No Jumper - Fat Trel on Prison Time, Chief Keef, Falling Out with Master P, Getting Shot & More

Episode Date: January 20, 2023

Fat Trell talks about his rise, career turns, set backs, doing time, Master P, Logic, Rick Ross, CHief Keef and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 2:40 Fat Trel what he witnessed on the street as a kid 4:45 Memories of his father working with NASCAR and when he stopped coming around 7:15 Fat Trel on what influenced him to get involved in the street life and his relationship with his mother 11:00 Moving out of the house at 16, being influenced by his friend's mother whom he was living with 14:50 Trapping as a teenager and talks about the first time he got sh*t by someone he knew 19:48 Starting to write raps while on bed rest and recording his first track at 17 21:30 Fat Trel talks about being exposed to battle rapping, giving his demos to all the local schools, and working with Uptown XO during open mic sessions 24:00 Early days working with Chief Keef in the studio recording “Russian Roulette” and meeting Sosa through his cameraman 29:15 Adam reads old tweets about Fat Trel from 2013 and Fat Trel talks about how rap music brought him places he never could have imagined 34:20 Fat Trel talks about how his lyrics helped him get women and how he had to be careful with the women he kept around 36:00 Fat Trel tells a story about a woman that got him in a standoff with her father 41:00 His girl not wanting him to show his face in public too much 43:00 Fat Trel talks about catching a case after a cop unlawfully searched a car he was in 51:00 Fat Trel tells says he took a charge for a friend over some counterfeit money 58:14 Catching 3 more g_n charges and how he reacts to people telling him he should leave town 1:01:30 Fat Trel reacts to snitching being now accepted 1:07:25 Fat Trel on how prison is holding him back from real-world opportunities 1:09:00 Fat Trel shouts out 03 Greedo on coming home 1:10:32 Fat Trel talks about his group “Louis V Mob” with Master P and moving to LA to be in his movie “Menace II Society” 1:17 45 Fat Trel opens up about his friend committing S and how that made him move back home 1:20:00 How Master P was lying on Trel’s name and getting signed to Maybach Music 1:22:05 Fat Trel explains why he doesn’t regret his mishap involving Master P 1:23:20 Signing a deal with Asylum Records, how he is prepared now more than ever and his relationship with Rick Ross 1:25:50 Fat Trel on Wale’s creative process and the friendship they carry to this day 1:28:10 Making music for the ladies and his influence from the women in his life 1:29:50 Adam tells Fat Trel how he reminds him a lot of Kevin Gates when they talk about women 1:32:00 Making music with Logic and how he feels about Lil Durk 1:35:15 Fat Trel talks about having 70 tracks ready for his full-length album coming soon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today, I'm very, very honored to have Fat Trail in the building. Finally, I've been trying to have you on the podcast for years. I'm very excited. The prison system got in the way, but... That is a fact, huh? Yeah, appreciate you for having me, though, bro. No, no doubt.

It's my pleasure. I did want to, like, kind of start at the beginning and kind of go through your early days, just so we can kind of get all that on record if you're down. Yeah, I'm with it. Cool. So, all right, tell us a little bit about where you were born and what kind of household you were brought up in. I was born in Danville, Virginia, at the hospital in Danville, Virginia. And my mother moved to D.C. in 94.

So I was four years old when she moved to D.C. And the first household I remember was a one-bedroom apartment in the uptown section in the neighborhood called Rock Creek. So we used to live uptown in Rock Creek. And it's like the two main memories that I had from living uptown. on Rock Creek was one I saw set it off as a young child like when it was first release you know what I'm saying that um I cried when Queen Latifah had died in the movie okay and then my mother explained to me like it's a movie it's not real you know what I'm saying so that's the one memory I have and then the second memory I have was the uh now that I'm older I understand

now but the Jamaicans was running the neighborhood and they was beefing real heavy and I guess one up they they had killed one of the Jamaicans and stripped them as naked and put them like on top of the garbage bags outside the trash can like they could have threw them in a trash can but they left the jamaican he was a he was like known around the neighborhood to be generous with money help ladies help females out carry groceries shit like that you know what saying get get women free weed if they didn't have it and they had killed them stripped them ass naked and left them for the whole neighborhood and you saw it just on some regular shit yeah like walking to school my mother then you know we heard the shots at night

And then when my mother got me up to walk me to school in the morning, he was right there. I mean, if a dead body can be out on the street for like eight hours or some shit, that kind of says a lot about how active the police presence is in that area, right? That sounds crazy. But you got to think that was early 90s. Right. You know, D.C. It's still crazy in D.C., but it was crazy back then.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, that was my earliest two memories from Rock Creek. And then after that, living uptown, right after that, back. was outside she moved to northeast to the pinnacles so that kind of freaked her out of me to think the neighborhood might be no good she didn't have a conversation with me I was the youngest of three so I don't I don't recall us having a conversation like yo we're about to move fuck this neighborhood but she moved and she moved to a neighborhood called the pinnacles do you remember struggling

with what you had seen in terms of just seeing that because I have these memories of even just seeing like homeless people sort of like laid out and just like you know damn near dead on the street and just being like really confused by it as a kid. And that's just so much humanity right there in front of your face that's kind of hard to deal with as a child. I don't know if I could use the word struggling with it. I knew that it wasn't normal, you know, but I can't say that I struggle with it.

And I just can't use the word struggle, but I never forgot it. It's still one of the main members. That was my first dead body I ever seen. You know what I'm saying? I was like five, maybe six. So, but I don't, I didn't struggle with it, but I'd never forget it. You know what I'm saying?

And then the neighborhood she moved to was even worse. Really? Yeah, she moved to the northeast, the Pinnacle's, which is where I'm from. That's the hood I've been there since, what, 96. Right. So, you know, that was just dead bodies had become the norm, unfortunately. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, you're making me think about the fact, because I had an uncle that worked in D.C.

and around like 94-95 is when I remember like going to visit him there and being struck by like well I don't think I'd ever been in a place with that many black people in general so I remember going to the movies and seeing dangerous minds with Michelle Pfeiffer and that was the song the movie that was the movie that was the movie that's talking like crazy in the movie theater and just being like oh shit like and even just hearing just dudes in DC talking to each other and talking hella fast and you're you using all this different slang. Like, I just remember being, like, really impressed and shocked by, like, how much energy there was around there. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. It's one of the greatest cities in America, man.

And, um, I love it, man. I love, I love everything about D.C. Definitely. So, okay, your dad wasn't around, I assume, since you're talking about your mom moving and stuff? No, my dad wasn't really, really around. Um, he tried, he tried at one period of my life, but I guess he got too busy and, um, you know, I, went, by the age. where she started communicating with me, like, man, you know,

you want to see you. If you want to go, go. If you don't, I understand. And I was just like, nah, fucking I'm cool. Really? I just didn't ever want to lead her. I used to go when she would make me go. Like, no, you're going with your father this summer

because he would get me in the summers. But when I went down then, I was always with my grandmother. Like, he wasn't never there. You know what I'm saying? So it was technically I wasn't never with him. Was he, like, getting locked up or was running around doing shit? No, no. My father never did time.

He was just, he was in the streets heavy. He was in the streets heavy. I remember my father having a lot of gold, a lot of jury, safes, money around the house, weed around the house. He had, like, four cars. I remember that. And he just got out. Like, somehow, I remember he was going to college to get some type of degree.

And once he started going to college, a person that he met at college had introduced him to NASCAR. And he was always good with my, I remember my father always being good with cars, motors, engines, change the tires, shit like that. You know, he was hands-on with mechanical things. And some dude introduced him to NASCAR. And I think that he saw that as his way to get out the streets. And, yeah, he started working with NASCAR.

He moved to Vegas. And so you've been in more communication with him since? Yeah, I spoke to him, like, I spoke to him probably like, if I had the guess maybe like five, six years ago or something like that. That's like the most unlikely thing that you could have said in terms of how your dad got his life together. It was that NASCAR. Yeah, NASCAR, bro.

NASCAR, bro. I went to a NASCAR race, and a random dude came up to me and started talking to me and used the hard R N-word within like five minutes of me being there. I was like, I'm in a different world. I'm seeing Confederate flat, all this shit. Yeah, that shit is weird. Me and him never really had a conversation about him working for them, though.

Like, I mean, I remember when I was little when he first got into it and he was like, hey, this is who I work for, this is the team, and da-da-da-da-all. He brought me around, but, you know, I wasn't in the car. and racing. I like luxurious cars that drive slow. I like benzis. I don't like the speed.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't nothing that I could relate to. Of course, it was a lot of white people there. I was young. I'm from DC. I'm not used to being around white people. You know, so I just wasn't interested. Have you thought much about just like what the impact might have been

of seeing the safes and the guns and the drugs and everything when you were that young? And then like also not really having that. strong of a relationship with your dad. Do you think that that in some ways influenced you to want to get in the streets or to have a certain idea of what it was to be a man? I don't think what I've seen as a child influenced me to get in the streets

because I was already in the streets. I think I understood where we was living at. I understood what we was going through. You know what I'm saying? And so I knew that my father, everything that I see at my mom house, my father would do it on a bigger scale, even though he in the South.

you know what I'm saying like he just do everything on the biggest scale but seeing the guns and the safes and the money and the weed and shit it didn't really I just knew that he smoked this he sailed at these guns protect us this is all his jewelry he definitely the reason why I like jury and you know what I'm saying like he used to wear like six bracelets up his arm rings on every finger except the thumb so he's in the streets doing well for himself he's actually seeing money Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had money. He had, like, four cars.

He took care of the whole family. My uncle, he was taking care of my uncle, which is his brother. They was doing real good. He used to always drive with his arm all the way out the window. That's some good shit. Yeah, and let his wrist and his ring show. What was your mom like, though? Because I feel like you have such a strong personality that I feel like you have to have got a lot of it from your mom.

My mother is crazy, man. You know what I'm saying? But she raised three boys in the heart of the day. the trenches that's not an easy thing to do um she didn't have a lot of men around the house i remember that you know she stayed strong she went to college she got her degree um she cooked we cleaned the house uh every weekend she listened to anita baker and r kelley and keep sweat very very loud right which is why i love odies you know what i'm saying even though i make music on my on a regular day me chen and i listen to odys i listen to a lot of nita baker a lot of

A lot of things, like now that I'm older, I know that a lot of my ways I get from my mom. Some of the things I saw my dad do, I mimic and try to do it on a bigger scale. But my mother was, she is a strong lady. I appreciate her, man. You know, when I got older, we started disagreeing on a lot of things. But I was the youngest. I always was ready to leave the house. I moved out first.

Out of all three of the kids, I moved out first. At what age? I left at what, 16? Really? Yeah, I left at 16. And was your mom determined to keep you away from all the bad shit that was going on in your neighborhood, or was she just kind of powerless? I think, like, my mom, she didn't want us involved in what was going on outside the building. But she worked so much, and then she got off working with the school.

So she kind of knew, like, you know, I got my type of kids, they're going to be safe before anything. You know what I'm saying? We didn't lose our house keys. We didn't have a lot of company in the house. It was just certain things we knew not to do. We get our ass-wuck, torched. You know what I'm saying? So I think she didn't want us involved in it,

but, you know, D.C., man, it's so rare for you to not get involved in the streets. It's super rare. Every neighborhood has a couple kids that didn't come outside when they did. They left. Wasn't in the hood doing hood or shit. But she knew us. It was just like, you know, it was bound to happen.

