No Jumper - Emma Rose on Winning Trans Performer Of The Year, Getting B**ls Removed & More

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today, I'm bringing you the trans performer of the year. Emma Rose is in the building. Hi. Nice to be here. I watched you go up and win the award when we were at the Avian Awards. And also we spoke briefly on camera for some TikTok type content. And yeah, you mentioned that you'd be down to come on the podcast.

And I was like, you know what? I am interested. I want to know what makes you tick. Let's go. Is that okay? Yeah, of course, of course. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. Cool.

So you're from where? I'm from Florida originally. I actually grew up on a farm. A farm in Florida? Yeah, in the middle of nowhere. So, like, between Tampa and Orlando, like Polk County, and you would never believe that there's just farms. Really? Okay.

Yeah. But I went to college out there in my marketing degree, and I went between a marketing and shipping, marketing and shipping. Shipping always made more money. And then a director kept on bugging me and bugging me like, shoot for me, shoot with me. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Finally, in 2020, I decided to finally shoot for porn. That's how I got into the industry.

Wow. And so how old are you? I turned 27 next month. Oh, okay. She's still pretty young. Okay, interesting. So, all right. So at what point did you decide that you were going to transition?

Like, what were you identifying as throughout most of your life? So I transitioned at 21. Okay. in the middle of my semester of college. That was my senior year. One day I was like, I went through therapy and everything during this time, but I didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell you of my teachers. How do you do that?

You go to what, like the nurse or like some kind of counselor or something and you're like, listen, this is how I'm feeling. And then they make you like stew with it and just think about it for a while. I know that when I transitioned, there was a lot of more rules and like regulations, I feel like. So I had to live as my preferred. gender for a year, um,

talk to a therapist literally every week. And like, they wouldn't just give you hormones. Uh, so I had to like literally check in how I'm feeling, how everything's going. And then after a year of living as my, uh,

gender, then they give you hormones. So it's not like over overnight. And then on top of that, they don't give you the dose that you want. So they just start you off so slow, like two milligrams of estrogen a day without any testosterone blockers.

And then they build up from there. But that was seven years ago. But does this send a ton of ton of people to the black market because I've done steroids before so I could tell you where to get all that shit you know I'm talking about like a long ass time ago but I know bodybuilder dudes who could tell you exactly where to go in Beverly Hills if you want to get whatever you need yeah I think that some girls choose black market but as long as you're getting your levels tested and like going to an endocrinologist I think that's fine right wow okay so would you say that you're somebody

who had been thinking about this since like as soon as you could think about anything or when did it start to pop up in your brain? So I've never even met anyone who was trans until I was 19. So throughout my whole entire life, my parents were really Southern, and I grew up really Southern. I always saw myself as like either a woman growing up,

like I didn't know the word trans. I just knew that I was like, I feel different. I don't feel like a gay boy because I also liked girls. So I had girls and boys growing up. And so I saw myself as like a wife or I was like a business woman or just always as a woman

and I thought that was just a normal thing for like gay kids and it wasn't. And then it wasn't until I was 17 that I started like hanging out with more people that from the LGBT community. And then it wasn't until 19 when I met someone who was trans. And then it finally clicked. And I was like, okay, this actually makes sense. Really?

And did it click like 100% or was it like, oh, maybe this is it for me? Like did it just immediately make perfect sense? I felt like I was talking to somebody that like I knew my whole life because every experience they said was the same, the same, they're the same. Because in Florida, in central Florida, it's pretty repressed. And, like, it wasn't really liberal. It's a really, like, Red County, I guess. But it wasn't anything like today.

Right. Wow. So that's so interesting. Okay. I don't want to, like, pry too deep. No worries. If you had never figured it out and you had been forced to live your life as a gay man, Mm-hmm.

How happy do you think that you would have been able to be as a human being? Or do you think it would have been fundamentally like a betrayal of who you are as a person and you would have, you would have just had to figure it out. You wouldn't have been able to live that way. I honestly just felt like a part was missing from me. I thought like nothing was right. Like even with, I feel like before my past life before I transitioned, I still didn't even like fit in with, I guess, like, gay guys before. Because it was just, it was just off.

The energy was off. I always had a feminine energy, even though when I was younger, I was very masculine because of my parents and my upbringing. But it took a long time to really come to terms with who I was. Because even after I figured out and I was like, oh, I am trans. I was still fighting it because I was like, I do not want to live this life. Like no one wants to choose to be trans on purpose, I feel like in my opinion. But it really took a lot of battling and also a lot of therapy to really get to where I am today. See, but that's what's so interesting is that you hear a lot of people, including like I did,

a trans panel recently where you have a lot of people who are pretty they seem to feel like the trans thing that's kind of going on is a little bit of like a social contagion where it's like you know Blair white said I think TikTok has this honestly like popularized it with a huge chunk of young kids that wouldn't have got into it otherwise yours you're making it like nobody would choose this which I guess I would probably kind of or like you know that it is it's going to be a massive fucking struggle for you in life in general there's a ton of stuff you're going to have to get past before you any kind of semblance of normalcy in your life? Like, what's the balance between those?

