No Jumper - Envy Caine on Ending ABG Neal’s Career, Doing Time for It, Brooklyn Drill & More

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Envy Caine talks about doing time for the ABG Neal case, his career, drill pioneers, and more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. We out here in Manhattan with one of my favorite Brooklyn goons fresh out the box. A drill historian. He's been around since the beginning of this New York drill. And so I'm very, very happy and excited to get his perspective on everything that's been going on. M.B. Kane, aka Coca Jigga in the building. How you feeling?

What's the word? Everything good. Hey, man. I'm happy to tap in. I've been excited to meet you for a long time. How long you've been actually home now? I've been home probably like, I've been home since the 21st last month. So it was probably, let's say.

Basically a month? Almost a month, yeah. Wow. Almost a month. That's crazy. So, okay, when I'm talking to people about Brooklyn and everything, quite a few of them say this dude basically like started New York drill or started Brooklyn drill. Like, from your perspective, how early were you?

Who was doing it before you came out? From my perspective, it was more so, I mean, GS-9 kicked the door down. They bought the shots. Right, okay. Got it. Not to the city to the borough, into the city overall, you feel me? But like, from my perspective, after they got a lot, I start rapping like, my first video of 2015, November, you feel me?

I ain't really take it serious around that time, but because I was on a run for my parole at that time for whatever. So I was just rapping and rap, you feel me? But 2016 was when I got a buzz. So when I was catching my buzz, dudes like Ben Ben Bino, he like the first dude from like Brooklyn who I've seen that after they got locked up, G. G.S.9 got locked up. The sound was kind of dimmer.

A few of the associates were still trying to keep it going for them. And then other people like, I could say like light fever and bingo black and Ivo, they had like a, I forgot the name of the song, but it was like a hundred for a tech or something. They had like a big buzz. Two six oh five had a big buzz. That's A.R. 26 A.R. And they had like a big buzz as a whole at the time. Feel me?

Then 22 and them, 22Gs and them got a buzz as a whole because they got like different artists as Blickie's going to, you feel me? But for me, I caught my buzz like probably like September, 2016, when I dropped the song, folks. And then, you know, me and somebody else was having, like, a rat going. That's what brought the fuel to Brooklyn, like. Oh, they got drill rap out there, like, it's still going. For me, the dude I was going at it was, was G's gasoline.

Right. It was, like, having, like, a rap fuel musically. And he said something allegedly offensive that offended Chicago. It's a little misting them, dissed them. Okay. So now, technically this is real drill rap

now because we got like a Chicago rapper actually getting involved into it. Now they dissing, they don't even know them, but it's still for the, like, for little Jojo. And when you start making music, were you influenced by what was going on in Chicago

or was this purely just like, we got street politics going on, this shit that we want to communicate, so we're just going to make some music about it? Musically, I've been influenced by like, the elders like Jay Z, J.D.K. Cassidy,

Mills Fab, you know. Right. You're a talented rapper. Like when I actually watch your shit and like really dig deep, it's like you have a lot of stuff where it's obvious that you're not just making music to dis-people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, at one point at time, like, you know what it is? I'm just great at making disrespectful droll rap because I started disrespectful drill rap in New York.

I'm not saying people, I didn't start drill rap. Like I say, GIS 9 and other few individuals already had that sound. But the disrespect, like blatantly dis, this, I'm smoking your friend. I'm doing like I'm the one who really did it the best disrespectfully and I stamped it for me just anyway so that's how that went but um yeah um so when I called my buzz against what G's got selin we was like bumping heads musically and then um what you're gonna call it no mr distum and then it turned into something and now it's like a oh shit it's like big hop america versus mvcane and the blickies musically this like some music figure out so we kept we brought

like the disrespect and like the two two started the UK sound with the beats so we kind of like branded a different sound two two and them got like dance moves because they're younger than us so they like you know they like they like the vibe out sometimes so when they used to do their video they have like certain dances that's kind of trademarked in the city without legitimately being trademarked right yeah yeah to where like other individuals like pop smoke six and nine all of them they start doing it like I won't say stealing it but stealing it you know what and remixing in their own way. So there were dances that are like specific

to certain gangs, but then you had somebody like 6'9 come out and just be doing the shit and not giving the fuck? Is that how in the way? It was like 2-2Gs. And them was the only group of, them, like, 2,605 was like the only two group of young people who, when they made drill music or just music, they had so much energy in their videos

because they're young, but they bust in dance moves. And now they're doing so much signature dance moves in their videos when they go viral that other people who are rapping are like, admiring their moves and doing it in their own way. And it's turning into like, oh, New York drill rap as we have in dances. If you notice.

And it's kind of like that's like a more fun, youthful version of the drill shit versus Chicago where everything's a little bit more serious and shit. Not to say that shit is not really going down out here, but it also had like a little bit more of a lighthearted side to it with the dancing and shit. Yeah, the dancing kind of brought more of a vibe. Like see, our drill music, we like the second home, I believe,

for drill music. In America? I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we stampy. So, like, I would sound more so kind of bring, like, a dance. It's disrespect. It's still got the authentic drill layout from Chicago because we obviously adopted it from them. But, like, ours got more kind of like a vibe, a dance to it or, you know, a groove to it.

Definitely. So from your perspective, were you already locked up by the time Pop started really blowing up? I got locked up December 2019 for the case I just came on from. I got locked up. And Pop Smoke already was having a bus. He already dropped me to the wall. for me because he died December

2020 right if I'm not mistaken I don't know I don't know when he died I know he died 2020 so that wouldn't be December okay yeah because I was locked up

when he died okay damn but yeah hell yeah but um so did that from your perspective in terms of this

becoming so mainstream do you think that pop coming out was that like a huge thing because he kind of brought like a different level of you know I don't know he just had a completely

different sound and like when I came out here for rolling 2019, it was like, holy shit. He had a couple of songs that it just completely set the city on fire. Nah, I ain't a lot. Pop Smoke took it to a different level. Yeah.

Like, he made it international. Even though we, everybody got their signature move they did for drum music in New York. That made it what it is to the day. Everybody played it real well and made music. So I'm not taking that from nobody. But him, he took it to a different level, international. You know what I'm saying? He blew up.

Right. And now, to the day, like, New York City got to shine like that because, like, it went to a different level. Were you the first, New York drill rapper to get on a Zach TV? No. Who else I was before you?

I would think it would be the blickies. No, they did before you. They were the first ones. I was locked up when they did it. That's what it was it did. Did it feel like you were a part of just like a crazy ass moment in New York rap history? Because all of a sudden you just have so much politics

playing out and people are making YouTube videos and trying to dissect this shit and everything. It must have felt like a crazy time to be coming out. You know what it is with me? Like, you know, I always wanted to be a rap as a kid, but I never, like, pursued it because I was in the street. But when I really first started rapping, I never thought like it would be, like, no attention. I didn't do it for attention because I hate the attention part of rap. I was just like the money and the benefit, you know.

But, like, I didn't know it was going to be like this. I never would have to. But when I first started seeing, like, how I get attention or how people see me or I got, like, kind of more discreet, catching views. I'm getting gained in notoriety. It was hard to adjust to. To this day, it's still hard to adjust to. But so, okay, did you, were you already like fully in a bunch of drama and bullshit in the streets when you started rapping? Or did that shit become a lot worse as a result of the rapping?