For sure. So how do you move out and get your own spot when you're 16? You must have been seeing a significant I didn't get my own spot. What I did was my two closest friends, one who passed away, his name was Boussa. They mother, she was the cool mom

who everybody could come over their house. We could smoke. We could fuck bitches. We could play the game. We didn't have to go to school. That was the house to go to. You know what I'm saying? So when I left,

When I first left the house, my mother put me in Job Corps. I was in Job Corps for about four months. And then after Job Corps, Job Corps had put me out. Excuse me, I can't even remember why they put me out. But they put me out. And then I went back around the way. And I went to Busa House. And I was like, you know, just standing.

I probably had like four outfits, a couple hoodies of coat, some jeans, two-pair shoes, whatever I had. And I just stayed there. And then my mother was like, I heard you got put out. because my mother used to work at job court before I enrolled there so she knew the staff and all that stuff and they told her like

yeah you know your son got put out da da da da da so she called me and was like who you've been at and I was like man I'm around

no fees and she was like um are you coming home I was like you want me to like what you would I'm coming home for

she was like what you mean like where you're staying at I'm like oh I'm staying with Bousa and Aunt Rina Bouser mother name is Rina you know what I'm saying

I'm like I'm staying with Aunt Rina with Busa and she was like nah you need to come home I was like, I don't really see myself coming home, man. Like, it ain't nothing there for me. I don't want to bother you, you know, I don't want nothing from you. And when I get myself right, I'll be able to help you in a little bit.

And that was just it. I didn't have my own spot, though. Right. Even though Aunt Rina was never there, because Aunt Rina was working and going to school too. So that house was, you kind of thought it was our own house. Like, Aunt Rina really came in the sleep, shower, go back to work in school. Yeah, as somebody who came from like a family where everybody was just around all the time, it was always crazy when you had that one friend who just kind of had the rule of the fucking house.

And you're at his crib just thinking like, why the fuck do I not have this kind of, like, I would love this sort of freedom. You have no idea how good you got it. And I didn't want to leave. I didn't want to leave. And, you know, outside of smoking, playing the game and fucking with girls, we had to generate some money. Right. And, you know, Arina was like, you know, Arrini is a little.

the OG in DC too though. You know what I'm saying? Like all the old go-go tapes, all the old go-go tapes from the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s, you can hear them saying, oh man, we got Big Raina in the house. And this was when she was a teenager, she'd been getting money, she just had two boys. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, as she grew, she got her life together, went to school, started working, stuff like that. So everything that she's seen us doing outside of fucking girls trying to make some, I mean, playing the game and shit like that. Once we started making money, she was like, nah, this is what you need to do. You're putting too much weed in that bag. They don't need that much weed.

So she started schooling us and started, you know what I'm saying? Make a show what we was doing was the correct way. So she was just like molding us for the streets and getting us together. You know what I'm saying? That's why women is so powerful. I always respect women, man, because they're powerful. You know, like men. I know they try to say men lead and women follow,

but really like women make the rules of the world. You know what I'm saying? And we just take over them and do our best. We kind of base all of our behavior on what they're going to respond well to, right? Exactly. Right, right, right. Making money, paying the bills, we all do to satisfy the women in our life. Whether it's the mom, aunt, wife, girlfriend, baby mother, whatever.

Right, yeah. No, if you could find a mom who could teach you how to trap, that's pretty rare. Absolutely. Or an aunt. Absolutely. Either way. Yeah, yeah. But she was like a mother, too.

But, yeah, that is very rare. but, you know, she helped me, she helped us become the man who we was today. So, like, during this whole time period before you actually really start rapping and everything, like how deep did you get into the hustling stuff? Was that, like, your main thing during that time period? Just selling drugs and shit? Yeah, that was all I was on. That was all I was on was, was hustling, man.

Like, since, you know, I've been, you know, I've been hustling, like, since the seventh, eighth grade. My mother never knew. My mother didn't find out, I'm going to be honest, my mother didn't find out I was actually selling drugs. until I was 19 after I got shot. And I had the coke on me when I got shot, it was just all over the back of the ambulance. Wow. So I remember the white man, I think I had blacked out

because I remember running. And then when I woke up, I was in the back of the ambulance and you know they got to cut your jeans and shit like that. So I wake up, I'm in the back of the ambulance and they all rushing doing all this shit to my wound. And then I look around and I see the coke on the floor. and I look at the white man and I'm like, do you have to report that?

He was like, I don't see shit, just get it. I was like, all right, bet. So I stopped scooping up all the Coke. And then when I got into my hospital room, my mother walked in the room and was sitting to the left of my bed and there was a dime bag of Coke on the floor. And she was like, what is this?

Nobody had been since she was the first person to get to the room. She was like, what is this? And I was like, man, give me that. And she was like, what are you doing with that? I was like, man, come on, man. And she was like, we selling Coke?

I was like, Mom, come on, man, chill. She was like, that why you got shot? I was like, man, chill. So you getting shot in that situation was just you were supposed to sell somebody some Coke? No, no, no, no. The reason why I got shot was somebody asked me for a front.

Like, they wanted me to front him something. And he had just came home. He was a good nigger. I thought he was a good nigga. And, um, I, let me take you back. Early I came around the way, drunk, belligerent. This, you know, I'm 18, 19 years old. And this is when you learn lessons about stunting and perpting on people.

So I'm outside and everybody talking about the money they're getting and da-da-da. And I had on the, this was 09. I had on the big pink NBA jacket with all the NBA patches on it. And that shit was like a thousand dollars. You know, we didn't, you know, you know, niggas weren't really getting money right in and then. So I had like the big pink NBA jacket on with all the NBA jacket on with all the NBA. V8 patches on it and I was just bragging about how much coke I had been selling. You know what I'm saying?

Because I had another spot and another hood called Search and Quarters and I'm from East Street. But search some quarters like 10 minutes up the street and our hoods get along together real well. So niggas was like, man, you ain't been around here. What's up? I'm like, no, I got a spot up the quarters. That shit boomer y'all ain't on nothing. I'm getting too much money. You know what I'm saying?

Like y'all, y'all have had this shit down here. I don't need to come down here. And I shouldn't have did that. You know what I'm saying? So before I was about to leave, I was about to leave. go back to the spot my little man was like hey um man let me hold something I need like you know I'm fucked up I'm trying pop-b-b-b-pap I'm like I bet let me go around the corner go get it he was like you just said you had it I'm like nah let me go around the corner which I did have it but my

instinct's like I'm not going to whip out all my coke right here you know what I'm saying so I'm like let me go around what you need you let me know what you know what you know I'm like let me go around the corner go get it and when I went to go get it I came back and gave him what he wanted and then he pulled it out and was like man give me all that shit I was like no I didn't and this is some of you are genuinely cool with he just like realized you had the money and just went for it yeah that's crazy and you got hit how many times and how bad were injuries that time I got hit once that time I got here once right he shot like like four or five times he only hit me once in the back of my leg that's an important lesson

once you start really having something yeah I mean it but it's a constant toss up because you want to dress nice you want to have a nice car but at the same time you can't just be going around people that have nothing the same way when you're having it ragged out what I had and all that yeah I remember Grito told me that one time it was like I pulled out a fucking half a pint of lean or some shit in front of like a bunch of his homies and he told me afterwards he's like hey my homies is cool and they're not going to do nothing to you because of me but like in general I wouldn't do that like don't be pulling out like a hundred zans or like lean in front of people because he's like you don't understand how

crazy their brain goes when they see that They might really forget about the fact that they fuck with you. Right, exactly. And I was like, okay, that's a good lesson. Absolutely, yeah. You know, some people, some people that's willing to risk their life for,

when you think about it, nothing. You know what I'm saying? Versus if you fuck with me, we can get eight paints to this shit, you know what I'm saying? But the fact that you try to rob me for a half a pain is just, you fucked up the whole move.

So it is what it is. How long were in the hospital and how did that change things for you? I wasn't in the hospital long. I believe, if I can remember probably like three, four days or something like that. I was right back out. I had, when I was on bed rest, I had wrote a song.

That's when I started writing heavy because I was in the house heavy. So you've been fucking around rapping before that, but not real serious? I always wrote, I always went on, I always went on the computer. My arena had a computer, and I always went on the computer and played instrumentals, and I would type my raps on her computer and then print them out. You know what I'm saying? And I remember, I remember having a conversation with her when she was like, man, you need to start buying some paper for this printer

because you're using a lot of my paper. I'm like, all right, bet. I started buying paper for the printer. But I would write my wraps out and print them out, walk around the hood and just spit my wraps for my friends and shit like that. But I had never recorded at that time. And then I met this dude, and he was like, man,

he heard me rap. He was like, man, I don't even rap. I make beats, but I can spit a rap that's better than any rap you ever wrote right now. I was like, go ahead, spit it. He spitted it. And it was cool. I spent another rap, so now we're going back and forth.

And then he was like, hey, what apartment are you staying? You stay in, I'm like, I stay in two. I believe I stayed in 202 or something like that. And he was like, I'm going to take you to the studio. I thought he was bluffing. You know what I'm saying? I remember seeing him. He always came home and suits and shit, like with a tie.

So I ain't know what he did, but I know he drove with 300 Z. He always had girls and he always dressed in a suit, but he smoked weed. But I never knew what he did. And then one day, he was like, man, I'm going to take you to the studio. I thought he was lying. And then he knocked on to my daughter next day. It was like, come on, I'm taking you to the studio. That was my first time recorded.

Right. And so were you just a natural once you got in there? Yeah, I mean, I've been rapping for a long time, bro. Like, we used to sit outside and just rap. And, you know, when I go with my father during the summers and shit, you know, down in the South, they was doing battle raps was a big thing down there. And so, you know, you were just not freestyle. you would go home write some shit and then y'all just come out and spit y'all shit you know what I'm saying so I had been I wasn't afraid of the mic like I wasn't it's not like I didn't know what to do when I first started recording I was just recording I was I wrote my own hooks I counted my bars um and it was kind of like yeah I was natural when I first started yeah right and so you just start releasing stuff right away or how long it take before you got a buzz going no um and what year was that when you first recorded when I first recorded that was probably that was probably a like 07, I probably was like 17 when I first started recording.

So you're grinding for a while before we found out about you outside of your area, huh? I was recording and I made like a three-track demo with three songs on it. I pressed up probably like 300 CDs and I just go to all the high schools and all the colleges and pass out my little demo and shit and just give them to people. You know what I'm saying? Just hand it out like, yo, this is my music, listen to it. And I started doing open mics. And then when I started doing open mics,

that's when shit started picking up because I was meeting other rappers and DJs. And some women are being there just to sit at the bar and have a drink. And they'll turn around and I'd be rapping. And they were like, oh, shit. And then people started approaching me. And then that's when they was like,

man, you got to make a Facebook. So I made a Facebook. And it was like, oh, you need Twitter too. I made a Twitter. You know what I'm saying? And it just happened like that. Like, from scratch. Because when we think about like your music

like on average, I would have always kind of described you as like a gangster rapper, but was there like a significant scene in D.C. that had that kind of open mic type vibe where you could just sort of, like more of like a real hip-hop collective type scene? Yeah, like when I first started rapping, the open mic that was the only open mic that was supporting D.C. rap was this club called Club Pure. And I remember the first rapper I met like who was big in D.C. before I met Waleh was his dude named Uptown XO. You know what I'm saying? Uptown XO still rap to this day.