Can both of those be true at the same time? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I love who I am, and I wouldn't change it for anything else now. But at the beginning, it's not something lighthearted. It's not like, oh, I'm going to be trans today. You know, it takes a lot of work to really love yourself and still have everything around you. And I feel like I transitioned back in 2017, and it was still a very different time before

TikTok and everything like that. So I feel like my experiences are very different than those today. but I would say that it's a lot of hard work to really understand who you are and if this is the right thing to do which I love it so. Yeah, definitely.

Can you remember what the first day was like walking outside presenting as the opposite gender? Like what was that like? I just am imagining it in my head as being like the most overwhelming feeling. I will just say I'm happy that I was passable from the beginning.

So I was always pretty feminine before surgery. But it was nerve-wracking. I remember I was shaking. I was sitting down in class, like literally the first day that I finally was like, okay, I'm going to go out as myself. Because you're around all these kids that have seen you 100 times before, right? Yeah, exactly.

And they message all my teachers, all my professors, and I just sat down. And I was just like, I just wanted it not to cry. But everyone was really nice. Everyone kind of like picked up on the cues just because, like, I wasn't making, like, I wasn't trying to just be in their face about it. And as time went on, it was almost like nothing ever happened. It was supernatural. Definitely.

So, okay. And then after you do that, though, you're just kind of living like a totally normal life for however many years for the most part, before you get into porn. Yeah. So I graduated that same semester in 2017. And so I will say that getting a job was really hard because I'm a marketing major and it's very face forward. Talking with clients, talking with people face-to-face or business. and I looked visibly trans. So I feel like I miss out on a lot of opportunities that I would have gotten today.

That's interesting. Yeah. Because are you resentful about that or do you consider it kind of belief? Oh, it is what it is. Understandable because if you're a company that's in, you know, to making sales, you kind of just have to like pick the person that you think is going to be the most agreeable to your customer, right? Yeah.

It's something that's going to sell better. I mean, now today I feel like it's very different with how companies go. Sometimes visibly trans nowadays is a good thing. but it definitely wasn't the same thing at 2017 so I wouldn't resent it at all though Right no I had a girl like a porn star on here The other day who had tattoos on her face

And she does only fans and she told me That she works in corporate for Matt Cosmetics And that nobody gives a fuck about the fact that she does OnlyFans or whatever I'm like I wouldn't think that would be an issue I guess yeah I just like I haven't been the workforce in a long time I feel like I would have thought that it would have been a big deal 20 years ago, but I guess...

Oh yeah, I feel like 20 years ago or anything because anything before like 2014 I feel like it was when like porn was starting to come more in the hands of the people. But before that, oh yeah, people would be like, no, no more porn, no nothing. Yeah, but especially being a porn person, I don't want to say a star,

but a porn performer who has a kid, that's when I really realized how many people are out there who absolutely hate porn. Oh, there's so many. I didn't really like fully understand before that. Yeah. It's a lot, especially when, like, kids and just a lot of people that, like, you don't want people to find out or, like, to expose somebody to. It's definitely, I can see why, like, porn shouldn't be so, like, readily available.

But, see, that's the question is, like, how readily available should it be? Because I've heard people make the argument that there should be systems online where you have to, like, have this certain type of login in order to be, like, making porn, like, extremely difficult to access unless you've, like, logged in. Yeah. Which, I mean, I don't know. Sounds like it wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing for society, but I can also off the top of my head thing at 10 ways that a little kid could like circumvent that. Exactly.

And then also it would undeniably be really bad for the pockets of like pretty much everybody who does it. And I feel like porn has a lot of catching up to do with regulation in general because they're doing, especially only fans with the content forums and the IDs. They should have done this since day one. So I feel like that's why there's so much havoc and chaos trying to get everything. set the way it should have already been set. So we're going through like a transitional period of like what should be and like what should have already been done.

Yeah, totally. No, I mean, I remember reading the articles about a porn hub on the New York Times and stuff and realizing how easy it was for people to just post stuff of girls who are underage or revenge porn stuff and just being like kind of horrified. Like how could you possibly think that you could run a website like this without having, you know. Moderators and everything. It's like having a club without checking IDs at the door except there's something. Way worse. Fuck.

Okay. So had you thought about doing porn in the lead-up to actually doing it, or did this person just kind of introduce you to it? So I had offers way back before my transition, but honestly, I was like, no, I don't know why I had this misconception. I'm going to ruin my life. My family's going to, like, just own me. My dad knows what I do.

He's my best friend. All my family knows what I do. They're all very, very supportive. So I always like dabbled and like maybe I'll do it maybe I won't and then I was coming to the end of my shipping career because I was dancing in and out of clubs doing the same thing every day and so I was going to move to Chelsea in New York and work for Salesforce And I was like let me just give it one time to do this and after I shot in Vegas from I've ever seen three years ago So many companies messaged me so I shot for Evil Angel and Gruby those first two months and then COVID hit.

