis with the trans flag. It was, it felt good. And outside of that, it's crazy because recently, you know, no more people know who we are, and it's crazy because we went to, like, this place we always go get, I don't even know what EPL is, but we always go to, like, this bar to get food, right? And as soon as we got sit down, there was a table of men, and they were with their girlfriends or, like, their little friends or whatever. and they were like looking at us and as soon as we're walking past them the girls go so namres like they're men they're men in Spanish like they're men I saw them on TV they're men I saw them on World Star they're men they're men but in Spanish right and I speak Spanish on Mexican so I'm just like I look at her and I'm like oh my god and I'm like oh my god

it's happy me we're like we sat here for like five minutes being like what should we do should we say something and like teach them a lesson and she's like that's not start drama yeah I kind of like I don't want to get my ass beat again I'm like, you know what, bitch? Excuse me! Sorry, I'm like, excuse me! What did you just call us? Like, I did it in the most polite way, actually.

I went, excuse me, so we overheard what you guys said about us and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I just want to know, does that make you feel better about yourself? And then they were like, we never said that. I never said that. And I'm like, I'm Mexican. I speak Spanish. I heard what you said. Right.

And it was just like poker face. And then I posted on my story. So, you know, it's just more proof to me that I have more. balls to like you know just stand up for myself and um just i'm not hiding anymore and i don't think they are either and i think we're more than ready to just take on anything yeah there you go i mean now we're known as the girls who got freaking beat up in hollywood for being trans so it's like it's like it's already out there so fuck it you know i don't know i mean i feel like you guys like survive something that realistically like we're all laughing about it now but i mean there's a

fucking horrifying video it's gonna be a good year or two before we start like getting people like Yeah, oh my gosh. I saw what happened to you, are you okay? And then, like, they start asking questions about it. Yeah, yeah. But it's okay. Hey, well, I mean, it's a crazy story, and I'm glad that something's so good has come out of it, you know?

Yeah, it was like God's way of pushing me out the closet, like, completely. I literally posted a YouTube video talking about me being trans and then took it off my Instagram, so I was like, no, no, no, I can't do this. And now it's like, bitch, you're out. Like, everyone knows. Yeah, so. Fuck, yeah. It's good.

That's far. Anything else we should know about? Anything you guys got coming that we should look forward to? Some YouTube videos. We've got the audience now. Might as well, you know. Yeah, I'm definitely like, I'm back. Baby is still.

There it is. No doubt. You're going to start rapping? I'm going to start my rapping. We were literally just talking about it. But you have doll in your name and in the rap game we got cash doll, Asian doll, Cuban doll. Like, no doll means you're a rap.

Yeah, I think I'm the next bitch to do it. So, you know, follow me, eat in the doll everywhere. Hey, if you want me to creative direct it, let you know, I'll come in. I'll give you some notes and stuff. That could be good, yeah. Yeah, the only fans ain't coming, though. Just let me do this on. Oh, yeah.

That's the question for every woman on earth these days. No, because they're mocking me the whole time, right? Like, they're calling me only fans, like the guys that were jumping. Really? No, I don't remember. No, I don't, yeah. Oh, my God. That would be such an obvious move, though, for you to just be like, you know what?

I'm a monetize this shit. Immediately. I thought they had gotten a DM from this guy that, like, has a huge only fan. And he was like, do you want to collab? I'm like, yeah, I got one too. Like, I just got my ass beat and you're asking me to like fuck for my camera. Like, hey, are you okay? Do you want to collab?

Yeah. That is so funny. I'm surprised you didn't get a tweet from like porn hub being like, we'll give you a million dollars to do your first scene. They always be doing that whenever any girls in the news, they're like, we'll check our emails out. It's crazy. Everyone wants to be my friend out of a sudden. And like, even people that don't, didn't like me a year ago and are really cool now. Coming out of the world.

would work. There's no clout like getting beat up clout. It's a weird kind of clout. Viral beat up clout. Yeah, viral beat up clout. But regardless, thank you for having us. I really appreciate it. My pleasure.

And thank you so much for sharing this with my audience. If you get a chance, drop by in the comments. Let anybody saying anything stupid. Give them your mind. That would be nice. And spread this around. If anybody wants to just sort of spread the word, I know that for me, getting ready for this interview and shit,

it was definitely very enlightening to realize how fucked up shit really. is out there. Yeah, I mean, I was just ended on a positive note, you know, so. That's it. It is what it is, and hopefully this won't ever happen again. Yeah, definitely. All right, I appreciate you. Oh, and imagine if that was your mom, sister, cousin, brother, or anything, you know, before you start talking shit. I wish everybody in that video had thought of that, to be totally honest, yeah. Yeah, honestly. Thanks. Okay. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes,

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