Uptown X-O was like a hip-hop. I don't want to call it Backpack because I don't like that word, but he was more like a hip-hop, woke type of rapper, you know what I'm saying? But he's from uptown, like, he really from the streets, but he don't talk about gang-banging and killing and drug dealing, like, he talks about uplifting the women of the community and getting guys out the streets and getting them into sports or making them, you know, he was just that type of nigger.

A bunch of positive shit that nobody's trying to hear. Yeah, nobody was trying to hear. Yeah. that nobody was shining here. Because that's just such a classic thing is like popping gangster rappers who come from a scene like that, but then at a certain point they realize

they got to kind of change up what they talk about in order to get the streets or whatever to fuck with them. Exactly. And uptown XO, like I said, outside of Waleigh, he was one of the biggest rappers in D.C.

And then when I came in the open mic scene and I was spitting the shit that I was spitting, I started gaining fans quickly. And like, he was seeing that. And we did a lot of music together too. me and ex-o and um he started seeing that he was like damn like my man you're about to take off bro like i could tell about the energy and i was still kind of low-key doubting myself like it's no

way that the industry would allow a nigger like me in it because you know i didn't think that rappers in the industry really came from the trenches and like come from the hood it just didn't dawn on me that they did right and i mean this is like a time period i remember how shocked i was when i first found out about Sosa because it was just like you mean that this dude could just blow up because of like the local people in Chicago and that he doesn't have any industry support that was like very new at that time yeah yeah exactly yeah we had all started i remember we was young as shit man shout out to Sosa too man that's my nigger and um I remember we was we was drunk as shit high as fuck in the studio and everybody was running around everybody got bitches in this room

that room that room and then me and Sosa wound up sitting beside each other and we was going through beats on the computer. And he was like, um, he was like, man, you really think we're gonna get rich all this shit, bro?

Like, you really think like we could, like, I could move from Chicago, like, with music. And I was like, yeah,

I feel like. What year is this? I feel like it's possible, man, this had to be like maybe 10. Oh, wow. So this is like before you pop too.

Yeah, yeah, you felt the energy you thought that he had, he had it? It was just like, it was just like a, a come-to moment, like,

like we should really do this. Like we should really say, fuck beefing, fuck the streets, fuck trying to kill niggas. We should really just wrap our ass off until we get like millions and millions of dollars. You know what I'm saying?

It was like a conversation there. Wow. I was like, yeah, I agree. Right. How did you even tap in with him though? Because 2010 he's not even popping yet, right?

You know what was weird? My homie here, Blackstar, this nigga been in my corner my whole career. Like he shot my first video. Back when I ain't even had videos, Blackstar shot my first video.

And he told me he shot video. It's funny because this story funny. He told me he shot videos. He added me on Twitter. No, I was on Twitter one day, and I was like, man, I want to shoot a video. And he added me back and was like, I'll shoot it for free. And I was like, all right, you shoot videos? He was like, hell yeah, I shoot videos.

I was like, all right. So it ain't darn on me to ask him, show me some videos you shot. You know what I'm saying? So he just straight shot the video for me. You know what I'm saying? They come to find out later on. The only video he ever shot was he had somebody film his football highlights when he was in school, and then he filmed like a wedding. He never shot a rap video a day before in his life.

And so one day, I don't know how he got connected with Sosa. I remember Sosa had just got out that back from the dead had dropped, and he was on house arrest. I remember around the same time I met him, that was when, like, Walker had went to go visit him or something. You know what I'm saying? He was like, hey, I got Chief Keefe on FaceTime. I'm like, you fuck with you. I'm like, bet, let me talk to him. So he gave me the drain.

And we just talking. He was like, yeah, man, when I get off house arrest, man, we got to do some shit. I'm like, bet. I'm like, shit. Send me some shit now, though. Let's get it started now. Send me some shit.

I'm going to send you some shit. And we sent each other some records and all that. I think I had sent him like fuck the feds or something like that. That's when we did fuck the feds. And then when he got off house arrest, somebody in D.C. had booked him immediately. And then when he came down, He drove to D.C.

He didn't fly. He drove him and all his homies. They drove down in the deepest shit. And then that's when we did Russian roulette. I feel like that honestly is like one of the best Chief Keefe songs, period. Which one? Russian roulette. Oh, for real?

Yeah, I'll put it up there. I feel like it never got the attention to deserves. It ain't on streaming services, right? I don't even think it's on streaming services, though. Because I went to look at your Apple Music today and it wasn't there. We should look into getting that on streaming service. There's got to be a sample that's not cleared or some shit, right? Nah, I don't think it's a sample in that beat.

I remember who. But who made that, Lex? Lex Lugar made Rush with that right? I don't think it's a sample in that beat. Damn, why they ain't on stream this? I'm sure that's how I found out about you back in the day. I remember seeing that fucking video and just going crazy. Like, this is one of the hardest sons I ever heard.

I was surprised he got like, I think he got like 12 or 13 million views or something. I was so shocked that he did that. Right. To the point where I asked my manager, are you buying views? You're not buying views. He was like, fuck, no, I wouldn't buy a fucking view. That shit ain't authentic. I was like, all right.

In the back of my mind, I'm like, man, this nigga made up boss on views, man. You know what I'm saying, but that shit, it did what it did. You ready for my 2013 tweets about you? 2013? 2013. Yeah, I'm ready. August 15th, 2013, I tweeted out, I commented this girl's name on Fat Trails Instagram

because the photo was funny and he immediately followed her. Like, I don't know what I was talking about. She must have been bad, bro, because, you know, 2013, I was on it. Like, I was on my fame and shit. You commented a girl. I probably looked at her page. That bitch was bad. I followed her, especially if I think in my mind I could possibly link up with her.

This is a really good one. The 4-17-12, so January for April 17th, 2012, ASAP Yams tweeted out, somebody tell Fat Trial ASAP is looking for him. And I just quote tweeted and wrote, yes. For real? That's crazy. I don't even know nothing about that tweet. Asap Yams, man.

He was fucking looking for you in 2012? Like, I mean, I'm sure it got on your radar at the time because Rock was already out and everything. Yeah, it probably did, because we linked up with ASAP heavy, man. Shout out to ASAP, man. And damn, man, rest of peace and hands, man. Yeah.

Like, that's wild. Nah, I didn't know nothing about that tweet, bro. So you retweeted and put yes. Yeah. Yeah, no, that was definitely a for sure, like, official culture link. Like, because I had a lot of Dillon's in New York. And when Rocky dropped, I was like, damn, like, who the fuck is these young niggas? I need to get up with these niggas.

You know what I'm saying? And when we first linked, it was just genuine and so authentic, like, the world. loved it. Yeah, because that was a time period where you had, you know, ASAP, you had somebody like, you know, Action Bronson or a Chief Kee for you, where you just had people from all over the country who were doing something interesting and they could get a fan base online without a record label necessarily needing to be in their corner, which was kind of new at that time, you know? Ain't rare. The other one, I don't even know what this is, but it was a link to a vine, but all the vines are gone now, so you can't even see what it was. But I just wrote, Fat Trell equals Best Human. So whatever was on that vine must have been dope as fuck, but I have no idea. So let me ask you something. I was a real fan.

Look at that. What, what, what motivated you to tweet that? Like, what? Before I was interviewing rappers, I just, especially during that era of my life, I was just like a real deal, like, rap nerd. Like, you know, me and my friends would just talk about rappers, like, you see this kid who's got, like, you know, 40,000 plays on this one song.

Like, kind of the same way I am now, except I was doing it for no reason. at that time and I was just like genuinely so excited about hip hop in general and when you think about it that's only like two years before I started no jumper and actually man it's to start to get rappers to sit down with me that's only like two or three years away from me interviewing xxxentatian which is basically the thing that just blew the fucking roof off me doing interviews so I don't know like when I think about that time period I was real like I kind of knew that I was gonna start something so I was just like so deep in rap at that time I don't know that's a very exciting time in hip-hop yeah not nice I would actually pay to see what that vine was with that tweet. I know. I must have something so funny. That's human. Yeah, I always knew I was a great guy, man.

I always knew, like, people, the shit that I posted, like, you know, the females in my life hated it, of course. You know what I'm saying? But I kept telling them, like, this is the shit that hood niggas want to see. You know what I'm saying? I post shit that hood niggas want to see. Like, because before rap, I never ever thought I would leave D.C. ever. You know what I'm saying? I thought I was going to die early at a young age.

I never thought I would be able to travel to Miami. I never thought I would feel Los Angeles air, smoke California weed, eat Chicago food. I never thought I'd go to New Orleans. I never thought that I would do it. So once rap started allowing me to travel different places, the things that I would post would always be trenches. I always wanted to go to different hoods like that I see on TV, First 48,

Cleveland, Miami, Detroit, all these places I used to see on First 48, I wanted to go there, shoot videos, and just, like, fill the area, eat, maybe have sex with a pretty woman from the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? So I think, like, when early, when I was posting shit on Instagram,

I always showed me having fun, drinking, lane, partying, and just, I always post my women. Whoever I was dealing with at that moment, if I had a pretty bitch in the bed, if she was in the shower, I always posted that because I know what hood niggas want to see.

They want to see niggas make it out the trenches, just get some money and have sex with beautiful women. I used to do a lot of that, the post and random girls that I was around and stuff. But then as I got older and older, I realized that it's like the more you advertise the fact that you got girls makes it a little bit harder

for certain girls to look in a certain way. But I also feel like once you get to a certain level of success, it kind of doesn't matter. You advertising that you have girls makes girls want you more. I agree. So here's why I agree with that. Because success, when you're successful and you got money,

that shit don't matter. And there are some women in the world who say, oh, I ain't fucking with you just because you, Adam. Like, I don't get to fuck about your staff or how much money you're making yearly. Fuck that. That's true. You know what I'm saying?

But at the same time, the more and more I posted women, because in my rap, I would say, a fat and ugly motherfucker. My new bitch, say, boo, you's a dirty motherfucker. These is all things that's true. I'm rapping about what people, what girls used to say to me when I was coming up.

Oh, you dirty as shit. Boy, you had on them jeans for five days. Boy, you dirty as shit. And that was true. So I put it in my raps. So when I start sleeping with all these women all across the world and I would post it, it really made more women want to deal with me. Like, why the fuck do y'all fuck with this nigga?

Like, you know what I'm saying? He can't dress. I don't get to fuck. How much money you got? He can't dress for shit, which I never was in the fashion. I never cared about dressing. You know what I'm saying? Did you ever get burnt by being a little too open to just like sleeping with a random

female you just met? What you mean burnt? Like the SCD? No, not necessarily. More like her. you know somebody robbing you somebody getting the drop on you something bad happening from you know because if you're just going over a lot of different business houses you're sort of like opening yourself up to like a lot of different threats that you wouldn't necessarily have otherwise right thank god right

i thank god i want to knock on some wood i don't see no wood around the wall's good enough thank god yeah the wall's good enough thank god nothing like that ever um it happened to me you know what i'm saying and i used to always tell my friends because my my niggas would be like man be careful too like that And I used to always tell my men like, I would never pick a bitch who I would assume would get me robbed or set me up to get me killed by one of my eyes or something. I used to always think in my head, like, I'm too smart to pick a bitch like that.