So like five months, there's no shooting. And during that time, I'm like, okay, do I want to stay home and just like do nothing or do I want to move to Vegas? So I moved to Vegas in June of 2020. Right. And why Vegas instead of L.A? I hate L.A. You hate that much.

I hate L.A. At first I thought I was going to be a stepping stone, but I love Vegas so much. It reminds me of, like, Tampa with no water. Like, if you take the strip out, it's a very, like, Schmedium city. Yeah. So everyone, the circles are pretty small. Flat, spread out, just not a lot going on. Not a lot to look at.

I love that. There's part of me that is like, damn, it would be nice to be able to live out there. Yeah, it is really nice. Plus I just bought a house that's like super peaceful. And I was like nobody around me. So it's great. No, yeah. I mean, the house that we rented during AVNs is like probably four times bigger than my house.

And it's like a third of the price. And I'm just like, damn. I know it's so cheap. They love it. Yeah. The crazy world. But so you were just super in demand as soon as you started shooting? Surprisingly.

I really think that because COVID hit, there wasn't a lot of models going into porn. And a lot of them were going out of porn. So I started shooting regularly. And July of 2020 for gender X and all these other trans films. And it started like scene after scene after scene. And then Trans Angels, they're the sister company of browsers. I was a contract star in my very first year for like nine months. So I was just on fire

Really wow So how thriving would you say that the trans porn world is in comparison to regular porn or whatever? Like is there like a lot of talent that people are like really excited about or do you sometimes look at it and you're like it's like we need more? I think it's very niche But the girls they definitely blow up faster I feel like then cis models just because the pool is smaller and and the fan base is very much more, I would say, loyal. Because they've known me since 2019 and all of the girls. They really keep up with everybody.

But I would say that in comparison to cis girls, I think that also our careers last longer because there's less of a turnover rate. Interesting. Less of a turnover rate, right? Just because there's less of like a new crop of like hot young chicks. coming in. I accept the new, the new trans girls coming in are fucking hot.

Really? Because they've been on fucking, they get hotter and hotter every year. Because they've been a hormone since they were younger and younger, right? Yeah. Damn. That's interesting. Yeah.

It's going to get like sports where it's like the earlier you get into it, the better you are. There's been a lot of really hot girls coming into the industry now. So that's been great. Interesting. All right. So like, how does all that lead to you winning performer of the year? Is that a surprise or like? This year,

I'm not, I'm not trying to too many home. So you were nominated the year before? I had to win. I was like, I was working so hard for this award all year. And so after my contract, my shopper browsers, Angela White was my very first scene for them.

It was amazing. Wow. And that was my first girl, girl scene. And so then I just started shooting with all of these girls back to back. I feel like I shoot with more girls now than guys. Really? Yeah, the scenes are better. It's better or is it more profitable?

Actually, guy-girl scenes are more profitable, like on only fans, but girls are, I feel like, are easy to work with, and I'm, like, lesbian deep down, so... Right. I love it. I remember I asked you, I wanted to shoot with Lena for you with Pluck Talk, maybe. Yeah.

But, yeah, I started shooting with a lot of girls, and then three of my best scenes that were nominated for ex-biz were all lesbian scenes. Really? But also I shop for Dorsell, which is a French site. It was the very first trans girl in there, and then I have three scenes with browsers.

So afterwards, I feel like I just really put in the work this year. thankfully. Yeah, so how'd you feel when you went up there and won? I was shaking. Oh my hands are like this. I was like so scared. And then I was walking

and all I could think about is like don't stutter, don't trip. And so I practiced my speech in my head and a lot of people said my speech was really good and I called out some of like the managers in studios that said like trans isn't profitable just because especially nowadays

even on TikTok you can just see trans is everything. as much as like I hate that it's the middle of every conversation and it is very profitable which is also good for my pockets. Interesting. So you've you've had like major adult corporations just basically put that narrative out there to you is that they're just not, they don't feel like it's worth them putting their time into? Yeah. And I understand that. Like you know your business better than anybody. So if like if it's not going to sell, I understand why you wouldn't want to take a chance. But also don't

come running if you see the chance later on. I had a company that as soon as I said that after my award, they offered me to be signed and I declined it because I'm like, it's just not the direction I want to go in. It's interesting because I could kind of see two different worlds and one in which

browsers and Vixen and everybody has their own trans imprints versus like another world in which other studios kind of emerge that specialize in this kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure. And which one do you think is like ultimately probably going to be better? Probably no matter what there's, if there's real money to be made, there's going to be competition between all of them, right? And that's ultimately good for you. Yeah. Because I talked to my director before and he's like, well, like, Gamma Films and Mindkeek. They all have the translines