All I know is this. Whatever is supposed to be, whatever it is, it's before rap. You know what I've been rapping, I just been rapping. Don't believe a lot of this shit you see in these raps, but half these rap. You know, the industry is not what it perceived to be. You know what I'm saying? So even with us, musically, like, a lot of people just need rapping. A lot of people don't even know each other.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But the ones who do know each other, if you know, you know, you know. You know what I'm saying? That's that, you know? Because you were really, like, outside. Like, in a lot of that old hood vlog footage and everything, and this is really how it is in New York.

And this is very, very foreign to a lot of people. Like, when I look at L.A. dudes and shit, they just don't really, like, hang out outside their crib to the extent that people in New York do, because in New York you have these big-ass giant apartment complexes and projects and shit. And so it's like people don't really want to be sitting in the crib all night. Every night.

you're posted up on the park benches and stuff so it's like very easy to imagine how street situations could play out like you are out there available for it if people want to get into and like you're doing vlogs in the hood talking about this shit and it's like open opportunity for people to do something to you

like that's a lot more dangerous than the way that a lot of people in Chicago and L.A. are living to be totally honest I didn't look at like that though but see New York is I say it's unique because it's like you know we got a lot of cameras we got a lot of like it's like this is like real expensive it's like expensive state I feel like right like when it comes to the streets it's like it's like you gotta really be a person who know what's going on on how to conduct yourself to stay alive and stay alert out of you know what I'm saying so like

but if it's not that man you know you could just live your life man everybody be outside especially summertime it's about to get lit I know I know I'm gonna be outside I'm always outside you know yeah you don't feel like you're too hot of a commodity to be outside like When I say outside, I mean like not particularly on a block, but like like traveling, moving around, showing face, you know what I mean? Like enjoying myself without too much limits. So somebody like you who's all wrapped up in this Brooklyn shit, you can come to Manhattan and it feels like you're on vacation, like you're in a totally different world?

To me, whenever I'm in New York City, I'm perfectly comfortable. I don't feel uncomfortable. I don't live my life out of fear. I believe in a lot. I'm good. Okay. I'd be blessed. Do you feel like you're actually really kind of removed from a lot of the shit

that you used to be in because you just went and sat down for five, six years, whatever. Then you come back. It's like a lot of the shit that was going on when you were, like, you're not as young as you were. It's like a totally different generation. Yeah, it is. Does it feel like you're not as controversial as you might have been before? No, I don't really feel like that.

I know with me, a lot of my fans kind of know my story because I kind of like certain things that's real and not real is on the internet. So if you know, you know, so it's like, it's like with me, I don't, I don't need to be controversial. Controversity sells, but that was never my gimmick. I was just being me. You know what I'm continuing to still be me. So like, I'm talented without me having to say it. You know, my little repertoire, whatever I have speaks for itself, you know what I'm saying? But it's nothing for me to get in my bag. I just tell people just leave me alone while I'm home. Let me just make my music. Don't bother me because I ain't bother nobody. You know, people know when

I get mad, I get mad. And then that's when I start bunging to avoid that. Let's just make music and live. I like, you know what I'm saying? But did you feel like being gone for, five years that you kind of got your head screwed on straight a little bit where you don't want to live your life with it the way like when you look at your prior rap career where you just a hot head that was whiling out and you look at that like damn i got a i got to find like a new way to exist i can't just be going back and doing all the old i used to do definitely like me i've been locked up before but i just went to the feds too so the feds kind of really sat me down and really matured me i was around individuals and doing things to better myself mentally so it's

like my the way i think now like you know what i'm saying i don't really want to be more no kind of violence to nobody or putting myself in no predicaments where I have to promote violence because I'm still me at the end of the day. Right. I just know how to make better decisions before it happened. You know me? Word. Definitely.

So, okay, I initially found out about you. I was not as tapped into the Brooklyn drill scene at the time was when this video basically comes out because you got to realize I wanted to sign ABG Neal at one point. He ended up actually getting signed by Johnny Shipes. But then all of a sudden this video comes out of him getting the dog. beat out of him by a rapper. Then I start going backwards and doing my history and realizing like, oh, okay, this dude's actually like lit in New York

and I find out how that happened. But you didn't even know dude, right? You just like, it was strictly kind of like an internet thing because he's dissing where you're from or where you represent. It's like before I would have never spoken this because I leave whatever in the street. But you already did. But I just did it time for him.

Right. It's like, I don't want no recognition for it. But my fans didn't know why I'm locked up. They was confused seeing so much shit on the internet. I rather than really hear for me. And it's like, I ain't never know him at all. I ain't know son at all, you are. Like, son, I just see him in videos with certain people

and I'm seeing him doing certain kind of disrespectful things. So I'm like, who is this? I ain't paying him no mind. And I ran it to him in the studio, me just recording in a new studio. And I was happy to meet you. I'm happy to meet you. I always, like, on some Facebook. Like, yo, I'm happy to meet you.

Because I've been seeing you on the internet being real disrespectful. Like, how you know me? Like, I don't know you, whatever. We had words, whatever. it does, eventually he got his ass whooped and he got a chain taken. It ain't about the chain. Nobody needs to chain. Nobody is getting Brad.

He's fortunate. So when you're having that conversation with him in the studio, was he trying to stand on his shit or did he immediately try to recant all this GDK or whatever he was in saying? Believe it or not, on some real shit, I'm a very strategic person. Like, I have my whole discovery in paper form and I have videos of the actual incident, like the real incident. Like before, which I see on camera, that's not. What happened though?

Like the actual change. I have like this is just the timeful, you know, I gotta pay lawyer, I got everything. Right. So like I'm saying like with him is like, I ain't know something. For me, I seen something in the studio. All right, we exchanged words. He was basically trying to tell me like, yo, I thought y'all was like, whatever he is, we didn't agree with them. I'm like, I don't even know you.

You know, like, you know me? You know, like, now I don't know you. I'm like, you know any of my people who's like, no. He's like, so I'm like, yo, so why are you GDK then? GdK then, like, why are you being so... You're like, oh, nah, because I don't try it. I'm like, what? So now he's seeing my people's coming out of the session.

I didn't even know my people who's there anyway, so there's a lot of us in there. It's like six, seven of them. No, it's like six of them there, too. They're eating Chinese food for me. The element of surprise is everything. When they see you, they're like, oh, shit. Like, oh, cocaine. It wasn't like they're scared, but you know the element of surprise.

So I'm like, all right, when we used to be talking. So I'm talking to my son who's supposed to be cool with his people. He was like, yo, look. I got one of your people who's here too, look, you see? You're like, oh, so how are we supposed to be not agreeing with your people's if somebody who's associated with your kind of people was here with me? You know what I'm going to say? And to me, I felt like he was on some, like, trying to really stand on it.

Like, instead of him, that's a moment right there. You see, I have the upper hand. That's why I got to give him some kind of, like, credit. Right. You didn't like. You didn't just be like, no, bro. He was a skit. I'll give you that.

You know what I'm saying? Uh-uh. But this is, your credit is shot after this. Because now it goes. Oh, yeah. So something like,

I'm asking, I'm going to, so you, GDK, bro? Like, this is my last time asked you. Like, before I go to my sister

and, uh-uh. My means is like, what? I'm like, you chill. He's like, I'm saying if y'all,

it sounds like he's trying to, like, I'm assuming he was going to say, I'm saying if he's, what I'm jacking. K. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I don't agree what I am, then, yeah.