You know what I'm saying? That has never, ever happened to me. The only thing where a gun got pulled out on me before was this. It's a funny-ass story. This girl used to always tweet me on Twitter, right? Boom. So she cute, you know what I'm saying? all that. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna try her one day. So one day, I think I had like a day where I didn't have nothing scheduled. So I'm like, I'm gonna try this bitch. So I DM'd on Twitter and she was like, oh my god, da-da-da-da. She sent me her address. So it's like one in the morning, right? I don't think nothing of it. Because some girls could have company, some, you know, I didn't ask like who she, no, I did ask who she stayed with her. She was like, I live with my mother and my father. Like, but it's good. Like, come through. I'm like, I bet. So I'm assuming like, you know, I bet. I'm assuming like, you know, I didn't ask. Like, like,

Like, her parents allow her to have company, right? So, boom. She was like, don't knock on the door. Just let me know when you were outside. I'm like, all, okay, cool. So boom. I call her, boom. She opened the door.

We walk in the front door. The whole house is dark. Every light off is, every light in the house is dark. So boom, I whipped my gun out. Like, what the fuck? She's like, here. She grabbed my hand. So she's like, be quiet.

I'm like, oh, she means be quiet. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, whatever, I got my gun out. She don't even know I got my gun out. So I'm like, whatever. I'm gonna shoot this bitch if anything happened if anybody jump out so the dog start barking loud as shit the dog barking boom she's like she trying to tell the dog be quiet she'd be quiet so we're walking up the steps and shit the steps loud when

the house is quiet everything is loud you know what I'm saying so we're walking up the steps the older the house the louder it is exactly so we're walking up the steps we get in the bedroom boom she cut the lights on and she see my gun she's like what the fuck I'm like none it's just just how you know it was dark you know And she was like, I bet. So boom. So probably like 10 minutes. I take my coat off and shit, you know what I'm saying?

Ten minutes, I hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom at her door. You know what I'm saying? Leah, Leah, Leah, I know the fuck you ain't got somebody in my house. I'm like, oh shit, what the fuck? I don't say it was cool. She was like, no, my dad, he just be tripping. So boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, time to bang on the door. So, boom, he kicked the door open.

He got a long-ass rifle in his hand, bro. It's not even a shotgun. like a long-ass rifle. He's like, man, get the fuck out my motherfucking house. You know what she told her father? What? She'd be like, but dad, he's a rapper.

Right in front of you? I swear to God, bro. I swear to God, I could, you can't make this shit up. But you didn't have your gun in your hand when he busted through the door? Because I was thinking that could be a fucking problem because he might just blow you down

and beat it. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Nah, I didn't have it because I told you he had settled down. I took my coat off. Oh, my God. She cut the teeth. TV on, you know what I'm saying, lit a candle.

You feel, we closed the blind. So we had like 10 minutes, but we didn't get into the, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then he boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. She's like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm like, what the fuck? What's going on? She's like, my father, man, he'd be tripping. I'm like, I thought you said it was a right. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that was the only situation where a gun got pulled out on me, but I don't think he poured it out on me, period. I think he was just trying to scare whoever his daughter had in the house. Right. I was like, look, man, I'll go, bro.

Like, it ain't, you know, it ain't nothing like, it ain't nothing like that. I'll go. I apologize to him all that. I ain't know. She said she could have company. I ain't know I'm gone, bro. That's it. Yeah.

Knowing what I know now, I just don't think I could go over to a chick's house, like, in the same way that I used to. Maybe if she lives in a nice area, she got some money and shit. It's all about the area and, like, who you're going to go visit. If it seems like this might be your parents' house, that's definitely going to be a no for me. Yeah, yeah. Really? You wouldn't go visit a bitch

She lived with her parents Well you know what I think of is And I saw that you did a song with him recently But do you remember when Chris Brown Had that thing where he like It was just like a photo of him at a chick's house Like just sleeping on some girl's mattress In like her garage or some shit

And this girl just really got a photo of Chris Brown Just like chilling on her fucking match This is way back in the day I don't recall this at all And they had like a photo of him At an award show like the day before we're in the same jacket So it was like That to me just made me realize like

oh, if you're a person of status, you cannot be just, like, going into the trenches to kick it with these random chicks because they have no fucking manners. They're going to air your ass out. Like, I don't know. When I think about it now, but then the other option is kind of shitty too,

which is, like, have all these chicks come directly to your house where they can go tell their brothers about where you live and shit like that, you know? Yeah, yeah. No, so it's a toss-up. It's in the air, man. But every time I get postmates, I lock eyes with the person and I realize

that's another person who knows where I live that's why I'm so happy when it's like a 45 year old Indian guy and I'm like you don't know where the fuck I am that's great yeah see when I do postmates

like we don't even have our address inside the postmates joint so when they pull up they be lost and looking and then I might send somebody out the house like two minutes before arrive anyway like go meet them go meet them boom

I used to do that shit more before I had kids now I feel kind of guilty sending my girl out to get the postmates see my you know what man my wife like she she real good but like she don't even want me out

she don't want me outside the house she don't want me in cars with no tents she don't want me at the grocery store she don't want me nowhere

like and I love that you know what I'm saying she don't even want me to pump the gas man like this she's like man I just I pray on nothing

to happen to you and I know that like right now it's a time where people think it's cool to rob or kill or do something

to a rapper you know what I'm saying like everybody is on exposing rappers right now. And so, you know, she's real good, but like, nah, like, hey, son, go get that, go get the food, go outside, meet this person, go to that. Like, she's real big on that. She don't want me to do nothing, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, versus me, I always grew up all my life. Like, you know, I never really cared about being a rapper because of where I'm from. So I used to just go places. Like, I stop at any gas station to pump my gas. I got my gun on me,

niggas. I always had in my mind, like, who the fuck going to play with me? Like, who want to be in D.C. and say, Yeah, man, I killed Fat Trail. I just, I don't, I'm, I'm from my city. I wrap my city so hard. I just don't believe it's a nigger who's willing to say, yeah, I did that. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. And that mentality will take you far up until the exact moment where somebody tries some shit.

And then you're like, oh, so I really am that kind of person now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. And anybody can be touching. Something can happen to anybody. You know what I'm saying? But I just try to keep that shit, that postmate shit and all that shit at a minimum, man. I'm heavy on grocery shopping and I'm heavy on putting my wife in the kitchen, man.

Yeah, definitely. It's crazy because when you're young, the idea of like being outside sounds so cool and as you get older and you have something to lose and especially you haven't been, you know, sent off to prison for so many times, it's like being outside is just introducing yourself to risk. When you're in the crib, you're mostly safe.

You mostly have nothing to worry about it. And like mitigating that risk is like one of the best things you could do for your self-preservation on earth, you know? Exactly. And I had a conversation with myself when I was in the cell And I used to always think I tell my wife all the time I'm telling you, boo, I got the worst luck in the world

She used to say, stop saying that Like, I don't like when you say that, stop saying that And I said, man, you know, why am I always getting poured over? You know, I obey the law, use my blinklers. You know what I'm saying? I don't like speeding so I don't speed. Why am I always getting poured over? And I was in my cell like, you know what?

You drive too much. Like maybe you just out too much. Like you always, your car always in traffic, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know these, I know police officers have conversation, side conversations like, yo, you see that trail? Back when I had my S-550,

like I was the first nigger from my hood with a $100,000 car. You know what I'm saying? And I got my S-550. I tinted it up. It was real beautiful. I ain't put no rims on it. Kept it classy. You know what I'm saying? Because I like luxurious cars. And I kept getting pulled over all the fucking time.

And then all the, you know, All the police in my city knew I never had a license. And then there was this one officer. I forgot his name, man. My little brother probably could tell me his name if I hit him. He told me, he said, you know what, Terrell? I don't want to see you driving no more. I don't go with fuck.

Fuck that. I'm tired of seeing you drive. I'm like, you just searched my car. I ain't got shit in here. You know what's wrong? Like, you know who I am? You know I got to go back and forth to the studio. He's like, fuck that.

I don't want to see you driving no more. And then, like, from that point on, he had just kept pulling me over and kept pulling me over. It was ridiculous, man. Yeah, like on some on dicks type shit. Yeah, like I cracked open a few issues of the source from like 96 or 97 at one point trying to find this one particular article. And I kept skimming by the news section. And it's like even back then, the news, it was like every single issue of the source, every month.

This rapper got arrested because he got pulled over and the officer smelled weed and then they searched him and they found a gun. And like they would have this like every month. This would just be happening over and over and over. And I'm like, this is the same reason why a lot of rappers are getting locked up to this day. Gee, Herbo gets pulled over in Chicago. Boom. They smell weed. They find a bunch of guns.

It's just like the most predictable thing. And when you really look at it outside of, you know, from like an outsider perspective, it's like that's like, that's one of the most basic things that if you want to stay out of trouble, you got to avoid is you can't be driving around with your car stanking like weed. Even though, I mean, I live in California where it's not that big a deal, but, you know, especially back then. And even in the rest of the country, I'm sure it's more serious. And then especially if they're going to search the car and find a gun, it's just like an untenable situation. But sometimes, a lot of the times, bro, it wasn't even weed smoking the air, though, bro. That's the crazy part. You're sitting in the house that smells like weed all day.

It's not even that. Oh, really? I smell weed is the number one reason. That's all they have to say for it. Man, I want to search. Like, I smell weed. It cannot be no marijuana in the car, bro. It cannot be.

I remember the gun charge I just did three years for, right? It was no weed in the car. Like, I didn't smoke weed. I was dealing with a bra who was a lieutenant at D.C. jail at the time. She didn't smoke weed. She didn't allow me to smoke in her car. I don't even deal with bitches that don't let me smoke in the car because I smoke Newport's.

And I be thinking I need to smoke. You know what I'm saying? I fuck with this bitch, though. She didn't even allow me to smoke in her car. So I know for a fact it wasn't a smoke smell in the car. And the dude was like, yeah, man, you guys been smoking? I'm like, no, I haven't been smoking. I'm on urines and all that.

nigga, we ain't been smoking. You don't smell no marijuana? I smell marijuana. That's just what they say. You know what I'm saying? So all that... And it's not like they would ever have to prove it. And it would be impossible to prove it.

Yeah, exactly. Like, and those, they probable cause the search be bullshit, man. They just want to search nine times out of ten. A black man with a beautiful woman, he's probably going to be protecting himself. He's probably going to have a gun in this car. And y'all, they know that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know.

Shit is so gross when it happens out in public. Look, I don't even know if you know him or anything, but Lil TJ, like, he got almost killed a couple months ago. And then, you know, miraculously makes a comeback. He looks pretty fucking normal. I'm totally happy for him. And then he gets caught with a gun out of video shoot like a couple days ago. And it's like, I mean, I know that the law is the law and they're going to enforce it however they enforce it. But damn, that shit is brutal because it's just a one way or another.

Like, imagine if this dude who just got shot all these times now has to go sit down for a few years for gun possession? Like, it's insane. Yeah, man. You know, a lot of times people say things like, oh, well, you know, you got the means to pay for security. Why don't you? Why don't you? And I'm not judging.

I'm not going to speak on a little T.J. Situation. My prayers go out to him and his family, too. I hope that shit get dropped, man. He don't deserve to be in jail. Great artists. Him getting shot was unfortunate. You know what I'm saying?