such as like gender X and stuff instead of like Devils film. But I feel like I'm always pushing the end look because I'm like, I don't even want to work with a guy for these studios. I don't mind working with like for vixing media group with a girl or in a threesome where we like tag team a girl that's totally fine because then um i feel like it relieves that burden off the guy if he's feeling uncomfortable uh and even like so many girls want to work with me even though their managers say like oh she has a new trans content when she's next me saying i want to shoot with you so bad is that a thing uh it's a big thing really so there's like certain girls that you know are cool with it and others that you kind of know aren't cool with it well the managers really are the ones saying like oh like she's not cool with it but like meanwhile like she is because they're trying to steer her away from trans content or like buy content because there's a lot of transphobia and homophobia and porn and I understand that we are in like a turning point like I think five years ago if you shot with a trans girl you've been blacklisted so it is very it's like a great area where we're going through right now but yeah I remember

girls saying shit about like I won't shoot with this guy because he's done bisexual porn or gay porn or whatever and like having them get torn to shreds for it yeah but that was kind of like a reminder of like oh like that is probably not a safe yeah yeah um i understand people's boundaries and their limitations yes is or knows and i respect that but um i understand how some people can be mad at it right definitely so from my time spent skimming your twitter you're exclusively a bottom I take it? No. Oh, God.

I saw many tommy. Do you see any of my topping videos? I'm so many. I guess I just stroll down and out of that. No, I have so many. I have a lot of topping videos. So you can do both. But are there a lot of people who do one or the other?

Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of girls who bought them. I went through like the biggest topping phase. Like I was like, oh. Topping is about topping. Okay. Sometimes like I don't want to get props. I don't want things in my house home. I'm just like it's a lot of it hurts.

Right. Because as much as like some girls like the pain, I don't really like the pain, unless I'm in the mood. Yeah, because like me and my girl, we, I love doing anal with her. But I just realized that it's just not like an everyday thing. Yeah. And like, especially once you've done porn and you kind of really realize what could go into it if you really want to want it to go about it the right way. So yeah, it's like I jerk off to anal porn all the time. But.

If you have you, annals my favorite. So I feel, yeah. Yeah, okay. But then I don't really like almost ever like push her to do it. Yeah. And she like brought it up. If I came home and she had a butt plug in, we're probably going to do it. But I'm not going to like, hey, tonight, are we doing it?

You know? Like I just doesn't really. Yeah. Because I just know how much work goes into it. There's a lot of work. It's a lot of like it's not even just prepping. It's like diets, everything. But also I feel like when I was younger, I used to be like super like bottom only.

But now I'm like I'm getting older. Like it sucks me up. You just grown up. Plus, it's like nice to top. It's like it's the same thing. Right. When I was doing that trans panel I mentioned, there was a quote that somebody said,

most trans people get into sex work. And I was very surprised here. Everybody at the table agree with that. And then the more I thought about it, I'm like, okay, I guess it's probably pretty in demand. And it's not necessarily easy for people to make it happen for free in their personal life. So I guess it kind of makes sense.

Would you agree with that? And you think that that's like, normal or natural? I wouldn't say most. I would say many. Because there are so many older trans women that aren't of like

prime age to do sex work. And then also I feel like a lot of trans I don't know anything about trans men and the statistics on that but I don't think that a lot of trans men

get into sex work. I think that might be trans women but don't quote me on that. I think you're probably mostly right. But I feel like they would say that just because of like what they know around them, but I don't know the statistics.

But in my experience, even with everything with my career education, I would always just make more money and be more available doing sex work than staying in with a marketing firm. Yeah. So how do you feel about that like doing porn for a living versus like having a more normal career? Like is it just like way better in every way to you or is there a sense in which it feels a little bit less fulfilling? I love it, honestly, because I keep my personal and my sex, like, my personal life and my work life very separate, and they're both fulfilling.

Like, I have my sex life that's not on camera. I have my love life that's not on a camera. And so it's nice to keep them separated. So my porn career can still flourish and be really, really fun, and it not have to feel like a job. So you're in a relationship? I am in a relationship, yes. Okay. But do you choose to hide the details of it from the internet?

No, no, no. We're pretty open. We met, we've been together for over a year. now and he's going to producing so he does movies. He also does sex work as well for content but he is really good visionary

so you have to say four content to be like not an escort. Yeah not an escort exactly because like there's so many different types of sex work even shipping a sex work. But do you at this point in your life is escorting out of the question is that something that you look at as not kosher for what you're

doing with yourself? Not really It's not something that I do anymore, so... Right. It's just not worth it, money-wise, or it's just... I just don't want to meet random people anymore. I don't believe me. This sounds scary as fuck to me. Yeah, I feel like I rub shoulders with, like, some of the most, I guess, important men,

like in politics and music and anything, so it's like I don't even need to do that anymore. But, of course, it is a vital part of many people's lives. Right, yeah. So, okay, you're saying you spend... in time with all these, like, important people and everything. Is there, like, a world out there in which, you know, like powerful guys, this is just, like, an overwhelmingly popular kink for them? Or I don't know if it was right to call it a kink.