But he didn't get a chance, so I just ran in his mouth. But when I hit him, I had like a bag of fool with me, so the bag of fool hit him too. And that just started like a whole fucking bro. You know what I'm saying? But I ain't even participating in the bra. I'm like, yo, get the chain. Because now, I got to get the chain now. Right.

I have to take the charge. That's the mission? No, no. This has to come with me now because even this is a little bummer-ass chain. This is just for the record. Like, yo, look, if you don't got no real problem with us in the street, because he obviously said he don't, he don't know us. Right.

This is awesome internet shit. That's how I'm taking it. Like you just, what people that you assume I don't get along with and you're trying to be down with them dropping the same signs as them. Now when he's catching you on the street, you don't got that same energy, but you still trying to stand on whatever you was putting up there. I gave you that. Right.

You got to, Chappelle. Like, Chappelle, you got to get, for me? I had to. Give me the chain, boom, woo. For me? Whoever took the chain, took the chain, whatever. Firm me, boom. Get away.

You run into him outside. as we're getting in the cars to try to drive away and shit like that's in session I'm gonna have to go in the session right as I'm getting in the car

see he's running off the back door like obviously trying to flee the scene from in the building because the incident happened in the studio like in the lobby of the studio so now we take the chain little barbic up we get outside

see him while we drive him and see him running out of the back door you know niggas get off the car start jumping him it's like a part two okay

so what we saw in the video is a part two okay get it So boom All his manager was with him They're not there They're probably in the studio still Because we immediately evacuated the premises

By going to Getting the cars I'm gonna get away You know what I'm saying? We just beat just Beech the shit This is regular This is like some regular Like this is not to me

This is not even a crime This is like some street shit Like two street people running into each other Have words instead of us shooting each other And because most of the dudes that you beefed Within your life are probably not the type Who are gonna go call the cops right? You understand?

I don't have beef with nobody, but anybody from the street who's lived by a certain code or criteria in life would never, ever even think to call a cops. Yo, I'm so nervous. You could be, you could hurt your leg in front of me and you have to call an ambulance. Like, I will, excuse me, miss, can you call an ambulance from him? But I cannot be in the phone. You get it? Like, that's how, not say institutionalized, but how structured I am to the street code.

I'm not saying I'm some super street. But I just believe in what I believe in. I assume whoever's operating like me out here or. commonly moving like they on what I'm on. I'm assuming you're going to move like that too. So we get outside, whatever they jump up. I'm just recording for the archives. I'm going to record this.

I'm going to record this. I don't know somebody else with me is recording too. You can't even. Whatever, we get away. Longroom is, I see the internet the next day, you think? I'm like, oh, so you guys didn't put it out? No, somebody put it out. That's here there, you feel?

Eventually now I feed it to a two. I also shares the video and I speak on it too because it's out now. You made it the intro to music video too. No, I didn't do that. I'm going to tell you because I'm going to move. That comes out, I'm like, oh shit. That's on the internet. I've been in jail before.

I'm like, this probably looks crazy, man. This is probably worst. It's like we two rabbers. I don't like this. No, I find out who leaked it or whatever. I even, I fed it to her once it was up there though, so I can't feel like there's nobody fault. You know what I'm saying?

I don't see something on the internet regular. I'm hearing a little street shit. This is, I'm not really paying this in my mind, you feel me? Because it's like some normal shit. I was just on the internet something like, yo, like, Like this what happens to people who don't got beat for us. Like if you're not GDK, like don't do this because this will happen with the change. But I never put my face to the chain, you know what I'm saying?

So when I see it that, I'm like, so boom. Something like, yo, um, most of the week after that, I did a song with Tutu already before all it is. So now two, it's called for revenge at the time. So I go to the studio like a week later, Tutu lemme here was Parj. We were bribing bro shit, right? This shit. We make a song. I mean, we make another song.

He's like, yo, let's shoot a video. I'm like, let's shoot the video to that word. We shoot the video, like, in the studio. Now, of course, I don't know. There's two, too, so. I'm just wondering, you get me? But it's the hype at the time. To a world star, that shit is everywhere.

I see you all talking about it now. Right. Like, does he really have a cane? Not knowing that they had a cane, what them were, what them had a cane. Right. So, I probably disarmed them. That part it was a part of the brawl.

Okay. That's like nothing I thought about. Right. When it hit the blog, it looked like. It makes sense in the cane. That was what our reaction was. Because in my head, it's not a cane. It was like a crowbar or like a pipe or like, was it a cane?

It was an actual cane. Okay. And then I started thinking I should walk around with a fucking cane now. So really like, but anyway, that's the thing. I was just so new shit. Anyway, so he goes, whatever. I see the video come on with two. I'm like, oh, shit.

I can't get mad at it or no, because it's probably the hype of the time. But the video didn't get to go too viral anyway because when you push it like that in front of the video, it puts the over eight. Right. That's what I was thinking, yeah. I didn't even know. That's how you know I don't got into do with that. Right. But you feel me? I ain't disagree, but I didn't agree. You know what I'm saying? So whatever. I see some go live like, yo, I'm telling story tonight. And when he go live, if nobody knows what happened to you, right? Why are you on the internet saying we jump to? Oh, we had to do this. Nobody wants to fight you one-on-one. He's saying my name. Let's fight for money. Too-to-to-let's fight for money. Why are you doing all that? If you're saying cops, he's saying in the, you can go to YouTube right now. He went live.

Right. G gets jumped live. He's saying like, yo, uh, the feds is watching, the cops is watching. Like, y'all n'n't fucking a high boat.

That's cool, but why are you saying our names just in the video? Right. People in the comments like, you'll log off, man.

That's already. If you were street, you're supposed to be whatever you are, you can't be on the internet. Like, not admitting, but like,

you know, you're kind of like adding to given detail, basically confirming that these individuals listen to you. I'm not saying he's a rat for that.

But did you say he called the cops? Or are you saying he just went on live I don't have to break it down. Boom, that happened. Boom. I don't even know that. I got an open gun case at the time.

You get me? I'm on a bell at the time. So I got caught that same month. Well, I go to court. I go to court. When I go to court, I get re-arrested when I go to court by another pre-shend for this case. And I see people who was allegedly there with me did. So I'm like, we all in a prison.

We're getting charged secret indictment, ABG Nail. This is something. I'm like, what the for a fight? Right. Hell no. Whatever, I ain't paying no money. They remade me, leave me in jail. I don't get no bell.

During the pandemic, I get locked up in the summer 2019. I'm in jail, no bell. I get a bell April, boom. I mail out June first, boom. $500,000 bell when I come home. Now I get my discovery and shit. And my discovery, I start seeing the 911, my lawyer come.

I start seeing, he got 911 call saying like, yo, he don't know who did it to him. He's bleeding. It's all on the internet to it. I got it all in Gmail. You feel me? I can, I'm just not a whack one. Like, I don't want to get caught off the, I want to get caught off of me.

I just want people to know the actual story. You know what I'm saying, bro? Like, I'm a real individual who stick to what I believe in. When you don't stick to what you say you believe in, people have to know about this to warn people to never do what the fuck he did because you stop his blessings by, you know what I'm saying? By not playing the streets right. Yeah.

Anyway, I said a new better. He's from sunset. No disrespect from nobody from sunset. But, like, you don't know. He's talking about him. He won't be for me. Right. So anyway, like, he goes.