I salute real niggas. You know what I'm saying? So I salute Lord T.J. Sometimes security can't go with you 24 hours a day, bro. It's like impossible. You know what I'm saying? Think about it. Securities have wives and children, too.

You know what I'm saying? Like a motherfucker be with me 72 hours, three days. You know what I'm saying? I have my security with me 72 hours, bro. Then I go home and my cigarette pack is empty. You think I'm out to call my security to go to 7-Eleven down the street to go get a pack of cigarettes and come back in the house. I'm not going to do that.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to pull them away from his family and his kids just to escort me to 7-Eleven right now. You know what I'm saying? So I say that to say, your security can't be with you. Everywhere, you know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to speak on a little TJ situation because I don't know. Right.

I just seen on Instagram. I seen him walking him to the car and he locked up for a gun allegedly. You know what I'm saying? And that's unfortunate, man. He got to protect his self. Is there part of you, though, that when you have security, you kind of feel like, I don't know if he's really down to do what I need him to do if shit goes down the way that it might go down. Yo, it's crazy that you asked me that, right?

No, I don't feel that way about my security. because I know what my security going to do. You know what I'm saying? I know what my security going to do. My security, I know what they're going to do. When I first started rapping, you know, I'm going to be honest. I ain't never have security until I caught all these gun charges, bro, to be honest. I'm with 10 niggas, eight got guns.

You know what I'm saying? All the time. You know, that's just how we moved around. You know what I'm saying? So on the days, like before I caught all them gun charges, When we used to hire random security, like fly to New York, and yo, let's get two guards.

Fly to Cali, let's get two guards. Them the niggas, who I was like, man, I don't know. Them and they pull up, I'm like, oh, man, this thing ain't. You know what I'm saying? Fuck it, whatever. Hopefully, niggas see the security and they don't try.

But in the back of my mind, no. But my security from home, like my home-based security, now I don't think that I know what they're going to do. But I definitely understand what you're saying because when I flew into all these random cities, man, that nigger don't know me. he's getting a paycheck to secure me until I fly back out.

Why would he super, super risk his life? You know what I'm saying? If I'm a security guard, like, if I had just been born two feet taller and 100 pounds heavier, and I'm your security, like, I'll be real, like, it's a job, end of the day. And if I see you being riddled with bullets by some guy, am I really going to dive on top of you? Like, it's just, it seems kind of crazy. I'm really trying to make it to the next day so I can see my kids. Like, I'm not really, like, come on.

Like, security guards are just regular people, unless they have this crazy-ass hero. complex in their head where they have to be. Ex-military Ranger types. I assume some of them do have that, or at least more of that than I have, where if somebody to shoot somebody in front of me, I'm realistically probably going to start running, you know? But I don't know.

Hey, Adam, man, I love you, man. You're funny as fuck, bro. Yeah, but it's a big risk with security, man, and you're right. That's why you got to make sure you had the right security around you, man. So, you know, but thank God for security, man. No more guns for Fat Trail.

I know my POs and shit, watch everything that I do. Follow me on Instagram, so security is everywhere I go. All right. So you, I mean, in terms of your recent legal history, you had that situation where you got caught up. It was a counterfeit money thing, right? Yeah, okay. So the counterfeit money thing was like 2014, 15. I don't remember the year.

Right. So we had just left a dice game. It's crazy because I, well, I ain't really teach you about the geographical side of D.C. We went uptown to this hood. We, around this hood, we're shooting dice heavy. Big dice game, you know what I'm saying? So everybody's shooting dice. Two niggers from that hood get into an argument.

They both pull out guns on each other. So boom, we put our guns out like, oh, my man from around there like, no, I trail this ain't got nothing to do with you. I'm like, I know. So, look, we're just going to leave because I don't want to be on a scene of a murder. I'm pretty sure it's cameras around here. I know we all on camera shooting dice. They got a question that everybody who was there regardless.

You can lawyer up, whatever you want to do. But I just don't want to be a part of that. So before they actually shoot each other, I'm going to leave. So we left the dice game. Boom. I don't remember whether we was losing or winning. We left the dice game. We had some girls with us.

And my man was like, man, he was like, man, I'm trying to go gamble, man. Like, I need my money back. You know what I'm like? I bet. So we went to the casino. We go to the casino. My homie, I ain't going to say his name. He had just got out.

He on parole. You know what I'm saying? So we go to the casino and shit. So boom, I don't, all my friends will tell you, I don't gamble, like, with casinos. I gamble niggas, you know what I'm saying? But I never gamble a billion-dollar industry. I just won't do it.

And I see people win all the time, but I don't think I got that type of luck. So anyway, we go to the casino. I'm having some drinks. My man gambling. Boom. So he gets the people to money or whatever, and then the people come out,

and then they ask like, yo, what's going on? So I'm like, what the fuck happened? You know what I'm saying? They like, we have $400 in counterfeit money. I'm like, okay, that's mine. So they're like, no. He gave it to the person. We could show you.

I'm like, it's mine, though. He got it from me. It's mine. They was like, so the security like, all right, we know it's not yours, though. You know what I'm saying? But whatever. If this is what you want to do, fine. But we have him on camera pulling his money out of his pocket

and giving it to this lady. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, look, fuck all that. That's my shit. I gave it to him outside in the car, whatever, that's my money. I take that. I apologize.

And I really was like, you know, I tried to get over on you. I apologize. Just so, you know, if you catch a new charge, you get barred out, but the parole board going to put a warrant out on you immediately.

You still got to go over to jail and you might not see the parole board for one or two months. Then if you cop to this, you caught a new charge on parole. You're going to have to do the time for that, and the parole going to give you a violation. time too. So let's say you get

12 months for the counterfeit money. Of 12 months, you do 10. On his eighth month, parole will say, yeah, boom, here go this paperwork, sign this, we're giving you 24 months for violating our, you know what I'm saying? So $400 for 34 months,

we're not doing that. You know what I'm saying? I ain't had no charges at the time. That's my shit. Let me get that. Boom, probation or whatever y'all want to do, however y'all want to handle it. No, that's not his. That's my So it was a no brain. If my sentencing guidelines was the same as it was years ago, I'd do it again for a friend before I see him go through 34 months for some money that I know this ain't our money. So whoever at the dice game uptown, they just put funny money in the dice game.

You know what I'm saying? So it is what it is. If you want to win at dice, that's a pretty good strategy. Yeah. Have like half your money be fake. Right, right, right. And then we bet in like, let's say we bet in 500. We're shooting 500, bet 500.

So it's a $1,000 a pot each round. So if a nigga count out 650s and just drop it and then put like 220s and boom, that's the pot. All right, bet. Ain't nobody going through and spreading the money out like, whole, nah, we gambling. All right, bet, it's down. What you bet? All right, bet. It's a bet, bet.

All right, we're shooting. So nobody took the time there. But so just being in possession account for the money is that big a deal? Because I remember going to the corner store and giving them like a $10. bill and them telling me it was fake and looking at it and being like oh they're just fake and just being like wow I'm glad that you're not calling the cops on me or some shit right right right um because the federal government makes money to impersonate it is a federal charge right so excuse me I believe I guess it's a big deal I would just think they would unless they could

prove that you were somehow involved in manufacturing it that you just having a small amount of it is just got to be like incidental right right right exactly so it wasn't even no big deal it was like I didn't do no time for it. I believe we paid a fine. Whatever, you know what I'm saying? But I didn't go away for that. That was just something that happened. And I remember the internet, because the internet is the internet,

they made it a big deal like, yo, Fat Trail got called but counterfeit money. Like you were a straight counterfeiter. Right, right, right. And then, you know, to me, I'm a street nigger. So I don't, when I was that age, I didn't feel like, man, look, I need an interview. I got to clear this up.

People think I'm broke. I don't care nothing about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, because if you see where I come from and how much money and access I got the day, I don't care if you think I'm broke. It's still people to this day who I tell, I'm broke. You know what I'm saying? I just told somebody that this morning.

I need some money for me. I'm broke. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't let this shit fool you. I'm broke as far as your concerns. Yeah. Because this money ain't going into your account. Yeah, I never felt obligated to explain nothing.

I believe you, like, the second person I explained that too because they asked me during the interview. And I'm a very open, honest person. Like, I don't have no problem with my nigga off parole. That was years ago. You know what I'm saying? My nigga off parole. So we good.

Like if the world think, whatever the world going to think, they're going to think that because, you know, I got money, but I ain't got a jet. So it's still people who consider me broke. You know what I'm saying? Like if I get a jet, Jeff Bezos can say he's broke. I don't get a fuck. I mean, jets he got. He broke because he's a fucking billion. The more money you get, the more that having an, that there's almost no money that seems like you'd be safe.

Because once you see somebody get sued where they have to spend millions and millions of dollars just to beat the lawsuit, then you're like, well, I guess having like, you know, five or three. 10 million dollars really ain't going to protect me from or when you start breaking it down like oh maybe i spend a quarter million dollars a year so all of a sudden a million dollars if you won the fucking lottery is not that big a deal it's not gonna protect you exactly i love peasy but ain't no falling off i don't put two million up like no i put two million up and i could still fall off easy yeah i mean i just think about that every time he says that i just heard that song too shout out to pizzie man yeah i just heard that shit that's a street mentality for sure it's hard to it's hard to It's hard to fall off with two million from a street mentality, for sure.

If you're in the trenches, I'm telling you. Two million sounds like a billion. If you were in the trenches, two million in cash, it's $20 million. Let's be clear. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I believe he from Detroit. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, they're in the trenches.

For sure. So, yeah, man. I felt that line when he said that. Me too. So what was that situation that led to you getting locked up for the long stretch, though? Because that must have been pretty fucking traumatizing. It was a felon and possessing. of a firearm.

Okay. Yeah, it was felon in possession of a firearm. And you were already a felon for what? I was already a felon because I had a gun charge in the state of Maryland, the PG County, Maryland. I didn't have to get, I believe it was my first gun charge, so they gave me 18 months unsupervised probation because, you know, it's legal to curry in Maryland, but if the firearm you are carrying is reported stolen, then it's illegal. You know what I'm saying?

And so I had a stolen firearm on me, but I wasn't licensed to carry it, though. So I got charged with that. But they gave me 18 months unsupervised probation. Then I caught another gun charge in D.C. And, you know, that's when I did 10 months for it. And then I got out, man, and you ain't going to believe it. I caught another one. Right.

Yeah. And I'm sure the number one comment you see. Hold on, not to cut you off. I just had a dream last night that I caught another one. Really? And I woke up, I was scared to death. And I was like, oh, God. Thank God that was a dream.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have like the thing run through my head of just like an image of somebody just blowing me down all the time. And then I'm like, why the fuck do you keep thinking about that? Right. Yeah, yeah. That's unfortunate, man.

I pray that you get through that. So you know how to see that when you sleep. Yeah, because I had those dreams too all the time. Yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunate. But I mean, okay, the number one comment you probably read is just people being like, why are you still in your hometown? You need to get the fuck out of there, etc.

Like, what's your mental process when you read people? saying that? I definitely understand. I agree. You know, when I get off this probation and parole shit, I'm definitely leaving. And, you know, I talk to my probation officer.