No, I feel like for them, kink is correct. Okay. I do think that it's a fetish. I think it's a kink. A lot of times, I've had people ask to, like, see me in public, not public and private, that wouldn't see me in public, so I would say no. Right. Right. But so do you, is that insulting or is that something that you'd be kind of open to?

Because we always say like, you know, for a girl, her pussy is her passport. In the sense that like you want to go to Drake's house. Well, if you're a good looking girl, chances are your pussy's what's going to get you there. And a smart woman is going to kind of use those opportunities sparingly or intelligently and try to like, you know, get into a position in life without necessarily just like giving away their value right away. I would say the same thing. So like use what your mama gave you. but also you don't have to give it all up. Interesting.

Yeah, because, okay, so the other day, one of the people who was on the trans panel, like, as soon as she, like, was in a moment where nobody was listening, she just wanted to tell me some super famous guy that she had been contacted by on Instagram or whatever. Is there kind of a thrill about that? I feel like once you've been around enough famous guys,

they're all the same. Really? They're all the same, what? They're just full of themselves? It's like, it's just have money. They just want pleasure? No, they're not full of themselves. There's been a lot of really, really nice guys out there.

But it's like they want the same thing. They want a good time. And it's not even sexual sometimes just hanging out. They just want to live life, just like everyone else. And like having that status, I would say that most people who don't have status give them like that thrill and that like importance when it's they really are just normal people. Right. Interesting. So, okay.

But if you hook up with someone who you assume or. or know that they don't want this to become part of the public record. Are you just going to honor that forever, or is it kind of like up in the air? Like, you can just talk about it. I feel like, I wouldn't want anyone talking about my business either. Right. So I feel like at the end of the day, I at least run it by them. Yeah.

Yeah. I would think so, too. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. So, okay, where can you take this career from here? Like, are you just working for the studios or are you at a point in your life where you're mostly doing your own thing and do you have like plans on sort of like building your own like a lot of

girls have like sites that are like kind of they produce all sorts of different content under their own brand name like what do you what do you so um since i turned down the offer from one of the agencies i really want to start my own and call it rose royals uh that is specifically for trans women um and then start my own production company called rose royalties productions like one of my biggest dreams uh and i think that there's just like a lot of blank space and the point that in a world that trans girls aren't getting the care that they need or the attention and that there are some studios that just haven't explored some of the things in the acting that trans girls can do like I said that my my boyfriend does producers he's a producer and so like

his whole thing is creating movies and that's like one of my biggest goals too is to go into mainstream really yeah interesting because does that all of a sudden feel like a real possibility for a trans woman like yourself because there's just like a bunch of different examples of that popping up in mainstream culture that I don't think really existed like five years ago maybe yeah exactly I don't like like what's the word relying on like identity politics but the good thing about nowadays is there's a lot more acting roles for trans individuals with men and women and stories that people are like more apt to like listening to right yeah because if it's like if you want to do innovative storytelling at this

point i mean it's clearly something that people are interested in you've watched all euphoria yeah yeah and it's never anything cool about being a grown man talking about watching euphoria which i love but i do i kind of feel like the subtext of the show is like we're gonna make you love this trans character in the show oh it meanwhile she became the most hated bitch ever okay well maybe towards the yeah but like i just like myself i felt like that i was almost the mission of the show is like even if you don't think that you fuck with trans people, we're going to kind of show you what their life might be like. And the person they cast just like that's such a crazy job to me of just seeming so likable and lovable. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then season one, she was very, very like, plot twist. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot that that was like an outdated take on the show now that I've seen season two. Yeah. But, um, okay.

So like, have you had those kind of conversations about doing the more mainstream type of stuff? Or how do you even go about getting into it? Yeah. It's a, it's still a struggle because of the porn back. But I love that like Netflix and Amazon Prime and all these other things like they're not backed up by like NBC or Fox or any of these things where like they have to have like a good person like a good like all-American no porn background. And now I feel like I mean like Cardi B and all they have their own shows and like you can

probably find their pornoes on X videos. Yeah. No, definitely. Yeah. I think about it all the time. Like, or even Chloe Cherry. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I shot with her with Lena back in the day, way before Euphoria.

Like, nothing really, like, stood out to me that crazy about it. And then all of a sudden, she's in this position and because she got the role in Euphoria. Yeah, there was a lot of sports in Euphoria, actually. I think, like, there's, like, poor other ones that aren't really big. Yeah. Some of the guys, too. Yeah, but then I remember that, like, then she blew up and, like, Lena was telling me that she was on this podcast and that she was talking about why she stopped doing porn.

And she was just like, well, you know, know now I'm doing this like Louis Vuitton ambassadorship but like she's just making like absurd amounts of money I assume off of just doing this kind of stuff so she fell back on it but I don't know it is kind of trippy to have someone just be like a really popular actress who comes from porn

and it's a topic of conversation but it doesn't feel like it's like the only topic their rise to fame like their other things that amount to their success yeah whereas like Kim Kardashian like became famous from one sex date which is like in retrospect

that's kind of crazy. It doesn't really seem like it would have happened the same way today. We're all a little too jaded. Not not at all. It's so different because I think it was so like taboo. And I can only imagine Chris saying like, we have to use this now. Yeah.