Anyway, like, yo, I get locked up, but I bell out. I find out the n-in the statement, like, yo, I got the papers here, too. I'll pull it up and let you read it and everything. Yo, eight people jumped me. They took my phone, such and such, such, such, such from me. I don't know who it is, but check the cameras. That's cooperating. Get it?

So he didn't have to say your name. You don't got to say money. You know what we're on footage. And especially then you combine that with the live where he's, Being more specific, right? Plus, I mean, plus when I couldn't went on the internet and said, yo, like, let them do their work. Like, if I got locked up or the state picking it up

because we're on cam, well, yeah. Let them, I'm cool with that. That's my mistake. No, no, no, no, no. Yo, bro, dude, the victim is saying it's Ali You people, go check the camera. I don't know who it is, but it's eight people. It takes an additional level.

Eight of us, like that. If you get your chains hook like that, it takes an additional level of resolve to not snitch on it because if you want to file the insurance claim, you're going to need a police report. So maybe in his head he's thinking, well, I'm not going to say who did it, but I'm going to say that it got taken like this

so I'll be able to get the insurance money. I don't know if he was actually advanced enough in his head that he was thinking about insuring it or if it was even worth enough to insure. No, it wasn't worth enough. That shit wasn't enough, man. He didn't even get... Because he's at the very beginning of his rap career.

I'm assuming he doesn't have a $20,000 change. I said just see him. I didn't understand this. Out of all the people in the world, if I had a so-coran to somebody that I so-co-had-a-poll had palms, it wouldn't turn it like that. It had been what it's supposed to be. Right.

All right. Everybody gets called lacking if you're in the street at some point in time. Everybody knows you can't just be in point out of time. You try to prevent these things from stopping by, you know, being aware, stand alive and staying alert. So I'm, you know, you can't blame him for getting for lack and it happens. It's about what you handle after that with the law. Right. You don't assist the law by saying, yo, eight people, Johnny.

So this, this, this, that, nothing for me. I don't know who it is, but check the cameras. I got the people. I'm going to make you read. You want me. Yo, I'm going to pull it out on camera. I swear to God because I don't want about

thinking I'm capping I believe you but I really want you to be able to be like yo yeah I see it on my own two eyes okay you know what I'm saying

and this is not that serious but if I'm talking about it I want people to really see like okay ain't no cap in my rap you feel me so that happens

whatever I see like then it's so I don't I'm fighting the case I can't I come home I drop target practice one of my lit songs during the pandemic

June 1 come on I'm going crazy I ain't even I'm making certain people who I see who who I see who your man telling them show me the paper

I can't show you but I'm fighting the case. Well, until you show me, I can't jack him. Even his, some of his people stop f*** with him. That's cool. But, like, gang, this is telling, bro. Like, I got six codees right now. You know what I'm saying to you?

Two people, they said they never caught. Like, you know, they're going to make me. I've already got jail history. Plus, I'm the rapper. It happens to school. You know what they're going to make sure. And New York goes extra hard on Joe. At this time, they're trying to show you're going to do time.

I get five years for this case. Because I feel like the New York cops, A, they have just way more resources and way more actual cops. and then they're looking at Chicago, they're seeing what is happening in Chicago, and they're like, we definitely need to, like, come down on this. Because New York and Brooklyn has a crazy history

of anybody who starts seeing motion, cops are going to find a way to get them out of here, over and over and over. Especially if you're from a Pacific area that's so-called, allegedly, a part of something, and then, you know, they're trying to make sure they make example they are. You know what I'm a person who don't commit crimes.

I'm not a part of nothing. I'm just an individual who will make music, you heard. You don't believe that. Bobby shit, like he blows up, and then they end up going back in time and getting him for a bunch of little, like relatively minor shit that happened before he was lit.

You know? I mean, shit, at the end of the day, I salute them because ain't none of them telling the indictment. Bobby's worth of them. I salute them for that. They're some real shit,

you know what I'm saying? But I remember seeing... Besides that I don't know nothing else. Like, when I started to see ABG Neal, I wasn't thinking to him as some super gangster dude. And then I remember they did that remix with Chef and them.

And then I'm kind of like, oh, okay, like he's going to play ball like this. Like, he's going to be in the videos with these guys and he's going to be... Which is good. Which has got to be really tempting because when you're lit as a rapper, we see this over and over. As soon as you're lit as a rapper, look at the 6-9 shit.

Like, it's very tempting to just, like, get co-signed by that shit for protection and for the look of it to the people. And that, I think, might have been the problem. Because it's like if he had kind of kept his image a little bit more neutral, then he probably wouldn't have ended up in the situations that ended up happening. I got two, three lay off, free guy time taking. My other two-quarterfin is still locked up. Oh, really? My other ones is home, too.

You know what I'm saying to you? Like, there's people in jail. can't take care their family. Not saying like I'm saying they innocent, but like, well, you don't do that when we're in the street. You know what I'm saying? If the Lord catch up to us,

let them catch up to us. Don't us aid in the system, you know what I'm saying? Anyway, more times, 11 for the Alton bag of small downs, back at the range. Anyway, that's neither here there. I just want people to know that I.

I ain't got no problem with son. I just don't agree with what son did. That was foul. You sat a real n' down. They ain't going to stop my son because I'm one of a con, but I'm just saying like, let's make it clear.

You didn't do nothing stand up. you feel me in the world I don't know you're a rat and I don't agree with no rats no man should be in jail only and people who tell belong in jail anybody else belong free I don't care if you're a rival I don't care who you are old, young

you belong free you don't belong in jail you get what I'm saying to you? Because you've been in that situation you know how bad it is. Nobody, that shit is not for nobody that shit is a whole system that's meant to tear humanity down you get me what I'm saying to you and anybody who

who agree with that is a fucked up individual so you're putting people in jail assisting them you know that leads to that you're a fucked up individual. You know what I'm saying? That's the thing it is. Okay, I did an interview with his homie crime life cast who he was rapping with at the time, who I believe was actually already locked up by the time that you got into the situation with

him. But he told me that they basically fell out and their friendship got ruined because of the fact that he, that Cass said he was so let down by Neil getting caught lacking in that situation that he almost like couldn't believe it. Like I don't even think he mentioned the whole snitching element to it or I don't know if that was like something. Nobody knew. Right, so that wasn't really out there at the time

But he was basically telling me that he was so let down by Neil Getting caught lacking in that situation Now, do you view it like that? Like, did he really commit a mortal sin by being in that building Without necessarily being able to protect himself? No, I feel like he didn't happen to anybody, right? Dude, that shit can happen to anybody or I'd have been put in situations too before, you know what I'm saying? It's all kind of shit in the internet people act like they punch me.

They threw a slushy in my face driving. I go through shit, I'm a rap, I'm popular, I'm outside. That happens when you're outside. You knew New York, you see the right. rappers getting into situations like this way more than most parts of the world. Because New York is more like a little fishbowl. You just are going to see a full.

Like we can walk outside right now and we're going to see 200 people within five minutes. Somebody just walked by and was just waving at me. I swear to God. Right. Why were you just talking to? It's in New York City. There's like the tiniest sliver of a window where you can't hide in New York unless you inside.

So if you outside is no harder. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Nah, that's just crazy. But okay, so from your perspective, though, being locked up throughout this time, like you were locked up all through COVID and everything.