This time around, thank God I have good probation officers, both in Maryland and D.C. And I talk to them about it all the time, and they agree, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, they have supervisors as well. You know, but it's definitely in the works. I will be moving out of D.C. soon, man,

because it's getting crazy. And, like, their hatred. Like, you know, I never understood how select niggas could wait. Like, man, I'm waiting on this nigger to come home. I got to start something with this nigger. This nigger is going to be my ticket for me to elevate the, you know what I'm saying, knowing what me and my niggas is into. And I feel like if you're from Washington, D.C.,

and you know what me and my niggas is into and you start something with us, I feel like you want us to do time because you know what we about. You're talking about vloggers? No, I'm not talking about nobody specifically. I'm talking about, I'm not talking about nobody specifically. I'm talking about any nigger who jump in my lane when I come home for no reason, whether you make up this shit or whether your bitch getting fucked or whatever. You know, I ain't fucking nobody, bitches.

You know, I'm engaged to be married. We're getting married soon. I ain't fucking none of these niggas bitches or none of that. If you jump in my lane, knowing that I just came home, did my time like a man, everything on my track record is straight. If you purposely jumping my lane, I feel like you want me to go back to prison. Right.

Because we zero tolerance. There's no nonsense. You know what I'm saying? So we're going to deal with you accordingly. And you know what deal with you mean. And you know what comes with that. There's lawyer fees. We might beat it.

We might not. So if you're trying to put me in that position, I got to stay out your way, man. So right now I'm just focusing on staying out everybody away because I feel like niggas really rather see me in prison. Yeah, because there's like two things that are kind of becoming more common, which is actual snitching. and basically like dry snitching as a form of content creation.

Both of these are happening like side by side. It's like a weird new world to live in and you missed a big chunk of it realistically. Thank God. But I am seeing it now. I am currently seeing people dry snitching in a form of, hey, I'm just doing my job. This is how I get paid. It's not your job to incriminate somebody, man. You know police officers, regular police officers, everyday people, prosecutors, judges.

Everybody has Instagram and Facebook, all these different social sites. Everybody can see this shit. Then you got jumpouts, like in my city, we got jumpouts. Niggas who know us by, and they know us since we was kids. Yeah, if I see phones, let's search him. He's going to have a bag of money. He's going to have this. He's going to have that.

And he got to protect itself. If I see him, get him. You know what I'm saying? So when you purposely trying to start something with this person, knowing what we got going on every day-to-day basis, it's hard enough ducking the feds just living. So if you're telling the world that, oh, yeah, man, when I see, bro, I'm going to do this to him and do that to him.

No, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't have never put that on the Internet, bro. I just came from over to jail and out the fairs with niggas. Man, when you beef, it's a secret. Men, you beefing? Nobody got to know me. you beefing. You're trying to kill me when you see me. I'm trying to kill you when I see you. The world don't need to know that. That's evidence.

If you really intended on taking some of his life, the last thing you'd want to do is document yourself saying that you'd like to do this. You know what I'm saying? That's why I don't take none of that shit serious because I know what real men are. And a lot of things that I'm saying, it's not what real men do. You know what I'm saying? So if it don't apply, I let it fly, man. I've been letting a lot of shit go lately because I know what I'm on. And when I go to prison, I see who I really hurt. Outside of me, I live like a Kingpin. I eat steak, papyrs, I got cell phones. We having sex. We're doing whatever the fuck we want in prison. But my kids and my family is really hurting because I'm spending my savings now because outside of streaming and YouTube and, you know, somebody might pay me to post on my page or some shit like that. Outside of that, ain't no money coming in. I'm spending all my savings. Commissory, phone money. I got to pay this officer, debt officer. It's too much. You know what I'm saying? So I see who I'm hurting. when I leave. So therefore, we're doing everything in my power not to leave. You know what I'm saying? And you come out of prison

with this grown man, mind state of just wanting to be around your kids and take care of your family and just work and take advantage of the fact that you still can make money off your art and everything. And then you get out and you're dealing with just like bum-ass, rodent style human beings who just want to fucking yap back and forth. Because literally, like, their best chance of making money that day is just talking shit on YouTube so that they can make like $50 and try to like literally like get money to eat for the day.

And you see people who it's pretty obvious when you look at their YouTube channel is like, oh, you're like literally just starving. And this is your only way to take care of yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's not, I will say it's hard. If I was young, it might have been hard not to, you know, react to everything I see on the internet or something.

But now I'm at the age where I'm fine. You know what I'm saying? Like when I was younger, I thought that because I sent my baby mother's money that I was being a father, you know what I'm saying? missing the graduations, taking them to Disney World, six flags, skiing, swimming. I missed all that because, hey, I'm working. What you need, I got you.

I thought that I was being a good father, but you got to be there, you know what I'm saying? And so being in prison and reading these books and shit, I found out that I wasn't a good father. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't want to be what my father was to me. You know what I'm saying? like I actually care about how my kids feel.

I ask them all the time, how do you feel? How do you feel about me going to prison? You know, my oldest daughter, she, in the 10th grade, she hears things on the internet, she reads shit, she sees all this shit. And I'm like, how do you feel about it? And she's like, stay home. That's all I asked, Dad.

Like, we know already. The whole world know. You know what I'm saying? A lot of niggas died. A lot of niggas demood. A lot of niggas is paralyzed. Just stay on, Dad. Like, don't do it.

Like, please. And when I had that conversation with her, I get it. You know what I'm saying? And I understand. So my son about to turn eight, he out here. My son in LA, he don't know about, you know, in and that and, you know, beefing and, you know, he's from L.A.

All he knows is Batman and Black Panther. Like, he on that shit hard. And so I'm learning him more. And it's like, you know, it's important that I be in his life because this is a friend. And then, you know, I just found out that I have a new baby too, which she three, about to turn four this year.

So just found out? Yeah, I just took the test. Holy shit. Man. Did you suspect it was yours before that? Yeah, I suspected it was mine. Okay. I suspected it was mine.

I just didn't have no proof of knowing, you know what I'm saying? And I still was doing for the child before I knew, but now that I know it's like, but these are more reasons as to why a nigga need to work and be on the street, you know what I'm saying? And so that's enough in my eyes to say, man, you know what, fuck that shit.

Especially if I know, me and you ain't got no real issues. I can't allow a nigger to create a problem out of thin air and say, yeah, now this is the reason why when I see you, we need to get it on. Bro, I'm not entertaining that, bro. Like, no, not at all, bro. And I look at that like you're trying to get me locked up. It all falls back to it.

Man, you want me to go back to prison, man. Is there part of you that feels like, you know, resentful because you might have lost some kind of momentum you had career-wise when you got locked up? Because the MMG thing was happening like right before you got locked up for the whole time period, right? Do you kind of look back on that and have regrets about the fact that you weren't able to fully capitalize on that opportunity? Absolutely.

Absolutely. Being in prison, watching the BETT Awards, reading the magazines, you know, kite magazines, X, X, XL, all that. Absolutely, because everybody's passing me by. You know what I'm saying? And I get a lot of love. I know the rappers love me. Shout out Fat Trail, real nigger, man.

When you touch, come see me. I already know that. But I'd rather be there. You know, I'm sitting in a sit. You know, some days it's very, very hard. Some days I'm having a lot of fun. You know what I'm saying? But most of all, I would rather be home.

Right. And, you know, some people say, oh, well, you know, that solidifies your career. Batman, ain't no paperwork on Fat Trail. You're a real nigger stand-up, man. Oh, that's cool. But I took a loss by going to prison. No way, no matter how you look at it. You know what I'm saying?

I been knew I was a man. I'd been knew I would never tell. I'd been knew I would face all my time as a, These are things I already knew. So I don't count that as a new accolade when I come home. A lot of people look at it like, yeah, it was stand-up, nigger, man, all this paperwork, all this shit coming out on these niggas. Man, Fetrell never folded.

I've been new that, you know what I'm saying? So that's an accolade in y'all eyes, but for me, that's just an everyday lifestyle for me. And the idea that rappers just necessarily are going to get hotter while they're locked up, like, yeah, that does happen sometimes, but I can think of tons of instances where rappers get locked up, and it's like the audience just forgets about them. Now, if you're at a certain level where you really have their hearts, you know, like Young Boy, if he got locked up tomorrow for five years, he's going to come out still with a very serious fan base.

But let's be real, a lot of those fucking fans he had are going to get older and kind of like move on, start listening to something else. There's going to be other artists who pop up who kind of got some of the same style and shit. No matter how popular you are, if you disappear for a long-ass time, I mean, it could be tough. Yeah, it could be tough, man. It could be tough. Shout out Grito, too.

I already about to come home. That's what they're saying. But, oh, man, it's kind of crazy because everybody on his team sort of stopped talking to, like, the media, myself included, and, like, stop filling them in on shit. And the rumor I heard is that he's, like, in a halfway house and, like, being super low-key because he doesn't want to, like, reveal himself until he's fully able to be out there, you know, which makes sense to me. You don't want your ops to know you living in a public place where- That's the first thing that came to mind for me, too, is I'm like, he don't want to air out where he had at all. Right, right, right, yeah, man. I pray for success, man. I hope you turn up.

Yeah, definitely. Hey, okay, so let me, I'm just thinking of this while we're doing this. I remember there being this weird, uh, arc in Fetrelle's career where you were like with Master P and no limit for a short period of time, right? How did that work? Yo, it's crazy because no blogger ever asks me about it. But like, you had a little group. What was it called?

Louis V. Yes. And who were the, there was another guy that I was this. Allie Boy. Yes, Ali Boy was in it too. There we go. Okay. Um, so.

Let me tell you how this came about. I had just got off my first tour, which was the Smokers Club tour with Juicy J, Pro Ever, Joy, Badass, and them Smoke Dizzy. Legendary. Legendary. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that tour, amazing, man.

Like, I still go watch the clips back on YouTube when I'm at home just drinking by myself. My wife might come down and say, like, you're watching this again, boo? Like, yeah, boo, you don't understand. This shit was legendary. But anyway, I had just got off that tour. And I was at my homie. Black House, he had a condo in Richmond because he was going to VCU or V, no, VCU.

And my manager called me, he was like, yo, hold on. I got Master P on 3 way. So I was like, all right. But I'm like, I look at Black, like, we was playing mad. And I looked, he was like, Master P, so he was Richmond and shit. So he connects the call. He's like, yo, I'm like, yeah. And then Master P started talking.

I'm like, this really, Master P. You know what I'm saying? So, boom, he's like, yo, I'm shooting the movie. I think he was trying to buy the rights to film Ministers Society too. And he was like, I want you to be in it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, all right, bet. So I'm like, I'm young as shit.

Like, acting? Like, you know what I'm saying? Whatever. Acting wasn't even on my radar. I'm still trying to come up as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, all right, bet. So he's like, yeah, man, you know who Ali Boy is?

I'm like, yeah, I heard that Audi boy, you from Atlanta. I don't know him personally. You never met him. But, yeah, I heard him. He was like, I bet. I want you and him to come to California and let's sit down and have some meetings about this movie. I'm like, okay, cool.

You know what I'm saying? So we fly to Cali. We get our shit together probably like two weeks later. We fly to Cali. And when we land, Master P had a video shoot. He's shooting a video at some mansion and shit. So, okay, cool. We sit down, we start chopping it up about the movie.