She's a marketing genius. No, but when I was in, when I was there at the AVN's, I saw Ray J one night. And he goes, you here for AVN? I'm like, yeah, he goes, I've been nominated twice. And I'm like, yeah,

you weren't really a willing participant in it, were you? Yeah. Or it's release. Yeah. Okay. So five years ago, six years ago, the trans thing was like barely in the public consciousness. And now it feels like it's constantly in the conversation.

And it's kind of like this right wing football that they just throw around. Like, hey, pay attention to this. You'll be entranced by this. Don't talk about anything else. Let's just talk about this trans thing over and over. It's kind of fucking weird. How does it feel to have your identity just constantly being like, the thing that they're discussing on Fox News or whatever.

Exhausting. Yeah. I say this every day. I hate being in the middle of every conversation. But it doesn't even like, it's all of a sudden it's just thrown here and thrown there. Like I feel like everyone got along like more back in the 2010s. I feel like even I feel like no one really mentioned that I was trans at the beginning of my transition. So it was very different.

I'm hoping that we're going in the right direction today. I can't say that we are or not But There's a lot of changes happening But when I even When we're scheduling that trans panel I kind of mentioned it to you Like would you be interested in coming on it or whatever

Because we're scheduling this And you were kind of like eh Like I don't think so Like is there Are you not mega political Or not interested in necessarily In making that part of the public discourse around you? Yeah I wouldn't like dive into like my political beliefs

But I'd say that I'm very I wouldn't even say I'm a centrist. I feel like I'm an equalist. I feel like it's all semantics. But I was agreeing with like what Alessa was saying and also with Blair. And then of course, Buck Angel is an icon. I always love him.

And he's been around forever. So it's been, yeah, I just feel like nowadays there's so many, there's so much information and there's so many polarizing information in groups, especially on TikTok. I would definitely blame TikTok

for the rise of everything. Yeah, no, definitely. but and does it kind of feel like there's this expectation that you're supposed to like be in the mix of having these conversations all the time and you're just kind of like not that interested? Yeah or like I'm supposed to take a side or like be like left like liberal or left like leaning

even though I think that there's a lot of infighting within the trans community that most people don't talk about the trans umbrella is really big and I feel like cisgendered people like you and everyone doesn't really understand the differences because there's never been definitions laid out for everybody. Like I wouldn't consider myself transgender. I'd be a transsexual because I'm specifically altering my body to live as my sex,

which is female. And I feel like there's always like an argument like trans women aren't women because women are this. And I'm like, trans women are trans women. And cis women are cis women. I think that we're so used to saying that women are, that cis women are. that cis women are women without the prefix. But trans women can never be a cis woman, such as a cis woman can never be a trans girl.

We're both two sides of the same coin of womanhood. We both experience sexism. We both experience everything that has to do with a woman besides bleeding and having a baby and also having a childhood as a girl. And I think that most binary trans women like me, we're not delusional and we know who we are as people. Like we lived our life as children as like a little boy.

and then grew up. Some of us transitioned sooner. Some of us transitioned later. But at the end of the day, I feel like we live our lives and you can't say that we are men. But a lot of us want to assimilate into culture. Well, because I think one of the things that gets the biggest reaction from people on the right or even people in the middle is just the slogan, trans women are women. Which people love to tweet that alone. And it's like, listen, for all functional purposes, I agree.

and I would absolutely treat every trans person that I know for the rest of my life as their preferred gender and everything. But that has like a political catchphrase. It's the worst actually. It seems a little weird because so many people are just kind of like repelled away from it because they're just like, well, okay,

like we'll treat you that way, but that is not technically accurate, right? This is a little bit of an oversimplication. That's why I also say a woman and female are two different things, even though a woman is like a female woman or something like that or a female individual. I forget what the definition is. But I feel like woman is social and then female is biological.

So trans women, we all know that we are biologically male, but we're socially women. And I feel like the discourse around that, that most people are like, oh, you're a man. And everything, it's like we know what we are deep inside. But like if I go out into the real world and no one's going to, I'm going to take off my makeup. I'll take off my hair extensions. I'll wear sweats and like a hoodie and have my hair up. And no one's gonna think that I'm a man. I just live my life as a woman every single day without even trying.

Like many of us do. Yeah, is that almost kind of weird? Because I could imagine, like, you living next door to your neighbors for, like, long periods of time. And they never have any fucking clue. And then all of a sudden, something happens that they get, like, tipped off. They, like, see through the window, like me, like, walking around naked. They're like, oh, my God. Yeah.