Yeah, so what happened was, yeah, I bailed out for that June, I got locked up December 19 for the ABC New case. I bailed out June 1st, 2020. When I bailed out, I came, I was home. July 2021, the feds locked me up for a gun case

while I'm out on bail for the ABC New case, whatever, a case. My co-defendant is Coastal. We didn't know he was co-defendants. We went to catching a third case while we was outside. You think me? So, boom.

I'm in the feds now. So I sat in jail during the pandemic for like six, almost seven months, bailed out for the ABGNO case. I go to the feds. While I'm in the feds, I do 27 months in there. I go from the feds to the state. They ran my case as concurrent.

If I take five years right now, they'll run it with the Fed time. It'll count as one time according to the time I did before. I said, perfect. I'm jagging at. So I did that. So I did my Fed time. I did my state time.

You don't do five years out of five years. You probably do like four, four years, whatever, whatever it is. You know what I was? And that's how I was, you know? That's how I came on me. I did the rest of my time in the state. I came up from the state. So I had a different learning experience with jail.

Like, I don't grow up for a jail. But if you don't learn, if you don't learn from the predicaments, if you don't network on some positive shit, in the predicaments, you're going to keep going back to that. You feel me? And I got a lot going for myself. And I got different, like, things in my head that I want to, plans that I got, that I didn't get a chance to lay out yet,

because of my street shit. So I didn't really own no street shit. I just want to make music. That's what I love and that's what I'm on. Yeah, you did. You seem like you came back with a little bit of a different mentality. Like even when I'm hearing you talk about people who used to have problems with and everything, it's like it sounds like you don't really want to keep pushing that shit, even though you obviously are standing on. You know what it is?

I'm me at the end of the day. I'm Coker. Coker. Master Flex. Coker T. Washington. Coker Fcini, Cobra. I can't breathe. Whatever you want me to be, then.

Just make sure it's cocaine involved. But I'm not know. I'm an understanding individual. I live with morals and principles. You've been saying to you? We all make mistakes. I did things in my life. I don't regret nothing I did, you heard.

Right. But however, I'm going to stand on whoever I am to this day. I'm just control my own environment. I try not to put out bad energy no more now that I've done this time and I'm trying to focus on music. Nah, if something come my way, of course I'm going to deal with it. Don't diss me and my wire you up. Don't play with me.

You know what I'm going on. But besides that, I'm trying to just stay out the way and live life. You've got to feel kind of limited in what you can say and do as compared to like all the new rappers coming out where they ain't had cases and shit yet. Like when you see the young dudes making videos with guns in the videos and stuff, all I think is like, okay,

they haven't had to deal with the law yet. So they feel comfortable doing this at this point. They're not experienced. I know by, when I watch a video, because I don't be knowing all the new rap and shit in him, but when I watch a video, I can tell, he got some kind of experience by his lyrics, how he's moving,

how he carries over what he's dressing on me? Judgment is everything. First impression is everything, you know what I'm doing. So I see by presentation, like, what I'm dealing with, these young dudes, they don't give a, All over the world.

They don't give a fuck. They will kill you all in. So I know that. I respect young people, older people I don't give a fuck. So are you interested in seeing all the up-and-coming drill rappers and street rappers? Or does it feel like this is just the same shit over and over? I support all drill rap because that's where I came from. I'm not a drill rapper.

I'm a real rapper. You know what I'm saying? That's why I consider myself with lyricists. Versatial. But I know I'm very good at drill rapping. So I respect the culture of you, for me. And I like what I'm saying. It's a different sound.

Maybe because I'm older, I can't really relate to. like all the other burrows making music. But I respect it. They doing their thing, you feel me? I know me, though. What I got cooked up for them is different right now. So what I'm about to give them is quality. Because, okay, Brooklyn versus Bronx drill.

I feel like the Bronx threw a totally different spin on it. They got the really rough vocals. They're rapping fastest. The beats are totally different. Meanwhile, you go back six, seven years to some of the shit that you came up with is like back when you were coming out. It's a lot closer to like traditional style rap or even Chicago drill, which is like now a lot of the shit from the Bronx, I feel like it's a totally different genre. Like you need to slow it down and put the lyrics on the screen.

Kids really do this. They upload a version with it slowed down with the lyrics so that people can pick out exactly what they're saying. It's like a totally different thing. Like, do you appreciate these developments? That's smart. They're smarter than us. They're more marketable to us. You know, we came out.

We was really thugging, really outside, really rapping. rap is somebody's story even if it's not your story somebody's real story that's what you're going to relate to these young I'm not saying they're not talking some real shit but they shit more of a like

it's more of a bounce and they say yell it's like only they understand I respect it though because that shit lit for me and I feel some of it no freaky no Diddy but at the same time

it's like no I respect the culture and I just want the culture to grow Diddy's a New York legend you can't take his New York legend card away from him no

he's taking it man He's even more traditional now. He's more than you now. Gotta stand back. There's too much shit going on on here, man. There, bro, that's crazy. All right, so taking it back in time a little bit, I ended up, you know, as I'm doing my Googles about you and everything,

I realized that back in the day, you had issues with my friend, Pobarazzi Po. So I tap in with Poe. I got to hit you with this whole thing. I say to him, what should I ask him be cane about? He proceeds to hit me with a whole list of a bunch of messy-ass shit And then I say So do you still like you really got issues with him still or not? And he said

I'm gonna be real with you like I'm over it If he's gonna be cool about it I'm gonna be cool about it like he I don't want to act like I'm provoked shit Because he ended up saying like it is really like water under the bridge I got respect for him it is what it is And he acknowledged that you at one point Helped him out in a very serious situation and made it sure that he got home safe And he said that he has never really publicly talked about that because of cases in the past or whatever. He didn't want to put too much out there. Okay.

This all sound familiar? Yo, all I know is that my name, I'm building all to spell my name, bro. My first name, so I don't really know. I don't know. But I know this, so. I'm going to tell you this, though. I'm going to tell you this. I ain't got a parable pope, man.

You know what I mean? He makes it sound like y'all started drill rap down there. No, no. But your beef was, like, extremely form. for the genre. I don't have beef for nobody and I didn't start no drug rap. Pass beef.

No, no. I didn't start no drill rap. Okay. And Poe wasn't around me for another of that. You know what I'm saying? You know, Poe wasn't around me for like no real street shit going on.

I'm saying? I don't know Paul like that. I've been around Poe probably five times in my life. You know what's that he? Studios, musical shit. It wasn't like no... No one on the block,

hanging friends in the crib. I don't know. I don't know what I mean like that. I ain't got no problem with that man, but he's not where I'm from the Bronx. I'm from Brooklyn. Like, if we know each other from different boroughs, that's gonna be locked in our own way.

I don't know, son, you feel me? But I did a song with son, we made some songs, had a fallout, left it like that, you know what I'm saying? That's it. Okay. So, no hard feelings? No, I ain't got no problem with poor, poor, poor. He's good, man.

I hope he's doing good, I hope he's all right. I've been seeing him on internet. I just see some little shit, he was talking about me in this shit, but I didn't even get to click it. Oh, okay. I just see that, all right? He's doing this thing, he'll live. That's what that meant it's.

Respect. Where are you at with Tutu G's? You talked to him since you got home? I ain't got no problem with none of my people who are locked in. I'm not saying we'd be right each other every day. We're in different states and stuff. But, no, we're good. You know, we're good.