And he was like, this is what I want to do. This is the role I want you to play. The scripts are nothing that's not written up. Of course, you would have to be. put in acting school, you know, just to mold yourself kind of, you know, I know, I want you to act like yourself and who you are, but you're playing a role, so you still, it's still some things about the movie industry that you're going to need to learn. So I'm like, cool. I'm like, shit, there's music in my ears. In the back of my mind, he don't know how happy I am,

but I'm playing a cool, humble. Yeah, sure. Yeah, no problem. You know, but in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah. Man, this is a society too sounds pretty fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, cool. So he was like, look, I'm going to need you to move out here. So I'm like looking at my manager like what? He was like yeah just you know like a year or two. I'm like all right and you know I don't know I'm young man I'm like 22 23 at the time I don't know nothing about the cost of living all that grown-up shit ain't even in my mind I'm like all right so I'm like whatever so he was like look we're gonna be paying I'm gonna

give you X amount of dollars a month I'm like okay cool you know what I'm saying and um but when I moved it bro the movie We never got brought up. And so, you know, me and Ali Boy, we rap, master P is a rapper. So the natural place for us to always meet up at is at the studio. Outside of going out, they're eating, all that shit. We always met up at the studio, and we had talked and had conversation.

But Allie Boy at the time was signed to Atlantic. I specifically remember us sitting in the house and his videos that come on on MTV Jambs. Like, Allie Boy was lit at that time. I didn't have a deal. I'm independent. I don't have a deal. You know what I'm saying?

So Allie Boy was really cool with the situation, and I always thought like, I felt like we was recording too much music because I'm like, we're here for the movie, bro. You know what I'm saying? I've been living here for about seven months. I haven't started an acting class. We no longer spoke about the scripts.

The movie never ever came up. And, you know, we're doing video shoots and photo shoots, and we got shirts pressed up that say Louis V. Mob, and he called us the Louis V. Mob. And, you know, outside of the money that he was paying me monthly, I was receiving nothing for all the music I'm putting out. You know what I'm saying? And so me and my homie, Black, like, Black, my brother, man, I told you, like, he shot my first video.

He always played, like, a management slash, like, assistant-type role, but he's smart as fuck. You know, he in college. Like, he graduated, like, he's super smart as fuck. He know a lot of shit I don't know. And he always used to sit around. outside of us having fun and all that he was always sit around and was like, I just feel like something ain't right about this. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm a 90s baby. I grew up on Wayne, Gucci, and Ross. Those are the main three rappers I listen to over and over growing up as a kid. I'm not from the era where I was a fan of Master P. So it was always business with me. My manager was a, at that time, he was a super fan of Master P. A lot of things he's seen, he let Schlai. because he was a fan.

And I was like, you know, I respect him as a business man. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not a fan of his art. So I don't view him the same. I'm looking at him as a business. And technically we're not doing the business that we were supposed to be here for. And if this is like 2009, you're like 10 years removed from the height of Master P really having like a big presence and rap.

Let's be real. Exactly. Right. But he's still like, he's still the moment. Still legend. A legend. A legend. Yeah.

Businessman, clothes and company. He played in a couple NBA games. A lot of movies sold millions of records. I respect him for that. You know what I'm saying? I would have respected it if he said, hey, you know, I want to shoot a movie. And I want to, like, create a group with, like, me, you, and Ali Boy, I would have thought about it. Like, you know, that would have been a thought, but he never said that.

And so we're doing all these shows and shit, and he was doing shows that. I think he did like A3C in Austin, where he headlined it. And like, we performed a lot on that show. We didn't receive nothing. I ain't say nothing. In the back of my mind, I wanted to, but I ain't say nothing. And then the last straw was, like, Black had showed me that one of those albums was on iTunes. It was, you know, this is before Apple Music and Spotify and all that.

Like, the album was for sale on iTunes. And Ali Boy got a deal with something like, Ali, you know about this? He was like, no, I ain't know about it. But shit, fucking, we're on an album with my SP. And I'm not sorting Ali Boy down in no way, you know what I'm saying? I'm just saying that Ali Boy was getting money. He was booked heavily. Like I said, we used to sit down and he would pop up on the TV screen.

Like, he was lit at that time. I wasn't where I wanted to be in my career. And I felt like I was kind of sort of wasting time out here doing this. You know what I'm saying? And then when I seen he put the album up without paperwork or without me getting anything from it, I just felt like that was wrong. You know what I'm saying? And so that was around the time where my Brody had killed herself.

He killed himself all fucking with them shrooms. He died in New York. He was a friend of, I ain't going to say his name, but he was a friend of Joy Badass. Like with the pro-era crew. And he killed himself. And I remember saying, man, I'm going to go to his funeral. And I said, man, I ain't coming back to L.A. You know what I'm saying?

That's what I said to myself. and I said that the black man I can tell my manager I can't tell P, I ain't tell Ali Boy or none of that And I'm telling you I left TVs, PlayStation shoes, clothes I left a lot of shit out there And I went to the funeral in New York And I just said man you know what I ain't going back and I just didn't go back

And I just wet my heart wasn't there at that time And I was trying to do something else I believe Sosa had just got this deal with Interscope And I was looking for a deal You know or a large lump sum of money Where I could take care of my family And be put into a situation where I can work and show how great of an artist I can be.

And I felt like that situation wasn't providing me with that. And then when I left, I seen he had done an interview with like the breakfast club or something. I can't remember who it was. And it was him at Alderman. And they was like, yo, what Fetrelle? And he was like, Master P said something like, you know, Fetrelle, man, he didn't have any patience, you know. He didn't believe in what I had going on. And, you know, he was just trying to get a deal.

Like Fetreel just trying to sign a deal so he could get. some money and I looked at that like that was a form of disrespect you know what I'm saying and um I ain't called his phone or nothing I ain't had no conversation with him or nothing because I've been around P and I know what type of person he really is and you know if if I respected him as a man I would have felt some type of way about it but me knowing what type of person like being around him and knowing what type of nigga is I was just like I just let it slide like fuck that shit you know what I'm saying he ain't It ain't that serious.

Even though he lied, he lied to their faces. I'm saying? Because we were never, there was never supposed to be a Louis Vy mob. We was never supposed to record a single record together. That was not in the plans. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up because that was the time in your career where you had the most momentum and you, like, realistically, that opportunity cost of kind of going and doing this other weird thing

and sort of confusing your fans and not putting out your own content. I mean, that definitely probably wasn't great for your career at that time. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And I understood that. And, you know, I'm new in this, at this time, I'm new in this music game, but every day I'm learning more and more and I'm meeting people and I'm shaking people's hands.

And I'm finding out that, you know, he was telling labels that, nah, he's a no limit. He's a no limit artist. That wasn't true. Never signed a single document with Master P. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, once I left and people knew that I wasn't fucking with him no more, that's when all the labels were coming like, yeah.

So how did you get out of it, man? you know, he's usually difficult with his artists. And I'm like, I was never a no-limit artist. We never did paperwork. And they was like, really? Even, you know, if you remember, I just got signed in Maybach after that. And Ross was like, man, that nigga told me he was his artist. I'm like, no, I don't have no legal contract paperwork, man.

I never did any. Because there is a thing in the music industry where as soon as you find out, like everybody will be swarming around an artist. And then they find out he signed and they're all like, all right, they just give up. Like, you just hear that he signed to somebody and they just give up. All right, fine, fine. You got them. Cool. Yeah, so that was a weird time for me, man.

But, you know, it is what it is. It's crazy because it makes me think about his son kind of going at it with him in the media and everything. And his son kind of saying, like, this is bullshit. Like, a lot of this stuff that y'all believe about him is kind of a mirage. Yeah. Which has been kind of wild.

And so when I read that, of course, I would never, I'm the type of nigger, you know, I know what I know. I know about a lot of these niggas and women. So when I read it, when it came across my screen I probably was having a drink I might have been taking the shit whatever I was doing

when it came across my screen I stopped and I looked at it I said man trust me I know and that was it I ain't had nothing to comment on it I was just like yeah I know I know

I know you know what I'm saying it but it's gonna take for somebody that close to let the world know something like that because a lot of people look at him in a certain type of way and it's just like you know damn that's crazy That's a wild thing to have lived through.

Do you look back on that with regret or is the learning experience? You know, I don't regret a lot of shit, bro. Like, you know, unless it's real serious, like I regret leaving my family and going to prison. I regret not being there for my brother when he was killed, you know, due to the prison system. Those are things I regret. I don't really regret it. I met a lot of great people during that time. You know, I was young and living in L.A.

I met my son's mom. So I can't regret that. You know what I'm saying? And it was a good living experience. I met a lot. I mean, I learned a lot by being with Aliboy, and then Aliboy would take me to Atlanta. And then that's when I met trouble.

And I met all the bloods in Atlanta. So, you know, it helped me build a relationship with Allie Boy outside of P. And, you know, then me and trouble got close. So a lot of great things happened during that time. It's just like people don't know that whatever the fuck P was on or what he had going on or what he was trying to do, it was just like trying to do it under the table.

Like, I'm bringing y'all out here on where the thought that y'all going to do this, but this is what I'm really trying to do. Yeah. And I was just too young to see it. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. So now that you're out and, like, back to making music and everything, because you haven't put out a full official project since 2018, right?

Right, yeah. So where's your mentality at in terms of, like, just what you feel like you need to do to get back in the full position or, like, you know, to take on a new life career-wise? I feel like, you know, just bringing the fire, man, just dropping the music for the streets and for the bad bitches all around the world. Like, that's who I do it for. Real niggas, bad bitches, you know what I'm saying? And that's my bread and butter, and that's what I will continue to do.

So I did a, I signed a deal with asylum, you know what I'm saying? And we're working on the project now. I'm out here with Dallas now, working on the project. And got a lot of great music and things that's coming into the fold. I came home in November. and all the laborers was closed for the last quarter holidays and shit like that so now that things is back opening up we're out here working i got a meeting with the label tomorrow and we're just about to go over the whole market strategy of the whole 2023 of what we're about to do and um i feel better as an artist and um i feel like i'm ready to be prepared to have a real official run i feel like my career always been all over the place like even when i was signing mayback we was having so much fun that it was like oh we drop when we want man we shoot videos when we want and we want you and we show videos when we want you and we're like we're Man, yeah, we do that when we want. That Mayback era is actually kind of crazy to think back on.

Like, that was a lot of really dope established artists under one roof, and they were really feeding off each other. I remember how locked in I was on those fucking mixtapes back then. Like, it was crazy. It was a dope situation, man. It really was. And I appreciate Ross to this day. That's my nigga, man.

It's the big homie. He gave me my first bag. So I appreciate him to this day. And he still, like, I still got to this day. I still got keys to one of his crib. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, whenever you want to, just let me know. You know what I'm saying?

If you're going to go down, let me know so I can get it prepared. But whatever you want to do, that's my nigger, you know what I'm saying? And so that was a great error. I was just with Wild A last night. We was just going over everything. Really? And he was like, man, I'm glad you, my friend. I was like, bro, I thank God for the day that I met you because watching you do everything

that he did in his career, like all his accomplishments. I knew that the sky's the limit for me just watching everything that Wale did, like, all his success. I knew I could do it because if he could do it, I could do it. Like, we're from the same area. Like, fuck that. If he could do it, I know I can do it. You know what I'm saying? Wale is, like, every time I hear a random Wale verse on a song, I just get this, like,

hardcore reminder of how good at rapping he is and how underrated he is to an extent, because I don't feel like he ever really, like, had, like, the conversation be so direct. about just how good he is. He has like a real master, mastery of a beat. He can really do whatever the fuck he wants with a beat in a way that's pretty fucking impressive. The way, like his creation process as far as music is ridiculous.