Or, like, never mind a Google search or something. And then they're... Honestly, it happens so many times. I was getting my makeup done for transcine. and my makeup artist doing my makeup and then I was talking about my dick and then the artist was just like oh you're the trans model

and I'm like yeah hi because like people just don't know and also I think that it's not only just like the surgery you had because I was still passable before but also just like the feminine energy and just like when you walk into the room there's no like question about like

oh I'm a man is that a woman is that any of that I think that it's just very natural right so when it comes to passing because that was another thing I was interested in the conversation during that panel. Yeah. It's like on one hand, I feel like some trans people seem kind of like allergic to the idea of really like judging each other fundamentally based on how passing they are. But then there's also like the we spa thing that they brought up as an example where it's like if you are making no attempt to pass, then you certainly shouldn't be entering into women's spaces and just to freak people out, you know? So it's like how is that like sort of graded in it?

Is there that, like, weird thing where, like, you want to pass and you want to, like, let other people know that you feel like they're passing, but then at the same time, is there's something kind of ugly about, like, acknowledging it too much? Oh, so I'm like, clocking. I kind of like that. Sure. Yeah. Pass clock.

I might be using my words wrong here. Sorry. So, clocking is, like, someone acknowledging it and the passing is, like, if you pass or not. But, so I would say that I'm as much as a woman as my first time taking my estrogen as I am today. But the social construct and my perception is very different.

So I feel like a lot of times like oh don't misgender somebody. It's like sometimes it's not your fault if you just perceive them that way. So I would say that I can be misperceived. So if you misperceived me as a man like at the beginning of my transition

I don't think it's any fault of yours. But if I say I'm like, hey, can you? I'd rather go by she or her. Like I'm trying. You know, my heart. artist and if you still want to call me a man then that's misgendering that's like an asshole thing to do but if someone's really trying if they're trying to like live their their life as their preferred gender and this is taking non-binary out of the question this is talking about binary

trans women and men um i do think that like it is our duty to mention that but not in a weird way and like oh do by the way i just want to use she her pronouns or he him instead of saying you have to call me this because the hostility and that aggressiveness doesn't get anywhere and it just creates a barrier that now nobody's going along but the world has gone around for so long trans people have been around for a very long time but still being a minority I think that a lot of times you have to speak up for yourself but not in a hostile way right yeah definitely so okay a lot of people probably want to know well I can inform you yes she still has a penis you already mentioned multiple times. Is there any part of you that wants to say goodbye and cancel that out of your life,

or is it you're just rocking with it for life? So I had my balls cut off. Yeah, back in 2017, I was on Daily Mail for it too. Wow, I did not know. This was a thing. Yeah, it's called an orchiectomy. So I was taking spiroactylone, which is a testosterone blocker. It was giving me like the worst pain, like neck pain, back pain. I felt so dry. My joints were hurting. So I was like, you know what? Let me just cut them off. So, um, I had them removed to really help with my stability, my hormonal, to keep it all even and stable. And so I don't have to take testosterone blockers. I just take my estrogen, my progesterone, which helps with breast growth and your libido.

And then a couple of other things. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's up. But at the end of the day, I would keep it. Because especially, like, I'm strictly bisexual men and women. So I just like having it.

But so no balls equals no cum. No, I can still come. Oh. Less? It's crazy. So a biology lesson. So your balls, I think your balls have the sperm and then your prostate has the semen. So it's the white stuff and the clear stuff.

So that's why if you come and it stays there for like 10 minutes, it just turns clear because the sperm's dead. So the liquid, so it literally comes. It's like honey almost. It's like super sticky. It's like glue. I feel like I should know more about what my own body is doing. Like, okay.

Yeah. Yeah, it's really crazy. So, no, I still orgasm. I still have everything. It's honestly, having my balls removed is more of, um... Aesthetic thing? I feel like it's more of a female orgasm, honestly. I don't know.

Really? But it's more full body. You can feel on my face. I can feel it on my leg, my toe. It's like full body is crazy. Wow. And then also, I feel like it's, instead of one and done, it can go back to back. Really?

Yeah, it's great. Wow. Technology. That's amazing. Okay. But, so these. These are a couple of tweets. I saw this one tweet

I thought was interesting on your page. You said, keeping a healthy personal off-camera sex life is so important, y'all. I don't fuck unless there's a camera

is so unhealthy and not a flex. Please see a therapist. I really agree with this a lot because I have a lot of conversations on here where I'm trying to get girls to talk about their actual sexual desires

because that's probably going to engage the people at home. And it's like they have nothing to comment on besides what they've done on camera, which is dope for sure, but it's just kind of really obviously not the same

thing, right? Like what do you do at your home versus what do you do at like an office job? It's like completely different things. So they do overlap a lot but sex is just always better off camera as much as I love an audience. Off camera,

you don't have to open up, you can just really enjoy you can do some freaky shit. I remember one time I was with this. She's really, really freaky, but She was literally like jacking me off and then like licking inside my nose and I literally felt like I was having like a brain orgasm. Inside the nose. Yeah.