On my side of the fence, me and my people's, we stand. Okay. You feel me? We just don't try to like, we're not like everybody else, man. We don't do shit for the internet shit no more. We ain't own that no more. We want something regular, you know? You're trying to move a little bit differently?

Just let the music speak for itself. Right. They know. If you don't know where I am, go tap in on social media. Go to Google. Inv. K. You're going to see what's going on. I'm not seeing them nobody crazy. I'm not saying I'm not saying nobody regular. I'm just saying, when you mention that, I mean, the him or one of them, tap in. I got 96 videos. I've been rapists in 2015. They know what's going on. Independent. And so basically, explain this Atlanta situation because you got into a situation with someone and they ended up getting your phone and basically like deleting your social media and all your music videos.

No, yo, this is what happened in Atlanta. in Atlanta whatever happened in the streets got nothing to do with me all I know is that something happened streetwise and somebody was on me

that I don't want anything to do with like I'm just like I guess guilty by association okay like on something like not no crime like no shooting shit happened no one's something in the street

happened and I got to do with it which I found out later on but originally I didn't know that this was happening when it happened so something happened streetwise

where oh shit like when I woke up in my hotel room And I left and I came back, all my shit is empty. My laptop, my YouTube blog been there, all my merch, my forever six-weared sweaters, my jeans, clothes to me. Oh, weed, had like a pound of weed in there, you know what I'm saying? Half a pound of weed, a couple of dollars in there.

Feel me, all kind of crazy shit, whatever. They took it. You know what, you know? And I got a few of my guys was like in the same old tellers. They don't remember, they don't know. I mean, I remember, they don't know what's going on. We all confused. Fast forward.

I see that shit on the internet. Just like y'all do, like, oh, niggas taking over my Instagram and all the kind of shit. I don't know who it is. You feel me? Were they trying to extort money out of you or they were just doing it to fuck with you?

They realized that he's a rapper. He lit. Oh, when they brought me, it's obviously it's not nothing personal with me. I don't know who the fuck it is, you know what I'm saying? Right. But that's the first time I ever been victimized.

Like, somebody actually like burglarized me. And you can't do shit about it. Yeah, I have my teeth on this shit. I didn't kiss my jewelry and shit. But you can't do anything about it Because it's like what the fuck are you going to do when somebody's doing this? Like you don't know where they're, you don't know how to you. Hotels are nice resort.

It's a nice, so sweet. It's a sweet. So they don't got like no real surveillance. You know, they shit is crazy. So whatever. My people's who's out there was going on. But anyway,

yeah, that's what I have in this shit. So I was like, damn. But was that kind of debilitating for your career to have all these? Like you probably had videos with millions of views. They deleted. All my fucking videos.

How are you? I couldn't even get them back. Wow. Word. They didn't leave. As I said, I shot 96 videos. I got probably 82 videos up right now.

You re-uploaded all the old shit? Not all of them. I probably lost 30 videos, you know what I mean? Wow. But the ones that had millions and millions of views, I only got a couple of them back and they don't got it. I only got like a couple million views videos. Like probably like four or five videos that got millions of views now.

That sucks. I had some shit. I had like at least 12 videos that have like millions of views. That's a fucking nightmare situation for a rapper right there. I don't know if I've ever heard of that happened and to anybody else. Yeah, but look though. Maybe once or twice, but that said ain't stopped enough for me. shit don't never stop. What I did after that, made a new channel, shot another 50 videos

in less than a year, you know what I'm saying? We uploaded some of my old videos, whatever I asked, you know what I have? Definitely. I don't really care about all that. People who know in New York know what's going on like, you know what, you know what? And there's more to come. So, when's the last time you saw it to Coast the Ghost? I was locked up. We both was on Wrecking's out on, like, 20, 23. But you guys are in good terms? Because there was some tension at one point, right? We don't got no problem. You got past that? Sometimes people fall out or have moments, you know? People, blows always, it's never going to just be like we see out of eyes shit, but we locked in, we go. I'm not saying we, you know what I mean, how it used

to be, but I'm saying like, we're grown and shit, like we locked in, we ain't going to problem and shit. But you were locked up while he got picked up for this charge that he's down for, right? What was that like, uh, seeing him get hit with such a serious charge? I know he didn't come home. Oh, really? He's not locked up for the end of the day. He didn't do that shit. He could. That's good. That's good. Cops are just... No, for real, like, he just make music, you for me? He got blessed. He ain't no niggie who and stuff like that.

Definitely. He tried to like remove your GD card at one point. Can anyone do that? Can he do that? Me, man. Come on, man. That's some internet shit, man. You can't believe those.

All right that. All right. All right. That's all I know. That's what I know. What was that? That was a bar right there? No, that's just what I know.

Right. Okay. What's your relationship with billionaire black? Yeah, that's it. Bro, I fuck a bro. Was he the root of you having problems with paparazzi Po? Hell no. I actually met him through Paul,

because he was already friends with him and shit. Okay. You know, of course I used to be like a person who listen to their music and shit. You know, I'm from Chicago culture. Right. So, you know, he linked me with him and shit. And then, you know, that's the guy. So I tapped him when I made a couple songs and shit.

I f***ing a nigga. Right. So I have a nigga out here the same as the GD out there? Like, does everybody, like, should they obey by that shit? Or is to you is that like totally foreign? If somebody in Chicago is saying GDK, does that mean anything to you if you see them around here? I don't know about that gang shit.

All I know is this, man. All I know is this. People just do shit for the internet, you know what I'm saying? I don't know about nothing else. What I know is a dude about it. And if it ain't about music or something, I don't care about, you know what, you know what, you know what I'm saying? People just do shit on the internet drop signs because they see popular rapists like Dirk and

them do it in their videos so they realize they got some kind of shit going on like that in their city. It's some traditional. trend in shit. You don't even be knowing these people they're doing me. You don't know what's really behind what. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people putting themselves in predicaments and then, you know, when the belt come out, everybody's scared of their parents. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I don't feed it in the shit. I just make music, well. So I did want to ask this, what are your, I heard you were influenced by like battle rappers. So you're

influenced by a lot of more like traditional New York rappers. Who do you consider to be your influences from early on? My influences was like, you know, I'm young. So I'm I mean, I'm born 93, so I was influenced by Jay-Z, Beanie Segu, Cassidy, Jada kiss, you feel me? Um, meek, man, even the Philly battle rap culture, like the whole re-dollars, all that kind of energy. Gucci man, I had it when I was young. That's why I get all the cook, oh, I'm strong, all that kind of stuff, you know, and

then I was young, I used to hustle when I was young, so I had dreams of being the biggest drug dealer as a kid because of Gucci big, you know what I'm saying? I know old Gucci, most of his old songs. I can recite that shit like a Quran, you feel me? So were you rapping under the Koga Jigan name at one point or is this just like two names that you kind of had at the same time? Nah, Envy, I got the name Envy. That's my initials, Nouveau Vass was my name, you know what I'm saying?

So my child friend who died, he named me Envy. That's like, you should rap like that. We used to rap together and shit. So I kept the name in Vee Kain or Envy Cocaine when I was young, you and then I just left in Envy Kain when I started rapping traditionally for my mains who died. The kids don't know how cool it was to rap about Coke back in the days. They missed the young Gizi era, the Gucci era, the Rick Ross era.