And it's so, I always tell him, you're making it harder than it has to be. He was like, but this is how it has to be. You know what I'm saying? No shortcuts when it comes to creating. And when I look at him record, it's like I know what being an artist. this is all about, even though I record in my own type of way.

Some nights I go into the studio, I knock out five, six songs. Some nights I knock out two, three. You know what I'm saying? And Waile might spend a whole session on one record. You know what I'm saying? Hours. And then he loves to call a producer back and say, look, I need you to change this in the beat.

That's his favorite thing. You know what I'm saying? He's just a mastery with that shit. And I do feel like he never got the flowers that he deserved, but he brought up a good point to me last night. name a year I didn't have a number one hit song, bro. Name a year. Like, I just need you to give me a year

where I didn't come out with a number one hit song, bro. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he's doing all these songs with R&B singers and shit that I don't necessarily hear. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm sure he has more hits than I know of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, them R&B hits, like one thing about men,

like I told you earlier, we really follow what women like, bro. And women really, like, say, oh, this is the record you need to be listening. Because while she's cooking and why she's in the shower, if she's playing that, it will be stuck in your head. No matter if you was laying in the bed on your phone or if you was playing the game, that shit will be stuck in your head. And then when they come on in the club and you see all the bitches go crazy and pull their phones out and record their self and hugged their girlfriends listening to the record, that's when you know what's the record. You know what I'm saying?

And so he always had them ladies. He always had the women on padlock because he knew how to speak to their soul, man. And that's something that you're weirdly good at. You can make songs that kind of sound like street records, but then you're also talking about love and sex and shit on the same thing, and you kind of like can be talking about sex but make it sound hard. It's like a pretty unique skill.

Yeah, man. You know, I'm a realist, man. I'm not an idealist, so I look at it like I know where I'm from and I know that every real nigga, every nigga want to fuck bitches all around the world and say, yeah, man, I got bitches, man, everywhere, da-da-da. But every nigga want one woman. that they can love and trust and they don't never have to question what are they here for

everybody wants that no matter i mean there's some niggas who like man i never love a bitch i'll never getting married okay cool but in the back of their mind there's some nights they'd be lonely you know what i'm saying but it is what it is we ain't gonna speak when i hear somebody say that i'm like okay you're a serial killer yeah you're off a little bit yeah but like i got to speak to the women because i was raised by a woman and um you know i remember them nights where my mama have her girlfriends over and they'll be all in the living room drinking and smoking and shit and i just listen to what they talk about and they always talk it always came back down to love you know what i'm saying and love is a powerful thing love is powerful to any drug and um you know i'm a cancer i love the idea of love i like being in love you know i

tell all my niggas man i love you man be safe you know what i'm saying so i got to speak to the women man because they run the world. You know what I'm saying? And sex is a major part of life. That's how you create life. It's by having sex. So everybody want to talk about sex or women love to hear about sex

and women want sex more than men. Some women just know how to disguise it real good. So as far as like talking about sex and songs, I feel like it's very necessary because that's what life is about. I don't think it music sounds that much alike, but you and Kevin Gates sort of remind me of each other to a weird extent. A lot of people

say that. You both have that same, like, making hard songs about sex. So, like, talking about women in this really in-depth way that's, like, more interesting than the average rapper. Yeah, yeah. And you were early pioneers in the ass-eating movement. Look, look, Erie, what you just said, right, other people would just say, you guys are nasty. You know what I? Yeah, yeah. Like, but people always said that, but, you know, I love the woman's body, man. I love everything about the woman's body, and, you know, I mean, when was it not cool to eat pussy. Like, when was it cool not to eat a woman's ass? I don't know

because I hear a lot of people say, man, you know, I'm too rich to do that on a nigga. I'm getting money. I don't eat pussy. I just don't know what's not cool about eating pussy. It's all these 15-year-old drill rappers making songs talking about, I don't want top, I want the neck bitch. It's just like, that to me is such a childish attitude. The older you get, the more you want to really relish the pussy and really get in there,

spend a good hour kicking it with her and not just be getting in and doing five minutes. You To me, that's like a waste of, you know, the Indians use the whole buffalo. Yeah. Every part of the buffalo. Okay, I don't know that. You want to get in there, you know? And that's why you got to lick the feet.

Yeah, yeah. I'm a feet, man. Like, I love feet. I love feet. Like, when you fuck it from the front, you got to suck the toes at the same time while you fucking do that and watch what she do. A lot of women still, it's women to this day in their 30s and 40s who still haven't gotten penetrated and had their toes sucked at the same time. You know what I'm saying? So when I was talking about doing that niggas,

was looking at me like I was crazy until they did it. Then that's when I got them calls and them texts off the late night. Hey, bro, I did it. What you do? You know, I teach niggas a lot. What you do? Man, I suck their toes where I was hitting in front of front. What she do?

Boy, she went crazy, boy. This bitch then popped up at work and thought, like, that's what, you know what I'm saying? So shout out the gates. That's my nigga. I love Gates. That's my brother. Michelle. People say that we're nasty, but I feel like we just say what people are afraid to say.

There's a lot of niggies out of eating pussy and ass, but they just afraid to admit it because they think it's not good. Okay, so last question. When I was listening to Fat Trail on the random hits on fucking while I was working out this morning, I just heard the One800 Caltrell song. And, you know, that song, I just want to know what was going through your mind when you wrote that song because it really sounds like you have like a sort of revenge fantasy playing out in your head during that. First of all, shout out the logic, man.

That's my nigga. When I heard that song, I just thought it was a dope song. and I understood his message of what he was trying to say. I respect it. You know, I respect the message. And, but at the same time, I'm from a place where everything that we hear in the trenches, they look at me and be like, you'll kill that shit. You know what I'm saying?

So when the song first came out, one of my friends was like, bro, it'll be dope if you did a song like this. But, like, in your type of way, like, you know, say the things that you want to say like this. Like, I don't feel like you projected your voice to do this. So I was like, it came more of about, like, as a challenge. You know what I'm saying? And then in the beginning it always start off like a challenge, but then after four to six bars, it's like, oh, I'm about, I'm about to kill this shit. Watch what I do.

You know what I'm saying? And so as far as the lyrics, you gotta be my childhood friend or really in my circle to understand about a lot that I'm speaking about in the verse. But I don't think it was like no fantasy revenge type thing. was just like basically speaking on my everyday life. And, you know, what I'm going through, if you're from the district of Columbia, you know, I feel like my city grew up with me my whole career. And if you know, you know, people say all the time, if you know, you know, and that's real shit. Like, when they hear my songs and what I'm rapping about, if you know, you know, I ain't

doing no cap'n, you know what I'm saying? So I like to say that my verses, man, if you listen to me, you're listening to the truth. You know what I'm saying? That's why I respect Dirk so much. That's my nigga. Like, I love him to death. When you listen to dirt, you listen it to the truth. Right.

You know, it's all about how you want to take it and what you perceive whether, but when you listening to me, these is facts. Right. Definitely. Much respect, man. Thank you, bro. And thank you for the interview. It was amazing.

I've been looking forward to doing this for years. You, bro, and I've been watching you for some years now, and I always wanted to do this. So, like, this is like a big moment for me, too. I really, really appreciate you for having me. Seeing you be genuinely surprised at how much of a fan I am was very, was very, uh, enlightening to me. Yeah, the tweets was like, you know, to be honest, right, when you was like, yo, I'm gonna go over some of my tweets that, um, you thought was gonna be talking shit. Yeah, I thought I was going to be like, hey, you know, why the fuck the people? You know,

it's a lot of rude people on the internet, which rightfully so, they hide behind pages or whatever. Especially when you're just a fan and you have no real reason not to just say whatever you fucking think about artists and shit, you know? So I was like, in my mind, I'm thinking, well, who knows what he said on Twitter? But at the same time, I was saying, you know what, but I respect him for one to go over the things that he said on Twitter. And they were, When you said him, I was like, oh, if I had dissed you, I would totally read that too, because that shit would be funny as fuck. Because there's been artists before where I fucking went and looked, and I had like a tweet

hating on them in 2011, and then by like 2013, I'm a big fan. And I look at it and I search the name and I'm like, holy fuck. Like I grew to love them. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah, yep, no, that's dope though, bro. But like I said, this is a blessing, bro. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate you too, man.

And for sure everybody should go turn you up on streaming services, go check out the catalog. And when do you think that the full-length project's going to drop? That's a great question. Like I said, the meeting is tomorrow. I'm ready, man. I believe I recorded about 60 to 70 songs for us to go through and really, like, pick out how many hard records, how many girl records, how many pain songs, and, you know, make it a full project.

I wish I had a great answer for you, but the meeting is tomorrow. But as soon as I know, the streets will know. And really, man, I'm trying to drop ASAP. I'm really letting the label know, like, man, I just want to get back into that mode. You know, I want to hit the road. I want to do these interviews, radio stations. I need to get back and doing these concert shows, walkthroughs at the clubs. Like, I'm ready to get back in that mode, and I know it starts with the music first.

So I'm all here and working my ass all to get everything done. Definitely, man. Yeah, I feel like you definitely, you got another run in you, no doubt. Absolutely. Absolutely. I believe I can do it, man. And I know the streets is waiting and, you know, all the fan mail I got. And, you know, to be honest, I read everything.

You know, the comments. DMs, Twitter, even though some people say some crazy shit. I read everything and I actually care. And I always text my manager like, yo, the fan said, what's up with this record? Hey, the fan said, da-da-da-da, we need to put this back on Apple. Like, I think about that. Like, when you was like, yo, I don't think Russian Roulette is on streaming service, I need to get on top of that ASAP.

I need to figure out, I need to get on the phone with Sox and his people's and figure out what we need to do to put that out. Fuck the feds, all that old shit, me and did. The money you would have made from Russian Roulette alone would probably be pretty significant just because it's like it's been out for, like, 10 years. Yeah. So it's like if it had been sitting

on streaming services that whole time, that would probably be quite a bit of money. Absolutely. I agree. I agree. And now shit, I need to have a conversation

with Blueface, man, because he just posted up his earnings from Onlyfans. I've seen that. And he made a pretty penny. Yeah, you should see mine. $760. She's mine.

I was happy for him, but I'm like, damn, that's how much money you can make all bitches beating each other up. You should see how much you can make when you stick in their mouth. But, hey, You want to tap in with Blueface?

Let me know. I'll line you up with him. You go, yeah, do that. I want to tap it. Look, if it's making money, I'm trying to make some money, baby. Oh, yeah. He's a legend. Yeah, when I seen that shit, I'm like, wow.

Like, what the fuck? Yeah, it is weird. You got an OnlyFans for real? Well, me and my girl do a podcast called Plug Talk where we interview girls and then we fuck them afterwards. What? Yeah. On Only fans.

Hey, Paul. I thought he was lying. A new girl every week for the past, like, year and a half, some shit like that, yeah. What the fuck? Man, I need to have a conversation with my wife, man. Damn. It's not for everybody.

I know, I know. Maybe you can get her motivated. Who knows? That's dope, bro. I love it, bro. I love it. I'm going to look into that, man. Let me know what I got to support you too, bro.

It's all. Onlyplug talk.com. I'll send you a free trial, though, for sure. I bet. Say no more. No doubt. My nigga Adam, man. No question.

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