It was really, really weird. I would never do that on camera. I feel like it wasn't until like my like late 30s where I really figured out how to like take time having sex. Yes. Oh, that's the best. I tell my girl I'm like, we got to like schedule an hour tonight. You know, like really just chill and like just allow it to happen nice and slowly. that's like what you've only like earned that by being with somebody for a long time like feeling like a hundred percent comfortable yeah you don't have to prep like the pop shot and everything it's just gonna just happen naturally oh yeah i mean on camera i like it because like fucking on camera aside from the fact that i got to hit that 10 minute mark for only fans if i do 959 she will scold me and i'll be like bro at the end of the final cut timeline put your your at for like two seconds and it's gonna look like the clip is 10 minutes whatever but uh yeah

Yeah, it's fun, but it's not, it's very different. Yeah, for sure. It's way more sensual. I haven't had an off-camera threesome in multiple years. Oh, you should. And sometimes I just like, I'm like, it would be weird to do this without a camera in my hand again. Oh, and plus, yeah, you are holding the camera. Like, I don't really hold it, so it's much different for guys and girls.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not always holding it. So definitely when there's a cameraman, I like it more for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because there's like every angle it's nice. There's like four angles that work if you're filming with your hand. Like with your hand, it's just very few, like, things that actually look good. And there's a lot of sex positions that everybody likes doing that are basically not existent if you're filming it yourself. Oh, my God.

Plus, like, the leg away and everything like that and going under. It's a lot. There's a lot going on. All right. This is the other Twitter. So I wanted to mention you said, after an analysis of the porn I watch, I am indeed a F-sler, which you edited it out yourself. So that's your taste. And everyone, everyone's agreeing.

Like every girl on there, it's just like, same, same, same. Because I'm like, I don't know. So Kendra Lust was my sexual awakening. In 2020, I was still scared of women of like, oh, I want to be you versus like, I want to be with you. And I asked her because she is, oh, she's so hot. She, I was like, can you teach me how to eat pussy? And she was like, sure. and taught me

and it was like, oh, it was so kinky, it was so hot. And so ever since then, I feel like that confidence just really blew up my career too because it's just been, it's just so nice. So now a lot of my porn that I watch, even like I said, P-OV, I know, I like it when I watch

like a cis girl get fucked in her ass. I don't know. I don't know why. I just does something for me. Really? So you... And it's like, it's like naughtier. But that's the least F-sler thing that I can imagine you watching.

Yeah, I know, but also, plus, like, the women, like, licking everything. I love a girl with a strap on. Because, like, there's only so much girls can't eat pussy. But, like, a strap on, it's just so hot to sing everything.

Right. Definitely. So, okay. Where are you at in your life at this point? Like, what is important to you? What are you trying to really accomplish in terms of, like, the coming year or years? You're still, like, very early in your career.

I was very surprised. Yeah. I'm still a baby. So after winning the AVN performer of the year and then also ex-BIS. perform with your back to back. Oh, wow. Congrats.

Yeah. I am so happy. I can finally, like, I'm still going to go really hard on porn, but I don't have to work so hard. I feel like in LA, I really want to start self-directing my work and start going on streaming,

Twitch and stuff like that. But just start creating more, like, artistic and like just sexy films instead of just porn. Like, this is a scene and this is a scene. I really want to make like a porn movie. That would just be super high, especially through my agency

and through my production studio that I'm creating, I just think that it would just be so great. But the next few years, I want to go more into directing, managing girls, and just creating just a really fucking hot, awesome team of women who just, like,

know how to work at the camera are good and also just make something better that's just, I adore Vixie Media Group. I love how much they put in their stories, their sets, everything. It just looks beautiful, and that's what I want to do. Definitely.

Oh, that's dope to here. For sure. You're still young. You got plenty of time. And if you just started winning awards, I feel like, yeah. Yeah, that's like, just not hitting my strike. You have a whole, like, segment of your life to come after all this for sure, yeah. Because I'm always trying to tell my girl, like, it's tempting to judge yourself based on your only fan's earnings.

Yeah. But that just doesn't encompass everything that you could potentially be doing in life. Because it's as a YouTuber, it's kind of tempting like that, too. So, like, pay attention to how much money you're making from me. YouTube and not pay attention to the entirety of your business. Because it's like your bread and butter, like your most stable thing is like OnlyFans, I feel like, and then

everything else can kind of ebb and flow. It's just the easiest to look at. It's the most fun. It's set up. Whereas like if you had like another income stream, like let's say you owned a restaurant and you wanted to like know how it was doing. Well, you get like your accountant could give you like a report here and there

but it's not going to be as easy as just like OnlyFans flip, like just refreshing it, you know? It's too easy to look at. That's why you have to hold back and not. Okay, shit. Well, thanks for coming on the show. Awesome. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Yeah, anybody want to thank? Anybody you want to shout out? Especially my boyfriend, Shardaddy, my team. And I don't know, I feel like that's really the biggest people. I guess my dad, too. But thank you so much for having me on here. For sure.

It was an honor. I appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks so much. Emma Rose, check her out. I'm sure you know where to search. Oh, it's on a rose. That's out there.

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