They don't know. They don't know. It's a different era. It's like the internet and social media and scamming, whatever people went to, it took over. But that kind of rap, that kind of lifestyle was serious. It was like, you know, word. Now people want to talk about scamming, tricking, and beefing. And the whole hustling thing, like, I've had Bronx rappers tell me, like, when they're talking about Brooklyn and be like,

you know, they're more on something like fly get money shit. But like fly get money shit is a diss. They're basically saying like those dudes be really like on some hustling shit. Over here, we're killing each other. And like that to them is actually like a badge of honor. And that is kind of like insanely mind-blowing for me as somebody who's been paying attention to rap for a long time. I know this.

When it comes to New York City, the Bronx is going to always be the mecca hip hop and graffiti. You know, things like that. But Brooklyn is the face of, right now in the summer day is the face. We're the face of everything. Everybody got the traditional signatures shit they did. But like Brooklyn right now, we top dress, top money, original rappers, the loop, the mix up is through Brooklyn. They start from Brooklyn, you know what I'm saying?

If you don't good at that, you're not in the loop, you know what I'm saying? Who's the top rappers from Brooklyn right now? Like who do you feel really has the crown? Do people really talk about that in terms of Brooklyn or should we even talk about like New York as a whole. Because you can talk about the drill writers. You can talk about real mainstream rappers. Like when you think about who's the king of Brooklyn,

who comes to mind? The king of Brooklyn, all, you big and he small, right. But as far as living rappers. Oh, Jay-Z? Okay, yeah. And then, you know, fad.

That's kind of like a totally different generation. Even fab, it's like, that's a fucking other generation as well. But I'm giving you after that, it's like, there's no king, it's the generation, it's renegade after that. The music, like, you know me,

it ain't that no more. Right. It's who you look up to, who influence you. But like them is like the Brooklyn, no, even the main holes and the, yeah. I'm not taking them from them, but I'm saying like for me, Jay-Z, Fab, like the two go-to, I want to hear what they got to see every time I hear them drop. You know what I'm saying to you?

They said it's like the Karan, but Drake is like my biggest influence of music. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't rap like this. What is it about Drake? I don't know, like the writing, the whole, his whole perspective to music, since I've been a fan. I used to watch him when the grassy is a kid, my sister and a little kid. Do you get into, like, do you aspire to be a little bit more introspective, soft? Obviously, a huge percentage of his music is like more R&B whispering at the hotel.

No, I respect all his music, bro. Drake is like, you feel me? When it comes to music, it ain't no freaky, like, Drake is like, you feel me, he's Drake. And, like, he show his pin game, he show, he got hits, he broke records. You feel me? For this generation, it's Jay-Z and then Drake. Them is the gatekeepers for music for my ears. my opinion. I feel like right now we're witnessing how powerful Drake's reign is because he really

does have like the top 10 other rappers in the game kind of coming at him and to me yeah everybody's enjoying it everybody's watching it everybody thinks it's dope that Kendrick's going at Drake but nobody's like taking away from their Drake fandom as a result of it. I think if anything hit that dis he put out was really good and it really showed that this even this is not really that much of a challenge to him. You can't what are you going to say? And then they you know, not to really speak about it, but, you know, he gave these dudes hits and all that. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, he a part of their career as well, you know what I'm saying? So you can't bite the hand that feed you, you know? Yeah. But I'm not saying that as from a Ross or Kendrick, and nobody respective, but I fuck all of them rappers. But I'm just saying from a, this is where hip-hop needs, like competition, like, compete. Like, this is what's missing from hip-hop.

And I was telling you off-camera before we started that, I feel like, like, the mainstream rappers are looking at a lot of the drill rappers and realizing like how powerful it would be for them to harness some of that same energy but up till this point they've mostly kept it music critiquing like where your status is in the game and shit we're just seeing like tiny little signs that this might get more personal yeah because when you think about like drake versus push a tea push a tea went straight to the i'm gonna expose your kid and i'm gonna expose all this other bullshit and that was like his cheap but still dupy still you know what i'm a drag fan bro like you'm saying my pin game

and all this shit. Like I really study as he was going on like Drake is a major part of my career musically. You know what I'm saying? So like I'm watching from all perspective. It may seem biased because I'm telling you how much I'm going to this music. But right is right, wrong is wrong, you know what I'm saying to you? And my son ain't losing no wins out here musically. I mean, he ain't taking no else out here musically, you know what I'm saying to you.

But however, you know, people are going to always try to find a way to tear you down with you that n- that's, it reflects back to my life. Like, you know, you know, people always put room with you know, people always put room on my name. People always talk shit. People, you can't. I'm solid. I ain't never tell. I ain't got nothing for my name. I go to jail. I go put on. I may go through situations, but I stay in tall because I don't sit down when I piss. I'm a stand-up nigga. You get me? Oh yeah. Well, Adam Bricking-in-in. I appreciate it. Hey, so all right, so how do you, now that you're in this position, like, how do you want to,

like, connect with some of the younger generation in order to make music? You're trying to have your shit just stand on its own? Or like, what's the master plan to fully get yourself back to the level that you were kind of at before you got locked up. No, I'm on my way up. Like this shit, are you religious? No. All right, well, most people who are religious, they see my story in the Bible, the Quran, whatever.

I'm there. Like, this is written. You know what I'm trying to go, not trying, I'm going to go above whatever I did before. That's just regular controversy shit. This time is just so talent, elevation. So what I want to do, I want to work with some female rappers, you know what I'm saying, you? I want to work with some young people, you know what I'm saying you?

I want to show people what not to do so they all. make my mistakes too because you know I learned a lot of shit. And plus I want to like, I want to do more like, like go back to the neighbor and go talk to people like at schools or stuff like that too. I want to, you know, just try to even if my word help, that's what matters to me. You know what I'm saying? Bro, I'm just trying to just develop a different kind of method for young people to look at me different and to learn from my mistakes too musically and streetwise.

So musically right now, I'm just focus on myself. I'm trying to do a couple features and shit. I'm working on my tape called Black Rain right now. You feel me? I'm doing features. I got, I just shot three videos. See my mother, drop all the video. I dropped one of them, kill switch out right now on YouTube. See me? Mother, shoot another video.

I'm going to drop four videos. Three of them I shot already. You feel me? I'm going to drop all of them. Just doing features from there. You know what I'm just running around. I got a couple of labels and shit trying to inquire, but like, I f*** for anybody who come and genuine to me. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Anybody who's not trying to take advantage of my pockets or trying to wish me well, I'm with that. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it is. I just keep everything in the hush. We just pay attention. It must be crazy for you, though, to get locked up for that time period. And now New York has mad Instagram pages and podcasts and vloggers and streamers.

And, like, the whole culture of it has kind of like evolved so much. There's so many people trying to make content and trying to put attention on anything that's got any kind of motion coming out of the city. Yeah, word. That shit is crazy. I feel like this is what's needed to, podcasts and shit, give more people opportunity to put entertainment out there. You know what I'm saying? So this shit is really needed. So I was thinking about coming with a podcast song, but not yet.

No, you might be good at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you actually know about rap. You have, like, way more real hip-hop knowledge than the average drill rapper, you know? And, like, not even just, I'm trying to, my whole thing is to break the barrier with this drill rap shit. Like, I want them to see that most of us who make drill music are not just droll rappers. Right. We just adapted to that sound for that time.

You go watch any of these other rappers, too. They got other shit to offer, too. You feel me? to like the new school people but it's like I see when it comes to like because it's generations so my yeah the generation before mine was like Bobby Smurden them you feel me then the mom's generation like us two jujcg's gasoline all this kind of then it's the busy banks and two six oh two six a ys and all of them you feel me then it's the it's the young bros like freshie's general and then my boy mori mori briscoll all of the young

They still keeping it going, bro, head tap from Vin-Vir. Like the young bros is going crazy out there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Milo. A couple of young boys is like still going crazy, but I'm saying like, it's a new generation. So I don't really listen to none of the new generation, but I feel like the nicest ones is like we'll probably be, have to be like busy and a y'all for the, after my generation, like they're the ones who got some kind of essence to their music and, you know what

mean, they're not no frauds in the street. I'm going to be real with you. A lot of the classic New York drill that I go back to is. busy banks. Like he's got a bunch of songs that like, there's only certain rappers I can really listen to some shit from four or five years ago, but he falls into that category for me. He got some real classics. Yeah, he had young people who got a good sound. Yeah.

And I'm speaking because I'm always my n'n't nice, like. Right. Or from anybody on my side is talented. But I'm just being like honest. Like, you feel me? They both got good sounds. But after that, I can't really listen to these anything. They're not relatable.

When you're not standing on what you're saying, but when you don't got, you need three things. A gimmick, credibility, and a coson for me to really be who. who you are as artists. I feel like this is my opinion. That's really interesting. To break it down to those three things? Some people got two. Some people like, for example, look at King Vaughn. King Vaughn is somebody who he don't need a gimmick.

You got street credibility, he got a coson. Dirk, already OTF, so it's not going to be hard for him to grow. It's true credibility. He's from the street, he did something in the street for the street for the street. You know what I'm saying? Right, he has the ultimate thing that was like impossible to replicate unless you really want to go out

and do crazy shit for a very large chunk your life. I'm gonna give it to you. 2G's. Yeah. Street credibility. You go to jail from Rudy, be the murder.

They're gonna believe whatever he said because he's not lying him. You know what I'm saying? Oh, he got a cosine. Codec black.

Right. He got a gimmick, a dance. He's gonna be a big artist for ever, you know what I'm saying? It's like that. So a person like me,

I ain't got no gimmick. I got street credibility. I don't need a cosine. You get a lot. You know what I'm saying to you? Like, you always got to have one or two or three people. You got to have two.

You know what I'm saying to you? So with shit like this going on was like, these artists don't be having it nowadays. They just got a gimmick. A dance. No cosign. And they don't got a real street credibility.

So they're not really gone. But the ones who do like a K-flot, you believe him. You know, he's not lying about something. He breweds it. No, I don't believe he did it. I think he's innocent. I don't think he did it.

They just accusing him with shit because they see him winning. But I'm just saying like, they believe him though. They see he's outside. So if you don't got these things, you're not going to go. That's what these drill artists need to understand. Make good music and have a strategy with your music, not just Joe rappers, but any rappers. Have a strategy

with your music when you want to come up and know what you're doing. Don't just jump out the window because you can mess your career like that too because they want you to crash out. You'd be like, oh shit, yo man, oh, he just shot somebody boy, he'll be on bail for that. Yo, what he has new song. That's what he wants. It's called it. Yeah. You could be a legend real quick for that, but it's not going to be anything good that comes along with it, yeah. Where the biggest artists in this world, the time before or got some kind of flow to them like that.

From not like the biggest artist, like the Drake, I'm saying like the Gucci Man. Right. The Poussai Stee's. Yeah. All these people don't do. Some kind of time has some kind of street floor that they had to learn from in the elevator. But Pousscii is going to have the same challenge that you're kind of on right now where

he is going to, I hear he's doing like five years. He's going to come home at some point and have to like remind people like, go, this is who I am and what I was doing beforehand or whatever. And it's like, obviously he had like giant fucking hits and the hip-hop media will hype him up more. Do you feel like the drill community and the online New York rap community is doing enough to kind of acknowledge that you're back and doing your thing? Or is it kind of like they were paying attention to you when it was a bunch of drama and bullshit, but they're not necessarily going to mention the fact that you're out putting out new music? You know what it is?

I won't say blackball, but I would say like people who the industry agree with from New York, since they feel like we don't agree with them in the street, we get less support. So that actually motivates me and pushes me to you. That's why I got so much video or so much shit to show you can't stop, man. Shit don't never stop. We're going to keep going to keep going, you all right? But boom, at the same time, the support is going to be there organically for me

because it's like I got a core fan base, regardless of what, I'm going to, I'm getting fan letters, like what I'm saying? The best thing about me, I always stay independent. Now I got labels involved. Now I got shit going on now. It was like, all right. But before I was into that, want to show the world I can prove it to myself.

So me being home now, people support me, but it's organic. It's going to be all the people that came up, all the blogs, pages that are, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, that's already there. The credibility I got, like, the street's going to fuck with me, the internet fuck on me. It's time to go to another level now. It's time to go from my man Mel's TV to Dreo, Zag TV, no jumper. You know what I'm saying? Let's go. Big Three!

So you did a Dreo interview years back? Yeah, yeah, I got a Dreo. Shout to her. She's great. She's a legend. Yo, I can't help but want to ask because I noticed that you've been into a little situation where you were locked up. Yeah. Tell these kids why they need to stay out of prison. Prison a dangerous place, you feel me?

Whatever you got going on the street, it eventually catch up to you. This ain't come from nothing that had gone to the streets. This happened to me when I was sleeping in jail. Somebody snuck me in my sleep, but it's not no enemy or no rival. Really? It's somebody from another part of New York that I don't know, the person's none of that, but they're not from where I'm from me. They just did it on some couch.

Oh, this Envy King? I can get in here. Really? So I'm just like no viable shit. Yeah, because people want to connect it to you. They wanted to be an ABG Neil Goon that did it. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Nah, I haven't known. Neil Murphy. He's a guy named Neil Murphy. You think I'm fucking. But now, I'm saying, like, that happened in my sleep of shit. So, like, I could live with that. You know what I'm saying?

You're like, after all the things I did in my life, man, if that's the worst thing. I can live with that, yeah. It don't change nothing for me. You know, the ladies still love me. They probably compliment in my. my image if you ask me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I think that's a good look. It adds like an element of danger. Yeah, Mayno. Meno getting hell of hose. Yeah, Mato. Or you used to at least. I don't know what you're doing now, but... For the show.

All right, anybody you want to thank? Anything we need to know about? Shit you got coming? Yeah, I got a tape coming. Black Rain about to drop. I got a lot of features, a lot of songs, a lot of shit. I'm about to get back on my bullshit. Just to show you guys is my city.

Like, New York City's bag out, the real top-op, MVP, Kaker, I'm back around, you for me? Team logging for every situation, you know? Free Larry Hoover. Facts. That way.

Hey, I appreciate you, man. I'm glad we finally got to connect. I'm a fan of the music. Definitely, I want to keep checking for all the new shit you got going. If you end up in L.A., you got to do any label shit out there. Make sure you let me know. Next month, let me know, man. Let's check in.

You and Poparazzi Poe, we can do a podcast together. I said that old port. No, you do it? No. I have big security in the room. be all right. We're going to frisks him. We'll strip search him.

You'd be good. No? Great. I'm situated everywhere I go. All right. Appreciate you. All right.